I'm in Oxford, almost into MD, using a CM4228 - (I pointed my antenna to maximize my reception of WHYY, rest come in fine). I still lose WHYY in bad weather.

Interesting thing, I added a pre-amp, and completely lost WHYY, so took it out.


Thanks for the tip. I tuned to WHYY (55) then went up to the attic and adjusted the antenna to try and maxamize the signal strenth, (had my brother call out the numbers as I adjusted the antenna), but still I only get an 8% - 9% signal.
I also tried channel 12.1 just in case it was re-maped and it read 48% no mater where the antenna it pointed.

A couple other members had success with a pre-amp. I just hate to spend the $60 for a CM7777 to receive one more channel when all the other channels come in with an 85% signal. It's good to know that it may help.

Thanks for everyones help.

The one channel I can not get is WHYY (55) channel 12 It is in the same direction as all the others. Has anyone else in the Northern Chester County been able to pick up Whyy?


I'm in Philly (downtown) and WHYY is the OTA that I can't get. I've got a medium-range, highly directional outdoor antenna. I can see on my signal meter that I'm getting a little from WHYY, but not enough to ever lock on.

I'm going to try either a preamp, or getting the antenna up higher (it's about two stories AGL now).

Comcast Motorola STB skip forward!

I discovered that my new Motorola STB has a skip forward remote code, even though the remote control doesn't have a button for it. When I added the device to my harmony remote setup, it gave me a skip forward button on the harmony remote.

I'm in Philly (downtown) and WHYY is the OTA that I can't get. I've got a medium-range, highly directional outdoor antenna. I can see on my signal meter that I'm getting a little from WHYY, but not enough to ever lock on.

I'm going to try either a preamp, or getting the antenna up higher (it's about two stories AGL now).

Your problem may not be actual signal strength. With Digital transmissions, multi-path can cause your receiver to be out of sync (delayed signals). When that happens the receiver will not lock. Its some cases, both antenna tuning and/or signal attenuation can help reduce the mulit-path.

I watched the eagles from my comcast dvr and it looked terrible. Hbo and max recorded movies look great. I am viewing on a 110" screen and can really tell when the signal is not optimal.

I consistently find Fox NFL coverage to be the worst of the HD NFL. I'm not sure I remember how bad the Fox 480p stuff looked, particularly compared to CBS when doing real time comparisons on any given Sunday, but I can't believe the comparison was that much worse than it is now. It is sometimes so soft, I wouldn't have a real hard time believing it is stretched 480i.

bob-05, the Iggles game looked great on my 50PHD7UY.

I just watched CSI recorded on my 6412 from last week, and it was HORRIBLE! Total audio drop out every 30 seconds, with major pixelation lasting 3-5 seconds.

Anyone else have this, know if the problem is Comcast, KYW, or national feed?

Someone else said that HD shows recorded during the past week have been like this for them... hmmm.

Apparently this was a problem OTA also. Must have been either a KYW issue. I watched it live and it was the same as your recording.

I consistently find Fox NFL coverage to be the worst of the HD NFL. I'm not sure I remember how bad the Fox 480p stuff looked, particularly compared to CBS when doing real time comparisons on any given Sunday, but I can't believe the comparison was that much worse than it is now. It is sometimes so soft, I wouldn't have a real hard time believing it is stretched 480i.

I quite agree. I'd also like to see Fox move their graphics to the bottom of the screen, similar to CBS and ABC. Its so annoying when watching in HD or widescreen with it near to top of the screen.

With the NHL season 1 week away, I cannot determine if/where the Flyers home opener will be in HD.
Apparently it will not be on CSN, and the INHD schedule does not show it: http://www.inhd.com/networkSchedule/networkSchedules.jsp?time=14&date=2005-10-5

It will be a real shame if this game is not available in HD in the Philly area.

Any rumors if it'll be available in HD??

A couple pages back you can find Jwhip confirming it will be in hd. Last I remember it was still undecided on which station it would be on, inHD or comcast.

I saw that comment from Jwhip, but the INHD schedule doesn't show the game...and it was also stated that it will definitely NOT be on CSN. My concern is it's not shown in HD at all.
(Unless they convert the OLN channel to OLN-HD during the game....is that possible??)

I saw that comment from Jwhip, but the INHD schedule doesn't show the game...and it was also stated that it will definitely NOT be on CSN. My concern is it's not shown in HD at all.
(Unless they convert the OLN channel to OLN-HD during the game....is that possible??)

The INHD schedule is terrible. Mets and Yankee games appear out of nowhere. Is this Comcast or INHD?

I also recorded the Eagles game and I thought it looked great - much better then FOX.

Jwhip,
I got a response from NBC10 re: HD PQ

I don't know if it will go anywhere but at least I have a dialogue with them.
For my own knowledge, I would appreciate it if you could explain to me how the multicasting is to blame, and how it is NOT COMCAST's fault.

Thanks

This was there response to my e mail complaint:


Howard,

I talked to our operations manager, he said the problem sounds like it is most likely with Comcast, and he would be happy to get your complaint to the appropriate people there. He just needs some more detail about what exactly the problem is with the NBC10 signal.

Thanks
Sarah

It is really funny that they claim it is Comcast's fault when the same problems are seen with many who watch OTA and not on cable. I hear the same BS from WPVI. It is pure BS. The issue is very simple. 1080i requires full bandwidth to deliver a quality picture, especially with anything with fast motion. 19.3 mbs is barely adequate with MPEG2 encoding to do the job. Anything less is very noticable. By having the Weather Plus channel robbing bandwidth means that there is not enough information present in the signal to allow for the proper decoding which results in macroblocking and pixelation. I doubt that NBC10 even monitors their signal. Pure and simple, the problem is NOT with Comcast. It is a problem throughout the country where any network affiliate broadcasting in 1080i has a subchannel and is seen OTA and via cable. They will try to bob and weave and BS their way through it but it is their fault, no one else. All for a stinkin' weather channel!

Jwhip,

Thanks for the reply.

Sarah from NBC will be sorry that she ever responded to me. I will hound them. I really resent the fact that NBC and the other networks advertise HD and then deliver an inferior product.

did anyone else have only 2.0 for wpvi-dt tonight? I'm watchin commander in chief and there is no 5.1

It is really funny that they claim it is Comcast's fault when the same problems are seen with many who watch OTA and not on cable. I hear the same BS from WPVI. It is pure BS. The issue is very simple. 1080i requires full bandwidth to deliver a quality picture, especially with anything with fast motion. 19.3 mbs is barely adequate with MPEG2 encoding to do the job. Anything less is very noticable. By having the Weather Plus channel robbing bandwidth means that there is not enough information present in the signal to allow for the proper decoding which results in macroblocking and pixelation. I doubt that NBC10 even monitors their signal. Pure and simple, the problem is NOT with Comcast. It is a problem throughout the country where any network affiliate broadcasting in 1080i has a subchannel and is seen OTA and via cable. They will try to bob and weave and BS their way through it but it is their fault, no one else. All for a stinkin' weather channel!


Just to clarify, does Comcast pick up the local channel OTA? And then they don't compress the signal, although they may change the codec?


I liked the radar and NOAA radio for the subchannel. the radar was a pretty static image most of the time, so it shouldn't have taken up too much bandwidth.

Of course everybodies trying to fill up any space with scrolls, weather, news, talent and advertising. It's overload!

Comcast takes the feeds via fiber out of the master control room of each station. They do not compress the signal.

I just watched CSI recorded on my 6412 from last week, and it was HORRIBLE! Total audio drop out every 30 seconds, with major pixelation lasting 3-5 seconds.

Anyone else have this, know if the problem is Comcast, KYW, or national feed?

Someone else said that HD shows recorded during the past week have been like this for them... hmmm.

Same here. Arrested Development on FOX was fine, but Kitchen Confidential was barely watchable and Prison Break was completely unwatchable (Thank god AD was okay...).

Sucks :(

Definately Comcast since my issue was FOX and yours was CBS

20 mins into Law and Order and it has been SD the whole time... OTA...

Z

10:30PM...Part II of Law & Order. NBC F---in' 10 still hasn't hit the switch yet. They are such a mickey mouse operation that its laughable. I hope there are some NBC employees in this thread who would care to defend or justify this continued ridiculous incompetence...Its time that the NBC Mothership step in as the Philadelphia affiliate continues to butcher there fall lineup...millions of production dollars wasted as some incompetent hack sits on his fat ass and forgets to hit the F---in' switch AGAIN!!!

Its a real shame because the NBC Fall schedule looks pretty good...They're too busy worried about their friggin weather subchannel...

...Hey LOOK...10:35 and FINALLY HD WIDESCREEN! What a joke!!!

10:30PM...Part II of Law & Order. NBC F---in' 10 still hasn't hit the switch yet. They are such a mickey mouse operation that its laughable. I hope there are some NBC employees in this thread who would care to defend or justify this continued ridiculous incompetence...Its time that the NBC Mothership step in as the Philadelphia affiliate continues to butcher there fall lineup...millions of production dollars wasted as some incompetent hack sits on his fat ass and forgets to hit the F---in' switch AGAIN!!!

Its a real shame because the NBC Fall schedule looks pretty good...They're too busy worried about their friggin weather subchannel...

...Hey LOOK...10:35 and FINALLY HD WIDESCREEN! What a joke!!!

I Tivo'd Law & Order from the NBC affiliate in NY on DTV. I'll check tonight to see if it was just NBC-10 or the network feed.... however I feel it was the former. They really are clueless.

I just watched CSI recorded on my 6412 from last week, and it was HORRIBLE! Total audio drop out every 30 seconds, with major pixelation lasting 3-5 seconds.

Anyone else have this, know if the problem is Comcast, KYW, or national feed?

Someone else said that HD shows recorded during the past week have been like this for them... hmmm.

I just got around to watching this last night - same issues you had with CSI. I finally gave up because it was unwatchable. However, I DVR'd a few other shows during the last week and had no problems with any of the others.

my cable box did some sort of system update this morning between 7:50-8:00 that i've never seen before, anyone get this?

my cable box did some sort of system update this morning between 7:50-8:00 that i've never seen before, anyone get this?

My Moto 6412's seemed to get an update earlier this week, I think.

