...Also, is there now programming on KBEH 63-4?

- Trip

Yes, there is Spanish language programming on both of those subchannels.

As of now, KCOP is operating at increased power on ch13. Please try a re-scan to see if your reception of KCOP-DT has improved.

Thanks.

dtv4u

As of now, KCOP is operating at increased power on ch13. Please try a re-scan to see if your reception of KCOP-DT has improved.

Thanks.

dtv4u


Yes, KCOP is somewhat stronger now. It is running around 75%, compared to about 65% before. By comparison, I am reading KTTV at 65% at present. In any case, reception of both stations has been very solid here since they moved to VHF last year. Still, this should help others who have been having trouble receiving KCOP.

7.1, 9.1, 11.1 and 13.1 all above 90% this morning here.

Analog 45 (KLAU ?) has been coming in loud and clear the past couple of days after a long absence.

It appears that KLAU's next long absence has begun. If a low power analog transmitter showing infomercials falls in the woods ...

As of now, KCOP is operating at increased power on ch13. Please try a re-scan to see if your reception of KCOP-DT has improved.

dtv4u

I appreciate the extra power. I no longer get picture interference when I turn on my new microwave oven. I probed the oven with a portable radio and discovered EMI was coming from the control panel. Filters on the power cord didn't help.

It appears that KLAU's next long absence has begun. If a low power analog transmitter showing infomercials falls in the woods ...


Interestingly, I have not seen KSKJ recently on ch 45 either.

As of now, KCOP is operating at increased power on ch13. Please try a re-scan to see if your reception of KCOP-DT has improved.

Thanks.

dtv4u

Any idea if the build-outs of KTTV and KCOP to their 115+ kW Construction Permits is on track or when it might be completed?

The required new antennas are on order. They are very long lead items. We hope to have them up around June.

The required new antennas are on order. They are very long lead items. We hope to have them up around June.

Those two stations will be VHF blow-torches (compared to almost every other VHF stations) once the new installation is complete!

Those two stations will be VHF blow-torches (compared to almost every other VHF stations) once the new installation is complete!

Hopefully, it will encourage KABC/7 to do something. They have an app in for 28.7kW, but I would like to see much more or have them move to another channel. KCAL/9 has been much better so some reason despite having the same listed power and also being circular.

It will be interesting to see how 11 & 13 improve with the new antennas, but I still don't expect them to compete with the top UHF stations, when looking at my analyzer results now.

Analog 45 (KLAU ?) has been coming in loud and clear the past couple of days after a long absence.

It looks like it's gone again. I just wish they would make up their minds.

What is it now, 10 times going dark since June? :rolleyes:

As of now, KCOP is operating at increased power on ch13. Please try a re-scan to see if your reception of KCOP-DT has improved.

No difference in 90804. It's still very touchy to receive and prone to frequent drop outs. For the record, KCOP-DT has always been worst performer on the VHF side of things. Runners-up include KTTV and KABC . KCAL has always been rock solid.

Why you don't want to be changing antennas in the middle of Winter,
"A Day on Mt Wilson".....watch out for the "Headache":
http://www.televisionbroadcast.com/article/93554
"Fresh snow from the night before provides traction where before there was ice."
Can you imagine what it was like further North????? And even after
the ice melts, it's still too cold to work....safely.....

Remember when the stupid politicians were finally convinced (kicking and screaming)
to move the DTV Transition date from Feb to June2009????
All they cared about was avoiding Super Bowl & March Madness...

Why you don't want to be changing antennas in the middle of Winter,
"A Day on Mt Wilson".....watch out for the "Headache":
http://www.televisionbroadcast.com/article/93554
"Fresh snow from the night before provides traction where before there was ice."
Can you imagine what it was like further North????? And even after
the ice melts, it's still too cold to work....safely.....

Remember when the stupid politicians were finally convinced (kicking and screaming)
to move the DTV Transition date from Feb to June2009????
All they cared about was avoiding Super Bowl & March Madness...Wow, kudos to those hard workers to keep our TV tranmissions flowing!

All four VHF stations have always been rock solid at 91344 ever since the transition last June. Both KABC and KCAL have a signal strength of 100%, and, at present, KTTV and KCOP are both around 65%. As I have said before, prior to the transition, KTTV could only be received during favorable weather conditions, and even then it would often break up too badly to even be watchable. And KCOP could never be received. VHF is much better at bending around obstructions due to the longer wavelengths, and it is also less affected by unfavorable weather.

Hopefully the folks in Northen Orange county (Yorba Linda) could help out. Actually anyone jump in. I have a CM 4308 UHF only antenna and I want to pick up the VHF channels I lost during the transition. Since I have good luck, I would like to possible stick with the CM brand but was wondering if there is a better option. I want to keep the antenna as small as possible and feel a directional one would be the best.

Anyone got an opinion of what I should swap my 4308 out to get similar reception for a Yorba Linda Based location.

Hopefully the folks in Northen Orange county (Yorba Linda) could help out. Actually anyone jump in. I have a CM 4308 UHF only antenna and I want to pick up the VHF channels I lost during the transition. Since I have good luck, I would like to possible stick with the CM brand but was wondering if there is a better option. I want to keep the antenna as small as possible and feel a directional one would be the best.

Anyone got an opinion of what I should swap my 4308 out to get similar reception for a Yorba Linda Based location.

I live next to Canyon Honda. If you don't mind sharing the pole, you can add a VHF-HI antenna such as a Y5-7-13 and combine the UHF and VHF signals with a UVSJ signal combiner.

I live next to Canyon Honda. If you don't mind sharing the pole, you can add a VHF-HI antenna such as a Y5-7-13 and combine the UHF and VHF signals with a UVSJ signal combiner.

The Winegard YA1713 weighs only 3 pounds.

I live real close to Weir Canyon Honda. Thanks for the info, but boy that one looks rather large. I am in a HOA so I want to try and keep things small. I doubt I could keep it as small as the CM 4308, but I don't want something with a 5 foot span.

Are all options that large. I do have a preamp hooked into my 4308

RCA ANT751 is about 30-in long and 28-in wide, much shorter than
W-G Y-5-7-13....but somewhat lower gain. Use UVSJ w CM4308 for UHF.
Specs for Ch7-69 should be similar to W-G HD7000R, except width
is only 28-in after elements were shortened to eliminate Ch2-6:
http://www.winegarddirect.com/pdf/HD7000R.pdf

A-D C5 is an even smaller, medium gain Hi-VHF antenna.

Obviously, bigger is better.....and it is very difficult to predict Hi-VHF....

Relative order from highest to lowest Hi-VHF Gain:
WG YA1713 or Y-10-7-13 (10-element Hi-VHF LogYagi or Yagi)
Hi-VHF Loop with either Loop or Screen Reflector (Hi-VHF only)
Y-5-7-13 (5-element Hi-VHF Yagi)
ANT751 (aka EZHD) (4-el Hi-VHF LogYagi + UHF Yagi)
M4 Super-4Bay w Reflector (9.5x9.0 Hi-VHF & UHF)
A-D C5 (Hi-VHF only)
Hi-VHF Loop (Hi-VHF only)
M4 Super-4Bay w/o Reflector (9.5x9.0 Hi-VHF & UHF)
RabbitEar/Loop (VHF & UHF)

BTW: A-D C5 fell short of A-D's spec numbers in tballister's On-Air test:
http://www.antennahacks.com/Comparisons/N-Bay_VHF_Shootout.htm

I live real close to Weir Canyon Honda. Thanks for the info, but boy that one looks rather large. I am in a HOA so I want to try and keep things small. I doubt I could keep it as small as the CM 4308, but I don't want something with a 5 foot span.

Are all options that large. I do have a preamp hooked into my 4308

The Y5-7-13 is about 60 inches long but when mounted, only 41.5 inches extends towards the front while 18.5 inches extends toward the rear. The front length is less than your CM 4308 so it shouldn't appear any larger than your UHF antenna. And, yes, if you want directionality, the antenna must be large.

The Winegard GS2200 with wing has the characteristics you are looking for in an antenna. Check their website. For VHF you would look to mount it lower.

So I recently ordered Time Warner Cable Internet only and am getting Cable channels as well. I was wondering if there is a guide out there somewhere that will tell me what channels are what, since I have a bunch of 94-9 and 99-1 channels?

Thanks

So I recently ordered Time Warner Cable Internet only and am getting Cable channels as well. I was wondering if there is a guide out there somewhere that will tell me what channels are what, since I have a bunch of 94-9 and 99-1 channels?

Thanks

Check the Time Warner Cable thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=2720543#post2720543

So I recently ordered Time Warner Cable Internet only and am getting Cable channels as well. I was wondering if there is a guide out there somewhere that will tell me what channels are what, since I have a bunch of 94-9 and 99-1 channels?

Thanks

There is no accurate guide. Best one is here:

http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels_us


If you want to post a better one, feel free to do it. Basically the problem is that those clear QAM channels come and go. Plus, they get shuffled around so it is not unusual for that unencrypted channel to appear on a different number every few months or even weeks. Lastly the numbering implementation varies between tv brands so you might have something on 94-9, while mine would be 94.8. I know my tv dumps all the scrambled/nopicture channels in its memory, so I have to skip through probably a hundred a blank channels when using CHANNEL UP or CHANNEL DOWN. Point is the implementation of QAM is a big PITA.

On the OTA scene, I noticed 63.4 now has a TVA logo (whatever that means) onscreen.

Wondering if there are any websites for Custom TV Antennas. Build it yourself, or kits.

Wondering if there are any websites for Custom TV Antennas. Build it yourself, or kits.

You can check out the ARRL publications. The Radio Amateur's Handbook has some information on antenna design and construction. Even better is The A.R.R.L. Antenna Book, which is devoted to the subject.

Keep in mind that the designs discussed will be for other frequencies, but it will be a simple matter to scale the designs to the desired frequencies. As for antenna types suitable for VHF and UHF, concentrate primarily on Yagi and Quad designs. There is also a hybrid "Quagi" design.

These antennas are normally designed for optimum performance on one specific frequency, where they should be very good, but performance will drop off as you move away from that frequency. Designing an antenna for an extended band, especially a wide one like the UHF TV band would probably be extremely involved, and involving a lot of testing and tweaking. You would be better off buying one of the available off-the-shelf models. Such antennas are, of course, compromises. For that reason, homemade antennas should be excellent where one is interested in one particular problem station, since they would be able to outperform a broadband commercial model.

Wondering if there are any websites for Custom TV Antennas. Build it yourself, or kits.
On this forum there is a DIY UHF Antenna thread and the Official AVS Antenna thread.
The fol. is the motherload of knowledge for DIY DTV Antennas:
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=186
And you can click on the "ANTENNA SIMULATION STUDIES" link below...

On this forum there is a DIY UHF Antenna thread and the Official AVS Antenna thread.
The fol. is the motherload of knowledge for DIY DTV Antennas:
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=186
And you can click on the "ANTENNA SIMULATION STUDIES" link below...

The above website describes a UHF Gray Hoverman antenna that looks similar to what is offered at: summitsource.com

The part number is: Super G 1483

Thanks for the info...

The above website describes a UHF Gray Hoverman antenna that looks similar to what is offered at: summitsource.com

The part number is: Super G 1483

The G1483 is a G-H variant.

Does anyone know of websites that blog on the subject? What channels can be received? And AM/FM Radio for news.

You can Google "free to air" or "FTA" to find that info, such as:
http://www.gosatellite.com/
http://www.bigdish.info/ Includes link to 4DTV FORUM:
http://www.satforums.com/

Fol. website tries to track sat usage world-wide but may be difficult
to navigate, esp since you have to know which formats are compatible
which your equipment(s):
http://www.lyngsat.com/
http://www.lyngsat.com/tracker/america.html
http://www.lyngsat.com/headlines.html

Reportedly "FREE" TV and Radio via SAT (may still require a suitable decoder):
http://www.lyngsat.com/freetv/North-America.html
http://www.lyngsat.com/freeradio/index.html
I doubt you'll be able to receive those with Digicypher encryption...

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I'm not sure what you meant by AM/FM News.....
You can search for internet radio stations (these are NOT all-inclusive):
http://www.ontheradio.net/
http://www.radioguide.fm/
http://www.shoutcast.com/
http://www.windowsmedia.com/radioui/home.aspx
And/or Google your favorite radio callsign and see if they have an I-N feed....

