tme - I'm about 17.7 miles from the antenna farm and am using the CM 4228 with great success. I tried initially to mount the antenna in several locations in my attic (masonite siding, asphalt shingles) with no success. Mounting on the roof immediately resolved my reception issues. I can receive all RDU area stations except 22 (power is too low) and 4 at the same antenna orientation. That said, I can receive 4 without rotation but it is subject to multiple dropouts. With rotation I can receive 4 successfully.

Thanks audio! This helps a lot.

I will definetly mount it on the roof with a rotator. So you receive the analog channels as well with it? I'm guessing since you said station 22 which is analog. I thought the analog ones were vhf and the 4228 only does uhf. Am I wrong?

One more time

Analog - Digital - Call letters
4 - 59 - WUNC/PBS
5 - 53 - WRAL/CBS
11 - 52 - WTVD/ABC
17 - 55 - WNCN/NBC
22 - 57 - WLFL / WB
28 - 27 - WRDC/UPN
30 - 42 - (something out in Wilson ) / SAH
40 - 38 - WUVC (Fayetteville) / Spanish
47 - 15 - WRPX / PAX
50 - 49 - WRAZ/ FOX

Now since the FCC wants to re-use the frequencies from channel 52- top of the channel range, it should be obvious that most if not all of the Triangle DTV stations will eventually be back on their original analog assignments. The key here is WHEN - and the current doctrine on that is after 85% or more of the households can get the digital signal SOMEHOW - this could be OTA DTV, or via cable translator, or even DBS translator.

tme - the 4228 is indeed a UHF antenna - it might do OK for the upper (say, 11-13, maybe more) VHF. If you want to save money, you might consider a VHF/UHF antenna - then you could certainly get all the analog stations as well.

For some background - I'm just east of Youngsville in a forest, about 22 miles from most of the antennas, and I have little to no problems on the VHF stations (CM3614 - sorry - out of production) - UHF I have a 4221 and a 28dB Winegard UHF amp . All this is on a rotor, and like audio, all but channel 4 come in pretty good without moving the antenna. - 4 comes in pretty well when I aim that direction (in Grade B BTW). I don't have a DTV tuner yet, so I can't say how well they will come in, but I can usually get good pictures on the UHF stations as well, again - no moving necessary usually. I definately recommend rooftop mounting also.

Also, depending on where you live, you may also be able to get the Greenville stations or the Greensboro stations. Channel 2 (analog) sometimes comes in for me, as well as 7 and /or 32. WUNC has another station close to Roanoke Rapids that is 36 analog, and there is another PAX on 62 close to Fayetteville as well.

tme - sorry about 22, I meant 57 which is DTV for analog 22 as scooper pointed out. I can also receive (at the same antenna orientation) the analog variants in the UHF band as well - 17, 22, 28, 47, and 50. As for the fact that the 4228 is UHF only as scooper points out ... since I can receive everything of interest to me fine from the DTV variants of the analog stations this currently does not pose a problem for me. In the distant future when 85%+ of the population can receive DTV and the HDTV frequencies are relocated to the VHF spectrum, I'll just have to mount an additional/replacement antenna. Depending on how far you are from the antenna farm (check at http://www.antennaweb.org) the 3677 or 3679 would very likely meet your needs as well and provide VHF reception as well.

For me, the fact that the 4228 blends in so well as to normally be invisible against the background of trees behind my house also makes it worth the inability to receive the analog VHF stations for now.

Thanks again scooper for setting the facts straight.

Daryl - any info on the indemandhd channel if it will be available prior to or on official launch date in september?

Is anyone having problems with WNCN-DT this morning? It looks to me like there's something wrong with the PSIP so I cannot decode it, just like with WUPN-DT. I have over SNR 20 on the signal, with zero errors per second, so it's not weak signal, and multipath wouldn't display ANY SNR at all, I know this for a fact.

But conditions were very good this morning; note the screenshot that overrode WFXR-TV with an SNR of 19.

- Trip

Thanks Scooper and audio for clearing this up. How can I find out how far I am from the stations antennas? I didn't see that on Antenna web.

Is it a bad idea to use a splitter on the antenna output so that the feed goes to 2 TVs?

Originally posted by mhdiab
Daryl - any info on the indemandhd channel if it will be available prior to or on official launch date in september?
mhdiab,

Nope, I haven't heard a word about it yet. My TWC buddy hadn't yet either. One thing bad about the Raleigh/Duhram/Fayetteville head end and office. Sometimes they will do stuff like add a channel, turn one off or switch something without sending a memo to the local offices. :)

Trip in VA,

That looks like a screenshot of WRDC-DT's UPN 28 channel.

Best site I've found is www.ardman.net . You can even put in your own Lat/Long and the database inquiry will tell you exactly where you are in relation to the transmitter antennas.

As a point of interest - MOST of the Triangle's DTV towers are just east of Clayton - you can see them driving by on I40 - channel 22 (analog) is elsewhere, and so is 4/59 and 40/38 and 47/15 .

Hey guys - I'm new to the site. Quick question ... I haven't been able to get WB OTA - at least not the digital version (Durham). I see that some of you have. Are they broadcasting any HD or just 480i?

Just digitized their analog 480i channel.

so, what you're saying is that I'm not missing smallville in HD - just in digital.

by the way - I emailed TWC about inHD and the preview that's going on now - and the only thing they said was that they were planning on adding the channel this fall. Anyone here have a more specific date?

The WB station (as well as UPN) here is owned by Sinclair, who, up to now have done nothing more than put digital repeaters of their NTSC signal on the air at just about every station they own. There is some rumors that they might be allocating some budget to passing through HDTV soon but no real info. In the meantime, not being able to receive WB or UPN will not keep yopu from seeing any HDTV at all.

But doesn't WB do Smallville in HDTV? I'd love to see that in HD.

WB is showing Smallville and Reba in HD right now.

But those of us in the Raleigh Durham area won't get it OTA in HD, correct?

You've got it. Because Sinclair owns the local WB station, WB is the only major network station that has HD content that we are missing.

is Sinclair a person or a company - either way, I'm not liking him/her/them very much at the moment.

It's a company that owns numerous TV stations - one that over-extended themselves buying the TV stations so now with the DTV (HDTV) transition, they are cash-strapped to do only the minimum required for DTV. I don't ever look for Sinclair to offer HDTV (and that also applies for our local UPN as well - also Sinclair owned)....

Sinclair is a company, one of the largest TV and Radio owners in the US I believe. You should search on "sinclair" in the HDTV Programming forum, I'm sure you will come up with plenty of hits. There is a representative of the company that posts at AVS occaisionally under the handle MisterDtv. He is a VP I think and is the one who mentioned that they might finally ne moving on getting some HDTV going. The comany has definitely been against spending anything on HDTV so far and with the weak FCC regs on the DTV transition, they do not really "have" to show any HDTV ever.

Pretty sure that there was a thread on the forum that stated that Sinclair is appropriating funds for HD transitions in markets - not sure if it is all (probably not), but lets not get overboard on the never end....once Fox announced they announced so they should be on board "soon"

Believe it when you see it.... IMHO

Kudos to dafra on all the work he put into his home theater. Just got back from his "unveiling" and have to admit I'm extremely impressed at what he's accomplished, especially since he admitted that he never used a wood router before this project. The custom cabinetry looked great. It was also great to hear about his experiences with issues like light, sound, heat, power, etc. Thanks, dafra, for sharing.

Just an FYI - I emailed WRAL today and asked them what there plans were for NFL HD coverage this season. Here is the reply ...

<<<
Yes, we do intend to air the HD games every weekend including those weekends that we do not air that particular game on WRAL-TV. Hope you enjoy.
>>>

YES! WRAL ROCKS!!

Originally posted by deArgila
Just an FYI - I emailed WRAL today and asked them what there plans were for NFL HD coverage this season. Here is the reply ...

<<<
Yes, we do intend to air the HD games every weekend including those weekends that we do not air that particular game on WRAL-TV. Hope you enjoy.
>>>

YES! WRAL ROCKS!!
We're indeed very fortunate to have such a forward-thinking broadcaster in our immediate area. I can't wait to join the local HD party when my targeted set finally becomes available next month!

Can't wait for ACC action in HD!

Anyone picked up the new STB from TWC in or around the Raleigh area?

Didn't know they had one - which one is it?

I went in to ask on Saturday at the Cary Branch - they said " no plans for any new HiDef Settop box other than the current 3100HD (which I have). They are planning a Tivo/Replay-like box.

Hi,

A while ago, someone wrote that according to the Cable Act of 1992, Time Warner customers should be able to subscribe to BASIC cable service and rent the HD box without having to pay for the digital tier. Someone else said they tried and failed, but would try again and speak to a superviser. This person said he would report back, but then I never saw any other messages on this topic. So, has anyone successfully gotten Time Warner to provide the local HD channels and yet only pay for BASIC service and the HD tuner box rental? I'd really like to do this and I'd like to hear about successes (and failures). Thanks,

GreggD

Hi,

I just recently bought an HDTV and I would like to try to get local HD channels over the air. I bought a Samsung SIR-T151 HD tuner at Best Buy and an antenna at Radio Shack. I don't recall the model number of the antenna (I ended up returning it), but it was about 6 feet long and only a few inches thick and deep -- like a long flat bar -- similar in appearance to the Turk 55 (I think that is the correct model). I put the antenna in the attic of our ranch house. Our house is located on a hill (near Crabtree Mall), but there are lots of large trees in our yard. I was able to get most of the HD channels, but they all experienced drop outs and pixelation every few minutes. Here are my (naive) questions:

1. What is the best antenna for an attic?

2. Will I get a better picture with a roof-top antenna? I have heard some people say that the roof is no better than the attic and others say the roof is definitely better (and these were antenna resellers and professional installers).

3. Can someone please recommend a GOOD installer?

4. Approximately how much should I expect to pay for installation of a roof-top or attic antenna?

5. Would I lose anything by splitting the cable to feed 2 TVs?

6. Is a power amplifier (or whatever it's called) recommended?

I know that many of these questions are pretty basic, but I would really appreciate answers to them. Thank you very much for the help,

GreggD

Originally posted by GreggD
A while ago, someone wrote that according to the Cable Act of 1992, Time Warner customers should be able to subscribe to BASIC cable service and rent the HD box without having to pay for the digital tier.

Well, I haven't tried this - but I seem to have read somewhere that the cable companies do NOT have to do this, and it is just a common misunderstanding. I could be wrong, it's worth a shot.

However, I was able to get a really great deal from TWC for switching from satellite. They offered me basic, standard, and digital tiers - including all the HD channels (PBS, ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, DiscHD) - plus all the HBO's (inc. HBO-HD), all the Showtimes (inc. ShowHD) - all for $39.95/mo for a year. That includes the HD box. All I had to do is show them a recent satellite bill.

Originally posted by GreggD
2. Will I get a better picture with a roof-top antenna? I have heard some people say that the roof is no better than the attic and others say the roof is definitely better (and these were antenna resellers and professional installers).

5. Would I lose anything by splitting the cable to feed 2 TVs?

6. Is a power amplifier (or whatever it's called) recommended?

2. YES - especially given the area you describe. Height is your friend.
5. You would lose some signal strength - you could use a signal booster if you're experiencing low signals.
6. You really only need an amp if you have a lot of splits, or if the signal coming in is just too weak (even with proper placement of the antenna).

Of course, you could go with TWC and not worry about it!

So, is there not going to be a new STB from Time Warner?

Any updates on the TWC availability of the SciAm 8000HD HD PVR?