I have noticed that if the DVR is recording something, I no longer need to press the SWAP button to watch something else. Perhaps there is new software which finally makes the unit intelligent enough to know to switch to the alternate tuner when necessary.

Wish I had noted the older software version number...

I Tivo'd Law & Order from the NBC affiliate in NY on DTV. I'll check tonight to see if it was just NBC-10 or the network feed.... however I feel it was the former. They really are clueless.

I would be shocked if it was the network feed...I think heads would roll in NY if the NBC/Universal were to witness the local handling of their HD content...considering that this has been going on for such a long time, I'm starting to wonder if anyone at NBC's management level even watches their own network...or maybe they just don't have HDTV's in their homes...

One thing is clear after the continued complaints about not hitting 'the button' and the degradation of quality at the expense of subchannels....HDTV is still has a way to go and not on the radar as a priority for the major networks. The technology is there and waiting to be used to its potential...but weather subchannels, shopping networks, etc...still must be more profitable than focussing efforts on providing the best possible content and quality.

NBC and NBC10 in particular do not give a rat's you know what about picture quality. I think that is very clear by now.

I would be shocked if it was the network feed...I think heads would roll in NY if the NBC/Universal were to witness the local handling of their HD content...considering that this has been going on for such a long time, I'm starting to wonder if anyone at NBC's management level even watches their own network...or maybe they just don't have HDTV's in their homes...

One thing is clear after the continued complaints about not hitting 'the button' and the degradation of quality at the expense of subchannels....HDTV is still has a way to go and not on the radar as a priority for the major networks. The technology is there and waiting to be used to its potential...but weather subchannels, shopping networks, etc...still must be more profitable than focussing efforts on providing the best possible content and quality.

Confirmed! My Tivo recording from NY was HD right from the begining. NBC-10 defintely screwed up again. That's why my season pass is set for NY instead of OTA.

Where can I complain about this problem? NBC10's website? phone #? (or is it a futile attempt?)

I went to www.nbc10.com and sent an e mail to the "consumer reporter" An assistant named Sarah e mailed me back and said she would look into it. (see the e mail earlier in the thread). If we all e mail them maybe they will respond, however I believ JWHIP is right and they just don't care.

my cable box did some sort of system update this morning between 7:50-8:00 that i've never seen before, anyone get this?

I got an update last week, watching while getting ready for work and it rebooted on me, I would assume for an update, I haven't noticed anything different really. At least it was right before I was headed to work, so I had listings for the evening by the time I got home, and the full 2 weeks by the next morning.

Has anyone noticed WPVI's weather subchannel has changed from the static radar/NOAA feed to a live video similar to WCAU's weather plus? Sucks for us, just more bandwith eaten away from the main HD feed of WPVI.

And who the hell watches those to get their weather? If i'm at my tv, I will either flip over to weatherscan local or get up and look on weather.com and get it in 10 seconds flat. Those subchannels aren't even availible to those without digital cable.

The bean counters at the networks think that we are all consummed with weather, just look how much time they spend on it on the local newscasts, especially NBC10 which must have 10 weather "personalities" on staff. The bean counters also do not think that we can see a difference in PQ with their subchannels as I have spoken to them about it. Sounds like CD's "perfect sound forever all over again!

Those subchannels aren't even availible to those without digital cable.

Well, they're also available to those who watch OTA broadcast. But, they still suck, regardless. I thought WPVI's fairly static radar was a little useful, because I could flip to that instead of going on-line. But I never watch it now. And I have never watched the other sub-channels for WPVI or WCAU. I would much rather get the best PQ/bitrate on the main channel - who do they actually think is watching the sub-channels anyway?

In all fairness, there is one sub-channel I have used - 23-2 (is that NJS?) which is PBS and show the PBSkids programming - my kids watch it sometimes. However, at least they turn some of their sub-channels off when they broadcast HD programming at night.

While this thread is often a sounding board for complaints, lets give credit where it is due. Comcasts HD Flyers/Devils game looks very good tonight...I had some concerns about CSNs quality over the last few months but it appears that they are working out the issues...Phillies coverage has been steadily improving and now the Flyers coverage looks good...Nice job guys...its nice to see a network that does care about its PQ.

Chris.

Progear,

I agree. The problems at CSN were addressed and corrected. I love to watch an HD event and switch back and forth to the regular channel with sidebars, what a difference. I did that between periods when they were interviewing Umberger. In the HD shot you saw both of their arms on the left and right, regular they were both cropped at the elbows!

Great PQ last night on that Flyers game.. cept for that huge southwest banner that annoyed me

Any OTA folks loose sound early in CSI for big chunks last night? I finally went to kitchen TV for awhile, then returned for second half hour and it was fine, but in the beginning it was brutal.

It was rock solid on Comcast.

Any OTA folks loose sound early in CSI for big chunks last night? I finally went to kitchen TV for awhile, then returned for second half hour and it was fine, but in the beginning it was brutal.

No OTA problems here.

Need Help pls.

Which game will be on Channel 234 (FOX Philly) at 1PM of Sat(10/01)?
NYY vs BOS
or
CHI vs CLE

Thanks a lot!!!!

Any OTA folks loose sound early in CSI for big chunks last night? I finally went to kitchen TV for awhile, then returned for second half hour and it was fine, but in the beginning it was brutal.

No OTA problems here (recorded and watched later).

Hi all,

I am not sure the game between NYY and BOS will be on Fox Philadelphia or not. It should be national coverage (?)

But http://www.foxphiladelphia.com/whatson/index.shtml tells me 'StarGate' will be on from 1 PM.

If so, that SUCKS!

Sorry, Fox can only show one game all day so obviously they are going with the Phillie game.

There is a good map of what areas get what game over at dbsforums.com

http://www.dbsforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45724


Thanks a lot.

I figured that out also. :(

What channel is the Phillies game gonna b on tomorrow?

upn57

It's nice that they couldnt show the last game of the season in HD...

Sorry if this has been answered before, but could anyone let me know if he gets OTA digital reception in the King of Prussia area? If so, what antenna are you using. BTW, I am in Wayne near the intersection of Swedesford and West Valley. Thanks

So, any new word on the Flyers/Rangers in HD?

The game is on INHD. Heuristix, where you is digital hell and OTA is tough. I am near the bottom of the hill off Old Eagle and can only get channel 3 out pf Philly with an 8 bay Channel Master. My neighbor can get nothing at all out of Philly. Good luck!

The game is on INHD. Heuristix, where you is digital hell and OTA is tough. I am near the bottom of the hill off Old Eagle and can only get channel 3 out pf Philly with an 8 bay Channel Master. My neighbor can get nothing at all out of Philly. Good luck!

Thanks, that is what I suspected. I was going to get a CM 4221 but I don't think I am going to bother. You've saved me a lot of trouble.

Thanks, that is what I suspected. I was going to get a CM 4221 but I don't think I am going to bother. You've saved me a lot of trouble.

Heuristix: I'm in Wayne as well down at the bottom of a hill near the Radnor Police Station. With a specially modified ChannelMaster 4308 on top of a 15 foot pole on my roof I can pull in all the Philly OTA stations reliably, except for channel 57. Details of the antenna mod are available on the web (sorry, being a relative newbie here prevents the full posting of the url).

Heuristix, you may be far enough down the hill to get it to work. So it may be worth a try. However, Comcast has all the major OTA channels but obviously not for free. A professional came out try help my neighbor and after spending all day and trying all types of antennas and positins on the property, had no luck in getting any signal at all that was not totally useless.

The game is on INHD. Heuristix, where you is digital hell and OTA is tough. I am near the bottom of the hill off Old Eagle and can only get channel 3 out pf Philly with an 8 bay Channel Master. My neighbor can get nothing at all out of Philly. Good luck!

I hope so.

Its not listed in the guide under INHD, and Comcast told me the games wont be in HD around here. I know that is not conclusive, but at this point I'm not real confident it will be there. :confused:

swyck, it will be in HD and will be on INHD. I do not know who you are talking to at Comcast but they are not in the know. Check the INHD website. It is now listed on there for tomorrow night at 7.

Sorry if this has been answered before, but could anyone let me know if he gets OTA digital reception in the King of Prussia area? If so, what antenna are you using. BTW, I am in Wayne near the intersection of Swedesford and West Valley. Thanks

I'm out past you inbetween Malvern and Exton. I have all stations at 90% or above using a Channel Master 4228 and Dish 6000. I had an amp in there but removed it without any loss in signal. The antenna is located inside my attic.

I too use Comcast's channels though and OTA only as a backup.

O.K. thanks guys, I will give it a try, before giving up on free HD.

Flyers are go for HD! I verify JWhip.

Here's the URL: http://inhd.com/product.jsp?prodId=38054&mp=cb2&mp=cb2

I'm in Lansdowne about 7-8 miles from all the major local antennas. I'm currently trying to get a stable OTA signal to work. Initally I was testing the waters and bought a Terk HDTVi from ratshack with full intention of returning it. I was able to lock on the majority of the channels, but saw frequent dropouts. I then discovered an old antenna on the top of the house I just moved into, and went up to try and hook it up. This antenna is rusted to the mast, and unable to be adjusted, but fortunately it appears to be aimed in generally the correct direction. I jerryrigged a coax wire to the 300 ohm ribbon wire leads from the antenna, and ok-- I saw a slight improvement but still unwatchable dropouts on almost every station.

I've heard that there is no reason why I shouldn't be able to pick up all these stations easily with an indoor antenna- the Silver Senor has been recommended and a relatively cheap $15 ratshack antenna has also been mentioned several times as being good.

I'd like to get a more stable solid signal, which I know I should be able to get without spending tons of money on a monster antenna, but I'm not sure if I should get one of these indoor antennas or look to get a new outdoor antenna to replace the old rusted monster on the roof.

Any thoughts?

Thanks

I would just get a new antenna for your roof and replace the old one. Where you are, any decent UHF antenna should work, from Channelmaster and even Radio Shack. Shouldn't cost more than $50.00 at most for the antenna and the mast, which can be a piece of conduit from a home supply store.

I ordered a Winegard High Def. Platinum HD UHF Antenna

from: http://www.tselectronic.com/antenna_index2.html

and have been pleased with the results.

