I am too excited about this. I know a lot of you guys want us to add HD Nety and I hear you on that, but for me the two HD Stations I wanted were FX and Fox News, well now we're gettign that and more. I just got this email today:
Wow!!! More HD additions and what’s more…Fox Business Network!!! On December 30, 2008 the following networks will be added to the channel lineup:

Fox News HD – channel 721
FX HD – channel 724
Speed HD – channel 782
Fox Business Network (SD) – channel 313 (Sports and Information Tier)

Enjoy!!!

That's good. Is FBN going to be in HD too or just SD?

I don't think there's much (if any) HD on Fox Business HD. Whenever I've channel surfed by it was always 4:3 SD with a sidebar showing additional information. Not exactly the best choice to fill limited HD capacity, regardless of anyone's particular feelings about Fox as a news source.

I don't think there's much (if any) HD on Fox Business HD. Whenever I've channel surfed by it was always 4:3 SD with a sidebar showing additional information. Not exactly the best choice to fill limited HD capacity, regardless of anyone's particular feelings about Fox as a news source.

But we're not getting the HD channel, only the SD version, according to mallah26's post.

I've got an opportunity to pick up an HD Tivo for cheap. I would love to have this over the SA 8000HD. Yes, I still have the 8000 and not the 8300. But is it worth it for me to pick this up at this point? Will it still work with COX a year from now? I have no idea if COX is going SDV in 2009 and I know the Tivo will not work with that system. Any opinions?

Cox Phoenix announced that they plan to have tuning adapters available in the next couple months, so I don't see any reason why they won't be available in Vegas in time for SDV to go live. That having been said, if I were in your shoes, I'd hold off until Tivo comes out with a tru2way-compliant Tivo since that's where things will be heading in the future. First-generation CableCard devices are a government-mandated hack, and work about as well as most other government programs :rolleyes:. tru2way is something the cable industry is pushing for, so look for it to actually work and be supported by all parties involved. In the meantime, ditching the 8000 for one of the new 8300 or 8240 boxes wouldn't be a bad idea.

What do the newer hd boxes do that my Exporer 3100 doesn't. I have a 720p projector and even though I can get projectors at cost I think my projector has almost as good of a picture than the 1080 p's. Would a new box help me? (Idon't need a box that records)

I don't think there's much (if any) HD on Fox Business HD. Whenever I've channel surfed by it was always 4:3 SD with a sidebar showing additional information. Not exactly the best choice to fill limited HD capacity, regardless of anyone's particular feelings about Fox as a news source.

Your wrong about that. They made a choice to show the picture in 4:3 and put that box on the side. Since it's a business channel they think it is useful to see all that stuff on the side along with the ticker on the bottom. I don't think the picture is SD though just 4x3.

I've got an opportunity to pick up an HD Tivo for cheap. I would love to have this over the SA 8000HD. Yes, I still have the 8000 and not the 8300. But is it worth it for me to pick this up at this point? Will it still work with COX a year from now? I have no idea if COX is going SDV in 2009 and I know the Tivo will not work with that system. Any opinions?

I'd get the TiVo. My parents have two and they love them. With things like technology you can always wait for the next thing, but you'll always wind up waiting.

I am too excited about this. I know a lot of you guys want us to add HD Nety and I hear you on that, but for me the two HD Stations I wanted were FX and Fox News, well now we're gettign that and more. I just got this email today:
Wow!!! More HD additions and what’s more…Fox Business Network!!! On December 30, 2008 the following networks will be added to the channel lineup:

Fox News HD – channel 721
FX HD – channel 724
Speed HD – channel 782
Fox Business Network (SD) – channel 313 (Sports and Information Tier)

Enjoy!!!
Hate to rain on your excitement, but the Cox HD lineup is littered with pseudo HD channels like Bravo, CMT, MTV, VH1, etc which produce little or no HD programming. How many FX programs are actually filmed in HD? Yet another channel broadcasting SD programs wasting valueable bandwidth. HDNet & it's sister HD-Movie are 24 hour HD channels that broadcasts ONLY HD sourced material (using the best quality cameras & control equipment, too.) I don't understand your managment here - mind-bogglingly out of touch with their customers. Based on the small number of posts in this thread and the large number of Satellite dishes I see, I'm guessing most serious HD viewers have given up on Cox & just go to Satellite with it's wide HD offerings. I see Cox's earnings dwindling downward as HD sets get bought.

That's good. Is FBN going to be in HD too or just SD?

Just SD for now.

I've got an opportunity to pick up an HD Tivo for cheap. I would love to have this over the SA 8000HD. Yes, I still have the 8000 and not the 8300. But is it worth it for me to pick this up at this point? Will it still work with COX a year from now? I have no idea if COX is going SDV in 2009 and I know the Tivo will not work with that system. Any opinions?

I agree 100% with Coyoteaz.

What do the newer hd boxes do that my Exporer 3100 doesn't. I have a 720p projector and even though I can get projectors at cost I think my projector has almost as good of a picture than the 1080 p's. Would a new box help me? (Idon't need a box that records)

Im not sure exactly what 3100 box you have, but the 3100 is SD and the 3100HD box only has 1080i output when using component. If you get a 3250HD it will have a DVI output which might be best depending on your projector. Otherwise a 4250HD box will have HDMI and I would get that if your projector supports it. The benefit of these box is they can output different formats such as 480p and 720p, as well as 1080i. Since you have a projector with a native resolution of 720p I would get one of these boxes and try setting the format to fixed 720p. Otherwise I would only unlock the 1080i and 720p formats in the set up wizard and set the picture format to pass-through. If you want the box to auto-stretch to 16:9 than you can also unlock the 480p standard fromat. If using DVI or HDMI make sure your projectors inputs are HDCP compliant. If it has a HDMI port than it most likely is, but DVI is hit or miss.

added on 12-04-08 I should also add that all these boxes have component out if your projector supports it. If your projector's only HD input is VGA there are converters that will change component to VGA, just make sure you don't get a cheap conversion cable, but instead get a little box that has inputs and outputs for component and VGA. They usually reuire power too.

Hate to rain on your excitement, but the Cox HD lineup is littered with pseudo HD channels like Bravo, CMT, MTV, VH1, etc which produce little or no HD programming. How many FX programs are actually filmed in HD? Yet another channel broadcasting SD programs wasting valueable bandwidth. HDNet & it's sister HD-Movie are 24 hour HD channels that broadcasts ONLY HD sourced material (using the best quality cameras & control equipment, too.) I don't understand your managment here - mind-bogglingly out of touch with their customers. Based on the small number of posts in this thread and the large number of Satellite dishes I see, I'm guessing most serious HD viewers have given up on Cox & just go to Satellite with it's wide HD offerings. I see Cox's earnings dwindling downward as HD sets get bought.

I'd rather watch the programming on FX and Fox News than HD Net, but thats just me and millions of other people. HD Net might use high quality cameras but I'd rather watch great shows. We'll get HD Net eventually, however I think you're over estimating it's importance compared to channels like FX, Fox News, and the Speed Channel. I also don't see the logic in you're basing Cox's earnings from forum posts and satellites you see while driving around. Just remember that every satellite you don't see is probably getting services from Cox, and every satellite you see is someone possibly getting phone and broadband, and soon to be cellular, from Cox. What would satellite On-Demand be without Cox broadband anyway? Maybe you prefer Hughes internet?

Your wrong about that. They made a choice to show the picture in 4:3 and put that box on the side. Since it's a business channel they think it is useful to see all that stuff on the side along with the ticker on the bottom. I don't think the picture is SD though just 4x3.
The graphics are definitely HD, but the video must vary by program/location since I've never seen any that looks HD whenever I've flipped by.

Hate to rain on your excitement, but the Cox HD lineup is littered with pseudo HD channels like Bravo, CMT, MTV, VH1, etc which produce little or no HD programming. How many FX programs are actually filmed in HD? Yet another channel broadcasting SD programs wasting valueable bandwidth. HDNet & it's sister HD-Movie are 24 hour HD channels that broadcasts ONLY HD sourced material (using the best quality cameras & control equipment, too.) I don't understand your managment here - mind-bogglingly out of touch with their customers. Based on the small number of posts in this thread and the large number of Satellite dishes I see, I'm guessing most serious HD viewers have given up on Cox & just go to Satellite with it's wide HD offerings. I see Cox's earnings dwindling downward as HD sets get bought.
FX actually has quite a bit of HD. Most of the movies they show are HD, and all their original series, except It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia and The Shield (which had its series finale last night), are HD too. Most of the shows in syndication aren't HD, but that's true of almost every other network. The picture on SD content on the HD channel is much better than on the SD channel, and they don't do any stupid stretch-o-vision like TNT and TBS.

As for HD content on CMT, MTV, and VH1...well, you're right about those. But, those are all Viacom channels, which means that the retransmission agreement was probably due for renewal anyway. Big players like Viacom will often give new channels away for free, or even provide a discount on the big properties if cable companies agree to add certain channels to the lineup.

As for HDNet, yeah they do have 24 hours of spectacular-looking HD a day, but half of that is reruns of Get Out. There really isn't much in the way of new content, especially if you aren't an MMA fan. I always used to be one of the people who was on Cox's case for not carrying HDNet, but now that I have it, I rarely find myself watching it. HDNet Movies does bring in a number of new movies every month, so I think it's actually becoming a better channel.

I guess I'm just a shallow, visually oriented person who loves "Get Out" !!

Seriously, I agree HDNet needs to mix in some new programming. For the new HD TV viewer, it's fun to watch all the great travel shows, re-runs of series in HD that were not originally aired in HD, and their other fun shows. But they need to freshen the line-up to keep those viewers after the honeymoon is over. Especially if they intend to charge a premium for the channel.

Is anybody else NOT receiving their TVGuide data (VBI packets) from PBS (KLVX)? I have not had any updates since Saturday. My email sent Monday to KLVX inquiring as to if they are having any technical problems has not received a response as of yet.

Regards
MK

What's the deal with Howard Stern OnDemand???

When Howard moved to SiriusXM and the idea of HowardTV was created, they stated it was going to be recorded in HD.

Im guessing Cox does not have the bandwidth to support HowardTV in HD? Im sure they are going to charge an arm/leg for it.

I was looking at the OnDemand menu the other day (11/24) and noticed that StarzHD and Showtime HD are listed with a few movies under them. Are these OnDemand choices included with the Starz and Showtime subscription like the regular Starz/Showtime OnDemand? Or is there an extra charge for the HD?

I was looking at the OnDemand menu the other day (11/24) and noticed that StarzHD and Showtime HD are listed with a few movies under them. Are these OnDemand choices included with the Starz and Showtime subscription like the regular Starz/Showtime OnDemand? Or is there an extra charge for the HD?

Looks like they're free if you subscribe to those channels. My guess is that you wouldn't be able to view them if you don't subscribe.

What's the deal with Howard Stern OnDemand???

When Howard moved to SiriusXM and the idea of HowardTV was created, they stated it was going to be recorded in HD.

Im guessing Cox does not have the bandwidth to support HowardTV in HD? Im sure they are going to charge an arm/leg for it.

We have the bandwidth for it since everything On Demand shares the same bandwidth. We also have enough storage for it on our servers. We're probably in negotiations with them since our agreement was for Howard On Demand and not the HD Howard ON Demand, which they probably want us to pay more for. I'll look into it when I get back on Monday.

I was looking at the OnDemand menu the other day (11/24) and noticed that StarzHD and Showtime HD are listed with a few movies under them. Are these OnDemand choices included with the Starz and Showtime subscription like the regular Starz/Showtime OnDemand? Or is there an extra charge for the HD?

There is no extra charge, these movies and shows are included with your subscription to Starz and Showtime as long as you have HD. I've recently been catching up on Dexter Season 3 on Showtime HD. Our HD On-Demand blows our SD On-Demand away. One of them has Casino Royale in HD too (don't remember which one and I'm in the Bay Area right now). Might want to check it out before seeing the new Bond.

I feel like since there haven't been any new posts I might as well make an excuse to post something. Here is the new HD channel line up.
High-definition Programming
699 HD Movies On DEMAND
701 HD PPV
703 NBC HD
705 FOX HD
706 The CW HD
707 TBS HD
708 CBS HD
710 PBS HD
713 ABC HD
718 TNT HD
720 CNN HD
721 Fox News HD New! 12-30-08
724 FX HD New! 12-30-08
723 Nickelodeon HD
725 Discovery Channel HD
726 Lifetime HD
729 Spike TV HD
730 ESPN HD
731 ESPN2 HD
732 A&E HD
733 The Learning Channel HD
734 USA Network HD
735 CNBC HD
737 MTV HD
739 VH1 HD
742 Food Network HD
743 History Channel HD
745 SciFi HD
752 AMC HD New! 12-17-08
753 Bravo HD
755 HGTV HD
757 CMT HD
758 Animal Planet HD
766 Travel Channel HD
767 Versus HD New! 12-08-08
768 National Geographic HD
769 The Science Channel HD
770 Discovery HD Theater
771 Planet Green HD
780 NFL Network HD
781 Golf Channel HD New! 12-08-08
782 Speed Channel HD New! 12-30-08
791 Palladia (Music HD)
792 Universal HD
793 Lifetime Movie Network HD New! 12-17-08
800 HBO HD
810 Cinemax HD
820 Showtime HD
830 Starz HD

Any new news as to when Cox plans on carrying more than one of each of the premium movie channels (HBO,Showtime...)? I've seen the Showtime HD on demand and that's a good start.

