Please let me know the email address of the person(s) in charge of turning on the High Definition signal to the 32-1 HD channel at WLKY-DT.

I had to call 3 time today to get the Colts vs. 49ers game on in HD.

Now later the same night the TV show Cold Case, and the Sunday night move: The BTK Killer are not being shown in High Definition.

I personally think they are not doing there job, and only flip the switch for HD when they get enough people calling in waking them up.

A link on the web site would be nice to send an email, and a direct number to the correct department would be nice, instead of having to call the news desk each time.

Scott Douglas
8217 Grandel Place
Louisville, KY 40258
(502) 500-****
kline@iglou.com

Correct me if I am wrong but I don't think CBS sends every program down the HD pipeline (I assume it is satellite delivered) unless it is an HD program. So we'd just get color bars whenever an SD program was supposed to be on CBS.

I am assuming when HD is involved WLKY has to switch to a different feed from where they normally get the program (which is an SD source).

And in the case of NFL games WLKY has to choose the proper feed/game that they are supposed to broadcast. But it still shouldn't be that difficult and a doublechecking should be required on their end. Surely they can monitor the other CBS HD feeds and if they see if their game is broadcast in HD, and if they are using the SD feed, they could switch it immediately. We shouldn't have to miss almost the entire first half of the HD broadcast waiting for them to do their job.

And this assumes they don't have a list sent to them of CBS' HD offering that they could reference... which I'd imagine they do have (or can get from the 'net).


-AKH


Someone found the correct feed after everyone called in today... Which means they found the correct HD feed...

Now later the same night the TV show Cold Case, and the Sunday night move: The BTK Killer are not being shown in High Definition.

The late games (Colts vs. 49's) + 60minutes ran overtime by five min, but the primetime CBS-HD (east) feed started on time at 8:00pm. Thus WLKY had no choice but to run primetime in SD (or chop off the first five minutes of Cold Case, or have the SD and HD feeds out of sync.)

... Another Sunday of guess which CBS affiliate gets synced up for primetime... gotta love football season.

In addition to complaining to the local WLKY station for failure to switch to HD signal during Colts game, suggest people complain to their parent company as well:

http://www.hearstargyle.com/contact_us/index.html

I sent a note suggesting they tie the pay of the engineering staff to how well they remember to 'flip the HD switch'. Or, at least set some performance standards.

"Engineering Staff" anymore is basically everyone from Master Control / VTR operators up to the Director of Engineering...

Master Control gets its orders from traffic and programming.. If the program log does not say " Switch HD feed" then the operator may not even know if the program is in HD and that it should be on the air..

If they don't know... it doesn't happen..

The engineers are the ones who find the feed and get it on the air.

Just so you know who does what..

William

"Engineering Staff" anymore is basically everyone from Master Control / VTR operators up to the Director of Engineering...

Master Control gets its orders from traffic and programming.. If the program log does not say " Switch HD feed" then the operator may not even know if the program is in HD and that it should be on the air..

If they don't know... it doesn't happen..

The engineers are the ones who find the feed and get it on the air.

Just so you know who does what..

William

True William however, since all the local commercial stations have been bought from local ownership at high prices they have cut everything they can and this includes salaries and therefor skill level. They could care less about the HD feed the local people just see it as costing them money with no return. In Louisville the exception to this is WAVE which can now cover the area with there DT 3.2 rather then the poor coverage from there Oldham County antenna folly. At WAVE the GM does care the engineers do not. The managers do not care the workers do not care and they will not until they are forced to turn off the analogue signal. The dumbing down of local stations is truly sad but, a fact we who care must live with.

Did WDRB-DT flip the high power switch? Great signal here in Bloomington IN this morning.

Jerry

Easy now . . . careful !

Not all MC operators are Log bound hammerheads that consider their time at work a good chance to get caught up with the family on the phone.

Some of us actually DO care if it gets on the air and it's quality. Whether it's one channel or six, HD, SD, or just a dub to VHS. What we have control of and if we can actually monitor it . . . that's a different story. ;) :D

"My job is not to run the yacht, the horn I cannot blow.
It's not my job to say how far the yacht's allowed to go.
It's not my job to throttle down or even clang the bell.
But let the damned thing hit the dock and see who catches He!! ".

Been lurking arond for a while but finally decided to chime in. Guess William brings out the best in me. :p

LD

Did WDRB-DT flip the high power switch? Great signal here in Bloomington IN this morning.

I was wondering the same .... I'm getting a signal, but everything from the L.A. is getting beat down right now. WDRB-DT is in third place, but still just below the threshold.

You make my point. If you are provided the equipment to monitor. Management does not care. You may care but, you can not do anything about it because ownership does not care about we the viewers or you the employee. Times have changed but, not for the better.

Scott,

If your responsible for getting the Colts game switched to high
definition...I thank you. I was watching the same yucky picture and was
wondering what was going on.

The man in charge of the engineering department is Jim Mercer.... e-mail jmercer@hearst.com...

Or on the Weekend call.... 891-4932.

Thanks again,
Rick V.

I'm getting a strong signal, but no picture.

:(

Surface and Earl are about the only 2 shows I watch on NBC.

I'm getting a strong signal, but no picture.

:(

Last two days my Dish receivers (942 and 811) have not locked in on WAVE. Same symptoms - good signal but no picture. Left a message for Engineering to call me today - no return call.

Sony receives the signal but no Guide info....

I'm getting WAVE DT in Bedford OTA on a Hughes HD (Directv rcvr). Guide is working. All looks normal.

I'm also recieving 41DT which is abnormal except on 'special' conditions. I don't see any other station appearing which makes me think 41 has turned up the power and it is not weather conditions. (Normally, if 41 DT is coming in then 11DT, 15 DT and 58DT are coming in as well and analog on 15, 58, 34, etc are improved).

EDIT: Now that the local news is over and Leno is on I can tell you that the HD is working but the audio is out of sync and there is an echo on Wave DT.

-AKH

I was seeing the 'strong signal, no picture' problem yesterday on my Accurian 6000 tuner, but my Fusion 5 was showing the video without problems.

This morning, the WAVE problem is gone and WDRB is still 80%+ in Bloomington IN.

Edit: Maybe I spoke too soon, WDRB seems to be back to low power at the moment.

Jerry

WAVE-DT had PSIP problems yesterday. It's fixed now, but you should look for it on 47-3 and 47-4 when that happens. The garbled audio on Leno was present on WLEX too, so it might have been a network issue.

I get no blips from either WDRB or WFTE this morning ...

I get no blips from either WDRB or WFTE this morning ...

Nothing here in Bedford from WDRB DT this morning either...



-AKH

WAVE-DT had PSIP problems yesterday. It's fixed now, but you should look for it on 47-3 and 47-4 when that happens.

My Dish receivers will not work this way... I was totally hosed during the outage.

G.

My Dish receivers will not work this way... I was totally hosed during the outage.

You might try doing a local channel scan the next time it happens. Without (at least one) re-scan to store the "faulty" PIDS, my TiVo won't recognize it either.

WAVE-DT had PSIP problems yesterday. It's fixed now, but you should look for it on 47-3 and 47-4 when that happens.

Just checked the last scan which was during the outage.... 47.3 and 47.4 never were detected...

Did not appear on the 942 or the Sony tv..

G.

Hey guys,

I have an OTA in conjunction with E* question. After some advice on here and the HDTV Hardware forums, I bought a Channel Master 4228 antenna. I just finished mounting it in my attic. I hauled a TV up there with me to test the signal while I found a good spot to put it. I was able to get 11, 32, and 41 in very strong on analog. I also got 58 fairly well and 3 fair to poor. Should I be able to get 11 and 32 in HD pretty well based on the analog strength? And 41 also if they have the tower at full power?

Second question. My E* was just installed about 1-2 months ago. They used all Dish Pro Plus equipment. I have one line coming in from my two Dishes. This line goes to a splitter/multiplexer (whatever you call it). It is inputted on the splitter at a spot marked SAT. The line running from their to my 942 receiver connects to the splitter at IN/OUT. The 2nd TV line comes out of the splitter at a spot labeled UHF/VHF.

I don't know how to connect my antenna to this splitter to send the OTA signal down the same wire as the signals from the dishes. I can't run another coax line to the 942. I do know that the tech split the line at the 942 to run it to the two SAT inputs and the OTA input. I assume all I need to do is get the OTA antenna inputted somewhere in the attic. Anyone know what I need to do? Thanks in advance for the help.

I didn't want to do it.. We pulled it Wed afternoon. ..

The plan is to get a local HD service up on KET4 ASAP and then restore one on WKMJ-DT...

I''ve been working on it for a little while but need additional hardware...

The KET4 HD feed will be local as of tomorrow night..


No HD-VTRs .. HD server...

and yes it is much less..

Please get Soundstage back... Martina McBride would have been so kool in HD..

G.

Hey guys,

I have an OTA in conjunction with E* question. After some advice on here and the HDTV Hardware forums, I bought a Channel Master 4228 antenna. I just finished mounting it in my attic. I hauled a TV up there with me to test the signal while I found a good spot to put it. I was able to get 11, 32, and 41 in very strong on analog. I also got 58 fairly well and 3 fair to poor. Should I be able to get 11 and 32 in HD pretty well based on the analog strength? And 41 also if they have the tower at full power?

Second question. My E* was just installed about 1-2 months ago. They used all Dish Pro Plus equipment. I have one line coming in from my two Dishes. This line goes to a splitter/multiplexer (whatever you call it). It is inputted on the splitter at a spot marked SAT. The line running from their to my 942 receiver connects to the splitter at IN/OUT. The 2nd TV line comes out of the splitter at a spot labeled UHF/VHF.

I don't know how to connect my antenna to this splitter to send the OTA signal down the same wire as the signals from the dishes. I can't run another coax line to the 942. I do know that the tech split the line at the 942 to run it to the two SAT inputs and the OTA input. I assume all I need to do is get the OTA antenna inputted somewhere in the attic. Anyone know what I need to do? Thanks in advance for the help.


You need to run a separate antenna lead to the 942. I have a 942 and two 811's all runnig off the same antenna. Don't try to send the OTA signal down the dish leads. You loose alot of OTA signal.

OTA digital signals come in on the UHF band. Channel 3 transmitts on UHF channel 47, 11 transmitts on UHF 55, etc. Check out http://antennaweb.org/ for more info. Using this site you will find out where the antenna needs to be pointing...

Your first "splitter/multiplexer" is called a switch. The second "splitter" should be a separator.

Right now I'm having problems with 11 and 3 getting them to lock in on my Dish receivers... :confused: Every other station comes in fine (excpt the tramsmitters that are not on the Knobs...). The antenna you are using is directional also.

G.

Please get Soundstage back... Martina McBride would have been so kool in HD..

G.


Saturday night at 11:00 on KET4

... or 10:00pm in the eastern time zone :)

Personally, I think it makes more sense to program "Soundstage" on Saturday. It often wound up sitting on my TiVo until Sat. anyway ...