I'm just north of Old City downtown.

One thing I like about this antenna is the mounting is on the rear of the unit, rather than under the middle. You can mount it close to a building, or in the middle of a mast.

Also, it connects directly to coax rather than twin lead, and also sports a combiner to join to a VHF antenna if desired.

I don't know who has the best price for it, so look around.

I would just get a new antenna for your roof and replace the old one. Where you are, any decent UHF antenna should work, from Channelmaster and even Radio Shack. Shouldn't cost more than $50.00 at most for the antenna and the mast, which can be a piece of conduit from a home supply store.

JWhip and others - question about antenna choices: when the broadcast digital transition is finally made at some point (2009?), aren't the local channels such as 2,6,10, going to broadcast their digital signals on the VHF channels that they currently use for analog broadcast? I, too, have been looking at UHF-only antennas, but it would seem VHF/UHF would be a better choice for the future if the VHF channels will be used for digital broadcast.

You are correct, 6, 10 and 12 will go back to their VHF frequencies at the analog cut off as they will have to vacate UHF 64, 67 and 55. However, you should be able to pick those up with regular rabbit ears with no problem.

swyck, it will be in HD and will be on INHD. I do not know who you are talking to at Comcast but they are not in the know. Check the INHD website. It is now listed on there for tomorrow night at 7. I guess it would be dream to assume ALL the OLN games will be on INHD for us "true" fans.?
What about games on CSN/HD.?--will they also be available on OLN, or will Comcast hold the rights to them.?

There will be aboout 25 or 27 OLN games in HD and most will be on INHD2. Flyers home games not scheduled for OLN will be in HD on CSNHD.

There will be aboout 25 or 27 OLN games in HD and most will be on INHD2. Flyers home games not scheduled for OLN will be in HD on CSNHD. thanks,
I guess the question for the DirecTv customer is,
those games scheduled for CSN, will they be exclusive to CSN, or available on BOTH OLN and CSN.?

The Flyers games scheduled to be on OLN will not be shown on CSN. The Flyers games not on OLN are exclusive to CSN unless they are scheduled for UPN57.

The Flyers games scheduled to be on OLN will not be shown on CSN. The Flyers games not on OLN are exclusive to CSN unless they are scheduled for UPN57. Just to clarify, I reviewed the TV schedule for the Flyers game on CSN.com, and I counted 7 games on OLN over 7 months....that's 1 a month, and I think all of those 7 are on INHDs schedule.
Do we know whether UPNs home games will be HD...like the Phillies were.?
How about Sixers home games on PHL17.?

Flyers home games on UPN57 should be in HD on UPN57. I was not aware that channel 17 had the Sixers contract. It used to be UPN57. I am not aware that an HD transmission line has been installed out of the CSN plant to WB17. That will be up to WB17 as UPN57 paid to have theirs installed.

Just to clarify, I reviewed the TV schedule for the Flyers game on CSN.com, and I counted 7 games on OLN over 7 months....that's 1 a month, and I think all of those 7 are on INHDs schedule.
Do we know whether UPNs home games will be HD...like the Phillies were.?
How about Sixers home games on PHL17.?

It's not 1 OLN game per month. It's 1 in October (10/5), 3 in November (11/8, 11/16, 11/22), 1 in January (1/30), and 2 in April (4/4, 4/11).

These are OLN exclusive and will not be seen on Comcast SportsNet.

A good sign - golf lessons are on INHD. Could it really be that the game will really be on?

Go Flyers!

Why was there ever even a question?

I'm watching the pregame coverage for the Ranger game on Comcast iNHD. Should we assume given the SD 4:3 up until now that only the game is in HD? Is someone late hitting the switch? I actually like the fact that on ESPN most of the "pregame" is in HD as is the game.

Thank you Comcast!!! Let's go Flyers!

PQ doesn't look that great to my eyes. Go Rangers!!!

Making me a litle dizzy, zoom out a bit and stop following that puck with those jerky moves...

It took well over a year for ESPN to build an HD studio and millions of dollars. Give OLN time. Jeez......

nah, OLN=Comcast=CSN, still looks awesome

damnit i didnt check inhd for the game, i had to watch it on oln and man they need to do something about the camera work, zoom out so we can see more of the ice. way to close to teh action.

Picture quality on OLN for the game was absolutely horrible. Shots of the ice were so bright it lacked any detail. Hope they improve over the course of the season.

Not so here whsbuss. Ice was not bright at all on my displays. My main display has been professionally calibrated and the ice was the proper color and you could even see the skate ruts.

whsbuss wrote (regarding Flyers/Rangers): "Picture quality on OLN for the game was absolutely horrible. Shots of the ice were so bright it lacked any detail. Hope they improve over the course of the season."

It was bright, but I though it was very sharp, on a DLP set. On some HD sets, as has been written elsewhere on AVS, whites are really bright. Some of these sets have five times or more the contrast ratio of your previous TV set. It's like lying on a beach in Florida after being used to what passes for sunlight in New Jersey.

Try darkening your picture, or if you happen to have a Samsung DLP set, try going to Cinema mode, in order to avoid ice-blindness.

Argh ! I live about 20 miles from the philly antenna farm in cherry hill. I got dish network before i realized that I needed an antenna to get local digital channels (fool me once, shame on me...).

So I picked up a terk tv5 yesterday. My overriding concern is getting fox and cbs consistantly locked for the sunday nfl games. I could care less about the other content. Of course the one channel I'm having problems with is fox. Its intermittant and almost always has ghosting. Nbc, cbs, upn, pbs are all perfect. I'm going to try a few more indoor antenna models. I'll go to comcast before i put a huge antenna on my roof. :mad:

Anybody else having problems ONLY with fox ?

Return that POS Terk and try a Zenith Silver Sensor if you're going the indoor route.

FWIW... I use a Channel Master 4228 in my attic and have no problems.

You say you have 'ghosting' on 29.1? That's not a 'symptom' of a problem with a digital channel. Are you sure you're selecting the digital channel and not the analog?

So was the Philly game on INHD? My picture on OLN was terrible. At times I couldn't make out who the players were. And Clement and Jones were bearly recognizable in the studio. I bought the Center ICe package and watched the Penguins. Pretty decent picture on that one and most of the other games.

Why was there ever even a question?
Well I'll never doubt you again, lol. :)

Still the question was because Comcast customer service told me there was no HD, and the cable guide had something else up, even during the game. So the choice was to believe Comcast, or to believe INHD (and you).

Just seems goofy to me that they can't get these things right. I have noticed that the guide is less reliable for the HD channels.

Picture quality on OLN for the game was absolutely horrible. Shots of the ice were so bright it lacked any detail. Hope they improve over the course of the season.

It was definately a crapfest IMO. It seemed to me basically just like a really, really, really good SD picture in widescreen. There was no way in hell I got even close to seeing the skatemarks on the ice. I'm not complaining, as at least it was in HD and I didn't have to watch it SD OLN (god help me) and hockey isn't my favorite sport, but it was definately the worst HD sporting event I've ever seen.

Return that POS Terk and try a Zenith Silver Sensor if you're going the indoor route.

FWIW... I use a Channel Master 4228 in my attic and have no problems.

You say you have 'ghosting' on 29.1? That's not a 'symptom' of a problem with a digital channel. Are you sure you're selecting the digital channel and not the analog?

I took back that terk and got an RCA 537. Problem totally solved. Sittin pretty with everything out of phiily coming in perfect now. Woot !

I hadn't seen the 537 anywhere online. But my local best buy had about 10 of them. Its just a small silver panel the size of a dvd case. $50.

Yup, fox was ghosting with that terk. It definately wasn't the analog channel.

Nice call by the RATMAN!!!

New Member here - Moved into Pottstown PA, and have a new HDTV on order, is anyone here from that area, and can you tell me what HD stations are available from Comcast without a box or CableCard. I have seen different posts about the local networks being available, and some about INHD, INHD2, Comcast Sportsnet HD, DiscoveryHD. I just want to know what I can expect. If possible could you post what you receive and what channel they are on. - Thanks for the help

There are no HD channels available from Comcast without a cable box or a cable card. You do not have to subscribe to digital cable to get HD but need to get the local basic package that does come with a cable box. You will get the local broadcast HD channels with that but not INHD, Comcast Sportsnet or ESPN, etc., just 3, 6, 10, 12, 17, 29 and 57.

It was definately a crapfest IMO. It seemed to me basically just like a really, really, really good SD picture in widescreen. There was no way in hell I got even close to seeing the skatemarks on the ice. I'm not complaining, as at least it was in HD and I didn't have to watch it SD OLN (god help me) and hockey isn't my favorite sport, but it was definately the worst HD sporting event I've ever seen.

I'm glad a few agree with my post that the picture wasn't that great.

I would not agree that it looked like realy good SD but it was probably one of the worst HD sporting events I've seen (only seen a few (30) so far) followed by some of the Fox NFL stuff.

With that said, I will give OLN a pass since it was my first HD hockey game and maybe it just doesn't look as good because of all the white in the background softening the picture to my eye. I'll check out a few other HD hockey broadcasts (if there are any) to compare to the OLN product before hammering the gavel and calling OLN "crap."

The good news was that it was the BEST hockey I've ever seen on TV. Generally, I do not like televised hockey but the 16:9 ratio in a large screen with HD actually made it much more enjoyable than 4:3 SD on a small screen. I'm convinced that you need a screen the size of an ice rink ;) to enjoy hockey.

I thought the picture was very good with great color. My only quibble was that the shots of the action were too tight and failed to take advantage of the widescreen format. This was due to OLN's creative decision to zoom in so that people would be able to follow the puck better on SD broadcasts. However, it resulted in far too many quick pans of the camera and made it more difficult to follow the action than had the camera angle been pulled back so that more of the ice was visible. For some reason, OLN feels that prior broadcasts of hockey are pulled back too far and show more of the crowd than the ice surface and make it harder to follow the puck. It is still an SD universe out there. However, continued thinking along the lines of OLN will make hockey look even worse on TV. HD was supposed to remedy that. It can look and sound great in HD. I have seen at least 200 hockey games in HD between CSN, HDNet, NESN and MSG with HDNet being the best due to their exclusive widescreen framing. They show what hockey is capable of looking like in HD, especially during the beginning of the third period where there are no announcers and they ramp up the audio. Sounds like being in a hockey arena!

