thanks for the info. considering how much of a music scene Omaha has, it would been great for Omaha to have gotten that


but lets remember, for some reason Omaha is a lot slower

than other cities that are smaller than Omaha

when it comes to getting tv channels

There are allot of reasons. I used to work for Cox as a Network Maintenance Tech.

Omaha is used allot as a test market. But they are slow about getting things. The cell phone thing was talked about way back in 2003 when I worked there.
I do have to say out of all Cox's systems, Cox Omaha has the highest network reliability as compared to say Orange County where the weather is allot more consistent.
I will say it is unbelievable what the networks want to pass onto the cable company as far as costs and especially during contract renewals. Only so much can be passed onto the customers but there is a fine line between offering the latest and greatest and what the customer will pay.

Cox launched new Subscription On Demand monthly service called Disney Family Movies on On Demand

Does anyone know what the chances of 42.2 ever being broadcast in Digital are? Watching Smackdown on a grainy screen sucks.

It's digital, but digital standard definition. Chances of it going HD are next to none as that would take bandwidth away from Fox 42.1, thus reducing the picture quality on Fox.

Does anyone know what the chances of 42.2 ever being broadcast in Digital are? Watching Smackdown on a grainy screen sucks.


i already asked and Joel said the same thing.

:-)

edit: The only possibility is if KKAZ-LD 23 (currently analog 24) ends up being the opposite of 42, rather than returning to being a direct repeater like it once was. If KKAZ-LD is programmed independently and doesn't just rebroadcast 42 after KKAZ-LD goes digital, then 23.1 could carry MNTV HD and 23.2 could be Fox SD.

But while that would be nice, my guess is 23.1/23.2 will just mirror 42.1 and 42.2, with Fox HD and MNTV SD. That is assuming, of course, KKAZ doesn't just get shut off and that everything stays the same with the Pappas bankruptcy and probable new owner of KPTM etc.

Thanks Joel and Andrew. It really sucks that we can't get that in HD. Smackdown has helped that channel's overall ratings, while CW's have plummeted. CW should have never gotten rid of Smackdown.

:-)

edit: The only possibility is if KKAZ-LD 23 (currently analog 24) ends up being the opposite of 42, rather than returning to being a direct repeater like it once was. If KKAZ-LD is programmed independently and doesn't just rebroadcast 42 after KKAZ-LD goes digital, then 23.1 could carry MNTV HD and 23.2 could be Fox SD.

But while that would be nice, my guess is 23.1/23.2 will just mirror 42.1 and 42.2, with Fox HD and MNTV SD. That is assuming, of course, KKAZ doesn't just get shut off and that everything stays the same with the Pappas bankruptcy and probable new owner of KPTM etc.

Are you saying 23.1 and 23.2 are going to be channels soon? I'm kinda lost.

Are you saying 23.1 and 23.2 are going to be channels soon? I'm kinda lost.

KKAZ-LP, analog 24, has a CP to move to digital 23. Analog 24 carries MNTV, same feed as 42.2. Prior to MNTV signing on, 24 was a repeater for KPTM.

It's speculation at this point but assuming Pappas (or the next owner of KPTM/KXVO/KKAZ) does turn on KKAZ-LD digital rather than let the CP expire, then the question is will it be a repeater of KPTM digital channels 42.1 and 42.2, or might it have its own programming such as MNTV HD?

Thanks Joel and Andrew. It really sucks that we can't get that in HD. Smackdown has helped that channel's overall ratings, while CW's have plummeted. CW should have never gotten rid of Smackdown.

At least CW has an HD channel. I wonder how many My Network have HD channels?

because it's brought to you by cox and WOWT. I don't think WOWT would use bandwidth for just a local news channel. Look at what what happend to 6.2.

how would news on one be on 6.3

be any different than KETV weather now on 7.2

At least CW has an HD channel. I wonder how many My Network have HD channels?

dont know


but


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_MyNetworkTV_affiliates


has a list of My Network TV stations

Here is my Hd channel wish list for Cox:
EspnU-hd
EspnNews-hd
Cbsportstv-hd
WeatherChannel-hd
Tennis-hd
Speedchannel-hd
MLB network-hd
NBA Tv-hd
NHL network-hd
FX-hd
Fox news-hd
Fox business-hd
Big 10 network-hd
Hdnet
Hdnet movies

Here is my Hd channel wish list for Cox:
EspnU-hd
EspnNews-hd
Cbsportstv-hd
WeatherChannel-hd
Tennis-hd
Speedchannel-hd
MLB network-hd
NBA Tv-hd
NHL network-hd
FX-hd
Fox news-hd
Fox business-hd
Big 10 network-hd
Hdnet
Hdnet movies

HDnet will not be on Omaha anytime soon since Omaha wants free hd.

how would news on one be on 6.3

be any different than KETV weather now on 7.2

What do you mean? KETV only has on sub channel 7.2 while WOWT wowt would have if News On One was OTA have two 6.2 and 6.3 less bandwidth for HD.

Reply from cox on new channels

Here is a list of our most current channel changed including Comedy HD:
January 28th
News On One will move from channel 1 to channel 4. We will continue to partner with WOWT for programming.

Style will be added on channel 252, part of the Variety Tier. For more information on Style please click here or visit http://www.mystyle.com/mystyle/

Comedy Central HD will be added on channel 858. Customers must subscribe to ebasic, CDC and HD service to receive this channel.

February 4th
Channel 1 will become a launch channel for On Demand. All other On Demand channel will remain available for customers to access OD (ch. 998, 299, etc.)

"News on One" is a more attractive name than "News on Four" if you ask me (not like it's the only factor in the decision). Try saying "Channel Six News at Four on News on Four" four times fast. :cool:

I thought ALL local channels on Cox were to NOT be encrypted (as in they are free over the air).

I can seem to find any of the sub channels on clear QAM? Like 6.2 and the 7.2 weather now channel.

Also I notice News on one is not in the clear on its digital simulcast in clear QAM. I would think they would want that open so they can make money from those that just subscribe to high speed internet and have Clear QAM receivers in there TVs.


=====More in the new 6.2======

Anyone ever watch this? Seems like re runs of old sports- old olympics . Nothing current. I really think they can do better. Seems like a waist of bandwidth.

I thought ALL local channels on Cox were to NOT be encrypted (as in they are free over the air).

I can seem to find any of the sub channels on clear QAM? Like 6.2 and the 7.2 weather now channel.

Also I notice News on one is not in the clear on its digital simulcast in clear QAM. I would think they would want that open so they can make money from those that just subscribe to high speed internet and have Clear QAM receivers in there TVs.


=====More in the new 6.2======

Anyone ever watch this? Seems like re runs of old sports- old olympics . Nothing current. I really think they can do better. Seems like a waist of bandwidth.

scott what channels are you checking for the subchannels on qam? 6.2 is Universal sports atleast they replay wowt sports shows.

"News on One" is a more attractive name than "News on Four" if you ask me (not like it's the only factor in the decision). Try saying "Channel Six News at Four on News on Four" four times fast. :cool:

It looks like cox is switching all areas to have a ondemand channel on channel 1.:(

It looks like cox is switching all areas to have a ondemand channel on channel 1.:(

I'm wondering why Cox is moving ondemand? I just hope they add more hd soon,20 to 30 hd channels Cox Omaha really is behind in hd offerings, I wish Omaha had Verizon Fios.

Cox Omaha really is behind in hd offerings.
Compared to satellite or FiOS, yes... but check out the HD offerings of, say, Time Warner Cable - Lincoln or Charter Communications - Springfield and you'll see we actually have it pretty good in Omaha.

My new TV scans all QAM channels, if it is open in the clear and not encrypted it then checks to see if there is a show on it. If not it removes it from my list.

I cant find any of the free over the air sub channels in the clear on Cox. Like 6.1 and 7.2 (which I think maps to 123 on Cox?). I get all the main channels like 3,6,7,15, 42 dash 1

I thought Cox was NOT to every encrypt the local channels that are free over the air so you dont need to rent a cable box?


I rather see NEWS on THREE not NEWS on FOUR (it on channel 3 not 4) :)

billie, try this on for size:

dont know, but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_MyNetworkTV_affiliates has a list of My Network TV stations

Still gets your point across effectively, but only 1 line (if your browser window is wide enough). Compact=good, because we don't have to scroll as much... now on to my point building on yours...

KSMO in Kansas City is a stand-alone digital channel (not a subchannel) for MyNetwork TV. If anyone could show MNTV programming in HD, they could, but they don't. They do, however, show KCTV's (sister station) news in the mornings and evenings in HD. I don't know if the problem is in getting the HD feed from MyNetwork, or what.

My new TV scans all QAM channels, if it is open in the clear and not encrypted it then checks to see if there is a show on it. If not it removes it from my list.

I cant find any of the free over the air sub channels in the clear on Cox. Like 6.1 and 7.2 (which I think maps to 123 on Cox?). I get all the main channels like 3,6,7,15, 42 dash 1

I thought Cox was NOT to every encrypt the local channels that are free over the air so you dont need to rent a cable box?


I rather see NEWS on THREE not NEWS on FOUR (it on channel 3 not 4) :)


Scott then they would confuse KMTV with WOWT. Call and see what qam the sub channels are on.

Just got off the phone with Customer Service - Cox to add MLBTV on Channel 227 starting on 12/30 in Omaha

Just got off the phone with Customer Service - Cox to add MLBTV on Channel 227 starting on 12/30 in Omaha

I beat you to it
11-29-08, 11:22 AM
Omaha / Lincoln, NE - HDTV
Posted By ajwees41
Cox Add's 3 SD along with AMCHD on December 30th ...

Cox Add's 3 SD along with AMCHD on December 30th

200 Fox Business Channel
227 MLB Network
253 WE
758 AMCHD

Great! AMC was about the only other thing I watch that wasn't already on HD.

Great! AMC was about the only other thing I watch that wasn't already on HD.

It was supposed to launch in October, but they didn't have a contract. Comedy central HD is comming on January 28th.:)

Here is a FCC report showing we will be GAINING signal coverage of the Lincoln stations here in parts of OMaha

THere are two maps for the Lincoln DMA use the first one.

Also there are maps for the Omaha and other DMAs.

Good info.

http://www.fcc.gov/dtv/markets/

Here is a FCC report showing we will be GAINING signal coverage of the Lincoln stations here in parts of OMaha

THere are two maps for the Lincoln DMA use the first one.

Also there are maps for the Omaha and other DMAs.

Good info.

http://www.fcc.gov/dtv/markets/

I hope we get the 2 lincoln station KLKN AND KOLN here in Omaha

it makes sense, since Lincoln gets Omaha's abc and cbs stations,

it is only fair and we get cbs and abc stations from lincoln


say, isnt KLKN and KOLN and the pbs station the only stations in Lincoln.


I know of Retro tv and My network tv being on sub-channels and

my digital tuner sometimes gets them.



are they the only ones cause someone told me that Lincoln has their own Fox and CW stations.




also News on One I just heard is moving to Channel 4 on Cox Cable


still no word if Cox cable of Omaha will ever do anything

with Channel 20 and Channel 61 and Channel 68

=====More in the new 6.2======

Anyone ever watch this? Seems like re runs of old sports- old olympics . Nothing current. I really think they can do better. Seems like a waist of bandwidth.


kmtv has nothing on 3.2. they are wasting that bandwith more than wowt olympics channel on 6.2

I hope we get the 2 lincoln station KLKN AND KOLN here in Omaha

it makes sense, since Lincoln gets Omaha's abc and cbs stations,

it is only fair and we get cbs and abc stations from lincoln


say, isnt KLKN and KOLN and the pbs station the only stations in Lincoln.


