Yes, and for Cox Omaha a cable card is $3.00/month.

Actually, CableCards are $1.99 per month, per Cox website:

http://ww2.cox.com/residential/omaha/tv/pricing.cox

Just can't find TVs with slots anymore. Sigh!

Actually, CableCards are $1.99 per month, per Cox website:

http://ww2.cox.com/residential/omaha/tv/pricing.cox

Just can't find TVs with slots anymore. Sigh!

Thanks for the correction, I think some where along the way they dropped the price, I've had one in my Sony TV for years. I'm also still thinking about a Prime or Ceton (that uses cable card) but waiting for the price on the tuners to fall (hopefully).

At least Clear QAM tuners are still being made. All of Cox's digital channels listed under "Starter TV" are Clear QAM, with the exception of Jewelry TV (not a channel I watched when it was analog last year). I am anxious to see what Cox will do next year when the requirement to broadcast analog cable is dropped. If Cox decides to drop the analog channels, how many digital channels will still be Clear QAM and on what tiers? There is no indication on their web site of what they intend to do in the future. I hope they are sensitive to what people have for equipment and what people want for service. Otherwise, there may be a few people shopping around with Dish and Direct, which may cause loss of customers on the cable side.

NEBRASKA:

Meanwhile, the FCC has granted Daystar's plan to flash-cut KOHA-LP/48 (Omaha) from analog to digital on its current channel.

KOHA, which is off the air, had a construction permit for digital on channel 47, but it has expired. (10/13/2011)

http://northpine.com/broadcast/index.html


I cant wait for KOHA to finally be on the air btw.

At some point recently cox added an HD alternate feed for the BTN on 1081.

At some point recently cox added an HD alternate feed for the BTN on 1081.

They added it Friday morning probably to make up for no BTN2go

They added it Friday morning probably to make up for no BTN2go

I didn't notice 1081 when a scanned a week or two ago but 81 was coming in and showing the same shows/games as 80 so I deleted it.

I didn't notice 1081 when a scanned a week or two ago but 81 was coming in and showing the same shows/games as 80 so I deleted it.

81and 82 are overflow channels used when BTN is airing more than one football game.

someone told me they heard that the country network will be on 3.3 in omaha as of january

is that true

someone told me they heard that the country network will be on 3.3 in omaha as of january

is that true

I haven't heard anything. If it's true most likely not on cox.

I haven't heard anything. If it's true most likely not on cox.

who cares if it's on cox.

at least it's one more broadcast choice for those who dont have satellite or cable if country network is coming to channel 3.3

At least Clear QAM tuners are still being made. All of Cox's digital channels listed under "Starter TV" are Clear QAM, with the exception of Jewelry TV (not a channel I watched when it was analog last year). I am anxious to see what Cox will do next year when the requirement to broadcast analog cable is dropped. If Cox decides to drop the analog channels, how many digital channels will still be Clear QAM and on what tiers? There is no indication on their web site of what they intend to do in the future. I hope they are sensitive to what people have for equipment and what people want for service.They will probably end up doing what Comcast did; eliminate all the analog except for locals, gov/edu/public service, shopping, and leave the same channels in SD QAM clear, w/locals in HD too. At some point the analog channels will also be eliminated.

Otherwise, there may be a few people shopping around with Dish and Direct, which may cause loss of customers on the cable side.When Cox customers realize that with DBS providers they need a box for any channels on every TV, and have to sign a two year contract, they usually have second thoughts about switching, unless they are already in cord-cutting mood.

who cares if it's on cox.


Maybe those who read this topic and subscribe to Cox?

They will probably end up doing what Comcast did; eliminate all the analog except for locals, gov/edu/public service, shopping, and leave the same channels in SD QAM clear, w/locals in HD too. At some point the analog channels will also be eliminated.

When Cox customers realize that with DBS providers they need a box for any channels on every TV, and have to sign a two year contract, they usually have second thoughts about switching, unless they are already in cord-cutting mood.

Until the DBS and cable provide the same channels each has it's good and bad points.

who cares if it's on cox.

at least it's one more broadcast choice for those who dont have satellite or cable if country network is coming to channel 3.3

Cox customers can't receive OTA or have you forgot. If WOWT couldn't get Cox to carry it. Doesn't sound good

They will probably end up doing what Comcast did; eliminate all the analog except for locals, gov/edu/public service, shopping, and leave the same channels in SD QAM clear, w/locals in HD too. At some point the analog channels will also be eliminated.

When Cox customers realize that with DBS providers they need a box for any channels on every TV, and have to sign a two year contract, they usually have second thoughts about switching, unless they are already in cord-cutting mood.



speaking of public access channels, why is most of channel 22's programs not local anymore. it is from Free Speech TV

(a far left and outside Omaha area based tv station

I thought public access channels 22 and 109 were only allowed to air local shows, not other cable channels programs

Cox customers can't receive OTA or have you forgot. If WOWT couldn't get Cox to carry it. Doesn't sound good


that is cause cox dont want there to be more broadcast choices.

they wouldnt like there to be a 3.3 or 6.3 or 7.3 or 15.3 or 42.4 to happen cause they want people to be dependent on them for tv station choices

speaking of public access channels, why is most of channel 22's programs not local anymore. it is from Free Speech TV

(a far left and outside Omaha area based tv station

I thought public access channels 22 and 109 were only allowed to air local shows, not other cable channels programs

Does dish or directv even do public access? If you have a problem bring it to the city council.

Maybe those who read this topic and subscribe to Cox?
AKA 95% of the Omaha posters in this thread.

that is cause cox dont want there to be more broadcast choices.

they wouldnt like there to be a 3.3 or 6.3 or 7.3 or 15.3 or 42.4 to happen cause they want people to be dependent on them for tv station choicesDream on.

There is no comparison between what's available OTA and what Cox carries. A few very minor channels one way or the other does not make any difference to the average consumer. Either they can afford and want a multichannel provider, or they can't afford or don't want a multichannel provider.

Until the DBS and cable provide the same channels each has it's good and bad points.
Absolutely, but the assumption is subscribers already made that decision and are with a provider for their own reasons.

Having analog channels in the clear is usually not a deal breaker for most that subscribe to cable. For some perhaps, but like I said, once they realize they would still need a box for all TV's by switching to DBS, what is the advantage of switching? At least with cable they can get local HD and a few other channels without a box.

Cox customers can't receive OTA or have you forgot. If WOWT couldn't get Cox to carry it. Doesn't sound good

Just curious. Does Cox make you sign a contract barring you from watching OTA as well? Do they have some system monitoring customers' sets to enforce.

I have cable (not Cox) and OTA on most of our sets. Our cable company has no problem with it at all.

Just curious. Does Cox make you sign a contract barring you from watching OTA as well? Do they have some system monitoring customers' sets to enforce.

I have cable (not Cox) and OTA on most of our sets. Our cable company has no problem with it at all.

How do you get your OTA
Signal to your tv?

Your cable signal?

With the DTV signal you need a box on old analog boxes also

Or older style tv's with one input

It's not cox , but the limitations of the tv.

Dream on.

There is no comparison between what's available OTA and what Cox carries. A few very minor channels one way or the other does not make any difference to the average consumer. Either they can afford and want a multichannel provider, or they can't afford or don't want a multichannel provider.


cox said they didnt want to carry the country network and wowt caved in and put a weather channel no one watches in it's place

cox said they didnt want to carry the country network and wowt caved in and put a weather channel no one watches in it's place

If in fact KMTV does add the Country Network according to my post on country networks wall cox will add it .

If in fact KMTV does add the Country Network according to my post on country networks wall cox will add it .


does cox have to add it first, or does 3.3 have to become the country network first

does cox have to add it first, or does 3.3 have to become the country network first

How can cox add it first? KMTV needs to give cox the signal.

When Cox customers realize that with DBS providers they need a box for any channels on every TV, and have to sign a two year contract, they usually have second thoughts about switching, unless they are already in cord-cutting mood.
That's only true with DirecTV. With Dish Network, you can run multiple TV's off of one box (granted, only in SD). Each box only has two tuners, so it's not like you can have one box and watch different programming in three other rooms, but you can have TV's in every room hooked up to a single Dish box.

You can hdmi and component w coax or optical out of a directv box. Same channel in multiple rooms though.

What are the monthly costs per box SD/HD/DVR? Plus with cable no upfront 100 for HD HDDVR

cox said they didnt want to carry the country network and wowt caved in and put a weather channel no one watches in it's placeWhere did you learn this?

That's only true with DirecTV. With Dish Network, you can run multiple TV's off of one box (granted, only in SD). Each box only has two tuners, so it's not like you can have one box and watch different programming in three other rooms, but you can have TV's in every room hooked up to a single Dish box.
Right, but like you said, SD only, not to mention the wiring involved.

Where did you learn this?

I think he said it was on WOWT's Facebook page

I think he said it was on WOWT's Facebook page
That seems very unlikely.

That seems very unlikely.

why

why
Common sense says no one in their right mind working for WOWT would post something like that for starters.

Common sense says no one in their right mind working for WOWT would post something like that for starters.

Well whoever disused WOWT's facebook account I can't find the post now though

Well whoever disused WOWT's facebook account I can't find the post now though

I saw something out there about: 'There was an error in the TV guide listings [somewhere] that had the country network listed for a WOWT channel'.

I wonder if the tv guide error is what started this rumor, just a thought. Isn't the internet great!

I saw something out there about: 'There was an error in the TV guide listings [somewhere] that had the country network listed for a WOWT channel'.

I wonder if the tv guide error is what started this rumor, just a thought. Isn't the internet great!

I think it was on WOWT's website on the listings for 6.2 not tvguide.

Common sense says no one in their right mind working for WOWT would post something like that for starters.

Bing!

Give that man an El Producto.

How do you get your OTA
Signal to your tv?

(on the main set) The cable from the antenna is plugged into the antenna jack on the TV set. The set has a analog tuner and a DTV tuner built-in

Your cable signal?

The cable goes into an SD digital cable box provided by the cable company. The box goes to the S-Video and L/R audio inputs on the TV, which give better performance (no snow, stereo sound) than an RF hookup would (on our system, again, not Cox, there is no open HD coming from the cable, only proprietary HD for their own cable boxes - no HD from cable without a special HD box and a higher HD rate)

With the DTV signal you need a box on old analog boxes also

Not if the set in question has a built-in DTV tuner.

Or older style tv's with one input

NOW we need a box (TV in one of the bedrooms - only input is cable-ready analog tuner). Actual channel change is through the tuner on the VCR plugged into the TV. A DTV converter box is hooked to the AV input of the VCR. I programmed a learning remote so that the "power" and "volume" buttons work the TV, the "ch up", "ch dn" and individual number buttons control the VCR tuner, and the "menu up" and "menu down" buttons change the OTA DTV channel. Thus, everything can be changed without the need to press any function button on the remote (the primary user of this set has never been able to grasp the concept of the function buttons on a universal remote).

is BBC World News coming to cox cable? someone told me it is

is BBC World News coming to cox cable? someone told me it is

Haven't heard where did you hear it from?

Haven't heard where did you hear it from?

from a friend

is BBC World News coming to cox cable? someone told me it is
Do you mean in the area this topic covers?

BBC World News is already available on various Cox systems, has been for quite some time.

Do you mean in the area this topic covers?

BBC World News is already available on various Cox systems, has been for quite some time.

In Omaha it isn't

Is anyone in Lincoln seeing K18CD-D on the air? If so, what is it airing?

- Trip

My spectrum analyzer tells me there is a transmitter there.
I check on my TV when I get home after work.

Is anyone in Lincoln seeing K18CD-D on the air? If so, what is it airing?

- Trip

Looks to be a very pixellated and low-res bible station. Says K18CD-D and KWAZ-LP 35 LINCOLN down at the bottom. 3ABN network.

Looks to be a very pixellated and low-res bible station. Says K18CD-D and KWAZ-LP 35 LINCOLN down at the bottom. 3ABN network.
Ditto what Opusnbill7 said.
Very low power. I couldn't see the station in Agnew (15 miles), I had to bring a converter with me to work in Linclon.

Looks to be a very pixellated and low-res bible station. Says K18CD-D and KWAZ-LP 35 LINCOLN down at the bottom. 3ABN network.

EDIT:
Based on FCC records it looks like the 3ABN programming is "filler" just so as to meet FCC requirements for being on the air and avoiding cancellation of license. KWAZ is in the process of converting to digital as well. There has been no ownership change.

speaking of 3abn, any updates on 3abn 's omaha station moving to 25.1

KSNB is back on the air as well in the Superior area at very low power. Sounds like they intend to launch on channel 4 from the York area at full power by next spring, as a stand-alone full-service station.

KSNB is back on the air as well in the Superior area at very low power. Sounds like they intend to launch on channel 4 from the York area at full power by next spring, as a stand-alone full-service station.

Joel, where did you get that information that they were on the air? What programming are they carrying? Thanks :)

Joel, where did you get that information that they were on the air? What programming are they carrying? Thanks :)

FCC filing, via the FCC's TV Query under "Application List" for KSNB. The FCC does not track the programming and it was not mentioned in the filing.