Have any of you sent emails to TWC about HDNet, ESPNHD, InHD, FSNHD, and NBATVHD?

I also went to the HDNet website and sent TWC a fax asking them to add HDNet.

Wouldn't it be nice to have all these channels in the line-up?

I've been tempted to go back to Time Warner cable for the current HD lineup they have, but with the fiasco I've had this week with our RoadRunner service, I'm reminded why I switched from TW to DirecTV for our TV service.

I don't think this is old news. UNC HD is up OTA right now. First time I have seen that OTA and the 3-5 sub channels are off at this time.
hmmmm
Wonder if they are going to only do 2 channels at night and then more during the day (without HD).

keefer37,

I keep thinking the same thing. TWC offered me the same service I am getting with DirecTV with two months of free service (totally free) and a lower price.

I thought about at least trying it out.

But then I thought about how unhappy I was with thier service and HD cable box.

I will recommend them to people just starting with HD, because the initial cost is less. But I am most happy with DirecTV and all the HD channels they have. And I haven't had any service headaches with them.

jeremiah75,

I'm definitely staying put with DirecTV. I've had no problems, complaints or anything with DirecTV.

While I had constant problems with Time Warner. I'm totally psyched cause as of Friday, they won't even be getting any cash from me for my high speed Internet. I'm moving to Verizon DSL. Woo hoo!

Another plus on DirecTV for the present -- ESPN HD tonight: Eagles & Saints.

Right now I get the local triangle HD OTA (well, most of it - I really need to get a better antena). I'm waiting for someone to make a decent HD PVR (mostly TiVo, since I have one already and love it) before I make a final decision between cable and satellite. Once the OpenCable standards are in fuller use and I can, in theory, buy an HD digital PVR to use on TWC, it comes down to wo things. The customer service and channel selection. While this may change by the time I make a "final" decision, currently I can get HD locals on TWC, but I can't with DirecTV. Since I can get them OTA where I am, that may not end up mattering, but if you can't get your HD locals OTA, that might end up being a *really* big deal.

I'm no fan of TWC, so I guess I'd qualify my first post to this thread as some random thoughts.

Just corresponded with Jimmy Goodman at WRAL last night. After we heard that USA network was going to use the CBS HD equipment to telecast some HD coverage we had hoped that at least the WRAL-HD station could broadcast the USA network feed. Sorta like what was done for some of the Masters coverage.

However Jimmy said that USA network had made arrangements directly with TimeWarner Cable to broadcast a USA HD feed. He didn't say which market specifically that TWC would do this, just that they had agreed. So... The net result is that WRAL can NOT broadcast any of the HD stuff from USA (of course they WILL have the normal CBS feeds).

So, not matter what I am out of luck because even if TWC in Cary/Apex does provide the HD feed from USA, since I don't have the digital package I won't see it.

I just hope for those of you that have the digital package & HD-STB that you get to see some great tennis. Nighttime tennis in HD is a sight to behold.

Originally posted by WildBill
I don't think this is old news. UNC HD is up OTA right now. First time I have seen that OTA and the 3-5 sub channels are off at this time.
hmmmm
Wonder if they are going to only do 2 channels at night and then more during the day (without HD).

I checked last night but it was about 11:15 and the 4.2 channel was black. I figure they are probably cutting the HD feed at 11:00 though so I will look again tonight. I did notice that the signal strength was the highest I had ever seen on UNC, I wonder if they upped the power on their transmitter as well?

With PBS's OTA reception, between 8pm and 11pm sub channels -3, -4 and -5 will be off the air while the subchannels -1 SD and -2 HD will be on the air. Between 11pm and 8pm sub channels -1, -3, -4 and -5(all SD) will be on the air while subchannel -2 HD will be off the air. This began Sunday evening August 3rd.

On TWC all 5 subchannels will be on 24/7. You can look at the Wilmington NC thread were UNC-TV's head engineer posted this info.

Cool thanks for the update Daryl.

Lee, I noticed that the signal strength of PBS is much higher as well. From my house, it is on par with WRAL and that is a good strong signal.

Hello all. I've been lurking every now and then here, and I finally am up and running HDTV in S. Chapel Hill area. I have a decent roof top channel master and am getting most DTV signals I see here, with two notable problem areas: WUNC (and I can see the antenna from my house!) and NBC 17 DTV channels. I've seen them every now and then so I know they are there, but they mostly do not show up. This antenna is pointed to max out the biggest number of stations and I get fox and CBS and ABC etc just fine. I get analog 17 just fine. I can see why WUNC might be a problem because I am pointed away from them. Perhaps a rotor might be in order - but I'm already getting Greensboro CBS fairly routinely.

Can anyone shed light on the NBC DTV signals? Is the tower more distant or in a different direction than channels 17 and 5-1 etc? Or is there signal just weak (temporarily or all the time)? It's hard to believe I might need bigger than a 10 foot antenna for any local channel.

Pardon me if this is a dumb question, but has there ever been any thought given to forming a Triangle HD user's group, so to speak? It'd be cool to have meetings and invite people like Jimmy Goodman and folks from other stations broadcasting HD to hear about their HD plans, etc.

If it doesn't already exist, circumstances don't really permit me to organize it myself, but I'd sure be interested in attending the meetings when I could.

Dan

Raleighwood, that soudns like a cool idea. I'd be interested in attending as well.

Originally posted by Raleighwood
Pardon me if this is a dumb question, but has there ever been any thought given to forming a Triangle HD user's group, so to speak?
The Raleigh HT/HD Club was formed a few years ago. I don't know if it still exists.

Here are some threads.
Raleigh HD/HT Club List (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=60129)
Raleigh HT/HD Club Visits the Studios of WRAL-TV/DT in Raleigh, NC (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39947)

Okay RTP folk, can any of you help me with NBC? The tech there said their tower is right there with channel 17, but that sometimes the DTV signal direction comes in better with an offset. And the FTC didn't allocate as much power to their signal as to WRAL. That's unfortunate for Chapel Hill folks, because the next NBC DTV signal is from Winston Salem. I get that one about as often as 17-1, and I'm pointed in the opposite direction.

Do any of you have solutions to 17-1.

I feel your pain and wish I could help. I can't get NBC either (except the rare evening when all the planets align). Of course, I'm using an indoor antenna, so I *think* getting a channel master and putting it in my attic should do it. It's on my list of things to do within the next couple of weeks. No rush though, as none of the stuff I watch on NBC is in HD anyway (at least it wasn't last year).

But if I could get NBC over the air then I could switch to DirecTV after they release their HD PVR and not worry about paying DTV for locals (and get my locals in HD since DTV isn't carrying any locals in HD).

Thanks, PK. I think I'm going to try a rotor. If not 17-1, then 12-1. And you are correct there isn't as much on NBC-HDTV yet, but I'm hoping for more in the fall (how about ND football for starters, NBC?) And I've seen a clip of the tonight show in HDTV, and it might be fun to check that out some imsoniac night. No rush here, either.

Update tonight with fixed antenna is 17-1 still isn't there, but 4-1,2 came in as the strongest DTV signals out there. Strange inconsistencies, but watchin' the (History) Detectives was cool in HDTV.

Channel 4's tower is in Chatham County and apparently they have upped their power recently which is why you are getting them so strong.

Glad to hear of the power increase Lee - I know where the tower is - I can see their blinkin' lights all winter. That's why I thought I should get them no matter what power they used. If I don't get them, it's a narrow, not a broadcast.

Good morning,
I wanted to respond to the note Deargile sent out a while back regarding NFL in HD.


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
FROM: deargila
Just an FYI - I emailed WRAL today and asked them what there plans were for NFL HD coverage this season. Here is the reply ...

<<<
Yes, we do intend to air the HD games every weekend including those weekends that we do not air that particular game on WRAL-TV. Hope you enjoy.
>>>

YES! WRAL ROCKS!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


Unfortunately, CBS has informed me that they will not allow affiliates to air HD games unless the affiliate is airing the game on the analog station. Thus, unless you are simulcasting the game on both your digital and analog channel, then you are not permittd to air the HD game only on your digital station. The reason for this decision is the deal reached between DirectV and CBS. I am very disappointed that we will not be able to provide our viewers this extra HD service. Hopefully, the game we air on WRAL-TV will be the game that is produced in HD!

Nonetheless, this is disappointing news for all CBS affiliates.

Take care,
Jimmy G.

Jimmy G. I reposted the original Deargile post in an NFL HDTV thread elsewhere to brag about how farsighted WRAL is and was immediately slapped down with someone who knew the deal - which apparently is in the NFL contract itself. This may have predated the Direct TV deal (that also cuts off people like me with Cbands who used to be able to get the now overpriced Sunday Ticket).

In any case, as a new HDTV afficianado here, WRAL still rocks as a leader in HDTV programming. BTW, I was interviewed on HDTV camera by one of your reporters a month or so back - now that I've seen other HDTV interiew closeups, I'm glad I never got to see mine! Every pore, every mark - yikes!

Oh, don't confuse me with another of your reporters who happens to have the same name (if you spell it out).

D@MN!

Well, thanks anyway. I hope we'll be lucky since the Panthers will be on Fox.

So tonight, nada digital from my friendly neighborhood WUNC tower. But NBC 17-1 and law and order was there in HDTV glory. Sorry, WRAL, I don't want upconverted reality programming (i.e. Oh big brother)

Is anyone else seeing problems with ABC 11.1? The video keeps having a green screen which flashes at random times throughout the broadcast. The audio is not interupted and the problem is not a weak signal. I've written to their engineer but have gotten no response.

gillcup - yes - I've seen the same thing on 11-1. Still below annoyance level, but I thought it might be strength or just temporary. Keep after them!

I know this is a digital TV forum, but can anyone confirm what channel TeleFutura is on in Raleigh? Is it 26? I took a trip to Topsail Beach, and got TeleFutura when going through Durham somewhere between 22 and 28. Can anyone say if it's WIWW-LP?

Thanks!

- Trip

Hi,

I have a few questions which I hope some of you can answer.

In the way of background, I have a Samsung HLN437W tv and a Samsung SIR-T150 tuner. I just recently installed a Channel Master 4228 antenna in our attic to try to get HD channels over the air.

1. Usually I can get FOX (49), ABC (52), CBS (53), NBC (55), and WB (57), but I never seem to get UPN (27). I live near Crabtree Mall in Raleigh, and I thought that all of these towers were basically the same direction from our house, so why can't I get UPN (WRDC-DT, 27)? Is it really broadcasting? Is the signal a lot weaker than the others?

2. I tried adding an amplifier, but I still could not get UPN. It did allow me to get PBS (59), though, which I did not expect. I tried both a Channel Master 3042 TV Distribution Amplifier and a similar product from Radio Shack. If I'm understanding this correctly, both were supposed to boost the signal by 13 or 14 dB. According to the signal strength indicator on my tuner, neither amplifier had much effect on any of the signal strengths, except for PBS. The strongest signal was never more than 10 bars, which looks to be about 50% of the range shown on the meter. The strongest signal might be 8 or 9 bars without the amplifier. Are there stronger amplifiers that I can use? If so, which one(s) should I try?

Thanks in advance for any help you can give me.

GreggD

Well, no real help here in NE Durham, but with a Silver Senor indoor antenna I get UPN at about 68% but don't get WB at all (not even one little percentage point). I've ordered a channel master in the hopes that it helps, but if putting it in the attic doesn't do it I may have to make a trip to the roof.

With the Crabtree area being so hilly it sounds like you have a multipath problem and if that is the case, no amount of amplification will help you.