I know of Retro tv and My network tv being on sub-channels and

my digital tuner sometimes gets them.



are they the only ones cause someone told me that Lincoln has their own Fox and CW stations.




also News on One I just heard is moving to Channel 4 on Cox Cable


still no word if Cox cable of Omaha will ever do anything

with Channel 20 and Channel 61 and Channel 68
If Cox used used channel 20 and 61,68,.69 we wouldn;t get more digital/HD.

The channel change was mentioned already it will be a ondemand channel 1,299,319,339,349,367,511-515,590,626,638,998,999 all are ondemand launch channels.


What do you think Cox Omaha will do?

If Cox used used channel 20 and 61,68,.69 we wouldn;t get more digital/HD.

The channel change was mentioned already it will be a ondemand channel 1,299,319,339,349,367,511-515,590,626,638,998,999 all are ondemand launch channels.


What do you think Cox Omaha will do?

first:

cox needs to put on the digital lineup


the Pentagon channel and also VH1 Soul



maybe also put Daystar on either channel 20 or on the digital lineup also.



maybe move Golf Channel and TCM to the digitial lineup since we all know that is coming since most Cox Cable systems have


Golf Channel and TCM on the digitial lineup



and also get rid of channel 21 since it is already on channel 279

are they the only ones cause someone told me that Lincoln has their own Fox and CW stations.


KCWL-TV 51 in Lincoln will flash-cut to digital as KCWL-DT 51 in February. Their coverage area is much smaller than 8 and 10. They are a CW 100+ affiliate station owned by the Omaha World-Herald and operated by Pappas.

Lincoln also has analog repeaters of the Lincoln-market Fox station (Fox 4 & 17) which is actually based out of the Tri-Cities. These repeaters operate on analog 18 and 35 and have applied for digital signals or 47 and 49.

Lincoln also has Three Angels on 27 and TBN on 29.


still no word if Cox cable of Omaha will ever do anything

with Channel 20 and Channel 61 and Channel 68
I hope not. I would hope analog could be eventually phased out so all the innovation and new programming can be made available as higher-quality digital signals.

first:

cox needs to put on the digital lineup


the Pentagon channel and also VH1 Soul



maybe also put Daystar on either channel 20 or on the digital lineup also.

channel 21 is for people who don't want digital.



maybe move Golf Channel and TCM to the digitial lineup since we all know that is coming since most Cox Cable systems have


Golf Channel and TCM on the digitial lineup



and also get rid of channel 21 since it is already on channel 279


We do not need daystar. Pentagon would be nice.

some systems also have cmt and other channels in the digital lineup while Omaha still has them on Analog.

I bet those systems have channels on anlog that Omaha has on digital.

anyone see anything on cox getting MLBHD anytime soon?

anyone see anything on cox getting MLBHD anytime soon?

No mention of Cox Omaha getting MLB-Hd, maybe they will add it in time for the season opener in April. I also wish Cox would add the following channels to the digital lineup: Horseracing Channel, TVG, Fox College Sports(Pacific, Central Atlantic), RFD-TV.

http://www.whereishd.com/

I just checked and they had AMCHD listed, but no mention of GolfHD or VersusHD.

I noticed today that channel 17 KTVG DT the FOX affiliate for the tri-cities is broadcasting an HD signal OTA. Their signal is still limited because they are not at full power yet. Hopefully DirecTV and Dish will pick it up soon. Haven't seen any HD yet today but the Orange Bowl at 7 pm should be the clincher.

The Orange Bowl just started but KTVG DT is still not passing an HD signal yet. What they have done is change to a widescreen aspect ratio (16:9) instead of a 4:3 aspect ratio but the HD should be coming soon.

Just as soon as I turned back to the TV they switched the HD on. The Orange Bowl looks great.

Just as soon as I turned back to the TV they switched the HD on. The Orange Bowl looks great.

Plus it's in Dolby Digital...very nice timing for the BCS games and Cotton tomorrow plus NFL playoffs.

I noticed today that channel 17 KTVG DT the FOX affiliate for the tri-cities is broadcasting an HD signal OTA. Their signal is still limited because they are not at full power yet. Hopefully DirecTV and Dish will pick it up soon. Haven't seen any HD yet today but the Orange Bowl at 7 pm should be the clincher.

I was wondering about that! I was in Lincoln yesterday evening for a family New Years event and the Orange Bowl was on. Although they have a standard-def TV, it still looked like the HD feed from FOX rather than the SD feed (as far as graphics and ads going off the left and right side of the screen). Was surprised as I didn't know KTVG had "flipped the switch" yet.

Also noticed that Dish Network (SD tier) is now carrying KLKN-DT on channel 8, so it's a cropped version of the HD feed. Last I checked they were carrying the SD feed, either from OTA analog or from digital 8.2 (now RTN). KHGI 13 is still carried in SD (though isn't that all they're broadcasting OTA as well?)

KHGI has been broadcasting a low power HD signal OTA since the last week of November but DirecTV has not picked it up yet.

KHGI is planning on splitting their digital signal as 13-1 & 13-2 with 13-1 carrying ABC HD and 13-2 carrying the FOX HD feed. Should be interesting with each HD feed only using half of the bandwidth normally available. I'm assuming they will do this with channel 6 in Hays Center as well. Their reasoning is that it will allow more people to receive FOX OTA.

DirecTV has also enabled their receivers to receive 8.2 RTN via the OTA tuner.

KHGI has been broadcasting a low power HD signal OTA since the last week of November but DirecTV has not picked it up yet.

KHGI is planning on splitting their digital signal as 13-1 & 13-2 with 13-1 carrying ABC HD and 13-2 carrying the FOX HD feed. Should be interesting with each HD feed only using half of the bandwidth normally available. I'm assuming they will do this with channel 6 in Hays Center as well. Their reasoning is that it will allow more people to receive FOX OTA.

DirecTV has also enabled their receivers to receive 8.2 RTN via the OTA tuner.

Kind of surprised they need to do that with 13-2, considering that 4 and 17 cover much the same area as 13. It would seem like 13-2 carrying KCWL 51 would make more sense as there's no OTA CW coverage in the Tri-Cities. Now, out in western NE, the only Fox affiliate is low-power K11TW in North Platte so having Fox on 6-2 there makes perfect sense. Or maybe the two stations have to be identical (if 6 simply simulcasts everything carried on 13). Maybe 4-2 and 17-2 could relay KCWL, at least expanding the signal coverage to the Tri-Cities and south-central NE.

I agree with you but that is what the engineering department told me. Nothing Pappas does surprises me anymore.

I just noticed that KXVO is airing Smackdown at 8 PM on Saturday Nights the next two weeks. Does anyone know what's up with that? That's pretty awesome if it is a permanent deal because right now I have no HD for that show, however that would change if KXVO broadcasts it. I do know KPTM owns KXVO and 42.2, so it would be pretty awesome if they were throwing us Wrestling fans a bone.

I just noticed that KXVO is airing Smackdown at 8 PM on Saturday Nights the next two weeks. Does anyone know what's up with that? That's pretty awesome if it is a permanent deal because right now I have no HD for that show, however that would change if KXVO broadcasts it. I do know KPTM owns KXVO and 42.2, so it would be pretty awesome if they were throwing us Wrestling fans a bone.

it's not on the 17th so it not permanant.

My network tv's got Boxing boxers on Friday's at 7 for the 2nd and 9th.

KCWL-TV 51 in Lincoln will flash-cut to digital as KCWL-DT 51 in February. Their coverage area is much smaller than 8 and 10. They are a CW 100+ affiliate station owned by the Omaha World-Herald and operated by Pappas.

Lincoln also has analog repeaters of the Lincoln-market Fox station (Fox 4 & 17) which is actually based out of the Tri-Cities. These repeaters operate on analog 18 and 35 and have applied for digital signals or 47 and 49.

Lincoln also has Three Angels on 27 and TBN on 29.


I hope not. I would hope analog could be eventually phased out so all the innovation and new programming can be made available as higher-quality digital signals.



I knew Grand island's Fox 17 had a repeater in superior nebraska. didnt know it was in Lincoln also.


I remember KSNB fox 4 of Scribner was a repeater for the Kearney ABC station years ago.

I just noticed that KXVO is airing Smackdown at 8 PM on Saturday Nights the next two weeks. Does anyone know what's up with that? That's pretty awesome if it is a permanent deal because right now I have no HD for that show, however that would change if KXVO broadcasts it. I do know KPTM owns KXVO and 42.2, so it would be pretty awesome if they were throwing us Wrestling fans a bone.


smackdown should return to the cw

the cw has too many teen dramas, and several c minus sitcoms in prime time.

CW's ratings have gone way down since Smackdown left, and My Network's have gone up. The guy that wanted Smackdown gone at CW is taking some heat over it.

it's not on the 17th so it not permanant.

My network tv's got Boxing boxers on Friday's at 7 for the 2nd and 9th.

Rats, I figured it was something temporary.

Rats, I figured it was something temporary.

I just checked our guide on cox and it looks like MYnetwork tv has Smackdown at the regular time this week.

Ever since Wednesday when I did a scan of the QAM channels like 72-1 and such I get audio only. I've rescanned twice and still audio only, anybody else getting just audio?

The guy that wanted Smackdown gone at CW is taking some heat over it.


glad he is taking heat for it.


no offense but other than Smackdown,

there is nothing in prime time that is good on My Network tv.


and other Smackdown and the re-airings from KXVo earlier in the day of Springer, Wilkos and Maury


and also Law and Order: CI at 5pm central time (mon-fri)

there is nothing really good on 42.2 anyway.



would be nice if 42.2 aired some of the shows like Regenesis that used to be on Channel 6.2


wished also a Omaha station still aired DaVinci's Inquest

I just checked our guide on cox and it looks like MYnetwork tv has Smackdown at the regular time this week.

The guide had it last night as well, and it was on I believe.

glad he is taking heat for it.


no offense but other than Smackdown,

there is nothing in prime time that is good on My Network tv.


and other Smackdown and the re-airings from KXVo earlier in the day of Springer, Wilkos and Maury


and also Law and Order: CI at 5pm central time (mon-fri)

there is nothing really good on 42.2 anyway.



would be nice if 42.2 aired some of the shows like Regenesis that used to be on Channel 6.2


wished also a Omaha station still aired DaVinci's Inquest


When it was on the Magic Biggest Secrets Revealed was a good show.

Over the weekend I noticed that KOLN has begun broadcasting a 10.3 SD of 10.1, which really looked poor (pixelization) compared to 10.2. I wonder what their plans are for that sub channel?

Before the front rolled through around Saturday noon I was watching 8.2 airing some cool old westerns via RTN.

Just before Christmas I did a rescan on the DTT901 and found that NETs translators at Beatrice (23) and Pawnee City (33) are now transmitting DTV carrying 12.1-12.3. Of the three I find 12.2 the most interesting.

I'm really chomping at the bit for Feb 18 to come as I want to see this stuff get settled and done. I'm looking forward to more RTN. :)

Over the weekend I noticed that KOLN has begun broadcasting a 10.3 SD of 10.1, which really looked poor (pixelization) compared to 10.2. I wonder what their plans are for that sub channel?

