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Hi I'm new to this site and thread so I hope this question isn't a bad one. Since this thread is 125 pages it would take a while to see if there is an answer to my question.

I just started getting the over the air local HD channels tonight and I'm loving it. I live in North Durham. My question is about our local ABC-HD channel. I'm noticing they don't have hardly any HD programming. What's the reason for this? I was hoping the basketball game on Sunday would be broadcast in HD but according to their site it's not. Are they planning more HD in the near future?

Thanks.

Edit: I hope I'm wrong because I have ABC on right now and Jimmy Kimmel live looks HD to me. TV Guide channel and TitanTV doesn't show ABC having much HD programming. Any clarification?

My question is about our local ABC-HD channel. I'm noticing they don't have hardly any HD programming. What's the reason for this? I was hoping the basketball game on Sunday would be broadcast in HD but according to their site it's not. Are they planning more HD in the near future?

The local ABC station shows all the HD programming ABC offers. This includes almost the entire prime-time line up (Lost, Alias, Desperate Housewives, Grey's Anatomy, etc), and most of the national sports broadcasts (NFL, BCS football games, NBA playoffs and select games, Stanely Cup, etc).

So, if ABC is broadcasting something in HD, the local station will show it.

The problem is not everything is available in HD. And, as far as sports go, only the national and/or more important games will be done in HD - at least for now. More and more programming is being offered in HD all the time. And with each passing season, more of the games are in HD.

The local ABC station shows all the HD programming ABC offers. This includes almost the entire prime-time line up (Lost, Alias, Desperate Housewives, Grey's Anatomy, etc), and most of the national sports broadcasts (NFL, BCS football games, NBA playoffs and select games, Stanely Cup, etc).

So, if ABC is broadcasting something in HD, the local station will show it.

The problem is not everything is available in HD. And, as far as sports go, only the national and/or more important games will be done in HD - at least for now. More and more programming is being offered in HD all the time. And with each passing season, more of the games are in HD.

Great, thanks for the clarification. I was just confused because TV Guide and TitanTV listings don't list all of those shows as being HD for our local ABC. I thought that couldn't be right, and I'm glad it's not. I guess they just need to update their program listings.

deArgila: What part of Durham do you live in? I'm in North Durham about 35 miles away from the broadcast towers. Do you use OTA for your HD or Time Warner?

I'm using OTA and have an outdoor antenna pointed at the broadcast tower. Last night I watched for a couple of hours with no problems but all day today my reception has been dropping and getting pixelated every few minutes or so. I was just wondering if this was local problem today or something. It's been windy all day here as well. I'm new to the OTA HD world so I'm trying to figure things out as I go. Thanks.

danicus, Jimmy Kimmel Live is not broadcast in HD, only an SD upconvert....however, the basketball game you inquired about was broadcast in HD. ABC is doing an NBA Game of the Week each Sunday in HD. For sports, check http://www.hdsportsguide.com/ , it has the most accurate listings available.

I tried recording Bourne Identity last night 2-26-06 on 5.1 OTA and checked this morning to find I recorded CSI instead. Did 5.1 change the lineup ?
-Don B2

I tried recording Bourne Identity last night 2-26-06 on 5.1 OTA and checked this morning to find I recorded CSI instead. Did 5.1 change the lineup ?
-Don B2

I noticed the same thing, so I would assume they changed the lineup.

Drew

Drewwho,

Thanks that makes me feel better. I got fooled because the OTA ATSC Electronic Programming guide showed Bourne and the Raleigh Newspaper also showed Bourne and I I think McVee did also.

I hate it when that happens.

-Don B2

Hiya. I'm newish to the area and am less than thrilled with the local TWC service. (And for the life of me, I can't figure out why we don't have Bravo here.)

I had DirecTV a few years back and am pondering switching back to them. I just saw the article today about the HD-locals rollout in April, and that didn't hurt (although I would most likely wait till the rollout *actually* occurs--I do love me some HD serial dramas).

(I called TWC today to find out how much my monthly bill would be if I dropped everything but the cable modem, and they apparently have no interest in customer retention at all--I was half-expecting some sort of offer or sales pitch. Well, maybe only DirecTV does that? Whatever. In any case, the rep couldn't get me off the phone fast enough. "$44.95! $44.95! Anything else!?!")

So, couple of questions---

1) Has anyone recently made the switch from TWCNC to D*TV? How was your experience? I seem to remember overall video quality appearing a lot better (to my amateur eyes) when I originally switched from D*TV to terrestrial digital cable a few years ago (i.e., terrestrial cable looked much better than D*TV on my Zenith HDTV). Any insight on whether this might still be the case? If I switched to D*TV I would most likely go with whatever vanilla HD receiver they are offering for free. Not bothering with HD-DVR at this time.

2) Completely setting aside the CW merger, do either the UPN or WB affiliates here actually carry a HD version at this time? It's hard to tell from their websites.

Hiya. I'm newish to the area and am less than thrilled with the local TWC service. (And for the life of me, I can't figure out why we don't have Bravo here.)

2) Completely setting aside the CW merger, do either the UPN or WB affiliates here actually carry a HD version at this time? It's hard to tell from their websites.

I get Bravo. Probably one of the few regions in the area that do. Chapel Hill doesn't either. Search this thread for the bizarre situation about that because Ithink it's stupid as well.

Answer to number 2. WB22 and UPN28 affiliates are owned by Sinclair Broadcasting and they have zero interest in making the broadcasts any better then passable. I don't expect the situation to get any better as long as Sinclair remain in control, even when it switches to CW. WB over Charlotte way is owned by someone else so they get WBHD.

Hiya. I'm newish to the area and am less than thrilled with the local TWC service. (And for the life of me, I can't figure out why we don't have Bravo here.)

I had DirecTV a few years back and am pondering switching back to them. I just saw the article today about the HD-locals rollout in April, and that didn't hurt (although I would most likely wait till the rollout *actually* occurs--I do love me some HD serial dramas).

(I called TWC today to find out how much my monthly bill would be if I dropped everything but the cable modem, and they apparently have no interest in customer retention at all--I was half-expecting some sort of offer or sales pitch. Well, maybe only DirecTV does that? Whatever. In any case, the rep couldn't get me off the phone fast enough. "$44.95! $44.95! Anything else!?!")

So, couple of questions---

1) Has anyone recently made the switch from TWCNC to D*TV? How was your experience? I seem to remember overall video quality appearing a lot better (to my amateur eyes) when I originally switched from D*TV to terrestrial digital cable a few years ago (i.e., terrestrial cable looked much better than D*TV on my Zenith HDTV). Any insight on whether this might still be the case? If I switched to D*TV I would most likely go with whatever vanilla HD receiver they are offering for free. Not bothering with HD-DVR at this time.

2) Completely setting aside the CW merger, do either the UPN or WB affiliates here actually carry a HD version at this time? It's hard to tell from their websites.

If you interested in HD I wouldnt switch to DirectV. Do a searh on this board for the term "HD Lite".

Hi ,

I recently bought Samsung T-451 tuner which comes with QAM.
I am able to receive most all over-air channels thru Antenna.

I tried to tune the tuner using Cable since I have a basic cable.
The tuner has 3 cable tuning modes . STD/HRC/IRC.

The tune will lockinto many channels in STD and IRC tuning modes,
but will only show only few of them . I am able to see only TNT
and Discovery on IRC tuning . On STD tuning it will show couple
of Spanish channels . It will lock into many channels but going
up and down on channel list , it will say "No Signal" even though
on Signal Strength it shows many bars.

Anybody has any ideas on how can I get NBC/CBS/ABC/FOX using
QAM on T-451 , please post.

do either the UPN or WB affiliates here actually carry a HD version at this time? It's hard to tell from their websites.

WB22 broadcasts in HD. It is only available OTA, and they are broadcasting at minimal power, so it takes some luck to be able to get.

Speaking of them, in the last few weeks, I've noticed that they have started "zooming" commercials and upconverting them to HD, at least when my wife watches Reba. However, they are frequently forgetting to throw the switch when returning from commercial, and the show itself is in zoomed, upconverted SD until the next commercial. It is quite annoying.

Drew

Drewwho,

Thanks that makes me feel better. I got fooled because the OTA ATSC Electronic Programming guide showed Bourne and the Raleigh Newspaper also showed Bourne and I I think McVee did also.
-Don B2

You made me feel better too :)

My listings are from DataDirect (Zap2it) in MythTV. The wireless nic in my MythTV box is pretty flaky, so I manually enable it once every 2 weeks to load the TV schedule for the upcoming 2 weeks (rather than daily, which is what happens by default). On Sunday, my listings were 12 days old, so I figured the schedule had changed.

Drew

I get Bravo. Probably one of the few regions in the area that do. Chapel Hill doesn't either. Search this thread for the bizarre situation about that because Ithink it's stupid as well.

I gave up searching for the reason why we don't get Bravo. Is there a Post #, or do you have an explanation???

Hi ,

I recently bought Samsung T-451 tuner which comes with QAM.
I am able to receive most all over-air channels thru Antenna.

I tried to tune the tuner using Cable since I have a basic cable.
The tuner has 3 cable tuning modes . STD/HRC/IRC.

The tune will lockinto many channels in STD and IRC tuning modes,
but will only show only few of them . I am able to see only TNT
and Discovery on IRC tuning . On STD tuning it will show couple
of Spanish channels . It will lock into many channels but going
up and down on channel list , it will say "No Signal" even though
on Signal Strength it shows many bars.

Anybody has any ideas on how can I get NBC/CBS/ABC/FOX using
QAM on T-451 , please post.

I have a T-451 and I am able to get the locals in HD + Discovery and TNT-HD (and various SD channels).

I don't remember which mode I did the search in - I would think STD, but I don't recall. It's possible your signal is weak - so check the connections, remove any unecessary splitters, and look into an amp.

To check if it's a signal strength issue, you can connect the tuner to your main line and see if you can tune the channels. Alternatively, you can have a TWC guy come out and measure the signal strength for you.

------

On a different note - WB DOES BROADCAST IN HD LOCALLY. I know TWC doesn't carry it so some of you guys assume that they don't do it. But, yes, WB22 is in HD and available OTA (though under low power and not always guaranteed to pick it up depending on your location).

I gave up searching for the reason why we don't get Bravo. Is there a Post #, or do you have an explanation???
What is there to watch on bravo anyway? Not being a smartass or anything, I just have never heard anyone say there is much to watch on that channel.

EPG Question.
When I call up the OTA ATSC Electronic Programming Guide on my Pioneer unit I notice that during Prime time:
5.1,5.2 just displays - "DT programming"
4.1,4.2,4.3,4.4, and 4.5 show "No Programming"

5.1 I find the most perplexing, I thought it was affiliated with Fox 50.1 which does show its prime time scheduling in EPG.

-DonB2

I gave up searching for the reason why we don't get Bravo. Is there a Post #, or do you have an explanation???

Edvedd seems to have an idea.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5736477&&#post5736477

Hi ,

I recently bought Samsung T-451 tuner which comes with QAM.
I am able to receive most all over-air channels thru Antenna.

I tried to tune the tuner using Cable since I have a basic cable.
The tuner has 3 cable tuning modes . STD/HRC/IRC.

The tune will lockinto many channels in STD and IRC tuning modes,
but will only show only few of them . I am able to see only TNT
and Discovery on IRC tuning . On STD tuning it will show couple
of Spanish channels . It will lock into many channels but going
up and down on channel list , it will say "No Signal" even though
on Signal Strength it shows many bars.

Anybody has any ideas on how can I get NBC/CBS/ABC/FOX using
QAM on T-451 , please post.

I had the T-451 last fall. It was my 3rd HD STB after a toshiba and a LG. I liked the Sammy best. You want it set on STD. Try the below list. These are what I got when I had the Sammy. Some may have changed.

84.1 TNT (without the audio problem my LG 3510A had)
84.2 Dischd

85.1 CBSHD
85.2 CBSWX
85.3 CBSSD

90.1 PBS TV
90.2 PBSHD
90.3 PBS KIDS
90.4 PBS
90.5 PBS

105.13 CSTV (COLLEGE SPORTS TV)
105.11 TWC NEWS CHANNEL


111.1 NBCHD
111.2 NBCSD
111.3 NBCWX

113-1 ABCHD
113.5 ABCWX
113.6 ABCSD

113-2 FOXHD
113.3 FOXSD
113.4 FOXWX WRAL

117.9 PAX (PAX62 OF FAYETTEVILLE)
117.12 TELEMUNDO


118.2 (sOME LOCAL SALES CHANNEL OF RALEIGH)(CH.60 ON TWC OF RALEIGH/DURHAM/FAYETTEVILLE)
118.9 NBCSD ((WNCN 17 OF RALEIGH)
118.10 NBCSD (WECT 6 OF WILIMINGTON)
118.11 TWC NEWS CHANNEL

Daryl L,

I don't see UPN or WB in your list above. Is that because they were not HD? Or am I just not seeing them.

-DonB2

Can anyone suggest a ISF calibrator in our area?

Daryl L,

I don't see UPN or WB in your list above. Is that because they were not HD? Or am I just not seeing them.

-DonB2

Back in the fall my Samsung T-451 didn't pickup any WB or UPN digital channel. Now currently my Sharp LCD tv's built-in QAM tuner picks up a digital SD version of WB and UPN but all the QAM in the clear channels my Sharp gets are mapped to ch. #0 except CBS, ABC, NBC, FOX and PBS.

Daryl L .
"Sharp gets are mapped to ch. #0" I take it than that you can not view the QAM in the Clear channels because they all show up at zero?

BTW - not quite sure what "QAM in the Clear" means unless it is in reference to unscrambled channels.

Only have OTA presently but have been looking at the available TWC digital and HD channels available thru QAM and Basic Edition.

-DonB2

Daryl L .
"Sharp gets are mapped to ch. #0" I take it than that you can not view the QAM in the Clear channels because they all show up at zero?

BTW - not quite sure what "QAM in the Clear" means unless it is in reference to unscrambled channels.

Yep, it means unscrambled QAM channels, a.k.a In-the-Clear, a.k.a Free-to-Air. A few pages back, I and a couple others listed the unscrambled QAM channels we pickup with a QAM capable tuner.

Daryl L ,

I will check back a few pages than, I had gone back to pg 77 #2309 to reread the start of QAM availablity. I had always been fascinated with it since before purchasing my Samsung 451.

Some other reads were at :
2507
2526 - 85
2550 - 85
2654 - 89
2669
2670
2814 - 94

In case anyone does not feel like searching. I stopped at page 94 but will return.
-Don B2

DonB2,

HERE (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6830345&&#post6830345) Is the list I posted on page #110 of this thread. You musta passed it. ;) Others posted shortly before and after it also.

