gnj1958,
Me too brother, me too!


I am also grateful to our KET guys for the inside scoop and willingness to check in with us. I must add that I am very disappointed that there is no HD on KET at this time. I guess my expectations got ahead of the process due to the way KET got on track so far ahead of the other PBS stations across the country. I'm still looking forward to some of those outstanding shows with great PQ like I got to see last year on WKET before things changed.

PBS is only feeding 1 HD show a month on average....

See Woo's comments about budgets, See Mike's remarks about programming costs, and all I will say is equipment delays as some stuff wasn't ready..

I wasn't willing to risk our entire system (both analog and digital)until the bugs were at least tolerable...

I just checked Titan, under the coming soon tab. The end of January / first of February 2003 dates are now listed as "under review".

I checked the FCC site under the application status and found that on 1/21/03, WLKY was granted an extension until 7/21/03. WAVE is still under the previous extension until 2/28/03, however, based on the titan listing, they have probally applied for an extension beyond that date.

Don't get your hopes up for CBS or NBC HD soon. I have heard directly from both, especially WLKY, of a "live date" that has never happened.

I hope I'm wrong but I have seen several times, in the past, that the FCC application list is more accurate that the word of these two stations.

Cross your fingers,
Larry

Rumor has it that they had a pressure leak in the antenna system....since antennas are a large lead time item they may have filed for an extension to cover just in case.
You should be able to call up the extension application from the FCC's site..

William

Anyone else notice WHAS is not broadcasting What Lies Beneath in HD? Someone on the programming forum says it is on OAR and 5.1. I am getting side bars. :mad:

For whats its worth
At the UofL vs. IU Game
CBS Had two "Expando" trucks
At least six HD cameras covering the game

It is my understanding that most of
the game was pre-empted with Space shuttle coverage


btw
Great game
(worked my hiney off)
woo

anyone catching the UL / IU game delayed? kinda wild to watch a game without any commentary. crowd noise, replays, the whole bit except Billy Packer. I like it. Fred Cowgil (sp) said WLKY requested the game from CBS, and they sent the broadcast "earlier in the evening to WLKY" (I'm assuming they "sent it" by satellite?)

Yeah buddy I watched the Cards dismantle the Hoosiers in last nights tape delayed broadcast! Great game.

Woo are you saying they used HD cameras to shoot the game? The Courier article said something about the TV guys were "experimenting" I noticed that the whites in the broadcast were extremely hot. I had to turn down my brightness to very low levels to avoid a washout. Could this be from using HD cameras. It did seem that PQ for analog was pretty good once I got the brightness down. Would it affect my analog PQ if they were using HD cameras? It also seemed that the camera angles were broader than usual and many times I was getting more of a full court look. Any thoughts Woo?

PS: Go CARDS

The high cameras, and the under-basket handhelds were HD
The "backboard Mounted" cams were SD

It dosent take two trucks to do a SD broadcast.
It looked like there high cams were set to 4x3
I would say they were getting ready for something?

Too bad WLKY-DT is not on the air
They could have done both programs
Multicast............
Drag feet=lost ad dollars?

When ESPN or WDRB do the game I see alot of local folks on the crew.
CBS had none....
All out of town folks
(And they were rude)

Woo,

THanks for the update. I catch your drift about the CBS crew. No mention today on CBS of this BIG GAME. They show clips from other games yesterday but not any from THEIR OWN D**N BROADCAST, WTF! There now I feel better. At one point when WLKY was moving ahead I was hoping this game might be in HD like the UK-IU game. Perhaps CBS was toying with that idea and opted not to. Oh well there is always next year. WLKY better be on by then!!

DIGITAL RECEPTION REPORT
Sunday, February 2 8:33 PM
Location: Hillview, KY, using a Toshiba DST-3000 High Definition Digital Receiver
Ant. Elevation: 566 ft above sea level, approx. 18 miles SE (136 deg.) of Floyds Knobs
Channel / Peak Signal Strength (0-100) / Station
8 / 6 / WBNA 21-1 (WORD Louisville)
9 / 0 / WISH (Indianapolis, IN)
17 / 100 / WKPC-TV 15-1 - 15-4 (KET Louisville)
26 / 0 / WLKY-TV 32-1 (CBS Louisville)
38 / 0 / WKMJ-TV 68-1 (KET Louisville)
43 / 37 / WKZT-DT 23-1 (KET Elizabethtown)
46 / 0 / WFIE (Evansville, IN)
47 / 0 / WAVE 3-1 (NBC Louisville)
49 / 93 / WDRB 41-1 (FOX Louisville)
55 / 100 / WHAS-TV 11-1 (ABC Louisville)
Quality: 0 – 39: very poor picture, if any; 40 – 49: weak picture, with break ups;
50 – 69: acceptable, break ups rare; 70 +: solid picture – no reception problems;

I noticed WHAS not broadcasting What Lies Beneath in 16:9. I did notice at the beginning of the broacast, though, the message saying the film had been modified from its original version and edited for content. Maybe the side bars were suppose to be there. Disappointing.

I saw the UL/IU game in HD. I was there. Great game, great atmosphere (except this IU fan sitting behind me and my wife - cheered the ENTIRE game - NONSTOP; no mute button for her) :)

Originally posted by William Smith
PBS is only feeding 1 HD show a month on average....

This has been confusing me lately.. According to a couple of links that I found browsing the board (like this one: http://www.hdpictures.com/_guideeast.htm ) PBS is showing HD on a daily basis. Is this incorrect information?

I'm almost hoping it is, because if not, it really is shame that we have the technology/hardware to pass it through, but not the system to make it happen.

WAVE is back up this morning with 3.1 3.2 3.3. Video on all three but, no audio. Maybe soon!

Over the weekend, I put together a web site that might help others in the area get up to speed on HD and local availability. I still need to work on content. If you have any ideas or suggestions, let me know. thanks, Steve

http://louisvillehdtv.com/

I see WLKY 26 is up. I can't get anything on Wave 47

Yes WAVE went down and WLKY went up. Have both audio and video on LKY. Top of picture shows vertical interval information, etc. but, very nice to see them up. Also noticed today that both show up as HD and DD on my HD200.

I think with Insight advertising HDTV now that the stations will be on air pretty quickly. Hopefully

WLKY on air at 11-11:30 showing Price is Right, 4x3 video and audio, sig strength better than WHAS (73+ on my Hughes E86). Came up as channel 26-1, so I take it the PSID is not correct yet. But it's looking good!

Cambus, nice sight. Nice collection of information. Maybe you'll even have good news to share soon!

Cambus,

Did you do this yourself? Good job. Easy to read layout. FYI there is a typo under WLKY digital (dital). You may want to add 1080i to the local format for WAVE & WLKY since they are testing in this format and have publically stated this is their format. Just a thought. Also I really enjoyed your slam of FOX 41. The truth hurts. Those losers don't even meet their inferior network standards. They get the dreaded double thumbs down lol.

PCS, thanks for the error corrections.

I'm hoping the site increases public awareness. I've been shopping for a 16x9 HD TV the past few week, and I've been amazed at the incorrect info I've been given, especially about our local market. The salesperson at hhGregg told me I didn't need to buy a HD tuner because "there is no local HD programming". huh? I will say Ovation provided accurate info and told me about Insight HD.

Steve Hardin
http://louisvillehdtv.com

The Ovation folks are top notch generally. I especially think Brian Creech at the Clarksville store is knowledgeable. He has never misinformed me and he is often ahead of the curve with information. He will "deal" with you if you are in the market for an HDTV so talk to him if you want a guy who really does know his s**t about HDTV! Primarily because he's had one since 1999.

Unfortunately the hhgregg sales staff is uneven. Some are knowledgeable at least to some degree and others are complete morons who misinform constantly. I guess they must have too much turnover and they seem to get young bucks who are there today and gone tomorrow. Not enough time to learn what they need to know ?!

