anyone having problem with KET?

15-1
15-2
15-3
15-4

I was getting it fine till day before and yesterday they stopped showing up.
I have a classic insight cable with a Vizio VX32L

thanks,
Vishal

I could not get any channel 15 stations last night. I live in LaGrange, KY

WKPC-DT was off the air..

Edit:KET's back :)

it would be, Insight takes the digital feed from off air..

Wondering if you guys can help me out with Antenna selection in the Louisville (J-Town) area.

I purchased an RCA ANT1250 Indoor Antenna and while I can get all of the channels (really just want ABC/NBC/CBS and Fox, PBS would be nice though) the signal reliability is very inconsistent. If I work hard enough with this antenna I can get it so it cuts out very little... if at all, but it only works for the channel I'm adjusting for. Needless to say having to adjust it for every channel is a pain in the ass.

I'm wondering if there is a better indoor antenna out there that won't exhibit these issues. From using antennaweb and HDTV Magazine map deals, I'm about 19miles from the towers and they all fall within an 8° azimuth (all the channels I want are UHF as well). I'm almost certain since the towers are in Floyd's Knobs that the towers are above my elevation and any land inbetween, but I'm not 100% sure.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Anyone have any idea when we we will see our locals in HD from DirecTV without having an OTA Antenna? I heard they were pretty close, but one station was holding them up from going live. Any insight on this would be appreciated. Thanks.

I would highly doubt one station would hold them up. They would just start and add that station when available. That being said they have given no indication when Louisville will be added.

The Zenith Silver Sensor antenna (model ZHDTV1Z) has gotten rave reviews for a set-top indoor antenna, so you may want to give that a try.

Take a look at this page for more info (not sales hype) on it. HDTV Primer Info On Silver Sensor Antenna (http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/silver.html)

I have NOT used this antenna personally as I live closer, but have other reception issues to deal with, however, in the OTA forums this antenna has been kind of a de facto standard for set-top antennas.

Good Luck!

I can't find this thing in stock anywhere, local or online :eek:

Thanks for the suggestion though, I guess I'll keep an eye out for it to be in stock. Hopefully it hasn't been discontinued. I've seen a Terk antenna (can't recall the model) that looks similar though, I wonder if it's just a re badge? It seems to be more expensive though.

I can't find this thing in stock anywhere, local or online :eek:

Thanks for the suggestion though, I guess I'll keep an eye out for it to be in stock. Hopefully it hasn't been discontinued. I've seen a Terk antenna (can't recall the model) that looks similar though, I wonder if it's just a re badge? It seems to be more expensive though.

Terk is junk. Here is a link to silver sensor:



http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?main_cat=03&CAT=&PROD=ZHDTV1

Terk is junk. Here is a link to silver sensor:



http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?main_cat=03&CAT=&PROD=ZHDTV1

Thanks for the link. I had stumbled across their site while searching for this antenna, unfortunately they are out of stock as well.

I think this is one of the first items I've ever tried to buy that isn't in stock anywhere :p. There are a few online stores that list it as in-stock, but after checking their resellerratings reviews, none of them seem worth the hassle (if their inventory is even accurate).

has no one heard anything on Directv locals?

has no one heard anything on Directv locals?

AFAIK, Louisville was not planned for the initial Spaceway 1 and 2 rollouts ... don't expect anything from D* until the next 2 satellites (D10 and D11) are launched.

Has anyone upgraded their box lately...I have a DCT 6412 thats been acting up lately and thinking about calling Insight for a new box. Does anyone know if they have the 6416 available?

I recently had my OTA antenna raised up about 10 feet to the peak of my roof as I was having problems getting WDRB-DT (Fox41). Now I get WDRB-DT fine, but I have off and on problems with WLKY-DT (CBS 32)and to some extent WAVE-DT (NBC 3). Last night (2/7) WLKY-DT was not watchable at all due to no signal or poor signal (pixelation). On Tuesday night (2/6) it was fine. Also it seems to be good most nights after 11.30pm. any one else have similar problems or any suggestions on what I might do? I live in LaGrange, KY.

I sent an email to insight to see what DVR box they have....looking to upgrade my old DCT6412 since it's been acting up


response:

Thank you for your sales inquiry . We have the DCT6416 Motorola dvr
available . This provides 80 hours of space to record instead of 60 hours.

I thought this below would help everyone to show where the broadcasting towers are. All you need to do is click the station and it shows the location of the tower.

http://www.w9wi.com/tvdb/states/ky.htm

NashDigie signing off.

I'm getting an HD DVR box in a week, so for now have a direct coax feed from Insight hooked up to the coax input on my Vizio VX37L, and the QAM tuner gets the following HD channels unencrypted
3-1 NBC HD
3-2 Weather Plus actually in SD
11-1 ABC HD
32-1 CBS HD
41-1 FOX HD
74-2 CW HD

There's also several SD channels, including everytime you re-scan you get some on-demand channels in the 81-1 / 81-9 range.

I forgot 15-1,2,3,4 The 4 KET's

What channels are avialable through antenna but not thru Insight?

If you bypass your box and just use coax you get the 70+ analog channels, the Hd's listed in my above post along with the KET's and in the 110-105 range you get a lot of digital music channels.

I think if you get a cablecard you get everything you pay for, all analog, movie, digital, and hd channels that you can. I only know of one guy with cablecard in Louisville, he said it often acts up and you have to reset it, but otherwise works good and saves you the 13.95 for the DVR box, you still have to pay for programming. And of course it has to be installed by Insight.

I wanted to get a cablecard and was set on a 50" Hitachi after internet research, but after checking out in the store and realizing the distance to the set, I'd be just 6 feet from the 50" projection, so I opted for a LCD flat panel where I'm 7 feet away maybe 7.5. I couldn't find a LCD with cablecard that I could afford.
I want the DVR anyway.

I'm getting an HD DVR box in a week, so for now have a direct coax feed from Insight hooked up to the coax input on my Vizio VX37L, and the QAM tuner gets the following HD channels unencrypted
3-1 NBC HD
3-2 Weather Plus actually in SD
11-1 ABC HD
32-1 CBS HD
41-1 FOX HD
74-2 CW HD

There's also several SD channels, including everytime you re-scan you get some on-demand channels in the 81-1 / 81-9 range.

I made a spreadsheet of all the clear QAM channels I get with my Vizio and with my HDHomeRun. note: the HDHomeRun tunes a couple of channels that the TV cannot.

I purchased a Samsung LCD HDTV about a year ago. I have been using a cable card from day 1 with no issues. The biggest downside to the cable card is that it does not allow interaction with the TV as would a set-top tuner. It will not access programming information like the tuner boxes do. This has not been a big problem for me at all, plus it saves the extra monthly fee of having a DVR tuner.

Hey everyone!
Just for anyone who is interested and who can pick up WLEX-DT in Lexington, their news is going HD:

http://www.wlextv.com/global/story.asp?s=6109136

I just received a notice from DirecTV that there will be a new rate increase on March 1st. I am considering switching to Insight since the price change allows me to void my 1 year+ remaining on my DirecTV contract.

The big draw for me is the ability to record HD; however, I have a couple of issues that make me hesitant:

1. I have a DirecTiVo wired into my home's structured wiring package (with IR blasters). This allows my wife and kids to watch recorded shows throughout the house with just one box. Is there a way to pull that off with Insight (cheaply)?

2. I love the TiVo software on my DirecTV R10s. Is the DVR guide terrible or just not as good? I can tolerate "not as good", I think. Also, is the Insight DVR hardware reliable? I love my H20 HD box and my 2 R10 DirecTiVos. I hate to give them up.

On the plus side, I do have 2 Windows Media Center boxes (one with an HD tuner) that could be used to supplement my Insight package using just a straight coax connection. I guess I could use a WCE box to take the place of my DirecTiVo.

Anyone have any advice on whether the switch is worth it? Any suggestions or feedback would be appreciated. I need to make my decision this week.

I just received a notice from DirecTV that there will be a new rate increase on March 1st. I am considering switching to Insight since the price change allows me to void my 1 year+ remaining on my DirecTV contract.

The big draw for me is the ability to record HD; however, I have a couple of issues that make me hesitant:

1. I have a DirecTiVo wired into my home's structured wiring package (with IR blasters). This allows my wife and kids to watch recorded shows throughout the house with just one box. Is there a way to pull that off with Insight (cheaply)?

2. I love the TiVo software on my DirecTV R10s. Is the DVR guide terrible or just not as good? I can tolerate "not as good", I think. Also, is the Insight DVR hardware reliable? I love my H20 HD box and my 2 R10 DirecTiVos. I hate to give them up.

On the plus side, I do have 2 Windows Media Center boxes (one with an HD tuner) that could be used to supplement my Insight package using just a straight coax connection. I guess I could use a WCE box to take the place of my DirecTiVo.

Anyone have any advice on whether the switch is worth it? Any suggestions or feedback would be appreciated. I need to make my decision this week.

1)You should be able to use your existing infrastructure (distribution, IR blasters) with the insight box just like you did with the DirecTV box.

2) If you like your Tivo, you will HATE the insight DVR. The insight box is more like a fancy VCR than the PVR that you are used to. The recordings are time based not program based. For example, if you program a favorite, I think it only records the timeslot each week, not the program. It REALLY SUCKS.

I recently switched from Insight to Dish. I don't use a a Dish PVR though, I use SAGE for my PVR, media distribution etc.

I get my DVR tomorrow from Insight, have had the triple play for years and have 2 dvr boxes alreaqdy in the house although neither are on HDTV's (my bedroom unit is first in house). My brother said the DVR does record correctly if your show starts early or shows at a different time - like Friday Night Lights on NBC, always getting bumped for UK b-ball it records it everytime.

I have the same problem about every time a program is shown it is recorded on my MCE 2004 VAIO. I had it set for SImpsons anytime it's on with new episode and while the showings on Sunday night FOX only recorded if new, the daily rerun showings on CW at 7 were recording everyday until I set it for FOX only.

One of my friends ditched Insight because half the time when he recorded something in HD the audio would be missing.

One of my friends ditched Insight because half the time when he recorded something in HD the audio would be missing.

It wasn't missing. There was a bug that would cause the audio not to play. Unplugging and replugging the box restored the audio on the recordings. I have not seen the issue on the new 6416s yet, only on the 6412s.

Does anyone know if the new motorola DVRs can be hooked up via the firewire connection. I know the menu's were an issue with the old boxes. I thought I would ask before I tried it myself. Thanks

Does anyone know if the new motorola DVRs can be hooked up via the firewire connection. I know the menu's were an issue with the old boxes. I thought I would ask before I tried it myself. Thanks

The overlays (menu etc.) still don't display. Also, recording to pc is VERY limited. I can't even record most of the local station programming. 5C is not set on them but CCI and something else is. Can't remember what it is at the moment tho.

Its still there on the 6416.

Also, unplugging and replugging the box is a PITA. You lose your program guide, at times it changes the target channels for recording, use of the DVR while it completes reboot and test procedures, etc. Its a pretty ugly solution, at best. (Its essentially the same thing they do you call in for a "reset"; however, but without all the wait, so is much better than that!)

A solution that often works and isn't nearly as ugly is to press the "swap" button, wait for unit to react, press "swap" again, and then rewind a bit for what was missed while screwing with unit. After dealing with this "feature" quite a few times, messed with system until found a work-around for this problem that seems to work for me. As usual, YMMV.

