Based on these proposed field strength coverage patterns I take it KBEH-DT(24) will commence broadcasting from Mt. Wilson on or some time after KVCR-24 San Bernardino's analog signal is shut down on June 12?

Yes, KBEH will have to wait until then, but unless they already started construction in anticipation of the grant, I wouldn't expect them to move for at least a few more months. October would be reasonable.

Looking at the coordinates, it appears that they will actually be located on the Mt. Harvard multi-user tower, vs. Mt. Wilson itself.

Yesterday, I did a rescan on one of my receivers, and it picked up a couple of San Diego stations, namely KFMB 8.1 (CBS) and KGTV 10.1 (ABC). It seems that the summer inversion layer is beginning to reappear, making long distance reception possible at times. It is too bad that KGTV cannot be received all the time, since it has only one additional subchannel, 10.15, and it is only 480i. The PQ on 10.1 seems to be much better than on 7.1!

As for 10.15, it is identified as KZSD-D2 and is apparently a relay of a low power Poway station on analog ch 41. I believe that it has all Spanish language programming.

Started to put one together. Perhaps someone down in the greater Los Angeles area can work on it. This would be a handout one could pass on to people about the benefits of over the air television. Written as simple as possible so as to reach as wide an audience as possible.

The end form can be printed out, two pages, 1st page how to do it, second page for Viewer Reports. The handout could also be photocopied on one piece of paper so it is double-sided. The television stations and networks listed would also include their symbols.

Can also be emailed as an attachment along the Internet.
Avoid mentioning companies as they are mentioned the various websites already mentioned.

Graphics would make this much better.

Uploading the form didn't work Will try again at a later time.

The FCC tried to do just that....but it takes more than a single 2-page brochure:
http://www.dtv.gov/outreach.html

Looked at your link. Pretty involved. Thanks

The soft analog shut-off tests appeared to be far from universal (at least locally) this morning. I am unable to receive analog 2-5 here at the office in Tustin, so was only able to confirm soft shut-offs on:

7, 11, 28, 46, 50 & 58

Most were only 2 minutes, however, so I may have missed some.

It seems to me that the educational efforts are lower now than they were 3 weeks before 2/17. At least the coupon program hasn't run out of money this time around and doesn't appear likely to do so, at least not before 6/12.

Another round of soft analog shut-off tests were performed a few minutes ago. Some stations had info this time that didn't before, such as 9, 13 & 22.

However, it looked like KCET had a typo on their warning before they cut to snow for 5 mins. It said, July 12, though it did say June 12 right after it (see attached). I will try and remember to check again tonight during the 3rd round.

Well the Great May DTV test has come and gone, a few stations in the LA market went with the annoying color bars version, but most were fairly original about it and did a good job. Doubtless, there will be several examples available on you tube within the next 24 hours.

Another round of soft analog shut-off tests were performed a few minutes ago. Some stations had info this time that didn't before, such as 9, 13 & 22.

However, it looked like KCET had a typo on their warning before they cut to snow for 5 mins. It said, July 12, though it did say June 12 right after it (see attached). I will try and remember to check again tonight during the 3rd round.

They still had it tonight!

Get if fine this morning, though tends to want to drop out. 10% like all the rest. Best time very early in the morning. Very early in the morning. And, when there's fog/overcast. Is there any research on the issue.

Tend to believe out here in the fringe, when you have a hill, one needs high gain and high direction.

There is an angled ridge line that the antenna is pointed to. Antenna is pointed to the rop of the ridge line.

Getting from like 10 subchannels during the day to between 30 to 45 channels in the very early morning.

To improve will probably need better wiring, shorter runs, better splitter. Am willing to pay $ at some point for the better splitter with very very low db loss.

Get if fine this morning, though tends to want to drop out. 10% like all the rest. Best time very early in the morning. Very early in the morning. And, when there's fog/overcast. Is there any research on the issue.

Tend to believe out here in the fringe, when you have a hill, one needs high gain and high direction.

There is an angled ridge line that the antenna is pointed to. Antenna is pointed to the rop of the ridge line.

Getting from like 10 subchannels during the day to between 30 to 45 channels in the very early morning.

To improve will probably need better wiring, shorter runs, better splitter. Am willing to pay $ at some point for the better splitter with very very low db loss.

What does TVFOOL say about KABC's signal strength at your location? At my GPS location, my signal strength is -84.5 dbm with one edge diffraction (I have no line of sight). Yet with a CM4228 w/preamp mounted in my attic, I can always receive KABC day or night. (As well as all the other channels.)

If your signal strength is comparable you should be able to also reliably receive KABC with the right equipment.

KABC-DT is currently on channel 53. The signal is weak because Qualcomm paid KABC, and bunch of other stations around the country to either reduce power of move out of their channel (or adjacents ). Qualcomm bought a nation wide channel 55 licence for $ 800 mil. They use it for MediaFlo.

In any case, in a few weeks KABC (7) as well as KCAL (9) , KTTV (11) , and KCOP (13) will be moving their digital transmissions to their original VHF allocations.

KABC-DT is currently on channel 53. The signal is weak because Qualcomm paid KABC, and bunch of other stations around the country to either reduce power of move out of their channel (or adjacents ). Qualcomm bought a nation wide channel 55 licence for $ 800 mil. They use it for MediaFlo.

In any case, in a few weeks KABC (7) as well as KCAL (9) , KTTV (11) , and KCOP (13) will be moving their digital transmissions to their original VHF allocations.

I recall reading about how Qualcomm financed an early DTV switchover in Hawaii for an ION affiliate. This was before the official Hawaii abandonment of analog, which I believe was in August. They were on Channel 55.

KABC-DT is currently on channel 53. The signal is weak because Qualcomm paid KABC, and bunch of other stations around the country to either reduce power of move out of their channel (or adjacents ). Qualcomm bought a nation wide channel 55 licence for $ 800 mil. They use it for MediaFlo.

In any case, in a few weeks KABC (7) as well as KCAL (9) , KTTV (11) , and KCOP (13) will be moving their digital transmissions to their original VHF allocations.

So that's the reason. I've always been able to get DTV versions of 5,4,2 most of the time, but 7 was hit and miss and could never figure out why.

KABC 7 is not listed on tvfool for this area. Pick it and other 2 edge stations due to refraction.

Picking up these stations as the antenna used has great directivity and gain. Winegard. Pointed at a ridge line where the signal makes the transition then down the ridgeline. Am plus 15 db. So, it rejects multi-path.

Wondering about the stations moving to VHF, and how VHF refracts. Could lose these stations. Though, the antenna has the ability for VHF. Which refracts better, VHF or UHF? So, concerned about the stations like KABC7 that are moving from UHF to VHF.

Came up with an interesting concept: In real-time combining weather in three dimensions, with the signals in real-time. Real-time Weather overlayed graphically on the Internet with Real-time RF Signals displayed for all. The Colors would get brighter as the signal increases. Should show where signals are overpowered, and where it is weak.

Have a nice Memorial Day weekend.

KABC is listed on this one where it is a 200 feet antenna. Not listed when the antenna is dropped to near ground level. 10 to 15 feet.

TVFool now has detailed coverage maps on-line (not just BiT*rr*nt download):
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=90
You can see current and post transition coverage maps...and try different antenna heights.
BTW: When you select BOTH, the channel numbers disappear....

FYI: VTVV is in a canyon (near N Ventura Blvd), which is roughly 34.3 x -119.3

KABC-DT is currently on channel 53. The signal is weak because Qualcomm paid KABC, and bunch of other stations around the country to either reduce power of move out of their channel (or adjacents ).

53 is 2 channels away from MediaFlo, but it seemed like Qualcomm was once using 53 in San Diego for MediaFlo, before they paid KFMB to abandon 55. Is that correct and am I remembering wrong?

If KABC was paid to run at reduced power, I'm wondering why it doesn't show up in the FCC database. Don't they have to file to reduce power?

Also, I posted relatively recently, KABC's 53 antenna is side mounted and appears to be obstructed by other station towers at certain angles. However, I wouldn't be surprised if they also reduced power, since it has always been my 2nd weakest station.

KABC-DT is currently on channel 53. The signal is weak because Qualcomm paid KABC, and bunch of other stations around the country to either reduce power of move out of their channel (or adjacents ). Qualcomm bought a nation wide channel 55 licence for $ 800 mil. They use it for MediaFlo.

In any case, in a few weeks KABC (7) as well as KCAL (9) , KTTV (11) , and KCOP (13) will be moving their digital transmissions to their original VHF allocations.

But how can Qualcomm or any other license holder of this soon to be released TV channel spectrum (ch. 52-69) make such demands on these full power TV stations until the official DTV transition date? Qualcomm for instance may currently own the license to channel 55, but I thought they really aren't allowed to use it for any of their future services, "MediaFlo" or whatever, until the government mandated transition. :confused:

Qualcomm for instance may currently own the license to channel 55, but I thought they really aren't allowed to use it for any of their future services, "MediaFlo" or whatever, until the government mandated transition. :confused:

They are using 55 in many markets already. They didn't have to wait until the transition, though the reasons why are unclear to me.

It seems that if they can convince a station to abandon 55 (for a fee), then they can use it right away. This has happened in many instances throughout the country, usually at the expense of DTV viewers.

All dark now. KIMG-LP23 and TBN 45.

Leaves analog Los Angeles Stations: KABC7, KOCE, KDOC, etc. due to be turned off June 12.

And while I’m on the subject, for me anyhow, since KABC7 transmitter will not relocated to Santiago Peak, and will not moved its city of license from Los Angeles to Santa Ana. KABC7 will still located atop Mt. Wilson, and will still city of license Los Angeles, and my antenna is a high gain directional aimed at Mt. Wilson within a rotator, I receive their DTV. KABC7 will not low-power translator located atop Mt. Wilson.

And while I’m on the subject, for me anyhow, since KABC7 transmitter will not relocated to Santiago Peak, and will not moved its city of license from Los Angeles to Santa Ana. KABC7 will still located atop Mt. Wilson, and will still city of license Los Angeles, and my antenna is a high gain directional aimed at Mt. Wilson within a rotator, I receive their DTV. KABC7 will not low-power translator located atop Mt. Wilson.

There is no reason for KABC to move its city of license from Los Angeles, It serves the entire Los Angeles region, and is not a small, local station.

Hi, guys. Which outdoor antenna do you guys recommend for the West LA area?

Hi, guys. Which antenna do you guys recommend for the West LA area?

Are you looking for an outdoor or an indoor antenna? For outdoors, something like a Winegard 7694 should work well, but have a look at TVFool.com for your predicted signal strengths first.