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There are only a few HD channels viewable via HD "FTA SAT" equipment.
But you have to subscribe (not free).....list per BigDish may be out-of-date:

HBO East (1080i) G9(G13) 118 c-band
HBO West (1080i) G9(G13) 120 c-band
Starz East (1080i) G9(G13) 122 c-band
Showtime West (1080i) G0(G10) 120 c-band
Starz West (1080i) G9(G13) 124 c-band
Discovery HD Theater (1080i) C3(AMC11) 617 c-band
NETV HD (PBS) (1080i) ??? c-band [where??? AMC21??]

My guess is that 99% of the people who install FTA systems do it for pirating encrypted feeds. At least for people in the U.S., there are very few who would be interested in just the channels that broadcast in the clear.

Only interested in unencrypted signals. Using the appropriate dish for free to air. And, local AM/FM Signals. Thanks for the information.

Not getting sound. Am getting sound on other stations. Anyone else having this problem?

Same here.

KVCR have finally switched up to full 720p HD on 24.1 from their previous 'boxed' HD up-converted signal.

24.2 continues with an SD widescreen feed of 24.1 - that is to say not 'center cut'.

FOX 11.3 (transmitted by KAZA) is back, with what appears to be a messed up HD 'up-convert' picture - I can change the aspect ratio on my Zenith CECB set-top.

KVCR have finally switched up to full 720p HD on 24.1 from their previous 'boxed' HD up-converted signal.



Yes, I noticed that last night too. Very glad to see this, finally!

The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim just announced all 25 KCOP televised games will be in High Definition. First time ever! :)

The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim just announced all 25 KCOP televised games will be in High Definition. First time ever! :)

That's good news! FSN and Prime Ticket are already doing Angels' and Dodgers' games in HD.

Now if we can just get KDOC to televise Anaheim Ducks in HD...all the major sports in LA will be in High Definition for all of their telecasts! FS West/Prime Ticket have done a wonderful job in getting all these sports into HD.

Topics merged.

The Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim just announced all 25 KCOP televised games will be in High Definition. First time ever! :)

It's about time!

As for KDOC, I don't see it happening, since they dropped HD a while back so they could host a bunch of encrypted Sezmi channels.

As for KDOC, I don't see it happening, since they dropped HD a while back so they could host a bunch of encrypted Sezmi channels.


It seems that Sezmi may become a serious threat to good quality, free OTA TV. Since KDOC made this change, the PQ has been terrible.

It seems that Sezmi may become a serious threat to good quality, free OTA TV. Since KDOC made this change, the PQ has been terrible.

KOCE has pretty deplorable PQ too and they too are leasing bits and bytes to Sezmi.

Coming in fine here. Don't believe Sezmi is a serious threat to OTA. A serious threat will be the FCC Study to change to wireless broadband for the spectrum. Will be investigating Free to Air Satellite this year. i.e. TBN Glorystar.

KOCE has pretty deplorable PQ too and they too are leasing bits and bytes to Sezmi.

I agree. KOCE has always had about the worst pixellation on 50.1 of any station in the LA area. Also, the PQ is very soft for a 1080i signal; it doesn't even look as good as 720p on some other stations. The existence of three SD subchannels alone cannot easily explain the poor PQ. It seems likely that Sezmi is to blame

I agree. KOCE has always had about the worst pixellation on 50.1 of any station in the LA area. Also, the PQ is very soft for a 1080i signal; it doesn't even look as good as 720p on some other stations. The existence of three SD subchannels alone cannot easily explain the poor PQ. It seems likely that Sezmi is to blame

All they did was pull the SD sub that was 50-4 and replace it with Sezmi. Those bits were never available for the HD in the first place.

- Trip

To Retired Engineer. Thought about moving the preamp closer to the antenna and adding an inline signal amplfiier. Would like to try working on VHF, so starting with rabbit ears amplified on good condition days. Not interested in spending much right now to see where OTA television is going.

Do anyone have a recent TSReader report for comparison?

The one on RabbitEars is dated Nov2009 (prior to Sezmi), showing HD was 10.24 Mbps
out of 90 Mbps "max allocated" (hence Stat Mux was operating in Variable Bit Rate mode,
stealing bits as necessary for HD).

Don't know Stat Mux algorithm details, but IF highly compressed Sezmi streams have
fewer bits to "spare", wouldn't they have fewer to "steal"???

I doubt the Sezmi data is statmuxed with the rest of the stream. Doesn't make sense for Sezmi to lease anything other than a fixed amount of bandwidth from the station.

I noticed that WCETV digital 31.8 is broadcasting their stream live on the internet. Any other local station doing that? I think I have seen a KNBC 4.4 stream before and an unauthorized KTTV stream, but that is about it.

http://www.wcetvdigital.com/ch31_2010/watching31.asp

The one on RabbitEars is dated Nov2009 (prior to Sezmi),

Er, that capture has Sezmi data in it.

- Trip

KLAU-LP (analog 45) has apparently obtained yet another hamster to power their transmitter. I give him until Tuesday.



UPDATE: Hamster died sometime between 6:30 and 7:30 this morning. RIP.

KLAU-LP (analog 45) has apparently obtained yet another hamster to power their transmitter. I give him until Tuesday.



UPDATE: Hamster died sometime between 6:30 and 7:30 this morning. RIP.

Haha, why do the powers that be at KLAU even try anymore? The only people looking for KLAU anymore (if ever, frankly) are those like narkspud seeing how long the chewing gum and bailing wire keep the transmitter lit.

KLAU does not have any FCC authority to transmit in analog. Could you be seeing KSKJ in the North San Fernando Valley in digital?

KLAU does not have any FCC authority to transmit in analog. Could you be seeing KSKJ in the North San Fernando Valley in digital?

Trust me. It's KLAU. I'm in Tustin. Central Orange County. I couldn't receive KSKJ in this location with an antenna the size of the blimp hangers.

KLAU has been running pretty much the same paid programming (when they're on the air) since well before the digital transition. And the signal, when it's there, is rock solid.

It's absolutely, positively KLAU, and if they're not authorized, then it's KLAU unauthorized.

I am also quite certain that narkspud must be seeing KLAU when it is on the air. KSKJ appears to have been out of operation for some time now. Interestingly, TVFool shows KSKJ's transmitter to be only 2.5 miles from my location, at an azimuth of 112°, although the "studio" location is given as Van Nuys. This would place the transmitter near the Van Norman Lakes, and close to the split between the 405 and 5 freeways.

I recall that KLAU-LP frequently has its call sign in the upper right hand corner which further removes any lingering doubt. Next time I see it, I will try to get a cap of it.

Attached is a cap from last month, which didn't show the call sign.

I recall that KLAU-LP frequently has its call sign in the upper right hand corner which further removes any lingering doubt. Next time I see it, I will try to get a cap of it.

Attached is a cap from last month, which didn't show the call sign.

Call sign's been gone for a while. Which, if their license has expired, certainly makes sense.

I base my ID-ing of them on two factors:
(1) Same exact programming as when they did have the ID up (other than the Llovio Ford, which was a relatively recent addition).
(2) At my location with the signal strength I'm getting, it can't be anybody else.

Can you say "Pirate broadcaster?"

I hate to ask this because I'm going to sound "noobie" but why not? :)

Is there anything "different" about the KNBC 4.1's ATSC broadcast signal? I ask because I've recently set up my own HTPC DVR with a USB 2.0 ATSC tuner. I am using Windows 7 Media Center and all of the local channels are received and display perfectly -- except for Channel 4.1. The computer is struggling to display it correctly (choppy, dropping frames, etc.).

This could easily be dismissed as "bad reception" but my reception for the station is around 90% (as are some of my other stations which display fine). This looks like a codec issue of some kind. Do they use a different codec? Or are they just like any other station and, well, it really is a reception issue for me -- which would surprise me since I am in the Alhambra area of the San Gabriel Valley and quite close to Mount Wilson transmitters. I am using a Zenith Silver Sensor antenna.

Thanks for enduring my question. ;)

Last week for no reason I can figure I lost my OAT channel 2.1 and 4.1 signals. I still get 5.1 and 28.1 (I never got 7.1, 9.1, 11.1, or 13.1).

I am in a fringe area but I have an 8' UHF antenna with preamp. Previously reception according to my Dish tuner was 100%. I have rescanned several times without success.

I hate to ask this because I'm going to sound "noobie" but why not? :)

Is there anything "different" about the KNBC 4.1's ATSC broadcast signal? I ask because I've recently set up my own HTPC DVR with a USB 2.0 ATSC tuner. I am using Windows 7 Media Center and all of the local channels are received and display perfectly -- except for Channel 4.1. The computer is struggling to display it correctly (choppy, dropping frames, etc.).
...
;)

No, I do not think your question is a "noobie" one at all.

I do not see any changes in KNBC's signal. I think that the problem might be related to the fact that KNBC is carrying a full 1080i signal on 4.1 plus two SD subchannels. It may be that this just makes too heavy a demand on your computer, or on your entire setup. It would be interesting to check KOCE 50 as well, which also carries a 1080i main channel and two SD subchannels, and see if you observe the same problems there.

I hate to ask this because I'm going to sound "noobie" but why not? :)

Is there anything "different" about the KNBC 4.1's ATSC broadcast signal? I ask because I've recently set up my own HTPC DVR with a USB 2.0 ATSC tuner. I am using Windows 7 Media Center and all of the local channels are received and display perfectly -- except for Channel 4.1. The computer is struggling to display it correctly (choppy, dropping frames, etc.).

Thanks for enduring my question. ;)

Reception problems on a single channel is usually due to too much multipath. Try moving your Silver Sensor antenna to a different location.

Another possibilty is that there is radio frequency interference that happens to be strongest at the channel used by 4.1. Again you can try moving your antenna to see if that makes a difference.

Atrac if you're in a fringe area like a canyon using refraction the channels 2.1 and 4.1 have less power at the transmitting station then the other channels. Go to Antennapoint.com for power. They will drift out during the warmer days, and drift back in when there is more cool air at the receiving antenna. They will come back during favorable conditions. Middle of the night, early morning. So, just change what you watch, or when you watch.

Was for GGA. Will try to edit the post later. My mistake. Not for Atrac.

Thank you for the responses. I did not have a lot of time last night to do much tweaking, but I can say that I did check KOCE 50.1 as HarrisonS suggested and it did the *exact* same thing. The video was quite jerky but the audio was fine (as it is on Channel 4.1).

The machine I am using is a Dell Zino HD and it only has a ATI 3200 graphics card. But interestingly enough I also have a Acer Revo with Nvidia Ion graphics and it handles both channels fine using the same USB 2.0 Tuner.

I guess I have my answer and it's the video chipset choking on 1080I. :(

The transmitter is on but no-one's home!

Day three of KBEH 63 transmitting NOTHING but PSIP info.

'Carrier' but no program on any of its channels.

The transmitter is on but no-one's home!

Day three of KBEH 63 transmitting NOTHING but PSIP info.

'Carrier' but no program on any of its channels.

I was picking KBEH down here in San Diego. Only my Samsung tv was showing a picture. My Samsung dtv-260h tuner, or dtt-901 box are not showing anything (no audio/video) even though the quality meter shows a few bars.

I am seeing the same thing here. KBEH is strong, showing 100% signal strength, but there is no picture on any subchannel..not even an empty raster. I suppose they are going to have a whopping electric bill, too, with nothing to show for it!

KBEH63 uses physical channel 24. I see programming on 24.1 thru 24.4 so apparently it not mapping to the virtual channels 63.1 to 63.4

KBEH63 uses physical channel 24. I see programming on 24.1 thru 24.4 so apparently it not mapping to the virtual channels 63.1 to 63.4

You are most likely seeing KVCR, which also has 4 subchannels. It transmits on ch 26 and maps to ch 24.

I thought this is a worthy note to local event that's been with us for for a while. Other than the fact that the race takes a new course for the first time on portions outside the city of Los Angeles, advertised as the "Stadium to the Sea", it's also KTLA's first time as host broadcaster for the XXV Los Angeles Marathon and they did something right unlike KNBC 4 and KCOP 13 in previous years; KTLA is broadcasting the LA Marathon in full HD, everything from the studio, stationary remotes, helicopter, and even the motorcycle remote cams.