Any word if KVBC is going to replace 3.2 formally Weather Plus with anything? It has been a blank screen since Monday, while the PSIP data still shows up. They should give that extra 1.5 Megs to the video of 3.3 in the meantime.

Any new news as to when Cox plans on carrying more than one of each of the premium movie channels (HBO,Showtime...)? I've seen the Showtime HD on demand and that's a good start.


No news as of yet. As soon as I hear something I will post it.

Any word if KVBC is going to replace 3.2 formally Weather Plus with anything? It has been a blank screen since Monday, while the PSIP data still shows up. They should give that extra 1.5 Megs to the video of 3.3 in the meantime.

When NBC first announced they were going to drop the Weather Plus channels one of their excuses was they would use that bandwidth to clear up macro-blocking on the primary NBC channel by increasing the bit rate. Currently, their is no news of them replacing that exact channel number with anything, but they have decided to "replace" Weather Plus with the Universal Sports channel on a different sub channel number. On Cox, with a cable box, Universal Sports is on channel 127.
NBC/Universal decided to drop their Weather Plus services nation wide after buying out The Weather Channel. I assume they felt that keeping the weather plus channels active would hurt The Weather Channel.
There is however still the Fox Weather channel on 125 and on one of the OTA channels.
Heres a link with some info on the matter.
http://www.engadgethd.com/2008/10/14/nbc-replaces-weather-plus-with-universal-sports/

Anyone else with COX lose KVBC just now?

Nevermind...They're back up as of 9:15am

They are back on running a technical diffulculty scroll saying News 3 will be back shortly. Also on the digital side they are showing up as Ch. 2.1 with no PSIP data and no sub-channels as of 9:30 this morning.

Ok i know this is off the topic of HDTV but its just one question to mallah

I just saw that you guys added Disney on demand but when i went to go rent a movie it said i have to order that premium service, but im pretty sure i have all the premium services except sports so whats going on?

Whats happened to Vegggas, the dean of this board? Not only no post here, but absolutely no posts on any of the avs forums since Sept. 08. Vegggas, hope you're well ...let us know.

According to this: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=957956
DirecTv is starting to broadcast PBS in HD. They started the rollout on Dec 3. I didn't read the whole thread, but did a thread search for "Las Vegas" and came up with no results.

Whats happened to Vegggas, the dean of this board? Not only no post here, but absolutely no posts on any of the avs forums since Sept. 08. Vegggas, hope you're well ...let us know.

I'm out of town, working for a living out on the road and glad to have a job ;)
I'm still trying to keep up with the threads, but I usually read through the daily, offline email updates. I'm using my phone to get internet access when I can't get the regular service to work, which is about 50% of the time for either service.
I hope to post regularly in the new year once things normalize!
vegggas

I'm out of town, working for a living out on the road and glad to have a job ;)
I'm still trying to keep up with the threads, but I usually read through the daily, offline email updates. I'm using my phone to get internet access when I can't get the regular service to work, which is about 50% of the time for either service.
I hope to post regularly in the new year once things normalize!
vegggas

Are you watching Cox on your sprint phone from the sa8300HD Volvo??
Whos watching the TV in you bathroom while you are gone? :D

Nice to hear from you Veggggggggas.

As an update, I am no longer with Dish. I will never go back to pay TV, there really is not much worth watching from the providers of Sat/Cable.

I'm strictly OTA, Apple TV and DVDs(from my reon based dvd player).

You using Boxee for the AppleTV?

You using Boxee for the AppleTV?

I tried it and it sucks. Hacking software for the ATV does not utilize the hardware video processor the picture will look choppy or striped.

I tried it and it sucks. Hacking software for the ATV does not utilize the hardware video processor the picture will look choppy or striped.

Actually, that review is for XBMC on the ATV. I just got the boxee invite today so I'll give you the review here pretty soon!

What a nice Xmas present from Boxee.
Looks like this is the future for TV.

According to this: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=957956
DirecTv is starting to broadcast PBS in HD. They started the rollout on Dec 3. I didn't read the whole thread, but did a thread search for "Las Vegas" and came up with no results.

Las Vegas HD locals just transitioned from Spaceway 2 (99s TP1) to the DirecTV 11 (99s TP16 and TP20) satellite. With the extra transponder space on the new satellite test channels for the local PBS, CW, and MNTV HD channels have reportedly been uplinked (according to the folks on DBSTalk that know such things).

There is no guarantee that any of these channels will be turned on anytime soon or at all. However, the space is there, so we can assume that when local receive and uplink facilities are upgraded and contracts are in place they will show up on DirecTV.

OK, I thought I understood all the DTV switch stuff but my parents who use Cable in Kansas have no clue and asked me questions and I realized I don't understand this as well as I thought.

If cable is connected direct to the TV from the wall with no box (using coax), is that signal analog or digital? At my parents (not Cox, small local company that's been around 30+ years) I assume it's analog because an old TV works just fine without a box (I assume it's not digital-ready), but doesn't get all the channels that other TVs gets that are connected through boxes.

If the signal from the wall IS analog, then what is the box doing that lets another TV get more channels? Are some channels digital and need converting? This is the real confuser here...

If a modern TV (as in DTV conversion-ready) is connected straight to an antenna using the standard coax input that it will be able to tune in the signals properly, including the sub-channels (2-1, 2-2, etc...)?

The only analog that is being shut down is broadcast. If you have cable or satellite you don't need to do anything. If your using an antenna to pick up free over the air signals then you need a converter box if you have an old TV.

Yes the modern TV's will be able to tune 2-1, 2-2 whatever. The key is to look in the manual for the TV and see if it says ATSC. That is a digital OTA tuner.

The only analog that is being shut down is broadcast. If you have cable or satellite you don't need to do anything. If your using an antenna to pick up free over the air signals then you need a converter box if you have an old TV.

I understand that. I didn't ask that. I'm trying to help multiple people get though the conversion and am discovering gaps in my understanding that I need filled.

I want (need) to understand about how the cable signals are broadcast and the purpose of the cables boxes.

But thanks for playing...:)

I think the old cable systems send analog through the coax, and the cable box was to simply descramble "pay" stations. That's the way (my understanding, anyway) Cox used to be here back in the day. If you had Basic cable (no extra pay channels, like HBO, etc.), you could hook up straight from the wall into the TV.

Now granted each system is different, but in general it works like this.

Double digit channels are analog and triple digit channels are digital. Now cable boxes can change the assignments of the analog channels and show you a digital channel instead of the analog one. Cox does that here in Las Vegas. The purpose of the cable box is to decrypt digital channels, PPV, VOD, an on screen guide, and a DVR.

that's consistent with what I'm seeing. Thanks

http://consumerist.com/5116811/a-very-simple-flowchart-explaining-the-digital-tv-transition

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/consumerist/2008/12/dtvflowchart.jpg

Ok i know this is off the topic of HDTV but its just one question to mallah

I just saw that you guys added Disney on demand but when i went to go rent a movie it said i have to order that premium service, but im pretty sure i have all the premium services except sports so whats going on?

Sorry for the delayed response. I haven't been on the forums for a few weeks.
The Disney Family Movies on EOD is an EOD only premium service. Much like Wrestling and Howard Stern. The cost for Disney is $6.99 a month. Subscribers will get, unlimited access to over 15 titles each month, two new feature films and extras to choose from every week, 2 titles are refreshed weekly.

Can anyone get channel 3-1 in Las Vegas? Is it transmitting yet? I can get every single digital channel except for this one with my rabbit ear antennas. I even picked up a GE Amplified Quantum Antenna and still cannot get it. I am located in the NW part of Las Vegas in Centennial Hills.

Your not the only one, as I can't get 3.1 OTA either. I think I'm in the shadow of Black Mountain. Check out this graphic from a post several pages back.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=124910&d=1227343951

Regards
MK

If you get 5.1 you should be able to get 3.1 since they are right next to each other on the mountain. I know 3.1 used to be there. I don't know anymore since D* carries the locals on the sat I disconnected my antenna. Also if you are in the shadow of Black Mountain like I am you wouldn't be able to get 8.1 and 13.1.

3.1 is physically broadcast on channel 2. Channel 2 is the worst possible location for a DTV broadcast thanks to a huge amount of impulse noise from common household electronics such as dimmer switches, fluorescent lights, fan motors, compressors, and pumps. In addition, the ideal antenna span for reception of 2 is 102", which is quite a bit longer than most rabbit ears are capable of. The problems aren't limited to home users; both Cox and D* have direct fiber feeds from the station because they are unable to get reliable reception.

I'm getting 3.1 just fine. Right now its the Colts vs Chargers. Good thing they wore opposite colors.

As for me, Boxee is actually pretty cool. I watched the "Nude Bomb" on HULU for free! Then I watched "Cosmos" which I ripped as an ISO on my 1.5 terabyte HD hooked up to a server. The Apple TV is better than a DVR!

Thanks for the Reply about disney on demand Mallah but i have another question i recently searched the web to see if any cox markets are carrying disney or toon disney HD channels and it looks like chicago has toon disney HD

http://www.satellitetv-news.com/cox-dumps-14-new-hd-stations-on-chicago-illinois/

So when can us Las vegas costumers start to see these channels?

Thanks for the Reply about disney on demand Mallah but i have another question i recently searched the web to see if any cox markets are carrying disney or toon disney HD channels and it looks like chicago has toon disney HD

http://www.satellitetv-news.com/cox-dumps-14-new-hd-stations-on-chicago-illinois/

So when can us Las vegas costumers start to see these channels?

I'm afraid the title of that headline is a typo. They meant to say Comcast, not Cox. The article goes on to mention Comcast and nothing about Cox. Cox doesn't have a market in Chicago, or Illinois, and none of our markets are carrying Disney HD...yet. I'm sure an agreement is in the works and as soon as I hear something I'll post it here.

Effective Jan 20 cox is adding E HD (ch 736) and Hallmark Movie (ch 772).

Effective February 10, cox is adding Cartoon Network HD (765) and Comedy Central HD (756)

Hey...you beat me to it. Beginning Tuesday, January 20, 2009 Cox Las Vegas will be adding the following networks.

Style – channel 371 – Variety Tier
TV Compras – Latino Shopping Network from Cox Media – local origination
E! HD – channel 736 (need to have Expanded Basic to receive)
Hallmark Movie Channel – channel 772 (need to have Expanded Basic to receive*)

Haven't heard about February 10th yet but i'll take your word for it.

Don't get too excited about getting Comedy Central HD as it's probably all SD on an HD carrier like most of Viacom.

Don't get too excited about getting Comedy Central HD as it's probably all SD on an HD carrier like most of Viacom.

Would you prefer not having it? I don't get it. People complain we don't have enough HD channels and then when we add them they complain the HD channels don't have enough HD content. Please no posts about HD Net ;)

OK No HDNet then. How about more HBO, MGMHD, or Fox Sports West then? It is hard to get exited about a new HD channel that barely shows any HD content.

OK No HDNet then. How about more HBO, MGMHD, or Fox Sports West then? It is hard to get exited about a new HD channel that barely shows any HD content.

I hear you, but I believe were focusing more on the expanded customers first since those channels will affect more users. If we add HBO HD channels it affects a few thousand customers, if we add Comedy Central HD and E! HD it affects hundreds of thousands of customers. I would like more HBO HD channels too, but I can understand why it's not a top priority. As for MGM HD, thats probably in the same boat as HD Net. If we don't carry it in SD than it will be hard for us to include it in HD. Our whole thing is you buy a package in SD and you can get those same channels in HD for no additional cost (except the equipment). If we don't carry MGM and theres no SD Net (funny, right?) then how can we include it in a package. We can't add them to are movie tier because theirs no sd version and even if there was it would raise the cost of that package beyond what were willing to charge and most people are willing to pay. Besides, i feel the more people have access to these HD channels the more HD content the broadcasters are going to provide.

So what your saying is now in order to get caried on Cox you have to have a SD channel. That doesn't make much sense to me. If it was me in charge of programming I would look for and add channels with real HD content before I added channels with little to no real HD content. But that's just me.

