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jb_ky1

04-12-07, 10:36 PM

This was on the Chris Bailey's Weather Blog:

"WKYT HD
Good afternoon everyone! For those of you with HDTV… WKYT broke new ground Today by becoming the first Lexington newscast to go fully High Definition. The weather stuff is also in HD and it is AMAZING. It is a whole new weather package that we are unveiling and will continue to throw new things at you in the coming weeks. It is a fun and anxious time around here because of the transition to HD. WKYT is now one of the very first stations in the country to broadcast local news and especially weather in HD. :) "

So we shall see at 11 if it is in HD or not.

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The news was in HD at noon today.
If you go to

http://www.wkyt.com/news/misc/3951051.html

And click on WKYT News at Noon for 04/12/2007, the news was in HD

BenCJedi

04-12-07, 11:07 PM

It's on in HD again right now! Smallville in CW was not in HD tonight. We'll see if these CW improvements emerge. They have until June, right?

jb_ky1

04-13-07, 11:48 AM

I was told by the news director that all newscast starting today that they will be in HD. I noticed this morning that the news was in HD.

Now we wait for LEX18.

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So maybe UK sports will be broadcast in HD this coming winter.

This is from WKYT.COM about them being in HD:

WKYT will offer nearly 30 hours of local news each week in True HD, in addition to the strong HD lineup offered by CBS. Also, over 50 hours of local sports programming, including coach shows for the University of Kentucky, will be produced in HD as well.

Juppers

04-13-07, 12:04 PM

I heard WLEXs new set is supposed to be done by the 26th and that is the day they will be going HD.

jb_ky1

04-13-07, 04:45 PM

I heard WLEXs new set is supposed to be done by the 26th and that is the day they will be going HD.

That is the launch date for 18. You can also check out the new hd studio being built live on their website at www.lex18.com from 9am-8pm. ((Not showing studio during newscast)) Looks very sharp.

the19hole

04-15-07, 09:18 PM

I've lost some signal strength over the last few days. Did they change something or it this some weather/tropic event?

the19hole

Gruber22

04-17-07, 03:04 PM

Since KYT produces the FOX56 10 o'clock news, is there any word if that newscast will soon be in HD?

jb_ky1

04-17-07, 10:18 PM

I was wondering the same thing, and they use the same equipment.

But as of now, LEX 18 is still set to launch their news in HD on the 26th.

screa2

04-18-07, 11:37 AM

Newbie here....finally got into the HDTV craze and love it. Was curious if anyone near the Bluegrass Army Depot in Madison County, could give me an insight into what OTA antenna would be best to get HD locals out of Lex. Thanks!

m_vanmeter

04-18-07, 12:03 PM

plug your complete address into www.antennaweb.org and when you get the results, click on the button above the list for digital stations only. let us know what the results are. That is the best starting point for antenna selection

jb_ky1

04-18-07, 07:00 PM

If anyone can get WDRB-DT, they will be broadcasting Thunder in HD and 5.1.

http://www.fox41.com/article/view/11485

Roger_M

04-22-07, 10:06 AM

Ben,
Almost got WBKI 19.1 to come in yesterday with my Stealth antenna. I wonder if the close proximity to analog station 18 is interfering with my reception. I must assume that when the Analog stations go off the air that reception will improve for the digital stations.
Almost got a Cincinnati station to come in. WKRC 31.1 (analog 12) popped in for a second. Anyone in the Winchester area able to get any Cincinnati stations?

Roger

NashDigie

04-22-07, 11:52 PM

Anyone in the Winchester area able to get any Cincinnati stations?

Roger
Hey, I know that I don't live in Kentucky, but in fact, I live in Tennessee. However, awhile back, in November, I was able to get your local 18 and 36 digitals and two Cincinnati stations (MyTV 33.1 and NBC 35.1) and two Dayton, OH stations (Fox 30.1 and NBC 50.1). The odd thing about those channels were I have an analog channel 30 at 5000kw and another analog channel 50 at about 4800kw or 4900kw. That was odd! The reason I am posting is because I wanted to know when that happened to you. I was just curious. Thanks for letting me know.

NashDigie signing off.

Roger_M

04-23-07, 08:58 PM

The odd thing about those channels were I have an analog channel 30 at 5000kw and another analog channel 50 at about 4800kw or 4900kw. That was odd! The reason I am posting is because I wanted to know when that happened to you. I was just curious. Thanks for letting me know.

NashDigie signing off.

It happened Saturday evening. I know that WKRC 31.1 popped in for a sec cause I saw it change over to 12 and now see my TV has 12.1 and 12.2 in it's inventory.

What you saw back in November may have been a result of Atmospheric boundry reflection casuing the transmitting signal to be reglected back down to earth and being received by you.

Roger

steverichmond

04-24-07, 01:25 PM

Has there been any updates on WLEX news being broadcast in HD? Are they still planning on the 26th?

I want more HD!

Steve

bbonds

04-24-07, 02:51 PM

i thought Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy were recorded in HD. Why hasn't WKYT started using their "new" equipment to broadcast these shows in HD? I'm a little disappointed in their news broadcasts....most of the news is footage shot in non-HD...so really the only thing that is "True" HD is the weather...yippee (sarcasm). I thought I remember hearing that WKYT was the only station that would have their field cameras shooting HD...guess that was a lie. Maybe with WLEX coming on board that will push the competition button somewhat.

Roger_M

04-24-07, 05:11 PM

jb_ky1

04-24-07, 06:52 PM

They are set to go HD Thursday at 5 pm. I've been told it should look nice with HD graphics and a HD set.

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I also sent an e-mail to WKYT the other day asking about Wheel, Jeopardy, and the CWKYT being in HD and was told this:

Since we tape record “Wheel” and “Jeopardy” on a two-day delay, at the moment we do not have the equipment to record and playback in HD. We are currently updating our equipment and should be doing so in the very near future. We should be airing CW in HD beginning this fall. We are working on Dish to pick up CW also.

Sincerely,

Barbara Howard
Vice President - Programming
WKYT-TV/CWkyt

I had asked them the same thing about Wheel and Jeopardy about 5 months ago, and looks like I got the same response.

steverichmond

04-25-07, 02:42 PM

I got this email today from WLEX. Are they planning on sending 1080i signal?

Thursday, April 26, at 5pm is the "future" for LEX18. It's that newscast that will be our first Full-Spectrum High-Definition broadcast, in our brand new studio. We invite all of you to watch LEX18 News at 5:00 tomorrow and experience something truly amazing.

WLEX is extremely pleased to be offering our viewers local news in full-spectrum high- definition," says President and General Manager Tim Gilbert. "Whether you're watching us on a standard definition television set or on a new HD set, you'll see an extraordinary news product with a brand new look and feel. Full-spectrum means the absolute sharpest picture and highest resolution possible. We are proud to be one of only a handful of stations in the country offering this level of technology.

Our television station has always been at the forefront of the latest developments in broadcast technology, setting the standards and leading the pack in local news coverage," Gilbert says. "We were first on the air in this market, first in color, first with stereo, the first morning newscast, and the first and only station with live Doppler radar. Now WLEX is making history again.

Sincerely,

Joey Martin
Internet Director

jb_ky1

04-25-07, 06:32 PM

Tonight at 7:30 LEX 18 will broadcast in HD how the transition has been to do the news in HD.

HD, well that is what one of the news anchors said.

bradman

04-25-07, 07:56 PM

Tonight at 7:30 LEX 18 will broadcast in HD how the transition has been to do the news in HD.

HD, well that is what one of the news anchors said.

That show was pretty weak tonight...the picture was all jerky and pixelated and then the show abruptly went off,to be replaced by Extra already in progress.

Juppers

04-25-07, 07:58 PM

The SD channel didn't have any audio. I think that is why they cut it off.

hdinlexky2

04-26-07, 09:46 PM

I thought tonights broadcast of WLEX news looked very good in HD, nice quality, the weather in HD looked excellent. Too bad none of their field reports were in HD though.

HDTVChallenged

04-27-07, 12:58 AM

... Am I the only one hearing the Kazoo distortion effect on CBS (HD feed) network programming? It's getting worse as the days pass.

Juppers

04-27-07, 03:00 AM

WLEX field shots won't be in HD for a long while. They only upgraded studio cameras to HD. Overall the broadcast beat the hell out of the WKYT HD debut.

bbonds

04-27-07, 02:08 PM

really? I think WKYT's HD feed is much better. WLEX's feed looked almost as animated as a cartoon... I was severely disappointed when they said "lets now go to Kristen Pflum..." and she wasn't in HD...I definitely wanted to see that!

Gruber22

04-30-07, 12:47 PM

Anyone noticed how LEX is now zooming the HD feed for their analog channel? Kinda funny - you can see the edge of the "HD" letters on the bottom left where "NBC HD" usually appears.

But it causes a problem for analog shows that are supposed to be widescreen - I noticed SNL in the bedroom had issues as that show now is widescreen on the analog channel. Title cards and some shots didn't work when they zoomed the HD feed.

ragamuffin

04-30-07, 01:00 PM

... Why hasn't WKYT started using their "new" equipment to broadcast these shows in HD? I'm a little disappointed in their news broadcasts....most of the news is footage shot in non-HD... I thought I remember hearing that WKYT was the only station that would have their field cameras shooting HD...

I noticed that WKYT's Saturday evening Sports Spectrum the past couple of weeks has been broadcast in HD... I saw a couple of field videographers shooting with an HD camera (storing to an optical disc) this past week at some local baseball/softball games... and then subsequently saw the footage on Sports Spectrum... it looked pretty sweet to me...

I'm sure there are still some kinks to work through, but this is definitely much sooner than I anticipated local broadcasts going to HD... I remember when ESPN went HD not too long ago and there was quite a bit of non-HD content out-of-the-gate... but these days the non-HD content is becoming rare...

BenCJedi

05-02-07, 11:15 PM

... Am I the only one hearing the Kazoo distortion effect on CBS (HD feed) network programming? It's getting worse as the days pass.

Thats actually been going on randomly for over a month now. I have been calling it the tin-can-string-phone effect. It usually happens during Survivor and Amazing Race (primetime shows). It's like someone didn't plug the phono plug in all the way. ;)

jb_ky1

05-07-07, 10:45 PM

BenCJedi

05-08-07, 12:24 AM

Has anyone been to this site before? http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=821480

It is really cool!

Below is a coverage area of WLEX-DT

All of the Lexington stations are in the Lexington file, of course. Most of them are in the Louisville file as well. To get WYMT you need to download the Johnson City, TN/Tri-Cities file.

Anyone have an idea when the CWKYT will be HD?

This is WAY better than my attempts using GMT and FCC coordinates several pages back in this thread to get a positional idea for the towers in respect to one's location. The radiation pattern is gold. It's obvious that WBKI-DT detection in Winchester is spotty.. exactly how it has been in real-world testing. The algorithm they use shows my house in a void of signal. I'd need to move my antenna a bit east of Walmart for the greater possibility of a lock.

Good stuff! Thanks for pointing this out.

I'm eagerly waiting to see what WKYT does for CW in HD. They said "by June". They may have forgotten now that they are HD-news.. figuring it doesn't matter anymore. I hope that isn't the case. Make sure you call or at least email the GM and tell him you *really* want to see CW in HD. The greater the public request the more serious to getting it done.

Perch33

05-10-07, 05:08 PM

Does anybody else have a problem with the audio sync of TNTHD? It is so bad I can not stand to watch it. My receiver has audio delay, but I still cannot get the audio to match the lips. This is the only channel that is like this.

bradman

05-11-07, 10:31 AM

Roger_M

05-12-07, 07:33 PM

For those of you that enjoy TV viewing in HD I've noticed the digital PBS station 46.4 was being broadcast in 720P HD the last couple of nights. Sub channels .1 and .2 are still in 480i with .4 being in widescreen 720p mode. Subchannels .3, .5 and .6 all drew a blank screen.
Has anyone else noticed the new change in 46?

HDTVChallenged

05-13-07, 01:23 AM

Has anyone else noticed the new change in 46?

Eh ... Welcome to 2003(ish)

m_vanmeter

05-14-07, 10:04 AM

The KET ".4" subchannel is designated as their HD channel for evening broadcasts. Their line up is not always HD in the evening, but many of the shows are. I receive KET channels 46 and 52 and the HD reception is very good.

HDTVChallenged

05-14-07, 11:42 AM

Their line up is not always HD in the evening, but many of the shows are.

Since the addition of the HD server, the KET4 primetime schedule has been 99.99% HD ... there were a few SD/WS stragglers just after the system was set up. Where the heck have you guys been for the past year or so? ;) :D

Please check out this link to the official KET website. (http://www.ket.org/dtv/programs.htm) Explore, expand your knowledge. :)

Roger_M

05-14-07, 03:58 PM

Since the addition of the HD server, the KET4 primetime schedule has been 99.99% HD ... there were a few SD/WS stragglers just after the system was set up. Where the heck have you guys been for the past year or so? ;) :D

They should have put their HD sub-channel on .1 instead off to a minor sub-channel! I usually look at 46.1 before going on to 56.1. But 46.4 is now on my favorites list.

jb_ky1

05-14-07, 07:38 PM

Well looks like WLEX-HD will not be on TWC (Time Warner Cable).

Click below for the link in PDF, however it says that Direct TV, and and Dish will be picking up the HD signal in the next few weeks!

http://wlex.images.worldnow.com/images/incoming/timewarner.pdf

Still no HD on the CWKYT I see... :(

shakin cliches

05-18-07, 05:51 PM

Still no HD on the CWKYT I see... :(

Is no one concerned that when CW goes live in HD that the PQ of WKYT-HD will degrade?

BenCJedi

05-18-07, 09:15 PM

Is no one concerned that when CW goes live in HD that the PQ of WKYT-HD will degrade?

Oh we're concerned, just that WKYT said they could offer CW in HD. We'll all believe it when we see it. The GM at WKYT did not answer my latest email and his original response was very non-committal in regard to the matter. He said "by June" which is not that far off. I hope it wasn't a technical misunderstanding on their part and they truly have something state-of-the-art to push more bandwidth (one transmitter can serve CBS-HD at the same frequency as another transmitter for CW-HD).. in theory.. allowing HD receivers to pick it up as one signal with twice as much bandwidth. I don't know if this is possible due to a 19mbps cap on bandwidth for the ATSC stream.

