can anyone give me the current status to get a DCT-5100 box rental at $6/month from Comcast without "my friends" making me spend $15 for something I dont need (digital cable).

I am avoiding buying a third ATSC STB and only need Philly networks in HD.

thanks and sorry if off topic

Barry,

Check your PM!

David

faceoff

yo da man

Originally posted by sdpadres
Hi All, I'm new to the HDTV thing and I'm curious what type of HDTV OTA antenna I should purchase. Using antennweb.com I'm approximately 24 miles from the towers. My goal is to pick up ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, WB, and UPN out of Philadelphia. I live in Medford, New Jersey very close to where Route 70 and Route 541 meet. I've read many threads on OTA antennas and I'm very confused.



You should be able to receive all Philly stations with an attic antenna. I am 50 miles away and can receive them with an attic antenna. I have a friend 65 miles away that can receive all of them with an antenna on top of their TV, which is shocking to say the least!

Let me get this straight... Your friend get's Philla DT channels 65 miles away from an antenna on top of his TV?? I am 58 miles from the Roxborough transmitters and have a hard time with a CM 4228 w/preamp. (Can get CBS, UPN WB okay)

I didn't believe it until I went there and checked it out. They live in Bedminster on the top of high hills/mountain so that probably explains it.

Originally posted by pabuwal
I didn't believe it until I went there and checked it out. They live in Bedminster on the top of high hills/mountain so that probably explains it.

Even with line of sight and nothing but a glass wall (sunroom?) I would have to see it to believe it. You sure he isn't picking up signals from somewhere other than Philly? CBS maybe, but "all channels" from a set top antenna at that distance?

If its true it would be a ringing endorsement for whoever makes that antenna. He should upload some photos...

Did anyone watch "The Simpsons" tonight on 29-1? For some reason the audio portion included the "descriptive" service (for the sight-impaired).

At first I thought it was a gag that was part of the show, but then it just got annoying, so I checked 29-0 and realized that 29-1 was broadcasting the wrong audio track over the main channel. I tried the SAP button on my remote (of the STB) and could not switch to any other audio tracks.

Fortunately, that was the only show that seemed to be affected on FOX tonight.

--Philly Tim

Am I the only one that experienced break ups on NBC )WCAU-DT) the last two days?? I have signal of around 80 on 2 different receivers but noted annoying break ups (audio and video) on Golden Globes, among others. I am OTA rather than comcast..

I'm OTA as well and experienced the same breakups. Normally WCAU is strong - last night during the news, nat'l news and golden globes I experienced breakups - about every 2 minutes or so - sometimes audio glitches, sometimes pixelation, sometimes screen blackouts. It appeared that I never lost the signal completely. I must be a transmission problem. I''m about 20 miles south of the roxborough towers in Wilmington, Delaware....

Originally posted by jim2417
I'm OTA as well and experienced the same breakups. Normally WCAU is strong - last night during the news, nat'l news and golden globes I experienced breakups - about every 2 minutes or so - sometimes audio glitches, sometimes pixelation, sometimes screen blackouts. It appeared that I never lost the signal completely. I must be a transmission problem. I''m about 20 miles south of the roxborough towers in Wilmington, Delaware....

I also have been experiencing these breakups. If you go back a few posts:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=3255892#post3255892

it seems this behavior started a few days ago, and its not just NBC. This is very odd (high signal strength but frequent quality drops -- almost like there is some strange interference, sun spots?). Many people in the Philly area are reporting this. I have no idea what the issue is...

I also see problems with WCAU OTA... Their signal strength is pegged at 100 on my DST-3000 but I'm getting the breakups others seem to be reporting as well. (I actually switched to the sig/strength meter during breakup periods, and the meter did not drop off 100 once...) Additionally, PVI and TXF have basically dropped off the chart for me with no explanation (TXF's in the 30's and PVI is in the teens) PVI, particularly used to be in the 90's...... The antenna (DAT-75) is attic mounted 42 Miles away in Bethlehem, PA... It's actually hung with string, so it's still pointing in the right direction (If one side fell, I'd get 0 on everything...)

I've heard that Comcast has enabled the DVI, DB9 and IEEE 1394 fire wire ports on the Motorola DCT 5100 and the 6200 in some of the southeastern Pennsylvania sites (city of Philadelphia, Lower Merion and Willow Grove as well as Harrisburg areas).

Can anyone verify that?

I've heard that NJ areas and the Philly suburbs in PA and DE should also be activated by February 10th if not before.

Originally posted by the q
I've heard that Comcast has enabled the DVI, DB9 and IEEE 1394 fire wire ports on the Motorola DCT 5100 and the 6200 in some of the southeastern Pennsylvania sites (city of Philadelphia, Lower Merion and Willow Grove as well as Harrisburg areas).

Can anyone verify that?

I've heard that NJ areas and the Philly suburbs in PA and DE should also be activated by February 10th if not before.

As for Harrisburg, we are still at 5.03 with DVI not enabled. It will be great to have IEEE 1394 Firewire enabled, as well as DVI for digital displays.

Originally posted by the q
I've heard that Comcast has enabled the DVI, DB9 and IEEE 1394 fire wire ports on the Motorola DCT 5100 and the 6200 in some of the southeastern Pennsylvania sites (city of Philadelphia, Lower Merion and Willow Grove as well as Harrisburg areas).

Can anyone verify that?

I've heard that NJ areas and the Philly suburbs in PA and DE should also be activated by February 10th if not before.

As of last night, Lower Merion was still 5.03 with no DVI enabled.

Andy

Originally posted by the q
I've heard that Comcast has enabled the DVI, DB9 and IEEE 1394 fire wire ports on the Motorola DCT 5100 and the 6200 in some of the southeastern Pennsylvania sites (city of Philadelphia, Lower Merion and Willow Grove as well as Harrisburg areas).

Can anyone verify that?

I've heard that NJ areas and the Philly suburbs in PA and DE should also be activated by February 10th if not before.

As of this afternooon, Firmware is 7.07 in the Abington area. I do not have a DVI cable to check if the port is active.

allinav - Abington is not part of the upgrade as of yet. Try it Friday. You may have to unplug the box from power.

asutor - unplug your box from power and plug it back in tonight

jsb-hburg - unplug your box from power and plug it back in tonight.

the q, heard anything about new Scientific Atlanta boxes for us poor *******s who have to deal with the 3100 (non HD friendly guides/info and foggy picture)?

The SA 8000HD box should be available to SA Comcast areas as early as April.

This box does HD and DVR in a single box and dual tuner.

http://www.scientificatlanta.com/consumers/Exp8000HD.htm

I still have 5.03 in Chestnut Hill (NW Philadelphia).

What is DB9?

If the 1394 port becomes active, can it feed a D-VHS?

Sweet. Just need the HDNet channels and I'm in heaven. (for now, more needs to follow) :)

Q-

I am in DOylestown and told that I am serviced out of New Castle as compared to Willow Grove,etc. which are out of Philly.

I have an install Friday for a 3rd set; got an idea whether I'll get a "live" 6200?

is channel 29 sending out the 16x9 signal for 24 tonight?

Originally posted by the q
I've heard that Comcast has enabled the DVI, DB9 and IEEE 1394 fire wire ports on the Motorola DCT 5100 and the 6200 in some of the southeastern Pennsylvania sites (city of Philadelphia, Lower Merion and Willow Grove as well as Harrisburg areas).

Can anyone verify that?

I've heard that NJ areas and the Philly suburbs in PA and DE should also be activated by February 10th if not before.

the q,

DVI has returned to Harrisburg. I will be getting a 6200 soon. Hopefully, a 6200 will feed a DVHS device.

from reading other threads, the firewire should feed a D-VHS and is unidirectional (out only). I am scheduled for a 6200 install on Friday and have the JVC 3000U deck and can report back. I am in Central Bucks.

Is the DCT-6200 available in Plymouth Meeting, PA yet? And if so , what are the main differences between that and the 5100?

I have the 6200 in Lansdale - do the gurus know if DVI is enabled on it, or what the firmware version I need to check is? Power off & power on as well?

My buddy in North Wales scheduled an install with Comcast, adn they can't get to him until the 9th of Feb - apparently run out of Motorola boxes.....


Cheers,
--Zig--

Originally posted by ZiggyB
I have the 6200 in Lansdale - do the gurus know if DVI is enabled on it, or what the firmware version I need to check is? Power off & power on as well?

My buddy in North Wales scheduled an install with Comcast, adn they can't get to him until the 9th of Feb - apparently run out of Motorola boxes.....


Cheers,
--Zig--

Hi Zig, welcome to the group. IF the ONLY thing you are looking for is the firmware version, do the following (with the TV and box on). With the Comcast remote:

1) Press "Menu"
2) WIth the arrow keys, scroll down to "Main Menu", and then press the "OK/Select" button.
3) Arrow over to the right column, and highlight "Setup", then press the "OK/Select" button.
4) Scroll down to "Cable box", press the "OK/Select" button.
5) Highlight "See configuration", and hit the right arrow key
6 You will find the firmware version in the right-hand column, near the bottom.

If it's 7.07, DVI should be good to go. Since I haven't gone there yet, I'll stop here.

ENJOY!

David

DVI is activated (ver. 7.07) in Delaware.

Version 7.07 here in Norristown.

For RCN subscribers in the Lehigh Valley:

If you didn't already notice or see their web site, CBS-HD is finally here! I was flipping from NBC->ABC and saw the extra channel. I just made plans for the Super Bowl party at OUR house this year. It's channel 181.

Now if they could only add Comcast-HD and/or INHD, I'd be ecstatic.

Version 7.07 here in Lansdale, havn't checked DVI yet, will do this weekend.

DVI is certainly working for me, with 7.07 in Philadelphia. Firewire looks to be active, too, but need to test this weekend.

Chris: let me know how you make out. am expecting Comcast this Am for 6200 box delivery and have my D-VHS deck ready, but have no idea what rev firmware I'll have. we can compare notes.

Originally posted by petersbar
Chris: let me know how you make out. am expecting Comcast this Am for 6200 box delivery and have my D-VHS deck ready, but have no idea what rev firmware I'll have. we can compare notes.

Barry,

When they plug the box in, it should search for a cable signal. when it finds it, the display should read "DL". After it's done downloading. I would be very surprised if you did NOT have 7.07.

Let us know how it goes.

David

Doylestown, just got 6200 with 7.07. plugged in D-VHS deck via firewire...

OSD says "DCT-6200" "I-2". records like a champ!!

since the game wont be any good, I'll have some HD memories of the commercials and HD movie trailers!

go Comcast!

What's the deal with the Firewire? It's only available on the 6200, right?
Will it work at the same time as DVI? Component? Has anyone called and been able to trade-in their 5100 for it? What reason did you cite if so? Do you call a local number or the national number?