Do you have a direct line of sight to the towers? If not, you might have to see about elevating your antenna somehow or possibly getting one that is more directional. Some people have used 2 antennas wither side by side or up and down to get better range and more off axis rejection. There have been some threads in this forum and in the Hardware forum as well. Search for "stacked".

GreggD: In some of these multipath situations, you can do better with a rotor. I'm going to try the experiment myself in CHill. My location won't help you with specifics - my problem station is 55, but if I get NBC to be more routinely available with a rotor, it definitely will mean I've addressed a multipath problem. BTW, I have an HLN 50" and a Samsung STB as well. The tuner in both is far more sensitive on UHV and VHF than my previous set, so I wouldn't blame the tuner.

Amplifiers aren't always equally effective for all frequencies - you might want to talk to pros about that one. But in the meantime, if you have any play in the attic, try moving the antenna orientation around a bit to see if it makes a difference on the missing channel - you still will want to put it back for max benefit to all, but it would suggest whether an on the roof rotor might help.

On the other hand, given what you already have in the attic, I'd consider youself in a pretty good spot.

Just curious (don't have my HDTV yet) - Does weather effect your reception?

Originally posted by DavidVTHokie
Just curious (don't have my HDTV yet) - Does weather effect your reception?

When I had an antenna set-up, I would notice some reception problems with weather. However, I had my antenna sitting in a second-story patio (as opposed to securely fastened on a mast).

Since switching to cable, I have had no weather-related problems (as you might expect).

Weather: HDTV is either all there and great or not there. So it's not like you see lots of weather effects on the screen. From what I gather, the appearance and disappearance of my weakest signals are definitely affected by atmospheric conditions, and it doesn't have to be T-storms. So on good days, I'm getting channel 12-1 all the way from Winston-Salem, and on others not. So until I get a rotor, I won't count on that as one of my regulars. But I still haven't seen any problems I think are weather related with the strong signals from most of my digital channels, e.g. 5 and 11. Channel 4-1 which is powerful when on (near me) often isn't. But weather doesn't look like the issue there.

Originally posted by Lee L
With the Crabtree area being so hilly it sounds like you have a multipath problem and if that is the case, no amount of amplification will help you.

Do you have a direct line of sight to the towers? If not, you might have to see about elevating your antenna somehow or possibly getting one that is more directional. Some people have used 2 antennas wither side by side or up and down to get better range and more off axis rejection. There have been some threads in this forum and in the Hardware forum as well. Search for "stacked".

Our house is on top of a hill, but I can't say that there are not other hills between our house and the towers. I was told that the antenna I bought (a Channel Master 4228) is a highly directional antenna, so I would not have expected that to be a problem. I had wondered about hooking up 2 antennas, so I'll look into that. Thanks for the help.

If you already have a directional antenna (I certainly don't know antenna number by heart, so I did not mean to say yours wasn't ;) ) your best bet is probably going to be to mount it outside. Having the antenna in the attic adds in quite a bit of signal attenuation and with different rooflines of your house and neighbors you can get some reflectiosn as well.

Have you tried www.antennaweb.org ? That can help you somewhat or at least confirm that you are on the right track as far as antenna selection.

I live in Morrisville and have a crappy old Terk TV50 I bought a few years ago before I knew better and I have mine haphazardly laying on 2 screws in trusses in the attic in the first place I tried and I pick up most of the area stations at 85-95% depending on weather and time of day. My in laws live in Preston and have a Channelmaster directional with the yagi aimed at the towers. We tried it in their attic but got bad results, when we mounted it on a mast right above the same place in the attic, we got different bad results. Finally, we stuck the mounting pole right down inside a plumbing vent, keeping the antenna as close to the roof valley as possible and got much better results. All these locations were within a 10 foot circle of each other so antenna placement is more art than science IMO.

Good luck.

I finally got my channel master setup this weekend. It's "in the attic" although placed about a foot from a flat outside wall. Anway, I get much better signals from all the stations I used to get, plus I can get the WB now, but I still can't get UPN. The signal bounces between 24%, 0%, 78%, 0%, etc. Does anyone know what might cause the signal to bounce around like that (pretty regular 3 second or so intervals) and why it would affect UPN and not the other stations that I get at 151 degrees? Thanks.

Multipath of some sort, most probably. Get the antenna out of the attic and your problem may go away.

What about those of us that have to use our attic? Any way to minimize multipath, etc.?

I'm thinking if I had to put my antenna outside, I could put it on the back of the house near the the roof and hope it doesn't get noticed back there. :)

I don't think anyone who owns their house "has" to use the attic. I think the FCC rules allow an atenna up to 10 feet above your roof line no matter what your HOA may say. I have mine in the attic because a) I have a coax run there, b) I don't want to make anymore waves than I have to (and I think that a roof antenna can affect the asthetics of a house), and c) I don't want to crawl up the roof, mount the antenna, run new coax, get lightnigh supression in place, etc and then find out the problem still exists. :D The only thing I watch on UPN is Enterprise, and I can watch that on cable.

Actually, it's up to _12_ feet above the roofline - read the OTARD in my sig. If you're saying you can't go on the roof because of a HOA - your excuse just evaporated

WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) is another thing altogether :D

No, my excuse is that I don't want to crawl up on the roof. :D

OK, part of it is that the only place to put the antenna that gets it pointed the right direction is one where it where it will be in plain view from the street (something I like to avoid even though I have that option legally). If I had more channels I couldn't get, I might do that, but just for UPN? Not really worth it.

Thanks for the link though.

I rent so I don't have that luxury right? I know the DirecTV sat dish couldn't be visible from the street, which is fine cause our backyard faces SW.

I'm with pkscount though, I don't wanna crawl up on the roof either.

It's definitely not worth it just for UPN.

I've got a Channel Master Stealthtenna, but have a new Channel Master 3021 4-Bay Bowtie UHF Antenna on its way, hoping that will help. I'm not sure how that's going to do in the attic, but I've got my fingers crossed.

I have seen pics of someone's install of a similar boxtie antenna in an attic either here or on TiVoCommunity that works wonders. I'm hoping to get similar results. :)

rent so I don't have that luxury right? I know the DirecTV sat dish couldn't be visible from the street, which is fine cause our backyard faces SW.

You have the same right as a renter - search on this forum for the FCC rule - it is out there and quoted about 50 times :)

I think that last post should be construed as such - "You have the same rights as a renter as does a homeowner", except that I would add that your landlord can restrict you from damaging his property.

Is everyone able to get ABC at the same strength as earlier in the year? I can get everything fine except ABC. Don't know what has happened, but it has been going on for about a week.

ABC strength is fine in Chill, but both NBC and WUNC seem flaky to me - NBC is clearly because I am at the margin for their signal. But UNC sometimes has the strongest signal out there, and sometimes isn't there at all.

Where ABC is NOT fine, however, is this periodic flash that happens only on their DTV channels. (I am not the only one who sees this - see above) This random intrusion marred an other wise unbelievably good picture on 11-1's version of MNF tonite.

ABC's signal has been on & off for me for the last couple of weeks. There have been days where I wasn't getting a signal at all.

I've reported the periodic flash problem to ABC's engineering dept. but still have not received a response. Please consider going to their web site and reporting the problem. Maybe if enough people complain, they'll do something about it.

I'm glad to hear others have experienced this "flash" problem on Channel 11. I thought it might be just my television. I contacted the Chief Engineer last week regarding the problem, but received nothing back. I have now contacted the General Manager at the station in hopes that someone will look into the "flash" problem. I'll post an update if I hear back from the GM.

Steve

Two things:

1) Can someone answer my question about TeleFutura?

2) Can anyone tune WCTI-DT (48-1) from New Bern? They have some horrible problem with their audio... it's like the worst CD skipping I've ever heard. I want to know if anyone else hears it.

Thanks!

- Trip

I'm in Rocky Mount, about 45 miles from the WRAL tower. My set up consists of an Ratshack double bow tie in the attic connected to a Ratshack amp connected to my HD 5.

For the past two years I have had flawless reception 95-100% on 5-1, 11-1, 17-1 and around 75% on 50-1. All of a sudden last weeked, after a huge storm on Aug 16, my reception is in the toilet. The strongest signal I can get on Wral is in the 40s. 11-1 and 17 -1 occassionally gets in the 30s and nothing on 50.

I have tried every antenna position I can physically try. I just can't figue out what gives. FWIW, however, during the huge storm that occurred on the 16th, a tree was struck by lighting in our back yard. This occurred after the power had already gone out, however, so there was no damage to anything electrical in the house. The HD5 is working just fine for HD Directv .

Anyone have any ideas? Have any of the stations been at a reduced power over the last week or so? Thanks.

Why would the power being out keep things from being damaged in the house? I am assuming the line from the pole to the house was still there.

In addition a nearby lightning strike can induce enough voltage in a coax line to fry stuff hooked up to it without a direct hit. I would try a new amp first to see if it is no longer functioning.

OK, now I'm seeing that black flash a couple of others have reported here on ABC11 HD while watching "8 Simple Rules..." I went ahead and reported it via the link to the Head Engineer on their web site, so maybe that will help (or at least be another voice to add to the chorus).

I got an email from the General Manager at WTVD stating he'll have someone look into the "flash" issue. I'll post an update when I get one.

Steve

Just got my Channel Master 3021 4-Bay Bowtie UHF Antenna installed and was able to pick up the three networks with high signals, along with Fox and a couple of other OTA channels we'll never watch, though I wasn't able to pick up WB.

Regardless, I'm very happy I was able to position the 3021 to get all the local networks OTA. Bring on the football and basketball seasons. :)

I emailed TWC about inHD, inHD2, and the carriage of USAHD's US Open coverage. Here's their reply:

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INHD and INHD2 are launching on select cable systems in mid-September. Unfortunately, we will not launch at that time. However, we do plan to launch both channels before the end of the year.

We are going to show coverage of the US Open in HD on Channel 225 Sept. 1-4. We just received word on this last week. Information will be available on our website today.
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I also inquired about ESPN-HD and here's what they said:

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As far as ESPN HD goes, a deal is still being worked out on a Corporate level. Believe you me, we would add it today if we could. We have received tons of requests for ESPN HD due to their college and pro football content. We don't have a timeframe as of yet, however the ball is in play so hold off on that dish!
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PS - the "hold off on that dish" was in reference to my email that said I was considering adding DirecTV just for ESPN-HD.

Originally posted by deArgila
I emailed TWC about inHD, inHD2, and the carriage of USAHD's US Open coverage. Here's their reply:

INHD and INHD2 are launching on select cable systems in mid-September. Unfortunately, we will not launch at that time. However, we do plan to launch both channels before the end of the year.

We are going to show coverage of the US Open in HD on Channel 225 Sept. 1-4. We just received word on this last week. Information will be available on our website today.

Nice news now only if I could update my old 3100HD STB for a newer modle HD STB.

Bama, what HD controller are you looking for? I just asked TWC about the 3250HD and here is the response I got.

I do not have any information on when or IF we are going to offer the SAHD3250 Digital Cable boxes. It does not appear that these boxes offer any significant advantage over our current SA300HD boxes. We would like to offer the SA8000HD DVR Digital Cable boxes at some point in the future, however it is several issues need to be worked out, and we are still VERY far from even setting a date to begin offering them

The USAHD feed schedule for the US Open is now on the TWC website:

http://twc-nc.com/digital_cable/us_open_in_hd.htm

Originally posted by bobjdan
Bama, what HD controller are you looking for? I just asked TWC about the 3250HD and here is the response I got.