FCC filing, via the FCC's TV Query under "Application List" for KSNB. The FCC does not track the programming and it was not mentioned in the filing.

Thanks Joel...found out on the FCC filing they resumed operations 11/17

Just found out from a friend in that area that they are broadcasting KHAS's programming. They're apparently using KRFS radio as their business office.

Thanks Joel...found out on the FCC filing they resumed operations 11/17

Just found out from a friend in that area that they are broadcasting KHAS's programming. They're apparently using KRFS radio as their business office.

Very interesting. Wonder if that has any implications as to future programming after moving to York and increasing power? The FCC filing indicated for the first time in its history, KSNB would have its own programming, though...

I am guessing the Ch 5 rebroadcast is just filler till they get everything up & running

Also...

KFXL has petitioned the FCC to move to channel 15 at 1,000,000 watts from the same tower in north Lincoln, adding 700,000 people to the coverage area. They'd presumably still show up as PSIP channel 51 due to KXVO.

http://www.fcc.gov/document/kfxl-tv-proposed-channel-substitution-lincoln-nebraska

Here's KSNB's "Resumption of Operations" https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101464757&formid=910&fac_num=21161

KPTM and DISH are in a retransmission dispute. Could lose KPTM's signal at midnight Thursday.

KOHA is on the air with Daystar programming. Still analog at this point.

Will there coverage area be increased by doing this? Any new coverage maps yet? They typically have to submit them with the FCC form.
How long do these changes take? Right now few can get this station so it will help many.

Also...

KFXL has petitioned the FCC to move to channel 15 at 1,000,000 watts from the same tower in north Lincoln, adding 700,000 people to the coverage area. They'd presumably still show up as PSIP channel 51 due to KXVO.

http://www.fcc.gov/document/kfxl-tv-proposed-channel-substitution-lincoln-nebraska

Will there coverage area be increased by doing this? Any new coverage maps yet? They typically have to submit them with the FCC form.
How long do these changes take? Right now few can get this station so it will help many.

I haven't seen any maps as the FCC seems to have a database error, yielding "Invalid input construction" on the TV Query. However, at a million watts from north Lincoln, and 700,000 people added, I'd say that means most of the Omaha area would be in the viewing area.

KOHA is on the air with Daystar programming. Still analog at this point.

I havent checked yet, but I hope you are right.

it's about time KOHA is finally on the air

I havent checked yet, but I hope you are right.

it's about time KOHA is finally on the air

just checked, and joel is right


after over 2 years of waiting KOHA is now on the air as of today!!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KOHA-LP

Jack Van Impe, Charles Stanley, Hal Lindsey, David Reagan among other good shows we get on broadcast here.



I know Daystar has some bad programs (the wof crowd)

but having Jack Van Impe, Charles Stanley, Hal Lindsey, David Reagan and Jeffrey Seif on broadcast tv in Omaha finally made my day today




meTv and Daystar on broadcast in Omaha = great broadcast tv in Omaha

Will there coverage area be increased by doing this? Any new coverage maps yet?

Current coverage: http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1313005&map=Y

Proposed coverage: http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1462780&map=Y

- Trip

Sure hope they finally broadcast in HD at that time, too... Would be really stupid not to, but you never know....

Would be nice if KFXL moved to VHF like the rest of lincoln. I live between Lincoln and Omaha and have an antenna pointed at each. Use a VHF/UHF combiner to merge the 2 antennas into 1 cable so I can have them all. I will be SOL on it still.

VHF High as so many known signal issues from interference w DTV. Airplains, the sun setting, even the neighbor and there microwave oven.

I used to get the Lincoln stations channel 10 and 8 in HD back when they were on there Temp UHF channels. Now there back on VHF High and there are issues.

I am the opposite. Live near OMaha and Hope they stay on UHF. I can still get the OMaha UHF stations as they are so strong , it still picks up pointed towards Lincoln.
I hope the Lincoln stations switch back to UHF.
They went with VHF to save on electrical costs over UHF. Most of the country is on UHF now for a reason- better signal for DTV.

I would like to know if KFXL's proposed expansion means we in Council Bluffs would get it too. What would happen to KPTM--would they give up Fox for MyNetwork on 42.1 and let This TV on 42.2 go on all the time?

I feel that KFXL should be allowed to brand itself as Channel 15 and KXVO should then be required to rebrand itself as Channel 38 since that's what they use anyway. Also, has WOWT ever considered a translator in Lincoln?

I would like to know if KFXL's proposed expansion means we in Council Bluffs would get it too. What would happen to KPTM--would they give up Fox for MyNetwork on 42.1 and let This TV on 42.2 go on all the time?

I feel that KFXL should be allowed to brand itself as Channel 15 and KXVO should then be required to rebrand itself as Channel 38 since that's what they use anyway. Also, has WOWT ever considered a translator in Lincoln?

Based on the coverage map Trip posted, it looks like KFXL would be hard to get outside of the western fringe of the Omaha area.

Also, because of market areas, and Lincoln/Hastings/Kearney being separate from Omaha, this would likely have no effect on any Omaha stations. The market definitions are also one reason Omaha stations don't have Lincoln translators. KHAS is "officially" Lincoln's NBC affiliate, though WOWT has more viewers in Lincoln due to being carried on cable as well as visible over the air in parts of the city. KPTM is Omaha's Fox affiliate and a Lincoln station isn't going to pull that away.

I would like to know if KFXL's proposed expansion means we in Council Bluffs would get it too. What would happen to KPTM--would they give up Fox for MyNetwork on 42.1 and let This TV on 42.2 go on all the time?

I feel that KFXL should be allowed to brand itself as Channel 15 and KXVO should then be required to rebrand itself as Channel 38 since that's what they use anyway. Also, has WOWT ever considered a translator in Lincoln?



one would hope it isnt just Elkhorn/Gretna and maybe all the way to Millard West High School area that gets KFXL, but all of Omaha and also CB and Bellevue.

I live in mid-town and u cant get any stations from Lincoln, no matter how hard u try.


that might be a good idea for My Network to go to 42.1 except for one small problem:


Cox Cable wouldnt allow KFXL to be on basic lineup. they refuse to add new channels on their 2-70 lineup.

that would mean, if KFXL became Omaha/Lincoln's fox station: it's bye,bye Fox Programs for those who only get channels 2-70 on cox cable

that might be a good idea for My Network to go to 42.1 except for one small problem:

Cox Cable wouldnt allow KFXL to be on basic lineup. they refuse to add new channels on their 2-70 lineup.

that would mean, if KFXL became Omaha/Lincoln's fox station: it's bye,bye Fox Programs for those who only get channels 2-70 on cox cable

Not going to happen. And this has nothing to do with Cox (nor is it even their reason for not adding channels if it were). Omaha and Lincoln are not the same market area, and haven't been since 1954.

Not going to happen. And this has nothing to do with Cox (nor is it even their reason for not adding channels if it were). Omaha and Lincoln are not the same market area, and haven't been since 1954.

u are right. omaha and lincoln are seperate markets, however

that is true cox dont want to add new channels between 2 and 70. why else was channel 4 moved to 120 and meTV isnt allowed to air on basic lineup (which it should)

u are right. omaha and lincoln are seperate markets, however

that is true cox dont want to add new channels between 2 and 70. why else was channel 4 moved to 120 and meTV isnt allowed to air on basic lineup (which it should)

There's no reason why they would add new analog channels since that's being phased out. Keep in mind you're posting on a forum for HDTV enthusiasts so you won't find much sympathy for anything having to do with increasing analog channels... most will instead be cheering for that technology to be phased out all together, which is already taking place, just not in Omaha yet. When that happens, "basic cable" will be a digital service, using low-bandwidth standard definition streams that take up very little "space". Then it's possible all the OTA subchannels will be part of a basic package, but no, in the meantime, you're not going to see them added in analog. (I suppose if there were to be a major affiliation swap, or a major new network offering -- which MeTV is not -- then I'm sure cable providers would reflect it in their legacy analog product, but only as long as necessary until the analog technology can be fully retired... Otherwise, any changes will be digital only. Anything else is counter-intuitive -- I've explained this a number of times before. It's the future. It'll make room for faster data and more HD channel offerings, both of which are good things for cable subscribers.

There's no reason why they would add new analog channels since that's being phased out. Keep in mind you're posting on a forum for HDTV enthusiasts so you won't find much sympathy for anything having to do with increasing analog channels... most will instead be cheering for that technology to be phased out all together, which is already taking place, just not in Omaha yet. When that happens, "basic cable" will be a digital service, using low-bandwidth standard definition streams that take up very little "space". Then it's possible all the OTA subchannels will be part of a basic package, but no, in the meantime, you're not going to see them added in analog. (I suppose if there were to be a major affiliation swap, or a major new network offering -- which MeTV is not -- then I'm sure cable providers would reflect it in their legacy analog product, but only as long as necessary until the analog technology can be fully retired... Otherwise, any changes will be digital only. Anything else is counter-intuitive -- I've explained this a number of times before. It's the future. It'll make room for faster data and more HD channel offerings, both of which are good things for cable subscribers.
You are right on the money.

And along those lines...

From Multichannel News
NCTA to FCC: Let All-Digital MSOs Encrypt Basic Tier

Cable Group Files Comments With Agency

By John Eggerton

The National Cable & Telecommunications Association has urged the Federal Communications Commission to allow cable operators that have gone all digital to encrypt their basic tier.

That came in comments Monday on the FCC's proposal to do just that. "Given the substantial public interest benefits and the lack of harms associated with encryption, NCTA endorses the Commission's tentative conclusions and urges it to act expeditiously in amending its rules," according to the cable organization.

It added that allowing basic encryption would largely eliminate theft of service, promote innovation and investment, and reduce polution and fuel consumption by reducing truck rolls to activate or deactivate service (NCTA said Monday that the benefits would outweigh the minimal extra watts consumed by new boxes).

Cable operators also argued that the competition has no similar ban on encryption. "When the encryption rule was adopted in 1994, cable was the dominant MVPD, and there were few competitors," said NCTA. "The situation is dramatically different today. DBS and telco IPTV providers -- each requiring set-top boxes for each of their subscribers -- serve approximately 40% of the marketplace with all-digital service on a fully encrypted basis. Likewise, online video distributors deliver video to customers on an encrypted basis. Netflix alone has 23.8 million subscribers, more than any MVPD. None of these video providers is barred from encrypting or otherwise protecting the content they provide to their customers."
As Multichannel News first reported back in October, FCC chairman Julius Genachowski proposed allowing all cable operators to encrypt digital basic channels, given that the TV industry is going all-digital and that the move would had consumer, environmental and theft-protection benefits.

The commission officially voted Oct. 13 to propose that change and put it out for comment. "We tentatively conclude that allowing cable operators to encrypt the basic service tier in all-digital systems will not substantially affect compatibility between cable service and consumer electronics equipment for most subscribers," the commission said. The FCC has already granted several waivers -- most prominently to Cablevision -- and more are in the hopper from cable operators.

The FCC conceded there was an issue with consumers with basic-only digital who accessed it without set-tops, or second or third sets without digital boxes that would now need new equipment to unscramble a signal. It proposed adopting the conditions it put on the waiver it gave Cablevision to encrypt its basic service in New York.

Those conditions include requiring cable operators to offer "current basic-only subscribers up to two set-top boxes or CableCARDs without charge for up to two years, (b) digital subscribers who have an additional television set currently receiving basic-only service one set-top box or CableCARD without charge for one year, and (c) current qualified low-income basic-only subscribers up to two set-top boxes or CableCARDs without charge for five years." But it also asked whether this was adequate of whether the Cablevision time frames are appropriate.

NCTA had some tweaks to the language of those conditions, but said it had not quarrel with their substance.
In other words, at some point in the relatively near future there will be no analog channels on cable systems, and all digital channels will be encrypted.

When that happens cableco's will carry all the local subchannels in digital standard definition, but you'll need a box to get them.

u are right. omaha and lincoln are seperate markets, however

that is true cox dont want to add new channels between 2 and 70. why else was channel 4 moved to 120 and meTV isnt allowed to air on basic lineup (which it should)

Why should MeTV be on analog? It's a digital sub channel not analog to begin with.

This is why I think Cable wants to dump Analog, I am sure many will differ.

If cable did away with ALL Analog channels in the 2-70 rang they could then Carry MORE channels than there Satellite competitors. Like all FOX regional Sports Nets channel live at the same time, Both HD Nets, Sony Movies, ect. ect.

Looking around town I sure do see a lot more Dishes from DirecTV and Dish going up lately. Maybe that's why the aggressive TV commercials about the Dish going down all the time during storms (never does for me as my Sat also has an over the air tuner for free locals)

Cable needs to add more channels. The could easily have double what Satellite has if they did not use all the band width on Analog.

But is not the reverse true, In Lincoln there cable has both Omaha and Lincoln TV stations.
In Omaha the same distance, they only have Omaha stations.


Not going to happen. And this has nothing to do with Cox (nor is it even their reason for not adding channels if it were). Omaha and Lincoln are not the same market area, and haven't been since 1954.

But is not the reverse true, In Lincoln there cable has both Omaha and Lincoln TV stations.
In Omaha the same distance, they only have Omaha stations.