Daryl L ,

Thanks,

-Don B2

What is there to watch on bravo anyway? Not being a smartass or anything, I just have never heard anyone say there is much to watch on that channel.

For one thing, it's got West Wing in syndication.

I will likely be moving to Chapel Hill in the near future, and I'm wondering what kind of equipment I'll need to be able to pick up HD stations OTA. I currently have a Toshiba 46H84, but I don't have an HD tuner or an antenna. Could someone please recommend a good HD tuner and antenna? Are there any HD tuners that I can use my HDMI input on? Do I need any other equipment besides these two things? I really don't want to spend all that much money if it's possible.

This morning I was watching the morning ABC news. I think it is called Good Morning America. I was watching it with OTA ATSC and it sure did not look to be HD although the HD logo was up on the screen/.

Maybe it was just out of focus. I watch it in HD other mornings and it looks fine.

It was real obvious when they did side by side pics of a reporter in the field and the field reporter was very crisp and clear but the anchors looked fuzzy. More like you would see with NTSC analog OTA.

-Don B2

This morning I was watching the morning ABC news. I think it is called Good Morning America. I was watching it with OTA ATSC and it sure did not look to be HD although the HD logo was up on the screen/.

Maybe it was just out of focus. I watch it in HD other mornings and it looks fine.

It was real obvious when they did side by side pics of a reporter in the field and the field reporter was very crisp and clear but the anchors looked fuzzy. More like you would see with NTSC analog OTA.

-Don B2
There was discussion on this in a different thread. The aging cast at GMA didnt like the way they looked on the HD camera so the tech's installed a Gel Filter on the camera to soften the image. We get a ****** picture and charlie and Diane dont look like the old people that they are. :P

There was discussion on this in a different thread. The aging cast at GMA didnt like the way they looked on the HD camera so the tech's installed a Gel Filter on the camera to soften the image. We get a ****** picture and charlie and Diane dont look like the old people that they are. :P


Are you serious? If it is true I am surprised I didn't see it before. But than it has only been since a few weeks before the Olympics that I got my 11.1 dialed in better after adjusting 17.1 for the Olympics. Of course now I do not get 28 at all and 22 is unreliable during prime time.

Previous to the Olympics I had to use analog for ABC to keep better half happy.

One screen freeze in ATSC and I get a "This is HD isn't it." from the better half.

I see a rotor or TWC in my future.

-Don B2

anyone know about whether WRAL will have additional sub-channels for NCAA tournament?

david118383 ,

You can check at http://antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx to see how large and antenna you will need from Chapel Hill.

You should not need a large one for the PBS station on 4.1 since it is transmitting from that area but most all of the other ones like ABC,CBS, and NBC are all coming from an Antenna farm near Garner.

You may also receive channels from the West of you but not sure as I am not in Chapel Hill.

It seems a Samsung 451 is one of the easier STB's to get your hands on. Has a pretty good front end but not the best with multipath ghosts.

If other people have found better STB tuners please chime in.

I have heard that a HUMAX HFA100 is an alternative to a Samsung.

I have also heard that the latest chip set from LG is good at handling multipath but is only available as a tuner built in to a TV.

_DonB2

TNT-HD is very pixelated today over my QAM, it has never been like that before, and i watch almost every week the NBA games on Thursdays.

Discovery-HD, a channel just before TNT, is flawless as always...

weird

EDIT: actually, it's only happening during the game, during commercials it is fine.

Ok thanks Don. I'm going to be in an apartment though so I'll need an indoor antenna. Could someone recommend one?

MyNetworkTV Signs 17 Sinclair Stations

By Michele Greppi - Television Week

The new-network affiliate wars heated up with the announcement Thursday that Fox's MyNetworkTV has signed as affiliates 17 of the 24 Sinclair Broadcast Group owned-or-operated stations that have been affiliated with The WB or UPN, which is merging into The CW.

The announcement was made jointly by Fox Television Stations CEO Jack Abernethy and Sinclair President and CEO David Smith.

The 17 stations cover 11.9 percent of the U.S. TV universe.

The WB-affiliated Sinclair stations signed in the deal include WTTA-TV in Tampa, Fla., (the 12th-largest market in the country), WCWB-TV in Pittsburgh (market No. 22), KVWB-TV in Las Vegas (48), WSTR-TV in Cincinnati (34), WBSC-TV in Greenville, S.C. (35), KRRT-TV in San Antonio, (37), WTVZ-TV Norfolk, Va. (42), WNYO-TV Buffalo, N.Y. (49), WNYS-TV Syracuse, N.Y. (76), and WDKA-TV in Paducah, Ky. (80).

The UPN-affiliated stations affiliating with MyNetworkTV include WRDC-TV in Raleigh, N.C. (market 29), WUXP-TV Nashville, Tenn. (30), WCGV-TV in Milwaukee (33), WABM-TV in Birmingham, Ala. (40), WUPN-TV Greensboro, N.C. (47), WMMP-TV Charleston, S.C. (64).

Also part of the deal is Sinclair's independent station WFGX-TV in Mobile, Ala. (market 62).

In a handful of markets where Sinclair has UPN-WB duopolies, it retains stations that presumably face the choice of going independent or competing for affiliation with The CW.

david118383 ,

There are some powerd tv top antennas sold at Radio Shack and Walmart. One of them from Radio Shack even states it will rotate to the direction of the station you are attempting to watch - not sure how it does it.

I bought one of the Silver "Somethings" whcih is a tv top device. It worked okay but is not powered. It sort of looks like a model airplane on a stand.

-Don

I picked this up at remotecentral.com

"In another interesting twist, Fox announced they will launch a 2nd Network (Fox 2) titled 'My Network TV'. Basically, they will go and rip off programs that work on Telemundo, Telefutra, BBC and so forth and put them in an English-American setting."

This could be an interesting choice of programming. I guess time will tell.

Of course I still have to catch up on some posts on this site so forgive me if this is old news.

-DOnB2

I had the T-451 last fall. It was my 3rd HD STB after a toshiba and a LG. I liked the Sammy best. You want it set on STD. Try the below list. These are what I got when I had the Sammy. Some may have changed.

84.1 TNT (without the audio problem my LG 3510A had)
84.2 Dischd

85.1 CBSHD
85.2 CBSWX
85.3 CBSSD

90.1 PBS TV
90.2 PBSHD
90.3 PBS KIDS
90.4 PBS
90.5 PBS

105.13 CSTV (COLLEGE SPORTS TV)
105.11 TWC NEWS CHANNEL


111.1 NBCHD
111.2 NBCSD
111.3 NBCWX

113-1 ABCHD
113.5 ABCWX
113.6 ABCSD

113-2 FOXHD
113.3 FOXSD
113.4 FOXWX WRAL

117.9 PAX (PAX62 OF FAYETTEVILLE)
117.12 TELEMUNDO


118.2 (sOME LOCAL SALES CHANNEL OF RALEIGH)(CH.60 ON TWC OF RALEIGH/DURHAM/FAYETTEVILLE)
118.9 NBCSD ((WNCN 17 OF RALEIGH)
118.10 NBCSD (WECT 6 OF WILIMINGTON)
118.11 TWC NEWS CHANNEL





Hi ,

I have been able to get CBS/ABC/FOX/TNT/DISCOVERY and some other channels
thru QAM now on Samy T-451 .

However it won't tune to NBC on 111 . Can somebody confirm which channels is
NBC coming on QAM on T-451.

Thanks

I occasionally get a thin line of white static at the very top of the picture on 11.1. Does anyone else get this??

Hello fellow TWC customers, the following is info gathered from emails to TWC Executive Fred Dressler. These are his quotes.

Future HD channel update

ESPN2-HD - hopeful to have espn2hd in time for baseball.
STARZ-HD - End of the year at the earliest
CINEMAX-HD – is almost done
TMC-HD - is done
Wealth TV-HD - are not in the works
Outdoor Channel 2-HD – are not in the works
MHD (MTV) - will take many months to conclude.
National Geographic-HD - No Word
Food Network-HD - Scripps has not yet made us a proposal.
HGTV-HD - Scripps has not yet made us a proposal.

^ Great, just in time for when theres absolutely no reason to watch either ESPN for the next five months :)

NCBrad,

"I occasionally get a thin line of white static at the very top of the picture on 11.1. Does anyone else get this?? "

I do not see it in OTA HD on my Pioneer.

I did find it odd this moring that GMA for the most part was not in 16:9, even their news coverage of the award ceremony had grapics images of Oscar awards to left and right of the "4x3" digital image.

-DonB2

^ Great, just in time for when theres absolutely no reason to watch either ESPN for the next five months :)

Good time to drop the HD Suite...

hey:

i'm new to hdtv in raleigh, nc. does anyone know where a list can be found for the stations (the actual channel numbers) that broadcast HDTV programming over the air in and around raleigh, n.c.? thanks,

anyone know about whether WRAL will have additional sub-channels for NCAA tournament?

TWC just put something on their website - www.twcnc.com.

hey:

i'm new to hdtv in raleigh, nc. does anyone know where a list can be found for the stations (the actual channel numbers) that broadcast HDTV programming over the air in and around raleigh, n.c.? thanks,
go to http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx and type in your addy. all the locals broadcast in HD. CBS, ABC, FOX, NBC, and so on.

Hello fellow TWC customers, the following is info gathered from emails to TWC Executive Fred Dressler. These are his quotes.

Future HD channel update

ESPN2-HD - hopeful to have espn2hd in time for baseball.
STARZ-HD - End of the year at the earliest
CINEMAX-HD – is almost done
TMC-HD - is done
Wealth TV-HD - are not in the works
Outdoor Channel 2-HD – are not in the works
MHD (MTV) - will take many months to conclude.
National Geographic-HD - No Word
Food Network-HD - Scripps has not yet made us a proposal.
HGTV-HD - Scripps has not yet made us a proposal.


thanks for the update. The only channel I care about is Starz so that's a bit of a bummer. Sinemax and TMC are fairly pointless movie channels given how long it usually takes them to get a big first run movie.

^ Great, just in time for when theres absolutely no reason to watch either ESPN for the next five months :)


Lol I DEFINATELY moved to the wrong area. Love baseball and hate college basketball ;)

Lol I DEFINATELY moved to the wrong area. Love baseball and hate college basketball ;)

Yea, baseball is definitely much better if you just want something on the tube while your knitting or doing a crossword puzzle.

How any one could love college basketball with all that adrenaline and stress inducing drama of such a fast paced action packed game with kids maturing and developing their skills over the course of a season; I'll never know. :)

Go Tar Heels !!!

Lets not be picking on Baseball, they just lost a young Hall of Famer.

-DonB2

folks:
i live in raleigh, on peace street, between cameron village and broughton high school. I have a southeast and southern exposure. to this point, i have tried two different powered indoor antennas and been able to pull in NO over-the-air HDTV broadcasts. it seems like i should be able to, considering the conditions. i have a sony 960xbr with built in HDTV tuner.

anybody have any suggestions (other than cable or an outdoor antenna -- i'm not interested in paying a monthly HDTV cable bill and i live in an apartment, which makes an outdoor antenna untenable).

thanks for any help

paulnccu ,

I don't know if $11.99 per month from TWC but with it people are getting HD if your receiver has QAM capability.

What floor are you on?

I am guessing without looking that Garner Stations are more South West of you, can anyone confirm this?

Do you have a VCR or something with an analog NTSC receiver just to see if you can even get the analog equivalent of these channels?

-DonB2

Bump:

EPG Question.
When I call up the OTA ATSC Electronic Programming Guide on my Pioneer unit I notice that during Prime time:
5.1,5.2 just displays - "DT programming"
4.1,4.2,4.3,4.4, and 4.5 show "No Programming"

5.1 I find the most perplexing, I thought it was affiliated with Fox 50.1 which does show its prime time scheduling in EPG.

-DonB2

folks (and donb2):
i'm on tyhe second floor and i get the analog stations fine (wral-OK, fox-VG, NBC17-VG, ABC-Good, UPN-Execellent)...

i'm sorry don2b but did some words drop out of the first paragraph of your message posting? i assume twc is time-warner, but the rest of it -- what is it that's $11.99? -- I dont understand. nor do i know what QAM capability is.

I dont understand. nor do i know what QAM capability is.
do a search on the board for "QAM".

Anyone else have a problem with American Idol last night with no center channel? Worked good during commercials but when Idol came back no center.

Anyone else have a problem with American Idol last night with no center channel? Worked good during commercials but when Idol came back no center.

Same here from WRAZ-DT50

Does any have a problem with Closed captioning on WRAL-HD? It seems like the captioning is either a bit behind the scene or way ahead. This was specially true on CSI:NY from last Wed.

Also, if enable CC, it may sometimes take a minute or two for it to start showing. I haven't had this problem on other channels, just WRAL.

Any ideas?

i'm sorry don2b but did some words drop out of the first paragraph of your message posting? i assume twc is time-warner, but the rest of it -- what is it that's $11.99? -- I dont understand. nor do i know what QAM capability is.

Basic Edition from Time Warner Cable is $11.99 a month so is not free. But if your (sony 960xbr with built in HDTV tuner) ATSC tuner has QAM capability - and you should check your owners manual to see, than if you get Basic Edition cable from TWC you can get a suite of digial and HD channels.

I can't help you more on this because I do not yet have TWC. But you do not have to go too far back on this board to learn more.

-DonB2

Anyone else have this problem with HDNET. Every 5 minutes or so the screen will freeze for about 4-5 seconds and then pick up where it left off. This only happens on the HDNET channel and only started happening about 2-3 days ago.

Also, anyone notice that UHD had Tech deficulties last night. Blue screen and all. Wonder what happened.

Anyone else have this problem with HDNET. Every 5 minutes or so the screen will freeze for about 4-5 seconds and then pick up where it left off. This only happens on the HDNET channel and only started happening about 2-3 days ago.

Also, anyone notice that UHD had Tech deficulties last night. Blue screen and all. Wonder what happened.

Yep. I noticed HDNet freezing over the weekend.

I was waffling to switch to something other than TWC.. called to cancel, no attempt at retention whatsoever (4 year customer). I'm not sure I would have taken a deal, but was really suprised they didn't even ask "are you sure" or "why".

Mike

I was waffling to switch to something other than TWC.. called to cancel, no attempt at retention whatsoever (4 year customer). I'm not sure I would have taken a deal, but was really suprised they didn't even ask "are you sure" or "why".