I do not have any information on when or IF we are going to offer the SAHD3250 Digital Cable boxes. It does not appear that these boxes offer any significant advantage over our current SA300HD boxes. We would like to offer the SA8000HD DVR Digital Cable boxes at some point in the future, however it is several issues need to be worked out, and we are still VERY far from even setting a date to begin offering them

I was looking / hoping that the SA3250 would be available. As I understand it newer boxes have been released in the charlotte area but I think they are pioneer. I had a TWC tech out at my house last week. And he was all into the HD side of things. He liked my little setup and installed some boosters because of my weak signal. He also said that TWC never tells the techs a thing when it comes to newer equipment or newer HD feeds. My reason for wanting the newer STB is the ability to control the 1080i and 480i output. With the current STB it up-converts everything to 1080i. The newer STB's also have an aspect control built in. You can even set them up to output 480i on non digital and 1080i on the HD feeds, lots more options for the HD enthusiasts.

Seems a bit disingenuous to me for TWC to say there is no real advantage in changing from the SA3100HD when they have done exactly that in Charlotte. Geez, I thought being in RTP would give us some advantage when TWC deploys new technology. What do we need to do to make TWC in theTriangle see it that way?? Here is the link to the Charlotte thread where they talk about the new STB. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?threadid=128876&perpage=20&pagenumber=9

Originally posted by willobandb
Seems a bit disingenuous to me for TWC to say there is no real advantage in changing from the SA3100HD when they have done exactly that in Charlotte.

The only thing I care about is being able to view the HD channel while also viewing the "info" and "guide" features.

It's SO ANNOYING that the channel goes black when the guide comes up and that you can't see the info bar on HD channels.

That and the ability to listen to all the channels through the digital audio out.

If the Pioneer box does either of these things - it would provide a VERY NOTICEABLE improvement.

Of course, it's all moot if they can deliver on the Explorer 8000HD-DVR sometime soon.

Regarding the hd8000, I bet it won't be a free swap with the 3100hd. Regarding the upgrade referred to in Charlotte to the Pioneer 3510hd, I thought that a previous post suggested that Raleigh TWC was getting the SA3250 HD which does have some benefit over the 3100 such as scaling and DVI and doesn't kill digital out. I don't know if it shows the screen in the upper right corner when looking at the Guide and also keeps the sound of the channel you're watching when looking at the Guide and while using digital audio out with an HD channel. I would not like to give up digital audio out under any circumstances which you apparently lose with the Charlotte Pioneer vox. Dolby 5.1 in an HD movie is not something I want to lose.

Originally posted by bobjdan
Regarding the hd8000, I bet it won't be a free swap with the 3100hd.

I was told (when I signed up for cable a month or two ago) that I would indeed be able to trade my box for free.

Of course, I'm sure I'd have to pay the $5 or whatever for the DVR service. I'm assuming that's what you meant, right?

Originally posted by deArgila
I was told (when I signed up for cable a month or two ago) that I would indeed be able to trade my box for free.

Of course, I'm sure I'd have to pay the $5 or whatever for the DVR service. I'm assuming that's what you meant, right?

Actually, not having used their current recording box, I didn't know how it was priced. It would be acceptable to me if the 800hd DVR was available at no charge but a $5 montly fee for recording was charged.

Originally posted by bobjdan
Actually, not having used their current recording box, I didn't know how it was priced. It would be acceptable to me if the 800hd DVR was available at no charge but a $5 montly fee for recording was charged.

Yes, that's how I understand it will work. Note: Just to clarify, I'm pretty sure you can't get this box and not have it record, so you'll only get this box if you sign up for the DVR feature (and pay $5/mo. or whatever for it).

TWC channel 225 is coming up as InHD Preview. I know TWC is doing the US Open on 225 using the USA Network feed... wonder if they're taking that opportunity to preview InHD in the evenings as well?

Rob

Originally posted by Rob!Todd
TWC channel 225 is coming up as InHD Preview. I know TWC is doing the US Open on 225 using the USA Network feed... wonder if they're taking that opportunity to preview InHD in the evenings as well?

Rob

What is InHD?

InHD is a new HD cable station.

Originally posted by Rob!Todd
TWC channel 225 is coming up as InHD Preview. I know TWC is doing the US Open on 225 using the USA Network feed... wonder if they're taking that opportunity to preview InHD in the evenings as well?

Rob

Yeah, I see that, too. The preview loop looks FANTASTIC! It sort of makes me wonder why - assuming the email I got was correct - TWC won't start carrying this channel at launch.

The picture is just stunning! I'm very excited about the US Open later this week. (and today on CBS, for that matter).

We have a place down near Beaufort and get TWC cable there. For the HD systems, they are handing out 3510s. It is a Pioneer box labeled Voyager. It has what appears to be a better picture through component, a DVI connection, and better control of how different output frequencies are handled. I would love to trade my 3100 in.

Originally posted by gillcup
InHD is a new HD cable station.

Thanks. What type of programming will be on that channel? Is it an HD version of a current channel?

I almost don't care. I just installed a plasma in June and I'm still watching way too much TV, especially if it's in HD of a good DVD.

Originally posted by bobjdan
Thanks. What type of programming will be on that channel? Is it an HD version of a current channel?



It sounds like it should have movies, sports and other types of HD programs. Check out their web site, inhd (http://www.inhd.com/) .

Originally posted by bobjdan
Thanks. What type of programming will be on that channel? Is it an HD version of a current channel?


No, it is one of (I believe) 3 new HD channels from the people who do in-demand. They are going to broadcast a variety of sports, movies, and other programming. Among other things, they have a deal with MLB to broadcast 3 games/wk.

There are plenty of other threads in the programming form discussing these channels. Check them out ...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=295114

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=164671


InHD website: http://www.inhd.com./

Anybbody know what WRAZ-DT 50(49-1) is doing? I just now noticed that their usual daytime upconverted local programming isn't being shown. There's some HD stuff being aired. I'm mostly watching the US Open on WRAL-HD so haven't caught any in-between show info on WRAL-DT and haven't seen any logo.

I wonder if they started airing some of HDnet's stuff during the daytime like Charlotte's Fox station does. Or could they just be airing WRAL's HD demo loop while WRAL airs the US Open? Or maybe they started their own HD demo loop.

Update
I just saw a screen that said Marc Cuban show at 8:30 and then some show called High Fashions came on and the female announcer said we're watching it on HDnet.

2nd Update
Sometime between 4:45pm and 5:20pm they switched back to their local upconverted broadcast.

I recently got a Zenith HDV420, but it doesn't seem to be getting UNC-HD. I get WRAL-DT, WTVD-DT, and WNCN-DT just fine, but WUNC-DT doesn't give me 4-2, though it gives me the rest.

Here's what happens when I manually type it in.

59-5 remaps to 4-5
59-4 remaps to 4-4
59-3 remaps to 4-3
59-2 remaps to 4-1
59-1 remaps to 4-1 also.

What is wrong? I've done a new scan and cold-booted, but it doesn't seem to help. Suggestions?

- Trip

EDIT: Now 59-2 just sits there telling me "NO SIGNAL" instead of remapping to 4-1. Hopefully it means something's being done about it.

Originally posted by Trip in VA
I recently got a Zenith HDV420, but it doesn't seem to be getting UNC-HD. I get WRAL-DT, WTVD-DT, and WNCN-DT just fine, but WUNC-DT doesn't give me 4-2, though it gives me the rest.

I might have been given bad information about this - but an engineer at PBS (WUNC-DT) gave me the following explanation a while back when I inquried about the same thing:

There is not enough bandwidth OTA to broadcast the HD feed (4-2) and the three SD feeds (4-1, 4-3, 4-4). So, most of the time, they broadcast only the three SD feeds. And, sometimes, they broadcast the HD feed and 1 SD feed.

The only way to see both the HD and the 3 SD feeds simultaneously is through TWC.

I know about the special schedule. That's why I was sitting there at 8:50PM concerned about why the SD feeds were blank but at the same time the HD feed was totally nonexistant! Was anyone else able to watch UNC-HD this evening?

- Trip

I did not try last night but at some point over the weekend, I noticed that UNC was mapping to the 59's and not 4 like usual and I could not pick up anything but a black screen, but it was back to normal a few hours later. Perhaps they were fooling around with some settings or some piece of equipment is getting flaky on them?

Again today WRAZ-DT 50-1(49-1) is showing HDnets stuff again today. I guess this will be their daytime(non-primetime) broadcast now for awhile. I think its a good idea.

Originally posted by Daryl L
Again today WRAZ-DT 50-1(49-1) is showing HDnets stuff again today. I guess this will be their daytime(non-primetime) broadcast now for awhile. I think its a good idea.

Interesting - does it look REALLY BAD to anyone else?

Granted, some of HDNet's stuff doesn't look good but some of it looks great. Depends on its age and the materials source. So its not the fault of WRAZ, nor HDNet's for that matter. Its some of the early stuff HDnet got a hold of to offer on their free channel.

Okay, I just e-mailed Jimmy Goodmon at WRAL about WRAZ's programming. Here's a quote from part of it.WRAZ will be airing HDNet content M-F 9a-5p and Sat/Sun 7a-12n. We are please to bring more HD content into the RD-F marketplace. Right now, the picture is not as good as it will be in a few days is the bottom line. We have some tweaking to do to make that will improve the HD image.I ask his permission first before posting this.

This is a pretty sweet move on WRAZ's part. Kudos to them!

Now more can enjoy the HDNet goodness the rest of us have already been seeing!

That is definitely cool. Does anyone know where I can find guide data from HDNet. I tried hdnet.com but got to a password restricted site. I also did a Google search and didn't find anything useful there eiher. Thanks. This will be yet another excuse to not mow the law Saturday or Sunday mornings (and maybe call in sick from time to time). :D

It's www.hd.net actually.

Originally posted by Daryl L
WRAZ will be airing HDNet content M-F 9a-5p and Sat/Sun 7a-12n. We are please to bring more HD content into the RD-F marketplace. Right now, the picture is not as good as it will be in a few days is the bottom line. We have some tweaking to do to make that will improve the HD image.

This is great news! Are they going to be shoing HDNet "re-runs" or are they airing "live" HDNet stuff?

In other words, will WRAZ and DirecTV be airing the same HDNet shows at the same time?

I could be wrong but the HDNet programming WRAZ will be showing doesn't follow HDNet's programming schedule. For instance HDNet right now is airing a College football game while WRAZ has a movie on.

Other people that have local stations doing this mention this was what they noticed also.

I'm watching a show called The Business of Sports on WRAZ right now and the picture looks amazingly clear and detailed.

The Marc Cubban show was on WRAZ at 4:30 yesterday. It looked good too. :)

Daryl - I caught a bit of both of those shows, thanks to you pointing out the 50-1 HD stuff on yesterday's thread here. The part of Cuban's self promotional show I caught was a great example of unbelievable PQ combined with almost unbearable content. I hope the other stuff he puts out has subject matter where the PQ is used to better advantage. I had read good things about the channel being an interesting mix of lots of different programming.

On the sports show, I got the sense from the end (the only part I saw) that it wasn't current - out of date rant etc. Did they include more up to date info in the earlier parts of the show.

Jbach,Did they include more up to date info in the earlier parts of the show.To be honest I don't know, I only watched a few minutes of it. I think most if not all the HDnet stuff they will show will not be current. But I don't have any details so I could be wrong.

But the detail on The Business of Sports was fantastic what I watched of it.