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?prod=HD7694P

Well here are the TV Fool results.

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3dfd25c2ae56d2c2

Most of the stations are within 26 miles and in the green background color which says an indoor antenna should be sufficient. But still, I prefer to get an outdoor antenna since my indoor antenna is spotty on some channels.

So would the Winegard 7694 still be a recommended choice?

I have another question about installing an outdoor antenna. How can the coaxial cable go into the house without drilling any holes in the wall or floor?

...I have another question about installing an outdoor antenna. How can the coaxial cable go into the house without drilling any holes in the wall or floor?


The short answer is that you can't. I assume from your question that you must be renting the property where you live. Otherwise it is a relatively simple matter to bring the coax through the attic and down through the wall. You can usually find some sort of vent holes which you can use to feed the coax into the attic from outside. You will then only need to drill two holes, one to enter the wall from the attic and another at the bottom where you can add a type "F" outlet plate, available at a hardware or electronics store.

You are wise to opt for an outdoor antenna, since it is much more critical to have good reception with DTV.

FYI: Ken Nist updated the HDTVPrimer Antenna Comparison webpage:
http://www.hdtvprimer.com/antennas/comparing.html
including recent updates to the new antenna webpage:
http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/TemporaryPage.html

Any websites that go into detail on adding different types of reflectors and how it affects performance. Believe this is the next step if one has some marginal stations to bring them over the threshold to be picked up by the digital converter box.

Any websites that go into detail on adding different types of reflectors and how it affects performance. Believe this is the next step if one has some marginal stations to bring them over the threshold to be picked up by the digital converter box.

My favorite website for exotic antennas for fringe OTA reception is:

www.digitalhome.ca

Good luck

Any websites that go into detail on adding different types of reflectors and how it affects performance. Believe this is the next step if one has some marginal stations to bring them over the threshold to be picked up by the digital converter box.

I don't know of any, but you might try building a large parabolic reflector, and placing an antenna at the focus of the paraboloid. It might involve a lot of work, but the results might be interesting!

Tried using like chicken wire, but ended up blocking all LA Stations. Back to pointing at a ridgeline with no reflector.

Tried using like chicken wire, but ended up blocking all LA Stations. Back to pointing at a ridgeline with no reflector.


It is very possible that your chicken wire reflector was too close to the antenna and "detuned" it. It is also possible that you are getting LA stations predominently from a reflection in another direction, but you have probably already investigated that.

KCOP, KCBS, & KXLA applications granted

KCOP/13 (120kW - Directional, due to beam-tilt):

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/prefill_and_display.pl?Application_id=1250386&Service=DT&Form_id=301&Facility_id=33742

I didn't notice before, but it's a directional pattern with most of the energy being directed over the mountains. Parts of the LA basin will only receive 10kW. The old 13.5kW CP was non-directional.

Edit2: After further review, the directional pattern for KCOP appears to be due to beam-tilt. Their attachment to the CP app says it is a non-directional antenna and the "null" is directed to the same angle as the tilt.

KCBS/43 (1000kW - Directional):

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/prefill_and_display.pl?Application_id=1249567&Service=DT&Form_id=301&Facility_id=9628

Also directional, but highly irregular, and also favoring the mountains. I will have to do some simulations to check it against KCAL/43, but it appears that some directions will receive lower power. Some areas in the LA basin will only receive 110kW.

KXLA/51 (Increase in AGL from 86m to 98m):

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/prefill_and_display.pl?Application_id=1310402&Service=DT&Form_id=301&Facility_id=55083

Edit: After further review, at least for KCBS/KCAL, the CP notes that KCBS will use the same antenna as KCAL/43. It looks like the pattern difference is due to mechanical beam-tilt. Here is the CP showing the regular pattern, ignoring beam-tilt, and the one that includes beam-tilt. I don't know why the KCAL license doesn't show the beam-tilt like the KCBS CP. Perhaps mechanical beam-tilt is affecting many of the others as well. In other words, if KCAL/43 comes in ok, KBCS/43 should be better at the increase power from the same antenna.

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getattachment_exh.cgi?exhibit_id=647430&formid=301&q_num=5460

It appears that custom patterns such as these only have beam-tilts on one side (toward the basin) and flat on the other side, to get over the mountains.

If I am reading the data correctly, I should receive about 60%-70% of maximum power from KCOP at my location which is at about 285° azimuth from Mt. Wilson, which hopefully should be adequate. It is the only LA station that I can never receive at present.

If I am reading the data correctly, I should receive about 60%-70% of maximum power from KCOP at my location which is at about 285° azimuth from Mt. Wilson, which hopefully should be adequate. It is the only LA station that I can never receive at present.

I made some revisions to the above. The directionality of KCOP is in the flat vertical plane, due to beam-tilt. The attachment to the application notes the antenna is non-directional, so it appears that some areas looking up at about 3 degrees to Mt. Wilson, will receive full power.

I don't know if I can effectively model these custom patterns, but for most of us in the LA basin, it appears we will be getting much more power than I anticipated in the previous post (before the edits).

Should be able to pick this one up. We will see.... Thanks for the analysis Falcon_77.

There are also pre and post coverage maps at:

dtv.gov/maps

that you may find useful.

KHIZ, which had previously indicated an interest in DTS has now filed an application to do so. Here is the attachment to the application:

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getattachment_exh.cgi?exhibit_id=760959&formid=301&q_num=5500

They want 3 sites (all on 44):

1) Existing 1000kW facility at Quartzite Mtn. (near Victorville)
2) 169.3kW from Mt. Harvard
3) 40kW from Snow Peak (where KVMD is located)

Sites 2 and 3 would employ extensive combined beam tilts, of 3.9 degrees and 4.7 degrees, presumably to help them stay within the contour as much as possible.

This morning, ABC affiliate KGTV 10.1 in San Diego was coming in and so I had hte opportunity to do a quick, subjective A-B comparison with KABC 7.1 with regard to PQ, using the same HD program material. Both are, of course 720p, but KGTV has only one subchannel, 10.15 and that is only 480i. As expected, there seemed to be a definite "softer" look with KABC, though it was a bit subtile. The KABC PQ just didn't seem to have quite as crisp a look as KGTV's.

That's cuz we have less smog down here....

That's cuz we have less smog down here....

No, it is most likely because of KABC's ill-advised attempt to carry two 720p subchannels simultaneously.

I have noticed that Guadalupe Radio is still on 6/87.75. As noted before, they were due to change to a dance format (Pulse 87.7). However, I found out that the lease intent expired:

http://www.radioworld.com/article/80378

Mega has a similar lease arrangement in Washington. We also reported in March that it had signed letters of intent to lease frequencies from Venture Technologies Group LLC, serving the Los Angeles and Chicago markets; but Venture Technologies Group Chairman Lawrence Rogow, now informs Radio World those letters of intent have expired and Venture has decided not to pursue the deal. Venture’s KSFV(LP), Los Angeles airs Spanish-language programming on 87.7 MHz and WLFM(LP), Chicago airs country programming — branded as “The L” — on 87.7 MHz.

So it appears that the only thing could might change in the near future is XETV's analog channel 6 going dark or moving to a Spanish format. I can hear the FM portion of San Diego 6 (The CW) during parts of my commute. After reading up on this some more, however, it appears they may stay on analog after all. Time will tell...

That's cuz we have less smog down here....
ROFL :):D
That's funny.

Rudy

FYI: FCC sez stations can shut down Analog and fire up new Digital assignments ANYTIME on 12 June:
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-09-47A1.pdf
They don't have to wait till midnight....

FYI: FCC sez stations can shut down Analog and fire up new Digital assignments ANYTIME on 12 June:
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-09-47A1.pdf
They don't have to wait till midnight....


Correct. In fact many, if not most LA area stations will be transitioning at various times throughout the day on June 12. Falcon_77 posted some scheduling information a while back here. We are going to be very busy here on June 12!

Hey! There's KBEH!

Picking them up in Tustin loud and clear and digital on 24-1 (not remapped).

Bitrate is hovering between 8 and 9 Mbps. No subchannels. Audio is 384 kbps and at the moment is on the left channel only. Picture is not so hot - pretty fuzzy and a bit on the dim side. I 'spect there is still tweaking to be done.

I wonder how KVCR feels about this?

We are down to the final week Only 7 more days until full DTV.

I observed that the original digital day was a Tuesday. This time it is a Friday. I guess that is better. That way all the procrastinators can spend Saturday buying a converter box.

Rick R

I was going to confirm that the KBEH booster on 63 went dark as I can't see it anymore. However, I couldn't see them doing this before 24 was operational. I guess this explains it! :D

I'm surprised that they didn't wait until 6/13 to commence ops. on 24. I hope they warned KVCR and/or got permission to do so.

However, I don't see KBEH-DT at the moment here at the office. I will try again when I get home tonight.

FCC fillings show that KBEH-TV (TV-63) analog facility suffered a failure, which they won't repair.

After the transition KVCR will turn off their analog transmitter on channel 24 and remain digital on channel 26 (PSIP 24-1).

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_list.pl?Facility_id=56384

FCC fillings show that KBEH-TV (TV-63) analog facility suffered a failure, which they won't repair.

This was for the main facility in Oxnard. I had thought we were seeing it in the LA basin by way of an analog booster on 63, but perhaps not.

It had been going in and out lately, but perhaps it's now gone for good. Can anyone check the status of KBEH analog 63 in the Oxnard/Ventura area? Thanks.

So is there confirmation that it's on the air? Or might it have been pre-June 12 testing?

- Trip

KBEH-DT 24 is on the air, sort-of. I can get it from home, but it is extremely weak. I can also see KVCR when I point the antenna that way, so there is definitely a co-channel problem at the moment. The picture keeps going black on KBEH on the Samsung. The Sony locks onto it, but doesn't display anything. My On-Air GT's can't lock, which means no TSR's yet... I will keep trying.

They must be running an experimental facility right now. I can't imagine I'd be getting the 1kW off-axis STA.

This is definitely not the 1000kW facility as that would easily override the weak analog KVCR signal here. It might be the same antenna as the CP, but running at very low power, however. Can it really be 1W? Probably not, that's just a holding value I would guess.

Edit: The Sony is displaying the channel now. I had to dump the existing channel list, which had included a 24.1 for KVCR (in addition to a 26.1), and do a re-scan from scratch.

The picture is very soft. 480i, no subs apparent.

KBEH-DT 24 is on the air, sort-of. I can get it from home, but it is extremely weak. I can also see KVCR when I point the antenna that way, so there is definitely a co-channel problem at the moment.