I gave the Best Buys guys an education the other day about local Insight and the Super Bowl I enjoyed. Boy did their eyes light up when they found out that was available. They had no clue. They told me an Insight engineer had visited them the week before Christmas and said Insight didn't have the technical ability to do HDTV and it would be at least 2 years before they would consider it. That is what they were telling people during Cmas. They were not aware Insight had even launched. At least they do now!

"That is what they were telling people during Cmas. "

BOY, did THAT ever hurt sales. Too bad these clueless kids didn't have the info for the best TV selling season around - Xmas to the SuperBowl. Everyone who was watching the SB in HD at my place was saying stuff like "We have to get a new TV" :D

Dittos on the Ovation folks - they have their act together, and know what they are selling. It's nice to be able to walk in and see HDNet (and now Insight HD) actually being displayed on the HD sets. Unlike the clueless chains where some DVD demo loop is running on all the TVs - and then the the reps try and tell you it is HD. Whatever!

Just checked - WAVE is on air - 100 sig strength for me (Yay!) Channels 3-1, 3-2, and 3-3.

3-1 is 4x3 of the 'regular' channel broadcast
3-2 is stretched 'regular' broadcast
3-3 is a picture of Lousiville

Audio is on 3-1 and 3-2

Anyone notice that so far WAVE and WLKY haven't seemed to ever be on air at the same time? Wonder why?

As I learned on Cambus' site, they seem to share the same antenna. Perhaps they only want to test one station at a time on the antenna? Dunno...

I wish they would test at night....so I could see:(

WAVE on again this am. Same results as yesterday. They seem to be 'ready to go' I wish they'd just flip the switch and start x-mitting full time!

Since WAVE/WLKY is a combined system, it takes longer to tweek than a single stick system.

They are probably tweeking for maximum isolation from each other and best performance on both.

William

Does anyone have any idea how long it will take for WAVE and WLKY to get up and running on Insight?

According to the NAB WAVE AND WLKY are now on the air in DTV. Did I miss something? Here's the press release.

http://www.nab.org/newsroom/pressrel/releases/0703.htm

Can anyone help me out here? What gives? At least this may suggest that they will be OTA sooner than later.

ummmm, somebody jumped the gun

pretty incredible that 70% of the US population has 5 or more DTV stations available

Hey -- anyone know if the Louisville v. Marquette game scheduled for 2/15 on ABC will be in HD?

Sure would be nice! :)

ummm my guess is no!! would be nice though

I don't think ABC has any plans for HD basketball this season. CBS will show some of the NCAA tournament in HD. So I'm hoping we can see either KY or LOU in HD. (or how about both in the finals?) But of course that happens only if WLKY is up. Anyone have a update on WAVE/WLKY?

Should be this month. I've seen both testing for a few weeks now. Not sure what's stopping them from 'throwing the switch' as it were, but both have transmitted clear DTV signals. I have NOT seen any HD from them during testing. but that's not unexpected since they test during the day (no HD content to broadcast at that time).

Ductape,

I understand your point about WAVE/WLKY testing in SDTV due to no daytime HDTV content. I recall WHAS tested only in HD using an ABC HDTV demo loop. Are you saying the testing is only reproducing OTA that is simulcast on analog? If so, that is very different than WHAS. I haven't been home to catch any of the testing so I'm curious.

Also, I concur totally that it would (will) be great to see UofL and UK in the NCAA this year in HD! I can hardly wait and I sure hope Insight has the deal worked out!

BTW, has anyone heard when Insight will be dropping the need for the 2nd digital box and go to the DCT 5100 STB as the solo STB?

PCS, so far all I have seen is rebroadcast of whatever is on the analog station at the time. So far no HD demo loops, although I would have to assume that they are available to the engineers as they work. So maybe they are still working on transmission issues, and have yet to even test the HD equipment yet. BTW, I've 'heard' the the dingle box would come this summer. But as usual, basically you can say 'it'll get here when it get's here'. I'm tired of holding my breath waiting for stuff to happen.

SD Widescreen feed on KET4 Sunday Night 8:00

DIGITAL RECEPTION REPORT
Saturday, February 8 8:26 AM
Location: Hillview, KY, using a Toshiba DST-3000 High Definition Digital Receiver
Ant. Elevation: 566 ft above sea level, approx. 18 miles SE (136 deg.) of Floyds Knobs
Channel / Peak Signal Strength (0-100) / Station
8 / 0 / WBNA 21-1 (WORD Louisville)
9 / 0 / WISH (Indianapolis, IN)
17 / 51 / WKPC-TV 15-1 - 15-4 (KET Louisville)
26 / 0 / WLKY-TV 32-1 (CBS Louisville)
38 / 0 / WKMJ-TV 68-1 (KET Louisville)
43 / 37 / WKZT-DT 23-1 (KET Elizabethtown)
46 / 0 / WFIE (Evansville, IN)
47 / 0 / WAVE 3-1 (NBC Louisville)
49 / 72 / WDRB 41-1 (FOX Louisville)
51 / 0 / WFTE 58-1 (Independence Television Salem, IN)
55 / 100 / WHAS-TV 11-1 (ABC Louisville)
Quality: 0 – 39: very poor picture, if any; 40 – 49: weak picture, with break ups;
50 – 69: acceptable, break ups rare; 70 +: solid picture – no reception problems;

Originally posted by PCS
BTW, has anyone heard when Insight will be dropping the need for the 2nd digital box and go to the DCT 5100 STB as the solo STB?

I signed up for Insight HD the last week of January and they told me it would be the end of April or the first part of May.

Scott

Thanks for the info. I understand you to be saying that Insight tells you that the 2nd box goes away in April. Are you also saying you have to wait until then to get HD on Insight or do you now have Insight HD? I hope their waiting list is not that far out.

I called to add Insight's HDTV the last week of January. They came out this week to install 2/5 but didn't have any more boxes. The guy didn't even know what he was installing when he showed up. So I'm rescheduled now for Tuesday 2/11 and they are supposed to have boxes then. On a side note I called asking for an installation credit since no one bothered to tell me they couldn't install my box until the guy actually showed up. Customer service tried to play it off because the guy was on time. Yes but he was on time to do nothing. They finally relented.

Same exact thing happened to me. 1st rep was reluctant, but we got cut off. Second rep was great, and very quickly applied the credit.

BTW: My installer had no idea what he was doing...

My Insight installation was similar. I had a first appointment, where he completely forgot about coming, so we resheduled later that week, and he called and delayed again because he didn't have any boxes, came later that week and said he couldn't install it because they ran out of cables (component), but I said that I had my own and he went ahead and installed it. He said they weren't out of boxes the day earlier, just the cables, and didn't think I would have my own.

Anyway, he seemed to know what he was doing, even though I was his first HD install, he knew how to setup the box to get to 1080i and everything, and was pretty impressed by the picture. He wasn't sure about the sound, but I took care of that. ^_^

The installer guy gave me the installation for free. It was a hassle, but it was very much worth it.

Does the Insight HD Motorola box have DVI output? thanks

Steve Hardin
http://louisvillehdtv.com

Cambus,

According to the owners manual the DCT5100 does not have the dreaded DVI jack. It does have an optional IEEE 1394 port listed in the manual but it is not installed on my Insight supplied DCT5100 STB. What is your interest in DVI? I hope it fails just like DIVX failed as a format for DVD.

If the MPAA (Hollywood) gets their way, copy protection (HDCP) over DVI will soon be implemented so people can not record the HD stream. Some think this will happen soon. If the MPAA is indeed successful, the Insight Motorola boxes will need to be replaced or modified for DVI output. And Hi-Def Televisions without DVI input will no longer show movies (Showtime/HBO/PPV/etc.) in HD. To complicate matters, CBS has said it will stop *all* HD programming this fall unless another form of copy-protection ("the broadcast flag") is implemented.