Mike
because they know you will be comming back once you see the crappy picture of Sat. :)

Bump:

EPG Question.
When I call up the OTA ATSC Electronic Programming Guide on my Pioneer unit I notice that during Prime time:
5.1,5.2 just displays - "DT programming"
4.1,4.2,4.3,4.4, and 4.5 show "No Programming"

5.1 I find the most perplexing, I thought it was affiliated with Fox 50.1 which does show its prime time scheduling in EPG.

-DonB2

over QAM i haven't seen any digital channel that has any EPG in it... they all say "no info available".

because they know you will be comming back once you see the crappy picture of Sat. :)

i guess you have been reading this thread with your eyes closed... LOL

every single person here have a problem with crap quality of either picture and/or sound, yet you still insist that TWC is superior to satellite... i find that to be hilarious :D

also, the offering of HD channels TWC has compared to dish network is just absurd...

so even if i TWC HD quality was like seeing god, if it is pixelated or audio is melfunctioning, i don't see any 'advantage' TWC will have over sat if you cannot watch it... my 2c

What indoor antenna's did you try and what degree orientation? Also, remember HD broadcasts are only UHF in our area and if you have a crappy UHF antenna you may have issues. You should not have any issues from you location except possibly mutlipath.

According to antenna web and a zip code of 27604 you should be able to pick up all stations (except PBS) with a UHF antenna with an orientation of 171 degrees, (for PBS turn it around about 180 degrees in the opposite direction). My suggestion for an indoor UHF antenna would be a Zenith SIlver Sensor (ZSS).

By the way I live out Lake wheeler way (no downtown buildings) and picked up all stations great for over two years with the (ZSS) so much so that I quit TWC limited basic and stacked antennas in the attic with a pre-amp and am cablefree since last September.

Hope that helps,

Henry


folks:
i live in raleigh, on peace street, between cameron village and broughton high school. I have a southeast and southern exposure. to this point, i have tried two different powered indoor antennas and been able to pull in NO over-the-air HDTV broadcasts. it seems like i should be able to, considering the conditions. i have a sony 960xbr with built in HDTV tuner.

anybody have any suggestions (other than cable or an outdoor antenna -- i'm not interested in paying a monthly HDTV cable bill and i live in an apartment, which makes an outdoor antenna untenable).

thanks for any help

i guess you have been reading this thread with your eyes closed... LOL

every single person here have a problem with crap quality of either picture and/or sound, yet you still insist that TWC is superior to satellite... i find that to be hilarious :D

also, the offering of HD channels TWC has compared to dish network is just absurd...

so even if i TWC HD quality was like seeing god, if it is pixelated or audio is melfunctioning, i don't see any 'advantage' TWC will have over sat if you cannot watch it... my 2c
i had dish for 3 days before canceling and going back to TWC, the voom channels are worthless. the SD channels were almost unwatchable, and the regular HD channels were not as good in PQ as TWC. TWC in terms of PQ is Superior. have you compared the 2? i have..

over QAM i haven't seen any digital channel that has any EPG in it... they all say "no info available".

I've never seen EPG on QAM, only on ATSC. I think it must either be stripped out, or not inserted or something. I guess the cable company expects subscribers to be using their hardware, which can pick up their program guide information.

Drew

i had dish for 3 days before canceling and going back to TWC, the voom channels are worthless. the SD channels were almost unwatchable, and the regular HD channels were not as good in PQ as TWC. TWC in terms of PQ is Superior. have you compared the 2? i have..

did you compare the 2 on the same tv?

which IRD did you have for dish?

besides, i was only referring to HD channels...

I was a 5+ year Dish Network customer and was happy with the Standard Def service and the performance of my PVR, however when considering what it would take to get Hi Def w/a Hi Def PVR I concluded that TWC couldn't be beat.
I've now been with TWC for about 4 months and am very satisfied. Benefits of switch to cable versus having stayed with Dish are: 1) I didn't have to purcahse another PVR that I'd have to maintain and would become obselete, 2) didn't have to install an antenna to get hi-def locals or deal with routing another wire from the antenna into the house.
I think that picture quality of the standard def stuff is essentially equal between the two - at least it has been for me. The hi-def stuff that I'm getting from TW has been very good, although I'm occassionally bothered by the irritating pixelation episodes that occur on some networks - but that's probably not TWC.

did you compare the 2 on the same tv?

which IRD did you have for dish?

besides, i was only referring to HD channels...
same TV. I had the dish 1000 (still on my roof) the 8111 STB. TWC has better PQ in every way then Dish. atleast here in raleigh. i cant speak for TWC anywhere else.

shpitz ,

EPG Question.
When I call up the OTA ATSC Electronic Programming Guide on my Pioneer unit I notice that during Prime time:
5.1,5.2 just displays - "DT programming"
4.1,4.2,4.3,4.4, and 4.5 show "No Programming"

5.1 I find the most perplexing, I thought it was affiliated with Fox 50.1 which does show its prime time scheduling in EPG.

-DonB2

over QAM i haven't seen any digital channel that has any EPG in it... they all say "no info available".

It is OTA ATSC EPG that I am referring to not QAM.
-Don B2

same TV. I had the dish 1000 (still on my roof) the 8111 STB. TWC has better PQ in every way then Dish. atleast here in raleigh. i cant speak for TWC anywhere else.

I had DISH for 7 years and have had TWC for over a year. To say TWC has better picture quality on SD channels is just a lie. I never had HD channels on DISH but I will in April when the locals go up and I make the switch back.
SD channels from TWC or SAT look like crap compared to HD on my 62" HDTV. But comparing SD to SD on my 36" or my 62" the DISH channels are every bit as good as TWC if not better.

I had DISH for 7 years and have had TWC for over a year. To say TWC has better picture quality on SD channels is just a lie. I never had HD channels on DISH but I will in April when the locals go up and I make the switch back.

DirecTV is also about to start providing local HD for Raleigh in the next month or so.

DirecTV is also about to start providing local HD for Raliegh in the next month or so.

Yea but DirecTV suffers from the same lack of HD commitment as TWC.
DISH has VOOM and as some like to attack VOOM it is HD and like most of you in this forum i find myself watching things in HD that I would never watch in SD.
And I have heard Equator is a nice Discovery-HD type channel and there are a couple more like the music, sports and news; I could see myself watching.

DISH just seems to have more of a commitment to adding HD channels. Anybody want to wager who the first to add National Geographic HD will be ?

I myself am not impressed with any HD channels that show old TV shows like Night Rider that I will never watch. Like most of you, I want Original Content on an HD channel and DISH offers more. I will miss INHD though, I love some MMA.

To say TWC has better picture quality on SD channels is just a lie.
The SD channels on Dish were much worse then on TWC. Why would I lie about SD channels? I have nothing to gain. Anyone in the area is welcome over my house to see what the SD channels look like on my TV from TWC. They are pretty much as good as you can ask for. With dish they were much softer. Again, anyone in raleigh is welcome over to see for yourself. :)

Anybody want to wager who the first to add National Geographic HD will be ?


Before you start counting your money, News Corp owns a significant part of NGC.

The SD channels on Dish were much worse then on TWC. Why would I lie about SD channels? I have nothing to gain. Anyone in the area is welcome over my house to see what the SD channels look like on my TV from TWC. They are pretty much as good as you can ask for. With dish they were much softer. Again, anyone in raleigh is welcome over to see for yourself. :)

I am not saying TWC's SD channels are unwatchable like you claim DISH SD channels are. My mother has a 50" Sony Wega HDTV and her SD channels are every bit as good as TWC.
Going to your house would do nothing for anyone in this forum since we all have TWC. Now when I get DISH, I will have overlap with TWC and I also receive HD OTA. No one is invited over, but I will let you know MY findings.

Like everyone here I want the most HD and best SD bang for the buck, and when I find it I will let you know.

I do apologize for using the word "lie".
Maybe your DISH receiver was using composite. :)

I am not saying TWC's SD channels are unwatchable like you claim DISH SD channels are. My mother has a 50" Sony Wega HDTV and her SD channels are every bit as good as TWC.
Going to your house would do nothing for anyone in this forum since we all have TWC. Now when I get DISH, I will have overlap with TWC and I also receive HD OTA. No one is invited over, but I will let you know MY findings.

Like everyone here I want the most HD and best SD bang for the buck, and when I find it I will let you know.

I do apologize for using the word "lie".
Maybe your DISH receiver was using composite. :) Ya, thats it, the dish reciever was connected via composite. :rolleyes: In any case, in my experiance, TWC was superior to dish in both SD and HD content. :)

Yep. I noticed HDNet freezing over the weekend.
Are you still noticing it? I was watching something last night and it froze a few times also. I wonder what is going on?

Are you still noticing it? I was watching something last night and it froze a few times also. I wonder what is going on?

It was still going on this morning.

I had DISH for 7 years and have had TWC for over a year. To say TWC has better picture quality on SD channels is just a lie. I never had HD channels on DISH but I will in April when the locals go up and I make the switch back.
Do you have a link to an article indicating that locals for Raleigh will be included on Dish? I know DirecTV will be adding them soon, but Ive only seen 12 cities listed for Dish, and Raleigh was not one of them (and the thread discussing this was only a few days old).

Yea but DirecTV suffers from the same lack of HD commitment as TWC.

I don't know if spending over a billion dollars to launch 3 sats specifically for HD is a "lack of HD commitment" on D*'s part. Quite the contrary. But those with the HD LILs in other markets say they see very little difference in the D* PQ and OTA. I personally haven't seen it so I can only rely on what others who have the service have been saying. The Triad should be in the next round that should be up this summer.

I just wanted to say how impressed I was with WRAL's handling of the conflict between the ACC tournement in SD (thanks to our friends at Jeffersion Pilot) and the Big 10 in HD. I'm glad the showed the CBS HD feed on WRAL-HD, and relegated the ACC tournement to an SD subchannel. I personally watched the Duke/Wake game, but had I wanted to see the Big 10 game, I'd have been really glad it was not preempted for an SD game.

I was also impressed that they showed Numbers at 3:33am just like they said they would.

Drew

^ it's 5:30pm and both 5.1 and 5.2 are showing the big10 game

^ it's 5:30pm and both 5.1 and 5.2 are showing the big10 game

Yep, and 85-4 (QAM) has the ACC game. I guess that channel is not available OTA. I agree, it would have made sense for them to put the ACC game on 5.2..

Drew

I don't know if spending over a billion dollars to launch 3 sats specifically for HD is a "lack of HD commitment" on D*'s part. Quite the contrary. ...

The lack of commitment was just a comment on how many HD channels they have compared to DISH. I hope the SATs they launched aren't just for Locals. I would love to get D* if they were the ones with more HD channels, then I could get NFL too.

ENDContra:
As far as HD locals going up on SAT, D* had a statement saying the triangle will be added in April. DISH has just been adding cities right and left since their new SAT was launched and I'm sure won't fall behind on local HD's if they can at all help it. Also I believe DISH is starting a new HD ad campaign in April.

hey i am using a channel master 3016 advantage antenna..

i am having problems with FOX22..

my current signals are as follows..

5....95-100%
11...93-98%
17..95-100%
22...78-80% during the day it drops into the 50% range..have no no clue as to why..
28...0-10%....very problematic signal
47...60-70%
50...90-96%

overall the channel i want the most is FOX 22 i would love for it to have a signal between 90-95 if thats possible..

i live in selma my zipcode is 27576...its a one story house..

i get 21 channels with the signals above if that helps any..

will rasing the antenna 6 feet help pull in a stronger signal??

also judging by the signal quality i can safely assume i am pointed in the right direction?? correct??

my HDTV box is a directv h20 if that helps i got it from wally world for 98.74..

The lack of commitment was just a comment on how many HD channels they have compared to DISH. I hope the SATs they launched aren't just for Locals. I would love to get D* if they were the ones with more HD channels, then I could get NFL too.

The 2 already launched are for locals and the third scheduled for launch first of next year is for nationals. This gives them 1000 HD LIL stations and 150 national channels. More bandwidth than E* or cable.

It's NOT "FOX22" - it's WB22 (soon to be CW22) and FOX50.

Also 22 and 28 are owned operated by Sinclair Broadcasting groups - doing their digital on very low power..

The 2 already launched are for locals and the third scheduled for launch first of next year is for nationals. This gives them 1000 HD LIL stations and 150 national channels. More bandwidth than E* or cable.

I don't want a HD provider with potential, I want one with HD channels I can watch.

I don't keep up with all the SAT's that go up, but I know DISH just got one up to add to their fleet. And I haven't heard it reported anywhere that D* is eclipsing DISH with bandwidth. So to me as a consumer I won't buy something on promises or potential that may never happen. For any of us that love HD it comes down to channels and hardware. And I know from DISH experience the EPG bug on my 8300HD would have been fixed by now. In fact they actually add features to their receivers from time to time. The "interactive news & info" channel on TWC is a joke compared to DISH's 5 year old receivers.

I just wish TWC didn't have such a monopoly in this area so we would see some competitive spirit fighting for our business.

I don't want a HD provider with potential, I want one with HD channels I can watch.

Right now D* is the only one who has publicly stated how they will be adding more HD and when they will do it. E* hasn't done that other than to piece meal something every week or so to make it look like they are doing something, and cable hasn't said a word. D* has been launching new satellites over the last 12 months dedicated to HD and have at least 2 more launches scheduled for the next 18 months. No word form E* on when their next HD bird is being launched.

If you wish to live in the now, then go right ahead, that is your right. I am sure next week whomever has more channels will love to have your money and then the week after that provider will love to have more of your money.

Right now D* is the only one who has publicly stated how they will be adding more HD and when they will do it. E* hasn't done that other than to piece meal something every week or so to make it look like they are doing something, and cable hasn't said a word. D* has been launching new satellites over the last 12 months dedicated to HD and have at least 2 more launches scheduled for the next 18 months. No word form E* on when their next HD bird is being launched.

If you wish to live in the now, then go right ahead, that is your right. I am sure next week whomever has more channels will love to have your money and then the week after that provider will love to have more of your money.
Are you getting paid for your D* advertisements? lol. you can keep your HD-Lite channels all for yourself. D* could offer 1 million HD channels for all I care, but as long as the HD content looks the way it does now, you couldnt pay me to switch to D*..

Are you getting paid for your D* advertisements? lol. you can keep your HD-Lite channels all for yourself. D* could offer 1 million HD channels for all I care, but as long as the HD content looks the way it does now, you couldnt pay me to switch to D*..

Funny. I've often wondered how much TWC was paying you. ;)

Everybody has an opinion. Most of us here have pretty strong ones. They're all right to some extent.