It's a little disappointing that it's not "live" HDNet stuff - but I'll take old stuff over upconvert anyday!

I just wish they had a guide so I'd know what was on and when. The on-screen guide on TWC just lits the regular fox programming. Hopefully, they'll get that fixed.

PS - I also saw part of "The Business of Sport" yesterday on WRAZ and it did look great! MUCH BETTER than what I saw earlier.

deArgila,

I wrote J Goodmon asking if they plan to provide TWC with the proper guide info. No reply yet, but I have no doubt he'll reply. I also commented on WRAZ's low volume over TWC.

It would actually be helpful to have the guide data given to other providers as well (such as Tribune and ZapIt). That way stuff like the TV Guide (or the guide on my TiVo) would be right as well. I obviously won't be able to TiVo any of this stuff yet, but I tend to look for guide data there first, so if it was right I could just switch over to my HD tuner if stuff looked interesting.

Well, here's the reply from J Goomon.Yep...we are working on the audio problem...and yes, I am speaking with RAZ to improve the schedule listings etc...
Jimmy

TWC customer here. Does TWC-Raleigh/Durham plan to pick this up anytime soon? I see on the web-site that they are in negotiations...but have been now for months. What's the deal? Who can I contact (and how) to indicate my interest? Would this even help? Sorry for the number of questions.

Thanks.

Thanks for the updtate, Daryl. I look forward to having that guide up and running! Some of the stuff I've been seeing over the last day or two has looked fantastic! THANKS, WRAZ/WRAL!

To address the ESPN-HD question on TWC - that's the $1,000,000 question. You can send them an email asking for the channel - it certainly can't hurt (and they gave me a free "on-demand" movie coupon when I did it).

Here's a link:
http://twc-nc.com/scripts/faqcenter/contactform.php

All they've told me is that they would LOVE to start carrying ESPN-HD - but the corporate office is the one negotiating, so it's out of their control. But send them an email anyway - it can't hurt.

Anyone know what the deal is with NBC17 recently?

Leno hasn't been in HD either of the last two nights (TWC or OTA). Also, "Boomtown" wasn't it HD. Previous to this, HD shows wouldn't show up at all (black screen - no audio or video).

This is REALLY frustrating! Anyone know?

I still can't get anything on 4-2, and I've since been able to receive WUNP, 36-2 doesn't work either at the proper time periods.

- Trip

Originally posted by deArgila
Anyone know what the deal is with NBC17 recently?

Leno hasn't been in HD either of the last two nights (TWC or OTA). Also, "Boomtown" wasn't it HD. Previous to this, HD shows wouldn't show up at all (black screen - no audio or video).

This is REALLY frustrating! Anyone know?

I tried to record Leno the last two Mondays and got nothing but blank screen. I would suggest going to their web site, http://www.nbc17.com/ , and send a note to their engineering dept. I'll do the same. I'm always nagging them regarding the fact that their time/date being transmitted is wrong. It keeps getting reset to Jan. 1st.

OTA in the SW Triangle - I complained here a week or so ago about spotty signal strenth for NBC - 17-1as well as WUNC (and I am near their tower). I have a 10' Cmaster on the roof. I finally put in a rotor, and that has made a significant improvement. Now with two basic positions, I can get the Raleigh oriented stations like 5, 11, 17, 22, 28, 50, (and more) and their digital counter parts as well as western WUNC/and Greensboro-WS NBC (12)and CBS digital (2). So if 17-1 craps out on Leno, I can checkout 12-1. And I get whatever 4 is putting out. Last Sunday checking out American Drams I noted 17-1 had some hideous scramble pattern that blocked out the picture - haven't tried Leno yet.

Other things of note in recent OTA viewing: No more green flash on the ABC Thursday night NFL opener, but a great picture. Stunning tennis PQ on WRAL coverage of the US open - too bad is was the USA network that had the best match so far (Capriati/Henin). NO HD college games this weekend? Where are the networks? Also, the ND game (whew!) on 17-1 or 17 regular showed fairly shoddy SD and NTSC PQ that varied with the camera. It was obviously the network, not 17 this time, because cutaways to ads looked just fine (for SD) and it looked the same on 12-1..

NBC17 complaint sent.

Also, I got an update from TWC on their HD-DVR's. Nothing too exciting - it will be the Scientific Atlantic (they weren't sure on the model number) and it should be available "early 2004". In fact, they will be available in some test markets this fall.

PS - INHD is now gone. WHY!? I'm going to send an email about this, too.

This a real newbie question. Actuallly, I don't even have an HDTV yet. I have a Sammy HLN467 on order.

I noticed an audio sync problem on one of TWC digital channels: 218 WNCN-SD (55.2). I have their non-HD digital cable box (Pioneer BD-V1000) feeding a 12 year old Sony trinitron. Funny thing is, last night I was watching Law & Order on this channel and the Info bar said it was HDTV (pressed info button on remote). If it were really HDTV I didn't think my STB would handle it. So my questions are:

Q1. Anyone else hear an audio sync problem on this channel?

Q2. Is bad audio sync a common problem with TWC HDTV channels?

Q3. Is this really an HDTV channel?

And a totally unrelated question:

Q4. Must I use TWC's HD STB (SA-3100) once I get my Sammy, or can I buy a better one (one with DVI output)?

Thanks for any help,

Sooke

Originally posted by sooke
Q1. Anyone else hear an audio sync problem on this channel?

Q2. Is bad audio sync a common problem with TWC HDTV channels?

Q3. Is this really an HDTV channel?

And a totally unrelated question:

Q4. Must I use TWC's HD STB (SA-3100) once I get my Sammy, or can I buy a better one (one with DVI output)?

Thanks for any help,

Sooke

A1. I don't normally watch 218 because it's just the SD version of 217. But, checking on it this morning, I did not have a sync problem.

A2. No - at least, not that I've noticed. It does happen, but it's not a common problem.

A3. No, it is the SD version of NBCHD (217). The info bar indicates HDTV, (probably because it's a simulcast of 217, so they probably just copy the info bar) but you can't see the HDTV feed unless you're watching 217.

A4. You're stuck with the 3100 - at least for now. It is likely that they'll replace the 3100 with some box that has DVI and firewire sometime in the near future (i.e., next year) - but that's just a guess.

Below is a quote from an e-mail I got from WNCN back inn February about their audio sync problem on 218 (55-2).Thanks for taking the time to write us, we appreciate hearing from our viewers.

We are "painfully" aware of the audio to video sync on the SD channel. We are basically using the same audio source for our HD and SD, and since the data streams vary over time, the SD signal gets out of sync every other day. We are shopping around for a second Dolby encoder so the two DTV channels will have their own independent audios, so please be patient, we'll get it ironed out soon.

As you have observed, our main priority is the HD channel, which we give every bit of data bandwidth that the stream needs, and the leftover bandwidth is given to the SD channel. We will likely add another channel like the "other guys" have, but right now we are trying to keep the HD signal the best it can be. Thanks for noticing!

Thanks deArgila. It is reassuring that audio sync is not a common problem.

Aaargh on the STB.

Sooke

Daryl,

Thanks. You saved me a trip to the ear doctor ;)

Sooke

Originally posted by deArgila
NBC17 complaint sent.

Also, I got an update from TWC on their HD-DVR's. Nothing too exciting - it will be the Scientific Atlantic (they weren't sure on the model number) and it should be available "early 2004". In fact, they will be available in some test markets this fall.



I also got a response from TWC on HD-DVRs in the 'early 2004' timeframe. I was unable to pry a make or model from them. If it is a Sci-Atl STB, like they told deArgila, I can only find one model on the SA website that does HD-DVR: The Explorer 8000HD:

http://www.sciatl.com/customers/Source/4004400.pdf

This looks like a great box: PiP, record one HD show while watching another live. Record 2 HD shows while watching a 3rd pre-recorded.

I hope TWC gets the DVI out option.

Sooke

I checked out Leno last night after MNF. It was there on 17-1, but in SD, not HD. I just sent them a message on it.

a couple updates -

1. I got a response from NBC17:

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Unfortunately, our receiver for the NBC HD signal has failed, so we locked the system to our up converted NTSC signal to prevent "black holes" on the air during HD programs. We will resume HD broadcasts as soon as we can get a replacement or loaner unit in. I will be glad to respond back to you when we are able to resume the network HD feed.
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2. I noticed that the "info" bar on TWC for FoxHD (250) is now updated to have the HDNet programs listed. However, I noticed that the info bar lists the "live" HDNet programs, not the "replayed" ones that are being shown on 250.

For example, at 1:00 EST - the info bar says, "Wolf Lake" - but the channel is showing a dook vs. Navy football game, presumably last years.

2. I noticed that the "info" bar on TWC for FoxHD (250) is now updated to have the HDNet programs listed. However, I noticed that the info bar lists the "live" HDNet programs, not the "replayed" ones that are being shown on 250.

For example, at 1:00 EST - the info bar says, "Wolf Lake" - but the channel is showing a dook vs. Navy football game, presumably last years.
LOL atleast they tried. :D I'm sure WRAZ try to correct it but that will probably be a nice trick. I bet there's no guide listing for the old repeating stuff WRAZ is showing.

Does anyone have a problem with the picture and/or sound going out for a few seconds and then coming back on when watching HD? I think I might have a bad 3100HD. It also produces so much heat, that it smells like something is burning all the time. I got paranoid and started unpluging it. I have the 3100HD and an 8000 DVR on the same shelf that I used to have a VCR and an E* PVR501, so I believe that there is enough ventilation for both boxes. The 3100HD gets so hot that it will almost burn your hand if you touch it. Anyone else think it's the 3100HD, or should I rearrange my setup?

DeArgila: Thanks for the 17 report. They are at least on the ball, for I got the same prompt response from the staff there. Can't hurt to let them know we noticed.

They also said they are putting an SD upconvert of the network feed on 17-1 so there's no gap in programming on that channel. The picture looks a bit better there on my set than 17-0. I'm just happy to be getting that signal on a regular basis now, and hope there will be a quick fix. We are definitely in OTA HDTV/DTV heaven in the Triangle - I'm astounded at the number of DTV stations, with two choices for each major network and all of the minor networks in DTV at minimum, a flagship CBS HD station, 5 PBS DTV, with one showing HD and even the local Fox showing a true HD signal on alternative programming (how many Fox stations are doing that?). As a new entrant, I see no reason not to jump on HDTV here if you can stick up a decent antenna.

Hi everyone,
With the increase of HD programming from the WB and UPN, does anyone know the status of channels 22 and 28 regarding the passthough of HD programming?

Originally posted by Bruce Embry
Hi everyone,
With the increase of HD programming from the WB and UPN, does anyone know the status of channels 22 and 28 regarding the passthough of HD programming?


1) UPN still doesn't do HD.
2) I think Sinclair is more concerned with doing HD on their ABC/NBC/CBS stations--especially the ABC, so they look more attractive to potential buyers. I know they're trying to get ABC45 some HD. I don't think they're going to do HD on 22 for a while.

- Trip

Was anyone else having problems with ABC 11-1 last night? I was getting no signal all evening.

I got a very nice reply from NBC 17. They replaced their receiver this afternoon and we should be seeing HD again tonight! I wish ABC would be this responsive.

gillcup,

Thanks for the NBC update. I figured since they've been looking for a dolby encoder since before February for their SD channel 17-2 (218 on TWC) that they wouldn't be doing any HD before 2004. :)

I haven't watched any 11-1 this week so hadn't notice any signal problem.