Most consumers and retailers are in the dark. One rep from hhGregg told me "DVI input" has no purpose. Panasonic the leader in Plasmas is currently selling $5-9000 plasmas without DVI input with no upgrade path. (albeit Panasonic has announced all Plasmas will have DVI starting this summer)

Cambus,

Don't buy into the Hollywood hype. Right now there is no purpose for DVI because no one is utilizing it's capabilities. If most of the hardware people refuse to use it then I don't think the broadcasters will use it (cf.DIVX). It will die a slow death. Mitsubishi has said their sets will never have it! Way to go Bob Perry of Mits to stand up to MPAA etc. Also, since I don't own the Insight box then I don't care if it has DVI since if that does become the HDTV standard Insight will have to get an STB that does have DVI and it won't cost me a thing. There are other less draconian copy protection methods that seem to be getting consideration (IEEE1394) and I hope those are successful if copy protection is necessary. Personally I don't want to see it but I realize the broadcasters will not let someone grab their beloved signal and transmit it via Internet.

Is there a risk involved in my position on this? You bet. I have been on the wrong side of an issue before and I may be on this one. However, I don't plan to be run over by the MPAA and I can only use my wallet to vote. Therefore unless I have to do it (ie. it becomes industry standard, all sides are agreed to it from CE Corps. to Hollywood and no other way to get HDTV) I don't see this happening for a few years at least. Therefore, I will not purchase any HDTV product with DVI!

I respect your point of view if you see it differently. Thanks for giving me a chance to get on a soapbox. :D

Originally posted by PCS
Scott

Thanks for the info. I understand you to be saying that Insight tells you that the 2nd box goes away in April. Are you also saying you have to wait until then to get HD on Insight or do you now have Insight HD? I hope their waiting list is not that far out.

1. The second box goes away in April.
2. I get HBOhd and some ABChd broadcasts and a few KET digital broadcasts.
3. I called on a Monday and was hooked up on Wednesday or Thursday. I was shocked they came out that fast.

My installer didn't know much about HD either. Knew nothing of how to switch the 5100 box to 1080i. In fact, he said it couldn't be done. :rolleyes: To his credit, though, he did have a tech from Insight call me, but by the time he called, I had figured it out on my own.

HBO looks really good in HD. The picture is cropped on 2.35:1 films to 1.78:1 which is very disappointing. ABC doesn't seem to look quite as good as HBO. Anyone have any ideas why? Anyone else have that same experience? It still looks good, just not quite as vibrant.

PCS, nice to hear your point of view. I hope this whole issue with MPAA would go away, but the MPAA has been "Napsterized" and gaining industry & legislative support. Because of industry consolidation, broadcasters and Hollywood are in the same bed with the leverage to implement this crap. I don't think these guys are bluffing. The music industry has lost revenue because of file trading, so implementing HDCP is the saving grace for MPAA. (until HDCP is cracked, which already has already happened--see link)
http://www.macfergus.com/niels/dmca/cia.html

You're right on the timing, we could be years away, especially with class action lawsuits.

Has anyone in the Louisville area received the dct 5100 firmware upgrade through insight that adds the 4:3 overide option in the menu, or does everyone in Louisville still have to manually switch between 1080i and 480i when viewing non hd material to remove the annoying and damaging black bars.

As far as I know, you have to manually switch between 1080i and 480i. If I am going to watch something that is non-HD, I just use the General Instruments box and only watch 16:9 material on the 5100.

DIGITAL RECEPTION REPORT
Monday, February 10 12:15 PM
Location: Hillview, KY, using a Toshiba DST-3000 High Definition Digital Receiver
Ant. Elevation: 566 ft above sea level, approx. 18 miles SE (136 deg.) of Floyds Knobs
Channel / Peak Signal Strength (0-100) / Station
8 / 12 / WBNA 21-1 (WORD Louisville)
9 / 0 / WISH (Indianapolis, IN)
17 / 100 / WKPC-TV 15-1 - 15-4 (KET Louisville)
26 / 0 / WLKY-TV 32-1 (CBS Louisville)
38 / 0 / WKMJ-TV 68-1 (KET Louisville)
43 / 24 / WKZT-DT 23-1 (KET Elizabethtown)
46 / 0 / WFIE (Evansville, IN)
47 / 100 / WAVE 3-1 (NBC Louisville)
49 / 100 / WDRB 41-1 (FOX Louisville)
51 / 0 / WFTE 58-1 (Independence Television Salem, IN)
55 / 100 / WHAS-TV 11-1 (ABC Louisville)
Quality: 0 – 39: very poor picture, if any; 40 – 49: weak picture, with break ups;
50 – 69: acceptable, break ups rare; 70 +: solid picture – no reception problems;

News: I called DirecTV last night – local channels will be available in May.

Offical web site for KET HD/WS programming information:

http://www.ket.org/dtv/programs.htm

William

said they hope to be showing some prime-time shows on air next week! i was hoping for this week!:(

William, will Nova be HD tomorrow night? It's listed on the schedule as HD on KET4, but not on the page you linked. Thanks, Steve

Scott,

The reason the ABC HDTV looks worse than HBO-HD is that ABC broadcasts in 720p instead of 1080i. While 720p make actually be better, because of compability issues the 720p is converted to 1080i before it hits your screen, and the conversion can cause a loss in clarity. I am not sure if Insight is doing the conversion before they broadcast the stream or if your box does it, but that is the issue the way I understand it.

Anybody else have any more information???

Chris

WHAS is actually converting the signal to 1080i.

I've recorded some Hi-Def clips from WHAS. Watched them on a friends Sony HS-10 projector (120") and my jaw hit the floor. Just incredible. Razer sharp, and this was at 720p (converted from WHAS 1080i!) Sounds like a mess (ABC 720P -> WHAS 1080i -> Sony HS10 720p), but it was smooth as silk. On a $2300 projector!!!

more info in this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=224541

I watched Black Rain on HBO-HD last night and it was formatted to 2.35:1 (ie OAR). I hope HBO continues this trend!

In the HDTV Programming forum, PVR mentioned "And it is OAR because it is an old transfer done before their current "fullscreen" policy started."

I was going to say it too, but he got to it before me. ~_^

Yeah I watched Black Rain too it looked a whole lot better than the non-anamorphic DVD.

As I understand it the Nova feed is not HD, based on the information our programming folks have,, So no it will not be on KET4 tonight..

William

Our site is the best reference we can give..

Didn't someone say middle of this week for WAVE & WLKY? Where are they? I was told Jan 15th. Now its Feb 15th. Are they testing in HDTV yet? I'm bummed out after the UofL loss and need something else to think.

Who knows PCS? WAVE was on yesterday but I would guess at a very low power. Up until yesterday I got solid 100's on their signal, but yesterday they were barely blipping at 3-6. My guess is they were testing at a low power. I'm hoping that when they go live they do so at the previously tested power, cause if they go live at yesterday's power they will rival WDRB Fox for lousyest sig strength around.

I haven't seen WLKY test in quite awhile now. Couple weeks ago they were on every day, now they don't ever seem to be on. Course, I only check every once in awhile, so they could very well be testing when I'm not checking.

I'm just crossing my fingers WLKY is up before NFL season in September. At this rate though, that might be a stretch. Anyone have an update? Heard rumors of antenna problems, can anyone confirm?

It would be strange that WAVE could transmit and WLKY could not since they are sharing a tower. But who knows, maybe WLKY's troubles (if they are having them) are not at the antenna, but in the equipment feeding it.

Maybe broadcasting two stations from the same antenna is a bit more complicated than originally thought

Not much news on the local HDTV front these days after so much hope for NBC & CBS :( I"m keeping my fingers crossed for HD NFL this fall too Cambus. I'm also keeping my hopes alive for March Madness but every day that passes without HDTV testing (at least testing) the more pessimistic I get. Oh well you can't blame a guy for wishing on a star. Anything is possible since they are working on it.

I'm getting worried since the past week WAVE has obviously been testing at a very low power. I used to get a solid 100 sig on them, now they barely blip 3-6 on my meter. If this is the planned power xmission, not many of us will be watching WAVE ...

Any significant tuning on the RF system must be done at very low power (Usually less than a watt). To protect both the equipment and anyone who is working on the tower...