Everybody has an opinion. Most of us here have pretty strong ones. They're all right to some extent. agreed. :)

I've got two LG 37 HDTVs (du37lz30) with Raleigh TWC cable boxes, one the SA Explorer 8000HD and the other the newer SA Explorer 8300HD. Both are connected with component cables. I am thinking about changing to DVI cables, but had a few questions:

1. Is the picture quality noticeably better with DVI vs. component cables?

2. Do both the 8000HD and 8300HD cable boxes work with DVI or just the 8300HD?

3. Am I correct that DVI is just video, so you would still need audio cables?

4. I see DVI cables with a vast range of prices from the very expensive Monster cables to much cheaper ones--are the more expensive ones better? or should the cheaper ones work fine?

Thanks for all your help!

I've got two LG 37 HDTVs (du37lz30) with Raleigh TWC cable boxes, one the SA Explorer 8000HD and the other the newer SA Explorer 8300HD. Both are connected with component cables. I am thinking about changing to DVI cables, but had a few questions:

1. Is the picture quality noticeably better with DVI vs. component cables?

2. Do both the 8000HD and 8300HD cable boxes work with DVI or just the 8300HD?

3. Am I correct that DVI is just video, so you would still need audio cables?

4. I see DVI cables with a vast range of prices from the very expensive Monster cables to much cheaper ones--are the more expensive ones better? or should the cheaper ones work fine?

Thanks for all your help!
click the link, i think it may help you. the best thing to do is see for yourself by trying both connections. http://www.bluejeanscable.com/articles/dvihdmicomponent.htm

also, i dont know what 8300 box you have but mine has HDMI not DVI.

I am in Wilson and TWC has blacked out the ACC final game in HD on ESPNHD. I don't understand this. They are showing the game on ESPN and WRAL SD2 but not on ESPNHD. The program guide even lists the game on ESPNHD. I called customer service and they said the game was blacked out as of friday afternoon yet those chose not to tell anyone. They gave me a measly $1.39 credit for the channel not working when the program guide showed data. What a bunch of crap!!!

I am in Wilson and TWC has blacked out the ACC final game in HD on ESPNHD. I don't understand this. They are showing the game on ESPN and WRAL SD2 but not on ESPNHD. The program guide even lists the game on ESPNHD. I called customer service and they said the game was blacked out as of friday afternoon yet those chose not to tell anyone. They gave me a measly $1.39 credit for the channel not working when the program guide showed data. What a bunch of crap!!!

You'll have to thank JP Morgan Sports for that. They are the worst excuse for a broadcasting company in basically the entire country yet they got the exclusive contract for a number of ACC games, including the tournament. So even though they can't get their head of out of the a** long enough to figure out how to do HD (they're response when asked was basically, "gosh, HD is hard") we can't watch the game in HD because of the agreement the ACC made with JP Sports.

I'd complain to the ACC each and every time an ACC game is not broadcast in HD by JP Sports. Maybe at least when the contract comes up again (which isn't until like 2009 unfortunately) the ACC will understand the issue.

...If you wish to live in the now, then go right ahead, that is your right. I am sure next week whomever has more channels will love to have your money and then the week after that provider will love to have more of your money.

DirecTv nor TWC has ever had as many HD channels as DISH. If they ever do we can resume this conversation.

DISH DirecTv TWC

ESPN-HD X X X
ESPN2-HD X X
DiscoveryHD X X X
UniversalHD X X X
TNT-HD X X X
HDNet X X X
HDNetMovies X X X
INHD X
INHD2 X
( VOOM )
Rush-HD X
Rave-HD X
HD-News X
Ultra-HD X
Equator-HD X
Gallery-HD X
Monsters-HD X
Animania-HD X
FilmFest-HD X
KungFu-HD X
WldSport-HD X
WldCinma-HD X
Family-HD X
Treasure-HD X
GamePlay-HD X

"I was also impressed that they showed Numbers at 3:33am just like they said they would"

And darn if I didn't screw up recording it!!!!

-Don B2

ABC 11.1 OTA - Saturday What Lies Beneath-

Just curious if anyone who watched this show observed any lock up or digital signal problems during the 1st hour of the movie, I did and had to switch to analog.

-DonB2

Are you getting paid for your D* advertisements? lol. you can keep your HD-Lite channels all for yourself. D* could offer 1 million HD channels for all I care, but as long as the HD content looks the way it does now, you couldnt pay me to switch to D*..

No actually I do not work for D*. And as far as D* doing HD-Lite, so is E*.

It is obvious anyone who doesn't think like you can't have anything good to say. That is your loss, not mine.

I would like to congratulate PBS 4.1 for finally adding a message on the HD 4.2 channel which tells viewers when PBS is broadcasting in HD. Also I see that when PBS is broadcasting in HD they have a message on their Subchannels 4-3 thru 4-5 staing that those channels will resume broadcasting after 11 PM.

I am so happy to see that PBS finally did this.

Not only does it help to educate new ATSC OTA viewers, but it also helps my ATSC tuner surf over the channel or subchannel that is not presently transmitting a show.

In the past when 4.2 was off air my ATSC SAMSUNG 451 would hang on 4.2 searching for the channel and it was a PITA to get it to surf to 4.3 . I do not have the Samsung anymore but did observe smooth surfing with my Pioneer built in ATSC tuner.

And yes everyone I do realize that putting up a still text image on the channel robs some bandwidth from the other channels but this I can live with.

-DonB2

DirecTv nor TWC has ever had as many HD channels as DISH. If they ever do we can resume this conversation.

DISH DirecTv TWC

ESPN-HD X X X
ESPN2-HD X X
DiscoveryHD X X X
UniversalHD X X X
TNT-HD X X X
HDNet X X X
HDNetMovies X X X
INHD X
INHD2 X
( VOOM )
Rush-HD X
Rave-HD X
HD-News X
Ultra-HD X
Equator-HD X
Gallery-HD X
Monsters-HD X
Animania-HD X
FilmFest-HD X
KungFu-HD X
WldSport-HD X
WldCinma-HD X
Family-HD X
Treasure-HD X
GamePlay-HD X

Of you like the Voom repeat channels, then by all means, watch then 20 times. I want more for my HD than the same stuff over and over and over again and that is about all the Vooom channels have. I also believe that is why no one else beside E* has added them. It is a waste of limited bandwidth.

DirecTv nor TWC has ever had as many HD channels as DISH. If they ever do we can resume this conversation.

DISH DirecTv TWC

ESPN-HD X X X
ESPN2-HD X X
DiscoveryHD X X X
UniversalHD X X X
TNT-HD X X X
HDNet X X X
HDNetMovies X X X
INHD X
INHD2 X
( VOOM )
Rush-HD X
Rave-HD X
HD-News X
Ultra-HD X
Equator-HD X
Gallery-HD X
Monsters-HD X
Animania-HD X
FilmFest-HD X
KungFu-HD X
WldSport-HD X
WldCinma-HD X
Family-HD X
Treasure-HD X
GamePlay-HD X
the only thing your showing is the VOOM crap that repeats every 30 minutes and is in HD-Lite. I dont consider that HD. If you take away the Voom crap and add in all the locals in HD plus PBS HD, TWC has more content and it is all in True HD.

No actually I do not work for D*. And as far as D* doing HD-Lite, so is E*.

It is obvious anyone who doesn't think like you can't have anything good to say. That is your loss, not mine.
i was actually in a bad mood and I apolagize for comming off as a jerk towards you.

Of you like the Voom repeat channels, then by all means, watch then 20 times. I want more for my HD than the same stuff over and over and over again and that is about all the Vooom channels have. I also believe that is why no one else beside E* has added them. It is a waste of limited bandwidth.

What do you mean "repeat channels"?
What HD channels do you have that you consider not to be "repeat channels"?

Is Discovery-HD a "repeat channel" since it shows the same programming over and over? The same question for INHD, INHD2, HDNET?
I'm not much much for the old movies upconverted to HD like HDNET Movies, but if I was I think that VOOM's movie channels would give me alot more choices at any given time.
Don't get me started on the useless channels Universal and TNT HD channels. They are the perfect example of quantity over quality. Are "Night Rider" and "Quantum Leap" on what you consider a "repeat channel"? They are repeating the 80's.

I'm not going to watch all the VOOM channels, but I'm looking forward to some.
One things for sure, while you are watching "Night Rider"; I won't.

As far as HD channels go right now it looks like DirecTv is losing to DISH and TWC.

What do you mean "repeat channels"?
What HD channels do you have that you consider not to be "repeat channels"?

Is Discovery-HD a "repeat channel" since it shows the same programming over and over? The same question for INHD, INHD2, HDNET?
I'm not much much for the old movies upconverted to HD like HDNET Movies, but if I was I think that VOOM's movie channels would give me alot more choices at any given time.
Don't get me started on the useless channels Universal and TNT HD channels. They are the perfect example of quantity over quality. Are "Night Rider" and "Quantum Leap" on what you consider a "repeat channel"? They are repeating the 80's.

I'm not going to watch all the VOOM channels, but I'm looking forward to some.
One things for sure, while you are watching "Night Rider"; I won't.

As far as HD channels go right now it looks like DirecTv is losing to DISH and TWC.


Please re-read my post:

I want more for my HD than the same stuff over and over and over again and that is about all the Vooom channels have.

Limited content that is repeated over and over again. The problem with Voom is they either own or have exclusivity to a lot of that content so it is cheaper for them to just keep playing it over and over and over again for the new subs since there are always new eyes to see that content in HD. Of course Voom is not alone in that either, but at this time, they appear to repeat more than DHDT (which used to be a horrendous offender with 3 hour repeats) or UHD, which do repeat more than I would like to see, but I also realize that more content is coming and the repeats are getting less and less and the content is fresher but IMHO, Voom doesn't seem to be getting better at that. Just the same stuff.

i was actually in a bad mood and I apolagize for comming off as a jerk towards you.

Apology accepted. :)

the only thing your showing is the VOOM crap that repeats every 30 minutes and is in HD-Lite. I dont consider that HD. If you take away the Voom crap and add in all the locals in HD plus PBS HD, TWC has more content and it is all in True HD.

Both DirecTv and DISH will soon have HD locals plus PBS HD (the worst offender of repeats). I still love PBS HD, so no hate mail.

Do you watch any SD tv? or is that too crappy to watch?

I'm with you on the best quality possible but I'm not willing turn down channels that look 9 times better than SD for only channels that look 10 times better.

Re: VOOM

I can acccomplish the same thing VOOM does by storing a couple dozen programs on my DVR. Spreading a couple of channels worth of programming across a dozen is not quantity or quality, it is purely marketing FLUFF!!!!

You'll have to thank JP Morgan Sports for that. They are the worst excuse for a broadcasting company in basically the entire country yet they got the exclusive contract for a number of ACC games, including the tournament. So even though they can't get their head of out of the a** long enough to figure out how to do HD (they're response when asked was basically, "gosh, HD is hard") we can't watch the game in HD because of the agreement the ACC made with JP Sports.

I'd complain to the ACC each and every time an ACC game is not broadcast in HD by JP Sports. Maybe at least when the contract comes up again (which isn't until like 2009 unfortunately) the ACC will understand the issue.


http://theacc.collegesports.com/on-air/rjpclear.html

Re: VOOM

I can acccomplish the same thing VOOM does by storing a couple dozen programs on my DVR. Spreading a couple of channels worth of programming across a dozen is not quantity or quality, it is purely marketing FLUFF!!!!

How many of TWC's HD channels are FLUFF???

There is only so much HD content out there. Discovery-HD and PBS-HD are awsome when they show new content, but they repeat worse than anyone.
All the HD channels including Voom are still creating content and will only get better. A 24/7 HD National News station isn't FLUFF, I'm sure you would love to see CNN-HD on your TV. Their EQUATOR-HD isn't as good as Discovery-HD, but as new content continues to be added it could be a great channel. The World Sports-HD has a lot of Live sporting events, that can't be called FLUFF. The music channel RAVE-HD looks like it has a constant influx of new concerts. So even if the other channel I'm looking forward to RUSH-HD (extreme sports) has it's share of repeats now, there is potential for this genre's content to grow faster than any other channel.

ALL of us TWC subscribers would love to see VOOM and or any other HD channels become available to us.

How many of TWC's HD channels are FLUFF???

There is only so much HD content out there. Discovery-HD and PBS-HD are awsome when they show new content, but they repeat worse than anyone.
All the HD channels including Voom are still creating content and will only get better. A 24/7 HD National News station isn't FLUFF, I'm sure you would love to see CNN-HD on your TV. Their EQUATOR-HD isn't as good as Discovery-HD, but as new content continues to be added it could be a great channel. The World Sports-HD has a lot of Live sporting events, that can't be called FLUFF. The music channel RAVE-HD looks like it has a constant influx of new concerts. So even if the other channel I'm looking forward to RUSH-HD (extreme sports) has it's share of repeats now, there is potential for this genre's content to grow faster than any other channel.

ALL of us TWC subscribers would love to see VOOM and or any other HD channels become available to us.

But what happens if you commit a huge chunk of bandwidth to one provider under a long term contract, then don't have space for the really worthwhile stuff that is sure to come along over time. VOOM is a stop gap programming source to satifsy early adoptors. It is likely to fail. In fact, it already has.

folks:
is there anybody in raleigh who:
(a) has an HDTV with a QAM tuner
(b) has signed up for the "basic" cable package with time warner cable, and
(c) receives the major network HDTV channels, such as WRAL's channel 5.1, as a consequence of subscribing to TW's "basic" package...

also, is there anybody in raleigh who has an HDTV with a QAM tuner, subscribes to TW's "basic" package and definitively DOES NOT get the major network HDTV offerings, such as WRAL on channel 5.1?

Bonus question (speculation is strongly discouraged, answer only if you know):

if one gets TW's "basic" service for 12-odd bucks a month and, as a consequence of getting the "basic" service also receives HDTV channels like WRAL's 5.1, is the HDTV bonus a direct result of TW's cable package or is it the coincidental result of TW's "basic" cable inadvertantly doing double duty and acting as an adequate HDTV antenna for "over-the-air" recption of, say, WRAL's channel 5.1?????

But what happens if you commit a huge chunk of bandwidth to one provider under a long term contract, then don't have space for the really worthwhile stuff that is sure to come along over time. VOOM is a stop gap programming source to satifsy early adoptors. It is likely to fail. In fact, it already has.

That wins the weakest argument award.

What Bandwidth shortage are you talking about? With DirecTv and DISH going MPEG4 and launching SATs and Cable either doing the VOD trick or going MPEG4, there is plenty of bandwidth?

Enjoy your "Night Rider".