Before the front rolled through around Saturday noon I was watching 8.2 airing some cool old westerns via RTN.

Just before Christmas I did a rescan on the DTT901 and found that NETs translators at Beatrice (23) and Pawnee City (33) are now transmitting DTV carrying 12.1-12.3. Of the three I find 12.2 the most interesting.

I'm really chomping at the bit for Feb 18 to come as I want to see this stuff get settled and done. I'm looking forward to more RTN. :)

What's happening 2/18? Interesting info on 10.3

What's happening 2/18? Interesting info on 10.3

2/18 is the day after the analog cut-off date, so the first full day on which full-power signals will be all-digital and on their permanent channels.

What programming is on 10.3? I'm in Omaha today so can't get 10 (25) to check.

Over the weekend I noticed that KOLN has begun broadcasting a 10.3 SD of 10.1, which really looked poor (pixelization) compared to 10.2. I wonder what their plans are for that sub channel?

Before the front rolled through around Saturday noon I was watching 8.2 airing some cool old westerns via RTN.

Just before Christmas I did a rescan on the DTT901 and found that NETs translators at Beatrice (23) and Pawnee City (33) are now transmitting DTV carrying 12.1-12.3. Of the three I find 12.2 the most interesting.

I'm really chomping at the bit for Feb 18 to come as I want to see this stuff get settled and done. I'm looking forward to more RTN. :)



I have been getting 10.3 also for like a minute or so.

it looks like a repeater of channel 10.1 KOLN



I live in mid-town and I almost never get 10.1 or 10.2

I wish they would up-grade their signal for the Omaha area



I know 10.2 airs Cheers and DaVinci's Inquest and One on One

An update to MyNetwork and HD programming: I said in an earlier post that I didn't know if KSMO 62.1 (the Kansas City MyNetwork affil) showed any network HD. I turned to Smackdown for as long as I could stand Friday night and indeed, it was in HD. So there's at least one MyN station showing HD.

Is there anyone in the area who is using a Windows-based computer to watch over-the-air DTV (reception of Nebraska PBS is a must, Iowa PBS would be nice but not required) who has some free time and would be willing to give me a hand with something? Thanks.

- Trip

anyone else getting the Fox/My Network tv stations from Sioux City

aka 44.1 and 44.2

I am from time to time getting them


I BTW live in mid-town and surprised I am getting them


and the Lincoln stations on 10.1 and 10.2

I have been getting 10.3 also for like a minute or so.

it looks like a repeater of channel 10.1 KOLN



I live in mid-town and I almost never get 10.1 or 10.2

I wish they would up-grade their signal for the Omaha area



I know 10.2 airs Cheers and DaVinci's Inquest and One on One



--KOLN is in the Lincoln market and thus in a different market than Omaha so the likely hood of getting a better signal in Omaha is low; your only hope is after Feb 18th that somehow the signal improves in your area

I can confirm this evening (from family members' place in Gretna) that 10.3 is on with CBS SD.

Same programming as 10.1 except in a 4:3 aspect ratio, and poor PQ due to the small amount of bandwidth being used.

Not sure what the purpose is, unless it's to feed SD cable/satellite, or for analog TVs with converter boxes.

Smackdown again to be on KXVO on the 17th. I wonder if this is permanent, if so it would be super.

If I had to guess, I'd say 10-3 is probably for another subchannel, just that they've lit it up with CBS for the time being.

- Trip

If I had to guess, I'd say 10-3 is probably for another subchannel, just that they've lit it up with CBS for the time being.

- Trip

That was my guess and exactly what KLKN was doing last fall until RTN came up on 8.2. I suspect that the low bit rate used on 10.3 foretells a mostly static channel like a weather/news channel.

Congrats on getting your ticket, Trip. :)

Smackdown again to be on KXVO on the 17th. I wonder if this is permanent, if so it would be super.

I contacted KXVO this morning and they told me it's a permanent change because so many people couldn't see Smackdown anymore. Great news, now if they can just get it in HD.

Emailed 10/11 to find out what's going on 10.3..here's the response:

"We are doing testing for a new HD stream coming within two weeks. I cannot divulge the network affiliation currently. Please stay tuned...

Thank you for being observant."

Emailed 10/11 to find out what's going on 10.3..here's the response:

"We are doing testing for a new HD stream coming within two weeks. I cannot divulge the network affiliation currently. Please stay tuned...

Thank you for being observant."

Wonder if it'll really be another HD feed, or if he means digital SD. Seems that with the CBS 1080i programming plus MNTV, there wouldn't be enough bandwidth left over to handle a second HD feed (or would there)?

Wonder if it'll really be another HD feed, or if he means digital SD. Seems that with the CBS 1080i programming plus MNTV, there wouldn't be enough bandwidth left over to handle a second HD feed (or would there)?


It has to be SD..no way it could be in HD. I'm sure he "mis-typed" and meant to say digital stream. I'm wondering what programming it will be or "network".

Congrats on getting your ticket, Trip. :)

Thanks! I just need to get it laminated. :D

- Trip

I haven't really been following but I assume 10.3 is a Lincoln station. Anyway to get these in Omaha?

I haven't really been following but I assume 10.3 is a Lincoln station. Anyway to get these in Omaha?


They're at full power now so you could check OTA. Otherwise no if thru cable or satellite.

For Channel 10.3 I would love a Live Radar only page like what KETV 7 used to do for they did Weather Now. Also some kind of news page would be nice.

Its a very very low bit rate so it does not mess up the other channels.

Great for a quick check of the radar with out have to wait for it to cycle thorugh all the ADs and forecasts.

--KOLN is in the Lincoln market and thus in a different market than Omaha so the likely hood of getting a better signal in Omaha is low; your only hope is after Feb 18th that somehow the signal improves in your area

i hope the signal gets better

They're at full power now so you could check OTA. Otherwise no if thru cable or satellite.

On channel 25 DTV which is temporary until Feb 17th. After the cutover they'll be full power on channel 10 where their analog is now, so I don't classify them at "full power" just yet. :)

Do cable or satellite carry the sub channels? I was under the impression that they only carry the main channel.

On channel 25 DTV which is temporary until Feb 17th. After the cutover they'll be full power on channel 10 where their analog is now, so I don't classify them at "full power" just yet. :)

Do cable or satellite carry the sub channels? I was under the impression that they only carry the main channel.


Oops, yeah you're right on broadcasting on Ch 25 now.. :-)

The only subchannel out here in Centr Nebr is 10/11's My Network and it is carried by Charter and Directv, probably since it's a "network affiliation".

Directv says they don't have enough room to carry KLKN's Retro TV, which I'd rather have. Since KLKN doesn't make it out here, Charter doesn't carry Retro.

For Channel 10.3 I would love a Live Radar only page like what KETV 7 used to do for they did Weather Now. Also some kind of news page would be nice.

Its a very very low bit rate so it does not mess up the other channels.

Great for a quick check of the radar with out have to wait for it to cycle thorugh all the ADs and forecasts.

I am actually surprised that Lincoln Nebraska dosent have a weather now like sub-channel


I know Omaha (of course) and Kansas City and Des Moines and even Sioux falls have them, yet Lincoln dont.

Lincoln does not really need a weather subchannel since Omaha's tv signal reaches Lincoln with no problem,with a antenna or carried on Lincoln's Time Warner Cable. I have never understood why Omaha does not get Lincoln's 2 stations and why does Lincoln have its own market anyway? Omaha tv reaches Lincoln but, Omaha cannot count Lincoln's population in its Dma whichs makes Omaha Dma much smaller that it really is.

Lincoln does not really need a weather subchannel since Omaha's tv signal reaches Lincoln with no problem,with a antenna or carried on Lincoln's Time Warner Cable. I have never understood why Omaha does not get Lincoln's 2 stations and why does Lincoln have its own market anyway? Omaha tv reaches Lincoln but, Omaha cannot count Lincoln's population in its Dma whichs makes Omaha Dma much smaller that it really is.

the lincoln market actually covers central nebraska...so lincoln is at the far east end of the market because the market stretches out west past kearney

This map shows the DMA's for Nebraska.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=107272&d=1207968963

i hope the signal gets betterLate last month, the FCC published the results of engineering studies comparing stations' current analogs to their anticipated post-transition coverage, market-by-market.

The map for Lincoln-Hastings-Kearney shows what could be sizable gains at least in the western half of Omaha for KOLN-10, and in about the southwestern quarter of Omaha for KLKN-8.

The fact that KETV and KLKN will no longer be next to each other channel-wise can't hurt, either.

The engineers apparently think the Omaha stations should gain potential coverage as well, along with the Council Bluffs and Red Oak IPTV stations.

In case you're interested, here are links to the maps for ...

Omaha:
http://www.fcc.gov/dtv/markets/maps_report1/Omaha_NE.pdf

Lincoln-Hastings-Kearney:
http://www.fcc.gov/dtv/markets/maps_report1/Lincoln-Hastings-Kearney_NE.pdf

Does anyone else have the DCH34xx box from Cox and hate the Program Guide? I just picked one up as my second box. My first box is a DCT6416.

The IPG looks absolutely horrible compared to by other box. I looks and behaves differently. I thought these boxes were similar enough that they would be running the same Passport software. This looks like a program guide from the early 80's.

Anyone else have both or move from one to the other and have the same complaint?

-Rod

I guess I should elaborate on a couple of things.

1. This is the DCH3400. It does not have a hard drive installed. I wasn't willing to pay for the DVR service twice over. I think Cox should charge by service location for DVR service and not by the box, but that's just my opinion.

2. I know there will be limitation in the IPG because it is not configured as a DVR. I did expect the same general look and feel outside of the DVR functions.

3. When I say it looks horrible, I mean the graphics are very choppy. In my living room, the DCT6416 DVR program guide looks like 640x480 resolution. A limitation of the software and/or hardware. But it looks fine. This new box looks like it is generated in 320x240, at best. The font is weird and very blocky.

The layout is the same, but the general functions are different. On my original box, the upper left corner will include the channel name, channel number, program time, and the beginning of the description. That description starts with HDTV for those HD programs. This new box does not include that information. I have to select Info and scroll to the end of the description to see if it is HD or not.

When I select info for a program, I have to use the Exit button on the remote. My older DVR allows me to get back to the program guide by selecting up, down, left or right in addition to using Exit.

This may be a silly complaint, but I just have a hard time with how kludgy and ugly this interface is compared to the older box. I expected the same software with the new box, hearing they are so similar internally.


OK, rant off.

Late last month, the FCC published the results of engineering studies comparing stations' current analogs to their anticipated post-transition coverage, market-by-market.

The map for Lincoln-Hastings-Kearney shows what could be sizable gains at least in the western half of Omaha for KOLN-10, and in about the southwestern quarter of Omaha for KLKN-8.

The fact that KETV and KLKN will no longer be next to each other channel-wise can't hurt, either.

The engineers apparently think the Omaha stations should gain potential coverage as well, along with the Council Bluffs and Red Oak IPTV stations.

In case you're interested, here are links to the maps for ...

Omaha:
http://www.fcc.gov/dtv/markets/maps_report1/Omaha_NE.pdf

Lincoln-Hastings-Kearney:
http://www.fcc.gov/dtv/markets/maps_report1/Lincoln-Hastings-Kearney_NE.pdf
Except that KUON-DT is already up on VHF channel 12, and the signal barely touches Lincoln. It's non existant in Omaha. Not sure if they are at the power level they'll be able to use after the analog shutdown...but so far, no go.