I can confirm an HD signal on 17-1 at 10 (Law and Order). They were nice enough to email to alert me to the fix as well.

I didn't see any problems on a quick check of 11-1 tonight.

Yep WNCN's HD picture looked good lastnight.

I've noticed that the HDNet feed on WRAZ isn't in 5.1

Does anyone have any insight as to if or when they might start broadcasting in 5.1?

As far as I know, WRAZ isn't DD5.1 capable at this time. No idea when they will be. I e-mail J Goodmon and see if he's heard anything.

Okay, here's what J Goodmon said about WRAZ's DD5.1 offering and about the program guide data.WRAZ is not 5.1 at this point and time...no definitive date as to when 5.1 will be present on WRAZ.
Yes, the programming schedule thing we are aware of...not sure if you are aware how a station publishes a schedule to Time Warner or even TV Guide. Here's what happens....the programming department sends a copy of the schedule to Tribune 3 weeks in advance of publication. Tribune then formats and distributes the program schedule to TV Guide and Time Warner etc...Time Warner then picks up the schedule and "updates" it on the system. For a station to make a change to that program schedule (sent 3 weeks before), the program dept must contact Tribune...who, if they happen to be in the mood, can update the appropriate schedule and then send to TWC. TWC then updates the schedule every night at midnight.

OK...that being said I'm sure you are wondering what the heck I am talking about. My point is...the scheduling process is very frustrating for tv stations b/c we are subject to the work of another (newspaper time frame based) company. So...we contacted Tribune to change the schedule. Instead of taking the schedule that WRAZ prog dept provided...Tribune apparently thought it would be easier to send the already formatted HDNet schedule that they have in the system. What they didn't realize is that this is the HDNet broadcast programming on WRAZ rather than the regular HDNet programming...very frustrating I know...but trust me, we are working at fixing this as fast as we can...the problem is, we can't simply call twc and tell them to change the schedule...it has to go through Tribune...feel free to distribute.
jimmy

I just purchased a JVC D-VHS to access and time shift HD OTA. I recently converted my bonus room into a HT with front projection (Dwin TV3). I have had DirecTV wth TIVO for several years which continues to be fabulous. I recently got TWC digital/HD to view HD programming. I purchased the D-VHS to time shift HD programs and eliminate cable until TWC provides an HD PVR or TIVO comes out with their HD PVR.

I live in north Raleigh (North Ridge) and have an old antenna in my attic which is get a poor picture on regular OTA, but get no HD channels. I am only interested in network channels, so based on the location of the towers a directional antenna may be perfect for me.

Does anyone near me get decent OTA HD reception on major network channels (NBC, CBS, ABC) from an antenna in their attic? If so, what antenna do you use?

What's so wrong with putting a directional antenna OUTSIDE above the roofline - and don't say it's because of a HOA (see my sig) ? Out here in Youngsville, I get pretty damn good reception of the analog stations (can't say about digital since I don't have a DTV tuner yet) on my OUTSIDE antennas (one VHF, one UHF with an amp).

I probably could, but since I wouldn't want my neighbors to do likewise and I do have other non-HD alternatives for time shifting (TIVO DirecTV), if inside the attic does not work, I will wait for an HD PVR which works with DirecTV or cable.

What do you think they did in the early years, BEFORE there was cable TV ? That's right, they used EXTERNAL antennas. Something to think about....

Originally posted by Scooper
What do you think they did in the early years, BEFORE there was cable TV ? That's right, they used EXTERNAL antennas. Something to think about....

I'm on your side, here - I have an antenna on my roof. But that's a pretty weak reason to put one up, IMO.

In the days before cars, people used to ride horses everywhere - but that's no reason to go get one for yourself.

If he is against external antennas for aesthetic reasons, I think that's perfectly legit. However, I happen to think they can be placed where they're somewhat inconspicous and the ROI is high enough to be worth the trouble.

"I don't want to upset the neighbors by putting up an external antenna" is a pretty weak excuse to me - if I had forked out the dollars to buy an HDTV set and tuner, and couldn't get reception any other way - my antenna would be out there in a flash. In fact, if I knew somebody in the neighborhood didn't like antennas - I'd put it up just to piss him off - and tell him to "pound sand" when he expressed his opinion to me.

I can understand about placing it inconspicously, but not at the cost of FUNCTIONALITY either.

Originally posted by Scooper
"I don't want to upset the neighbors by putting up an external antenna" is a pretty weak excuse to me.

Hey, let's face it - putting up a directional antenna on the roof is not ideal in terms of aesthetics. You can't tell me that IF an indoor antenna worked as well as a roof-top one, you wouldn't choose the indoor variety.

I agree with you that functionality is worth the aesthetic trade-off - but let's examine HIS situation more closely.

1. He can get HD from TWC, who provides EVERY network he would get OTA.

2. HD-DVR's from TWC are scheduled to be out at the first of the new year. Even if that time frame is pushed back a few months, we're talking about a 6 month waiting period.

3. He doesn't like the look of an outdoor antenna.

So, the choice is simple - wait six months to be able to time-shift HD, or put up the antenna and start time-shifting today. Of course, if another antenna works in the attic, that would be the best of both worlds. (PS - I had pretty good success with an outdoor antenna in my attic - it was a channel master that you can pick up at Lowe's)

By the way, Dennis, you do have a digital tuner, right?

Originally posted by Scooper
"I don't want to upset the neighbors by putting up an external antenna" is a pretty weak excuse to me - if I had forked out the dollars to buy an HDTV set and tuner, and couldn't get reception any other way - my antenna would be out there in a flash. In fact, if I knew somebody in the neighborhood didn't like antennas - I'd put it up just to piss him off - and tell him to "pound sand" when he expressed his opinion to me.

I can understand about placing it inconspicously, but not at the cost of FUNCTIONALITY either.

I don't think your nieghbors would really care. I live on the west side of CARY, in a very upscale neighborhood. I have never had one complient about my OTA antanna. The antanna has now been up there for 2 1/2 years.

Jbach & Daryl,

Thanks for responding regarding ABC 11-1. I had no signal for over a week but today it seems to be back. Strange.

Anyone getting INHD on TWC in raleigh. I wasn't sure if they were adding this to their lineup as today is the first day for this channel.

No sign of InHD on TWC just below Fayetteville. But they removed Indemand Urban ch. 631 and Indemand Cinema ch. 632 from the guide. Just called my friend at the local Lumberton office but he hadn't heard anything and couldn't check at this time, he was busy ordering extra equipment incase the storm causes much equipment damage.

Anyone have a audio video sync problem with the 3100HD?

The Audio and video signal on my 3100HD do not seem to be in sync when I use the component video output to my HD display. I think that the video is lagging the audio but I can't really tell. The audio and video are in synch when I view from the s-video composite signal. When I view a HD channel it also seems to work fine. When I view one of the analog channels the lag is the worst when viewed through the component output. I assume that this has to do with how the box converts lowline video to 1080i.

Has anyone else seen this problem. Could I have a bad 3100HD. Has anyone gotten a different HD box from TW?

thanks,

Larry

LarryNC,

My 3100HD has never exibited that sync problem and I'm on my second 3100HD box (first died after several months use).

Wow, just found this thread. AVS Forum is so large, that it is almost impossible to get info out of it.

Matt

Clayton, NC

Welcome to our "club", Matt.

HDNet on Fox update: As of today, I noticed that both the program guide on TWC and the one on TitanTV are updated.

I can now actually find out what is going to be on in advance!

Thanks very much, WRAZ!

I'm confused -- what do you mean HDNet on FOX?

The local FOX affiiliate has been showing HDnet content on its HD channel during the day.

I'm really psyched for InHD. I hope TWCNC comes through soon.

Is INHD likely to come to DirecTV (or Dish Network) in the near future?

Not sure. No one really knows if InHD is actually being offered to the Sat companies. I'm pretty sure that I read a news release way in the beginning that seemed to say it would be available to all but since InDemand has always been a cable only service, you never know. As far ad Disn carrying it, they just added the HD channels on 110 and they said that there will be more stuff coming but only on the new sat location that requires the Superdish so it will be a couple more months before Dish will add anything else anyway as the Superdish has not started shiping. I don;t know much about DirecTv's future plans.

Well the HD thread on here where Ken H posts updates about the various HD stations and all made mention of sat in the bit about inHD I believe, but no specifics beyond that... Guess I'll just keep an eye on that thread for more on that.

I know the best OTA reception comes from an externally mounted antenna, but can anyone comment of how ChannelMaster antennas perform when mounted inside an attic, underneath a wood and asphalt shingle roof? I'm considering a CM 3021 or 4228 for inside my attic. I live in West Cary so distance from the broadcast towers isn't really an issue. Thanks.

Carmine

I have a Channel Master antenna in my attic. I live in North Raleigh up near Falls Lake. I have been extremely pleased with my reception. When I first put it up, I expected that I would have to move it outside fairly quickly. No such problems. I get very high signals on all the antennas near Clayton. My only problem is that I can't get the PBS station from Chapel Hill without redirecting the antenna. I have no room for any kind of rotating antenna.

One important thing, our house is on fairly high ground and the attic is another 2.5 stories up. Perhaps the nice high elevation is compensating for some of the reduction from inside the attic.

- Steve

cgreco,

I'm located near you and was unsuccessful with a CM 4228 in my attic. Once I moved it onto the roof I only have problems during very windy weather. My signal strength is pegged (I believe it's 16 dBf) for WRAL with the outside location with no amplifiers.

As opposed to ganymebe, I'm located in more of a valley, so I might have just needed the extra height of the roof location.

I'm trying to watch Angel in HD, but I can't tune in 57-1 (the WB). Every time I do it bumps me to 57-2 which is digital but not HD. Anyone seeing this?

Trying to get WB in HD? On a Sinclair station? Are you serious?

In English, that means I don't think they're doing HD.

- Trip

I've been able to tune 57-1 before, and I saw a post in the HD programming forum that Angel was going to be in HD.

Just because the network is going to provide it in HD doesn't mean that the station can be relied on. Heck, Sinclair hasn't gotten many of its ABC stations (WXLV Greensboro, WLOS Asheville, WEAR Pensacola FL, etc.) to do HD yet, let alone any of the other networks.

And actually, if it's mapping you to 57-2, there might be a PSIP failure, too.

- Trip

WLFL-DT 22(57-1) of Raleigh is digital but not HD. Their only transmitting a digitized copy of their analog channel.

By the way. For anybody on TWC in the Raleigh/Durham/Fayetteville area. My friend in charge of the tech department and equipment in my local TWC office was suppose to get me and himself a SA3250HD cable box to replace my 300HD box this week. Well, unfortunately he nor I won't be getting our 3250HD box. My friend contacted me and he was pissed. He said TWC have the 3250HD's in Raleigh and Fayetteville offices. They wouldn't allow him to get and deploy any though. They CLAIMED! that all the older 3100HD boxes had to be deployed before they could start deploying the 3250HD's. He went so far as to say that it was sorry public relations and asked my to post this information about TWC's actions about this in the Raleigh/Durham/Fayetteville area. He's hoping this will help draw attention and requests to our areas offices to get them released. He said that these new 3250HD's are to replace the 3100HD's and not be added to the 3100HD usage and to bring back customers they lost because of the black bars on the 3100HD's.

If your in the Raleigh/Durham/Fayetteville area, call requesting the 3250HD's. They'll most likely claim not to have them, but if bugged enough maybe they'll come to their senses.

Daryl L

What number do you use to call TWC? I will certainly be calling and voicing my request.