Thanks for that tip. I hope I won't ever have to use it, but I'm definitely going to file it away.

I agree that the having to unplug/plug sucks, especially with the having to redownload the guide. It was just better than not getting to watch the recording at all. (Not by much though.)

I just received a notice from DirecTV that there will be a new rate increase on March 1st. ...

I love the TiVo software on my DirecTV R10s. Is the DVR guide terrible or just not as good? I can tolerate "not as good", I think. Also, is the Insight DVR hardware reliable? I love my H20 HD box and my 2 R10 DirecTiVos. I hate to give them up.
....
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I also had the R10. My family loved it. Unfortunately, the hard drive crashed. DirecTV replaced it with an R15, which is their own version of a DVR, not the Tivo one. They no longer will support or provide any Tivo DVRs due to cost (per the phone rep). If you stay with DirecTV for the R10 features, keep in mind that you won't be able to get DirecTV to give you another one when the R10 dies.

Friar

Help! I live in Floyds Knobs about 2 to 3 miles from the towers. My problem is I'm loosing my high def signal and have pixulation. I live in a heavily wooded area. I've used a large roof mounted antenna, RCA rabbit ears and a 45db adjustable gain rabbit ears. I've also use a 40db annuator to reduce the signal. I've used the tuner in my Sony TV and the tuner on Dish 622 with the same results. I've been told if I get above my 100 foot trees I'd be OK. I'm also thinking about running 300 foot of cable to a clearing and then use a bow tie antenna. Does anybody have any suggestions?

Heck. Being that close I would try just sticking a paperclip in the antenna input of your receiver and see what kind of signal you get. :)

Hi everybody,
I live in Louisville and am trying to learn as much as I can about HDTV tuners to figure out what I need, so help would be appreciated.

First, does anybody have a ATSC, QAM set top box in Louisville that they are looking to sell?
I'd like to find an economical HD tuner w/ ATSC & QAM and would like to get it locally.

I think what I need is a HD set top box with both QAM & ATSC, so I can use it to pull in OTA signals w/ an external antenna plus tune into any unscrambled channels from the regular insight cable that I currently get. I have a NTSC only HD ready TV, and I get regular/standard cable from Insight. By getting a set top box with ATSC & QAM, would I be able to get more from my current insight cable (like those listed in vladd's spread sheet of channels)? If I'm wrong about this, please let me know. I don't know what specifics to look for really in a set top box, so if there is further info I need or am off base about what I said above, would you share your knowledge?

Again, if anybody has a ATSC & QAM tuner box to sell locally, I'm interested.
Thanks,
Brad
Louisville, KY

... while surfing the air, I noticed that WMYO-DT appears to be running at either 720p or 1080i this evening (3/7). I didn't check during "primetime," so I don't know what this means for the MyNetTV stuff.

Just checked a few minutes ago and they are not coming in OTA. Maybe they are working on their setup?

Could be ... I checked at ~10:30 this morning and they were back to 4:3 480i ... OTOH, I suppose it's possible that they were just "experimenting" with the aspect controls last night.

Yep ... "The Rundown" (3/8) looked very much like HD tonight, but the sound wasn't quite right. I don't know if it was supposed to be 5.1 but my receiver said it was only 2.0. In any case, the dialog was very weak compared to the rest of the mix.

I just noticed tonight that WLKY-DT has a sub-channel now. 32-2 And it says March Madness. But it was airing CBS programming in SD.

I just noticed tonight that WLKY-DT has a sub-channel now. 32-2 And it says March Madness. But it was airing CBS programming in SD.

Ah ... I was wondering when they were going to fire up the .2 again. They've done this during NCAA for the past couple of years.

Does anybody else think that KET-4 PBS HD looks a little less than up to par with the other HD signals? Maybe it's the couple shows I've caught, but those I have just haven't looked as crisp and real as the other HD channels. Are some shows better than others on KET 4? I've seen some DiscoveryHD shows at a friends house, do the nature shows on PBS HD ever look that good or not yet? I'm getting the signal via QAM tuner connected to insight cable. I'll try an OTA antenna this weekend.

Does anybody else think that KET-4 PBS HD looks a little less than up to par with the other HD signals? .

There are several reasons for this:

1) The feed from PBS is not always up to par.
2) KET converts (and compresses) the HD feed from 1080i to 720p in order to have room for:
3) KET1 and KET2 which actually have the "priority" programming as far KET is concerned.

Still, it's better than 480i/p (or nothing) which are the alternatives.

Oooohh ... lucky post number 4000 :)

Anyone else a little disappointed that 32 decided to forgo the HD for the Louisville game so that they could show us "the whole game"? Or am I the only one that took a half day to watch the games :)

Chuck

Anyone else a little disappointed that 32 decided to forgo the HD for the Louisville game so that they could show us "the whole game"? Or am I the only one that took a half day to watch the games :)

Welcome to Flex-HD ... It was CBS's decision to give priority to the other games (which were much closer games and thus more "interesting.") There was very little of the UL game that actually made it out on the HD feed.

It still SUX!

All of the games on 32.1 and 32.2 that I saw were in 4:3 format and were SD at best. I do NOT recall seeing ANY HD at all.

-Mike, a UL Grad & Fan

Well, I was watching the HD feed from WKYT (due to weather inspired paranoia, the outside antenna was discon'd) and there was at most 5-7 minutes of actual UofL vs Stanford gameplay in HD. OTOH, I can't explain why WLKY might have chosen to go SD all day (other than the UL game.)

Well, I was watching the HD feed from WKYT (due to weather inspired paranoia, the outside antenna was discon'd) and there was at most 5-7 minutes of actual UofL vs Stanford gameplay in HD. OTOH, I can't explain why WLKY might have chosen to go SD all day (other than the UL game.)
I think CBS decided, not the local channel. I think CBS needs more HD equipment, some of their NFL broadcasts aren't in HD.

I think CBS decided, not the local channel.

Yes and no. Yes CBS decided, on the fly, what game would be up on the HD feed at any one time, but no, WLKY apparently opted not to run the HD feed at all.

Both WKYT and WLKY opted to stick to 100% SD for the UK game. So it looks like a case of: CBS Flex-HD = every game in HD *except* the ones you really care about. Good grief, why even bother. :rolleyes:

I think its a matter of CBS wanting to show they can do for NCAA coverage what NBC did for the Olympics. :D

Well that ... and local stations wanting to make sure you see the handfull of local commercial spots they've been "allowed" to sell. ;) They figure they've got a captive audience no matter how crappy it looks. :D

While that may have been true, now that UL, UK, IU, et. al. are out of the pic, I wonder just what the marketing geniuses are thinking? hehehe

The sad truth is that according to the "Courier Journal," the first round UL and UK games pulled in a nearly unbelievable 47% share of the audience in the local market ... despite the lack of HD. "Let them eat cake!" ;)

Watched a little bit the show "Identity" on Wave 3.1 tonight and the sync was horible. The audio was trailing the video by a 1/4 second. Just enough to make you uneasy. I don't know if it was NBC or Wave's issue.

Found out it was the NBC feed that was out of sync. It cleared up later in the evening.

Does anyone know what freq carrier setting (Standard, IRC or HRC) is best to use for pulling in digital channels over Insight cable? I know each of the settings seem to work on my STB (Samsung DTB-H260F), but does anyone know specifically which of the 3 Insight uses?
Brad

I have a Moto 6416 box leased from Insight. I see these are for sale on ebay and I wondered if these will work on Insight's cable without the need to notify Insight or pay additional fees? I intend to keep the leased box but want another for my bedroom TV and hate the thought of having to rent another one.

Thanks in advance!

I have a Moto 6416 box leased from Insight. I see these are for sale on ebay and I wondered if these will work on Insight's cable without the need to notify Insight or pay additional fees? I intend to keep the leased box but want another for my bedroom TV and hate the thought of having to rent another one.

Thanks in advance!

The boxes have to be turned on for the programming you pay for, so it will not work until Insight turns it on.

I believe starting in July 2007 the FCC has mandated that cable companies must turn on customer owned equipment if it is compatible.

Probably most of the units on Ebay are stolen as I don't think that Motorola ever sold these units to the public.

Sony sold some cable boxes with a hard drive, but it was not cheap, probably totaling about 4-5 years of paying the Insight lease fee and if it breaks and you own it then you pay to get it fixed.

Mike T

How realistic is it to get WHAS HD in bardstown?.

I've got an older version of the Channel Master CM 3671 Deepest Fringe Crossfire Series Antenna (CM3671)

I've looked at the sights and aimed it the direction they say, and have even rotated it 360 degrees i left it at the best i could but it can still completely drop the signal.

With some adjusting i can get WAVE, AND WLKY at 80 strength and WDRB comes in at 80 too.

Any iformation would be helpful since Bardstown cable has dropped whas HD from their lineup due to some contract issue.

How realistic is it to get WHAS HD in bardstown?.

I've got an older version of the Channel Master CM 3671 Deepest Fringe Crossfire Series Antenna (CM3671)

I've looked at the sights and aimed it the direction they say, and have even rotated it 360 degrees i left it at the best i could but it can still completely drop the signal.

With some adjusting i can get WAVE, AND WLKY at 80 strength and WDRB comes in at 80 too.

Any iformation would be helpful since Bardstown cable has dropped whas HD from their lineup due to some contract issue.


If you haven't seen this site it may interest you. Lots of good antenna design there. And other good info on DIY projector projects.

http://www.lumenlab.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9613

I did a dirty construction of the 4 bow tie design, PRP area, works great.

hey someone else that cruises lumenlab nice

built a 1080p wuxga projector from there very nice unit

hey someone else that cruises lumenlab nice

built a 1080p wuxga projector from there very nice unit

Good site, just ordered the 10.6 parts. :D

I noticed last night about midnight that neither WAVE 3 nor WLKY 32, during Jay Leno and Letterman's shows, were in HD. This morning, WAVE is still not in HD for the Today show. (I don't think CBS broadcasts in HD this time of day.)

What's the deal? I'm new to OTA HD reception. Is this normal, or at least to be occasionally expected? What would be the reason?

I have WAVE in HD right now. No problem here.

Edit: Parts of the program while in the studio was 16x9. When they went remote and toward the end they stayed in 4x3.

It was probably not in HD due to the debate special pushing everything back 30 minutes. I didn't bother to check during primetime, but I suspect that was SD as well last night.

Yep, after I posted that, WAVE 3 became HD 16:9 for a bit, then went back to 4:3 while in studio. WHAS was HD at the same time, for what that's worth. And yes, WLKY was delayed 30 min last night. I didn't know why, but that would explain their SD signal of Letterman. They don't broadcast anything HD unless it is a direct live feed from CBS, it seems.

Why is it that they can't or don't show Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune in HD? I don't often watch those shows, but just wondering...

Why is it that they can't or don't show Jeopardy and Wheel of Fortune in HD? ...

The same reason they can't run CBS-HD 30 minutes late. :) ... i.e. no way to "record" an HD program for later playback.

OTOH, I'm a bit tired of the "too-expensive to do it" excuse, especially since KET has had the capability for quite awhile now. Then again, they (KET) don't have to deal with 45Mbps coming down from the satellite either. ;)

Fox picture for Thunder looks good enough... if they could only sync that audio!