Lincoln is an interesting case when it comes to TV; potentially the oddest market in the country. You have to have satellite in order to get all the market channels across most of the Lincoln-Hastings-Kearney market (with the area from Grand Island to York an exception where everything can be received OTA and via cable). All the major Omaha stations are "significantly viewed" in Lincoln due to the decades when KOLN was the only commercial station in Lincoln. A rooftop antenna or a cable subscription was a near-necessity in Lincoln in order to get all major networks. (This has never been the case in Omaha.) If Time Warner Cable were following the market boundaries like Dish and DirecTV have to, they'd carry KHAS and KHGI as well, but they instead go off of the old "significantly viewed" list, which even pre-dates KLKN and assumes KETV is the default ABC affiliate. (Some small cable systems around Lincoln even still carry KETV only, and not KLKN...)

There hasn't been any "significantly viewed" Lincoln station in Omaha since KOLN served as the market's ABC/DuMont affiliate into the mid '50s.

It helps to consider Lincoln as not really being a "TV market", and instead importing. Cable imports from Omaha; satellite from the Tri-Cities. KOLN and KFXL are shared with the Tri-Cities, with KLKN a recent "local" addition. Makes a little more sense when you look at it that way; which is quite unique for a city the size of Lincoln.

Lincoln is an interesting case when it comes to TV; potentially the oddest market in the country. You have to have satellite in order to get all the market channels across most of the Lincoln-Hastings-Kearney market (with the area from Grand Island to York an exception where everything can be received OTA and via cable). All the major Omaha stations are "significantly viewed" in Lincoln due to the decades when KOLN was the only commercial station in Lincoln. A rooftop antenna or a cable subscription was a near-necessity in Lincoln in order to get all major networks. (This has never been the case in Omaha.) If Time Warner Cable were following the market boundaries like Dish and DirecTV have to, they'd carry KHAS and KHGI as well, but they instead go off of the old "significantly viewed" list, which even pre-dates KLKN and assumes KETV is the default ABC affiliate. (Some small cable systems around Lincoln even still carry KETV only, and not KLKN...)

There hasn't been any "significantly viewed" Lincoln station in Omaha since KOLN served as the market's ABC/DuMont affiliate into the mid '50s.

It helps to consider Lincoln as not really being a "TV market", and instead importing. Cable imports from Omaha; satellite from the Tri-Cities. KOLN and KFXL are shared with the Tri-Cities, with KLKN a recent "local" addition. Makes a little more sense when you look at it that way; which is quite unique for a city the size of Lincoln.

Wonder they pay KETV for the signal?

I would like to know if KFXL's proposed expansion means we in Council Bluffs would get it too. What would happen to KPTM--would they give up Fox for MyNetwork on 42.1 and let This TV on 42.2 go on all the time?

I feel that KFXL should be allowed to brand itself as Channel 15 and KXVO should then be required to rebrand itself as Channel 38 since that's what they use anyway. Also, has WOWT ever considered a translator in Lincoln?

None of the stations around here except KUON actually broadcast on the same actual channel as their virtual channel number. And KUON is the only one broadcasting in VHF (Channel 12).

None of the stations around here except KUON actually broadcast on the same actual channel as their virtual channel number. And KUON is the only one broadcasting in VHF (Channel 12).

Except for KLKN and KOLN.

- Trip

When the Final DTV cut over happend

Channels 8 , 10, and 12 all went back to VHF and dumped there temp UHF channel. Also Hastings NBC channel 5 and North Plattes channel 2 are on VHF. Seems everything from Lincoln west went with VHF which is bad for DTV signals.

With 51 going UHF with they will become a power house solid signal compared to the others. Very smart move. Hope the FCC approves it. The other channels should change back to UHF.

Except for KLKN and KOLN.

- Trip

When the Final DTV cut over happend

Channels 8 , 10, and 12 all went back to VHF and dumped there temp UHF channel. Also Hastings NBC channel 5 and North Plattes channel 2 are on VHF. Seems everything from Lincoln west went with VHF which is bad for DTV signals.

With 51 going UHF with they will become a power house solid signal compared to the others. Very smart move. Hope the FCC approves it. The other channels should change back to UHF.

I think I would be SOL then, when pointing an antenna either direction I get solid for 1 market and flaky for the other. I would have to choose one or the other which I would not like. Last 2 days I haven't gotten anything from channel 8 or 10, not in the mood to climb into the attic though.

Cox adds fox BizHD 1200 BIOHD 1205 Encore HD 1280

Cox adds fox BizHD 1200 BIOHD 1205 Encore HD 1280
They've also added BTN2Go.

They've also added BTN2Go.

Not available via smart phones yet only through computer

When the Final DTV cut over happend

Channels 8 , 10, and 12 all went back to VHF and dumped there temp UHF channel. Also Hastings NBC channel 5 and North Plattes channel 2 are on VHF. Seems everything from Lincoln west went with VHF which is bad for DTV signals.

With 51 going UHF with they will become a power house solid signal compared to the others. Very smart move. Hope the FCC approves it. The other channels should change back to UHF.

I have heard that VHF Low (Channels 2-6) are very bad for DTV. VHF High is better, but not as good as UHF. My guess is that they want the distance range that VHF gives, but at the price for a detailed signal. Looking at some sources, there are very few TV stations in the USA actually airing on channels 2-6 anymore because of the problems with the DTV signal.

My guess is that they want the distance range that VHF gives, but at the price for a detailed signal.

I haven't seen any surveys but I would suspect most of the stations which went digital on VHF Low did so beacause of cost. Most of them (at least in the Upper Midwest region, including Nebraska) had never built high-powered DTV operations on UHF during the transition, so it was just cheaper to convert the VHF transmitters to digital. Then there was no need to buy a full-power UHF transmitter or install a new UHF transmission antenna.

Cost may have also been a factor for many of the stations that chose to go digital on VHF High. (Most of those already had moderate- to high-power UHF operations but chose to turn them off.) It's a lot cheaper to run a VHF transmitter at 30-45kW ERP than it is to run a UHF transmitter at up to 1,000kW ERP.

There is also an added advantage in rural areas where many households may still have VHF-only antennas and refuse to upgrade. VHF DTV reception is actually pretty good at a distance with a rooftop antenna, but indoor reception is terrible. So, VHF DTV works best if most of the indoor reception in your market is within 5-10 miles of the transmitter.

Nebraska is in an interesting situation, with Omaha being all-UHF but the Lincoln and Tri-Cities areas being mostly VHF.

I haven't seen any surveys but I would suspect most of the stations which went digital on VHF Low did so beacause of cost. Most of them (at least in the Upper Midwest region, including Nebraska) had never built high-powered DTV operations on UHF during the transition, so it was just cheaper to convert the VHF transmitters to digital. Then there was no need to buy a full-power UHF transmitter or install a new UHF transmission antenna.

Cost may have also been a factor for many of the stations that chose to go digital on VHF High. (Most of those already had moderate- to high-power UHF operations but chose to turn them off.) It's a lot cheaper to run a VHF transmitter at 30-45kW ERP than it is to run a UHF transmitter at up to 1,000kW ERP.

There is also an added advantage in rural areas where many households may still have VHF-only antennas and refuse to upgrade. VHF DTV reception is actually pretty good at a distance with a rooftop antenna, but indoor reception is terrible. So, VHF DTV works best if most of the indoor reception in your market is within 5-10 miles of the transmitter.

Nebraska is in an interesting situation, with Omaha being all-UHF but the Lincoln and Tri-Cities areas being mostly VHF.

One good thing is that because KMTV no longer broadcasts on Channel 3, my old equipment (VCRs and NES Game systems) that connect via RF Cable had a channel switch that had to be changed from Channel 3 to a either Channel 2 or Channel 4. No longer have to worry about that anymore!

I did notice that when digital KUON was on UHF, it was difficult to pick up in Bellevue (KYNE was much better, so not an issue since the content was the same). When KUON moved the digital signal to channel 12, replacing the old analog broadcast, it comes in much better. About the only OTA signal I have trouble with is KBIN Council Bluffs, which is annoying since it actually is the closest in miles from transmitter to my house--go figure! I do have Cox expanded basic with a QAM tuner, so I get those stations that way, but on DTV cutover day, I didn't and actually lost that channel when COX only broadcast the digital signal on their cable. Kinda forced me to get a new TV.

Almost appears as though Daystar wasn't aware KOHA-LP was off the air...

http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getimportletter_exh.cgi?import_letter_id=29507
http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getimportletter_exh.cgi?import_letter_id=29692

Almost appears as though Daystar wasn't aware KOHA-LP was off the air...

http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getimportletter_exh.cgi?import_letter_id=29507
http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getimportletter_exh.cgi?import_letter_id=29692


i hope they put daystar on 47.1 soon

I really like the new channel

I suspect someone lied to Marcus Lamb and he didnt know it was off the air since 2009.

One good thing is that because KMTV no longer broadcasts on Channel 3, my old equipment (VCRs and NES Game systems) that connect via RF Cable had a channel switch that had to be changed from Channel 3 to a either Channel 2 or Channel 4. No longer have to worry about that anymore!

I did notice that when digital KUON was on UHF, it was difficult to pick up in Bellevue (KYNE was much better, so not an issue since the content was the same). When KUON moved the digital signal to channel 12, replacing the old analog broadcast, it comes in much better. About the only OTA signal I have trouble with is KBIN Council Bluffs, which is annoying since it actually is the closest in miles from transmitter to my house--go figure! I do have Cox expanded basic with a QAM tuner, so I get those stations that way, but on DTV cutover day, I didn't and actually lost that channel when COX only broadcast the digital signal on their cable. Kinda forced me to get a new TV.


u can get kuon and the pbs station in council bluffs

I live in dundee and benson area and 12/32 hardly comes in.

3,6,7,26 and their sub-channels always come in good as does analog channel 48 aka daystar

but 32, and 12 and in some instances 42 and their subchannels at times comes in badly.




i have more of a chance of getting ktiv channel 4 from sioux city (once in a blue moon I get it) than I do of getting KUON or the pbs station from CB

KETV put this on their website:

http://www.ketv.com/news/29889252/detail.html

Anyone out there affected?

KETV put this on their website:

http://www.ketv.com/news/29889252/detail.html

Anyone out there affected?

I think they are rural

I think they are rural

They are rural, and in some cases out-of-market so KETV wouldn't even be the default ABC affiliate on the cable system. Only system listed where I know for sure KETV is default and exclusive is American Broadband-Blair. Otherwise, KCAU, KLKN, or WOI would be carried as well.

They are rural, and in some cases out-of-market so KETV wouldn't even be the default ABC affiliate on the cable system. Only system listed where I know for sure KETV is default and exclusive is American Broadband-Blair. Otherwise, KCAU, KLKN, or WOI would be carried as well.

I wonder why KETV put it on the website?

I wonder why KETV put it on the website?

Still in the viewing area... includes more than Omaha and Cox. ;)

Still in the viewing area... includes more than Omaha and Cox. ;)

I should have said why didn't they mention on air like they did with cox

WOWT threatening to pull their signal from Cox on 1/1
http://www.wowt.com/cox

WOWT threatening to pull their signal from Cox on 1/1
http://www.wowt.com/cox

Deal is done

KHAS has some new news graphics and a new logo bug. Was in Lincoln last night and saw part of their newscast after the NFL game. Wondering if they've finally gone widescreen (can anyone confirm/deny this)? Framing was different, with part of the logo and some text off the left and right side of the SD screen I was watching on.

If you receive your HDTV from Cox via a CableCard-equipped device (Tivo Premiere, Ceton InfiniTV, HDHomeRun Prime, Hauppauge WinTV-DCR-2650), you should be aware that you can now get the added HD channels previously only included with Cox's Plus Pack and Whole Home DVR for free. For me, this meant adding Hub HD (1100), Outdoor Channel HD (1230) from the sports and information pack, plus all of the extra HD HBO channels (1302, 1303, 1305, 1306, 1308, 1309, and 1311). It took several calls and a couple of trips to the Cox store to finally get everything set up, so if you have a CableCard device and aren't getting the channels that were previously Plus Pack-only in your service package, make sure to contact Cox.

As a side note - you should also get DIY HD (1206) if you have the sports and information pack, but for some odd reason I am not getting it - if anybody else is getting this with a CableCard device, please let me know!

That stinks they should offer them to all customers as long as they have 1Ghz boxes rented or customer owned

I agree with you - kinda silly that they hold those channels hostage to get customers to spend the extra money on the whole home DVR. The FCC's CableCard regulations are to thank for the CableCard customers getting access to the channels for free. If you rent the equipment from Cox, you're really at their mercy.

FWIW, I highly recommend building an HTPC over using Cox's equipment. I love having 300 hours of HD recording capacity, versus the standard Cox DVR's ten hours...

If you receive your HDTV from Cox via a CableCard-equipped device (Tivo Premiere, Ceton InfiniTV, HDHomeRun Prime, Hauppauge WinTV-DCR-2650), you should be aware that you can now get the added HD channels previously only included with Cox's Plus Pack and Whole Home DVR for free. For me, this meant adding Hub HD (1100), Outdoor Channel HD (1230) from the sports and information pack, plus all of the extra HD HBO channels (1302, 1303, 1305, 1306, 1308, 1309, and 1311). It took several calls and a couple of trips to the Cox store to finally get everything set up, so if you have a CableCard device and aren't getting the channels that were previously Plus Pack-only in your service package, make sure to contact Cox.