In my part of Tustin, KVCR has never come in at all. Mountain in the way. We may be among the very few who can get a solid lock on KBEH until KVCR's analog goes byebye. "Extremely weak" it is not, although it isn't blowing the doors off either.

I can speak from past experience with KFLA-LD vs. KFMB San Diego, that if there's any encroachment by an analog signal at all, maintaining a lock is just about impossible.

I wasn't able to detect KBEH at my office in Tustin (assuming it was on during the day), but the antenna doesn't have LOS, and is only 6" off the ground (it's a 422, plus a distribution amp). I can get KABC there and KCOP is on the edge, so KBEH seems weaker than both right now (at least from two locations).

Can anyone else report on whether they can get KBEH or not?

I wasn't able to detect KBEH at my office in Tustin (assuming it was on during the day), but the antenna doesn't have LOS, and is only 6" off the ground (it's a 422, plus a distribution amp). I can get KABC there and KCOP is on the edge, so KBEH seems weaker than both right now (at least from two locations).

Can anyone else report on whether they can get KBEH or not?


I did a re-scan on one of my receivers and it does indeed bring in KBEH. The signal is fairly strong here, about 70%, and seems to be very stable too. BTW, the fact that it is on ch 24 may not be too much of a problem for KVCR during this last week of analog broadcasting, since KBEH may not be very strong in the IE, KVCR's primary target area.

I just did a re-scan on the big Pioneer, and it is not only picking up KBEH 24.1, but also KVCR 24.1-4 as well! KVCR is a bit weak, however. It did not pick up KVCR's analog signal, however, probably because it would have been obscured by KBEH-DT.

I wasn't able to detect KBEH at my office in Tustin (assuming it was on during the day), but the antenna doesn't have LOS, and is only 6" off the ground (it's a 422, plus a distribution amp). I can get KABC there and KCOP is on the edge, so KBEH seems weaker than both right now (at least from two locations).

Can anyone else report on whether they can get KBEH or not?

KBEH 24 is coming in pretty strong here. I'm across from UCI & have an antenna in my attick. Recption is stronger than channel 13.

I was at my sisters last night and saw that KFLA 8 was coming in strong again. She's in Irvine(Woodbridge) & has an antenna in her garage.

I called KBEH and they advised that they are running at around 87kW right now on a temporary antenna. They hope to be at full power soon, but they are running into permit issues with the County, which could take up to 10-11 weeks to resolve.

They confirmed that the booster for 63 went out on Thursday, but apparently the main (covering Oxnard) is still operational.

I asked about the 24.1 virtual channel issue and they are going to try to keep it but seemed to realize they may not be able to. I can't imagine the FCC would allow it since overlap with KVCR is significant.

At 87kW, I should be able to get them no problem. I will see how it changes when analog KVCR 24 goes dark. That should be interesting.

Has anyone else been getting dropouts on Fox? This seems to happen to me frequently, when national sports broadcasts are shown, but rarely at other times. The SNR is good when the errors occur (~31dB).

Looking at the analog side of 65 there is definitely something there, but what could it be? The closest co-channel I see is in Bakersfield, unless it's from a new service. I will try to remember to check it again when DTV 65 goes dark.

I wonder if it's a problem at the encoder and/or if it will persist when they move to 11.

I asked about the 24.1 virtual channel issue and they are going to try to keep it but seemed to realize they may not be able to. I can't imagine the FCC would allow it since overlap with KVCR is significant.

They could try for 26-1 if they want, since that would meet the PSIP spec regarding KVCR. Maybe it'd be worth calling them and recommending it.

- Trip

Woohoo, six more days! But when for each/all station? If not, then when exactly? Is it safe to rescan on 13th instead? ;)

Correct. In fact many, if not most LA area stations will be transitioning at various times throughout the day on June 12. Falcon_77 posted some scheduling information a while back here. We are going to be very busy here on June 12!
Where is that schedule info.? I am way behind in this forum thread. :(

Where is that schedule info.? I am way behind in this forum thread. :(

According to their FCC filings:

Between Midnight and 6 AM: 24, 28, 56

Between 6 AM and Noon: 4, 7, 18, 30

Between Noon and 6 PM: 2, 5, 9, 58

Between 6 PM and Midnight: 11, 13, 22, 34, 40, 44, 46, 50, 52, 54, 62, 63

63's booster, from which most of their viewers got their analog signal, keeled over earlier this week and won't be repaired.

KJLA (57), of course, took the plunge in February. Their translator on 33 is still on the air, and will need to go away to make room for 40. (Anybody know if 40 really is jumping to 33 on Friday? Or are they staying on 23 for awhile longer?)


According to that graphic from the Channel 9 news story last month:

2 - 1:00 PM
4 - 6:00 AM
5 - 10:45 PM (note the discrepancy with their FCC filing)
7 - Noon
9 - 1:00 PM
11 - 11:45 PM
13 - 11:45 PM
(those are the only channels they listed)

According to their FCC filings:

Between Midnight and 6 AM: 24, 28, 56

Between 6 AM and Noon: 4, 7, 18, 30

Between Noon and 6 PM: 2, 5, 9, 58

Between 6 PM and Midnight: 11, 13, 22, 34, 40, 44, 46, 50, 52, 54, 62, 63

63's booster, from which most of their viewers got their analog signal, keeled over earlier this week and won't be repaired.

KJLA (57), of course, took the plunge in February. Their translator on 33 is still on the air, and will need to go away to make room for 40. (Anybody know if 40 really is jumping to 33 on Friday? Or are they staying on 23 for awhile longer?)


According to that graphic from the Channel 9 news story last month:

2 - 1:00 PM
4 - 6:00 AM
5 - 10:45 PM (note the discrepancy with their FCC filing)
7 - Noon
9 - 1:00 PM
11 - 11:45 PM
13 - 11:45 PM
(those are the only channels they listed)Yikes, most of them are all over the place on the 12th. I guess I will rescan on Saturday then. ;)

I just hope I have no problems with my TV stations with my old bowtie antenna (was told that it might be a problem after the changes, even though right now is OK). If there is a problem, then I can get a new antenna from a local store to fix by Sunday afternoon for possible Lakers game (Go Lakers!). KABC could be an issue for me since I had problems before I moved my bowtie antenna into a closet near the ceiling.

Here are the stations that are changing channels

Station from to
KCBS-DT 60 43 Afternoon (12:01 PM - 6:00 PM)
KCAL-DT 43 09 Afternoon (12:01 PM - 6:00 PM)
KABC-DT 53 07 Evening (6:01 PM - 11:59 PM)
KTTV-DT 65 11 Evening (6:01 PM - 11:59 PM)
KCOP-DT 66 13 Evening (6:01 PM - 11:59 PM)
KSCI-DT 61 18 Morning (6:01 AM - 12:00 PM Noon)
KCET-DT 59 28 Evening (6:01 PM - 11:59 PM)
KMEX-DT 35 34 Evening (6:01 PM - 11:59 PM)
KTBN-DT 23 33 Evening (6:01 PM - 11:59 PM)
KRCA-DT 68 45 Evening (6:01 PM - 11:59 PM)

Here are the stations that are changing channels

Station from to
KCBS-DT 60 43 Afternoon (12:01 PM - 6:00 PM)
KCAL-DT 43 09 Afternoon (12:01 PM - 6:00 PM)
KABC-DT 53 07 Evening (6:01 PM - 11:59 PM)
KTTV-DT 65 11 Evening (6:01 PM - 11:59 PM)
KCOP-DT 66 13 Evening (6:01 PM - 11:59 PM)
KSCI-DT 61 18 Morning (6:01 AM - 12:00 PM Noon)
KCET-DT 59 28 Evening (6:01 PM - 11:59 PM)
KMEX-DT 35 34 Evening (6:01 PM - 11:59 PM)
KTBN-DT 23 33 Evening (6:01 PM - 11:59 PM)
KRCA-DT 68 45 Evening (6:01 PM - 11:59 PM)Thanks. This still confirms me to rescan on the 13th. :D

Correction: KRCA is moving to channel 35 not 45.

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101308404&formid=387&fac_num=22161

They could try for 26-1 if they want, since that would meet the PSIP spec regarding KVCR. Maybe it'd be worth calling them and recommending it.

- Trip


Actually, there should most likely be no problem with KVCR continuing to use the ch 24 designation, since it is actually transmitting on ch 26. My Pioneer set accomodates both stations just fine. There are two 24.1's which looks a little odd, but works OK. Also remember that the main target regions of KBEH and KVCR are different: Ventura County, and the Inland Empire (IE) respectively. Those of us in the LA area are in the middle, and receive both, but we are not in the primary target areas of those stations.

Actually, there should most likely be no problem with KVCR continuing to use the ch 24 designation, since it is actually transmitting on ch 26. My Pioneer set accomodates both stations just fine. There are two 24.1's which looks a little odd, but works OK. Also remember that the main target regions of KBEH and KVCR are different: Ventura County, and the Inland Empire (IE) respectively. Those of us in the LA area are in the middle, and receive both, but we are not in the primary target areas of those stations.

While KVCR may be focused on only the Inland Empire, I guarantee you KBEH is targetting as much of the DMA as they can get to. If they were only worried about Ventura, they wouldn't have moved their transmitter.

Having two stations mapping to the same channel is confusing. Depending on how your particular receiver works, it may only list one, it may list neither, or it may list both. When you put in 24-1, which does it go to? It can't be predicted, as each tuner reacts differently.

KVCR will not be happy with this.

- Trip

Actually, there should most likely be no problem with KVCR continuing to use the ch 24 designation, since it is actually transmitting on ch 26.

I think Trip was suggesting that KBEH use 26.1 since KVCR is on 24.1.

Having two stations mapping to the same channel is confusing. Depending on how your particular receiver works, it may only list one, it may list neither, or it may list both. When you put in 24-1, which does it go to? It can't be predicted, as each tuner reacts differently.

This is enough of a problem when it's a station fighting with its own translator. When it's another station altogether, one of them may lose out (and not be displayed), depending on the tuner. Since KBEH is at a lower frequency (ch24 vs. 26), it will have higher odds of blocking out KVCR if they are both on 24.1.

I think Trip was suggesting that KBEH use 26.1 since KVCR is on 24.1.


I think you mean for KVCR use 26.1 since KBEH is on 24.1. By the way, it looks as if KBEH is the only station in our area so far actually transmitting on their nominal channel (24), if you don't count the elusive 8.1!

I think you mean for KVCR use 26.1 since KBEH is on 24.1. By the way, it looks as if KBEH is the only station in our area so far actually transmitting on their nominal channel (24), if you don't count the elusive 8.1!