Yesterday I left work early, went home, unplugged my 5100, drove to the nearest Comcast service center (Wayne Avenue in Phila, not a great area), presented the 5100 to the counter agent and asked to exchange if for the 6200. After some consultation, the agent asked if it was a DVR that I wanted, because they did not have that yet. I told him I knew that byt that I wanted the 6200 with the firewire/1394 connector. He looked dubious, but went into the back room and returned with a 6200. I had him show me the 1394 ports and then we swapped units. No charge.

The telephone CSR I spoke with in advance could not tell me which location might have 6200s in stock. I was prpared to drive to another location farther away if the first one did not work. Perhaps there is not so many Comcast customers near Wayne Junction with HDTV, but I had no problem making the exchange.

DVI and 1394 and component are all active concurrently on my 6200.

what is a d-vhs deck? and is the 6200 a dvr?

D-VHS is a digital VCR. Look at the JVC web site. The 6200 has the funtions of a 5100 with added 1394. The DVRs coming from Comcast are the 6208 and the 6408. The 6208 has one tuner and is out in some markets and the 6408 has two tuners (watch one progam while recording another) and will be in some markets mid-summer.

The 6200 and the DVHS both use the 4 pin firewire connection, correct?

The 6200 has two standard 6-pin ports. Not sure if it supplies power.

can a PC be the VCR?


i know theres got to be a catch... the copy protection or something

mitch

I seem to have an intermittent problem receiving all HD channels, and a few others, Most of the digital HBO's, Most of the didgital Showtimes, and even the analog HBO and Showtime don't come in on the 5100. I'm in the West Chester,PA area using a Motorola 5100.

The analog HBO and Showtime come in fine on all my other sources.

The symptom is, either no picture whatsoever, with a "this channel available shortly" message, or sometimes severe pixilization, half the screen filled in, etc.

Sometimes a few of stations will be completely unavailable, and some will be somewhat visible, just with freezing, pixilization, etc.

These problems seem to come and go. My guess based on the variations between channels, and the overall intermittent nature is that it is some sort of a signal strength issue.

I remember somewhere on the forum, a method or menu to check the signal strength. I checked Miatasm's FAQ, and it doesn't seem to be there. I tried a couple of searches to no avail.

I called Comcast during an outage, they did some sort of remote test and said my signal strength was fine.

Today a tech came out, checked my signal strenght and said it was fine. He swapped out the 5100 for a new one (no 6200) and the problem stayed the same. He also changed the feed cable inside th house. He thinks there is something wrong in the underground cable feeding the house. Tomorrow he is coming back and is going to run a temporary cable from the curb to the 5100. I'm not a cable tech, but that seems like a long shot. My cable modem runs off the same feed and I get 3 MB/sec from it, and other than the few channels I described, the rest including some of the "regular" digital tier channels look great.

I wonder, though if due to the intermittant nature of the problem, what happens if the channels come in during the test for some other reason? Then my lawn will get torn up to run a new underground cable for nothing?

My worst fear is that I won't find the problem, and not have HD for my Super Bowl party on Sunday.

Any thoughts appreciated.

JT

JT-

I had the same symptoms and had a phone call and a "truck roll" to diagnose. my box was bad. My local office is open on Sturday. I'd swap it out to be sure.

DVI (7.07) is activated in K of P.

I checked mine in Lansdale and DVI is active. My TV has a DVI input but I don't have a DVI cable yet. Is there that much of a difference between component video and DVI on HD?

Originally posted by crickbob
I checked mine in Lansdale and DVI is active. My TV has a DVI input but I don't have a DVI cable yet. Is there that much of a difference between component video and DVI on HD?

crickbob,

I'm pretty sure that the improvement in Picture Quality) depends on the monitor. From what (littlt) I know, LCD's and DLP's SHOULD show more improvement than CRT's due tothem being digital displays.

What do you have?

David

I have a plasma which looks gorgeous with component video HD. That's why I'm wondering if it really makes that much difference. I guess it's not a big deal to buy the cable ($90) and try it but was curious if there is a technical reason.

Originally posted by crickbob
I have a plasma which looks gorgeous with component video HD. That's why I'm wondering if it really makes that much difference. I guess it's not a big deal to buy the cable ($90) and try it but was curious if there is a technical reason.

crickbob ,

Whatever you do, don't spend $95 on a DVI cable. There are places on the net that you can get a DVI cable that will do the same job for less than $20. As soon as I can confirm what I found, I'll post it here.

David

DVI enabled in Lansdale :D. Well I find the PQ for things like HBO, Showtime movies 'better' with my Panny plasma, etc. but the contrast/brigntness is way different. I have started a thread with details here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=3299883#post3299883) - be interesting to hear other peoples perceptions.

Cheers,
--Zig--

On my Fujitsu plasma the DVI is slightly better than component.

i use directv and ota to receive my hdtv. i also have the lowest subscription to comcast for the $13.50 basic package to keep the price on my cable modem lower.
is it possible to get a moto 6200 box from comcast and receive the hdtv locals that are "in the clear" on the system? or would i have to move to a much more expensive package?

Bill:
to my knowledge you need to add standard (~+$29) and rent the 6200 box (~+$6). thats what I have as I also haev oTA and Directv + the above. dont get digital (another $15) if you only want locals.

I assume this is a second HDTV if you already have OTA...

Originally posted by Bill N
i use directv and ota to receive my hdtv. i also have the lowest subscription to comcast for the $13.50 basic package to keep the price on my cable modem lower.
is it possible to get a moto 6200 box from comcast and receive the hdtv locals that are "in the clear" on the system? or would i have to move to a much more expensive package?

Since you already sub to Limited Basic, you just need to pay the monthly equipment rental to get the 6200 to receive local HD channels. You do not need to sub to Expanded Basic.

Here is a quote right off of Comcast's site about getting HD.

"Basic service subscription is required to receive HDTV and premium HDTV channel requires subscription to underlying premium channel. Call Comcast for details and restrictions."

http://www.comcast.com/Benefits/CableDetails/Slot4PageOne.asp

That being said, with basic you may not get ESPN HD or INHD channels. The premium channels refer to HBO, Showtime, Starz and others. You will get all the major networks in your area. I have the big 3, PBS and FOX, but no WB or UPN.

So it should be basic + about $6 a month and a one time $19 installation fee. Hope that helps.

Peter-
does your lower level package get you the comcast sportsnet hdtv games?
and since you're a doylestown guy like me i assume you just went to the comcast office in ivyland and picked up a box there.

Originally posted by Bill N
Peter-
does your lower level package get you the comcast sportsnet hdtv games?
and since you're a doylestown guy like me i assume you just went to the comcast office in ivyland and picked up a box there.

Hi Bill,

I'm not Barry, nor do I pretend to be. :), But I can answer the questions:

In order to get Comcast SportsNet HD, you mush have a Digital subscription.

Comcast requires their techs to do an HD install (includes component cable). In Bucks and MontCo, it's $18.25.

Hope this helps.

David

Hello All,

Sure do enjoy this thread. Great job to all. Currently have HD OTA using the DIRECTV Samsung SIR-TS160. Was wondering how much it would cost to get the bare bones Cable sub. so I can watch Comcast SN in HD. Also, what Cable box is best. Thanks in advance.

Did UPN 57 move their transmitter or something? Last night, I was getting a greatly reduced signal strength during Enterprise, and I had to re-point my Silver Sensor just to get a watchable signal.

It sounds like PAX 61-1 finally got their audio signal straightened out. I can't imagine why it took them so long.

Now if only there was something worth watching on PAX! (just kidding)

--Philly Tim

Ok, I love Comcast Sportsnet HD, but what is the deal with the camera randomly going blurry during the games? Watching the Flyers & Sixers back to back this past week was great, but I noticed it more than ever. Any ideas what the hell causes it?

I have a Misubishi 65909. The TV has a built in HD tuner. The Mistubishi web site specs show this tv to have a QAM tuner. I have Comcast basic cable. If I plug the comcast hat are the station numbers?

Originally posted by LarryGMarrow
I have a Misubishi 65909. The TV has a built in HD tuner. The Mistubishi web site specs show this tv to have a QAM tuner. I have Comcast basic cable. If I plug the comcast hat are the station numbers?

beginning at 79.01 thru 82 you get ABC, NBC, PBS, and CBS. FOX-ED is 118. You will get some other mostly SD "stuff" too.

Originally posted by Drew_N
Ok, I love Comcast Sportsnet HD, but what is the deal with the camera randomly going blurry during the games? Watching the Flyers & Sixers back to back this past week was great, but I noticed it more than ever. Any ideas what the hell causes it?

Camera man falling asleep or beer splatter on lens?

No it is not a camera issue. It has been discussed a lot (or often enough). The screen graphics (scores) get fuzzy too and when they replay the same angle it isn't fuzzy.

It is the exact same problem (or seems to be) as ABC had for the NBA finals last year. That was an encoder problem. The Phillies games this summer had no problem as well as last years Flyers/Sixers games (all of which looked a bit better last year too). Maybe they switched encoders (and still don't have it config'd right) or they messed up the configs of their old one.

I live ten miles outside Philly Can anybody recommend an outside OTA HD antenna? I am using D* and want to get the right antenna for the best reception when viewing local channels on HDTV.
Thanks.
Tim

Originally posted by timatraw
I live ten miles outside Philly Can anybody recommend an outside OTA HD antenna? I am using D* and want to get the right antenna for the best reception when viewing local channels on HDTV.
Thanks.
Tim

http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F003%5F001%5F002%5F000&product%5Fid=15%2D2160

Radio Shack sucks.

I use Radio Shack antenna mention above by Ratman. It gets most local excepts for 12-1 and 29-1. With the amplifier, I get all of the local channels.

I use this Radio Shack amplifier:
Antenna-Mounted Signal Amplifier model 15-1108.

I am about 30 miles away from the signal.

Are the Philadelphia ABC, NBC, and PBS television networks "VHF" channels or "UHF" channels? Can one receive these channels with a "UHF only" high gain antenna like the CM 4228?
Thanks.
Tim

Originally posted by timatraw
Radio Shack sucks.

Now there's a display of intelligence! :(

The antenna goes for $22. It's mounted in my attic and performs perfectly. I get ALL Philly digitals without dropouts. So, they can "suck" all they want!

As for your other question:
Are the Philadelphia ABC, NBC, and PBS television networks "VHF" channels or "UHF" channels?
For someone so informed, why don't you know?
FYI... currently all Philly digitals are UHF.

Can one receive these channels with a "UHF only" high gain antenna like the CM 4228?
Well... if it works with a 'sucky' Radio Shack antenna, why wouldn't it work with the CM4228?
FYI... Before I settled on the R/S Yagi, I also tried the 4228. It worked the same as the R/S....... at half the price and size.

Sorry... didnt mena to offend anyone. Just had some bad experiences with Rs.