Audio fine here... Have two HD setups going, no problems. If they keep this up Thunder will be awsome!

Audio fine here... Have two HD setups going, no problems. If they keep this up Thunder will be awsome!

You OTA or through Insight?

OTA.

Barry on the bridge was out of sync...

Just called the newsdesk and gave them a big thumbs up. They are aware of the lip sync problems and are working on it.

WDRB did an awful job. The audio was out of sync the entire broadcast. Again once the truck pulls out, Louisville will have no local HD. The weather updates in SD tell it all. They money to rent this truck would have been better spent buying HD equipment for local origination. We will still go to SD when it rains because, local stations have no HD equipment.

Lexington has one station with HD production equipment now and does the news in HD and the other stations are on the way to doing this.

The local broadcast scene in Louisville is not a pretty picture.

The picture was decent on the Thunder broadcast, but what's up with that audio? It was out of sync, the levels were all over the place (fading in and out), and the fireworks were nothing but static-ky crackles instead of pops and booms. Both OTA and Insight. Hell, I live between Charlestown and Sellersburg, and I could hear them better from the street than I could through my stereo system. Poor, poor job.

I sent an email about the audio to Mr. Lamb the GM of 41. He told me I was being very critical and that many people worked very hard to put on the broadcast.

I wrote him back that that may be but, it was just awful with the out of sync audio.

His response is typical of the people in local broadcast today. We worked hard and you should like it. Well Mr. Lamb we did not like it because it was bad. And your response reminds me of a kid who tells his teacher he studied very hard for that test and should not get an F.

WDRB Thunder got an F.

I have a few question about everyone elses Cable box through email. I have the DCTIII6416 and i am running the old firmware. So my tv is green screening when i run HDMI through my reciever. Has any heard anything about when Insight plans to up date their firmware. I hope someone knows what im talking about here.

I sent an email about the audio to Mr. Lamb the GM of 41. He told me I was being very critical and that many people worked very hard to put on the broadcast.

I wrote him back that that may be but, it was just awful with the out of sync audio.

His response is typical of the people in local broadcast today. We worked hard and you should like it. Well Mr. Lamb we did not like it because it was bad. And your response reminds me of a kid who tells his teacher he studied very hard for that test and should not get an F.

WDRB Thunder got an F.

Yea, I'm going with the GM..... You have been very critical of WDRB even befor the show was aired. Lip sync problems aside, WDRB did a great job.

You are entitled to your opinion just as we are, but I was amused at the broadcast and for the life of me could not figure out what they were doing with the crowd shots. It was like some child had just gotten a camera and was snapping all kinds of pics without any knowledge whatsoever on how to frame pics, etc.

At least these guys only get the official broadcast every few years, there IS a God!

There goes Mike crying about WDRB again. I'd love to know why they fired him. :D

A

If they really worked that hard on the broadcast, they should seek new staff, it was that poorly done.

The 3 stations that broadcast Thunder share many of the same staff, so you are insulting Wave, and WLKY as well as WDRB. Every station except sore loser WHAS who didn't even bid on the broadcast. lol

The 3 stations that broadcast Thunder share many of the same staff, so you are insulting Wave, and WLKY as well as WDRB. Every station except sore loser WHAS who didn't even bid on the broadcast. lol

I think you are not correct. The same staff does thunder each year for the derby festival committee. The broadcast staff is totally up to the station that is airing it. The only duplication would be if two stations hired the same remote truck and the people that come with it could be the same.

The bottom line is WDRB blew a lot of money and did not pull it off. We the viewer lost and will continue to lose with the current reluctance to invest in HD broadcasting equipment and talent by the current ownership of the local stations.

I think you are not correct. The same staff does thunder each year for the derby festival committee. The broadcast staff is totally up to the station that is airing it. The only duplication would be if two stations hired the same remote truck and the people that come with it could be the same.

The bottom line is WDRB blew a lot of money and did not pull it off. We the viewer lost and will continue to lose with the current reluctance to invest in HD broadcasting equipment and talent by the current ownership of the local stations.


"The telecast is a joint effort of local TV stations, which rotate the event from year to year and help each other out with the production."


Tom Dorsey CJ Reporter

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070420/COLUMNISTS15/704200330

I sent an email about the audio to Mr. Lamb the GM of 41. He told me I was being very critical and that many people worked very hard to put on the broadcast.

I wrote him back that that may be but, it was just awful with the out of sync audio.

His response is typical of the people in local broadcast today. We worked hard and you should like it. Well Mr. Lamb we did not like it because it was bad. And your response reminds me of a kid who tells his teacher he studied very hard for that test and should not get an F.

WDRB Thunder got an F.

That reply is absolutely amazing. We anticipated this broadcast all week, and I was looking forward to cranking the surround system up during the fireworks. Then the show starts and the music is up and down so badly that I had to turn the volume almost all the way down to avoid the annoyance. Given the obvious technical problems they were having (I was watching OTA), I kept wondering why they didn't just turn the damned music off altogether and just let us hear the fireworks.

And did anyone else notice the picture distortion on the left side of one of the cameras on the ground? When they went to a shot of the dark sky, a bar of distortion (about the same size as the side bars when using 4:3 mode) was clearly visible on the left side. For a while I was wondering if I had IR of some sort.

Also...what about those commercials? Not only were there four minutes of commercial to two minutes of actual broadcast at times, they only had a small handful of spots to even air! Some spots were shown twice in the same break. On the other hand, I'm not sure how many different ways over an eight-hour period you can talk about a bunch of people gathering along the river. And I agree with the comment about the camera work during the show. Why were we being shown shots of people squeezing past each other in the crowd?

I would have given 41 a passing grade of B if not for the awful audio, but with that, I'll give them a D.

And is it true that WHAS pouted and didn't even bid? Shame on them! I've hated that station ever since their poor sportsmanship with Thunder a year or two ago, and refuse to watch their news because their commercials blow you out of the room. I watch 11 when I have to see something on ABC and no other time.

Alright ... I've resisted posting about T.O.L. so far due to the fact that I wasn't able to pull in WDRB-DT during the afternoon. OTOH, as far as the actual fireworks coverage, I think it was probably the best HD/5.1 effort yet (by any of the 'villian stations.)

New this year ...

1) Nearly all HD! (except for one lone 4ish second SD looking frame.) Except for one camera that was broken/horribly out of focus no complaints here.

2) An actual 5.1 (or perhaps 5.0) audio mix.

3) Stayed in HD after the show was over (unlike previous years when it poof like the proverbial pumpkin after the last boom.)

4) 11pm fireworks rebroadcast in HD!

As for the "audio sync issue," maybe it's just me, but I didn't notice it.

A fine effort (with the stipulation that I didn't watch any of the air show coverage this year.)

A question from a novice here. Any help would be much appreciated.

Anyway, I have two HDTV's, a Sanyo and a Vizio, I have them hooked up with a splitter to my DB2 antenna which is mounted on my roof. I also have them ran through my DirecTV HDDVR boxes. The locals seem to be perfect throughout the day, hardly every dropping the signal. But at night, during primetime, it seems, it always starts to drop. Also, for some reason, I can pick up WLKY in HD during the day and late at night(like around 2-3 in the morning), but NEVER during primetime. That one doesn't even display the channel and start to drop the signal, it just doesn't display at all.

Anyway, antennaweb says I need a small multi-directional for those channels and it also says I am about 17-18 miles from each of the big four towers(NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox). Any advice on strengthening my signal so it doesn't constantly drop?

Could the fact that I am usually DVR'ing the same thing in both rooms be overloading it? Like, for instance, if Heroes is on, I will DVR it on both rooms and if Lost happened to be on at the same time, I would DVR IT in both rooms, as well.

Thanks, again, for any help provided.

I was wrong on one thing though, I had told my wife they would cut in the middle of the fireworks show to run an infomercial (their top-rated show!) for some garden implement, non-Rx ED "cure", or some such product.

:)

Funny how a guy who's favorite channel is WBKI talks about another channel showing an infomerical. :D

Well, the scum has oozed to the surface again!

We have been down this road before, but with your mental capabilities, its no wonder you don't remember.

Still schilling for wdrb, are you?

I'm scum? lol

I just think it's funny watching some little goon who hates a local TV station this much.

Maybe Bill Lamb ran over his dog or something.

Why were we being shown shots of people squeezing past each other in the crowd?



I do agree with that comment.

DO you guys get some sound anomalies through Insight's HD service? It seems it is mostly a pop/crackle, and it seems to bug me the most on the local stations (HD) and on A&E and CourtTV. I have the Motorola 6416 if that makes a difference. WOuld using analog or optical out on the box help (using HDMI now)?

Aparently my HD Locals problem is my DirecTV HD DVR box. When I run the HD locals through the box, they cut out often and some, like CBS, don't come in at all. When I run the line through my TV set, all come in crisp and clear, including CBS. Is there ANY way that I can fix this problem, or are DirecTV HDDVR's just pieces of ****?

Aparently my HD Locals problem is my DirecTV HD DVR box. When I run the HD locals through the box, they cut out often and some, like CBS, don't come in at all. When I run the line through my TV set, all come in crisp and clear, including CBS. Is there ANY way that I can fix this problem, or are DirecTV HDDVR's just pieces of ****?

Well I have a Direct TV HR10-250 and a HR20-700 and have no problems with locals OTA. Which box do you have and have you called Direct TV?

I have two HR20-700's. I just figured the problem out today, so I haven't called specifically over this, but they have never been helpful before on the local HD front.

Does anyone know what freq carrier setting (Standard, IRC or HRC) is best to use for pulling in digital channels over Insight cable? I know each of the settings seem to work on my STB (Samsung DTB-H260F), but does anyone know specifically which of the 3 Insight uses?
Brad
Insight uses standard frequencies. PM me if you need the frequency -> channel list.

Am using a 64xx box from Insight and not much in the way of pops/crackle here, however, I am using the optical out on the Moto box to my sound system. The HMDI is connected to the TV, but I never use the speakers that are built into the TV, so no idea of how they are.

The fiber cables give you digital sound capabilities, so would opt for that over the analog cables. Pick one up or order one from somewhere like monoprice.com and see if that doesn't help.

Actually, I did use the optical, but that didn't fix it. It is apparently just a few channels that were acting odd. I changed some settings in the DCT's menu and everything has cleared. I'm not sure why, but the only sound goofiness now is when programming switches from stereo/5.1/etc. It just sounds weird.

Glad you got that straightened up, sounds like an bad setting in the 64xx was the culprit. I power mine off no less often than once a week to clear one transient bug or another of some kind. Seems to work fine to clear most of them and if you just unplug from the wall (or battery backup in my case) it saves you the long hold times on the phone to get the system "reset", when in fact, they both accomplish the same things.

If the poppings you are hearing are coming from WLKY, that is another thing. On most of their local origination (or even locally rebroadcast) shows, they have a problem switching back and forth between 5.1 and 2.1 all the time. Its really annoying, but calls to the station by several viewers have yet to get them off their a$$es to fix the situation, so until it effects their ratings, we will just have to deal with it. The other locals have the same problem (have never had it on PBS, though), but theirs are so infrequent its really not anything to gripe about (IMO.)