I may be looking for a very basic tripod for the roof for my Winegard antenna that I specifically bought because it was the most sensitive to UHF channel 19 where WBKI-DT is on the spectrum. I have it attic-mounted for now.

shakin cliches

05-18-07, 09:27 PM

Oh we're concerned, just that WKYT said they could offer CW in HD. We'll all believe it when we see it. The GM at WKYT did not answer my latest email and his original response was very non-committal in regard to the matter. He said "by June" which is not that far off. I hope it wasn't a technical misunderstanding on their part and they truly have something state-of-the-art to push more bandwidth (one transmitter can serve CBS-HD at the same frequency as another transmitter for CW-HD).. in theory.. allowing HD receivers to pick it up as one signal with twice as much bandwidth. I don't know if this is possible due to a 19mbps cap on bandwidth for the ATSC stream.

I may be looking for a very basic tripod for the roof for my Winegard antenna that I specifically bought because it was the most sensitive to UHF channel 19 where WBKI-DT is on the spectrum. I have it attic-mounted for now.

FWIW, you may know more about this situation than I, but all WKYT has is 19mbps to broadcast all of their signals, HD and SD, KYT and CWKYT.

From what I understand about it, their state-of-the-art equipment is just going to be some sort of compressor to allow them to squeeze 2 HD channels through their 19mbps of bandwidth.

While I would like to see CW in HD, I don't want it so bad, that we get CSI, NFL, NCAA sports in HD-lite because of it, which is what I am afraid is going to happen.

BenCJedi

05-18-07, 09:54 PM

FWIW, you may know more about this situation than I, but all WKYT has is 19mbps to broadcast all of their signals, HD and SD, KYT and CWKYT.

From what I understand about it, their state-of-the-art equipment is just going to be some sort of compressor to allow them to squeeze 2 HD channels through their 19mbps of bandwidth.

While I would like to see CW in HD, I don't want it so bad, that we get CSI, NFL, NCAA sports in HD-lite because of it, which is what I am afraid is going to happen.

Their primary subchannel (.1) is already somewhat "bit-starved". I regularly record CSI and am removing commercials and null-packets and burning the transport stream to DVD+R single-layer discs. After the editing (that doesn't affect the content, no re-encoding or anything like that), the result is usually just shy of 4GB... usually from 3.8 to 4.12GB max size. For comparison.. I also record Prison Break and House MD on WDKY and the result after the same cleanup is only 3.5GB or so per episode. Only American Idol (1-hour show) sometimes comes out to 4.5GB for the show.

I suspect WKYT can crank down the primary subchannel bitrate such that it would look as good as House MD on FOX without too much sacrifice. Perhaps this is their plan if they are to make CW high def and if they have better compression equipment (multipass real-time?) it might not look so bad.

The BEST bandwidth broadcast OTA in Lexington is truly awarded to WLEX. An episode of Heroes is always AT LEAST 5GB (too big for a single layer DVD+R). It annoys me they say 'full spectrum high-def' when they really should be advertising 'highest bitrate HD in Lexington'. If they are referring to the resolution as 'full spectrum' they are wrong as 1080P would be the king of that (WLEX-DT is 1080-interlaced).

I've noticed the online sources of the HD transport streams for CSI are often larger than 4GB from other CBS stations in the country, so WKYT was already not broadcasting with as much bitrate that they could have been using. Even before they added UPN-Lex and that weather subchannel they were wasting bandwidth on the primary subchannel by broadcasting the same CBS content twice (on the .2 as standard def), so as far as I know they've never given Lexington the entire bandwidth for only their primary channel. We've always seen less than maximum quality we could get.

We do have one advantage to the bitrate used now.. easy fit for a single inexpensive DVD+R disc. Actually 2.. CW in standard def provides exactly the right, legal DVD-authoring specifications to go right to DVD-video format. Usually it edits down for an hour show of Smallville to 1.3GB, so 3 episodes per DVD+R that look fantastic on my smaller TV. I still however want the high definition version. :)

shakin cliches

05-18-07, 10:25 PM

Their primary subchannel (.1) is already somewhat "bit-starved". I regularly record CSI and am removing commercials and null-packets and burning the transport stream to DVD+R single-layer discs. After the editing (that doesn't affect the content, no re-encoding or anything like that), the result is usually just shy of 4GB... usually from 3.8 to 4.12GB max size. For comparison.. I also record Prison Break and House MD on WDKY and the result after the same cleanup is only 3.5GB or so per episode. Only American Idol (1-hour show) sometimes comes out to 4.5GB for the show.

I suspect WKYT can crank down the primary subchannel bitrate such that it would look as good as House MD on FOX without too much sacrifice. Perhaps this is their plan if they are to make CW high def and if they have better compression equipment (multipass real-time?) it might not look so bad.

The BEST bandwidth broadcast OTA in Lexington is truly awarded to WLEX. An episode of Heroes is always AT LEAST 5GB (too big for a single layer DVD+R). It annoys me they say 'full spectrum high-def' when they really should be advertising 'highest bitrate HD in Lexington'. If they are referring to the resolution as 'full spectrum' they are wrong as 1080P would be the king of that (WLEX-DT is 1080-interlaced).

I've noticed the online sources of the HD transport streams for CSI are often larger than 4GB from other CBS stations in the country, so WKYT was already not broadcasting with as much bitrate that they could have been using. Even before they added UPN-Lex and that weather subchannel they were wasting bandwidth on the primary subchannel by broadcasting the same CBS content twice (on the .2 as standard def), so as far as I know they've never given Lexington the entire bandwidth for only their primary channel. We've always seen less than maximum quality we could get.

We do have one advantage to the bitrate used now.. easy fit for a single inexpensive DVD+R disc. Actually 2.. CW in standard def provides exactly the right, legal DVD-authoring specifications to go right to DVD-video format. Usually it edits down for an hour show of Smallville to 1.3GB, so 3 episodes per DVD+R that look fantastic on my smaller TV. I still however want the high definition version. :)

Good info!

The best part of that letter from Gilbert is the anticipation that Directv will be carrying Lexington's locals in HD before too long.

Also, the backlash from TWC might be that LEX was asking for too much $ per subscriber from TWC for their HD feed. I'm pretty sure the same thing happened with the Frankfort Cable Co. and they ended up taking WAVE's HD feed instead.

Roger_M

05-19-07, 10:56 AM

We do have one advantage to the bitrate used now.. easy fit for a single inexpensive DVD+R disc. Actually 2.. CW in standard def provides exactly the right, legal DVD-authoring specifications to go right to DVD-video format. Usually it edits down for an hour show of Smallville to 1.3GB, so 3 episodes per DVD+R that look fantastic on my smaller TV. I still however want the high definition version. :)

Ben, do you have capabilities to record to Double Layer DVDs yet? I've been recording some of the longer movies on DVD to DVD+R DL with some successs lately and may start using my computer to record HD broadcast in the future. THe price of HD DVD recorders is way too high right now, but maybe my computer can do the recording for me since I already have the burner and hard drive. Just need a TV tuner card! :)

William Smith

05-21-07, 09:39 AM

1080p is not in the famous ATSC tables 3 and therefore not available for broadcast. In order for 1080p to fit in the 6 Mhz channel it would have to be encoded at 24 frames/sec.

BenCJedi

05-21-07, 12:01 PM

1080p is not in the famous ATSC tables 3 and therefore not available for broadcast. In order for 1080p to fit in the 6 Mhz channel it would have to be encoded at 24 frames/sec.

Unless we're in Japan.. though that may have been some test using some non-standard I was reading about. With the proper flagging it would be possible to broadcast 1080p movies (film), though right?

BenCJedi

05-21-07, 12:10 PM

Ben, do you have capabilities to record to Double Layer DVDs yet? I've been recording some of the longer movies on DVD to DVD+R DL with some successs lately and may start using my computer to record HD broadcast in the future. THe price of HD DVD recorders is way too high right now, but maybe my computer can do the recording for me since I already have the burner and hard drive. Just need a TV tuner card! :)

Yes, I have had the capability to burn dual-layer for quite some time, but with the volume of TV shows I regularly capture and burn it would be a much more expensive hobby to use dual layer discs (~$1 versus 16-cents).

I've not looked towards HD-DVD or Blueray... though I did entertain the idea of purchasing the HD-DVD drive for an Xbox360 as it is able to work as an HD-DVD-ROM drive on a PC also. For now I am quite content with DVD+R to store transport streams. I've actually gotten 3 HD capture cards now.. a Macro Image Technology MDP-120, A Dvico Fusion 5 Lite and a Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-1600. They all have their pluses and minuses.. My favorite one is probably the MDP-120 as it produces the best picture and is most reliable (as long as you're not running it in Windows Vista, which I have abandoned entirely these last couple weeks).

HDTV4usinky

05-22-07, 04:42 PM

Are the new "bars" on the side of the SD programming on WDKY bothering anyone? They are different, and my guess is that they are intended to supress burn in, any thoughts?

Juppers

05-22-07, 04:49 PM

I wish more stations would do that. Great if you don't have a set that can burn in, but those of us that do really like seeing things like that.

BenCJedi

05-22-07, 09:57 PM

Are the new "bars" on the side of the SD programming on WDKY bothering anyone? They are different, and my guess is that they are intended to supress burn in, any thoughts?

Nice touch for my projection HD set! I noticed that too and thought someone must have been messing with the contrast at first. :)

HDTVChallenged

05-23-07, 01:22 AM

I should have known better than to trust WKYT to the TiVo lastnight. I looks like they managed to completely drop the center/dialog channel ... and no CC either. I guess I'll have to see if CBS as the NCIS finale up on the dot-com.

jb_ky1

05-24-07, 06:44 PM

I asked someone at KYT about the CW and I was told:

I believe a more realistic goal for CW to be HD would be July 1.

Also there is now a construction permit for WBLU-LP (Not going digital), but bumping up the power to 42 kw from 4 kw.
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call=WBLU

Any one know what will happen to WBLU and other low power stations in February 2009?

Nitewatchman

05-24-07, 11:59 PM

Any one know what will happen to WBLU and other low power stations in February 2009?

Short answer ... Nothing, pretty much ... unless they are displaced by a full power station(which has allways been the case) or in some cases if they are on out-of-core channels(as WBLU-LP is on 62, at least they were the last time I saw them, and their new CP to increase power is for 62 as well) + have to "get off" and move to in core channels (channel 2-51) ...

Longer answer ---

The way I understand it, If they're on channel 60-69, they have to cease operations(or move to another channel) after 2/17/09. If they're elsewhere out-of-core on channel 52-59 , they wouldn't necessarily have to move until/if they would cause interference to a new service in the area using that "reclaimed" spectrum ...

LP DTV "in general" info :

LP stations can flash cut to digital on channel, or via per some pretty "specific" guidelines seek a digital companion channel, the latter which would allow them to operate both analog+digital stations. They are not guarenteed the latter as for instance there has to be a channel "available" in the area, and there are specific filing "window" involved, for which I believe there has only been one such "window" so far. And, of course, LPTV has been, and will continue to be a secondary service, unlike is the case with full service stations(such as WTVQ, WKLE, WLEX, WKYT, WDKY, WUPX/etc).

FCC did not formulate rules for LP's to go digital until late 2004, and the process, for the most part is just beginning for them. Part of that was because of the rules for them being new, and part of it is because even after those rules were put together FCC wanted to wait until the channel election procedure for full service stations had progressed "signifcantly" enough so that they+the stations would have a better idea of what channels would be available for digital LP in any given area.

Up here (SW Ohio/ N KY), about 1/2 the LP stations(some are LPTV, some are translators, one is Class A station) have submitted some sort of application to FCC to transistion to digital(either flash cut or for digital companion channels), the other 1/2 have done nothing so far regarding applications for digital as far as I can tell. Roughly about 1/2 of those which have applied for digital flash cut or digital companion channels up here have been granted Construction permits, recently. One of them, BTW being a digital companion channel for a KET LP translator in N KY. None of them are yet on the air with digital (Note: I don't know about the KET LP, as I wouldn't receive it here).

As for analog shut off date for LP's there isn't one, yet. FCC has said they are going to look at that at a later date. At first, i don't think it was clear whether or not they're would be a "analog shut off" for LP's, but I think I'd since read there is going to be some sort a requirement that LP stations "someday" discontinue transmitting analog but I think it's probably going to be sometime after analog shut off for full service stations(Feb 17, 2009) ... My wild guess is, probably sometime WELL after that ....

Update: HOWEVER -- There have been some reports on this forum that FCC may be looking at 2/17/09 for analog shut off date for LP's as well ... If that happens, I personally don't see how many LP stations will be able to convert to digital in time, as many of them have not filed ANY DTV apps with FCC as of yet, and currently, there is no requirement for them to go digital which I'm aware of.

Hope that answers your question sufficently ...

HDTVChallenged

05-25-07, 12:53 AM

Any one know what will happen to WBLU and other low power stations in February 2009?

At one point, they had an application to move to Ch10, I don't know if that is still the plan or if it is contingent upon what happens with Ch9(currently digital Ch10) in Cincinnati. I haven't checked the FCC database recently.

Nitewatchman

05-25-07, 01:35 AM

HDC,

WCPO-DT Cincinnati is staying on 10 post transistion. Don't know if that had anything to do with WBLU's permit to move to 10 being cancelled by FCC some time ago.
See here regarding that :http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_det.pl?Application_id=574334

Update: Hmm, I missed this one earlier, a newer one which was granted for WBLU on 10 in 2005, but doesn't show up on the TV query page :

http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_det.pl?Application_id=1045814

However, I'd think that one for 10 should be a "moot point" as well, as the "newest" CP for 42KW ERP is for 62, just issued this month to the new WBLU Owner (which shows up in Jb KY1's link and was just granted a couple of weeks ago) ....

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I do know We do have a LP on channel 36 in Cincinnati now. It's a TBN LP translator that moved from 61 about 1.5 years ago. From where I am(32 Miles North of Downtown cincinnati), it's often a mess on 36 due to WTVQ and the TBN LP being co channel and in the same direction so I can't "fix it" with a directional antenna ... The TBN (W36DG currently) has a Construction permit to flash cut to digital on 36, which could happen at any time ...

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Then, there's co-channel full service stations WKOI-DT 39 (TBN transmits from just north of cincinnati - don't ask me why we need TBN LP translators such as W36DG transmitting from well within WKOI's coverage area, as I have no idea) and WLEX-DT 39. At this point it appears, That will be the case post-transistion as well ... Suppose their directional antnena patterns help, + I haven't noticed any problem with it here since WKOI-DT went full power, but personally, I'm still not so sure that's a such a great idea either ....

kycubsfan

05-31-07, 07:23 PM

I recall hearing talk of WDKY possibly setting up a VHF repeater in the eastern part of the state ... any truth to this?