No, I mean KBEH using 26-1. KVCR is following the PSIP spec by mapping their channel 26 signal to 24-1. A new signal signing on physical channel 24 would be mapped to 26-1, according to the spec.

- Trip

I think you mean for KVCR use 26.1 since KBEH is on 24.1. By the way, it looks as if KBEH is the only station in our area so far actually transmitting on their nominal channel (24), if you don't count the elusive 8.1!

KBEH's nominal channel is 63.

KBEH's nominal channel is 63.

Yes, but when I did a rescan on both my Pioneer plasma and a Samsung STB they both now identify KBEH-DT as 24.1, not 63.1.

No, I mean KBEH using 26-1. KVCR is following the PSIP spec by mapping their channel 26 signal to 24-1. A new signal signing on physical channel 24 would be mapped to 26-1, according to the spec.

- Trip

All right if you say so, but it seems to be a very odd arrangement because KVCR-DT actually is transmitting on ch 26!

All right if you say so, but it seems to be a very odd arrangement because KVCR-DT actually is transmitting on ch 26!

http://www.atsc.org/standards/a_65cr1_with_amend_1.pdf

Page 89, number 4.

- Trip

Yes, but when I did a rescan on both my Pioneer plasma and a Samsung STB they both now identify KBEH-DT as 24.1, not 63.1.

Precisely the point. KBEH should be mapped to their analog channel number. Which is 63.

Precisely the point. KBEH should be mapped to their analog channel number. Which is 63.


I agree that would be logically consistent. This whole discussion may turn out to be moot, however, if it turns out that the FCC considers Ventura County and the IE as different "service areas".

Acting Chairman Copps to Visit LA Area:

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-291292A1.pdf

Chairman Copps said, “In recent months the number of unprepared households has been cut in half. But with only four days remaining, there are still many viewers in Los Angeles who are not ready for the digital transition. According to the most recent Nielsen data, approximately 15.3% of households (862,650 households) in the Los Angeles market rely entirely on over the air broadcasts and 4.69% of households in that market were not ready for the DTV transition. I look forward to communicating with these viewers during my visit to LA,” he said.

So, it appears that about 30% of LA area OTA households are not ready at this point (~264k households).

Only KMEX/34 (Univision) has provided what I would consider to be adequate warnings. There's always the nightlights, I suppose.

Precisely the point. KBEH should be mapped to their analog channel number. Which is 63.
Looks like the screw-up has been fixed. KBEH-DT now maps to virtual channel 63.1 as it should.

Ventura Keys results:

I just put up an antenna today on my new house in the Ventura Keys, ran a quick scan using an EyeTV Hybrid, and my laptop was able to pull in 54 digital channels averaging @ ~70% signal strength. I am 68.2 miles away from the transmitters according to tvfool.com. I am going to fine tune the system to see how high I can get the signal, but this is great.

Here is a pic ...

http://idisk.mac.com/pwfletcher-Public/misc/antenna.jpg

Looks like the screw-up has been fixed. KBEH-DT now maps to virtual channel 63.1 as it should.

Confirmed. Both receivers here now show KBEH-DT as ch 63.1. Interestingly, they automatically corrected this without the need for re-scanning.

pwfletcher,

Looks good. Let us know about your VHF reception after Friday. In San Diego, when KFMB 8, and KGTV 10 made the switch back to VHF some people with UHF antennas (like Channel Master 4248) has some problems with their reception.

This must be the Channel 55 thing that Qualcomm has going...looks like they are more anxious about Friday than we are:

- FLO TV Set to Reach More Than 200 Million Potential Consumers, Ushering in a New Era of Television Viewing on the Go -


SAN DIEGO, June 10 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- FLO TV Incorporated, provider of the FLO TV(TM) live mobile TV service and a wholly owned subsidiary of Qualcomm Incorporated (Nasdaq: QCOM), today announced that the FLO TV service will expand its service nationwide following the DTV transition on June 12, which frees up broadband spectrum for FLO TV's dedicated network. FLO TV will expand into 39 new markets, offering its service to an additional 60 million customers with a total reach of more than 100 major markets and more than 200 million potential consumers nationwide by the end of 2009. This will complete FLO TV's creation of the only dedicated, linear, live mobile TV network, allowing consumers to access broadcast-quality news, sports and entertainment on their mobile devices.


Fifteen new markets will go live immediately following the DTV transition on June 12, bringing service to major markets such as Boston, Houston, Miami and San Francisco, while others will follow throughout the year. In addition to adding new markets, immediately upon the transition, FLO TV also will expand service in existing markets including Chicago, Los Angeles, New York and Washington, DC.

pwfletcher,

Looks good. Let us know about your VHF reception after Friday. In San Diego, when KFMB 8, and KGTV 10 made the switch back to VHF some people with UHF antennas (like Channel Master 4248) has some problems with their reception.

I didn't realize that KFMB-DT and KGTV-DT were already on VHF! When I did a re-scan on one of my receivers a couple of weeks ago, I was picking them up, solid at times, when there was a favorable inversion. I just assumed they were still on UHF - when did they move to VHF? I am in the NW San Fernando Valley, and am using a Winegard YA-1713 for VHF.

I just assumed they were still on UHF - when did they move to VHF?

KFMB: Last year, to DT-07. Moved to DT-08 on February 17, 2009.

KGTV: February 17, 2009.

- Trip

KFMB: Last year, to DT-07. Moved to DT-08 on February 17, 2009.

KGTV: February 17, 2009.

- Trip


Thank you. I think this speaks well for the Winegard YA-1713.

pwfletcher,

Looks good. Let us know about your VHF reception after Friday.

I'll let you know ... luckily, I'm getting ABC from Santa Barbara via UHF so I won't have rely on KABC's VHF channel 7.

Ventura Avenue Area of Ventura:

Checked analog and this is what is being received (BW=black and white, C=Color- S=Snow, but watchable picture, P=Perfect at least for analog or no complaints).

KNBC4(BW-S), KABC7(BW-S), KSCI18 (BW-S), KCET (C-P),
KMEX-TV34 (C-S), KBN-TV40 (C-S), KXLA 44 (C-S)KTBN-TV45 (C-P),
KFTR46 (BW-S) KOCE50 (C-P), KVEA52 (BW-S), KAZA54(C-S),
KVEA 62 (BW-S).

KEYT3 dark already switched. KIMG-LP23 dark due to bankruptcy.

Goodby Los Angeles analog tv stations, hello Los Angeles digital tv stations over 1000KW for this area (earlier posts).

Congrats PWFletcher on your setup..

When I re oriented my radio shack "flying saucer" indoor antenna last night I lost KLCS-DT which has consistently been a solid signal. All other digital and analogs from the LA/OC market are coming in fine. Did KLCS digital power down temporarily last night? I do like the CREATE channel, so thatt is why I am asking.

I love the Create channel as well. Just an FYI KVCR carries it on their fourth subchannel 24.4 for me.
Sorry I can't help you with your question as there is a construction happening right next door to me and my reception is completely messed up for months now. :(

Rudy

The last couple days I've noticed that digital 50.1 (KOCE) has perfect audio but terrible video. Most of the time it's ONE or TWO frames per second. The other KOCE channels 50.2, 50.3, 50.4 are fine.

Does anyone know the schedule for the Mt. Wilson stations?

Is everybody pulling the plug on analog at midnight tonight?

Once again (from an earlier post--thanks to the OP):
According to their FCC filings:

Between Midnight and 6 AM: 24, 28, 56

Between 6 AM and Noon: 4, 7, 18, 30

Between Noon and 6 PM: 2, 5, 9, 58

Between 6 PM and Midnight: 11, 13, 22, 34, 40, 44, 46, 50, 52, 54, 62, 63

63's booster, from which most of their viewers got their analog signal, keeled over earlier this week and won't be repaired.

KJLA (57), of course, took the plunge in February. Their translator on 33 is still on the air, and will need to go away to make room for 40. (Anybody know if 40 really is jumping to 33 on Friday? Or are they staying on 23 for awhile longer?)


According to that graphic from the Channel 9 news story last month:

2 - 1:00 PM
4 - 6:00 AM
5 - 10:45 PM (note the discrepancy with their FCC filing)
7 - Noon
9 - 1:00 PM
11 - 11:45 PM
13 - 11:45 PM
(those are the only channels they listed)

..and actually, KABC's most recent airing of "Countdown to DTV" on June 7th, had the FCC schedule, instead of the one KCAL put out. Based on KTLA's timer on their website, I am sticking to the KCAL version.

By the way, KTLA has been running a promo stating that tomorrow during the 10pm News they are going to have Stan Chambers flip the analog switch off.

That will be kinda cool since Stan Chambers has been with KTLA pretty much since KTLA started.

It gets better. I THINK I just heard KNBC announce on their newscast just a while ago that they're switching at 11:30 AM, with 22 and 52 to follow shortly thereafter. Anybody else catch that?

They sure ain't making it easy on those who want to see them throw the switch.

It gets better. I THINK I just heard KNBC announce on their newscast just a while ago that they're switching at 11:30 AM, with 22 and 52 to follow shortly thereafter. Anybody else catch that?

They sure ain't making it easy on those who want to see them throw the switch.

Of course, none of these three stations is changing their DTV channels, so there isn't much for us to "watch", unless you just want to see their analog signal going off the air.

What really will be interesting are those channels that are changing transmitter frequency - ten if I count correctly.

By the way, KTLA has been running a promo stating that tomorrow during the 10pm News they are going to have Stan Chambers flip the analog switch off.

That will be kinda cool since Stan Chambers has been with KTLA pretty much since KTLA started.

Yes, I think they said he has been at KTLA since 1948!

Of course, none of these three stations is changing their DTV channels, so there isn't much for us to "watch", unless you just want to see their analog signal going off the air.

What really will be interesting are those channels that are changing transmitter frequency - ten if I count correctly.

A lot of stations are doing a little ceremony or commemorative video or something. That's why I'm interested in the "when."

This was in Thursday's LA Times:

Here are major Southern California stations and the times Friday they plan to go digital:
KCBS 1:10 p.m.
KNBC 11:30 a.m.
KTLA 10:45 p.m.
KABC noon
KCAL 1:10 p.m.
KTTV *
KCOP *
KSCI 11 a.m.
KCET *
KFTR 11:27 p.m.
KMEX 11:59 p.m.
KVEA 11:35 p.m.
KWHY 11:35 p.m.
KOCE 11:30 p.m.
KLCS 3 p.m.