It took well over a year for ESPN to build an HD studio and millions of dollars. Give OLN time. Jeez......

That set, however, looked dreadful compared to ESPN or any other national network. Today in the Philadelphia Inquirer, Frank Fitzpatrick compared it to "Wayne's World" local public access set!

Comcast needs to walk the walk if they want to be in the "big leagues" with the sports rights. I don't think Paul Tagliabue was watching this thinking the NFL on OLN would be be the best environment for his product. Very disappointing in the production standards of the pre and post-game show.

any idea on when we will get TNT-HD...the NBA season is right around the corner, and I'm sick of watching the Sixers in SD when I know it's available SOMEWHERE in HD.

Be patient

hey jwhip correct me if im wrong but i thought i saw somewhere that the NFL network was available in HD? Have you heard of this? I know there are 2 NFL channels with comcast, 180 and somewhere in the high 270's right before you get to HBO. But im pretty sure neither are HD.

hey jwhip correct me if im wrong but i thought i saw somewhere that the NFL network was available in HD? Have you heard of this? I know there are 2 NFL channels with comcast, 180 and somewhere in the high 270's right before you get to HBO. But im pretty sure neither are HD.
Neither are HD but I was wondering if Comcast had any plans in that regard. INHD carried NFL Network's Game of the Week (Lions @ Bucs) and it was pretty awesome. It would be great if Comcast surprised us with TNT, ESPN2 and NFL Network in HD when the NBA season starts ;)

The NFL HD stuff used to show up on INHD. I do not know why it isn't showing up npw. It is not on Directv either. Don't look for ESPN2HD anytime soon.

Watching the game tonight it looks like Comcast has made the same decision, they need to zoom out a bit more and show some more of the playing surface. This jerky camera work is really bad, especially when the camera can't keep up with the puck. Terrible.



I thought the picture was very good with great color. My only quibble was that the shots of the action were too tight and failed to take advantage of the widescreen format. This was due to OLN's creative decision to zoom in so that people would be able to follow the puck better on SD broadcasts. However, it resulted in far too many quick pans of the camera and made it more difficult to follow the action than had the camera angle been pulled back so that more of the ice was visible. For some reason, OLN feels that prior broadcasts of hockey are pulled back too far and show more of the crowd than the ice surface and make it harder to follow the puck. It is still an SD universe out there. However, continued thinking along the lines of OLN will make hockey look even worse on TV. HD was supposed to remedy that. It can look and sound great in HD. I have seen at least 200 hockey games in HD between CSN, HDNet, NESN and MSG with HDNet being the best due to their exclusive widescreen framing. They show what hockey is capable of looking like in HD, especially during the beginning of the third period where there are no announcers and they ramp up the audio. Sounds like being in a hockey arena!

Tonight's broadcast doesn't look good to me either.

1) The white ice seems to wash things out to my eye.

2) The white home jerseys don't help the broadcast.

3) Maybe the quality isn't there.

Overall, I'm now guessing that the other sports have such high contrast between the colors in the stadium, the field, and the players that the picture seems better to me. The hockey HD broadcasts are likely fine and due to the lack of "color" (white) of the playing surface the pciture doesn't seem as sharp to me.

Oh well, I think I screwed anyway since I'm a Rangers fan and I'm not sure if I will see any Rangers games in HD other than the times they play the Flyers.

JWhip- any chance of me seeing Rangers in HD via MSG on iNHD(2) like Comcast did with YES?

hey jwhip correct me if im wrong but i thought i saw somewhere that the NFL network was available in HD? Have you heard of this? I know there are 2 NFL channels with comcast, 180 and somewhere in the high 270's right before you get to HBO. But im pretty sure neither are HD.

It appears that INHD is only carrying the NFL Network feed in HD on Thursday night. This was particularly a shame for Eagles fans, since the Eagles/Chiefs game was the NFL Game of the Week on the NFL Network on WEDNESDAY night (NFL Game of the Week I). Note that each week there are 2 games of the week -- "I" and "II". "I" is always on Wednesday at 9:00 -- and "II" is always Thursday at 9:00.

So unless the Eagles are a "II" game -- they will not be seen in HD on INHD (carrying the the NFL Network's feed). Since the Eagles are such a good team, it is likely they will usually be the primary or "I" game. Pretty lame that they (Comcast) only carry it in HD on Thursday night.

Any explanation for this jwhip? Why not Wednesday night for the NFL Network (why Thursday)? Or better yet, how about a dedicated channel for the NFL Network in HD?

The NFL HD stuff used to show up on INHD. I do not know why it isn't showing up npw. It is not on Directv either. Don't look for ESPN2HD anytime soon.

It was on INHD on Thursday night (I think INHD2 to be precise).

Bad for Eagles fans though -- since Wednesday is the night the Eagle/Chiefs game was show-cased as the "Game of the Week I".

JWhip wrote, in part, regarding the inaugural HD hockey games: "I thought the picture was very good with great color. My only quibble was that the shots of the action were too tight and failed to take advantage of the widescreen format." JWhip added that it seems they do this because the same cameras are sending the SD feed.

This problem is worse with baseball. I want them to back the camera off, so that we can see more of the field. In baseball, what the other players are doing as a play develops is interesting. I am watching the game from NY at this moment (right now there's a break and they're showing the man who fired Tom Landry, hawking a cell phone or something).

Also in baseball, why do they do so many close ups of the players' faces? These shots give me a lot more information than I need about the fine details of peoples' facial features.

And is their some rule that we are never allowed to watch the pitcher and batter from the side? I know they have the camera there to do it, because sometimes they show the side shot.

Football game directors already seem to know how to set the cameras for HD. Sometimes the picture is not sharp as at other times, but I have had few complaints about camera angles in football.

As to hockey, I wonder how ABC's lighted puck would look in HD. Anybody remember that? A red tail would appear when the puck was shot at a certain speed. I didn't care for it after the novelty wore off, but if it would allow them to back the cameras off.....

Theswami, I do not know what you are watching the game on but I do not have a washed out picture at all. The ice is the color it is supposed to be and detail is clearly able to be seen on my set. I am watching on a commercial 50" panasonic plasma that has been professional calibrated so that it has a perfect gray scale. Also, the white on the uniforms is they way it should. Maybe it is the settings on your TV.

JWhip-

My TV is fine as all other HD content is good.

I can get a little verbose so I think my point was missed. The broadcasts may or may not be good BUT I do not appreciate them because there is so much white (home jerseys and ice). I believe that to MY eye the picture doesn't look as good because there isn't as much detail to see as compared to a football or baseball game or even Nascar for that matter. No blades of grass, corporate ads on cars, faces in the crowd, wrinkles on the jerseys, sweat pouring from a players brow, the stiches of a ball, grain of a bat, etc.

The colors are accurate but I didn't see the detail I expected to see. If I examine the situation a bit more there just isn't that much to see during a hockey game.

I saw a few skate marks in the ice but no where near as many as I know are there. I certainly didn't get the feeling that I was at the game compared to the other sports where I do feel that way.

So, will I see any Rangers on MSG HD via iNHD or some other station?

ABC's lighted puck?

Do you mean when it was enhanced (blueish then red with a trail)? That was Fox's attempt to assist fans with following the puck on the ice. That was sooooo terrible I almost gave up on watching.

If a Rangers game in in HD on OLN/INHD2 you will get to see it.

There are no HD channels available from Comcast without a cable box or a cable card. You do not have to subscribe to digital cable to get HD but need to get the local basic package that does come with a cable box. You will get the local broadcast HD channels with that but not INHD, Comcast Sportsnet or ESPN, etc., just 3, 6, 10, 12, 17, 29 and 57.

JWhip- Actually, you can watch these HD channels (locals) without anything from Comcast...I do it with a QAM tuner attached to my computer (EyeTV 500), but many TVs have one built in...right? I do pay for it, I just don't have any box or card from Comcast...

Zach

JWhip- Actually, you can watch these HD channels (locals) without anything from Comcast...I do it with a QAM tuner attached to my computer (EyeTV 500), but many TVs have one built in...right? I do pay for it, I just don't have any box or card from Comcast...

Zach

Zach is correct, I do the same thing with a LG LST-3510A.

Does anyone know when TIVO software will be available in Comcast DVR's? My current DVR, the SA-8000, just doesn't come close to the TIVO unit I previously had through DirecTV.

Does anyone know when TIVO software will be available in Comcast DVR's? My current DVR, the SA-8000, just doesn't come close to the TIVO unit I previously had through DirecTV.

Um.... I think that would be never...

Um.... I think that would be never...


Um... it's coming... I was just wondering if there was a definitive date for Philly

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/technology/2005-03-14-tivo-usat_x.htm

Zach is right but it you still are paying Comcast. Also, if you decide you want to upgrade to get other HD chennels, you have to get the box. if you already have the box, a simple phone call will do it. Also, most sets do not have a QAM tuner built in and that requires the cost of purchasing the QAM box. The last I checked, the cheapest was the Samsung at about $249.99 wich is a considerable cash outlay compared to the Comcast monthly box rental fee.

The Tivo option should be available in the Philly area in the first half of 2006. However, there will be an added charge of at least $4.95 a month for the service on top of the DVR fee. I for one, will pass.

The Tivo option should be available in the Philly area in the first half of 2006. However, there will be an added charge of at least $4.95 a month for the service on top of the DVR fee. I for one, will pass.

Thanks for the info JWhip! I'll have to re-evaluate once the option is there. If I started with a standard DVR, I probably could care less, but having used TIVO, it is far superior to what I have today. Is it worth the $4.95+ more a month? Maybe

Everyone, I have grave news.

WPVI amended their channel election with the FCC on the 26th of September.

Remember how they said they'd go to Round Two and choose a new UHF?

They changed their mind (http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-05-2649A1.pdf). (Warning, PDF file)

Channel 6. Why, oh why, did WPVI choose channel 6. Someone's gone mad over at ABC. Someone needs to be institutionalized. And fast.

I'm so saddened by this news...