I live in Medford, NJ and use the RCA ANT1250 and pick everything up perfect, no dropouts at all. When I installed it last week I was very surprised! They have them at your local Walmart for around $28.

Is there anyone in the Lehigh Valley picking up ALL of the Philly channels (including UPN 57) with an OTA antenna? If so, please provide the type of antenna, how it's mounted, and where you are located in the area. I've got a Channel Master UHF antenna, and have been considering getting a bow tie, which I've been told will work better. BTW, I'm using a Dish Network 6000 received with 8VSB module.

Originally posted by Randy Boecker
Is there anyone in the Lehigh Valley picking up ALL of the Philly channels (including UPN 57) with an OTA antenna? If so, please provide the type of antenna, how it's mounted, and where you are located in the area. I've got a Channel Master UHF antenna, and have been considering getting a bow tie, which I've been told will work better. BTW, I'm using a Dish Network 6000 received with 8VSB module.
Great resource: www.antennaweb.org
You supply your address and zip, the site tells you what antenna type you need to pick up the distant stations you want to view.

I just saw this on phillynews.com

phillynews.com - NBA-TV finally may come to Philadelphia (http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/sports/basketball/7955413.htm)

Posted on Sun, Feb. 15, 2004
NBA-TV finally may come to Philadelphia

By Joe Juliano

Inquirer Staff Writer


The NBA was the first of the nation's major professional sports leagues to have its own network. NBA-TV carries features, news and four live games per week to more than 40 million homes, but not to cable subscribers in the Philadelphia area.

NBA commissioner David Stern hopes to change that. The league and Comcast, the Philadelphia-based cable television company, are in the final stages of negotiations that could lead to NBA-TV going to an additional 20 million homes, including ones in the Philadelphia market.

Question: When will NBA-TV come to Philadelphia?

A: We hope to conclude our talks with Comcast soon. We're doing it just for our fans in Philadelphia. We're making inordinate concessions to our friends at Comcast just to give our Philadelphia fans the opportunity to see NBA-TV and high definition. We are carrying games in high-def, and as soon as NBA-TV comes to Comcast, our fans will be able to see the games in high definition, together with the other rich program offerings NBA-TV has.

Q: We wouldn't know about that in Philadelphia.

A.That's right. That's why we're concerned. We're working as hard as we possibly can to enable our Comcast subscribers to have the widest possible array of programming.

Q: How would you classify the state of negotiations now with Comcast?

A: If we're at the All-Star Game and we don't have a deal, I think we'll both be very disappointed. We're very much on target to complete it before then. It's just very complex, and a lot of man-hours are being devoted to it on both sides.

A: If we're at the All-Star Game and we don't have a deal, I think we'll both be very disappointed. We're very much on target to complete it before then. It's just very complex, and a lot of man-hours are being devoted to it on both sides.




uh-oh!

Lot of wasted hours so far since there is still no results. ;)

Lets hope for a resolution soon enough.

Just received my Sony 50-Inch GWIII Friday. I have the DirecTV HTL-HD box. I'm picking up my OTA signals via DirecTV. Here's my question:

When viewing SD in 4:3 ratio everything looks fine. I have black bars on the right and left. For some reason on Fox 29, I have them on the sides and on the left and right. Can someone explain why that is?

Don't have the same setup but what's the diff between "sides" and "right & left"? Is this problem ONLY with Fox?? As far as I know Fox broadcasts their 4:3 content the same way CBS/ABC/NBC do it (which is the "wrong" way) by sending a 16:9 picture with embedded black bars on the sides (as opposed to using a second transcoder, i.e. the "right" way, and sending an actual 4:3 picture and letting the end user's hardware format it as appropriate. PBS is the only broadcaster in Philly doing this as far as I know (possibly UPN and WB do this also, I can't remember).

wow....what a difference 5 feet makes.

i used to get ABC and CBS solid OTA but nothing else consistently. when replacing my rotor i took a gamble on replacing the 5 foot antenna mast with a 10 foot one.

it's incredible....i now get every channel including the ever elusive NBC. even stuff like PAX and two spanish stations. i went from not even being able to find the stations on a scan to rock solid signal with no dropouts without even touching the rotor.

a huge vote here for raising your antenna to solve reception problems.

Just curious -- where did you find/buy the 10 foot mast? I get fantastic reception with the exception of PBS digital. If its cheap enough and I'm in a tinkering mood I might try raising my antenna like you did.

Edited so that it reads correctly - sorry about the mistake.
____________________________________________________________


Just received my Sony 50-Inch GWIII Friday. I have the DirecTV HTL-HD box. I'm picking up my OTA signals via DirecTV. Here's my question:

When viewing SD in 4:3 ratio everything looks fine. I have black bars on the right and left. For some reason on Fox 29, I have them on the top and bottom and on the left and right. The picture kinda looks like a postage stamp. Can someone explain why that is?

the ten foot mast was 15 bucks at radio shack.....worth many times that for me.

Is there anyone in the Lehigh Valley picking up ALL of the Philly channels (including UPN 57) with an OTA antenna? If so, please provide the type of antenna, how it's mounted, and where you are located in the area. I've got a Channel Master UHF antenna, and have been considering getting a bow tie, which I've been told will work better. BTW, I'm using a Dish Network 6000 received with 8VSB module.

Hi, I am using a Channel Master 4228 with amp. The channels i can receive are CBS 3-1 95% signal, ABC 6-1 90% signal, NBC 10-160-70% signal depending on the temperature 12-1,40% signal not very reliable though. Also 17-1 80% signal 29-1 60 - 70% depending on temperature, 35-1 60% signal, 39-1 through -4 80% signal 46-1,46-2,46-3 85% signal, 57-1 60% signal. I am located about 2 miles north of RT 309 and 22/78 next to the PA turnpike NE extension. I haver the antenna mounted about 20 feet high with no rotor.

Hi, I am using a Channel Master 4228 with amp. The channels i can receive are CBS 3-1 95% signal, ABC 6-1 90% signal, NBC 10-160-70% signal depending on the temperature 12-1,40% signal not very reliable though. Also 17-1 80% signal 29-1 60 - 70% depending on temperature, 35-1 60% signal, 39-1 through -4 80% signal 46-1,46-2,46-3 85% signal, 57-1 60% signal. I am located about 2 miles north of RT 309 and 22/78 next to the PA turnpike NE extension. I haver the antenna mounted about 20 feet high with no rotor.

What kind of amp are you using? I currently have a CM775 but am thinking of going with a CM777. I'm located off Freemansburg and Rt. 33 (new extension) and your signal strength is much higher than mine. What kind of receiver are you using? PM if necessary to take off the board. The discussion has drifted to Comcast cable, which doesn't apply to many of us.

ok, so why is upn 57 zooming the image ?

I'm having problems with KYW-3 this morning. Channel 3 is breaking up. I'm receiving KYW OTA. Anyone else having this problem?

Does anyone know when Cocmast is going to get Discovery's HD shows? I paid a lot for this set and I'm sick o fwatching sports just to see the good picture.

INHD and INHD2 Have some GREAT nature/history shows that look better than anything else on our Cablebox...

Also WHYY has great programming also...

I've seen:

Nature
History
Movies
Concerts... etc... on Comcast's lineup on these channels... and I rarely watch sports. So, it's out there, you just have to look for it.

As a caveat to this, however... I was wondering when we'll be getting...

UPN HD
WB HD
Bravo HD
Discovery HD, also.

Originally posted by Ratman
The antenna goes for $22. It's mounted in my attic and performs perfectly. I get ALL Philly digitals without dropouts.

Excuse my ignorance on this topic, but I haven't dealt with an antenna for a long, long, time. I'm about the same distance you are but in a different direction. Does being in the attic not have a big effect on reception?

Originally posted by whotony
ok, so why is upn 57 zooming the image ?


i know i'm not the onlyone who is annoyed by this.

i dont get why they are zoomimg this now seemingly right out of the blue.

who has contact info for the right people?
i want to very much find out why it's zoomed.

Hi,

Is anyone receiving CBS HD and WHYY HD on Comcast in the Norristown area? Where I am, both these channels show "This channel should be available shortly" in the picture area, although the guide info is correct.

They have been this way since last night.

Thanks.

blackngold75;

I see you are in my general area. If you wind up getting an attic antenae, I'd love to hear how that works out for .

blackngold75;

I see you are in my general area. If you wind up getting an attic antenae, I'd love to hear how that works out for you .

Originally posted by Omen
Hi,

Is anyone receiving CBS HD and WHYY HD on Comcast in the Norristown area? Where I am, both these channels show "This channel should be available shortly" in the picture area, although the guide info is correct.

They have been this way since last night.

Hello Omen,
I'm in Blue Bell, 182 (CBS) and 190 (WHYY) are perfect here, no problems that I know of. I would call Comcast if I were you.

I do remember CBS being off for most of Survivor on Thursday (my wife watches it).

Originally posted by bbcheme86
Hello Omen,
I'm in Blue Bell, 182 (CBS) and 190 (WHYY) are perfect here, no problems that I know of. I would call Comcast if I were you.

I do remember CBS being off for most of Survivor on Thursday (my wife watches it).

Hi bbcheme86,

Thanks for the reply. I checked again this morning and CBS and WHYY were still off the air. I called Comcast, but they didn't know why I wasn't receiving them (they sent a command to my box, but it didn't do anything). I unplugged my DCT5100 box twice to reset it, but it didn't make any difference. So, I scheduled a service appointment with them. Hopefully they'll find the problem.

Thanks again.

Hi Omen,

Check your PM.

THANKS!

David

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Originally posted by whotony
ok, so why is upn 57 zooming the image ?
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Originally posted by whotony
i know i'm not the onlyone who is annoyed by this.

i dont get why they are zoomimg this now seemingly right out of the blue.

who has contact info for the right people?
i want to very much find out why it's zoomed.
i guess i'm the only one who cares.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=1701361#post1701361

anyway that is post #365, from jan 2003.
it is an email to upn 57 asking why they are zooming.
so it happened 1 year ago and after several emails apparently the put it back to standard no cropping.

so please email to upn57@wpsg.com and ask them to stop the crop.

Guess I haven't been watching enough UPN to notice. Although interestingly I noticed this problem TODAY (BEFORE reading your post) and thought, "hmmm, that's annoying". The wife is going to be on People's Court March 2nd, hope they have the problem fixed by then!!!

:)

Originally posted by Carl Jones
blackngold75;

I see you are in my general area. If you wind up getting an attic antenae, I'd love to hear how that works out for you .

I will update if I go that route. Still trying to decide what to do - either keeping my dish and getting an OTA, or going to dump it and go to cable. CC really wants to get customers from satellite - offering incentives. 'Course, there's that $99 D* deal, too. Too many choices - all I want is some HD channels!

