I am 108 miles from WRTV. In Danville you would be about 75
miles. I am 68 miles from WRSP and they are rock solid 100% of the time.
I did a Longley-Rice signal calculation on you and WRTV, and they are such
that if you live in a high part of Danville and have a 25-35 foot antenna height
WRTV at least should be reasonable solid year around. I didn't
do the Lafayette station since I don't know whether they are at full power.

Doug McDonald

WAND is at full power, 330kw. Gets cleanly intro Morton and Peoria.

We setup remote access to our encoder today and bdfox18doe successfully broke it from Charlotte, NC. :p

We should have WRSP-DT back up and running by tomorrow.

Thanks for the update. I wondered what was going on. Hope to see you back on the air tomorrow.

Yea! I broke it and Ken can't fix it!

To err is human. To really foul up requires a computer. :-)

WRSP-DT should be back on-line now! We inserted another 50cents in the pc so we can play a bit longer...
Any problems, please let us know!

I screwed up and posted in the wrong area earlier.....sorry.

I am in Quincy, IL and going to attempt to receive the Springfield DTV stations.

I am looking for the GPS coordinates for the tower sites in Springfiled so I know what direction to aim for.

if anyone is in the Quincy/Hannibal area that is receiving anything other than the Quincy DTV NBC/CBS/PBS let me know.... No FOX or ABS in Quincy (middle of no where)

If there is any good sites for information let me know also.

By the way I am going to use a CM-4228 with a CM-7775 preamp. I have a clear path to the springfiled area but trees line the St. Louis direction. I am on hill and will be 20 to 30 above with antenna.

Thanks again

Trashed,
Try the FCC TV Database Query (http://www.fcc.gov/mb/video/tvq.html) for the coordinates you are looking for.

Last night there was no picture or sound on WRSP-DT 55-1. It was there
on 55-2. The Samsung box said "No AV" ... a message I had never
seen before the previous night.

Doug McDonald

Doug:

Last night I got nothing out of Indianapolis, but did get 18-1 CBS WLFI-HD (out of Lafayette).

I was able to get 17 and 23 and I get 15 with the antenna in any position. Should I be able to get WRSP-DT 55 in Danville??

Sadly I do not live on the high part of Danville, but down on the level at Vermilion St. The house is 3 story with a clear view east - I guess the antenna is about 40 feet up.

Thanks for your help.

Geoffrey

You will not get WRSP in Danville.

But it does not matter. WCCU will be on the air in HD by Sept. 12
when Fox starts doing actual HD transmissions. They will be powerful
enough to pick up on a paper clip.

WICD will be in HD any day now.

Doug McDonald

Originally posted by jdmcdonald
WCCU will be on the air in HD by Sept. 12


Well, we do hope so, pending delivery of all equipment!

Ken and I will do our best to meet that if we can..

Originally posted by gels
Doug:

Last night I got nothing out of Indianapolis, but did get 18-1 CBS WLFI-HD (out of Lafayette).

Geoffrey

Good catch with WLFI-DT (11), Lafayette. The tower is located east of Lafayette near Rossville, IN. I don't know how reliable the signal is for you from this station but unlike WCIA-DT 48, WLFI-DT passes HD from CBS. WLFI, owned by LIN Broadcasting, is a sister station to WAND and WISH, Indianapolis. The Champaign/Springfield/Decatur market is #82 with no HD from its CBS affiliate, while the Lafayette market is #189 and does have a CBS affiliate passing HD from CBS. Who's serving the public interest?

Steve

I'm very happy for that:

WICD seems to be in the same boat as I have no problems getting DT with them.

Was it the weather conditions last night that I was not able to get the Indy channels I wonder?

Geoffrey

Trashed,
Are KHQA and WGEM broadcasting in HD?

bdfox18doe

Could post here once WCCU-DT goes live. We'll give you some free signal reports.

MIKE

Mr. Victor,

Quincy's KHQA and WGEM are broadcasting HD from 7-10 PM The rest of the day is SD.

Quincy's WQEC PBS is also HD from 7-10PM

Last night, Aug. 6, WICD appeared on my STB in HD rather than
SD. However, there was no HD programming, as the only one
available last night, Leno, was in upconverted SD.

At least this is some progress. They have promised real HD
by the Olympics, which start Friday.

Doug McDonald

Originally posted by mraub
bdfox18doe

Could post here once WCCU-DT goes live. We'll give you some free signal reports.

MIKE

Absolutely! Ken and I would appreciate that tremendously!

Anyone else having problems with 25-1? WEEK NBC station mapped through 57-1? This past week I have been getting nothing but snow.

les_S. Surprised you are still having a problem. Buddy of mine received this in an email from them over a week ago after he asked about their normally strong signal hardly being there:

"...engineers are making some adjustment to the system in preparation for adding a second digital signal later this year. Some of the adjustment required us to reboot the system to clear up the noise you were seeing."

We've both been good since. ??

A couple random things:

1) I am getting WEEK fine, although it is taking longer to tune in on my Samsung T151 receiver than before. Not sure if it is my problem or something with the change. Has anyone heard for sure that they will offer the NBC HD broadcast on 57-1 and then a feed of the SD broadcast on 57-2?

2) I found it ironic that I got a fundraising raffle promotion from WILL last week (I'm still on the FM mailing list but I no longer contribute to the TV side). The grand prize is an HDTV which they promote as "Get the HDTV picture!", "try picturing you and your family enjoying the vibrant colors and pixel-picture clarity of a Sony projection high-definition television", etc. Of course they don't mention where this programming will come from.

3) You can add to the CBS HD disgust (in addition to the #82 Champaign/Springfield/Decatur market) #116 Peoria/Bloomington that isn't being served!

Just happened to flip over to Leno on WICS-DT in Springfield... Lo and behold -- real HD! Woohoo! For days, WICS has been showing upconverted (and very badly zoomed) content on their digital channel, but tonight it looks SWEET! And so does Karolina Kurkova... WOW! :eek:

Last couple of days I have not been able to get 15 and yet I get 17-1 and 23-1 in HD/DT.

Is WICD transmitting in DT I wonder?? In the pasted I got WICD even when the antenna was pointing east so I am really puzzled.

Strange that I can get 18-1 WLFI-HD out of Lafayette Ind from the back of my antenna, but very pleased:)

cheers,

Geoffrey

Last night during Leno, many of the 4:3 commercials had sidebars. However, it looks like WICS is back to zooming the local news this morning (and chopping off foreheads, etc.).

They've actually been doing this for a while. During regular prime time programming, you could barely see the top of the NBC peacock logo and oftentimes an actor's head would start at his eyebrows. Hopefully, this is just a transitional thing and they will either 1) pillarbox the 4:3 material or 2) perform a decent stretch.

Regardless, it looks like they're now capable of passing HD. Hopefully, they'll have all the kinks worked out before the Olympics and won't have any major glitches.

Originally posted by gels
Last couple of days I have not been able to get 15 and yet I get 17-1 and 23-1 in HD/DT.

Is WICD transmitting in DT I wonder?? In the pasted I got WICD even when the antenna was pointing east so I am really puzzled.

Strange that I can get 18-1 WLFI-HD out of Lafayette Ind from the back of my antenna, but very pleased:)

cheers,

Geoffrey

Geoffrey, I've had no problem getting WICD the last few days. They are broadcasting in 1080i now according to my receiver. I've yet to see any HD material on it yet though, with NBC's limited HD line-up. Everythings been up converted 480i. I too, live in Danville, so you may need to tweak your antenna a little. The signal is so strong here in Danville, I've actually got to use an attentuator to reduce it so that I can bring in the Decatur stations.

WRSP is sick. .... bfoxdoe18 please note

there was no audio at all , on my two (Samsung and Motorola) boxes,
nor on two integrated HDTVs at Circuit City.

There is no channel 55-1 at all ... the Samsung says "no AV".

The Sony XBR integrated set finds a 44-3 with picture and no sound.

The picture breaks up every few seconds.

*******************************************

WICD was sick too last night .... a sound sync issue.
I will call them this morning to complain.

MNF was awesomely good as usual, except for Madden-ing.

Doug McDonald

Yea, we're aware. We're doing some remote control beta with the encoder
mfg and there are a few bugs.. Plus, We've also had a microwave failure which is contributing to the problem.

Thanks Doug

rrrick8 :

Thanks so much for that information.

I really do need to find some "quality" time:) to do more with my antenna.

Are you able to get 18-1 WLFI-HD out of Lafayette Ind?

I really appreciate this group for all the information we share.

Geoffrey

Originally posted by bdfox18doe
Plus, We've also had a microwave failure which is contributing to the problem.

Thanks Doug


Buy a gas stove to heat your lunch ... :-) :-) :-)

Doug McDonald:D

Well, you know how cranky engineers get when they don't get to eat...!!

Originally posted by gels
rrrick8 :


Are you able to get 18-1 WLFI-HD out of Lafayette Ind?


Geoffrey

Yes, I can get it. I don't use it though. I get my CBS hd content from D**.
(I have a very long RG6 cable that stretches from my dish in the south Chicago suburbs to my home here in Danville) :D :D :D

WICD is not going to turn on their real HD before the
opening ceremonies of the Olympics .... this is a "policy" decision
and apparently I'm not going to convince, however gentle the
prodding, them that it might be
a good idea to try it out first to see if there are "issues" with
different STBs ... they do know they have a sound-sync "issue".