As a side note - you should also get DIY HD (1206) if you have the sports and information pack, but for some odd reason I am not getting it - if anybody else is getting this with a CableCard device, please let me know!

what's your source? the extra premium channels also

The Plus Pack channels showed up in the CableCard channel lineup (the channel lineup list used by my Hauppauge tuner, NOT my Windows Media Center channel guide) about a month ago. About the same time, Hub HD and Outdoor Channel HD showed up in my channel guide and could be tuned in, but the HBO's could not - I got a "subscription required" notice in WMC. A Google search led me to http://www.sandiegohdtv.org/forums/thread-plus-package-hd-channels-cablecard, which caused me to change my tactic with the local Cox techs - instead of asking, "When will these channels be available?", I instead said, "I know I'm supposed to be getting these for no additional cost, why can't I get them?" Turns out on my end, all that was needed was the addition of a code for the HBO HD Plus package - it was sent out to my CableCard and I had access to all of the HBO HDs. Just took the right person to make the correct entry for me.

Cool. I get 1100 and 1308 but not the others through my Prime. I guess I have to give Cox a call too to see if I can get the rest of them going as well.

I'd recommend going to the 78th and Dodge location, and talk to Jon, one of the Solutions Educators - he's the one that got me set up finally.

IOWA/NEBRASKA:
Live Well Network has announced affiliation agreements with Citadel Communications' stations starting Jan. 16, including WOI-TV (Ames-Des Moines), KCAU (Sioux City),


and KLKN (Lincoln).

It's not immediately clear whether Live Well would replace existing subchannels on all of the stations, but Jeff Korbelik of the Lincoln Journal Star tweeted it would replace RTV on KLKN/8.2.


WOI and WHBF also currently carry RTV on their .2 channels, while KCAU carries weather. (1/9/2012)

http://northpine.com/broadcast/index.html

FOX soccer - 1234
CBS College Sports - 1228
Stars Edge - 1362
WE - 1253
TruTv - 1203
TCM - 1055

Special preview starting January 17. Ad in Omaha World Herald Midlands section, back page, Wednesday January 11 evening edition.

FOX soccer - 1234
CBS College Sports - 1228
Stars Edge - 1362
WE - 1253
TruTv - 1203
TCM - 1055

Special preview starting January 17. Ad in Omaha World Herald Midlands section, back page, Wednesday January 11 evening edition.

wonder what it means that they will officially launch in February, but have a special launch in January? I think CBS College Sports is 234 not 228 and Fox Soccer is 228 not 234

No idea. Glad to see they're finally.getting CBS sports. We've had the non GD channel for a couple couple years now.

*hd

Is Kptm having problems today? I just set up my OTA antenna and can receive KXVO with no problems. Not sure whats going on with it, maybe multipath problems. Thanks for all the great info on here as well.

Halac0ax, about where do you live and what antenna are you using? I live about 65 miles north of Omaha and using a Winegard HD9032. I have been watching 42.1 most of the day and have not seen any issues.

According to tvfool I'm about 46 miles to the west of the tower site and I'm using a CM-4221HD. The funny part is it was coming in fine for about 2 hours then it started acting up again.

That kinda sounds like my friend's setup issue. He was using an older beam type antenna with only RG59. Once we replaced the coax with RG6 Quad Shield, it fixed it on a nice day. Then we added a preamp, and it came in all the time. I am not sure what's might fix it for you.

I just got off the roof and pointed it a bit better then it was before. Its better not perfect with just occasional dropouts but KXVO comes in great. Just that fact has me scratching my head. I have a 10db pre-amp on there now, maybe a bit stronger one will cure it. I thought about changing out the coax as well, but since the other channels are good not so sure. Then again..KPTM is higher up in freq so maybe thats it.

FOX soccer - 1234
CBS College Sports - 1228
Stars Edge - 1362
WE - 1253
TruTv - 1203
TCM - 1055

Special preview starting January 17. Ad in Omaha World Herald Midlands section, back page, Wednesday January 11 evening edition.

Channels show up in my CableCard channel lineup and are active. I'm receiving 1055 (everybody with HD should), 1203, 1228, and 1234 (part of the Sports and Information Pack). Not subscribed to 1253 or 1362, so I get the nice "not subscribed" message when trying to tune. These channels have not yet been added to the Windows Media Center channel lineup, so I may experiment with adding them on my own tonight. If you use a TiVo or the Cox cable boxes, YMMV - they may already be added to the channel lineups there.

FYI - 1228 is the soccer channel, and 1234 is CBS College Sports HD.

UPDATE: The WMC channel lineup for Omaha Cox Digital now has the new HD channels listed.

No idea. Glad to see they're finally.getting CBS sports. We've had the non GD channel for a couple couple years now.

Surprised it took this long for Trutv

Had Tru in HD temporarily for March Madness last year.

Had Tru in HD temporarily for March Madness last year.

I knew that just surprised that it took this long to get full time in HD

Has anyone pulled the trigger on the whole home screen from Cox yet? I keep debating. Would love to have it for the trio guide and the extra starz gd channels, but am leery of the install. I move my other HD boxes from the bedrooms to the family room during football season so I can have three tvs running games, but wonder with them having to come out and install it initially if that will preclude me from my Saturday football routine.

Also wondering if the bugs had been worked out yet.

Stupid smart phone. I meant whole home dvr not whole home screen.

===BREAKING NEWS===

A 2nd Fox station may be coming to the Southern half of Omaha according to our friends at northpine.com

http://northpine.com/broadcast/index.html

Just like in Lincoln were most get Two NBCs and Two ABCs because they are so close to an other DMA market, Omaha may get Two also.
Fox from Lincoln and Fox from Omaha.

Fox is known for only have a couple of hours of prime time each night so that means TONS of independent unique programming choices hopefully in HD.

They still need a Tower, hopefully they use an existing one that is already there so they just need to put the antenna up and turn it on.
Good luck Fox Lincoln on UHF.

Now we just need the CBS and ABC to change from VFH to UHF so we can pick them up better like we could before the digital conversion when they were both on there temp channels.

People with Over the Air Tuners USB ($50 add on cost) added to DirecTV and Dish HD receivers will get the channels via an Antenna in Omaha. I doubt Cox cable will carry it or even can legally carry it since its out side of the DMA.

FCC doc is here
http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2012/db0127/DA-12-91A1.pdf

and original request
http://www.fcc.gov/document/kfxl-tv-proposed-channel-substitution-lincoln-nebraska

Quote from our Friends at north pine
The FCC has approved a plan that could give a Lincoln TV station coverage of Omaha. FOX affiliate KFXL-TV/51 currently transmits with just 14kW; it will move to channel 15 and upgrade to the maximum DTV power of 1,000kW, which will add about 700,000 people to KFXL's theoretical coverage area. The station must still apply for and receive a construction permit before it can implement the change. KFXL was restricted from upgrading on channel 51 because of the FCC's plans to auction channel 52 for other uses. KFXL will likely have to continue to remap to virtual channel 51.1 because of overlap with KXVO (Omaha), which broadcasts on channel 38 and remaps to 15, its old analog channel. KFXL is owned by Lincoln Broadcasting, LLC, and operated by Pappas Telecasting."

Anyone watch the Live Well network? Its really bad, wish they put RTV back on or something else.

IOWA/NEBRASKA:
Live Well Network has announced affiliation agreements with Citadel Communications' stations starting Jan. 16, including WOI-TV (Ames-Des Moines), KCAU (Sioux City),


and KLKN (Lincoln).

It's not immediately clear whether Live Well would replace existing subchannels on all of the stations, but Jeff Korbelik of the Lincoln Journal Star tweeted it would replace RTV on KLKN/8.2.


WOI and WHBF also currently carry RTV on their .2 channels, while KCAU carries weather. (1/9/2012)

http://northpine.com/broadcast/index.html

FOX soccer - 1234
CBS College Sports - 1228
Stars Edge - 1362
WE - 1253
TruTv - 1203
TCM - 1055

Special preview starting January 17. Ad in Omaha World Herald Midlands section, back page, Wednesday January 11 evening edition.

I don't gamble, but if I did, this is the part where I would say, "I will bet $50 that either the actual permit application for KFXL-15, or the final license, will specify a power level less than 1000 kW, possibly significantly less."

- Trip

Why would they go less, I thought a TV stations goal was to have more coverage area so they have more Viewers and thus could charge more for Advertising?

Or does the cost of electricity out weight that these days?

I don't gamble, but if I did, this is the part where I would say, "I will bet $50 that either the actual permit application for KFXL-15, or the final license, will specify a power level less than 1000 kW, possibly significantly less."

- Trip

Power bill and price of the transmitter. How much more money can you make for the amount of money you spend on increased costs like those?

KFXL might increase power to some degree, but I would not expect 1000 kW.

- Trip

Clarification - this would not count as an Omaha station (for carriage or advertising). It's simply an upgrade for KFXL, although it's a much-needed upgrade as KFXL's current signal barely gets out of Lincoln. This will allow areas like Crete and Beatrice to get a local Fox signal over-the-air.

Lincoln stations have previously made it to Omaha, such as KOLN being watchable in southwest Omaha during the analog TV days. Parts of west Omaha also get a good signal from Lincoln's KUON/12. Still, for those in range of both stations, it may make for some more choices for syndicated programming.

Broadcast location ought to be the same tower as they currently transmit on.


===BREAKING NEWS===

A 2nd Fox station may be coming to the Southern half of Omaha according to our friends at northpine.com

http://northpine.com/broadcast/index.html

Just like in Lincoln were most get Two NBCs and Two ABCs because they are so close to an other DMA market, Omaha may get Two also.
Fox from Lincoln and Fox from Omaha.

Fox is known for only have a couple of hours of prime time each night so that means TONS of independent unique programming choices hopefully in HD.

They still need a Tower, hopefully they use an existing one that is already there so they just need to put the antenna up and turn it on.
Good luck Fox Lincoln on UHF.

Now we just need the CBS and ABC to change from VFH to UHF so we can pick them up better like we could before the digital conversion when they were both on there temp channels.

People with Over the Air Tuners USB ($50 add on cost) added to DirecTV and Dish HD receivers will get the channels via an Antenna in Omaha. I doubt Cox cable will carry it or even can legally carry it since its out side of the DMA.

FCC doc is here
http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2012/db0127/DA-12-91A1.pdf

and original request
http://www.fcc.gov/document/kfxl-tv-proposed-channel-substitution-lincoln-nebraska

Quote from our Friends at north pine
The FCC has approved a plan that could give a Lincoln TV station coverage of Omaha. FOX affiliate KFXL-TV/51 currently transmits with just 14kW; it will move to channel 15 and upgrade to the maximum DTV power of 1,000kW, which will add about 700,000 people to KFXL's theoretical coverage area. The station must still apply for and receive a construction permit before it can implement the change. KFXL was restricted from upgrading on channel 51 because of the FCC's plans to auction channel 52 for other uses. KFXL will likely have to continue to remap to virtual channel 51.1 because of overlap with KXVO (Omaha), which broadcasts on channel 38 and remaps to 15, its old analog channel. KFXL is owned by Lincoln Broadcasting, LLC, and operated by Pappas Telecasting."

Scott why did you include the new cox HD in your post?

Also the non fox shows are not in HD that I know of

Anybody else having trouble with QAM channels coming through Cox? The only locals I'm getting are CBS & Fox.

I agree with you Scott. I can receive both KMTV and KLKN and having two LWN channels is horror that you can not imagine.

Anybody else having trouble with QAM channels coming through Cox? The only locals I'm getting are CBS & Fox.

I have a cable box, but KETV and MeTV have been choppy lately

I did some research and each station is actually paid a percentage of the profits from the ads to carry the channel.
This is really just a big infomercial channel taking up valuable HD bandwidth.

I would boycott the LWN sub channels.

I agree with you Scott. I can receive both KMTV and KLKN and having two LWN channels is horror that you can not imagine.

I agree with you Scott. I can receive both KMTV and KLKN and having two LWN channels is horror that you can not imagine.

There are going to be area that can only get one LWN

There are going to be area that can only get one LWN

some places will get both, depening on where u live and if you get both KMTV and KLKN



btw, any word if Omaha is getting Bounce TV http://www.facebook.com/bouncetv

or Antenna TV http://www.facebook.com/AntennaTV



(maybe one of them could be on 6.3 or on 3.2 if LWN gets replaced perhaps (down the line)


cause it sucks that other cities get both of them and meTV

and yet we can only have meTV

I would boycott the LWN sub channels.

most people have.