Originally posted by blackngold75
I will update if I go that route. Still trying to decide what to do - either keeping my dish and getting an OTA, or going to dump it and go to cable. CC really wants to get customers from satellite - offering incentives. 'Course, there's that $99 D* deal, too. Too many choices - all I want is some HD channels!

I would try anything that includes OTA personally. First, comcast doesn't offer all of the local channels (last I checked). But second, and I could be totally off my rocker here, but I think a lot of people are slowly going to do what I have done, and realize that OTA alone is "good enough" and forever kiss that $40/month or more (MUCH more for many people) cable/satellite bill goodbye. I've been OTA only for over a year now and must say I don't miss D* at all. If you know for a fact that you could NEVER EVER live with only OTA (CBS/ABC/NBC/FOX/UPN/WB/PBS) and you don't mind rate hikes every year, then going with Comcast is certainly the easiest choice (low initial cost, no monkeying on the roof or paying an installer).

The game on CSN-HD looks fuzzy. Anybody else see the same issue?

Originally posted by jsb_hburg
The game on CSN-HD looks fuzzy. Anybody else see the same issue? yep.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3071295&highlight=fuzzy#post3071295

somethings going on.

TraderGordo:

Yeah, even my wife was saying "didn't it used to be easier when we were little and we only had an antenna on the roof?" I think OTA only could be a viable option at some point - but I'll probably do OTA and D*TV for now - I would miss NFL Sunday Ticket. I did hate the almost continual rate hikes from cable - my satellite bill has been the same for a couple of years. As I think about it, TV is supposed to be free - and hi def!:rolleyes:

Originally posted by blackngold75
TraderGordo:

Yeah, even my wife was saying "didn't it used to be easier when we were little and we only had an antenna on the roof?" I think OTA only could be a viable option at some point - but I'll probably do OTA and D*TV for now - I would miss NFL Sunday Ticket. I did hate the almost continual rate hikes from cable - my satellite bill has been the same for a couple of years. As I think about it, TV is supposed to be free - and hi def!:rolleyes:

Most of my friends think I'm crazy when I tell them I don't have cable or satellite. Even crazier still because I have a very expensive home theater. None of them complained when we watched the superbowl in high definition projected onto a 9 foot screen :) The fact is, for me anyway, the extra channels from cable/sat are just a waste of my time and money (lets face it, your kids aren't benefiting by being raised on MTV either). All the big popular shows are on the FREE broadcast networks (OTA). During football season you get 4-5 NFL games a week on CBS/FOX/ABC, only the displaced fan (doesn't live in the region of the team they like most) or the total football diehard who must watch every game really benefit from NFL ticket -- although there are many in that category, I think that's a pretty niche group. D* raised my rates 3 times in 3 years, AND took away channels (including HDNet) from me, that's when I gave them the boot (cable even worse!). If you read D* latest corporate filings you will find that they plan to raise rates another 10% this year. That trend will probably continue forever. In the meantime MOST of America is TOTALLY ignorant of the fact that crystal clear digital and high def programing with DD 5.1 sound is being broadcast free of charge to most of the country's population (Philly has been tops).


And the premium channels are also a waste, who needs lame older movies? You are going to rent movies anyway -- which is where you get the most "bang" from your home theater.

This may come accross as a dumb question, but I've been watching HD OTA for about a year now, and just recently got a AV receiver looking forward to listening to 5.1 sound for the first time. The problem is I cannot receive Dolby 5.1 on any show on any channel.

Do shows broadcast in Dolby 5.1, which ones do (if any)?

I see references made to 5.1 on the board, so I take it shows are being broadcast in 5.1. My Panasonic DST-52 STB is connected to my receiver with an optical connection .. but I only get 2 channel digital signal on every channel for every show except channel 6-3 which I get one channel of digital. If I connect the same cable to my DVD, dolby digital 5.1 comes through fine, so I don't think the cable is the problem. Any help on the matter would be greatly appreciated.

my equipment
Zenith Indoor HD Antenna
Panasonic DST-52 STB
Harmon/Kardon AVR 330

I'm about 25-30 miles from the broadcast tower, but manage to receive every channel (except the two PBS channels, which are 50/50). I use a pre-amp.

Thanks,
Paul

I believe ABC is the only broadcast station that transmits 5.1 right now.

Paul;

This is Dolby's web site listing those who broadcast 5.1

http://www.dolby.com/ht/pa.in.dtv5.1list.html

Thanks, I got 5.1 to work - on primetime ABC.

CBS KYW 3 broadcasted the Grammy's and the Superbowl in Dolby 5.1.

I'm hoping someone can help me. I have Directv and OTA through the Hughes E-86 receiver, a SilverSensor antenna, and an RCA DLP TV. I am having two problems which I think are unrelated.

1. While watching OTA I get frequent picture freezes and/or sound breakup, even though the signal meter on the receiver holds steady at 100%. When I have the problem (which is again very frequent, but not all of the time), I switch to the signal meter and can watch it stay at 100% for as long as I can bear to hear the high pitch sound.

I live in Chalfont, PA and am in one of the highest points in the Philly area. I'm less than 20 miles away from the towers, and I receive very high signal strength on both analog and digital. Can anyone in the Philly area shed some light?

2. CBS HDTV East feed on channel 80 of Directv: many times the sound just goes off. If I tune to other channels on the receiver the sound is fine. It comes back on usually, but I don't know if this a problem with my receiver, the Directv transmission, or the station in NY. Again, anyone have any ideas?

Your help will be greatly appreciated!!

Greetings all:

Does anybody know how I can find someone 'qualified/experienced' to install a rooftop antenna for me on a 2 story house in West Chester. I'm thinking something along the lines of a Channel Master 4228.

I would be grateful for any info. not much in the yellow pages or Google search. Thanks.

Techtoy-- are you using a signal amp? If so, try removing it. Are there any large objects or buildings close by? Could be a multi-path issue...

To the guy looking for an antenna installer -- try looking for aurthorized Dish Network installers (or the newer Voom service) -- both advertise OTA antenna installations.

Originally posted by techtoyman
I'm hoping someone can help me. I have Directv and OTA through the Hughes E-86 receiver, a SilverSensor antenna, and an RCA DLP TV. I am having two problems which I think are unrelated.

1. While watching OTA I get frequent picture freezes and/or sound breakup, even though the signal meter on the receiver holds steady at 100%. When I have the problem (which is again very frequent, but not all of the time), I switch to the signal meter and can watch it stay at 100% for as long as I can bear to hear the high pitch sound.

I live in Chalfont, PA and am in one of the highest points in the Philly area. I'm less than 20 miles away from the towers, and I receive very high signal strength on both analog and digital. Can anyone in the Philly area shed some light?

2. CBS HDTV East feed on channel 80 of Directv: many times the sound just goes off. If I tune to other channels on the receiver the sound is fine. It comes back on usually, but I don't know if this a problem with my receiver, the Directv transmission, or the station in NY. Again, anyone have any ideas?

Your help will be greatly appreciated!!

Caught the first period of the Flyers tonight... last night... 3/5.

I noticed absolutely no "fuzzy" problems, and in fact the PQ looked as good as it used to all together (sharpness).

Did anyone watch the entire game and am I right?

Got my HD box from Comcast friday morning, just so I could watch the Flyers in HD (and its time for the Sopranos again). Watched the whole game... and what a GREAT game it was... no "fuzzy" problems.

You can't beat watching Brashear bloody Rob Ray in full on High-Def glory! New NHL record for penalities in a game. It was old-time hockey. Even the goalies were brawling. It was in HD with 5.1 surround sound. It was FANTASTIC.

I have the digital-HBO-HDTV package... ~ $70. GREAT deal, well worth it. I'm paying about the same (was paying $40+ for cable, $20 for Netflix, $400 Zenith OTA box), and get more HD programming, and the cable box is great. Even the "normal" family members can use it!!!

Anybody need a Zenith HDV-420 in perfect working condition???

Anyone have a problem with channel mapping with KYW? I can't get 3-1... only 26-1.

DaveInBerlinNJ,
The only way that you possibly could beat Brashear beating up Ray in high def is to actually be there in person which I actually was. It was only the second Flyers game that I have witnessed live since they left the Spectrum. What a game to choose. I am still fired up.

I am ready to embark on the HDTV journey by purchasing a HDTV. Now I need to decide if I go OTA only, D* or E*, or continue with cable and get the HD package. Of course I guess the only way I can get most of the Flyers/Sixers/Phillies game in HD is to pay the additional $ and go the cable option for ComcastHD (through Blue Ridge Cable - in Ephrata PA). I have a hard time justifying $65 a month though. You mentioned 5.1 sound, can you notice a big difference in sound as well or mainly just PQ for sports?

Also does anyone know how many of the upcoming Phillies games will be broadcast in HD? I am assuming that games on UPN57 are not broadcast in HD right?

To the people looking for antenna installers -- or really to anyone that wants an antenna. There is a new way to get one professionally installed that will actually be cheaper than doing it yourself (not to mention saving you a lot of time, frusteration, and risking your life :) )

VOOM has a brand new deal (search the forum if you want more info, VOOM is the newest satellite company focused on High Def). You used to have to pay $750 for the initial hardware, but now they let you lease it for just $9.50/mo and I believe the cheapest monthly service package is $39/month. The neat thing is that their professional installation includes an Over-The-Air (OTA) antenna installation for local channels, and even better, they have absolutely no commitment requirement when you sign up (this is probably going to change in the future?). That means for less than $50 you can now have an antenna professionally installed (the hardware alone will cost you about that much if you do it yourself). If you don't like, or don't need, VOOM satellite service, just cancel it.

Once again, for those that aren't aware, the Philly area is one of the best in the nation for OTA free digital & high def coverage. We have CBS/ABC/NBC/FOX/PBS/UPN57/WB17 so you can get a ton of high def programing with an antenna.

Gordo,

Not sure, but if you cancel VOOM, since the equipment is their's, they will probably take their dish, and their antenna.

David

I was making the assumption that it would cost them more to pay an installer to come out, climb around on a roof, and remove the antenna, than they were worth, and that you would only have to send back the receiver. But that's a great point, I would definitely ask first.

Either way, there is little chance that Voom is going to survive. They will probably not exist a year from now, some think 2. Your antenna on the other hand, will last 30 or 40 years (at least until the coax needs replaced) :)

pelly,

Looks like 52 Phillies home games on CSN this year. Don't know about UPN. They weren't HD last year. I haven't heard they changed this.

And yes, the 5.1 makes a difference in the Flyers game... the distinct ping of the puck glancing off of the post... the crushing checks. Yeah, it's good.

I prolly shoulda looked a little harder at VOOM. Last time I checked, it was expensive, limited, and seemed somewhat unreliable (install and money-back-policy issues). Price and programming have definitely improved. I already had extremely solid OTA reception. hmmm. Could get some soccer games too.

