KTWU-DT is on the air. In downtown Topeka, we are receiving a stronger signal from them then we get for 44 or 28. At this time they are showing the PBS demo loop. Picture looks outstanding except for some motion artifacts on fas moving objects.

Good Job!

Brad,
You will probably see artifacts since they are supposed to be running PBS Kids on a subchannel.

tim

Started Picking up KTWU-DT today here in Lawrence. The signal is indeed stronger than WIBW-DT and KSNT-DT.

I get about 90% signal strength with KTWU-DT, 65% with WIBW-DT, and maybe 35% with KSNT-DT. My reception of KSNT-DT at this point is spotty, but I attribute this to their low power situation. I'm amazed I get it at all. If I point both of my UHF antennas at Topeka, it comes in consistently.

I'm very excited, Lawrence seems to be very well situated for DTV. Looks like by about June 15th, we'll be able to pick up every network but Fox and KCTV (BOO!) in HD from both KC and Topeka!

I haven't been able to pick up channel 23 (11 miles south of Manhattan). I can get WIBW-DT just fine.

Couchrack,
Try pointing more towards North topeka, like you are getting 27 analog. Their tower is on the north side of town. You should get them fine, they are running at 400kW.

Rumor has it that Sunflower Cable is Lawrence will soon be offering an HD package. Let see, Lawrence had cable modems what, about four years before Topeka. I guess we will see an HD package by COX sometime in 2007!?!

BJS188,
I'll bet we see Cox offer a HD package by the end of the year. That seem like an awful long time to wait, but they seem VERY slow in rolling out HD service.

Has KTKA started broadcasting yet??

tim

Originally posted by timmy1376
BJS188,

Has KTKA started broadcasting yet??

tim

I have not been able to get a signal from them yet. I'll try again tonight.

BTW, congrats on getting the Royals back on FOX Sports.

Yeah, except I have Directv now, and it doesn't apply to Directv and Dish. I had to call and get expanded basic from Cox, but got a deal where it only cost $.11 more a month for three months, which basically covers the rest of the season.

Nothing for KTKA. I see that their extension that they got in November expires June 20th. Maybe we will see something from them in the next couple of week.

That's too bad about KTKA. I heard they will only be about 4kW when they go live, and just 480i too boot. So no MNF this fall.

It looks like KTKA-DT is on the air. A customer took us that they have been on since Monday, June 9th. I checked on Thursday night from home and was not able to pick them up. We were able to get them here at work in downtown Topeka. The signal is low, only about 54%, while the other three stations are in the high 80's.

Anyone have any new info on if they are going to do any HD?

I can send you, via PM, the email addy of the engineer I have talked with before. Maybe you can get some more info out of him if he knows where you work.

tim

Thanks but their email addresses are on their website. Our customer was going to give them a call. I'll wait and see what he finds out.

What are they going to broadcast at? 25 KW? Not enought to reach Manhattan.

KTKA did not have the NBA game in HD on Sunday. So I guess that they are not going to do HD. What a waste!

I am also having trouble with KSNT. The channel will freeze and stay frozen everytime that come back fram a local break. You get to look at one frame for 20 minutes or so. This happened on ER on Thursday and L&O CI on Sunday. Anyone else having this problem?

I have major multipathing problems with WIBW. I can get their signal but it requires a lot of work. Not their fault, I just live in a bad place.

KTWU is great except for reduced bandwidth due to multicasting.

The state of HD in Topeka (at least for me)!

Is KSNT still on the air? I just adjusted my antenna so I could pick up
KTWU,KTKA and KSNT. I have 2 HD tuners and both pick up the signal
but there is no picture. My Mits receiver has sound but no picture and
my Samsung has no sound or picture. They both seem to have enough
signal strength . I also noticed that KSNT clock seems to be way off,
making time shifting HD to my DVHS a no go deal. My Samsung receiver
uses the station clock for timed recordings.

I got an email from one of the engineers at KSNT and they said that they had an equipment failure and were only on at a very low power. That was all of the infromation they sent.

KSNT seems to be broadcasting in HD again.

Guys,
I just got a response from Cox about HDTV service:

When HDTV launches, it will be available in all of our Kansas Markets
except for Salina, Ottawa and Garnett. There is still no set date when
it is going to launch. I have added your name to our list of leads to
be contacted when it becomes available.


So, when it does startup, at least we know Topeka and Manhattan will be able to get it. That helps a bunch since I cannot get the channels OTA. I wonder if they will have WIBW, KSNT, and KTWU in the lineup?

Also, I wonder if they would add the WB since they get the signal directly anyway.

I posted this over in the Kansas City thread, but I thought you all might be interested over here too:

Sunflower BB in Lawrence launched their HD rollout yesterday. I picked up my Motorola 5100 box after work, and the CSR said they are going fast.

Just got it hooked up late last night, and it took a little while to get my TiVo rigged into the system, so I haven't seen much yet.

BUT - DiscoveryHD looks AWESOME! It was like watching a photograph with motion. I still have to figure out why the analog stations look so bad thru the component inputs while they are acceptable over the s-vid through the TiVo...

If you have any questions, send them my way - I'll try my best to answer them (perhaps even correctly :) )

-MCupps

Hey Jeff Groves, how are things going with you?

Did you guys get the new Harris IRD from CBS yet?

All of the stations in Omaha, both commercial and PBS, are now broadcasting a digital signal.

We are now running two IOTs at 700kW ERP. The terrain here seems to be quite favorable for digital broadcasting. When we first went on the air running at the 250kW level, we were being received over 70 miles away with attic antennas.

Give me a landline, would like to talk shop about Dolby E.

Welcome to the Topeka Thread Mike.
Glad to see at least some of the stations are going to full power. On a rare night I can pull in KY3 out of Springfield MO. Omaha is a little farther away but at 700kw it might be possible to get you here. Unfortunately I'm working evening this week and don't have another day off til next Tuesday. I'll try to pull you in then and let you know if I do. I'm in Kansas City's DMA but since KCTV sucks and doesn't do HDTV I get CBS from WIBW. You are at digital channel 45 right?

Glenn

Thanks for the welcome.

We are digital Ch. 45, re-map to 3-1. Broadcasting 11AM - 11 PM daily.

Sorry that this is a Kansas City issue in the Topeka thread, but...

Mike,

Do you know Dan Somes at KCTV5 CBS in Kansas City? If you do, he is stating that they will be doing HD by year end. Some of us are finding this hard to believe and think this is a ploy to stop the complaints and articles in the Kansas City Star.

Is he personally for or against HD? Are his hands really that tied with Meredith, or could we have had CBS HD much sooner if he fought for it?

Just wondering,
Tim

No, I don't know that gentleman. I don't think I will touch this subject even with a 10 foot sentence. Sounds like this is a very hot issue that I best stay out of.

I understand. Congrats to you and Jeff for being in smaller markets and broadcasting CBS HD. Keep up the excellent work!! It is very appreciated.

Your stations MUST eventually have some kind of "ripple effect" on this situation. When the CBS stations in Phoenix and Kansas City look around, they must be saying "Hey, everyone around us doing HD, we should too!!"

Wishful thinking, I know...:rolleyes:

Judging from the lack of posts I guess things are quiet on the HDTV front in Topeka. I stopped by Cox yesterday and while I was there I noticed those brochures that tell you how superior cable is too satellite. I asked the customer service rep why cable is so much better if I can't get HDTV and, as if the response were programmed, she promptly told me they'd be carrying HDTV by the end of next month.

She admitted she didn't know any details. Apparently the staff was told they'd do an HDTV roll-out next month and that was all. She did know that Cox is supposed to start airing commercials promoting their HDTV service in the next week or so. She did not know until I told her that customers would have to get a new cable box to receive an HDTV signal.

I'm not going to get my hopes up too much for Cox HDTV by Labor Day, but hopefully we'll have it sooner rather than later.

I was told by "early fall", so we shall see. Football season would be a great boost for them.

Well, I was flipping through some channels yesterday and saw an AD for HDTV coming soon on channel 30. I guess that means they are fairly close. It was the very end of the commercial so I am not really sure which logos were on it but I would assume ESPN, Discover, HBO, and SHO. Hopefully we will get KSNT and WIBW, and maybe even KTWU.

Too bad KTKA will not pass HDTV so we could watch MNF in HD.

Jeff,
Will WIBW be carried in HD by Cox??

Not that it really matters but is anyone getting sound on KTKA-DT?

I'm getting sound from KTKA-DT ch. 48. I was not getting sound from
KSNT for a day or 2 last week. KSNT seems to have more problems keeping everything up and running than the other channels.

The last time I hooked up the antenna to my MYHD PC tuner I couldn't
get audio from KTKA and if I remember right I don't think I have ever been
able to get audio from KTKA with it for some reason.

Not HD related but Skyreport is reporting the DIRECTV is adding Topeka locals later this year.

That is kick ass. I would rather have topeka locals than KC which I get now. (don't ask)

The more I think about that, do I really want to move? Topeka would include KTKA (ABC), KSNT (NBC), WIBW (CBS), KTWU (PBS), KTMJ (Fox). And I am not sure KTMJ would even count.

That means I would loose UPN, Pax, and WB local channels. I watch alot of WB shows so that would pretty much suck. Unless KTKA, which partners with Cox on WBKS, the cable WB, could put up a WB, then I would be happy.

It is interesting that they are going to put Topeka up before Wichita. Maybe since Wichita has repeaters all over southern and western Kansas, they would have to carry them all.

Here in Oak Grove Missouri I am receiving your Topeka KTWU DT-11:D

On KSNT-DT, I am getting indication that they are broadcasting in Dolby 5.1 but am only getting the front left channel. I know that not many people are receiveing KSNT-DT , but is anyon who is getting this also?

I just get Dolby Pro-Logic, or at least DD 2.0, on KSNT-DT. WIBW is the only station I regularly receive in 5.1. I've heard that KTWU will have some 5.1 content but I haven't seen it yet.

My Mcintosh shows I'm receiving DD 5.0 but I am only getting stereo while watching Conan, but that wont be in 5.0 anyway. I'll check when there is some real HD and see if I'm getting more than just the 2 front channels.
I am getting both front channels , not just the left front channel.

Apparently there will be a meeting for Cox employees this Saturday at which they will be told the details of the HDTV rollout. Until then, the rank and file don't seem to know any details.