I am sitting in the control room now. How does it it look?

I am sitting in the control room now. How does it it look?

nice and clean :eek:

You are most likely seeing KVCR, which also has 4 subchannels. It transmits on ch 26 and maps to ch 24.

I can't receive KVCR at my location. When I tune 24.1, the program info at the top left says, 'KBEH programming.'

I can't receive KVCR at my location. When I tune 24.1, the program info at the top left says, 'KBEH programming.'

He's not crazy. All four KBEH subchannels are decoding just dandy on my EyeTV Hybrid tuner stick, but coming up blank on all the other tuners in the house.

And yes, it's definitely KBEH, with MTV Tres on 63-1.

Weird.

UPDATE: I recorded a bit of the 63-1 stream, and MediaInfo is reporting its video standard as "Component" rather than the usual "NTSC." There sure do seem to be a lot of ways to screw up a transport stream!

Anyone else notice an improvement in reception of channels 11 and 13 in the last week or two? Previously they were both iffy during the day, and almost always unwatchable at night, but recently both are locked in day and night. I thought it might be the warmer weather, but then I know there are plans to up the transmit power with these stations. So I am wondering if anyone else is getting a better signal these days, and if so, might know the reason.

Can anyone recommend a good VHF Antenna for the inland empire region? I cant get any channels from 2-13 and only channels 24.x over the air with the antenna I have. It can be an outside boom type or a good indoor type.

If you post a link to your TVFool results (http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29) then a better recommendation can be given.

Is it me or is KCBS2 feed bad last night/tonight? :(

Is it me or is KCBS2 feed bad last night/tonight? :(


It was perfectly OK in south Orange County

It was perfectly OK in south Orange CountyThanks. Must be my side then in 91745... Hmm!

Can anyone recommend a good VHF Antenna for the inland empire region? I cant get any channels from 2-13 and only channels 24.x over the air with the antenna I have. It can be an outside boom type or a good indoor type.


Get the outside boom type, since it will be much better. For VHF, I would recommend the Winegard YA-1713. It looks like you need to upgrade your UHF as well, since chs. 2, 4 and 5 are actually on UHF chs. 43, 36 and 31 respectively. These are all strong, and you should be able to pick them up easily with a good outdoor UHF antenna.

Can anyone recommend a good VHF Antenna for the inland empire region? I cant get any channels from 2-13 and only channels 24.x over the air with the antenna I have. It can be an outside boom type or a good indoor type.

This setup works well for me in N. SD County. This is the Winegard 9095 UHF above the YA1713 (modified mount) with an 8275 preamp. The 9095 has a connection on it for a VHF antenna input so it was easy to add the VHF antenna. The 1713 was $38 at Amazon when I bought it and weighs only 3 pounds.

Anyone else notice an improvement in reception of channels 11 and 13 in the last week or two?
I've noticed an improvement in Long Beach. KTTV has been notoriously finicky but it was solid over the weekend up to last night. I know KCOP has finished their power increase and it has been better as of late.

My channel 4.1 has improved to as good as my other channels. Not sure what changed, but last night's "Chuck" recorded for me with none of the anomalies that I previously described. And when I checked it live, it was fine too.

I'm not going to touch anything now and enjoy all of my channels!

A question I've been meaning to ask the caucus but it keeps slipping my mind ...

Is KFLA-LD still there?

I haven't gotten a signal from them in ages, and although this has not altered my life in any significant way, it's still a little unusual.

Their signal has never been what you'd call reliable at my location, but I've never had such a long stretch of getting absolutely nothing whatsoever. Any news?

Someone in the HDTV Technical forum has been building antennas and has a long thread going about his attempts to catch KFLA-LD, and he's decoded it recently, so it's still there.

- Trip

Checking out the analog "stalwarts" of 27, 57 & 67, I noticed that 67 had a brief "PSA" about looking for its digital channel in the 20.x range. See attached. This message seems to be repeating at the top of each hour. I missed capturing it at 7pm, but got it at 8.

They have applied for another 6 month extension to stay on 67:

http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/prefill_and_display.pl?Application_id=1359713&Service=TX&Form_id=911&Facility_id=60026

but, I would imagine they can't stay there indefinitely. Oh, the irony of "needing" to auction more channels when only 55 has been made use of so far out of 52-69. Perhaps LTE will appear by year's end, but who knows about Public Safety?

If the STA isn't granted, the current authorization for 67 will expire on 4/5.

67 (KHTV-LP) has been on 20-3 for some time. Physical channel 50. KNLA-LD.

KNLA-LD also relays KNLA-LP (27) on 20-1, KNET-CA (25) on 20-2 and a paid-program-a-palooza, ID'd as "CORNERSTORE," on 20-4.

6 (KSFV-CA) and 57 (K55KD or K57KF, depending on whether you believe the FCC database or the station's own IDs) are the only two functioning analogs that AFAIK still can't be found on digital in LA.

For the purposes of this discussion, I don't consider KLAU-LP's brief monthly (probably unlicensed) appearances as "functioning."

Checking out the analog "stalwarts" of 27, 57 & 67, I noticed that 67 had a brief "PSA" about looking for its digital channel in the 20.x range. See attached. This message seems to be repeating at the top of each hour. I missed capturing it at 7pm, but got it at 8.

They have applied for another 6 month extension to stay on 67:

http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/prefill_and_display.pl?Application_id=1359713&Service=TX&Form_id=911&Facility_id=60026

but, I would imagine they can't stay there indefinitely. Oh, the irony of "needing" to auction more channels when only 55 has been made use of so far out of 52-69. Perhaps LTE will appear by year's end, but who knows about Public Safety?

If the STA isn't granted, the current authorization for 67 will expire on 4/5.

Ch55 (MediaFlo) and Ch58 (unknown phone co) are both active....
And I didn't see any signals on any other channel from Ch52-69...within the beam of the antenna.

While at my son's house (N. of French Valley Airport near Murrieta) I hooked my new
DigiAir Pro Signal Level Meter to the attic antenna system (CM4228 w W-G AP8700 Preamp,
UVSJ and YA-1713 (no Preamp) for Hi-VHF), both pointed towards Mt Wilson (70-miles away).

Ch55 MediFlo was a very strong 72.6 dBuV (12.6 dBmV) and Ch58 (unknown phone co)
was also a very strong 69.6 dBuV, so they must have been VERY close & hence could be
a Preamp overload threat, depending on how close you might be to their local "cell tower",
which are scattered throughout the L.A. smog basin....

Ch27, Analog KZSW (10 KW at 5.3-miles) was a very strong 89.6 dBuV, blocking
reception of adjacent Ch26 (KVCR-DT PBS in San Bern.) and Ch28 (KCET-DT PBS).

Ch21, Analog KDUG-LP (5.5-miles away) has not been observed on the air for awhile now.

Ch12, Analog K12PO (KUSI, San Diego Analog Repeater, 1 KW at 2.6-miles) was a
very strong 72.0 dBuV, blocking reception of adjacent Ch11 (44.4 dBuV, KTTV-DT) and
Ch13 (40.8 dBuV, KCOP-DT). Very effective jammer in the Temecula/Murrieta area,
since it's located just North of the I15/I215 split.... When Digital, 0.3 kW might be worse....

Although we could "steer" the big Stacked Zig-Zag LPA in the attic to null out Ch12
to (just barely) receive Ch11, it was just too hot to tweak the YA-1713 last summer
and we've been waiting for the higher transmit levels to revisit the situation....
[I could get both with YA-1713 carefully hung on the pergola in the back yard.....]

=====================================
DigiAir Pro: I don't know if it's accurate w. strong adjacents, nor do I know sensitivity (no spec).
Noise on "unoccupied" channels is about 40 dBuV, so either that is the sensitivity level
for the DigiAir Pro....or it's the Intermod noise floor w AP8700 Preamp.
However, since I'm receiving KVEA-DT (46.8 dBuV) and KOCE-DT (44.2 dBuV),
the Intermod noise floor is probably BELOW 29 dBuV (-31 dBmV or -80 dBm)....
hence, 40 dBuV (-20 dBmV or -69 dBm) is the sensitivity level for (inexpensive) DigiAir Pro.
PS: I've seen "Cable" Signal Level Meters with 30 dBmV sensitivity ($600 and up) and Sencore
SLM 1476CM ($2000+) reaches ultimate sensitivity (15 dBuV or -94 dBm..their spec is wrong).

Can anyone in L.A get Analog Ch. 6 XETV in San Diego??

Can anyone in L.A get Analog Ch. 6 XETV in San Diego??

Extremely unlikely, since we have a low power analog 6 of our own, KSFV-CA.

Here in central Orange County, we do often get interference from XETV when watching KSFV. Not that we would ever watch it of course - it's a Spanish-language Christian "Franken-FM."

Extremely unlikely, since we have a low power analog 6 of our own, KSFV-CA.

Here in central Orange County, we do often get interference from XETV when watching KSFV. Not that we would ever watch it of course - it's a Spanish-language Christian "Franken-FM."

How far does KSFV-CA 6 go??

Can it be picked up from Van Nuys in the Valley with an indoor antanna

How far does KSFV-CA 6 go??

Can it be picked up from Van Nuys in the Valley with an indoor antanna

I can pick it up in the Granada Hills/Porter Ranch area, but I am using an outdoor antenna. There is very strong interference, however, and it makes it unwatchable here. I suspect that the interference is from analog XETV 6. In addition to analog chs 27, 57 and 67 mentioned by Falcon_77, I am picking up this station on ch 6 as well as KNET-CA on ch 25. Both are owned by Venture Technologies Group and both are in Spanish.

Interestingly, KSKJ-CA, formerly transmitting low-power analog on ch 45 has now gone digital. It is still on ch 45 (both real and virtual) and thus shows up as ch 45.1.

How far does KSFV-CA 6 go??

This far. (http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=80&q=call%3dksfv-ca) More or less. Looks like the answer for Van Nuys is "it depends." I wouldn't bank on an indoor antenna.

Please note that this is not exactly a "real" TV station. Most of the time they operate as an FM station (87.7 FM - which is analog TV 6's audio frequency, kind of) and the video is just still shots of Catholic-ey artwork.

Because they're running the audio at FM levels, it will be VERY loud on your TV.

If you have an FM radio with an analog tuner, why not try tuning all the way to the left and see if they're there?

Anyone else notice an improvement in reception of channels 11 and 13 in the last week or two? Previously they were both iffy during the day, and almost always unwatchable at night, but recently both are locked in day and night. I thought it might be the warmer weather, but then I know there are plans to up the transmit power with these stations. So I am wondering if anyone else is getting a better signal these days, and if so, might know the reason.

I just noticed all my channels got stronger and I couldn't figure out why, then it dawned on me. My roof has finally dried up. The damp roof was attenuating the TV signal to my attic mounted antenna. The sun is finally beating down on my north facing roof drying it out and improving my reception. :)

I just purchased a Channelmaster 3016 outside antenna. Living in Rancho Cucamonga 91739.
Can anyone suggest which way to point my antenna towards and is there a website to know this information? Sorry newbie.

I just purchased a Channelmaster 3016 outside antenna. Living in Rancho Cucamonga 91739.
Can anyone suggest which way to point my antenna towards and is there a website to know this information? Sorry newbie.

If you go to tvfool.com and enter your exact address and antenna height, you will get compass and magnetic directions for all local channels. Paste the link here on the forum so we can advise you. Your address will not show.

I just purchased a Channelmaster 3016 outside antenna. Living in Rancho Cucamonga 91739.
Can anyone suggest which way to point my antenna towards and is there a website to know this information? Sorry newbie.

If you're far enough north not to have LOS to Mt Wilson, you might be SOL as you're too deep in the shadow of the mountains.

Let's see your TVfool plot for a better idea....

If you're far enough north not to have LOS to Mt Wilson, you might be SOL as you're too deep in the shadow of the mountains.

Let's see your TVfool plot for a better idea....