Why won't COX offer a pay tier for HD? I would be willing to pay extra for those channels (MGM HD, Smithsonian, HD NET, etc) instead of paying extra for a sports tier that i only watch a few times a month. Also, you have to pay more for the Spanish tier (which i am sure appeals to a certain set of people), yet i don't hear many complaints from those folks. I doubt COX would hear complaints about a premium HD tier, however they couldn't advertise that you get "free HD" (even though you need to "pay" for expanded cable to get all of their "free" HD)

Just a thought...

Effective Jan 20 cox is adding E HD (ch 736) and Hallmark Movie (ch 772).

Effective February 10, cox is adding Cartoon Network HD (765) and Comedy Central HD (756)

Does Cox have something against sports? What is it going to take to get them to add FSW and Prime Ticket in HD already? They add the MLB Network, but only in SD. All they keep adding are these psuedo-HD channels.

So what your saying is now in order to get caried on Cox you have to have a SD channel. That doesn't make much sense to me. If it was me in charge of programming I would look for and add channels with real HD content before I added channels with little to no real HD content. But that's just me.

It's not just you.

It has a whole lot more to do with timing of carriage agreements than anything else. Carriage agreement with Viacom comes up for renewal so Nick, MTV, VH1, CMT, Spike, and Comedy Central HD get added. Carriage agreement with Fox comes up, FX, Fox News, Fox Business, and Speed get added. Carriage agreement with Disney comes up, Disney, Toon Disney, ABC Family, ESPN U, and ESPNews HD get added. Carriage deal with Comcast comes up and E!, G4, Golf, and Style HD are added. Carriage deal with NBC Universal comes up and USA, SciFi, CNBC, and Bravo HD are added. Obviously Cox is lacking something (capacity?) to add all of the channels in a group when the new agreement is made, but it explains why channels are added in the groups they are rather than in order of when people actually want them added.

As for FSN, I'm not positive on this, but it's likely left out since there are all kinds of weird blackout rules that would be in effect for LV because the various leagues have different rules about the availability of games on terrestrial carriers outside of primary markets. Since LV is claimed as a secondary market for numerous teams in CA, AZ, and who knows where else, there's all kinds of nonsense in play that can affect which games can and can't be shown.

But they know all about the blackouts. They apply to the SD channel as well. If Directv can handle all the blackouts for the entire country in HD I think Cox could do it in the areas that they serve as well. Now I hope Mallah26 doesn't think I'm trying to shoot the messenger here because I appreciate him being around to announce things when they happen. It just makes me shake my head when the new HD channels come around.

Does Cox have something against sports? What is it going to take to get them to add FSW and Prime Ticket in HD already? They add the MLB Network, but only in SD. All they keep adding are these psuedo-HD channels.

If you want sports, there's no beating D* with their extra sports tier. they have all those regionals and many in HD.

As for the amount of national HD channels, I cant be exactly sure now, but Cox may now have more than D* if you dont count locals, ppv, and regional sports. D* has seemed to slowed their addition of new HD national channels over the last several months mainly because they seem to be concentrating on adding as many local channels as they can in various markets that dont have them yet. they have also been busy adding PBS HD to many local markets (although not here yet :( ).

OK, let me introduce myself, l'm Mick, & l'm a Brit,(as it says in my screen name!);), & we started with Cox 2 & 1/2yrs ago when l 1st settled here, & our service/picture/internet were terrible, so we went to Embarq with the internet & Dish network package.(l can get my beloved Brit football/soccer on Fox Soccer Channel & also the BBC news on BBC America)

Now my wife needs her 3,8 & 13 channels for game shows, & we would like the E channels too.(EWAM,ELOVE, EDRAM, EMYST,EACTN,ENCRW,ENCOR)

So pre-transition, & apre-dumping Embarq/Dish,(our contract is nearly finished),what do you guys suggest we get next to provide us with home phone, computer access & TV stations?
They do not have to come as a package, & we don't want anymore contracts as we may be travelling abroad this coming Summer.
Thanks in advance, Mick'n'Dawn Moores.
Craig/Buffalo,

D* has slowed their growth of HD channels because there's not that many more HD channels for them to add. They have 54 of them without the premium movie channels, locals, and sports. Cox has 34. The only three channels Cox has that D* doesn't is Lifetime, Lifetime Movies, and AMC.

OK, let me introduce myself, l'm Mick, & l'm a Brit,(as it says in my screen name!);), & we started with Cox 2 & 1/2yrs ago when l 1st settled here, & our service/picture/internet were terrible, so we went to Embarq with the internet & Dish network package.(l can get my beloved Brit football/soccer on Fox Soccer Channel & also the BBC news on BBC America)

Now my wife needs her 3,8 & 13 channels for game shows, & we would like the E channels too.(EWAM,ELOVE, EDRAM, EMYST,EACTN,ENCRW,ENCOR)

So pre-transition, & apre-dumping Embarq/Dish,(our contract is nearly finished),what do you guys suggest we get next to provide us with home phone, computer access & TV stations?
They do not have to come as a package, & we don't want anymore contracts as we may be travelling abroad this coming Summer.
Thanks in advance, Mick'n'Dawn Moores.
Craig/Buffalo,

If you don't want anymore contracts either stick with what you have or switch back to Cox. With D* there is a two year contract. Although if you talk to them they might be able to put your account on hold for the summer while your away.

From D*'s web site:

If you'd like to temporarily suspend your DIRECTV® Service, you can do so at no cost.

Reasons you might put your service on hold

•Going away on vacation
•You have a second home and only need service for part of the year
•Your financial situation changes
Requirements for putting your service on hold

•Zero balance on your bill
•The new suspend date cannot be more than 6 months from date services initially suspended
•Customers with only 1 account are allowed a maximum of 2 suspend requests every 12 months
•Customers with 2 or more accounts are allowed a maximum of 4 suspend requests per account every 12 months

As far as internet and phone service, I can't really help as I live in Pahrump and the only high speed isp available for me is AT&T DSL.

It's not just you.

Look I'm not speaking on behalf of Cox, I'm just saying why I think we might not carry HD Net, however I could be wrong. I just checked our test stations and two of them are for HD Net and HD Net Movies, so HD Net could very well be a channel we're going to carry. I just don't know how we're going to charge for it. Perhaps make it a Premium channel like HBO.

I wonder what percentage of digital cable users have HD and how many don't. That would make make a difference in figuring out a pricing scheme if that number is slanted one way or the other.

OK, let me introduce myself, l'm Mick, & l'm a Brit,(as it says in my screen name!);), & we started with Cox 2 & 1/2yrs ago when l 1st settled here, & our service/picture/internet were terrible, so we went to Embarq with the internet & Dish network package.(l can get my beloved Brit football/soccer on Fox Soccer Channel & also the BBC news on BBC America)

Now my wife needs her 3,8 & 13 channels for game shows, & we would like the E channels too.(EWAM,ELOVE, EDRAM, EMYST,EACTN,ENCRW,ENCOR)

So pre-transition, & apre-dumping Embarq/Dish,(our contract is nearly finished),what do you guys suggest we get next to provide us with home phone, computer access & TV stations?
They do not have to come as a package, & we don't want anymore contracts as we may be travelling abroad this coming Summer.
Thanks in advance, Mick'n'Dawn Moores.
Craig/Buffalo,

Uh, I might be a little biased here, but I would recommend switching back to Cox. Cox doesn't have any contracts for phone, internet, or cable service. We have all of the local channels (3, 5, 8, 13,etc) in HD and carry the Encore channels in our Movie Tier which also includes the Sundance Film Channel, Independent Film Channel, and Lifetime Movie Channel. A few of these channels also have free movies available On Demand when you subscribe.
We also provide a "seasonal saver" for when folks are on vacation as well as a Dish Winback promotion for new customers switching from satellite to Cox.
As for your history with us, I apologize that our service has not been up to par, but I know that we can fix that for you. We've probably even upgraded your area during the time you were with satellite and I know we'll work tirelessly to get things working to your satisfaction.
Despite your poor experience with us in the past it sounds like were the perfect fit for what you require. Please give us another chance to impress you. If any of this interests you than please give us a call at 383-4000 and talk to sales about what we can offer you. Ask about the Dish Winback promotion. If you have any more questions you can always find me in the forums or send me a private message.

I wonder what percentage of digital cable users have HD and how many don't. That would make make a difference in figuring out a pricing scheme if that number is slanted one way or the other.

It's not about the percentage that uses HD, which is constantly growing. It's more about the percentage of people that carry certain packages. I would imagine that if we add these channels they will be a premium channel package, that way we can keep our "free hd" angle and still satisfy users that want HD Net. This would also allow us to set up a fee based on HD Nets "per subscriber" fee to us. Then again I don't know if we're adding them, but it is a little weird they are on a test channel. Currently the test channels have no video though, just an icon that says HD Net and HD Net Movies, but thats closer than we were yesterday and shows promise.

Look I'm not speaking on behalf of Cox, I'm just saying why I think we might not carry HD Net, however I could be wrong. I just checked our test stations and two of them are for HD Net and HD Net Movies, so HD Net could very well be a channel we're going to carry. I just don't know how we're going to charge for it. Perhaps make it a Premium channel like HBO.
From what vegggas has said in the past, the HDNets get added every year as test channels for use at CES which is coming up later this week.

Uh, I might be a little biased here, but I would recommend switching back to Cox. Cox doesn't have any contracts for phone, internet, or cable service. We have all of the local channels (3, 5, 8, 13,etc) in HD and carry the Encore channels in our Movie Tier which also includes the Sundance Film Channel, Independent Film Channel, and Lifetime Movie Channel. A few of these channels also have free movies available On Demand when you subscribe.
We also provide a "seasonal saver" for when folks are on vacation as well as a Dish Winback promotion for new customers switching from satellite to Cox.
As for your history with us, I apologize that our service has not been up to par, but I know that we can fix that for you. We've probably even upgraded your area during the time you were with satellite and I know we'll work tirelessly to get things working to your satisfaction.
Despite your poor experience with us in the past it sounds like were the perfect fit for what you require. Please give us another chance to impress you. If any of this interests you than please give us a call at 383-4000 and talk to sales about what we can offer you. Ask about the Dish Winback promotion. If you have any more questions you can always find me in the forums or send me a private message.
I phoned them & a basic price for phone/tv/internet is $83 a month for 'maybe' 12 months, & the soccer & BBC channels add another $19, bringing it to $102 + tax.
Is this a deal, or am I better using a different phone & internet provider?

From what vegggas has said in the past, the HDNets get added every year as test channels for use at CES which is coming up later this week.

I was going to mention the same thing.

Cartoon network HD? Really? What cartoons today are done in HD. Even Adult Swim wont stand to benefit from it.

Star Wars: The Clone Wars on CN, recent seasons of South Park have been done in HD (though only through Xbox downloads since Comedy Central didn't have an HD channel), many of the newer toons on Nick and Disney, and most of the morning PBS shows are HD. That's just off the top of my head.

If you get 5.1 you should be able to get 3.1 since they are right next to each other on the mountain. I know 3.1 used to be there. I don't know anymore since D* carries the locals on the sat I disconnected my antenna. Also if you are in the shadow of Black Mountain like I am you wouldn't be able to get 8.1 and 13.1.

Yeah that is what is puzzling. They are both 130° and 24.7 miles from me.

3.1 is physically broadcast on channel 2. Channel 2 is the worst possible location for a DTV broadcast thanks to a huge amount of impulse noise from common household electronics such as dimmer switches, fluorescent lights, fan motors, compressors, and pumps. In addition, the ideal antenna span for reception of 2 is 102", which is quite a bit longer than most rabbit ears are capable of. The problems aren't limited to home users; both Cox and D* have direct fiber feeds from the station because they are unable to get reliable reception.

Yeech, I don't think I get away with a 102" antenna. I might try a wineguard antenna that attaches to a satellite.

So what your saying is now in order to get caried on Cox you have to have a SD channel. That doesn't make much sense to me. If it was me in charge of programming I would look for and add channels with real HD content before I added channels with little to no real HD content. But that's just me.
Amen, Bro.

Too many HD channels with NO HD content.

Amen, Bro.

Too many HD channels with NO HD content.

even so, and I've said this before, even the sd content looks better on a hd channel as compared to its sd channel #, at least to me.

even so, and I've said this before, even the sd content looks better on a hd channel as compared to its sd channel #, at least to me.

That depends on what the channel does with the aspect ratio. I don't think it looks better when they stretch everything.

Exactly...you beat me to it.

I'm having trouble with the local digital channels through Cox. Sometimes they show up fine other times they're a blocky mess. It happens on both TVs I watch them on. The main line is going through a 3 way splitter. I don't have an antenna to try; just wondering if anyone else is having this problem?

Anyone having issues with FOX 5 OTA today and via DISH? trying to watch the Giants/Eagles game, and its unwatchable. Signal lost very 5 seconds!!

Anyone having issues with FOX 5 OTA today and via DISH? trying to watch the Giants/Eagles game, and its unwatchable. Signal lost very 5 seconds!!