If its any solace, the popping and crackling caused by the changing from 5.1 to 2.1 to 5.1 to ....... is NOT the 64xx box's fault, its the same way OTA.


I feel a LITTLE better about it. Now if A&E and CourtTV will fix it at least for CSI and Forensic Files, I'll be a happy man (even happier if those channels would go HiDef).

Ahhh, that's good news.

On the CourtTV thing, I work 3rd shift, and it's near impossible to find good programming overnight on the weekends. That's why I live for CSI and Forensic Files marathons. An occasional movie is good.

When my wife was working 4 PM - 1 AM, we worked the hell out of the E* DVR we had and thankfully that one worked very well. (So good a clone of TiVo that they were sued by TiVo and lost in court!) DVRs are a blessing for those that are not working 9-5 and now that she is working 7A - 7P, its good to record shows on as by the time she gets home, chills and gets ready to watch any TV, its still 9 PM.

Sure wish more HD channels were added to Insight, but am glad I haven't jumped to D*, as their satellites that were going to add all the 50 gazillion HD channels were still on the ground at last report. E* still has not much more than Insight, so am still waiting to see what shakes out before I change, but definitely want more (lots more!) HD.

The 1st alternative that offers lots of HD and a decent DVR will get tons of new users. My neighbors are all in the same boat you and I are in, waiting for someone to add some content as we have invested in the technology.

Oh, well, the wait continues!

-Mike
Not much longer. Direct TV 10 is scheduled to launch June 20. This will give us 100 HD channels by end of this year. I am ready for it my dish and HD DVR are in place. The day they fire up I have them.

I'm hoping the FIOS gets implemented quickly if their promises are legitimate. The extra Internet bandwidth would be very useful to me, and they've been promising a "bunch" of HD stations. I guess it is Verizon coming here, or maybe it was SBC?

Anyone else having trouble getting FOX 41 over the air? I've got 77% signal strength but no picture at all. All the other Louisville locals are coming in strong and clear. Is WDRB having problems with their digital signal?

I'm in Shelbyville and getting a good signal.

FOX 41 coming in good here in Georgetown, KY for me. About 67%

I usually get it for about 5 hours at night, and thats it.

Well, after two nights of no FOX 41.1 digital (despite higher signal strength than the other channels), I had my TV (Panasonic 60u) rescan automatically for available channels, and now 41.1 is back.

WDRB Digital started having problems Tuesday night. They needed to drop out of HD during House to run a weather craw. Well they killed the digital broadcast altogether and the rest of House was not broadcast at all on there digital channel. For that matter the weather craw was not broadcast either. Just a black screen and no audio.

Once more this shows that the money they invested in a much flawed attempt to broadcast Thunder in HD could have much better been spent on permanent HD equipment so that weather alerts and the like could be broadcast in HD and not interrupt HD programing. WDRB is not alone in this as at this point no Louisville TV station has indicated they will be installing any HD equipment.

Is it just me, or is the color off on WBKI TV and DT?

Also when watching WLKY-DT local programming such as the news, the picture is dark. Anyone experiencing these too?

I am experiencing the same problem with WLKY. Dark picture.

Is it just me, or is the color off on WBKI TV and DT?

Also when watching WLKY-DT local programming such as the news, the picture is dark. Anyone experiencing these too?

It's not just you ... there is a distinct lack of green on WBKI (except during the CW HD programming.) And yes WLKY needs to replace their SD light bulb. ;)

I have a great signal strength but i have no picture. It has been this way for a month or so. I have a DISHDVR 921 receiver. Also happens on 11-2

I have a great signal strength but i have no picture. It has been this way for a month or so. I have a DISHDVR 921 receiver. Also happens on 11-2

1) There is no 11-2 anymore.

2) Try doing a 'scan for off-air channels' (or whatever it's called on the 921)

3) People are still using the 921???? :D

The problem is that the stations are not keeping the company that produces the guides informed of the changes they make. So program guide says there is a station present in the market that is no longer broadcasting and the receiver show it.

The problem is that the stations are not keeping the company that produces the guides informed of the changes they make.


True ... although the OP's issue with WDRB-DT may also be due to a glitch in the station's PSIP data ... hence the suggestion to rescan.

So You Think You Can Dance.....


In SD. Newsdesk totally blew me off when I called in.

Would the guy on my node please subscribe to something else other than kick boxing, ultimate fighting or whatever it is on PPV. It's starting to get down right boaring! :D :p

You are wanting them to get some of those church service specials, I am sure, right? :D

Oh great, now you've ruined my lunch! :D

Question for those of you who also use a HD tuner to receive QAM via Insight, what has happened to the music channels? Haven't been able to find them for a while. Their assignments changed, had to reprogram the channels last month or more ago, but now I can't find them at all, reprogramed twice. Have they been dropped temporarily or am I missing them?

Question for those of you who also use a HD tuner to receive QAM via Insight, what has happened to the music channels? Haven't been able to find them for a while. Their assignments changed, had to reprogram the channels last month or more ago, but now I can't find them at all, reprogramed twice. Have they been dropped temporarily or am I missing them?

I still have them on my QAM equipped LG 37LC2D between 109-21 and 116-40

I have OTA locals in the Louisville market. I get WLKY-DT on both 26.3 and 32.1. Is there any difference between these channels?

I still have them on my QAM equipped LG 37LC2D between 109-21 and 116-40

I don't know what's happened then. I still don't have them, and I tried many channels in that range w/ no signs of a any signal, and I've again reprogrammed the channel presets a few times; still no music channels. I still have all the other QAM channels I used to have, just no music ones.

Anybody else having this problem? I haven't changed anything equipment wise. Maybe it's just down in this part of town or something.

Ultimate sadness. :( I'm missing my music channels!

Who knows what happens with Insight.
I wouldn't think you would lose the music channels in one area. They come through their standard cable signal.
I can't say what the setup is on my son's LG 37" but his standard def pictures coming through his digital Insight box is horrible. I don't have Insights digital box and only use the QAM tuner. My standard def pictures are pretty good.
A little O/T, but I lost my internet yesterday a couple of times. When it came back I noticed a significant increase in DL speed.
So with Insight it's always a crap shoot.
Oh, and by the way you can, or use to be able to, use a 75ohm/300ohm splitter that has a FM tap. And connect that directly to your stereo's FM antenna and pick up Insights audio. I haven't done that in years so I don't know if that still works.
Personally I wouldn't be putting hours on my HD tv to listen to the stereo, of course I have a tin ear.LOL

You can always subscribe to the HD & digital packages and get them. :) Or subscribe to XM or Sirius?

Sure that is an option, but then I would be paying more $$ to get back something I already had since I just want to get my music channels back; my monthly check to Insight is enough at the moment! :D I just want to keep my cable subscription w/o the extra packages, and since the music channels are part of the regular cable feed via QAM, I should be set. Just can't figure out why they are gone. I'll try calling Insight if I feel froggy, but right now, just hoping it resolves on it's own. Haven't had much luck discussing QAM tuner related questions w/ them in the past.


Personally I wouldn't be putting hours on my HD tv to listen to the stereo

That's the beauty of having the external tuner box connected directly to my Denon receiver, the TV is just a monitor in this set up, so it doesn't have to be on to listen to the music channels.

Thanks for the input guys; post back if you think anything else!

Insight, QAM tuner? :eek: :D :D :D
One word comes to mind.......Clueless!
Cheep route is to try that transformer with the FM tap if you want.
Good luck with Insight. :eek:

Is the only way to get FSN HD is to use the QAM tuner? It is not listed on my Moto box.

You may have "HAD IT" in the past, but since you are NOT paying for it, I think I would give the "righteous indignation routine" a rest. You are NOT entitled to something that you are NOT paying for, are you?


Take it easy Mike. Why the attitude? You're being aggressive where it's not necessary. A/V forums are supposed to be fun. :D I wasn't being "righteously indignant", and where'd the quotes come from, those aren't my words? I'm paying for the basic cable tier from Insight, the QAM channels are available via the basic cable per the Insight cable installer. If the music channels are no longer part of the QAM channels or if I was receiving them in error, fine, but that doesn't seem to be the case since other people around town have them via QAM, so I'm just trying to figure out why they have disappeared here. I haven't been complaining about anything; I've asked questions. Big difference.

If anybody has anything constructive to add; all suggestions would be welcome.

Happy 4th.
Brad

The reason I ask about FSN is because if you go to Louisville HDTV.com they list FSN HD as 75.2. When I go to 929 it says please subscribe I shouldn't have to subscribe if its off air all the time.

The music channels not being broadcast or not supposted to be broadcast via QAM is the info that I needed; question solved, thank you Mike. I did not know that. I was NOT trying to get anything illegally (assuming so Mike was unnecessary on your part). If the music channels were recently removed from QAM broadcasting b/c Insight decided to do so, then great, I know now! As I said earlier, I don't have a digital subscription and apparently didn't know what is "supposed" to be over the QAM broadcast (Mike thank you for telling me), but the mere fact that I inquire about it being deemed discussing "Theft of services"??? get real! If I was asking how to get illegal cable/descramblers or whatever is out there, then yes, that would certainly apply to the rules & reg's of AVSforum, but simply asking what happened to something that Insight was broadcasting area wide via QAM, doesn't fall into any forum no/no's, so I think we're safe. :rolleyes:
FWIW, I called Insight, took a while, but I got somebody who knows what the QAM channels are; despite not being required to do so, the guy said Insight knew the music channels were/are in the open QAM broadcast (still stealing?). Again, thank you for telling me about the music channels not being an official part of the QAM (despite Insight doing so anyhow knowingly), but come on, don't give me the attitude of talking to me like I'm some simpleton cable thief, that's just unnecessary & rude.
-Brad

Thanks Mike I guess its in the tier with ESPN HD and ESPN2? When my new XBR2 comes hopefully on monday I will subscribe to Digitial Choice because I want science channel and that allows me to get more HD. Hopefully i don't have to get the HD pak to get FSN for a couple games because I don't want to pay 7.95 for really no channels i want.

What HD-DVR does Insight use now and how large is the hard disk? I am currently on D* and I am getting tired of the poor HD picture I am receiving (HD-LITE). Thanks!

Last I checked it was the Motorola DCT6412, dual-tuner & HD DVR w/ 120GB harddrive. Unless they recently changed I think that's still the one they use.

http://broadband.motorola.com/dvr/dct6412.asp

A friend of mine just switched to Insight about a month ago and they installed the DCT6416 which is the same as the 6412 but with a 160 GByte drive instead of the 120 GByte. It also has the HDMI output.

Do you have any free movies and HD movies on the VOD service yet?

Hi all,

Living in Jeff, IN., and have a Sony 60" KDS60A2000 1080p set, Moto 6416, ...
and have a weird sound problem on CHannel 906 and 908 ...

the sound levels are muffled, especialy on the today show, when changing from sound inside the studio to sound out in the plaza ...

Everything is fine on the SD NBC channel (6), .. just screwed up on HD.