Saturday night at 11:00 on KET4

Kool... I'l be recording :)

Thanks!

He right its on at 10:00 pm Saturday... It recorded at 11:00 last night..

Sorry

... And in case anyone is wondering, it looks like the last original "Soundstage" of the season (with Dave Mathews) won't air until sometime in November.

Saturday night at 11:00 on KET4

Whoo Hoo!!! Got it. Now I get to see it again when RAVE decides to air it.. :)

Thanks KET!!!

G

Hey guys,

I have an OTA in conjunction with E* question. After some advice on here and the HDTV Hardware forums, I bought a Channel Master 4228 antenna. I just finished mounting it in my attic. I hauled a TV up there with me to test the signal while I found a good spot to put it. I was able to get 11, 32, and 41 in very strong on analog. I also got 58 fairly well and 3 fair to poor. Should I be able to get 11 and 32 in HD pretty well based on the analog strength? And 41 also if they have the tower at full power?

Second question. My E* was just installed about 1-2 months ago. They used all Dish Pro Plus equipment. I have one line coming in from my two Dishes. This line goes to a splitter/multiplexer (whatever you call it). It is inputted on the splitter at a spot marked SAT. The line running from their to my 942 receiver connects to the splitter at IN/OUT. The 2nd TV line comes out of the splitter at a spot labeled UHF/VHF.

I don't know how to connect my antenna to this splitter to send the OTA signal down the same wire as the signals from the dishes. I can't run another coax line to the 942. I do know that the tech split the line at the 942 to run it to the two SAT inputs and the OTA input. I assume all I need to do is get the OTA antenna inputted somewhere in the attic. Anyone know what I need to do? Thanks in advance for the help.

I won't comment on the E* portion, but if you are getting a strong analog signal from 11,32,41 & 58, you should get a good digital signal. I get a good analog signal on those stations except for 3 which is located in a different direction than the others & I have no problem receiving 3,11,15,21,32,41,58 & 68 in digital.

I get a great signal with all the local channels except WHAS 11, which I can get no signal. I have an old roof top antenna and it works great for the digital/hd signals for channels except 11, any advice? Thanks... Also, will any of the local channels give a waiver so you can get the national HD feed from Directv?? Thanks

thanks... doesn't suprise me, as the majority of people i've spoken with at the local stations are not the brightest bulbs on the tree.

For the last couple of weeks, I have started to notice a problem with the dolby audio. I have an ota stb connected to Pioneer 45tx receiver via coax. I am starting to notice that sometimes when I change channels, the audio will be there then it disappears for a second and then comes back. Any one else having that problem. I have not found this problem when watching Dish Network, only from the stb.

What kind of stb? I also have Dish and use the 942 and 811's for OTA with no problems.

G.

I believe the name of it is direct stream, from circuit city. It is a standalone ota stb. Switch to optical cable last night with the same results. Read some place where this is normal.

Anyone know how to get in touch with engineering for 68.1? I sent an email to DTV email link off the ket.org site today and tried to get someone in Louisville to return a call today...

68.1 is pixelating and audio is dropping out.... I wanted to let them know they might have PSIP problems by the way my 942 is refusing to lock in on the signal.

G.

I didn't detect any problems with the stream as it left Lexington..I'll have them check a couple of things on site Monday... (Can't call in anyone per overtime restrictions) but I reset the Louisville PSIP system anyway..

KET-HD is gone for a while anyway... you might need to delete and reload the channel..

William

I didn't detect any problems with the stream as it left Lexington..I'll have them check a couple of things on site Monday... (Can't call in anyone per overtime restrictions) but I reset the Louisville PSIP system anyway..


William,
I noticed the same symptoms on 68.1 after the demise of the fulltime HD feed, but the analog transmission on Ch68 looked ok and KET2 from WKPC was also ok.

The glitches on 68.1 seem to be happening at a regular time intervals ...

... for what little it's worth ...

Called in to the news room to complain about dropouts, audio problems, etc with the feed on WAVE 3.1... Let it go for about 30 minutes (also emailed Steve about it)... Check the Sony TV - same problems.

Called in again to let them know it was happening on 2 receivers... The response I got was "We don't monitor our high definition feeds". :confused:

When are they going to get the message!... :rolleyes:

WAVE does not monitor their feeds... WLKY refuses to turn on DD...

WDRB is the best. Never had a problem with them. Never had to call... :)

WHAS is the best for fixing my antenna problem for OTA reception. ( Thanks Bill!!)

KET is also tops on my list!

G.

Does anyone know if there was a last minute change or something. I thought Cincinatt vs the Steelers was supposed to be in HD today?

It is supposed to be HD - I just called WLKY, and they said they're aware of the problem and are working on it.

Does anyone know if there was a last minute change or something. I thought Cincinatt vs the Steelers was supposed to be in HD today?

I just called the newsroom and they claim they're having technical difficulties and an engineer is working on it.

502-893-3671 is the number

I just called the newsroom and they claim they're having technical difficulties and an engineer is working on it.

502-893-3671 is the number

Wasn't the pregame show in HD? Unless the issue is from the network I doubt the 'technical difficulties' are anything more than operator error with a sprinkling of 'not caring' thrown in.

I think the only reason they'll care enough in the short term to make sure they use the HD feed when it is available is the calls to the station and wanting to avoid those.

-AKH

Wasn't the pregame show in HD? Unless the issue is from the network I doubt the 'technical difficulties' are anything more than operator error with a sprinkling of 'not caring' thrown in.

I think the only reason they'll care enough in the short term to make sure they use the HD feed when it is available is the calls to the station and wanting to avoid those.

-AKH

I agree, hence the reason for posting the number. Eventually they did turn it on, but I'm sure it was for some other reason than "technical difficulties".........

William,
I noticed the same symptoms on 68.1 after the demise of the fulltime HD feed, but the analog transmission on Ch68 looked ok and KET2 from WKPC was also ok.

The glitches on 68.1 seem to be happening at a regular time intervals ...

... for what little it's worth ...


See if its any better now.. I had the on site tech reset the redundancy switch .. I think it was hunting for the HD feed...

William,

I'll try to check it later tonight, but I have a feeling that the tropo about to give up for the season. It's been a few days since I've gotten anything other than WAVE and WLKY reliably. Hopefully, somebody closer to the L.A. can check it out for you.

68.1 is not pixelatting anymore, but the channel will not scan into my Dish 942. It still shows a 99% signal but will not lock and it can not retrieve the HD channel number.

G.

I've been unable to receive 68.1 for a few days, tried rescan tonight and no luck. Using my old Voom box for OTA. I did notice that 3 now has another useless sub channel 3.3 (nice color bars :rolleyes: )

Any one having sound problems with digital 21? If I have my av receiver on, the sound is very loud, like they have their volume turned way up. If I change back to the analog sound the sound if normal.

I did notice that 3 now has another useless sub channel 3.3 (nice color bars :rolleyes: )

It's NBC Weather Plus now...

I heard 3 was going to put up a weather channel last year. Is it still on, because now I'm getting no signal on 3.3, I was getting the color bars..

On a slightly different topic, I can understand why a station might want to run multiple sub channels, but why would they run a stretched 480i version of 3.1 on 3.2 ??? What a waste of bandwidth.......

Jeers to WAVE 3 for their wasting of bandwidth. <sigh>



Anyway....anyone else missing audio on WHAS tonight? I can *see* Monday Night Football but I don't hear a darn thing.


edit: Well, just called the "night" number for WHAS and the guy answering sounded a bit weirded out that a non-employee was calling that number. Anyway, I passed on that there's no audio on the HD channel and he said he'd talk to them about it.

edit 2: Now there's audio...woo hoo

Well, the audio is fine now but geez the picture is horrible. That sub-channel for the WHAS weather radar is killing picture quality.

For the last two days WAVE 3 has been mapping to 47.1 on my Dish 811's... Looks like they have PSIP problems again...

I just got my OTA antenna working yesterday, and I was worried the audio dropout was because of low signal strength. I have posted on here earlier about trying to get my setup working. I have a CM4228 in the attic (I live at zip 47454 about 35 miles from the towers). My biggest problem has been getting the coaxial cable down to the Dish 942 receiver from the attic (down 2 floors). I tried adding an extra diplexer to incorporate the OTA signal into the cable running from the dish to the receiver, but I had no luck with that. I assume it is because I had to add a preamp to my setup to get a decent signal, and the diplexers won't allow power passthrough for the antenna (I am very new to all this, but I am pretty sure this is correct).

Anyway, I am getting signal strengths as follows:

WAVE 3.1 at 69-70
WHAS 11.1 at 67-68
WLKY 32.1 at 89-90


I don't get a signal for Fox or the WB, and when testing the only analog stations I picked up well are the big 4 networks. I guess I don't get WDRB because they are broadcasting in low power again. Anyway, without suggestions from folks on here and on the HDTV Hardware section, I wouldn't have been able to get a OTA HD signal. So thank you!

Could somebody explain to me why WDRB would need to apply for an STA to operate their DT at full power and height, especially when they have a perfectly good CP approved and (supposedly) have finished construction? I haven't seen this sequence of applications at the FCC before. :confused:

PS: even more important - Why the heck is the FCC dragging their feet?

Anyone know the Insight QAM channel for Universal HD? I believe Insight broadcast this channel in the clear, but several people (including myself) can't locate.

thanks

Why are there so many problems with this digital/hd signals? Why is there always problems with audio sync, picture but no sound, sound but no picture, incorrect program information or nothing at all? Is it because this is "new" technology or because they aren't doing everything necessary to make it work?

Perhaps it's because people are not calling in droves to complain about them (problems) ...

re: WDRB-DT

.... humm .... further searches on the FCC site turned up WIPB (Muncie,IN) and WDKA (Paducah, KY) as potential "problems" for WDRB on Ch49 ....

Especially WDKA who apparently also wants Ch49 for it's post transition DT channel.

Are there not enough transmission slots to choose from right now? I know nothing about how these slots are assigned or selected, but I would think that each of these three stations would be able to find a frequency that no other station within 120 miles or so are using.

I just got my OTA antenna working yesterday, and I was worried the audio dropout was because of low signal strength. I have posted on here earlier about trying to get my setup working. I have a CM4228 in the attic (I live at zip 47454 about 35 miles from the towers). My biggest problem has been getting the coaxial cable down to the Dish 942 receiver from the attic (down 2 floors). I tried adding an extra diplexer to incorporate the OTA signal into the cable running from the dish to the receiver, but I had no luck with that. I assume it is because I had to add a preamp to my setup to get a decent signal, and the diplexers won't allow power passthrough for the antenna (I am very new to all this, but I am pretty sure this is correct).

I have fought 942 issues from day one....

Started out with antennas in the attic... First one was a cheap Home Depot antenna . No dice. Next was the Square Shooter... No Dice. I went for the highest gain antenna I could find... Winegard 9095. Stuck that sucker in the attic... Same problems. Multipath problems...