- Trip

how does this news affect us? I don't see what the big deal is

You obviously have never had a low-VHF digital. They require a HUGE antenna, they're subject to e-skip, impulse noise, electrical interference... I have a low-VHF digital. Out of 100 times I've tried to watch it, it's been watchable with breakups 4 times and watchable without breakups once. Meanwhile, all the UHF digitals the same distance are always clean.

For more information, research the WBBM fiasco.

- Trip

I guess I should be thankful I have cable...

Trip, I could not disagree with you more. I think that it will be easier to get WPVI on VHF 6 even with a set of rabbit ears. You will not even need a big VHF antenna. I can get channel 60 out of Bethlehem, PA which is not even in my market with my CM 8 bay UHF antenna on VHF 9 will no problem at all. They are not high power and it comes in rock solid with no issues at all. BTW, the same decision has been made by channels 10 and 12.

Trip, I could not disagree with you more. I think that it will be easier to get WPVI on VHF 6 even with a set of rabbit ears. You will not even need a big VHF antenna. I can get channel 60 out of Bethlehem, PA which is not even in my market with my CM 8 bay UHF antenna on VHF 9 will no problem at all. They are not high power and it comes in rock solid with no issues at all. BTW, the same decision has been made by channels 10 and 12.

On analog, low-VHF is the place to be. On digital, high-VHF is the place to be. Trust me, low-VHF is a royal pain. Yes, you DO need a big VHF antenna for it unless you're sitting on top of the transmitter.

WCAU has elected round two due to interference issues with WHTM in Harrisburg. I have no opposition to upper VHF. It's 2-6 that's problematic.

- Trip

The Tivo option should be available in the Philly area in the first half of 2006. However, there will be an added charge of at least $4.95 a month for the service on top of the DVR fee. I for one, will pass.


Will TiVo run on the current boxes? I think you said yes before, but I'm not sure.

I'd also be glad to beta test TiVo if they're looking for people. I recently added cable, but have been a Directv/TiVo user for 3-4 years now.

My understanding is that it will be a software download to the current boxes.

JWhip, do you know if Comcast is ever going to update the Scientific Atlanta boxes' software. Or do we get to stick with the same guide from the mid 90's?

I do not know drhill

The Pitt/Buf game on INHD2 looked awesome last night WRT PQ. It reminded me of the Flyers playoffs the previous season when I first purchased my DLP.

The Pitt/Buf game on INHD2 looked awesome last night WRT PQ. It reminded me of the Flyers playoffs the previous season when I first purchased my DLP.

Anyone have any idea if the away game tonight going to be on in HD on any station?

I doubt it, but trying to watch in SD just drives me nuts.

Everyone, I have grave news.

WPVI amended their channel election with the FCC on the 26th of September.

Remember how they said they'd go to Round Two and choose a new UHF?

They changed their mind (http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-05-2649A1.pdf). (Warning, PDF file)

Channel 6. Why, oh why, did WPVI choose channel 6. Someone's gone mad over at ABC. Someone needs to be institutionalized. And fast.

I'm so saddened by this news...

- Trip

Are you saying that the UHF channels 26 etc are being discontinued? I just bought a DB8 and am trying to get it all set up. If the UHF is going down, I'm returning it and just waiting for directv to do the locals in a year or so (HDtivo wise)

Here was my DB8 story (prior to learning about this vhf switchover.)

I've been toying with my DB8 while my wife is inside telling me the signals. I can get channel 26 in the 80s signal wise but none of the other ones come in more than 60s usually and mostly are in the 30s. I know this can't be used as my permanent mounting position but is it just a weaker amount of power from the other stations or does something have to do with the actual channel numbers? In other words, will channel 26 come in inherentily better than 64 and 67 because of it's frequency?

Also I have lots of problems with the lower level signals not being equal on both tuners but assume with a stronger signal that will resolve on my HDtivo.

and how do you guys aim? do you find a mounting spot then try to tweak or do you carry the thing around on the pole (it's what i'm doing) and see what the signal is different places around your house? Seems you can't mount until you know you have a signal. Actually I am using my patio table with umbrella stand, works wonderfully for now.

Also, if all channels are at 130 (except fox at 128), shouldn't all the 130s come in while facing the same way? i've had to turn the antenna what i believe is more than a few degrees (probably an inch in distance) to get better signals on some of the stations. So that's what makes me wonder if the antennaweb thing isn't really accurate for me.

with all this rain i can't even attempt roof mounting but have had my antenna up about 8-12 ft via various methods over the past few days.

Also funny thing is, the strongest signal appears to come while directly facing some trees. I'm worried about mounting after leaves fall because I'd be in trouble in spring when they come back. So time is ticking to get a good signal permanently.

So is 26 the strongest station? Or am I just getting lucky with my aim?

KYW-DT is the strongest station as it has the highest power plus the fact it is on UHF 26. The lower the UHF frequency with more effective the power is. As an example, UPN 57 is on UHF 32 and comes in clearly despite its low power rating. The further you move up the UHF scale, the lower the effective power rating. 3, 17 and 29 are all keeping their UHF fequencies when analog is shut off. 6, 10 and 12 are keeping their VHF and dropping their UHF ones. My UHF only antenna picks up 6, 10 and 12 analog now so you may not need a new antenna.

Hello, I was told to post my question in this forum. I've decided to wait a week or two for the Fusion HDTV5 USB tuner. Now, I am new to HDTV and was just wondering if cable companies (specifically Urban CableWorks in Philly) send HDTV feeds alongside the analog feeds on the coaxial cable. So, can I receive HDTV on the broadcast networks by simply plugging my cable line (analog cable) into the tuner? When a show comes up with "HDTV where available" will the broadcast switch directly to HD? Or will I need to buy one of those $20 antenneas and switch to that when I want to watch true HD on broadcast networks? Thank you for any responses and please ask me to clarify if you don't understand my question!

KYW-DT is the strongest station as it has the highest power plus the fact it is on UHF 26. The lower the UHF frequency with more effective the power is. As an example, UPN 57 is on UHF 32 and comes in clearly despite its low power rating. The further you move up the UHF scale, the lower the effective power rating. 3, 17 and 29 are all keeping their UHF fequencies when analog is shut off. 6, 10 and 12 are keeping their VHF and dropping their UHF ones. My UHF only antenna picks up 6, 10 and 12 analog now so you may not need a new antenna.

1- After the transition, channels 2-51 will remain (though I personally think they should drop 2-6).

2- WCAU is NOT GOING BACK TO CHANNEL 10. I keep hearing that and it is not true. WCAU cannot move back to channel 10 due to interference issues from WHTM-DT in Harrisburg and WBPH-DT in Bethlehem.

WCAU will be electing in Round Two. If I had to guess, I would say channel 35.

- Trip

why are all the new shows on ABC (commander in chief, invasion, etc.) coming only in 2.0. Apparently they're coming in 5.1 everywhere else, but not here. It's odd because all the old shows like boston legal, lost, alias, according to jim...all of them are coming in 5.1, but not the new shows. Is this a comcast issue or something with wpvi

KYW-DT is the strongest station as it has the highest power plus the fact it is on UHF 26. The lower the UHF frequency with more effective the power is. As an example, UPN 57 is on UHF 32 and comes in clearly despite its low power rating. The further you move up the UHF scale, the lower the effective power rating. 3, 17 and 29 are all keeping their UHF fequencies when analog is shut off. 6, 10 and 12 are keeping their VHF and dropping their UHF ones. My UHF only antenna picks up 6, 10 and 12 analog now so you may not need a new antenna.

that explains why 26 is so good and the rest is crap for me. I need to move a house and trees to get a better signal I guess.

64/67 were hard to lock onto and I had to actually swing the antenna a bit and never got above 70. Are the towers all close together? With antennaweb saying all are 130 except fox for me, I thought I'd get them all pretty good except fox. Thing is, i got some NJ stations when I couldn't get in some philly so that's why I'm wondering how successful I'll be in tuning.

someone just told me that analog won't be turned off until 2009 and that the present channel numbers would be good until then. Since that's true, then I guess I may try to aim this thing some more. I was expecting to get at least 1 yr out of it until DTV gets me a new hdtivo. I'm waiting to buy an actual HDTV until I'm sure i get a good signal. no point in buying a useless tv right?

I was expecting to get at least 1 yr out of it until DTV gets me a new hdtivo. I'm waiting to buy an actual HDTV until I'm sure i get a good signal. no point in buying a useless tv right?

using similar logic, why did you buy an HR10-250?

Z

And I am still waiting for TNT HD. It's hopeless. :(

virtually no cost for a 250 gig hard drive (dtv giving them away) and I needed another tivo for triple conflicts.

The rest is gravy. I'm trying to get the gravy now :)

Also i've heard uncompressed signals appear better on even my old TV versus DTV's locals on the bird

Hey I figured out my question succinctly (took all day lol). Will the present Philly higher UHF channels transmit on those channels at least through the end of 2006 guaranteed? (ie channel 6 wont be moving to 6 anytime soon?)

If I can get 1 yr of OTA before directv gives me a new dish etc, it will be worth the obvious pain I'm going to have while trying to aim this db8 thru the trees.

Newsposter: Also don't forget transmitter height is also an important factor. I get CBS 60-85% all the way in North NJ, Fox I'll get a whiff of a signal if the planets are aligned! Oddly enough 1.5 years ago Fox's signal seemed to be more consistent, why? After talking to their engineer I found out that despite being at higher power than 1.5 years ago their transmitter is only at an elevation of 500' (after move to new tower) which is 1/3 where they want to be and half of what it used to be. They plan on elevating the transmitter within the year.

Anyone having trouble with Comcast pixelation tonight, especially on HDTV channels? My HD channels are unwatchable, and I am seeing some on the regular digital channels as well. My internet has also been dropping on and off, and my SNR ratio on my cable modem has been down around 30db. I am in Bryn Mawr, Delaware County PA. Thanks.

whsbuss wrote, "ABC's lighted puck? Do you mean when it was enhanced (blueish then red with a trail)? That was Fox's attempt to assist fans with following the puck on the ice. That was sooooo terrible I almost gave up on watching."

I thought it was ABC that lit the puck, but anyway, I did not like it. I was just saying that I would prefer it, if in exchange they would back the cameras off. With HD, they could show us more of the playing area at all times, but they use the same shots for the SD feed and if they back away the shot, the puck would not be as visible in HD without computer enhancement.