Hooked up the 3016 yesterday at my outside patio. WOW, I received almost all stations except for channel 5. Channel 2 comes in and out but mostly out.
I have the antenna pointed west towards LA and about 18ft up from ground level.
Anything else I can do to get channel 2 and 5 better?

hipertec, you can try pointing your antenna to slightly different directions. You may not be pointing exactly at Mount Wilson.

whats the best way to find out what direction to point to Mt Wilson? the TVfool.com dont really tell me or I cant find out how.

If you put in your exact address into TVFool.com, the resulting table gives you pointing directions, both magnetic and true north, I believe. My previous post just suggested pointing the antenna around the directions given just to see if it makes a difference.

Hunt around....Location, Location, Location....and try different antenna heights....

whats the best way to find out what direction to point to Mt Wilson? the TVfool.com dont really tell me or I cant find out how.

I plugged your zip code into TVFool and got a pointing direction of 275 degrees. However, your biggest problem is that you don't have direct line-of-sight to Mt. Wilson, you are in the shadow.

As Holl_ands suggested, it's location, location, location. If you're lucky, you might find a location that gives you reliable reception.

KBEH has slain its gremlins, and should be visible on all ATSC tuners. Not just the excessively forgiving ones.

I just noticed all my channels got stronger and I couldn't figure out why, then it dawned on me. My roof has finally dried up. The damp roof was attenuating the TV signal to my attic mounted antenna. The sun is finally beating down on my north facing roof drying it out and improving my reception. :)Rain is coming again tomorrow and Wed. See how that goes. ;)

Does anyone know if the Chinese shows get broadcasted in high definition/HD in L.A. area? It seems like none of them are due to SD sizes. Thank you in advance. :(

Does anyone know if the Chinese shows get broadcasted in high definition/HD in L.A. area? It seems like none of them are due to SD sizes. Thank you in advance. :(

I don't believe there are any Chinese HD broadcasts. When I was in China recently I observed several Hotels that had widescreen TVs but only stretched SD material showing on them. I do not believe there are any digital or HD channels in Hong Kong or China. Thus any rebroadcast of them will be SD. Don't know about Taiwan.

Several years ago on Dish satellite there was an HD Kung Foo channel that often had movies that were in Chinese with English subtitles.

Rick R

I don't believe there are any Chinese HD broadcasts. When I was in China recently I observed several Hotels that had widescreen TVs but only stretched SD material showing on them. I do not believe there are any digital or HD channels in Hong Kong or China. Thus any rebroadcast of them will be SD. Don't know about Taiwan.

Several years ago on Dish satellite there was an HD Kung Foo channel that often had movies that were in Chinese with English subtitles.

Rick RI noticed the SD stretchings too and annoys me. Even for Korean places. I wonder if asians just don't care HD stuff.

Japan has HD as does Korea, China and Singapore. The last time I was in Korea I setup my Apple Macbook and the Elgato USB TV tuner stick and received many HD OTA channels. They use ATSC in Korea.

Japan has HD as does Korea, China and Singapore. The last time I was in Korea I setup my Apple Macbook and the Elgato USB TV tuner stick and received many HD OTA channels. They use ATSC in Korea.Interesting. Are their shows in HD in L.A. area?

I don't believe there are any Chinese HD broadcasts. When I was in China recently I observed several Hotels that had widescreen TVs but only stretched SD material showing on them. I do not believe there are any digital or HD channels in Hong Kong or China. Thus any rebroadcast of them will be SD. Don't know about Taiwan.

Several years ago on Dish satellite there was an HD Kung Foo channel that often had movies that were in Chinese with English subtitles.

Rick R
So far, we have not seen any HD Foreign Language OTA broadcasts in L.A...just SD.

There are a few Chinese HD and Korean HD channels on Big Ugly Dish (BUD) Satellite
(see 115.5 to 138-deg) but some might be too low on the horizon.
Click on the red "A" to see where originated and whether relayed to other SATs we CAN receive.
Many are encrypted to feed local Cable Headends. You'll have to check Foreign Language
offerings for your local cable provider, DirecTV, Dishnet and BUD:
http://www.lyngsat.com/hd/index.html
Incl CCTV-HD (China), CHC-HD (China), ATV-HD (Hong Kong)

OTA HD broadcasts in China began in 2005:
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200509/02/eng20050902_206132.html
Total via OTA (and many via SAT) is at least 12 HD channels:
http://blogs.rnw.nl/medianetwork/new-chinese-high-definition-tv-channels-launch-tomorrow
China developed what they believe is an even better OTA HD waveform for Mobile/Handheld:
http://www.tvtechnology.com/article/10892

Several years ago Taiwan had an ATSC transmitter(s) in the NW and DVB-T SFN (Single
Frequency Network) in the South...which was handy for OTA testing both products.
Taiwan is now all DVB-T, but 6 MHz bandwidth vs higher bit rate 7 & 8 MHz in parts of Europe.

Korea has OTA HD channels and will initiate SAT HD any month now.
But 20 Million Handheld/Mobile TV sets reportedly took a bite out of HDTV sales
(penetration last year was "only" 32%). Compare to U.S.: 35% Jul2008 and 53% Jul2009.

Technology choice for each country is here (click on map to blow up):
http://en.dtvstatus.net/
Additional info is here:
http://www.dvb.org/about_dvb/dvb_worldwide/index.xml
The downloadable spread sheet has some bare bones technical details under "Multiplex".
There can be other differences, esp. in choice of DVB-T audio and/or video coding,
degrading or preventing use of one tuner in another country...

So far, we have not seen any HD Foreign Language OTA broadcasts in L.A...just SD...Thanks. I wonder why no HD down here. I wonder if it is like this in other cities too for OTA in US. Obviously, not enough bandwidths on current stations like KSCI18/LA18.

Probably because a broadcaster would have to pay a Premium to
subscribe to the long-distance service & buy/lease the right equipment....
Cable & SAT systems actually have billing departments.....

So far, we have not seen any HD Foreign Language OTA broadcasts in L.A...just SD.

I realize that many people in LA don't consider Spanish to be a "foreign language", but the Spanish-language stations KMEX, KWHY and KVEA all claim to be broadcasting at least some HD programming (local news, at a minimum). I don't watch them myself because I don't understand Spanish, so I haven't verified their HD claim. But I suspect it's true.

I (and many others) would consider Spanish to be one of several languages that are NOT
considered "foreign" languages in SoCal....Stats indicate Hispanic population is about 50% in L.A.
BTW, the term "native" language should apply to the several languages spoken by "foreigners"
who initially came to SoCal tens of thousands of years earlier....

And, of course, Spanish predates English in Calif. and Florida by many, many years....
[I can't remember when English speaking settlers arrived in either CA or FL...post 1776???]

Original Q was wrt Asian languages, but FWIW, fol. Spanish language stations are HD in L.A.:
KWHY, KMEX, KFTR, KVEA [May vary through the day.....]
http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php

I didn't see any HD sub-channels among fol. Asian language stations:
KSCI, KVMD, KSMV, KXLA, KJLA & KRCA [May vary through the day.....]
But it's always possible for a HD program to pop up.....

I didn't see any HD sub-channels among fol. Asian language stations:
KSCI, KVMD, KSMV, KXLA, KJLA & KRCA [May vary through the day.....]
But it's always possible for a HD program to pop up.....

None of these stations have HD subchannels; all are 480i SD full time. Typically, they have a large number of subchannels, like 8-10, although KRCA has only three. With 8-10 subchannels, there would not be enough bandwidth to have a decent HD subchannel. I think that these Asian language (plus Armenian) channels may not have large enough audiences to finance their own dedicated stations capable of carrying HD. Instead, the must ride "piggy-back" on stations that carry lots of other subchannels.

Reason for no HD Asian broadcasts here is probably just because of economics. OTA Channel owners want as many tenants as possible. Hence, not enough bandwidth for HD. In turn subchannel broadcasters looking to make money, can only afford relatively low-cost programming. Only network that I could see broadcasting here in HD is the Hong Kong network TVB via satellite or cable. People are willing to pay for that channel because their drama series are very popular. Plus, TVB is one of only a few channels where they speak Cantonese. Right now, all the OTA channels are in Mandarin.

Oh no. There is now a 30-4, -5, -6, -7, and -8, ID'd as AirTV1, 2, 3, 4 and 5. All the tuners in the house are refusing to decode them, and EyeTV has a "$" indication meaning an encrypted paid service. Looks like Sezmi may have a competitor?

Meanwhile 30-1 is still attempting to transmit 720p with a new bitrate under 8 Mbps. Would you like to take a guess how it looks? 30-2 and 30-3 are blockyville too, although at around 3 Mbps, they should look better than they do.

I heard about something like that popping up on WPXN in New York but haven't yet been back in that area to look for it. I've heard nothing about it beyond that it exists on WPXN (and now KPXN).

When Falcon_77 returns to the area, I'll get him to grab some TSReader data on it.

- Trip

I wonder if asians just don't care HD stuff.

What an ignorant and racist comment.

So you already forgot that local and network broadcasters used to stretch some of their programs? And none of your white friends with a new HDTV watched SD content in stretch mode?

For one long-running Anime series in Japan, they occasionally remaster an old episode to HD. Not sure why they even bother with the old stuff, but new episodes have been broadcast in HD for 2 years now.

I have seen musical performances on YouTube from a couple years ago that were taken from a South Korean broadcast network which had HD in the logo. So, HD should be there as well.

When Falcon_77 returns to the area, I'll get him to grab some TSReader data on it.

- Trip

Too late. They've put things back the way they were.

Why is radio station krla simulcasting on 8-5 ?

Why is radio station krla simulcasting on 8-5 ?

Who says they need a reason? ;)

Too late. They've put things back the way they were.

Let's hope it stays that way!

KNLA-27 has a slide up around the half hour marks. My Spanish was never very good, so hopefully someone can translate. Maybe it just shows how to get them. At first, I thought it might be an analog end message, but perhaps not.

KNLA-27 has a slide up around the half hour marks. My Spanish was never very good, so hopefully someone can translate. Maybe it just shows how to get them. At first, I thought it might be an analog end message, but perhaps not.

OK, Let me try.
Starting 13 June you can tune to KNLA TV27 on digital channel 20, On DishTV or DirectTV on channel 20, or on regular antenna on channel 27

However, I don't see anything on the FCC filings to indicate that KNLA will be on DTV channel 20. Channel 20 in LA is reserved for Land Mobile services. The 13 June part makes me think this is an old message. Or maybe I need to back to school.

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?state=CA&call=&arn=&city=los+angeles&chan=&cha2=69&serv=&type=0&facid=&list=1&dist=&dlat2=&mlat2=&slat2=&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&size=9

OK, Let me try.


However, I don't see anything on the FCC filings to indicate that KNLA will be on DTV channel 20. Channel 20 in LA is reserved for Land Mobile services. The 13 June part makes me think this is an old message. Or maybe I need to back to school.

KNLA is on *virtual* channel 20-1. It has been for some time.

It's on physical channel 50.

KNLA is on *virtual* channel 20-1. It has been for some time.

It's on physical channel 50.

That is KNLA-LD. KNLA-LP is still transmitting analog on ch 27. I assume that the program content is the same on both (I can only get the analog station but never coulg receive anything on virtual 20.1). Judging from the announcement, KNLA-LP will upgrade to digital transmission on ch. 27, while the digital broadcasts will continue on virtual 20.1 as well.

Maybe this is a trend. KSKJ has already upgraded to digital on ch 45, and perhaps the remaining analog stations will also follow, one by one.

I am picking up a new station on ch 23.4, identified only as "AVX". There are no other subchannels. It is SD and seems to be in the Mandarin language.

I am picking up a new station on ch 23.4, identified only as "AVX". There are no other subchannels. It is SD and seems to be in the Mandarin language.

Just a strange mapping on the part of KJLA (57).

That 23.4 has been around since the beginning of February. Station programs are in Vietnamese.

LP 45 is baaaaaack! And today is NOT April 1st.

LP 45 is baaaaaack! And today is NOT April 1st.

KLAU-LP is risen! It is risen indeed!

No ID's, so the argument on whether it's really KLAU or not will continue. (It is.)

I'm tempted to actually order something. I bet they'd plotz. :D

Still dark, both 17 and construction permit going to 23.

I don't see any sign of analog 45 at the moment. Here again and gone again, huh?