With the urging of Bill at WHAS I moved the antenna out of the attic and above the roof. What a difference! Every staion comes in great (using the 9095). Get that antenna out of the attic! Get rid of the diplexer!. Straight run to the 942.

I even eliminated the amp..

G.

Called in tonight to complain again about WLKY not turning on DD 5.1... Got passed the news desk, then to a gal that listened to the complaint, put me on hold and finally she got someone on the phone that had something to do with enginering...

I explained I have heard DD 5.1 months ago... His replied was they were experimenting...

His next response was call during the day and ask for Jim Mercer...

G.

I'm thinking about building a MythTV box or some other PVR solution because as a long time TiVo user I can't stand the DCT6412. Plus, I don't want to put out all the extra cash and I'd like a little more control over the system.

It's been asked several times in this thread, according to what I've searched so far, and never been answered. The question is whether or not you can use a card or set top box that has QAM support so you can pick up the HD channels from Insight. Also, are the channels unencrypted, etc.

Thanks.

Hi Rick:
I'm in the same boat. Unforutately no PCI card supports the Cable Card. You can only view the unencrypted HD channels using a QAM tuner PCI card. Insight only broadcasts the networks in the clear. You can't view or record ESPN HD, HD Net, HD Movies, HBO HD using a PC.

I've researched the new Sony HD PVR which accepts a cable card, but many complaints about the guide and other anomalies. Maybe TIVO HD in 2006... they have promised Cable Card input.

You can only view the unencrypted HD channels using a QAM tuner PCI card. Insight only broadcasts the networks in the clear. You can't view or record ESPN HD, HD Net, HD Movies, HBO HD using a PC.Networks only would be fine. Any idea how much that would cost from Insight? Free? I was told a cablecard was $1.95. I wouldn't want or need the digital box. Could I pick it up with just Classic and Basic?

People with the 942...

Many are getting improved OTA reception after placing a DC block on the OTA input. The block can be found at RadioShack. Apparently the 942 outputs 12v on the OTA input. More can be found here http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=42166&page=1&pp=25&highlight=macroblocking .

This has solved my problems with WHAS DT.

Yes, moving you're antenna outdoors will help greatly.

Networks only would be fine. Any idea how much that would cost from Insight? Free? I was told a cablecard was $1.95. I wouldn't want or need the digital box. Could I pick it up with just Classic and Basic?

Rick, you don't need anything from Insight. If you already subscribe to the HD locals then all you need is a PCI capture card with QAM support. I had a Fusion HDTV5 card. It works welll with Windows MCE for OTA HD, but the proprietary software (required for QAM I think) has been a headache (but updates have improved the software).

I built a windows-based HTPC and had the Fusion card for awhile. I don't know about Linux compatibility with any of the capture cards, and I can't even remember which offer QAM support because it has been quite awhile since I was researching them. The MYHD card is supposed to be good, and I have a friend that has had alot of succes with Myth and Hauppague cards. The HTPC thread has a Linux-specific subthread. They will know more info over there. The one thing I will recommend is that you use a card with hardware decoding/encoding (Fusion doesn't) because it takes the stress off of your processor and seems to work better.

I have fought 942 issues from day one....

Started out with antennas in the attic... First one was a cheap Home Depot antenna . No dice. Next was the Square Shooter... No Dice. I went for the highest gain antenna I could find... Winegard 9095. Stuck that sucker in the attic... Same problems. Multipath problems...

With the urging of Bill at WHAS I moved the antenna out of the attic and above the roof. What a difference! Every staion comes in great (using the 9095). Get that antenna out of the attic! Get rid of the diplexer!. Straight run to the 942.

I even eliminated the amp..

G.

Because of WAF the antenna is not coming out of the attic. I did forget about stacking the OTA signal into the same coax as the Sat signal. I bought a amplifier from Radio Shack with a box that attaches at the antenna and an amp at the receiver input. It seems to do the job. I did say that I don't get anything from WDRB, but I figured even having the antenna outside or buying a stronger amp wouldn't make that much difference since they aren't broadcasting with much power.

Rick:
A subscription is not required to view the HD locals (WHAS, WAVE, WLKY, WDRB, WKET) on Insight. Nor do you need the Insight cable card to pick up the HD network stations. The lowest tier cable package ($13/month) provides the HD locals, as long as you have your own QAM tuner. PCI Card "myHD" (retail $199) handles QAM and seems to be the leader among the HD PCI cards.

Here are screenshots from my "myHD" card taken from WAVE digital channels 3.1 and 3.2:
http://www.louisvillehdtv.com/sdvshd.aspx

If you already subscribe to the HD locals...What if I cancel my HD locals, is the signal still there? If not, what's the cheapest way to do it.

I want to get rid of the DCT6412 which is currently $14 / month and includes the HD locals. Of course, I'd also drop the $7.95 HD Pack since I suppose those channels are encrypted and couldn't be decoded by a QAM card.

Anyway....anyone else missing audio on WHAS tonight? I can *see* Monday Night Football but I don't hear a darn thing.


edit: Well, just called the "night" number for WHAS and the guy answering sounded a bit weirded out that a non-employee was calling that number. Anyway, I passed on that there's no audio on the HD channel and he said he'd talk to them about it.

edit 2: Now there's audio...woo hooYup, I noticed that too. I just got my HDTV the prior Sunday and got my HD box from insight on Monday the 31st. MNF was my very first recording. I was flipping out thinking that that was not a good sign. Fortunately the sound came on at about the second play of the game.

Hey Rick. Nice to see a familiar name on the board. Welcome to the frustrating world of high definition TV. It really shouldn't have to be this hard should it?
Good Luck!
Scott Shanks

What if I cancel my HD locals, is the signal still there? If not, what's the cheapest way to do it.

I want to get rid of the DCT6412 which is currently $14 / month and includes the HD locals. Of course, I'd also drop the $7.95 HD Pack since I suppose those channels are encrypted and couldn't be decoded by a QAM card.


I don't have or live where I can get Insight. I would imagine cambus knows what he is talking about in regards to whether the HD locals are automatically broadcast to you with the most basic package.

I don't have or live where I can get Insight. I would imagine cambus knows what he is talking about in regards to whether the HD locals are automatically broadcast to you with the most basic package.I missed cambus's post, he must have posted while I was still typing my message, then I went on to some other pages. Would have missed it if you didn't point it out. Seriously.

Hey Rick. Nice to see a familiar name on the board. Welcome to the frustrating world of high definition TV. It really shouldn't have to be this hard should it?
Good Luck!
Scott ShanksHi Scott! Funny meeting you here. You're right, it is much harder than it should be, and I'm in the computer business (www.rickscomputerservices.com)!

Anyone else having trouble with WAVE and WHAS DT signals this morning? All my other OTA Louisville stations are coming in fine, so it doesn't look like the wind last night took out my antenna. But I get no signal at all on any of the 3 or 11 digital sub-channels as of 9 AM.

Dan

Same here. No 3 or 11, my wife turned on the TV around 5 when the storm was blowing through and it wasn't working then. Looks like the storm took out the digital side. I bet they had the analog up quick. I wonder how long it will take them to get around to worrying about the digital side........

Both WAVE and WHAS DT were back in service when I returned home at 2 PM.

It seems it would be a nicety if they would put a crawler on their analog stations notifying folks that the digital side was only temporarily down. I could imagine some customers needlessly climbing on the roof to check their home antennas and cables, especially since 2 of the primary city broadcasters were down. I suspect there are a good number of people who might think 3 and 11 send their digital signals over the VHF band the same as their analog channels.

Dan

I see WAVE-DT has resumed weather+ on 3-3. You'd think they would at least get rid of the redundant 3-2. :(

I made some changes on WKMJ-DT last week... rescan and let me know if they worked..

811's find it OK. The 942 adds 68 but still will not lock in or display channel number when manually adding.

G.

I made some changes on WKMJ-DT last week... rescan and let me know if they worked..

Good News/Bad News

In the wee hours I was able to get enough signal from WKMJ-DT to do some testing.

The good news is the HD-Tivo was able to scan and decode a single sub-channel ("KET-2") mapped to 68-1. It also finds 68-1 from the "old" D* guide data (68-1 and 68-2 both tune to KET-2.) I did not experience the periodic glitches from week(s) past.

The bad news is that the E-86 couldn't find 68-1 ("KET-2") no matter how many iterations of clearing, re-scanning or "manual tuning" I tried.

Everybody check to see if their antennas where still standing this morning and not stuck into the back windshield of your neighbor's car? It was a good evening to have the antenna in the attic. :rolleyes:

I know it has been discussed somewhat, but does anyone know where WDRB is on getting their channel frequency settled with the FCC? Just curious if anyone knows any new info on when they might go high power.

Well, this may be old news to everybody else, but just did a channel scan and was able to tune in WDRB 41.1 for the first time. Ironic that I just asked about this today. I assume they are broadcasting high power or otherwise I wouldn't get this station. I just hope this is permanent (although I probably doubt it).

Yep, unless there's some wacky post frontal tropo going on, it looks like WDRB flipped the switch this afternoon.

I see where the Macy's Parade will be in HD... Is WAVE pretty good about getting the switch flipped correctly? It will be on Thursday, Holiday morning... Do we need to remind someone so it gets done correctly. I know WLKY is always missing the switch for early football games. Have not had much trouble in the past with WAVE, but really have not watched much outside of prime time one NBC.
Just thinking this might be pretty good demo material for some of the family that has not seen HD before.

I just now noticed DRB has once again kicked their transmitter into hyper mode and is actually replicating their analog coverage!

My Accurian box is registering a nice clean 26db signal 70mi north of their tower.Anybody notice when they flipped the switch?

Edit: Dumb me,I scrolled up a couple of posts and found the answer.They might stay on full power this time around.When they had it up several weeks ago prop levels were extremely high,putting a much stronger signal in here,and interfering with WIPB analog 49 in Muncie,which is another 57mi further north.Bad timing to test a full power signal.I think they will leave it alone now,unless they can't afford the power bill :-)

Greg B

Open note to WAVE...

Picture 4.3... Audio GREAT!!! Watching on 3.1 :)

G.

Edit: Dumb me,I scrolled up a couple of posts and found the answer.They might stay on full power this time around.When they had it up several weeks ago prop levels were extremely high,putting a much stronger signal in here,and interfering with WIPB analog 49 in Muncie,which is another 57mi further north.Bad timing to test a full power signal.I think they will leave it alone now,unless they can't afford the power bill :-)

Greg B

I've been checking 41.1 occassionally the past few days and it has been rock solid here just west of Bedford, IN. I hope they don't ratchet back down again.

58.1 is barely a blip on the meter tho.

The gets me 3 out of the Big 4 (NBC, CBS, FOX) (and all from Louisville). Unfortunately, WHAS DT is but a blip on the meter under normal conditions so no ABC DT for me. Someone several posts back said they believed 11.1 was full power but I hope that's not the case (altho I guess one of these days supposedly 'soon' I will be able to get my local ABC digital/HD from Directv).