I'd love to spend the money for a good VHF antenna pointed west towards Seward, but based on the KUON-DT experience, I fear it's just a waste of time and money at this point.

I guess I should elaborate on a couple of things.

1. This is the DCH3400. It does not have a hard drive installed. I wasn't willing to pay for the DVR service twice over. I think Cox should charge by service location for DVR service and not by the box, but that's just my opinion.

2. I know there will be limitation in the IPG because it is not configured as a DVR. I did expect the same general look and feel outside of the DVR functions.

3. When I say it looks horrible, I mean the graphics are very choppy. In my living room, the DCT6416 DVR program guide looks like 640x480 resolution. A limitation of the software and/or hardware. But it looks fine. This new box looks like it is generated in 320x240, at best. The font is weird and very blocky.

The layout is the same, but the general functions are different. On my original box, the upper left corner will include the channel name, channel number, program time, and the beginning of the description. That description starts with HDTV for those HD programs. This new box does not include that information. I have to select Info and scroll to the end of the description to see if it is HD or not.

When I select info for a program, I have to use the Exit button on the remote. My older DVR allows me to get back to the program guide by selecting up, down, left or right in addition to using Exit.

This may be a silly complaint, but I just have a hard time with how kludgy and ugly this interface is compared to the older box. I expected the same software with the new box, hearing they are so similar internally.


OK, rant off.


The non dvr is DCH3200 not DCH3400. Sounds like you got a bad box, or the guide/software when first setup didn't get downloaded correctly. The software should be the same except no dvr menus.

It looks like cox changes will be on a different page in the World Herald.

An update to MyNetwork and HD programming: I said in an earlier post that I didn't know if KSMO 62.1 (the Kansas City MyNetwork affil) showed any network HD. I turned to Smackdown for as long as I could stand Friday night and indeed, it was in HD. So there's at least one MyN station showing HD.

do you know if that HD feed is avalable to cable viewers or only ota?

I heard from someone that works at KMTV to "watch for a big change in the next 60 days."

I haven't heard anything about KETV or WOWT plans to go HD for local newscasts.

I have noticed on WOWT news that apparently they have some HD cameras in the field and are able to broadcast that to the station. I believe someone here also pointed out the HD bug from WOWT, which I just noticed earlier this week.

It would be nice to see the local news in HD. But what I really want is to see them all get HD overlay capabilities before the spring severe weather season starts. At least KETV has that now.

-Rod

maybe it's a subchannel also.:D

It would be nice to see the local news in HD. But what I really want is to see them all get HD overlay capabilities before the spring severe weather season starts. At least KETV has that now.

-Rod

KPTM/KXVO as well as KOLN in Lincoln have HD overlay capabilities too.

(Well, KPTM/KXVO DID... not sure if they still use them. KOLN's have been active for at least a year if I recall correctly.)

During a NFL game last Sunday or the Sunday before, WOWT actually briefly used HD graphics but they clearly have a long way to go before theirs are really ready... I knew they were supposed to be weather overlays but I remember being a number of things wrong with them. At least WOWT is able to put a non-intrusive bug up in the upper right corner to at least alert viewers to what the conditions are, i.e. Winter Weather Advisory.

It was nice seeing the WOWT overlay, if only for a moment or two. I saw it too last weekend. They need to communicate better between each other though. On HD they said Winter Storm Warning, but on SD it was Winter Weather Advisory. :D

KPTM/KXVO as well as KOLN in Lincoln have HD overlay capabilities too.

(Well, KPTM/KXVO DID... not sure if they still use them. KOLN's have been active for at least a year if I recall correctly.)

During a NFL game last Sunday or the Sunday before, WOWT actually briefly used HD graphics but they clearly have a long way to go before theirs are really ready... I knew they were supposed to be weather overlays but I remember being a number of things wrong with them. At least WOWT is able to put a non-intrusive bug up in the upper right corner to at least alert viewers to what the conditions are, i.e. Winter Weather Advisory.

It looks like cox changes will be on a different page in the World Herald.

Which page, and which paper this week? Anything new, or what has been posted within the last couple weeks?

do you know if that HD feed is avalable to cable viewers or only ota?

I don't know. You could check the KC forum here or go to the Time Warner website and enter 64101 for a zip code to see the KC lineup. Everest and Comcast also serve parts of the KC metro.

KPTM/KXVO as well as KOLN in Lincoln have HD overlay capabilities too.

When watching various Chiefs games this fall (I know, a sucker for self torture), whenever KOLN did their ID overlay the screen noticably jumped on my Zenith DTT901 CECB. I have it in Zoom mode as that is what everyone is comfortable with, but I caught it at least once with the "Set by Program" setting which shows a 16:9 letterbox on the TV and the screen was noticeably smaller when the overlay was on than when the game was in its normal 16:9 format. So, it was my thought that the overlay is doing some sort of compromise between SD and HD so it's viewable on an SD set or with a CECB.

If I was catching it with a CECB, then it must really be annoying to anyone watching in HD.

I don't know. You could check the KC forum here or go to the Time Warner website and enter 64101 for a zip code to see the KC lineup. Everest and Comcast also serve parts of the KC metro.

it looks like it's avalable on channel 1471 they also have MLBHD and ESPNEWSHD ESPNU HD and others cox should add.

When watching various Chiefs games this fall (I know, a sucker for self torture), whenever KOLN did their ID overlay the screen noticably jumped on my Zenith DTT901 CECB. I have it in Zoom mode as that is what everyone is comfortable with, but I caught it at least once with the "Set by Program" setting which shows a 16:9 letterbox on the TV and the screen was noticeably smaller when the overlay was on than when the game was in its normal 16:9 format. So, it was my thought that the overlay is doing some sort of compromise between SD and HD so it's viewable on an SD set or with a CECB.

If I was catching it with a CECB, then it must really be annoying to anyone watching in HD.

Their ID overlay is 4:3 SD but their weather overlays are 16:9 HD. I've watched them during severe weather using a computer program and it's still 1080i when the weather graphics come up. The window size will change if the aspect ratio, or resolution, changes. Last I knew they still dropped to SD for the ID, much like KPTM does for the "Childrens Hospital" bug.

Viewers watching 10.1 in zoom mode on a SDTV will be out of luck with the weather graphics as they actually use the entire screen width. The western part of the state would be cut off the left side of the screen. Currently the analog feed which is still provided to cable/satellite is using separate SD graphics.

http://www.cox.com/omaha/digitalcable/myprimetime.asp

myprimetime finally coming

KPTM/KXVO as well as KOLN in Lincoln have HD overlay capabilities too.

(Well, KPTM/KXVO DID... not sure if they still use them. KOLN's have been active for at least a year if I recall correctly.)

During a NFL game last Sunday or the Sunday before, WOWT actually briefly used HD graphics but they clearly have a long way to go before theirs are really ready... I knew they were supposed to be weather overlays but I remember being a number of things wrong with them. At least WOWT is able to put a non-intrusive bug up in the upper right corner to at least alert viewers to what the conditions are, i.e. Winter Weather Advisory.

yeah KOLN has had hd weather graphics for a long time already (i think they were one, if not the first, to do it. its sure is nice during bad weather...they currently have it on right now for the bad weather in NE nebraska and it is still HD

ToonDisney going away

Is is being replaced/renamed with DisneyXD on channel 255 on February 13th.

maybe it's a subchannel also.:D

lets hope KMTV gets a sub-channel


my bet is if it is


KMTV will have either RETRO tv network

or Variety Tv network on channel 3.2



I BTW would like to see ION or Telemundo or Daystar

buy KOHA channel 47/48


something should be done with that station since it is a wasted air space/ test pattern

Given that VTV was killed off last week, don't count on it.

- Trip

Given that VTV was killed off last week, don't count on it.

- Trip

I didnt know VTV died.


I am betting KMTV will likely have Retro TV network or LATV or This TV on channel 3.2

I BTW would like to see ION or Telemundo or Daystar

buy KOHA channel 47/48

something should be done with that station since it is a wasted air space/ test pattern
I really hope it's not Daystar. Telemundo would be a nice addition.

A subchannel on KMTV would be a good addition, but even better would be HD news. It's about time for one of the channels to make the switch.

I still think we have a better chance of KETV or WOWT doing HD news

2weeks till Passport Echo 3 ,Style,News on 4,Comedy HD

2weeks till Passport Echo 3 ,Style,News on 4,Comedy HD

Remind us again what Passport Echo 3 is?

Remind us again what Passport Echo 3 is?

it's the software that runs on the cox dvr's

I really hope it's not Daystar. Telemundo would be a nice addition.

A subchannel on KMTV would be a good addition, but even better would be HD news. It's about time for one of the channels to make the switch.


I hope it is Telemundo or Univision

ION would be great cause it airs Quantum Leap and Drew carey and Boston Legal reruns


plus the sub-channel ION life http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Life and: http://www.ionlife.com/ would be cool to get,

though it sorta looks like the PBS Create channel on 26.3 when it comes to its program lineup




I agree It's about time for one of the channels to make the switch to HD News



my bet is either WOWT or KPTM will be the first to have the news in HD.

Well ION is already on Cox so I don't think KMTV will add that.

ION Life is a waste of bandwidth. My dad says he hasn't seen a new program on it in more than 6 months.

- Trip

ION Life is a waste of bandwidth. My dad says he hasn't seen a new program on it in more than 6 months.

- Trip

There is a reason ION only shows reruns.

It's one thing to air reruns like the main station does, it's another thing to air the exact same lineup of the exact same shows over and over again for a year straight.

- Trip

It's one thing to air reruns like the main station does, it's another thing to air the exact same lineup of the exact same shows over and over again for a year straight.

- Trip

maybe they get the programming cheap who knows?

maybe they get the programming cheap who knows?

Most likely. However I'd still like to see ION Life bite the dust and be replaced with something a little more useful.

- Trip

Most likely. However I'd still like to see ION Life bite the dust and be replaced with something a little more useful.

- Trip

like what? And why are you posting in the Omaha group when you are
VA.

Like anything. They could put any number of more useful services on the -3 feeds of ION stations. They've been talking about trying to lease a subchannel to another programmer, that'd be a great place for it.

Because I follow all the OTA-related threads as they relate to my website. I try to provide assistance when I can.

- Trip

Like anything. They could put any number of more useful services on the -3 feeds of ION stations. They've been talking about trying to lease a subchannel to another programmer, that'd be a great place for it.

Because I follow all the OTA-related threads as they relate to my website. I try to provide assistance when I can.

- Trip

What are you calling -3 feeds of Ion sations as far as as I know there is no OTA ION in Omaha it's only on cable or satelite. it's not a subchannel ether.

I just mean in general. ION stations have four subs. Like in Kansas City:

50-1 ION
50-2 qubo (all kids)
50-3 ION Life
50-4 Worship

I know there's no ION affiliate in Omaha, but I'm just making the point that ION Life is a waste of time. You'd be much better off hoping to get This TV. :)

- Trip

I just mean in general. ION stations have four subs. Like in Kansas City:

50-1 ION
50-2 qubo (all kids)
50-3 ION Life
50-4 Worship

I know there's no ION affiliate in Omaha, but I'm just making the point that ION Life is a waste of time. You'd be much better off hoping to get This TV. :)

- Trip


I would prefer ION for the reruns since TBS and WGN only carry a few. Drew Carrey is a good show. We only have Ion not Ion Life

Yes, ION itself has gotten some good shows lately. Between their movies which are sometimes interesting, to MASH and all kinds of other stuff, they're finally turning the place around. They're supposed to start 720p at some point, then it'll get even more watchable. :)

- Trip

Which page, and which paper this week? Anything new, or what has been posted within the last couple weeks?
the page that usually has it page B4 in the Midlands sections keeps alternating showing stories one day then the next it has opinions.