I'm down below Fayetteville. The number I use is a Lumberton NC number (738-2427) that redirects me to the Fayetteville office. I called today requesting a 3250HD box. As I expected, I was told they only had the 3100HD boxes available and didn't know when the 3250HD boxes would be available. Heck even my TWC friend plans to do this and some of his other co-workers since they won't know who's requesting. Just to get them to know we are aware of and want the newer boxes.

Suprising when I asked about InHD 1 & 2 the CSR knew what they were and even explained to me that InDemand turned off InUrban and InCinema to start the HD channels. But unfortunately she didn't know when they would be available. I'm just shocked she knew this. Because of that knowledge she possesed I wouldn't be suprised that she knew they had the 350HD's in stock and was told to deny it OR actually hadn't been informed about them yet.

I will ask as well. That makes no sense to keep the old boxes until they give them all out. It seems like everything is a holdout to TWC.

Well I got the new 3250HD box from the raleigh office. Unfortunately it looks like the DVI input is not activate as I get no signal from it. The good news is that it now stretches the image for non HD channels. I just went down there and they swapped it for my 3100HD.

Well I got the new 3250HD box from the raleigh office. Unfortunately it looks like the DVI input is not activate as I get no signal from it. The good news is that it now stretches the image for non HD channels. I just went down there and they swapped it for my 3100HD.

Well I got the new 3250HD box from the raleigh office. Unfortunately it looks like the DVI input is not activate as I get no signal from it. The good news is that it now stretches the image for non HD channels. I just went down there and they swapped it for my 3100HD.

thiruvil,

There's 3 versions of the 3250HD in the .pdf below. 3250HD plain, 3250HD with DVI output and 3250HD with DVI & IEEE support. TWC is gonna take the less exspensive mode (3250HD plain).

http://www.sciatl.com/customers/Source/4003138.pdf

Luckly you got one.

Anybody with TWC of Raleigh/Durham/Fayetteville know why as of yesterday the cable boxes program guide info for channel 252 WRAZ'S broacast of WRAL Weather Center is only listing Fox Sports Net in the guide info?

Is TWC planning to add Fox Sportsnet HD?

Just FYI: I exchanged my 3100HD for a 3250HD at the Raleigh office today. Little more info about the 3250HD. Under settings and then "More Settings" there is a setting for Aspect Ratio where you can set the ratio for your TV and then whether or not you want sidebars, zooming, or stretching for 4:3 programming. One note though... on HD channels, if there is 4:3 programming, this setting does not come into effect and there are black sidebars instead of the grey ones that the 3250HD normally superimposes for 4:3 programming.

Also... I have a DVI port but no way to check whether or not it is active. And, very strangely, the VOD channels, although flagged by the box as 4:3 programming, do not stretch/zoom when in those modes. They simply come up with grey sidebars.

Edit: One other neat little thing. On the 3100HD the digital audio output would go dead on the traditionally analog channels (e.g. 0-77). On the 3250HD the only channel that appears to have no audio on the digital audio output is 218 (NBC-SD).

Rob

Does it have a firewire port that you can record from?

I don't believe so... I have a couple of pics but can't post them directly as I've yet to made 5 posts.

It has the DVI port in the back and what looks to be a USB (could be 2.0) port in the front although I don't know if it is active.

Rob

... if you push the Bypass button on the remote (or the Video Source button on the DVR remote) it will allow you to switch between the sidebar, zoom, or stretch viewing modes.

Rob

I went to the Durham office to try and switch my 3100HD for a 3250HD and they didn't have any. They called around and found that Raleigh does have them and that Chapel Hill does not. They said to one another "how come we always get new equipment last." I drove to Raleigh and sure enough they switched out my box for a 3250HD. It seems to be their standard HD box now. I took it home and worried that it wouldn't work in Durham but it worked fine. I did have to call TCW to have them reset it once I installed it at home.

The box works great. The problem I had with the sound synchorization on the 3100 wasn't there on the 3250. There are now two standard audio outputs in addition to the digital audio out. One for the component video and one for the standard video. I don't have a coaxial digital audio input so I haven't tested the digital audio yet.

The 3250 allows you to choose 480i/480p/720p/1080i modes. I left mine set for 1080i as my plasma is a 852x480 model but tried 720p just for the heck of it. It allows you to choose your output aspect ratio 4x3 or 16x9. It also allows a choice of sidebars, zoom, or stretch which you can switch with the remote.

The s-video output works at the same time as the component output except it does not display any of the overlay information such as channel or guide info. HD channels are now down scanned and displayable on the s-video port so you can record them to a vcr. When you put up guide information on HD channels you can now see the HD channel in the tiny window. The volume information scroll bar also shows up.

The only problem I have so far is the choice of side bar colors. Right now it comes up as a fairly bright grey. It would be nice to lower the brightness on them or set them to black. Of course the option is to turn them off completely using either the stretch or zoom mode.

It's worth the trip to Raleigh to get your 3250HD now.

Enjoy,

Larry

That's great news LarryNC.

I called Fayetteville again yesterday. Got a different CSR from before. This one didn't know nuttin (except maybe what her girlfriends lipstick shade is called). :)

Anyway my friend from my local office called this afternoon saying Fayetteville let him get 5 3250HD's to bring down our way. He's scheduled for one to be brought out to me tomorrow between 9 am and 1 pm and take this 3100HD away. :) I'm ready for it. He called early today to schedule delivery today but I missed his call. :( It will simplify my wiring and input switching.

I switch my 3100HD for a 3250HD at the Goldsboro office today. I'm very happy with it. Just wish they would update the software so I can use the DVI.

Re: 3250HD

How's the quality of the component output on this box on SD channels compared to the 3100HD? I find the 3100 just horrible on SD over component.

Also, is enabling DVI just a SW upgrade, or is the DVI-enabled box just a different product? It's a real shame that we have an HD pioneer like WRAL, and a backwards-thinking TWC serving the same area. Would it kill TWC to enable DVI? I'd even pay more. You would think that technology leadership would be a key strategy in their anti-dish campaign.

Originally posted by Bob Michael
Re: 3250HD

How's the quality of the component output on this box on SD channels compared to the 3100HD? I find the 3100 just horrible on SD over component.

Also, is enabling DVI just a SW upgrade, or is the DVI-enabled box just a different product? It's a real shame that we have an HD pioneer like WRAL, and a backwards-thinking TWC serving the same area. Would it kill TWC to enable DVI? I'd even pay more. You would think that technology leadership would be a key strategy in their anti-dish campaign.

The 3250 has the DVI connection. We just need the software upgrade.

on a side note. Any of you folks have an idea when the software upgrade will take place?

Are any of you using a direct view HDTV. I just bought a Samsung TXN2775HF. I am a little confused about the reolution settings and widescreen settings. I have had to make some changes to get the grey bars to go away but am trying ot find out the best quality viewing settings.

Originally posted by Daryl L
Anybody with TWC of Raleigh/Durham/Fayetteville know why as of yesterday the cable boxes program guide info for channel 252 WRAZ'S broacast of WRAL Weather Center is only listing Fox Sports Net in the guide info?

Is TWC planning to add Fox Sportsnet HD?

Hopefully that will be the channel showing the HD 'Canes games instead of the main Fox channel. It seemed like every HD 'Canes game was on Tuesday, which eliminated any chance of watching 24 in widescreen.


Originally posted by LarryNC


The s-video output works at the same time as the component output except it does not display any of the overlay information such as channel or guide info.



When will this be fixed? My JVC TV has a unique stretch mode called "Panorama" that looks way better than simple stretch. I can use this only with S-Video. There's no way I'm going without the guide on S-Video! LOL.

Well, they brought my 3250HD out this morning. I can honestly say without any doubt that the foggy/hazy look the old 3100HD boxes produce on the coponent outputs is completely absent from the 3250HD box. :) Even analog looks better on the component output while being upconverted to 1080i. One thing I'm not crazy about is switching between 480i and 1080i in the setup menu everytime you switch from a HD channel to a SD channel. It's probably easier to switch tv inputs like I did with the 3100HD.

If you have a 1080i tv what ever you do don't choose 720p in the setup menu. LOL, the cable guy did this and we had a time guessing were in the menu the format option was at to reset it to 1080i (a boot don't help). You can't see the guide or setup menu through the composite or RF(coaxial) outputs. We were working blind. :)

Aside from all this I like the boxes improved picture quality. Someone mentioned pressing the ByPass button toggled between the stretch/zoom modes. Mine doesn't, it just displays the aspect ratio setting.

aldamon,

They corrected the guide to say Weather Center again.

Originally posted by Daryl L

Aside from all this I like the boxes improved picture quality. Someone mentioned pressing the ByPass button toggled between the stretch/zoom modes. Mine doesn't, it just displays the aspect ratio setting.


Daryl,
Its really odd... sometimes I can press Bypass and all it will do is show the aspect ratio and not let me change the stretch/sidebar/zoom mode. Other times it will let me change it. It seems to, at least somewhat consistently, allow me to change the mode using the Bypass button when viewing a SD digital channel (i.e. > 77). If it doesn't let me change it I usually have to either power off and back on or reboot the box but eventually it will at least on mine.

Rob

Daryl,

There is a procedure for setting the output format on the 3250 when your screen does not support its current format.

See scientificatlanta web site...
/explorerclub/getting_started/HDTV%20Scan%20Rate%20Procedure%204004225%20Rev%20A.pdf

It goes something like this.

1. Turn the 3250 on.
2. Press the Select key on the front until the message light blinks
3. Press the Vol- key. The message should say HdSr.
4. You have 20 seconds to set one of the following:
CH+ 480p
CH- 480i
VOL- 720p
VOL+ 1080I

The set top briefly displays SEt when these buttons are selected

Originally posted by aldamon
Hopefully that will be the channel showing the HD 'Canes games instead of the main Fox channel. It seemed like every HD 'Canes game was on Tuesday, which eliminated any chance of watching 24 in widescreen.

Looks like TWC is showing 14 games on WRAZ-HD channel 250
see: http://www.twcnc.com/digital_cable/canes_hdtv.htm

Originally posted by aldamon
When will this be fixed? My JVC TV has a unique stretch mode called "Panorama" that looks way better than simple stretch. I can use this only with S-Video. There's no way I'm going without the guide on S-Video! LOL.

Why don't you try setting your 3250 to 480p mode. Your JVC may allow you to use the enhanced Panorama mode when it receives this signal. My Panasonic will do this with 480 signals but not with 1080 signals.

Yep, I got that pdf file. We tried that about 4 times but the message light never would blink.

We also tried the Setup Wizard steps from the link below which oddly enough also didn't work.

http://www.sciatl.com/consumers/cablingPDFs/HDTV%20Setup%20Wizard%204003114%20Rev%20A.pdf

We eventually manuavered through the setup screen blindly after a few tries and got it back to 1080i. :)

Rob!Todd,

I see what you mean about the bypass button being finicky. I got it to work a couple times then it stopped.

I was just looking at my to do list on my TiVo and I see WRAL is broadcasting the ECU/Carolina game Saturday at 3:30pm. Any chance they're sending their HD truck down to Greenville to broadcast this game?

Interesting, I just cheked at craptastic (oh, there is a thing called stereo now?)JPSports (http://jpsports.ocsn.com/sports/acc-m-footbl/acc-broadcast-schedule.html) and they are showing the VA-Clemson game so I guess there is a chance to see the state of NC toilet bowl in HD. (I'm a UNC fan BTW)

UNC fan here too, though it's been tough watching them this year. Maybe we can see bad open field tackles in HD. I'm not counting on it, but it would be sweet.