Thanks.

HDTVChallenged

06-01-07, 12:00 AM

Only speculation, AFAIK.

Roger_M

06-02-07, 10:28 PM

Weather conditions are right for good reception tonight! Time to do a signal scan if you can. I'm in Winchester and getting all the digital signals from Cincinnati, even 10.1 WCPO! I usually can not pick up Cin stations. Even with my Stealth antenna pointed at a right angle to Lexington, I can still pick up Lex stations and Cincinnati. Not a peep out of Louisville as I think I have an obstruction in that direction.

William Smith

06-04-07, 09:20 PM

They should have put their HD sub-channel on .1 instead off to a minor sub-channel! I usually look at 46.1 before going on to 56.1. But 46.4 is now on my favorites list.

Not quite...

The KET1 feed is the feed for both the digital and the analog services. To prevent the viewer confusion when scanning for channels KET1 is on -1 and KET2 is on -2.

The KET statewide STL system (55 hops of microwave) is limited to 19.39 Mbps so we can't run a separate feeds for the digitals and the analogs like most stations in the market can. With that limitation in mind KET1 and KET2 had to be full time services, while KET3,4,5,and 6 are part time.

Gruber22

06-05-07, 08:25 AM

BenCJedi

06-05-07, 10:50 PM

Does anyone use the Vista version of Media Center? I am new to MC and am going to be setting up a PC DVR for my parents soon. It will only be setup for digital OTA. My question is does the MC EPG provide good listings for all of our local digitals (and sub channels?) In particular, are listings for WUPX (67) provided?

I use a MCE 2005 system that I built and WUPX does provide guide listings, but only for the primary subchannel (ION) and not any of the others. One trick to setting up MCE is to pretend you have an Insight cable connection during MCE channel setup. This will allow you to tap into the cable guide info for the subchannels that don't have guide info if you setup as 'OTA'. This is particularly useful for assigning the CWKYT guide info to the WKYT-27.2 subchannel.. otherwise you get none if you set up as OTA. I don't know why Microsoft doesn't provide guide info for all the OTA subchannels, but borrowing the guide by remapping from Insight Cable in MCE does the trick. I don't know if Insight carries the other subchannels from WUPX, but if they do, you could map that religious channel, QUBO and ION-LIfe also. I didn't care enough about those subchannels to even try.

Gruber22

06-06-07, 08:00 AM

Thanks, Ben. Good tips. The new Dell comes in tomorrow. I had originally considered BeyondTV but I kept reading great stuff about the new Vista MC that comes with the new PC anyway. I'm surprised that even 27.2 isn't provided without having to fudge it.

GOT HDTV

06-07-07, 10:06 AM

Does anyone know if any of the Lexington or Louisville channels can be picked up OTA in my area. I have a antenna tower next to my house and would love to be able to use it to get hd ota. Has any one been successful in this are? I'm about 97 miles from Louisville and 70 from Lexington.

Any guidance would be appreciated.

Thanks

I think it should work, Just get as high up as you can sucessfully go, and mount an antenna like a CM 4221, OR Radio shack 15-2186 and go from there. Let me know how it all pans out. Give me a call @ 502-773-7969 and ask for Jay. Cheers.

William Smith

06-07-07, 10:41 AM

Unless we're in Japan.. though that may have been some test using some non-standard I was reading about. With the proper flagging it would be possible to broadcast 1080p movies (film), though right?

1080p /24 will fit in the 19.39 payload but what the receivers will support is anyones guess.. I did look at our encoder and it does support some 1080p formats.

tmk88

06-08-07, 11:20 PM

Need HD Atenna Help in Midway. I lived in Rural Scott County and could get all of the channels except Fox previously. Now I am in downtown Midway and have not yet purchased antennas. I would really like to be able to get all of the lexington channels including FOX (and it looks like by reading your posts it is highly possible if i knew what i was doing). I would prefer to go with an attic mount. Also, does anyone have any referrals for anyone who would install the antennas and get everything set up. I have two HD televisions and would love to get all of the channels on both tv's. Thanks in advance for your help.

HDTV4usinky

06-12-07, 02:43 PM

PD50U

06-15-07, 11:22 PM

jb_ky1

06-16-07, 02:58 PM

Here is a interesting article in the Lexington Herald

http://www.kentucky.com/101/story/99565.html

Roger_M

06-16-07, 06:57 PM

Here is a interesting article in the Lexington Herald

http://www.kentucky.com/101/story/99565.html

Well, eventually all analog signals will cease to exisit in 2009. Time Warner must see that they have to make plans now for a smooth transition from analog to digital for their customers. Dont make no beans for me as I use OTA for my local HD!

Mitchell

06-18-07, 01:06 PM

People, this is totally off message but I am coming back to KY for my Mother's memorial service. What is a good discount liquor store in Lexington? I need to stock as Virginia's prices are ludicrous. Forgive my intrusion but I am a member of the AVS forum in several other venues. Go Cats!

Hey Roger M. I was raised in Winchester. Going to stop and pick up some Ale8 on my way home.

bbonds

06-20-07, 02:51 PM

There's always Liquor Barn, but their prices aren't much cheaper than Kroger....just bigger selection.

Mitchell

06-20-07, 04:18 PM

There's always Liquor Barn, but their prices aren't much cheaper than Kroger....just bigger selection.

Thanks for the response. I think I had been there once before. Everybody is going to be cheaper than Virginia. They wholesale then retail it thru their ABC stores. What a mess.

lxngtnguy

06-22-07, 12:20 PM

ok ppl im new to here but not to hd, got a few ?'s on a reccomendation....i wanna put up a antenna to get more of the ota hd.....lets just say i live on harvard dr...wich is perpendicular to nick rd....i wanna pick up stations from a good distance from me i've attached the antenna diagram from antennaweb, i already get 18.1,27.1&2(dunno where.3 went), 36.1&2, 46(all123456), 67 1-4....this is off from a terk uhf/vhf amplified antenna setting behind my tv....i want an attic mount antenna...looking for fox(could sometimes get when i lived on darby creek....not now though....cincy stations and louisville....maybe further if possible....whould appreciate any suggestions on the best antenna to get.....not wild about roof mount but would be ok(no chimney to attach to)...thanks in advance

oh ne1 have dishntwrk and notice that wlex is cut off alot of times.....and whats with tnthd being so out of sync on the sound....

jb_ky1

06-25-07, 11:45 AM

Gaidal

06-25-07, 03:30 PM

I paged back to see if this was discussed recently...

Up until 1-2 months ago, I was getting ABC HD (36-1), along with NBC and CBS over Insight cable using builtin QAM tuner.

In the past, my Pany ocassionally would "forget" certain HD channels, but a rescan would bring everything back. This time, rescans bring in everything but 36-1.

Anyone still getting ABC HD (36-1) over Insight?

I'm pretty certain that I'm getting 36.1 with my QAM tuner (Phillips 37" LCD). I know things were iffy with the phillips until the last couple of firmware revisions but I don't seem to have any problems now.

On a side note, what is this 24/7 local weather channel that the lexington herald was mentioning? I use the motorola DVR box and don't see this for my 50" plasma. I'll take a look later.

volusiacat

06-29-07, 11:06 AM

Anyone has updated information when we may expect the Lexington locals (digital channels) on DirecTV?

HDTVChallenged

06-29-07, 11:10 AM

Anyone has updated information when we may expect the Lexington locals (digital channels) on DirecTV?

Nope ... but it's almost certainly tied to a successful launch of D10 (if not D11 as well) ... which means no sooner than Sept ... Oct ... Nov ... some time next year (etc) ... IOW, don't hold your breath.

bbonds

06-29-07, 12:11 PM

anyone else noticing a small horizontal line of garbage at the top of NBC-HD when the show is not in HD (using 4:3 aspect)?

LMUBill

06-29-07, 08:03 PM

PD50U

07-01-07, 08:33 PM

I'm pretty certain that I'm getting 36.1 with my QAM tuner (Phillips 37" LCD). I know things were iffy with the phillips until the last couple of firmware revisions but I don't seem to have any problems now.

On a side note, what is this 24/7 local weather channel that the lexington herald was mentioning? I use the motorola DVR box and don't see this for my 50" plasma. I'll take a look later.

Please post if you confirm 36.1. Thanks. I was wondering if it was some carriage rights spat and I'm sure if I call Insight, the CSR's will be clueless.

As to the weather channel, I'm pretty sure it used to be 36.2. I can't check because I no longer am tuning that either, at present.

hdinlexky2

07-03-07, 11:07 AM

Please le me know when you confirm 36.1. Thanks. I was wondering if it was some carriage rights spat and I'm sure if I call Insight, the CSR's will be clueless.

As to the weather channel, I'm pretty sure it used to be 36.2. I can't check because I no longer am tuning that either, at present.

I can confirm I get ABC on QAM on Insight in Lexington. They are broadcasting on QAM 81.1 (for main station) and 81.3 for the ABC weather and fox is on 81.2. Somehow they aren't sending the virtually channel info now for fox and abc, so when you do a scan it won't come up as 36.1 instead 81.1. I can confirm this with my Panasonic Plasma QAM tuner and with MyHD tv card.

FYI

Lexington Insight Over the air QAM mapping

27.1 to 27.2 QAM 72 (virtual channel include in QAM)
46.1 to 46.4 QAM 72 (virtual channel include in QAM)
36.1 to 36.2 QAM 81 (No virtual channel info include in QAM!)
56.1 QAM 81 (No virtual channel info include in QAM!)

This problem with virtual channel info for 36.1 and 56.1 seems like a new development since I used to get this info before.

BenCJedi

07-03-07, 02:22 PM

Is anyone getting good reception? I was getting some really great reception from my indoor antenna Saturday and Sunday morning. I got WEVV-DT, and WEHT-DT in Evansville, IN. Also WBXX-DT out of Knoxville, TN

But I still can't seem to get WDKY-DT.

Anyone know when the CWKYT be in HD?

I wrote the WKYT station manager a couple weeks ago mentioning it being almost over June and into July and still no CWKYT in high-def. I didn't get a response.

The evenings have been favorable for WBKI-DT. I got to see a couple episodes of Supernatural in HD with minimal breakups. That's a huge feat for having my antenna in an attic in Winchester. I'm condifent if I become confident to climb my roof and get the wife approval I can move the antenna to a mount there and increase my probability of reception of WBKI-DT regularly. I'm patiently waiting to see if WKYT can bring their CW to high-def with some technical marvel though. I hope I am surprised positively one day. They did say CW in HD was " in the works", but no one knows how they would pull it off.

Juppers

07-03-07, 02:28 PM

There is only one way for them to pull it off, 2 bit starved 720p streams. Would still be higher quality than most sat delivered HD is though.

BenCJedi

07-03-07, 02:40 PM

There is only one way for them to pull it off, 2 bit starved 720p streams. Would still be higher quality than most sat delivered HD is though.

That's a good point. I guess if this is the route they are pursuing than it means we won't ever have a problem archiving either CBS or CW programming onto single layer DVD+R media. One could only hope they are waiitng on equipment that will allow them to real-time re-encode their programming at state-of-the-art compression and still look good. Too bad MP4 technology was not created back when standards were being set for digital OTA transmission and reception in consumer devices.

jb_ky1

07-06-07, 11:53 AM

I wasn't able to get WKYT-DT at all this morning, around 6 am. Maybe they were working on the CW in HD?

HDTVChallenged

07-06-07, 12:04 PM

I wasn't able to get WKYT-DT at all this morning, around 6 am. Maybe they were working on the CW in HD?

I'm sorry, but I still don't understand why *anyone* would (desperately) want to see WKYT try to cram 2 HD sub-channels on to one transmitter. CBS-HD from WKYT is barely acceptable as it is now. If they can feed CW-HD directly to cable/DBS, then it's another beast.

Juppers

07-06-07, 12:19 PM

Seriously, a 8 mbit HD stream still looks a heck of alot better than SD, and most people are not able to tell the visual difference in a 8mbit stream and a 16mbit stream. They both still look great. As long as they avoid macroblocking during fast motion, it will be perfectly fine.

BenCJedi

07-06-07, 03:25 PM

I don't prefer 'bit-starving' either, but it would be helpful for OTA viewers outside the WBKI-DT range to enjoy high definition CW programming. Conditions out in Winchester seem most favorable after primetime for WBKI-DT reception, but all the 'good' HD programming is inaccessible since I only get enough signal to lock-on after primetime is over.

Why should satellite and cable customers reap a benefit that off-the-air viewers wouldn't get? As far as I know CW is not available on Time-Warner cable in any way, shape or form (I could be wrong). From my brief experiments with TWC, their HD was seriously lacking anyhow.

Is it possible that the satellite and cable companies would pay WKYT for a CW-HD feed to fund equipment upgrades for carrying CW-HD over the air? I think a better mpeg2 encoder could be how WKYT plans on sharing the CBS-HD and CW-HD bandwidth on the same 'pipe'.

HDTVChallenged

07-07-07, 12:22 AM

Why should satellite and cable customers reap a benefit that off-the-air viewers wouldn't get? As far as I know CW is not available on Time-Warner cable in any way, shape or form (I could be wrong).

Yep you're wrong ... at least on the local system here. In fact, TWC recently dumped the superior, macroblock free, analog signal they were getting from WBKI and replaced it with the barely passable CWKYT 480i.

Seriously, a 8 mbit HD stream still looks a heck of alot better than SD, and most people are not able to tell the visual difference in a 8mbit stream and a 16mbit stream. They both still look great. As long as they avoid macroblocking during fast motion, it will be perfectly fine.

Well, I have no trouble telling WLKY-DT/CBSHD from WKYT-DT/CBSHD ... I'm just glad I've got the options available. That having been said, I don't know what the heck WBKI is doing to wreck the HD feed of "Smallville," but it is pretty ugly at times.

jb_ky1

07-07-07, 09:57 AM

In Georgetown, the CWKYT is on channel 99. But nothing in HD.

dc_specialist

07-11-07, 08:06 PM

I'm new to all this HD stuff but I was wondering if any of you have the DB 2010 Hissense tuner. I have been trying to get the local HD channels without upgrading my TV and I got this tuner off ebay for $50 shipping included but now I have two problems can't tune in KET at all and the ABC has erratic signal strength that drops from 80-90% to almost nothiing.
I've made a couple of posts on the hardware forum for the 2010 but was hoping someone in the area might be more insightful.

P.S. I live in Richmond and have and A-Neutronics AVI 891 outdoor antenna.