I was hoping to record it to see if they put up something at the top of the hour. Oh well...

I was hoping to record it to see if they put up something at the top of the hour. Oh well...

They don't. It seems to be an unattended programming loop with no start times in particular. No IDs at all.

I sure am curious what their deal is. There's GOT to be a story here.

I sure am curious what their deal is. There's GOT to be a story here.

Well, maybe it's time the FCC looked into it...

Aaaaaaand they're back. That was unusually quick ....

Hi!

Odd. I just noticed my last Smallville episode HD and last Sunday's RoboCop HD movie recordings were only in stereo for their audios. What's going on? I saw a few of KTLA's commercials and its 10 PM news in 5.1 which are correct. What's up?

FYI:
Decoding chain:
(AC3 - 48000) -> Decoder -> (Linear PCM 3/2.1 (5.1) 48000) -> Processor -> (PCM16 2/0.1 (2.1) 48000) -> Dejitter -> (PCM16 2/0.1 (2.1) 48000)

Filters info (in order of processing):

Decoder:
Stream format: AC3 3/2.1 (5.1) 48000Hz
Bitstream type: byte stream
Frame size: 1536
Samples: 1536
Bitrate: 384kbps
SPDIF stream type: 0x1
Frame interval: 1536
Actual bitrate: 384kbps
AC3
speakers: 3/2.1 (5.1)
sample rate: 48000Hz
bitrate: 384kbps
stream: 8 bit
frame size: 1536 bytes
nsamples: 1536
bsid: 8
clev: -3.0dB (0.7071)
slev: -3.0dB (0.7071)
dialnorm: -27dB
bandwidth: 10kHz/18kHz

Processor:
(Linear PCM 3/2.1 (5.1) 48000) -> Input levels -> (Linear PCM 3/2.1 (5.1) 48000) -> Input cache -> (Linear PCM 3/2.1 (5.1) 48000) -> Mixer -> (Linear PCM 2/0.1 (2.1) 48000) -> SRC -> (Linear PCM 2/0.1 (2.1) 48000) -> Bass redirection -> (Linear PCM 2/0.1 (2.1) 48000) -> Equalizer -> (Linear PCM 2/0.1 (2.1) 48000) -> Dither -> (Linear PCM 2/0.1 (2.1) 48000) -> AGC -> (Linear PCM 2/0.1 (2.1) 48000) -> Delay -> (Linear PCM 2/0.1 (2.1) 48000) -> Output cache -> (Linear PCM 2/0.1 (2.1) 48000) -> Output levels -> (Linear PCM 2/0.1 (2.1) 48000) -> Linear->PCM converter -> (PCM16 2/0.1 (2.1) 48000)

Dejitter:
-

--

Video: MPEG2 Video 1920x1080 29.97fps 10787kbps [Video (ID 224 @ Prog# 0)]
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz 6ch 384kbps [AC3 (Lang : unknown, ID 189 @ Prog# 0)]
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz stereo 192kbps [AC3 (Lang : unknown, ID 189 @ Prog# 0)]

--

General
Complete name : G:\videos\recorded\TV\Smallville s9e16.mpg
Format : MPEG-PS
File size : 4.93 GiB
Duration : 1h 5mn
Overall bit rate : 10.8 Mbps

Video
ID : 224 (0xE0)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@High
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Default
Format_Settings_GOP : M=3, N=15
Duration : 1h 5mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 9 783 Kbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Standard : Component
Resolution : 8 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.157
Stream size : 4.48 GiB (91%)

Audio #1
ID : 128 (0x80)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Duration : 1h 5mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Video delay : -314ms
Stream size : 180 MiB (4%)

Audio #2
ID : 129 (0x81)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Duration : 1h 5mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Video delay : -402ms
Stream size : 89.9 MiB (2%)

Text #1
ID : 224 (0xE0)-608-1
Format : EIA-608
Muxing mode : MPEG Video / EIA-708
Muxing mode, more info : Muxed in Video #1
Stream size : 0.00 Byte (0%)

Text #2
ID : 224 (0xE0)-1
Format : EIA-708
Muxing mode : MPEG Video / EIA-708
Muxing mode, more info : Muxed in Video #1
Stream size : 0.00 Byte (0%)

Thank you in advance. :)

Smallville has always been 2.0 from the network since the WB days. Anything better was simply an upmix by the station.

Smallville has always been 2.0 from the network since the WB days. Anything better was simply an upmix by the station.Wow, what's up with that? What about their other shows and movies?

Aaaaaaand they're back.

Aaaaaaand they're gone again.

OK, I'm officially sick of providing the play-by-play for the KLAU fiasco. If they manage to keep the fool transmitter going for at least a consecutive week, I'll reconsider .......

Wow, what's up with that? What about their other shows and movies?
Most of the CW shows are 5.1. Movies can go either way depending on who made the movie, who distributed it, whether someone paid for a 5.1 mix on the network edit, etc.. Outside of big-budget primetime TV, sports, and premium movies, there's very little true 5.1 out there. While we're finally at a point where the majority of households have an HDTV, the number of people using a surround-sound setup is very much a minority. Even fewer of them actually care about a good surround mix instead of just seeing the pretty 5.1 light on their receiver turn on.

Most of the CW shows are 5.1. Movies can go either way depending on who made the movie, who distributed it, whether someone paid for a 5.1 mix on the network edit, etc.. Outside of big-budget primetime TV, sports, and premium movies, there's very little true 5.1 out there. While we're finally at a point where the majority of households have an HDTV, the number of people using a surround-sound setup is very much a minority. Even fewer of them actually care about a good surround mix instead of just seeing the pretty 5.1 light on their receiver turn on.Thanks. :)

The following are the links to a two part interview of Jim Goodmon, CEO of Capitol Broadcasting, by Broadcast Engineering Magazine. Jim Goodman was responsible for having the first digital HD television station back in 1996.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dvCwQ1ZAYs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFce7SNf9jw

He talks about former FCC Chairman Reed Hundt’s (Clinton administration) conscious decision to undercut TV broadcasting by purposely delaying the digital transition, and current Chairman Julius Genachowski’s academic mentor’s plan to use oppressive government regulation to eliminate broadcasting.

Also, an interesting article was posted 4/12/2010 on the TVNewsCheck web site.

http://www.tvnewscheck.com/articles/2010/04/12/daily.2/

It references an interview of Verizon CEO Ivan Seidenberg, which was given at a CFR general meeting.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/21834

Basic points:

1. Technology will make spectrum use more efficient. (4G, etc.)

2. Efficiency is market driven.

3. The cable industry has bought about 150 MHz over the last 10-15 years that they aren't using.

4. Verizon supporting reallocation of broadcast spectrum would be motivated by selfish self interest, not by need!

Please come join us on the official topic:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1216722

For those interested in acquiring a DTA-5000 Smart Antenna there is one on Craigs List (Los Angeles). Just search for DTA-5000.

SOLD

I don't know if this is good news or bad news. I'll just compromise and call it "Mediocre News." Apparently, there now is something worth watching on KFLA-LD. RTV was added to 8-3 a few days ago.

- Trip

Apparently, there now is something worth watching on KFLA-LD. RTV was added to 8-3 a few days ago.

The $64,000 question is can more than a handful of people actually get a lock on KFLA-LD? It hasn't appeared in Long Beach for me or friends of mine since, ever.

Most of the CW shows are 5.1. Movies can go either way depending on who made the movie, who distributed it, whether someone paid for a 5.1 mix on the network edit, etc.. Outside of big-budget primetime TV, sports, and premium movies, there's very little true 5.1 out there. While we're finally at a point where the majority of households have an HDTV, the number of people using a surround-sound setup is very much a minority. Even fewer of them actually care about a good surround mix instead of just seeing the pretty 5.1 light on their receiver turn on.I guess KTLA activated 5.1 mixxing for last night's Smallville episode. Maybe they read my e-mail about it last week. Hehe.

The $64,000 question is can more than a handful of people actually get a lock on KFLA-LD? It hasn't appeared in Long Beach for me or friends of mine since, ever.

They've definitely done something to their transmission pattern. I'd been getting regular locks on them here in central OC since they first fired up their digital transmitter, but it's been several months now since there's been any trace of them. Life has been so empty without them .........

And no, guys, it isn't the trees. :p

If you go to RabbitEars' website and look up the antenna radiation pattern for KFLA, you'll see two main lobes, one at 90 degrees and one at 200 degrees. The transmitter is located on Mt. Wilson and since I live towards the southeast I can't receive KFLA

If you go to RabbitEars' website and look up the antenna radiation pattern for KFLA, you'll see two main lobes, one at 90 degrees and one at 200 degrees. The transmitter is located on Mt. Wilson and since I live towards the southeast I can't receive KFLA

Aye, but that radiation pattern has looked like that for a long time, including back when I could get them. I'm in Tustin - more in the null than Anaheim is, and further away. And my biggest problem receiving KFLA used to be interference from KFMB in San Diego.

Hmmmm .... did KFMB boost power? Anybody know?

Hmmmm .... did KFMB boost power? Anybody know?

I don't see a covering license application for KFMB's power boost yet (from 14.9 to 19.8kW), but that won't be a big increase.

As for KFLA-LD, here is a reception report from one of the HTDV Technical threads:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=18503123#post18503123

Also, they want 22 vs. 8:

http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/prefill_and_display.pl?Application_id=1359933&Service=LD&Form_id=346&Facility_id=28566

KMRZ-69 > 30

Looking at other LP/LD stations, I found this application for KMRZ to resume operations on 30 (analog) after being displaced from 69 by public safety.

http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/prefill_and_display.pl?Application_id=1359756&Service=TX&Form_id=346&Facility_id=127901

It would seem like a good time to go digital instead...

I don't know how many people here watch these stations, but both KSCI/18 (18.1) and KFTR/29 (46.1) have filed licenses to cover for their maximized facilities recently, indicating they are now operational at the higher power levels:

KSCI: 700 vs. 111kW
http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/prefill_and_display.pl?Application_id=1363829&Service=DT&Form_id=2&Facility_id=35608

KFTR: 370 vs. 150kW
http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/prefill_and_display.pl?Application_id=1358693&Service=DT&Form_id=2&Facility_id=60549

Cannot get 18.1 now but 46.1 is showing NY-PHIL scoccer match with Spanish-speaking commentators.

A friend of mine has been unable to get KCOP/13 since the transition and I hooked up the analyzer to see what the problem was. Per the attached, there are large spikes in the signal, about 1MHz wide from 213-214 MHz. This does not appear to be random impulse noise as the pattern repeats about every 5 seconds, with about 1 second being noise-free.

The antenna is in the attic and a network cable bundle is close to it, so my best guess is that, but Cat 5 cabling (phone and Ethernet) shouldn't really be putting out this kind of noise, right?

A friend of mine has been unable to get KCOP/13 since the transition and I hooked up the analyzer to see what the problem was. Per the attached, there are large spikes in the signal, about 1MHz wide from 213-214 MHz. This does not appear to be random impulse noise as the pattern repeats about every 5 seconds, with about 1 second being noise-free.

The antenna is in the attic and a network cable bundle is close to it, so my best guess is that, but Cat 5 cabling (phone and Ethernet) shouldn't really be putting out this kind of noise, right?

Tune your SA down to half the RF-13 frequency and see if it's an illicit FM broadcast. Otherwise, it's probably something from very close-in since its about 20 dB higher than the TV signals.

You might try shutting off all devices (and maybe even power) in the home to see if the source can be isolated. If is not being generated in that home, a call to the local FCC field office would be in order. They don't have much of a sense of humor when it comes to interfering with a licensed broadcast signal.

Since you now have a target signal and good equipment, you might go on an RF "foxhunt".

Thank you for the tips. I don't think it would be FM as it's not a constant signal and flutters around and disappears entirely for about a second.

Shutting down power to the house would be a good thing to try.

I have the same type of dual RG-6, dual Cat 5's in my condo (about a mile from him) and I don't see interference like this. I also didn't see it at another house, less than half a mile away, with the same types of network cabling and another attic antenna.

A 5-sec rep rate sounds like the time it takes a radar dish to sweep through 360-deg.
Or a table-top fan to sweep back and forth.....