Just FYI

Cool, good to know. Hopfully the previous 100 sig strength is an indication of where they'll be when they're 'live'.

A couple of the freelancers that I work with told me that "Thunder" will be in HD again this year.
I think they (WHAS) will get it right this time.

I check WLKY (26) & WAVE (47) everyday when I get home from work. Today WLKY was on after work and at 7:00pm is still broadcasting.
Is this an extended test or are they now live?

Maybe we'll get Without a Trace in HD tonight.
Larry

I knew it was too good to be true. WLKY is off now.

The Boss must of come in and caught them actually broadcasting.

"The Boss must of come in and caught them actually broadcasting." Good one! LOL

Was WLKY regular programming (ala WDRB FUX in blurry 480i) or HDTV upconversion or HD demo loop?

Originally posted by PCS
"The Boss must of come in and caught them actually broadcasting." Good one! LOL


Was WLKY regular programming (ala WDRB FUX in blurry 480i) or HDTV upconversion or HD demo loop?

PCS,

Last night WLKY was just like WHAS. Duplicate programing of analog in 4:3 (black side bars) but decent picture compared to analog. I get WHAS at 75%-80% ss, WLKY was at 83%-87% ss. WLKY was probably 480i, but looked good (like a satellite picture on a 20" screen)

I have never seen the WDRB signal. I am about 11 miles from the transmitter, but the strength is so low I can only bounce from 30%-40% with no lock.

so what channels does Louisville currently offer in HD?

tannerjr, WHAS, KET, soon hopefully WAVE and WLKY
more info http://www.louisvillehdtv.com

tannerjr,

Check this site http://www.louisvillehdtv.com. It has all the latest info on HDTV in Louisville.

BTW, I am officially over my U of L funk with the great win by the Cards over Marquette in upconverted 480i today on WHAS. Someday these games will be in HD!!

PCS, I'm not sure I can take Dick V in HD.

Cambus

LOL! Just imagine Dickie V. in DD5.1 baybee.

WAVE 47 and WLKY 26 broascasting at the same time. Believe this is a first and hopefully we are close.

26-1 and 47-1 registering a full (no fluctuation) 100% on the signal strength (DST 3000) on the receiver here in Bedford, IN..

47 remapped to 3-1, 3-2 and 3-3 (3-3 is black screen).

26 didn't remap I don't believe.

EDIT: 26-1 didn't remap. Also... appears that the pic is skewed too much toward the bottom of the screen on 26-1.

3-3 is not black now but is a 'snowy' picture. I guess there can be snow on digital channels ;)


AKH

Same observation here. WLKY has vertical blanking at top of picture. This has been the case every time I have seen them test. Called Engineering Department and left voicemail about blanking. Hope we are close to both WAVE and WLKY going live.

I did not get to capture any of WLKY's feed today but I was checking out WAVE's. 3-1 was 16:9 (4:3 image w/black bars) and 3-2 was same image 4:3 and 3-3 (4:3) was black as others here have mentioned. Their PSIP was showing pid video to be 0x81 on all three sub-channels and I know that is wrong but they went off the air before I could recheck it - I hope they get that fixed.

Originally posted by MichaelZ
I did not get to capture any of WLKY's feed today but I was checking out WAVE's. 3-1 was 16:9 (4:3 image w/black bars) and 3-2 was same image 4:3 and 3-3 (4:3) was black as others here have mentioned. Their PSIP was showing pid video to be 0x81 on all three sub-channels and I know that is wrong but they went off the air before I could recheck it - I hope they get that fixed.

3-3 did have a picture for a short while... hence my quip about 'snow' on the channel. They were showing animated snowflakes falling with the words "Winter Storm" on the screen (or words to that affect).

AKH

Progress. . .

cambus,

Is the February 19, 2003? date listed on your website for WAVE and WLKY still valid?

The dates are best estimates,, I'll bump them to March 1 if we don't hear anything soon. WAVE said this week,, but they have a difficult time of keeping promises

Tuesday Feb 18 (1:30PM EST)

WAVE and WLKY are both on the air again today testing.

3-1, 4:3 image, 3-2 today appears to be magnified not stretched to fill 16:9, 3-3 is a (assume live)shot of the street

26-1 is 4:3 pic. Pic seems centered today (not skewed too low as it was yesterday).

Both channels passing audio.

Regular network programming on 3-1, 3-2, 26-1.

I hope they are close.... sure would like to see some evening tests of network HD. Altho not a big Leno fan, when I've caught the Tonight Show in HDTV (from Cincy NBC) it looked really good.

AKH

EDIT 4:45PM EST: Correction..... 3-2 (47-2) is NOT enlarged... it is a 4:3 image and I have control of the size via my Toshiba. I would've sworn I doublechecked that this afternoon but either it changed or I missed the boat on that.

Supposedly, BOTH WLKY and WAVE will 'light it up' Friday....
Considering the state of testing of late I'm hopeful that doesn't change.

-AKH

Just turned on NYPD blue and it's not HD. Anyone else? I'm getting it through Insight.

no HD tonight,,, WHAS has been showing snow closings instead.

Originally posted by akh
Supposedly, BOTH WLKY and WAVE will 'light it up' Friday....
Considering the state of testing of late I'm hopeful that doesn't change.

-AKH

Will they "light it up" on Insight at the same time? One can only hope.

btw, I saw Masters HD screenshots on one of the links from cambus' site. :D Awesome! And no commercials this year (thank you Ms. Burk).

do we really need to see snow closings all freakin night!!! That sucked!!! turned my 55" into a 32" :mad:

I totally agree with silvermaxd about the snow closings BS on WHAS. Since they are multi-casting analog and DTV, just show the snow info to the masses on analog and show HDTV (without snow info) on the digital channel. That lets me as a viewer choose to watch the snow closing info via analog if I need that kind of information!

When it comes to WAVE on Insight cable I am a bit concerned after hearing that WAVE is holding out, for reasons of principal, with E* for more $$$. They are refusing to allow their signal and trying to negotiate for a higher fee. I am not sure if this has been resolved but it may create the same issue with cable carriage and delay the WAVE DTV transmission via cable. Anybody with E* getting WAVE as a local yet?

Originally posted by silvermaxd
do we really need to see snow closings all freakin night!!! That sucked!!! turned my 55" into a 32" :mad:

Technically a 44" TV.

It was almost a blessing for me, because when I switched from the 5100 box to the regular analog feed, my wife asked, "Why is the picture so grainy now?" :D

Originally posted by akh
Supposedly, BOTH WLKY and WAVE will 'light it up' Friday....
-AKH
This is the word that I got.
Go live date == This friday.

Originally posted by cambus
no HD tonight,,, WHAS has been showing snow closings instead.

Haven't they figured out how to do the dreaded multicast yet?

HDC

A friend of mine just emailed me saying that he heard on the radio that WAVE was going "full time HDTV on Friday at noon". I'll believe it when I see it but I don't recall radio announcements at the other missed deadlines.

Chris

Originally posted by Chris Sutton
A friend of mine just emailed me saying that he heard on the radio that WAVE was going "full time HDTV on Friday at noon". ...

The $64? is will they be at full power? If so, I might have a slim chance of picking them up and I can take NBC off of my boycott list :cool:

HDC

The UK game was on WAVE-DT for the first half. After the UL mess, I went back to WAVE-DT and no signal. signal was strong. It was 4:3 and a good picture. Anyone else catch this?

Yep. Wave was on a long time Wed. Shame they just did not leave it on would like to see Leno in HD. Maybe Friday. Also Wlky went back to not stretching pic to fill before they left the air. We are getting close to having three networks in HD.

Anyone notice WAVE's sub-channel 2 has lip-sync problem? They must be converting the feed off of analog. Reminds me of WHAS's local broadcasts last year. Sub-channel 3 has the downtown cam on - kind of fuzzy looking, maybe they need to clean the len :)

WLKY was not testing this morning - I don't believe these guys will be up for another couple of weeks, IMHO.