KMTV's subchannel LWN has very few viewers compared to Cool TV (the previous channel 3.2)



I will make a prediction, that sooner or later (probably even later this year since Cool Tv only lasted a year) what is on channel 3.2 right now will be replaced with something else

(likely Bounce TV http://www.bouncetv.com/shows

or Antenna TV http://www.antennatv.tv/shows/ since both are competing for a Omaha station


plus unless the folks at KMTV are really stupid, they are going to want something on 3.2 that can compete with meTV on 7.2

(likely Bounce TV http://www.bouncetv.com/shows

or Antenna TV http://www.antennatv.tv/shows/ since both are competing for a Omaha station


What is your source on this (that Antenna and Bounce are competing for an Omaha station)?

What is your source on this (that Antenna and Bounce are competing for an Omaha station)?

their facebook pages for the channels.

both have said they want a station in omaha as well as a number of other cities they want to branch into

most people have.

KMTV's subchannel LWN has very few viewers compared to Cool TV (the previous channel 3.2)

I will make a prediction, that sooner or later (probably even later this year since Cool Tv only lasted a year) what is on channel 3.2 right now will be replaced with something else

(likely Bounce TV http://www.bouncetv.com/shows

or Antenna TV http://www.antennatv.tv/shows/ since both are competing for a Omaha station

plus unless the folks at KMTV are really stupid, they are going to want something on 3.2 that can compete with meTV on 7.2

What's your source on low LWN ratings?

What is your source on this (that Antenna and Bounce are competing for an Omaha station)?

Opinion. Nothing more.

What's your source on low LWN ratings?

Opinion. Nothing more.

Myself, I sure do not like the Live Well Network. I removed it from my guide list.

We need something like Tuff TV or RTV.
I really like METV

I'm not a big fan of Live Well either, but the fact that Scripps signed on with them last May and then bought McGraw-Hill Broadcasting which gives them alone a total of 19 stations carrying Live Well (or will be soon), means someone, somewhere must like it.

In Detroit Scripps dumped Retro TV for Live Well. And it shouldn't have to be said that the only reason for the change was $$$.

Live Well now covers over 60% of the US, and is growing. Don't expect it to go anywhere soon.

Myself, I sure do not like the Live Well Network. I removed it from my guide list.

We need something like Tuff TV or RTV.
I really like METV


I think if LWN, had some better shows like reruns of Celebrity Fit Club perhaps, it might be a bit watchable channel.

Motion is a good show on LWN, but other than that.


I would love Tuff TV http://www.tufftv.com/schedule or Bounce Tv or Antenna Tv to be on in Omaha

if KETV or WOWT or KMTV ever decides on a 7.3 or 6.3 or 3.3 channel, I hope one of the three mentioned just now is picked up on it.


I would see Tuff TV likely being on 6.3 if it ever got picked up to air in Omaha considering 6.2 used to be a olympics channel.


many other abc and nbc stations have 2 sub-channels, so it is a matter of time before there will be a 6.3 or 7.3 in Omaha


RTV is dying network. most of its stations are becoming LWN or meTV stations across the country

I think if LWN, had some better shows like reruns of Celebrity Fit Club perhaps, it might be a bit watchable channel.

Motion is a good show on LWN, but other than that.

I would love Tuff TV http://www.tufftv.com/schedule or Bounce Tv or Antenna Tv to be on in Omaha

if KETV or WOWT or KMTV ever decides on a 7.3 or 6.3 or 3.3 channel, I hope one of the three mentioned just now is picked up on it.

I would see Tuff TV likely being on 6.3 if it ever got picked up to air in Omaha considering 6.2 used to be a olympics channel.

many other abc and nbc stations have 2 sub-channels, so it is a matter of time before there will be a 6.3 or 7.3 in Omaha

RTV is dying network. most of its stations are becoming LWN or meTV stations across the country

Like I sad before unless Hearst(ABC) or Gray(NBC) has stations with more than one I don't see that happening.

What about channel 15.2 any chance of the Spanish channel moving to its own station. Seemed like it already had its own channel but was just low power.

Any chance of that low power moving to high power? Seems like in a lot of bigger markets the Spanish channel is not on a sub channel.

If not maybe the new High power channel 51.2 will have it (changing to the CWs old channel 15 but mapping to 51).


Like I sad before unless Hearst(ABC) or Gray(NBC) has stations with more than one I don't see that happening.

What about channel 15.2 any chance of the Spanish channel moving to its own station. Seemed like it already had its own channel but was just low power.

Any chance of that low power moving to high power? Seems like in a lot of bigger markets the Spanish channel is not on a sub channel.

If not maybe the new High power channel 51.2 will have it (changing to the CWs old channel 15 but mapping to 51).

Even if there were to be a 51.2 it wouldn't take programming from 15.2 as 51.x is a Lincoln/Tri-Cities station. If 51.2 happened to be Azteca, hypothetically speaking, it would be a Lincoln affiliate and end up basically mirroring 15.2.

many other abc and nbc stations have 2 sub-channels, so it is a matter of time before there will be a 6.3 or 7.3 in OmahaNot really.

Although adding a subchannel is not out of the question for any station, just because other ABC & NBC stations have more than two subchannels doesn't mean a thing when it comes to stations independently owned.

Like I sad before unless Hearst(ABC) or Gray(NBC) has stations with more than one I don't see that happening.

according to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearst_Television#Television_stations

WMOR and WKCF in Florida has 2 sub-channels

What about channel 15.2 any chance of the Spanish channel moving to its own station. Seemed like it already had its own channel but was just low power.

Any chance of that low power moving to high power? Seems like in a lot of bigger markets the Spanish channel is not on a sub channel.

If not maybe the new High power channel 51.2 will have it (changing to the CWs old channel 15 but mapping to 51).

15.2 used to be channel 57 on analog broadcast and was to become 18.1 bue due to financial problems at the time, they moved it to 15.2 instead


KOHA-LP I know is to be moving from 48 on analog broadcast to 47.1 eventually


3abn is to be moving to 25.1 but still no word on that either, which I would think since lincoln's 3abn has been upgraded, why hasnt Omaha's yet

will Omaha area be able to get the fox station in lincoln.

that should be a question asked. considering that we cant get or hardly get the cbs/pbs stations from lincoln, I doubt we would get channel 51/15 from Lincoln

according to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearst_Television#Television_stations

WMOR and WKCF in Florida has 2 sub-channels

Do the broadcast the main feed in HD?Might be bandwidth related since we have ABC and NBC in hd

according to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearst_Television#Television_stations

WMOR and WKCF in Florida has 2 sub-channels

One more time....

It's all about the money.....If an ABC or NBC affiliate can add FOX, The CW, or MNTV, that's one thing. If an ABC or NBC affiliate can add The Cool or Daystar, that's completely different.

If you lived in an area with a larger Spanish speaking population, you can bet a local station would have Telemundo or Univision as a subchannel. A quick check shows the Omaha area has ~9% Hispanic population; maybe not enough to make it worthwhile.

Yes, signal maps confirm that if Lincolns Fox does go with the full power granted by the FCC many in Omaha will get it.
Cox, Dish, and DirectV will not be able to give it to Omaha area customers as fox Lincoln will be outside the legal DMA zone. In other words Fox OMaha owns the rights.

Anyone with an over the air turner, such as those built in or added on to Dish or DirecTV boxes will be able to get it with an Attic Antenna and it will show up on the guide. Over the Air reception is not limited by DMA boundaries.

The assumption here is KFXL will go full power. Some say they may not due to electricity or tower costs. Myself I think they will go full power as it will mean more Advertising dollards (more viewers). Plus it will make them a POWER HOUSE in Nebraska with signal coverage for 80% of the state through there network of towers. Population wise the Lincoln Fox network will have more Nebraska viewer with Omaha, Lincoln, Grand Island, Kearney Hastings than any other commercial station.

Here is the map

Zoom down to street level to see if you will get it. Comparing this to Lincolns CBS and ABC I would say it it much stronger going well past Omaha.

http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1462780&map=Y


will Omaha area be able to get the fox station in lincoln.

that should be a question asked. considering that we cant get or hardly get the cbs/pbs stations from lincoln, I doubt we would get channel 51/15 from Lincoln

Yes, signal maps confirm that if Lincolns Fox does go with the full power granted by the FCC many in Omaha will get it.
Cox, Dish, and DirectV will not be able to give it to Omaha area customers as fox Lincoln will be outside the legal DMA zone. In other words Fox OMaha owns the rights.

Anyone with an over the air turner, such as those built in or added on to Dish or DirecTV boxes will be able to get it with an Attic Antenna and it will show up on the guide. Over the Air reception is not limited by DMA boundaries.

The assumption here is KFXL will go full power. Some say they may not due to electricity or tower costs. Myself I think they will go full power as it will mean more Advertising dollards (more viewers). Plus it will make them a POWER HOUSE in Nebraska with signal coverage for 80% of the state through there network of towers. Population wise the Lincoln Fox network will have more Nebraska viewer with Omaha, Lincoln, Grand Island, Kearney Hastings than any other commercial station.

Here is the map

Zoom down to street level to see if you will get it. Comparing this to Lincolns CBS and ABC I would say it it much stronger going well past Omaha.

http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1462780&map=Y

What if this does happen and KPTM decides to drop Fox programming would cox and dish and directv be able to air it?

What if this does happen and KPTM decides to drop Fox programming....

Why would they do that?

Cox, Dish, and DirectV will not be able to give it to Omaha area customers as fox Lincoln will be outside the legal DMA zone.

While it is extremely unlikely that Cox would have any desire to carry KFXL in any form, it should be noted that legally, Cox could carry KFXL in Omaha with blackouts of FOX programminng. (It's a little-known fact that FOX only broadcasts as a network for two hours weekdays, from 7-9 p.m. The hours are longer on weekends for sports). Cox would have to reach a carriage agreement with KFXL in order to do this.

Here is an excerpt about blackouts of syndicated programming from an FCC factsheet on cable carriage at http://transition.fcc.gov/mb/facts/csgen.html:


no cable system is required to delete a program broadcast by a station which is either significantly viewed or which places a Grade B or better contour over the community of the cable system.

The FCC controls this. The Tower would have to be located in the DMA mapped zone which it is not. If KPTM dropped it the network would be opened up for bid and an other station or digital sub channel would pick it up that had a tower in the DMA zone.


======== OMAHA WORLD HERALD WARREN BUFFET CARD? =====================
Interesting that the Omaha World Herald owns Lincolns Fox. (source not verified)
I knew someone one with some money had to be involved with this.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KFXL-TV


I agree on the point about black outs and how Cox could carry non prime time,
but I bet Lawyers would have to work through a very detailed contract as
often the independent shows are purchased with syndicated rights on a Per DMA basics thus also preventing Cox from carrying it if an Omaha Station also airs the same show anytime during the week. Interesting idea if it works out. Very smart I think.

The point on non prime time hours avl on Cox is even more interesting if it is true that the Omaha World Herald and Warren Buffet own this thing. They could truly be trying to build a state wide network using one of the Big 4 networks. Sounds like the station will go all the way to North Platte using several towers. Sounds similar to Channels 10 and 11 which goes form Lincoln to North Platte, except 10-11 has a tower west of Lincoln making it hard to get in Omaha. Fox Lincolns tower is in the Northern part of Lincoln near I-80 or about a 40 minute driver from the edge of Omaha.

The Omaha World Herald used to Own KETV, maybe they are getting back into TV now that the trend for News Paper subscriptions is going down.
Source not verified: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KETV




will Omaha area be able to get the fox station in lincoln.

that should be a question asked. considering that we cant get or hardly get the cbs/pbs stations from lincoln, I doubt we would get channel 51/15 from Lincoln

What if this does happen and KPTM decides to drop Fox programming would cox and dish and directv be able to air it?

The FCC controls this. The Tower would have to be located in the DMA mapped zone which it is not. If KPTM dropped it the network would be opened up for bid and an other station or digital sub channel would pick it up that had a tower in the DMA zone.

Interesting that the Omaha World Herald owns Lincolns Fox. (source not verified)
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KFXL-TV

I wrote most of that article. Here are a couple references on the ownership.
http://journalstar.com/business/world-herald-s-cw-station-switching-to-fox/article_b301f2d2-e205-5a5b-bae3-489af6224643.html

http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=35641651

Looks like I was wrong on the coverage. It is more than I thought.

It will go from council Bluffs (see new map) to well past Ogallala (see current Map).

They will have 3 plus full power stations. This is starting to sound like the old NTV network that had 4 full power stations.

Here is the link to the current map (see last page)

http://videos.pappastv.com/ntv/News/KHGI-KFXL_Coverage_Map_911.pdf

Here is the new link to the proposed new HIgh Power on Channel 15 showing coverage into Iowa.

http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1462780&map=Y

Now all they need is a station in Scotts Bluff or something to have state border to border (west to east coverage).
Is Warren Buffet by chance using is money on this since he bought a lot of the Omaha World Herald which also owns the North Platte Telegraph and other smaller newspapers.
Got to wonder.

Is Warren Buffet by chance using is money on this since he bought a lot of the Omaha World Herald which also owns the North Platte Telegraph and other smaller newspapers.
Got to wonder.
This isn't some Warren Buffett conspiracy theory. And he didn't "bought a lot of the Omaha World Herald" he bought the entire Omaha World-Herald.

Thank you, sounds like confirmation.
Now that Warren Buffet OWNS the Wolrd Herald, they now have access to large amounts of cash to make improvements.