Hughes Directv HD receiver. Ant on 40' tower for OTA.

-AKH

I see where the Macy's Parade will be in HD... Is WAVE pretty good about getting the switch flipped correctly? It will be on Thursday, Holiday morning... Do we need to remind someone so it gets done correctly. I know WLKY is always missing the switch for early football games. Have not had much trouble in the past with WAVE, but really have not watched much outside of prime time one NBC.
Just thinking this might be pretty good demo material for some of the family that has not seen HD before.

Looks pretty darn good to me! :)

Just curious, is it possible to extract a recorded show from the insight HD box (the single box)? If so, could someone point me to a howto or something similar? Thanks!

I don't think it is possible to extract a recorded show, but you can record the network channels on the fly through firefire. See this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6595814

Any idea why Surface is being letterboxed... Is this a local or national problem? :(

G.

Re: Surface

It looks like it was a network issue. It was SD (mostly stretched ... blah) from WLEX too.

Is it just my eyes or did WAVE 3-1 picture quality drop a LOT yesterday when they started to broadcast Weather+ on 3-3? Anyone have any means of comparing 3-1 bandwidth pre- and post-addition of 3-3?

The content on 3-3 is hardly worth the bandwidth -- I really needed another Weather Channel. But, if they are being forced by NBC to broadcast Weather+, at least they can kill the useless 3-2 stretch channel and free-up some bandwidth for 3-1.

Brian.

Is it just my eyes or did WAVE 3-1 picture quality drop a LOT yesterday when they started to broadcast Weather+ on 3-3? Anyone have any means of comparing 3-1 bandwidth pre- and post-addition of 3-3?

The content on 3-3 is hardly worth the bandwidth -- I really needed another Weather Channel. But, if they are being forced by NBC to broadcast Weather+, at least they can kill the useless 3-2 stretch channel and free-up some bandwidth for 3-1.

Brian.

WAVE needs the 3-2. It is used to feed area cable head-ends since there brilliant move of the transmitter to Oldham county most people need cable to receive this local channel.

We need to have a very well organized campaign to get the corp. owners of our local stations to give full bandwidth to HD or they will add weather traffic, etc. to try and make $. Remember they care not about you but only how much money they can make. For the most part they can not even monitor HD at there facilities because it does not matter to them. Where can they sell more commercials that is what matters.

Not that I'm a fan of Weather Plus, but once again a news story has missed the chance to inform people of free OTA broadcasts. The Courier-Journal (http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051201/COLUMNISTS15/512010341/1048) today reports that "NBC and WAVE-TV are giving The Weather Channel some competition on digital cable. Insight digital subscribers, or people with digital receivers, can dial up Channel 128 for 24-hour weather information". No mention that is is also free OTA for those with ATSC tuners on channel 3-3.

Anyone hear any rumors of when Directtv will offer Louisville Area HD local channels?

Anyone hear any rumors of when Directtv will offer Louisville Area HD local channels?

Considering we are in DMA #50, I would be surprised if it happened within a year from now.

Anybody watch the FSU-Virginia Tech game on ABC tonight? Video was really choppy through the first half. Didn't know if it would be ABC broadcast or our local station to blame. Plus, it kept switching back to SD every 5-10 minutes for the last 8 minutes of the game so they could run a weather alert bar at the bottom. Kind of agrevating overall. I usualy don't complain (just happy to have HD at all), but this wasn't a very good presentation in HD tonight.

Hi DAMAC,

I see that you are from the Paoli area...me too. I live on Unionville Rd, just outside of town and have an old antenna (not sure of the model) with an amp purchased about 6 years ago all mounted on a 40' mast. I am using a dish network 921.

I can get 3 (90-95 signal) and 41 (66-70 signal) without many break-ups or checker boarding. However, 11 and 32 have the same signal strength as 41, but they break-up and checker board quite a bit. Sometimes 11 won't even acquire due to the signal fluctuating from 60-70 to 0.

I was just wondering if you are having any better luck and what you think might be the cause of the differences in signal strength that I am experiencing (old antenna, my location, something else...)

Thanks in advance for any input

I complained to WDRB on thursday regarding having to suffer through the 2-9 Packers against the 8-3 Bears instead of the Cowboys-Giants game.

I actually got a quick reply they agreed the Cowboys-Giants game was the more compelling game but their hands were tied and they had no choice but to show what Fox told them to show.

I didn't know the local affiliates were obligated to show the games that Fox told them to show.

EDIT: I just saw the distribution map on the main AVS HDTV Programming page, had I seen it before. I wouldn't have complained to Fox in the first place. I still don't know why Fox would think that anybody outside of Greenbay or Chicago would want to see the Packers-Bears game.

UK-UofL game on Dec 17th at 2 PM in HD on CBS per HDsportsguide

Hi DAMAC,

I see that you are from the Paoli area...me too. I live on Unionville Rd, just outside of town and have an old antenna (not sure of the model) with an amp purchased about 6 years ago all mounted on a 40' mast. I am using a dish network 921.

I can get 3 (90-95 signal) and 41 (66-70 signal) without many break-ups or checker boarding. However, 11 and 32 have the same signal strength as 41, but they break-up and checker board quite a bit. Sometimes 11 won't even acquire due to the signal fluctuating from 60-70 to 0.

I was just wondering if you are having any better luck and what you think might be the cause of the differences in signal strength that I am experiencing (old antenna, my location, something else...)

Thanks in advance for any input

Hey Gleo! I wouldn't be surprised if we know each other. Paoli is so big and all! :rolleyes: I'll send you a private message with my info in a little bit.

Anyway, I found a couple things strange about your results. I get 32.1 in the strongest at about 90-92. Next is 3.1 at about 78-80, and then I get 11.1 and 41.1 in the low 70's. I hardly ever have a dropout of these two, but it has happened. I thought it was strange that 32.1 doesn't come in well for you. Antennas and preamps pull in some frequency ranges better than others, and 32.1 devaites from the other three (frequency assignment 26; the others are in the 40's and 50's). So for 32.1, my guess is that your antenna and/or preamp aren't as good at the low end of the UHF as at the upper end. All the stations have pretty much the same compass orientation, so I wouldn't think that would be the problem, either.

I have a Channel Master 4228 antenna with a Winegard AP87XX preamp (can't remember the exact model and I'm at work). My antenna is mounted in the attic of my house right now, but I have a pretty decent shot toward the East (I live on a hill next to the golf course). I have a Dish Network 942 receiver as my HD tuner. I don't know exactly where you live on Unionville Rd, so I have no idea what the landscape is where your house sits. But I would say with a 40' mast you should get all big four networks with no problem as long as you aren't right behind a hill to your east. I think the easiest thing to try first is upgrade the preamp. I tried the $60 Radio Shack preamp, and it worked well. I only upgraded to the Winegard because it gave me about 2-5 extra % signal strength across the board, and that was important for 11.1 and 41.1 to keep them from cutting out. If it doesn't really improve your signal, you can return it. If that doesn't do any good, you need to think about changing the antenna. I have been very happy with the CM 4228 that I have.

Unless you have a hill right in the way, there is no reason you shouldn't be getting better numbers than me since my antenna is in the attic. I would bet you would do very well with a CM 4228 and the Radio Shack preamp. They would cost you about $130 including shipping for the antenna from solidsignal.com. Or you could get a Winegard preamp instead for about $10 more (might be worth it). The only other factor is that I have heard the 921 tuner isn't quite as strong as the 942, but from what I have read it shouldn't make a tremendous difference.

I hope this helps!!! Great to see another Paolian on here. :D

One more thing - if anyone on here has better advice than what I have given, feel free to say I am wrong. I have only been interested in OTA HD a few months. I have done a lot of reading, but I am limited in length of experience.

EDIT: I just saw the distribution map on the main AVS HDTV Programming page, had I seen it before. I wouldn't have complained to Fox in the first place. I still don't know why Fox would think that anybody outside of Greenbay or Chicago would want to see the Packers-Bears game.

One reason is that Greenbay is supposedly one of the most popular teams in the NFL. So there is a large Packer following nationwide. Unfortunely, Fox has marked Louisville as a midwest territory and not a eastern one. As some one who grew up watching the great NFC eastern matchups in the 80s its painful to be stuck watching Chicago play every Sunday.

I was pleasantly surprised to discover wdrb has finally flipped the switch. I was having to watch wxix 19 out of cincy for my hdtv. I recorded a few signal strengths from my direct tv h10. I am in Madison, IN and antennaweb is showing i am about 40miles from the towers in louisville. I have a CM 4228 antenna with a CM 7777 pre-amp. Anyhow here are the signal strengths from my h10.

3.1 wave 93-100%
3.2
11-1 whas 93-100%
11-2
15-1 wkpc 100%
15-2
15-3
15-4
15-5
15-6
32-1 wlky 93%
41-1 wdrb 88-93%
58-1 wfte 69%

I just sent this message to Gary Schroeder at WDRB. I live in LaGrange, KY:
In a previous email you told me that WDRB-DT's transmitter is right next to that of WHAS-DT. Yet I continually get a much stronger signal from WHAS. Today I am getting a peak signal strength of 85 from WHAS-DT and 64 from WDRB-DT!

Why is your signal so poor? It so poor that I can't even watch it due to freeze ups and pixilation. If you cannot put out a better HD signal, Please STOP carrying New York Giants football games so that I can watch them in HD on DirectTV!

chuckmccky I live in Goshen and get channel 41 with no trouble at all. I just have the $50 antenna that Direct TV sells.

According to the antenna web site, LaGrange is 25.5 miles from the WDRB transmitter that I believe is in Floyds Knob, IN. Goshen is only 15.8 miles. Also I live down in a slight valley, between Hwy-146 and I-71. I tried the DirecTV antenna as well as different one from the DirecTV installer, with an amplifier, but had no luck. I'll have to say that the DirecTV installer (Bluegrass Satellite) was very good about it. He moved the antenna from atop the dish to a pole mount above my roofline and also made 3 trips out here. I now use a Terk38 HDTV Antenna Pro from circuit City (about $200). I usually get good reception on CBS, ABC, NBC and PBS-15, but have problems with FOX.

I’d appreciate other’s comments.

Winegard 9095P mounted above the roof. Pick up all the stations transmitting from the Knobs. Feeds one 942 and two 811's without an amp. No problems what ever. :)

Located in Highview.

Edit:FOX comes in great!

G.

Based on our testing the Channel Master preforms better that the Terk.. YMMV

WDRB's tower is next to WHAS on Floyds Knob.. I have doubts that their signal is that poor else more people would be having reception issues..

P.S. The C.E. does not control programming.

Based on our testing the Channel Master preforms better that the Terk.. YMMV

WDRB's tower is next to WHAS on Floyds Knob.. I have doubts that their signal is that poor else more people would be having reception issues...