I haven't seen anything except for what I posted Toondisney becoming DisneyXD.

Like anything. They could put any number of more useful services on the -3 feeds of ION stations. They've been talking about trying to lease a subchannel to another programmer, that'd be a great place for it.

Since many ION stations tend to be away from the main antenna farms, perhaps they could lease space to network stations. If WHPX (ION) would do that in the Mystic, CT area, then it would be possible to get CBS (WFSB). As it is, I have two local ION stations there, duplicating all of those subs.

Most likely. However I'd still like to see ION Life bite the dust and be replaced with something a little more useful.

- Trip


I keep hearing Urban Television was going to be on one of ION's sub-channels

Since many ION stations tend to be away from the main antenna farms, perhaps they could lease space to network stations. If WHPX (ION) would do that in the Mystic, CT area, then it would be possible to get CBS (WFSB). As it is, I have two local ION stations there, duplicating all of those subs.

I think the Ion discussion should stop since Omaha has no local Ion affliate we can't get any Ion subchannels.

Well ION is already on Cox so I don't think KMTV will add that.

they could put it on KOHA channel 47/48 KOHA-LP and KOHA-LD


cause that channel is nothing but a test pattern.


if ION cant get on there, give the KOHA station to Telemundo or Univision or something

do something with that wasted bandwith.

http://www.northpine.com/broadcast/

is reporting:


UHF MIGRATION:
In the analog era, VHF channels were seen as desirable, with UHF stations dismissed for being weak and hard to receive. But with the digital transition looming, most VHF Low stations (channels 2-6) are choosing to keep their digital broadcasts on UHF and abandon VHF, while most VHF High stations (7-13) are converting their analog VHF channel to digital. Here's a look at the changes in the Upper Midwest:


The most dramatic change is in Omaha, where all three VHF stations will leave the air, leaving only UHF stations (though several VHF stations will be on the air in neighboring Lincoln).

Anybody here get KOLN and KLKN HD over Dish Network? - supposedly both of these are uplinked now...

Cox finally removed channel 61 MTV2 which is only on channel 266 now. They also on cannel 19 the Tvguide channel News on One will be called News 4 You when it moves to channel 4.

Anybody seeing any new programming(other than regular programming from 10.1) being streamed on KOLN Ch 10.3?

my bet is either WOWT or KPTM will be the first to have the news in HD.

Pappas, which owns KPTM is bankrupt. Gray, which owns WOWT is close to it.
Upgrading to an all-HD newscast requires quite a lot of new expensive equipment. I don't have any inside info, but I would bet these would be the last two stations in Omaha to upgrade their news.

Emailed 10/11 to find out what's going on 10.3..here's the response:

"We are doing testing for a new HD stream coming within two weeks. I cannot divulge the network affiliation currently. Please stay tuned...

Thank you for being observant."

Here's the rumor I heard. KTVG (Fox affiliate) lost FOX and it's moving to the KOLN/KGIN facilities.

Here's the rumor I heard. KTVG (Fox affiliate) lost FOX and it's moving to the KOLN/KGIN facilities.

I don't think so since Fox is already in HD on KTVG. The best they could hope for is SD if on 10.3 & 11.3.

I don't think so since Fox is already in HD on KTVG. The best they could hope for is SD if on 10.3 & 11.3.

That's what is puzzling to everyone. We'll see.

My info is from an installer.

That's what is puzzling to everyone. We'll see.

My info is from an installer.

What installer? A Directv, Dish, or cable installer? If so, they wouldn't know.

What installer? A Directv, Dish, or cable installer? If so, they wouldn't know.

Not Directv, cable or Dish.

Not Directv, cable or Dish.

Who, then?

Who, then?

I said rumor, so I am not saying who. I'm just laying this out as speculation. Sounds like we will see in about a week.:)

Pappas, which owns KPTM is bankrupt. Gray, which owns WOWT is close to it.
Upgrading to an all-HD newscast requires quite a lot of new expensive equipment. I don't have any inside info, but I would bet these would be the last two stations in Omaha to upgrade their news.

Only time will tell when each of these stations finally gets there.

I have seen things that indicate WOWT has HD capability internally. There have been a couple of live shots from reporters in the field that are displayed in HD on the screens in the newsroom. So they must have at least one of their mobile units HD ready. Maybe they blew the budget on the newsroom remodel and don't have any money left for the control room?

I think KMTV will be there in March. No idea when the others will.

my converter box says there is a broadcast channel now on 49.1

but there is nothing there.

what is on channel 49.1

KPTH-DT in Sioux City IA?

- Trip

just heard from a friend that channel 13 aka IPTV on Cox Cable is being moved to channel 113 later this month.



here is my question:


why not move cox cable channels 17 and 22 over to digital asap.


they are both channels no one watchs, just like 109.

plus it would give some room for more HD channels.

just heard from a friend that channel 13 aka IPTV on Cox Cable is being moved to channel 113 later this month.



here is my question:


why not move cox cable channels 17 and 22 over to digital asap.


they are both channels no one watchs, just like 109.

plus it would give some room for more HD channels.

That's great news. The more they can move to digital the better, IMHO. They need some way of freeing up more bandwidth.

I like your idea of moving some other rarely viewed stations to the digital tier. Problem is likely that the few people that do watch those channels are basic service only subscribers.

I think they should get rid of HBO on 15 too. How many people subscribe to HBO only have analog service? For what HBO charges, I would want all the HBO channels, of which the rest are only available with digital service.

Rod

just heard from a friend that channel 13 aka IPTV on Cox Cable is being moved to channel 113 later this month.


Where is the customer notice?


here is my question:


why not move cox cable channels 17 and 22 over to digital asap.


they are both channels no one watchs, just like 109. People watch 17 and 22 is there to appease (sp) the access channel requirements of cox's contract.

plus it would give some room for more HD channels.

Why move 13 when it's Iowa PBS? New info IPTV 13 moves to 113,IPTV Learns 114,IPTV World 115 IPTVHD 713 all launch February 17.




Why not move 12 Nebraska PBS also? unless it means Iowa PBSHD is comming. 17 is used by schools so they would need a converter for each tv= less converters for paying customers.

As of this weekend I didn't see 10.3 any more. So, was it just a test?

As of this weekend I didn't see 10.3 any more. So, was it just a test?

Not a test...something will happen..maybe 2/1 since contracts usually start beginning of the month. Reason I know that something will happen is that the 10/11 engineer emailed me a few wks ago this reply:

"We are doing testing for a new HD stream coming within two weeks. I cannot divulge the network affiliation currently. Please stay tuned...

Thank you for being observant."


Here's a question...is Retro TV still being aired on KLKN 8.2? Reason I ask is that the programming info was appearing in my Directv guide but now is NOT. Since 10/11 has tested out 10.3/11.3, could 10/11 have wrestled away RTN away from KLKN and it will be moving to 10.3 & 11.3 on say 2/1? I can see where RTN could be a popular station to have in this market of old fashioned TV viewers.

RTN's been having lots of problems, the guide issue is a nation-wide thing from what I gather. I doubt KLKN is losing it.

- Trip

That's great news. The more they can move to digital the better, IMHO. They need some way of freeing up more bandwidth.

I like your idea of moving some other rarely viewed stations to the digital tier. Problem is likely that the few people that do watch those channels are basic service only subscribers.

I think they should get rid of HBO on 15 too. How many people subscribe to HBO only have analog service? For what HBO charges, I would want all the HBO channels, of which the rest are only available with digital service.

Rod

I agree. get rid of channel 15 and 16 also.

same with 12


we all know every channel will be moved over to digital eventually, lets start with channels 12 and 15 and 16 and 17 and 18 and 22


also get rid of 21 since it is already on digital lineup on 279

I agree. get rid of channel 15 and 16 also.

same with 12


we all know every channel will be moved over to digital eventually, lets start with channels 12 and 15 and 16 and 17 and 18 and 22


also get rid of 21 since it is already on digital lineup on 279

did you read what I posted? 16-18 are education related channels, so every school would need a digital box for every tv = less for regular paying customers. I think they have a better shot of moving some of the 25-70 tier channels to digital.

Here's a question...is Retro TV still being aired on KLKN 8.2?


I just checked and 8.2 is currently airing Marcus Welby, MD even though the guide says Ironside. My STB doesn't provide channel name, but I would assume that is RTV. It certainly isn't ABC.

I just checked and 8.2 is currently airing Marcus Welby, MD even though the guide says Ironside. My STB doesn't provide channel name, but I would assume that is RTV. It certainly isn't ABC.


Thanx for the update...I guess I was holding out hope we might be able to get RTV here in Central Nebr since KLKN doesn't make it to these parts.

Anybody here get KOLN and KLKN HD over Dish Network? - supposedly both of these are uplinked now...

Yes, but currently you have to have a "wing dish" pointed at 61.5. It looks like they may carry the HD signal on 129 (where most people in this area are pointed with HD probably) when the new satellite is up (probably around 2/1). It looks almost as good to me as the OTA signal, so I can't really complain about their signal...just wish they'd get FOX on there now, too....

Cox Digital boxHD/HdDVR

Anyone with a cox digital box notice some channels programs ending at the wrong times? I noticed on ABC lastnight news was over 4 mintutes before the clock read 11:00. Also no guide data for Tuesday.

As of this weekend I didn't see 10.3 any more. So, was it just a test?\

I stumbled across this page.

http://www.kolnkgin.com/fox1011

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I stumbled across this page.

http://www.kolnkgin.com/fox1011

... Well, I guess that settles that.

- Trip

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I stumbled across this page.

http://www.kolnkgin.com/fox1011

Hey TJ

How did you find that page? Google/Yahoo search? Was there a direct link on 10/11's website? Interesting find.

I will admit--you were right.

I did some research and found a press release dated 1/6: http://www.kolnkgin.com/fox1011/misc/37144504.html

Hey TJ

How did you find that page? Google/Yahoo search? Was there a direct link on 10/11's website? Interesting find.

I will admit--you were right.

I did some research and found a press release dated 1/6: http://www.kolnkgin.com/fox1011/misc/37144504.html

Hey Paul,
I just happened to do a Google search for KOLN and FOX today. Now it remains to be seen if KTVG loses FOX. That's the part I'm not sure about, although, I don't see how they both co-exist in the market. In fact, does KNOP in North Platte, which has KIIT (FOX) lose that?

When I first heard this rumor, I didn't believe it, but when I read the email reply from 10/11 about testing equipment and adding a new network (which couldn't be named yet) it strated to look plausible.

Now, are they (10/11) going to be able to offer both CBS and FOX in HD simultaneously? Are there bandwidth issues?

Hey Paul,
I just happened to do a Google search for KOLN and FOX today. Now it remains to be seen if KTVG loses FOX. That's the part I'm not sure about, although, I don't see how they both co-exist in the market. In fact, does KNOP in North Platte, which has KIIT (FOX) lose that?

When I first heard this rumor, I didn't believe it, but when I read the email reply from 10/11 about testing equipment and adding a new network (which couldn't be named yet) it strated to look plausible.