Doug McDonald

Originally posted by jdmcdonald
WILL DELAYS AGAIN

WILL has found another excuse to not turn on their
digital station .... yesterday they filed with the FCC YET ANOTHER
extension request ... this time to October.

They claim that they submitted a work order to O&M in 2002
to install power and air conditioning at the transmitter, but that
it not only is not done yet, but work is just started. Having
dealt myself with O&M, this is a silly excuse. They are slow ...
but not that slow .... and can get work done in a timely
manner if need be. They claim they have no "pull" to get O&M to
do the work. This is silly.

They are now talking October.


Doug McDonald

WILL is just plain hypocritical.

They're currently running a contest where the grand prize is an HDTV, and their fliers talk about embracing digital TV, yadda yadda yadda.

This on the heels of Mulally's luddite and blatanly wrong rants about HDTV and what a "scam" it is. It seems like WILL will say or do anything to "scam" people for donation bucks, but when it comes to getting their **** together, they're pathetic.

I've gotten to the point where I don't give a damn if they ever go digital or not.

-Dan

WRSP Should be more better now..

Are they still working on 25-1 for WEEK? Last night I reset my box and the channel came in fine. Once I changed the channel and tried going back to 25-1 all I got was static noise and a black picture. All my other channels work fine. When I do a signal strength test on 25-1 it says I am a 69%. Thats when I am getting the static and black picture. Any help guys?

I have the Samsung TS360 box.

If you live in Springfield what channel do you tune in for CBS?

If you live in Springfield what channel do you tune in for CBS?
UHF 53 -- which maps to 49-1 (UPN) and 49-2 (CBS).

Hey *Chilli* do you know if WICS has increased their power???

Thanks
T

I'm afraid I don't know. I've been meaning to call the station to get some more info, but I haven't had the time.

WICS must have just been testing during Leno last night. No true HD has been broadcast this evening. Bummer... I was all excited! They must be getting close, though.

WICD still has not transmitted true HDTV yet. Do they have
a digital local plant? The locally produced stuff sure looked great
last night. They are borderline needing better sets. The present ones are
OK but nothing to brag about.

Doug McDonald

Just got this from VOOM

NBC has announced that, for the period of the Summer Olympics (August 13 - 30, 2004), the digital version of their broadcast will be replaced entirely with one-day delayed highlights of Olympic competition in high definition (HD). Consumers who have access to this off-air feed will only see a 6- to 8-hour compilation of highlights and will not be able to view the network's same-day, prime-time coverage of the Olympics or other regularly scheduled programming.

The regular NBC programming schedule will return on August 31, 2004.

Is anybody southeast of Springfield able to get WSEC-DT reliably? I got it one time but now I can't. I can't justify pointing my flaky rotor towards Jacksonville, but I also can't get KETC-DT out of St. Louis reliably. I'm guessing they aren't putting out a lot of power.

I guess I'm hoping I have better luck with WILL if they ever get live off the back of my antenna. I have pretty good luck with WRSP-DT and WICS-DT.

After 10 minutes of viewing everything seems great!!! :D
Except their logo. It's too "visible". I prefer more transparent ID's.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dale R Sinder
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 7:15 PM
To: 'programming@wicd15.com'
Subject: HD! Thanks

I'm watching a beautiful HD picture of the Olympics "warmup"
show. Thanks!

I do note one issue. The station logo shown in the upper right
is a static, high contrast image. Such static, high contrast logos
have a well documented history of causing "burn-in" on Rear and Front
projection CRT systems. I will not dare to subject my expensive
equipment to such risks for a significant portion of my viewing
time. I hope you can lighten up on the logo to make it safe to
watch your beautiful HD picture.

Thanks!

Dale Sinder
Urbana

WICD does indeed look good. I'm going to e-mail their news department and suggest going to HD is a good news item. I know a lot of folks who have HD capable sets but just haven't got a tuner yet.

MIKE

WICS in HD is looking good too!

WICS looks great however its counterpart WEEK has no audio. Doesn't make sense to me.

WICD looked pretty good last night, but not as good as MNF, and
interlace artifacts were easily visible, no matter whether I used
either STB or the TV itself to convert to 720p.

Doug McDonald

At last! I put up the DB4 in Morton today.

Overall I got what I would expect. I have 19-1, 25-1, 31-1, 46-1,2,4, 55-1 and 59-1.

There was a point where within three inches I would have 19-1 and no 55-1 or vice versa but eventually found the sweet spot.

Guess I was hoping for 43-1 somehow despite the fact that it is totally opposite of where I'm point now. Maybe a little signal sneaking through the refelectors (ha). But no such luck.

I'm thinking bout getting a small yagi and pointing directly towards WYZZ (10miles from my house no obstructions) and using a combiner. Any thoughts? Anyone done something similar in our area?

Yes, WICD is showing potential here in Mahomet as well...
I just wonder when the infinite loop of the opening ceremonies will end!

Hoping for some real content soon.
I am not seeing much interlacing.... Have a Sammy 160, and a Hitachi 57" on components....

WEEK still has no audio. I would bet that there sound problems are due to the fact that NBC is send two different sound signals.

By the way, there are two audio mixes leaving here. Your local station has to choose which one to use based on their equipment. If they can handle 5.1, they will use that program. If all the have is stereo, the will choose the Dolby Pro Logic II 2 channel mix. If all your station is delivering is 2.0, turn on your surround decoder (prefferably with PLII) and enjoy.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=434076&perpage=20&pagenumber=23

Lucky DirecTV customers that have the HD option can view the NBC HD feed on ch. 84.

I have yet to notice no audio on WEEK. Everytime I've turned to 25-1 since the Olympic coverage (loop) has been on, I've had sound.

When are you expierencing this?

WICD is showing horrendous macroblock artifacts on swimming.

I visited CC to look at all the TVs and compare the Ch. 15 logo
(which does have as one use: comparing TV sets, since its static).
All those sets with the same blocking in the corner of my eye made me woozy.

Also ... is it true they are not 5.1 DD? Sure looks 2.0 to me. Pro logic
seems to work fine, however.

Doug McDonald

Originally posted by jdmcdonald

I visited CC to look at all the TVs
Doug McDonald

Me too. That duggum Sony 70" Wega is HUGE! (Wifey said NO!).

Most of the HdTv's there had ringing/ghosts in the picture..not sure how they were distributing the signal, but it looked pretty bad. Amazing how they can sell sets with a bad picture on display.

Me too. That duggum Sony 70" Wega is HUGE! (Wifey said NO!).

You're a television engineer. You obviously need a huge television. Do women understand nothing.

MIKE

Originally posted by jdmcdonald
WICD is showing horrendous macroblock artifacts on swimming.


Also ... is it true they are not 5.1 DD? Sure looks 2.0 to me. Pro logic
seems to work fine, however.

Doug McDonald

All I've gotten from them so far is 2.0, while D**'s feed on channel 84 is 5.1.
As for the macroblock artifacts, I haven't seen any, or for that matter anything but a beautiful clear picture here in Danville. Though I haven't been glued to the set since Friday, I have seen quite a bit of the broadcast.
Update as of noon Monday 8/16: The good news is that they've changed the logo. The bad news is that it is bigger than before and is still very opaque. A definate burn in hazard!

Is anyone getting WICD-HD on a Dish 6000 receiver? I can not get it in on mine. I have had no problem in the past when they were broadcasting their standard def. digital signal. I am only 4 miles from their tower to the west. Is the channel still 41-1 or is it different for HD? I just checked again and now the signal is all over the place from 0 to in the 60's.

John

A significantly fluctuating signal sometimes indicates multipath or signal overload problems. I have noticed that my lock on WICD's HD signal seems less secure than it was on their digital SD signal, though that really doesn't make any sense, unless the wider bandwidth of HD does something I don't understand to the signal. A couple of people with a good technical grasp of HD transmission post regularly here and maybe they can add something. Meanwhile, its back to the attic to fool around with antennae again.

MIKE

Certain settings in the HD encoder or PSIP mis-config can cause that,
especially with the 6000. I'd let them know you're having a problem.

Thanks for the replies, I did talk to the head engineer at WICD and let him know my problem. He was not aware of any problems with reception thus far. They have a Samsung receiver in the station to check the signal as it seems alot of you do and it is working well. He was aware of some of the problems the dish 6000 has had in the past and had even talked to the WCIA engineer when WCIA first went digital because the 6000 was not working with WCIA when they first came online. I will talk with him again tommorrow and relay the info. given here. He seemed very willing to make changes to get me up and running so that is good.

John

John,
Thanks for doing some legwork in this. Earlier tonight I hooked up the Silver Sensor clone that had earlier given me a steady lock on the SD digital signal and found the although the DISH 921 setup screen indicated a solid lock on 41-1, a couple of time a minute the video would briefly break up into macroblocking and the audio would cut out. It only lasted a second or so, but was distracting after a while. I get a better lock with an DISH 811 receiver, though there's an additional 30 feet or so of extra RG6 between the antenna and the 811. I think WICD is still low power and if you talk to the engineer again you might ask if they have any plans to increase their transmitter power in the foreseeable future.

On a positive note, the surround sound effect seemed more pronounced on tonight's Olympic replays than I noticed before. I wonder if they're now sending 5.1 audio.

I guess we'll all get our reception problems sorted out over time. It does look like NBC is going to have some decent new programming in HD for the the Fall. LAX looks like it could be good, if done right.