Someone pointed out on the Wichita thread that HD channels are now listed on the digital cable on-screen program guide. It's the same locally. Check out the 600's and you'll HBO-HD, Showtime-HD, ESPN-HD and Discovery-HD. No mention on the program guide of the network affiliates.

CBS will be carry only the "Primary Game each week in HDTV" So I will only be recieving and passing the Chiefs Game in HD if its the "primary game of the week" the rest of the time they will be upconverted.. The San Diego @
Kansas City is the primary game for week # 1. Then the next 3 Chiefs game will be upconverted. After the 4 weeks the new lineup will come out.
Does this make sense ?

OK, so I got tired of waiting on Cox to answer when, so I wrote into the Mercury (local paper in Manhattan) asking when we would get HDTV service over cable. Here is the part pertaining to things we like:

Q: Will Cox ever start offering an HDTV service in Manhattan? WIBW, KSNT and KTWU are all broadcasting in digital, including HDTV in primetime, but the hills surrounding Manhattan make it almost impossible for me to receive them over the air - so I need to get them through the cable company.
A: Yes. Cox spokeswoman Kristin Peck said Monday that the cable company plans to announce soon statewide availability of HD service, starting Sept. 2.
HDTV, for those of you like me who know nothing about television, means "high definition" TV. The picture is much clearer than regular TV.
Several broadcast stations have already begun to send out HD signals. Aside from those you mentioned, KTKA also does it. And several cable channels - ESPN, Discovery, HBO and Showtime - offer it as well. None of them necessarily offer the HD service 24/7, but it is available for some programming.
"Very few of them are doing it right now, but eventually everybody will be doing it," Peck said.
Anyway, as you might guess, there are a few catches:
.For you to receive the high-definition transmission, you're going to have to pay a premium to Cox. Peck said she wasn't ready yet to announce the pricing.
.In most cases, you'll have to buy a set-top box to handle the transmission.
.You'll have to have a television capable of handling HDTV. Those are running about $500 to $1,000 more than a regular set of the same size, according to Chuck Hattrup, service manager at Manhattan's Ace Midwest Hardware, which sells the sets.
"They're coming down more all the time," he said.





SOOOOO, it looks like September 2 is the magic date. I think the guy is wrong when he says KTKA does HD, I am pretty sure they are just digital. Someone correct me if I am wrong. Sounds like they might carry KTKA too.

KTKA is digital only. No HD.

I checked in with the folks at Cox tonight about their meeting on Saturday. They were not given an exact date for the HDTV rollout but were told it would be sometime in September. There will be a charge for the HD tier of channels and we will be required to buy our own Motorola box. The person I spoke with said the receivers will be available for purchase at Best Buy. She thought there would be six channels, including the network affiliates, but wasn't sure. If they carry all of the locals I think it should be more than six channels.

Apparently, Cox has very low expectations for HDTV cable in Topeka. In a perfect example of what comes first - the chicken or the egg - they won't rent the Motorola boxes unless the HD tier proves popular. I mentioned that would be rough on someone who shells out $500 only to find out a month later that Cox will rent the receivers. The Cox employee said that there was some mention of maybe offering some sort of buyback program in case Cox began renting an upgraded receiver. As you would guess, she doubted the buyback would cover what the receiver would actually cost.

I think it is a huge mistake to not rent the boxes. What advantage do they then have over sat.? All the satellite boxes have 8vsb tuners, so most can pickup locals that way.

I WILL NOT shell out $500 for a box just for the fact that I may move within 6 months to a location that has no cable access.

As far as the 6 channels, I would imagine HBO, SHO, Discover HD, ESPN HD, WIBW, and KSNT. I was wondering if they would carry KTWU.

Does anyone know if Manhattan would be included in DirecTv's Topeka Local channels?

Yes, if Directv finally does go ahead with the Directv channels, we would be able to get them. Manhattan is in the Topeka DMA.

We got a fax from a distrubtor today saying that COX will not offer boxes at all. And for the time being, the big box stores (Best Buy, Circuit City) will not be selling them. They will be Motorola DCT5100's with a retail price of $599.99 and only available at local retail stores. It looks like they will be offering all of the Topeka digitals (including KTKA) along with HBO, SHO, DISC-HD and ESPN-HD. The start date is Sept. 2nd.

This information is from a third source so it is subject to correction and/or change.

We also sell cable modems for COX. We called our contact person and they had no information except that it will be sometime in Sept. She said that they would let us know when they find out something.

Did you mean to say the big stores WILL be selling them along with you? I assume you are still at Wolfs?

Our distributor says that the deal COX had with Best Buy fell through and they (Best Buy) would NOT be selling them. He might just be telling us that to get us to sell them. We (Wolfe's) won't if BB and CC are selling them.

A customer told us that COX told him that BB would have the boxes tomorrow (Tuesday 8-26). So I guess we will find out then.

I don't think anybody knows what is going on for sure.

This is just idle chatter on my part, but why would a deal between Cox and the national chains fall through? Wouldn't the chain simply make a business decision to offer the decoders it buys and resales from Motorola in its Topeka store because corporate senses a new market? Why would Cox even be involved? Surely a Best Buy doesn't need Cox to act as a middle man with Motorola.

I'm not expecting answers back as much as I'm just expressing my frustration with the uncertainty surrounding this whole process.

Matthew

I am beginning to wonder if anyone really know what to expect.

In the new issue of TWICE magazine, Best Buy says they are participating with COX in limited test markets in Cleveland, Northern Virginia and Phoenix.

If they are not selling them here now, they will be someday.

More heresay: our customers said that he called BB on Monday and talked to the manager who had no idea what was going on.

I talked to one of the sales people ( he he) at BB and he said they would be selling the cable box, but that it would be a while ( I think he said it would a couple months). I don't think he really knew anything and pulled that out of the air.

I talked to Greg at Kiefs today and he said Motorola is trying to get them to sell the box. He said that we are going to have to buy the 5100 and that the price is $599. He also said that they have a OTA tuner that is $499 but don't remember the model number. Kiefs is having a Denon seminar tomorrow so I should find out more info tomorrow.

BJS188 are you the manager at Wolfe's and is your name Jerry? Just curious.

Originally posted by Craigslue
BJS188 are you the manager at Wolfe's and is your name Jerry? Just curious.

I am "a" manager (we have lots) at Wolfe's and my name is Brad. No one here named Jerry.

Sorry about that, it was Marty that I was thinking of, don't know where the
name Jerry came from, those !@#$ brain farts get me every time.

I bought my Samsung 165 from Marty and was wondering if you guys have as much trouble with KTWU using the 165 as I do. When I change the channel to KTWU it causes the 165 to reboot and reboot and reboot until it finally locks on an then seems OK, until they put up there station I.D. every hour and then the screen goes black and the only way to get it back is to change the channel and then go back to it and then it is fine.

Assuming that the Cox HDTV rollout will be statewide, I've been keeping a close eye on the Wichita thread. Over there Hippster reports that he spoke with a senior engineer at Cox and was told that the debut date is September 22.

Originally posted by Craigslue
Sorry about that, it was Marty that I was thinking of, don't know where the
name Jerry came from, those !@#$ brain farts get me every time.

I bought my Samsung 165 from Marty and was wondering if you guys have as much trouble with KTWU using the 165 as I do. When I change the channel to KTWU it causes the 165 to reboot and reboot and reboot until it finally locks on an then seems OK, until they put up there station I.D. every hour and then the screen goes black and the only way to get it back is to change the channel and then go back to it and then it is fine.

Marty asked if you would give him a call. 235-1386

Will do Brad. On second thought I think I will just come down to Wolfe's this afternoon.

We received a couple of the 5100's today. Called COX to activate it and they took all of the information and said that it will not receive a signal till Tuesday the 2nd. They are also going to send a tech out on Wednesday to make sure we have it hooked up right. Still no information on packages.

Cox cable tech just happened to be at my neighbors and my house fixing our cable that the squirrels have been eating and I asked him about cox hd. As of yesterday BB has no agreement to sell the Motorola 5100, at least not yet. As you see above Wolfe's will be selling them and it looks like Kief's in Lawrence will be selling them also, but don't hold me to that just yet! The tech asked me if my tv had DVI and I said no and he said that if I did I should wait for the new 6100 with DVI output. The tech said he was excited about doing HD on Cox cable. He said that he has seen the Discovery channel in HD and thought it was awesome. He also gave me the channels and what number they will be on of as yesterday but of course this could change.

KTKA ch. 601 or 604 or 501 or 504 (this one is hard to read on my list)
KSNT ch. 603
WIBW ch. 602
KTWU ch. 604
HBO ch.610
SHOW ch.615
ESPN ch.620
DISC ch. 621

The tech said that he thought the local ch. would be free and HBO and Showtime would be free if you already subscribe to those channels. He didn't know about ESPN and DISC. He said this could all change but this is what he knows from yesterdays meeting.

Awesome grab Craig. But damn that having to buy the boxes.

I would have to think KTKA will be HD soon if Cox is putting them in the HD lineup.

thoughts?

Ya I was surprised when I was looking out the door and there the Cox tech was by the truck. He seen me looking out the door and started walking toward me and asked if we have been having any trouble with my cable. I was just getting ready to go to Wolfe's and then head to Kief's in Lawrence. I started heading to my car and then I thought what am I doing, here's the chance to get some insider info. I talked to him while he fixed the cable up on the pole. This guy was great, he showed me his bad cable detector and what those !@#$ squirrels did to my cable. This all happened just before that storm started..

Since KMBC in KC is doing hd and KSNT and WIBW are also I'm sure that they will be forced to do it sooner than they want to.

Well at that price I will probably stick with Directv and antenna at least for now anyway. After just spending a bundle on new antennas,rotator,preamp and taller mast, not all installed yet I can't justify not using them and then buying a cable box. Even without the rotator installed I'm able to get all of
the KC channels except 62, and I can usually get it at night. If I was to get Cox cable I would be losing channels so for now I don't see Cox hd in my near future.

Is there anything proprietary about the Motorola 5100 that Cox will be using? I have access to a used 5100 from a non-Cox market. It would be a lot cheaper for me to buy it used and ship it here than buy a new one outright.

Check out this page for HDTV in Oklahoma City.
http://www.cox.com/okc/hdtv/hdtvpricing.asp

$499 for the box. Why are they charging $100 more here?? I just called one of the places listed on the box and they cannot sell to us because they have to go through the cable co when they sell them.