My plan all along was to switch back to cable once the Sopranos returned... figuring Comcast would have the HDTV bugs worked out by then (and they have).

Flyers/Phillies would have likely tipped it to Comcast for me in the end anyway.



Anyone using VOOM...

is the box easy to use / navigate?

My WAF has gone way up with cable HD, as she doesn't have to fiddle with changing the TV inputs for SD cable - HD STB - DVD, then turning on/off the various bits of gear. Now she presses "all on" and the cable box and TV both come on... all she has to do is change channels. HDTV, when shown, is now "automatic".

Hi All,

For all of us in the WPHL viewing area, Comcast will start broadcasting WB 17 in HD starting 6/1/04.

ENJOY!

David

That's Great News David.....thank you.

Comcast is slowing in getting their act together......hopefully they will continue to add more HD stations.

June... just in time for re-run season.

That's cool. Just UPN left for locals then. Not that I watch either of them (though a digital channel for Sixers/Flyers/Phillies games would be nice), but I'm sure there are plenty of people who will like this.

Btw, Sixers game tonight was still plagued by that stupid "fuzzy" issue. I think they need a new score display too. I think the Wizards games use the same thing the Flyers/Phillies use. The Sixers display looks so bland and instrusive. Like a black hole in the screen.

Now we really need Comcast to mirror Starz and Max HD channels near the other friggin HD channels. Annoying to have to jump around all the time.

Originally posted by drhill
Now we really need Comcast to mirror Starz and Max HD channels near the other friggin HD channels. Annoying to have to jump around all the time.
Drhill,

The way I got around that is by setting the HD Channels as "Favorites" on my Comcast remote. Then, I turn everything on, and cycly through my "Favorites", which is just the HD channels. Works like a champ.

David

Hmm... I like that. I've never used favorites in all the years I've had digital cable.

Does that work for the fullscreen guide too?

Nevertheless, I've been wondering why Comcast has not done anything with channel 176-177.

It would seem to be a good fit for Starz and Max since they would be next to HBO and Showtime. Unless they are saving those slots for whenever they eventually get HDNet/Movies to compliment INHD1/2.

I wish they would reorder all the HD channels to something that matches their normal lineup (abc,cbs,nbs, fox are low and next sports channels then movie channels are the high ones).

Hey,

I'm in Collegeville and have Comcast. I lost InHD2 a few weeks ago. I figured it coincided with the return of Sportsnet to channel 172. However, I haven't noticed any posts lamenting its disappearance and I figured I would. Has anyone else lost InHD2 (channel 175) or should I call customer service? Thanks.

--Tom

Call service. I have INHD2 on channel 175.

Call service. I have it also.

Does anyone know the power status of all the stations broadcasting from the now not so new towers? last I heard fox was moving to another tower and going to be a full power by last fall, what about UPN, WB, ABC and NBC. I'm asking becasue I should be able to pull these stations in from my location Long Valley, NJ. I receive CBS at 80% and that's about it everything else is inconsistent.

Thank you.

I subscribe to DirecTV and receive Total Choice Plus. Doesn't this package include one regional sports network? I live in the Philly area and Comcast will not allow D* to have Comcast Sports Net. Shouldn't I get one of the others though? Can I pick? I would love to get FSN Pittsburgh. Anyone know how this works what I should or could get? D* CSR is clueless.

Originally posted by baeverly
I subscribe to DirecTV and receive Total Choice Plus. Doesn't this package include one regional sports network? I live in the Philly area and Comcast will not allow D* to have Comcast Sports Net. Shouldn't I get one of the others though? Can I pick? I would love to get FSN Pittsburgh. Anyone know how this works what I should or could get? D* CSR is clueless.

Go to this website: http://directv.fxep.com/wantfindout.htm

Plug in your zip code, and you will get the RSN for your area.

In my area, I get YES/MSG and Fox Sports NY.

Originally posted by baeverly
I subscribe to DirecTV and receive Total Choice Plus. Doesn't this package include one regional sports network? I live in the Philly area and Comcast will not allow D* to have Comcast Sports Net. Shouldn't I get one of the others though? Can I pick? I would love to get FSN Pittsburgh. Anyone know how this works what I should or could get? D* CSR is clueless.

My Guess from when I was a D* sub is that CNS-Philly IS your RSN. Since CSN-Philly is not carried, wnless it changed, you will NOT get a RSN. Interestingly, I had a friend in a similar situation, she's a Sixers fan (not sure why). They told her that they could get her CSN- but it's NOT CSN Philly. Not sure whether she actually got CSN-Mid-Atlantic, or they tried to sign her up for the NBA League Pass. IF she got the NBA League Pass - the Sixers Games would have been blacked out. That I know, because I had the NHL Season Ticket - and although I'm a big hockey fan, I missed the Flyers. Now, COMCAST has the NHL Season Ticket, so, it's not an issue.

Good luck.

David

Originally posted by Signalseeker
Does anyone know the power status of all the stations broadcasting from the now not so new towers? last I heard fox was moving to another tower and going to be a full power by last fall, what about UPN, WB, ABC and NBC. I'm asking becasue I should be able to pull these stations in from my location Long Valley, NJ. I receive CBS at 80% and that's about it everything else is inconsistent.

Thank you.

I also would like to know, if possible. I was assuming that the move did not occur yet, based on my inability to reach these stations

Originally posted by gjohnsen2002
I also would like to know, if possible. I was assuming that the move did not occur yet, based on my inability to reach these stations

It would appear all Philly DT stations except FOX are at full power (or at least full power for the foreseeable future).

Originally posted by pabuwal
It would appear all Philly DT stations except FOX are at full power (or at least full power for the foreseeable future).

Did I miss something regarding NBC bumping up their power? Are they up to 1 megawatt now? I recall hearing that some folks were getting WCAU when otherwise was a pipe dream. Can anyone cofirm this? :confused:

Originally posted by Calabs
Did I miss something regarding NBC bumping up their power? Are they up to 1 megawatt now? I recall hearing that some folks were getting WCAU when otherwise was a pipe dream. Can anyone cofirm this? :confused:

I *think* I was able to pick up WCAU a month or so ago on one of my CM4228's when I rotated back towards Philly......but since the WB and UPN don't *really* have anything noteworthy (at least in MY house) on in HD, I stay fixed on NYC.

I'll get around to checking into it one of these days.........:p

It's another world in comparison to last year when I realize how far the whole HD environment in the Philly/NYC corridor has improved in the last 12 months :cool:

I checked NBC 10 and I am now getting it at 95%, even goes to 100 sometimes. It comes in identical to CBS KYW-DT3.1. NBC-DT prior was anywhere from 0 - 66 at most.

Originally posted by pelly
DaveInBerlinNJ,


Also does anyone know how many of the upcoming Phillies games will be broadcast in HD? I am assuming that games on UPN57 are not broadcast in HD right?

i sent an email to them asking this question.

-----Original Message-----
From: Who.com
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 11:50 PM
To: Askcsn
Subject: phiilies in hd ?


i was wondering what % of the phills home games will be hd this season.
i looked but did not see any schedule.

answer:

Thank you for your interest in Comcast SportsNet. Upon the completion of an upgrade at Citizens Bank Park, all Phillies home games will be broadcast in HD.

Thank you.

Comcast SportsNet - Every Day is Game Day!

Originally posted by tarche
Hey,

I'm in Collegeville and have Comcast. I lost InHD2 a few weeks ago. I figured it coincided with the return of Sportsnet to channel 172. However, ....

--Tom

does this mean csn is now back on 172 or is it still just during hd broadcasts?

Originally posted by whotony
does this mean csn is now back on 172 or is it still just during hd broadcasts?

As of March 1, it's back full-time on Ch 172. Still not EVERTHING there is in HD, but it looks lika all home games that CSN will broadcast, will be in HD.

ENJOY!

David

THe Flyers-Stars game looks very good tonight. Better picture and sound than normal. CSN will have HD doubleheaders on 4/3 and 4/12. The Phillies and Sixers. Not bad. Too bad I will be way for the first one!

THe Flyers-Stars game looks very good tonight. Better picture and sound than normal. CSN will have HD doubleheaders on 4/3 and 4/12. The Phillies and Sixers. Not bad. Too bad I will be way for the first one!

Originally posted by Calabs
Did I miss something regarding NBC bumping up their power? Are they up to 1 megawatt now? I recall hearing that some folks were getting WCAU when otherwise was a pipe dream. Can anyone cofirm this? :confused:

It's been at full power for over 2 months now!

Yeah looked pretty good. I did notice some very light "fuzz". I imagine hockey is much easier to encode then basketball so this might be why PQ is always better for flyers games.

Double headers sounds sweet.

Does comcast plan to ever show game replays in HD? Usually late nights, but yesterday they showed a replay of the Flyers/Senator game from the previous Friday (which was in HD).

Originally posted by pabuwal
It's been at full power for over 2 months now!

Thanks for the confirmation, pabuwal. I may turn the old antenna back to Philly then. My daughter watches a lot of WB stuff, and I can't get WPIX out of NYC due to their low power.

Decisions..........decisions. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by JWhip
THe Flyers-Stars game looks very good tonight. Better picture and sound than normal. CSN will have HD doubleheaders on 4/3 and 4/12. The Phillies and Sixers. Not bad. Too bad I will be way for the first one!

Is there an echo in here?! ;)

Originally posted by tarche
Hey,

I'm in Collegeville and have Comcast. I lost InHD2 a few weeks ago. I figured it coincided with the return of Sportsnet to channel 172. However, I haven't noticed any posts lamenting its disappearance and I figured I would. Has anyone else lost InHD2 (channel 175) or should I call customer service? Thanks.

--Tom

I have the same problem with INHD2. I called Comcast a few days ago and they said they were working on it. I just called back a few minutes ago and the CSR said that the channel was removed and no longer available. I told her it still existed in other areas and she told me I was wrong. I guess I'll keep calling every few days. Is there another number I should be calling other than 1-800-COMCAST?

-Eric

When you get an uninformed CSR, ask for a supervisor. Just because a CSR dosen't make a whole lot of money and spends a lot of time speaking to uniformed customers, it doesn't mean he/she can blow off customers who know what they're talking about.

INHD2 has not gone away at least as of the last time I looked which would have been in the last few days.

This past weekend I purchased a Samsung HLN467W tv, a Samsung T351 tuner, and a Zenith Silver Sensor antenna. I have the tuner and tv connected through a monster DVI cable. However, anytime I try to watch any OTA programming I get lots of pixelation, audio dropouts, and freezes (I have tried ABC, NBC, and CBS). Is this par for the course for Philadelphia OTA channels or could it be my equipment? I am in Drexel Hill. Is there a chance I need an amplifier? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

Edit - I checked the tuner and I get 7-8 bars in the signal strength menu.