Here at the 76mi mark, WDRB's DT usually edges out WHAS by a nose. Since the power-up, WDRB has been mostly solid except for late AM and early PM hours. WHAS is iffy, OTOH, I might still be getting some overloading from WDKY's analog.

Then again, some days WHAS and WDRB seem to switch places in the strength rankings ... life on the fringe ....

Perhaps WDRB-DT is not always at full power yet. I found this information on the FCC site:
LIST OF CHANNELS ALLOTTED BY THE FCC FOR DIGITAL TELEVISION
INCLUDING ALL CHANNELS (2 THROUGH 69)

Call DTV
Sign State and City Channel Status (As of Dec 19, 2005 )
WDRB KY LOUISVILLE 49 Authorized to construct and program test

All other Louisville stations listed had a status of "on the air"

Gary Schroder (WDRB Engineer) told me WDRB 49-1 went full power on 11/16/05.

... Sounds about right. My only dissapointment is that for some reason WHAS and WDRB DT's are not as consistant or strong as WAVE and WLKY. OTOH, when I originally installed the antenna, I peaked the "hot spot" using WAVE-DT :)

Here is a map from recnet.com which provides the exact locations of the towers. WLKY and WAVE share antenna space:
http://www.louisvillehdtv.com/digital_louisville_stations.aspx

I would appreciate other's comments on the relative strength of their signals from WHAS-DT vs WDRB-DT. Does anyone know if they transmit at the same power?

Sony:
11.1 95
41.1 89

942:
11.1 88
41.1 75

I just looked at the antenna patterns and WHAS is throwing more energy toward the northeast than WDRB.. Both stations are at the same power level..

If you want to see the patterns use the TV query on the FCC's web site.

@10:30am 12/27/05 (~76mi from the Lou towers)

WLKY/WAVE: 68-71 (Typical AM strength)
WDRB: 58-61 (Again fairly typical, this is just barely enough to keep a reliable lock)
WHAS: peaked at 61 but fluctuating wildly from 0-45ish; receiver couldn't hold a lock

Other Lou DT's -- fuggetaboutit

For reference my "home DMA" Lex stations were:
WLEX/WTVQ: 95
WKYT: 88-90
WDKY: 85 peak
WKLE: 71
WKSO: (off the back of my 4228) 71-75

Approx. 40 miles West/Northwest of towers using a ChannelMaster 4228 antenna mounted in the attic, a Winegard preamp, and a Dish 942 receiver

WAVE 3.1 72-74%
WHAS 11.1 70-72%
WLKY 32.1 90-92%
WDRB 41.1 72-74%
58.1 65-67%

Everything comes in pretty strong and consistantly most all the time except for 58.1. I can't keep a strong enough signal to tune it.

On the Insight HD channels, I get frequent Pixelation, Drop outs and Freezes. They last from 1 to 5 seconds. During any given hour, this happens 4-5 times. Is anyone else seeing this?? Is this "normal", or shoud I call Insight??

John, you should call insight, it is most likely due to a weak cable signal. They should send someone out to see if they can improve it.

(other notable signs, very poor analog cable picture, and broadband going off at random times)

Hello all. My wife and I finally gifted ourselves with an HDTV this Christmas and quickly ordered Insight HD. We were disappointed to find out that the WB isn't broadcast in HD in Louisville yet, as three of our four favorite shows are on the WB. I've searched through the thread but I've not been able to find any good recent information about WBKI's HD status.

Is there any information when they might start?

In theory, WBKI-DT is supposed to be at full power by July, which in FCC speak really means by the end of 2006. ... I doubt that they would invest in any HD gear until they go full power and even that is questionable.

PS: This is just speculation based on past performance of WBKI and other broadcasters ;)

Still no luck here in LaGrange getting a strong enough signal over the air on WDRB-DT. On my DirectTvHD-DVR I get a signal strenth of 65-70 for WDRB-TV and 85-90 for WLKY-DT, WAVE-DT and even WHAS-DT whose transmetter is right next to WDRB's.
My question is: will a powered amplifier help? Do I need to put it at the antenna or can I put it at the TV? I only have about 25 feet of cable between the two. Any suggestions as to brand and model? I would really like to be able to lock in WDRB-DT for Sunday's Pather's Giants game.

My 30 Second Skip stopped working.

Got an HDTV and the new DCT6412 box from Insight back in November. I found instructions on the web for programming the remote to send a 30 second skip command. It worked pretty well for a while.

Within the last week or so it has stopped working. I've tried resetting the sysytem by unplugging it for several hours. Also tried reprogramming the remote for that key sequence too.

Also noticed that there is now a "pause" screensaver where the little Insight logo and the time float around the screen. Don't know if this is related. Wonder if there was some software update that added this and broke the 30 second skip.

From LaGrange, Can you pick up the W50CI Low power Analog? It might be causing problems with the WDRB-DT on 49.

That's too bad about WBKI. Thanks for the info though. Guess we'll just have to settle for SD on those shows for the forseeable future. :(

Numb3rs in Dobly D!!! WLKY keep it up !!! :) :) :)

Sounds GREAT!

Answering my own question if above post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6858132&&#post6858132)...

Insight did make a software change that broke the 30 second skip somewhere in mid-December. The next update is supposed to fix it back, but there is no ETA.

I found that information in this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6719740&&#post6719740).

Still no luck here in LaGrange getting a strong enough signal over the air on WDRB-DT. On my DirectTvHD-DVR I get a signal strenth of 65-70 for WDRB-TV and 85-90 for WLKY-DT, WAVE-DT and even WHAS-DT whose transmetter is right next to WDRB's.
My question is: will a powered amplifier help? Do I need to put it at the antenna or can I put it at the TV? I only have about 25 feet of cable between the two. Any suggestions as to brand and model? I would really like to be able to lock in WDRB-DT for Sunday's Pather's Giants game.

Sorry about the post-Sunday response. I went through the same problem last year around this time. I had to put the amp near the antenna for it to work properly. The final result was a channelmaster pre-amp, which I purchased at Lowes. Here's a shortcut to the start of some of the discussions that went on around the use of the amp.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=4926499&&#post4926499

Friar

Anyone in the Bedford, IN area receiving WHAS-DT? I'm about 2 miles west of the Bedford city limits, on a hill, with a 40' tower and a good view to the south and can barely get WHAS DT to register on the meter of the Hughes receiver. Not enough at all for a lock.

For the longest while I assumed they weren't at full power but now realize they are.

WAVE-DT, WLKY-DT, WDRB-DT, WFTE-DT all come in fine without a glitch and all are in the 'good' range on the signal meter of the receiver. WHAS-DT only registers in the "BAD" area on the meter and not enough for a lock. For a test I temporarily switched to a Channelmaster UHF ant on a 20' pole, different amp, different cable and lost any signal at all for WHAS-DT. I still had the other stations.

I'm suspecting their directional antenna is putting this area in a lull and not sure whether any reasonable amount of equip changes would ever get it but I could be wrong. It would help to know if anyone else in this area is able to receive WHAS-DT. The antenna itself is approx 10 years old... the wiring could be along the lines of 15 years old. The amp is newer than the ant. If I was having problems with the other stations then I'd suspect the equip as 'too tired' but since the other channels are coming in I'm not quite confident that new wiring and an antenna would make much difference. But I could be wrong... I'd be happy for someone to tell me I am wrong.

Cable is not an option here (for some reason they've strung it every other direction out of town but this one). I suppose one of these days Directv will have the digital locals... but I am doubting it is before the Superbowl ;)
And right now, I am only lacking ABC of the big 4 OTA.

FWIW, the WHAS analog signal is fine.

I emailed Bill Brown at WHAS and got this reply:
We are at full power. It could be an antenna, downlead cable, or amplifier problem on your end. However, our antenna is sidemounted on the tower toward Louisville. The tower itself might be blocking a signal toward Bedford. I would really check everything on your end to be sure.

Bill Brown, Asst Director of Engineering

EDIT: And now a further comment:
I suspect that the tower is the issue for you.

Bill

-AKH

I tried to improve my reception of WDRB-DT here in LaGrange by installing a signal amplifier. I got the RCA VH1221 from Home Depot. Well signal strength actually went DOWN on WDRB-DT. I had 65-70% w/o amplifier and 25 to 40% with it. I also lost signal strength on UHF 17 (KET 15-1, 15,2 etc.) I am having the same problem as the above poster. WDRB-DT is the weakest of the network stations. WLKY-DT, WHAS-DT and WAVE-DT. are fine. Guess I'll try the ChannelMaster amplifier next.

chuckmccky, it appears that just like the post above relating to reception problems with WHAS-DT in Bedford, IN, due to a signal null area, it appears that you might be in the same situation with WDRB-DT. It appears that you are about 80 degrees to the east from the WDRB-DT tower, which doesn't look good after reviewing the stations' signal pattern. As close as you are you should be able to receive it but it might take a high gain antenna. A signal amplifier might be overloading your receiver with the powerful signals from the other DTVs. Good luck.

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?list=0&facid=28476

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/polarplot?temp=70148&rotate=0.00&p0=0.600&p10=0.480&p20=0.450&p30=0.550&p40=0.640&p50=0.640&p60=0.550&p70=0.400&p80=0.280&p90=0.305&p100=0.420&p110=0.610&p120=0.790&p130=0.880&p140=0.900&p150=0.910&p160=0.920&p170=0.930&p180=0.940&p190=0.950&p200=0.960&p210=0.970&p220=0.975&p230=0.980&p240=0.980&p250=0.985&p260=0.990&p270=0.985&p280=0.980&p290=0.980&p300=0.980&p310=0.980&p320=0.980&p330=0.920&p340=0.830&p350=0.720&p360=0.600&

Steve

Update: I just noticed that WDRB-DT has filed to amend their signal pattern, which according to this filing, if approved by the FCC, should really improve your signal. It looks like the proposed change would send a "full strength" signal your direction.

http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/eng_tv.pl?Application_id=1097756

Steve

Thanks Goldrich for giving me a reason why I have WDRB-DT recption problems here in LaGrange ..and some hope for future improvement.

akh, I'm north of Bedford near Lake Monroe and I get a good lock on WHAS at about 75%, though it's my weakest of the networks since WDRB turned up the power. CM 4228 and CM pre-amp on a 30' mast.

Jerry

Can someone on Insight check KET's feeds? I've had a report of no audio from a viewer who is using a set and cable card..

Thanks
William

William:
No problems using Insight set-top box in eastern Jeff County. All 4 channels video and audio OK.

Thanks

What happened to Wave-DT tonight? I am getting no Signal at all on 3-1. 3-2 and 3-3 are fine!

I also wonder why the local stations don't transmit the correct EPG info. Even if it displays the correct program, it shows an incorrect time. Last night, WHAS was showing Lost at 9 pm in the program guide, but when you check the other info like HD, DD, etc it showed the current time as 10 pm. What is so difficult in transmitting the correct information? Will we have to wait until analog is completely dead until the correct it?

I was able to watch the UK game last night via ota stb, with some pixelation problems.