Brad: Not trying to take business away from you by calling those places, but why the difference? How about a special for you avs friends :)

I'll check with Marty. Also COX Kansas is going to charge more for programming than OKC. The rumor we heard is that ESPN HD or Discovery HD - a la carte is going to be $5.95 and together they are going to be $9.95. A dollar higher than OKC. We also heard the locals will be free, you won't even need to subscibe to digital cable. I'll have to see it before I'll believe it.

I imagine it's cheaper because they are not selling it at the full list price.
I think Marty told me that you will have to by it from a Cox cable retail outlet
and the boxes are tied to a particular zone or area. I think Cox will have a list of serial# and or bar codes and will only activate those on the list. Thats the way I understood what Marty told me. I'm sure that BJS188 and Marty at Wolfe's will have more info on this since they are selling the boxes.

Originally posted by timmy1376
Brad: Not trying to take business away from you by calling those places, but why the difference? How about a special for you avs friends :)

Marty said the $599.99 price is what the distributor & COX suggested we sell them for. But he will make a deal for any AVS Forum members in the COX Kansas area. You can call him at 235-1386 or 800-359-6533.

Quantities are going to be limited. We only ordered a few to begin with because we did not know who was going to sell them. We have since ordered more but the next few we get in are already spoken for.

I hav been bugginh Cox in Manhattan about the HD launch for a couple of weeks now. Good news: It will be up on Sept. 2. Bad news: Right now they are offering only 2 channels ESPNHD and Discovery as BJS mentioned above. Agreements have not been completed with any channels except WIBW, I believe. It will be a while before all channels are inplace. More bad news: they are not leasing boxes. We have to buy them at $599 (only place selling in Manhattan is Audio Junction at MSRP! And, they had only 2 as of earlier this week). Seems like before I make a decision on this, I want to see if all channels are up and running and what the price will be to get all of them.

Cheers.

Brad or anyone else, Did they get it turned on today??

What channels??

If only WIBW, that is terrible.

As of 4 pm, they have not been turned on, at least not on our box.

Hi. I am in Lawrence and was wondering if any one has HD on Sunflower Cable? I am getting increasingly closer to taking the HD plunge and am considering Sunflower as my source. Are they renting STBs or do you have to buy? How is the quality? Would appreciate whatever info you can give me.

Sunflower is renting the Motorola 5100s for $12.95/mo.

You have to subscribe to regular cable and the HD tier ($9.95/mo extra).

Quality is good when there is actual content available. They are currently having problems with delivering ESPN-HD, however. (It's available, but doesn't work all the time for some reason).

We did get our box turned on. As reported earlier, the only local that is on is WIBW. Since we are a showroom account, we don't get HBO or SHO. Discovery HD looks about the same as it does on DISH.

I may try to call KSNT and KTWU later today to see if they are coming, or if Cox has even talked to them.

I still dont get why only WIBW.

Gojhawks

If your are interested in checking sunflower cables hd you can go to Kief's
and check it out. They were beta testers for Sunflower.

Last time I checked Sunflower only had WIBW and KMBC for locals.

Thanks for the info on Sunflower Cable everyone. It will likely be a while longer until I take the HD plunge so hopefully will have some of the kinks worked out by then.

Anyone have HD from Cox turned on? What channels do they have so far? And....is the PQ good? Thanks.

Anyone???

Doesn't look like anyone want to pony up the $600 for WIBW, ESPN and Discovery. I wouldn't either.

I stopped by Wolfe's last week to check out the cable picture. I thought
the Discovery HD looked a lot better on Dish than on Cox cable when I compared them on the Samsung DLP they were hooked up too. The Cox picture looked soft and contrasty to me compared to Dish. Marty wasn't there and I couldn't figure out how to check and see what the 5100 was
set to put out 720p or 1080i? I think Marty should check and make sure that it is set to 720p for the Samsung DLP. I don't know what the Dish was set to but to me it looked a lot better and I assume it was set to 720p.
They should at least be set to the same so you can compare apples to apples and not apples to oranges. I did some reading and if Marty is unsure how to check and change the output setting all he needs to do is turn the 5100 off and then push the menu button on the 5100 and I think the setup menu should pop up on screen.

Has anybody else noticed that WIBW's audio seems to be out of sync when doing HD a lot of the time lately? Iv'e checked with both of my receivers and it is out of sync with both!

Last week they were broadcasting a couple of HD shows in SD and they have had the problem since they went back to HD. It wasn't a big deal for football but was very noticable during tennis.

Originally posted by Craigslue
I stopped by Wolfe's last week to check out the cable picture. I thought
the Discovery HD looked a lot better on Dish than on Cox cable when I compared them on the Samsung DLP they were hooked up too. The Cox picture looked soft and contrasty to me compared to Dish. Marty wasn't there and I couldn't figure out how to check and see what the 5100 was
set to put out 720p or 1080i? I think Marty should check and make sure that it is set to 720p for the Samsung DLP. I don't know what the Dish was set to but to me it looked a lot better and I assume it was set to 720p.
They should at least be set to the same so you can compare apples to apples and not apples to oranges. I did some reading and if Marty is unsure how to check and change the output setting all he needs to do is turn the 5100 off and then push the menu button on the 5100 and I think the setup menu should pop up on screen.

Marty did check and the COX guys did have the box set to 480p. Once he changed it to 720p, it did improve the picture. The COX picture is more contrasty then the DISH picture.

Most of the time you couldn't tell watching the football game because the announcers are in the back ground. But lately it's been like watching a bad
Japanese movie, sometimes it seems even worse than that!

I figured the 5100 had to be setup wrong, it was just to soft for HD. Guess
I'll have to come by this week to check it out!

The gal at Cox told me today when I called to shut off my Cox service they would have CBS, NBC, ABC, and PBS pretty quick. I am not sure she knew what I ment, but that is what she said.

Cox is totally out of it - their web site is not updated, not leasing STBs in KS, not supporting other brands, etc. etc. The HQ does not seem to be communicating very well with local offices either - people in Manhattan did not know even on Aug 30 that HD service was supposed to start on Sept. 2!! This company sucks. Wish it was not a monopoly. Wish I didn't live in such a small town!

Craig: Just read your post of 8/27/03 (I haven't been on the forum lately) regarding the Samsung 165 and Chan. 11 HD. I have the same problem with my 165 and was wondering if you found out what the problem is? I'm also having the same audio sync problem on HD 13 over the last 2 weeks or so. I also lost the HD picture and sound on the Chiefs game last Sunday for a period of time even though the Sammy showed I was Receiving HD and Dolby digital. I'm running the Samsung through a JVC 30K to output to my TV. Thanks, Steve.

Steve

Unfortunately I haven't found out what the problem is with KTWU. It almost has to be that PSIP info is not set correctly, or maybe it has something to do with broadcasting a HD and SD signal at the same time.
I get all the KC ch's except Fox, which most in KC can't get either and KTWU is the only one that does this. KCPT broadcasts 3 SD ch's and I have no problem with them. I emailed KTWU about the problem and got a response from somebody in programing I believe that said he would relay my problem to the engineer, but said the engineer had told him that the digital ch's were set up correctly. Funny thing is the person that emailed me said he had problems with the SD ch with his PC HD tuner card! Maybe you should send them an email and let them know that you are having problems also.

I watched WIBW last night and didn't seem to have any problems with audio, hopefully that is fixed now. The audio problem was getting very annoying. I was also having problems with the Chiefs game, blank screen, big green blocks covering part of the screen along with audio sync problems. I also have the JVC and I sure wish all the stations would get there clocks set to the right time!

Craig: Re: KTWU HD: I forgot to add that I also had the same problem with chan. 19 HD in K.C. when they first came on line last year. Eventually it cleared up and I have no problems locking onto their signal now. I'm between Topeka and Lawrence and receive all the K.C. (except FOX) and Topeka signals. Sometimes K.C. gets a little weak and I lose them, but I think it's weather related. I'll e-mail KTWU. Thanks for the reply. Steve.

I noticed this on a thread about Cox cable and checked out the Cox website for this interesting tidbit:

"Cox Northern Virginia responded to customer feedback, which indicated that HD subscribers prefer the convenience of leasing an HD set-top box monthly to purchasing one at a substantial expense. Since new Cox HD customers must now lease their HD set-top boxes effective September 22nd, third party retailers such as Best Buy have chosen to no longer sell the boxes. If you already own an HD set-top box, you may continue to use it."

I sent a strong but polite e-mail to Cox earlier this week voicing my displeasure at being required to buy the Motorola box. After reading about Cox in Virginia I'll be asking my friends to call or e-mail Cox about this as well. If we complain enough, they may actually listen.

Man, are there ever a lot of cobwebs in this thread. I hope Topkea folks are still out there. I know I've seen some posts from familiar names on other threads.

While attending a trade show today I spoke with someone from Cox about their refusal to lease the HDTV boxes. They immediately got on their cell phone and called to ask someone in the know. The response was that Cox will begin leasing the set-top decoder boxes on December 11 for a monthly charge of $9.95. Apparently they have to wait for some sort of regulatory approval before they can start leasing the boxes - thus the December date.

While complications could certainly arise, I would view this information as credible.

Matt:
It would also help if they had more than one local channel. Just a thought.

tim

Hi I have been reading this forum and have a few stupid questions that I hope you all can help with.

Here is my setup: Hitachi 51S500 TV, Samsung SIR-TS160 DirecTV receiver, Winegard HD9085 Antenna

I get all channels in pretty good (ABC, CBS, NBC). 77% on all channels with no reception problems.

On the PBS stations I get them in at 100% but they are hit and miss. The PBS ones go from 100 to 0 and loose signal for a few seconds constantly.

I am getting ABC but nothing is in HD.

My channels are listed as 11-1, 11-2, 13-1, 27-1, and 49-1. Is this normal? I thought the HD channels were supposed to be numbered differently?

Ok here are my Q's:

--Why do the PBS channels drop in and out when I have 100% signal strength?

--Is it ok that all my channels are using the -1 numbering system? I.e... 13-1, 49-1 ect......?

--Is KTKA going to do HD?

BTW, I live in Topeka and am in the 17th and Fairlawn area.... Thanks in advance! :)

I can answer some of LunkHead's questions. None of them are stupid.