Unless you can see the broadcast towers from your house/apartment I don't think any indoor antenna will cut it? Don't know. What's between the antenna and the tower? Large metal objects = bad. I assume you've tried pointing it in all kinds of different directions and placements in the room? Certain locations just can't get a good signal OTA period, and there isn't much that can be done about it.

Originally posted by EricMhdtv
I have the same problem with INHD2. I called Comcast a few days ago and they said they were working on it. I just called back a few minutes ago and the CSR said that the channel was removed and no longer available. I told her it still existed in other areas and she told me I was wrong. I guess I'll keep calling every few days. Is there another number I should be calling other than 1-800-COMCAST?

-Eric

ever get 175 back?

Originally posted by LifeIsABeach
This past weekend I purchased a Samsung HLN467W tv, a Samsung T351 tuner, and a Zenith Silver Sensor antenna. I have the tuner and tv connected through a monster DVI cable. However, anytime I try to watch any OTA programming I get lots of pixelation, audio dropouts, and freezes (I have tried ABC, NBC, and CBS). Is this par for the course for Philadelphia OTA channels or could it be my equipment? I am in Drexel Hill. Is there a chance I need an amplifier? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

Edit - I checked the tuner and I get 7-8 bars in the signal strength menu.

I'm guessing thats 7-8 bars out of 10... that should be good enough if its not fluctuating.

Could try:
component connection between tuner and TV.
roof mounted antenna.
return tuner and antenna, get Comcast cable.

FWIW, I had OUTSTANDING, rock solid OTA reception of Philly stations from Berlin NJ... using a Zenith HDV-420 tuner and a Silver Sensor. I'm ~25 miles away from the towers. I just switched to Comcast. HD Flyers, ESPN HD, INHD I and II, HBO HD, all Locals... at this point I'd recommend cable over OTA.

Originally posted by DaveInBerlinNJ
I'm guessing thats 7-8 bars out of 10... that should be good enough if its not fluctuating.

Could try:
component connection between tuner and TV.
roof mounted antenna.
return tuner and antenna, get Comcast cable.

FWIW, I had OUTSTANDING, rock solid OTA reception of Philly stations from Berlin NJ... using a Zenith HDV-420 tuner and a Silver Sensor. I'm ~25 miles away from the towers. I just switched to Comcast. HD Flyers, ESPN HD, INHD I and II, HBO HD, all Locals... at this point I'd recommend cable over OTA.

I will try the component connection tonight. Wish I could switch to Comcast cable. I live in an apartment complex that has their own fly-by-night cable company. Can't even get analog CSN. Think it might be time to move. Thanks!

FWIW, I had OUTSTANDING, rock solid OTA reception of Philly stations from Berlin NJ... using a Zenith HDV-420 tuner and a Silver Sensor. I'm ~25 miles away from the towers. I just switched to Comcast. HD Flyers, ESPN HD, INHD I and II, HBO HD, all Locals... at this point I'd recommend cable over OTA.

I have comcast HD, I was wondering if OTA was any different, for better or worse. I was thinking of getting an OTA/Antenna but if its no different it's not worth the expense.

Originally posted by Lauden
I have comcast HD, I was wondering if OTA was any different, for better or worse. I was thinking of getting an OTA/Antenna but if its no different it's not worth the expense.

Lauden,

I can't compare, as I only have Comcast. It would be helpful to know where you are calling from, bot in terms of quality, and quantity of OTA. Also, in addition to the antenna, you would have to purchase a receiver.

David

I have an antenna but can only get KYW, WPST and at times, WPVI. I notice no difference with the picture quality between cable and OTA. I would go with cable. less initial outlay and hassles and more selction with WB17 being added.

Originally posted by faceoff
Lauden,

I can't compare, as I only have Comcast. It would be helpful to know where you are calling from, bot in terms of quality, and quantity of OTA. Also, in addition to the antenna, you would have to purchase a receiver.

David


I'm in Swedesboro, NJ about 19 miles from the towers. Overall Comcast HD has been pretty good, I was just wondering if OTA corrected things like the 'sunburn faces' of NCIS etc. I realized I would also need a reciever so the cost outlay would be significant. In other words, if I can't improve the HD quality by going OTA I probably wouldn't.

Originally posted by LifeIsABeach
I will try the component connection tonight. Wish I could switch to Comcast cable. I live in an apartment complex that has their own fly-by-night cable company. Can't even get analog CSN. Think it might be time to move. Thanks!

Life,
Changing to component cables will probably not resolve your issues.

You shouldn't have reception issues from Drexel Hill... you're very close to the tower farm in Roxborough.

Since you are in an apartment complex using an indoor antenna and getting dropouts, my guess would be that you are probably not in an optimal position (line of sight).

Unless your aprtment 'faces' the x-mitters, you will probably suffer from multipath as well as possibly contending with the building structure itself.

Originally posted by Lauden
I was just wondering if OTA corrected things like the 'sunburn faces' of NCIS etc. I realized I would also need a reciever so the cost outlay would be significant. In other words, if I can't improve the HD quality by going OTA I probably wouldn't.

I watched NCIS on KYW - 3 OTA last night and the faces were "sunburned"

Originally posted by RayN
I watched NCIS on KYW - 3 OTA last night and the faces were "sunburned"

Oh it's red! Check out this thread.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=380170

No difference in PQ between OTA and cable HD. Cable is easier, with more HD programming. Would only get OTA if needed locals with satellite service.

I agree that components in place of DVI is not likely to help "lifeisabeach"... but I don't know what else he can do. If he truly can't get signal in Drexel Hill, he's buried by geography or structure or nature. He's right. Needs to MOVE!

I suppose once Comcast adds WB they only OTA local they won't have yet is UPN correct?

That is correct... and no HD content goes on Fox until fall.... though I noticed that "Cracking Up" is in widescreen.

I'm waiting for UPN, DiscoveryHD, BravoHD... I don't know what else is out there besides HDNet, which I don't know much about.

Well, if WB is coming to Comcast, then all I have to hope for is:

- UPN renews Enterprise
- Comcast pisks up the UPN HD Feed

HDNET/HDMovie would be an awesome addition also (and BravoHD etc )

I would expect UPN to be added in the fall.

Faceoff:

comment on Comcast adding UPN?

Sounds, good. I want UPN just for the fact I want a digital channel for Phillies/Sixers/Flyers games on that channel.

UPN is a very ugly analog channel for me.

HDNet would be lovely. :)

Originally posted by petersbar
Faceoff:

comment on Comcast adding UPN?

Barry,

Since I haven't heard anything, I would defer to JWhip on that on.

David

I noticed today that WHYY digital this evening has its new subchannel (12.2) simulcasting the analog Channel 12 broadcast. Although the subchannel no doubt sucks up some bandwidth from the 12.1 HD subchannel, the simulcast is actually a boon since the 12.2 simulcast is much better than the analog 12-0 signal received OTA.

--Philly Tim

Comcast was given the right by Viacom in their last deal to add UPN any time they want. As UPN has no HD programming other than Enterprise and given Comcast's bandwidth issues, they will not add it for just that. In the fall, UPN's HD offerings are expected to increase substantially. At that tike, Comcast should have freed up enough bandwidth to add it.

FYI

WHYY-DT55 - Mapped channel 12.2 has been activated to provide a 12x7 simulcast of the WHYY-TV12 analog programming to comply with FCC rules. Additional format adjustments are planned to improve channel 12.1 HD picture quality and to facilitate new SD programming services in the Spring/Summer, 2004.

Bill Weber, CTO, WHYY

Originally posted by Bill Weber
FYI

WHYY-DT55 - Mapped channel 12.2 has been activated to provide a 12x7 simulcast of the WHYY-TV12 analog programming to comply with FCC rules. Additional format adjustments are planned to improve channel 12.1 HD picture quality and to facilitate new SD programming services in the Spring/Summer, 2004.

Bill Weber, CTO, WHYY

We love it when fellas/ladies like you from the networks come an answer our questions. On behalf of everyone here, thank you!

Thanks, Bill!

Those of us on WHYY's excellent e-mail list received a message on December 1 giving a preview of details for the new channel configuration (pasted below).

Your plans are still a bit fuzzy, but of course we need to wait until full implementation later this year. I'm especially looking foward to seeing the "second choice (12.2) program schedule comprised of selected
encore WHYY productions, other content available to WHYY not currently
aired on TV12, unique new content."

Please extend our thanks to the entire WHYY team. I hope you will be willing to keep us posted on this forum as well when there is news that is ready for public release.

--Philly Tim

============= beginning of pasted text ==============

Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2003 12:45:28 -0500
Subject: December DTV Schedule
From: "Dianne Chenault"

Greetings:

Changes to the WHYY DTV Programming

PBS Distribution Services recently announced in February 2004, PBS will
launch the PBS HD feed. The feed of PBS currently being shown on WHYY
channel 12.1 has been a “test” laboratory feed containing HD content
clips (known as the HD Loop) along with some PBS and APT HD programs.

Starting in February, the channel will no longer contain “HD Loop”
material. Instead, it will be a service of complete programs along with
HD interstitials. (In fact, effective December 8, 2003 PBS will begin
replacing the HD Loop with complete programs. PBS is considering the time
between December 8 and February 1 as an unofficial test period.)

Coming Spring '04

12.1 will be a 24/7 simulcast of WHYY's Channel 12 programming.

Phase 2 of WHYY’s digital broadcast strategy currently under development
will offer a second choice (12.2) program schedule comprised of selected
encore WHYY productions, other content available to WHYY not currently
aired on TV12, unique new content and premium PBS delivered High
Definition programs during the primetime evening hours.

As our plans are finalized and we are ready to launch our new DTV service
(12.2) , we will keep our "DTV Viewer Community" up to date via email and
postings to our DTV Web Site.


========== end of pasted text ==============

Stupid ESPN. Second time this week we don't get HD Flyers on comcast.

I agree, why aren't there more HD broadcasts...?

Total agreement... its ridiculous. No Flyers on Comcast HD, I figure its all good, they'll be on ESPN HD. And they are. But it AIN'T HD. Lemme guess, incompatible systems.

It's annoying, not getting HD. Much worse is KNOWING the capability is there, just sitting there, and STILL not getting it.

UGH. Sorry, end of rant.

ESPN would have to have a HD truck in philly to do it, and they are not putting a priority on hockey right now. I wish they wouldn't pick up the Flyers game, because I won't watch ESPN if it isn't in HD. They are a joke when it comes to hockey.

The Vet implosion on Sunday is going to be covered by Comcast Sportsnet (They will have a camera at the Linc and maybe one at the Wachovia Center focused on the Vet). What are the chances that they'll be HD cameras. Wouldn't that be great.

Heh, that is a good question. I know it is early in the morning, when exactly is it (7 am?)?

Since the cameras being used will mostly be unmaned due to safety concerns, I seriously doubt that any HD cameras will be used.