Anyone else with sound issues on HD network channels?

thanks
Allen

Thanks all for the info. Insight gave me a pretty sweet deal for the first year and a guarantee of no increase more than $5 the next year. As far as D* goes, my rates went up quite a bit in the last year with them. Also, my HD-Tivo that I paid $300 for will not work with their new mpeg4 HD channels so I have to buy a new HD-PVR box from them WITH a 2 year commitment. I don't think so! I am going to test drive the Insight system out while keeping my D* until I see how this shakes out. For my main recordings of HD, I will still use my OTA Mythtv setup (that is FREE) but of course, it too has problems with the zap2it service being turned off in September, ***sigh***

Thanks all for the info. Insight gave me a pretty sweet deal for the first year and a guarantee of no increase more than $5 the next year. As far as D* goes, my rates went up quite a bit in the last year with them. Also, my HD-Tivo that I paid $300 for will not work with their new mpeg4 HD channels so I have to buy a new HD-PVR box from them WITH a 2 year commitment. I don't think so! I am going to test drive the Insight system out while keeping my D* until I see how this shakes out. For my main recordings of HD, I will still use my OTA Mythtv setup (that is FREE) but of course, it too has problems with the zap2it service being turned off in September, ***sigh***

Call D* because people are getting the D* HD HR20 DVR for as low as $19.99 by asking for a deal. The new D* DVRs have their own issues but IMO they are light years ahead of the Moto 6416.

Last time I did the math Insight was about $30-$35 more a month for the programming/hardware setup that I have (but that does not count any deals Insight may be offering). But for me, it is all irrelevant because Insight still does not and will not in the forseeable future offer any sports packages.

I agree about the DVRs. The Moto box is a POS and the "cable guide" is the other side of useless. That is a hard one to figure as TVGuide owns the outfit that Insight gets their cable guide from. Hmmmmmm........ now, can easily see why TVGuide is in trouble. (TitanTV.com is so much more accurate and easier to use, as well, so end up using that a lot, as is.)

I am waiting to see how D* does with the satellite they keep saying will allow them to add all the HD and then either going back to D* or E*. Satellite, even with all their increases are higher than Insight and the HD offerings are more complete.


I'm a long time D* customer, but we are currently building a house and are staying with family while it is being built so I've had the opportunity to use Insight's cable TV service.

IMO, Insight has advantages in : HD locals (louisville is the highest ranked city on the DMA list that still does not have HD locals through D*), VOD (D* is suppose to be offering VOD "soon" through broadband, it will be very interesting how that shakes out), ease of setup (ie no dish required) and internet/phone bundles.

IMO D* has advantages in: price (like I posted before, doing the math, Insight is about $30-$35 more expensive per month for my setup which includes multiple DVRs and HD), sports packages (Insight has none), sports programming (with D* I can get the alternate games as well as the main games when ESPN is showing multiple games to different areas of the country), DVR (the Moto box is awful, no folders, ads, small guide with only four lines, inconsistent controls, small hard drive).

It will be interesting what changes the new sats and new ownership will bring to D*.

Compare and let us know what you think!

For the OTA, look at TitanTV.com. Am setting up a Vista notebook with it for recording of local channels now, so was looking at TitanTV and Zap2It.com for scheduling of the controller.

Also, per the Zap2It website (Heather on 6/21/07):

"Tribune Media Services recently announced that it will be discontinuing the Zap2it Labs service effective September 1, 2007. (Read the announcement here.)

If you are a Zap2it Labs user and would like to comment on this decision, please post to the Zap2it Labs Forum.

This forum is not monitored by Zap2it Labs staff.

Also, the Zap2it TV Listings are not being shut down -- there has been some confusion about this in comments on other message boards. "

Looks like you may well be able to continue to use it to me?

I am talking about the automated XMLTV downloads that Mythtv and other OTA freeware DVRs use. Zap2It labs are going to be turning that off Sept. 1. The Mythtv programmers as well as a few others are grouping together to offer the same service for a fee but they have stated that they are 85% sure that a deal can be done. You can manually program the Mythtv schedule using Titantv and other sources but that is a pain.

As far as costs goes, Insights offering on the package deal I got (cable only) is cheaper than my current deal (only a few bucks) than with D* and I am using their equipment and can cancel at anytime. D* wants me to signup for two more years plus buy their new equipment and from the various people I know that own the new boxes, they say they pretty much suck. I am not sure how crappy the 6416 is but it can't be worse than the 6408 I had a couple of years ago when I dropped Insight and went back to D*. I know the SD locals look better on Insight than D* but I am not sure about the other SD channels. I'll report back after the install!

As far as costs goes, Insights offering on the package deal I got (cable only) is cheaper than my current deal (only a few bucks) than with D* and I am using their equipment and can cancel at anytime. D* wants me to signup for two more years plus buy their new equipment and from the various people I know that own the new boxes, they say they pretty much suck. I am not sure how crappy the 6416 is but it can't be worse than the 6408 I had a couple of years ago when I dropped Insight and went back to D*.

After using both the new D* DVR and the 6416, IMO, the 6416 is much, much worse for all the reasons I mentioned up above - ie the ads (which are waaay to easy to accidently scroll into), the four line guide, the inconsistent controls, no folders, no skip-to-tick (that I can find). The general consensus on dbstalk.com is the new D* DVRs were released way to early, but many of the bugs have been worked out - I know mine was finally fine after about 3 months of issues.

The problem I found with Insight's pricing is that when you add in multiple DVRs (including one hi-def DVR) and the higher end packages, the price gap between Insight and D* gets pretty wide. Additional DVRs with D* are 5.99 a month, with Insight, they are $14, multiply that by 3 and you are at a $27 price delta just on equipment. (Note, that does not factor in the upfront cost of D*'s DVRs but I've never had to pay any upfront costs, just had to call and whine to customer retention. YMMV). Last time I checked, Insights comparable package to what I have with D* was also a few bucks more expensive - add it all up, and they were almost $35 more a month for less programming.

This is a little off topic but it's local.

Here's a link http://www.lumenlab.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9613 I made a OTA antenna for Zero bucks :D. Excellent reception from the attic on all local DTV/HDTV channels.

Well, so far, I can say that Insight's picture is way better in both SD and HD than D*. The 6416 functionally sucks compared to both of my Tivos (SD and HD) but it seems to work but I haven't really put it through its paces. The wife likes the on-demand feature. I still have D* hooked up so I won't be to painful to bail if this system doesn't workout. I also get OTA HD via my Mythtv box with a HDhomerun and Fusion 5 Lite setup. It rocks! I am now adding a Tivx 4100 box for playback of archived material so a DVR may become less of an issue, I hope so, it would make cable less expensive than D* but I am mostly interested in a great picture and would pay more for it, IMHO.
P.S., I agree the commercials suck really big time on the Insight box, what's up with that? I get a great OTA signal and sometimes I think about chucking sat & cable both and maybe I will if this doesn't work.

Well, so far, I can say that Insight's picture is way better in both SD and HD than D*.

Yep, I hope D* gets there crap together when the new Sats are functional and stops compressing the heck out of everything.

From what I've heard, the MPEG4 HD locals are close to OTA quality, but I'll believe it when I see it. Unfortunately, Louisville HD locals still aren't even on the radar yet with D* even though we are the largest DMA without them

Are the odd audio anomalies on the local HD channels coming from the networks or from Insight, or even my Moto 6416? On a few occasions I've had sound drop, but only on a few of the 5.1 channels. Example, on Law and Order HD broadcast last week, all the background music and sounds were there, but no voices.

I don't know what's happened then. I still don't have them, and I tried many channels in that range w/ no signs of a any signal, and I've again reprogrammed the channel presets a few times; still no music channels. I still have all the other QAM channels I used to have, just no music ones.

Anybody else having this problem? I haven't changed anything equipment wise. Maybe it's just down in this part of town or something.

Ultimate sadness. :( I'm missing my music channels!If you are refering to the music choice channels on 110-105+, they are still there but they are now encrypted so they cannot be tuned by QAM tuners. I wasn't too happy about it either.

I have D* with an in attic antenna for local HD Channels. When I first sit this up in April, I received almost all of the public television channels (WKPC, etc.) now I cannot get any of them. Has anything changed? Is there something I must change in order to receive them or have they changed their configuration?

Are the odd audio anomalies on the local HD channels coming from the networks or from Insight, or even my Moto 6416? On a few occasions I've had sound drop, but only on a few of the 5.1 channels. Example, on Law and Order HD broadcast last week, all the background music and sounds were there, but no voices.

I have E* with OTA locals and had the same experiece with Law and Order last week. It was NBC DT.

NBC DT is by far the worst of the HD networks. Particularly the audio. There is almost always a background audio screeching noise that is very aggravating.

Does anyone have an explanation for the background squealing on NBC DT? If you haven't noticed it don't try. It will drive you crazy.

Even though ESPN picked up the Giants Marlins game Insight is picking up the FSN Florida feed. I wish we could pick our FSN affliate because it would be awesome to have FSN Midwest.

The best way to see if the Reds are on 929 check tv.yahoo.com listing for channel 520 and if it says HDTV turn to 929.

Has anyone heard any talk of any of the local stations broadcasting its news in HD anytime soon? The first one that does will get our viewership at 6pm and 11pm, and I suspect they'll get many other HDTV viewers, as well.

just to get this out.

I work for elan home systems in lexington in the tech support dept.

we are currently hiring people for tech support.

if you feel you qualify send your resume to tech@elanhomesystems.com

car audio experience would be a plus!
pc and networking also!

i know louisville is a big commute but thought i would just inform you guys over there!

i commute from frankfort to lexington everyday its a bit of a drive but a pretty kewl job!

I've been with E* since 1998 and would recommend them to anyone. I get 37 national HD channels, not counting locals or RSN's. E*'s 622/722 DVR is the best on the market hands down. Not only is it the most feature rich (including support for external storage) but it works!!! While there's no perfection in this industry as technology quickly changes (we're all beta testers), there's no more stable box than the 622/722. Ditch cable, forget D* and their siren song of future HD (maybe, someday, sorta).

Am assuming that you are meaning in 16:9.

Or maybe he means in actual HDTV ;) Not to rub salt in the wounds, but both WLEX and WKYT in Lexington have been doing 'TrueHD' newscasts for a few months now, granted some of the field camera work is still upconverted SD. Louisville needs to get back in the game.

PS: If D* can get some HD added, am switching back in a heartbeat. :)

I can't wait to hear you cry about them for a while, instead of Insight.:D

I can't wait to hear you cry about them for a while, instead of Insight.:D

Wait until Time Warner buys Insight. Then, internet speeds will drop AND the cable will go out often. I really wish someone would bring a reliable FIOS through here.

I read a bunch of posts here and want to make sure I have it correct, can you use the new cable HD Tivo with insight?

I have D* with the hr10-250 and I just got the HR20-700 for all the promised HD channels. I really like the tivo interface and am not sure I can get used to the HR20 but after reading everything posted it sounds like insight is way behind D*. I was hoping that I could get back to Tivo by buying the HD Tivo and going cable....

Im pretty sure you can use Tivo with insight but I cannot confirm this. You would have to rent a cable card to use the tivo with channels that are scrambled and subscription type channels.

I thought Comcast held the rights to 50% of Insight in this area. I just browsed Time Warners site and their services are pretty expensive. I wouldn't mind a Comcast buyout because they offer stuff like Extra Innings and Center Ice thats my only beef with Insight other than lack of HD channels like NFL network and versus.