Now, are they (10/11) going to be able to offer both CBS and FOX in HD simultaneously? Are there bandwidth issues?

You can put 2 HD stations and 1 SD on one digital channel. According to 10/11's website, MyTv will be carried on 10.3/11.3 w/ Fox on 10.2 /11.2.

Gray TV,10/11's parent company, is doing this at their affiliate in Oklahoma, KXII: http://www.hdtvok.com/2006/11/29/k/

I didn't see any reference on the posted links about Fox 10/11 being HD.

I didn't see any reference on the posted links about Fox 10/11 being HD.

10/11's sister station in Oklahoma, KXII, has the capability to do so according to the link I posted. Here's the key phrase:

"KXII is using the Harmonic solution to simultaneously broadcast their CBS (1080i), Fox (720p), and MyNetwork, branded “MyTexoma”, (480i) programs."

http://www.hdtvok.com/2006/11/29/k/

It's PROBABLY how 10/11 will do it.

I did read what they are doing in Oklahoma.

That Fox 10/11 will be HD is speculation, and not referenced in the press release.

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I stumbled across this page.

http://www.kolnkgin.com/fox1011

Wow! That's a coup. Hopefully they'll carry any Chiefs games that go on FOX as KSNB didn't carry a couple this past season.

Now, if only there were an NBC affiliate up there I wouldn't have to spin the antenna. But I doubt I'd get KSNT (Topeka 27) without a high gain pre-amp and even then probably not without a lot of breakup. KHAS is out of the question as well. Ah well, I get NBC via the DirecTV national feed.

I did read what they are doing in Oklahoma.

That Fox 10/11 will be HD is speculation, and not referenced in the press release.

I wasn't sure if anything can be read into the email 10/11 sent I referenced earlier.

"We are doing testing for a new HD stream coming within two weeks. I cannot divulge the network affiliation currently. Please stay tuned...

Thank you for being observant."

Is "HD Stream" referring to their new FOX affiliation?

Wonder if 10/11 getting Fox also has something to do with the Pappas bankruptcy. I know 4/17 wasn't supposedly affected, but this would seem to mean they'll inevitably lose their affiliation. If they stay on the air it seems there wouldn't be much left aside from relaying KCWL 51.

NTV's picking up of Fox on 13.2/6.2 starts to make a lot more sense now.

I hope 10.2/11.2 is 720p HD but guess we'll have to wait and see.

In fact, does KNOP in North Platte, which has KIIT (FOX) lose that?

Not likely... North Platte is a separate market. They just get KGIN on cable and via translators because North Platte has no local CBS affiliate. Otherwise North Platte has KNOP-2 for NBC, WSWS-13 for ABC ("Class A" rebroadcast of KWNB), and a cable-only CW100+ channel on Charter Cable.

Assuming this is true, I wonder how soon KOLN will start broadcasting FOX? 2/1/09 would seem to be a reasonable guess, but hopefully it's that soon if not sooner...ESPECIALLY if it's in HD also.

Also wonder...if the market is to have two Fox stations (or three but I'm assuming 4&17 switch affiliation, especially if NTV in fact adds Fox as well), how might the satellite locals deals work out? Two Fox stations just like there are two ABC stations, maybe?

I would guess that 4&17 are losing the FOX affiliation, since KGIN and KTVG are both licensed to Grand Island. I could see FOX justifying adding an affiliate in Lincoln only, since ABC has affiliates in both Kearney and Lincoln, but not on two stations licensed to the same city. (And KLKN kind of grandfathered themselves in since they were already ABC in Albion.)

Keep in mind that FOX programming is only on the air from 7-9 p.m. weeknights, plus sports programming on weekend afternoons, so even if 4&17 do lose FOX, they'll still have their current lineup of syndicated programming. (If they were to switch to the CW+, they'd have to drop all the syndicated shows and carry the CW+ 24/7 lineup.)

Online TV listings go out two weeks and still show KTVG carrying FOX on Sunday 2/1, but listings are sometimes wrong.

Keep in mind that FOX programming is only on the air from 7-9 p.m. weeknights, plus sports programming on weekend afternoons, so even if 4&17 do lose FOX, they'll still have their current lineup of syndicated programming. (If they were to switch to the CW+, they'd have to drop all the syndicated shows and carry the CW+ 24/7 lineup.)

Interesting. So, I wonder what they'll fill the remaining 22 hours with on 10.2/11.2 especially since that page as of last night said MyTV would go to .3? Now I see that the FOX 1011 page is pretty much empty.

Probably was put up prematurely and 10-11 wasn't actually intending it to be public.

From what I could tell, looked like a lot of the daytime programming that had been on MyTV would be on Fox 10-11.

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I stumbled across this page.

http://www.kolnkgin.com/fox1011

When I click on the link it takes me to the site map. Is it possible that they already removed this page/article?

When I click on the link it takes me to the site map. Is it possible that they already removed this page/article?

I guess so. Yesterday it went to a page about "Fox 10/11" which would be on 10-2 and 11-2.

- Trip

Yep, they realized their mistake. But Google still has a cached version:

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:UMqxc7pmhhsJ:www.kolnkgin.com/fox1011+KOLN+FOX&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

did you read what I posted? 16-18 are education related channels, so every school would need a digital box for every tv = less for regular paying customers. I think they have a better shot of moving some of the 25-70 tier channels to digital.


channel 16 is NET 2 (it is on channel 26.2 in the Omaha area on broadcast)



channel 17 isnt exactly a educational channel.

a friend of mine told me they air the OEA awards show

and a sports show that is done at Indigo Joe's

not to mention WTV

(I mean, tell me, what they has to do with education?)

channel 16 is NET 2 (it is on channel 26.2 in the Omaha area on broadcast)



channel 17 isnt exactly a educational channel.

a friend of mine told me they air the OEA awards show

and a sports show that is done at Indigo Joe's

not to mention WTV

(I mean, tell me, what they has to do with education?)
WTV is Westside's news show which is school related. The reason I said 16-18 are education 16 has state legislature 17 has old shows about Omahha/WTV othe OPS shows channel 18 is more a city county channel.

Here's the new FOX 10/11 Logo in case you missed it:

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/6526/largefox1011logoox8.jpg

Yep, they realized their mistake. But Google still has a cached version:

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:UMqxc7pmhhsJ:www.kolnkgin.com/fox1011+KOLN+FOX&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

Nice. Google rules.
Way to go 10/11. Great place to keep your secrets is WWW. Bring it on.

Sportsman Channel went live on 605 for DIRECTV users.

Comedy is now in HD on 249. I think Cox already had that.

I still can't believe DTV hasn't added ESPNUHD

I was flipping channels last night and I noticed that ABC was broadcasting 1080i? I thought they were 720p? It was consistent on my QAM tuner and my OTA tuner. Did they change to 1080i?

Sportsman Channel went live on 605 for DIRECTV users.

Comedy is now in HD on 249. I think Cox already had that.

I still can't believe DTV hasn't added ESPNUHD

ComedyHD golive on cox on 1.28-09.

I still can't believe DTV hasn't added ESPNUHD

I know... I wonder if tonight's game with OU would be in HD... if DirecTV had worked things out with Disney for ESPNUHD.

Cox doesn't have ESPNUHD yet either.

I was flipping channels last night and I noticed that ABC was broadcasting 1080i? I thought they were 720p? It was consistent on my QAM tuner and my OTA tuner. Did they change to 1080i?

I know some of the Belo and Hearst ABC stations are converting the 720p to 1080i for purposes of syndicated programming and/or HD local news...

- Trip

I know some of the Belo and Hearst ABC stations are converting the 720p to 1080i for purposes of syndicated programming and/or HD local news...

- Trip

Well, KETV is Hearst, so that would make add up...

I know some of the Belo and Hearst ABC stations are converting the 720p to 1080i for purposes of syndicated programming and/or HD local news...

- TripThanks. I have a feeling it was just for last night ABC coverage of the inagural ball. I will check tonight.

Nice. Google rules.
Way to go 10/11. Great place to keep your secrets is WWW. Bring it on.
Here's more evidence... http://www.fox1011.com redirects to the KOLN/KGIN web site.

Here's some of their schedule outside of primetime:
http://media.graytvinc.com/images/FoxShows.gif

Now we just wait to hear what the deal is... Like I said before, I hope it's sooner rather than later (like Feb. 1).

In looking at the maps posted on page 228 of this thread I see an issue for me. How's a guy supposed to get OTA HD NBC in Gage County? Super Bowl only 10 days away and no available NBC HD (Dish Network) and my deep fringe Channel Master sometimes gets WOWT but rather infrequently. Any word if WOWT is going to crank up the power after DTV day (I know it's after the game, but late HD is better than no HD)?

:confused::confused:

http://northpine.com/broadcast/index.html

NEBRASKA:
A page on the KOLN/KGIN website indicates FOX is about to find a new home in Lincoln and the Tri-Cities, on Gray Television's KOLN-DT/10.2 (Lincoln) and satellite KGIN-DT/11.2 (Grand Island).


The market's current FOX affiliates are KTVG/17 (Grand Island) and satellite KSNB/4 (Superior), which are operated by Pappas Telecasting. No date for the new station's launch is listed.



The website says "FOX 10/11" local and syndicated programming will include 10/11 News, Husker Basketball, Nebraska Wesleyan football,

Mike & Juliet, Scrubs, Millionaire, George Lopez, Oprah, Access Hollywood, and Cheers.


"MyTV" will move to 10.3 and 11.3, but listings on the "FOX 10/11" page indicate FOX will replace MyTV on cable and satellite providers.


KOLN/KGIN is a primary CBS affiliate;

Pappas also runs ABC affiliates KHGI/13 (Kearney) and KWNB/6 (Hayes Center) and CW+ affiliate KCWL/51 (Lincoln).


Update: access to the page has now been blocked, but Google has a cached version. (1/20/2009)



http://northpine.com/broadcast/index.html




billiefan2000 note:


if channel 10 can have a 3rd station,

isnt it possible for KETV or WOWT in Omaha to have a 3rd station


or even KMTV to have a tv station on channel 3.2

In looking at the maps posted on page 228 of this thread I see an issue for me. How's a guy supposed to get OTA HD NBC in Gage County? Super Bowl only 10 days away and no available NBC HD (Dish Network) and my deep fringe Channel Master sometimes gets WOWT but rather infrequently. Any word if WOWT is going to crank up the power after DTV day (I know it's after the game, but late HD is better than no HD)?

:confused::confused:

WOWT is already at maximum power as far as I know since their DTV 22 signal is unaffected by shutting off analog 6, aside from the opportunity to move higher on the tower (I think). Also with Gage County being in the Lincoln market KHAS would actually be your local... WOWT has little reason to expand further (even if they could) since Gage County is outside their DMA. Now, I wonder if there's any chance Dish Network will add KHAS HD before the Super Bowl... has anyone contacted them about it? Otherwise your best bet may be to find a sports bar with HD (Charter Cable in Beatrice carries WOWT HD).

In looking at the maps posted on page 228 of this thread I see an issue for me. How's a guy supposed to get OTA HD NBC in Gage County? Super Bowl only 10 days away and no available NBC HD (Dish Network) and my deep fringe Channel Master sometimes gets WOWT but rather infrequently. Any word if WOWT is going to crank up the power after DTV day (I know it's after the game, but late HD is better than no HD)?