Originally posted by JWhip
Since the cameras being used will mostly be unmaned due to safety concerns, I seriously doubt that any HD cameras will be used.

I gotta agree that it will NOT be HD. But, I just found out, if you miss it - it will be available On-Demand!

ENJOY!

David

confirming 7 am Sunday as time, most on air at 6:30...

time on Comcast SN, Faceoff?

Originally posted by petersbar
confirming 7 am Sunday as time, most on air at 6:30...

time on Comcast SN, Faceoff?

Barry,

Whenever I get up (couldn't resist). . . . . :)

They are talking an hour, so, figure a 29-minute pre-implosion show, 2 minutes (about) for the actual implosion, and another 29 minutes for the post-implosion analysis, the implosion MVP, and the inevitable, how this implosion compared to the other stadium implosions. (It was a rough day at the office)

Takes tongue out of cheek - my guess is, like everyone else, at 6:30. It will be fun to watch OnDemand - Fast forward, rewind, and remember the "Good old days of the Vet".

Hopefully, I won't get booted, maybe we could start listing our best/worst Vet memories. . .

Boy, that makes me FEEL old.

"Enjoy!"

David

My personal best "live" experience - 93' Game 1 vs. Braves, Schilling strikes out the first 5, the place was going crazy.

Originally posted by pelly
My personal best "live" experience - 93' Game 1 vs. Braves, Schilling strikes out the first 5, the place was going crazy.

OK - ground rule #1 - it HAS TO be live. My problem is that I'm having problems sifting it down to one . . . .

David

Am I the only one that's been having problems with ABC's multicasting?

ABC is now routinely broadcasting on 3 digital subchannels. Sub 1 = main program, same content as analog ABC 6. Subchannel 2 is usually wierd local stuff or educational programs, and subchnnel 3 is 24 hours of stormtracker6 live dopler radar.

Anyway, maybe its just my particular receiver -- that's what I want to find out but if I just punch in the channel without a subchannel, it SOMETIMES defaults to subchannel 2. This is annoying since subchannel 1 is the programming I'm usually looking for. But it gets more annoying, if I am watching subchannel 1 and hit "prev channel" or "quick view" whatever your remote calls it, when I go back to ABC using the prev channel button, it may go to subchannel 2 even though subchannel 1 was the actual previous channel. This is really annoying. But it gets worse, over the last couple weeks only, AT TIMES I can't tune subchannel 1 at all, it just skips it and goes to subchannel 2, seems completely spuratic, if I wait a minute, I might be able to get subchannel 1. This issue may have been fixed recently though because I don't have that problem tonight. None of this is related to signal strength because I have a very strong signal and never have drop outs. I've only noticed these issues during primetime.

Sixers game tonight is much better RE the fuzzy issue.

I notice it at the last possession of the first quarter, and a couple of times the last two minutes of the half (Sammy's dunk). Seems occur on more pulled away camera shots. Also I noticed it after camera switches a couple of times.

Overall it has definitely improved.

Edit: Let me add there is still some pixelation problems (not fuzzy related). Why did they touch anything after last year. The last few Sixer/Flyer broadcasts last season were the best live HD broadcasts (sports) I have seen.

Is it just my system or is the sound completely out this evening (03/22) on WHYY 12.1? I was all set to record the rest of the Evolution series on my JVC HD recorder (highly recommended) but no sound only on 12.1. :-(

Originally posted by amphicar770
Is it just my system or is the sound completely out this evening (03/22) on WHYY 12.1? I was all set to record the rest of the Evolution series on my JVC HD recorder (highly recommended) but no sound only on 12.1. :-(

At least you aren't missing much. The series is full of factual, historical, and scientific error. This humanist propaganda is an embarrassment to both educators and scientists: http://www.reviewevolution.com/viewersGuide/viewersGuide.pdf

Well, sound is back. I shall pass on the religious/scientific debate.

Originally posted by TraderGordo
At least you aren't missing much:
http://www.reviewevolution.com/viewersGuide/viewersGuide.pdf

I spoke too soon on the Sixers game. The second half had more fuzzy problems.

Amphicar:

I noticed the same "Silence" when I played back my HD recording of "Desert Speaks" from 7-7:30 on my HTPC. I thought it was the recording but Rudy Maxa was muted as well. Back by 9.

just moved from New Hope to Limerick, and got Digital Cable installed.
Gotta get ready for Flyers playoffs, and the Philies World Series run.:D

Anyway, I read back a few pages here and saw some collegeville guys saying INHD2 is gone,
well I'm 5 miles from Collegeville, and my box skips over 175 ie no INHD2.

Called Comcsat, he looked up the HD menu, and said "I see it listed, so you should be getting it"

And last nights Sixers game on 173, somehow locked out INHD.
I thought Comcast was keeping them seperate, (more bandwith)

I am getting INHD2 in Collegeville on Ch. 175.

Getting 175 here also. Also, the Sixers, Flyers and Phillies games are back on 172 not IN HD.

Anyone getting funnies this morning with Comcast and a few of the HD channels? I noticed this morning that SHOHD and HBOHD plus a few others were OK for about 10 seconds, then the picture went black and was replaced by "This channel will be available shortly" - sound was still there though! A reboot of the Motorola did nothing to help?

Cheers,
--Zig--

Anyone know what other HD channels Comcast will be adding? Customer Service doesn't seem to know much at all...Discovery HD would be nice...

Originally posted by adoble
Anyone know what other HD channels Comcast will be adding? Customer Service doesn't seem to know much at all...Discovery HD would be nice...

adoble,

The only sure-bet for now, is WB17 on Channel 184 on 6/1/04.

ENJOY!

David

Tonight's Sixers game is not HD? If it is, it looks horrible.

the PQ was all over the place.
I was also getting really fast flashing, like from a camera, very fast, like every 10 seconds.
And after the flash, the brightness would change.
Anybody.??

Comcast told me they dropped 175/INHD2.!
WTF.!
You're in Collegeville, and you had it yeasterday.!

Anybody know if the Hawks are HD tonight.?
That'd be a sweet HD night,
Roenick's return with the Flyboys, then goto CBS for Hawks HD.!

Originally posted by Plasma George

Anybody know if the Hawks are HD tonight.?
That'd be a sweet HD night,
Roenick's return with the Flyboys, then goto CBS for Hawks HD.!

They will be if they get to the Final Four. The CBS-HD Production truck is doing the KC Regionals (I THINK) and then the Final Four.

INHD2 was on last time I checked in King of Prussia

ENJOY!

David

INHD2 ch. 175 is still on in my house in Collegeville.

I haven't had INHD2 since it disappeared about a month ago.

I get varying responses from the CSRs at Comcast.

I'll keep calling and complaining.

Originally posted by Plasma George


And last nights Sixers game on 173, somehow locked out INHD.
I thought Comcast was keeping them seperate, (more bandwith)

if the sixers are on inhd then the channel gets blacked out because it probably was on CSN at the same time.

Originally posted by EricMhdtv
I haven't had INHD2 since it disappeared about a month ago.

I get varying responses from the CSRs at Comcast.

I'll keep calling and complaining.


I get the same mixed responses, Boyertown is right around the corner, so is Collegeville.
I'm pissed it's not on, why would Comcrap drop it in our little region and not others.?
It seem INHD2 has better "show-off" shows than INHD.

Originally posted by Plasma George
I get the same mixed responses, Boyertown is right around the corner, so is Collegeville.
I'm pissed it's not on, why would Comcrap drop it in our little region and not others.?
It seem INHD2 has better "show-off" shows than INHD.

Check your PM!

David

Hi all, I've been reading this forum for a while, but this is my first post.

I live in center city (12th and Spruce), and I'm having difficulty with OTA reception. I've installed a Channelmaster 4228 8-bay UHF antenna on 10-foot mast on the top of my building (4 floors high). I basically have to point the antenna right through the skyscraper area to face the Roxborough antenna farm, and I'm getting multipath. When I look at analog channels, it's a strong clear signal, but there are 2 or 3 ghosts being picked up on each channel. On the digital channels, I'm getting very intermittent signal (the signal meter jumps around a lot), and it's usually not enough to maintain the picture for any length of time. I've tried pointing the antenna in many directions with little to no improvement.

Can anyone give me some advice on if a preamp will help with the multipath, or is there something else I can do to get a good signal? I have about 60 feet of coax between the antenna and the receiver. I really don't want to go to Comcast for HD because I already have DirecTV.

Welcome to the Philly Phorum, Stoli!

I'm a bit SW of you (near 21st and Pine), so I don't have Liberty Place blocking my signal, but here is another thought for you.

I also had a problem with intermittent dropouts. I had a rather tall mast (about 15 ft), supported by guy wires. But whenever it was windy, the antenna would sway enough to put it out of signal on an annoyingly frequent cycle.

I found an alternative way to secure the antenna: it is lower than it was before, but it does not sway in the wind as before. My reception has been much more reliable since then.

Bigger is NOT always better, it would seem! {chuckle}

--Philly Tim

Hi Tim,

My antenna is mounted on the side of the building four stories up and extends about 7 feet above the roof. Unfortunately this is the only place I can mount it because there is no way to access the actual roof. The antenna is very secure with almost no sway. I wouldn't put it up on the roof because I would have no way of adjusting it.

I really think my problem is a combination of multipath and cable length (60-70 feet). I don't know much about preamps, but I'm hoping that adding one will help overcome the multipath issue by "locking in" on the strongest signal and ignoring the reflected signals. Can anyone tell me if adding one will help?

Thanks

Anybody else see the TV schedule for the Phillies first game on Saturday is HD.!
I'm not 100% believing since the Flyers are scheduled HD at night.
Anybody know for sure.?
And what's with UPN screwing up our Philies at Home in HD, that really blows.!
UPN has ALOT of weekend games too, ba$tard$.
They're pulling the same crap ABC does with the Flyers games.

I believe someone said there will be 54 HD Phillies games on CSN (all home games of course). Since there are 81 home games (right? 162 game schedule, isn't that correct?), that leaves 27 Home games not in HD.

Thank you Comcast, kiss my behind UPN (or ESPN/Fox if they local blackout).

I assume we will get a road game or two on ESPN in HD (hopefully).

Boy, Now that the studio at the WAC CENTER is done, and we don't have to share a truck with the O's, this is a nice predicament to be in.

ENJOY IT - it's only (I HOPE) going to get better!

David

Lets hope they fix the video problems. Last seasons Flyers/Sixers games were the best live HD I've seen.