Is it me, or has Wave deteriorated even further? Last year the picture was macro-blocked and pixelated, but at least it sounded good. Now the sound is so digitized, it sounds like you are listening through a tin can. When will this degradation stop??

I'm currently just pulling HD channels over basic cable from Insight. I considered upgrading to a digital package, but from what I've read the receiver is a piece. Is Insight still using the MOTO6412? It doesn't even have an HDMI output! If that's the case, I'll just stick with my cheap cable.

Oh, I figured out who D* is, but who is E*? Please pardon my ignorance... I know little about satellite service.

Does anyone have even the most remote clue when D* is going to be bringing us our locals in HD? Or does anyone have any ideas how I can get the stations to sign off on the Distant Network Service so I can watch an NFL game on NBC in HD? I just watched my beloved Steelers play and couldn't even make out the numbers. For Louisville to be the "16th" Largest City in the country, this just stinks that we don't have HD Locals!

I'm currently just pulling HD channels over basic cable from Insight. I considered upgrading to a digital package, but from what I've read the receiver is a piece. Is Insight still using the MOTO6412? It doesn't even have an HDMI output! If that's the case, I'll just stick with my cheap cable.

Oh, I figured out who D* is, but who is E*? Please pardon my ignorance... I know little about satellite service.

They are using the 6416 v3 that does have HDMI. Actually, so far mine has worked flawlessly. I expect it to quit this afternoon now, though. If I didn't need the DVR, I would get just a card.

E* & D* are both going to VOD and I feel certain neither will be as sad as what cable has to offer.

Cheers!

D*'s VOD service went into public beta test yesterday. Details are at dbstalk.com

Can someone clear something up for me in regards to Insight? Is ESPN no longer part of the HD Pack? As in, if I get digital service will be able to access EPSN HD without the additional HD Pack charge? I want to upgrade my service but keep it cheap. I don't care about movie channels or HDNET. I just want local stations and EPSN in HD. I currently have phone, internet, and BASIC cable through Insight. I've called them, but I felt like was getting the run around from the salesperson. Any suggestions?

To get ESPN and ESPN2 HD you will have to pay $15 for hd box/ dvr. The programming requirement can be solved by asking to upgrade to digital standard (stuff like Science Channel etc.) its only like $7 month. You then get ESPN2, ESPN, TNT, and MHD.

Okay, I am new to this HDTV thing so bear with me. I recently bought an LCD HDTV capable of 720p and 1080i and have Insight service. I upgraded my Insight service to digital with DVR. I didn't get the HD pack. I hooked up my DVR/cable box to my television using Insight's schematics. That is using component video connections. The cablebox/DVR has a HDMI port. Should I use the HDMI input or the component video connections? Picture looks okay in SD but a little milky.
Thanks

You'll want to get an HDMI cable. That is a digital connection that passes both audio and video. It will be worth your while.

Try http://www.monoprice.com, you'll get a much better price than the absurd mark up on cables at local stores.

If you want inexpensive HDMI cables, check with Computer Outlet in the industrial park. They don't quite have monoprice prices but they are still pretty inexpensive.

Insight only charged me $7 for the ones they brought with my box. They appear to be the same as the Monoprice ones.

To get ESPN and ESPN2 HD you will have to pay $15 for hd box/ dvr. The programming requirement can be solved by asking to upgrade to digital standard (stuff like Science Channel etc.) its only like $7 month. You then get ESPN2, ESPN, TNT, and MHD.

So, Insight has changed their policy or HD pkgs?

Before, in order to get the extra HD channels (ESPN2, TNT, etc.) you had to add at least Classic Cable and a digital pack.

I just have basic cable and the HD pack. I added classic and a digital package at one point to get the extra HD channels but got tired of paying thru the nose for channels I didn't watch much, esp. during the summer lull in sports. So, when I canceled the extra stuff I noticed my ESPN HD went away, too. But, a friend of mine that still has just basic and the HD pack still has his ESPN HD.

Well, spoke to a snippy Insight CSR last night and she told me ESPN HD had not been part of the Hi-Def package for over 2 years!

That's total BS!

ESPN*2* maybe but ESPN HD has been part of it since the get-go AFAIK. I'd moved a couple of times since I first got the Hi-Def package so ESPN HD would have been disconnected somewhere along the line before that.

And, in order for me to get ESPN HD back (and I guess it adds ESPN2 and TNTHD and MHD), I have to add on Classic cable *and* a digitial pack. So, over $40 more per month to get a couple more hi-def channels.

That's a total CROCK.

Going to have to check out some DirecTV deals. I believe Louisville locals still aren't on DirecTV but I can put a decent antenna up in my attic and run some cable down to the set and I'm good to go. I'm now in about the highest part of the county out near Middletown so reception shouldn't be an issue.

They are using the 6416 v3 that does have HDMI. Actually, so far mine has worked flawlessly. I expect it to quit this afternoon now, though. If I didn't need the DVR, I would get just a card.


Well, I was off by a couple of weeks, but my box locked up on me twice now in as many days. I guess I get to call the ever-so-lovely CS people at Insight in the morning. :rolleyes: Is there any way to transfer saved programs to a new box, maybe through USB or Firewire?

Does anyone know when we might see an OTA digital signal from WBKI that will be strong enough to receive on a typical outdoor antenna? As I understand it their current digital transmitter is between Campbelsville and Raywick!

I pick up WBKI just fine with an outdoor antenna in Lexington. Have you tried aiming the antenna towards their transmitter location?

Yes - I have a rotor but there are a few trees around - I receive all other locals without a problem.

REQUEST:

Over in the Cincinnati thread we have noted a change in the OTA DTV signal of our local KET outlet, WCVN-DT. We are wondering if the change is unique to that transmitter.

We are particularly interested in the 8PM-midnight time period, when KET4 is in HD mode.

Could someone do a 30 sec. capture of your local KET outlet, run it through TSreader Lite, Export to html (everything except thumbnails) and post a zip of the report here?

Many thanks!

Mike0616 - thanks for the info - I do not have cable - I am on D* and get my locals OTA. Looks like I am stuck with analog 28 until they boost power in 09

Mike0616 - thanks for the info - I do not have cable - I am on D* and get my locals OTA. Looks like I am stuck with analog 28 until they boost power in 09

Power is not the problem ... the problem is that the digital antenna is mounted at ~1/2 of the originally planned height. Apparently, they can't raise it until they get rid of the old analog antenna at the top of the tower.

FWIW, I usually get them fine even with my antenna pointed 60 degrees off axis.

Can someone help me out with this question: On the QAM channels, do you need a set-top box to decode, or can it be done over the coax line? I have basic Insight service, and would rather not spend the extra 20 bucks or so to get HD if it is already included.

Who do I need to contact to get the local NBC station to get their act together? I'm tired of watching pixelated football on Sunday Night. Other stations put them to shame!

Who do I need to contact to get the local NBC station to get their act together? I'm tired of watching pixelated football on Sunday Night. Other stations put them to shame!They have to drop the quality because they need the bandwith for the Tube which none of us can do without :rolleyes:

Can someone help me out with this question: On the QAM channels, do you need a set-top box to decode, or can it be done over the coax line? I have basic Insight service, and would rather not spend the extra 20 bucks or so to get HD if it is already included.Channels available via QAM:


189 - KET 1
190 - KET 2
191 - KET 3
906 - WAVE HD (NBC)
908 - WHAS HD (ABC)
910 - WDRB HD (FOX)
912 - WLKY HD (CBS)
914 - WBKI HD (CW)
915 - WMYO HD (My Network)
918 - KET 4
Various audio only channels (HDHomeRun only - maybe other PC QAM tuners)

You also get the following but I don't know the channel numbers:
Horse Racing TV
Jewelry TV (shopping)

Until about a month ago, you also got the following but they are no longer available:
All Music Choice channels:
Bravo
Sci-Fi (HDHomeRun only)

Channels available via QAM:


189 - KET 1
190 - KET 2
191 - KET 3
906 - WAVE HD (NBC)
908 - WHAS HD (ABC)
910 - WDRB HD (FOX)
912 - WLKY HD (CBS)
914 - WBKI HD (CW)
915 - WMYO HD (My Network)
918 - KET 4
Various audio only channels (HDHomeRun only - maybe other PC QAM tuners)

You also get the following but I don't know the channel numbers:
Horse Racing TV
Jewelry TV (shopping)

Until about a month ago, you also got the following but they are no longer available:
All Music Choice channels:
Bravo
Sci-Fi (HDHomeRun only)

Thanks. I've got a QAM tuner on my Hauppauge WIN-TV-1600, but the software is a bit buggy. I was only getting KET4 - now I'm getting all the KET's and one other channel. I'll keep trying!

Does anyone have a Sony DHG 250? Got one of of ebay last week. Just wanting to know others' experiences with it (cable, OTA, host channel, TV Guide issues).

Thanks. I've got a QAM tuner on my Hauppauge WIN-TV-1600, but the software is a bit buggy. I was only getting KET4 - now I'm getting all the KET's and one other channel. I'll keep trying!Try GB-PVR (http://www.gbpvr.com). It now supports QAM on the 1600. I'm whurlston on the forums there if you need any help.

I noticed pixilization and freezes and audio drops this afternoon evening during the 5:30 news and later. The signal was good 70 percent or greater.

70% is low. Try to increase it by adding an amp or removing splitters.

WAVE does have an issue with too much compression though. They need to get rid of the Tube and increase the HD bandwidth.

Not sure how they get away with the Tube. Most others have abandoned there sub channels after the FCC said they must have children's programing. The Tube is not that. $$$$$$$$$$$ more important then we views but, they fail there too. We would pay for the Tube not to air.

We would pay for the Tube not to air.Agreed. Just tell me who to make the check out to and how much. :D

Agreed. Just tell me who to make the check out to and how much. :D


That would be Steve Langford the GM of wave. The man who put G in to anchor there news. The company that put the tower in Oldham County. This is WAVE country don't you know?


slangford@wave3tv.com

I just had DISH installed yesterday and now I need to get an HD antenna so I can get my locals in HD. I live in Prospect just off US42 and was wondering if anybody knew what antenna would work best for me? If needed, I can mount it in my attic. Also, can you give me a direction to point it?

Thanks

Greg

I just had DISH installed yesterday and now I need to get an HD antenna so I can get my locals in HD. I live in Prospect just off US42 and was wondering if anybody knew what antenna would work best for me? If needed, I can mount it in my attic. Also, can you give me a direction to point it?

Thanks

Greg


Hi,

All Louisville OTA HD is UHF. Also keep in mind there is no such thing as a HD antenna. That said I would think this model from Radio Shack would work from you location.


40" Boom Length, 17 Elements Outdoor Antenna for UHF-Only


$29.99 Model: U-75R Catalog #: 15-2160

All the antennas are on Floyd's Knob so if you face north they would be about 11 o'clock from Prospect.

Thanks for the info.

I was looking online for other antennas and saw the Channel Master 4228. Do you like the one you mentioned better than it?

Also, I was looking at a map to figure the approx distance to Floyd Knobs and by looking at the map it looks like I would want to go more of between 8 and 9 o'clock from facing North.

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[QUOTE=rinker97;11723757]Thanks for the info.

I was looking online for other antennas and saw the Channel Master 4228. Do you like the one you mentioned better than it?