MIKE

I was able to get WICD with my Voom STB with no problems, however, the last 10 days or so I have not been able to receive 15. I run the scan and it finds the station and yet no reception.

It's all very strange as I can get 17, 23 and 18 from Laf with no problems. Also stations out of Indy.

Wonder if I should talk to WICD?



Geoffrey

I have reset my box half a dozen times and did a channel scan three or four times but I can still get zero audio on WEEK 25-1 out of peoria. Signal strength is fine also. Is anyone else having this problem??

I have had the same problems with WEEK 25-1. I also have tried rebooting my Samsung 160. That is the only OTA digital that has no sound. I am able to receive 25-2 with no problems.

My WEEK has been great all week for the Olympics, but I have a question about WTVP-HD. My VOOM box picks it up on the scan with a Signal Strength of 99 (I get the other two PBS Stations in rock solid); however, the box always tells me that no signal is being received.

Thats what I am trying to figure out. 25-2 and 25 come in great. But the loop that they are playing on 25-1 has NO AUDIO. Whats the deal? Who can I contact??

I don't know anything about WEEK specifically, but generally if you call the station and ask for engineering you'll get the people who run the transmitters, etc.

MIKE

Made a few changes to WRSP's transport stream.. all should be fine now,
and you should have the EPG back. Please let us know if you see anything wrong.

Thanks in Advance!

FYI... The picture on WICD 15.1 is great for me... And I just have a loop antenna on top of the box, and only have a 36% 'strength' measurent... but it is consistent. I don't have an indicator for sound type.

migman, where are you located? Even after fooling with my antennae some, I still get frequent breakups in 41-1's video on a DISH 921. However, a DISH 811 on the same antenna array doesn't demonstrate that problem. Since I use 2 UHF antennae (one pointed east and one west) I may be running into multipath that the 921 can't cope with. I may next equalize the length of the RG6 going to the splitter which joins the 2 together and see if that helps things out.

MIKE

Mike, I am in Mahomet, about 9 miles west of Champaign... near the intersection of 47 and 150. I just have a simple non-amplified loop antenna sitting on top of my SetTopBox. I am looking into getting a better UHF antenna, and possibly putting it on top of my chimney if anyone has any suggestions.
I do have trouble getting a good reliable picture on FOX (WRSPDT 55.1 I think)
The Sammy 160 does not want to let me access 3-1 and 49-1 (both on uhf 48) at the same time...
If I ota scan last, I get 3-1 CBS only
If I download guide last, I get 49-1 UPN only
Anyone else get this...
Many months ago, I tried contacting Samsung, DirectTV, and the Stations, and no one was interested in solving the problem... Just pointing the finger at the other guys... So, NO UPN.
I also get 17.1,2 (ABC), and 23-1 (WB), and 15.1 (NBC) quite reliably.
Migman

Thanks for the information, Migman. You're probably ~10 miles further from WICD's tower than I am and are using an antenna with less gain. You could be on higher ground, though that may be pretty well irrelevant in this billiard-table flat county. To take antenna induced multipath out of the mix I unhooked the west facing antenna, but still get frequent drop outs on 41-1. Very curious.

Back to the drawing board. I guess that's the fun part of this hobby, solving problems that really shouldn't exist. That's what I tell myself anyway when I'm up in a sweltering hot attic covered with itchy insulation.

MIKE

mig,

As far as an antenna req, I just did a chimney mount with a DB4 and am very pleased (no straps, went into the brick). I have all major stations in my area. May get creative to try to pull in a stubborn tower located behind the antenna but thats another project for another day.

I was going to ask what happend to WRSP tonight. Then it dawned on me that it's almost 60 miles from my house and there are severe thunderstorms here with lightning strikes that sound like one ton bombs going off all around. What do you know? When those factors went away, 55-1 came back. Amazing ;-)

Originally posted by EAW
mig,

As far as an antenna req, I just did a chimney mount with a DB4 and am very pleased (no straps, went into the brick). I have all major stations in my area. May get creative to try to pull in a stubborn tower located behind the antenna but thats another project for another day.

I was going to ask what happend to WRSP tonight. Then it dawned on me that it's almost 60 miles from my house and there are severe thunderstorms here with lightning strikes that sound like one ton bombs going off all around. What do you know? When those factors went away, 55-1 came back. Amazing ;-)

If you do the math, 60 miles is about the limit you can hope for solid DTV recption for WRSP - or almost any station. (YMMV) 60 miles is right at the FCC minimum predicted level. So it is doing everything it could be expected to do - and more.

I have received WRSP at 65 miles with a Silver Sensor at 6 feet, hand held, on a Sony HD-300 reciever. So if you are West of Champaign, that is about right even on the house top.

Yep, electrical interference from the T-Storms can impact it as well as other issues. Keep in mind - line of sight even in the flat lands of Central IL is 57 miles from the WRSP anenna height with a receiveing antenna 25 feet in the air.

Your doing pretty good with the 3rd generation of receiver we're all using today :)

More to come. This is just the beginning. Happy viewing. Wait till the NFL on Fox and keep the faith. It will only get better. This is just the early days of DTV. - 1954 all over again.

Does anyone know if Fox-55 WSRP is transmitting PSIP data? My VOOM receiver is pulling down like an 85-95 signal from it, but it won't lock down the channel. This is usually caused by a lack of PSIP data being transmitted with the signal. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

Originally posted by HeavyC
Does anyone know if Fox-55 WSRP is transmitting PSIP data? My VOOM receiver is pulling down like an 85-95 signal from it, but it won't lock down the channel. This is usually caused by a lack of PSIP data being transmitted with the signal. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

Yes, WRSP-DT is sending full PSIP data including EPG.

May I ask your approx location?

WRSP IS transmitting full PSIP data.. Anyone else..Doug, Matt, seeing it or having a problem?? As I mentioned above, we have made some changes to
the transport stream, which could have an effect on some receivers.

Was the pre-season NFL game on WRSP last night in 720p? It sure looked sharper than 480p, but I couldn't find a way to make my receiver tell me what format it was receiving. Anyway, it looked good.

MIKE

The game was Shot in 720p HD, downconverted and delivered to us 480p,
and we upconverted it to 720p. Effective September 12th, it will be true
720p all the way..

I'm in Metamora Illinios (East of Peoria). I'm using the VOOM receiver. It has a feature where you can scan for out of area locals. When I put in RF55 last night it came back with a very stron signal (strong enough to lock on to), but the receiver would not add the channel.

Usually this is caused by one of the following things being missing.
1.channel number
2.MPEG service number
3.short name

If the VOOM receiver doesn't get all 3 of those, it won't let me tune the channel. Anyone else with VOOM in the Central Illinois area pulling down WSRP-55?

None of those are missing from the WRSP stream, as No receiver will work without those anyway. Most likely it's due to PAT/PMT generation. But, we
wouldlike to hear from others.

What is PAT/PMT Generation exactly? I've never heard of that. I'll try to lock it in again tonight and post my findings here again. Thanks for the help though.

My Motorola receiver is working fine on WRSP. I lent out my
Samsung T151 (with current software download) and the antenna
is in a basement, so there is no hope of testing it on WRSP. WCCU, full power,
probably yes.

Doug McDonald

It is on RF55 correct?

NO, WRSP-DT is on RF 44..

The Voom is a Motorola receiver.

Ahh, well maybe I should try the correct RF then? Anyone know what's on RF55? I was getting a strong signal from there.

RF 55 is WRSP-TV Analog..............................


DOUG- Pm me with your email. thanks.

bdfoxdoe ... for my email go to http://scs.uiuc.edu/chem/faculty/index.html
and look it up.

WRSP-DT has developed a transmitter problem and is currently off-air.
We are working on the problem. Errr.. I mean Ken is...

Parts are on order for WRSP-DT. It will be Tuesday at the earliest to have it back on air. I'll know more on Monday and post an update then.

Does anyone know if Fox 43 out of Bloomington has made any changes recently? There was a span of about 2 days where I couldn't receive them, now they are back up but the audio seems different.

Perhaps their lightbulb fell off of their broom handle and it took them two days to find somebody to tape it back on.


Sorry. Couldn't resist. I'm not do not know the answer to your question.

Parts for WRSP-DT are scheduled to arrive Wednesday. lf all goes well we should have it back on air that evening.

Originally posted by ktFOX55/27
Parts for WRSP-DT are scheduled to arrive Wednesday. lf all goes well we should have it back on air that evening.

Don't worry, we are all watching the Olympics anyway :D

Really, we are patiently waiting. You guys are doing a top rate job over there. Thanks.

Still NO AUDIO here on 25-1. I have reset, rebooted and reset the guide but no audio on 25-1. Everything else comes in fine. By the way, tonight I picked up a FOX 18 mapped onto a second 49-1?? Anyone know where this is from??

Yes, thanks for the update on WRSP. It's nice to have a model FOX station within range. Will be watching my OTA football with 55 as opposed to 43.

I'd like to see WRSP but I can't seem to pull in RF44. However, I'm one of the .000001% that pulls in FOX43 with hardly any problems whatsoever.

I'm going to try this again since I didn't see any responses . . .

Is anybody southeast of Springfield able to get WSEC-DT reliably? I got it one time but now I can't. I can't justify pointing my flaky rotor towards Jacksonville, but I also can't get KETC-DT out of St. Louis reliably. I'm guessing they aren't putting out a lot of power.

I guess I'm hoping I have better luck with WILL if they ever get live off the back of my antenna. I have pretty good luck with WRSP-DT and WICS-DT.