* Between midnight and Saturday morning

This was in Thursday's LA Times:

Here are major Southern California stations and the times Friday they plan to go digital:
KCBS 1:10 p.m.
KNBC 11:30 a.m.
KTLA 10:45 p.m.
KABC noon
KCAL 1:10 p.m.
KTTV *
KCOP *
KSCI 11 a.m.
KCET *
KFTR 11:27 p.m.
KMEX 11:59 p.m.
KVEA 11:35 p.m.
KWHY 11:35 p.m.
KOCE 11:30 p.m.
KLCS 3 p.m.

* Between midnight and Saturday morning

Thanks for the updated material. I called KCET today, and they said that they were planning to do the switch at midnight tonight, not tomorrow night.

A lot of stations are doing a little ceremony or commemorative video or something. That's why I'm interested in the "when."

Sounds good. I didn't realize they were having ceremonies too.

Sounds good. I didn't realize they were having ceremonies too.Ceremonies like what? I am just going to rescan on Saturday when all stations should be done. I wonder if tomorrow will be crazy. Wait, are there parties up in Mt. Wilson too? ;)

Oh, just little things about how they've been on analog for 57 years and here's an ancient person who used to be our news anchor and he's going to throw the switch ... sentimental claptrap like this. Some of the stations that bailed in February sent out some nice stuff. Ancient Star Spangled Banner signoffs too.

28 is GONE. 56 is on a slide with program audio. The party has begun. See you tomorrow.

KCET switched off analog 28 and DT 59 at 12:07 a.m. and was back up on 28 with DT 4 minutes later. Improved signal too.

And so it begins....KDOC was off at midnight also Their analog has a simple message saying that they have switched to DTV transmission and to call a certain local number for more info. KCBS just announced that they and KCAL are in fact switching at 1pm. So it does appear that the original transition schedule given by KCAL is accurate. That means KNBC should be next at 6am.

KNBC analog still on at 6:03. Have to go to work soon , so I guess I will miss it. KABC does say noon on their website.

UPDATE: KNBC just announced 11:30am

KCET switched off analog 28 and DT 59 at 12:07 a.m. and was back up on 28 with DT 4 minutes later. Improved signal too.

Yes, they did in fact follow the plan they gave me yesterday. I switched on their analog signal around 6:00 this morning and it was gone, as was the digital signal on ch 59. I then scanned the DTV receiver and it re-acquired it on ch 28. Reception of KCET looks very encouraging indeed. It was coming in at a steady 100%; it used to fluctuate between about 15% and 75%, and seldom, if ever reached 100%. I did not notice changes with any other stations yet.

KNBC analog still on at 6:03. Have to go to work soon , so I guess I will miss it. KABC does say noon on their website.

UPDATE: KNBC just announced 11:30am

It looks like KNBC is delaying their ending of analog transmission by 5 1/2 hours from the original 6:00 am scheduled. I checked the analog broadcast early this morning, expecting it to have been terminated. KABC apparently will be sticking to their original noon schedule.

KCET's signal on 28 is improved from what I have seen at home, though at the office it is a bit weaker. However, the lower UHF frequencies don't do as well with the antenna 6" off the ground here.

Is it my imagination or is Channel 8 now coming in a little stronger?

Maybe they wanted to put up their best appearance with everyone set to rescan. (Their programming still sucks)

Did KCET 28 announce anything before throwing the switch? I was watching 56 KDOC at midnight and in mid sentence about some wonderful pizza maker I'm supposed to buy, the picture was gone and they had a slide announcing that analog was gone.

Is it my imagination or is Channel 8 now coming in a little stronger?

They must've invested in a new hamster to run on the wheel that powers the transmitter.

But seriously ... kind of weird weather conditions today that might be affecting things. I'll still be interested in what happens to 8 when its neighbors on either side are digital instead of analog.

Academically speaking of course. I can't see myself actually watching them.

KCET just threw the switch. In my days in network TV we would have put up a 'super' to alert viewers or even a caption and have the live booth announcer do a voice-over. Not at KCET Charlie Rose and his guest were unceremoniously cut off without warning.

Yeah, I flipped through KCET 28 analog around midnight and was surprised to not at least see a crawl telling me they were going bye-bye.

I was in bed by 12:05 and didn't get to see the non-event.

KTTV FOX 11 and KCOP My13 will be making the switch after the FOX News at 11 p.m. on Channel 13… before midnight.

http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/entertainment/television/DTV_Switch

KCET just threw the switch. In my days in network TV we would have put up a 'super' to alert viewers or even a caption and have the live booth announcer do a voice-over. Not at KCET Charlie Rose and his guest were unceremoniously cut off without warning.

And to make it worse BOTH analog AND digital lost it since digital moved from physical 59 to physical 28 requiring a rescan for digital viewers to continue watching Charlie.

There goes KSCI. They are now on 18 for DTV. I think there was a brief slide before they ended analog, but I wasn't looking at it directly. I was recording it, so I will check later. Prior to that they had some crawls onto of the fitness infomercial they were playing at the time. At least they had "something."

22-26dB here in Tustin (4221 - 6" above ground), but there are plenty of "snags" in the signal, so I'm probably getting multi-path issues, etc.

i dont get kcls on 58 anymore, this was a good channel.
we are getting a lot of subchannels like 28.1 to 28.8, mostly useless stuff

i dont get kcls on 58 anymore, this was a good channel.
we are getting a lot of subchannels like 28.1 to 28.8, mostly useless stuff

Are you saying that they are not broadcasting? I'm still getting them on analog as well as digital. Analog is scheduled to go off at 3 PM.

Is anyone tracking KNBC? I can't get Low-VHF here at the office well enough to see much of anything. Well, they will be switching to a night-light, so it won't be much of an event, not signal-wise at least.

Next up on the schedule, after KNBC, is KABC at noon. Analog 7 is weak on the 4221, so I will be surprised if I can get it when they move DTV to 7.

Well KNBC's switch was a bit delayed--it took two minutes after the VP of engineering supposedly flipped the switch on camera before the main programming disappeared on 66-72MHz. On that channel now and for the next 30 days or so is the NAB loop.

i dont get kcls on 58 anymore, this was a good channel.
we are getting a lot of subchannels like 28.1 to 28.8, mostly useless stuffI couldn't get strong signal strength form KLCS digital in the past. Analog was watchable with some dots. Both were with the same DB2 bowtie antenna. I hope I can get it when they change channels (will check tomorrow after today's switches).

Note that KLCS isn't changing channels. They will remain on 41. They have an application for more power, which is still pending, however.

Note that KLCS isn't changing channels. They will remain on 41. They have an application for more power, which is still pending, however.Darn it! Oh well. I rarely watch that station anyways. :(

Well KNBC's switch was a bit delayed--it took two minutes after the VP of engineering supposedly flipped the switch on camera before the main programming disappeared on 66-72MHz. On that channel now and for the next 30 days or so is the NAB loop.

Yep ... that was weird.

"The end of digital broadcasting in LA, in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

and that's it. No more analog."

Except that I was still watching him on analog.

Go figure.

Yep ... that was weird.

"The end of digital broadcasting in LA, in 3 ... 2 ... 1 ...

and that's it. No more analog."

Except that I was still watching him on analog.

Go figure.

Did you notice he looked a little nervous after the analog didn't go away?
LOL!

KABC switched off analog 7. However, at least for the moment, DTV is on both 53 and 7.

However, as expected, I can't get a lock on DTV 7 with the 4221. I can see that it's there, but the SNR is around 12-15. That is quite a bit better than I expected, however.

Attached is a picture of the last second of analog on KABC, for posterity. :D

i was just watching 7 (KABC) on the analog side and they ad a countdown till they shut off. at the time of the shut off the picture went blank, got a white noise fora sec. then just a blank blue screen from my tv telling me that there is no signal on that station. it as cool to be there for that and witness an even t in
TV history

KABC7 made the switch as promised at 12:00noon.

They are now broadcasting in digital on both 7 and 53 (their old digital channel). I wonder how long this will continue?

Anyway, from OC digital on 7 is running 90% strong, compared to 53 which was 75%.

Little bit off-topic here, does anyone know the UHF remote link frequencies that the local stations use between the field and the studio?

In the past you could listen to these on a scanner radio. I would like to program these now that analog audio can't be heard on a scanner.

There goes KABC/53.

Though I would prefer UHF only, KABC would need to have done better than what they had on 53. I won't miss that paltry signal.

KXPN TV (Ion) is now dark on 30. Presume that happened at noon as they were on shortly before.

There goes KABC/53.

Though I would prefer UHF only, KABC would have had to have done better than what they had on 53. I won't miss that paltry signal.


I am very excited that 7.1 is now on VHF.


53 7.1 Signal strength = 71 signal to noise = 27 (Prior to turning of channel 53)
7 7.1 Signal strength = 100 signal to noise = 32 (new digital channel on VHF 7)

Now I am just waiting for FOX

Way to go ABC... no more drop outs / pixelation

Next on the schedule are KCBS & KCAL at 1:10pm. This will be more complicated than most.

Analog KCBS/2 is to become a nightlight. KCBS-DT/60 will move into KCAL/43's place. KCAL-DT/43 will move to 9.

KCAL has a program on about it now.

As with KNBC, I can't see what analog CBS/2 is doing from here.

Next on the schedule are KCBS & KCAL at 1:10pm. This will be more complicated than most.

Analog KCBS/2 HAS become a nightlight. KCBS-DT/60 will move into KCAL/43's place. KCAL-DT/43 will move to 9.

KCAL has a program on about it now.

As with KNBC, I can't see what analog CBS/2 is doing from here.



Corrected that for you.... analog 2 is now coming in horribly for me.. it must be on a night light now.


NBC Analog 4 is now rolling information about the DTV conversion in english followed by spanish. The power seems to be lower to... as my analog signal on this channel looked much clearer yesterday.

Corrected that for you.... analog 2 is now coming in horribly for me.. it must be on a night light now.

That's not what a nightlight is. 2 analog should still be, and should remain, at full power.

So, umm, did anyone see 30 go dark? Cause I missed it too.

That's not what a nightlight is. 2 analog should still be, and should remain, at full power.

So, umm, did anyone see 30 go dark? Cause I missed it too.

Well.. its nowhere near the power they were at this morning...

I can barely get any signal at all on channel 2. The audio is fine, but the picture is very snowy and rolling.

yesterday .. it was a good solid stable signal

KCAL said they would have a streaming video on their website from Mt. Wilson. However, I can't find it.

There it is:

http://cbs2.com/kcal/

The video isn't doing anything, however. Hopefully, we can watch it later.