Anyone having trouble with Comcast pixelation tonight, especially on HDTV channels? My HD channels are unwatchable, and I am seeing some on the regular digital channels as well. My internet has also been dropping on and off, and my SNR ratio on my cable modem has been down around 30db. I am in Bryn Mawr, Delaware County PA. Thanks.

The only thing I watched last night was a little of Jay Leno - and there were constant breakups on the HD channel. Completely unwatchable.

Called Jim Gilbert -vp at wpvi abc to inquire about the lack of Guide info & lack of spanish cc2 on digital ( cc2 is on analog per the new abc drive to provide spanish-cc & dubs- any one check the sap??? is it there?)
He got back to my vm same day -quick- & stated they enter the guide info mannualy & just haven't done it. Hopes to find time to enter it but when more important things come up, that gets back burnered. He wasn't sure about the cc2, & stated, honestly no one has checked.
Once again, I am please with the response time & that Jim DOES provide info. I just don't like what I hear- in this case -digital appears to be a low priority & the lack of quality contol- he knows it isn't done but doesn't act- but re-act to viewers complaints.

Thats better than NBC10. Still waiting to here the engineer's explanation regarding the multicasting and lack of HD PQ.

so anybody know about the ABC 2.0 on some shows?

Anyon watching Notre Dame / USC on NBC10 HD.

PQ is horrible !

When will NBC acknowledge their inferior PQ!

Anyon watching Notre Dame / USC on NBC10 HD.

PQ is horrible !

When will NBC acknowledge their inferior PQ!

Totally agree. I was watching the game and I thought it was my TV or cable in my home that was the issue.

Check the game thread, PQ was awful all over the country.

Hey I figured out my question succinctly (took all day lol). Will the present Philly higher UHF channels transmit on those channels at least through the end of 2006 guaranteed? (ie channel 6 wont be moving to 6 anytime soon?)

If I can get 1 yr of OTA before directv gives me a new dish etc, it will be worth the obvious pain I'm going to have while trying to aim this db8 thru the trees.

hate to quote myself but was wondering if anyone knew for certain that the channels will remain AS IS for all of 2006 at a minimum? channel 6 is a dealbreaker for me if it won't be on at least that long.

hate to quote myself but was wondering if anyone knew for certain that the channels will remain AS IS for all of 2006 at a minimum? channel 6 is a dealbreaker for me if it won't be on at least that long.

Definitely through 2006, I think the analog shutoff is now scheduled (at least in the Senate bill) for April 2009.

- Trip

Definitely through 2006, I think the analog shutoff is now scheduled (at least in the Senate bill) for April 2009.

- Trip

k thanks, so is keeping analog on 6 mandatory until 2009 (or whatever date)? just another curiousity of mine.

has anyone noticed the improvement in picture quality in the last few days on ALL of the channels on Comcast. Every single channel seems sharper, and FOX-HD doesnt look like crap anymore

has anyone noticed the improvement in picture quality in the last few days on ALL of the channels on Comcast. Every single channel seems sharper, and FOX-HD doesnt look like crap anymore

Watched sports all weekend, didn't really notice much different. I still see blocking from compression all the time on SD channels. ND game looked like ****, but that was nationwide.

However I must say the Flyers games on CSNHD looked stunning this weekend. Because of the ice I could not see the blocking induced from the camera movement.

Nice total F-up again by 6-ABC's HD engineering department last night.

Dropouts, audio - you name it. I even had to switch to the standard channel so I wouldn't miss any more of the show.

Biggest prime time show they have and they can't even broadcast it right.

So weak for a big-city production.

I thought Comcast was going to turn off the movie channels west coast feeds on 10/15. I still have mine. I did notice that an Encore on Demand channel showed up.

Watching Daily News Live on CSN, they went to HD. Not sure when, as I'm watching to see Jay Wright talking about my Wildcats:)

Sure as hell beats how they used to stretch the 480 themselves at the station, that looked horrible.

I thought Comcast was going to turn off the movie channels west coast feeds on 10/15. I still have mine. I did notice that an Encore on Demand channel showed up.

I thought it was the 18th they are removed

I thought it was the 18th they are removed


Thanks shades - I must of had the wrong date. With the deletion of the west coast feeds what should we expect in their place? Improved PQ, new HD channels, nothing changes?

They have not been removed as of the 18th

West Coast feeds are gone in DE as of yesterday.

Removed 15 channels - doubt we'll see anything new

Hey guys, I posted something on the last page (page 180) and didn't get a response yet. I'll just repost it again. Here goes...

Hello, I was told to post my question in this forum. I've decided to wait a week or two for the Fusion HDTV5 USB tuner. Now, I am new to HDTV and was just wondering if cable companies (specifically Urban CableWorks in Philly) send HDTV feeds alongside the analog feeds on the coaxial cable. So, can I receive HDTV on the broadcast networks by simply plugging my cable line (analog cable) into the tuner? When a show comes up with "HDTV where available" will the broadcast switch directly to HD? Or will I need to buy one of those $20 antenneas and switch to that when I want to watch true HD on broadcast networks? Thank you for any responses and please ask me to clarify if you don't understand my question!

If your local cable provider sends the digital channels unencrypted, you will get them (normallly only 'locals').

Checked last night and the west coast feeds are still on in South Jersey (Medford).

West Coast feeds are gone in DE as of yesterday.

Removed 15 channels - doubt we'll see anything new

I also checked last night & I'm still getting West Coast feeds.

"Jim Gilbert, vp eng, (215-581-4542)"
Opinion has changed. What an As%%%ho%%!!!

Week later - still no guide info- Noticed newscast now promotes the abc weather chanel but only references the cable not OTA. I tried asking if there were any updates on Guide & if aware that OTA was not advertised...

He then started to say well, frankly not that many watch digital, I have to worry about the many others on analog, & if you know its in 6.3 then whats your point?
My point? I asked if I count as a viewer?
I said thought it would be helpful to advertise cable & OTA & that all other srtations have the guide info. He saiod I doubt that. I said sorry, but they do. Well, they have the software & we do not & its just not important...
I said it has been difficult since the content has changed a lot in past year..he cut me off - we have has same 3 channels for years... I said - yes, but if you heard me say content not channels- abc news, abc weather, the static no sound weather to the sound to the abc feed, to rebroadcasting the news to now offering informations... he said Oh & then said again what is your point?

I said, OK I guess my point is you appear to not care about your future digital viewers & I will mention this on the web sites.. He ended with "knock your self out" I ended with - ok you have a nice day!
I thought out loud YOu ASS*(**!

I have had countless discussions with Mr. Gilbert. His positions regarding their digital channel is downright scary. He claims that he sees no difference between the 45mbs downlink from the network re: MNF and the 14mbs signal they send out OTA and the cable. This is pure bull. He claims that the multicasting of two worthless channels does not compromise their PQ when it clearly does. Point of fact is that they DO NOT CARE about their digital channel and will not until the analog channel is turned off. They find us early adopters to be an irritant.

Got an SXRD tv last friday. CBS was a joygasm to watch. ESPN was damn close. Fox was pretty bad as was ABC. There is a huge difference between ABC and ESPN and it is sad.

Regarding ABC and ESPN, I have the HD recordings to prove it. The PQ on the Giants-Saints football game shown on ESPN blows away MNF on WPVI. And their chief engineer can't see a difference? I think they need a new one!

whats the status of TNT HD

I have been told that good news is right around the corner.

Frustrating part was Jim LIED! Last week he apoligized that the Guide information was not updated ( updated -in hindsite-was it ever there??), stated he knows it needs to be done, & stated that he would even have to shuffel some stuff to make it happen. He never answered my question about Spanish CC not on digital ( ABC directive for all prime time- its on analog but not digital) & blew off that the OTA digital was not part of the new advertising of the cable sub channels.

One week later - I remember the conversation we had- but he almost treated it like I was another annoying viewer calling about same subject- then I guess when the light bulb went off & he remembered that I called last week ( shi* I didn't do anything & the viewer called back) & was mearly calling 1 week later to see if there were any updates- he got sarcastic- "SO, what is your point..." & then stated un-truths- "I doubt all the others digitals have Guide..."
He now gets labled here as an AS%Ho**.

May I suggest other AVS members call- be respectfull- but put the pressure on the "VP" make him earn that "VP" title & make it happen.
Hmm... If we don't do our jobs at work...what happens...? Why should he be able to do this...
Call him...Jim Gilbert, vp eng, (215-581-4542) wpvi 6 abc

Will the Eagles-Chargers on 10/23 be broadcast by KYW in HD?

Brian

Never mind, I got a quick reply from KYW:

Thank you very much for your recent comments. Yes, the San Diego @ Philadelphia game will be broadcast in HDTV and 5.1

Sincerely,
CBS 3
TV Programming Department

I have been told that good news is right around the corner.

Only TNT HD or will there be more!

Hi, I'm a new member. I'm currently able to get ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, and Fox in HD OTA. With my antenna in one location, I get most of the channels really strong but one or two don't work or go out frequently. In another location those week channels work well but the others are now weak. Is it possible to have two antennas in parallel and will that fix my problem? Ideally, I'd mount an antenna in each position to be able to get all HD channels.
Also, is amplification necessary? I've got an antenna feeding a single HD tv with an integrated tuner. I have a second tv that I will also want to feed. Currently, I have an AC power amplifier that plugs into the line just before the antenna plugs into the tv. How would that fit into a scenario with two or more tvs? I'm in the Philadelphia area. Thanks

TNT HD only as far as I know.

start here for research;

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=381623

Hi, I'm a new member. I'm currently able to get ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, and Fox in HD OTA. With my antenna in one location, I get most of the channels really strong but one or two don't work or go out frequently. In another location those week channels work well but the others are now weak. Is it possible to have two antennas in parallel and will that fix my problem? Ideally, I'd mount an antenna in each position to be able to get all HD channels.
Also, is amplification necessary? I've got an antenna feeding a single HD tv with an integrated tuner. I have a second tv that I will also want to feed. Currently, I have an AC power amplifier that plugs into the line just before the antenna plugs into the tv. How would that fit into a scenario with two or more tvs? I'm in the Philadelphia area. Thanks

so whens that big news for TNT coming?

i wait to see this game today on cbs. So much better quality then fox, although i dont like there announcers as much.