Also, I was looking at a map to figure the approx distance to Floyd Knobs and by looking at the map it looks like I would want to go more of between 8 and 9 o'clock from facing North.


That antenna should also work fine. As far as the map goes you know better than I where your home vs the knobs is. After installing it should be very easy to have someone watch the signal meter and talk you in.

Good luck!

The 4228 is what I use in Lexington to get Louisville locals. It will get the job done for you for sure, but may be a bit of overkill.

Would the 4220 be better for me?

Is anyone able to see the "Spash Screen" on 498 showing that they are "properly configured to see the new HD Channels" on D*? The program guide I have says that I should be able to see it, but all I have is a blank screen. The D* tech says my signal is good and I should be able to see the new channels when they are available.

So are the Louisville locals planned for this wave of D* HD channel upgrades? I've been pretty shocked that Louisville (a pretty big metro market) hasn't had their HD locals on D* yet.

Check out antennaweb.org to get exact bearings for your antenna orientation and stop by K-mart or Target and spend 10$ to get a compass, if you don't own one to ensure proper orientation.

While all of the HD channels at the present time are on UHF, some are on VHF (Channel 21 is really being broadcast on channel 8 and it has subchannels that are good for kids, religious programming, spanish, etc. on 21-1 to 21-6.) Also, channels 3 and 11 will most likely go back to 3 and 11 when they shut down the analog versions, so get a combination antenna, not simply a UHF one. That one from Radio Dump should work fine for you, and you won't be replacing it if changes are made, so that is what I recommend.

An attic mount MAY work, but why not put it outside? If there is any way possible, go ahead and mount it on a roof, chimney, or eave mount as while signals are not stopped by some materials, if you have any metals in way, they will hinder (read that weaken) the signals. Check out someplace like solidsignal.com or warrenelectronics.com although you may be able to pick up what you need at a local store (I picked up mounting hardware at H&S over on Preston.)

Hope this helps and Good Luck! Am sure you will love HDTV.

-Mike

Mike,
I'd rather not put it outside just because I don't want to see it. That's why I said I wanted to mount it in the attic. Last night I connected my VIP-722 antenna input to coax running thru my house only and was able to pick up 3 and 11 in HD. That makes me think I should be ok in the attic.

I was looking at the Channel Master 4220M (http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?prod=CM4220M) at Solid Signal. It comes with a mount which I thought would just make things easier. What do you think about it? Would I be better off with the 4221 (http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?prod=SCM4221A) or 4228 (http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?prod=ANC4228)? I'm just looking for other options than the Radio Shack one. Also, I thought the Radio Shack one was listed as UHF, not VHF too. How do you know if an antenna will do both or not?

What antenna do your use?

Thanks for all of the input.

Greg

Check out the forums @ dbstalk.com on this topic. Its been beat to death over there already.

480,481, 498, 9300 and 9301 have been used recently in testing for D* HD in the past few days.

Quick answer: Yes, I had it for a short time, but since then, its been a yoyo, and am waiting to see when they are going to launch more before I get too excited.

-Mike

PS: The techs are not informed at all, they GUARANTEED me that I would have all local and more HD weeks ago, lol. They were no better and no worse than Insight's installers, so take it at that. :D
Thanks for the info. I am now getting the new HD channels, so I guess everything was fine.

Out of the ones you mentioned, the 4221 would be my pick. The 4224, 4228 are overkill, the 4220 may not be enough considering you want an attic mount. The only problem I have with them is that they may be just fine today, but if 3 and 11 go from UHF back to VHF (and I would bet one or both will), neither of these UHF only antennas is likely to do a good job for you.

WHAS has elected to stay on Ch11 and WAVE has elected to stay on Ch47 after all the dust settles. If you are lucky (and close enough) the 4221 may have enough VHF-hi mojo to work for ch11. FWIW, until WDKY-DT signed on Ch4, I was using my 4221 to pull in WKYT-DT on Ch13. My first choice would be the 4221 ... you can always add some rabbit ears and a combiner later.

I noticed "The Tube" was gone from WAVE-DT 3.3 last night. Picture looked a lot better.

I noticed "The Tube" was gone from WAVE-DT 3.3 last night. Picture looked a lot better.

Well I just checked and even though there is no picture on that sub channel there is a signal there. At this point I do not think the have given the bandwidth back to 3-1.

Just watched the WAVE local news, stretched video looks really bad.

Did anyone else notice this.

Mike T

Just watched the WAVE local news, stretched video looks really bad.

Did anyone else notice this.

Mike T


Just awful!

Steve

Just awful!

Steve

I sent e-mails to the female news people about how much fatter they looked on the stretched video, I suggest others also do this as this might be the way to get it stopped.

Mike T

I know Jackie personally, even had dinner at her house. She's a very sweet lady! I won't be calling her fat anytime soon.

I know Jackie personally, even had dinner at her house. She's a very sweet lady! I won't be calling her fat anytime soon.

Well, you could tell her that whatever they changed recently certainly dos not flatter her figure.

I absolutely hate the Stretch on Wave and will avoid watching it! I was just installing the HR20 and saw Wave. I was ready to dump the HR20; I had a hard time believing the station would really do that. If I had an email address I would I would pass on the fat comment.

I absolutely hate the Stretch on Wave and will avoid watching it! I was just installing the HR20 and saw Wave. I was ready to dump the HR20; I had a hard time believing the station would really do that. If I had an email address I would I would pass on the fat comment.

http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=87588&nav=menu31_21_1

http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=87588&nav=menu31_21_1

Thanks for the URL. I fired off a friendly but clear and firm e-mail to the general manager and copied all the personalities listed on the page.

Dan

Does wave transmit their digital channels from the tower in LaGrange?

Anyone have experience in the Middletown area? I've got a cheapo uhf/vhf/fm that is attached to the back of my sat dish that gets wave's DT's just over borderline, whas seems to be ok most of the time, with all the upper channels ok. There is a large church across the street to my east that concerns me regarding purchasing a larger multi. I'd like to have the smaller channels to the west and south if possible, but my main concerns are the channels from the knobs and wave. Anyone having to use two directionals to get both 3 and 11 from within Jefferson County?

Also, is wave still having control issues with the DT's? I was watching football last night on 3-1, and immediately after returning from commercials, the image would switch back and forth between 4:3 and 16:9 several times for about 30secs. Today, I noticed a 4:3 show was streched to 16:9.

Thanks!
David

Does wave transmit their digital channels from the tower in LaGrange?


Thanks!
David


No WAVE DT is on the Knobs. They share a new tower with WLKY. They started doing stretch-o-vision this week. They did not stop transmitting the music channel on a sub channel, it went out of business. As well it should have. I do not think they have given the bandwidth back to 3.1 as they should. Please contact them and tell them no sub channels and stop stretching the video on 3.1 when it is not in HD. General Manager is Steve Langford, slangford@wave3tv.com.

Steve

No WAVE DT is on the Knobs. They share a new tower with WLKY. They started doing stretch-o-vision this week. They did not stop transmitting the music channel on a sub channel, it went out of business. As well it should have. I do not think they have given the bandwidth back to 3.1 as they should. Please contact them and tell them no sub channels and stop stretching the video on 3.1 when it is not in HD. General Manager is Steve Langford, slangford@wave3tv.com.

Steve

I noticed the evening news programs were 4:3 again, and I received a nice "Way to go!" from Dawne Gee for my e-mail to GM Langford and all the WAVE personalities. Hope it sticks.

Dan

I noticed the evening news programs were 4:3 again, and I received a nice "Way to go!" from Dawne Gee for my e-mail to GM Langford and all the WAVE personalities. Hope it sticks.

Dan


I sure hope so!

Well WAVE now has a slide up on the subchannel saying it was beyond there control that the tube is no longer available.

The three people who watched the tube now know.

Turn off the sub channel and give the bandwidth back to 3.1.


We want the best HD possible and sub channels are a no no. Join me in letting WAVE TV know we are watching and we want no sub channels and great HD.

Email Steve Langford GM of WAVE TV

slangford@wave3tv.com

Well WAVE now has a slide up on the subchannel saying it was beyond there control that the tube is no longer available.

The three people who watched the tube now know.

Turn off the sub channel and give the bandwidth back to 3.1.


We want the best HD possible and sub channels are a no no. Join me in letting WAVE TV know we are watching and we want no sub channels and great HD.

Email Steve Langford GM of WAVE TV

slangford@wave3tv.com


That subject was also in my e-mail to Mr. Langford and the rest of the WAVE-3 staff, so he's aware somebody doesn't like it already.

Dan

Apparently Insight is going to add new HD channels. I sent an email complaining that TBS HD is not available and it would be nice to have NFL network, BIG 10 HD, and Versus HD. I got the following response:

Thank you for your programming inquiry. We are currently planning to add
additional HD Channels in the near future. At this time , we are
currently conducting a customer poll on our website
http://72.32.180.231/fs.aspx?surveyid=d6ff3bd4f4946fea958808b59c6d8f1 to
see which HD channels our customer would like to see added to the
lineup. Please give us your feedback


The survey says it has been closed since 10/3 (today) and that's when i got the email.

I got exactly the same response last week some time. I voted.

Since I did not get to vote if you remember can you list the options?

At this time , we are
currently conducting a customer poll on our website
It would have been nice of them to inform their customers about a customer poll.

I agree with Mike, don't hold your breath.

I live in LaGrange. For the last several weeks I have had a lot of problems with WAVE-DT via my antenna, especially in the evening :(. By the time Leno comes on I can't get a picture at all. I have not had any problems with WLKY-DT so I don't think it is an obstruction problem as they share the same tower. Is WAVE-DT cutting power at night? Or is it going off the air all together?

I had my D* system upgraded this week to get the new HDs. The field supervisor for Bluegrass Satellite (D* contractor for my area) told me that D* will have Louisville locals by the end of October.:)

Is WAVE-DT cutting power at night? Or is it going off the air all together?

Nope still on the air. Given your symptoms, I would guess that some other (distant) station on Ch47 may be skipping in and causing interference.

This is my first time on this forum so bear with me if I make mistakes. I get my TV & HDTV service from one of the area satellite companies( I don't know if 'D*' is my company or if it's the other one and I don't know if you're allowed to state which one you have on this forum). Although the company I have does provide the local stations, it does not provide them in HD. Therefore I need an OTA outside antenna. I'm looking for a 'GOOD' HDTV antenna but, as you know, every company thinks theirs is the best. Can someone recommend one and what features should this antenna have? I am approximately 17 miles east of Floyd Knobbs. I've seen some antennas that you can mount in your attic. Are any of these any good? I would prefer not to mount one on my roof but, I will, if that's going to get me a good solid HDTV signal. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

At 17 miles away, pretty much anything you get will work.

Did the power go out at the Knobs? I just lost 11, 32, 1nd 41 at the same time. So far 41 is still out.

Did the power go out at the Knobs? I just lost 11, 32, 1nd 41 at the same time. So far 41 is still out.

Was wondering the same thing.. I get both Lexington and Louisville stations and usually point at L'ville, I don't want to have to change all my timers if they will be back by EOD...

Did the power go out at the Knobs? I just lost 11, 32, 1nd 41 at the same time. So far 41 is still out.

There are back up. 41-1 was the last one to come back up.

What a great time to lose the HD signal ... in the middle of Sunday afternoon NFL.