Originally posted by bdfox18doe
WRSP IS transmitting full PSIP data.. Anyone else..Doug, Matt, seeing it or having a problem?? As I mentioned above, we have made some changes to
the transport stream, which could have an effect on some receivers.

I just read this, I'll look when it is back on the air. I don't have my TS160 hooked up right now however, since I moved to a HD Tivo. Plan to have it going again in the next few months on a different TV. Then I'll be able to check PSIP with 3 different receivers ;)

Thanks MATT! Please let us know.

Don't know if this is relevant or even the appropriate place for this topic so feel free to scold me if I'm out of line. I don't even know if this is unusual:

I live in Morton, IL (8 miles east of Peoria). I have a chimney mounted DB4 on top of a tall two story, no obstructions. As of right now 5:59 cst. I've lost WHOI 19-1(40-1) and WAOE 59-1(39-1) BUT am watching KSDK 5-1(35-1) OUT OF STLOUIS.

Surely this is out of the ordinary? Is their something in the air or is this normal?

Edited to add: Antanna does not appear to have moved. It's fixed not on a rotor.

Am also now getting WCIA 3-1 (34-1) and whatever is on 32-1. I guess I see the trend. Things seem wacky around 30 - 40 digital freq range.

Is there an easy answer as to why this is?

Originally posted by turls
I'm going to try this again since I didn't see any responses . . .

Is anybody southeast of Springfield able to get WSEC-DT reliably? I got it one time but now I can't. I can't justify pointing my flaky rotor towards Jacksonville, but I also can't get KETC-DT out of St. Louis reliably. I'm guessing they aren't putting out a lot of power.


I live on the north west side of SPFLD. I pick up WSEC-DT very well. Hope this helps.

Originally posted by EAW

I live in Morton, IL (8 miles east of Peoria). I have a chimney mounted DB4 on top of a tall two story, no obstructions. As of right now 5:59 cst. I've lost WHOI 19-1(40-1) and WAOE 59-1(39-1) BUT am watching KSDK 5-1(35-1) OUT OF STLOUIS.

Surely this is out of the ordinary? Is their something in the air or is this normal?



Long ago I used to be a ham radio operator and one of the bands I used was UHF. Though usually radio wave propagation on UHF was stable and predictable, occasionally you'd get an amazingly long range contact. A lot of factors can come into play. If you're interested in learning more you might want to check out the ARRL Manual (the ham's bible). It has some basic and fairly easy to grasp information on radio wave propagation and the factors that can influence it.

MIKE

I might just do that. At least search it online for some basic info. Bout 10 mins after I posted, things went back to normal.

I also called a fellow local OTA HDTVer (who was expierencing no such reception strangness) who told me of a time years ago when he was in Connecticut and for a short time one evening was picking up a station out of Detroit.

Originally posted by EAW
I might just do that. At least search it online for some basic info. Bout 10 mins after I posted, things went back to normal.

I also called a fellow local OTA HDTVer (who was expierencing no such reception strangness) who told me of a time years ago when he was in Connecticut and for a short time one evening was picking up a station out of Detroit.

Yes. The ARRL manual is good to read, and plenty of projects to look over. Like the guy said, it's a bible of the HAM community. I would suggest going down to your local library and pick one up. They probably have several dating back a few years. Years ago I did the same thing back in CU, both Urbana and Champaign had them. I would hope your local library would too.

BTW, amateurs often call what you saw tropo, tropo ducting, or band opening. There probably was an inversion layer that enabled the signal to bounce or bend as far as it did to your house. But the conditions were not right for it to last any length of time. You often can get far away signals on UHF in the early morning hours before the sun heats up the atmosphere. Usually by 9 or 10am it’s all gone.

I'm in Metamora, and on occassion I can pick up NBC-5 out of Chicago along with the WPWR UPN station up there.

Aim your antenna toward cities in the direction of weather activity (inclement weather, hot/cold fronts, unstable air) and you'll have a good chance of picking up stations well beyond the horizon.

Many times if there is weather activity between 20 and 60 miles east of me, the South Bend UHF stations boom in from 90 miles away. I've also noticed that a majority of the times that I pick up Peoria, Champaign or Decatur stations, there just so happens to be a warning bug in the corner of the screen.

WRSP-DT is back! Enjoy :)

Noticed that tonight. Thank you!

Tonight I picked up ABC channel 8, 8-1, 8-2, 8-3 and NBC channel 56-1, 56-2 out of Davenport, IA. Coming in at about 60% strength.

Originally posted by ktFOX55/27
WRSP-DT is back! Enjoy :)

'Bout daggum time! ;)

Now if you can just get that splicer going!! :D

Assume I'm not the only one with no audio on WHOI 19-1 (40-1)?

Where is WSRP in relation to WAND? I pick up WAND just fine on most nights.

Where is WSRP in relation to WAND

WRSP is in Springfield; WAND is in Decatur. I think WAND's tower is just North of I-72, about 10 miles East of Decatur. I don't know where WRSP's tower is located in Springfield. I'm in Champaign and a Winegard Squareshooter antenna in my attic pointed WSW gets a reliable lock on both station's digital signals.

MIKE

Yeah, I'm in Metamora and I can usually pull in WAND, so I was just curious if they were near each other.

Also I think both stations are at full power or close to it, unlike a lot of digital stations who broadcast at very low power.

MIKE

Originally posted by HeavyC
Where is WSRP in relation to WAND? I pick up WAND just fine on most nights.

Both WRSP and WICS are next to each other. They are about 6 miles east of SPI on Mechanicsburg Rd., that road then T's into N Tower RD and S Tower Road. If you keep going for maybe another 1/2 mile east of the T on the country road that goes past both tower sites. WRSP is on the south side, and WICD is on the north side. You can tell at night, who is who; WICS is red flashing while WRSP is white flashing. WCFN (channel 3) is also in the same vicinity but I believe they are south of Mechanicsburg Rd and more like 4 miles east of SPI. They are on a much shorter tower with a directional signal that covers both Springfield and Jacksonville. However it looks like their DTV is not directional.

This will get you near, just to the west of Mechanicsburg

http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?ed=TQ4sWup_0TrgGa01rG9taOaKjA--&csz=Mechanicsburg+il&country=us&new=1&name=&qty=

WICS must be still at low power. Occasionally I get a rather tenuous lock on their signal, but usually it won't lock at all. WRSP is solid 100% of the time.

MIKE

Also I think both stations are at full power or close to it, unlike a lot of digital stations who broadcast at very low power.
WRSP-DT is broadcasting at 335kw. When analog TV is retired, we will increase to one megawatt.

Where is WSRP in relation to WAND?
You may want to check out the FCC TV database query (http://www.fcc.gov/mb/video/tvq.html) Just type in the station call letters, in the search results are links to maps showing the location of the transmitter. WRSP tower location map (http://tiger.census.gov/cgi-bin/mapgen/gif?lon=-89.446111&lat=39.799167&iwd=750&iht=750&mark=-89.446111,39.799167,bluestar,WRSP-TV_SPRINGFIELD_IL&on=water,miscell,counties,places,CITIES,&off=streets,GRID,shorelin&ht=0.5&wid=0.5)

That map is a reminder of how amazing it is that I and other Peoria area folks get that station with such reliability. Truely a blessing considering the local option.

I wish I could lock it in in Metamora. My VOOM receiver just won't seem to do it.

No wonder I have some occasional problems with WICD, their temporary permit only allow 2kW of power. That's amazingly low for a commercial station.


MIKE

Originally posted by HeavyC
I wish I could lock it in in Metamora. My VOOM receiver just won't seem to do it. Metamora – middle of the community, is 70 miles from the WRSP-DT transmitter. Even in IL, (really flat :)) that is a LONG way.

That said, the L/R coverage maps do say that Metamora (at least the dot where the City’s “point” is located) “could” get reception. That is, theoretically, with an antenna outside, up say 20’ and clear of obstacles and not a lot of loss from the lead in cable (‘really simplifying some important details here) you might be able to get WRSP with a good receiver. You are beyond the FCC predicted minimum signal curve. (And not in the WRSP-DT “market.”) But the FCC’s curves are very “generic” and are used for purposes other than absolute signal reception. Other predictors take a lot more into consideration and that is what I am using for my comments.

So, all that said, I have picked up WRSP-DT solid with a Silver Sensor antenna hand held / sitting on the top of the car at 65 miles. But there was nothing in the way of the receive antenna. So even if you do get it, I doubt it would be 100% solid. But ‘ya never know.

Like I said – 70 miles is a long way. :) Try it and good luck. Always happy to get reports.

By the way to EAW, I am sure they are very glad you can receive WRSP-DT. But you are likewise WAY outside the WRSP-DT – Springfield, IL “TV Market.” But you are so right, these DTV stations are going to allow people who take only a little trouble, to get more stations if they so desire.

Happy Dx-ing and NFL Fox HD.

I'm listed as 64 miles from WRSP's transmitter. With an attic mounted Squareshooter and pre-amp (on the minus side a splitter and a lot of contractor installer coax between antenna and receiver) I get the station so reliably I take it for granted. An outdoor mounted antenna might work for you.

MIKE

I'm 68 miles from WRSP and with an indoor antenna 5 feet below
the roof of a building about 100 feet away I get them with 99.9995%
reliability. There were breakups last night with the BIG thunderstorm.

That's what a big (for east of the Mississippi) transmit antenna
tower will do. WICD and WICS will do the same at full power.