Improvements in all forms of media, not just limited to the demising newspapers business. News is seen on Newspapers, TV, Radio, and the web.

I would not be surprised if Fox Nebraska soon announces a 4th Station or an agreement with a digital Sub channel to cover North Central Nebraska. There seems to be a big whole up there Holt and Brown Counties.

Source DMA Map= http://dishuser.org/TVMarkets/Maps/nebraska.gif



This isn't some Warren Buffett conspiracy theory. And he didn't "bought a lot of the Omaha World Herald" he bought the entire Omaha World-Herald.

I would not be surprised if Fox Nebraska soon announces a 4th Station or an agreement with a digital Sub channel to cover North Central Nebraska. There seems to be a big whole up there Holt and Brown Counties.

Source DMA Map= http://dishuser.org/TVMarkets/Maps/nebraska.gif

I doubt it. The O'Neill low-power digital signal is probably all there will be for two reasons: population density and money. Pappas already shut off their LPTVs in Valentine, which previously relayed KHGI and KTVG (KFXL's predecessor). Granted, Valentine is out-of-market, but southwest NE stations are available on cable there.

Despite KFXL itself being owned by a subsidiary of the OWH, it is managed by Pappas, which is bankrupt. And the other Fox Nebraska stations, including the actual source station (KHGI 13.2), are under different ownership... Pappas. When they finally have the budget to upgrade KHGI's news operation to HD or at least widescreen, and support HD local ads on KHGI and KFXL, then maybe that's a good sign things are coming together. In the meantime, I think the eventual power upgrade is going to be the extent of any changes. Despite the call letters and branding, keep in mind channel 51 in Lincoln is at this point effectively a low-powered SD repeater of KHGI 13.2. In my limited and unscientific observations, everyone I've seen in Lincoln watching OTA or on cable still watches KPTM. I've only seen KFXL on in places served by Dish or DirecTV for obvious reasons.

Well, that was quick... KFXL made the formal application for 1,000kW on channel 15 and the FCC has already approved the construction permit. They now have 18 months to put it on the air.

Well, that was quick... KFXL made the formal application for 1,000kW on channel 15 and the FCC has already approved the construction permit. They now have 18 months to put it on the air.

Hopefully they'll also allocate some resources to improving the picture quality. Attached is what they're currently putting out (aspect ratio off, for one thing).

While working with screengrabs... I've never seen anything this bad before... looks like K18CD-D is waiting for KSNB's move to York before it gets separate programming*. This is not an analog signal... but a digital signal fed by an awful analog signal. Since they are all on the same tower, it appears that KWAZ-LP 35 is picking up the digital signal of 3ABN 27.1 with a converter box, feeding it through an analog device that allows text overlays, and then K18CD-D is picking up the very low power channel 35 signal and outputting it in digital SD.

*That programming is anyone's guess, but my guess is a CW affiliation consisting of KSNB, KTVG, and KWAZ/K18CD-D.

Well, that was quick... KFXL made the formal application for 1,000kW on channel 15 and the FCC has already approved the construction permit. They now have 18 months to put it on the air.

Er, don't they have three years?

- Trip

Er, don't they have three years?

- Trip

Yep, I guess it is. I was thinking this kind of modification was 18 months, but that's wrong.

Wow that is REAL BAD.
Hopefully that make this all HD as according to the station channel 51 is to become the FLAG SHIP station of Fox Nebraska which implies all the there other repeater stations will just carry what is on 51 (soon to be 15 mapped to 51).

If they dont , I will be the first to complain to the owners (the Omaha World Herald).

Hopefully they'll also allocate some resources to improving the picture quality. Attached is what they're currently putting out (aspect ratio off, for one thing).

On another note, how much longer will MyNetwork keep going? Their entire lineup is reruns: http://www.mynetworktv.com/schedule.php

I am surprised 10/11 hasn't picked up MeTV. I would think that would grab bigger ratings. Of course, you wouldn't have the big availability for local spots throughout the rest of the day w/ their less than exciting syndicated programming. Anybody know why MyNetwork is that attractive to carry or is it anymore?

Wow that is REAL BAD.
Hopefully that make this all HD as according to the station channel 51 is to become the FLAG SHIP station of Fox Nebraska which implies all the there other repeater stations will just carry what is on 51 (soon to be 15 mapped to 51).

If they dont , I will be the first to complain to the owners (the Omaha World Herald).

I wonder if it will truly be the flagship signal as it is operated out of the KHGI studio near Kearney.

Good question, to get the highest ratings per city population they will need local news from Lincolns and then next largest city Grand Island.

Or they could just out source ALL news like the Omaha Fox KPTM does. Its is out of Minneapolis but it looks like Local news as the reporters and film all is local.


I wonder if it will truly be the flagship signal as it is operated out of the KHGI studio near Kearney.

On another note, how much longer will MyNetwork keep going? Their entire lineup is reruns: http://www.mynetworktv.com/schedule.phpNot sure where you've been, as this has been the case for 3 years since February 2009, with the exception of WWE SmackDown, which left for SyFy in October 2010.

Anybody know why MyNetwork is that attractive to carry or is it anymore?It makes money. The cost of programming compared to the ratings and revenue is a good value for the stations that carry MNTV, which reaches over 95% of the country on affiliated stations.

My Network TV is more of a brand than a network, IMHO. (They prefer not to be actually called a "network" anymore in the industry trades, either, just a "program service" or something like that...) MNT only supplies 12 hours a week of programming to its affiliates, leaving them to come up with the remaining 156 hours. FOX and CW aren't much better, either, with 19 and 25 hours, respectively, per week. ABC, CBS, and NBC supply more than 85 hours, depending how much overnight programming affiliates choose to air. (And the CW+, the service affiliates in markets 100 and below like Lincoln are required to carry, is a 24/7 channel.)

But I digress from a digression...

Ok, I finely found a price on the SD Prime I can live with and it's on its way. Anyone have any setup tips/hints for me using Cox Omaha and Windows 7 Media Center. I'm already using MCE with regular tuners.

Ok, I finely found a price on the SD Prime I can live with and it's on its way. Anyone have any setup tips/hints for me using Cox Omaha and Windows 7 Media Center. I'm already using MCE with regular tuners.

Biggest issue is to get the cable card activated. Cox hasn't trained their staff well in cable card activation procedures. They usually expect that you use a Tivo or a cable card ready TV, so saying that you use the card with a PC throws them off and can get ugly ("we don't support PCs sir"), so it's better not to tell them what you plug the card into.

In my case it took 2-3 calls before the card was finally activated, i.e. I got the right rep who actually knew how cable cards work.

Also make sure you get an M-CARD, as no other card will work.

After it was finally activated, it has been working OK. There are occasional hick ups, but I think the drivers have gotten better and are still being improved.

/Anders

Thanks for the info. I do have an M-card in hand. COX gave me the phone number: 402-933-3000 to call, do you remember if that's the right number to get the best techs, by any chance? Did you upgrade to the lastest firmware with your Prime?

Well, I haven't really found a best number to call :) The one you posted looks like their regular support number and will probably be OK.

I have 20120124beta2 installed. I just noticed that there is a newer version out there. I'll probably upgrade to the latest version later this week.

Biggest issue is to get the cable card activated. Cox hasn't trained their staff well in cable card activation procedures. They usually expect that you use a Tivo or a cable card ready TV, so saying that you use the card with a PC throws them off and can get ugly ("we don't support PCs sir"), so it's better not to tell them what you plug the card into.

In my case it took 2-3 calls before the card was finally activated, i.e. I got the right rep who actually knew how cable cards work.

Also make sure you get an M-CARD, as no other card will work.

After it was finally activated, it has been working OK. There are occasional hick ups, but I think the drivers have gotten better and are still being improved.

/Anders

Seeing as they only have Mcards that shouldn't be any problem.

Seeing as they only have Mcards that shouldn't be any problem.

somehow they managed to give me an SCard back in September with the rep saying - "we just got those in, they are the latest"... which resulted in me having to to go the Cox store twice....

somehow they managed to give me an SCard back in September with the rep saying - "we just got those in, they are the latest"... which resulted in me having to to go the Cox store twice....

Ditto this. Make sure you get a red Motorola card.

Also, I called 1-888-556-1193 to activate. Jon at 80th and Dodge was helpful with activating the Plus Pack channels.

Wow, thanks, for that number. Yes, I have a red Motorola M-Card. (Stupid UPS, my Prime got routed back where it started, I've never had that happen before!)

Just had an odd occurance this morning while doing a OTA rescan. Picked up KMEG out of Sioux City for a couple of seconds.:eek: It's gone now but am going to try another rescan to see if it shows up again.

I'm located midtown, south of Center on 42nd near Bancroft. Using 2 basic indoor non-amped antennas with a combiner.

Ditto this. Make sure you get a red Motorola card.

Also, I called 1-888-556-1193 to activate. Jon at 80th and Dodge was helpful with activating the Plus Pack channels.

I finally got the plus pack channels activated. A call to customer care a few weeks ago only resulted in never ending trouble shooting and finally a promise that it'd work in 5 minutes, which it didn't and I gave up...

Today I returned a box to the Cox store at Village Pointe and asked them to activate the Plus Pack. After some discussions between the reps, they finally got convinced it was OK and when I got home everything was working as expected. Thanks for the tip jrfendrick!

/Anders

I finally got the plus pack channels activated. A call to customer care a few weeks ago only resulted in never ending trouble shooting and finally a promise that it'd work in 5 minutes, which it didn't and I gave up...

Today I returned a box to the Cox store at Village Pointe and asked them to activate the Plus Pack. After some discussions between the reps, they finally got convinced it was OK and when I got home everything was working as expected. Thanks for the tip jrfendrick!

/Anders

do you have a tivo or other cable card device?

I have two cable cards - one sit in an old ati ocur and the second one sits in a silicondust hdhomerun prime. I use windows 7 with media center to watch and record cable. Works pretty well.

In regards to using hdprime with windows 7 do you use an xbox 360 as an extender or do you have an htpc set up on your tv? Thinking using as hdprime will be better than going whole home dvr from cox, but not sure on set up I want to use. Currently have cox HD dvr plus 2 HD receivers. Not necessarily interested in streaming to all tv set ups. Looking for more dvr space and a better looking guide mainly. Any advice would be appreciated.

I have two cable cards - one sit in an old ati ocur and the second one sits in a silicondust hdhomerun prime. I use windows 7 with media center to watch and record cable. Works pretty well.

What did they do to add the extra HD on? Is there a fee?

In regards to using hdprime with windows 7 do you use an xbox 360 as an extender or do you have an htpc set up on your tv? Thinking using as hdprime will be better than going whole home dvr from cox, but not sure on set up I want to use. Currently have cox HD dvr plus 2 HD receivers. Not necessarily interested in streaming to all tv set ups. Looking for more dvr space and a better looking guide mainly. Any advice would be appreciated.

I have two HTPCs that share the hdhomerun prime. They also share an older hdhomerun clear qam tuner (2 tuners) for the locals. In addition, one PC has the old ATI OCUR card plus an OTA HD tuner. That PC is my main DVR.

I have an XBOX360 that I use as an extender at one TV in the basement and also a linksys extender in the bedroom that I use occasionally.

Overall I'm pleased with the performance. I can obviously record a ton of shows as I have a total of 8 tuners in the house (4 cable and 4 clear QAM/OTA) and only limited in space with the amount of HDD space I throw at it.

One needs to be aware though that it is PCs that you use with all that it entails in terms of reliability and availability.

Case in point - my wife still uses the Cox DVR for all her TV watching and time shifting.

What did they do to add the extra HD on? Is there a fee?

They added some kind of code to my account. They said it won't cost any extra.

They added some kind of code to my account. They said it won't cost any extra.

I'd watch your next few bills

I sure will. It's not something I want to pay extra for.

I'd watch your next few bills

When my Plus Pak channels were activated, it showed a new entry in the "recent activity" on my account for HBO Plus, with a charge of 0.00. The next bill was the same amount as before.

Thanks for the tip jrfendrick!

/Anders

Glad to help.

By any chance, do you subscribe to the Sports and Information Pak? If so, are you receiving DIY HD?

Glad to help.

By any chance, do you subscribe to the Sports and Information Pak? If so, are you receiving DIY HD?

At the moment I don't subscribe to the sports package. DIY HD does not work.

Just had an odd occurance this morning while doing a OTA rescan. Picked up KMEG out of Sioux City for a couple of seconds.:eek: It's gone now but am going to try another rescan to see if it shows up again.

I'm located midtown, south of Center on 42nd near Bancroft. Using 2 basic indoor non-amped antennas with a combiner.



'Back in the day' it was fun to 'DX' with an AM radio and see how far away a station you could receive. I remember picking up KOA from Denver several times. If the atmospheric conditions are favorable, you can pickup distant TV stations too. In the late 70s I recall picking up XEG from Mexico City, and a TV station in Billings Montana.

Since ATSC, the only stations I have seen from far away were from Sioux Falls, South Dakota. KSFY as I recall, was one of them. No more often than it is going to happen, you may not want to clutter up your channel list with stations that will only come in a few times a year.