You might have a dirty connector somewhere along the coax downlead.
Or a new Preamp Intermodulation problem....
Or maybe it's "THEM"......

Hello. I was wondering if anyone here can not receive any of Channel 58's digital sub stations anymore, after the digital switch?

I was hoping to pull in 58.4 for an upcoming program.

I use to be able to get 58.1 some what reliably with the OLD! (80's? or 70's) (I can't find the booklet right now) antenna. But know I don't get it all.

I tried tuning it on the following D* receivers: HR10 250 HD Tivo and HR 200 100.

1. Does anyone else have the same problem? TIA.

Hello. I was wondering if anyone here can not receive any of Channel 58's digital sub stations anymore, after the digital switch?

On the air and coming in just fine.

The antenna is in the attic and a network cable bundle is close to it, so my best guess is that, but Cat 5 cabling (phone and Ethernet) shouldn't really be putting out this kind of noise, right?

It could be a PC that is radiating harmonics on the CAT 5 cable such as when it writing or reading data to/from the hard drive. It also could be the Router checking the network to see who is there or who is gone. Take your SA into the attic and sniff around. You may have to move the CAT 5 to a different location.

Hello. I was wondering if anyone here can not receive any of Channel 58's digital sub stations anymore, after the digital switch?

I was hoping to pull in 58.4 for an upcoming program.

I use to be able to get 58.1 some what reliably with the OLD! (80's? or 70's) (I can't find the booklet right now) antenna. But know I don't get it all.

I tried tuning it on the following D* receivers: HR10 250 HD Tivo and HR 200 100.

1. Does anyone else have the same problem? TIA.


The D* receivers require that you do a reset of the OTA channels, then download your local channel info. They do not do an actual scan of the RF spectrum for digital channels instead relying on downloaded data to tell the receiver where OTA digital channels "should" be. You are therefore at the mercy of Tribune Media Service to get accurate data.

Hello. I was wondering if anyone here can not receive any of Channel 58's digital sub stations anymore, after the digital switch?

I was hoping to pull in 58.4 for an upcoming program.

I use to be able to get 58.1 some what reliably with the OLD! (80's? or 70's) (I can't find the booklet right now) antenna. But know I don't get it all.



All four channels received here reliably on TiVo HD.

A 5-sec rep rate sounds like the time it takes a radar dish to sweep through 360-deg.
Or a table-top fan to sweep back and forth.....

You might have a dirty connector somewhere along the coax downlead.
Or a new Preamp Intermodulation problem....
Or maybe it's "THEM"......

There are no airports close-by and I think I would see the same thing if it was coming from the Santa Ana weather radar station. I'm not aware that he has any table top fans.

I put the SA before the pre-amp, at the antennas and the problem was still there, on both the VHF and the UHF antennas.

There is a cable bundle in between the two antennas, however, but it will need to be cut to be moved. Why the builder chose certain spots to run some of these cables in a mystery.

There are two servers in the house with two cable modems, so there is a good amt. of network traffic, but those are in the garage vs. the 3rd story (attic).

As for the last possibility... Hopefully, THEY would be smart enough not to use VHF. ;)

The $64,000 question is can more than a handful of people actually get a lock on KFLA-LD? It hasn't appeared in Long Beach for me or friends of mine since, ever.

I was not able to get this station clearly since the HDTV transition. The only way to get it was with a homebrew Yagi tuned for ch8 with 6 foot boom (pic attached). Then a surprise, about two weeks ago it came in very strong. My guess is they increased the output transmission. I am on the third floor LOA of MtWilson in Redondo Beach about 25 miles with copper tube horizontal rabbit ears (pic attached) in front of windows. Do a lot of people use it? I am not sure but maybe most people:
1) do not know it exists because of previous week signal output history.
2) are not rescanning channels to see any changes.
3) only seek out channels they had before the transition
You might rescan and see if you get it in Long Beach especially if you have LOA (Long Beach coverage pic attached). Here is what they are showing on KFLA. If this is worth your time then you can upgrade or adjust your hardware to tune it in.
Ch8.1 - business news - DeutchNews, Australian Business, local LA business
Ch8.2 - informercials
Ch8.3 - best part - bikini girls wrestling, Rockford Files, Emergency, Cowboy Westerns, old movies, motorcross, Goth girl show, Perry Mason, "I SPY" 1965 TV, lots of Detective shows - Adam 12
ch8.4 - infomercials in Spanish
ch 8.5 - oldies music 50s no video
They have a KFLA website with recommendations here:
Channel Master 3016 is our favorite. It works well, is easy to put up and is low cost (street price $28). If you live in a violet or purple area we our two favorite "deep fringe" antennas are the Channel Master 3671-B VHF/UHF Combo antenna (street price $110) and the Winegard YA1713 VHF only antenna (street price $40). The Winegard VHF only antenna is a great choice if you have a UHF only antenna and want to get the VHF stations too. Install the Winegard for VHF channels and use your existing antenna for UHF channels.

Another factor is tuner sensitivity for pulling this weak station in. Channel Master 7000 (which is still for sale at company website for $40) did much better than the RCA converter which is on my second TV about a 30% signal difference.

Hope this helps

Ch8.3 - best part - bikini girls wrestling,


Arrrrgghh!! They finally get some worthwhile quality programming, and now I can't get them. :mad:

There are no airports close-by and I think I would see the same thing if it was coming from the Santa Ana weather radar station. I'm not aware that he has any table top fans.

I have spent much of the last 29 years working for military contractors developing military electronics. Most of them had radars on site for testing. Airports are not your only worry.

Rick R

Does KTLA 5.2 ever show their movies in true HD? Just wondering.

I don't know how many people here watch these stations, but both KSCI/18 (18.1) and KFTR/29 (46.1) have filed licenses to cover for their maximized facilities recently, indicating they are now operational at the higher power levels:

KSCI: 700 vs. 111kW
http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/prefill_and_display.pl?Application_id=1363829&Service=DT&Form_id=2&Facility_id=35608Lots of asians, especially Chinese. :)

Does KTLA 5.2 ever show their movies in true HD? Just wondering.

No.

- Trip

Lots of asians, especially Chinese. :)

No idea what the breakdown is for KSCI, but there is only one dedicated Chinese sub-channel there. So, I would be surprised if the overwhelming majority of viewers for all those channels would be Chinese. I would be even more surprised if any of those Asians watched KFTR as my guess is that few of them would be interested in TeleFutura programming.

No.Thanks. :)

And is it me or does KTLA 5.2 show a lot of same movies (e.g., RoboCop series)?

And is it me or does KTLA 5.2 show a lot of same movies ?

Yes

YesHeh. I wonder if someone made a list of what KTLA 5.2 keeps showing repeatedly.

Heh. I wonder if someone made a list of what KTLA 5.2 keeps showing repeatedly.

Or you could check the various web listings. Wasn't it KTLA that aired the same movie each afternoon for a week at a time back in the early 70's?

I have noticed lately that KTLA 5.1 has been airing movies on weekend afternoons directly taken from THIS-TV's broadcast. You can tell because the movies are not great and always formatted 4:3. KTLA adds a solid black channel 5 id band directly over where the THIS logo would be while leaving the Los Angeles visible underneath.

I have noticed lately that KTLA 5.1 has been airing movies on weekend afternoons directly taken from THIS-TV's broadcast. You can tell because the movies are not great and always formatted 4:3. KTLA adds a solid black channel 5 id band directly over where the THIS logo would be while leaving the Los Angeles visible underneath.Lately like how long? Are you saying I wasn't watching a true HD movie of the first RoboCop movie back on Easter Sunday 2010? It wasn't even in 5.1 either. :(

No idea what the breakdown is for KSCI, but there is only one dedicated Chinese sub-channel there. So, I would be surprised if the overwhelming majority of viewers for all those channels would be Chinese. I would be even more surprised if any of those Asians watched KFTR as my guess is that few of them would be interested in TeleFutura programming.

There are also other language groups served: for example, 18.2 is Japanese and 18.5 is Armenian. I believe that there is also some Korean programming, but I do not know on which subchannel(s).

Or you could check the various web listings. Wasn't it KTLA that aired the same movie each afternoon for a week at a time back in the early 70's?


KTLA used to have weeks dedicated to showing different movies starring a particular actor. They might have a Humphrey Bogart week, or a W. C. Fields week, for example. But they showed different movies each night.

KTLA used to have weeks dedicated to showing different movies starring a particular actor. They might have a Humphrey Bogart week, or a W. C. Fields week, for example. But they showed different movies each night.

I understand that, but one of the LA indies did air the same movie 5 nights, or afternoons, in a row in the early 70's. I recall this because I realized how big a market LA was to be able to air the same movie in this manor reaching a different audience on successive days of the week.

Edit: The Los Angeles TV Guide for Sept 8-14, 1973 (page A-54) shows a KTLA ad for the Channel 5 Movie Theater showing of Trapeze Monday evening at 8 pm, with repeat airings at 8 pm Tuesday through Friday and a Sunday matinee at 2 pm.

Are you saying I wasn't watching a true HD movie of the first RoboCop movie back on Easter Sunday 2010?

If you couldn't tell, then what difference does it make? :rolleyes:

If you couldn't tell, then what difference does it make? :rolleyes:Well, it is an OLD movie and it looked good to me but KTLA cropping parts/adding black bars to make it look HD? It sure doesn't look SD (black borders).

Well, it is an OLD movie and it looked good to me but KTLA cropping parts/adding black bars to make it look HD? It sure doesn't look SD (black borders).

Black bars have nothing to do with whether it's HD or not.

I was in Burbank today, so I decided to stop by Pasadena to see if I could get KFLA-LD/8. I was successful.

Attached are pictures of Mt. Wilson & Mt. Harvard from that location along with a couple caps.

At least it can be received somewhere. :D

I understand that, but one of the LA indies did air the same movie 5 nights, or afternoons, in a row in the early 70's. I recall this because I realized how big a market LA was to be able to air the same movie in this manor reaching a different audience on successive days of the week.

Edit: The Los Angeles TV Guide for Sept 8-14, 1973 (page A-54) shows a KTLA ad for the Channel 5 Movie Theater showing of Trapeze Monday evening at 8 pm, with repeat airings at 8 pm Tuesday through Friday and a Sunday matinee at 2 pm.

I definitely remember KTLA doing that on one occasion. The movie was "Voyage Into Space" about Johnny Socco and his Giant Robot, one of the more entertaining Japanese movies of that type. They showed it at 8:00pm on five consecutive weeknights! I was in junior high at the time and by Friday morning everyone at school was talking about it, and wondering if the program director at Channel 5 had completely lost his mind. Or, just had no other movie to show.

Well, it is an OLD movie and it looked good to me but KTLA cropping parts/adding black bars to make it look HD? It sure doesn't look SD (black borders).

Trust me; ch 5.2 is all 480i SD. If your 16:9 widescreen display is properly adjusted, you will see black bars on the sides of the picture, since everything is shown in a 4:3 aspect ratio. You are right, though, they do crop all widescreen movies to 4:3 :mad:. But, as narkspud said, the "black bars have nothing to do with whether it's HD or not".

On the air and coming in just fine.

The D* receivers require that you do a reset of the OTA channels, then download your local channel info. They do not do an actual scan of the RF spectrum for digital channels instead relying on downloaded data to tell the receiver where OTA digital channels "should" be. You are therefore at the mercy of Tribune Media Service to get accurate data.

All four channels received here reliably on TiVo HD.

Thank-you guys. It doesn't work for me. Oh well. I guess its time for a new antenna. The antenna is just too ald and UNpredictable.

When I re-hooked up the Archer Roof antenna cable to my HR20 100, CH 18.8 was coming like in the 90's signal reliability. Now its not coming in at all. I can pull in Ch. 18.8 on my Winegard [Terl] Indoor OTA DTV Antenna (the model that looks like a radar.

Trust me; ch 5.2 is all 480i SD. If your 16:9 widescreen display is properly adjusted, you will see black bars on the sides of the picture, since everything is shown in a 4:3 aspect ratio. You are right, though, they do crop all widescreen movies to 4:3 :mad:. But, as narkspud said, the "black bars have nothing to do with whether it's HD or not".I took a screen capture from RoboCop movie on Easter Sunday 2010 that was on 5.1: http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/9929/robocoppart126mintssnap.jpg

That's HD, right? I see 5.2 is doing fullscreen now (no wide screen and no black bars/borders). Ew!