PBS: I don't know the official reason, but my KTWU is more "glitchy" than my other channels as well. I think that's the price we pay for OTA (over-the-air).

-1 Numbering: One of the benefits of digital broadcasting is the ability to broadcast multiple signals, or subchannels. For example, although the NFL won't allow it, the technology would allow WIBW to broadcast the Chiefs game on 13-1 and another game on 13-2. Unfortunately, that doesn't allow for actual hi-def on 13-1. In Topeka, KTWU broadcasts childrens' programs on its subchannel, 11-2. Your Samsung masks the real channel numbers with the traditional analog channel numbers as a convenience.

KTKA: They're too cheap to do news and apparently they're too cheap to do HDTV.

Originally posted by LunkHead
--Why do the PBS channels drop in and out when I have 100% signal strength?

--Is it ok that all my channels are using the -1 numbering system? I.e... 13-1, 49-1 ect......?

--Is KTKA going to do HD?

BTW, I live in Topeka and am in the 17th and Fairlawn area.... Thanks in advance! :) [/B]

Not knowing anything specific about your location, the PBS problem could be related to a signal that is TOO strong. If you're using a preamp, try turning it off. I had this problem with KCWE-DT 31 (29.1) from KC. It could also be caused by interference at your location (power lines, motors, solenoids, etc.). Try turning of heat, a/c, fans, and refrigerator. If it stops, you may be able to ground the antenna or use a different preamp (if applicable). It could also be caused by traffic (like large trucks) if you're near, and not elevated above, a busy road. I'm in Lawrence, get the Topeka PBS station at about 90%, and it never breaks up. Not even during thunderstorms.

The channel numbers you're seeing are correct. Topeka's ABC (KTKA-DT), NBC (KSNT-DT), CBS (WIBW-DT), and PBS (KTWU-DT) broadcast on 48, 28, 44, and 23 respectively, but they "remap" their channel numbers to the analog equivalent so that they are familiar to the viewer. Of note to other members from Lawrence - these are all broadcasting a signal strong enough to receive OTA on the west side Lawrence, but KSNT requires some dedication if you want it.

Someone else will have to answer the question about KTKA doing HD.

Thanks for the fast responses! :)

I am not using a pre-amp or an amp on the antenna. All of the channels are rock solid with no break up whatsoever except the PBS ones. They come in crystal clear for about a minute or so then they loose the signal and sound for a few seconds, then back on crystal clear again for a few minutes... I will try and disconnect electrical stuff and see how that works...

No ABC MNF in HD? That sucks!!!!!! Come on KTKA everyone else in Topeka does HD

Does the KC ABC station do HD and if so could I get it with my antenna if I added an amp? My antenna is a Winegard HD9085

Thanks in advance!

Originally posted by LunkHead
Does the KC ABC station do HD and if so could I get it with my antenna if I added an amp? My antenna is a Winegard HD9085.

KMBC-DT 7 (9.1) out of KC is broadcasting at full power and passes all of ABCs HD programming (including ABC MNF tomorrow night!) straight through. I am able to pick it up very easily on the far west side of Lawrence (I'm 43.9 miles west-southwest of the tower). It sounds like you're about 20 miles west-northwest of me, which would put you roughly 60 miles west of the tower.

The HD9085 (http://www.winegard.com/offair/pdf/hd9085p.pdf) is a highly directional UHF antenna. KMBC-DT 7 is a VHF station. One would generally think it would therefore not work, but I'm able to pick it up very well with my east-facing CM4221 UHF antenna, so it may be possible in Topeka with your antenna.

You should go to antennaweb.com and find out the exact direction to point your antenna to pick up KMBC-DT. My uneducated guess is that you'll need a preamp to make it work, but I'd try without it first. Note that KMBC-DT currently broadcasts between 12:00pm and 12:00am only, so it's pointless to try until then.

Regarding your PBS problem...if you have a spare splitter hanging around, try putting it somewhere in your cable run to reduce the signal strength a bit and see if it makes a difference. I don't think there's anything wrong with what KTWU is sending out. I'm using a Sony SAT-HD200 receiver and it comes in great.

I agree Lunkhead, that you are probably getting too much signal. I am pretty sure their tower, with them broadcasting at 800 some kW, is pretty close.

For reference:
KTWU 892kW I think
WIBW 94kW
KSNT 4kW
KTKA 25kW

I have the same problem getting PBS. If I adjust my antenna to get PBS, I loose CBS. I have a set top antenna that I use when I want to pick up PBS.

On another topic, rumor has it that COX will start leasing HD boxes on Nov. 1st.

Thanks for all the help guy's. I tired turning off all the electrical stuff in the house with the same result. I think it's probably the too much signal situation. My antenna is pointed at about 290 degrees or in between the 2 broadcasting towers. I might try moving the antenna a bit and see if that helps.

Here is the info from AntennaWeb.

* yellow KTWU-DT 23 PBS Topeka KS Now Live 319°
* yellow KSNT-DT 28 NBC Topeka KS Now Live 323°
* yellow WIBW-DT 44 CBS Topeka KS Now Live 258°
* yellow KTKA-DT 48 ABC Topeka KS Now Live 262°

Thanks in advance!

Hmmn. Well, KMBC-DT 7 ABC is going to be located at approximately 90° from your location.

It is too bad the good folks of Topeka did not get the chance to watch the Chiefs in HiDef on MNF because of KTKA's lack of money. I stopped watching them last November when they missed a deadline to go digital. I won't watch them until they start broadcasting in HD.

I stopped watching them when they cut the news. And now I hear they cut talk of the town also. Truly a lower class station.

I have said this before and probably this this thread, but it's sad that our capitol only has 4 full power stations, with only 2 doing news. We don't have an WB or UPN station or even a PAX. I wish some rules could change to allow us to receive out of town (Wichita) UPN and WB stations via either satellite or translator stations, kinda like Fox 43 does with their low powers in Junction City, Salia, Emporia.

Enough ranting.... for now.

I don't know if Jeff Groves is still following this thread, but does anyone know if WIBW will be broadcasting Enterprise and Jake 2.0 in HD? I wouldn't be surprised if there were some technical reason they couldn't, but just in case I'm up really late this weekend, will they be HD?

Probably not, since he has no way of recording HD and these would have to be recorded.

I've never tried to get an HDTV signal. I don't have anything that can tune in HDTV, but I'm considering buying a DVHS vcr. Would it be possible to get the Topeka stations with just a small indoor antenna? I can get Channels 11, 13, 27, 49 right now with the small antenna. Would I have trouble getting the HDTV versions of these channels? Is it easier or harder to receive the HDTV signals? Whether or not I buy the DVHS vcr would depend on whether I can actually get some signals, so any information about this would be very helpful to me.

I don't live in Topeka, so I can't help you much with the antenna questions, but your approx. location would help out the other folks on this thread.

I just want to make you aware that all current DVHS machines do not include an ATSC (digital tv) tuner. They only include the old NTSC tuner right now.

On top of the DVHS deck, you will have to get a digital tv tuner (Set Top Box) with a firewire output. Right now the only STB that has this output is the Samsung SIR-T165. There are also some Mits HDTVs that have an integrated tuner with the output.

The STB receives the signal and sends it to the DVHS deck using firewire. When you play back a tape the DVHS deck sends it back to the STB using firewire and then the STB sends it on to your HDTV using HD Component or DVI.

I have the Samsung SIR-T165 Set Top Box and the Mits HS-HD2000U DVHS Deck. This has worked perfectly for me in Kansas City.

hdtimmy is correct about both things. Your more precise location would help, but in most cases, an indoor antenna IN Topeka would probably net you WIBW, KSNT, and KTWU. I left off KTKA because of their lower power and distance of the actual tower from Topeka.

You would have to get an STB that has an digital tuner to feed the DVHS machine, unless you bought an HDTV card for your computer and you have firewire on your computer. You then can record the programs you want, and use DVHSTool and transfer them to DVHS.

Post again to see if we can help more!

Rumor of the Day:

Cox is coming out with a cheaper internet package with download speed of 256k and up of 56k for $24.95 a month, probably around December 1st. You have to sub to the basic cable package.

Also, and this is the good part, they hope to have ABC, meaning KTKA, and FOX, meaning KTMJ, on their digital lineup soon. I know what you are thinkng about KTMJ, but I called them and they are moving into a new facility around the first of the year and the lady told me they would be digital then, but the kicker is: cable only. No over the air digital.

another rumor on the Wichita thread, if you have a box that will decode QAM and cable internet, the digital gateway is open and you should at least see WIBW. Anyone want to try?

We got work from COX today that INHD1 and INHD2 are being added to the channel list on Nov.15th. COX will only offer professional install for COX HD box. Cost is $49.95 per TV. THe promotion for COX HD: $9.95 per month to lease an HD box and the HD channels are free ( I assume they mean local channels). Discovery HD Theater is free for the first six months and $5.95 after. The sheet shows that ESPN is free. Not sure if this is true. COX customer service number is 866-719-2455. Currently the only local in Topeka is CBS.

I am on hold with Cox now for my cable internet, and the lady told that ABC in topeka would be active Dec. 15th along with InHD1 and InHD2.

take it for what it's worth. Fox is not there yet, but coming I was told.

the lady told that ABC in topeka would be active Dec. 15th

Is this standard definition KTKA or is this KTKA passing along an HDTV signal to Cox even though they don't broadcast it themselves?

Originally posted by MatthewT
Is this standard definition KTKA or is this KTKA passing along an HDTV signal to Cox even though they don't broadcast it themselves?

I have a call in to KTKA and she will talk to the engineer and get back to me tomorrow. I hope it's not like Fox where it will be HDTV on cable and SDTV over the air.

I'll post back tomorrow.

Can anyone help? I have a Sammy 165 feeding through a Mits 30K via firewire. I can receive all the digital signals, HD or SD, from Topeka or KC (except WDAF) and pass them through the Mits. I cannot get ch 13 HD to pass through the Mits via firewire. The Sammy 165 locks onto the signal and will put ch 13 out via componet cables. I just had the 165 in for repair and it appears they updated the software/firmware. I had this problem with ch 13 digital before I sent the unit in for repair. The problem started about the first of Sept. Thanks.

Originally posted by MatthewT
Is this standard definition KTKA or is this KTKA passing along an HDTV signal to Cox even though they don't broadcast it themselves?