I can't watch the HD feed on D*TV either. They've suggested watching 388 or 389. I'm not subscribed to 388, but 389 has an SD feed. So its old school for me right now.

same here OTA

Well, NONE of the feeds on DISH are working. neither OTA or the SD feed. This kinda sucks, to put it mildly.

Win

DISH just put up a message on 9033, the local SD feed, saying DO NOT call us, we know the signal is gone, we are working on it.

Win

Speaking of FOX, I've noticed lately that their footbal broadcasts always seem to have the audio out of sync with the video. Their regular programing doesn't have this problem. I have D* and just wondered if this is something that also occurs on Cox and/or OTA.

seems back and good

Does anyone know if Cox Cable has gone to SDV(switched digital video) in Las Vegas?

If so, does it work with TiVo's HD XL box? I.e. get all the channels. Do you need to use their USB dongel/adapter?

Thx...

No Cox hasn't implemented SDV here in Las Vegas yet. I'm sure you will hear about it in this thread when they do. You will need the USB dongel/adapter thing for it to work when they do.

Thanks LVThunder, I guess I'll hold off on my TiVo purchase until they come out with a new model that intergrates SDV support.

I don't think you should. Especially if you use Netflix and have high speed internet. In my opinion TiVo is the best DVR on the market. I know it blows the SA and D* DVR's out of the water. The USB dongle works so there is no downside now.

I'm having trouble with the local digital channels through Cox. Sometimes they show up fine other times they're a blocky mess. It happens on both TVs I watch them on. The main line is going through a 3 way splitter. I don't have an antenna to try; just wondering if anyone else is having this problem?

It sounds like you have ingress, caused by a leak in the cable from a loose connection or a damaged insulation. What's happening is the OTA signal is bleeding into your cable and affecting the local channels. On analog tv it would cause ghosting and snowy pic but with digital you'll get tiling and/or black screen. I would make sure all connections are lose and tight, especially on the splitter. If possible replace the splitter. Otherwise please call us at 383-4000, let them know what troubleshooting you've done and that you'd like a tech out to your home.

I don't think you should. Especially if you use Netflix and have high speed internet. In my opinion TiVo is the best DVR on the market. I know it blows the SA and D* DVR's out of the water. The USB dongle works so there is no downside now.

One downside is that it won't work with on demand or PPV packages for sports. Any native SDV TiVo DVR will more than likely be Tru2Way compatible and will work with these features. If these are features you want than I''d wait. Also if you have an XBOX 360, a Live Gold Account, and Netflix it's best to use that for Netflix video streaming. The quality is much better than with the TiVo, or so I've read. However, the Cox On Demand HD quality is even better than that, just fewer options.

One downside is that it won't work with on demand or PPV packages for sports. Any native SDV TiVo DVR will more than likely be Tru2Way compatible and will work with these features. If these are features you want than I''d wait. Also if you have an XBOX 360, a Live Gold Account, and Netflix it's best to use that for Netflix video streaming. The quality is much better than with the TiVo, or so I've read. However, the Cox On Demand HD quality is even better than that, just fewer options.

I really don't care about On Demand and Pay for View, although COX often does have some pretty good movies in the On Demand "FreeZone."

Actually streaming NetFlix on the XL was something I was looking forward to, could you give a link to the forum where you read about the poor NetFlix quality on TiVo machines?

If that is the case I could just buy their $99 box and wait on the new TiVo box.

I have a TiVo HD XL and I've watched quite a few standard definition (SD) videos from Netflix "watch instantly" and I have never noticed a problem with the quality of the streamed video. The quality seems comparable to Cox SD video on demand. I have only watched one Netflix streamed movie that was available in HD, and it looked good, although not as good as a Bluray disc at 1080p.

I need to know if I'm crazy or not -

Has Cox's HD signal gotten softer over the last month or two?

When I first got Cox HD in 2007, it was quite sharp. But lately I've been watching network shows -- 30 Rocks, The Office, etc. -- and while it's still HD, I'm not seeing the pores in people's faces the way I used to. It just doesn't have the sharpness or definition I remember.

Or am I just imagining things?

Anyone else?

Is anyone else from Las Vegas having problems with channel 708 HD breaking up? It was real bad during the football game on Sunday. Then last night on Criminal Minds. :( It seems to be doing this off & on over the last couple of months.

LasVegasWilly

"Or am I just imagining things?"

You might just be getting use to it. I bought a brand new Samsung 52" TV in the middle of October. I was blown away by the great picture on the TV & the HD programming! Plus the size of the new TV. Now 3 months later, the TV does not seem to be as big as it once was, nor the HD quite as sharp. :confused:

I think the reason is that I'm just use to it now. :)

LasVegasWilly

I have a TiVo HD XL and I've watched quite a few standard definition (SD) videos from Netflix "watch instantly" and I have never noticed a problem with the quality of the streamed video. The quality seems comparable to Cox SD video on demand. I have only watched one Netflix streamed movie that was available in HD, and it looked good, although not as good as a Bluray disc at 1080p.


Thanks Erik... some more food-4-thought.

Question for Mallah:

How many HD channels is cox squeezing on a QAM channel? If it's more than 2, then the quality is suffering. I'm surprised they are able to add more HD channels without using SDV.

So I heard that Las Vegas NBC will be sticking with a VHF-Low feed even after the Feb 17 changeover. Is that correct? If so, i'll probably need to add a VHF antenna in my attic, as the UHF I currently have really struggles to pick up NBC.

Is there a way to adapt my UHF antenna to pick up a channel 2? Or, if I buy VHF uni-directional antenna, how do I link it with my UHF on the same coax cable?

Question for Mallah:

How many HD channels is cox squeezing on a QAM channel? If it's more than 2, then the quality is suffering. I'm surprised they are able to add more HD channels without using SDV.

I was just wondering what channels do they have on QAM? I was just wondering i was thinking of going to buy a tuner.

The only channels that are "in the clear" are the local channels. To receive all other QAM digital channels requires a Cox STB or a tuner with Cable Card capability.

I really don't care about On Demand and Pay for View, although COX often does have some pretty good movies in the On Demand "FreeZone."

Actually streaming NetFlix on the XL was something I was looking forward to, could you give a link to the forum where you read about the poor NetFlix quality on TiVo machines?

If that is the case I could just buy their $99 box and wait on the new TiVo box.

I'll have to apologize for my earlier comment. The TiVo was actually reviewed as the best way to view it and it was the Roku media box that is the worst. The Xbox and Bluray players from Samsung and LG also got pretty good reviews. This is not the article I read a couple months ago, but this is the best and most up-to-date article I could find on it when looking http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/19/do-not-time-netflix-hd-streaming-shootout/ Hope this helps you with your decision. Sorry for my error, although I think I was correct in what a read a few months ago but some updates to TiVo/servers may have changed all that.

Question for Mallah:

How many HD channels is cox squeezing on a QAM channel? If it's more than 2, then the quality is suffering. I'm surprised they are able to add more HD channels without using SDV.

There are three but only with certain channels that are sent to us using our fiber network from Atlanta. The local channels should not be affected.

Is anyone else from Las Vegas having problems with channel 708 HD breaking up? It was real bad during the football game on Sunday. Then last night on Criminal Minds. :( It seems to be doing this off & on over the last couple of months.

LasVegasWilly

I would check for loose connections at the wall, splitter (if you have one), and box or tv. It sounds like you may be getting ingress. If you're using Cox cable you might want to call it in to have a technician come out if this troubleshooting doesn't help.

The only channels that are "in the clear" are the local channels. To receive all other QAM digital channels requires a Cox STB or a tuner with Cable Card capability.

I didn't see this before my earlier response, but you are partially correct. Although the local channels are definately not affected other national stattions are not as well. Unfortunately I dont have a list of which channels are affected and which ones arent. One theoretical way to find out would be to record an hour from each HD channel and see how much space it takes up on your DVR (will show percentage only). The more space it uses up the higher the bit rate of that channel. Unfortunately this is not exact because for all I knwo the DVR will record at the same bit rate no matter what comes in and we use variable bit rate on our signal so the amount of movement, colors, etc. will play a role as well. Either way we tried to provide the best picture possible while adding channels with the limited bandwidth we have. There are a lot of up and coming technologies that will resolve this issue for good, but they may take some time.

I didn't see this before my earlier response, but you are partially correct. Although the local channels are definately not affected other national stattions are not as well. Unfortunately I dont have a list of which channels are affected and which ones arent. One theoretical way to find out would be to record an hour from each HD channel and see how much space it takes up on your DVR (will show percentage only). The more space it uses up the higher the bit rate of that channel. Unfortunately this is not exact because for all I knwo the DVR will record at the same bit rate no matter what comes in and we use variable bit rate on our signal so the amount of movement, colors, etc. will play a role as well. Either way we tried to provide the best picture possible while adding channels with the limited bandwidth we have. There are a lot of up and coming technologies that will resolve this issue for good, but they may take some time.

What channels other than just local come in?

Cox just added E-HD & Hallmark Movie-HD - both with ZERO HD content. So we now waste precious bandwidth on CMT, VH1, MTV, E, HMC, & Bravo all with little or no HD programming. But 30 cents/sub for the all-HD HDNet is too high a price to pay. Thankfully we're only here for a couple more months. If we moved here permanently we'd do Sat.

I noticed that the new episode of Real World was in glorious HD on MTV-HD last night. But other than that....nothing. I was very surprised that MTV-HD's broadcast of the youth inaugural ball was not in HD. Yet, Fox News Channel was there interviewing Kid Rock...and their broadcast was in HD. It makes no sense...

I'll have to apologize for my earlier comment. The TiVo was actually reviewed as the best way to view it and it was the Roku media box that is the worst. The Xbox and Bluray players from Samsung and LG also got pretty good reviews. This is not the article I read a couple months ago, but this is the best and most up-to-date article I could find on it when looking http://www.engadget.com/2009/01/19/do-not-time-netflix-hd-streaming-shootout/ Hope this helps you with your decision. Sorry for my error, although I think I was correct in what a read a few months ago but some updates to TiVo/servers may have changed all that.

I am not sure where the article was..., but I read the same one. The reviewer claimed the best unit for streaming from NetFlix was the Xbox.

I can tell you from my personal experience, if you have a "fast" internet connection (6mbps or higher) that the quality is very good indeed. When I first setup the Netflix streaming I was using DSL at 1.5mbps and the quality was horrible. After upgrading to a cable modem that does from 6 to 22 mbps the jump in quality was amazing.... of course it also helps to select from the list of HD movies when you stream.

Now if NetFlix could just more recent movies available on the Watch Now!

I noticed that the new episode of Real World was in glorious HD on MTV-HD last night. But other than that....nothing. I was very surprised that MTV-HD's broadcast of the youth inaugural ball was not in HD. Yet, Fox News Channel was there interviewing Kid Rock...and their broadcast was in HD. It makes no sense...

Cribs also airs in HD

What channels other than just local come in?

The only channels that come in on a Clear QAM tv tuner without a cable card are local channels, I was answering about the channels that are and aren't affected by our new compression methods to fit more HD channels over the same bandwidth.

Cox just added E-HD & Hallmark Movie-HD - both with ZERO HD content. So we now waste precious bandwidth on CMT, VH1, MTV, E, HMC, & Bravo all with little or no HD programming. But 30 cents/sub for the all-HD HDNet is too high a price to pay. Thankfully we're only here for a couple more months. If we moved here permanently we'd do Sat.

1.) They have HD content, and will be adding more over time. Because we added these channels it makes it worth advertisers to pay to advertise on HD stations, which gives the TV studios more money, which means they can spend it on HD programming, which means more HD programming on those channels. There are many reasons we chose these channels over HD Net and I've explained it to you over and over again. If you want the channels please call in and request them, that goes for everyone reading this. If enough people demand it we will supply it.
2.) It's not 30 cents a sub and HD Net programming sucks if you ask me. I've checked TV Guides in other markets to see whats airing on HD Net and I'm not impressed. Who the hell wants to see Hogan's heroes in HD 30 times a day.
3.) Did you ever call in to request the channel like I recommended? After all, complaining on a forum won't get the channels added. How about calling in and requesting it?

I would check for loose connections at the wall, splitter (if you have one), and box or tv. It sounds like you may be getting ingress. If you're using Cox cable you might want to call it in to have a technician come out if this troubleshooting doesn't help.

I did call tech support. They told me that they had quite a few complaints during the football game & have been having problems with 708HD breaking up for a while now. The last week or so it has not been bad. So, hopefully they will have it fixed shortly.