:confused::confused:

You're probably screwed if your antenna can't reach WOWT. Dish and KHAS need to negotiate a deal - there's a lot of people in your predicament. My Dish friends are pissed too. A buddy called KHAS - they told him the ball is in Dish's court, not theirs. Maybe you can call Dish, and request a national NBC feed, since they're not providing it, and you're too far from any NBC station to receive it via antenna? Not sure if you still have to get a waiver from WOWT like the old days (they usually said no). Just a thought...

Now we just wait to hear what the deal is... Like I said before, I hope it's sooner rather than later (like Feb. 1).

I've heard a rumor for March 1st for 10/11 to start running FOX. This is from the same source I originally heard about FOX and 10/11.
I think it has something to do with a date certain equipment has to be installed by.

You're probably screwed if your antenna can't reach WOWT. Dish and KHAS need to negotiate a deal - there's a lot of people in your predicament. My Dish friends are pissed too. A buddy called KHAS - they told him the ball is in Dish's court, not theirs. Maybe you can call Dish, and request a national NBC feed, since they're not providing it, and you're too far from any NBC station to receive it via antenna? Not sure if you still have to get a waiver from WOWT like the old days (they usually said no). Just a thought...

Is KHAS the only local missing in HD on Dish in the Hastings/Lincoln market? I didn't think any locals were available on Dish in Hastings/Lincoln. I didn't even think Omaha was up in HD on Dish yet.
I don't see how Dish can offer you a waiver when it's them that is dragging their feet. Directv doesn't seem to have a problem with Hastings/Lincoln market HD locals.

On the waiver issue, I think it would have to be from KHAS since Gage county is their DMA. And since KHAS is already provided on Dish (in SD anyway) I doubt they would give it.

Is KHAS the only local missing in HD on Dish in the Hastings/Lincoln market? I didn't think any locals were available on Dish in Hastings/Lincoln. I didn't even think Omaha was up in HD on Dish yet.
I don't see how Dish can offer you a waiver when it's them that is dragging their feet. Directv doesn't seem to have a problem with Hastings/Lincoln market HD locals.


Oooops! My bad. I see they were added on Oct. 23.

Oooops! My bad. I see they were added on Oct. 23.

Only HD locals on Dish right now in the Lincoln DMA are KLKN and KOLN. KHAS, KHGI, and KSNB are on there, too, but only in SD. The *really* unfortunate thing is that you have to have a separate dish from what most of us had installed originally. Dish has decided that Lincoln (and Omaha) are "Eastern Arc" markets, and thus the HD locals are going to be on the 61.5 bird. Most of the original installs in this area probably pointed at 110/119/129, so you have to either have another dish mounted to point at 61.5 to get them, or move one of your existing dishes to point at it. Someone who does Dish installs can probably explain better than I can...

That said, I did have the wing dish installed and they do look pretty darn good. Still glad I put up an antenna, though, as I like catching the Omaha news (and NBC and FOX in HD). :)

Is KHAS the only local missing in HD on Dish in the Hastings/Lincoln market? I didn't think any locals were available on Dish in Hastings/Lincoln. I didn't even think Omaha was up in HD on Dish yet.
I don't see how Dish can offer you a waiver when it's them that is dragging their feet. Directv doesn't seem to have a problem with Hastings/Lincoln market HD locals.

On the waiver issue, I think it would have to be from KHAS since Gage county is their DMA. And since KHAS is already provided on Dish (in SD anyway) I doubt they would give it.
Not sure if it will help but I also live in Gage County and have DirecTv. KHAS granted me a waiver last summer for the NYC HD feed and didn't rescind it when they went HD.

Not sure if it will help but I also live in Gage County and have DirecTv. KHAS granted me a waiver last summer for the NYC HD feed and didn't rescind it when they went HD.

Right. That's why I suggested going that route. Perhaps Dish would do the same.

My bad, I thought Gage was in the Omaha DMA since its abit closer to Omaha than Hastings, but this is even better yet. There's no way anyone in Gage could receive a KHAS signal without extraordinary means, so they'd have to grant a waiver. If Dish isn't going to provide KHAS HD, which is available on cable and Direct, to someone who can't receive it OTA, then my thinking is they should provide a national feed to that someone. Or easier yet, just work out a deal with KHAS and get it out to everyone, problem solved. Everyone who has Dish should call or email them daily to jam their servers and phone banks. Or not.

Only HD locals on Dish right now in the Lincoln DMA are KLKN and KOLN. KHAS, KHGI, and KSNB are on there, too, but only in SD. The *really* unfortunate thing is that you have to have a separate dish from what most of us had installed originally. Dish has decided that Lincoln (and Omaha) are "Eastern Arc" markets, and thus the HD locals are going to be on the 61.5 bird. Most of the original installs in this area probably pointed at 110/119/129, so you have to either have another dish mounted to point at 61.5 to get them, or move one of your existing dishes to point at it. Someone who does Dish installs can probably explain better than I can...

This could all change, but according to a SatelliteGuys.US uplink report from last week, Dish has uplinked KOLN, KGIN, KHAS and KTVG in HD on a new satellite going to the 129 slot. The channels are not yet available to subscribers.

http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-network-uplink-center/161226-uplink-activity-report-1-14-2009-1-02am-418-changes.html

This could all change, but according to a SatelliteGuys.US uplink report from last week, Dish has uplinked KOLN, KGIN, KHAS and KTVG in HD on a new satellite going to the 129 slot. The channels are not yet available to subscribers.

http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-network-uplink-center/161226-uplink-activity-report-1-14-2009-1-02am-418-changes.html

Yeah...I've seen that, too. However, that may just be a short-term thing until they move more subscribers over to the EA satellites. That, and that's just testing right now anyway. Hard to know with Dish (sometimes I'm not sure they even know... :-P ).

http://journalstar.com/articles/2009/01/21/living/gz/video_games/doc4977a2b0e1898215560118.txt

Right, so they bought a domain name, came up with a schedule, built a website with specific details about where "Fox 10/11" will be, and tested a third stream on their digital station all in an "experimental project."

Right. I believe that. I also believe that JFK was killed by aliens who conspired with the Illuminati.

- Trip

That's probably what they have to say right now contractually. However, I agree with you that the spokesperson was not very forthcoming (although I would say he stopped short of lying). Lets put it this way...while I'm sure that's what the "official line" is, I would be very surprised if we didn't see Fox 10/11 before the summer. I, for one, am all for it.

Now if we could just get KLKN to broadcast NBC on 8.2 and move RTN to 8.3, Lincoln would be all set (since KHAS can't reach to Lincoln anyway even though they're the same market).

...or if KHAS could be persuaded to launch a translator in Lincoln. When Fox goes to 10.2 then it would seem that KTVG's CPs for digital 47/49 (and existing analog 18/35) would be unnecessary, depending on what replacement programming KTVG comes up with. (My guess would be CW, and that's already on 51.) So rather than duplicate programming or let the CPs expire, sell one to Hoak Media and get NBC HD on the air in Lincoln...

That would work, too. Not that I don't like WOWT...but it would be nice for a market of 250,000-300,000 people to have all 4 networks on its own, too... :-P

...or if KHAS could be persuaded to launch a translator in Lincoln. When Fox goes to 10.2 then it would seem that KTVG's CPs for digital 47/49 (and existing analog 18/35) would be unnecessary, depending on what replacement programming KTVG comes up with. (My guess would be CW, and that's already on 51.) So rather than duplicate programming or let the CPs expire, sell one to Hoak Media and get NBC HD on the air in Lincoln...

Also...if they did that, I sure hope they would do something with the 18/35. They must be broadcasting that with a coathanger antenna powered by 2 D batteries with the coverage it gets... :-P

could someone with a cox hd or hd/dvr check in the onscreen channel guide what it lists for channel 857. It should say SpikeHD, but mine says SpikdHD I already tried contacting cox, but they don't see any problem if other customers are having the same problem maybe we can get them to fix it.

Some of us out here in the hinterlands would like the four networks as well. KLKN with an NBC 8.2 (I can dream, can't I?) would fill the bill. While a translator would be good for Lincoln, it doesn't help much beyond that, not that I expect to be catered to.

could someone with a cox hd or hd/dvr check in the onscreen channel guide what it lists for channel 857.

Looks correct on both my boxes. DCT6416 and DCH3416.

Still seeing it or has it corrected?

Looks correct on both my boxes. DCT6416 and DCH3416.

Still seeing it or has it corrected?

it's still listed that way look at the pic in my earlier post

OK. I see it now. It is on my guides the way it shows in your pic.

OK. I see it now. It is on my guides the way it shows in your pic.

It's supposed to be fixed on Saturday.

Well, KETV is Hearst, so that would make add up...Well I checked again last night and the signal was 1080i OTA and QAM. It looks like the local station is doing a conversion to 1080i. Why would they do that?

Well I checked again last night and the signal was 1080i OTA and QAM. It looks like the local station is doing a conversion to 1080i. Why would they do that?

I know some of the Belo and Hearst ABC stations are converting the 720p to 1080i for purposes of syndicated programming and/or HD local news...

- Trip

Well, KETV is Hearst, so that would add up...

- Trip

So, ABC says they want to broadcast 720p because it's better for motion in sports (which I would agree with) but the local station just says "Nope. We're gonna mess with the signal a little to serve our interests but not really tell anyone. You may notice things 'look' a little different but Joe Blow won't notice so it's a done deal. You'll just have to go to a forum and find that out." I guess that's the thing I was questioning. I think it's disappointing.

I think it's more a question of equipment. If they want to do local news, for example, it's apparently cheaper and easier to find broadcast-quality 1080i equipment than it is to find 720p equipment (or so I've been told). Same goes for converting syndicated programming that is produced in 1080i to 720p. I'm not sure why that would be the case, that's just what I've been told by others.

- Trip

Only HD locals on Dish right now in the Lincoln DMA are KLKN and KOLN. KHAS, KHGI, and KSNB are on there, too, but only in SD.

Sounds like KHAS should be up in HD anytime now on Dish. I understand there is a new contract and it should be up as soon as Dish can do it. Someone told me they tend to do these changes on Tuesdays.

I think it's more a question of equipment. If they want to do local news, for example, it's apparently cheaper and easier to find broadcast-quality 1080i equipment than it is to find 720p equipment (or so I've been told). Same goes for converting syndicated programming that is produced in 1080i to 720p. I'm not sure why that would be the case, that's just what I've been told by others.

- Trip
I suppose I understand the economic perspective, I just think it's another case of them screwing with the signal. Sort of like the cable companies compressing the heck out of everything. That is one of the reasons that I went with OTA. But now I don't get the benefits of the 720p with motion. Oh well, just ranting.:mad:

When is Cox Omaha going to add more Hd? Many other Cox cities have the following hd channels Speed hd, Fox news hd, Weather channel hd,Comedy central hd, E hd, Cartoon hd, Fx hd. I really getting tired of Cox Omaha being so slow in adding hd, I want all these hd channels now!!!!

I think a group of us needs to complain to the Omaha city council.

When is Cox Omaha going to add more Hd? Many other Cox cities have the following hd channels Speed hd, Fox news hd, Weather channel hd,Comedy central hd, E hd, Cartoon hd, Fx hd. I really getting tired of Cox Omaha being so slow in adding hd, I want all these hd channels now!!!!

I think a group of us needs to complain to the Omaha city council.

we are getting ComedyHD at the end of January. You have to be kidding the city council is a laugh they signed on to the new stadium with only the CWS there.