Originally posted by TraderGordo
To the people looking for antenna installers -- or really to anyone that wants an antenna. There is a new way to get one professionally installed that will actually be cheaper than doing it yourself (not to mention saving you a lot of time, frusteration, and risking your life :) )

VOOM has a brand new deal (search the forum if you want more info, VOOM is the newest satellite company focused on High Def). You used to have to pay $750 for the initial hardware, but now they let you lease it for just $9.50/mo and I believe the cheapest monthly service package is $39/month. The neat thing is that their professional installation includes an Over-The-Air (OTA) antenna installation for local channels, and even better, they have absolutely no commitment requirement when you sign up (this is probably going to change in the future?). That means for less than $50 you can now have an antenna professionally installed (the hardware alone will cost you about that much if you do it yourself). If you don't like, or don't need, VOOM satellite service, just cancel it.

Once again, for those that aren't aware, the Philly area is one of the best in the nation for OTA free digital & high def coverage. We have CBS/ABC/NBC/FOX/PBS/UPN57/WB17 so you can get a ton of high def programing with an antenna.

Is there a station reference guide somewhere (channel #, source formats, etc.)?

I'd be interested in the fine print on their antenna installation.
Any installs in the burbs need large antennas and/or amps to get the stations locked, a pair of rabbit ears ain't gonna cut it.

VOOM will have the same market penetration issues DirecTv and Dish have with the lack of ComcastSportsnet, and now more than ever with all the HD games.!
24 hour HD channels provide awesome "show off" programming to friends and family to justify the $$$, but what me and family watch, is still primarily SD, (Seinfeld, Friends, Simpsons, news, weather, TLC, etc).

To rely on OTA digtal stations for local programming risks burn-in for me. The 2 HD STBs I have/had won't let you stretch and 4:3 shows.

These are my strong opinions, which are based on very little facts.

Anybody else notice this or is it my equipment? It comes and goes during tonights HDTV broadcast.

It has happened all of this season for Flyers/Sixers. We've talked about it in this thread a few times.

...I saw the fuzziness, and I'm always paranoid about my equipment.
I'm have 40' components, going through a splitter, and my plasma is ED.
So I come up short for somebody running short, DVIs, to an HD plasma.

But I did a "channel up" to INHDs game (Pacer vs ?)
WHAT A DIFFERENCE.!
Holy Cow, beautiful HDTV, now put that $5000 HD plasma next to mine.

CSN is having issues, makes you wonder about Flyers and Phillies, especially since I'm having guests to see their beloved Phillies new ballpark in HD Sat.
Hope it's still HD.

I'm watching the Pacers game right now on INHD (rerun obviously) and this is what the Sixers/Flyers game looked like last year, minus the horrible graphics NBATV does to the games.

Actually, the Sixers games last year looked even better then the Pacers/Bucks game, which looks damn good.

...but I don't know if I've ever seen the Sixers look that good.
I saw the very first CSN-HD broadcast, with all the pixelation and motion artifacts, they improved the PQ alot, but I always felt CSNHD was not up to HDNET/INHD games.
IMHO

You should have seen the last few Sixers regular season/playoff games. Not one hint of pixelation/motion problem.

The Phillies games had no problems either.

...I did see all those games.
I will admit the Phillies were beautiful in HD.
I think alot of that was due to HD kicking A$$ in day games with natural light vs. the artificial light of indoor arenas.

I can't speak for the hdnet games, but it's my impression that the inhd games are repackaged HD ffeds from the locals. For example, there have been a couple of times when Mark and Steve have referred to the games viewers watching them on NBAtv. I think all they do is take the local feed and apply new graphics.

Any AVS members who want to get involved in the newly formed Philadelphia Audio Video Society, please check out our post in the home theatre meets section. The first meeting has been scheduled. Thanks.

Originally posted by EricMhdtv
I haven't had INHD2 since it disappeared about a month ago.
I get varying responses from the CSRs at Comcast.
I'll keep calling and complaining.

Thanks Faceoff/Dave for helping, the Comcast rep said INHD2 IS NOT available in my area, but is coming. (I'm hopeful)
Bigger problem,
Random WHITE flashing during the Sixers games.!
Like a camera flash over the entire screens it then dims the screen.
What's weird is my friends noticed it during the St. Joes game on CBS, so it's not limited to CSN, and I've seen it on b-ball highlights/games on ESPN.
Also weird is it's on ALL my TVs, not just the plasma through the 5100.
Please tell me there are others experiencing this.???
The Comcast rep told my wife he has the same thing.!!!! I can't beleive that.
I didn't have this in my New Hope house, and didn't have it before the Digital Cable installation, and none of my neighbors are experiencing this. :confused:

Hey Folks,
New HDTV owner. DELCO area. May I ask a question please. I currently have Comcast cable. What I want to do is to take advantage of the OTA HD TV stations local to Phila. can I use my OTA input to the HDTV and retain the Cable input at the same time?

Thanks

Any installs in the burbs need large antennas and/or amps to get the stations locked, a pair of rabbit ears ain't gonna cut it.

Not necessarily so. Using a Silver Sensor I can lock onto most of the Philly digitals (except Fox and PBS) - no amp yet. I am ~35 miles from most of the broadcast towers, and antennaweb tells me I need a large directional with a pre-amp. I would imagine reception would be at least equal if not better with an outdoor OTA installation.

Originally posted by dkimer
Hey Folks,
New HDTV owner. DELCO area. May I ask a question please. I currently have Comcast cable. What I want to do is to take advantage of the OTA HD TV stations local to Phila. can I use my OTA input to the HDTV and retain the Cable input at the same time?

Thanks

Hi dkimer, and welcome!

Your TV very likely has enough inputs to handle OTA HD and regular cable. If your TV has a built in HD receiver, just connect an antenna to the appropriate input on your TV!
If your TV does NOT have a built in HD receiver, you'll need to purchase a HDTV STB (receiever), and connect it.
The type of connection between your STB and your TV will depend on the available inputs on the TV, and you'll want a STB that provides suitable (preferably matching) outputs. Hook up your antenna, and you're all set. This is not difficult, and in fact can be a big part of the fun.

Or, if this seems like something you don't feel like figuring out, you can always call Comcast and upgrade to HD service.

I had OTA, and regular cable for a year. Worked great, and I'm about 25 miles from the Philly towers. I just switched over to Comcast. Comcast has all the local HD channels I wanted, plus Flyers and Phillies in HD on CCSN, plus INHD 1 & 2, plus ESPN HD, plus HBO HD... and cable will just continue to expand, while local OTA is as good as it gets right now.


Oh yeah, blackngold75 is correct, you do not neccesarily need a big antenna. I was using a Sliver Sensor also (mine was mounted outside). I had all the Philly station LOCKED in.

Best,
Dave

Hey Fellows,

Thanks. The HDTV is relatively new as has about 20 different connections so I
am sure I can get a match. What is a decent OTA STB? Help is always appreciated. I have an antenna that was originally installed during my DTV days. But I couldn't live W/O my Flyers so I had to succumb to the Comcast local sport monopoly.

dkimer

I just got a new Motorola OAT receiver and I am having problems getting WHYY-DT (55) to lock in. I have a Radio Shack UHF antenna in my attic.... about 30 elements..... and I am approx. 7 miles from the Roxborough antenna farm. THe antenna is rated for up to 75 miles.

The RG-6 feed is about 80 feet to the receiver. I am able to receive KYW-DT, WCAU-DT, WPSG-DT, WPHL-DT, WTFX-DT, WPPX-DT, and WYBE-DT. Signal strength from 50% to 63%.

I cannot get WHYY-DT (55) to lock. Is it possible that since WPHL-DT is at Channel 54 it may be interferring with Channel 55? Has anyone else experienced this problem?

BTW - I also tried the Samsung SIR-T351 receiver with the same results. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Being close... you may be overdriving the signal (which is just as bad as low signal). Try a variable attenuator. You can get one a Radio Shack for about $8.

Originally posted by Ratman
Being close... you may be overdriving the signal (which is just as bad as low signal). Try a variable attenuator. You can get one a Radio Shack for about $8.

I saw one at Radio Shack for $8.99..... should I connect it at the receiver or the antenna?

Greets!

I'm in center city Philly (near 18th and Lombard) and can't get any OTA reception with a Zenith Silver Sensor antenna... so I need a roof antenna.

Can anyone make suggestions to a decent outdoor antenna that works in the heart of a big city? I don't have huge skyscrapers between me and the Roxborough antennas but I do have some small buildings.

Thanks!

Well the R/S attenuator did not work. As I continued to attenuate the signal, I loss all input.

I was flipping channels last night and to my surprise channel 175 was back in the line-up! I live in Upper Providence, just west of 113 and just north of 422.

On a down note, the defocusing problem on the Sixers/Blazers game was awful for the two minutes I tried to watch before giving up. I know it's well-documented, but c'mon Comcast.

--Tom

Hey Helpful Fellows,

Starting to spend the bucks. Got a Samsung SIR T 3510 HD TV Recv. Connected my roof mount A. to it and set it to auto load channels. I don't see the PBS channels WH YY-12, 32, or 39. Any help is appreciated. I have my "BASIC" cable (Concst) plug into the HDTV Cable port and my Ant. into the Samsung. I have cnnctd the Samsung via the R,B,W and audio cables. Should I be doing something more?

Your expertise is appreciated.

dkimer

Folks,

Lets go Flyers

...Yep, I got it back to.
I got a call Wed. night from a Comcast Regional Manager (very cool) thanking me for my persistance.
They didn't know there was a problem, and they found it, and he called me to turn it on, and sure enough it was there.
So our calls worked.

PS---nobody in the Montgomery area is seeing the white flashing during Sixers/Flyers games.?
He told me to tape a game and get it to him, First I'm gonna go see the neighbors to see if it's truly just my house.

Originally posted by blackngold75
Not necessarily so. Using a Silver Sensor I can lock onto most of the Philly digitals (except Fox and PBS) - no amp yet. I am ~35 miles from most of the broadcast towers, and antennaweb tells me I need a large directional with a pre-amp. I would imagine reception would be at least equal if not better with an outdoor OTA installation.

You said it all, you can't lock on ALL the channels.
I was 35 miles away, had a 6' Yagi style in the attic, couldn't get them all, after getting the amp, locked them all in.

Originally posted by Plasma George
You said it all, you can't lock on ALL the channels.
I was 35 miles away, had a 6' Yagi style in the attic, couldn't get them all, after getting the amp, locked them all in.

What amp are you using? I have the same problem, not locking in WHYY-DT

Originally posted by Plasma George
PS---nobody in the Montgomery area is seeing the white flashing during Sixers/Flyers games.?
He told me to tape a game and get it to him, First I'm gonna go see the neighbors to see if it's truly just my house.

I've noticed the flash at various arenas for years. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I thought most modern arenas have a flash available to photographers so the entire rink/floor is illuminated well for high-speed photography. If this is true, I have no idea what triggers the flash - whether it's every x minutes, random, etc.

Ack, what happened to the Phillies game in HD today?

I guess this is a result of the construction not being done yet.

You are correct drhill.

Oh well, I look forward to the (hopefully) double header on the 12th. It is only a preseason game.

Thanks.