I guess WBKI is planning on snatching the new CW affiliation away from WFTE. Humm ... I might have to put up that rotor after all. :)

I hope that WFTE does get CW. Presently I can receive both analog & digital WFTE with no problems. I can just barely get WBKI analog & not at all on the digital side.

Anyone in the Bedford, IN area receiving WHAS-DT? I'm about 2 miles west of the Bedford city limits, on a hill, with a 40' tower and a good view to the south and can barely get WHAS DT to register on the meter of the Hughes receiver. Not enough at all for a lock.

For the longest while I assumed they weren't at full power but now realize they are.

WAVE-DT, WLKY-DT, WDRB-DT, WFTE-DT all come in fine without a glitch and all are in the 'good' range on the signal meter of the receiver. WHAS-DT only registers in the "BAD" area on the meter and not enough for a lock. For a test I temporarily switched to a Channelmaster UHF ant on a 20' pole, different amp, different cable and lost any signal at all for WHAS-DT. I still had the other stations.

I'm suspecting their directional antenna is putting this area in a lull and not sure whether any reasonable amount of equip changes would ever get it but I could be wrong. It would help to know if anyone else in this area is able to receive WHAS-DT. The antenna itself is approx 10 years old... the wiring could be along the lines of 15 years old. The amp is newer than the ant. If I was having problems with the other stations then I'd suspect the equip as 'too tired' but since the other channels are coming in I'm not quite confident that new wiring and an antenna would make much difference. But I could be wrong... I'd be happy for someone to tell me I am wrong.

Cable is not an option here (for some reason they've strung it every other direction out of town but this one). I suppose one of these days Directv will have the digital locals... but I am doubting it is before the Superbowl ;)
And right now, I am only lacking ABC of the big 4 OTA.

FWIW, the WHAS analog signal is fine.

I emailed Bill Brown at WHAS and got this reply:

EDIT: And now a further comment:


-AKH

I'm also about 2 miles west of Bedford city limits (Western Hills) and I've never gotten a blip on WHAS. WAVE is solid most of the year and WLKY is always solid. I've not picked up enough signal for WDRB to lock, but do notice some readings sometimes. I'm limited by an antenna in my attic, but it does support your general observations. I assumed WHAS wasn't broadcasting at full-strength as well.

Did anyone notice a difference in the audio signal from WHAS digital during yesterday's superbowl? I normally have my audio receiver set to -27db for comfortable listening. However, during the game I needed to turn it all the way up to -11db to hear the commentators through the center channel. After the game, we changed channels and basically got blown away with the volume on other stations. I've never seen this happen on WHAS before at this level. Was it just my equipment, or did others hear this as well? Of course, the fact that we had 40 people in the room watching the game at the same time probably changed the sound characteristics, but I don't think people absorb sound waves like a sponge, do they?

Friar

Same here... Also the crowd in the back channels was a tad loud.

Same here... I have called in and complained and also sent the GM an email about it.

fyi, WLEX NBC-HD has been dropping out frequently tonight in Lexington as well.

Weather at the NYC uplink is apparently affecting the NBC national feed.

v/r,
C-F

Why does weather always have a problem the uplink... This has been going on for over a year ... Move on to fiber and get rid of the problem.

I do not know if you meant to call me or yourself an "ASS", but you are welcome to your opinion.

If you are an NBC engineer involved with production and broadcast, please inform those whom desire an explanation. In the absence of concrete facts from those actually involved, I am satisfied with the preponderance of anecdotal problems in several markets, central control of feeds from NYC, and (again) anecdotal reports that the weather conditions in NYC were not the best for transmission - leading to a consensus that the uplink was probably the problem. I and any others whom collectively formed this explanation as feasible, could be flat out wrong.

Not that anyone who is not an NBC technician can do much of anything useful knowing where exactly the problem originates beyond your own equipment. Knowing if the problem affects 10 or 10,000 only feeds the 'misery loves company' aspect and does not stop the freezes, improve the picture or sound, or make reporting concerns to the local affiliates any less important. It does provide a way to report problems without jumping on local broadcast station employees (or name calling) during the times they are likely not the source of the problem.

In any event, the purpose was to inform so that NBC HQ (or Olympic remote site) or other more national (or global) problems were not wrongly attributed to local broadcast channels - so concerns could be addressed in an appropriate manner.

An article on past NBC methods and the challenges of satellite delivery. (http://www.telecomweb.com/cgi/pub/via/via09010403.html)
Google Cache if required (http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:sFwCfrXTsLcJ:www.telecomweb.com/cgi/pub/via/via09010403.html)

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C-F

When I worked for an NBC station in the mid 80's the link between 30 Rock and the uplink at Melbourne (sp) New Jersey was a microwave shot due to the problems/costs of getting Fiber through downtown and across the river..

All networks use satellite delivery because its a very good one to many distribution service where as fiber is point to point. Satellite replaced land based microwave (Usually AT&T) distribution of the networks in the mid 80's ( in fact I while I worked there the net switched from microwave to Ku band satellite.) Any satellite or microwave feed is subject to weather related outages but the fiber is subject to backhoe fades, floods, and does deteriorate over time...each has its own problems.. satellite is easy to troubleshoot the problem is at either end or the machine in the middle that no one is going to fix with either a very long ladder or a ride.

Mike0616, again - you are welcome to your opinion. I am sorry that you feel the need to call names, right after suggesting that I re-examine your original post. I offer the same to you, as I explained what was unclear to me and offered a reference to investigate the actual topic further if you wish.

I still cannot tell if you intended your original name calling to apply to me or my statement and are responding strongly because of misplaced indignance and personal embarrassment at my response to your offensiveness. Or you just come on strong and will not deign to simply say you did not intend to offend and were being playful.The repeated name calling and tone of your second response leads me toward believing the former.

In any event your second statement echos a point made in my posted response. There is no point to knowing what caused any glitches beyond your equipment, but some folks feel better if they do, and it could help alleviate contentions such as this one.

Again, I offered the original statement as simple information to be helpful. You could have chosen to accept it, reject it, or debate it without the name calling. As with every piece of information not from a primary source, YMMV.

As for the totally irrelevant attack at the end, I never mentioned that I received any of your stations. I was reading this particular thread because I may be asked to move to that area and wanted to be informed and prepared to make the correct decisions should I move.

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C-F

To the others in the thread, I apologize for this interruption.

v/r,
C-F

KET 15.4 looks better than WAVE's Olympics coverage.

Is everyone still having the problems with NBC/WAVE?

It is driving me nuts. Ijust wanted to make sure that everyone else is still having the same pix/block/droup-out problems that I am having, so I know that it is not an isolated problem. Correct me if I'm worng, but shouldn't there have been some improvement since the weather is clearing up?

WLKY is back to NO DD5.1 again....

I have already done enought complaining to WAVE about this coverage. Right now the picture is frozen and no audio... They switched to the SD feed.

Is everyone still having the problems with NBC/WAVE?

It is driving me nuts. Ijust wanted to make sure that everyone else is still having the same pix/block/droup-out problems that I am having, so I know that it is not an isolated problem.


You're not the only one with the problems. The macroblocking and pix problem has been so bad as to make watching Olympic skiing or snowboarding unwatchable.

Can we just get rid of the 3.3 sub-channel (Weather+)? It is totally useless other than making the corporate big-wigs happy. And, surely they can get a work-around to cut needing 3.2.

Macroblocked HD is worse than watching SD.

I'm picking it up right now...

I could not get WHAS DT sub-channel 11.2(Weather Radar) on my 2005 Media Center PC last night and can't get it today. What's going on? I can get WHAS DT channel 11.1
I can get WAVE DT sub-channel 3.3 (Weather PLUS). What a waste broadcasting the same program on WAVE DT 3.1 and sub-channel 3.2!

Hello all, I'm new to this forum, and I'm glad to see that there is a community of HD OTA users in the area. I just recently bought an old SAMSUNG SIR-TS160 HDTV DIRECTV RECEIVER and a Terk Directional Antenna and hooked them both up. The antenna is pointed at Floyd's Knobs.

I searched antennaweb , and I get all the digital channels they list for the Louisville Area EXCEPT the PBS 15 station. Is this station still there, and has anyone else had this problem? I did a search in this thread for any info, but I didn't find anything (the search function didn't seem to filter the results very well...)

Thanks in advance for any help and rock on HD dudes and dudettes.

PBS 15 is my strongest channel... Try another antenna. Terk is know for reception problems.

The DT signal is on Channel 17

The Terk indoor antennas that retail for $40 are crap. A coat hanger might work better.

If you can receive the other channels, most likely it is your antenna. Another possibility is location. Are you located north or west of the Knobs? I believe the broadcast antennas in the Knobs broadcast towards the southeast. Some people north and west have erratic, unpredictable reception.

See the broadcast antennas locations here (digital):
http://louisvillehdtv.com/digital_louisville_stations.aspx

I could not get WHAS DT sub-channel 11.2(Weather Radar) on my 2005 Media Center PC last night and can't get it today. What's going on? I can get WHAS DT channel 11.1
I can get WAVE DT sub-channel 3.3 (Weather PLUS). What a waste broadcasting the same program on WAVE DT 3.1 and sub-channel 3.2!
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Well, WHAS DT sub-channel 11.2 is working today. :)

So... is it starndard operating procedure for them to use the SD broadcast on an HD channel when the airing is delayed? I've been banging my head waiting for Lost after the UOFL game overtime and the SD version is killing me here...

So... is it starndard operating procedure for them to use the SD broadcast on an HD channel when the airing is delayed? I've been banging my head waiting for Lost after the UOFL game overtime and the SD version is killing me here...


The local stations have no way to record HD. Hell most can not even monitor it.

Wave had the same problem tonight with Law and Order after the UK game. Shown in its entirety, but only in 480i

I would like to pass along information from WBKI-TV Louisville. Also, as new DTV/HDTV information becomes available I will pass it along to you. Thank you.
Gil Ludwig Chief Engineer WBKI-TV Ch. 34/28 DTV19 34.1
gludwig@wbki.tv

WBKI AWARDED CW NETWORK AFFILIATION FOR LOUISVILLE


One of the nation’s newest and best-performing WB affiliates will become the affiliate of the nation’s newest network, the CW, this fall.

WBKI-TV, recipient of the 2005 “Something to Believe In” Award from The WB, (awarded to the station for overall excellence) will become the outlet for the combined programming from the current UPN and WB networks when the CW network launches in September. The new network is a joint venture between CBS, Inc. (parent company of UPN) and Warner Bros. (The WB).

The programming for the new network will include WB and UPN current hit shows, as well as some newly launched programs. At present, shows which are anticipated to make the cut for the new network include The WB’s Gilmore Girls, Smallville, Supernatural and Reba, as well as UPN’s Everybody Hates Chris, America’s Next Top Model, WWE Wrestling and Veronica Mars. A final schedule for the fall programming has not yet been announced.