William Smith

07-12-07, 10:08 PM

There was an upgrade to that unit ( a USB key) that "fixed" its issues with KET but I don't have a clue where to get it now. Search the hardware page in the Walmart box thread ( or USDigital) for information.

jb_ky1

07-12-07, 10:12 PM

I was told this about the CWKYT going HD also from someone at the station. The time frame is less than 30 days.

BenCJedi

07-13-07, 12:06 AM

I was told this about the CWKYT going HD also from someone at the station. The time frame is less than 30 days.

Since it obviously did not happen in June as that article a couple months back stated, I sure hope so. It's probably something they would like to have happen prior to the fall premiers.

HDTV4usinky

07-13-07, 03:41 PM

This problem with virtual channel info for 36.1 and 56.1 seems like a new development since I used to get this info before

WDKY is currently feeding Insight with a fiber feed. Insight received WDKY "OTA" until recently. Maybe that killed the virtual channel?

Nitewatchman

07-13-07, 03:48 PM

RE : Hisense/USDTV DB 2010 + KET --

FWIW, thought I should report I have DB2010 with USDTV software version 2.5.61 (24.18-7) and have had no problems I can recall with it and KET(usually via WCVN-DT Covington, KY).

I've never upgraded it, bought it new (supposedly) from Walmart in Summer 2005.

pdenton

07-27-07, 12:46 AM

i recently bought an HDTV, sharp LC-32D42U, which has atsc, ntsc, and qam tuners built in. I found a post in the thread listing the qam channels that insight has (72.1, etc) but none seem to work for me. Whenever I try to tune to one, it goes to some really high channel like 27733 and says for example "cant find signal on 72.1". Any ideas? One theory I have is because I live in an apt building, the signal coming in is being split and the signal strength is too degraded by the time it gets to me.

pdenton

07-27-07, 06:35 PM

not that I actually thought they would tell me but I called Insight and asked how to get their QAM channels w/o a cable box and they said you cant. oh well, time to manually search thru all the channels

HDTV4usinky

07-30-07, 12:53 PM

New found site for reception analysis http://www.tvfool.com

cmconner156

07-30-07, 02:33 PM

CyberWhip

07-31-07, 10:57 PM

cmconner156
I live 35mi out from Lexington (Mt Sterling) and have Dish 622 using antenna to get OTA locals. Seems to work pretty good, I am very happy with my current setup. I get all local HD channels, but, you will most likely have to work to get Fox56. Most people have to install a second antenna (low VHF, 4) to get Fox. You can read back through this thread and see all the various solutions for fox.

cpcat

08-01-07, 07:59 AM

lxngtnguy

08-02-07, 12:46 PM

Hi, i'm new to Lexington and when I got here I started out with Insight. I'm not terribly happy with the channels they provide or even the quality of the service. I was wondering if anyone has used Dish Network with the OTA Antenna for the local HD channels? I would like to switch, but no if the I can't get the local channels in HD. Anyone in Lexington have any experience with this and any advice?

Thanks
Chris

DirectTV will be offering locals over satellite in HD very soon (without need for an antenna). I'm not sure if Dish is planning on doing this.

E*(Dish) is to have Lex locals in HD before end of year I have spoken with WLEX, WKYT, WTVQ station managers and I know someone in the executive offices of E* that have all confirmed that Lex will be HD, as of now the channels are set to be put on the 118.7(5) satellite as E* is trying to lessen the amount of dishes needed to receive all their channels so no 61.5 location(satellite is not healthy anyway) I have personally seen a letter from WLEX to E* talking about september, and any other E* subs out there should be able to tell you that if you watch the Today show and a commercial comes on like the Tylenol commercial that the image is streatched off screen...this is because E* is already receiving the broadcast from WLEX in HD just not rebroadcasting in HD.

On another note: Currently 33 Channels are available in lex in HD from E*(5 are movie: HBO SHo Starz Cinemax HDPPV) so you can get 28 with no movie packages 6 additional are being added on 8/15, 1 on 9/1 and more yet uknown mid sept (i believe local launch and other hd stations).......1 of the 28 is an RSN(FoxSportsCincinatti)

D*(DirecTV) only has 8 regular HD channels(MHD coming soon{on E* 8/15}) only 2 movie in HD (HBO, SHo) and some RSNs(Regional Sports Networks{which only the channel for your region is available}youll get FSC{same as E*} HDNet{when it shows sports) and YESHD

Also currently it requires you to have a dish with the AT9 antenna (google it if you want to see what it looks like) 5(yeah count em 5 LNB's to get D*(DirecTV)'s full HD Lineup and a $199.00 to get HDDVR....

With E*(Dish) you will need a dish with 3 LNB 4 if ya wanna get techie (119/118.7 is one piece but actually 2 LNB's) the Dish1000+ google-> Dish 1000 plus ,if ya wanna see it, a FREE....YES I SAID FREE!!! dual tuner HDDVR that you can watch in 2 different rooms showing different programs on each tv, usb is being enabled for external HD(MASSIVE storage of library) and ethernet port being enabled for phoning home and other features and adventually Vip(Video over internet protocol)

so you make your pick based on info.... pay 200 bucks for a HDDVR from DirecTV that you can only watch in 1 room, no expandable storage, have fewer channels in hd or get a free HDDVR from E*(Dish) that you can watch in 2 rooms, expandable storage already have access to 33(if you want all movie packages 28 if ya don't 6 being added in 13 days 1 more on 9/1 and more in mid sept which are probably local hd and other hd channels.....

I must say I DONT WORK FOR E*......I HAVE NOTHING TO GAIN FROM YOUR CHOOSING TO BE A CUSTOMER(if you do)....I am an E* customer myself and just know from my experience with D* that I hated them CS sucked and since I've been with E*(about 7 years now) I've always had good CS not much problems with equipment or anything...but you have to make up your own mind.....

SORRY THIS HAS BEEN SO LONG BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL THE FACTS ARE BEING LAID OUT IF SOMEONE IS GOING TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION

HAPPY HDTVing :)

cmconner156

08-02-07, 02:52 PM

BenCJedi

08-02-07, 05:37 PM

cpcat

08-02-07, 08:29 PM

On another note: Currently 33 Channels are available in lex in HD from E*(5 are movie: HBO SHo Starz Cinemax HDPPV) so you can get 28 with no movie packages 6 additional are being added on 8/15, 1 on 9/1 and more yet uknown mid sept (i believe local launch and other hd stations).......1 of the 28 is an RSN(FoxSportsCincinatti)

D*(DirecTV) only has 8 regular HD channels(MHD coming soon{on E* 8/15}) only 2 movie in HD (HBO, SHo) and some RSNs(Regional Sports Networks{which only the channel for your region is available}youll get FSC{same as E*} HDNet{when it shows sports) and YESHD

:)

D* will offer over 100 HD channels by years end (or at least that what they are advertising). Many of the current E* HD channels are left over from the now defunct Voom sat service and are channels most have never heard of.

I would suggest anyone choosing between the two do their own research before making a decision. You will obviously find proponents of both.

Here is a good place to start:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=&f=34

lxngtnguy

08-03-07, 11:12 AM

Wow, thanks for all the info! That helps alot! One last question if you don't mind. The person at the store couldn't give me a clear answer on this one. If I have an HDTV in two rooms is there any way I can get HD in both rooms? Either by the dual room features alread on the HD DVR or a second HD DVR? Also any clue on the cost of a second HD DVR?

Thanks for all the info! It was extremely helpful!

To answer your question takes 2 parts:

Yes you can get HD in both rooms....It would require a second receiver. As of now no company makes a receiver that is capable of delivering HD output to 2 separate televisions viewing different content. With the Vip622 receiver your 2nd tv would be getting an analog signal from either coax or if you wanna stretch cables that far(it doesn't improve quality) from composite video(yellow, red/white RCA plugs).

Although its not currently enabled (it is supposed to be this year, one of the other features I spoke of in my other post) E* is going to allow you to use the ethernet port on the receivers to transmit shows from one to the other like TiVo does currently, have one DVR and all the others can share the content.....however, the Vip211 receiver does have a usb port and once enabled you could record to an external HD. The option is there in the recoding menu when you tell a timer that you want to record a program it says currently "Record to Ext" but as of now it does not work.

E* will not lease but 1 Vip622 per customer at this time...you would have to buy your second 622 so(and they are very expensive around $1000.00 last time I checked) what I would do is....(if you wanna go with E*)

Call E* and tell them you have 3 tv's(I did something similar for my mom) 2 HD 1 SD....you want a 622(will run 1 of your HD and your 1 SD) and a 211 will run the other HD.....when the installer comes out tell them to hook the two receivers up one to each hd tv and tell him that you aren't sure where you want your SD(coming from 622) going yet as you are planning on moving tv(unless you do actually have a 3rd tv that you want hooked up that is).....wait for usb enabling and buy a external HD for your 211(should be done in sept from what I understand and have seen on tech chat on Ch 100 from E*) that lets you have 2 rooms full HD and DVR in both rooms without having to pay out the nose.

Theres one catch....you cant get the Dish 1000+ right now unless you get a foreign language channel and don't have clear view of 61.5....I had to call corporate office to get them to give me that dish( I knew lex locals were gonna be on 118.7 and was having issue with my regular Dish 1000(LNB going bad) so I wanted to go ahead and get the new dish so that they wouldn't be out twice and me pay $29.95 for service call to fix dish 1000 then $59.95 to install dish 1000+.....I subscribed to a foreign language and told them you cant see the 61.5 sat from my house....voila Dish 1000+ installed....if you wait till locals are on 118.7 then they will automatically give Dish 1000+....but why would you wanna wait to have glorious HDTV??? If you tell them you cant see 61.5 sat then there wont be any additional cost for you since you are new customer.....thats in your advantage

Hope this helps....Happy HDTVing :)

BenCJedi

08-03-07, 02:05 PM

I've been an E* customer since 1999 and moved around Lexington 3 times since, but always kept my same 'home' address while only updating the billing address for each move. I did this to retain the distant network waivers I had up until the beginning of this year. It doesn't really matter anymore since my distants are gone forever. E* gives the best perks to the new customers and doesn't seem to care about their existing customers. I currently get NO HD at all from E* because I only have old receivers and an old Dish 500 dish and two SW-21 switches. I'm running on MPEG2 dinosaurs and missing out on the HD channels I could be enjoying from our movie packages we subscribe to (though I still wish to utilize my Dishplayer 7100 for its modded harddrive/pull/rip ability I have it configured with). What is the best way I can become a 'new customer' again without raising a red flag? I was thinking my wife could become the new customer using her maiden name and our current house address will become the home and billing addresses. Would that work? I heard that E* is picky about credit these days. A guy I know with a 700+ credit score was denied E* service.. they told him "I guess your credit score isn't high enough". Is it difficult to obtain service, or was that a fluke? My wife doesn't like the idea of not owning our equipment either (lease fees, DVR fees, second receiver fees). So I may not do anything until Dish is forced to deal with people without MP4 capable receivers... just will have to continue using alternative sources of HD movies maybe.

lxngtnguy

08-03-07, 03:12 PM

D* will offer over 100 HD channels by years end (or at least that what they are advertising). Many of the current E* HD channels are left over from the now defunct Voom sat service and are channels most have never heard of....Here is a good place to start…]

Not to start an E* vs. D* war but:(and this kinda doesn’t belong in this thread...but it does affect Lex HDTV) both current and planned....

E* HDTV/D* HDTV
Current:

Discovery HD Theater
ESPN
ESPN 2
HDNet
HDNet Movies
TNT
Universal HD
HBO-E
SHO-E
HDPPV

HERE STARTS DIFFERENCE
ALREADY ON E*/ PLANNED FOR D*→(AVAIL SEPT)

A&E
FOOD NETWORK
HGTV
NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC
CINEMAX
STARZ
NFL NETWORK
ANIMANIA HD ???(PROBABLY NEVER VOOM CHANNEL)
EQUATOR HD ???(PROBABLY NEVER VOOM CHANNEL)
FAMILY ROOM HD ???(PROBABLY NEVER VOOM CHANNEL)
FILM FEST HD ???(PROBABLY NEVER VOOM CHANNEL)
GAME PLAY HD ???(PROBABLY NEVER VOOM CHANNEL)
GALLERY HD ???(PROBABLY NEVER VOOM CHANNEL)
HDNEWS ???(PROBABLY NEVER VOOM CHANNEL)
KUNG FU HD ???(PROBABLY NEVER VOOM CHANNEL)
MONSTERS HD ???(PROBABLY NEVER VOOM CHANNEL)
RAVE HD ???(PROBABLY NEVER VOOM CHANNEL)
RUSH HD ???(PROBABLY NEVER VOOM CHANNEL)
TREASURE HD ???(PROBABLY NEVER VOOM CHANNEL)
ULTRA HD ???(PROBABLY NEVER VOOM CHANNEL)
WORLD CINEMA HD ???(PROBABLY NEVER VOOM CHANNEL)
WORLDSPORT HD ???(PROBABLY NEVER VOOM CHANNEL)

ON E* 8/15-- ON D* SEPTEMBER
MHD
GOLF/VERSUS
ANIMAL PLANET
SCIENCE CHANNEL
TLC
DISCOVERY CHANNEL
HISTORY CHANNEL (AVAIL 9/1 on E*)

ON D* SEPTEMBER/ ON E* MAYBE MID SEPTEMBER
BIG TEN
CNN
TBS
WEATHER CHANNEL(SEE NOTE 1)
HBO (W, 2E/W, FAM E/W,SIG)
CINEMAX(E/W, MOREMAX)E* ALREADY HAS MAX E IN HD
THE MOVIE CHANNEL
SHOWTIME WEST
STARZ(E/W, EDGE, COMEDY, KIDS)E*ALREADY HAS STARZ E IN HD

FALL OF 2007 D* PLANS/ON E* MAYBE MID SEPT OR SAME AS D*
BRAVO
CARTOON NETWORK
CHILLER
CNBC
FX
SCIFI
SLEUTH
SPEED
USA

DEC OF 2007 D* PLANS/ON E* MAYBE MID SEPT OR SAME AS D*
TENNIS

SPRING 2008 D* PLANS/ON E* MAYBE MID SEPT OR SAME AS D*
ABC FAMILY
DISNEY CHANNEL
ESPN NEWS
MGM
TOON DISNEY

RSN’S (Regional Sports Networks)…NEITHER PROVIDER WILL CARRY THE SAME BOTH D* & E* HAVE DIFFERENT FOCUS ON SPORTS…. However E* already has 17 and more coming 8/15….D* is to have 21 sometime in fall of 2007