Doug McDonald

Originally posted by jdmcdonald
I'm 68 miles from WRSP and with an indoor antenna 5 feet below
the roof of a building about 100 feet away I get them with 99.9995%
reliability. There were breakups last night with the BIG thunderstorm.

That's what a big (for east of the Mississippi) transmit antenna
tower will do. WICD and WICS will do the same at full power.

Doug McDonald

Yep, that about sums it up. More and more to come on this DTV thing. This is just the beginning. The great NFL experiment is next. :)

Thanks to KTFox55 for keeping WRSP-DT going!

According to the "Open Mike" column of "Patterns" published by WILL:

* "Very soon" you will be receiving WILL-DT
* The new antenna has been installed
* Installation of the new antenna has "revealed a major problem: the tower is not strong enough to with stand the load placed on it by ice and wind".
* There are two options:
* build a new tower for $1.5 M
* strengthen the old tower for $300K
* They don't have $300K
------
This sort of reminds me of one of the frequent comments of my high school algebra teacher: "You might as well be pouring sand down a rat hole".

Does anyone know when WICD will be at full power???

Cheers.

When I switched on WICS-DT this morning, I noticed they had resorted back to that horrible zoom mode for their SD programming. I don't know what the hell they are thinking. Somebody should make them sit down and watch 15 minutes of their own broadcast. Maybe then they'd realize how incredibly annoying it is to see chopped off foreheads and text all the time.

Grrr....

Thanks to whoever changed the configuration over at WICS. They're pillarboxing the 4x3 picture, and it looks MUCH better now. Don't know if they planned on doing this, received complaints, or maybe read posts at AVSForum... :D Regardless, it looks 100 times better than it did. Hope they continue broadcasting SD material this way.

I tuned in WICD last night expecting to see Leno in HD. It wasn't. Did WICS broadcast NBC's HD programming in HD last night?

MIKE

I think Leno was the only HD programming that NBC had on its schedule, but WICS didn't broadcast it. In fact, it was really weird. They didn't broadcast Leno at all. They showed Fear Factor instead.

There must have been a problem at a higher level, though. Several other NBC stations were showing Leno in SD, and at least one other station was showing Fear Factor. Here's a link (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=440723) to a thread with more information.

Looking for advice/suggestins for OTA in Central Illinois.

Here is the situation.

I live in Chatham, IL (zip 62629) which is just south of Springfield on the south side of Lake Springfield.

I used antennaweb.org to find my locals. I pointed a 4 bow CM 3021 to Decatur. The results are as follows..

WRSP-DT 55.1 FOX SPRINGFIELD IL 57° 15.8 miles - Comes in great
WSEC-DT 14.1 PBS Jacksonville IL 256° 19.3 miles - No reception but not expected given I'm pointing towards decatur
WCFN-DT 3.1 UPN SPRINGFIELD IL 50° 12.5 miles - Only able to receive if I'm at low power. Add pre-amp or any gain and multi-path kills it.
WBUI-DT 23.1 WB DECATUR IL 67° 47.8 miles - No reception at all
WICS-DT 20.1 NBC SPRINGFIELD IL 55° 15.3 miles - Comes in great
WAND-DT 17.1 ABC DECATUR IL 67° 49.6 miles - Comes in great


so I really have 2 problems.
#1) I probally need to split off WCFN before the pre-amp and then merge the signal after the pre-amp so WCFN does not get killed by the pre-amp. The pre-amp is needed because WAND will drop out on rain days without it. What is the best way to do this??

#2) WBUI is not coming in. I get a PERFECT cable like image on thier analog channel (22) and I get all other Decatur stations. I did get WBUI 1 time when we had rough storms, but other than that WBUI digtal has been a total no show. Any ideas on what is up with WBUI??

Thanks..

Bill

Bill, I'm a little surprised you're not getting WBUI. It won't come in as strong as WAND, but it should be strong enough for adequate reception. Maybe you're having a multipath issue with it.

Where do you have your antenna? Is it in your attic or outside? If it's in the attic, the signal may be bouncing around enough that it's confusing the STB. Or, I suppose it could be a PSIP issue, but I haven't heard reports of anyone having trouble with WBUI because of this.

Have you tried hooking up a small indoor antenna (such as Silver Sensor) and pointing it towards Decatur. If you can receive WBUI this way, then you should definitely be able to pick it up with a 4 bay ChannelMaster.

One other thing to consider... digital signals can be a little finicky. Sometimes just rotating your antenna a few degrees one way or the other is enough to dramatically increase signal reception and lock in a signal. I've found this out while trying to pick up all the stations you listed above (except for PBS). I'm able to do it, but my antenna has to be pointed very precisely to do so. (It also has to cover a 59 degree spread... ;) )

That's all I can think of off the top of my head. Hope this helps.

Still no audio on 25-1 and now its not even broadcasting in HD. Who do I call or contact at WEEK???

I'm having no issues with WEEK at all.

Leno in glorious HD last night, so Monday must have been a hangover from NBC's Olympic coverage. Is WICD/WICS broadcasting in 5.1? The digital light on my receiver is lit, but I can't tell what format it is receiving.

MIKE

Thanks for the comments Chilli_Dog

My antenna is mounted outside. It's on the north side my my house pointed at about 50 to 55 degress. I might need to raise it up higher, but so far I have not been able to receive WBUI. The one exception was last week, but that was storm related, as I was also receiving St. Louis and Peoria staions too.

Basicly at this point I'm trying to be friendly with my subdivision and keep the antenna lower than my roofline. While they can't really do anything about the antenna they can make trouble for me on other issues. So right now the antenna is only about 10 feet high.

I may try this weekend to get it higher and see what happens. Then my wife will have to decide if the extra headaches will be worth Gilmore Girls in HD. Too bad Charmed wont be HD this year, She would let me put up a 30' antenna array to get that.. hehe

Bill

WICD seems to be having a terrible sound-sybc problem. Anyone else
notice this?

Also .... while Leno was in HD last night, I was unable to tell any great
difference in picture quality between it and the locally produced (and
hence SD) live news shows that preceeded it! It looked like they
had the focus set wrong.

Any comments on this?

Also ... that strange cartoon show didn't look all that HD to me either ...
looked goodm, just no "wow" factor.

Doug McDonald

Doug,

I watched leno until 11 last night. It looked spectacular to me.

Dale

Originally posted by les_S
Still no audio on 25-1 and now its not even broadcasting in HD. Who do I call or contact at WEEK???

Hey les_s

I called the engineer at WEEK. He has had a handful of calls about this. Seems that it all Samsung 165 owners. It may have something to do with them splitting their bandwidth (25-2 channel). He asked me to see if I had any trouble getting WTVP HD because they are splitting their bandwidth like WEEK. I am unable to receive them at all. Use to be able to now I can’t.

I would guess there is some problem with the current firmware but I'm not sure. Owners of the 165 may be out of luck because I doubt that Samsung will do anything about it. If anyone has any ideas let us know.

My firmware update for the T-151 mentioned an update for the 165 ....
call them, be agressive, don't take no for an answer.

Doug McDonald

I have a friend with a Samsung 360 DirecTV HD receiver that cannot get WEEK HD audio.

Is WICD/WICS broadcasting in 5.1?

Every time I've watched WICS, it has been in Dolby Digital 2.0. No sign of 5.1.

right now the antenna is only about 10 feet high.
I think altitude would be your friend in this situation. Hopefully, you'll be able to raise it up a bit more.

You may also want to rotate it a little more towards Decatur. According to your chart, the Springfield stations are between 50 and 57 degrees, while Decatur is at 67 degrees. Your antenna is somewhere between 50 and 55 degrees. If you point it more towards the middle of the spread, you might be able to pick up all of them. Of course, you might lose WCFN in the process. They're pretty weak in terms of signal strength.
Then my wife will have to decide if the extra headaches will be worth Gilmore Girls in HD. Too bad Charmed wont be HD this year, She would let me put up a 30' antenna array to get that.. hehe
I don't watch our local WB station all that much, but last time I checked they were still broadcasting SD. That would be great if they switched over to HD. Might be enough incentive for me to watch Smallville. However, at this time, I don't think that's the case.

I won't tell your wife, though... :p

[i]
I don't watch our local WB station all that much, but last time I checked they were still broadcasting SD. That would be great if they switched over to HD. Might be enough incentive for me to watch Smallville. However, at this time, I don't think that's the case.

I won't tell your wife, though... :p [/B]

I e-mailed WB23 a couple of weeks ago inquiring as to their HD plans and (surprise, surprise) got no response at all.

I've been having good luck getting both Decatur and Springfield stations (at least WRSP) with a Winegard Squareshooter pointed WSW from Champaign. The Squareshooter is about as unobtrusive antenna as you'd ever hope to find and would no doubt do better mounted outside than in the attic, where I have mine. It is a bit pricey but considering the cost of HD displays and receivers, maybe the price isn't too far out of line. Occasionally solidsignal.com has some returns or blemished items they sell for about $75 or so.

MIKE

Anyone heard anything about WYZZ having their HD equipment up and running for football this weekend. Earlier this summer one of their engineers told me they'd be ready, but I haven't heard anything since.

Granted, I'm probably like 1 of the 3 people in central illinois who can get this channel reliably.

Let me guess you must live in the boonies and have the antenna in your backyard that would be what is needed to get WYZZ with its low power.