Neither!:rolleyes:

I got bit by some bad information guys. KTKA will not be carried by Cox on their digital tier untill they HD, which the lady told me will be in about a year. So, we will probably miss most of Monday Night Football in HD next year too.

sorry guys.

Cox is terrible as far as getting locals in HD. 2 outta 3 in Topeka are not even being carried.

Originally posted by timmy1376
Cox is terrible as far as getting locals in HD. 2 outta 3 in Topeka are not even being carried.

It looks like Wichita is not much better. The note I have from COX shows that they only carry the ABC station.

KCTV, Ch 5, CBS in Kansas City is broadcasting in HD, Dolby Pro Logic. Noticed primetime this evening. Don't know when they started.

I stopped by Cox in Topeka today and was told the date for leasing boxes has been pushed back to December 15.

I get the install tonight. we will report back thursday to tell how it goes. will be using a projector and I have high hopes for basketball in HD.

Jonas

Looks darn good.
the picture is easily 75% better than the ntsc picture. it is great watching the whole half court in one screen.
the projector i am using has only composite and dvi inputs so I am not even looking at the component image yet.
I can only guess what it will look like then. still sucks that we only get cbs local.

jonas

Are the InHD channels available now?

Yeah, if they do have the InHD channels, I might have to break down and try it for a while. Maybe by baseball season they will have more locals.

This may be more appropriate over in Hardware, but I thought I'd try it here first. I got my Motorola 6200 the other day from Cox. While the box seems to work fine, I can no longer get cable on my TV without using the box.

With my old cable box, I could watch cable without using the Motorla box but I obviously needed to use the box if I wanted to watch something on digital cable. Now, the 6200 is successfully sending hi-def to the television and everything else to my VCR, but it won't send a signal to the TV unless the box itself is turned on and I'm watching digital cable. The VCR is properly connected because it can record digital cable and it will play on the TV.

I'm wondering if this is because the 6200 doesn't have an RF bypass. Is anyone familiar with this or provide some assistance?

Thanks.

Any new news anyone know of in Topeka?? I got a note from the GM at KSNT and he said they were still talking to Cox about their carriage on the digital side. He also said they just installed a new analog transmitter?? Anyone notice anything?

Also, could someone call KTMJ to see if you get the same story I did about feeding a digital signal to Cox for HD next season??

Does anyone know where the central location is that Directv is going to use for Topeka locals this spring?? In Wichita, they are already setup at the Fox station. I would guess that might be the case in Toepka since from what I heard from KTMJ that they would feed Cox via fiber, they might do the same for Directv.

Jeff, can you chime in?? Anyone?? Also, I know WIBW is airing some UPN programs, but what about WB? I know KTKA and Cox partner on a cable only WB, but what about us with Directv? Any way to get some WB programming like Gilmore Girls, Charmed, and Smallville?? Would KTKA air those in an overnight time slot??

Somewhere I DIRECTV's website, I found that the central pickup point will be 301 SW Wanamaker. This is KTWU's tower location.
http://www.directv.com/lrf/lrf.html

I received a letter from Cox in the mail today announcing a number of price increases, effective March 1. Fortunately, there will also be some additions to the channel lineup. Although I've never heard of most of the channels - they'll go in the 200 tier - one of the additions is Starz! HD.

A lil birdie told me, that Echostar is in town looking for a location to set up their equipment. They want to be up with Topeka locals in February (as is DirectV).

I signed up for Cox HD service now that they are actually leasing the box. As someone else posted above, the lease cost id $9.95 per month plus tax. The "free" HD channels are IN1, IN2 and WIBW. The pay HD channels are Discover and ESPH-HD each $5.95 per month (may be a slight discount if both are ordered). One could also order HBO-HD and Showtime-HD as premium channels. Right now, they are running a special: HBO-HD free for 3 months and Discover-HD free for 6 months. I have only basic cable - I was told I cannot get ESPN-HD unless I have at least extended basic or digital cable. In addition, one is also required to subscribe to their digital programming guide in order to sign up for HD (any HD) which adds another $6 per month to the cost. Furthermore, they are not letting people do self-install - it costs $50 for the 5 minute installation. So....with the package I ordered (IN1, IN2, Discover, WIBW, HBO-HD, box, digital programming guide), the cost with about $19 per month plus the cost of cable. Plus, of course, the $50 install charge. I will, of course, cancel HBO after the 3 month free period and perhaps even the Discover after 6 months. Once Cox gets around to signing agreements with the other network stations, they will be available at no extra charge.

As usual, it was a crappy experience dealing with Cox. First, no matter how much I pleaded, they would not let me do self-install for the box. Then they said I cannot get ESPN-HD because I have only basic cable. Third, they tacked on the digital prograaming guide, which I did not want but had no choice. If one could afford the $750 up front charge, Voom seems like a better deal in the long run (but no local channels in HD). Living in this small town really limits your choices and subjects one to all the disadvantages of having to deal with a monopoly.

Oh..the install is scheduled for Jan. 20. I will post a report once I test it out.

Sliderman: Please tell me you've been on a waiting list for that HD box for more than a month, like I have. If not, some Cox employee is about to have an accident (just kidding, for any federal authorities ;) ). I'm in Manhattan as well, and every time I call about it I get the same non-answer. Now I'm afraid I won't have it in time for the Super Bowl. (see my other thread for more on this topic)

I think there is something all of us should read if you like CBS's HD channel.

Now before I link it, I am not saying this will happen. But the GM of WIBW in Topeka basically wrote this saying this was their plans. But I doubt they will go through with them unless the FCC says cable will have to carry all the multicast channels.

READ PAGES 39 - 44 FOR WIBW SPECIFICS:

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6515582752

Thoughts?? I for one am fine with most of it. Jeff will just have to figure out a way to get those other channels in there without giving up too much on the HD channel.

Jeff, I would love to hear your thoughts on this if you still come here. I wonder if one of the channels would be UPN?? How many subchannels are you guys thinking??

Brett,

I wish I could remember the exact date when I first went to sign up for HD with Cox. It was, I believe, near the middle of December. After discussing all the issues, I said "OK, I will sign up and when can you install it?" The woman said "Oh, we don't have any boxes right now and there is one person ahead of you in the list." I called again early in January to check on the status and was told that they did not get a response from the person ahead of me in the list and she told me that if they did not hear from that person the next day, I can have the box (which I did and got it). So...it will be about a month between when I first requested it and when it will be installed (tomorrow - Jan 20).

Sorry to hear about your troubles. I hope you get it soon. I dealt with Bard at 539-5756 - if that will help.

Cheers.

Timmy,

I looked at the document to which you linked but didn't quite understand the implications. Could you please provide a Readers' Digest version for dummies? Thanks!

Timmy, i glanced at those pages> It appears to deal with multicasting. While KTWU is already multicasting (1HD and 1SD), it appears that this is the reason they aren't on Cox HD. What would happen to WIBW (the only local on Cox HD), if they too started multicasting? Have you started building a tower, yet?:D

Sliderman,
I think the implications would be a reduction in HD quality, or a loss of HD from WIBW. I really don't think the latter will happen, but I also wonder if the FCC would require cable companies to carry all the multicast channels.

An example:

44.1 The main CBS channel
44.2 WIBW's 24 hour news channel
44.3 State and local govt. channel + KSU, KU, and Washburn sports
44.4 Weather radar

Take the 19.2 mbs bandwidth, and give the HD channel 14 mbs, .2 gets 2mbs, .3 gets 2mbs, and the weather radar gets 1mbs. Try watching football in HD with 14 mbs or less.


I am totally not saying WIBW will start multicasting. I am saying if the FCC forces digital multicast carriage, they could.

If multicasting is why KTWU is not carried, then why is KSNT and KTKA not??? Cox is so totally off the ball on this, it it pathetic.

OK..Cox installed the HD box on Tuesday as promised. The tech came right on time and installed the box quickly using component cables. The channels I get now are DiscoveryHD, WIBW and HBOHD. I have to say the Discovery channels is absolutely spectacular on my Samsung HLN5065W DLP unit. It is 10 times better than the DVD picture with a DVI connection. I was absolutely stunned by the picture quality and clarity. I watched Two and a half men on HD and also the state of the union on HD. They looked good but not as amazing as Discovery. HBO-HD also looks good - a notch better than my DVD picture, but again not as amazing as Discovery. The tech kept saying how amazing the picture was - and for a while it looked like he didn't want to leave! It would be nice when we eventually get ABC and NBC also from Topeka. I am so looking forward to seeing the Superbowl in HD!! I did not get ESPN-HD since I do not at this time have extended basic cable. PM me if yoou have questions.

Cheers.

What a crock you cannot get ESPN because of no extended basic.

Do you also get the INHD channels??

Timmy,

Yes I do get the INHD channels - but they are all PPV!! This was not mentioned to me when I signed up for this. Am I missing something here...are they supposed to be free? Incidentally, I now have access to a whole lot of PPV channels because of the STB. I too did not understand the link between extended basic and ESPN-HD.

Timmy,

After checking some more, I think what happend was that the tech "forgot" to activate the INHD channels (I am supposed to get those for free). For all channels, he had to call the office to activate each channel separately (except WIBW). I will call Cox tomorrow and have those activated. Thanks for the heads-up on this!

Cheers.

Well, it looks like my weeks of nagging finally paid off :p ! I spoke to someone at Cox on Tuesday, during which I was informed that I was added to "the list" on January 6. Of course, this made me quite unhappy given the fact that I was supposed to be in line since about Dec. 16th! The rep was quite a bit more helpfull than any others I've dealt with so far, and she told me she would contact some guy in charge of these call-backs and get back to me. Later that day I had a message on my machine and an appointment for Sat. morning. She also told me about some package they're selling at Best Buy for $10 that includes a bunch of coupons that should save me more than that amount, so now I have to run up there (from Manhattan) on Friday. The free install will save $50 alone. Like Sliderman, I tried for the self install and got shot down :rolleyes:. I'm not sure I like the idea of the cable guy poking around behind my component rack, and it's pretty confined space. We'll see. But at any rate, I'm in for HD Superbowl! Yeah! :D For the folks who aren't new at this, how good is WIBW at not screwing up the HD broadcasts with techical problems? Btw, the Cox rep also mailed me a quick reference brochure, and I was disappointed to see that the HD box does not have a DVI out. I was looking forward to finally using that on my new Mits :( .