LasVegasWilly

1.) They have HD content, and will be adding more over time. Because we added these channels it makes it worth advertisers to pay to advertise on HD stations, which gives the TV studios more money, which means they can spend it on HD programming, which means more HD programming on those channels. There are many reasons we chose these channels over HD Net and I've explained it to you over and over again. If you want the channels please call in and request them, that goes for everyone reading this. If enough people demand it we will supply it.
2.) It's not 30 cents a sub and HD Net programming sucks if you ask me. I've checked TV Guides in other markets to see whats airing on HD Net and I'm not impressed. Who the hell wants to see Hogan's heroes in HD 30 times a day.
3.) Did you ever call in to request the channel like I recommended? After all, complaining on a forum won't get the channels added. How about calling in and requesting it?
Mallah, here's what I've done:

- Telephoned & email exchanged with Cox Corporate. Helpful person there & she already gets HDNet because she lives in non-cox area.

- Email exchanged with Mr. Brennan back in Aug-Sept & he said it may be added as a premium tier.

- Completed channel request form on Cox LV website

- Email exchanged with Mark Cuban - that's how I know the offer was 30 cents per sub. Not sure if that included HD Movies or not, or if that price offer still stands.

- HDNET has some interesting original programming - including a couple great news shows: World report & Dan Rather - both covering topics you don't see on mainstream channels. The Sunday concerts are excellent and all in HD. Yes there are some re-runs, but they are of shows that were made in HD and often not originally aired in HD - Like Smallville - which especially benefits from HD. They also have other original shows that I happened to like. In reading the blogs elsewhere, it is a favorite of those who can get it. Those who don't get the channel are in no position to critique it. No channel has everything that everyone wants, but I usually watched more programs on it per week than on any other individual channel. Using your arguement, if Cox would pick up the channel, that would provide more revenue for them to create more original programming, as well.

1.) I've checked TV Guides in other markets to see whats airing on HD Net and I'm not impressed. Who the hell wants to see Hogan's heroes in HD 30 times a day.


When was the last time you even checked the schedule? Two years ago? If you would have actually looked at the schedule, you would see that Hogan's Heroes isn't even on it. I love it when people over exaggerate to try and make a point. I understand you want to back up decisions made by COX, since they provide you with a paycheck, but I suggest you back up those points with FACT, not fallacy. :rolleyes:

Mallah, here's what I've done:

- Telephoned & email exchanged with Cox Corporate. Helpful person there & she already gets HDNet because she lives in non-cox area.

- Email exchanged with Mr. Brennan back in Aug-Sept & he said it may be added as a premium tier.

- Completed channel request form on Cox LV website

- Email exchanged with Mark Cuban - that's how I know the offer was 30 cents per sub. Not sure if that included HD Movies or not, or if that price offer still stands.

- HDNET has some interesting original programming - including a couple great news shows: World report & Dan Rather - both covering topics you don't see on mainstream channels. The Sunday concerts are excellent and all in HD. Yes there are some re-runs, but they are of shows that were made in HD and often not originally aired in HD - Like Smallville - which especially benefits from HD. They also have other original shows that I happened to like. In reading the blogs elsewhere, it is a favorite of those who can get it. Those who don't get the channel are in no position to critique it. No channel has everything that everyone wants, but I usually watched more programs on it per week than on any other individual channel. Using your arguement, if Cox would pick up the channel, that would provide more revenue for them to create more original programming, as well.


Is that 30 cents per sub that subscribes to HD Net, or 30 cents for every sub we have? If it's for every sub we have than it's not worth it.

When was the last time you even checked the schedule? Two years ago? If you would have actually looked at the schedule, you would see that Hogan's Heroes isn't even on it. I love it when people over exaggerate to try and make a point. I understand you want to back up decisions made by COX, since they provide you with a paycheck, but I suggest you back up those points with FACT, not fallacy. :rolleyes:

I checked it last month. How about we all use fact rather than assume? I don't back up every decision Cox makes, but I also don't care about HD Net as a consumer. Cox pays me for doing my job, expressing my opinion on this sight is not my job and I'm not paid for it. Oh, and you're right, it looks like this month they've replaced Hogan's Heroes with episodes of JAG. Woopdie Doo! BTW, in case you ever doubted me: http://www.hd.net/series_classics.html

I'd rather watch the programming on FX and Fox News than HD Net, but thats just me and millions of other people. HD Net might use high quality cameras but I'd rather watch great shows. We'll get HD Net eventually, however I think you're over estimating it's importance compared to channels like FX, Fox News, and the Speed Channel. I also don't see the logic in you're basing Cox's earnings from forum posts and satellites you see while driving around. Just remember that every satellite you don't see is probably getting services from Cox, and every satellite you see is someone possibly getting phone and broadband, and soon to be cellular, from Cox. What would satellite On-Demand be without Cox broadband anyway? Maybe you prefer Hughes internet?
Mallah: You started it pal. Above is your message from Nov 26 where you included "Millions of other people" with your preference of FX-HD over HDnet. Very factual of you! .

I thought you might be a voice of reason on this board but you seem to lose all objectivity when it comes to this topic.

Hey Mallah do you know what percentage of Cox's subs have HD? I think it would be interesting to know if HD is 5% or 50%. I think that would make a difference in these conversations.

I checked it last month. How about we all use fact rather than assume? I don't back up every decision Cox makes, but I also don't care about HD Net as a consumer. Cox pays me for doing my job, expressing my opinion on this sight is not my job and I'm not paid for it. Oh, and you're right, it looks like this month they've replaced Hogan's Heroes with episodes of JAG. Woopdie Doo! BTW, in case you ever doubted me: http://www.hd.net/series_classics.html

Yes, I know Hogan's Heroes was aired on HDNet (looked damn good too). I have had the channel via E* for years. But the FACTS are it was broadcast ONCE a day, with a different episode every day, in 1080i, and looked spectacular. It wasn't broadcast 30 times a week, let alone "a day". Hence, my comment on "over exaggeration".

The whole point of this is that "informed" consumers are getting sick and tired of these pseudo-HD channels and want REAL HD. The few recent additions on COX have showed little or no HD content since they've been added. And these broadcasters don't seem to be in any kind of a hurry to roll out more HD content anytime soon. It just boggles my mind when these so-called HD channels air programming, that is readily available in HD, in upconverted and stretched SD. What's the point of these networks starting up an "HD channel", and then providing hardly anything in HD? Obviously, they must think that the general public is too stupid to notice, and they're probably right.

yes, i know hogan's heroes was aired on hdnet (looked damn good too). I have had the channel via e* for years. But the facts are it was broadcast once a day, with a different episode every day, in 1080i, and looked spectacular. It wasn't broadcast 30 times a week, let alone "a day". Hence, my comment on "over exaggeration".

The whole point of this is that "informed" consumers are getting sick and tired of these pseudo-hd channels and want real hd. The few recent additions on cox have showed little or no hd content since they've been added. And these broadcasters don't seem to be in any kind of a hurry to roll out more hd content anytime soon. It just boggles my mind when these so-called hd channels air programming, that is readily available in hd, in upconverted and stretched sd. What's the point of these networks starting up an "hd channel", and then providing hardly anything in hd? Obviously, they must think that the general public is too stupid to notice, and they're probably right.


agreed!

COX 2009 RATE INCREASES Beginning in March.

2009 Rate Update
Monthly Cable Services OLD RATES NEW RATES† DIFFERENCE
Cox Limited Basic $11.50 $13.00 $1.50
Cox Expanded Service $36.45 $37.95 $1.50
Total Preferred Basic Package $47.95 $50.95 $3.00

Digital Gateway $5.50 $6.50 $1.00
Digital Cable Level 1 $9.45 $10.45 $1.00
Digital Cable Level 2 $11.45 $12.45 $1.00
Digital Cable Level 3 $13.45 $14.45 $1.00
Paquete Latino $3.00 $4.00 $1.00

Premium Channels OLD RATES NEW RATES† DIFFERENCE
HBO $12.95 $13.95 $1.00
Showtime $12.95 $13.95 $1.00
Cinemax $11.95 $13.95 $2.00
Starz $11.95 $13.95 $2.00
2 Premium Services $20.50 $22.50 $2.00
3 Premium Services $26.50 $29.50 $3.00
4 Premium Services $33.50 $37.50 $4.00

The % increase is quite high - especially in light of the economy and impending deflation. They also should not be handing out raises in this environment.

So is it just TV going up or are they upping the price on cable modems too?

So is it just TV going up or are they upping the price on cable modems too?
They didn't list any increases for ISP services. There were a few other items relating to phone use.

CSAP .57-$1.99 $2.99 $1.00-$2.42
Non-Published Listing $2.50 $3.25 .75

Pay-Per-Use Telephone Features OLD RATES NEW RATES† DIFFERENCE
Busy Line Redial (*66) $1.25 $1.45 .20
Call Return (*69) $1.25 $1.45 .20
Call Trace (*57) $1.25 $1.45 .20
Three-Way Calling (*71) $1.25 $1.45 .20

D* just annouced a price increase too effective March 4. $3/month. choice package now 55.99 w/locals

Does anyone know what's wrong with PBS-HD (710 on Cox) for the last two days?

The HD channel seems to be broadcasting the content of the SD channel. And it's in ANYTHING BUT HD. And the SD channel (10), is broadcasting a picture that is suddenly too large for the standard SD screen, plus the audio is out of sync with the video on all programs.

Yes, KLVX has a new setup:

10-1: Rebroadcast zoomed (SD)
10-2: Create (SD)
10-3: V-Me (SD) (En Espanol!)

PBS-HD has been cut from the lineup. Channel guides haven't changed to reflect that. If they're going to cut HD, then they should make 10-1 a proper SD channel and add additional multiplexes to add Jackpot or WorldView or something.

Word Maestro, since you and I are both using OTA, do you see bouts of jitteryness on the Sinclair-owned B-list networks (MYtv and CW)? I see it frequently and it's annoying. I figure they get away with it (along with forgetting to turn on HD for SmackDown on MY and some primetime programs for CW) simply because these stations are so rarely watched by the majority of the public. Our household winds up watching them a lot for syndicated reruns of Two & A Half Men, SmackDown, 90210, etc. Everything always has this jitteryness. At first I thought it was my HDHomeRun but then I got a converter box for an older TV upstairs and saw the same thing.

Call and complain about the zoomed picture on KLVX. The PBS-HD feed ended on 12/21 and they'd been airing the national PBS feed in its place since then; it only makes sense that they'd shuffle the lineup to get rid of it. They might be doing what the network stations do in showing the HD "when available" and zooming the rest, but this is a really bad idea.

What does it look like on satellite?

- Trip

Upon looking at it, that is indeed what they're doing. There's some PBS Previews show on right now and it's in HD.

I suspect they're still playing around with things. I don't think zoom will stay, since a large number of their audience (think schools, for instance) will be using analogue converter boxes with old TVs. The appropriate thing to do, of course, is to show 4:3 content windowboxed with the signal so that converter boxes know when to lock to windowbox and when to display letterbox, but I don't have that hope since my converter box's "use program settings" option often shows 4:3 stuff in a little box in the middle of the screen.

I have been receiving PBS-HD through Cox Cable on channel 710. In general, I have been very pleased, both with content and quality. It was the only refuge for a lover of good music in this city. They showed both orchestral concerts and the Metropolitan Opera in true HD. I'm sure the suspension and cessation of high quality viewing on PBS was stopped because of economic circumstances. But in this day and age when the public is demanding MORE high quality programming in HD, they remove the one station in this culturally barren city that provided any pleasure at all. I had been planning a complete switch to Direct TV. But was deterred from doing so because D*did NOT carry PBS in HD in Las Vegas, while it was available on Cox. Now, that deterrance has been removed. Goodbye Cox, hello Direct TV.

So is it just PBS dropping HD or just PBS here in Las Vegas? I haven't heard anything about this.

So is it just PBS dropping HD or just PBS here in Las Vegas? I haven't heard anything about this.

It's ONLY here in Las Vegas,

KLVX is apparently telling Las Vegans, what Pres Gerald Ford once said to NYC.

He said "Drop Dead".

So is it just PBS dropping HD or just PBS here in Las Vegas? I haven't heard anything about this.

HD isn't being dropped, the 24/7 PBS-HD feed ended on December 21. It was replaced with a national schedule which includes large quantities of upconverted SD and largely duplicates local station schedules, so most stations have now dropped it. They now do the "HD when available" thing the other networks do.

- Trip

For some reason when I moved and setup my TiVo again with Cox ESPN2HD (731) shows up as CXLVEHD. Any ideas?

For some reason when I moved and setup my TiVo again with Cox ESPN2HD (731) shows up as CXLVEHD. Any ideas?

Been like that for a while now, and on a few channels (TBS also). No idea why.

So I call Cox last night to see if they were having an internet outage. The rep says he cant tell me because the account is under my wifes name I give him her ss# and he still wont tell me if there is an outage and then hangs up on me. I'm livid I pay over $150 a month and I get treated like this, been with them since 1978. It is time to look elsewhere for my service

The White House wants your opinion on The DTV Delay ACT Bill
President Obama wants to hear what the public has to say, you can comment here

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing_room/dtv_delay_act/

So should we be expecting Cartoon Network and Comedy Central HD this tuesday?