I can do without the Grammys, but lets hope they can get it going before March Madness

just got word that they will start the broadcast on monday. And I was ready for friday.:mad: Oh well lets hope for the best!

Originally posted by silvermaxd
just got word that they will start the broadcast on monday. And I was ready for friday.:mad: Oh well lets hope for the best!

Was there a problem (which could mean a further delay even Monday) or just a decision to start on a Monday instead of a Friday?

Friday night was going to be a perfect time for me to watch some network HD without worrying about signal fade.....

My info on Friday's start had come straight from the source so I wonder what changed? :(

-AKH

Originally posted by akh
Was there a problem (which could mean a further delay even Monday) or just a decision to start on a Monday instead of a Friday?

Friday night was going to be a perfect time for me to watch some network HD without worrying about signal fade.....

My info on Friday's start had come straight from the source so I wonder what changed? :(

-AKH

I received an e-mail from someone at the station and he did'nt explain why. I just hope they pass the Hd feed! Has anyone seen any demo's or anything as far as HD goes?

If anyone else is interested, I just called Insight and they are offering a base digital package which includes the local HD channels! Currently only WHAS and KET of course, but hopefully more soon! I’m currently paying Insight $13.79 for the most basic analog package to get the locals. It should cost an additional $7.99 for the regular digital box and an additional $2 for the HD box! So, the total bill should be about $23.78 and they are coming out Monday for the installation!

Note: These prices are for Jeffersonville. The prices may be different across the river.

The operator I spoke with didn’t have a clue and said I would have to subscribe to HBO or Showtime if I wanted HD, but thankfully she offered to ask her supervisor and after a few minutes on hold they set me up! I’m very happy I’ll get to keep DirecTV for: HBO, SHO, and HDNET along with ALL other channels being digital. (Unlike Insight)

Originally posted by GregJKy
If anyone else is interested, I just called Insight and they are offering a base digital package which includes the local HD channels! Currently only WHAS and KET of course, but hopefully more soon! I’m currently paying Insight $13.79 for the most basic analog package to get the locals. It should cost an additional $7.99 for the regular digital box and an additional $2 for the HD box! So, the total bill should be about $23.78 and they are coming out Monday for the installation!

Note: These prices are for Jeffersonville. The prices may be different across the river.

The operator I spoke with didn’t have a clue and said I would have to subscribe to HBO or Showtime if I wanted HD, but thankfully she offered to ask her supervisor and after a few minutes on hold they set me up! I’m very happy I’ll get to keep DirecTV for: HBO, SHO, and HDNET along with ALL other channels being digital. (Unlike Insight)

I have the digital now and I know that I probably can get another box to receive HD for $2 but I'm gonna wait until there is a all-in-one box! I have a built-in HD tuner so getting HD OTA is fine and may be better than cable.

I sent them an email about their HDTV launch about a week ago, i guess they added me to their mailing list. They just sent this out today.

"I was hoping to get a hard sign on date by now for the WLKY dtv channel. It is very close, I think it will happen early the week of 2-24 at this point. WLKY will be operating on channel 26 and passing along most CBS high Definition programs. WLKY plans to broadcast 4pm to 12:35AM on week days. Week ends may vary depending on CBS sports offerings in HD.

Thank you for your interest in WLKY
Jim Mercer
Chief Engineer."

Good news I suppose, I also asked about their Insight plans, but did not get a responce back from them. I think it'll be a couple months though (untill they're on Insight), at least till they get everything completely figured out.

Good news for you OTA people though!
I did not email WAVE, but I'm guessing it's the same.

I replied asking about 5.1, and Insight, this is his response.

"WLKY will not be doing 5.2 DD right now but will upgrade at some time. CBS's feed for the Grammy's is a sot of a test for them. I am not really up to speed with what Insight is doing but I suspect that if the others are available we will be added soon also.

Jim
"

Originally posted by stovetop
I replied asking about 5.1, and Insight, this is his response.

"WLKY will not be doing 5.1DD right now but will upgrade at some time. CBS's feed for the Grammy's is a sot of a test for them. I am not really up to speed with what Insight is doing but I suspect that if the others are available we will be added soon also.

Jim
"

Thanks for sharing! :D

Great posts stovetop!

I am left encouraged yet slightly confused (what else it new). Could someone in the TV business please explain Jim Mercer's comment, " I am not really up to speed with what Insight is doing but I suspect that if the others are available we will be added soon also" ?

Does this mean the Gen Mgr of WLKY is not in conversation with the local cable co. about carriage of their new DTV signal?

Does Insight just do this on their own?

Is there no financial agreement?

All this seems different than I supposed, but that means nothing since I know virtually nothing about the business of TV broadcasting or cable TV.

Anybody got any ideas about these issues?

PCS,
The impression I got about this comment on Insight is that it's probably just not a part of his resposibilities to create an that kind of agreement.

Basically, I just asked, "Do you have info when WLKY will be available on Insight's HD service like WHAS and KET".

That's probably a question for someone else at the station.

Stovetop, are you saying that WLKY is going to be test broadcasting the Grammy's this Sunday in HD?

MichaelZ,
From what Jim said, it did not seem like that was the case. He was saying next week.

OOPS,

I just re-read your post stovetop and I see that JM is the chief engineer. Somehow in my various emails to stations I got it in my mind that he was the Gen Mgr for WLKY. My mistake. I guess that cancels most of my questions. As you point out it may just be someone else's area of responsibility. I do wonder if Insight just adds the channel once it is available. If so that really simplifies what I thought was a fairly complicated process of negotiation, agreements,etc. If anyone has any inside scoop on WLKY or WAVE on Insight cable please speak up.

stovetop, my confusion, but you quoted "WLKY will not be doing 5.1DD right now but will upgrade at some time. CBS's feed for the Grammy's is a sot of a test for them.". The Grammy's are this weekend - just confused. :)

I think the meaning is it will be a test for CBS.

News Flash WDRB and FUX TV NETWORK SUX.

I got word from Bill Lamb in Jan that he was going to an affiliates meeting in New Orleans. I emailed him recently to find out if there were any hopeful developments like 480p widescreen or DD 5.1. Here is his reply (pathetic):


"Fox apparently has no immediate plan to provide a better high definition signal than their 480i signal. My guess is they are trying to leave room to attach Fox Sports, Fox News Channel, FX, and anything else they've got to our spectrum. We haven't agreed to that, of course, but I think that is their master plan. At any rate, they provided no encouragement."

Mr Lamb has been good about responding to questions but I sure do not like his answers. Sounds like WDRB is a lost cause. I would encourage anyone who cares about this to email FOX and show them there is an audience for HDTV and at least 480p DD5.1.

Bill Lamb
E-mail Address:
Billlamb@Fox41.com

Any chance WDRB will broadcast local produced events, like the Louisville Cards games, in HD???

Originally posted by purvis
Any chance WDRB will broadcast local produced events, like the Louisville Cards games, in HD???

Purvis,
If you read thru the whole thread, that would seem doubtful for a LONG time (if at all). Apparently WDRB is getting by as cheap as possible. Someone else here can probably give you better info but I don't think the gov is requiring HDTV... only digital TV. And so logic would dictate that the cheapest route is plain ol' digital TV using the cheapest format possible. Which would mean maintaining 480i broadcasts and equip.

And since FOX isn't using HD themselves there is even less incentive at this point for WDRB to go that direction.

AKH

It would seem that on the compotetion front ALONE with all the local stations in the Louisville area would push them in that direction! Can you imagine once all the stations in the local area move to HD and they do not? It would seem that it would really hurt them on the compotetion front, especially as time goes on and more and more people have HD TV.