OK...Cox officially sucks. I am now being told that I can not get INHD1 and 2 because I do not subscribe to their expanded basic service! This was after they would not even let me BUY ESPN-HD for the same reason. I am firing off a letter to the GM of Cox in Kansas.....lot of good that is going to do me! What a bunch of morons.

Brett..glad things worked out for you. WIBW HD is OK...but not as good as Discovery. I saw a few prime time programs in HD on WIBW. But..superbowl should be good.

I also called Cox about DVI. My box actually has a DVI out but it is not activated!! I was told that this was because of copyright issues (similar to Bravo D1). So... we have to settle for component. I called after that fact that when I hooked up the box with DVI cable, there was no signal.

Sliderman,
I coulda told you Cox sucks months ago. I was told I had to have expanded basic + digital cable for the HD package.

Try telling them you will get expanded if they will give you a deal. So basically all you get it 2 channels, WIBW and Discovery, and if you pay extra HBO. Plus Discovery will cost sooner or later.

NICE!

WIBW does a great job of not screwing up HD. I think they have an automated switcher the switches from SD to HD at the right times. KSNT is getting better at turning HD on whan it should be on. Unfortantly, their SD to HD up converter is not as good as WIBW's. Their SD (on digital channel) stuff looks soft to me.

Timmy,

After a lot bitching, I was offered: credit for the installtion ($49.95) and $29.95 for the first month of expanded basic (which I declined). But you are right: after three months, the only channel I will get at no extra cost will be WIBW; after that if I want Discovery HD or HBO, I have to pay for each channel separately. What kills me is that they would not let me PURCHASE ESPN-HD!! Talk about turning away paying customers - freaking absurd IMHO. God, how I hate Cox. Anyway letters went out today to the GM of Cox Kansas and President of Cox in Atlanta.

Originally posted by timmy1376
I am totally not saying WIBW will start multicasting. I am saying if the FCC forces digital multicast carriage, they could.

If multicasting is why KTWU is not carried, then why is KSNT and KTKA not??? Cox is so totally off the ball on this, it it pathetic.

Why is Cox 'totally off the ball'? It takes both the local stations and Cox to come up with an agreement. I wouldn't doubt if the whole multicast issue is a reason why other HD stations are not on cable right now. The cable industry isn't to keen on the idea of having to carry every channel a broadcaster offers and I don't blame them.

I want the HD locals just as bad everyone else and I'll probably go with an OTA receiver.

Well, the Cox tech came and went today, and nothing worked or is working. Basically all I got was a new silver clock with an ugly orange display. This particular guy was out of ideas, so someone is supposed to come at some unknown time on Monday to get things working. Call me crazy, but I personally think it's terrible customer service to leave someone with a non-working box, not to mention the fact that I now have to pull everything apart again, move my heavy-ass speaker, and be at home for another appointment.

Sliderman: I guess you can't complain now, because at least you are getting some channels ;)! I'm still stuck in analog land.

Ok, i'm new to this forum, but I live in Topeka and get HD service via Cox. It sucks. You don't get all the local channels, and the picture/audio skips quite a bit. I haven't read all the pages, but i'm sure this has been brought up before. /endrant. Thanks!

Brett, hope they fix it today. My installation went pretty smoothly.

Saul: Actually, with the 3-HD channels I get now, the PQ ia pretty good. I have not noticed any skipping at all so far on Disocvery, HBO or WIBW.

Disocovery and HBO repeat their programs a LOT - and WIBW/CBS has very few programs in HD. After the initial euphoria of getting HD...I am on to the next stage - which is being bothered about lack of content!! I have heard a similar feelings from others on this board as well. I must again say the Disocvery HD PQ is simply stunning. HBO is OK but it is not true HD.

Slider: hm..I hope its just not me. It depends on the time. If im watching HDTV in the morning, I don't get the audio skip problem..but in the "heavy viewing hours", around 5-10 pm, I get it quite a bit on all of the HD channels (through Cox). Does anyone else have these problems? Also..I heard someone talking about setting the DCT5100 to 720p instead of 1080i..is this possible?

n/m..got it to 720p, but it just results in a garbled display.

Are you Topeka folks able to get ABC and NBC in HD via Cox? I'm wondering about the progress of adding the locals to my HD lineup in Manhattan. I would especially like ABC by Oscar night! I sent an email to the GM of KTKA asking about it, but I have yet to receive a reply for almost 2 weeks. This is in addition to the email I sent previously to the "general" address. I guess no one is reading their email over there. Of course, Cox has never been too forthcoming with the info on new channels. I would think the demand indicated by the backlog on the HD boxes would indicate that the interest is high enough that Cox should be jumping to add channels. Anyone know anything?

I know that Cox is not carrying NBC or ABC or anyone except for WIBW in the Topeka DMA. All they carry in Wichita is ABC, which is owned by the same company that WIBW is.

BTW, ABC in Topeka doesn't do HDTV, and won't as far as I know for a year or so. So don't expect KTKA on Cox for a while. Now about NBC, who knows. Call, not email, the GM of KSNT, and ask. I cannot get KTKA to email back either.

tim

I have also tried to contact KTKA. My hails are returned by total silence.

I simply asked them if they had an HD timetable. I also asked that if they didn't or couldn't comment to indicate so.

Nothing.

I had never contacted any affiliates before starting my HD hobby. I have since tried to contact all of them in KC and Topeka. It's pretty easy to tell which ones you want to watch, and which ones shouldn't even exist.

Channel 7 in KC is an ABC affiliate and is at full power. I'm picking it up with a preamped 66" channel master UNDER roof in East Topeka. In Lawrence, if your not in a valley, you should pick up most high power offerings from both Topeka and KC

I received a letter today from Cox with some new channel and pricing information as of March 1. The only new HD channel is Starz, though. Meh...

Is the 10:00 news on WIBW upconverted? I don't normally watch it, but I happened to catch a bit last night. It seemed like looked better than it should for SD and better than on the "regular" version of the channel (i.e. channel 602 vs 13 on Cox). I've just never noticed it before, and it struck me as surprising. Then again, maybe I don't know what I'm talking about :D !

Yeah, it should be upconverted to 1080i, so it should look much better than analog 13.

I believe WIBW upconverts everything, not just the news.

Hi again, I am not sure if this is the right place to put this so if it not then I apologize! I have changed to COX because my trees were hindering my DirecTV reception. I was told I would have to chop down a tree in the front and that was not going to happen. My loss is someone’s gain...

I have a 2-month-old Hughes HDL-HD receiver with DVI cable, access card, and remote. Box and all are included. Retail cost for this unit is $500 but I am letting it go for $200 (what it cost me for the switch to COX)

The unit is in brand new shape and operates great. Serious offers only please. Let me know if interested. Thanks and have a great day!

Was paying my internet bill on Cox.com and went to the channel lineup for Manhattan, and it used to say, ABC (only Wichita) and CBS, but now they are also listing NBC on channel 601 and PBS on channel 604. They took away the in Wichita on ABC channel 602. I bet it's a mistake, but does anyone want to look?

Well, no HD NCAA basketball so far. See my post in the thread in the HD programming section. Bottom line is that I called over there and came away somewhat confused. We're only getting the KU game in HD. If someone else can convince them otherwise, please do. Being in Big 12 country, I think we should at least get OSU too.

I assume from you post in the other thread you probably talked to Jeff. If he mentioned a problem with commercials, then they are probably having techinal issues, since they have been automated switching for a while now. If you didn't talk to Jeff, call back and ask for Jeff Groves. He will know the full story.

tim

Thanks to Jeff Groves and Mike, at WIBW for working their butts off, too get us most of the KU game in HD, last night. Thanks for all your efforts. Good work!
Mart

Thanks to Jeff Groves and Mike, at WIBW for working their butts off, too get us most of the KU game in HD, last night. Thanks for all your efforts. Good work!

Sorry, but I can't be quite so enthusiastic. We only got one game out of four in HD yesterday, and it was 45 min. before that kicked in (at least for me, via Cox). I suppose that still counts as "most of the KU game," but not by much. I would get a periodic blip of black or green screen and my 5.1 indicator would light, but then it would go back to SD. Does anyone know what happened? I tried calling, but all I got was an answering machine with the option to leave a message regarding "weather related cancellations." I still don't understand what was done differently with the KU broadcast that would have prevented them from showing the other HD games! I'm glad I didn't have any guests over, or this would have really been embarassing. Hopefully they have their act together for tomorrow.

Brett,
I would guess they were having tech problems either with the feed, their switcher, or something. I don't get WIBW but they have consistently been the best in town. Try this number next time, 785-272-NEWS (6397)
but remember they are probably only answering the phone during business hours.

tim

It looks like WIBW must have gotten their switcher working again. Friday night during the KU game, they did not swich to local commercials on the HD channels. Saturday and Sunday, they were back switching.

(not HD) But Topeka locals are up on Dish at 105 (Superdish required)

Good news guys, KTWU should be on Cox with their HD signal by June. I just talked with the GM over there and Cox signed an agreement with national PBS to carry them in their markets, he said maybe a month, and we should get PBS.

With NBC (national) announcing that they are adding a weather channel to their digital stations, it should keep them off cable for even a longer time.

Timmy, have you heard anymore on FOX being added to COX? It would be nice to see them if they are going to do six HD NFL games each week this fall.

Originally posted by BJS188
With NBC (national) announcing that they are adding a weather channel to their digital stations, it should keep them off cable for even a longer time.

Timmy, have you heard anymore on FOX being added to COX? It would be nice to see them if they are going to do six HD NFL games each week this fall.

I called and left a message with the GM of KSNT, but I don't really expect a call back.

As far as Fox, I called and left a message for the engineer but I have never, after about 4 messages, gotten a response from him. Great service huh? I just emailed the GM so we will see if I get anything back.

tim

I emailed both FOX 43 and KTKA and have not heard anything back. The Chiefs are on MNF three times so it would be nice to see them in HD in this area. Can you pick up KTKA-DT in Manhattan?

I cannot get anything where I live. Thus my reliance on Cox to get it to me.

I know a guy due south of Manhattan on the Interstate and he said he couldn't get KTKA, but I am not sure if he has tried lately.

Originally posted by BJS188
With NBC (national) announcing that they are adding a weather channel to their digital stations, it should keep them off cable for even a longer time.

Well, hopefully that only covers NBC owned and operated stations and not KSN here in KS. There's still hope.