So should we be expecting Cartoon Network and Comedy Central HD this tuesday?

Yes.

So I call Cox last night to see if they were having an internet outage. The rep says he cant tell me because the account is under my wifes name I give him her ss# and he still wont tell me if there is an outage and then hangs up on me. I'm livid I pay over $150 a month and I get treated like this, been with them since 1978. It is time to look elsewhere for my service

I've had a very similar problems with cox lately (been a customer for the last 6 years) but I'm not going to go on a I hate cox rant.
But I'm thinking of switching to DIRECTV because a few of my friends have it.

I've been lurking around here and I'm having a hard time deciding. The only downside I see is no "ondemand" programing like I'm used to with cox but then again I hardly use that. But on the plus side is all that HD content!!

Should I pull the trigger? Anyone switch from cable to satellite and regret it?

Directv does have Video on Demand if you have a high speed internet connection. It just downloads the programs from the internet.

I've had a very similar problems with cox lately (been a customer for the last 6 years) but I'm not going to go on a I hate cox rant.
But I'm thinking of switching to DIRECTV because a few of my friends have it.

I've been lurking around here and I'm having a hard time deciding. The only downside I see is no "ondemand" programing like I'm used to with cox but then again I hardly use that. But on the plus side is all that HD content!!

Should I pull the trigger? Anyone switch from cable to satellite and regret it?

I used to have Cox when I lived in Henderson, but I switched to DirecTv since the picture quality at that time was horrendous. (Digital signals were very few, if any, at that time if I remember correctly). We now live in Pahrump where our only choice is D* if we want the networks in HD. I have been really happy with D*. In all of the installations, which were done by Ironwood, the work was done neatly and the installers even went beyond what would be considered a "normal" installation.
Although I don't use it that much, DoD (DirecTv on Demand) works fine. We have AT&T as our internet supplier and the fastest internet speed we get is 3Mps. I don't know what speeds Cox offers, but I would imagine you could get faster speeds.
In the almost ten years we have been D* customers, we have never noticed any rain fade or loss of signal due to high winds. D* HD dvrs are very reliable and they are constantly working on providing new features. (In development now is multi-room viewing where the content of one dvr can be shared with other receivers in other rooms if they are connected in a local network.)
If you want to do a little research on D* based on users' experiences, check these two forums:

http://www.dbstalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=112
http://www.dbstalk.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=14&f=118

What a sorry joke Cox is here in LV. Just moved in from San Diego and there you get decent HD coverage, good enough to keep me off of Sat with NBA/NHL and the regional sports in HD. I get here and find out you get none of that and seems like there is zero momentum to do anything. The rep said "I'm a big sports fan and I love our HD service". What a load of f-ing bullcrap! Face it Cox gives themselves a black eye with this crap, I've never used satellite before but will now. Even worse as I was "transferring" my account the rep wouldn't stop badgering me about getting digital cable when all I will get is internet. Then he tries to tell me I have to pay all these fees, but if I keep cable he'll waive them.

If only you could give a rep a nice fat middle finger on the phone!!!

What a sorry joke Cox is here in LV. Just moved in from San Diego and there you get decent HD coverage, good enough to keep me off of Sat with NBA/NHL and the regional sports in HD. I get here and find out you get none of that and seems like there is zero momentum to do anything. The rep said "I'm a big sports fan and I love our HD service". What a load of f-ing bullcrap! Face it Cox gives themselves a black eye with this crap, I've never used satellite before but will now. Even worse as I was "transferring" my account the rep wouldn't stop badgering me about getting digital cable when all I will get is internet. Then he tries to tell me I have to pay all these fees, but if I keep cable he'll waive them.

If only you could give a rep a nice fat middle finger on the phone!!!
The biggest problem with Cox right now is they continue to add HD channels that contain no HD content. Latest exampes: E!, Comedy, CMT, VH1. But they omit the one channel with all HD content - HDNet. While these channels may someday provide HD content and it's good that they will be carried; the current effort should be focused on adding HD channels that broadcast HD programs.

Washington, D.C. (February 11, 2009) -- D-TV said yesterday that roughly 50 percent of its subscribers now subscribe to High-Definition and/or DVR packages.
Additionally, company executives said that 55 to 60 percent of new subscribers are signing up for high-def and/or DVR services. (D-TV does not break down how many subscribers have High-Definition TV and how many have Digital Video Recorders. They include both in the same category.) Here's the link to the full article:
http://www.tvpredictions.com/dreport021109.htm

I posted months ago here that I believed new HDTV buyers would opt for Satellite instead of cable. While the article isn't proof positive, owners of great new large panel TVs want HD channels and HD programming. None of the cable providers are even close to providing enough true HD choices in their lineups.

Maybe Mallah could provide some insight on FSN West and FSN Prime Ticket in HD. It would be great to see the Angels and Dodgers in HD. I would much rather have those than Cartoon Net or Comedy Channel which have virtually no HD content.....at least for now.

What a sorry joke Cox is here in LV. Just moved in from San Diego and there you get decent HD coverage, good enough to keep me off of Sat with NBA/NHL and the regional sports in HD. I get here and find out you get none of that and seems like there is zero momentum to do anything. The rep said "I'm a big sports fan and I love our HD service". What a load of f-ing bullcrap! Face it Cox gives themselves a black eye with this crap, I've never used satellite before but will now. Even worse as I was "transferring" my account the rep wouldn't stop badgering me about getting digital cable when all I will get is internet. Then he tries to tell me I have to pay all these fees, but if I keep cable he'll waive them.

If only you could give a rep a nice fat middle finger on the phone!!!

Just remember that you were probably talking to a rep in another city.

Has anyone been able to reach Cox today???

I am getting that 383-4000 is not a valid phone #.

I also tried 629-3895 which was on my Jan bill from them. That one answers sometimes, but you wind up getting hung up on.

I can't believe that 383-4000 is now not a valid phone # for them.

Keith

Edit: Evidently their phone system was down on Wednesday. Seems OK today.

I am a big fan of Major League Baseball. And I subscribe to the MLB "Extra Innings" package.

Can anybody tell me when Cox cable will pull itself into the 21st century and carry those games in HD?

Probably never. Even if they did, a third the games would be blacked out because Las Vegas is claimed by all 5 CA teams and AZ. Stick to DirecTV.

I am a big fan of Major League Baseball. And I subscribe to the MLB "Extra Innings" package.

Can anybody tell me when Cox cable will pull itself into the 21st century and carry those games in HD?

I think you know the answer to this question Word. If they don't even show the Fox Sports Net Channels we get in SD in HD what would make you think they would show them in HD?

No word on MLB EI in HD, but due to stupid blackout rules, it would probably make a lot of people mad to not see the games that are blacked out.
In other MLB news, Cox will carry the MLB Network in HD (it's already on in SD) before the first game on April 5th. Of course, MLB has to enforce the blackout rules for the following six teams.

Arizona Diamond-Backs
San Diego Padres
Anaheim Angels
Los Angeles Dodgers
Oakland Athletics
San Francisco Giants

Just like NFL Network, they will be showing Thursday night games.

vegggas

There were rumors at the end of last season that MLB was going to revise the archaic blackout rules. Now it seems like it may not happen for this year.

Restructuring of MLB Blackout Policy Becoming More Remote

Link To Article (http://bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2929:restructuring-of-mlb-blackout-policy-becoming-more-remote&catid=48:ei-mlb-network&Itemid=82)

Two months from today, the 2009 regular season for Major League Baseball will get underway, and with it, fans will reach for their remotes (and wallets) to watch out-of-market games via MLB Extra Innings.

But, for several recent owners meetings, the topic of restructuring the television blackout policy for the league has been met with calls for tabling the matter, or as it was at last month’s meetings, pushed off the agenda entirely by more pressing matters for the owners, such as the gloomy state of the economy.

The chances of any movement on the blackout policy becomes ever more remote as the season approaches, and owners deal with a case of tunnel vision regarding economic factors. To place this in perspective, the last owners meetings had George Will talk about the economy, while the blackout policy took a back seat.

Word is that MLB hopes to have a proposal to address the arcane blackout policy formulated by opening day. With owners grasping onto every thin dime, odds seem exceptionally long that restructuring the television territories will take place by the time the first pitch arrives on the 2009 season. MLB president and COO Bob DuPuy has said that the proposal being presented would have a club lose a portion of their television territory, if they have not broadcast within it for over a year.

The potential problem with this model deals with what are called “haircut provisions” – advertising agreements that are tied to audience size. So, in principle, even though a club may not be broadcasting in an area of their granted television territory, the total audience size is still considered within it. Removing the areas not being broadcasted to would, ostensibly, make the audience size smaller, thus impacting ad deals.

The sad reality for those living outside of the markets where their favorite team broadcasts is that odds are very good that this year – like the year before, and the year before that – will have the same MLB blackout policy that has aggravated fans shelling out nearly $200 each season with the idea that they will be able to “catch all the action.” Fans, it’s the bottom of the ninth with 2 outs, and the count 0-2. Time to don your rally caps.

Over the air viewers who have not rescanned in a while might want to do so at this time. KGNG has recently lit up their digital signal on rf channel 48 with display to channel 47. Their main 47.1 offering is their affiliation with Home Shopping Network, while 47.2 is currently airing some demo discs for their forthcoming LA18 Asian programming service from KSCI-18 Los Angeles. The Cool TV, on 47.3, is also showing a demo rotation of some great music videos. Movies, 24/7, on their 47.4 looks quite promising. Currently the movies are running without breaks, but with an occasional informercial every few hours. These are being shown from a locally maintained Sony DVD jukebox, rather than from a network.

I would hope that local analog KEGS-30 will transition to digital on their DTV channel 24 assignment in the near future. While their affiliation with the Retro Television Network provided a good bit of reruns, until RTN ran into financial troubles, KEGS current program provider also seems to have a lot of programs that should attract viewers.

I would hope that local analog KEGS-30 will transition to digital on their DTV channel 24 assignment in the near future. While their affiliation with the Retro Television Network provided a good bit of reruns, until RTN ran into financial troubles, KEGS current program provider also seems to have a lot of programs that should attract viewers.

RTN's not the one in financial trouble, it's KEGS's owner Equity. None of their stations have gone digital except for a few that signed on digital-only years ago. Expect nothing but analog from them for the forseeable future.

foghorn2, are you still around? I'd love to get some data on KGNG-LD if you are. :)

- Trip

So did any of our channels here turn off the analog yet?

I can't scan to confirm...but the Sinclair stations of My LVTV and the CW were going to shut off their analog signal on the 17th despite the transition extension. All other stations are waiting till June.

The Sinclair stations' analog signals are still transmitting, however there is no programing. They are running a loop of PSAs explaining the DTV conversion.

Gotta love the new 24/7 movie channel on KGNG. Battered prints of public domain staples only, but it's fun to see stuff like Gamera the flying turtle and Hercules flicks on local TV again!

For some reason it comes on 48.6 on my HDTV, but 47.4 on the converter box on another set.

I wish one of the locals would pick up THIS TV (the MGM channel) for one of their sub stations.

I wish one of the locals would pick up THIS TV (the MGM channel) for one of their sub stations.


I read somewhere that one of the Las Vegas Sinclair stations was picking up This TV. But when?

Great, I hope it's true!

From LVRJ today: http://www.lvrj.com/business/40274827.html

Cox is migrating to DOCSIS 2.0 soon I guess. Though hopefully the headend equipment they are installing is DOCSIS 3.0 capable.

I took that article as they are just turning DOCSIS 1 off to make room for other stuff. Hopefully that other stuff is Fox Sports HD or a number of other HD channels.

Well, regardless of how you read it, I had to order a new SB5101 modem. At least my modem will now have a 100Mbps ethernet port instead of 10Mbps, I'll be able to get that full 12Mbps I pay for instead of just 10.

Well, regardless of how you read it, I had to order a new SB5101 modem. At least my modem will now have a 100Mbps ethernet port instead of 10Mbps, I'll be able to get that full 12Mbps I pay for instead of just 10.

Personally I think Cox should of given that to you for free. If you've been a High Speed Internet customer for 8 straight years I think they can afford to give you a $30 modem.

Personally I think Cox should of given that to you for free. If you've been a High Speed Internet customer for 8 straight years I think they can afford to give you a $30 modem.

11 years. January 1998. Business customer ($80/mo) since they switched to Cox@Home. I think I still have the Prime Cable receipt from the install in one of my safe keeping boxes for posterity.

What STB's do you guys have I traded my old one for a Scientific atlanta 8300HD and i have been having some issues with it which ones do you guys have? Do they give you trouble?

What kind of issues?

recording sometimes it "blacks out" while im watching recorded content although it did not air that way.