Hey purvis,

Could you be a UofL Card fan? If you are, I am too. I am very disappointed that the station that carries the Cards games WDRB is doing nothing beyond low resolution 480i. The station manager says they have NO plans for anything other than 480i (the lowest format legally available) on their DTV channel. Once there are more HDTV viewers, once ESPN-HD gets going this spring and gets picked up by local cable, once WAVE, WLKY and even WBKI get on the air by this summer there will be lots of UofL fans with HDTV ready sets who are watching all the other channels in HD. At that point I want to organize a protest against FOX as the UofL broadcast choice unless they upgrade to a better resolution. I believe the contracts for these things are fairly short (1-2 yrs) and Fox has had them for several years since they left WHAS. Maybe they are coming up fr renewal. So I am hopeful that, as you said, competition or protest from fans will either get them to improve or get UofL to look elsewhere. Any Card fans out there who are as bothered as I am about WDRB's inferior signal and how that looks when watching a Cards game?

BTW if WLKY gets OTA by early March (maybe even this week) we may get to see MARCH MADNESS in HDTV (maybe even a UofL game in HD) MAYBE!

Cards fans need to complain to U of L athletics
(Kenny Klien)
They handle the T.V. Deals
Let your voices be heard.........

Busy at work today. ^_^ But had to post this lastest email from Jim.

"WLKY DT channel 26 is planning to sign on today 2-24-03 at 12:00 noon.

Jim Mercer"

Great news!

Originally posted by stovetop
Busy at work today. ^_^ But had to post this lastest email from Jim.

"WLKY DT channel 26 is planning to sign on today 2-24-03 at 12:00 noon.

Jim Mercer"

Great news!

that is great news!! :D

Well it is after 12 Noon and no WLKY. However on there noon news they said they will be on each day at 4PM. So I guess we have another 4 hours to wait. WAVE was on this moring but, off now. Will try both at 4.

Rah, Rah

Both WAVE and WLKY are up.

TCK 12:50pm

Have signal lock on both 26 and 47 from 60mi out (not enough to pull in the stations .... yet :) )

HDC

Originally posted by HDTVChallenged
TCK 12:50pm

Have signal lock on both 26 and 47 from 60mi out (not enough to pull in the stations .... yet :) )

HDC


Still reading 100% on both stations (WLKY and WAVE). No fluctuation. That is in Bedford, IN. No problems with reception at all.

DST3000 Toshiba Receiver
Combo VHF/UHF ant on 40' tower w/preamp. (some of that 'height' is actually buried in the ground of course)

-AKH

Originally posted by akh
Still reading 100% on both stations (WLKY and WAVE). That is in Bedford, IN.

DST3000 Toshiba Receiver
Combo VHF/UHF ant on 40' tower w/preamp. (some of that 'height' is actually buried in the ground of course)
Hmmm... I'm 79 miles away on the SW side of Lexington. I'm not home at the moment, so I can't see if I can receive them yet. I'm up in the air about 40 ft with a CM-4228 antenna and CM-7777 pre-amp. I get WLKY analog 32 crystal clear (same tower location as these new DT's?).

Does anyone know what type power they're (WHAS-DT and WLKY-DT) using? I checked the FCC database and all it shows is their CP power of 1000kW for WHAS-DT and 600kW for WLKY-DT. I thought they would operate under an STA like everyone else seems to be doing initially?

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call=WAVE and http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?call=WLKY-TV

FYI

WLKY is not passing CBS HD signal. Young and Restless still at NTSC, while I think CBS passes a HD feed of this show.

Originally posted by cambus
FYI

WLKY is not passing CBS HD signal. Young and Restless still at NTSC, while I think CBS passes a HD feed of this show.


somebody get on the phone and see whats up..:D

Originally posted by cambus
FYI

WLKY is not passing CBS HD signal. Young and Restless still at NTSC, while I think CBS passes a HD feed of this show.

Steve,
If it (Y&R) really matters, CBS downlinks it at 12:30pm-1:30pm. If WLKY delays it (like WKYT's normal schedule) it will most likely not be in HD. WKYT does multicast the HD feed along with their normal aftn. programming. Also, it took WKYT a few days to get their HD feed setup after they went live. ... Patience ...

HDC

Ragamuffin,
Let me know if there's hope for us. I got a lock on 26 and 47 but only 3-6%. I have half a 4228 mounted in the attic, which gives me hope that I might get more signal if I go up and outside.

HDTVChallenged, great info, you are right.. received response from WLKY (by the way, kudos to WLKY for responding promptly)

From Jim Mercer:

We mrecord and delay Y&R. therefore it will not be in HD.

Jim

I have a solid 79 to 86 signal on WAVE-DT here in Georgetown, KY. I have a rotor, but WAVE doesn't peak where I think it should. Before WAVE, I had some unknown interference on channel 47. Maybe that has something to do with it.
WLKY peaks at about a 15--not enough to decode. It's probably because of interference from WKYT analog on 27.

I'm right on the edge of the fence here in SW Lexington at 79 miles... I'm getting a solid picture and audio with dropouts occurring for a split second about once a minute on WHAS-DT (I can't lock on WLKY-DT). My "meter" is in the mid 40's for WHAS-DT, where above 50 is typically rock solid, my local DTV's come in at 88 (which apparently is MAX on a HiPix). WLKY-DT is hovering in the 10-15 range on my meter.

Here's a reduced screen snap from a few minutes ago...

http://www.nelsonplain.com/img/whas_dtv_47.jpg

Cool. I can't believe WDRB couldn't get on line for the Grammy's last night :-(

Also, How big IS that CBS LOGO!!!

On MyHD card, the WAVE, KET and WDRB all map correctly to ther analog numbers, but WLKY and WHAS don't. Is there a difference in the data that is being broadcast?

So far so good on WLKY HD. No problems here. I'm not sure if NBC has any HD broadcasts tonight until Leno (assuming Leno is a new show... dunno... are repeats in HD?).

I've seen the HD Leno before and it looked VERY good. ... hopefully WAVE will too.

Now if WHAS would turn up the power so I could get ABC too... :cool:

..Altho their Superbowl broadcast at higher power wasn't perfect here (Bedford, IN) like WAVE DT and WLKY DT have been. OTOH, IF they'd (WHAS DT55) consistently broadcast at that power I might be able to play with the equip and see if I could improve WHAS reception.

I do wish WLKY DT26 would've thrown us a bone and 'unofficially' broadcast the Grammy's last night. I wonder if the DD5.1 played into the reason they didn't? Is WLKY DD5.1 capable?

EDIT: BTW.... the commercials sure 'cut' thru on WLKY DT don't they? A little loud compared to the normal program level.

-AKH

OOOPPPPS! I meant WLKY.

According to TitanTV, Crossing Jordan will be HD, but thats on the same time as CSI Miami. Wow, this is what it's like to have to DECIDE which HD content to watch :-)

HOW SCHWEEEEEEEEEET IT IS!!!

Having to choose between several HD choices during prime time! It is only the sign of things to come as we get more and more HDTV broadcasts. Welcome WAVE-DT and WLKY-DT including network HD pass through. All major networks passing HD! This can only put more pressure on WDRB.

Great job by WAVE-DT and WLKY-DT. It looks like they are taking the HDTV feed serious.

Hopefully this example will be followed by WHAS-DT by turning up the power, so my receiver will lock that signal too.
I only had luck during the super bowl.

And about WDRB-DT, it's a joke. But hey, who wants to watch Joe Millionaire in HD.... uhhh, who wants to watch Joe Millionaire! :)

A swing and a hit! Better late than never I guess, now Louisville has joined the rest of the US and has all the major networks in DTV. It's nice to have so much HD content to choose from now.

I wonder how long it will take Insight cable to pick up the new DTV channels? Soon I hope. Its one less STB for me to have to slect inputs, change audio settings, etc. HD cable is so much simpler. Right now I use a combo of OTA antennae for WAVE, WLKY and Insight cable for WHAS, HBO, SHO and PBS.

Also, I am hoping for HDNET Discovery-HD, ESPN-HD and Bravo-HD from Insight. Anybody got any news on this possibility?

I'm definately jealous of you guys, but I'll try and be patient for Insight to come through. I sent them an email today about it, they usually respond within 24 hours. If they don't get it before the NCAA Tournament, I'll go ahead and get an OTA reciever... but I'm thinking they'll be on before that.

PCS, are you letting them know that you're interested in those channels? That's the best way to get them to start offering them. I ask everytime I email them or call them and they say they'll pass on the information.