Wow! It's games like these that I listen to the guys on WYSP (94.1 FM simulcast).

This is the first time that WYSP has been within a second of the HD broadcast. Used to be about 7 second delay which made listening unworkable. If someone at WYSP is tweaking the delay, thanks!

Watching on Comcast.

the detail on the game was excellent, but did it seem a little washed out in terms of the colors?

so whens that big news for TNT coming?

It's like 'soon' forever.

the detail on the game was excellent, but did it seem a little washed out in terms of the colors?

Sunlight.

Anyone else having problems with WB17 digital over-the-air?

For me the signal power is modulating, making the channel unwatchable (cuts out every few seconds). This is the only channel having this problem so I know its something on their end. This has been going on for 2 weeks. I don't watch a lot of TV in general, but I am a Smallville fan - I haven't been able to see it for the last two weeks, and when I check WB right now its doing the same thing (unwatchable, up and down signal power).

17.1 OTA... I have trouble taping supernatural via a samsung 165 to mits dvhs. Weird thing is I can tape via sony tv's built in tuner to jvc dvhs. Picture is fine to watch- no drop outs -but issue is in taping- then dropouts.
Don't know if it is a bit rate issue for mits or if it is just the mits. All other channels tape flawlessly. I need to do more experimenting.

so whens that big news for TNT coming?
It must be by ~Nov. 1, because that is about when the NBA season starts.

Enough with the TNT garbage - that's the same info we heard MONTHS ago.

There is a lot of talk over in the programming forum about NBC & their latest picture break up issues in the past few days & that the Rain in NY may be the reason due to their sat. signal ku band etc.
Cpanthers suggested I re-post my experience over here.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6415931#post6415931

OK, he asked for it...
I called my local NBC 10 in Philly 610-668-5510. Engineering voice mail box was full- unable to leave message. I called again & was transferred 3 times.
Finally Spoke to a Tim O'Sullivan. He stated that Jim Barger was "the Guy" that checked the digital signals since he had a HDTV set at home.... (Not the office, control room, engineering) but at his house...

Tim stated that he and his dept. had no knowledge of the picture quality issues over past few raining nights.
He was very evasive on phone. He flat out stated ..."I am not going to comment on the situation because you probably already no what it is, that nothing is happening, & that our attention has to focus on the analog, & "you people" will just go back to the web sites & post disparaging remarks...I can tell you this, we are not reviewing the digital signal from the control room"

OK let’s not make him a liar. NBC (no body cares). Good it is out of my system & saves face for him because I am "those people"
I did get Jim Barger's secretary & asked for his voice mail. I left a business professional message. Fully expect the delete button will be pushed

Well I'm glad people call just so they know what's going on, but I don't bother anymore personally. Its not just NBC - I don't think any of them really care - and to be honest, I understand why. There just aren't enough of us to make any real $ difference to them. I'm not even sure I get why they care about analog OTA? How many people are viewing those signals these days? Everyone I know personally has cable or satellite. I hope the analog shut down happens ASAP, then maybe they will care about the signal (maybe not). Also when analog dies maybe PBS will boost their signal strength so we can actually pick up their signal in the suburbs.

I could have saved you the trouble. NBC10 nevers monitors their digital signal and they ignore it and will continue to until 4/7/09. It is hard to believe that they have such an unprofessional operation. Their analog signal doesnt look all that great either. Again, all NBC10 cares about is weather.

wow So i'm lucky to get anything on 67 i guess lol. Any idea which other stations do care? ...or dont? :)

I recorded Medium on 10/24 and it was simply horrible. I don't believe I've seen so many dropouts since I first got Comcast HDTV.

From the above comments it seems like NBC station personnel don't care. If that is the case, they should be ashamed of themselves.

Doesn't NBC corporate have quality control standards? I guess not.

Maybe for analog, but appears not for digital...

side note...sometimes "knock your self out" works... I noticed wpvi 6.1 now has "some" guide info- they have tiltles- no descriptions- but yeah- its a start... I guess Jim G assigned someone to do it after he chastised me on phone for asking...

Sixers game looks soft... same as last year.

CBS's football games look so much better. Even though the camera is farther away, more movement, changing light conditions, and the equipment moves every week.

Ever since they went from the mobile truck to the permanant studio there has been less detail and sharpness. Honestly, ESPN football looks better. Sad that 1080i is being outperformed by 720p.

I need help seeing what my antenna problem is. Im 40 miles away from the Philly locals. Everything is at 130 except fox at 128. I have a DB8, which I thought would be pretty good for me as someone 1 mile from me has one and gets everything perfectly. Of course theirs is outside but I don't think that's my problem. I played outside extensively and because of trees etc, my current best position is in the attic. I've moved the antenna to every part of the attic so I'm confident I have the best pic up there.

If I dare a roof climb, I could get about 6 more feet in height. Unless you or I have a crystal ball, i'm not sure 6 ft will help. I know it wont hurt. But it's a big deal to get up there so I'm asking for input regarding multipath etc based on my readings. Gut says it will help though so hope for a dry weekend to get on the roof.

Here are my readings from my HR10 250 strength meter as the antenna hangs in my attic. Also I have a 25db amp hooked up 6 ft from the antenna to help with the 50+ foot run. Disconnecting the amp weakens the signal so it must be doing something


uhf station signal power height
26 (cbs3) 90-92 770/375
31 (pax61) 90-91
32 (upn 57) 80-85 250/400
34 (wbye35) 80-85 358/377
42 (fox 29) 25-45 305/161
54 (wb 17) 70-71 500/354
64 (abc 6) 75-85 500/390
66 (65) 65-75 not digital
67 (nbc10) 65-83 560/377


viewing observations: uhf channel 34 and lower are great/steady/reliable enough to Tivo unattended/42 doesn't even come in/54 and higher aren't reliable enough to tivo and risk missing a recording and they go up and down too much. Thing is, 64 and 67 are 2x the power of 32 yet 32 is sooo much more stable


amazing that 64 and 67 are 2x the power as 32 but that's so much more reliable :(

newsposter-

I am about the same distance from the antennas as you (southern chester county)... and going a little higher made all the difference for me. My antenna is now about 5 feet above the roofline, and when it was right at the roof I had issues with some stations . Of course it may be different for you, but I wouldn't give up before trying it higher... I too need the amp...

Z

You will soon find out that obstructions (your house!) and height make all the difference in the world! Trust me, put it on the roof...


I need help seeing what my antenna problem is. Im 40 miles away from the Philly locals. Everything is at 130 except fox at 128. I have a DB8, which I thought would be pretty good for me as someone 1 mile from me has one and gets everything perfectly. Of course theirs is outside but I don't think that's my problem. I played outside extensively and because of trees etc, my current best position is in the attic. I've moved the antenna to every part of the attic so I'm confident I have the best pic up there.

If I dare a roof climb, I could get about 6 more feet in height. Unless you or I have a crystal ball, i'm not sure 6 ft will help. I know it wont hurt. But it's a big deal to get up there so I'm asking for input regarding multipath etc based on my readings. Gut says it will help though so hope for a dry weekend to get on the roof.

Here are my readings from my HR10 250 strength meter as the antenna hangs in my attic. Also I have a 25db amp hooked up 6 ft from the antenna to help with the 50+ foot run. Disconnecting the amp weakens the signal so it must be doing something


uhf station signal power height
26 (cbs3) 90-92 770/375
31 (pax61) 90-91
32 (upn 57) 80-85 250/400
34 (wbye35) 80-85 358/377
42 (fox 29) 25-45 305/161
54 (wb 17) 70-71 500/354
64 (abc 6) 75-85 500/390
66 (65) 65-75 not digital
67 (nbc10) 65-83 560/377


viewing observations: uhf channel 34 and lower are great/steady/reliable enough to Tivo unattended/42 doesn't even come in/54 and higher aren't reliable enough to tivo and risk missing a recording and they go up and down too much. Thing is, 64 and 67 are 2x the power of 32 yet 32 is sooo much more stable


amazing that 64 and 67 are 2x the power as 32 but that's so much more reliable :(

You will soon find out that obstructions (your house!) and height make all the difference in the world! Trust me, put it on the roof...

actually, the neighbors house and trees. But he's a lawyer so probably would sue me or something.

I just think it bites that the 60s are 2x the power and almost the same height but I can't lock in well enough. Who made up these signals and the rules? They need to be changed :)

But seriously, obviously tv stations must have known it would be harder to get up that high on the channel grid. Why did they pick them? Plenty of room down below.

Anyone else having problems with WB17 digital over-the-air?

For me the signal power is modulating, making the channel unwatchable (cuts out every few seconds). This is the only channel having this problem so I know its something on their end. This has been going on for 2 weeks. I don't watch a lot of TV in general, but I am a Smallville fan - I haven't been able to see it for the last two weeks, and when I check WB right now its doing the same thing (unwatchable, up and down signal power).

I live in Elverson, PA which is around 10 miles West of Phoenixville. WB 17 is my weakest signal so I adjusted my CM4228 ( which is in my attic, no amps or pre-amps ) for the largest signal strength possible. I get around a 70 on the meter for WB 17. All the other channels are 85.

I can get all the channels in the antenna farm except PBS whyy 12 (55).

George

FWIW...

I know you have a DB8, but just for your insight.

The CM4228 has notches on each of the 'bowties'. They are there for tuning purposes. If each element is 'snipped off' at the notch, it provides higher gain for channels above ~55. Alternatively, it will decrease gain on the lower channels.

Just thought I'd throw that out there...

the more I think about this, the more I dont want to go on the roof. But I definitely need that height.

Anyone ever taken say 2 or 3 - 10 ft poles, and shimmy the antenna up from the ground by just adding them one at a time. If you got the highest wall mount up first, and got the antenna installed above that, to clear the mount itself, it seems it 'should' work. Then you'd just aim from the ground by spinning the pole.

Assuming the peak is 20-25 ft, i have no idea actually and would have to measure, I'd think the wall mounts at about the 14 ft and 7 ft marks from the ground could be ok. My 8ft ladder with me on it should get me to 14 ft easily. Then the mast would be rested right up against the roofline, providing some degree of 'support.'

comments?

comments?