Hey, at least you have Cox there. We've got Time-Warner Cable here in Lincoln. Believe me, you'd be begging to go back to Cox if you compared the two... For example, take a look at your lineup versus the Lincoln lineup here: TWC-Lincoln Lineup (http://www.timewarnercable.com/CustomerService/CLU/TWCCLUs.ashx?CLUID=196&Zip=&Image1.x=52&Image1.y=6&Image1=submit). I count 12 HD channels outside of the broadcast channels...

Hey, at least you have Cox there. We've got Time-Warner Cable here in Lincoln. Believe me, you'd be begging to go back to Cox if you compared the two... For example, take a look at your lineup versus the Lincoln lineup here: TWC-Lincoln Lineup (http://www.timewarnercable.com/CustomerService/CLU/TWCCLUs.ashx?CLUID=196&Zip=&Image1.x=52&Image1.y=6&Image1=submit). I count 12 HD channels outside of the broadcast channels...

If I could I would trade you acouple HD for Sleuth,Disney HD,Disney Channel Ondemand. What is Huskers PPV

While there's been a lot of talk about possibly delaying analog shutdown, it appears Gray is having none of it. They've notified the FCC that WOWT, KOLN and KGIN are shutting off analog "on or after" Feb. 16, and that 10/11 will switch to digital on channels 10 and 11 on Feb. 17.

Sources:

- WOWT: http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/prefill_and_display.pl?Application_id=1290140&Form_id=910&Facility_id=65528

- KOLN: http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/prefill_and_display.pl?Application_id=1290355&Form_id=910&Facility_id=7890

- KGIN: http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/prefill_and_display.pl?Application_id=1290352&Form_id=910&Facility_id=7894

EDIT: It looks as if the whole Gray chain is saying goodbye to analog by the original deadline, after checking filings from Gray stations in Illinois and Wisconsin.

Anyone notice KOLN/KGIN stretching their local evening news to fill the 16:9 screen? I saw this about 10-14 days ago. Is this going to be their normal behavior? I hope not!

I'm also suspicious of them carrying a second HD channel with acceptable picture quality. NETV and IPTV (Iowa) suffer greatly with their two sub channels almost destroying the main HD -1 feed. Their local HD sports productions are especially poorly affected. I think PQ on the FOX10/11 will be abysmal.

Other stations will probably do the same thing and go as planned, as it cost them tons of money in electricity bills to run both analog and digital at the same time.

One version of the bill in front of congress this week will allow stations to delay till june or go as planned with it being there call.

I hope they all go on time. Cant wait for the change.

People have been warned for a long time, some just ignore it. I know one on who ordered the Digital TV coupons then threw them away not using them. An other lost them. Its like loosing $40.

While there's been a lot of talk about possibly delaying analog shutdown, it appears Gray is having none of it. They've notified the FCC that WOWT, KOLN and KGIN are shutting off analog "on or after" Feb. 16, and that 10/11 will switch to digital on channels 10 and 11 on Feb. 17.

Sources:

- WOWT: http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/prefill_and_display.pl?Application_id=1290140&Form_id=910&Facility_id=65528

- KOLN: http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/prefill_and_display.pl?Application_id=1290355&Form_id=910&Facility_id=7890

- KGIN: http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/prefill_and_display.pl?Application_id=1290352&Form_id=910&Facility_id=7894

EDIT: It looks as if the whole Gray chain is saying goodbye to analog by the original deadline, after checking filings from Gray stations in Illinois and Wisconsin.

KOLN plans to use a better and newer encoder than what NETV has, they wont have any problem. NETV was on Digital sooner, they have older boxes. There parent station already does it in Oklahoma. The forums members there say it is good.

Anyone notice KOLN/KGIN stretching their local evening news to fill the 16:9 screen? I saw this about 10-14 days ago. Is this going to be their normal behavior? I hope not!

I'm also suspicious of them carrying a second HD channel with acceptable picture quality. NETV and IPTV (Iowa) suffer greatly with their two sub channels almost destroying the main HD -1 feed. Their local HD sports productions are especially poorly affected. I think PQ on the FOX10/11 will be abysmal.

I just bought a Samsung B260H tuner that is supposed to have QAM capabilities. I posted my question in the thread for the tuner:

I just picked up one of these tuners and I am trying to get the QAM tuner to work. I have removed everything in the signal path, e.g. extra splitters, power strip..., and I have done all three types of scans for cable and have had no luck at all. I even disconnected the cable that I have connected to a TV that is receiving QAM without a problem, did the scan(s) and got nothing. The only thing I can think of is that the QAM signals are somehow encrypted such that the Samsung tuner will not detect them. Could that be the case?

Are there certain types of signals that Omaha Cox sends out that might be able to be received by one thing (my Westinghouse TV tuner with clear QAM) and not by the Samsung? I have seen where others have used this tuner to successfully bring in QAM. Thanks.

I just bought a Samsung B260H tuner that is supposed to have QAM capabilities. I posted my question in the thread for the tuner:



Are there certain types of signals that Omaha Cox sends out that might be able to be received by one thing (my Westinghouse TV tuner with clear QAM) and not by the Samsung? I have seen where others have used this tuner to successfully bring in QAM. Thanks.

where did you get it? I can't even find any webpages on it.

Sorry, I got the model number wrong. It is the DTB-H260F. Best Buy sells them. Here is the link to the owner's manual: http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/UM/200610/20061012132223296_1012_DTB-H260F_MF68-00414A_book.pdf

Here's one response I got from the tuner thread:

Another possibility is your cable co's QAM ch's are in analog. The H260f will only tune in digital ch's via QAM or OTA. Anything in analog will not be seen by the H260f.

Are the QAM channels from Cox in analog?

Here's one response I got from the tuner thread:



Are the QAM channels from Cox in analog?

they should be digital

which rf connector are you using?

1 ANT OUT
Use to connect your TV using a coaxial cable. The
received RF signals from ANT / CABLE IN are bypassed
for analog channels.
2 ANT / CABLE IN
Connect the AIR antenna or CATV antenna here.
Connect the cable in the event that a local cable
provider is passing through 8-level Vestigial Sideband
(8VSB) and Quadrature Amplitude Modulation (QAM)
on their systems

The manual shows that the QAM tuner will tune channels 1 - 135.

I know that the channel numbers we see are mapped channels, so they do not equate. However, I am wondering how far up the spectrum channel 135 is and if the digital channels that are in the clear are above the frequency that this box can tune.

I may be all wrong, but that could explain why one tuner can find the Clear QAM channels and another cannot.

they should be digital

which rf connector are you using?

1 ANT OUT
Use to connect your TV using a coaxial cable. The
received RF signals from ANT / CABLE IN are bypassed
for analog channels.
2 ANT / CABLE IN
Connect the AIR antenna or CATV antenna here.
Connect the cable in the event that a local cable
provider is passing through 8-level Vestigial Sideband
(8VSB) and Quadrature Amplitude Modulation (QAM)
on their systems
I'm using the ANT / CABLE IN

The manual shows that the QAM tuner will tune channels 1 - 135.

I know that the channel numbers we see are mapped channels, so they do not equate. However, I am wondering how far up the spectrum channel 135 is and if the digital channels that are in the clear are above the frequency that this box can tune.

I may be all wrong, but that could explain why one tuner can find the Clear QAM channels and another cannot.The QAM HD stations are between 105.1 and 108.2.

IPG upgrades delayed again

since they didn't launch overnite I contacted them and they said they have no plans to upgrade the ipg's go figure.

KTVG FOX 17 is now available on DirecTV in HD. DirecTV now offers the big 5 networks in HD plus MyTV and CW in the Lincoln, Hastings, Kearney DMA.

So much for the KOLN getting Fox rumor. I would thin*K* DirecTV would not spend the money up linking the HD feed if it were not going to stay there.
Anyone heard anything more on KOLNs new sub channel?

KTVG FOX 17 is now available on DirecTV in HD. DirecTV now offers the big 5 networks in HD plus MyTV and CW in the Lincoln, Hastings, Kearney DMA.

So much for the KOLN getting Fox rumor. I would thing DirecTV would not spend the money up linking the HD feed if it were not going to stay there.
Anyone heard anything more on KOLNs new sub channel?

I recall one of the satellite companies actually lit up the HD on the former Fox affiliate in Beaumont TX AFTER the affiliation was lost because they didn't know it had moved.

The rumors still stand.

- Trip

So much for the KOLN getting Fox rumor. I would thin*K* DirecTV would not spend the money up linking the HD feed if it were not going to stay there.

They can easily switch the HD feed to a new FOX affiliate if needed. They are carrying KTVG because it is the current affiliate and they want to have FOX in HD.

While here we get the Lincoln stations better, we're apparently in the Topeka DMA (the DMA map on Rabbitears not withstanding), so if we choose the locals Diode (local franchiser)/DirecTV give us Topeka. I mulling whether I'd rather keep the east/west coast network feeds at $12/month or go for the locals. My question is whether DirecTV also passes the sub channels along or just the primary channel?

While here we get the Lincoln stations better, we're apparently in the Topeka DMA (the DMA map on Rabbitears not withstanding), so if we choose the locals Diode (local franchiser)/DirecTV give us Topeka. I mulling whether I'd rather keep the east/west coast network feeds at $12/month or go for the locals. My question is whether DirecTV also passes the sub channels along or just the primary channel?

For the Hastings-Lincoln DMA, Directv provides KOLN subchannel 10.2 on Channel 25. But they do not provide subchannels for KLKN (8.2) or the pbs subchannels (29.2, 29.3). Not sure what they provide the Topeka DMA, but I know they list the locals they provide on their website (Directv.com)

(the DMA map on Rabbitears not withstanding)

I don't use the DMA system anymore. Wikipedia was threatened with a lawsuit over their use of DMAs, so I began generating my own markets. I apologize if some of them are off, they're supposed to be based on OTA coverage, and I know they have inaccuracies in them.

For the Hastings-Lincoln DMA, Directv provides KOLN subchannel 10.2 on Channel 25. But they do not provide subchannels for KLKN (8.2) or the pbs subchannels (29.2, 29.3). Not sure what they provide the Topeka DMA, but I know they list the locals they provide on their website (Directv.com)

Don't look for 29-2 or 29-3 any time soon. As I recall, PBS stations can only have their main feed carried in HD, per an agreement with the satellite companies. The subchannels may be carried on a national bases (World and Create are both national subchannels).

- Trip

Regarding the MNT channel 25 on DirecTV - anybody know why they aren't delivering the correct program guide information? Drives me nuts.

So now it sounds like they will try to delay the analog shut off date again... I know WOWT is still going by the Feb 17th date, but what about the other stations? Anyone have info on them?

Any station Engineers out there readying this, Please shut off Analog Feb 17th as planned, you have that option under the new Bill.

I would think ALL stations that are running both a UHF and a VHF station will go on time. It costs the stations Thousands to run both and all stations are owned by companies interested in making a profit. If they don't make a profit they could lay you or your co workers off.

Even the non profits like PBS do not have funds to keep both going till summer. They did not fund raise the money for it.

Any station Engineers out there readying this, Please shut off Analog Feb 17th as planned, you have that option under the new Bill.

I would think ALL stations that are running both a UHF and a VHF station will go on time. It costs the stations Thousands to run both and all stations are owned by companies interested in making a profit. If they don't make a profit they could lay you or your co workers off.

Even the non profits like PBS do not have funds to keep both going till summer. They did not fund raise the money for it.



like the engineers really have a say.