I took a screen capture from RoboCop movie on Easter Sunday 2010 that was on 5.1: http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/9929/robocoppart126mintssnap.jpg

That's HD, right? I see 5.2 is doing fullscreen now (no wide screen and no black bars/borders). Ew!

Assuming your image here is showing the entire picture, it is widescreen. Ch 5.1 is 1080i, and much of what they show is HD, but there is also some SD material carried on 5.1 (some programs and most commercials); this is SD material, although displayed on a 1080i HD raster. Other programs are, of course, HD.

Usually, but not always, HD is shown in a widescreen 16:9 format, while SD is shown in a 4:3 narrow screen format. There are exceptions, however; for example, chs 28.2 and 28.4 are entirely 480i SD, even though most programs shown are 16:9 widescreen. These are mostly rebroadcasts of HD PBS material shown previously in HD on 28.1.

By the way, I disagree with the popular use of the term "fullscreen" as meaning 4:3 material. This is a misnomer, since with modern displays, 16:9 is is actually fullscreen, and 4:3 material results in black bars at the sides of the screen.

By the way, when I tuned in to watch the KTLA 10 o'clock news last night, I caught the last couple of minutes of Father of the Bride, Part II. I noticed that it was 4:3 and not widescreen, and the resolution was not very good. So the suggestion that KTLA is getting some of its movies from This TV may be true.

By the way, I disagree with the popular use of the term "fullscreen" as meaning 4:3 material. This is a misnomer, since with modern displays, 16:9 is is actually fullscreen, and 4:3 material results in black bars at the sides of the screen.


I agree. I'm tired of seeing some DVD's being sold as "full-screen." I think we have reached the point where enough people have widscreen TV's to remove full-screen (as a substitute for 4:3) from use.

How many "full-screen" DVD's are being purchased and then being watched in stretch format on widescreens?

Assuming your image here is showing the entire picture, it is widescreen. Ch 5.1 is 1080i, and much of what they show is HD, but there is also some SD material carried on 5.1 (some programs and most commercials); this is SD material, although displayed on a 1080i HD raster. Other programs are, of course, HD.

Usually, but not always, HD is shown in a widescreen 16:9 format, while SD is shown in a 4:3 narrow screen format. There are exceptions, however; for example, chs 28.2 and 28.4 are entirely 480i SD, even though most programs shown are 16:9 widescreen. These are mostly rebroadcasts of HD PBS material shown previously in HD on 28.1.

By the way, I disagree with the popular use of the term "fullscreen" as meaning 4:3 material. This is a misnomer, since with modern displays, 16:9 is is actually fullscreen, and 4:3 material results in black bars at the sides of the screen.

By the way, when I tuned in to watch the KTLA 10 o'clock news last night, I caught the last couple of minutes of Father of the Bride, Part II. I noticed that it was 4:3 and not widescreen, and the resolution was not very good. So the suggestion that KTLA is getting some of its movies from This TV may be true.According to http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093870/technical :

Film negative format (mm/video inches)
35 mm

Cinematographic process
Spherical

Printed film format
70 mm (blow-up)
35 mm

Aspect ratio
1.66 : 1 (intended ratio)
1.85 : 1


My partial MPEG-2 recording's video properties:
Video: MPEG2 Video 1920x1080 29.97fps 12760kbps [Video (ID 224 @ Prog# 0)]
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz 6ch 384kbps [AC3 (Lang : unknown, ID 189 @ Prog# 0)]
Audio: Dolby AC3 48000Hz stereo 192kbps [AC3 (Lang : unknown, ID 189 @ Prog# 0)]

General
Format : MPEG-PS
File size : 5.82 GiB
Overall bit rate : 12.8 Mbps

Video
ID : 224 (0xE0)
Format : MPEG Video
Format version : Version 2
Format profile : Main@High
Format settings, BVOP : Yes
Format settings, Matrix : Default
Format_Settings_GOP : M=3, N=15
Duration : 1h 5mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 11.7 Mbps
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate : 29.970 fps
Standard : Component
Resolution : 8 bits
Colorimetry : 4:2:0
Scan type : Interlaced
Scan order : Top Field First
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.188
Stream size : 5.32 GiB (92%)

Audio #1
ID : 128 (0x80)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Format_Settings_ModeExtension : CM (complete main)
Duration : 1h 5mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Video delay : -299ms
Stream size : 179 MiB (3%)

Audio #2
ID : 129 (0x81)
Format : AC-3
Format/Info : Audio Coding 3
Format_Settings_ModeExtension : CM (complete main)
Duration : 1h 5mn
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 192 Kbps
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel positions : Front: L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
Video delay : -419ms
Stream size : 89.6 MiB (2%)


It's hard to remember if the original old movie (e.g., 1987) was in widescreen or not. I can tell SD and HD for newer stuff, but for old stuff. Ugh. I do remember TitanTV and Zap2It didn't say HD for RoboCop movie, but it looked HD when I saw it so I recorded it. Maybe it isn't real HD.

Anyways, I did find other people's HD screen captures from http://robocoparchive.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=1935 HD screen captures thread:

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/5595/vlcsnap2009100317h07m39.png (KidGoesWild's 1280x688)
vs.
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/6709/ed209.jpg (mine from KTLA 5.1 over the air/OTA on Easter Sunday 2010; 1920x1080i).

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3857/vlcsnap1032331.png (another user's 1024x550 Blu-Ray -- don't know why it is a low resolution)
vs.
http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/5632/robocopheadinhallwaytal.jpg (mine from KTLA 5.1 over the air/OTA on Easter Sunday 2010; 1920x1080i).

I used the latest stable K-Lite Mega Codec Pack's Media Player Classic to playback the MPEG-2 videos.

It looks like KTLA did not crop, but colors look slightly different. That could be my player though.

According to http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093870/technical :

Film negative format (mm/video inches)
35 mm

Cinematographic process
Spherical

Printed film format
70 mm (blow-up)
35 mm

Aspect ratio
1.66 : 1 (intended ratio)
1.85 : 1

(1) You're not seeing the film in the ratio intended by the filmmakers. 1.66 : 1 would cause very narrow bars at the side edges of the screen, and of course we just can't have that. There are an awful lot of movies intended for 1.66 : 1, and I don't think I've seen a single one formatted correctly on television or Blu-Ray. Disney got it right on a few of their animated DVD releases (like Aladdin).

(2) Channels show what the distributor sends them, upscaled or downscaled as needed to conform to their transmission specs. They don't crop things themselves. The picture is invariably going to be degraded somewhat in the re-encoding process. (Exception - Fox network stuff from the Fox Splicer, which sends its own encoding directly to the station's transmitter.)

(3) Based on the screen caps, I'm going with "high definition." I'd expect yours to be sharper, but see #(2). Your greenish color discrepancy appears to be a colorspace issue.

(1) You're not seeing the film in the ratio intended by the filmmakers. 1.66 : 1 would cause very narrow bars at the side edges of the screen, and of course we just can't have that. There are an awful lot of movies intended for 1.66 : 1, and I don't think I've seen a single one formatted correctly on television or Blu-Ray. Disney got it right on a few of their animated DVD releases (like Aladdin).

(2) Channels show what the distributor sends them, upscaled or downscaled as needed to conform to their transmission specs. They don't crop things themselves. The picture is invariably going to be degraded somewhat in the re-encoding process. (Exception - Fox network stuff from the Fox Splicer, which sends its own encoding directly to the station's transmitter.)

(3) Based on the screen caps, I'm going with "high definition." I'd expect it to be sharper, but see #(2). Your greenish color discrepancy appears to be a colorspace issue.

I don't mind for black bars as long as I get the whole picture. No crops, no panning, etc.! Is not sharp because of the age of the movie?

I don't mind for black bars as long as I get the whole picture. No crops, no panning, etc.! Is not sharp because of the age of the movie?

Movie age isn't as relevant as the quality of the film stock being used. You can assume that if they were blowing that puppy up to 70mm, it was sharp.

And you aren't getting the whole picture if the movie really was 1.66 : 1. There's a sliver missing at the top and bottom.

Movie age isn't as relevant as the quality of the film stock being used. You can assume that if they were blowing that puppy up to 70mm, it was sharp.

And you aren't getting the whole picture if the movie really was 1.66 : 1. There's a sliver missing at the top and bottom.That's pretty much what I saw live and in my recordings. Definitely, not super wide screen.

11.1 is really working my nerve. I had everything set up practically perfect for a week now (24 recorded with only a few glitches last week) and now I check Cleveland Show and Family Guy on my dvr tonight and they are unwatchable. 11.2 is non-existent and 11.3 is tuned fine. I guess I'm back to watching 11.3. Can't wait until 24, FG and CS are over for the season so I can ditch watching that channel. :(

... FG and CS are over for the season so I can ditch watching that channel. :(FG, CS, and AM still have new episodes after today.

Originally Posted by atrac
... FG and CS are over for the season so I can ditch watching that channel.

FG, CS, and AM still have new episodes after today.

Oddly enough, you left off the part of my quote that says "Can't wait until 24, FG and CS are over for the season..."

In other words, I know. ;)

Oddly enough, you left off the part of my quote that says "Can't wait until 24, FG and CS are over for the season..."

In other words, I know. ;)My bad. I misread that earlier. :(

By the way, I disagree with the popular use of the term "fullscreen" as meaning 4:3 material. This is a misnomer, since with modern displays, 16:9 is is actually fullscreen, and 4:3 material results in black bars at the sides of the screen.

If they call 16x9 widescreen they should call 4x3 narrowscreen. However the marketing boys wouldn't like that connotation.

Rick R

I don't know where to post this really, but since I don't remember seeing these outside of South OC, I thought I would ask here.

Does anyone know what the deal is with these little black towers, with solar panels that seem to be springing up in many areas?

Here is one, in San Juan Capistrano, courtesy of Street View:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=San+Juan+Capistrano,+CA,+United+States&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=63.215425,56.513672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=San+Juan+Capistrano,+Orange,+California&ll=33.486149,-117.666535&spn=0.016643,0.021973&z=16&layer=c&cbll=33.486335,-117.666364&panoid=ePyyz4zkpWkB0Za33b5rhw&cbp=12,317.99,,0,-6.43

I hope they aren't being installed to cause Blackouts, ala Flash Forward. :D

I don't know where to post this really, but since I don't remember seeing these outside of South OC, I thought I would ask here.

Does anyone know what the deal is with these little black towers, with solar panels that seem to be springing up in many areas?

Here is one, in San Juan Capistrano, courtesy of Street View:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=San+Juan+Capistrano,+CA,+United+States&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=63.215425,56.513672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=San+Juan+Capistrano,+Orange,+California&ll=33.486149,-117.666535&spn=0.016643,0.021973&z=16&layer=c&cbll=33.486335,-117.666364&panoid=ePyyz4zkpWkB0Za33b5rhw&cbp=12,317.99,,0,-6.43

I hope they aren't being installed to cause Blackouts, ala Flash Forward. :DI think those are for celluar/cellphones. There are many types and sometimes hidden. Examples: http://www.networkworld.com/slideshows/2009/092509-cell-tower.html ...

I don't know where to post this really, but since I don't remember seeing these outside of South OC, I thought I would ask here.

Does anyone know what the deal is with these little black towers, with solar panels that seem to be springing up in many areas?

Here is one, in San Juan Capistrano, courtesy of Street View:

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=San+Juan+Capistrano,+CA,+United+States&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=63.215425,56.513672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=San+Juan+Capistrano,+Orange,+California&ll=33.486149,-117.666535&spn=0.016643,0.021973&z=16&layer=c&cbll=33.486335,-117.666364&panoid=ePyyz4zkpWkB0Za33b5rhw&cbp=12,317.99,,0,-6.43

I hope they aren't being installed to cause Blackouts, ala Flash Forward. :D

Your tower looks similar to the emergency sirens, (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=crenshaw+blvd+and+190th+street,+torrance,+ca&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=51.177128,76.552734&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Crenshaw+Blvd+%26+W+190th+St,+Torrance,+Los+Angeles,+C alifornia&ll=33.847412,-118.328848&spn=0.013223,0.01869&z=16&layer=c&cbll=33.847509,-118.328855&panoid=NoYX0GF1NRVfxC4_df1S3w&cbp=12,100.52,,1,-5.33) also courtesy of Street View, at the Exxon Mobil refinery in Torrance, CA.