I had set my Tivo S3 to record AMC on OTA ch 7.1 at Noon, and sure enough at the 12:06 pm mark the show and the recording simply and unceremoniously went black and the Tivo is now searching for a signal. I re-scanned at 12:30pm and it found the new 7.1 but there is no guide data yet - it just says "To Be Announced" for the next couple of weeks :p"

In the Tivo channel list settings menu, the old DTV channel was listed as 7.1 KABCDT and after the re-scan, the new 7.1 channel is listed as 7.1 KABC-DT on the next line so it looks like they're adding the dash to differentiate between the old and new versions. That will make it easier to delete the correct channels from the list tomorrow after i do a full re-scan. I'm pretty sure that i'll also have to create all new Season Passes for the OTA channels to replace my old ones since the old channels will no longer be available and it will record a black screen. This is going to be fun :D

Are they planning on increasing power output on the digital channels today? Anyone getting better reception? Would be nice if all the channels were easier to get.

Came a long way over the last 10 years. I remember when the Tonight Show was the only HD program you could watch.

KCAL said they would have a streaming video on their website from Mt. Wilson. However, I can't find it.

There it is:

http://cbs2.com/kcal/

The video isn't doing anything, however. Hopefully, we can watch it later.

Found it here--hurry two minutes to go!
http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/36789/5m/cbslocalimg.dayport.com/htm/DayPortCBSPlayer.html?categoryID=71,102,72,73,101,104,96,77, 86,95,80,69,90,89,92,98,99,100,108,193,192&limit=10&articleID=8861@kcbs.dayport.com&adInsertionInterval=2&bannerAdConDefID=29&defaultPreviewImage=http%3A//cdn.dayport.com/vlnimg/img/PartnerPlayer/samplepreviewimage.jpg&domain=kcbs.dayport.com&imageDomain=cdn.dayport.com/kcbsimg&limit_default=10&conDefID=9&videoAdObjectID=28&logoAdConDefID=8&logoAdObjDefID=27&hitboxAccountID=DM5307034JDN&hitboxDomain=cbs2.com&siteName=KCBS%20TV&callLetters=KCBS&isLiveStream=true&version=20071003

channel 9 (KCAL) analog just went out and i lost the digital channel

channel 9 (KCAL) analog just went out and i lost the digital channel

KCBS is now on 43.1

KCBS is now on 43 and KCAL is on 9. I can receive both on the 4221 here, so 9 is definitely better on the 4221 than 7.

KCBS/43 seems a bit weak, however.

KCAL/9: 22-24 - stable
KCBS/43: 20-23 - with some dropouts - KCAL/43 didn't have these problems earlier today. Hopefully, this is temporary.

I'm going to miss KCBS/60. That was a great signal, at least for my locations.

did a rescan and got the channel back

Next on the schedule are KCBS & KCAL at 1:10pm. This will be more complicated than most.

Analog KCBS/2 is to become a nightlight. KCBS-DT/60 will move into KCAL/43's place. KCAL-DT/43 will move to 9.

KCAL has a program on about it now.

As with KNBC, I can't see what analog CBS/2 is doing from here.I'm watching and recording The People's Court on ch 9.1 at 1:00 PM and it was on till the commercial break at 1:10pm, then after the Colgate commercial ended the CBS logo appeared in the bottom corner and some Soap Opera is on in it's place :) I just switched back to channel 2.1 and now it's just a black screen.

KNBCDT is still on (as of 1:18pm) so they must not have switched over yet. This is kinda fun but i gotta go back to work :(

KNBCDT is still on (as of 1:18pm) so they must not have switched over yet.

I meant to say as with KNBC earlier. They already went into nightlight mode. Since they are staying on 36, they should be done for the day.

Next up on the schedule from above is KLCS at 3pm. Then, it shows a gap until 10:45pm (KTLA). However, only 16 of 22 stations are on the list I have.

Channels 2, 4, 5, 7, 9 are all 85-95% here in Orange County. The biggest improvement was channel 7.

Right now, digital channel 65 (Fox 11) is about 80-95% but fluctuating, and 66 (KCOP 13) is 75% and fairly steady. I used to have a lot of multipath problems in December/January, but not so much as the weather got warmer. I'm looking forward to their switch to VHF tonight.

Question: Are VHF channels any less/more susceptible to multipath?

KCBS is now on 43 and KCAL is on 9. I can receive both on the 4221 here, so 9 is definitely better on the 4221 than 7.

KCBS/43 seems a bit weak, however.

KCAL/9: 22-24 - stable
KCBS/43: 20-23 - with some dropouts - KCAL/43 didn't have these problems earlier today. Hopefully, this is temporary.

I'm going to miss KCBS/60. That was a great signal, at least for my locations.


For me I am getting the same signal from 43 that i was getting from 60

the new 2.1 is coming in at 98 and s/n = 32 similar to when it was on channel 60 for me.

Channels 2, 4, 5, 7, 9 are all 85-95% here in Orange County. The biggest improvement was channel 7.



I am hoping to see a similar gain on Channel 11 tonight.

I am in Temecula, CA .... and I am getting 2.1, 4.1, 7.1, 9.1 all at 98 signal strength with S/N = 31 to 32!

I am hoping to see a similar gain on Channel 11 tonight.

I am in Temecula, CA .... and I am getting 2.1, 4.1, 7.1, 9.1 all at 98 signal strength with S/N = 31 to 32!

That's great. How was it before the switch?

Well.. its nowhere near the power they were at this morning...

I can barely get any signal at all on channel 2. The audio is fine, but the picture is very snowy and rolling.

yesterday .. it was a good solid stable signal



analog signal is back to normal. showing DTV informercial

That's great. How was it before the switch?

Signal strength/ Signal to noise
prior post
2.1 93/31 98/32 UHF
4.1 93/31 93/31 UHF
7.1 71/27 95/31 VHF
11.1 78/29 ??/?? SOON TO VHF I will update this tonight.

Are they planning on increasing power output on the digital channels today? Anyone getting better reception? Would be nice if all the channels were easier to get.

Came a long way over the last 10 years. I remember when the Tonight Show was the only HD program you could watch.

Some are, some aren't. Several are moving to different frequencies. Also keep in mind that reception will be easier in some cases because the interference from the analogs will be gone.

analog signal is back to normal. showing DTV informercial

Perhaps you were right then ... they may have powered down for some reason related to the transition.

By the way ... answering my own question (I thought I missed getting it on tape, but I got it) ... Channel 30 went to the Indian head test pattern and played the standard band version of the Star Spangled Banner. Out of phase, so people with mono TVs couldn't hear it. Then they shut the transmitter down halfway through the song.

That's entertainment.

Wow, you guys are having fun watching analog go away and digital channels switching! I am at work, so I don't get to enjoy them. :(

I hope everything goes smoothly before tomorrow so I can rescan on my computer, set up my Pal TV (or whatever it was called) converter box (yeah, waited until the last minute to hook up to my old CRT TV and VCR, maybe buy a new antenna if my DB2 bowtie doesn't do well (didn't work for KABC's channel 7 digital during its test a few months ago), etc.

Any video clips of the countdown and switches? I only saw the analog screen capture one. ;)

At the end of the day can someone put up what stations are broadcasting, what channels, vhf/uhf, etc. Keep up the great work today folks!

KCAL said they would have a streaming video on their website from Mt. Wilson. However, I can't find it.

There it is:

http://cbs2.com/kcal/

The video isn't doing anything, however. Hopefully, we can watch it later.

It was on .. and I did watch it...


It was *VERY* Informal.

What was funny is that the engineer guy swithed it over... and the reporter didn't even know until after the fact.

It was very anti-climatic . The engineer walked to a board pushed a switch, then some guy across the walkway through a "thumbs down" and the engineer walked to another board.. and pushed another button.

then reporter saw the tramistter lights were dark.. and asked the engineer what happend.... he told him they had already switched over.

At the end of the day can someone put up what stations are broadcasting, what channels, vhf/uhf, etc. Keep up the great work today folks!

Huh? We already know what that's going to be. Just enter LA into TVfool.com to get the straight poop.

The only question I have is what the low powers are going to do, and I don't think you're getting any of my low power stations in Ventura.

An observation ... 34 is waiting until 11:59 to vacate DTV 35. If I was the engineer at 62 (whose final assignment is 35), I think I'd be tearing my hair out.

Is it me or is this forum slow? Everyone visiting here for today? Teehee!

I am using a cheap indoor phillips antenna. Am not able to get all major channels. I live in a hilly area of LA. Here are the results from tvfool

tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d663db76f407166

Any recommendations for an outdoor antenna?

I am using a cheap indoor phillips antenna. Am not able to get all major channels. I live in a hilly area of LA. Here are the results from tvfool

tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d663db76f407166

Any recommendations for an outdoor antenna?

For all the channels including VHF-LO: Channel Master 3016 with Winegard HDP-269 pre-amp, installed as high as possible.

Analog if Finally Dead!

I am using a cheap indoor phillips antenna. Am not able to get all major channels. I live in a hilly area of LA. Here are the results from tvfool

tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d663db76f407166

Any recommendations for an outdoor antenna?

I take it you're on the *wrong* side of those hills? Can you see Mount Wilson from your rooftop?

I take it you're on the *wrong* side of those hills? Can you see Mount Wilson from your rooftop?

Yes, I am on the wrong side of the hills. Can't see Mt Wilson from the roof top. Maybe if I went 50 ft up I could see mt wilson :)

Yes, I am on the wrong side of the hills. Can't see Mt Wilson from the roof top. Maybe if I went 50 ft up I could see mt wilson :)

Are you behind a steep hill, or is it fairly gradual?

There goes analog KLCS/58. They had a brief slide-show at the end.

Are you behind a steep hill, or is it fairly gradual?

Fairly gradual. Plenty of valleys. If I walked up my street several homes, I could see mt wilson. The hill that blocks view of mt wilson is about 200 ft from my roof.

Analog if Finally Dead!

It if? Why doefn't fomebody tell me thif ftuff?

Fairly gradual. Plenty of valleys. If I walked up my street several homes, I could see mt wilson. The hill that blocks view of mt wilson is about 200 ft from my roof.

200 feet higher, or 200 feet horizontally?

Try this as an experiment. Go back to TVFool and enter your address. Where it asks for Antenna Height, increase this by 10 or 20 feet and see how the results change.

One thing I've found about TVFool is that it sometimes can't locate a street address properly...it might be off by a little bit. You could try running TVFool with the latitude and longitude coordinates of your house. Get your lat/lon here: http://www.getlatlon.com/

200 feet higher, or 200 feet horizontally?