RTN's not the one in financial trouble, it's KEGS's owner Equity. None of their stations have gone digital except for a few that signed on digital-only years ago. Expect nothing but analog from them for the forseeable future.

foghorn2, are you still around? I'd love to get some data on KGNG-LD if you are. :)

- Trip

OK, I've been playing around with the Apple TV and Boxee lately. With a wrt54g-tm, dd-wrt, a UK VPN service and the BBC Iplayer, I've been a stranger here.

When I get a chance, I'll fire up the dinosaur HTPC windoze setup and post some data. But I'll feel like Im going backwards in technology:(

OK, I've been playing around with the Apple TV and Boxee lately. With a wrt54g-tm, dd-wrt, a UK VPN service and the BBC Iplayer, I've been a stranger here.

When I get a chance, I'll fire up the dinosaur HTPC windoze setup and post some data. But I'll feel like Im going backwards in technology:(

Not all of us have Internet connections capable of handling all that! :D

But certainly, no hurry and no worry. Just when convenient.

- Trip

Foghorn: How do you like the AppleTV? I've been going back and forth between it and the Sonos system. I don't plan to download movies much, just stream music from my PC. But, you never know...

Foghorn: How do you like the AppleTV? I've been going back and forth between it and the Sonos system. I don't plan to download movies much, just stream music from my PC. But, you never know...

I LOVE the Apple TV. I cancelled Dish network thanks to it and Boxee.

Also I'm Indulging on the BBC iPlayer on Boxee and watching shows us Americans are not allowed to watch. F@#$ Cox, Dish, Direct ET.AL.

Forced TV is no longer allowed in my house :D

recording sometimes it "blacks out" while im watching recorded content although it did not air that way.

that happens with those boxes. in that case use channel up/down to navigate away from the dvr playback channel and then go play the program again via the recorded program list... it will play.

that happens with those boxes. in that case use channel up/down to navigate away from the dvr playback channel and then go play the program again via the recorded program list... it will play.

Oh I know what you mean by that but Im saying that while the program is playing it freezes and blacks out even though it didnt air that way.

Just got my rate increase notice. Sure seems high considering the economy.

All winter long,I look forward to the start of baseballs spring training. So now it's here and I was looking forward to seeing some games on MLBTV (Channel 314). At 2 PM today, the White Sox are scheduled to play the Dodgers. Yet on the Cox Program guide, the dreaded word "BLACKOUT" is listed for that time period. Having checked with the Office of the Baseball Commissioner on Friday, they told me (in no uncertain terms) that the "blackout" regulations DO NOT APPLY TO SPRING TRAINING GAMES. ALL games should be available on Cox, D*, etc.

So I called Cox to complain about this and of course I got the verbal equivalent of a shoulder shrug. NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING. NOBODY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SUCH ERRORS, and NOBODY CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
COX SUCKS, BIG-TIME!!

Cox's poor sports lineup, particularly in LV, is nothing new. Even I know that, and I live 1200 miles away ;). The real question is why you continue to use and complain about Cox when DirecTV is unquestionably the best choice for your viewing habits.

They all suck, bunch of elitists taking our money and deciding what we can or cannot watch.

Internet based TV will be the end of cable.

Internet based TV will be the end of cable.

Not likely. Most people use cable or phone companies to get internet access. What they will do is issue caps so you end up paying just as much to watch TV over the internet as you will using cable.

Not likely. Most people use cable or phone companies to get internet access. What they will do is issue caps so you end up paying just as much to watch TV over the internet as you will using cable.

Fine, as long as we pay for what we want to watch, which most of it is not on pay tv anymore.

All winter long,I look forward to the start of baseballs spring training. So now it's here and I was looking forward to seeing some games on MLBTV (Channel 314). At 2 PM today, the White Sox are scheduled to play the Dodgers. Yet on the Cox Program guide, the dreaded word "BLACKOUT" is listed for that time period. Having checked with the Office of the Baseball Commissioner on Friday, they told me (in no uncertain terms) that the "blackout" regulations DO NOT APPLY TO SPRING TRAINING GAMES. ALL games should be available on Cox, D*, etc.

So I called Cox to complain about this and of course I got the verbal equivalent of a shoulder shrug. NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING. NOBODY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SUCH ERRORS, and NOBODY CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
COX SUCKS, BIG-TIME!!

I saw "blackout" listed last Wednesday on MLB 314 and checked anyway to see what programming was on. Lo and behold, the Diamondbacks/Indians game was being broadcast. So, evidently the listings might not reflect actual programming.

So Cox only partially sucks? Or sucks small-time?

So Cox only partially sucks? Or sucks small-time?

Cox Sucks! :D

Well, at least there is some good news for the baseball fans of this forum. Looks like Cox is confirming that MLB HD will begin April 1 on 783. Now, it remains to be seen as to how much content we'll be getting. If only the blackout restrictions would be resolved now. I'll take the west coast FSN HD feeds...that would be a nice start. Or even a return of the San Diego 4 HD feed with the option to mute the TV guys and replace it with the radio team. ;-)

Or even a return of the San Diego 4 HD feed with the option to mute the TV guys and replace it with the radio team. ;-)

When it comes to the Padres announcers, both TV and radio, it doesn't really matter as they are both very annoying to listen to.

The new HD E! Channel on Cox has begun to air some HD programming of their new shows. When Cox first added the channel there was no HD so this is good news.

Anyone know what is up with the graphic generator they use for the channel ID break at the top and bottom of the hour? The signal goes from HD to SD for the duration and there are timeshift skips when that occurs. It probably wouldn't be so noticeable if they had bothered to adjust the volume of their SD to match the HD. All of their SD from the ID breaks to the local commercials are twice as loud.

I don't recall it occurring during the SuperBowl, but is has been happening since the Daytona 500.

Fox 5 has never had the ability to run anything local in HD, including their on screen legal ID. They simply switch to the direct feed from Fox using a router that also inserts the bug in the lower right corner. Any other programming that is locally generated has to be switched to SD. I sent an email about a month ago to Fox 5 asking if they were considering the upgrade to HD for their local news...and I never received any response.

Fox stations cannot overlay anything on the HD signal until Fox replaces their network gear with more capable equipment. That replacement is supposed to occur before the fall season but there's no telling when it will happen.

- Trip

Not entirely true. The Fox-provided splicer has a station-controllable trigger to overlay the legal ID, which is separate from the normal bug shown on HD programming. A number of stations do utilize this feature, and don't need to drop to SD to do so. If the station doesn't know how to use it, they probably need to give Fox's Affiliate Engineering a call.

Not entirely true. The Fox-provided splicer has a station-controllable trigger to overlay the legal ID, which is separate from the normal bug shown on HD programming. A number of stations do utilize this feature, and don't need to drop to SD to do so. If the station doesn't know how to use it, they probably need to give Fox's Affiliate Engineering a call.

Wow, yeah, you're right, I saw his message and missed the "even the ID" part. I remember digging through the original splicer manual and finding it wasn't there; turns out it was a feature that was added in later on. I hadn't known about it until then.

Though I'm not sure if Fox has to set that up or not. I don't think the stations can load their ID into the splicer themselves. Is it possible that KVVU hasn't had their ID loaded into the splicer, if they're not using it to ID?

- Trip

Interesting to find that out. I was basing my information on what I've learned from this forum, especially from FoxEng's posts in the past in other threads. I am certainly no expert on the subject. I wonder why KVVU hasn't loaded the legal ID in to the splicer? It is certainly quite jarring when they switch from HD to SD to run their legal ID. The timing is off and the audio levels are quite different between the two feeds.

As far as I know, it's simply a matter of uploading the file to Fox's FTP server and then configuring whatever local control software is in use to flip the proverbial switch to turn the ID on/off. WTXF in Philadelphia had the same problem of dropping to SD for the ID, and they eventually fixed it after a number of viewer complaints. Call the station and ask to speak to someone in engineering.

All winter long,I look forward to the start of baseballs spring training. So now it's here and I was looking forward to seeing some games on MLBTV (Channel 314). At 2 PM today, the White Sox are scheduled to play the Dodgers. Yet on the Cox Program guide, the dreaded word "BLACKOUT" is listed for that time period. Having checked with the Office of the Baseball Commissioner on Friday, they told me (in no uncertain terms) that the "blackout" regulations DO NOT APPLY TO SPRING TRAINING GAMES. ALL games should be available on Cox, D*, etc.

So I called Cox to complain about this and of course I got the verbal equivalent of a shoulder shrug. NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING. NOBODY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR SUCH ERRORS, and NOBODY CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
COX SUCKS, BIG-TIME!!

Cox has no control over which games are blacked out, nor do we control whats on our guide. This is controlled by the sporting leagues and TV guide respectively. If there is an error in the guide we can report it to Tv Guide and have it fixed, but we cannot show games that MLB and TV stations have decided to black out before sending their signal to Cox and we cannot fix an error on our guide without contacting the third party that controls it. I should also add that this is the same for many other cable and satellite companies so if Cox sucks big time so does everyone else. In the future you may want to try watching the game to see if its really blacked out or just an error on the art of TV Guide which assumes all so called local games are blacked out. And BTW, next time you talk to the Office of the Baseball Commisioner, instead of complaining about a single blacked out game please complain about how stupid it is that Las Vegas has games blocked out from other states. We have no local team of our own and it is unfair that all California and Arizona teams have thier games blocked out. And while your'e at it contact the NFL too. I'm upset over this and so are all Las vegas sports fans, but theirs no reason to be mad at Cox, instead get mad at the sporting leagues that set up the messed up blackout rules in Las Vegas.

Try to ignore the Maestro, he has blamed everyone but the responsible party for a long time. He probably is the type that just likes to hear himself complain, I doubt that he can produce a single letter that he has written to any responsible party.

Don't tempt him...

And while your'e at it contact the NFL too.

Why? Las Vegas is not subject to any blackouts of regular season NFL games.

We have no local team of our own and it is unfair that all California and Arizona teams have thier games blocked out. And while your'e at it contact the NFL too. I'm upset over this and so are all Las vegas sports fans, but theirs no reason to be mad at Cox, instead get mad at the sporting leagues that set up the messed up blackout rules in Las Vegas.

For an extra 10 or 12 bucks a month, Direct TV offers CSBA, FSAZ, PRIME TICKET and FSW.

Thus any SF Giant games which are blacked out on the MLB EI package, but are carried on CSBA ARE AVAILABLE in Las Vegas. Also, since last year ALL Diamondbacks games are on FSAZ, ALL of their televised games are available on D* in Las Vegas (even though they are blacked out on the MLB EI package). The same thing is true for the Oakland Athletics as for the SF Giants. The MLB EI package will ALWAYS have the Dodgers and Angels blacked out in Las Vegas, But having the Regional Sports Networks as provided by D* allows Las Vegas fans to view them on Prime Ticket /FSW. Providing of course those games are being carried by Prime Ticket or FSW and NOT by some O-T-A station in Los Angeles.

The ONLY team totally unavailable on D* is the San Diego Padres---and who gives a damn about them.

Maestro has a point why can satellite providers show the games and Cox cant

Different restrictions on out-of-market channels for satellite vs. terrestrial carriers.

Different restrictions on out-of-market channels for satellite vs. terrestrial carriers.


Could you elaborate on that? That doesn't make sense to me. About as much sense as the blackout rules themselves. Rules likely written by the same morons.

Maestro has a point why can satellite providers show the games and Cox cant

Cox could carry the games as well as D*. But in order to do so so they would have to carry all the Regional Sports Networks. There are about 25-30 of them, and Cox dosen't cater to the sports enthusiast. They of course think its more important to carry home shopping networks, MTV and an excessive number of movie channels. As I previously said....COX SUCKS bigtime!

Different restrictions on out-of-market channels for satellite vs. terrestrial carriers.

I'm not so sure that's correct.

But assuming it is, that is all the more reason to prefer D* to Cox.

I'm not so sure that's correct.

But assuming it is, that is all the more reason to prefer D* to Cox.
The FCC has pushed out a lot of rules over the years to hinder cable companies while helping satellite. All in the name of competition, or something. Maybe the satcos just offered better bribes :cool:.

Agree fully that D* is superior in most ways to Cox at this time. The whole EON upgrade seems to be running into massive delays, which isn't helping things for Cox subscribers. If they can ever get back on track and actually start rolling out new channels at a decent clip, then things might change. For now, even the most diehard Cox fans are looking to jump ship, and I don't blame them.

Cox could carry the games as well as D*. But in order to do so so they would have to carry all the Regional Sports Networks. There are about 25-30 of them, and Cox dosen't cater to the sports enthusiast. They of course think its more important to carry home shopping networks, MTV and an excessive number of movie channels. As I previously said....COX SUCKS bigtime!

No cable co. carries out of market regional sports networks, only satellite companies. Your beef with COX should be with them not providing access to sports teams that claim LV as their home, not with them not providing every RSN in the country.