Is WRSP doing some work this morning? I'm off work and was getting a 6 (of 100) on the signal meter for them.

I ask only because they are so far from me yet I can get them with my DB4 but it has to be positioned just right. If they are out, I always wonder if maybe my antenna moved in the wind or something (not likely but I'm paranoid).

Yes, WRSP-DT was undergoing some maintenance this morning. No need to mess with your antenna EAW :)

Sweet. You guys are seriously the best. Plus the extention ladder is HEAVY. whew

We also don't want you to fall off the roof either!

If anyone cares, I spoke to the station manager over at WYZZ again and they basically said they are installing the equipment and it would be another 30 - 60 days before they could broadcast HD. I'm not exactly holding my breathe.

Heavy,

"another 30 - 60 days"

I was told that in February. ;)

Suspect your best bet will ultimately be a tall pole, jointenna fixed to 44 and a big yagi pointed at Springfield. Could be wrong though.

On a side note. I see this thread is now for Champaign folks. Still of use to me because I am a WRSP viewer and occasionally pull 42-1 (not that I need it, WEEK is solid). Anyway, should we start a Peoria thread? It will basically consist of (WYZZ sucks, WMBD blows and why isn't WHOI broadcasting "xxxxxx" program in HD when we know they can because they have before).

I don't want to hijack the Champaign (which is eastern Illinois not central ;) ) thread from these folks.

Take care

I'd be all for a Peoria/Bloomington offical thread.

There is already a Peoria thread, recently started ... just look or search for it.

Who changed the title on this one, which I started long long ago.

Doug McDonald

I live in the middle and would like it as it has been, Peoria, Springfield, Champaign and Decatur all in one.

Doug:

I was wondering who had done it, and assumed as you started it that you had made the change

Maybe you could email AVS and find out.

Geoffrey

Doug, Matt (CPanther95) our new mod, made the title change to clarify the
local threads.

WRSP's splicer is On-Line as of today, Ken will be doing some testing tonite during prime, so please bear with us. Please let us know here if you have any problems tonite.

Unfortunately, we have had a delay of equipment delivery due to mfg production issues that will delay the on-air of WCCU-DT for a while.
We'll keep ypu posted.

Thought Doug was the Mod

I would like to make it very clear that I'm only typing this because bdfox asked: 6:20 and my signal (60 miles away) is breaking up. Normally the answer would be: Dude your 60 miles away. But rsp is an exception.

.

EAW..What receiver are you using?

And, Dude, you ARE 60 miles away! But it is FLAT up there!

I agree with Doplar17 - keep this thread all of Central Illinois. Peoria, Springfield, Champaign and Decatur

T

Hughes E86.

Just back from training (10:00pm) and the signal meter on the receiver has WRSP (44) at 93. I've never seen it higer than the mid 60's here.

Did you put that puppy on roids? They can probably pick it up on the Quad Cities now. ;-)

Was it seriously at 93? I should try scanning for it again when I get home tonight.

Yes, and apparently not some night time fluke. This morning it's still 93 - 100. Give it a try for sure.

signal meter on the receiver has WRSP (44) at 93
Looks like the turbo charger I put on Wednesday is doing it's job, just wait until I install the flame throwers and sharks with lasers attached to their heads muwahaaahahhaha!

In all honesty, I can't think of anything that I did here that would cause that much of a signal strength increase. I'm curious to see if your receive strength will stay that way.

Well it will really be something if I can pick it up in Metamora. That's another 10 miles further than EAW.

I'll echo the sentiment, how did the mods decide this is a Champaign thread?

It should be Champaign-Decatur-Springfield, since officially
we are one market.

I can answer the question about WRSP signal strength.

It is tropo bending and ducting season. See

http://home.cogeco.ca/~dxinfo/tropo.html

in general and

http://home.cogeco.ca/~vem3ont22/tr_map/archive/5eam.jpg

(not viable long term) in particular.

I actually measure the signal strength of WRSP occasionally.
I did not last night because I was watching the football game and
doing some measurements on it. It varies by over 20 dB ...
a factor of 100... in signal strength, due to tropo bending and ducting.
It drops below useability perhaps typically for 5 minutes once every few
months that I am watching it, usually at sunset. Usually it is very
constant and long term changes a always up in signal strength rather than
down.

As shown on Hepburn's map. the enhanced reception can be strongly
directional. It has not been anywhere near as strong this year as
it was last year, when I often received the Quad Cities and St. Louis,
and occasionally Padacuh and Nashville.

Once I received Denver TV analog. Once I received, just like a local,
a Madison Wisconsin FM station while driving on I5 west of Tucumcari NM.

Doug McDonald

Originally posted by EAW
I would like to make it very clear that I'm only typing this because bdfox asked: 6:20 and my signal (60 miles away) is breaking up. Normally the answer would be: Dude your 60 miles away. But rsp is an exception.

.

It will be interesting to see if WRSP at 60 miles holds up during the winter. I.e. just a change in the weather conditions, etc. Long term WCCU-DT will "possibly" be your station of choice for Fox. Maybe? Nonetheless, it is fun to see how well this stuff works out there on the Edge. Many thanks for the reports and thanks to KTFOX55 for his excellent efforts. :)

Originally posted by jdmcdonald
It should be Champaign-Decatur-Springfield, since officially
we are one market.

This is the Official thread for the Champaign & Springfield-Decatur, IL DMA. It will be reflected as such in the List of Official Threads (Sample - Test Thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=443925) ) when I'm done compiling it. The primary market is only used to identify the thread so the front page doesn't become a jumbled mess.

Originally posted by CPanther95
This is the Official thread for the Champaign & Springfield-Decatur, IL DMA. It will be reflected as such in the List of Official Threads (Sample - Test Thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=443925) ) when I'm done compiling it. The primary market is only used to identify the thread so the front page doesn't become a jumbled mess.

The list is even numbered in order of market size by Nielsen Research. One aspect of this thread was it did report on peoples efforts of trying to pick up adjacent market stations, like St.Louis and Peoria, etc.

DTV Guy, Had it consistantly last winter with a terk powered set top.

jmac: bookmarked, thanks

As I occasionally venture to my uncles in Sherman I take time during the trip to marvel at the fact that during the whole 50 min drive I've been riding along next to my prefered Fox signal. Does that make me a geek? Probably, but I can live with that. ;-)

Originally posted by EAW
DTV Guy, Had it consistantly last winter with a terk powered set top.

jmac: bookmarked, thanks

As I occasionally venture to my uncles in Sherman I take time during the trip to marvel at the fact that during the whole 50 min drive I've been riding along next to my prefered Fox signal. Does that make me a geek? Probably, but I can live with that. ;-)


Do I understand that you have reliable reception while mobile? That is a lot of multipath to deal with in mobile application for generation 3 or less receivers. What receiver are you using please?

no, no. I just ment that when I'm on my roof at home, I can see the Peoria towers. But the WRSP tower is a 50 min drive and it's as reliable as the ones I can see. No mobile testing going on. :-)

guys here is my info from antennaweb

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=444718

what antenna should I go with? I'm 21 yrs old and a rookie at this. Im helping out mom who is 40 and wants HD local as well as her DirecTV channels.

TX, what town. What part of town (north, south east, etc)

Anyone notice the activity of this thread in the last few months has gone way up. A good sign.

:D

T

Hi. I am over in Terre Haute where WTWO and WBAK are owned by Nexstar. Rumor has it that your Nexstar CBS station is granting waivers so you can get CBS in HD on DirecTV. I was wondering what procedures you guys in Champaign had to go through to get the waiver?

Do you contact DirecTV? The station? The FCC? What is the procedure? I'm hoping to get waivers once DirecTV adds NBC and Fox in HD.

Thanks for your help.

Jason Blair

Please keep us informed. I doubt it's a nexstar policy as we have one of those little gems here (not champaign) and they seem to have no such policy ;-(

At the point the parent company says they have no intent of offering HD, I think not signing a waiver is out of line.

Save any "local advertising" arguments you may have. The HD content is prime time and major sports and that's what we want it for. If we still want the local news or want to watch SD versions of reruns, the locals that granted the waivers will still be there.

Originally posted by jasonblair
Hi. I am over in Terre Haute where WTWO and WBAK are owned by Nexstar. Rumor has it that your Nexstar CBS station is granting waivers so you can get CBS in HD on DirecTV. I was wondering what procedures you guys in Champaign had to go through to get the waiver?

Do you contact DirecTV? The station? The FCC? What is the procedure? I'm hoping to get waivers once DirecTV adds NBC and Fox in HD.

Thanks for your help.

Jason Blair

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jdmcdonald
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I was informed by WCIA this morning that wiavers to get
a satellite HD feed were available.

I have no intentioning of getting one, since I don't want to spend
the money for an HD satellite receiver. Besides, it's a bit late for the
Super Bowl.

Doug McDonald
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jdmcdonald
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Registered: Apr 2002
Location:
Posts: 896
I talked to the general manager. I was bitching about the SuperBowl
in SD when he mentioned giving two HD waivers Friday morning, and
37 recently.

This does not help me, since I have no intention of spending money
on a satellite HD receiver.

Doug McDonald
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mraub
Senior Member

Registered: Jul 2001
Location: Champaign, IL
Posts: 318
I have more information to add on waivers to get the CBS-HD feed. According to DISH, my initial request for a waiver was denied by WCIA. I know someone who works at WCIA and asked her to approach the General Manager to see if that decision could be changed. I now have in my hand a printout of waiver for the DISH Network packages. ............................................................ ........
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Nexstar stations........ http://www.fccinfo.com/CMDProFacLookup.php?tabSearchType=Lice&sLicensee=NEXSTAR%20BROADCASTING,%20INC.