Until cable migrates to a switched-video mode, bandwidth management is a critical issue. If you have ever tried to order a VOD movie on cable, and been told "not available at this time" it's because bandwidth capacity has been maxed out.

By the way, cable operators make A LOT OF MONEY off VOD.

Until cable migrates to a switched-video mode, bandwidth management is a critical issue. If you have ever tried to order a VOD movie on cable, and been told "not available at this time" it's because bandwidth capacity has been maxed out.

That is the biggest drawback to VOD. TWC has around 20 channels of VOD fluff that hardly anyone watches, yet often when you try and watch a VOD movie on Saturday night you have to keep waiting and hitting that play button several times in order to get connected.

Even more of a pain when you pause the movie for something and then find you can't get back in.

That is the biggest drawback to VOD. TWC has around 20 channels of VOD fluff that hardly anyone watches, yet often when you try and watch a VOD movie on Saturday night you have to keep waiting and hitting that play button several times in order to get connected.

Even more of a pain when you pause the movie for something and then find you can't get back in.

Those 20 "virtual" channels aren't really there. They're merely organized menus. Those programs only use bandwidth if someone actually selects one.

If TWC needs more bandwidth, I offer a simple solution... nuke channels 100-200. They can only be there
so TWC can crow about quantity of "digital" channels, b/c there certainly is no quality there.

In general I think we can all agree that there is far too little HD content out there. Props to the satellite
companies for being the least sucky in terms of quantity (regardless of what you think of PQ). I think
they are definitely ahead of TWC in this regard. Even if the 15 VOOM ch repeat the same 6 programs
often, its 15 * 6 = 90 HD programs I'm not seeing now on TWC.

Personally I hope someone brings IPTV delivery to this area (any hint of this anywhere in the Triangle?).

Mike

If TWC needs more bandwidth, I offer a simple solution... nuke channels 100-200. They can only be there
so TWC can crow about quantity of "digital" channels, b/c there certainly is no quality there.

In general I think we can all agree that there is far too little HD content out there. Props to the satellite
companies for being the least sucky in terms of quantity (regardless of what you think of PQ). I think
they are definitely ahead of TWC in this regard. Even if the 15 VOOM ch repeat the same 6 programs
often, its 15 * 6 = 90 HD programs I'm not seeing now on TWC.

Personally I hope someone brings IPTV delivery to this area (any hint of this anywhere in the Triangle?).

Mike

It's not the digital tier (channels 100-200) that takes up all the space, it's the 75 or so analogue channels that consumes two thirds of the available bandwidth. An all-digital conversion will free up that space, but it will take time and money.

VOOM is pretty much an "in house" proprietary service that Dish Network basically picked up at a liquidation sale. Unless Dish Network vertical integrates with a program studio (doubtful), VOOM will always be devoid of any real content.

And I've said this before and I'll say it again. Satellite as basically a "one-way" service is rapidly becoming technologically obsolete. (Spoiler from an inside source: They know it, too)

Many of you are too young to remember that CBS was still an all black & white network as late as 1964. NBC had been doing limited color for 10 years by that time. HDTV is just starting to reach a critical mass. At the end of the day, business logic and bottom line considerations still rule the day.

Patience.....

...VOOM is pretty much an "in house" proprietary service that Dish Network basically picked up at a liquidation sale. Unless Dish Network vertical integrates with a program studio (doubtful), VOOM will always be devoid of any real content...

OK, We get it "You don't like VOOM".
We can all agree too, that HDNET-Movies, UHD and TNT-HD is devoid of any real content. And we can watch 3-hours of PBS-HD and see everything they have for a 24-hour period.
Oh, Great HD Channel Critic; what HD channels are worth having in your royal opinion.

If all of us want as much HD content as possible and we all know that everything we watch won't win an Emmy or Peabody, what is your problem? DISH is obviously leading the charge, which will also force DirecTv and Cable to step it up as well.

Did Charlie Ergen kick your puppy?

We can all agree too, that HDNET-Movies, UHD and TNT-HD is devoid of any real content.
No I cant agree. I watched about 4-5 movies the last 2 weekends on those channels. I can agree that TNT and its Stretch-O-Vision pisses me off and UHD does have a pretty weak schedual but bothe channels do offer some good movies each week. HDNET-Movies is one of my favorite channels. Most movies are OAR, very good channel.

I can agree that TNT and its Stretch-O-Vision pisses me off and UHD does have a pretty weak schedual but bothe channels do offer some good movies each week.

Yes, death to TNT's Stretch-O-Vision! They also have some good stuff besides movies. I love that they have Alias reruns in real HD (not Stretch-O-Vision). Not to mention NBA basketball.

Drew

OK, We get it "You don't like VOOM".
We can all agree too, that HDNET-Movies, UHD and TNT-HD is devoid of any real content. And we can watch 3-hours of PBS-HD and see everything they have for a 24-hour period.
Oh, Great HD Channel Critic; what HD channels are worth having in your royal opinion.

If all of us want as much HD content as possible and we all know that everything we watch won't win an Emmy or Peabody, what is your problem? DISH is obviously leading the charge, which will also force DirecTv and Cable to step it up as well.

Did Charlie Ergen kick your puppy?

Dish Network is the low price leader. They've always sold bulk. They've always compromised quality for quantity. They cobble together a patchwork quilt of technology in order acheive that position. They use their customers as pawns when negociating with programmers. They are always late to the table with things like Local into Local, Local HD, etc. Dish Network is definitely the Kmart of video providers.

Just my opinion.

Yes, death to TNT's Stretch-O-Vision! They also have some good stuff besides movies. I love that they have Alias reruns in real HD (not Stretch-O-Vision). Not to mention NBA basketball.

Drew
ya, the basketball PQ is usually flawless.

folks:
is there anybody in raleigh who:
(a) has an HDTV with a QAM tuner
(b) has signed up for the "basic" cable package with time warner cable, and
(c) receives the major network HDTV channels, such as WRAL's channel 5.1, as a consequence of subscribing to TW's "basic" package...

also, is there anybody in raleigh who has an HDTV with a QAM tuner, subscribes to TW's "basic" package and definitively DOES NOT get the major network HDTV offerings, such as WRAL on channel 5.1?

Bonus question (speculation is strongly discouraged, answer only if you know):

if one gets TW's "basic" service for 12-odd bucks a month and, as a consequence of getting the "basic" service also receives HDTV channels like WRAL's 5.1, is the HDTV bonus a direct result of TW's cable package or is it the coincidental result of TW's "basic" cable inadvertantly doing double duty and acting as an adequate HDTV antenna for "over-the-air" recption of, say, WRAL's channel 5.1?????

(a) yes
(b) yes
(c) yes
TWC in raleigh broadcasts the locals in HD "in the clear". so as long as you have a cable connected, the QAM tuner can tune them. the cable is NOT acting as an antenna for picking up "over-the-air". this has been answered several times already in this thread (along with a list of the specific channels that are broadcast in the clear).

No I cant agree. I watched about 4-5 movies the last 2 weekends on those channels. I can agree that TNT and its Stretch-O-Vision pisses me off and UHD does have a pretty weak schedual but bothe channels do offer some good movies each week. HDNET-Movies is one of my favorite channels. Most movies are OAR, very good channel.

Sorry, for wording it the way I did.
I don't watch 10 year old movies as much as some of you guys if at all. But I meant that HDNET-Movies is devoid of any Real Original content. The statement was made in the context that if all of VOOM's movie channels suck that HDNET-Movies must too.
I did watch "Bubble" on the simutaneous release premiere night, which was kind of neat.

And I'm glad for you NBA fans that you have TNT-HD for your games, and they do look good. But NBA plays too many games for me to pour my heart into each game. Not to mention no defense. College basketball is where it's at. And NFL is americas past time. I like for each game to mean something. Just my 2 cents on that.

Dish Network is the low price leader. They've always sold bulk. They've always compromised quality for quantity. They cobble together a patchwork quilt of technology in order acheive that position. They use their customers as pawns when negociating with programmers. They are always late to the table with things like Local into Local, Local HD, etc. Dish Network is definitely the Kmart of video providers.

Just my opinion.

Ok you don't like VOOM and you don't like DISH. And if TWC tried to give you VOOM, you'd say no.

Are you going to answer the question?

What HD channels are worth having in your opinion?

My Speech again:
If all of us want as much HD content as possible and we all know that everything we watch won't win an Emmy or Peabody, what is your problem? DISH is obviously leading the charge, which will also force DirecTv and Cable to step it up as well.

Ok you don't like VOOM and you don't like DISH. And if TWC tried to give you VOOM, you'd say no.

Are you going to answer the question?

What HD channels are worth having in your opinion?

My Speech again:
If all of us want as much HD content as possible and we all know that everything we watch won't win an Emmy or Peabody, what is your problem? DISH is obviously leading the charge, which will also force DirecTv and Cable to step it up as well.

I would not pay extra for VOOM. I watch TNT, HDNet Movies, HBO, the major networks, etc., in that they have access to A-list movies and high production value series. I also watch HDNet, Discovery, and would like to get National Geographic. I'm not a sports guy, but I understand those who lust after more live sports.

Again, with a DVR, I have access to more programming than I can watch, and quite frankly, I watch too much TV already. More is not necessarily better, sometimes it's just more.

There are probably fewer than 20 channels altogether, both SD and HD that I ever use. More than anything, I wish a CNN or MSNBC would go HD, because I spend a fair amount of time with those.

But some of the stuff Dish carries in extremely highly compressed (unwatchable) quality is silly. But Ergen won't be happy until he claims 1000 channels.

Am I the only person left on this forum that watches OTA HD?

-DonB2

Am I the only person left on this forum that watches OTA HD?

-DonB2
well i could if i wanted to as my tv has a HD tuner and i can pickup all the channels as I am close to the towers. but i also get the same quility HD locals with Time Warner, so there is really no point for me.

Sorry, for wording it the way I did.
I don't watch 10 year old movies as much as some of you guys if at all. But I meant that HDNET-Movies is devoid of any Real Original content. The statement was made in the context that if all of VOOM's movie channels suck that HDNET-Movies must too.
I did watch "Bubble" on the simutaneous release premiere night, which was kind of neat.

And I'm glad for you NBA fans that you have TNT-HD for your games, and they do look good. But NBA plays too many games for me to pour my heart into each game. Not to mention no defense. College basketball is where it's at. And NFL is americas past time. I like for each game to mean something. Just my 2 cents on that. i can agree with that. i am an NFL nut. it was the reason i got into HD to begin with.

Am I the only person left on this forum that watches OTA HD?

Nope. That's how I do it. I have DirecTV and an HDTiVo and get all the HD I watch OTA. And when I switch to TWC (just waiting for the cablecard Series 3 TiVo) I will still get it OTA. No worry of compression by an intermediary. Besides, there's something very retro about getting OTA TV. ;)

Pkscout,

Thanks ! I was beginning to think I was the only HD OTA out there.

Hah , I like the "retro"! How true ! I feel like I have stepped back 20 years.

-Don B2

Nope. That's how I do it. I have DirecTV and an HDTiVo and get all the HD I watch OTA. And when I switch to TWC (just waiting for the cablecard Series 3 TiVo) I will still get it OTA. No worry of compression by an intermediary. Besides, there's something very retro about getting OTA TV. ;)

Why would you not just get the HD DVR from Time Warner?????

Anyone know why FOX50 has been screwing up the 5.1 feed for the last 3 weeks with Idol? All I get is the 2 fronts. No center and no rears.

It's not FOX50...it's FOX. See this post.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7288917&highlight=intentions#post7288917

Steve

Dish Network is the low price leader. They've always sold bulk. They've always compromised quality for quantity. They cobble together a patchwork quilt of technology in order acheive that position. They use their customers as pawns when negociating with programmers. They are always late to the table with things like Local into Local, Local HD, etc. Dish Network is definitely the Kmart of video providers.

Just my opinion.

DISH had the first dishes that could see more than one SAT at a time.
They had the mass Local to Local rollout before DirecTv. Now both SATs are steadily rolling out HD Locals with no winner yet.
They also were the first SAT company to have Software upgradable receivers.
Your right, when negotiating contracts DISH always want to keep there customers prices low and if that means Lifetime isn't on my TV for a couple of weeks (or ever), I'm cool with that.

I didn't know Kmart was so cutting edge.

I would not pay extra for VOOM. I watch TNT, HDNet Movies, HBO, the major networks, etc., in that they have access to A-list movies and high production value series. I also watch HDNet, Discovery, and would like to get National Geographic. I'm not a sports guy, but I understand those who lust after more live sports.

Again, with a DVR, I have access to more programming than I can watch, and quite frankly, I watch too much TV already. More is not necessarily better, sometimes it's just more.

There are probably fewer than 20 channels altogether, both SD and HD that I ever use. More than anything, I wish a CNN or MSNBC would go HD, because I spend a fair amount of time with those.

But some of the stuff Dish carries in extremely highly compressed (unwatchable) quality is silly. But Ergen won't be happy until he claims 1000 channels.


So you watch old movies on HDNET-Movies but all of VOOM's movie channels aren't good enough for you. I am not seeing any consistency there.
I don't understand how any of you guys would rather watch "Charmed", "Alias", "Night Rider" or what ever even in HD when you could go rent the DVD with no commercials, but maybe I'm out numbered there.
VOOM doesn't have a 5 year old TV Series channel but all 15 channels are commercial free. :)

I too would like a 24/7 HD National News channel, well VOOM has one. It may not be CNN (thank God) but it is available now.

I too would like National Geographic-HD but TWC nor SAT are offering it. VOOM's EQUATOR-HD is the closest thing available now.

I think the fact that you say you watch SD on TWC, but HD-Lite is unwatchable on DISH really shows your lack of willingness to have an honest debate.

One thing I miss about DISH is there Charlie Chat & Technical Forum. They would answer questions on picture quality, compression or whatever the topic of the forums happens to be; no hiding behind unknowledgable SR's. Anyone heard anything from TWC on HDNET freezes?

i can agree with that. i am an NFL nut. it was the reason i got into HD to begin with.

Same here, my Redskins don't always come out on top but they always look good doing it in HD.

Do you know anything about the NFL Netork? I think I read somewhere they were doing a few HD games this coming season.

DISH had the first dishes that could see more than one SAT at a time.
They had the mass Local to Local rollout before DirecTv. Now both SATs are steadily rolling out HD Locals with no winner yet.
They also were the first SAT company to have Software upgradable receivers.
Your right, when negotiating contracts DISH always want to keep there customers prices low and if that means Lifetime isn't on my TV for a couple of weeks (or ever), I'm cool with that.