No cable co. carries out of market regional sports networks, only satellite companies.

Assuming that's true. Then WHY is it true.

Las Vegas is a city with a polyglot population. It consists largely of immigrants from other areas of this country. Namely the east and midwest. Transplanted fans still have allegiance to the hometeams of their youth and would be most eager to be able to follow them. D*recognizes this. Cox is blind to it.

No cable co. carries out of market regional sports networks, only satellite companies. Your beef with COX should be with them not providing access to sports teams that claim LV as their home, not with them not providing every RSN in the country.

No cable company gets my TV dollars either. That's how I vote.

Assuming that's true. Then WHY is it true.

Las Vegas is a city with a polyglot population. It consists largely of immigrants from other areas of this country. Namely the east and midwest. Transplanted fans still have allegiance to the hometeams of their youth and would be most eager to be able to follow them. D*recognizes this. Cox is blind to it.

You do realize that even if COX provided every RSN under the sun, you would still not see any professional sporting events on those RSN's, right? The exception, of course, is your local RSN. It's EXACTLY the same with D* and E*. If you want to see the out of market games, you have to subscribe to that particular sports package, which COX provides. Again, your beef should be with COX not providing "hometown" team coverage (Giants, A's, Diamondbacks) while satellite, namely D*, does. Having every RSN offered to you holds absolutely no benefit to what you want.

You do realize that even if COX provided every RSN under the sun, you would still not see any professional sporting events on those RSN's, right? The exception, of course, is your local RSN. It's EXACTLY the same with D* and E*. If you want to see the out of market games, you have to subscribe to that particular sports package, which COX provides. Again, your beef should be with COX not providing "hometown" team coverage (Giants, A's, Diamondbacks) while satellite, namely D*, does. Having every RSN offered to you holds absolutely no benefit to what you want.


You are TOTALLY wrong. I've already explained to you how it is possible for me to view Giants, Athletics and Diamondbacks games through D* right here in Las Vegas. Even though those games are blacked out on the MLB "EI"package. Why can't COX offer the same things for $10-12 per month as D* does? The answer is that Cox does not act as the advocate for its subscribers wants and desires regarding the viewing of sports programming. I understand the restrictions which MLB places on them. But they should be fighting tooth and nail to be able to carry those telecasts., The fact that they do NOT (are not) making that fight, is an indication to me that they just don't care about their fans.

What demand is there for those extra channels on Cox? All the real sports fans in Las Vegas left for DirecTV years ago. FSN West and PT are one thing, since they are the true RSNs for the area, but adding FSN AZ and CSN is a serious waste of bandwidth.

What demand is there for those extra channels on Cox? All the real sports fans in Las Vegas left for DirecTV years ago. FSN West and PT are one thing, since they are the true RSNs for the area, but adding FSN AZ and CSN is a serious waste of bandwidth.

I don't know, but maybe Cox would like to lure some of those people back. I just think they don't like sports fans or else the RSN's they do have would be in HD.

Friends of mine switched from Cox to D* a couple years ago. They are total baseball and football fans. The biggest reason he switched: MLB EI in HD. Of course the Sunday Ticket package is great too....and all in HD.

So coyoteaz is right....the serious sports fans have already switched to D*. But I really do wish that Cox would add FSNW and Prime Ticket in HD. Not being able to watch the Dodgers or Angels in HD sucks!!

You are TOTALLY wrong. I've already explained to you how it is possible for me to view Giants, Athletics and Diamondbacks games through D* right here in Las Vegas. Even though those games are blacked out on the MLB "EI"package. Why can't COX offer the same things for $10-12 per month as D* does? The answer is that Cox does not act as the advocate for its subscribers wants and desires regarding the viewing of sports programming. I understand the restrictions which MLB places on them. But they should be fighting tooth and nail to be able to carry those telecasts., The fact that they do NOT (are not) making that fight, is an indication to me that they just don't care about their fans.

Some games are blacked out in the MLB Extra Innings package because the tv viewing coverage rights in the particular region, sometimes nationwide, was made exclusive to another station, such as Fox Sports. While I will admit that Cox is far behind Dish and DirecTV when it comes to sports (how can I not) I should also mention that Cox is making headway to remain competitive. The simplest solution is for the ban to be lifted on so called local games which are being blacked out in Vegas. This makes no sense to me. As someone explained above, Las Vegas is a community made of peoples from all over the country who would like to watch their home sports teams. I'm from the Bay Area and i would like to watch my teams as well. However, it is difficult for a locally based cable company to provide these channels at this point and time over channels that have more mainstream viewing. Although sports are mainstream providing channels that only show games of a particulair region are not. This does nto mean we won't do it, or that we don't care, it just means we can't put that as a top priority over channels that reach a larger demographic. However, over time we will have more bandwidth and television will become more intenet based and this will allow way more channels over cable than what you see today. I realize thats pointless to some of you now, but I'm just trying to make the point that cable companies hear what people want and we want to deliver it, but there's no magic wand we can wave, or satellite we can put up in the sky overnight and equipment we can force everyone to upgrade to that can fix our issues. So basically what im saying is, sports fanatics, satellite has us beat right now, but Cox cable and wireless broadband is the future.

You are TOTALLY wrong. I've already explained to you how it is possible for me to view Giants, Athletics and Diamondbacks games through D* right here in Las Vegas. Even though those games are blacked out on the MLB "EI"package. Why can't COX offer the same things for $10-12 per month as D* does? The answer is that Cox does not act as the advocate for its subscribers wants and desires regarding the viewing of sports programming. I understand the restrictions which MLB places on them. But they should be fighting tooth and nail to be able to carry those telecasts., The fact that they do NOT (are not) making that fight, is an indication to me that they just don't care about their fans.

I'm wrong? Did you even read my post? I said that you WOULD be able to see your LOCAL teams on the RSN's. That includes all the California teams plus the Diamondbacks. What COX should provide is access to ALL our local teams. Temporary channels that are live only during games could be an answer to this problem. The D* package you keep mentioning provides ALL the RSN's from around the country. They include the games from your local teams ONLY. There is no need for COX to provide such a package because, as coyoteaz said, it's a waste of bandwith. It provides NO BENEFIT to all those "displaced" fans you mentioned in your other post. If their teams are not one of the six that call LV their home market, they need to sub to EI to get their games. Like I said, temporary channels to provide coverage of the Giants, A's, and Diamondbacks could be the solution. An even better solution would be for MLB to fix their antiquated blackout rules already.

Bet HD coming May 12th, can't believe that hasn't been posted.

Bet HD coming May 12th, can't believe that hasn't been posted.

You have been able to watch crappy TV in SD. Now you will have the pleasure of watching the same crap in HD. Lucky You.

You have been able to watch crappy TV in SD. Now you will have the pleasure of watching the same crap in HD. Lucky You.

That would be true if the channel actually broadcasted anything in HD. It just another one of those pseudo-HD channels that just takes up space.

Apparently Telemundo HD is coming April 20th. I didn't even know that existed. Maybe I'll get my parents an HDTV now, they'll have one channel to watch.

All hispanic channels should be in widescreen, it helps see all the parts of the weather ladies.;)

Anyone know of a good OTA antenna installer in Las Vegas?

I've searched various forums with no luck.

Hi everyone. Im in SW Vegas and new to OTA and hope someone here can help me with a few questions.

#1 - I have this Sony KDL-52XBR3 TV. It says it has an ATSC tuner. Doesn't that mean I should just be able to turn it on and tune into OTA HD channels? Or is an OTA HDTV antenna absolutely required? http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&productId=11040753

#2 - I subscribe to cable internet with Cox (no cable TV plan) and learned that i could plug my TV into the wall and tune into QAM channels. I tried this and it worked ok, except NBC is extremely distorted and unwatchable. Anyone else have this issue?

#3 - Would an OTA HDTV tuner be better overall than using the QAM channels i can get through my cable line?

Thank you for your help.

#1 any antenna should work. Can you see both sets of transmitters on the mountain.

#2 I'm surprised you are seeing them at all with no TV plan. I thought they put a filter on the line that filtered out all the TV channels.

#3 The only way to know is hook up an antenna and try.

I'm surprised you are seeing them at all with no TV plan. I thought they put a filter on the line that filtered out all the TV channels.

A friend of mine just moved, and he signed up for Internet only. He also watches the QAM channels. Maybe they ran out of filters for all of the satellite subscribers out there?

#2 I'm surprised you are seeing them at all with no TV plan. I thought they put a filter on the line that filtered out all the TV channels.

I think this generally varies where you are. They filtered me good :(

A good friend of mine in an apartment complex only has the internet but also manages to get basic cable with his TV.

KBLR HD (Telemundo) is up on COX ClearQAM 100.1 . Still waiting for Local MyTV Channel 21 (Cox 12) to go HD on Cox :)

Greetings all. Anyone else having problems watching digital channels 5.1 (Fox HD), 5.2 (Fox weather), and 6.1 (CW) in the Las Vegas/Henderson area? I DON'T subscribe to Cox Digital Cable, yet, but I can still pick up 34 digital channels for free since my TV has a digital tuner. I only have basic cable through a co-ax cable connected, no STB.

All my other "free" digital channels (NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, etc.) are working fine. When I go to 5.1, 5.2, or 6.1 my Pioneer Kuro pro-111fd gives the message "Barred from watching this Conditional Access program."

I called Cox Cable earlier today and was told that they were switching the channel(s) on Fox channel 705 and 706 for Digital subscribers but could not tell me how this would affect 5.1 or 5.2 and offered no timeframe for a fix.

Anyone have the inside scoop? Thanks.

Maybe try doing a channel rescan.

Maybe try doing a channel rescan.

I did to no avail, thanks. Just curious, can you get Fox HD right now? It's channel 5.1 for basic or 705 if you subscribe to digital cable.

I did to no avail, thanks. Just curious, can you get Fox HD right now? It's channel 5.1 for basic or 705 if you subscribe to digital cable.
Sorry I have Directv.

About halfway thru Hell's Kitchen last night (9:30pm), I lost the video on channel 705. It happened right after a local break. The audio was fine, but the picture was not there. Switching to any other HD channel worked fine, but 705 appeared to lose the video feed on their HD channel only. Channel 5 (SD) was fine.

I didn't think to check it this morning, so I don't know if the problem was resolved or not.

About halfway thru Hell's Kitchen last night (9:30pm), I lost the video on channel 705. It happened right after a local break. The audio was fine, but the picture was not there. Switching to any other HD channel worked fine, but 705 appeared to lose the video feed on their HD channel only. Channel 5 (SD) was fine.

I didn't think to check it this morning, so I don't know if the problem was resolved or not.


all I know is that there have been several shows that I have recorded on Fox's HD channel that have played back with freezing frames and lost audio at various times during the entire playback. I thought mabey I had a bad HD sector in the dvr but they're the only channel that this happens on.

I can confirm that COX unencrypted qam seems to be having problems. In particular FOXHD seems to be the worst of all as of late.

I am using 2 HDHomerun tv tuners (4 open qam tuners) to supply a half dozen tv's throughout the house. I had thought that I was having some sort of problem on my end. Tonight I noticed that 24 (FOX) never even came on. It was dark throughout the entire night.

Can anyone confirm this?

Hello to everyone by the way . . . I recently moved out here from Texas . . .
Good to see there is some chatter in this thread.

Can someone get me a TSReader capture of KVCW some time in the next week? They're apparently doing a mobile DTV demo for NAB.

- Trip

I have cox and last nights episode of 24 on fox hd came on and it looked worse then usual, it has looked bad in the past but this was terrible. Any one else having problems and whose fault is it cox or Kvvu.

Can someone get me a TSReader capture of KVCW some time in the next week? They're apparently doing a mobile DTV demo for NAB.

- Trip

KVCW looks normal, but their sister station KVMY has an unknown PID 0x1eee running at 7.33 Mpbs.

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Bingo. That's it. Wow, that's 8 sections wide, that's the biggest one I've seen so far. They must be feeding multiple video streams.

KKPX-DT in San Francisco tested with 4, and WRAL-DT in Raleigh launched with 3 recently.

Can you catch me an HTML Export of that? On the export window, I like all the data except for EIT and Thumbnails.

- Trip

What is mobile DTV?

Transmitting MPEG-4 video at low resolutions to cell phones and other mobile devices. (In a nutshell) "ATSC-MPH" is a good search term. (MPH = Mobile/Pedestrian/Handheld)

- Trip

Bingo. That's it. Wow, that's 8 sections wide, that's the biggest one I've seen so far. They must be feeding multiple video streams.

KKPX-DT in San Francisco tested with 4, and WRAL-DT in Raleigh launched with 3 recently.

Can you catch me an HTML Export of that? On the export window, I like all the data except for EIT and Thumbnails.

- Trip

Sure thing, HTML export attached to this post.