Reading through the last 5 or so pages of this thread, I don't see anything about either WCIA or WCCU. What is the status/probability of HD on either?

I assume WCIA is still slated to bring us HD approximately 7 weeks after hell freezes over.

Now that NFL has started, I'm really Jonesing for Fox in HD. I cannot pick up WRSP at my location (east Urbana, out by Rte . 130).

I'm seeing WICD's digital signal, but there doesn't seem to be much of any actual HD content on NBC (at least on the weekend).

-Dan

Jasonblair:

The waiver was easy through E* or D*. I have been on D* for 6 months and once applying you are approved within a month.

T

I wonder if CBS is leaning on its non-HD affiliates to grant waivers when requested. I don't know when affiliate franchise agreements come up for renegotiation, but I suspect this will be something CBS raises. I hope they tell affiliates to upgrade to HD or we'll find a broadcaster who will.

Are there any NexStar affiliates that are HD (maybe they had already converted before NexStar bought them). Their website makes no mention of HD at all, at least as far as I could see.

MIKE

WCCU is awaiting shipment of of equipment. They will be on when
it arrives and they get everything working.

WILL will be on when they get good and ready and when
finally they can't find any other reason to stall. They have
developed the art of the "accidental thing we forgot" stall to
a new level. They are discussing October. Last year they
were discussing December at this time of year ... December 2003.
So is it October 2004 or october 2005?

Doug McDonald

Still do not have a delivery date on the equipment for WCCU as of today.
It was ordered in April.

Originally posted by bdfox18doe
Still do not have a delivery date on the equipment for WCCU as of today.
It was ordered in April.

Wow, with that kind of delivery turnaround I assume the equipment has gilt etching and hand-rubbed mahogany knobs? ;)

Thanks for the update.

-Dan

No, But it is pushing the technology a bit, which is why it is being delayed.

What is it?

Doug McDonald

Anyone have any information on WB23? I e-mailed them a month or so ago ago inquring about their HD plans (if any), but never received a reply.

MIKE

23 has been in hd for quite some time. However, at this moment, they are not on the air at all. Must be having a problem of some sort.

Originally posted by doplar17
23 has been in hd for quite some time. However, at this moment, they are not on the air at all. Must be having a problem of some sort.

They have been digital for some time, but they are not broadcasting in HD.

Green Bay / Chicago not in HD on WRSP... :(

And blacked out on Sunday Ticket. No Bears-Packers in HD. WRSP:mad:

The Bear - Packer game is now HD. Thanks WRSP:D Glad I can get your signal here in Bloomington. WYZZ is a joke.

Looks like LoveMySonyHDTV beat me to the punch. I found the problem and the NFL game is in HD now.

Thanks Ken!

Hooray for Ken!

Originally posted by ktFOX55/27
Looks like LoveMySonyHDTV beat me to the punch. I found the problem and the NFL game is in HD now.

Fortunately, the Packers didn't solve the problem and the Bears held on to win. Watching the first half in SD compared to the second half in HD really highlights how much HD adds to the viewing experience.

MIKE

Originally posted by ktFOX55/27
Looks like LoveMySonyHDTV beat me to the punch. I found the problem and the NFL game is in HD now.

Now if you can only find the missing part for WCCU, so that us that are "Foxless" can enjoy!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Oh, we know where the missing part for WCCU is..now getting it delivered is another story..

Originally posted by bdfox18doe
Oh, we know where the missing part for WCCU is..now getting it delivered is another story..

Hell, I've got a couple of days free. I'm primed & ready for a road trip. Just give me the Fox debit/credit card and I'll go get the @#*& thing! :cool:

Ok, but without the mfg making the software work it won't be much good..
which is the hold up..maybe we need to get Doug to go up and show them
how to make it work! Love this beta gear!

Can't get a waiver from WCIA for CBS-HD off of Directv and I can't get channel 3-1 with an antenna pointing right at the station. What is the nearest CBS station to springfield other than channel 3 that I can try and pull in?

Has WCIA changed their policy on waivers? I had no problem getting one about a year ago.

I am pulling in their digital signal on channel 53 (CBS, UPN) from an antenna in my attic. Channels map to 49-1 and 49-2. According to antennaweb.org, I'm about 8 miles from their tower.

Anyone have issues with MNF last night on WAND?

Several of us had problems on WHOI 19-1 and I was wondering if it was limited to just that station or if other ABC stations had problems with the feed.

I had the game freezing up every couple of minutes all the way through. It would freeze and signal strength would show it was okay then a second later drop out and come back at normal signal strength, all game.

I watched the whole game on WAND (being a lifelong Eagles fan, it gave warm fuzzies to watch them win in HD), and saw no problems at all...

-Dan

WHOI has been doing that since Saturday.

I know some who have sent email correspondence to them asking if the problem will be fixed soon.

Don't know if anyone has received a response.

Originally posted by les_S
Can't get a waiver from WCIA for CBS-HD off of Directv and I can't get channel 3-1 with an antenna pointing right at the station. What is the nearest CBS station to springfield other than channel 3 that I can try and pull in?

Have you talked to the station manager at WCIA? I think WCIA routinely denies waiver requests submitted from the satellite carrier, but in the past have granted them freely if you contact them directly.

Let us know how it comes out.

MIKE

Depending on exactly where you are located Les I don't see how they can deny you if you live in Central Il. I had no problems about 7 months ago getting one from D*.

T

OK I just got a HD STB and WAND has lip sych problems. I thought this was fixed last spring.

ideas???

T

Which STB do you have? And what kind of TV?

I've got a Hughes HTL-HD hooked to a Sony LCD GWIII. Occasionally, I'll see a lip sync problem with WAND. Not too often, though. I assume it's a problem on the station's end, since I don't really notice it on other channels.

Hitachi 57S500 RPTV and a new LG 4200A STB. It was really noticeable during "Castaway" last night.

T

Originally posted by thumperxr69
Hitachi 57S500 RPTV and a new LG 4200A STB. It was really noticeable during "Castaway" last night.

T

I occasionally see it on WAND with a DISH 921, so I doubt it's specific to one type of STB. I can understand how lip sync was a problem with film, since video and audio are recorded separately, but why is it ever a problem with digital. It seems like the images and soundtrack could be so well linked that they could never become unsynchronized.

MIKE

Originally posted by mraub
I can understand how lip sync was a problem with film, since video and audio are recorded separately, but why is it ever a problem with digital. It seems like the images and soundtrack could be so well linked that they could never become unsynchronized.

MIKE

You misunderstand fundamentally.

Film is easy. Digital is hard.

You misunderstand the fundamental fact of digital TV: it
runs on proprietary hardware running proprietary software that
costs big bucks.

The key word is "software".

Such software is invariably BUGGY. What you are seeing is,
basically, BUGS. Some day, hopefully, they will get killed
and all will work as it is supposed to.

Doug McDonald

Originally posted by jdmcdonald
You misunderstand fundamentally.

Film is easy. Digital is hard.

The key word is "software".

Such software is invariably BUGGY. What you are seeing is,
basically, BUGS. Some day, hopefully, they will get killed
and all will work as it is supposed to.

Doug McDonald

In the early development of DTV they had serious issues with lip sync. Being digital and MPEG-2 was relatively new to the broadcast manufactures. Often they would have TV's with pretty pictures or Travelogs where you don't need lip sync. To hide the fact that they were not in sync. You still can see sync problems even on providers such as DirecTV and Dishnetwork. It's not just limited to digital TV; you can get the same problems in analog. CNN used to be really bad about this. Whenever they would have two pictures up, one from the studio and the other from some remote site. The remote would be way out of sync. They would pass the remote signal through too many analog to digital and digital to analog conversions that the timing would be thrown off because the audio had a different path.

Doesn't digital video have a built in time code, keeping track of elapsed time, number of frames, etc. Why can't audio be locked to this time code so the two always remain in sync? There are no doubt technical reasons that make this more difficult than I've made it sound.

MIKE

Originally posted by mraub
Doesn't digital video have a built in time code, keeping track of elapsed time, number of frames, etc. Why can't audio be locked to this time code so the two always remain in sync?
MIKE

Just like I said: bugs in the software.

If TV stations really CARED about digital, it would be fixed
in weeks.


Doug McDonald

I have my antenna pointed at sprinfield, I pull in 17-1, 20-1, 23-1, 25-1, 55-1, but I can't pull in 49-1 or 49-2. I can recieve 49 clear as day on standard but when I scan for digital I get nothing.

Originally posted by mraub
Doesn't digital video have a built in time code, keeping track of elapsed time, number of frames, etc. Why can't audio be locked to this time code so the two always remain in sync? There are no doubt technical reasons that make this more difficult than I've made it sound.

MIKE

This works if you imbed the audio with the video, tying them together. Most of the newer digital facilities are using imbedded audio, one to keep them together and two, it cut's down on the number of cables needed. The other side is just bad engineering, like the CNN example. They simply did not design or care enough to take into account the sync issues with passing the video around. Processing audio hardly takes any time, while it takes fractions of a second for video. Do this a couple of times and everything’s thrown off. I suspect that CNN's issues were a facility outgrowing its usefulness, one kludge after another tell they finally rebuilt an entirely new facility. But like others have said, software bugs do account for some of this. As we know, not all receivers are made alike.