Also, some TVs will erase all existing channels every time you scan, some will let you keep what you have and add more. The latter is more friendly to folks that have antenna rotators, since you would otherwise have to rescan every time you moved the rotator. Funny, ain't it, that in 2012 some TV manufacturers are clueless as to how their products might be used? The dreaded converter boxes came both ways too, some worked great with a rotator and others were awful. And even some professional installers would couple a clunky converter box with a big antenna and rotator set up.

I've picked up all the full-power Sioux City and Des Moines stations over ATSC before, including religious channels 34 and 39 which are lower powered and not from the main Alleman tower farm. Back in the analog era I got channels 11, 13, 17, and 29 out of central NE... all the full-powered Sioux Falls and Topeka stations... KMBC out of KC... KTIN in Fort Dodge... My better catches have been with NOAA Weather Radio though, where over the years I've caught signals from places like Bassett, Nebraska; Halls Summit, Kansas; Lancaster, Missouri; Lake Rathbun, Iowa; and -- last summer -- Woodward, Oklahoma.

DX'ing is still possible -- just not anywhere near as easy with TV as it used to be. There are fewer stations, and the signal strength required to lock in a digital signal often isn't enough even in otherwise good DXing conditions. Back in the day, a fuzzy and black-and-white logo bug or ID screen was all it took to constitute receiving/identifying a signal. That sort of reception wouldn't even be enough to get the call letters on a digital TV's PSIP display.

At the moment I don't subscribe to the sports package. DIY HD does not work.

FWIW: I subscribe and I just noticed that I'm not getting DIY HD on my cable card Sony TV. The channel is mapped but I get 'No Signal'. BUT, I don't get it DIY HD on my Cox HD cable box either. (I do get DIY 206 on cable card TV and the COX cable box.) I guess the DIY HD channel is just not ready yet, at least in my area. Same is true with the Cooking HD channel.

FWIW: I subscribe and I just noticed that I'm not getting DIY HD on my cable card Sony TV. The channel is mapped but I get 'No Signal'. BUT, I don't get it DIY HD on my Cox HD cable box either. (I do get DIY 206 on cable card TV and the COX cable box.) I guess the DIY HD channel is just not ready yet, at least in my area. Same is true with the Cooking HD channel.

you will not get them on your current Motorola boxes. You need either a whole home dvr or a tivo with cable cards or a 1Ghz pc tuner with cable cards and the Plus pack added to your cox account.

you will not get them on your current Motorola boxes. You need either a whole home dvr or a tivo with cable cards or a 1Ghz pc tuner with cable cards and the Plus pack added to your cox account.

Ok, I got it (now). Cox doesn't have those channels 'labled' correctly on the channel list on their web site (they are not marked as plus pak channels).

Ok, I got it (now). Cox doesn't have those channels 'labled' correctly on the channel list on their web site (they are not marked as plus pak channels).

they are marked in the pdf http://ww2.cox.com/wcm/en/residential/datasheet/omaha/Omaha_Channel_Lineup_0212.pdf

If the atmospheric conditions are favorable, you can pickup distant TV stations too. In the late 70s I recall picking up XEG from Mexico City, and a TV station in Billings Montana.


When I lived in Kearney about ten years ago, I was occasionally able to receive KPTM and KXVO, on their old analog stations, using just an old indoor antenna. Funny enough, I couldn't even get KHAS at the time!

DX'ing is still possible -- just not anywhere near as easy with TV as it used to be. There are fewer stations, and the signal strength required to lock in a digital signal often isn't enough even in otherwise good DXing conditions. Back in the day, a fuzzy and black-and-white logo bug or ID screen was all it took to constitute receiving/identifying a signal. That sort of reception wouldn't even be enough to get the call letters on a digital TV's PSIP display.

Understand about DX'ing, just never expected to experience it with digital TV. Haven't seen the KMEG signal since the first time though.

When talking am radio DX'ing, I would pick up Omaha am stations in Bemidji, MN early in the morning when I was visiting there in the winter.

Here in Kearney, I have picked up the digital signals of Cedar Rapids and KC for some of my long distance pickups. I can remember as a kid in the 70s or 80s picking up Corpus Christi once from our farm in Central Nebraska.

Here in Kearney, I have picked up the digital signals of Cedar Rapids and KC for some of my long distance pickups. I can remember as a kid in the 70s or 80s picking up Corpus Christi once from our farm in Central Nebraska.

That's funny... my best DX story is when visiting Corpus Christi 15 years ago in March, I picked up KRVN 880 out of Lexington and could listen to the Huskers! Warm Gulf air really helps tropospheric ducting.

Here in Kearney, I have picked up the digital signals of Cedar Rapids and KC for some of my long distance pickups. I can remember as a kid in the 70s or 80s picking up Corpus Christi once from our farm in Central Nebraska.

Just curious...in the seven years I lived in Kearney, I could never get KHAS OTA - granted, most of the time I only had an old indoor antenna, but also had a satellite dish-mounted external antenna for a couple of years. (DirecTV added the locals about a year after I moved to Omaha.) Has KHAS's signal improved with the conversion to digital, or do you still need a huge aerial to get it in Kearney?

Just curious...in the seven years I lived in Kearney, I could never get KHAS OTA - granted, most of the time I only had an old indoor antenna, but also had a satellite dish-mounted external antenna for a couple of years. (DirecTV added the locals about a year after I moved to Omaha.) Has KHAS's signal improved with the conversion to digital, or do you still need a huge aerial to get it in Kearney?

Someone who lives in Kearney should give a more definitive answer but I know when I was in Kearney in 2010 I scanned with a pair of rabbit ears and a UHF loop antenna and I could not get KHAS. It only showed up with about 20% signal. They transmit at much lower power than they did with analog TV, and on channel 5 you basically need an aerial.

I did get their signal in Giltner using just basic rabbit ears though. Contrast that to KNOP in North Platte which I had a ton of difficulty locking in at a distance of only about 4 miles from the tower.

Ditto this. Make sure you get a red Motorola card.

Also, I called 1-888-556-1193 to activate. Jon at 80th and Dodge was helpful with activating the Plus Pack channels.

Well, I'm not having much luck, I've called three times. They say they have sent the card all the required signals. It's working sort of, I get all the clear QAM channels but all the other digital channels I get 'not-subscribed', for example channel 123 works but channel 1066 doesn't:
20120222-15:13:21 CableCARD: Tuner0: vchannel 123 (697MHz-3) access = subscribed
20120222-15:13:26 CableCARD: Tuner2: vchannel 1066 (793MHz-3) access = not-subscribed
All my signals are 100% and I can see Mbps transmitting when I tune the channel but I get the Not Subscribed message after a few seconds. The COX guy said I should call Tivo, LOL!
EDIT: I think I see the problem but I don't know how to tell them what to do to fix it: On the Conditional Access screen I see 'Auth: MP'. That means 'Another error
sometimes seen is Auth:MP, which means that a message that is supposed to be in the activation stream coming from the headend is missing.'
Now how do I explain that to COX?

Well, they are going to send a truck out in the morning, that will be interesting. None of the phone 'techs' at Cox seem to really care much about 'solving' an issue.

Well, I'm not having much luck, I've called three times. They say they have sent the card all the required signals. It's working sort of, I get all the clear QAM channels but all the other digital channels I get 'not-subscribed', for example channel 123 works but channel 1066 doesn't:
20120222-15:13:21 CableCARD: Tuner0: vchannel 123 (697MHz-3) access = subscribed
20120222-15:13:26 CableCARD: Tuner2: vchannel 1066 (793MHz-3) access = not-subscribed
All my signals are 100% and I can see Mbps transmitting when I tune the channel but I get the Not Subscribed message after a few seconds. The COX guy said I should call Tivo, LOL!
EDIT: I think I see the problem but I don't know how to tell them what to do to fix it: On the Conditional Access screen I see 'Auth: MP'. That means 'Another error
sometimes seen is Auth:MP, which means that a message that is supposed to be in the activation stream coming from the headend is missing.'
Now how do I explain that to COX?

Well, they are going to send a truck out in the morning, that will be interesting. None of the phone 'techs' at Cox seem to really care much about 'solving' an issue.

If you're getting the clear QAM channels, then it's not activated at all - any QAM tuner will get these channels. I'm going to guess that the tech will know what "hits" to tell them to send to the box, as long as the tech has dealt with CableCards in the past. I think they had to send two "cold hits" to my CableCard to get it activated finally.

Well, I'm not having much luck, I've called three times. They say they have sent the card all the required signals. It's working sort of, I get all the clear QAM channels but all the other digital channels I get 'not-subscribed', for example channel 123 works but channel 1066 doesn't:
20120222-15:13:21 CableCARD: Tuner0: vchannel 123 (697MHz-3) access = subscribed
20120222-15:13:26 CableCARD: Tuner2: vchannel 1066 (793MHz-3) access = not-subscribed
All my signals are 100% and I can see Mbps transmitting when I tune the channel but I get the Not Subscribed message after a few seconds. The COX guy said I should call Tivo, LOL!
EDIT: I think I see the problem but I don't know how to tell them what to do to fix it: On the Conditional Access screen I see 'Auth: MP'. That means 'Another error
sometimes seen is Auth:MP, which means that a message that is supposed to be in the activation stream coming from the headend is missing.'
Now how do I explain that to COX?

Well, they are going to send a truck out in the morning, that will be interesting. None of the phone 'techs' at Cox seem to really care much about 'solving' an issue.

Sigh. It's too bad Cox's staff is so clueless when it comes to CableCard. Hopefully the tech will get it going tomorrow.

I am pretty sure both KHAS and KNOP are on VHF Low even after the conversion(they went back). Your post said you used a UHF Ant. This could be why the signal is so low.
Seems like most of the DMA is on VHF

Someone who lives in Kearney should give a more definitive answer but I know when I was in Kearney in 2010 I scanned with a pair of rabbit ears and a UHF loop antenna and I could not get KHAS. It only showed up with about 20% signal. They transmit at much lower power than they did with analog TV, and on channel 5 you basically need an aerial.

I did get their signal in Giltner using just basic rabbit ears though. Contrast that to KNOP in North Platte which I had a ton of difficulty locking in at a distance of only about 4 miles from the tower.

If you're getting the clear QAM channels, then it's not activated at all - any QAM tuner will get these channels. I'm going to guess that the tech will know what "hits" to tell them to send to the box, as long as the tech has dealt with CableCards in the past. I think they had to send two "cold hits" to my CableCard to get it activated finally.

The info displayed in MCE and the prime setup says it's activated. It is too bad that Cox has such poor training, it costs us all because we pay more for cable because of it. What I think is amazing is that once they find the correct procedure, they don't document it for the next customer. To me that is more than stupid and reflects the business practice of most monopolies I've seen over time, it really doesn't make any difference to them, one way or another. It really does not cost them as a business because they can just pass it on to the customer.

Card Authentication
success

Card OOB Lock
success

Card Activation
success

The digital transition has drastically changed TV DX - and, for the most part, not for the better.

It has not completely done away with TV DX, however. On the lowband (2-6) channels, DX is more rare - but more exotic. Sporadic E-skip can affect the low channels, usually from May through mid-August. In the past, this may have meant that stations from the far west and east U.S. were frequent - those are gone from analog now, but now, the band is almost open (not ch2 around NP and ch5 around Hastings, of course) to DX that all those stateside stations used to block. Canada, Mexico, even Central and northern South America are now possible.

On UHF, tropo still works as it used to. The problem is that DTV is like FM as analog TV was to AM - you can only receive a signal if it is stronger than any others on the channel. Having a sharply directional antenna is more important than ever for DX. The good news is that you won't miss IDing a station because it fades out the minute before the hour. With PSIP, you know what station you have as soon as you get it.

I catch all the locals in Kearney OTA without any problem. I have a batwing attention outside on my roof and I live on a hill, too. When KHAS was lower power, it still came in most of the time for me.

I am pretty sure both KHAS and KNOP are on VHF Low even after the conversion(they went back). Your post said you used a UHF Ant. This could be why the signal is so low.
Seems like most of the DMA is on VHF

The rabbit ears were VHF, but not large enough to adequately pull in the signals. Yes, the Lincoln and North Platte DMAs are predominantly VHF.

Ok, here's the rest of the story (see previous posts). The tech showed up this morning, really nice guy, ready to get this working, and I showed him everything. He called up his support tech and she looked at all the setup. She sent a hit and it didn't see to change anything.
SiliconDust emailed me last night on the ticket I opened that "Most problems we've seen with not-subscribed messages come from having the channel packages added to the account for billing purposes but not added to the card itself. Usually they just need to add the right packages, or remove them and then readd them, then send out the hit to authorize them on the card."
The Cox woman dropped and re-added the stuff and sent a hit, that didn't seem to work and she sent another hit and that seemed to do it.
Sooo, at this point I sort of think that what was needed was just the multiple hits but maybe the drop and re-add helped, not sure because both were done.
Anyway, I think the multiple hits are really the way to go, at first anyway. BTW: I'm getting the DIYHD and CookHD without having to do anything but I do have those digital packages so that make since.
I also asked how often they are sent to peoples houses with problems that could be solved by phone and he said it's happening more since they hired a bunch of new csr's to support the whole Cox central region out of Omaha.