WRAL has that commercial where it shows the ACC football HD bits, maybe they can use this game for another commerical source. :)

Well, according to titan tv listings - it looks like WRAL is broadcasting the unc game on the analog channel and the sec game of the week (HD) on the digital one. So, probably no HD for the Tar Heels.

Hey everyone....

Well it's been a few months since I've watched any HDTV and I was going through withdrawls. I moved into another townhouse. So now I can mount my antenna properly on the roof. I've been spending the last few weeks trying to fine tune the setup and get the antenna mounted just right.... this is a lot easier when the antenna is on your patio instead of on the roof!!

I'm in North Raleigh off of Six Forks Road. So I'm not that far from the antenna farm. It doesn't appear that I have anything blocking my line of sight to the farm, except some tall trees to the left and right of where I'm pointing. I can get NBC, CBS, and FOX fine with one orientation, but, as usual, can't get ABC at all. If I orient the antenna so that I can sort of pick up ABC, I lose the others.

Question: Are others having issues with ABC? I'm not even going to ask about WB and UPN. I used to get those at my old place. Even though they are SD in a digital format, it looks MUCH better than cable when projected at 95 inches! I tried for a while to get those stations and had absolutely no luck. Did the Sinclair group stop broadcasting all together on their digital station?? As I said, it's been a few months since I've tuned a HD station and I don't know what's changed recently.

I called around to a couple of the satellite places, hoping one of them might have a spectrum analyzer so that I could get someone over to the house and figure out what my problems really are and find the most ideal location for my antennna. They said they were having real problems with abc as well and had a number of their customers calling and complaining about the very same thing. Anyone in North Raleigh that can comment on this???

Does anyone have any idea who I could speak with that would have a spectrum analyzer and could come out for some antenna work??? It's getting to the point that I'm going to have to break down and get the time warner cable box just to get ABC high definition. I'll use the antenna for the other stations..... but it's pretty bad that I have to pay so much extra just to get one station...... grumble grumble grumble :)

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Anyone having trouble with Threat Matrix's audio tonight on the HD channel? Audio is fine during commercials, but currently during TM, I only get hte background music, not the dialog.

I didn't watch much of the show, but flipped to it occasionaly - I noticed the same thing. It was like the center channel was muted.

Originally posted by deArgila
I didn't watch much of the show, but flipped to it occasionaly - I noticed the same thing. It was like the center channel was muted.

Yeah exactly. I got the sound effects like the text displays. the baby crying, the background music, but not a bit of dialog. It was definitely a problem with just the show. Other OTA and sat HD was fine, as were the commercials during Threat Matrix.

Originally posted by LarryNC
Looks like TWC is showing 14 games on WRAZ-HD channel 250
see: http://www.twcnc.com/digital_cable/canes_hdtv.htm


Thanks. It looks like January 20 will be the only conflict with 24. Excellent!

Keefer and DeArgilla: The ABC Channel 11 problem was NOT just Threat matrix, but all HDTV audio from channel 11 I tried to watch over the last two days. After Thursday, I assumed it was just a one shot deal, because DTV was okay, but same thing last night (Bonnie). No way to check during the day. Have either of you reported it? I can take DTV for sitcoms, but this must not happen during Alias!! Or for that matter, Karen Briscoe, probably the best new offering on any network.

I sure hope they fix the audio on ABC'S hd channel. This sux. Had to watch George Lopez on analog lastnight. :( I wonder if this is just WTVD-11's problem or a national network issue? By the way Jbach, that's Karen Sisco. ;)

Has anyone figure out how to change the color of the side bars on the 3250HD? According to the SA web information and other postings in different areas there is supposed to be a setup menu selection for choosing the color but it does not show up on my box. It does seem that the software we have here is different then others. i.e. the setup procedure of pushing the select button and waiting for the message light to blink does not work.

Larry

Daryl L, and I have had the same problem. I really would like to change those side bars to black myself. I have the X1 and when I went from the 3100 to the 3250 I noticed the SD channels seemed to be better. I didn't see any difference in the HD although I didn't do a direct comparison.

I wish someone with the 3250 could post some detailed instructions on how to get the explorer setup working.

Jbach,

I have not reported the problem as I couldn't find contact info on their Web page, save for newsroom contacts. Is it on there somewhere?

Just call the newsroom and ask for engineering, that is the only way to get anyone on the weekend.

RE: WTVD audio. Thanks, guys. There was contact info on the web page, and I sent an email to the engineering dept Saturday morning - which promptly was bounced back as undeliverable. They need to fix that.

Saturday night, seeing the problem still there - my goodness, Toy story was awesome in HDTV - makes me want to buy an HDTV recorder - but still no center channel. I left a voicemail for engineering and then spoke to someone in the news room as a back up.

Whether for this reason or because they found it themselves, it was fixed in time for Alias Sunday night. Whew! I hope they don't take the wrong message from all this - i.e. so few people care about HDTV that it can screw up for 3 days before anyone complains!

I was very upset the Toy Story had no center channel.
I have been looking forward to this for 6 months and then it is unwatchable!!!
Ugggg!!!!
I hope they get their act together for Toy Story 2 next weekend!

The center audio was corrected sometine Sunday. It was wrong Saturday night but was correct Sunday night.

Is our local UPN affiliate going to be broadcasting HD?

I'm betting no, their Sinclair.

Both our WB and UPN are Sinclair? Bleh!

I seriously doubt that our local WB OR UPN will EVER do HD - mind you - I'd love to be shown wrong on this statement.

and Daryl L - that should be "THEY'RE Sinclair"

Ok they're Sinclair. As I wrote my previous post I began to cry about the local Raleigh WB & UPN setup and couldn't think to spell correctly. :)

I am currently using a Samsung TXN2775HF (DV) with the TW 3250HD. After playing around for the last week it seems like 480p is the best for all around viewing, with 1080i the bars on each side are huge and when I stretch it Im losing to much picture….then again this si my first week…

My question is the SETUP WIZARD for the 3250HD doesn’t work on mine either…what benefits will running it have over going into settings and change aspect and output there??? Will it allow you to have different settings for different channels…is that possible…I am just trying to get the best viewing possible but the geek in me is having trouble using 480 when I know better quality can be had on 1080i…thanks for any input…Im really glad this thread is hear…

windmiller,

I'm not sure what or if there is any benifit to accessing the Wizard. Especially since I haven't been able to access it. Probably none over the current options already available the the General Settings. Just curriosity. I have no idea which setting would be best for your Sammy, sorry. I switch mine to 480i while watching standard analog/digital channels and switch to 1080i to what HD channels. I leave it set to widescreen/stretched because with a 480i signal overcomponents my tv allows me to use it's stretch modes. Some tv's lock in full mode with any signal over component inputs, mine doesn't, only with a 1080i signal.

Daryl L,
How would you compare the PQ on SD channels on 1080i and 480i? Are you switching just for the stretch modes, or is the picture better? Have you ever tried 720p output?

I'm asking because I'd like to set to set the box to 1018i or 720p and leave it there for all channels. I have a Sammy DLP, so I don't need to use any stretch modes.

Thanks!

I also don't use any stretching - and, to me, the SD channels are noticeably better using 1080i over component (as opposed to 480i over s-video and coaxial, anyway). I'm still using the SA3100 on a Mits 65"

Originally posted by Bob Michael
Daryl L,
How would you compare the PQ on SD channels on 1080i and 480i? Are you switching just for the stretch modes, or is the picture better? Have you ever tried 720p output?

I'm asking because I'd like to set to set the box to 1018i or 720p and leave it there for all channels. I have a Sammy DLP, so I don't need to use any stretch modes.

Thanks! To be honest, I can't hardly tell any difference between SD channels ouput at 1080i and 480i (big improvement over the 3100hd's SD output at 1080i). The reason I switch is because my tv's stretch looks better than the 3250hd's stretch. If the stretch modes looked the same I would leave it at 1080i.

About 720p, my tv won't accept a 720p signal. When it does I get a blank screen. LOL the cable guy found that out when he brought the box and chose 720p before I could stop him. And since (for some unknown reason)you can't access the HDTV Scan Rate Procedure (http://www.sciatl.com/consumers/cablingPDFs/HDTV%20Scan%20Rate%20Procedure%204004225%20Rev%20A.pdf) on my box and can't see the guide through any other outputs we had to manouver blindly through the guide guessing were the format option was to get out of 720p. :)

I just received my 3500HD. I am in Raleigh, and like some others on this forum, I can't get into the setup wizard, nor can I set the color of the sidebars. This is very annoying. I can set the resolution, but I REALLY want to get change the bars from Grey to Black. If I can't do this I am going to go get my old 3100HD back.
Anyone have a clue as to what should be done.
I assume these boxes are running old software from TW in Raleigh. I am note sure of the exact technical details, but I assume these boxes can download code when the boot up. I am going to call TW tomorrow and see what they have to say...

TWC subscribers in Durham can get the 3250HD box at the kiosk at Southpoint!

I swapped mine out this morning. I did have to call and have it activated. First impressions - HD and SD picture are much improved over the 5100HD. The fellow I talked to there swore the DVI ouput was enabled - I'll check this afternoon and report back.

The very helpful person I talked to at TWC said it would be "3-4 months" before it was available at the Club Blvd location. So go by Southpoint if you'd like one now.

More later!
Bob

Bob,

Does the 3250HD you got have a firewire connector?
Thanks,

Mark,
The 3250HD appears to have a Firewire port on the front, but I do not know if it is activated, and since I have no Firewire equipment, I can't verfiy that. It does have an IR remote input on the back, a pleasant suprise.
Bob

Anyone have the DVI working?

Originally posted by Bob Michael
TWC subscribers in Durham can get the 3250HD box at the kiosk at Southpoint!

I swapped mine out this morning. I did have to call and have it activated. First impressions - HD and SD picture are much improved over the 5100HD. The fellow I talked to there swore the DVI ouput was enabled - I'll check this afternoon and report back.

The very helpful person I talked to at TWC said it would be "3-4 months" before it was available at the Club Blvd location. So go by Southpoint if you'd like one now.

More later!
Bob

Okay. the DVI output is not enabled. Too bad!

Oddly, the on-screen menus ONLY display via component output, as far as I can tell. The box still falls short in upconverting SD material to HD. SD channels via component are inferior to s-video, or even composite output, but are much improved over the 5100HD. Upconverted SD programming on HD channels are quite good, though.

Sidebars are in grey, only a minor annoyance for me since I only use the box for HD (I use the TWC DVR for SD). There seems to be no way to change this.

Although I have a native 720p TV (Samsung HLN507W), I find the HD picture at little better by setting the output to 1080i and letting the TV do the conversion (most HD channels are in native 1080i). But switching to 720p output for 720p broadcasts is better than 1080i.

Bob

Originally posted by Bob Michael
Mark,
The 3250HD appears to have a Firewire port on the front, but I do not know if it is activated, and since I have no Firewire equipment, I can't verfiy that. It does have an IR remote input on the back, a pleasant suprise.
Bob

My apologies, the port on the front is a USB connector, for connection to a "keyboard". Hmmm. No Firewire port.

Originally posted by Bob Michael
My apologies, the port on the front is a USB connector, for connection to a "keyboard". Hmmm. No Firewire port.

Bob,

Thanks for the information. I'm impatiently waiting for the ability to timeshift HD content (besides OTA). Supposedly the cable providers must provide an active firewire connection by 4/1/2004 on their HD receivers. I was hoping they would be nice and do a bit sooner.
Thanks again.