The new network will program the same hours/days as The WB currently programs; that is, M-F 3-5 pm, M-F 8-10 pm, Saturdays from 7 am to noon and Sundays from 5 pm to 10 pm. Other programs which currently run on WBKI will continue, as these programs are not network programs. These shows include The 70’s Show, King of Queens, My Wife and Kids, and most notably, the new WHAS News at 10 pm on The WB, which launched in January 2006.

Since its launch, the News has captured 27% of the 10 pm news viewers in the market, while WDRB (which airs the only other 10 pm Newscast in Louisville) has seen a decline of 24% in viewership (Nielsen Media Research Louisville overnights 1/2/06 – 2/28/06 vs. 1/3/05 – 3/1/05.)

WBKI also prevailed over several competing applicants for the affiliation, including WFTE, the current UPN affiliate (which is operated as a duopoly with WDRB).

According to Carol LaFever, CEO of Cascade Broadcasting (owner of WBKI), “The WB affiliation has been a material factor in our growth and success since we signed on the air. We believe that the CW affiliation will take us to the next level of performance, while also increasing the value of our station in every way.”

What relevancy does this have with your digital channel and HD? Last time I checked, 19 was dark. Brave of you to talk trash regarding WDRB FOX, when you guys can't even broadcast your digital channel, much less the WB HD feed.

http://www.louisvillehdtv.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=147

Dear Cambus. I am sorry you view this as negative information. I hope the forum would appreciate direct contact from the broadcasting stations to keep you up to date with new developments. HD progress Nationwide is still growing , sorry the criteria or time frame does not meet your approval. This should be viewed as a positive considering future HD opportunities when the new network programming is established. I am watching 34.1 at the present time. Please feel free to call me at the TV station and I would be glad to discuss your reception issue. 809-3400 x202.

Hi Gil,

Are you going to make the high power deadline in July? I see your still on the STA..

PS you might want to check your FCC records the STA is listed as having your AGL as 0 Meters for a HAAT of 319.6m..

Hi Bill. Good to hear from you. As you know when you are dealing with multiple suppliers you measure success a little at a time. Yes, if all goes well will make it.

I hope the forum would appreciate direct contact from the broadcasting stations to keep you up to date with new developments.

Indeed we do! ... And welcome to the asylum!

Just be aware (as William will no doubt confirm) the natives can be restless at times. Cambus is actually a pretty good sort of fellow, I'm sure that he is just venting a few years worth of frustration that we "early adopters" have built up since this whole digital/HD transition started. :) It's rare that we get direct contact from people that can actually fix things or influence policy. Personally, I've been looking for an excuse to finally install my rotor (or put up yet another UHF antenna,) and first run "Smallville" or "Veronica Mars" episodes in HiDef sound like just the ticket.

Could you post the coordinates of your DT antenna. I'd like to point your way and see if I can receive a signal.

Thanks

Uh oh... that announcement makes me worry that Everwood isn't gonna be back next season. :( Hope it is!

Thanks for the comments, if you need a hand putting up the rotor give me a call.

Beetle the tower is at:
37 31 51.0 North Latitude
85 26 45.0 West Longitude
Location is 2 miles south of Raywick, KY

Gil:

Thanks for your response. All of us are happy to have local experts on the boards such as yourself. Looks like you've already added good value responding to other members.

Let me clarify my above post. Reading your press release, I gather WBKI has jumped in bed with a competitor siphoning the life out of WDRB's flagship product, The News at 10. And most recently, WDRB lost their UPN programming to WBKI.

WDRB has been a good supporter of HD going on 2 years and previously made the necessary investments as mandated by the FCC.

Posting a press release in this HD forum regarding the excellence of WBKI and failure of WDRB garners little applause.

Best of luck
Steve

Cambus,
Last I checked WFTE (UPN) was neither passing HD nor were they anywhere near their full authorized ERP of 1000kW ... If you are going to compare, be fair and compare oranges to oranges, not oranges to apples. :) WDRB would probably not be doing HD, if the mothership FOX had not paid for and installed their splicer equipment. WB and UPN stations were left to fend for themselves, hence the lack of UPN-HD from WFTE.

{edited for stray adverbial forms}

HDTVChallenged: Good point on UPN, though their HD offerings have been weak. It was my understanding WDRB paid a substantial amount to ready their facilities for HD. Fox absorbed the majority of the roll-out costs of its affiliates?

HDTVChallenged: Good point on UPN, though their HD offerings have been weak. It was my understanding WDRB paid a substantial amount to ready their facilities for HD.

No more so than any other station in the area.

Fox absorbed the majority of the roll-out costs of its affiliates?

As far as the network HD passthrough is concerned, yes.

Anyone know if WLKY will broadcast the tournament like they did last year on three channels for the first and second rounds?? Thanks for all that contribute to the boards.

Just wanted to drop in and say......
"Congrats gil"

Woo

For those in the Louisville area that are now able to acquire the WBKI analog signal............would it be safe to "assume" that we would also be able to receive the digital signal without any change to antenna setup/direction? What is the WBKI digital channel #?

For those in the Louisville area that are now able to acquire the WBKI analog signal............would it be safe to "assume" that we would also be able to receive the digital signal without any change to antenna setup/direction? What is the WBKI digital channel #?

RF channel 19 ... and it depends on whether your getting WBKI analog on Ch28 or Ch34. Per the FCC application info, the digital xmitter will be co-located with the current "main" analog transmitter (ch34).

Anyone know if WLKY will broadcast the tournament like they did last year on three channels for the first and second rounds?? Thanks for all that contribute to the boards.


Anyone have any info?? Thanks again.

Jslim: see bottom of this thread:
http://www.louisvillehdtv.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=154

Jslim: see bottom of this thread:
http://www.louisvillehdtv.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=154


Thanks!! This is great info. Thanks again. GO CATS!!

Idol.... Back channels and SubW dead. Anyone else?

Well I see WLKY has 32.2 back up for NCAA (presumably.) Hopefully it'll go away again after the tourney. The audio levels between the network and local feeds on 32.1 are horribly mismatched now ...

Well I see WLKY has 32.2 back up for NCAA (presumably.) Hopefully it'll go away again after the tourney. The audio levels between the network and local feeds on 32.1 are horribly mismatched now ...
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I noticed the same thing. The audio levels are screwed up. I'm not sure if we will see 3 different games at the same time (one for analog 32 and a different game for the two WLKY digital channels).

Good grief! ... now WLKY is zooming SD upconverts on 32.1 ... :rolleyes:

Yes it looks like WLKY will be carrying 3 different games at one time ... see wlky.com for the schedule. The second insight channel corresponds to digital channel 32.2 ...

I can watch 3 games at one time by watching one game on analog TV and one on HDTV over the air on my Media Center PC and another game live over the Internet on the CBS free Live feed on my laptop. I'm in basketball heaven!

I have a Moto 6412 from Insight. Up until recently, I could record the local HD channels (760,762,763) via firewire to my PC. Today when I tried, no joy. I can still record channels 761, 764,765,766, and 767. It looks like Insight is applying 5C copy protection to the local HD channels. I thought this was not allowed.

Anyone else seeing the same thing. Any solutions??

I have a Moto 6412 from Insight. Up until recently, I could record the local HD channels (760,762,763) via firewire to my PC. Today when I tried, no joy. I can still record channels 761, 764,765,766, and 767. It looks like Insight is applying 5C copy protection to the local HD channels. I thought this was not allowed.

Anyone else seeing the same thing. Any solutions??

I'm also in Louisville and have the DCT6412. I have the firewire installed correctly and can record from any channels below about 125, but I cannot get any channel above this to work. Did you have to do something specific for these channels to work? I have tried all of the hd channels and none of them give me any stream info when I try to stream it. There are so many forums on this that I've been searching for quite a few hours now. I just saw that you are also on Insight in Louisville, and was hoping you might be able to give me some assistance.

Every channel jumped on the weather tonight. Even though it was north of us.

Why can't they keep the .01 channels clear of the weather and let us watch our HD programs...

Now we have HD weather coverage, like we have HD glass cleaner.... When does it end... Not even presented in HD...

Hi All, I was wondering if anyone has an antenna mounted in their attic, and how the HD reception is. I'm moving and would like to mount the antenna in my attic if possible. I'll be 15 to 20 miles from the towers in Floyds Knobs. My antenna is outside now @ 15 miles and works great. Which antenna would you recommend for attic mount?

Thanks

I live in Fern Creek, about 20 miles from Floyds Knobs (according to AntennaWeb). My antenna (bought from BB, can't remember the brand) is in the attic of our 1.5 story house and I receive PBS, ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, and UPN digital channels fine.

JThree: Thanks, Is an amplified or passive antenna, UHF only or UHF/VHF or one of the ones that look like a wing? Sorry for so many questions, just trying to narrow it down a little before I go check them out.

It's not amplified, is UHF/VHF, and is one of the big ones that can also be installed on a roof. Looks very similar to this one: http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103084&cp=&origkw=antenna&kw=antenna&parentPage=search

Anyone seeing three rows of white dots on WAVE 3's HD broadcasts? Almost like a film is over the camera with white dots in a repeating pattern (three rows' worth)

Quite annoying.


BTW, this is OTA and it doesn't show up on their sub-channel.

Yes, I'm seeing the same thing. I thought something was on my screen until I changed the channel.

I am sure glad some besides me is seeing those dots! I thought I was seeing things: 3 rows with 6 dots in each row. I saw them on prorams I had recodred on my DVR. They are not visable if I pause or even play at slow speed.

Who is going to transmit Thunder this year in HD?

G.

This maybe old news, but I emailed Insight to ask when there will be new channels added and they replied back with June. The email did not specify which channels.

Hi All, I was wondering if anyone has an antenna mounted in their attic, and how the HD reception is. I'm moving and would like to mount the antenna in my attic if possible. I'll be 15 to 20 miles from the towers in Floyds Knobs. My antenna is outside now @ 15 miles and works great. Which antenna would you recommend for attic mount?

Thanks

Hey CPTuell,

I have a Channel Master 4228 in my attic. I live something like 35 miles from the Floyds Knobs towers. I have a Winegard preamp in my setup, also. I have a good signal on WHAS, WAVE, WLKY, and WDRB. I cannot pickup the others, however.

If you are getting WDRB, you should be able to get WFTE.

Insight Cable is now airing the following channels:
TNT HD, MTV HD, Cinemax HD and Starz HD

http://www.louisvillehdtv.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=158

Who is going to transmit Thunder this year in HD?

Good question. According to my TiVo's guide data, WLKY appears to be the (truely) "exclusive" station this year ... It would appear that it's up to WLKY to carry or drop the HD ball.

Emailed WLKY and they said it will be in HD. :)

Emailed WLKY and they said it will be in HD. :)

What? No comments on WLKY's "stellar" HD coverage? I guess everyone was down at the riverfront yesterday. :D

The Good: HD cameras (when actually used)

The Bad:

1) Somebody needs to fix the DD encoder at the station ... It continues to randomly cycle between DD5.1 and DD2.0 on SD (local upconversion) material. Note: this is not just a ThOL phenomenon.