Pesonally... I'd pay an installer ~$150 to do it right. You already have the hardware so you're just paying for labor.

If you are going to use more than one 10 foot pole, you will need guide wires to keep the structure stable.

Actually meditating over it the past few hours I'm back to favoring the chimney strap method. if DTV mpeg 4 locals come to me next year, this antenna is going down. No need to drill wall mounts and guy wires into the house. thanks for making me realize how much effort that really would have been.

For those of you that want to complain about NBC's picture quality, don't complain to the local affiliate, complain to corporate and tell them that the local affiliate has made you stop watching "Joey" or "Earl" or something. They definately won't care about how much you enjoy the picture quality of what you're watching, so long as you ARE watching it. Get a couple of Nielson people to note that they don't watch shows on NBC due to poor picture quality and I assure you they'll take notice.

That is a good idea, however, it is very difficult to find out on the network level who to send the complaint to. The NBC website does not have a contact for technical problems (other than website related)

If you find out who to send it to please post the info. I have tried for the last month or so to get any resolution, all I get is that the message is being passed on.

Enough with the TNT garbage - that's the same info we heard MONTHS ago.

I don't understand why Comcast ignores our market which is sort of big.

drhill wrote, in part: "Ever since they went from the mobile truck to the permanant studio there has been less detail and sharpness. Honestly, ESPN football looks better. Sad that 1080i is being outperformed by 720p."

Others wrote about how bright the conditions were for the Eagles game on CBS.

I read somewhere that 720p is said to be the better of today's TV formats (720p or 1080i) for sports, due to movement.

CBS looks better to me than Fox. ESPN looks better than Fox, too, ESPN's NFL games normally are on at night and maybe it's easier for the games to look good at night.

When last Sunday's game was shown on CBS, the conditions were very bright. Some people have written that the hockey games look extremely bright. These new TV sets have contrast ratios of 1500:1 and up. I stopped by to look at one of these new 1080p sets (although I will not be getting one of these until the present set wears out) and see where the ratios are way higher than that.

Maybe we need to watch day games with sunglasses on.

I had written that this evening (Wed 10-26-050), 5.1 sound was not coming through.

It was the Motorola 6412 cable box, which crashed this evening. How to restore 5.1 sound is explained in the 6412 box forum.

Maybe more need to dial the brightness settings on their sets down a bit. I thought the Iggles game looked great. My set has been professionally calibrated and looked like you were there. The same is true of the hockey games on INHD (via OLN) and HDNet.

JWhip wrote, in relation to comments about brightness in the Eagles game vs. San Diego and in hockey games in HD, "[m]aybe more need to dial the brightness settings on their sets down a bit. ...

I like the idea of the whole family wearing sunglasses while watching TV better. We can look like that famous photo from the 50's of an audience watching a 3D movie. :cool: :cool: :cool:

Speaking of bespectacled viewers, INHD shows from time to time a short about Mars and a logo appears telling you to don your 3d glasses. I would like to see 3DHD. Anybody know where to get the glasses?

Zack! I've been wondering the same thing. I want to have a few in my house for just such an occasion!

drhill wrote, in part: "Ever since they went from the mobile truck to the permanant studio there has been less detail and sharpness. Honestly, ESPN football looks better. Sad that 1080i is being outperformed by 720p."

Others wrote about how bright the conditions were for the Eagles game on CBS.

I read somewhere that 720p is said to be the better of today's TV formats (720p or 1080i) for sports, due to movement.

CBS looks better to me than Fox. ESPN looks better than Fox, too, ESPN's NFL games normally are on at night and maybe it's easier for the games to look good at night.

When last Sunday's game was shown on CBS, the conditions were very bright. Some people have written that the hockey games look extremely bright. These new TV sets have contrast ratios of 1500:1 and up. I stopped by to look at one of these new 1080p sets (although I will not be getting one of these until the present set wears out) and see where the ratios are way higher than that.

Maybe we need to watch day games with sunglasses on.


No, 1080i is a definitely level above 720p for sports. CSN used to show this, but not anymore. It is still above ABC and Fox (but everything is better then fox), but ESPN is better then CSN now.

Sunday's Eagles game on CBS looked outstanding on my 1080p set. It was bright from the sun, but that didn't really bother me.

JWhip, who do you get to calibrate your set? I might have mine done in a few weeks when it is ready.

Gregg Loewen at lionav.com. He is expensive bit one of the best in the country. The PQ on my 50PHD7UY plasma is stunning. I did not find the sun to be an issue at all on Sunday. It looked as natural as being there.

JWhip, Anything new on TNTHD? The NBA kickoffs with a TNT doubleheader Tuesday night.

Will someone please publish the current QAM channel numbers for our local HD channels? Thanks!

Gregg Loewen at lionav.com. He is expensive bit one of the best in the country. The PQ on my 50PHD7UY plasma is stunning. I did not find the sun to be an issue at all on Sunday. It looked as natural as being there.
He calibrated my Pio plasma as well. I highly recommend him.

JWhip, Anything new on TNTHD? The NBA kickoffs with a TNT doubleheader Tuesday night.

I don't think Comcast can do it. What a 5 months joke.

Gregg Loewen at lionav.com. He is expensive bit one of the best in the country. The PQ on my 50PHD7UY plasma is stunning. I did not find the sun to be an issue at all on Sunday. It looked as natural as being there.
Thanks.

Will someone please publish the current QAM channel numbers for our local HD channels? Thanks!

I was looking for the same info when I first got my new HDTV. Apparently, there is no master list that every comcast system uses. The exact numbers depend on your local system/ head end. Before I got my STB, I used the QAM tuner exclusively for about 3 weeks. During that time, the channel numbers for a few stations did change at least once. The last time I checked, all of my locals here in South Jersey were located between 109.1 and 119.2, after all the music channels. HTH.

JWhip, only 3 more days til the season starts. Wheres TNTHD? I mean, wouldn't they announce it at least a few days before?

I have not been given a date just that it is coming very soon. I know I am tired of asking them and I am sure they are tired of hearing from me. As soon as I know, I will post it here.

Hmmm, I'm not sure I should post this, but I am right this minute watching a movie *in HD* *via Comcast* on a certain channel that you guys have been begging for...

This is via clear QAM(EyeTV 500), so I'm not sure if it is on your STBs yet, but it is online...maybe they are testing...

Z

I was looking for the same info when I first got my new HDTV. Apparently, there is no master list that every comcast system uses. The exact numbers depend on your local system/ head end. Before I got my STB, I used the QAM tuner exclusively for about 3 weeks. During that time, the channel numbers for a few stations did change at least once. The last time I checked, all of my locals here in South Jersey were located between 109.1 and 119.2, after all the music channels. HTH.


Thanks for replying.

Sounds like a test to me although it is normally not done in the clear.

I am still getting TNTHD via clear QAM this morning. Right now they are showing an SD movie stretched to 16:9 - it looks terrible. Last night "Runaway Bride" was HD and looked OK...

Z

zmatzkin, what town are you in? It is my hope that it is added on 11/1 on a system wide basis and not some here and some there.

I am in southern Chester County...

This is a guess and only a guess but I will look for channel 204 on Tuesday morning, at least in PA. I know there are noticer requirements under NJ law. Hopefully it will be added in NJ then as well.

Glad your thinking of us. I remember seeing the TNTHD on a Comcast Billboard in a Circuit City store in Mercer County back in August hope that counts as a noticer!

what happened to not having enough bandwidth? I haven't lost any channels...how can they add TNT without making room for it unless they had the space all along. This makes no sense to me.

what happened to not having enough bandwidth? I haven't lost any channels...how can they add TNT without making room for it unless they had the space all along. This makes no sense to me.

The West Coast feeds of Starz, Cinemax, and Showtime were removed like the 18th of October.

faceoff!

still have west coasts feeds here

i still have em as well

Maybe it was just this side of the river?

Doubtfull usually what goes for PA goes for Jersey in the philly area, i wonder if that law goes both ways as far as not just adding channels but also deleting channels, they did remove Cinemax and showtime from analog awhile back

I just noticed this morning that TNT-HD is being broadcast in the 'clear' (QAM) here in Wayne, PA. It obviously must be coming soon!

I just noticed this morning that TNT-HD is being broadcast in the 'clear' (QAM) here in Wayne, PA. It obviously must be coming soon!

Further update: in Wayne the channel is 115.1 if you have a QAM tuner on your tv.

The west coast feeds were eliminated in part to add space for TNT-HD. Trust me, there was no bw before that the add TNT. Why would Comcast not put it on here when they have it on around the country if they had space for it. Just remember that Comcast has to serve the SD audience as well as us HD "Centrics" as I have been called as well as increased internet speeds and VoIP. Also, the ADS is taking up goos of BW. When analog service is eliminated, they will have tons of space for HD. It is my quess that Universal HD will be added in time for the Olympics. ESPN2 is the subject of negotiations with Disney and there are no positive developments concerning HDNet. I get Universal HD on D* and you are really not missing anything. However, I do love HDNet. JWBAUSCH, where in Wyne are you? Nice to see a fellow AVSer in Wayne.

TNT-HD has not been added in New Jersey. We still have all of the west coast feed channels.

Jwhip, I'm in South Wayne near the now demolished Radnor Police building.

Hey guys-

I was just wondering if TNTHD was going to be added here in Brick,NJ?? Jwhip do you have any more information?

The west coast feeds were eliminated in part to add space for TNT-HD.

ok so why does south jersey still have the west coast feeds

south jersey still has all the west coast feeds and tnt is not on 115.1 here either. any idea on whether their taking away the feeds or if they will just add it?

I bet we will be lucky to get TNTHD by the end of this NBA season.

For those who do begin receiving TNT-HD please confirm that the WEST Coast feeds have been removed and if your area has completed DS.

Comcast is offering a great deal for trading in my Sat dish for HD cable. They are offering HD Cable and HBO for $40.00 for 12 months for the swap. This will cut my bill down to half. Is there anything I should be concerned about making this deal? Are there anything I should look for in regards to hardware if I switch to Comcast?

ok so why does south jersey still have the west coast feeds

I guess that means TNT HD will not be available in south NJ any time soon.