I was reading a post on dslreports.com and it mentioned that in 3 years, another cable company would be in Topeka, and Cox would be gone. Does that seem right?

Originally posted by timmy1376
I was reading a post on dslreports.com and it mentioned that in 3 years, another cable company would be in Topeka, and Cox would be gone. Does that seem right?

No, that doesn't sound right. However, if you could provide a link it would make for some interesting reading...

Keep in mind this is basically a jorunal:

also keep in mind the guy talks alot about getting his GED(no offense to anyone getting or got their GED):

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,7625474~mode=journal

It's the post from March 2.

The only thing I can think of is that COX's franchise agreement with Topeka may expire in 3 years. Doesn't mean that COX will go away.

Hey everyone. I'm a newbie to the HD/SD TV world...haven't made the jump yet, just doing research. Your posts have been extremely helpful.

My plan is for a HD built-in TV or a HD ready with separate OTA receiver and some sort of antenna (holding off on Cox until they ramp up the number of HD channels).

From what I've read, WIBW is broadcasting the most HD. Is KSNT broadcasting any?

Also, I understand it may be a while before KTKA is up and running. I saw someone earlier on the eastside of town was able to pickup KMBC out of KCK. Has anyone on the southwest side of town been able to get it (in the 29th & Gage area or further west)? If so, what is the minimum antenna that I' need to hit it?

Thanks in advance:)

Brad, first off, welcome.

WIBW does the most HD of the Big 3. KTKA is up digital, but not HD. KSNT does the NBC HD shows in HD. KTWU also is doing some HD.

not sure about the rest of your questions.

tim

KTWU is currently showing HD 6 to midnight on 23-1 and PBS kids on 23-2

Anything new in Topeka land??

BTW: Just wanted to say to BJS188, thanks, great service, and fast.

tim

Tim,

Happy to help.

Nothing new in Topeka land. Just waiting for D* to add Topeka locals. E* offered a free upgrade to Superdish but I live in a townhouse and don't have room for a 3 foot dish.

Originally posted by timmy1376
Good news guys, KTWU should be on Cox with their HD signal by June. I just talked with the GM over there and Cox signed an agreement with national PBS to carry them in their markets, he said maybe a month, and we should get PBS.

Boy, can I call 'em or what......


Seriously, I though this would have happened by now. Sorry.

Does anyone know anyone at KTMJ Fox 43 there is Topeka?? I keep calling, but can never talk to anyone. I wonder what their plans are???

tim

Anyone know when KTKA, ch 49 is supposed to start broadcasting HD? Thanks.

Originally posted by snm66
Anyone know when KTKA, ch 49 is supposed to start broadcasting HD? Thanks.

They have never returned any of my messages about this subject.

I even asked them to say if they weren't allowed to comment on future plans, and they didn't respond.

Sent the message to their GM and Engineering.

Anyone know when KTKA, ch 49 is supposed to start broadcasting HD?

It's an absolute shame that KTKA spent all that money on new facilities and then realized they had no money. I spoke to an engineer there about a year ago and got the distinct impression that once they began broadcasting a digital signal then they'd be done with upgrades. I don't believe they're on solid financial footing yet, so the investment for HDTV probably isn't in the budget.

I wish they'd just pass the HD signal along to Cox. How tough can that be?

Originally posted by MatthewT
It's an absolute shame that KTKA spent all that money on new facilities and then realized they had no money. I spoke to an engineer there about a year ago and got the distinct impression that once they began broadcasting a digital signal then they'd be done with upgrades. I don't believe they're on solid financial footing yet, so the investment for HDTV probably isn't in the budget.

I wish they'd just pass the HD signal along to Cox. How tough can that be?

I guess it depends on who is paying for the ABC HD receiver....

Speaking of Cox, I really wish they would get some more locals in HD. KSNT and KTWU are both HD but neither is carried. It's a little sadder situation in Wichita as they have ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox(will be in September),PBS, WB, and UPN all up in digital and most providing HD, but yet Cox only carries ABC.

Over here in Manhattan, I have only heard of WIBW and KTWU coming in at all. KTKA and KSNT are both so low on power, the signal will not reach.

tim

I wonder if it's possible that we'll get HD NBC on Cox in time for the Olympics? I'm already disappointed that I'm not getting ABC or TNT for the NBA playoffs. I think it's about time they added some new channel/s.

Today I noticed that "Home Connections" is now advertising Voom DBS. They are located next to Target on Wanamaker. I stopped by there today and they said they have installed a few of the systems and that the picture quality is great and that of the installs they have done picking up the local hasn't been to bad. They said that the worst to get in is ABC because they are so low powered. Thought I would share this news. I'm thinking of going with Voom but I live on the east edge of town and I am worried about pulling in the locals.

Today I contacted Cox about there new DVR. They said that they will be offering the Motorola 6412. It has a 120 gig HardDrive that would hold approx. 20 hours of HD programming. They are currently taking names for the box and will call people when the have enough in town. They said that with the new boxes they will let people switch them out themselves or for $20 they will install them. No new word on adding anymore HD channels at this time. They are "still in negotiations" with some program providers, or so they say.

I would like to hear opinions from you guys in Topeka with Directv on the analog locals quality once they get started up tomorrow. You should get a 2 month preview free.

tim

Originally posted by timmy1376
I would like to hear opinions from you guys in Topeka with Directv on the analog locals quality once they get started up tomorrow. You should get a 2 month preview free.

tim

I checked at 7 am this morning before I left for work and could not find them. Will check again tonight. I hope the quality is good. I wonder who they might share transponder with? Wichita? Omaha? It will be nice to use my Directivos for local stuff.

On another note, last night was the first time I could pick up all five local digital channels in Topeka without any problems. Now if the weather would stay perfect for the rest of my life, I would be happy.

Originally posted by BJS188
On another note, last night was the first time I could pick up all five local digital channels in Topeka without any problems. Now if the weather would stay perfect for the rest of my life, I would be happy.

Ok, confused here.

I count
1. WIBW
2. KTWU
3. KSNT
4. KTKA


Who's five??

Two from KTWU.

So much for perfect weather!!!

The other day I watched locals on Directv and wasn't impressed.
Today it looks better but still has that Directv smeary, crawly Directv
look to it. I also have Cox analog so I can compare them along with OTA.
The Cox has a little more noise but definitely a sharper picture, which I prefer. The last storm tore down my antenna's, but I can still pickup most of the OTA and the analog picture isn't as good as usual so comparing Directv to OTA wouldn't be fair right now, but I'm sure that it would look better than Directv. Funny thing is I can still pickup all the digital channels except KSNT. My signal meter shows I have a signal but I get no picture. Any body else having trouble with KSNT?

KSNT-DT had been missing for a few days. It was back on for L&O on Wednesday night. I did not check later to see if Leno was coming through.

On DIRECTV locals, the quality seems to change daily. The first night they were good but other nights they are not as good.

KSNT must have had some type of problem because I'm receiving it now.
Personally if Directv didn't have HD content I wouldn't have it. I have always thought the picture was sub par. To me the picture just looks
flat,soft and to many artifacts plus when it storms you lose the signal.

FOX43 moved to 43 on DIRECTV. It was on 6.

They sure did. I thought it was strange they put it on 6, same as cox
and not on 43.

I live in Olathe, KS and would like to report to the Topeka viewers that I can receive both KTWU and WIBW. We in the KC area are desperate to receive a FOX station. Our local FOX station broadcasts with only 1,100 watts on a short temporary tower. I have read through your thread that your FOX station is HD-43. We would like to DX from Topeka if possible.

You can check the Kansas City thread for my screen shot of KTWU.

I would not hold my breath on Fox from Topeka. They have no plans to go digital over the air right now.

Rumor going around now is that Cox will have Fox on cable only by football season, plus KTWU. Got an email back from a vp or something with Cox stating they hoped to have Fox by football season. KTWU was supposedly close, but that is what I was told 3 months ago.

Thanks timmy1376 for your fast reply.
I just got all excited that FOX would have the Baseball playoffs, the expanded HD NFL, plus the Super Bowl.
Our local cable company, Comcast, would carry our local FOX station, except that the stations transmitting power is so low that the cable company cannot receive them!
Oh well..

Us Topeka folks are going to miss the four MNF games that the Chiefs are playing in. No ABC-HD here. I got word from the station that "Maybe Next Year". We have been hearing that for three years now. I wish someone would step up to the plate and buy them since they are for sale.

Guys,
I got a nice suprise in my email this morning. Our friend at KTWU Duane Loyd emailed telling me Cox would start to carry KTWU October 18. He said he reads this page and the KC page so lets thank him for his work.

It's nice to see Cox stepping up with more local in HD in the Topeka market. Lets hope for Fox and NBC next.

tim

PS Does anyone have or have access to a STB that does QAM decoding that could try it out on Cox. I only want the local channels and there is a TV at Wal-Mart I am looking at that does QAM decoding but I want to see if Cox is putting the local in the clear.

thanks!

We had a customer in on Monday buying a OTA tuner so he could watch the Olympics in HD. He said that he had talked to someone at KSNT and they said that they were going to start their own "cable system" using their digital signal. So they are not planning on being on COX. He said one of the other stations in town was joining them. I am not sure which. I will be really upset if this degrade or eliminates HD from our local stations.

Jeez. I hope they don't join USDTV or the other group. Who would you guys speculate would join them? KTKA? That's who I would guess.

If they want their own cable system, then they definately need to increase power. The don't even make it to Wamego to the east.

So what would we do for NBC HD?

Emmis in a play to aquire USDTV. Emmis is KSNT's parent company

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=409027&highlight=emmis

This was from a few months back

I haven't been here in a while. On Titantv.com it says I can get KTKA in Manhattan. Is that true? I can get WIBW and KTWU great.

well I was able to pick up signal tonight but it flickered pretty bad.. :(

I know most people around here can't get KSNT-DT, but it seams to me that their picture quality has dropped way off. I first noticed it about half way through the Olympics. Anyone else notice?

The only dropoff in PQ I noticed during the Olympics was with some of the outdoor events and I thought that was its own explanation. I haven't watched anything since then.