I didn't know Kmart was so cutting edge.

Let me just admit that I don't really care much for Dish and leave it at that.

Am I the only person left on this forum that watches OTA HD?

-DonB2

I do. But i have Time Warner also.

posg,

Awhile back HERE (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7162047&&#post7162047) I posted the below quote and you and I shared a couple posts on the matter.

Bit off Topic:

Has anybody noticed a slight/very subtle cloudy look to TWC cable channels ch.16 (WGN Superstation), ch.41 (AMC) and ch.73 (Sci-Fi)? I only see it on those three channels (both digital and analog versions). It's pretty subtle but rather anoying to me. I've noticed it for around 5/6 months now. Sci-Fi use to look crisp but not anymore. I don't watch ch.16 or ch.41 because of it but I watch ch.73 alot because I'm a sci-fi nut and it makes it hard to forget the picture and just enjoy the shows. :(

This past friday night during Stargate's season finale on the Sci-fi channel it was still the same. I'm noticing today on both the Sci-fi channel (ch.73) and WGN channel (ch.16) that the cloudy look is gone, unless my eye's are fooling me. Blacks now look black. I don't know if it was TWC's doing or the networks (my guess is it was TWC since both networks cleared up about the same time) but I'm glad the problem has been corrected. It looks good. I just wish it had been before Stargate ended but atleast it's fixed. :)

Why would you not just get the HD DVR from Time Warner?????

I'm an interface snob (I use a Mac as well). Oh, and I like a DVR that has some actual storage and records shows reliably.

One of my staff has the HD DVR from TWC. The interface is atrocious, he is constantly telling me about shows the thing didn't record, and it only has like 9 hours of HD storage (my current unit has 30 hours and that's even a little tight for our viewing habits).

Am I the only person left on this forum that watches OTA HD?

-DonB2
I still do occasionally. ;)

Do you know anything about the NFL Netork? I think I read somewhere they were doing a few HD games this coming season.
ya, they are doing 8 games this year. TWC better get NFL network soon.

I'm an interface snob (I use a Mac as well). Oh, and I like a DVR that has some actual storage and records shows reliably.

One of my staff has the HD DVR from TWC. The interface is atrocious, he is constantly telling me about shows the thing didn't record, and it only has like 9 hours of HD storage (my current unit has 30 hours and that's even a little tight for our viewing habits).
I've used TWC's HD DVR since they first got them and I record atleast two to three shows every single night (HD and SD) while watching ota HD/SD and it's never missed a recording unless our power was out (I'm paralized neck down and sit home all day watcing tv shows I record each night). :D

I wouldn't mind having a HDtivo for ota recording though. :)

I noticed this morning that the TWC guide had WRAL listed as FOX???? Anyone else notice this? They had fox50 news on one channel listed as WRAL and the CBS morning show on the other WRAL channel. What gives?

I'm an interface snob (I use a Mac as well). Oh, and I like a DVR that has some actual storage and records shows reliably.

One of my staff has the HD DVR from TWC. The interface is atrocious, he is constantly telling me about shows the thing didn't record, and it only has like 9 hours of HD storage (my current unit has 30 hours and that's even a little tight for our viewing habits).

The SA8300HD is supposed to record at least 20 hours of HD, but I've never tested it. I know some of the earlier SA DVRs had a lot of problems, but the 8300 has been flawless for me. I considered the Cablecard route when I bought my LCD, but with cable being just on the cusp of being truely interactive, I went with the 8300 and have no regrets.

I'm an interface snob (I use a Mac as well). Oh, and I like a DVR that has some actual storage and records shows reliably.

One of my staff has the HD DVR from TWC. The interface is atrocious, he is constantly telling me about shows the thing didn't record, and it only has like 9 hours of HD storage (my current unit has 30 hours and that's even a little tight for our viewing habits).

I'm a GUI snob as well and have used a Mac since it was System 6. Echo is far better than the vast majority of interface designs used by other cable and sat providers.

Tivo on the other hand I think is extremely childish, overly wordy, and takes up far to much screen real estate. Does the latest version actually support PIP in guide yet? I find it to be totally ridiculous that any onscreen grid listing does not have in-gude real time PIP. I have zero need for all the "Tivo enhancements" that function as a media server or find programming I might like. I have enough TV shows to watch as it is.

The Echo interface is visually fine. It doesn't overlay the screen and block the channel, the grid is competently and clearly arranged, doesn't stick overly helpful text explanations of every button press on every page and doesn't go crazy with transparency effects which seem to be de rigueur now.

Could it be better? Yes, disk usage display and a full synopsis of prerecorded shows are just two of the things that I can think of instantly. But given that it costs nothing to buy those are minor issues.

posq,

Awhile back HERE (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7162047&&#post7162047) I posted the below quote and you and I shared a couple posts on the matter.



This past friday night during Stargate's season finale on the Sci-fi channel it was still the same. I'm noticing today on both the Sci-fi channel (ch.73) and WGN channel (ch.16) that the cloudy look is gone, unless my eye's are fooling me. Blacks now look black. I don't know if it was TWC's doing or the networks (my guess is it was TWC since both networks cleared up about the same time) but I'm glad the problem has been corrected. It looks good. I just wish it had been before Stargate ended but atleast it's fixed. :)

I'll check it out. You're on the Fayetteville headend, and I'm on Raleigh, so they may have made changes at one location and not the other. But I'll let you know what I see.

I noticed this morning that the TWC guide had WRAL listed as FOX???? Anyone else notice this? They had fox50 news on one channel listed as WRAL and the CBS morning show on the other WRAL channel. What gives?

WRAL of course owns FOX50. They brand their newscasts on FOX50 as "WRAL News on FOX50" WRAL 5.2 (256) often simulcasts the FOX50 newscast. There is nothing ascue here.

WRAL of course owns FOX50. They brand their newscasts on FOX50 as "WRAL News on FOX50" WRAL 5.2 (256) often simulcasts the FOX50 newscast. There is nothing ascue here.
Learn something new everyday. thanks

Anyone ever been to Audio Advice on Glenwood? http://www.audioadvice.com/

Anyway, Im going today to have a look around. I want to take a look at the sony 1080P projector aswell as a few Fujitsu and Runco Plasma's.

If anyone has something they want me to check out now, let me know. Im going in a few hours.

Am I the only person left on this forum that watches OTA HD?

-DonB2

I watch OTA all the time. There's no cable available where I live. We have DirecTV and HD OTA.

Steve

Anyone ever been to Audio Advice on Glenwood? http://www.audioadvice.com/

Anyway, Im going today to have a look around. I want to take a look at the sony 1080P projector aswell as a few Fujitsu and Runco Plasma's.

If anyone has something they want me to check out now, let me know. Im going in a few hours.

Better stop by the bank and get that home equity loan on your way ;)

ya, they are doing 8 games this year. TWC better get NFL network soon.

I was on there website and I had to look hard to find any mention of High Def coverage. It seems they would be flaunting it. Which makes me wonder how they handle SD and HD. Are there 2 different channels? I often wonder if a channel like CNN could go HD on the same channel as the SD feed, kind of like different languages can be encoded in the same stream. For instance if your box can decode the HD it does, if it can't you see SD.

OK, not to open up empty speculation, but any inside information that anyone has gathered on the addition of NFL Network, HGTV-HD or National Geographic-HD.

Better stop by the bank and get that home equity loan on your way ;)
why? the 50 inch runco plasma they have is only 10 grand. :D im just having a look around anyway, im not buying until Fujitsu or runco come out with the 1080P plasma.

OK, not to open up empty speculation, but any inside information that anyone has gathered on the addition of NFL Network, HGTV-HD or National Geographic-HD.
I believe NGCHD is in talks with time warner. ESPN2HD should be added to the TWC lineup soon. I dont think NFL network or HGTVHD are in any talks with TWC at the moment.

PS. TMCHD deal is done. should be comming to TWC soon.

this was the latest channel info posted last week or so.

Hello fellow TWC customers, the following is info gathered from emails to TWC Executive Fred Dressler. These are his quotes.

Future HD channel update

ESPN2-HD - hopeful to have espn2hd in time for baseball.
STARZ-HD - End of the year at the earliest
CINEMAX-HD – is almost done
TMC-HD - is done
Wealth TV-HD - are not in the works
Outdoor Channel 2-HD – are not in the works
MHD (MTV) - will take many months to conclude.
National Geographic-HD - No Word
Food Network-HD - Scripps has not yet made us a proposal.
HGTV-HD - Scripps has not yet made us a proposal.

Tivo on the other hand I think is extremely childish, overly wordy, and takes up far to much screen real estate. Does the latest version actually support PIP in guide yet? I find it to be totally ridiculous that any onscreen grid listing does not have in-gude real time PIP. I have zero need for all the "Tivo enhancements" that function as a media server or find programming I might like. I have enough TV shows to watch as it is.


Hmmm, when I'm watching TV the TiVo interface is not at all visible, so I don't understand how using 0% of the screen real estate is too much. As for PIP, no, it doesn't. And I don't care. I watch about 4 hours a month of live TV and never use the guide. I set the TiVo to record and forget about it. So PIP is as high on my list as the TiVo enhancements are on yours.

One of my staff has the HD DVR from TWC. The interface is atrocious, he is constantly telling me about shows the thing didn't record, and it only has like 9 hours of HD storage (my current unit has 30 hours and that's even a little tight for our viewing habits).


Hmm...sure the TWC HD-DVR isn't as feature rich as a Tivo or ReplayTV (hey I still have a replayTV and love it!), but It's the only DVR I've ever used (and I've used all 3) that consistantly records reliably.. I record a ton of stuff and haven't had any issues with space, but then again I generally watch my recorded stuff the next day or two later.

Hmmm, when I'm watching TV the TiVo interface is not at all visible, so I don't understand how using 0% of the screen real estate is too much. As for PIP, no, it doesn't. And I don't care. I watch about 4 hours a month of live TV and never use the guide. I set the TiVo to record and forget about it. So PIP is as high on my list as the TiVo enhancements are on yours.

So you're telling me that you never look at the guide? Never been in the mood for watching something different or checking that a new movie is on that week as a first run? How do you find entirely new shows you might be interested in recording? Do you rely solely on Tivo to isolate specific shows for you?

How can you comment on a major interface element and compare it to something else if you never use it? Echo is an IPG interface, that's all it is. I set the 8300 to record and forget about it as well, so on that basis they are the same.

That's like comparing the Finder in Mac OS 10 and Windows Explorer when you don't use either function.

So you're telling me that you never look at the guide? Never been in the mood for watching something different or checking that a new movie is on that week as a first run? How do you find entirely new shows you might be interested in recording? Do you rely solely on Tivo to isolate specific shows for you?

How can you comment on a major interface element and compare it to something else if you never use it? Echo is an IPG interface, that's all it is. I set the 8300 to record and forget about it as well, so on that basis they are the same.

That's like comparing the Finder in Mac OS 10 and Windows Explorer when you don't use either function.

I don't think it's worth any more space to argue about it. You've got you're opinion and I've got mine. Neither of us is likely to be convinced by anything the other says. I'm waiting for the cablecard TiVo because I *want* to. Let's leave it at that.

The PIP guide thing is a matter of taste; the TiVo live guide overlays the picture, so you can use that if you're incredibly obsessed with watching TV while you're in the guide.

Then again, if you don't want to miss something while you're in the guide (either the live one or "pick programs to record") there's always the Pause button...

The PIP guide thing is a matter of taste; the TiVo live guide overlays the picture, so you can use that if you're incredibly obsessed with watching TV while you're in the guide.

Then again, if you don't want to miss something while you're in the guide (either the live one or "pick programs to record") there's always the Pause button...

The transparent IPG overlay is not just a Tivo thing I've seen it used in other places as well. It creates two problems with clarity. It reduces the legibility of a guide (which should be extremely clear with good differentiation between elements) and interrupts the image you might be trying to focus on in the background. So while you get more guide visible you lose clarity in two aspects at the same time.

While it may not bother you personally it's not a great design choice now for anything that is supposed to be easy to read and understand.

The Echo IPG (while it still has some stupid design elements) in comparison avoids this by having a solid background, bright guide and an image which you can see clearly or ignore without it affecting the legibility of the guide. Imagine a newspaper printed on transparent film and you'll see why it's not a great idea.

Over the past few years I've seen more satellite and cable providers adopt the PIP based guide, but Tivo still hasn't yet. So while Tivo may have more functionality it's interface needs to catch up. Ideally having the option of full solid guide or a PIP guide in one machine would be the way to go.

So I went to Audio Advice today on Glenwood.

Checked out the following:

Sony SXRD 1080P projector
A few Fujitsu Plasma's
and a few Runco Plasma's

The PQ was fine on all of the above but I was expecting more for the price of these things. The Projector was 10k, the 40 some inch Fujitsu was like 9k and the Runco was 14k.

None of these top of the line sets looked calibrated to me. The Sony Projector was crushing black levels big time. The Fujitsu and Runco PQ were about the same. Both very nice but I wasnt really able to get a good picture on them as they were connected to D* hd-lite and there was pixelation and artifacts all over the picture.

All in all its a nice place with some nice gear but I wasnt impressed by the PQ on anything there. Maybe I am spoiled by my Samsung DLP 1080P because nothing there gave the same PQ as my calibrated Sammy. Im sure if the Fujitsu was calibrated and had a better HD source it would have been much better.

Also looked at some 30k Martin Logans. Very nice!

Also looked at some 30k Martin Logans. Very nice!
Martin Logan Electrostatics SOUND even better than they look.....

Martin Logan Electrostatics SOUND even better than they look.....
oh I listened also. very very clear, crisp, sound is how I would word it i guess. very nice.

posg,

Awhile back HERE (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=7162047&&#post7162047) I posted the below quote and you and I shared a couple posts on the matter.



This past friday night during Stargate's season finale on the Sci-fi channel it was still the same. I'm noticing today on both the Sci-fi channel (ch.73) and WGN channel (ch.16) that the cloudy look is gone, unless my eye's are fooling me. Blacks now look black. I don't know if it was TWC's doing or the networks (my guess is it was TWC since both networks cleared up about the same time) but I'm glad the problem has been corrected. It looks good. I just wish it had been before Stargate ended but atleast it's fixed. :)

I checked out WGN and SciFi on the Triangle system, and by jillies, they look a whole lot better here as well. Golf still looks a little ragged.

ya, they are doing 8 games this year. TWC better get NFL network soon.

I e-mailed Dressler specifically about the NFL Network 2 days ago. He hasn't responded- which is unusual for him. Makes me think that there is nothing to report.