Try this as an experiment. Go back to TVFool and enter your address. Where it asks for Antenna Height, increase this by 10 or 20 feet and see how the results change.

One thing I've found about TVFool is that it sometimes can't locate a street address properly...it might be off by a little bit. You could try running TVFool with the latitude and longitude coordinates of your house. Get your lat/lon here: http://www.getlatlon.com/

The key is to get your antenna up high enought so that the signal an flow over the hill and hit your antenna...

think about those wind tunnel tests of cars.. where the fog glides over the rear window.. but no all the way down to the trunk.. thats like the TV signal over the hills.

if your antenna is on the trunk.... no signal... but if you put up in the air higher.. say above the trunk.. you get signal.

Are you behind a steep hill, or is it fairly gradual?

200 feet higher, or 200 feet horizontally?

Try this as an experiment. Go back to TVFool and enter your address. Where it asks for Antenna Height, increase this by 10 or 20 feet and see how the results change.

One thing I've found about TVFool is that it sometimes can't locate a street address properly...it might be off by a little bit. You could try running TVFool with the latitude and longitude coordinates of your house. Get your lat/lon here: http://www.getlatlon.com/

200 ft horizontally

I have entered the lat/long and 20 ft antenna. here are the results
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d663d817892d6d1

200 ft horizontally

I have entered the lat/long and 20 ft antenna. here are the results
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d663d817892d6d1

I increased the antenna height to 30 ft, now I get LOS for some stations!
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d663d63ea8b0701

I increased the antenna height to 30 ft, now I get LOS for some stations!
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d663d63ea8b0701

My understanding of the TVFool antenna height is that it's measuring from ground level. So 20 or 30 feet isn't that bad. (somebody correct me if I'm wrong)

Where on your roof could you mount the antenna? Is there a high spot away from power lines? If you have an attic, it might be high enough you could experiment doing that first.

My understanding of the TVFool antenna height is that it's measuring from ground level. So 20 or 30 feet isn't that bad. (somebody correct me if I'm wrong)

Where on your roof could you mount the antenna? Is there a high spot away from power lines? If you have an attic, it might be high enough you could experiment doing that first.

I could mount it at the highest spot on the roof which is already 30 ft above ground level.
What antenna do you recommend? (BTW, thanks for your help!)

Well, I rescanned my tv to see if my VHF/UHF Terk Silver Sensor would be enough to pull in VHF-hi channels 7 and 9. KCAL-9 locked in no problem but KABC-7 remained elusive. I almost gave up but decided to move the antenna base around. Rotated the antenna 90 degrees, crossed my fingers and rescanned. Every English speaking station (the only ones I'm interested in) locked and loaded.

I guess I should expect KTTV-11 and KCOP-13 to lock in later tonight with little problem, right? I mean wouldn't KABC -7 be the hardest VHF-hi channel to pull or do I have it back asswards?

I guess I should expect KTTV-11 and KCOP-13 to lock in later tonight with little problem, right? I mean wouldn't KABC -7 be the hardest VHF-hi channel to pull or do I have it back asswards?

Every situation is different, so there's no way to know what's going to happen with your particular setup until it happens. Good luck.

KABC switched off analog 7. However, at least for the moment, DTV is on both 53 and 7.

However, as expected, I can't get a lock on DTV 7 with the 4221. I can see that it's there, but the SNR is around 12-15. That is quite a bit better than I expected, however.

Attached is a picture of the last second of analog on KABC, for posterity. :D

Try replacing the 20" wide reflector on your 4221 with a 36" wide reflector. I purchased a 25' roll of the 1x2 screen, and I've swapped out reflectors on half-a-dozen 4221's here in El Lay. The wider reflector was all that was needed to receive vhf-hi channels with a 4221, and, this afternoon, all the modified 4221 are receiving KABC-DT.

For non-4221 4-bays, where replacing the existing reflector is more than a 5 minute job, I attached horizontal 36" rods to the existing reflector using small U-bolts. It's not as elegant as replacing the reflector, but it also works.

I increased the antenna height to 30 ft, now I get LOS for some stations!
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d663d63ea8b0701

I live in Anaheim behind a hill so I depend on one edge diffraction to receive all the stations. My signal levels are a lot lower than yours yet I can reliably receive all stations. You just need a high gain VHF/UHF antenna and a preamp and you should be good to go.

There goes analog KLCS/58. They had a brief slide-show at the end.

Here in Lake Forest, I have now lost KLCS digtal completely, was getting it 90% of the time before! I have also lost KSCI digital which was in about 75% of the time before today. But I am so far getting all the channels I really want for OTA reception.

Something still seems to be wrong with KCBS/43. I will re-check when I get home, but the signal is all over the place. It's ranging from 5-20dB right now with constant dropouts.

Since I had no problems with KCAL/43 this is a surprise, since I thought it was going to be on the same antenna.

KDOC/56 has turned off their "mini-nightlight."

Analog if Finally Dead!"if"? :D

Something still seems to be wrong with KCBS/43. I will re-check when I get home, but the signal is all over the place. It's ranging from 5-20dB right now with constant dropouts.

Since I had no problems with KCAL/43 this is a surprise, since I thought it was going to be on the same antenna.
Yeah. KCBS/43 is indeed all over the place. Traffic outside is effecting my signal which never occurred when KCAL was at 43. Weird.

Channel 7 is coming in weak and the signal drops out every few seconds. I'm running a CM 2016 hooked to a CM3418 amplifier that connects to two tv and two insignia converter boxes. Anyone experiencing the same thing? I'm able to pick 9 clearly with a strong signal, and up until yesterday I was picking up analog 7 with no problem, but with the switch I'm getting no signal for 7.

I could mount it at the highest spot on the roof which is already 30 ft above ground level.
What antenna do you recommend? (BTW, thanks for your help!)

Sounds like you're in good shape then.

Personally, I don't think it matters which antenna you buy, as long as it's mounted as high as possible and is designed for VHF *and* UHF. The latter is very important too...some antennas are VHF or UHF only.

As I recall, you're 10 or 15 miles from Mount Wilson, so range isn't an issue. Try shopping for antennas at Fry's Electronics.

Don't pay more than $50. Channel Master and Winegard are good brands. It doesn't need to be a huge antenna either.

Here's my tv fool data
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/1769/radardigital2.th.png (http://img268.imageshack.us/i/radardigital2.png/)

I have the antenna pointed in a 35 degree angle towards Mount Wilson.

I called the KABC station and told me to call their 866 hotline. A rep there told me by midnight the signal should come in at full power. Anyone else not getting the signal on various rescans?

Channel 7 is coming in weak and the signal drops out every few seconds. I'm running a CM 2016 hooked to a CM3418 amplifier that connects to two tv and two insignia converter boxes. Anyone experiencing the same thing? I'm able to pick 9 clearly with a strong signal, and up until yesterday I was picking up analog 7 with no problem, but with the switch I'm getting no signal for 7.

Where are you located? Did you get KABC before the switch? You can overload the receivers easily. Try it without the preamp.

yeah, I'm receiving KABC-DT now at over a hundred miles away in San Diego.

Sounds like you're in good shape then.

Personally, I don't think it matters which antenna you buy, as long as it's mounted as high as possible and is designed for VHF *and* UHF. The latter is very important too...some antennas are VHF or UHF only.

As I recall, you're 10 or 15 miles from Mount Wilson, so range isn't an issue. Try shopping for antennas at Fry's Electronics.

Don't pay more than $50. Channel Master and Winegard are good brands. It doesn't need to be a huge antenna either.

Thanks! I am off to fry's...

KBEH-TV 63 signs off at 7pm. They have had a countdown clock running all day by the looks of it.

Where are you located? Did you get KABC before the switch? You can overload the receivers easily. Try it without the preamp.

Here's the tvfool data:

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/1769/radardigital2.th.png (http://img268.imageshack.us/i/radardigital2.png/)

I'm located in the 90018 area. I was getting 7 no problem up until today. I don't run a pre-amp but an amplifier switch.

Yeah. KCBS/43 is indeed all over the place. Traffic outside is effecting my signal which never occurred when KCAL was at 43. Weird.

I'm trying to call KCBS, but I keep getting cut-off.

7 remains much weaker than 9 here. I tried an HDTVi and didn't have any more success than I've had with the 4221. I also tried a newer 4221HD, just to see and no dice.

Thanks! I am off to fry's...I might be trying this Fry's antenna tomorrow - crows have damaged a friend's old roof antenna and she's been having a hard time pulling in the digital stations for the past few weeks and i'm going over to either repair it or hopefully just replace it.

http://www.frys.com/product/2570111?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

Note that KLCS isn't changing channels. They will remain on 41. They have an application for more power, which is still pending, however.

according to titantv for me zipcode 91006, KLCS is on 58.
KLCSDTPBS 58.1

Barney & FriendsAirplanes and Boats
(TVY)

Rick Steves' Europe
Denmark
(TVG)

WorldFocus

Antiques Roadshow
Bismarck, Part 1
(TVG)

Travelscope
Zambia Bush Adventure
(TVG)

KLCSDT2PBS 58.2

Franny's Feet
A Pirate's Treasure
(TVY)

Zula Patrol
Dog Gone Gorga; The Milky Way Galaxy Games
(TVG)

George Shrinks
Journey to the Center of the Garden
(TVY)

Sheira & Loli's Dittydoodle Works
Sacrifice

Make Way for Noddy
Mr. Plod's Little Problem; Noddy and the Missing Muffins
(TVY)

The Berenstain Bears
The Birthday Boy; Go to Camp
(TVY)

KLCSDT3PBS 58.3

Travelscope
New Brunswick
(TVG)

P. Allen Smith's Garden Home
Color Inside and Out
(TVG)

This Old House
Weston Project, Part 9 of 16
(TVG)

American Woodshop
Kitchen Benches and Garden Benches
(TVG)

Cultivating Life
Rain
(TVG)

Sewing with Nancy
Already Cut, Ready to Quilt, Part 2
(TVG)

KLCSDT4PBS 58.4

Middle School Biology
Biodiversity: The Web of Life

Cracking the Code
Microscopes and Mutants

Eye Wonder II
Penguins

Connect with English
Review

English Composition Writing for an Audience
Critical Thinking
(TVG)

GED Connection
Themes in U.S. History
(TVG)


May be i have to change antenna. I will also look at what tvfool says...

tvfool says i cant get klcs without roof top antenna, too bad...