BJS188: I've noticed KSNT-DT signal has changed to. I used to receive it fairly solid. During the Olympics and since, the pic would lock up or macro block. I looked at the sig strength on my Hughes HD DirectTV Rec and it bounces around like crazy in the normal range. When it gets weaker (toward the bad side) it'll start to lock up. It's like they have turned their power down. I can get ch 41-DT out of KC so I usually watch it for HD programing. By the way, I get KC ch 9-DT at the top end of the meter. They must be at full power. Maybe this will help some who live in Topeka watch MNF. I live between Topeka and Lawrence.

i get KC 9DT with a 66" channelmaster mounted under the roof with a winegard preamp/amp. Works great. Live 1 mile east of lake shawnee, no hill no draw

Originally posted by snm66
BJS188: I've noticed KSNT-DT signal has changed to. I used to receive it fairly solid. During the Olympics and since, the pic would lock up or macro block. I looked at the sig strength on my Hughes HD DirectTV Rec and it bounces around like crazy in the normal range. When it gets weaker (toward the bad side) it'll start to lock up. It's like they have turned their power down. I can get ch 41-DT out of KC so I usually watch it for HD programing. By the way, I get KC ch 9-DT at the top end of the meter. They must be at full power. Maybe this will help some who live in Topeka watch MNF. I live between Topeka and Lawrence.

The signal for KSNT-DT is rock solid for me. They just seem to be giving it less bandwidth. Lots of motion artifiacts on Hawaii. I am now having problems with WIBW-DT. That signal does break up occasionally. Maybe my antenna needs adjusting.

I have had no luck getting any of the KC stations, but I think I am blocked by Burnett's Mound.

Today is supposed to be the day for KTWU to go live on Cox HD service. Anyone seeing it?

I noticed it was on my HD tier this afternoon when I went home for lunch :cool: . The guide said "no data" for all times, and there was no actual programming, just a "temporarily unavailable" message. Is this something to be excited about? I don't watch PBS, so I'm not sure what kind of HD programming to expect.

PBS has a dedicated HD feed that is separate from the SD feed. I believe the programming will occasionally be the same, but that is generally coincidence. I would describe the programming as mostly Discovery type shows. I've been able to watch KTWU-DT over the air but rarely watch it.

Tonight I see that the guide has all the "no data"s for KTWU replaced with program titles, but there is still nothing showing on the channel. Anyone know what the problem/hold-up is?

nothing showing on the channel

Sorry, but I have no idea what you're talking about. I have KTWU on both the screen and the channel guide.

Originally posted by MatthewT
Sorry, but I have no idea what you're talking about. I have KTWU on both the screen and the channel guide.

Brett is going through Cox for KTWU. I assume you are getting it OTA?

Brett is going through Cox for KTWU. I assume you are getting it OTA?

No. I read Brett's post about 20 minutes after he wrote it and ran down to the TV room and turned it on to KTWU HD on Cox and there it was - video, audio, channel guide listing, program information and everything. I didn't check it OTA.

I live in Topeka, KS. I have a roof antenna with a rotor (sorry, I don't know the model or specs). With that, I can receive all the local channels and also those broadcast from Kansas City (about 60-70 miles East). The problem is that the Kansas City channels seem to be unreliable: some days reception is perfect, and other days is poor or there is no signal at all. I have a sense that weather conditions may be in part responsible for that (cloudy, foggy, rainy weather like today makes reception more difficult). Is that correct? Any suggestions on how to improve the reception on those days?

Thank you,

Gianfranco

Hey gianfri a few quick questions. What stations from KC are you receiving? What area of town do you live? What kind of antenna equipment are you using? I live on the South East corner and with the standard antenna that came with my Voom service I can receive all 4 of the Topeka stations but can only receive the ABC station from KC. The only thing is Voom only finds the digital signals from the TV stations. None of the analog signals. Thanks for the info in advance.

Well, as I said, I am not sure what equipment I have, my antenna guy (whom I trust) installed it for me a few months ago. I know that it is on the roof and it has a rotor. I live about 3 mls. W of downtown. If I point my antenna East, I can usually get reasonable reception from Kansas City for UPN, CBS, ABC, and NBC, as well as Pax from Lawrence. However, in recent weeks I have had troubles with some of those stations, primarily UPN, and it seems to be related to weather conditions.

So my question was more in general about how the weather affects reception of digital signals. It was moved by the moderator to the Topeka area thread, but I am not sure it belongs here, it is a more general question on how digital signals travel and are affected by external conditions.

Thank you for your reply.

Gianfranco,
Welcome to the topeka thread. Weather condition will affect digital signals more if you are a good distance away from the tower. In your case, the weather will affect the KC channels much more than they will the Topeka channels.
If you are marginal to get them to begin with, the colder it gets, the more likely you will start to see more problems, as with the warm weather, the signal will "drift" more to you. It's called Tropo, but that term is used more when stations are hundreds of miles away, not the 70 to 80 you talk about.
During the summer, there are nights, with a set of rabbit ears, I can pickup Wichita stations, over 110 miles, with decent picture.

Do you have an amp on your antenna? Something to try.

Thank you for your reply, that is the kind of information I was looking for. I did have my antenna installed during the summer, so I guess I should expect things to go worse in the next few months. Do you know if cloudy and foggy conditions can affect the reception? How about trees?

I do have an amplifier. I will have my antenna man come back and take a look to see if there is anything else that he can do to improve the signal -- perhaps to raise the antenna further?

Thanks!

Does anyone living in Manhattan have (or know of someone who does) Voom service? Any chance of picking up Topeka digitals thru their OTA?? I am sick and tired of waiting for Cox to start providing the other network digital channels. Thanks!

I have DTV in manhattan and they are now offering CBS and NBC in HD on their east and west cost feeds. I get a lot more HD channels through DTV than Cox offers but the quaility isn't as good as Cox HD.

How did you qualify for the CBS and NBC on Directv?? Are you getting them? Let us know?

The local CBS (WIBW) web site is showing all local news programs in HD. Jeff is probably spending his time with set up. Am excited about the prospect.

Hey guys, just wanted to chime in and say last night I finally got the locals through Directv, and have to say I am a little disappointed with the amount of compression. Also, last night, WIBW was ghosting pretty bad, but this morning it wasn't too bad, maybe it was just the snow.

It's nice to see they added a WB station to the Topeka locals, a UPN would be nice, but since WIBW shows some of that, maybe they cannot.

I would like to know if the listing for HD news is a mistake, that's very interesting.

i was hoping Jeff Graves might have mentioned something. Still haven't seen the image in HD on WIBW local news, but hoping it will come soon. Because of HD support, most of my local viewing is HD WIBW. The multicasting on PBS is stretching the bandwidth on PBS and NBC seems to be overly compressed (a lot of pixelization on both).

I am not so sure Jeff is still with WIBW. Maybe so, but the email I sent him the other day came back with errors.

To get east and west cost feeds on Dtv you have to send a letter to the networks and ask for permission, I told them I was in a valley and couldn't receive the signal. I got permission for ABC, NBC, and FOX. CBS rejected my plea. Then I signed up for the HD package on Dtv. About 3 months ago I got all the locals (bad quality). Month later I got CBS in HD for east and west cost feeds but I was blocked out (see above). Then NBC HD east and west showed up and I got those channels. Then Fox came on just before the World Series. After the World series it shut off. I think they are waiting for the NFL HD package to be over before they switch Fox and ABC on.

so you sent the letter to the individual stations? I assumed you had to go through Directv.

Ok, who wants to join the "no HD Super Bowl" pity party? Fox in Topeka is still not HD OTA, right? I certainly won't get it on Cox in Manhattan anyway. What a disappointment!

Ok, who wants to join the "no HD Super Bowl" pity party
We will not get it in HD in Lawrence either. WDAF KC is broadcasting digital/HD so low power literally have to be within mile or so of transmitter. Certainly can't get OTA here and cable can't pick it up either. I have pretty much been boycotting FOX because of this situation.

Changing subjects, we have not had WIBW Digital/HD on Sunflower cable since ice storm hit. I just talked with Sunflower and they claim it is a WIBW problem. Are you guys in Topeka getting WIBW Digital/HD OTA currently?

I'm in Lawrence, too, and I also spoke to Sunflower today about WIBW. It would be nice to be able to see Indianapolis-Denver in HD tomorrow. How long does it take to thaw out a tower?

Since the ice storm, there have also been issues with analog channels 3 and 12, but I suppose that these are neither here NOR there as far as this forum is concerned.

Anyhow, I heard a rumor that Sunflower is trying to find a work-around to get us FoxHD by the Super Bowl. My sources are confidential but fairly reliable.

On another note, it would sure be nice to have ESPN2 HD for the KU-Texas game later this month.

Anyhow, I heard a rumor that Sunflower is trying to find a work-around to get us FoxHD by the Super Bowl. My sources are confidential but fairly reliable.
That would be great! I have exchanged e-mails with management at Sunflower and they have been responsive but did not seem optomistic about the Superbowl or adding ESPN2 HD any time soon. I would love to see biggest football game of the year in HD. I can't wait to finally see my Jayhawks in HD, although doubt we will have ESPN2 HD by then.

Keeping this on topic, I am frustrated no WIBW if nothing else because they seem to have best overall picture of the locals we get on Sunflower. I had to laugh at the customer service representative that apologized for not having the digital channel but said "well at least you can watch it on 13". I said "true" and let it pass. Supposed to get above freezing today so keep our fingers crossed. Of course at least some weather forecasts are calling for chances of freezing rain/sleet again mid-week! We shall see.

Yes! Ice melts and WIBW is back in time for NFL playoff in HD.

Nothing to do with HD, but the picture quality of WIBW on Directv has much improved with the melting also. It had some obvious ghosting but is much better today.

Is Lawrence in the Topeka or KC DMA?

Lawrence is a hodge-podge.

NBC, ABC from KC

WIBW, KTWU from T-Town

I think the reason our CBS is from Topeka is that WIBW went HD before KCTV did.

Come on, Fox 43! Beat WDAF!

Last I knew Lawrence was in the KC DMA....

If you have Directv in the KC DMA, you should be able to get the NY feed of Fox HD.

Yep, here you go...

http://ekb.dbstalk.com/TVMarkets/Maps/kansas%5B1%5D.gif

Originally posted by WILDCAT NATION
Last I knew Lawrence was in the KC DMA....

If you have Directv in the KC DMA, you should be able to get the NY feed of Fox HD.

Then how is Sunflower allowed to give you WIBW in HD?? It that way of thinking works, then Cox could give us ABC and Fox from KC in HD right??