NOTE 1: TWC IS NOT GOING TO BE TRUE HD FOR SOME TIME IT’S A 480P SIGNAL FROM TWC’S STUDIO UPCONVERTED BY BROADCASTERS

E* has been in the forefront of HD now for some time…and you can bet that if D* has intentions of launching these channels for their customers then E* will too…if anything they will try to stay ahead of D* just as they have now for a couple of years…and if they launch all the same channels even though they are not widely heard of they will still have the edge because of the Voom channels…and I must say that they have good movies and educational shows along with concerts and sports on the Voom channels…since E* acquired Voom I don’t see them selling access to D* so D* is likely never to have them

ALSO: E* has signed agreement with MGM to carry all MGM movies on demand. …and they are reportedly working on the same with TimeWarner & Sony

Lastly: E* Currently has 13 satellites…2 more in Dec…7 more on the way and owns 1 that doesn’t work well because of solar panel problems, 1 providing service to Sprint/Nextel rest of satellite is empty, and 2 orbital slots currently unoccupied

D* on the other hand has 11 up an 2 on the way

so you make your guess as to who is gonna be ahead...i guess E* they have more capacity and places to put new ones

HDTVChallenged

08-04-07, 11:12 AM

There are D* Slimline dishes sprouting like dandelions all around me. Most of them are replacing E* Dish500's that have been up for years ... It's ironic that I may be the last house on the block to upgrade to the Slimeline/5LNB, considering that I was almost certainly the first on the block to go HD. :D

Roger_M

08-04-07, 12:50 PM

BenCJedi

08-05-07, 02:36 PM

Roger, I was definitely thinking that. When I logon to my account they offer the $199 deal for the VIP622 with a 2-year commitment. The question is whether they will provide the multiswitch and LNBs to give me at least 3 TVs and access to all the satellites the dish needs to point at. Right now my Dish 500 system is capped at 2 receivers only. Also looks like it will cost me another $21/month than it does now for the additional receiver fee ($5), DVR recording ability fee ($5), receiver lease fee ($6) and landline waiver fee ($5 - since I don't have a landline phone connection and evidently the receiver requires it). My ancient Dishplayer 7100 has no such DVR recording fee, no landline fee and no lease fee since I bought it for about $150. I tell ya.. the stupid things companies come up with to suck more money out of the customer...

In other news, looks like the .3 radar subchannel on WKYT has returned, titled 'First Alert Live HD'. The map is very lossy, but I have got to wonder if they are gearing-up for the CW in HD and screwing around with bitrates to see what the best picture they can achieve will be.

Roger_M

08-05-07, 09:17 PM

Also looks like it will cost me another $21/month than it does now for the additional receiver fee ($5), DVR recording ability fee ($5), receiver lease fee ($6) and landline waiver fee ($5 - since I don't have a landline phone connection and evidently the receiver requires it). My ancient Dishplayer 7100 has no such DVR recording fee, no landline fee and no lease fee since I bought it for about $150. I tell ya.. the stupid things companies come up with to suck more money out of the customer...

.

Yeah, I used to have Direct TV and had the phone hooked up at start but later unpluged it just in case it decided to dial out and order a movie and pizza! Never got charged for having it unpluged. That was 4 years ago.

Was looking forward to ordering DishNetwork before Christmas but the only fee I will be paying is for HD. Got my own DVR (Polaroid) and I dont plan on ordering movies. I belive that the 2 receivers will service 3 TVs, Ben.

HDTVChallenged

08-07-07, 12:37 AM

In other news, looks like the .3 radar subchannel on WKYT has returned, titled 'First Alert Live HD'.

Well as long as they insist on mucking up the network feeds, they might as well do something useful. ;)

WLKY for CBS, WBKI for CW and WKYT for radar ... works for me. :D

steverichmond

08-07-07, 01:11 PM

Yeah, I used to have Direct TV and had the phone hooked up at start but later unpluged it just in case it decided to dial out and order a movie and pizza! Never got charged for having it unpluged. That was 4 years ago.

Was looking forward to ordering DishNetwork before Christmas but the only fee I will be paying is for HD. Got my own DVR (Polaroid) and I dont plan on ordering movies. I belive that the 2 receivers will service 3 TVs, Ben.

Roger,
How did you get Dish to do a $5.00 waiver fee? I have 3 phyisical receivers, A VIP211 and 2 SD recievers that control 2 tv each. Anyway, I recently switched my home phne network from land line to cell phone based. Now They are charging me $10.00 per month. I can see where the recievers are dialing out,however I suspect the communications are working since it is cell based. I didn't think about the Sat. receivers when I made the switch.

Steve

BenCJedi

08-07-07, 02:48 PM

Roger,
How did you get Dish to do a $5.00 waiver fee? I have 3 phyisical receivers, A VIP211 and 2 SD recievers that control 2 tv each. Anyway, I recently switched my home phne network from land line to cell phone based. Now They are charging me $10.00 per month. I can see where the recievers are dialing out,however I suspect the communications are working since it is cell based. I didn't think about the Sat. receivers when I made the switch.

Steve

That's what I am afraid of.. the new lack-of-landline fees Dish has started to charge people (per receiver evidently). I don't have a VoIP provider like Vonage either. It's dumb something so archaic as a landline is holding me back from HD movie channels.

Now if Dish starts putting RJ45 connectors with ethernet hookups in their receivers to share account info via network, I'd be happy to plug up. Why don't they do that?

steverichmond

08-07-07, 02:54 PM

That's what I am afraid of.. the new lack-of-landline fees Dish has started to charge people (per receiver evidently). I don't have a VoIP provider like Vonage either. It's dumb something so archaic as a landline is holding me back from HD movie channels.

Now if Dish starts putting RJ45 connectors with ethernet hookups in their receivers to share account info via network, I'd be happy to plug up. Why don't they do that?

The VIP HD series have a ethernet port, however, the docs say its for the future integration. I've never connected mine to my network. I may need to play with that :D

Roger_M

08-07-07, 05:50 PM

Roger,
How did you get Dish to do a $5.00 waiver fee? I have 3 phyisical receivers, A VIP211 and 2 SD recievers that control 2 tv each. Anyway, I recently switched my home phne network from land line to cell phone based. Now They are charging me $10.00 per month. I can see where the recievers are dialing out,however I suspect the communications are working since it is cell based. I didn't think about the Sat. receivers when I made the switch.

Steve

You have misunderstood me, I have not negotiated a service plan yet with Dish. I currently have DSL running on my land lines with my home phone that gets little use as we have cell phones. With DSL running I must have filter jacks on all my phone lines so I can receive my network connection. Damn if I'm going bend over for Dish just because some bureaucrat in the company thought it would be profitable to demand that the customers have phone hookups or be charged extra if they dont! I'll find some way around that rule.

Roger

Juppers

08-07-07, 06:08 PM

Those filters won't affect normal phone service. They only block the frequencies the DSL runs on, which is way above normal phone service.

HDTV4usinky

08-08-07, 08:18 AM

WDKY HD is scheduled to be off air today 8/8/07 due to strobe light repair. This may move to a date later in the week if weather becomes an issue. This should be daytime work only. The analog transmitter will be reduced in power, but it will remain on air.

himesky

08-13-07, 01:37 PM

Mr. ******

Yes…we will be broadcasting the CWkyt in HD this fall. As a matter of fact, we plan to begin the HD broadcast within the next 2 weeks. Thank you for contacting WKYT-TV and please don’t hesitate to contact us again if you have any additional questions.

Mike Kanarek

WKYT-TV/DT

BenCJedi

08-13-07, 03:28 PM

The station manager replied to me this afternoon and says his engineers are working on CWKYT-HD and tell him 'anytime now'. He said they are working to complete ASAP. Hopefully we'll see the results (good or bad) soon.

himesky

08-13-07, 08:43 PM

I live in north Madison Co . and was wondering what the best results anyone one has ever had with the Louisville or Cincy Knoxville stations?? What kind of setup?

Roger_M

08-13-07, 09:43 PM

I live in north Madison Co . and was wondering what the best results anyone one has ever had with the Louisville or Cincy Knoxville stations?? What kind of setup?

I live in Winchester and can only receive Cincinnati stations under cerain weather conditions. Nothing out of Louisville or Knoxville. I am using a small Steath antenna for bedroom TV and a large Deep Fringe antenna for the living room. Both have pre-amps. Not much difference between them. Receiving all Lexington stations plus one Morehead (67 PAX).

himesky

08-14-07, 09:01 AM

I have a large attic antenna that purchased for analog TV back in 2000 I am almost sure it has no real HD design. I was wondering if the update to a 2007 HD antenna in the attic would pull in some other stations. My lex locals are great. PAX is good I am just want more more more.

m_vanmeter

08-14-07, 09:15 AM

"himesky"
PLEASE, trust us when we say...."there is no such thing as an HDTV antenna" !

All television antennas will receive analog and digital TV the same, as long as they are the proper antenna for the frequency used....VHF and/or UHF.

The whole concept of a specific HD TV antenna was pure marketing hype, mostly from the early days of digital TV when all the channels were supposed to be in the UHF frequency range. The broadcasters cried about losing the VHF channels, so the FCC relented and we continue into the digital age with channels in both the VHF and UHF frequency range. Those early HDTV antennas "looked" fancy and high tech, but at their heart they were the same old dipole or yagi designs that have been the standard for TV antennas for many years.

Reception with your attic antenna will have more to do with how it is pointed and positioned to receive the digital TV broadcasts and how much the received signal is attenuated by the roofing on your house.

Put you full address in www.antennaweb.org and when you get the results, click on the little button on top of the list for digital stations only. You will then know the distance and magnetic compass direction to each TV station you want to receive. You can also check how you antenna is currently positioned and see why you may not be receiving all the stations you want.

Gruber22

08-14-07, 09:16 AM

himesky - No difference with HD antenna - exactly the same as traditional antenna. The HD part is strictly marketing. Now, it COULD make a difference but only due to the antenna itself possibly being better in general. You really would not gain much anyway especially in the attic if you already get the Lex stations. Are you getting WDKY-DT ? This is typically the hardest of our locals as it actually comes in on channel 4, which is hard to tune due to so much interference that is typical on that frequency (4).

EDIT: Doh! A little slow....

jb_ky1

08-14-07, 11:59 AM

I am guessing once the CWKYT goes HD, that 27-3 (Radar) will be gone.

HDTVChallenged

08-14-07, 12:59 PM

I am guessing once the CWKYT goes HD, that 27-3 (Radar) will be gone.

ROTFL ... hey, with these guys you never know. :D Frankly, I'd just as soon have the radar.

himesky

08-14-07, 01:56 PM

[QUOTE=Gruber22]himesky - No difference with HD antenna - exactly the same as traditional antenna. The HD part is strictly marketing. Now, it COULD make a difference but only due to the antenna itself possibly being better in general. You really would not gain much anyway especially in the attic if you already get the Lex stations. Are you getting WDKY-DT ? This is typically the hardest of our locals as it actually comes in on channel 4, which is hard to tune due to so much interference that is typical on that frequency (4).

WDKY-DT is really strong on my meter. I believe there tower is actually in Madison Co. maybe just 2 miles away. I was just hoping to get a better antenna and see if I could get other cities so maybe different NFL games.

m_vanmeter

08-14-07, 02:17 PM

to get other cities, in different physical directions, you will need to mount your antenna outside on a rotor. high gain TV antennas are very directional and aside from some reception from the side lobes, they mainly receive on their primary axis.

BenCJedi

08-14-07, 06:27 PM

Just a note that WKYT is definitely tweaking the bitrates of their subchannels. I recorded Smallville on August 9th and after editing out commercials, the 42-minute show was only 754MB. It was normally about 1.2 to 1.4GB per show. The quality of the MPEG2 is about the same as Dish Network MPEG2 now, but slightly higher resolution. Hopefully they work some magic for CW-HD.

demonspawn

08-15-07, 10:13 PM

just to get this out.

I work for elan home systems in lexington in the tech support dept.

we are currently hiring people for tech support.

if you feel you qualify send your resume to tech@elanhomesystems.com

car audio experience would be a plus!
pc and networking also!

jb_ky1

08-16-07, 10:26 AM

demonspawn

08-16-07, 01:09 PM

yea it is fast paced here but the toys are fun and the people are nice :D

jb_ky1

08-16-07, 09:41 PM

Anyone getting good signals tonight? I am getting some great ones out of eastern Ky. I got analog WYMT 57 really well. Couldn't get WYMT-DT.

I did get WKHA-DT, WAVG-DT 51, which kicked out WMYO-DT.

civguy

08-17-07, 08:08 AM

My Digital 27-1, 27-2, 27-3 OTA has been down since at least 8 pm last night. Is it down for anyone else? If not, I will assume there is something wrong with my own system. I know Lexington got hit pretty hard just before that with major storms. Please let me know. Thanks!

Oops! I just found the problem. The wind turned my antenna around facing the wrong way. Works fine now. Nevermind.

jb_ky1

08-17-07, 09:07 AM

steverichmond

08-17-07, 09:19 AM

I couldn't get WKYT-DT this morning, and WLEX-DT signal was all over the place going from 20% to 97%.

I was able to get WKYT-DT and WLEX-DT here in Morehead, but the signal strength was way down. The odd thing was that Fox 56 DT was very strong. I normally stuggle with it a bit, but not this morning.

Steve

Roger_M

08-19-07, 09:10 AM

Arrrrrrrgh! The light hurts my eyes! :o

civguy

08-20-07, 08:50 AM

I love the new look. I can read it better.
Come to the liiiiiiiight.... Come to the liiiiiiiight....

BenCJedi

08-20-07, 10:16 AM

Looks the same to me, as I have always used Firefox with the Webdev extension and turned off page colors. :)

HDTVChallenged

08-20-07, 07:09 PM

Well folks, it looks like CWKYT is up in 16:9 format ... I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume it's 720p until proven otherwise. It did appear that the evening news on 27.1 was noticeably "softer" than WLEX's newscast on 18.1 ... at least for the studio shots. Welcome to HD in < 8 Mbps avg??? Oooh and the DD5.1 light is finally lit up ... 50 minutes to primetime network feed.

Juppers

08-20-07, 08:15 PM

I think the CW feed looks a bit cleaner than the CBS side. They both looks pretty good. I can live with that.

Nitewatchman

08-20-07, 08:31 PM

KYT is not coming here, currently, look forward to seeing it soon though ...