Confirmation that they are Nuclear Power Plant's Community Alert Siren System:
http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM6PHD_SONGS_Siren_San_Clemente_Beach_San_Clemente_CA
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/emergency-233122-san-people.html
http://egov.ocgov.com/ocgov/Info%20OC/Departments%20&%20Agencies/Emergency%20Operations%20Center/Preparedness/Community%20Alert%20Siren%20System

Hi L.A. OTAers.

Is there a Web site that will show what movies will be shown OTA in L.A. area? It is a bit tedious to check for them from various TV guide sites.

Thank you in advance. :)

Titantv.com is one source. TVGuide also has a website.

Hi L.A. OTAers.

Is there a Web site that will show what movies will be shown OTA in L.A. area? It is a bit tedious to check for them from various TV guide sites.

Thank you in advance. :)

Go to http://www.tvguide.com/listings/default.aspx and select the starting date and time. Then click on the "Movies" tab. You can quickly go from one day to another using the date dropdown.

Go to http://www.tvguide.com/listings/default.aspx and select the starting date and time. Then click on the "Movies" tab. You can quickly go from one day to another using the date dropdown.Thanks! Too bad I can't get a full list of what is shown instead of hitting back and forward. Also, I wished there were filters to remove foreign and non-HD movies too. Like is ION 30.1 really true HD?

Titantv.com is one source. TVGuide also has a website.I don't see a way to show only movies like TVGuide.com does.

I don't see a way to show only movies like TVGuide.com does.

In TitanTV use the "Tools" toggled to MORE to display the filters options.

In TitanTV use the "Tools" toggled to MORE to display the filters options.Perfect. Much better than TV Guide's. I was able to filter to show only HD movies OTA. Ha, not very many too. TV Guide thinks ION 30.1 is true HD. :P I like how it can expand to six hours at a time, but wished it could do more like the whole time frame it has so I skim through the list.

Like is ION 30.1 really true HD?

They transmit in true HD (720p).

Whether or not any given program is in true HD depends on a number of factors. Just as you can play a mono recording on a stereo sound system, you can also show standard def programs on a HD transmission. Right now 30.1 is showing a TV preacher that's telling his flock that God has promised to make all true Christians (IE contributors) fabulously wealthy in the next 90 days. Obviously he's high, but his program's definition isn't. :D It's a standard def analog videotape being upscaled to 720p pillarboxed.

My advice? Quit obsessing about HD and enjoy the dang programs! ;)

They transmit in true HD (720p)... My advice? Quit obsessing about HD and enjoy the dang programs! ;)Bah!

They transmit in true HD (720p).
Obviously he's high, but his program's definition isn't. :D


Funny, well said!:p

Confirmation that they are Nuclear Power Plant's Community Alert Siren System:
http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM6PHD_SONGS_Siren_San_Clemente_Beach_San_Clemente_CA
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/emergency-233122-san-people.html
http://egov.ocgov.com/ocgov/Info%20OC/Departments%20&%20Agencies/Emergency%20Operations%20Center/Preparedness/Community%20Alert%20Siren%20System

Thank you. So, that's why I only see them in the Southernmost parts of OC.

Thank you. So, that's why I only see them in the Southernmost parts of OC.

By the time you hear those nuclear sirens, you are all ready dead.

I can now see what appears to be an MDTV stream on KMEX. Attached is the TSR report.

Now, if I can only find a tuner, I could see what's actually on it. My wild guess is that they want MDTV for the World Cup, but whether or not it is advertised or whether any devices are made available in time is another story.

I hope to see at least one more station go online with MDTV this summer, but I'm planning to test KMEX as soon as I am able (as soon as I can find a tuner to buy).

Was anyone else watching it? If so, then did you have video feed problem after about 1.5 hours (7:30ish PM PDT)? I saw video freeze a few times and then no picture went to SD for a minute, and then back to HD. Then about the last 20 minutes was stuck in SD. :( Screen captures examples: http://img704.imageshack.us/img704/9681/lw4ion301051620100224ho.jpg from HD corruption and then to SD.

I doubt it is my antenna feed (90%-100%).

New Station on the Air

Genesis TV

Mapping as 26-1 through 26-4, but only 26-1 has anything right now, though it is just a loop.

On RF 46 (KVHD, apparently operating on KTAV-LP's STA) - TSR attached

Low Power

Screen cap attached - looks like another Spanish station.

I suspect that the station is not KVHD-LD, but is instead KTAV-LD.

- Trip

is it just me or am I getting much improved reception on KTTV and KCOP channels 11.1, 11.2, 11.3 and 13.1 lately? I live in zip code 90004.

I've checked the signal meter on these channels on my DTV converter box. KTTV ch. 11.1 is showing close to 80% reception, 90%+ for ch. 11.2, 85%+ for ch. 11.3 and 90%+ for ch. 13.1. AND I did NOT relocate or move my rabbit ears tv antenna. I'm wondering if the folks at KTTV and KCOP have boosted their signals.

is it just me or am I getting much improved reception on KTTV and KCOP channels 11.1, 11.2, 11.3 and 13.1 lately? I live in zip code 90004.

I've checked the signal meter on these channels on my DTV converter box. KTTV ch. 11.1 is showing close to 80% reception, 90%+ for ch. 11.2, 85%+ for ch. 11.3 and 90%+ for ch. 13.1. AND I did NOT relocate or move my rabbit ears tv antenna. I'm wondering if the folks at KTTV and KCOP have boosted their signals.

Both stations are in the process of installing new transmitting antennas along with an almost 4-fold boost in power.

Supposed to be completed late spring or early summer, last I heard. Maybe they're making progress...

Great news Fox is working to improve their signals -- what about ABC7?

Great news Fox is working to improve their signals -- what about ABC7?I noticed ABC7 is 100% for me lately. Maybe it's the rain?

is it just me or am I getting much improved reception on KTTV and KCOP channels 11.1, 11.2, 11.3 and 13.1 lately? I live in zip code 90004.

I've checked the signal meter on these channels on my DTV converter box. KTTV ch. 11.1 is showing close to 80% reception, 90%+ for ch. 11.2, 85%+ for ch. 11.3 and 90%+ for ch. 13.1. AND I did NOT relocate or move my rabbit ears tv antenna. I'm wondering if the folks at KTTV and KCOP have boosted their signals.Mine is 100%!

It could be the rain maybe?

Great news Fox is working to improve their signals -- what about ABC7?

They are finished and this is as good as it is likely to ever get. If your reception isn't adequate, it will have to fixed from the receive side by addressing your antenna system.

For some time now, there has been no audio on KSKJ-CA. There seems to be no rush to get it fixed! I believe that this is still the only low-power analog station in the area to upgrade to digital, so far.

They are finished and this is as good as it is likely to ever get. If your reception isn't adequate, it will have to fixed from the receive side by addressing your antenna system.

can someone with inside knowledge provide confirmation on FOX's new antenna installation? is it really completed and active?

Is Fox having some serious audio issues? Over the past month, I have had several instances of brief high pitch squeals and pops similar to the DTS-MA bomb issue. I usually watch thru AT&T Uverse, but need to figure out if is a source issue (KTTV) or a UVerse issue. I have switched over to OTA for now simply because I already had two instances tonight during the Simpsons that scared the snot out of me. As far as I know, the issue has only shown up on Fox. I'm actually worried about my speakers and sub with the sound level caused by the pops/squeals.

can someone with inside knowledge provide confirmation on FOX's new antenna installation? is it really completed and active?

At present, KTTV is running at 70% signal strength, and KCOP at about 78%. As I recall, buth were running about 65% a while back. Very good, solid signals, but not a dramatic increase.

Is Fox having some serious audio issues? Over the past month, I have had several instances of brief high pitch squeals and pops similar to the DTS-MA bomb issue. I usually watch thru AT&T Uverse, but need to figure out if is a source issue (KTTV) or a UVerse issue. I have switched over to OTA for now simply because I already had two instances tonight during the Simpsons that scared the snot out of me. As far as I know, the issue has only shown up on Fox. I'm actually worried about my speakers and sub with the sound level caused by the pops/squeals.

This problem is most likely a cable issue; I have not heard any audio anomalies on KTTV at all.

New Station on the Air

Genesis TV

Mapping as 26-1 through 26-4, but only 26-1 has anything right now, though it is just a loop.

On RF 46 (KVHD, apparently operating on KTAV-LP's STA) - TSR attached

Low Power

Screen cap attached - looks like another Spanish station.

Well KVHD lasted but a day on 46/26 before going dark.

Tonight RF 46 lit up again this time ID'ing as KTAV mapping to 35.1 and 35.2 with same Almavision feed on both.

Well KVHD lasted but a day on 46/26 before going dark.

Tonight RF 46 lit up again this time ID'ing as KTAV mapping to 35.1 and 35.2 with same Almavision feed on both.

... which I believe, along with the apparent demise of KLAU, leaves KSFV-CA (Channel 6, Guadalupe "Radio") as the only analog in LA whose programming is still not available on digital. Amirite?

Sounds about right.

I don't think KSFV-CA would be interested in digital, since they are effectively an FM radio station. Though perhaps they could have a digital companion sub-channel for those that wish to listen to it digitally.

KSFV-CA has had a digital flash-cut application for 6 into the FCC for some time, but this would seem to be counterproductive in more ways than one.

http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/prefill_and_display.pl?Application_id=1286854&Service=DC&Form_id=401&Facility_id=49704

Their explanation makes little sense. Analog KTLA/RF-5 is gone, but is going to digital really going to help with the XETV problems? Even if it does, it's goodbye to FM radio listeners (their main audience).


THE LICENSED FACILITY OF KSFV ON CHANNEL 6 IN LOS ANGELES IS BEING DISPLACED BY INTERFERENCE FROM KTLA ON CHANNEL 5 IN LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA AND BY XETV ON CHANNEL 6 IN TIJUANA, MEXICO. THEREFORE, THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING A DIGITAL DISPLACEMENT APPLICATION TO MOVE KSFV FROM ANALOG CHANNEL 6 TO DIGITAL CHANNEL 6.

... which I believe, along with the apparent demise of KLAU, leaves KSFV-CA (Channel 6, Guadalupe "Radio") as the only analog in LA whose programming is still not available on digital. Amirite?

I don't know whether their programming is duplicated on digital TV, but I am still getting three additional analog stations:

KNET-CA onch 25

KNLA-LP on ch 27

KHTV-LP on ch 67

I did not verify these call signs, but just got them from TVFool.

They're broadcast digitally on KNLA-LD 50 (20-1).

- Trip

They're broadcast digitally on KNLA-LD 50 (20-1).

- Trip


That is one station that I never could get. Strange, because their analog signal is fairly strong.

It appears that K55KD, or K57KF, or K-whatever-whatever-K-whatever (the low power analog Almavision station that was on channel 57, and that seemed to have an ongoing identity crisis) is gone.

Apparently they're going to let the new digital KTAV (35-1) do their Almavisioning for them.

Only four analogs left (6, 25, 27, 67). Better hurry up and buy that converter box!

Yep, 57 is gonzo from here. Now, is it really gone, or are they going to play the KLAU game for several months?

Your converter box comment reminds me of the petition by mobile DTV companies to have the analog tuner requirement waived. It seems silly that they would need to have an analog NTSC tuner, since I'm pretty sure no NTSC station has ATSC-M/H! :D

http://www.televisionbroadcast.com/article/101260

LG Electronics and Dell both make mobile DTV devices and recently petitioned the FCC to waive the dual-tuner rule. It requires that TVs shipped and sold in the United States have both analog and digital reception capability.

When can we finally drop this analog rock? I know that it's handy for TV's hooked up to analog cable, but still...

Yep, 57 is gonzo from here. Now, is it really gone, or are they going to play the KLAU game for several months?


KJLA 57 is back now, all nine subchannels too, and very strong (100%). Perhaps it just went down temporarily for maintenance.