I watched Fear Factor and it looked it looked great even though it was'nt HD! CSI miami looked great also. I think I might have had maybe one audio dropout that I can remember. Great job by both stations IMHO. They spanked WHAS11!!! I hope this was'nt a one nighter and they turn the power down.

My questions to Insight:
What is the status of adding more HD channels in Louisville, KY,
specifically CBS and NBC? Also, are there plans to add ESPN-HD, HDNet,
Discovery-HD, or Bravo-HD anytime in the near future? Lastly, what is the
time frame for switching to a one box system vs. the two box set and what
model receiver will be used when the switch to one box takes place? Thank
you.

Their reply:

Dear Mr. Shanks:
Thank you for your networks/programming inquiry. Unfortunately, we are
still under negotiations with the local networks. Also be advised, we will
continue to use the HD/Digital Motorola companion until the 3rd or 4th
quarter of 2003. We will then switch to a Motorola model that can
accommodate digital and high definition. We will be sure to keep our
customers posted as further details develop regarding additional HD channels
and upgrades. We appreciate your patience.

Sincerely,
Karen Stokes
Insight Communications
Customer Liaison

YaHoo - I put my rabbit ear in the window and picked up abcdt 55 - nbcdt 47 (1,2,3) - cbsdt 26 - pbsdt 17 (2,3,4) - foxdt 49 and upndt 51

That's six digital ota stations. Even watched Leno in HDTV (didn't improve the content but the picture is great) I have an RCA 38" HD tube I bought two years ago. FINALLY the day is here!!! Thanks to all.

Well damn, I though I was going to be buying an xbox this month, but looks like I may just get an OTA decoder and try again.... .

If I can pick up NBC, CBS, ABC, I think i could drop my digital cable completely.. HBO and Showtime are not worth $70 a month..

I think I'll email that to Insight, too. ~_^ I got the same reply from Scott, minus the info about the motorola box.

Well damn #2!

I was all setup to send this pretty blunt email about how I could get more HD programming OTA then with them and how they don't give appropriate responses to paying customers, and then they go on and send me a second response to my email.

Anyway, it's pretty good, it's in the forum at louisvillehdtv.com

Check it out if you're interested, I'm running out to lunch!

-john

I've just discovered that on WAVE-DT sub 2, I'm able to change change the picture size from 4:3 to full screen and cannot on Sub 1. WHAS-DT is only available in 4:3 unless they are broadcasting an HD program. WLKY-DT is the sames as WHAS-DT. Does this have to do with the signal that NBC is sending?

Originally posted by SONYMAN
I've just discovered that on WAVE-DT sub 2, I'm able to change change the picture size from 4:3 to full screen and cannot on Sub 1. WHAS-DT is only available in 4:3 unless they are broadcasting an HD program. WLKY-DT is the sames as WHAS-DT. Does this have to do with the signal that NBC is sending?

Sonyman,
I believe you are correct. To change the ratio on 3-1 you will probally need to do it through your STB, as your TV will not let you change mode on what it thinks is HD content.

I have a dish 6000 STB & mits TV. On 3-1 it comes up in "normal" mode, indicating it is HD or source controlled. 3-2 & 3-3 come up displaying the "stretch" mode that is applied to non source controlled programing.
BTW, 55-1 & 26-1 should be like 3-1 and on 8-1 & 49-1 you should be able to change it.

HD feed on KET4 20:00 22:30

Robert,

Where in Prospect are you? I'm in Hillcrest. It sounds like you are getting very good OTA reception. I have not had time to dial in WAVE or WLKY yet, and my WDRB is pretty weak. If you get them that well, I have some hope.....

I'm on River Road between the one lane bridge and Prospect Point. I have an amplified rabbit ear. I have the VHF "ears" down. I'm only using the UHF ring. The window faces NNW. It is the 'sweet spot' that gets all of the digital signals with a strength from 65 to 88. I'm looking in to some other antenna arrangement. Along the side of the house or in the attic. I looked at the Terk TV55. But I think I'll be better off with a directional UHF type.

I see that WAVE 47-1 (3-1) has regular NBC programming (in HD) while 47-2 has the KY game on.

Analog WAVE 3 has the game with reg NBC programming preempted.

Great use of the technology I'd say (especially considering the game isnt a HiDef broadcast.

-AKH

AKH
I agree, great use of technology. I am getting a lot of motion artifacts on the UK game though.

Good to hear all of the OTA DTV here in town now.

But, as luck would have it, I'm down for the count for at least another week. I've sold my house and have been moving out the last couple of weeks but hope to get some stuff in place at least by Sunday night to check out the airwaves :)

I finally captured some HD from WAVE last night, it was the Tonight show and Wave is downresing the bitstream. I am showing 14Mb for hd, 3 Mb for the 4:3 channel (sub-channel 2) and about 1.9Mb for sub-channel 3.
I thought Jay Leno looked softer than I last remember seeing it in HD (off of ExpressVu) but I did not have images to compare. WHAS's bitstream is 19.19Mb on HD material, althought they are converting 720p material to 1080i.

Has anyone heard what the plans are for these sub-channels on Wave and Wlky?

silvermaxd, I haven't seen any sub-channels on WLKY (yet!) and I hope they don't do them, at least if HD material is being transmitted. WAVE's 14 Mb is on the edge as far as I am concerned, esp. if there are fast moving images, you will see artifacts galore! I am going to check the HD bitstream on WLKY tonight and see what they are doing :)

Originally posted by MichaelZ
I finally captured some HD from WAVE last night, it was the Tonight show and Wave is downresing the bitstream. I am showing 14Mb for hd, 3 Mb for the 4:3 channel (sub-channel 2) and about 1.9Mb for sub-channel 3.
I thought Jay Leno looked softer than I last remember seeing it in HD (off of ExpressVu) but I did not have images to compare. WHAS's bitstream is 19.19Mb on HD material, althought they are converting 720p material to 1080i.

Does WAVE maintain the sub channels at all times? I know last night they presented the KY basketball game that was on analog 3 at 3-2 while regular NBC material was on 3-1 (in HD). I'd never bothered to check before if they maintained a sub-channel under normal programming conditions where 3-1 and 3-2 would've been the same (as they have been) if 3-1 was broadcasting HD.

Just wondering if last night was an exception or the rule on bandwidth?

-AKH

Did you notice the had a downtown camera on 3-3? That makes me think they may just put stuff up there for the heck of it (at least in the early stages)

Now that they are on the air i think they will be tweaking their encoders a little.
Give it a month or so, then look at the bitrates.

akh, WAVE still had all three channels going during the Tonight show. The downtown camera (sub 3) was almost totally black - only a few buildings were lit up. I think sub-channel 2 was 4:3 version of Tonight show.

woowoo, I hope you are right about tweaking the bit rates.

Originally posted by MichaelZ
akh, WAVE still had all three channels going during the Tonight show. The downtown camera (sub 3) was almost totally black - only a few buildings were lit up. I think sub-channel 2 was 4:3 version of Tonight show.

woowoo, I hope you are right about tweaking the bit rates.

I gathered they did have 3-2, 3-3 on last night during HD content on 3-1 but wondered if that has been the norm? I'd never checked previously when watching HD material on 3-1.

...Thought maybe it was just an oversight after the game (or intentional because of the game they wanted on 3-2 and no ability/staff/whatever to change aftewards last night).

FWIW... I'm seeing nothing... O on the meter for DT 47 right now.

-AKH

anyone else lose WAVE 3DT?
I can't even get a blip in the add dtv menu or on screen.
WLKY is still up so it must not be a "tower" problem.

Originally posted by lapplegate
anyone else lose WAVE 3DT?
I can't even get a blip in the add dtv menu or on screen.
WLKY is still up so it must not be a "tower" problem.
I had a solid lock all day on Monday. Nothing since. I'm in Lexington and therefore on the "fringe" at 73 miles away from the towers. I had just assumed they must have turned down the power. Does anyone know if they ran full throttle on Monday?