TWC has a very frosty relationship (hence it being the only one of the top 5 cable providers to NOT carry the NFL Network) with the NFL. I would bet that in addition to insisting on being on the basic digital tier, the NFL is now asking more per subscriber (since it will be in more demand with the Thurs/Sat regular season package). The tightwads at TWC thought what they were (BEFORE getting the new regular season package) asking was too expensive. So, I would be shocked if they actually get a carriage agreement. Dressler has said in the past that he believes the NFL Network is a "niche" channel and not worthy of being on basic digital. Curious, though, that channels that I would certainly consider less widely appealing (Golf Network, OLN, etc, etc) are now part of digital basic. Of course, the real reason is MONEY. TWC squeezes every dime out of content networks so that they can divert their huge profits to their many other monolithic entities (Warner Bros movies, music, AOL, etc.).

As for ESPN2HD ... I think we've been given a line about it being added in time for baseball. I also asked him in the e-mail about ESPN2HD (since baseball is only 2+ weeks away). Again, no response. Given their MO, I would be absolutely stunned if this is added any time soon.

Who knows ... maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised this time.

I checked out WGN and SciFi on the Triangle system, and by jillies, they look a whole lot better here as well. Golf still looks a little ragged.
Thanks for the confirmation. After further Sci-fi channel viewing yesterday afternoon (Night Stalker marathon) :D it's still not quite as clear/crisp as the other digital channels but it's still much better than it was before this week. :)

Something you raleigh/durham guys may find interesting.

When I was at audio advice last night, one of the guys was telling me that Marc Jacobson, (the guy with his dog on all the toyota commercials) bought all his gear there.

this is a pic of his setup. its not really a dedicated theater but he has some pretty expensive gear..

his 2 tower speakers are Martin Logan E2 speakers. price range of about $105,000. His 4 surround speakers are Martin Logan Vantage for a total of $60,000 for the 4 of them. His center channel is the Martin Logan Theater i. Not sure of the price on that but im sure its hefty. Im sure with all the other gear that he has there, the total was somewhere around $300,000-$400,000..

http://www.audioadvice.com/pub_images/Jacobson.jpg

Something you raleigh/durham guys may find interesting.

When I was at audio advice last night, one of the guys was telling me that Marc Jacobson, (the guy with his dog on all the toyota commercials) bought all his gear there.

this is a pic of his setup. its not really a dedicated theater but he has some pretty expensive gear..

his 2 tower speakers are Martin Logan E2 speakers. price range of about $105,000. His 4 surround speakers are Martin Logan Vantage for a total of $60,000 for the 4 of them. His center channel is the Martin Logan Theater i. Not sure of the price on that but im sure its hefty. Im sure with all the other gear that he has there, the total was somewhere around $300,000-$400,000..

http://www.audioadvice.com/pub_images/Jacobson.jpg

I bet that room is good and warm with all those Audio Research Tubes.....

Does anyone know the QAM channel carrying the secondary TWC HD feed for the NCAA tournament?

Something you raleigh/durham guys may find interesting.

When I was at audio advice last night, one of the guys was telling me that Marc Jacobson, (the guy with his dog on all the toyota commercials) bought all his gear there.

this is a pic of his setup. its not really a dedicated theater but he has some pretty expensive gear..

his 2 tower speakers are Martin Logan E2 speakers. price range of about $105,000. His 4 surround speakers are Martin Logan Vantage for a total of $60,000 for the 4 of them. His center channel is the Martin Logan Theater i. Not sure of the price on that but im sure its hefty. Im sure with all the other gear that he has there, the total was somewhere around $300,000-$400,000..

http://www.audioadvice.com/pub_images/Jacobson.jpg
DAAAAAAAAAAANG! SWEEEEEEEEEET! And that lovely Lexicon Processer sitting front and center. :D

Is Marc Jacobson also the bobbing headed doll guy?

All I can say is his neighbors must love him when he cranks that home theatre up!

-DonB2

Does anyone know the QAM channel carrying the secondary TWC HD feed for the NCAA tournament?

Don't know the QAM channel but this list the games available:

http://www.wral.com/marchmania/7969632/detail.html

Is Marc Jacobson also the bobbing headed doll guy?

yep

also, he has 4 Martin Logan Subs sitting in each corner of the room.

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that during last night's basketball tournament, WRAL had TWO HD channels and 4 SD channels running on TWC, and only had the 4 SD channels OTA.

I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that during last night's basketball tournament, WRAL had TWO HD channels and 4 SD channels running on TWC, and only had the 4 SD channels OTA.

The WRAL press release stated this would be the case. Anyone know the QAM of WRAL-HD2?

Has anyone noticed how slow the TWC emails are in comming out with time sensitive news? I just got the notice of CBS carrying all the games this morning and I remember the Olympics had already started when they let us know about UHD and all the other Olympic coverage. Luckily I am a channel flipper and notice things before their news letter.

Anyone notice WRAL's OTA is not in HD for the NCAA?
Anyone know if DirecTv or DISH are getting all the games like TWC is?

Anyone notice WRAL's OTA is not in HD for the NCAA?
They are multicasting 4 SD games at the same time on OTA during the first round. They will probably broadcast in HD during later rounds.

By the way, here is a link to a schedule on TWC's web site.
http://www.timewarnercable.com/nc/programming/wral_ncaa.html

Anyone know the QAM of WRAL-HD2?
If you have a digital box from TWC, you can find out, by doing this...

Tune to channel 254 first, then tune to channel 999 to see the Diagnostic screen (which works only if you already disabled Parental control, I think). Then scroll down to "Tuning info" (or something like that), and it will show the frequency (in MHz) and the subchannel number.

To convert the frequency to a channel number, use either of these equations:
Channel = (Frequency - 81MHz) / 6MHz, if the frequency is between 219MHz and 645MHz.
Channel = (Frequency - 51MHz) / 6MHz, if the frequency is 651MHz or higher.

For example, TWC channel 255 has a frequency of 591 MHz, and the subchannel is 2, so the QAM channel is 85.2, since (591 - 81) / 6 = 85.

Is anyone getting DD 5.1 on either of the WRAL HD channels on TWC? Both are coming up as 2.0 on my receiver. I had this issue last week during The Unit (Saturday rebroadcast)...it started in 5.1 but randomly dropped to 2.0 about 5-10 minutes in. Im pretty sure CBS does all of their live HD broadcasts in DD 5.1 so I dont think this is a matter of 5.1 not being available.

If you have a digital box from TWC, you can find out, by doing this...

Tune to channel 254 first, then tune to channel 999 to see the Diagnostic screen (which works only if you already disabled Parental control, I think). Then scroll down to "Tuning info" (or something like that), and it will show the frequency (in MHz) and the subchannel number.

To convert the frequency to a channel number, use either of these equations:
Channel = (Frequency - 81MHz) / 6MHz, if the frequency is between 219MHz and 645MHz.
Channel = (Frequency - 51MHz) / 6MHz, if the frequency is 651MHz or higher.

For example, TWC channel 255 has a frequency of 591 MHz, and the subchannel is 2, so the QAM channel is 85.2, since (591 - 81) / 6 = 85.


So, for those that don't have a digital box, can someone do the math for us?

The WRAL press release stated this would be the case. Anyone know the QAM of WRAL-HD2?

I did a rescan and found it on 107-1

Drew

I did a rescan and found it on 107-1

Drew

Thanks...it takes my set over an hour to rescan. Many thanks.

TWC 254 = 693.000Mhz (Program # 001*) - 51Mhz = 642Mhz / 6Mhz = 107 QAM

*note: Program # 001 = .1?

I swear though, On my Sharp LCD w/QAM-in-the-Clear tuner I tried directly tuning to each channel # 107.1 thru 107.8 and found nothing. Yet I get 5.1 thru 5.5 and a rescan doesn't pick it up either. And 254 is labeled Clear to Air.

TWC 254 = 693.000 Mhz (Program # 001*) - 51 Mhz = 642 Mhz / 6 Mhz = 107 QAM

*note: Program # 001 = .1?

I swear though, On my Sharp LCD w/QAM-in-the-Clear tuner I tried directly tuning to each channel # 107.1 thru 107.8 and found nothing. Yet I get 5.1 thru 5.5 and a rescan doesn't pick it up either. And 254 is labeled Clear to Air.

My 5.1 still has the HD station coming through. Obviously it's remapped.

TWC 254 = 693.000Mhz (Program # 001*) - 51Mhz = 642Mhz / 6Mhz = 107 QAM

*note: Program # 001 = .1?

I swear though, On my Sharp LCD w/QAM-in-the-Clear tuner I tried directly tuning to each channel # 107.1 thru 107.8 and found nothing. Yet I get 5.1 thru 5.5 and a rescan doesn't pick it up either. And 254 is labeled Clear to Air.


I've got it on 107.2

My 5.1 still has the HD station coming through. Obviously it's remapped.
Yep, I've always gotten ch.5.1 (remapped from 85.1) which is TWC ch.255. I'm just not getting TWC ch.254 on my QAM tuner anywhere.

On my integrated QAM tuner I get:
5.1 HD ch.255
5.2 SD ch.256
5.3 SD ch.257
5.4 SD ch.258
5.5 SD ch.259

Always have gotten those, except 5.4 & 5.5 were just blank before the games. And actually when I puch in 107.2 it jumps to 107.1. Odd and I'm gessing thats 254 on my system (Fayetteville) even though drewwho gets it on 107.1. No big deal though since I have a cable box, just curiosity. :)

Yep, I've always gotten ch.5.1 (remapped from 85.1) which is TWC ch.255. I'm just not getting TWC ch.254 on my QAM tuner anywhere.

On my integrated QAM tuner I get:
5.1 HD ch.255
5.2 SD ch.256
5.3 SD ch.257
5.4 SD ch.258
5.5 SD ch.259

Always have gotten those, except 5.4 & 5.5 were just blank before the games. And actually when I puch in 107.2 it jumps to 107.1. Odd and I'm gessing thats 254 on my system (Fayetteville) even though drewwho gets it on 107.1. No big deal though since I have a cable box, just curiosity. :)

Are you sure 254 isn't on 107.1?

Are you sure 254 isn't on 107.1?
HeHe, nope I'm not sure. :) I'm only sure my TV won't detect it on any 107.x subchannel. And that I can tune directly to 107.1, 107.3, 107.4, 107.5, 107.6, 107.7 and 107.8 and get nothing and if I tune to 107.2 it goes to a blank 107.1.

LOL, I just found it. :) It's on ch.0 on my tv. On my tv all of WRAL'S digital channels remap to the 5.x channels. I guess my tv is using the PSIP data. All the other "Clear to Air" digital channels listed below all map to ch.0 in this exact order. I guess since 254 isn't available OTA there's no PSIP to map it to a 5.x channel.

0 WRAL HD (TWC ch.254)
0 ABC11 SD WTVD-DT
0 TVGUIDE CHANNEL
0 WB22 SD WLFL
0 CBS5 SD WRAL
0 NBA LEAGUE PASS PREVIEW CHANNEL
0 DISCHD
0 TNTHD
0 FOX50 SD WRAZ
0 UPN28 SD WRDC
0 OXYGEN CHANNEL
0 UNC-TV SD (KIDS?)
0 NBC17 SD WNCN-DT
0 QVC SHOPPING CHANNEL
0 HSN HOME SHOPPING NETWORK
0 TRAVEL CHANNEL
0 TWC NEWS14 CAROLINA WEATHER CHANNEL (CABLE CH.100)
0 ONDEMAND PREVIEW
0 EVENTS INDEMAND PREVIEW
0 UNIVISION SD
0 WGN9 SD
0 NOT SURE, NO LOGO AND PAID PROGRAMMING
0 TELEFUTURA SD
0 SAHLA LOCAL ACCESS CHANNEL (?) CH.60 ON CABLE
0 NEWS14 NEW CHANNEL
0 NBC SD WECT6
0 WB NETWORK (NO OTA AFFILIATE)
0 WFXB43 FOX
0 WMMB21 UPN
0 WPDE15 ABC
0 WBTW13 CBS
0 WAUG-TV (RALEIGH LOCAL)
0 WRAL5 SD WEATHER CENTER (113.4

What is the reception like in Chapel Hill? Will I need a very powerful antenna to pick up channels or will a small indoor one like the silver sensor work?

What is the reception like in Chapel Hill? Will I need a very powerful antenna to pick up channels or will a small indoor one like the silver sensor work?
go to http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/welcome.aspx and type in your zip code.

Well I've done that, but I still don't understand what it all means or what I kind of antenna I need. I'm really new to this whole thing.

Well its pretty simple really. Go to bestbuy or radio shack and get an indoor antenna. If all the channels come in then you are set. If not, take the antenna back and get your money back, then you will know you need an outdoor antenna.

Ok thanks. The problem is though that I'm not in Chapel Hill yet. I'll be moving there in the summer, but I'm wanting to get an antenna to use now that will hopefully work there as well. Is there anyone on here from the Chapel Hill/Carborro area?

Ok thanks. The problem is though that I'm not in Chapel Hill yet. I'll be moving there in the summer, but I'm wanting to get an antenna to use now that will hopefully work there as well. Is there anyone on here from the Chapel Hill/Carborro area?
even people that live in that area cant help you. things like buildings, trees, electrical interferiance and so on all play a roll. You will have to just wait until you move in to see.

click the link, i think it may help you. the best thing to do is see for yourself by trying both connections. http://www.bluejeanscable.com/articles/dvihdmicomponent.htm

also, i dont know what 8300 box you have but mine has HDMI not DVI.


Thanks for the article on DVI and HDMI cable. So it looks like my LG HDTV has a DVI connection but not an HDMI connection. The 8300 cable box has a HDMI connection but not a DVI connection. From reading the article, it looks like I would need an adapter. Can someone walk me through what I need? Do I need a DVI cable, HDMI cable, and a DVI/HDMI adapter? or just the adapter and one cable? Thanks in advance.

Raleigh1208

Thanks for the article on DVI and HDMI cable. So it looks like my LG HDTV has a DVI connection but not an HDMI connection. The 8300 cable box has a HDMI connection but not a DVI connection. From reading the article, it looks like I would need an adapter. Can someone walk me through what I need? Do I need a DVI cable, HDMI cable, and a DVI/HDMI adapter? or just the adapter and one cable? Thanks in advance.

Raleigh1208
It's probably simplest to get a HDMI to DVI cable (HDMI on one end and DVI on the other). Then a simple L/R audio cable for audio.

meh instead of watching the ohio state game on 5.3 i watched the wral technicians rewinding tapes

now back to the game

Raleigh1208,

You need a female DVI to male HDMI adapter, if you already have a DVI cable for your tv. I did a Google search and they are $20 - $30 each. A male DVI to male HDMI cable will be a little more, if you don't have a DVI cable.