I'd go to Radio Shack or Circuit City and try an indoor antenna first. If it does not work you can take it back for a refund.

I'd go to Radio Shack or Circuit City and try an indoor antenna first. If it does not work you can take it back for a refund.
vladd & chuckmccky,

Thanks for the reply. I'll check Radio Shack or Circuit City tommorrow.

Thanks,
atar44

There are back up. 41-1 was the last one to come back up.

What a great time to lose the HD signal ... in the middle of Sunday afternoon NFL.

I still have nothing coming from PBS channel 15, prior to yesterday I had no problem picking up that signal.

That subject was also in my e-mail to Mr. Langford and the rest of the WAVE-3 staff, so he's aware somebody doesn't like it already.

Dan


I also emailed Langford a couple of weeks ago regarding displeasure with the subchannel because NBC Sunday Night football looked terrible. Never did get a response back.

I also emailed Langford a couple of weeks ago regarding displeasure with the subchannel because NBC Sunday Night football looked terrible. Never did get a response back.

As much as the WAVE-3 GM likes to make himself heard on his "Hot Button" tirades on Wednesday news broadcasts he doesn't seem to care much for actually responding to customer concerns.

But I will give Dawne gee kudos for responding to my e-mail, and I only CC'd her on the message.

I guess what really matters is that the picture is back to normal. I would rather have that than a personal reply any day.

Dan

Don't watch WAVE much (My Name is Earl is about the only one now), but seems like they are erratic here, some nights fine, others, not so fine. I have just written it off to their going after the sub-channels and ignoring the HD one, but could be wrong. The same thing is true if I use the ATSC tuner on my TV set or the one on my HR-20, so its not something that I think I can do a lot about. I guess whenever we get the locals from D*, this may be "cured."

I'm betting that is the same guy at BlueGrass that assured me that they would all be on D* absolutely no later than Sept 15th! :D Honestly, I think they are full of BS and have NO IDEA whatsoever. I do know that they have at least one tech who is totally incompetent and one that comes in to clean up the messes he makes. :)

-Mike

I had several D* installers/supervisors out to correct an HR20/dish alignment problem(s) almost a year and a half ago. They told me then that HD Lils would be turned on at the end of that month. They have no idea what is going on.

Secondly, Bluegrass Satellite is downright awful when it comes to doing the right thing with their installs. It took four days off of work waiting for these people to show up to do their job correctly, numerous calls to D* and finally a conference call from a VERY high-placed D* employee to finally get their act together. When the regional supervisor came to my house that day he left me his number and told me to just call him if I had any more trouble. Since then, my service has been flawless.

Why is it that standard definition channels looks worse on my LCD HD set than they did on my older cathode ray tube? I have digital service with Insight with the DVR hooked up through HDMI.

LCD's don't look their best when not at their native resolution. TV's or monitors, it's all the same. It's because they have a fixed pixel size, and that size is large compared to CRT.

Thanks for the information. I can't wait for everyone to get on board with HD programming.

WAVE TV is now back to broadcasting weather on a sub channel and a static slide for the music channel that went bankrupt. Wave is the only major local to have sub channels and it shows in the quality of the HD on WAVE.

Please join me in writing to the WAVE general manager Steve Langford and telling he we want the best HD we can get and by adding sub channels we are not getting it from WAVE.

slangford@wave3tv.com

Does anyone know when tonight's episodes of ER and CSI will be aired?

Edit: I got the info for Wave3
PROGRAMMING NOTE: Rescheduling of Thursday night's programs

Oct 18, 2007 11:09 PM EDT

Due to WAVE 3's coverage of severe weather, the Thursday night NBC prime time program schedule October 18th was pre-empted. Those programs -- My Name is Earl, 30 Rock, The Office and ER -- will be shown this weekend (October 20-21) on WAVE 3. Here are the dates and times for those shows.

"30 Rock" can be seen Saturday, October 20th @ 4:30 PM

"ER" can be seen Saturday, October 20th @ 7PM

"My Name is Earl" can be seen Sunday, October 21st @ 2:05 AM

"The Office" can be seen Sunday, October 21th @ Noon

Where can I find a good promotion for D*? Insight keeps raising my bill and I'm getting tired of it. I wish I had another good option for phone and internet, but I refuse to ever give BellSouth my business again.

Found the WLKY 32 reschedule:
LOUISVILLE, Ky. -- The missed episodes of CSI and Viva Laughlin, which were postponed Thursday night due to weather coverage, will air Sunday, Oct. 21 on WLKY, NewsChannel 32.

CSI will air from 1 to 2 p.m. and Viva Laughlin will air from 2 to 3 p.m.


Thank you for watching NewsChannel 32.

I live in LaGrange. For the last several weeks I have had a lot of problems with WAVE-DT via my antenna, especially in the evening :(. By the time Leno comes on I can't get a picture at all. I have not had any problems with WLKY-DT so I don't think it is an obstruction problem as they share the same tower. Is WAVE-DT cutting power at night? Or is it going off the air all together?

I had my D* system upgraded this week to get the new HDs. The field supervisor for Bluegrass Satellite (D* contractor for my area) told me that D* will have Louisville locals by the end of October.:)

You are in same boat I am, but at the opposite end of the dB meter. I can't get 3 or 11 through most of the day with my old DSS OTA omni (rather like weather-proof rabbit ears mounted to the backside of my DVB dish), but as the evening thermals set in, the signals gets strong enough to receive without dropout.

In your case, I suspect you are getting multi-path intereference due to having an already overly-strong signal. If you have an HDTV, check to see if your signal is maxed out for WAVE-DT during the day. If it is, you will most likely clear up this problem with a cheap, variable attenuator.

Mike0606 made mention of subchannels being the problem... the subchannels are not different frequencies, but rather different packets of data in a single transmitted data stream, so they have no effect on signal strength.

Why is it that standard definition channels looks worse on my LCD HD set than they did on my older cathode ray tube? I have digital service with Insight with the DVR hooked up through HDMI.

There are many factors that cause the highly compressed SD content from E*, D* and Insight to not be noticeable on the 480i TV's. The largest factor can be simulated in any (HD) TV's settings. 480i CRT's induce a good bit of blurring during the conversion and filtering processes that take place before the image is displayed. Lower the sharpness setting enough on any (HD)TV and the artifacts will blend away.

Those of you interested in a local home theater meet, check out the "new" thread over here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=12024590#post12024590)

Anyone getting audio on 32-1?

I have audio.

Yeah, I started getting audio for the second half. Don' know what was up earlier.

Any updates on local HD stations through D*?

Looks as though Insight will finally add new channels. I got a postcard saying they are moving ESPN to chan 31 and Fox News to 44 in addition to some new HD channels namely, NFL network and TBS. Heres to hoping Versus and Big Ten Network are also there.

Got the scoop today from Insight. Here's some of the channels they said to expect by January as a result of this upgrade:

Digital:
Big Ten Network
"Sci"? (Thought this was related to Sci-Fi...)

HD (check this out):
Discovery HD (different from HD Theater... see their website)
HGTV
National Geographic
TLC
WMYO
NFL Network
TBS

NFL will launch this month they said. The rest are all by January.

Sweet!

Well at least we will see the Turkey day game in HD on NFL network. Discovery will be ok but i believe they stretch things when should be in 4x3. (Same thing with GEO same company). Did you hear anything about Big Ten Network HD? Southwest Indiana has this as well as Columbus so Insight has access to it.

Hi there,
I'm new to this OTA hd stuff, was helping for some help. I live in Shelbyville, & I have an HR-20 with a Radioshack antenna (the big one?!) in my attic. I only seem to be able to get WAVE 3 & WLKY 32 to come in. I understand they use the same tower, so I guess that's why I get both of them. I would like to get WHAS 11 & FOX 41 as well, but I haven't been able to pull them in. Do I need an amp or something? I think the towers are in the same area so I think the antenna is pointed in the right direction. Anyway thank for all the info already hear & any further help.

Got the scoop today from Insight. Here's some of the channels they said to expect by January as a result of this upgrade:

Digital:
Big Ten Network
"Sci"? (Thought this was related to Sci-Fi...)

HD (check this out):
Discovery HD (different from HD Theater... see their website)
HGTV
National Geographic
TLC
WMYO
NFL Network
TBS

NFL will launch this month they said. The rest are all by January.

Sweet!

That is a complete joke of a lineup. The rep hinted that they were adding the USA, Food, and Spike in the next update.:mad:

Got the scoop today from Insight. Here's some of the channels they said to expect by January as a result of this upgrade:

Digital:
Big Ten Network
"Sci"? (Thought this was related to Sci-Fi...)

HD (check this out):
Discovery HD (different from HD Theater... see their website)
HGTV
National Geographic
TLC
WMYO
NFL Network
TBS

NFL will launch this month they said. The rest are all by January.

Sweet!

I would rather have SciFi network instead of TBS. What do they have in HD that people want to see?

I just saw a post on another site claiming these channels to be part of the new HD Line up:

NFL Network
TBS
Animal Planet
Discovery Channel
TLC
National Geographic

So as always, I am sure that we will not know until they are broadcasting them... supposed to be by the end of th month, but we all know how that goes.

With Insight Cable, when I do an analog/digital channel search on my TV (JVC48P775) in the living room, I get all the local channels (and digital music channels) in HD as an over the air channel w/ just the coax cable. My son has a 15" Haier in his room and only picks up 15.1, 41.1, and 34.1 sometimes (plus the digial music channels), but my TV in the bedroom (Sharp Aquos LC32D43U) I can not get any of the local HD channels, only the Digital music channels..... why would this vary so much between tv's? What can I do to recieve all the channels other than adding an attenna?

Insight has not had the digital music channels for some time now in clear QAM. Are you sure you are still getting them?

As for the variance, it could be a signal issue.

Yes, I get them on all TV's on channels 116.19 thru 116.40.


What device could i use to test my signal at each point?

Yes, I get them on all TV's on channels 116.19 thru 116.40.


What device could i use to test my signal at each point?Interesting. I have audio only channels on 116.21 - 116.40 (nothing on 116.19 or 20). There are no video streams on those programs for me so my TV doesn't tune them.

I'm double checking what channels the locals are coming in on. BRB.

Interesting. I have audio only channels on 116.21 - 116.40 (nothing on 116.19 or 20). There are no video streams on those programs for me so my TV doesn't tune them.

Sorry for the miscommunication.... I get audio only also.

It is just strange that the TV's all do not pick up the same digital channels, when the are all split from the same point. My Sharp is unable to pick up any of the the channels no matter where I connect it.

I would take the 15" tv to the living room and connect it to that cable to see if it picks up any more stations. That would probably be the simplest thing to try.

What's wierd is that you ae picking up 15.1 which is on the same channel as 11.1, 15.2, 15.3 and 15.4 so they should all work too. The signal strength would be the same for all of them since they are on the same physical channel.

I will try that. I just don't want to spend the extra $15 per month w/ insight just to get some HD channels on my Sharp. *I have one DVR, don't need two...

Sorry for the miscommunication.... I get audio only also. Ah ok.

It is just strange that the TV's all do not pick up the same digital channels, when the are all split from the same point. My Sharp is unable to pick up any of the the channels no matter where I connect it.Hmm. I wonder if it's an issue of the tuner in the sharp not being as good. Sending you a PM.