I'm going to be moving to Urbana and living on Stone Creek -

corner of Windsor and 130 area

Would appreciate any help in the type of Antenna and height I would need to get HDTV.

Also, the covenant for that development which was written some years ago say
that outdoor antenna's are not allowed. Can they still enforce this with the FCC regs allowing for outside antenna's?

Thanks ever so much,

Geoffrey

Originally posted by gels
I'm going to be moving to Urbana and living on Stone Creek -

corner of Windsor and 130 area

Would appreciate any help in the type of Antenna and height I would need to get HDTV.

Also, the covenant for that development which was written some years ago say
that outdoor antenna's are not allowed. Can they still enforce this with the FCC regs allowing for outside antenna's?

Thanks ever so much,

Geoffrey

I live about a mile from there in Myra Ridge. I can get WRSP-DT reliably.
But I'm on the top of the ridge. You are going to be considerably lower. I'm betting it would take a really high tower to get WRSP from stone creek.

Once WCCU goes on the air, you'll be able to get FOX from them easily. They are waiting for a vendor to sort out some software problems with a piece of equipment they've ordered to finish their HD conversion.

FCC Regulations trump homeowner association covenants and the like. I've had good luck with a Winegard Squareshooter, which is no more visually intrusive than a DBS satellite dish.

MIKE

Has anyone had any luck with the Winegard Square Shooter antenna?? I am just north of Springfield and I am looking for something with some flexibility. They have a new ss-2000 (which is an amplified version) which just came out. The WAF is big deal for me also. I could put this on my back deck. I guess I can just point it south. I have pretty much given up on WMBD (CBS31) in Peoria. They must be sending it out at about 2 watts.

Any users of the Square shooter???

Thanks
T

Any users of the Square shooter???

I've got one in my attic. It is the unamplified version, but I do have a preamp in the line since there's a lot of cheap, contractor-installed cable and a couple splitters between the antenna and tv set. It works great for me. I'm able to get reliable reception of WRSP in Springfield, which is a bit over 60 miles from my house. Since attic mounting supposedly knocks down the signal ~50%, no telling how far I could reach with it mounted outside :)

I got my SS from Solid Signal, one of the advertisers on this board. Very good price and service.

MIKE

Anyone notice that WICS seems to have significant macroblocking on fast moving scenes? It's very similar to what occurred during the Olympics. I was hoping it was just one of the "kinks" they were working out during implementation, but it seems to be a permanent feature. Given that they are not broadcasting any other subchannels, I find this very odd.

For those of you receiving WICD or WEEK, do you notice the same thing?

Welcome to Stonecreek!

With a small Trek antenna outdoor, I am getting all the channels (3-1, 15-1, 17-1,2,25-1, and 49) in the area. I am thinking of getting a Windgard Square Shooter for the out of town stations. In the event you decide to get one, please let me know how it works in Stonecreek.

Tom

WILL ---- three months.

That says it all ... I called WILL-TV today and was told
not to expect them on the air for another three months.

Doug McDonald

Originally posted by jdmcdonald
WILL ---- three months.

That says it all ... I called WILL-TV today and was told
not to expect them on the air for another three months.

Doug McDonald

Is PBS-HD on DISH or Directv? If so, I wonder if they'd grant a waiver to get it from satellite until they get their act together. I've seen a couple of shows recently that PBS is doing in HD that I would have liked to have viewed.

MIKE

Thanks so much dsinder, Tom and Mike.

Was just over there for the final walk through and will close tomorrow,

Will keep you posted how I go with the OTA.

The square shooter sound pretty good.

Wonder if Doug could tell me how hight I will need to go with the antenna in this area?

Would appreciate any other input and help with my reception.

Cheers,

Geoffrey

Geoffrey,

I have my Squareshooter mounted in the attic of a 2-story house. Outside mounting would significantly improve its performance. All of our digital transmitters are to the east and west of you. In east Urbana you may be able to pick up WICD and WCCU (not yet on the air) off the back side of the SS pointed to the west.

If you're new to the area, CBS is the HD problem here. WCIA has no plans to implement HD in the foreseeable future. CBS-HD is available via satellite, but you'll need a waiver from WCIA. These are usually available if you visit the station manager and request one. There is now something called a CBS-HD specific waiver, which will allow you one of the CBS-HD feeds, but not distant SD feeds.

MIKE

As to antennas in Champaign-Urbana, it depends on how
far east you are and how high you are.

A friend in west Champaign gets all local stations with a small antenna
in the basement (!). Heavyharmonies, on the east edge,
needs a modestly respectable antenna outside above the roof.
These do not get WRSP, but I think people can live without
Fox HD until WCCU comes on unless they absolutely must have
more HD football. For that you will need a very good antenna if you
are behind Yankee Ridge (i.e. eastern Urbana).

Doug McDonald

Hi Doug:

Not sure where this is:


"Yankee Ridge (i.e. eastern Urbana)"

I'm going to be at Stone Creek Urbana on the BLVD which is pretty open. 130 and East Windsor.

Thanks for your info.

Geoffrey

Are you moving into that big house which has been under construction for a long time? I am near the Hwy 130 entrance to the subdivision and have no problem receiving all channels with a small indoor/outdoor antenna mounting under the one story roof. You should be ok mounting the Square Shooter in the two story attic! The back of my house where I mounted the antenna is wide open space and the antenna is pointing west.

LOL

Tom:

Not the big one nor the 500,00 one that is for sale on the BLVD but a single story house --sorry.

I'm sure I'll be able to get something going for the OTA.

Have a good one.

Geoffrey

Does anybody get WCIA-DT in Mattoon?

Doug McDonald

Lovemysondyhdtv-

What antenna are you using to pick up WRSP out of Bloomington? Sure would be nice to pick up the Bears/Packers game in HD.

I'll go the extra mile just so I never have to watch WYZZ again.

:/

I live right outside of Springfield about 10 miles and I can't get WCIA-DT (3-1) which is broadcasting from Springfield I believe.

Can anyone???

T

OK I am confused on WCIA. Can someone clarify where the antennas are located??? I just saw a DTV stations list that showed WCIA at station # 48. I thought the it was at 3.1???

T

CBS in Springfield is WCFN-DT, channel 53 (physical). They are
on a 500 foot tower about 8 or 10 miles due east of Springfield.
They are at only slightly more than pathetic power: 1.8 kW.

You will NOT get them on channel 48, which is between
Champaign and Monticello, also low power.

They are probably remapping it to 3-1, though I am not sure.

At that power, it should be reliably received by anybody
within 10 miles of Springfield, unless they are in a serious
low spot. You need a good UHF antenna: some may not work all that
well at ch 53. Unless you are in a low spot or don't have the
antenna at roof level you probably don't need a super duper
antenna. Of course you will also get UPN on the same channel.

Doug McDonald

Originally posted by hypokondriak
Lovemysondyhdtv-

What antenna are you using to pick up WRSP out of Bloomington? Sure would be nice to pick up the Bears/Packers game in HD.

I'll go the extra mile just so I never have to watch WYZZ again.

:/

To receive WRSP and WAND I use a small Radio Shack Yagi. It does a better job than my CM 4228 that is aimed at WEEK, WHOI and WMBD. I tried to use the CM 4228 to pick up WRSP but had problems with drop out. Signal would drop for a few seconds every 3 minutes or so. Had a small Yagi so tried it and it does a better job. No drops now.


Good Luck WRSP is worth it for us that are in WYZZ land. Love WRSP.:)

Originally posted by thumperxr69
I live right outside of Springfield about 10 miles and I can't get WCIA-DT (3-1) which is broadcasting from Springfield I believe.

Can anyone???I can get it in the Sherman area using a ChannelMaster 4228 and preamp in my attic.

Originally posted by jdmcdonald
They are probably remapping it to 3-1, though I am not sure.They used to map CBS to 3-1. Now it's at 49-2. UPN is at 49-1. They also crank the volume up much higher than other channels. It'll blow you out of your couch if you're not careful.

Originally posted by Chilli_Dog
I can get it in the Sherman area using a ChannelMaster 4228 and preamp in my attic.

They used to map CBS to 3-1. Now it's at 49-2. UPN is at 49-1. They also crank the volume up much higher than other channels. It'll blow you out of your couch if you're not careful.

Is this the Yagi you are using?

http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&product%5Fid=15-2160

If so - might give it a try - looks small which would be nice. Are you running both the 4228 and the Yagi?

I have a Winegard 4400 and it does ok on NBC(25-1) and PBS (46-4), but signal is not always stable. I also pick up WAND-DT (ABC 17-1) and UPN (23-1).

I can't pick up HOI-DT, WEEK-DT, or WRSP-DT with the 4400 though - if I can with a Radio Shack I might as well switch.

I'm not using a Yagi. Only the 8-bay ChannelMaster.

Thanks to whoever (Ken?) flipped the HD switch at WRSP during the football game. I was starting to get bummed about no HD football this afternoon.

Ken, seems like this has happened a couple of times recently during the Sunday games. Starts out in SD, then flips over to HD 1/2 way through the first game. Do you guys utilize an automatic switching mechanism (and is this not working properly), or does someone have to be there to manually switch to HD? Just curious.

Thanks.

Does anyone know why the first half of the Cowboy/Giant game wasn't in HD on WRSP-DT (55-1)? I noticed the same thing happened several weeks ago during the Bear/Packer game.