[QUOTE=HDTV-NUT]click the link, i think it may help you. the best thing to do is see for yourself by trying both connections. http://www.bluejeanscable.com/articles/dvihdmicomponent.htm

Do you recommend the cables from bluejeancable.com?

Do the more expensive ones make a difference?

Raleigh1208

[QUOTE=HDTV-NUT]click the link, i think it may help you. the best thing to do is see for yourself by trying both connections. http://www.bluejeanscable.com/articles/dvihdmicomponent.htm

Do you recommend the cables from bluejeancable.com?

Do the more expensive ones make a difference?

Raleigh1208

How long does your cable need to be?

[QUOTE=raleigh1208]

How long does your cable need to be?


3 or 4 feet, max.


Raleigh1208

you should check out the following stores:

cablesforless.com
compunettech.com
monoprice.com
svideo.com

i've ordered some cables from them and they are good quality with much lower price than many other places.

[QUOTE=HDTV-NUT]click the link, i think it may help you. the best thing to do is see for yourself by trying both connections. http://www.bluejeanscable.com/articles/dvihdmicomponent.htm

Do you recommend the cables from bluejeancable.com?

Do the more expensive ones make a difference?

Raleigh1208

Blue Jeans Cable are very good cable. Monoprice.com also makes good cables. I got my HDMI from Monoprice. The only difference between a monoprice HDMI cable and a Monster HDMI cable is a huge price difference. There is no difference in performance. Now, you can have a crappy cable that wont be that good, but as long as you buy from blue jeans or monoprice or bettercables, you will be getting a high Quility cable.

raleigh1208, this is the cable you will want to go with. HDMI to DVI. http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10231&cs_id=1023103&p_id=2404&seq=1&format=2&style=

I should also ask, what type of TV do you have? If its a RP CRT or direct view CRT, there will be no improvement with HDMI. HDMI and DVI are a digital connection, they work best with digital TV's, plasma, LCD, DLP, LCOS, etc.. a CRT is an analog TV and works best with an analog connection, (Component Cable).

raleigh1208, this is the cable you will want to go with. HDMI to DVI. http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10231&cs_id=1023103&p_id=2404&seq=1&format=2&style=

I should also ask, what type of TV do you have? If its a RP CRT or direct view CRT, there will be no improvement with HDMI. HDMI and DVI are a digital connection, they work best with digital TV's, plasma, LCD, DLP, LCOS, etc.. a CRT is an analog TV and works best with an analog connection, (Component Cable).


Thanks for the info. I've got an LG 37 inch LCD HDTV (du37lz30), which has a DVI connection but not an HDMI connection. So it sounds like I need the DVI-HDMI cable and an audio cable. I'm assuming I want a digital audio cable?

Raleigh1208

Thanks for all the information on HDMI to DVI cables and the various manufacturers. They certainly beat by a mile the over-priced Monster cables. But I need your help again. From looking at the suggestions, I found the following, with very different prices:

Better Cables, Display Magic HDMI to DVI Cable 6.56 ft--$89.95:

http://www.bettercables.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=11


Blue Jeans Cable, DVI to HDMI Cable, 6 ft--$24.50:

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/dvi/index.htm


Cables for Less, HDMI to DVI-D Dual Link Cable 6 ft--$14.49:

http://www.cablesforless.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2380


Mono Price HDMI DVI 6 ft--$6.44:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10231&cs_id=1023103&p_id=2404&seq=1&format=2


From $89.95 to $6.44 is a BIG difference!! Am I comparing apples and apples? Or should I go with the $6.44? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!

Raleigh1208

Thanks for all the information on HDMI to DVI cables and the various manufacturers. They certainly beat by a mile the over-priced Monster cables. But I need your help again. From looking at the suggestions, I found the following, with very different prices:

Better Cables, Display Magic HDMI to DVI Cable 6.56 ft--$89.95:

http://www.bettercables.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=11


Blue Jeans Cable, DVI to HDMI Cable, 6 ft--$24.50:

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/store/dvi/index.htm


Cables for Less, HDMI to DVI-D Dual Link Cable 6 ft--$14.49:

http://www.cablesforless.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2380


Mono Price HDMI DVI 6 ft--$6.44:

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10231&cs_id=1023103&p_id=2404&seq=1&format=2


From $89.95 to $6.44 is a BIG difference!! Am I comparing apples and apples? Or should I go with the $6.44? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!

Raleigh1208 Go with the monoprice cable. I can promise you that there will be no Picture Quility difference between the 2. What you could do, just to see for yourself is, go to bestbuy and buy the most expensive DVI/HDMI cable they have. Also order the DVI/HDMI cable from monoprice. Once you have both you can compare them. After you see that there is no difference, then you can take the expensive cable back to bestbuy and get your money back.

I'm assuming I want a digital audio cable?

Raleigh1208 Do you have a reciever that you will be plugging the audio cable into or are you just talking about the cable from your Set top box to the TV?

Do you have a reciever that you will be plugging the audio cable into or are you just talking about the cable from your Set top box to the TV?


No receiver. Just the cable from the set top box to the TV.

Raleigh1208

What is the reception like in Chapel Hill? Will I need a very powerful antenna to pick up channels or will a small indoor one like the silver sensor work?

I live out in the woods past university lake in chapel hill.

I've got a roof-mounted, amplified square shooter (for the multipath from the trees) as well as a silver sensor (w/ no amp) inside.

With the square shooter, I can get the following chanels with around 90% signal quality:

pbs (4)
cbs (5)
abc (11)
nbc (17)
fox (50)

WB and UPN come in very spotty (around 60%), which is not fun to watch.

With the silver sensor, I get the same as above at lower signal levels (around 75%), and UPN & WB barely come in at all (around 20%).

I hope this helps!

Just saw in the News and Observer that Game Show Network on Time Warner will be moving to the (2.95 extra) digital sports tier in april. Can't find ANY mention of this on the time warner website. Is this true?

I can think of a few dozen other channels in the 100's that i would like to get rid of... But i kind of like GSN.


ahh, found this with Google. http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6314295.html

No receiver. Just the cable from the set top box to the TV.

Raleigh1208
then you just need the basic audio cables.

Just saw in the News and Observer that Game Show Network on Time Warner will be moving to the (2.95 extra) digital sports tier in april. Can't find ANY mention of this on the time warner website. Is this true?

I can think of a few dozen other channels in the 100's that i would like to get rid of... But i kind of like GSN.


ahh, found this with Google. http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6314295.html
i never watch that channel anyway so it dosent bother me. but i agree, i would like to see them get rid of alot of crap channels and give me more HD!

i never watch that channel anyway so it dosent bother me. but i agree, i would like to see them get rid of alot of crap channels and give me more HD!

Looks like the Outdoor channel too..
http://www.newsobserver.com/715/story/420295.html

Oh well, at least our monthly price should go down since we are losing channels..

According to the mail GSN, Outdoor (both obviously to the Sports Package channels)and IFC is moving. The IFC channel (ch.170) is being moved to ch.305.

Looks like the Outdoor channel too..
http://www.newsobserver.com/715/story/420295.html

Oh well, at least our monthly price should go down since we are losing channels..

You were kidding right? When have cable prices ever gone down? They'll either keep charging what they do or add back some more channels for which I don't want to pay...

You were kidding right? When have cable prices ever gone down? They'll either keep charging what they do or add back some more channels for which I don't want to pay...

just like gas prices...

only way to bring it down is find an alternative, case in point DSL...

Looks like the Outdoor channel too..
http://www.newsobserver.com/715/story/420295.html

Oh well, at least our monthly price should go down since we are losing channels..

Your sarcasm was not lost on me. :)

Today I noticed that Discovery HD was moved from QAM channel 84.2 to 110.4.

I dont watch any of those channels so it dosent bother me.

Today I noticed that Discovery HD was moved from QAM channel 84.2 to 110.4.
I too noticed lastnight it was missing from it's usual location.

folks:
anybody on TW basic cable or OTA not getting discovery channel on 84.2? i haven't received a signal on 84.2, discovery HD, in three days...anybody else?

folks:
anybody on TW basic cable or OTA not getting discovery channel on 84.2? i haven't received a signal on 84.2, discovery HD, in three days...anybody else?
It's on 110.4 now, as I just mentioned.

folks:
anybody on TW basic cable or OTA not getting discovery channel on 84.2? i haven't received a signal on 84.2, discovery HD, in three days...anybody else? read 2 post above. lol

Recently I had not been able to receive WRDC-28 at all over the air, at 16 miles, with a 4228 and 7777. This morning both WRDC-28 (27) and WLFL-22 (57) are coming in gangbusters with "98's" on my tuning bar. The most I'd ever gotten before was in the low 80's. Also the low power Home Shopping Network outlet on 58 has been off the air for a few days.

WLFL still looks hideous. And all this comes at the shutdown of WLFL's abismal "local" ;) newcast at the end of the month.

Recently I had not been able to receive WRDC-28 at all over the air, at 16 miles, with a 4228 and 7777. This morning both WRDC-28 (27) and WLFL-22 (57) are coming in gangbusters with "98's" on my tuning bar. The most I'd ever gotten before was in the low 80's. Also the low power Home Shopping Network outlet on 58 has been off the air for a few days.

WLFL still looks hideous. And all this comes at the shutdown of WLFL's abismal "local" ;) newcast at the end of the month.

I've always been able to get 22.1 and 28.1 with an $8 rabbit ear set at 17.5 miles away. Signal has always been in the 60's. Haven't checked the signal in awhile. I'll see if it's any higher this evening.

It's on 110.4 now, as I just mentioned.

EG and Co.:

How did you figure out the HD Discovery had moved to 110? Did you do an autoprogram search after not finding it on its old 84 slot?
As I'm sure you've figured out, I'm new to the Raleigh HDTV game. I ask the above because I'm wondering if this channel-switching is a common phenomena or a one-time thing. My TV takes as a long as 40 minutes to autoprogram (and the idea that Discovery had been moved hadn't even occurred to me anyway)...do we know who moved it (TW?) and why? It all seems like we're watching, and discussing, some underground network from Max Headroom's heyday...

Recently I had not been able to receive WRDC-28 at all over the air, at 16 miles, with a 4228 and 7777. This morning both WRDC-28 (27) and WLFL-22 (57) are coming in gangbusters with "98's" on my tuning bar. The most I'd ever gotten before was in the low 80's. Also the low power Home Shopping Network outlet on 58 has been off the air for a few days.

WLFL still looks hideous. And all this comes at the shutdown of WLFL's abismal "local" ;) newcast at the end of the month.
You thinking they went to full power?

Down hear in Pembroke shortly after noon I'm getting a weak signal on 27 (not enough for video during the afternoon) which I've never gotten.

EG and Co.:

How did you figure out the HD Discovery had moved to 110? Did you do an autoprogram search after not finding it on its old 84 slot?
As I'm sure you've figured out, I'm new to the Raleigh HDTV game. I ask the above because I'm wondering if this channel-switching is a common phenomena or a one-time thing. My TV takes as a long as 40 minutes to autoprogram (and the idea that Discovery had been moved hadn't even occurred to me anyway)...do we know who moved it (TW?) and why? It all seems like we're watching, and discussing, some underground network from Max Headroom's heyday...
Moving channels isn't a regular occurance but since their moving 3 digital channels at the end of this month it's no suprise for this kind of QAM channel switch. Along with DiscHD's QAM channel -reassignment they added PAX to my QAM in the CLEAR lineup but since my tv maps all QAM in the CLEAR to ch.0 I'm not sure what the QAM channel is. According to the cable box it should be QAM 117.9.

(753.00Mhz - 51Mhz) / 6Mhz = 117 (program number = 009) = 117.9

EG and Co.:

How did you figure out the HD Discovery had moved to 110? Did you do an autoprogram search after not finding it on its old 84 slot?
I could have done an auto-scan, but that takes too much time, so instead I used my TWC box to find out, like this...

Tune to channel 280 first, then tune to channel 999 to see the Diagnostic screen (which works only if you already disabled Parental Control, I think). Then scroll down to "Tuning", and it will show the frequency (in MHz) and the program number (aka the subchannel number).

To convert the frequency to a channel number, use either of these equations:
Channel = (Frequency - 81MHz) / 6MHz, if the frequency is between 219MHz and 645MHz.
Channel = (Frequency - 51MHz) / 6MHz, if the frequency is 651MHz or higher.

In this case, TWC channel 280 now has a frequency of 711 MHz, and the subchannel is 4, so the QAM channel is 110.4, since (711 - 51) / 6 = 110.

You thinking they went to full power?

Down hear in Pembroke shortly after noon I'm getting a weak signal on 27 (not enough for video during the afternoon) which I've never gotten.

They must have... I'm getting UPN28 in Greenville at 80% which has never happened before. Usually I can only pick them up at maybe 2 or 3 in the morning! And that's at like 30-40% signal strength...

They must have... I'm getting UPN28 in Greenville at 80% which has never happened before. Usually I can only pick them up at maybe 2 or 3 in the morning! And that's at like 30-40% signal strength...
Ok thx, I'll try them later this evening after WRAL and the others lock in good.

I'm new to this forum. I just got a Vizio 32HD LCD tv with QAM tuner. The in the clear HD broadcasts of the NCAA games is fantastic. It seems better than my normal TWC digital HD box output, but it could just be the Vizio's LCD resolution compared to my old rear project CRT HD monitor.

I seem to get some lip sync problems on the Tonight show with the QAM HD reception. Does anyone else have this problem?

Thanks, this forum has been very helpful. :)

I have not received any reports of problems since we installed our new encoders in December. As soon as you guys can review your DVR copies please let us know if this was a one time only lipsync issue, or more often. It will take a few days for any pattern to appear in these posts, Oldemanphil, because of timeshifting, and how they receive it. When replying please mention OTA, QAM, or TWC STB / DVR. You certainly are in the right place for info!

Channel scans? Well, I would certainly recommend it at least monthly. Sure it takes a long time, but you can kick it off before going to bed or work, and complete it later. During the Olympics, we turned off 17-2, then back on afterwards. That can freak out some receivers and throw things askew. We just installed a software upgrade on our PSIP generator, (twice, as the first time it kicked us back to 55-1) That certainly plays havoc with receivers!

Yes, WLFL and WRDC are now reaching full power, so there's another reason to scan channels.

NBC17ENG, I noticed a little freezing last night while watching My name is Earl. I think it did it twice during the show. Is this a local issue or no? Thanks