But, I'd probably wait until something like NFL HD football+CW HD is airing simultanously before coming to any/many conclusions ... Even better if a little tropo is coming in and you can compare to a station like WBNS-DT Columbus, which is not multicasting and sending "full bore" CBS HD at 1080i and 18Mb/s+ available to HD video ....(at least that's what they were doing the last I saw them ...)

steverichmond

08-20-07, 09:12 PM

I think the CW feed looks a bit cleaner than the CBS side. They both looks pretty good. I can live with that.

The amazing thing is that the Weather Radar 27.3 is still up. :)

BenCJedi

08-20-07, 10:49 PM

CBS-HD definitely looks softer to me

http://lh6.google.com/bencjedi/RspF-QeyNnI/AAAAAAAAAts/arQz5qPDfKY/s800/WKYT-HD01.jpg
http://lh6.google.com/bencjedi/RspF8QeyNlI/AAAAAAAAAtc/J1UD5YHSVgo/s800/WKYT-HD02.JPG

On the other hand CWKYT-HD is looking much better than it did standard def
http://lh3.google.com/bencjedi/RspF9geyNmI/AAAAAAAAAtk/fj8MDByEuRI/s800/CWKYT-HD01.jpg
http://lh6.google.com/bencjedi/RspHFQeyNoI/AAAAAAAAAuQ/7__OQdYmhac/s800/CWKYT-HD02.jpg

Both are 1280X720 w/ DD5.1 audio. Ignore the bitrate in those screenshots. It can't possibly be correct.

Watching Oprah and the audio is faster than the video. Hmm..

Nitewatchman

08-21-07, 02:52 AM

Well, that didn't take long ... Getting a lock on WKYT-DT over the last hour up here(along with WDKY-DT and WTVQ-DT), unfortunetly they're not running any HD programming currently of course ...

Both are 1280X720

Yep That's what I got via some screencaps as well, they certianly appear to be sending 1280x720 on both 27.1 and 27.2 with 27.3 radar 480i as usual ...

It can't possibly be correct.

Yep, that's wrong+only the info from a "maximum bitrate" descriptor, I've seen stations have these set as high as 80MB/s, some 4+ more times more than what is even possible with only ONE video stream with ATSC/8VSB in 6MHZ RF channel ....

So Attached in zipfile is HTML output file(and some jpg thumbnails) from TS reader of WKYT's Transport stream ...

The PID usage chart near bottom of page should show correct bandwidth/bitrate for the Streams .. PID at 0x0031 is 27.1 video stream(8.28Mb/s at time of this capture), 0x0041 is 27.2 video stream(5.25Mb/s), 0x0051 is 27.3 video stream(1.70Mb/s currently)_/etc ... 01xfff are null packets, 2.88 Mb/s of them currently ... Wonder if that(and presumably less bandwidth for radar) will be enough "extra" when 27.1 has NFL HD football and CW HD has HD programming on Sunday late afternoon evening (they do run HD programming in those time slots when HD is "available", as used to be the case with WB Easyview as well) ...

As SD video and home shopping goes/etc, it does look pretty good upconverted to 720p currently at those bitrates ..

HDTVChallenged

08-21-07, 10:26 AM

jb_ky1

08-21-07, 11:48 AM

In further developments, it appears that WKYT has finally obtained the ability to record and store HD programming locally. (Y&R was miraculously in "HD" this AM.)

I have to admit that it's not nearly as bad as I was expecting, OTOH I can easily tell the difference compared to WBKI and WLKY. ..... We'll see how it plays out on Sunday afternoons. ;)

It wasn't bad at all. Really shocked it isn't playing that bad. Also surprised to see 27-3 playing. That looks to be playing better too.

On the Direct TV on channel 14 (CWkyt), it looks like analog 18, with the black box around the picture.

Just wonder if Wheel and Jeopardy will be in HD tonight?

BenCJedi

08-21-07, 12:02 PM

I've been able to record and play back HD for like 3+ years now with a $250 HD capture card. Of course my source is OTA and theirs is probably satellite, so the equipment was probably obscenely expensive.

I'm impressed with what they were able to accomplish. Do you think they are not packing as many null packets in the broadcast stream? I guess the best indication would be for me to record an hour-long HD show today and edit out commercials and null packets and see what filesize I would end-up with and compare to episodes of CSI captured and edited last fall.

Roger_M

08-21-07, 12:27 PM

In further developments, it appears that WKYT has finally obtained the ability to record and store HD programming locally. (Y&R was miraculously in "HD" this AM.)
;)

I checked my DVR and you are correct in that the Young and the Restless was indeed broadcast in full HD. A month ago I started recording four soaps for my wife and they were in HD but not in widecreen format. I could have sworn before when 18 first went HD that the show was in widescreen, but noticed a month ago when I got the DVR that it was in the standard 4:3 pic mode. Maybe the other stations will follow suit soon.

Juppers

08-21-07, 07:17 PM

No Wheel in HD tonight. Drat. Jeopardy maybe?

himesky

08-21-07, 08:39 PM

Any Richmond people know if you can get any HD channels on Time Warner Cable with a QAM tuner. IF so numbers and what are they???

Thanks

BenCJedi

08-22-07, 12:15 AM

HDTVChallenged

08-22-07, 12:58 AM

CBS-HD, Letterman, 1 hour show

Full show with commercials = 2.88GB
Edited show without commercials and null packets stripped = 2.08GB

Looks like I will only need half as many single-layer DVD+R discs for the fall shows. Quality down with lots of macro-blocking! Not too bad for the shows I watch, but watch out sports fans.. I'll just stay out of your way. :)

Yeah ... I did a bit of WLKY/WKYT comparisons on Letterman ... not so good tonight on WKYT. Plus they seem to have the dolby encoder locked on 5.1 which made Letterman sound thin and "tinny."

BenCJedi

08-23-07, 10:47 PM

Smallville actually looked almost the same on CWKYT as on WBKI-DT tonight (on my 32" LCD set). A little more artifacting on CWKYT, but overall impressive. Fortunately WBKI-DT had the right atmospheric conditions for me to pick it up tonight to make an A/B comparison. Course WKYT had Smallville sharing the bandwidth with Big Brother (a 4:3 aspect SD show) on their CBS subchannel, so maybe more bandwidth was sent to CW during this time. I wonder if their system is optimized for this sort of bandwidth balancing. If true, it is fine for SD on one channel while HD on the other and vice versa, but when both go HD, then one suffers or they both do maybe.

HDTVChallenged

08-24-07, 01:05 AM

Smallville actually looked almost the same on CWKYT as on WBKI-DT tonight (on my 32" LCD set).

Humm ... I was just about to say I think CWKYT may be doing a better job than WBKI overall, if only because WKYT's encoder actually seems to work (vs WBKI's glitchy/blocky mess.) The DD5.1 helps too. OTOH, there's no denying that CBS-HD has taken a significant hit compared to WLKY. Of course, I reserve the right to change my mind as more data points come in.

Bonus points for CWKYT, since I don't have to worry about spinning the rotor around. ;)

HDTVChallenged

08-24-07, 11:53 AM

Bonus points for CWKYT, since I don't have to worry about spinning the rotor around. ;)

... Bonus points that are offset by WKYT's persistence in trying to burn their channel logos into my display. Did they learn nothing from destroying several RPTV's in their own news studio???? Why, Why, Why??? :mad: :confused:

I guess I'll just have to make sure I don't watch any non-HD/non-16:9 programming from these jokers.

jb_ky1

08-24-07, 11:57 AM

WKYT 27 sidebars aren’t that bad, but the CWKYT I see doing more damage.

I also wanted to know, but is anyone getting WBLU-LP 62? I know they had a construction permit to boost the power to analog 62. But I don't get anything anymore. It would be nice if they made WBLU a high power digital station.

Gruber22

08-24-07, 05:13 PM

I sure wish cwkyt could just switch back to 480i except for the times when the are actually broadcasting CW network stuff (or any other HD stuff). Like KET4 does already. Especially for Saturday/Sunday afternoons with HD football on 27.1.

BenCJedi

08-24-07, 09:35 PM

himesky

08-25-07, 04:54 PM

Any Richmond people know if you can get any HD channels on Time Warner Cable with a QAM tuner. IF so numbers and what are they???

Thanks

bbonds

08-27-07, 08:37 AM

WKYT looks worse now that they've split the bandwidth with CW. When you see macro blocking on Letterman...can't wait to see football/basketball games...

BenCJedi

08-27-07, 10:50 AM

WKYT looks worse now that they've split the bandwidth with CW. When you see macro blocking on Letterman...can't wait to see football/basketball games...

I think they should do what KET does by shifting bandwidth round between their subchannels. KET does this by knocking off subchannels 3, 5 and 6 so they can run HD on #4. I would think WKYT could do the same by shifting bandwidth between the subchannels, so if one is showing SD, then the other would get more for HD.

Interestingly I recorded Smallville this past week and the edited, null-packet-stripped stream for ~42 minutes was 1.59GB. In comparison when CWKYT was SD the same show would average 1.4GB per episode. For that little bit of bitrate increase, the resolution gain is certainly worth it. I think WKYT ought to get rid of that radar map subchannel and give that bandwidth back to CBS-HD.. would probably bring CBS-HD back to where it was when CWKYT was in SD.

FrozenAsset

08-28-07, 01:45 AM

Any Richmond people know if you can get any HD channels on Time Warner Cable with a QAM tuner. IF so numbers and what are they???

Thanks

Second/Main
Richmond, KY

I got an TiVo HD (has a QAM tuner) today, and hooked it up to regular analog cable. After the channel scan was done, I noticed no difference between it and analog to my HDTV monitor (no QAM tuner). So I'm not getting any HD channels using a QAM tuner.

I do have a tech coming Friday to install a couple of cable cards, and will ask him.

Roger_M

08-28-07, 03:59 PM

Second/Main
Richmond, KY

I got an TiVo HD (has a QAM tuner) today, and hooked it up to regular analog cable. After the channel scan was done, I noticed no difference between it and analog to my HDTV monitor (no QAM tuner). So I'm not getting any HD channels using a QAM tuner.

I do have a tech coming Friday to install a couple of cable cards, and will ask him.

Have you tried punching in 104.3 on your HD Tivo? That's HD Discovery. See if the tuner tries to pull it in. You may have a signal drag on the cable. I noticed that when I had my VCR on and it was in line with my TV the station would not come in.

blurredvision

08-30-07, 10:27 PM

Is this considered the all-encompassing HDTV thread for Lexington, or just OTA? I'm guessing it's everything, so I wanted to ask a question.

When did TWC in Richmond add ESPN2HD to the lineup? I was flipping through the channels last night, and ran across it. They typically send a message through the cable box, but I saw nothing of the sort. The Red Sox/Yankees game last night looked absolutely amazing.

Also, are there any rumors from TWC in Richmond of adding additional HD channels in the near future , either a channel that's been out for a while, or something upcoming like CNN-HD?

Thanks guys.

BenCJedi

08-30-07, 11:22 PM

For some reason at the 2/3rds part of the show tonight, CWKYT went out of HD and into SD with those annoying CWKYT logo bars on the side. You mean to tell me swapping in and out of HD-WS is still a manual operation? Worse yet, this is the second showing of the SAME episode that was ruined very horribly with thunderstorm warnings back on April 26th. I'm never going to get a good capture of 'Nemesis' from CWKYT. They are intentionally picking on this particular episode, but why?

http://lh5.google.com/bencjedi/RteIgweyN6I/AAAAAAAAAyE/HIKyTMMaduI/s400/CWKYT-Smallville.SD-weather.jpg

http://lh3.google.com/bencjedi/RteIgQeyN5I/AAAAAAAAAx8/CYMai29vKTA/s400/CWKYT-Smallville.SD-bars.jpg

HDTV4usinky

08-31-07, 09:23 AM

TWC added WDKY in HD on channel 712 (on the TWC DVR, not sure of the QAM channel) just noticed it this morning. TWC does not have a fiber feed from WDKY, I wonder how well the channel will hold up during thunder storms....

WDKY should start broadcasting HD news in a couple months, the rumor is that they are testing some equipment to send the HD signal from WKYT to Columbus now.

It looks like this "HD thing" is really going to come together! Anyone else like me out there that can't stand to watch anything in SD anymore? It sucks I have to pay for like 200 channels to watch the dozen or so that are available in HD on TWC.

BenCJedi

08-31-07, 12:00 PM

Yeah, it is hard for me to watch SD shows too. My E* equipment is old and not capable of HD, so my legit HD is solely off the air. If I want to see a movie in HD, I have to obtain it by other means. Usually those movies I get in SD on my Starz package anyway, but the funny thing is I won't watch them on Starz (which I pay for) cause I can't receive it with my equipment directly. I'm waiting for the Dish VIP-622 receiver to allow connectivity by broadband to avoid the $5/month landline phone charge (since I don't have a landline, nor do I have any desire to get one).

FrozenAsset

09-01-07, 01:59 AM

Thanks to ya'll, I've found many QAM unencrypted channels with my TiVo HD.

83-1 KET HD
86-3 Bloomberg?
87-13 ShopNBC.COM
88-1 CBS WKYT
92-1 ESPN-HD
101-5 Jetix (Spanish)
101-6 History Channel (Spanish)
103-1, 103-2, 103-3, 103-4, 103-5, 103-6 ESPN Radio
104-1 Discovery HD
105-1 Cable Advertising PPV
105-9 Fox HD
106-5 Jetix
108-5 through 108-49 Digital Music Channels
109-00 TNT HD
114-1 ESPN2-HD

jb_ky1

09-06-07, 07:04 PM

Some info on WBLU ever being digital. I finally got e-mailed back today:

Thank you for your inquiry regarding RTN programming and WBLU. At this time, the plan to go digital with this station is at least two years away. However, we are currently trying to find ways to improve the analog WBLU-LP signal, so please keep checking.

bbonds

09-07-07, 11:32 AM

bradman

09-09-07, 01:33 PM

It appears as if WKYT is passing 5.1 sound now.
It is definitely coming up as such on my receiver and the sound is coming from the appropriate channels.

BenCJedi

09-10-07, 10:11 AM

I think it's funny how they tell you to stay away from downed power lines during storms....shouldn't that be a daily goal?

Yeah, that is very funny..