2) Too many cutways in the middle of air show segments (WAVE was guilty of this too)


The *Really Bad*: The zoomed SD cameras/feed had severe interlacing artifacts which disappeared in the brief moments when the regular 4:3 pillarboxed SD feed sneaked in. I understand the thinking behind the zoomed SD, but it looked really bad. Next time, how about just leaving well enough (pillarboxing) alone. :)

I agree... I only watched the Blue Angels segment, but I thought it was a terrible production. Even if they had not been dealing with HD, the shot selections were way of and the cameras often lost the planes and were just showing sky. At least they could have followed the narrator comments... geeze.

Just played it back - the SD cameras on the fireworks really looked bad. Like watching the Olympics over again.

Hopefully WAVE will have the Pegasus Parade in HD today.

The only HD you will probably see this weekend is when they switch off to network coverage for the Derby.

Why did WAVE TV not have the audio on for the start of the Pegasus Parade? It came on when the University of Louisville Band was playing. Is someone at WAVE going to get fired for the audio screw up?

I am getting lower than normal reception from 3 and 41, and 11 and 32 aren't coming in at all. Normally, I receive all four fairly wel. Anyone else having issues or is my set-top box possibly to blame?

I am getting lower than normal reception from 3 and 41, and 11 and 32 aren't coming in at all. Normally, I receive all four fairly wel. Anyone else having issues or is my set-top box possibly to blame?
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I just saw your message, so I checked the above mentioned channels on my Media Center PC using my over the air digital tuner. All the above mentioned channels are coming in normal for me right now. Approx. 11:15 PM EDT May 10, 2006

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I just saw your message, so I checked the above mentioned channels on my Media Center PC using my over the air digital tuner. All the above mentioned channels are coming in normal for me right now. Approx. 11:15 PM EDT May 10, 2006

Thanks. I think my Dish 942 is having some issues. Just wanted to confirm.

Did anyone else have problems with WDRB breaking up during AI?

Did anyone else have problems with WDRB breaking up during AI?

YES! You are not alone w/ seeing the break-up.

I'm using SilverSensor OTA into HR10-250.

Can anyone confirm that WFTE-DT is up to full power? The signal strength here at the 76mi marker seems to be on par with WDRB and WHAS for the past couple of days. Of course, there has also been significant atmospheric enhancement as well.

WBKI ... I'm monitoring :)

Can anyone confirm that WFTE-DT is up to full power? The signal strength here at the 76mi marker seems to be on par with WDRB and WHAS for the past couple of days. Of course, there has also been significant atmospheric enhancement as well.

WBKI ... I'm monitoring :)

I don't know about WFTE, but keep me up-to-date about WBKI, as I might be able to get it here in TN.

NashDigie signing off.

I don't know about WFTE, but keep me up-to-date about WBKI, as I might be able to get it here in TN.

To answer my own question re: WFTE-DT, it does appear that they're up to full strength. With the tropo enhancement gone today, WFTE-DT is hanging on right at the edge of (or just below) the noise limit along with WDRB and WHAS.

No changes noted yet for WBKI, although they have fixed the "postage stamp" issue from a couple of weeks ago.

No changes noted yet for WBKI, although they have fixed the "postage stamp" issue from a couple of weeks ago.
What do you mean about "postage stamp" issue? I don't understand that.

NashDigie signing off.

What do you mean about "postage stamp" issue? I don't understand that..

Something got reset and the picture was windowboxed (shrunken with black-bars on all sides) inside the 4:3, 480i frame. It's back to a "normal" 4:3, 480i setting now. T minus three weeks ...

I e-mailed WBKI yesterday about going to full power on WBKI-DT and I got this response.

WBKI-DT will be at full FCC max of 1,000,000 watts by July 1.

Mac Powas
D.O.E. C.B.G.


So, I hope I can get it by then.

NashDigie signing off.

Yes but all the power in the world means nothing (to me) without network HD passthrough. It's not worth the hassle of rotors a/o a "single" channel antenna intallation given that I will already have up to two alternate 480i CW affiliates.

I e-mailed WBKI yesterday about going to full power on WBKI-DT and I got this response.

WBKI-DT will be at full FCC max of 1,000,000 watts by July 1.

Mac Powas
D.O.E. C.B.G.


So, I hope I can get it by then.

NashDigie signing off.

I am excited to see if I will be able to pick up this station once it goes full power. WB is the only network I don't have in HD. And since this station (IIRC) will be the new CW affiliate, I'll be glad to have it.

Yes but all the power in the world means nothing (to me) without network HD passthrough. It's not worth the hassle of rotors a/o a "single" channel antenna intallation given that I will already have up to two alternate 480i CW affiliates.

I am located West and a little North of Louisville in Paoli, IN. Per antennaweb it looks like my compass orientation is about the same for WBKI as the other stations assuming their digital broadcast is in the same location as the analog. Is that not the case for you? Where is WBKI's tower in relationship to the others? And what did you mean about network HD passthrough? Does WBKI-DT do something to the network signal before retransmit?



I did notice when WFTE-DT went full power as I can receive it reliably now. I readjusted my antenna a few weeks ago and bumped up 3.1, 32.1, and 41.1 by several percentage points in strength, but WLKY-DT 11.1 has gone down on me at the same time and glitches from time to time. That is very frustrating since this station has the same compass orientation and is the same distance as the others. Could it be the higher frequency assignment? Also, my favorite show is on ABC (Lost). Thank goodness it is summer. :D The strangest thing is I think I remember the signal getting better for a day or two after the adjustment before it got worse.

Does anyone know of any reason that would have caused WLKY-DT to drop in signal strength about 2-3 weeks ago?

Sorry for the long-winded post.

I am located West and a little North of Louisville in Paoli, IN. Per antennaweb it looks like my compass orientation is about the same for WBKI ...

From my "undisclosed location," WBKI is ~55 degrees off axis from the rest of the Louisville cluster, much too far away for my CM4228 to get from one position. By HD passthrough, I mean the ability to pass HD programming from the network. Currently they are limited to 480i ... The nearly official word is that they will have HD with the power-up, but until I see it live with my own eyes ....

I think you mean WHAS for 11.1 ;) ... There is a possibility that you may be getting some interference from a distant station on the same or adjacent channel. For me, WHAS, WDRB and WFTE are reaching at about the same strength ... WAVE and WLKY are a somewhat stronger.

From my "undisclosed location," WBKI is ~55 degrees off axis from the rest of the Louisville cluster, much too far away for my CM4228 to get from one position. By HD passthrough, I mean the ability to pass HD programming from the network. Currently they are limited to 480i ... The nearly official word is that they will have HD with the power-up, but until I see it live with my own eyes ....

I think you mean WHAS for 11.1 ;) ... There is a possibility that you may be getting some interference from a distant station on the same or adjacent channel. For me, WHAS, WDRB and WFTE are reaching at about the same strength ... WAVE and WLKY are a somewhat stronger.

Yes, I meant WHAS. It is strange how everyone's results vary slightly. I too have the 4228 and WDRB is my strongest station followed by WLKY, WAVE, WFTE, and WHAS.

I'll be "moving" inside the Indiapolis DMA before football/fall programming seasons start, and E* is supposed to have HD locals for Indy by then. So I look forward to comparing how our Louisville OTA HD compares to Sat. I really do hope WBKI does what they are supposed to do. I only watch a couple shows on the WB, but I'm so used to HD with everything else that I have become spoiled. :rolleyes:

A friend of called me this morning and he's running an Insight basic cable feed into a set with a QAM tuner and has lost a lot of the channels (ABC, CBS, NBC and others). Anyone else seeing a problem with the Insight cable feed w/o using an Insight digital box?

Didn't lose those but I did lose TNT-HD and whatever movie channel they had added from my QAM box

Anybody heard anything about new channels being added to insights HD lineup (beyond carrying recently Digital enabled locals)? Seems they haven't changed the HD plus pak in over a year...
-Alex-

Anybody heard anything about new channels being added to insights HD lineup (beyond carrying recently Digital enabled locals)? Seems they haven't changed the HD plus pak in over a year...
-Alex-

I emailed them about two months ago. Told them they were still not a viable alternative for a current Directv subscriber because they did not have as much HD content as Directv (especially ESPN2-HD and TNT-HD) yet were over $30 a month more expensive for comparable hardware and programming.

The reply from Karen Stokes was that they would forward to their marketing department. Never heard anything else.

I have heard on the Insight forum on broadbandreports.com that Insight is planning to rollout new HD channels under a Insight Digital 2.0 campaign but that has been delayed while they have focused on the internet backbone debacle.

Thanks for the info Robjulo...

I emailed Insight yesterday and here is the response from Karen Stokes I got today:

Thank you for your programming inquiry. We anticipate launching MTV HD, TNT HD, Cinemax HD and Starz HD within the next few months. Rest assured, we will be sure to keep our customers posted as further details develop.

Great news, but not exactly a definitive time frame. Hmm...no mention of ESPN2, INHD. Also why in the heck isn't the SciFi channel in HD? HD begs for a minimum programming content of Football/Basketball, bugs and killer robots! ESPN and Discovery are taking care of the first two....
-Alex-

Humm ... perhaps some developments ... WBKI analog (ch34) has been off the air this morning. Digital seems seems to still be at LP so far ...

Humm ... perhaps some developments ... WBKI analog (ch34) has been off the air this morning. Digital seems seems to still be at LP so far ...

Please keep me updated on this.

NashDigie signing off.

Hi there this is my first post the this forum. Does anyone know why WAVE 3 DT and WLKY DT were off the air for a short while early this morning? I recieve them OTA on my Dish 811 reciever. There were back normal when I got home from work today.

Hi there this is my first post the this forum. Does anyone know why WAVE 3 DT and WLKY DT were off the air for a short while early this morning?

WAVE was running a crawl during Leno last week saying that they would be off the air during the wee hours to 9am for maintainence. I assume they are doing something on the tower that requires both stations to power down. I thought this was a one time thing, but it seems to have stretched over a week and a half now.

Same crawl this morning (6/24) Digital stations down from 12:37am until 9:00am

Same crawl this morning (6/27) Digital stations down from 12:37am until 9:00am

"If you can chase excellence instead of money, the money will follow once excellence is found. But if you reverse that and chase money, you will more than likely never find excellence."
- Bill Lamb, President and General Manager of WDRB-TV in Louisville...to ShopTalk

source: http://www.tvspy.com/shoptalk.cfm?page=1

Let's hope Mr. Lamb has this attitude regarding HD as well.

Getting some sound dropouts on Capa on 15.4 tonight. Hope we don't get them on tomorrows Sound Stage :) :) :)

... WBKI-DT appears to be off the air this afternoon. Perhaps it will come back with vastly improved power output, perhaps not ... the clock's ticking :)

... and they're back, with no changes that I can see.