Ok, here's the rest of the story (see previous posts). The tech showed up this morning, really nice guy, ready to get this working, and I showed him everything. He called up his support tech and she looked at all the setup. She sent a hit and it didn't see to change anything.
SiliconDust emailed me last night on the ticket I opened that "Most problems we've seen with not-subscribed messages come from having the channel packages added to the account for billing purposes but not added to the card itself. Usually they just need to add the right packages, or remove them and then readd them, then send out the hit to authorize them on the card."
The Cox woman dropped and re-added the stuff and sent a hit, that didn't seem to work and she sent another hit and that seemed to do it.
Sooo, at this point I sort of think that what was needed was just the multiple hits but maybe the drop and re-add helped, not sure because both were done.
Anyway, I think the multiple hits are really the way to go, at first anyway. BTW: I'm getting the DIYHD and CookHD without having to do anything but I do have those digital packages so that make since.
I also asked how often they are sent to peoples houses with problems that could be solved by phone and he said it's happening more since they hired a bunch of new csr's to support the whole Cox central region out of Omaha.

Great that you finally got it working!

Great that you finally got it working!

This is almost funny. It was working great, I even had it set up and working great thru the Dlink extender feeding the Logitech Revue and it was (and is again) working and looking good.
Then... I took my HD cable box back to Cox at Westroads. I could see the guy was jacking around with my account, I even told him not to mess with it because that's what the Cox people did to get it working, he couldn't figure out how to remove the cable box without changing the services. He asked the other guy for help and it appeared to both of them that everything was ok. Guess what, I got home and the Prime didn't work, I got the 'not-subscribed' message on all the encrypted channels! (Some of the conditional status info in the cable card displayed did look a little different than what I had before.) Anyway, I called Cox and the person I got could see what they did and shot a hit to it and I'm UP AND RUNNING AGAIN! So with my informal survery Cox employees are 4 out of 6 are disasters. What is interesting is that this last type of hit he did does not show up in the Prime logs. The 'cold hits' show up in the Prime logs as a series of initializations so you can see 'cold hits' come thru but not the 'other type/s'.

This is almost funny. It was working great, I even had it set up and working great thru the Dlink extender feeding the Logitech Revue and it was (and is again) working and looking good.
Then... I took my HD cable box back to Cox at Westroads. I could see the guy was jacking around with my account, I even told him not to mess with it because that's what the Cox people did to get it working, he couldn't figure out how to remove the cable box without changing the services. He asked the other guy for help and it appeared to both of them that everything was ok. Guess what, I got home and the Prime didn't work, I got the 'not-subscribed' message on all the encrypted channels! (Some of the conditional status info in the cable card displayed did look a little different than what I had before.) Anyway, I called Cox and the person I got could see what they did and shot a hit to it and I'm UP AND RUNNING AGAIN! So with my informal survery Cox employees are 4 out of 6 are disasters. What is interesting is that this last type of hit he did does not show up in the Prime logs. The 'cold hits' show up in the Prime logs as a series of initializations so you can see 'cold hits' come thru but not the 'other type/s'.

Must have been what happened to me too when I returned a cable box Saturday. I came home and the cable card in the prime was working fine, but the cable card in the ATI OCUR did not... I quick call to Cox fixed it however without too much discussions about Tivos and what not. Funny thing is that I tried to tell the automated system that my cable card was not working, but it would not have any of it...

Must have been what happened to me too when I returned a cable box Saturday. I came home and the cable card in the prime was working fine, but the cable card in the ATI OCUR did not... I quick call to Cox fixed it however without too much discussions about Tivos and what not. Funny thing is that I tried to tell the automated system that my cable card was not working, but it would not have any of it...

That does sound like they did same thing to your settings. With Ceton's new pricing I have a feeling there's going to be a lot more pc cable card tuners showing up in Omaha in the next few weeks. Cox techs are in for a quick education on consumer cable card use. I really like this Prime tuner. It will be interesting if some new Windows media center extenders show up on the market this year.

I had similar issues getting my CableCard/Prime working. I think the solution was calling the billing office and getting the CableCard authorized to receive the encrypted channels.

anyone with a tivo add the plus package channels from cox? what tivo do you have? any problems?

also does anyone have all three phone internet, and tv through cox and get a free premium, but is using a Tivo instead of a cox cable box?

Wow that is REAL BAD.
Hopefully that make this all HD as according to the station channel 51 is to become the FLAG SHIP station of Fox Nebraska which implies all the there other repeater stations will just carry what is on 51 (soon to be 15 mapped to 51).

If they dont , I will be the first to complain to the owners (the Omaha World Herald).

Now that KFXL is moving to Ch. 15 and still mapped to 51, what's going to happen to Ch. 51? Will the FCC delete that from channel? I hope they can move that channel closer to Omaha because I'm sure they could use another channel in that city and maybe sign on an independent or maybe pick up the My Network TV programming from KPTM on 42.2 and that can be a This TV affiliate full-time? Any thoughts?

Now that KFXL is moving to Ch. 15 and still mapped to 51, what's going to happen to Ch. 51? Will the FCC delete that from channel? I hope they can move that channel closer to Omaha because I'm sure they could use another channel in that city and maybe sign on an independent or maybe pick up the My Network TV programming from KPTM on 42.2 and that can be a This TV affiliate full-time? Any thoughts?

KFXL will still appear as 51.1 and so the FCC is not going to license another station in Lincoln on RF 51.

Picking up an M card today from Village Point and asking them to activate plus pack. Do I need a tuning adapter? Village point reps said I didn't but I have my doubts. They said they had never heard of such a thing. Sigh.

Picking up an M card today from Village Point and asking them to activate plus pack. Do I need a tuning adapter? Village point reps said I didn't but I have my doubts. They said they had never heard of such a thing. Sigh.

We don't need tuning adapters with Cox in Omaha at the moment.

/Anders

Picking up an M card today from Village Point and asking them to activate plus pack. Do I need a tuning adapter? Village point reps said I didn't but I have my doubts. They said they had never heard of such a thing. Sigh.
I think you will be ok if those digital channels are already in a package you subscribe too. At least that's the way it worked for me but with COX you never know until you see it work.

Thanks for the quick replies!

Get this, got my COX bill today and they charged me $40 for the self install of the cable card! These people make me so mad if there was any choice I would be gone in a second. This reminds me of the AT&T days.

KFXL will still appear as 51.1 and so the FCC is not going to license another station in Lincoln on RF 51.

Even though the transmit channel will be 15 and the virtual will still be 51, they can't license 51 and use another channel as a virtual one if you someone were to buy it?

The FCC is trying to clear off channel 51 to create a guard band for the cell phone users on 52 and above. No new licenses will be issued on 51.

- Trip

Get this, got my COX bill today and they charged me $40 for the self install of the cable card! These people make me so mad if there was any choice I would be gone in a second. This reminds me of the AT&T days.

Well you said (posted) on 2-23-12 cox showed up sounds like they charged you for a failed self install.

Ok, here's the rest of the story (see previous posts). The tech showed up this morning, really nice guy, ready to get this working, and I showed him everything. He called up his support tech and she looked at all the setup. She sent a hit and it didn't see to change anything.
SiliconDust emailed me last night on the ticket I opened that "Most problems we've seen with not-subscribed messages come from having the channel packages added to the account for billing purposes but not added to the card itself. Usually they just need to add the right packages, or remove them and then readd them, then send out the hit to authorize them on the card."
The Cox woman dropped and re-added the stuff and sent a hit, that didn't seem to work and she sent another hit and that seemed to do it.
Sooo, at this point I sort of think that what was needed was just the multiple hits but maybe the drop and re-add helped, not sure because both were done.
Anyway, I think the multiple hits are really the way to go, at first anyway. BTW: I'm getting the DIYHD and CookHD without having to do anything but I do have those digital packages so that make since.
I also asked how often they are sent to peoples houses with problems that could be solved by phone and he said it's happening more since they hired a bunch of new csr's to support the whole Cox central region out of Omaha.

The FCC is trying to clear off channel 51 to create a guard band for the cell phone users on 52 and above. No new licenses will be issued on 51.

- Trip

Okay, I figured it had something to do with that. It's kinda frustrating for owners that want to buy stations 7-50 and there very few channels available. Since they can't use channels 51-69 because of the band for cell phone users the other choice would be channels 2-6, but you have to deal with the interference as far as the weather and other atmospheric conditions.

ajwees41: Well you said (posted) on 2-23-12 cox showed up sounds like they charged you for a failed self install.

Ya, but it only failed because Cox techs don't know how to use their own software to do a self install. The Cox guy that came didn't do anthing at all, he just called a Cox tech who finally knew how to initialize the cable card. The Cox guy did not touch anything to get it working, he just talked on the phone to a Cox tech who knew how to set up a cable card, the other Cox people I talked to didn't know how to set it up. I got charged because Cox employee's don't know what they are doing and the Cox guy that showed up admitted that.

ajwees41: Well you said (posted) on 2-23-12 cox showed up sounds like they charged you for a failed self install.

Ya, but it only failed because Cox techs don't know how to use their own software to do a self install. The Cox guy that came didn't do anthing at all, he just called a Cox tech who finally knew how to initialize the cable card. The Cox guy did not touch anything to get it working, he just talked on the phone to a Cox tech who knew how to set up a cable card, the other Cox people I talked to didn't know how to set it up. I got charged because Cox employee's don't know what they are doing and the Cox guy that showed up admitted that.

Did you call and tell them that?

Did you call and tell them that?

Yes, she said they always charge for a cable card self install so I didn't get very far with that rep. Another example of a Cox rep who has no idea what they are talking about. It is just unbelievable how badly trained the Cox employee's are. It's not the employee's fault, they are not stupid, it's just very bad manangement because it's lack of training.
Added April 4th: I went to Westroads and the guy removed the $40 charge from my bill (at least he said he did?). He said that happens all the time!

Yes, she said they always charge for a cable card self install so I didn't get very far with that rep. Another example of a Cox rep who has no idea what they are talking about. It is just unbelievable how badly trained the Cox employee's are. It's not the employee's fault, they are not stupid, it's just very bad manangement because it's lack of training.

If your on Facebook or twitter try that way to contact them

If your on Facebook or twitter try that way to contact them

I filed an FCC complaint, dealing with them is really getting old. It also makes me sick because now that they support the region out of Omaha, the poor support/employee's give/s Omaha a bad name. Kind of like when that big telemarketer that was ripping people off all over the country was working out of Omaha a few years ago, Omaha doesn't need the reputation.

So I did the self install tonight with my cablecard from Cox and it can't find any channels (I used the 800 number to activate). I called back and they "re-paired" the card. No dice. They want to send a tech out of course. Want to avoid that.

Do I try the local number tomorrow or call the 800 number again? Frustration mounts...

Update

I called cox 800 number again and again a signal was sent. This time a signal actually went through. I get most analog channels now (nothing above 67 though) and I only get HD channels up to 1012 and nothing above. I subscribe to one premium movie channel and the sports and info tier.

I told the third tech at the 800 number that I had some analog and some HD but not everything. At which point he wanted to send out a tech. Sigh. Back to the drawing board. Question still stands - call the local now or the toll free.

I just know that if they hit it again i'll lose what few channels I have. :-)

Update

I called cox 800 number again and again a signal was sent. This time a signal actually went through. I get most analog channels now (nothing above 67 though) and I only get HD channels up to 1012 and nothing above. I subscribe to one premium movie channel and the sports and info tier.

I told the third tech at the 800 number that I had some analog and some HD but not everything. At which point he wanted to send out a tech. Sigh. Back to the drawing board. Question still stands - call the local now or the toll free.

I just know that if they hit it again i'll lose what few channels I have. :-)

How does the card look? Could it be bad? TiVo cable card slot bad?

Card looked fine when I got it and the Tivo is brand new - just got it yesterday.

And I did get a red M card. When I look at the signal strength meter I get 90 or above on all channels including the channels that don't show up. Channels that don't show just give me a black screen and a message that says "trouble finding the signal." And this includes all digital channels, not just the HD channels. Only getting analog and the QAM channels. I believe rmalbers had this same issue about a month ago where he was only getting analog and QAM and they sent out a technician who literally "phoned it in" and got it working, then charged him for installing the cable card.

And I did get a red M card. When I look at the signal strength meter I get 90 or above on all channels including the channels that don't show up. Channels that don't show just give me a black screen and a message that says "trouble finding the signal." And this includes all digital channels, not just the HD channels. Only getting analog and the QAM channels. I believe rmalbers had this same issue about a month ago where he was only getting analog and QAM and they sent out a technician who literally "phoned it in" and got it working, then charged him for installing the cable card.

Sounds identical to what happened to me. Anyway, eventually you have to find a Cox employee that knows ALL options that are available to get it to work. (This is part of my issue with Cox, if they would just document these 'methods and procedures' for their employess they wouldn't look so stupid.) My guess is in my case my problem was resolved when they dropped all services and re-added them to my account but I can not say for sure because what they did over the phone and what I saw lagged in time so I can't match action/reaction together. Cox really needs to get each of these devices in a lab and do some real work and document, like a normal company would do.