Like people get the inkling to run out and go messing with power lines, but only when it is storming.. As a general rule of common sense stay away from any power line.. leave it up to the pros with safety equipment!

jb_ky1

09-13-07, 11:51 AM

Nitewatchman

09-13-07, 12:41 PM

jb_ky1,

Magnavox ZC352MW8 has a ATSC receiver in it according to all the info I can find. See here :

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=829673&highlight=ZC352MW8

You might also want to check out the "summary of ATSC recorders" thread here :

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=791417&highlight=ZC352MW8

----------------

For OTA only HD "recording"/playback the only option I'm aware of currently is with a HTPC and ATSC tuner for PC - available as PCI cards or USB "stick" tuners.

plughplover

09-15-07, 08:09 AM

REQUEST:

Over in the Cincinnati thread we have noted a change in the OTA DTV signal of our local KET outlet, WCVN-DT. We are wondering if the change is unique to that transmitter.

We are particularly interested in the 8PM-midnight time period, when KET4 is in HD mode.

Could someone do a 30 sec. capture of your local KET outlet, run it through TSreader Lite, Export to html (everything except thumbnails) and post a zip of the report here?

Many thanks!

BenCJedi

09-16-07, 02:12 PM

BenCJedi

09-16-07, 03:07 PM

I'm looking for a simple ATSC tuner with component or DVI output for my older HD-ready TV (and to share with the neighbors that collect across the street on game days to watch the football games on my neighbor's projection set in his garage). Ability to record to DVD is a plus. Output must display as HD 720P or 1080i. I have a home theater PC, but it isn't always convenient to click-on and start watching things (not too wife-friendly). Would be annoying to also setup across the street on my neighbor's set. It's like a block party on game day.

I tried to explain yesterday that my neighbor shouldn't stand to watch the game in standard def from DirecTV when his TV is HD-ready and just needs a digital tuner to realize the better picture.

Does anyone know off-hand a DVD recorder with ATSC tuner that doesn't interfere with the resolution for display (I don't care if down-rez'd to 720X480 on the DVD-recordable). With our older TVs we only have DVI and component inputs.. none of that HDMI w/ HDCP encryption BS. On preliminary research it looks like the units mentioned will only show us 480P on our older displays. Or does it only down-rez when some signal for from the broadcaster tells them we're not using HDMI? I see HDMI to DVI converters, but I worry we'd never see HD with that. Anyone can shed some light on this?

EDIT: Found my answer at Wikipedia

Comparison of 2007 ATSC DVD recorders in U.S.A.

DVD Recorders produced in 2007 are required to have a built in ATSC digital tuner, and so far all currently available DVD recorders do not pass the native HD signal; instead, the signal is down scaled and sometimes then upscaled. Therefore you will get better video quality from a dedicated ATSC tuner such as the Samsung DTB-H260F if you have an HDTV.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_recorder#Comparison_of_2007_ATSC_DVD_recorders

So I think my best bet is a Samsung DTB-H260F standalone HD tuner. Just can't confirm yet whether the component is down-rez'd or if using an HDMI-to-DVI converter will also degrade the resolution.

Roger_M

09-16-07, 11:05 PM

looking for a simple ATSC tuner with component Ben, try looking at Circuit City for a 'Set Top Box'. Costs is about $150. But keep in mind that the TV has to have a component input, not just a coax input. I've got a Set top box and noticed that it doesnt have the standard coax cable output jack.
Also have a Polaroid DVR with built in ATSC tuner but doesn't pass the HD picture through. Just the 480i output. But still happy with the picture. :)

jimp2244

09-17-07, 07:12 AM

So I think my best bet is a Samsung DTB-H260F standalone HD tuner. Just can't confirm yet whether the component is down-rez'd or if using an HDMI-to-DVI converter will also degrade the resolution.

I believe I have that exact STB tuner. I'd have to check the model number at home to be sure, but I'm 95% sure that's the one I have. It will output HDMI, Component, S-Video, or Composite. S-video and composite are 480i only. HDMI and Component will output 720p or 1080i depending on the position of a switch on the back of the unit (you can select either).

I would suggest using that STB for your TV and for the neighbor's projector (assuming they have component or HDMI input), and then use your PC with ATSC tuner card as DVR and DVD burner.

HDTV4usinky

09-17-07, 04:55 PM

I want to be able to record over the air (Digital) HD programming. The programming doesn't have to be HD, so I looked at Wal-Mart and they have this product.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5622736

It says it has a Digital Tuner, but next to this product there is a notice that says this product will not receive channels in 2009.

Anyone have any recommendations?

It looks like it should work (ATSC tuner). The review I read at the wal-mart site doesn't praise it, but I don't see why an ATSC receiver wouldn't work. You might want to check other threads, this one doesn't focus on recording HDTV very much. I wouldn't expect much expert advice from wal-mart, unless you find an employee that has taken an interest in HDTV.

Roger_M

09-20-07, 09:30 AM

I want to be able to record over the air (Digital) HD programming. The programming doesn't have to be HD, so I looked at Wal-Mart and they have this product.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=5622736

It says it has a Digital Tuner, but next to this product there is a notice that says this product will not receive channels in 2009.

Anyone have any recommendations?

You might want to try Ebay for a good buy on the Polaroid DRA-01601. http://listings.*********/aw/plistings/category61239/index.html?from=R11
If that link dont work, try a search under 'Consumer Electronics'. I purchased one for about $145. Unit lists for about $238 now at Walmart. The LED on handwand needs to be replace with a more powerful one from Radio SHack ($2). And dont use the HDMI output! It's bad from factory. I use the S-Video and picture is good for 480i format.

listings.*********/aw/plistings/category61239/index.html?from=R11

BenCJedi

09-24-07, 11:37 PM

blowe

10-01-07, 01:17 PM

Not getting any signal passed through to 27.2 CW channel from Insight. I think I've read that you all are getting it OTA. Does anyone know if Insight is planning on unscrambling this channel thorugh QAM?

bbonds

10-03-07, 10:40 AM

Has anyone heard why WKYT still refuses to show WOF and Jeopardy in HD, now that they have the equipment to do so?

jb_ky1

10-03-07, 04:48 PM

Has anyone heard why WKYT still refuses to show WOF and Jeopardy in HD, now that they have the equipment to do so?

I was told a few weeks ago, that they still don't have the equipment.

Perch33

10-03-07, 07:57 PM

Has anybody else been experiencing a grainy picture on the HD package with Insight? Just does not seem to be as clear or crisp as I thought it would be. Using a Sharp 46" 62U with the Insight HD DVR via HDMI.

HDTVChallenged

10-04-07, 01:38 AM

Has anyone heard why WKYT still refuses to show WOF and Jeopardy in HD, now that they have the equipment to do so?

Well ... as long as they're mucking everything up with dual 720p feeds, the *least* they could do is to actually broadcast the CW-HD feed instead of upconverting the SD feeds. I mean, forgetting to "flip the switch" is *sooo* 2003ish. :D

hdinlexky2

10-06-07, 06:13 PM

WTVQ HD was very jerky this afternoon. (watching Texas Oklahoma game) I called the TV station. seems like they made an improvement in the last couple minutes.

HD wise they seem a little slow compared to other stations in Lexington. HD quality is normally poor for live football games for a blurring issue that happens almost every minute, their standards for acceptable seems very poor. Why the heck don't they do anything about this, they had this problem ever since I got my HDTV 2 1/2 years ago!

Surely their HD encoder can be set so that this doesn't happen. Right? None of my HD nationals (close to 40 now on DirecTV!) and other Lexington locals have this blurring problem. WKYT used to have the issue for live sports, but I think they have fixed it (not sure since I don't watch them too much -- But the US open tennis didn't seem to have it this past September.)

Why don't they fix this, anybody know who to complain to? I sent email on the subject a couple years back to the stations and never got a response.

Comments?

crazycooter78

10-06-07, 07:58 PM

LMUBill

10-06-07, 08:25 PM

I don't know if I am posting this question in the right place. So, any mods can feel free to move it. Anyway, here goes.

I live in the Lexington market. I'm down in Clay Co. in southeastern KY. As you might imagine I can't get local HD OTA because of the distance and the mountains in the area. My friend told me that DirecTV would pipe in the NY/LA HD feeds from the major networks (sort of like they do with regular feeds for customers who couldn't get cable or OTA signal) since it wasn't possible for me to get it OTA.

So, I called DTV and asked about it. I got a robotic girl who wasn't really interested in answering or even understanding my question. I'll spare you the details but I didn't get any kind of answer. So, does anyone on here know if its possible for me to get the NY/LA feeds? I don't wanna go through calling them back if its not even possible.

Thanks for any help.

Have you tried WYMT? According to a map they gave me you should be able to pick it up easily. I can get it here in Tennessee (just outside of Middlesboro) and it looks like they go as far west as London before the signal gets too bad. They are on a VHF frequency (Channel 12) so I know a lot of people don't realize it is there since they have UHF-ony antennas.

As for the rest, call back and try to get a different person if you can. There is a link that you can go to and type in your zip code and see if you can get a waiver, but I don't know what it is. :(

crazycooter78

10-06-07, 08:37 PM

Have you tried WYMT? According to a map they gave me you should be able to pick it up easily. I can get it here in Tennessee (just outside of Middlesboro) and it looks like they go as far west as London before the signal gets too bad. They are on a VHF frequency (Channel 12) so I know a lot of people don't realize it is there since they have UHF-ony antennas.

As for the rest, call back and try to get a different person if you can. There is a link that you can go to and type in your zip code and see if you can get a waiver, but I don't know what it is. :(

Thanks Bill. I hadn't thought about WYMT. I'm thinking it would be iffy for me though because of the hills around the house. I understood my friend to say he had gotten a waiver because I know he tried getting some stations OTA but had little luck. The person at DTV made me think maybe I had misunderstood him. If anyone has that link that Bill mentioned it would be a huge help.

kycubsfan

10-06-07, 10:50 PM

Thanks Bill. I hadn't thought about WYMT. I'm thinking it would be iffy for me though because of the hills around the house. I understood my friend to say he had gotten a waiver because I know he tried getting some stations OTA but had little luck. The person at DTV made me think maybe I had misunderstood him. If anyone has that link that Bill mentioned it would be a huge help.

http://directvdnseligibility.decisionmark.com/app/addressform.aspx

That's it. Manchester addresses will come up as ineligible for SD service, but are accepted for HiDef service via New York.

DirecTV phone reps are TERRIBLE, like Soriano, Ramirez, Lily, etc.

crazycooter78

10-06-07, 11:13 PM

http://directvdnseligibility.decisionmark.com/app/addressform.aspx

That's it. Manchester addresses will come up as ineligible for SD service, but are accepted for HiDef service via New York.

DirecTV phone reps are TERRIBLE, like Soriano, Ramirez, Lily, etc.

Thanks man. Being as how I am also a massive Cubs fan and we are both from Manchester, I'm pretty sure I know who you are.

If you are who I think you are, I was going to call you about this tonight, but I figured you would be in a rather foul mood from the game. DeRosa found a way to be decent and yet suck at the same time.

Thanks for the info!

steverichmond

10-09-07, 08:09 PM

Direct Tv's recent HD push has got me thinking about switching to their service. I know what Dish network has (current subscriber) and I hear they have limited capacity to add much more HD content until they launch another bird sometime next year This brings me TWC. Has anyone heard anything about TWC's future HD Plans? Thanks

Steve

HDTV4usinky

10-13-07, 11:19 AM

Sencore sent me a demo unit of their DTU-234. I took it home with me this weekend to play with. The first screenshot is from WDKY in Lexington off their rooftop antenna, the rest are from my home in Versailles. This is a $2300 rf analyzer that works with a laptop with usb 2.0 (usb powered) In my opinion, this is what a professional installer would have in their tool kit

From my home, I have both channel 3 and 5 as strong adjacent channels, and I believe they are providing most of my reception difficulties. You will notice that I repeaked the antenna as the screenshots progress. More to come!

HDTV4usinky

10-13-07, 11:24 AM

sorry, i can only post 5 at a time

HDTV4usinky

10-13-07, 11:29 AM

I will try to peak for best signal quality, and this might mean I need to point away from the interference even if it reduces the signal on channel 4. I will also try a few filters to see if anything "opens the eyes" Hopefully this signal can be improved. BTW TWC in Versailles is doing a great job with carrage of WDKY-HD. I haven't seen a single flaw.

HDTV4usinky

10-13-07, 03:26 PM

This is as good as I can get it, and it looks pretty clean. I have a football game to watch, go UK! more later

CyberWhip

10-13-07, 03:38 PM

Trying to watch UK-LSU game in HD OTA and had to switch to SD channel. Signal was bouncing about every 10 seconds from about 98% down to 60% for about 2 seconds. Anyone else having this problem? I have verified with a second tuner that it is not the tuner.

CyberWhip

10-13-07, 03:52 PM

looks like WKYT signal is stable now, about 3:50pm.

Did anyone else have this problem? Let me know so I will know if I need to look at my antenna.

Nitewatchman

10-13-07, 04:00 PM

From my home, I have both channel 3 and 5 as strong adjacent channels, and I believe they are providing most of my reception difficulties.

If you haven't seen it before, You might be interested in some of the info in this article :

http://tv-technology.com/pages/s.0001/t.1211.html

BTW, also keep in mind, there is 4MHZ between channel 4(66~72MHZ) and Channel 5 (76~82MHZ), so 4/5 aren't really "first adjacent" channels, as is the case with say, ch 3/4 .....

HDTVChallenged

10-17-07, 01:18 AM

This brings me TWC. Has anyone heard anything about TWC's future HD Plans?

Humm ... well I noticed that the local TWC (Danville/H-burg/etc) squeaked out two more HD channels in the past week or so: TBS-HD and ESPN2.

I'm sure TWC has future plans, but I doubt that anyone will be able to match D*'s offerings in the near future.

bbonds

10-17-07, 04:39 PM

is it just me or does anyone else notice the incredibly poor quality of Fox's HD broadcast of the MLB playoffs? Maybe Fox HD is always bad, but the baseball games look very grainy. I'm in Lexington, on Insight...all other channels are brilliant. It's not my TV, or the Moto 6416 box. TIA.

chuckgr

10-17-07, 06:27 PM

civguy

10-19-07, 10:56 AM

I get 56 OTA, and I was really impressed with the quality of the MLB playoffs picture quality.

steverichmond

10-19-07, 01:26 PM

I get 56 OTA, and I was really impressed with the quality of the MLB playoffs picture quality.