KBEH-TV 63 went dark at 7pm as planned. Powered back up after a few seconds with nightlight caption info pertinent to their station plus the DTV Answers/NAB nightlight video also being run by CBS 2 and NBC 4

Here's my tv fool data
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/1769/radardigital2.th.png (http://img268.imageshack.us/i/radardigital2.png/)

I have the antenna pointed in a 35 degree angle towards Mount Wilson.

I called the KABC station and told me to call their 866 hotline. A rep there told me by midnight the signal should come in at full power. Anyone else not getting the signal on various rescans?

perfect reception of 7.1 etc in South OC

I'm trying to call KCBS, but I keep getting cut-off.

7 remains much weaker than 9 here. I tried an HDTVi and didn't have any more success than I've had with the 4221. I also tried a newer 4221HD, just to see and no dice.
I was hovering around 3-4 out of "bars" (out of 10) on my Samsung earlier and KCBS/43 was breaking up alot. KCBS is now up to 9 "bars" so maybe they cranked the wattage up. It's definitely more stable but who knows, maybe by daybreak tomorrow it'll go wonky again. We shall see.

Here's the tvfool data:

http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/1769/radardigital2.th.png (http://img268.imageshack.us/i/radardigital2.png/)

I'm located in the 90018 area. I was getting 7 no problem up until today. I don't run a pre-amp but an amplifier switch.


There's something really wrong if you can't receive it in your area. You might clear out all of the old scan info and rescan. Not sure if your tuners just add or totally rescan. If you have a mode to add channels, the box might be confused. Do a totaly rescan.

There's something really wrong if you can't receive it in your area. You might clear out all of the old scan info and rescan. Not sure if your tuners just add or totally rescan. If you have a mode to add channels, the box might be confused. Do a totaly rescan.
Tried that numerous times already. The picture comes in and breaks up on the converter boxes and on the hd samsung crt, it doesn't pick it up on re-scan and the toshiba lcd says signal is too weak.

[patiently waits until midnight so he can do a rescan] I think I will check KTLA 5 news' countdown during 10 PM PDT hour. Hehe.

[patiently waits until midnight so he can do a rescan]

Gee, you're no fun. :D

Tried that numerous times already. The picture comes in and breaks up on the converter boxes and on the hd samsung crt, it doesn't pick it up on re-scan and the toshiba lcd says signal is too weak.

Where is your antenna mounted?

The first thing I would do is start isolating one TV / converter box from ALL other electronics in your house. Turn off other gadgets one-by-one and see if that makes a difference. Basically anything that has a battery or uses electricity.

Then bypass the amplifier and connect to one TV/converter box directly. Any difference now?

If your antenna is permanently mounted, try rotating it 5 degrees +/- in either direction. (in other words, just barely rotate it) If you use an indoor antenna, move it somewhere else and test again.

You need to determine whether your equipment has problems, or if there are interference problems in or near your house. That's why this is necessary.

Good luck.

Gee, you're no fun. :D:P You guys do it for me. ;) So how many channels/stations left? I noticed KTLA, KOCE, etc. are still showing on old ones. Still can't get the old 58.1

One more question. Do you live near a police station or within eyesight of a radio tower?

You know the LoJack system that police use to find stolen cars? It operates on 173.075 MHz. Channel 7 uses 174-180 MHz. There are documented cases of LoJack causing interference on TV channel 7, although I first heard about this many years ago.

I have no idea what this means for DTV, if anything. Just something you might consider.

KTLA is doing the switch in about 40 minutes (10:45 PM PDT). I took screen captures (http://bayimg.com/image/paahkaacp.jpg -- 5 MB) of the interview on Mt. Wilson. Cool interior! Just switch it already. :P

Since these tranmitters are all in the same area on Mt. Wilson, isn't this a bad idea if something bad happens like a fire? Do these stations have backup transmitters?

KCBs, KABC, KCAL, KSCI and KCET are all strong and stable here after their frequency changes. KCET so far seems to dramatically improved now that they are on ch 28 instead of 59. The signal remains strong at all times, with none of the "roller coaster" fluctualions with frequent cutting out as before. It looks like the only remaining moves now are KTTV, KCOP and KMEX which will take place tonight. There are still a lot of stations that have not turned off their analog transmitters yet, however.

...Still can't get the old 58.1

Haven't they shut off their analog transmitter?

KCBs, KABC, KCAL, KSCI and KCET are all strong and stable here after their frequency changes. KCET so far seems to dramatically improved now that they are on ch 28 instead of 59. The signal remains strong at all times, with none of the "roller coaster" fluctualions with frequent cutting out as before. It looks like the only remaining moves now are KTTV, KCOP and KMEX which will take place tonight. There are still a lot of stations that have not turned off their analog transmitters yet, however.You forgot KTLA to do its own in about 20 minutes. ;)

The Spanish stations certainly are pumping out every last bit of analog juice they can according to FCC rules aren't they? It's almost like they have the most to lose (and they do).

Haven't they shut off their analog transmitter?Oh you're right. I just checked my old CRT TV without the digital converter box.

KTLA is showing history of Chambers (wow, he's really old now) and then soon the switch!

LOL Chamber almost flip the switch before going to commercials. He is too excited to do it.

He shut down the analog. I was expecting and digital channels to change, but then I forgot KTLA doesn't change its digital channel. DOH!

I attached a screen capture of the shutdown and TVs going static. ;)

Yeah, saw KTLA-TV (5-0) go to snow on my Samsung LCD; switched to KTLA-DT 5-1 (31-1) to see the celebration in the KTLA studios.

Wow! the first television channel in Los Angeles 74 to 82 MHz is now silent

according to titantv for me zipcode 91006, KLCS is on 58.
KLCSDTPBS 58.1

58 is the virtual digital channel, not the real digital channel (41). Until today, none of the full power stations had the same virtual channel as the real channel locally. Most will not be returning to their analog channels.

KTLA was added to the nightlight list, but all I see right now is snow, but it's quite noisy snow that's for sure.

It was nice to see that KTLA had a long program about the end to analog. I just wish that they didn't make it seem that digital was new and "untested," when many of us have been watching it for years. No mention of UHF/31 vs. VHF that I heard. This was all for show...

Well, at least they don't have to act like digital doesn't exist yet anymore.

I hope they don't nightlight. We already have 2 and 4 doing this, 22 is supposed to switch to a nightlight as well. I think one would have been plenty.

Edit: Bah, there's the nightlight! ...they started it in Spanish too.

Yeah, saw KTLA-TV (5-0) go to snow on my Samsung LCD; switched to KTLA-DT 5-1 (31-1) to see the celebration in the KTLA studios.Heh, I had both analog and digital at once. I laughed watching the unclear analog picture go 100% static. :D Did anyone notice that old PC (blue text DOS GUI?) they used? Heh. I enjoyed looking at their stuff in HD. ;) Also, it's loud and noisy in that place. It reminds me of server and lab rooms!

I still have analog channels 2, 4, 11, 13, and 50 left for the stations I care. Are they supposed to shut down by 13th's midnight PDT? Hurry up and shut those analog channels down! :D

VHF-5 now in nightlight mode.

Any late word yet on channels 40, 44, 54, and 62? Can't find any info regarding their shutoff times.

Any late word yet on channels 40, 44, 54, and 62? Can't find any info regarding their shutoff times.

I predict that they will all be gone within the hour. :D

No, I have not seen any times for these stations. We will have to wait and see.

Kftr46 shutting off @ 11:27, followed by koce50 @ 11:30, kvea52/kwhy22 @ 11:35, kttv11/kcop13 @ 11:45, and kmex34 @ 11:59.

Adios KFTR/46... They went out with a film reel countdown.

KOCE/50... no fanfare... went out mid performance of some violinist.

KWHY/22... straight to the NAB loop and nightlight mode.

KVEA/52... all ready gone, missed it.

KFTR was a couple minutes late and only had brief info. KOCE had no crawls or warning at all, they just went straight to snow.

KVEA52 went out 5 minutes ahead of time. More coming up...

Well KOCE rather rudely just yanked their signal on 50 in the middle of a musical violin concert with no warning whatsoever. Let's see what the other stations do at the top of the hour. I will be monitoring Fox 11/13

KWHY just entered nightlight mode.

KWHY 22 made the switch at 2333, this one was a nightlight.

KXLA/44 is gone.

KMEX/34 just had a shot of the control room talking about the switch, I assume. My Spanish is horrible. :)

KTTV/11's analog is gradually getting worse and worse. Should I call the station and complain? :D

We haven't had any DTV channel changes in a while now (ok, a number of hours!), but a bunch are at the end, including KTTV (65>11), KCOP (66>13), KMEX (35>34) and KRCA(68>35), though I wonder if KRCA is ready to move to 35 right away.

I don't know when KTBN will move to 33.

KBEH1/63 is also running a nightlight. As a low-power booster above 51, can they stay on past midnight?

What about the Home Shopping Network on 67, are they allowed also?

KJLA-57 went off around 11.30 pm enabling low-power K55KD which is on 57 out of Van Nuys to be seen here.

Whoa ... LA, meet KNLA-LD, now appearing in blur-o-vision on DTV channel 50, mapped to 20-1.

I've just BARELY got a solid lock on them on my best tuner here in Tustin.

kttv analog and kcop analog are no more

11:55 pm, and 11, 13, 34, 40, 54 and 62 are still on with regular programming. The suspense is killing me. AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH! ;)

Edit: Note to self - type faster.

KTTV and KCOP went a few minutes early, just straight to snow, no warning.

KTTV/11 and KCOP/13 gone with zero fanfare.

Aaaaand finally KMEX/34 is doing a retrospective like KTLA.

It's official. All stations are out. I repeat, all stations have made the switch!

The rest of the full power analog stations are gone. KBEH1/63 is still on, so we have 5 nightlights. I guess they are exempt.

Yeah that is how I missed 11/13 demise, by looking at the 34 history. Well now it's over. GOODBYE ANALOG!

In addition to the 4 full power nightlights, I can still receive the following analog LP stations:

6, 25, 27, 33, 45, 57, 63 (LP nightlight), 67, 69

I wonder how long those above 51 will be around before they get booted by the new spectrum owners. I also wonder how long the others will remain on analog if pass-through and other devices are needed to continue receiving them. Perhaps a few will only watch these channels now, however.

So, 13 analog channels remain for now, at least where I'm at.

Whoa ... LA, meet KNLA-LD, now appearing in blur-o-vision on DTV channel 50, mapped to 20-1.

I've just BARELY got a solid lock on them on my best tuner here in Tustin.
Got a lock here in Anaheim Hills with my Pio TV and a cheap indoor antenna. Signal strength is only 26 though.