Same hear and I was as well.

kycubsfan

10-20-07, 08:29 PM

I'm watching it OTA as well, and it looks awesome. VHF-Lo FTW!

bradman

10-21-07, 05:17 PM

himesky

10-23-07, 04:04 PM

Looks like TWC has added TBS HD here in Richmond.

adsingl

10-26-07, 11:58 PM

I've read a bunch. Live in Lexington, KY. Have basic cable today, HDTV arrives Tuesday. I'd like to try OTA channels first. Before cable (basic only), I had ghosting (in house TV level antenna/small amp) on at least one analog channel. I'm essentially in the center of Lexington. Antenna web shows 3 channels at 90-93 degrees (west) between 8.6 and 9.1 miles; 2 channels at 133-134 degrees, about 16 miles away. So two groupings about 40 degrees apart.
I do have some pin oak trees (without getting compass out) that are 35' high about 50 feet from house - probably 100 degrees that may affect the first grouping at 90-93 degrees-hard to tell for sure.

I'd like to stay in the attic since the distances are close. Does anyone close to center of town have luck using one antenna for DTV channels in the attic? Aimed about in the middle (about 123 degrees for me)? Or is it likely I need a rotator or two antennas OR (trying to avoid) roof-mount? If so, what antenna model setup do you use?
Thanks!
ADS

Roger_M

10-27-07, 10:08 AM

I'd like to stay in the attic since the distances are close. Does anyone close to center of town have luck using one antenna for DTV channels in the attic? Aimed about in the middle (about 123 degrees for me)? Or is it likely I need a rotator or two antennas OR (trying to avoid) roof-mount? If so, what antenna model setup do you use?
Thanks!
ADS

Try the ole Rabbit Ears antenna first. Doesn't even have to be powered. I live in WInchester and tried the rabbit ears to see what it would pick up and found I could get all the Lexington stations. If you go for a roof or attic antenna, go for something small. There is no such thing as a 'Digital' antenna so dont beleive the hype.

Roger

rsmc

11-02-07, 10:06 PM

I have a stb for hd I get wlex wtvq among a few others locally and can get Louisville hd channels as well but i cant get wkyt. I thought it was my antenna so i went to radioshack and shelled out a 100 bucks for a new one and now as i said above i can get everything but wkyt. It cant be that hard to receive.This is the antenna i got 160" Long Dual Boom, 57-Element Antenna
Model: VU-190 XR not sure what else to do. My Set top box has no problem with 18 or 36 so i woldnt think it was my stb.

jb_ky1

11-03-07, 05:37 PM

I've been having trouble getting WKYT-DT around 4pm-ish today. Anyone having that problem too?

rsmc

11-03-07, 09:07 PM

spikor

11-04-07, 10:00 AM

No WKYT???? Do not be a Dummy like me I could not get the VHF Channels either when I tested my Channel Master 3671 sometime ago( Do not know how much similar or IF they are similar in any way have not seen an Image of them both comparing them) I put it together tightened everything down hooked up the wire etc. could get UHF but no VHF. Then I took a closer look I noticed 2 elements on the VHF end that was rivited in with a hole drilled into the end that could be moved around from facing the back(VHF End) to facing the UHF(Forward) and this slid over a Bolt on each side attach a wing nut and wallah I was getting both VHF and UHF now. I take that the Antenna came in two pieces and that it slid together when assembled? or maybe it came in one piece? IF it came in two pieces like mine these two element that are rivited in has to swing around from facing backwards to forward position and fastened down attaching the wing nut to combine both VHF and UHF together. maybe this will help you. IF you are confused maybe Nightwatchman can shine some light on this issue maybe he can word it better than me and get the point across better. he can solve issues better than me. He has more hands on experience.

Roger_M

11-04-07, 01:42 PM

At least you can get 27 i havent even picked it up ive tried every thing i can think of. I am also in Scott County been tring for 2 days i can get all Louisville channels though. But as far as locals go ican only get 6 KET channels 1 wlex 2 wtvq and about 5 others but no wkyt.

RSMC, I've got a STB also and it has the ability to show you the signal strength of any detectable signal out there. WKYT is broadcasting on channel 13 and I get it quite easily here in Winchester even with out a preamp. What kind of signal stength do you get on 13?

Roger_M

11-04-07, 01:57 PM

No WKYT???? Do not be a Dummy like me I could not get the VHF Channels either when I tested my Channel Master 3671 sometime ago( Do not know how much similar or IF they are similar in any way have not seen an Image of them both comparing them) I put it together tightened everything down hooked up the wire etc. could get UHF but no VHF. Then I took a closer look I noticed 2 elements on the VHF end that was rivited in with a hole drilled into the end that could be moved around from facing the back(VHF End) to facing the UHF(Forward) and this slid over a Bolt on each side attach a wing nut and wallah I was getting both VHF and UHF now..

Heh, Ive got the same type of antenna as yours and was in the same boat. For a year I had it up and did not get very good reception so I took a good look at it and found that the cable was hooked up to the wing nuts but the wingnuts were not hooked up to anything! I had not followed the directions and attached the connecting bar between the two antenna elements and the wingnuts. I was receiving signals only via the pre amp and two feet of TV cable hanging toward Lexington. Just goes to show you that you dont need much of an antenna to receive local digital stations.

rsmc

11-04-07, 06:31 PM

steverichmond

11-04-07, 06:39 PM

I've been having trouble getting WKYT-DT around 4pm-ish today. Anyone having that problem too?

I had problems with WKYT-DT this afternoon. (weak signal) Seems fine now. I have not been able to pick Fox 56.1 at all yesterday or today. )Zero signal strenght) Is their tower down? Is mother nature having fun with us?

Steve

Juppers

11-04-07, 07:38 PM

WHAS and WAVE out of Louisville are 11 and 3 VHF analog stations. But they are 55 and 47 UHF digital stations. Can you get the analog or the digital feed for those?

rsmc

11-04-07, 07:55 PM

They are both digital WAVE also has two sd channels as well.

Roger_M

11-04-07, 08:37 PM

I had problems with WKYT-DT this afternoon. (weak signal) Seems fine now. I have not been able to pick Fox 56.1 at all yesterday or today. )Zero signal strenght) Is their tower down? Is mother nature having fun with us?

Steve

FOX 56 was good today as I was watching Green Bay stomp Kansas City. Was trying to watch Cincinnati Bengals on 27 WKYT but their 720P picture was being broadcast using SD feed. Lousy picture! :(

Roger_M

11-04-07, 08:52 PM

This is my antenna 160" Long Dual Boom, 57-Element Antenna Model: VU-190 XR i got it at radio shack .It has two wings i had to slide out a lock in place to make a bow tie and slide over the lead in terminals. I followed the instructions i have even went back over everything numerous times. I cant get any signal on 13 but i can get WHAS and WAVE out of Louisville and they are VHF. So im not sure what else to do. Thanks for your suggestions guys all and any help is appreciated.

That antenna is similar to the CM series and you should pick up both UHF and VHF. You mentioned that you were getting Loiusville stations but if you can not turn the antenna around toward Lexington, you may have trouble picking up a few of the local stations as the antenna is at a right degree to the LEX signals.

Can you pick up any of the lower stations (2-13)? FOX is on 4 and WLJC on 7 is strong out of Beattyville.

rsmc

11-04-07, 09:02 PM

jbrown4200

11-04-07, 09:46 PM

cpcat

11-05-07, 08:01 AM

When i turn the antenna towards Lexington i can only get WLEX WTVQ KET and about 5 others i think they say QUBO ION and WORSHIP but not WDKY or WKYT i would just like to watch football and basketball in hd so WDKY dosent bother me not to much.

Where are you?

Are you using a preamp or any sort of splitter/diplexer down line from the antenna?

Can you get analog WAVE and WHAS? This will be a clue to how well you are doing on low vhf (WAVE and WDKY) as well as hi vhf (WHAS and WKYT).

rsmc

11-05-07, 12:18 PM

I am in Scott County about 25 miles from wkyt. But i figured out my problem it was my set top box it would only pick up uhf channels i went this morning and picked up a samsung STB and it picked up 27 on first scan. And now i can watch Local sports in HD. Thank you guys for all your help. I went for 3 days though 2 antennas and 2 STBs but now im up and going.

HDTV4usinky

11-12-07, 09:01 AM

Found a new website while visiting fcc.gov with DTV info

http://www.dtv.gov/

chuckgr

11-13-07, 07:18 AM

In Versailles here...and having the opposite problem.

I was getting 18,27,36 at 98% up till about two weeks ago when 18 and 36 disappeared. KYT is still at full strength. AntennaWeb still list all three at the same compass heading from my home.

I was wondering if LEX and TVQ have moved thier antennas?

I'm in Versailles also and I can get all the locals and L'ville stations... the antenna have not moved you may want to check your equipment... best of luck

DTVFanatic

11-16-07, 11:41 AM

WKYT looks worse now that they've split the bandwidth with CW. When you see macro blocking on Letterman...can't wait to see football/basketball games...

So I've been following this thread on and off for a while now because WKYT is pushing the envelope with dual HD channels in one bitstream. I don't see anyone posting about the quality of CBS HD NFL football. Anyone notice a difference or is this a "no news is good news" kind of thing?

HDTVChallenged

11-17-07, 02:16 AM

I don't see anyone posting about the quality of CBS HD NFL football. Anyone notice a difference or is this a "no news is good news" kind of thing?

I haven't been watching much FB this year, but given the "hit" in PQ on the evening newscast alone, I can't image there being any "good news" to report here. The audio is a bit FUBAR'd too: bass overcranked ... snaps/pops ... etc

OTOH, paradoxically the extra filtering and cross-conversion seems to provide a more tolerable PQ on CW (compared to other CW sources.)

jrsmith4

11-18-07, 10:38 AM

steverichmond

11-18-07, 04:36 PM

I haven't been watching much FB this year, but given the "hit" in PQ on the evening newscast alone, I can't image there being any "good news" to report here. The audio is a bit FUBAR'd too: bass overcranked ... snaps/pops ... etc

OTOH, paradoxically the extra filtering and cross-conversion seems to provide a more tolerable PQ on CW (compared to other CW sources.)

I tried watching the Steelers and Jets on 27.1 this afternoon. I have to say it was very disappointing. Looked like 16 by 9 SD to me. The CBS HD feed on D* Sunday ticket was much better.

Edit: Just switched back in the second half and WKYT is looking much better! Someone forget to flip a switch?

DTVFanatic

11-19-07, 02:36 PM

I tried watching the Steelers and Jets on 27.1 this afternoon. I have to say it was very disappointing. Looked like 16 by 9 SD to me. The CBS HD feed on D* Sunday ticket was much better.

Edit: Just switched back in the second half and WKYT is looking much better! Someone forget to flip a switch?

So when they finally flipped the switch how was the picture? Did you see any blocking or other artifacts?

steverichmond

11-19-07, 08:55 PM

So when they finally flipped the switch how was the picture? Did you see any blocking or other artifacts?

When I flipped back, it was decent for HD. Not the best I've ever seen be ok. I didn't notice any artifacts or blocking. I suspect the issue was with their CBS feed, most of local HD stuff is pretty good.

HDTVChallenged

11-20-07, 01:38 AM

My opinion ... mediocre at best. :) If BD/HD is a solid "A" and full bandwidth 1080i OTA is a solid "B" to "B+", then CBS and Local news via WKYT is a solid "D" to "D-". I'd give CWKYT a "C" to "C-."

HDTVChallenged

11-20-07, 01:47 AM

I am new to the forum and was wondering if anyone is able to pick up WDKY-DT in Lexington with an indoor antenna? If so, what is the make/model the antenna? I am able to pick up all of the networks except FOX using a simple pair of rabbit ears...I really don't want to install an antenna in the attic or on the roof just to pick up FOX. Thanks in advance for the help/advice!

There's a lot of discussion on this in the past. The gist is that there are too many variables to predict what will work in any specific location. Rabbit ears might work if they are fully extended and horizontal (parallel to the floor.) In other cases nothing short of an outdoor single channel (Ch4) yagi will work. In *my* case, an outdoor combo (Ratshack) VHF/UHF antenna works best most of the time, although my attic mounted antenna worked better for much of the summer.

In short, experimentation (or cable) is required ... good luck.

cpcat

11-20-07, 06:58 AM

So when they finally flipped the switch how was the picture? Did you see any blocking or other artifacts?

KYT downconverts to 720p so on a large screen it won't look as sharp especially with 1080 screen rez.

himesky

11-27-07, 01:25 PM

Anyone know why they are letting some of their HD channels be picked up with a QAM tuner? Just wondering if it was going to last.

bbonds

11-27-07, 04:21 PM

anyone else noticed that Insight added NFLHD to their lineup? I noticed this Thanksgiving day while I was checking which teams (NFL) played who....

CBS HD still sucks....terrible pixelation during the UK/UT game.

HDTV4usinky

11-28-07, 08:25 AM

WDKY is having issues with the Fox splicer, hopefully it will be resolved today

HDTVChallenged

11-28-07, 12:41 PM

WDKY is having issues with the Fox splicer, hopefully it will be resolved today

Yeah ... thankfully I double checked last night before Bones and House, just in time to adjust my TiVo recording scheme. WDRB-DT to the rescue! 73mi, no glitches, hiccups or gremlins ... Full power UHF DT, priceless. :)

BenCJedi

12-02-07, 01:10 AM

Yeah ... thankfully I double checked last night before Bones and House, just in time to adjust my TiVo recording scheme. WDRB-DT to the rescue! 73mi, no glitches, hiccups or gremlins ... Full power UHF DT, priceless. :)

I just got around to checking my recording of House MD on my MCE PC and it recorded perfect from WDKY-DT. I guess the splicer issue was fixed prior to the recording, which is good because I didn't even know it was 'down'. :)

I am new to the forum and was wondering if anyone is able to pick up WDKY-DT in Lexington with an indoor antenna? If so, what is the make/model the antenna? I am able to pick up all of the networks except FOX using a simple pair of rabbit ears...I really don't want to install an antenna in the attic or on the roof just to pick up FOX. Thanks in advance for the help/advice!

When I lived in Lexington, I had a very difficult time picking up WDKY-DT inside a town home apartment close to the Fayette Mall. The trick for me was to use the entire attic and a home-brew wire loop antenna setup with specific lengths of metal bars stretched all across the attic to act as reflectors. I also had an 18" cymbal mounted on the wall with a nail that helped as a director. I am still perplexed how the contraption concentrated the signal the way it did, but it did, and did it well once I spent a couple months tweaking and messing around with all the metal rods. Think of a human ribcage without a backbone and you can sort of picture what the attic looked like. Since moving to Winchester I went more classy with an antenna setup in my house attic. On a good night I can pull in WBKI-DT, but I've been sticking with CWKYT for my CW programming. They've really been able to pull-through for Smallville in HD. Of course I hadn't seen it look as good before, not even from WBKI on the rare opportunity I got to watch enough without breakups.