They were on up until news time then just went dark. Must have a broke part.

I thought the concert looked great!! Nice picture quality and I loved the crowd shots when the camera was'nt moving. It really shows the quality of HD. The wifey even liked it.(y) The sound was'nt that great but the picture made up for it. Great job WLKY!! I wish they had concerts every friday!

Everything seems fine to me on saturday PM. I have a panasonic STB therefore no signal strength meter. I do notice a few drops for WLKY while WAVE is rock solid all the time. Anyone know what is the difference? Is it signal strength? power level? network problem? I would think that with both WAVE and WLKY on the same tower this would minimize differences. Perhaps not. Any ideas?

I think WAVE has more power output than WLKY. Does anyone know if WHAS will crank up the power anytime soon? My local ABC had damage from the ice storm--not sure when they'll be back.

Originally posted by goldenrod
I think WAVE has more power output than WLKY. Does anyone know if WHAS will crank up the power anytime soon? My local ABC had damage from the ice storm--not sure when they'll be back.

From my vantage point in Bedford, IN both WAVE and WLKY peg my signal strength at 100% with no fluctuation during their full broadcast day. WHAS is barely a blip or two. (Altho a little while ago today I saw I was getting nothing from DT26 WLKY so I assume they are (or was) off today.

I emailed WHAS back in January about a week before the Super Bowl and asked if they had plans to boost the signal in the near future. The reply I got back was basically 'no'.... with the caveat that they had a high power test planned for a few hrs that coming week and would turn up the power just for the Super Bowl. There was no other info about higher power or even a guess when they would being going to a higher power on a regular basis.

My reception for the test or the DT55 Super Bowl broadcast was not nearly as good as DT47 or DT26 have proven to be BUT was viewable. Pehaps if they'd consistently run that power I could've tweaked my setup and inprove the WHAS DT reception (plus I've had a receiver firmware update since then that might've helped). Does anyone know if they were truly at full power for the test or the Super Bowl or just 'higher power'?

That's the last info I got.

-AKH

HDTV talk on TechTv tonight!

They mentioned on WAVE 3 Newscast tonight that "Thunder Over Louisville" would be in HD this year .. Although they didn't say where(I had thought it was a WHAS "thing"). On the thunder website however(at below link), it says WHAS and WAVE have the rights to broadcast the show.

http://www.thunderoverlouisville.org/media/lights_camera_action.asp

WHAS will do the HD version

Will WHAS turn up the juice for Thunder? I'd love to see it, but right now I just get an occasional blip on the signal meter from them.

My guess is that WAVE will broadcast Thunder in HD, as well. I don't think they would promote it on their newscast as being HD and not offer it in HD.

I hope WAVE does do it in HD. I get a solid signal on them already!

No WAVE last night!?

I hope they do a better job this year with Thunder than last year. The switching between HD and non-HD cameras was annoying and Leann Rimes was unwatchable!

Anyone know why According To Jim was SD Tuesday night?

Sure has gotten quite in here lately!

Silvermaxd,

You really love that dog, don't you? Is it an airdale? I'm pretty sure it is, I had a airdale mutt when I was a kid. Best dog ever.

I haven't heard any new HD news lately.. Masters are on CBS though, that'll be something to look forward to. Still waiting for Insight to sign some deals though.

Originally posted by stovetop
Silvermaxd,

You really love that dog, don't you? Is it an airdale? I'm pretty sure it is, I had a airdale mutt when I was a kid. Best dog ever.

I haven't heard any new HD news lately.. Master are on CBS though, that'll be something to look forward to! Still waiting for Insight to sign some deals though.

Yeah he's my lil buddy. He(Roscoe) is an Airedale and almost 4 years old now. He has been a great dog and I get alot of compliments about him because you don't see many of them around.

I did see that about the Master's and that should be great to watch! I'm hoping to see some Tennis soon also. I'm looking forward to the Basketball tourney coming up!

WLKY was showing horizontal lines last night (around 8:30) and tonight they are having terrible audio break-ups. Anyone know what problems they are having? Also, WAVE's HD still looks soft to me - it looks like 480p.

I could not watch WLKY last night the audio problems were very bad. WLKY has had audio problems from day 1 with distortion at the high end. They seemed to get it better after My Big Fat Greek. As to WAVE I think they are going to try and make some $$$$$ with there sub cannels at the expense of HDTV. Call them and complain. They sure do not need 3.3 with the bad shot of the sky line.

Stevenshs, I've never noticed any sound problems with WLKY except last night, albeit, I have not watch very much on CBS but what I have watched, the sound was fine. I hope they get it straightened out. WAVE's 3.3 channel is pitiful - the image is so soft it's not worth the bandwidth they are allocating to it.

I heard breakups on WLKY audio tonight myself.

Also... for the past few nights (when I've checked) I've noticed WLKY not showing Letterman at all but instead the CBS HDTV feed (color bars). I know Letterman is not in HD but why broadcast colorbars at 11:35PM instead of the show?

AKH

Prob everyone goes home at WLKY and they don't switch the NTSC feed back. I think for most stations this is a manual process. Also noticed the audio problems.

While we are talking about quality.... I've asked this in another thread but still not sure if I am clear and/or on the same page regarding this issue.

With the Toshiba DST3000 I sometimes get a 'digitizing' of the picture. I notice it on transitional scenes (quick fade) or quick panning (or zooming). Most prevalent on something like Leno with deep colors and a tendency to use more motion with the cameras at certain times (as compared to a movie).

I see it to a degree on all the HDTV channels I watch regularly (altho I don't recall it on Showtime, I don't watch Showtime as much).

I put a fan on the receiver but didn't notice much difference (if any).

If it is a bandwidth thing surely I'm not the only one seeing this on Leno? It'll occur a few times during the show altho sometimes it is very fast.

I've heard talk of 'motion artifacts' and know about blurring around the edges of say basketball players running with a compressed image. What I am talking about isn't 'blurry' but is very defined, squared, 'digitized' looking.

Not pixelization either. Not a weak signal. No audio dropouts or picture freezing at all. Happens on satellite or OTA HDTV.

Just curious if I have a problem with the TV or more likely the DST3000.

AKH

Just curious if I have a problem with the TV or more likely the DST3000

You are seeing one of the effects of MPEG2 compression ...

HDC

I have tried twice in the past week to see the Tonight show on WAVE in HD but, no HD. Why is WAVE not broadcasting it in HD?

Hey guys,

I got the audio dropouts on WLKY last night too.:mad: I've noticed them a few times before very infrequently. Last night they were constant.

Originally posted by STEVENSHS
I have tried twice in the past week to see the Tonight show on WAVE in HD but, no HD. Why is WAVE not broadcasting it in HD?

I've noticed the Tonight Show not starting in HD but it ends up in HD. Next time, leave it on for a while and see if they switch it to HD.

I wonder if that is on a timer and the timer is set a few minutes late.... or if somebody is asleep at the switch?

AKH

The last part of the Tonight Show was in HD, but the quality still stinks, especially moving images. I hope they can turn those subs off. I've compared the WAVE show with some Leno I recorded when I was in Atlanta. Huge difference. There are lots of motion artificats in the material, very similar to a TIVO on the lowest quality setting.

After seeing this discussion I stayed up to watch Leno last night and noticed the first 15 min was SD. Then the switch to HD. I saw some artifacts too. Pretty disappointing to see they have a multicast strategy that will cause PQ to suffer. THat 3-3 is a total waste! If I want a shot of the skyline I'll go to the window and look outside. :mad:

Originally posted by PCS
THat 3-3 is a total waste! If I want a shot of the skyline I'll go to the window and look outside. :mad:
LOL! That's exactly my thoughts about the 3.3 channel. Actually, would like to see the 3.2 (4:3) channel removed as well. Who wants a 4:3 repeat of the 3.1 channel? Checkout the thread on HDNet when Directv was sharing it with an other HD channel on the same transponder and it was noticeably softer (it was a 14Mb stream too).
Has anyone contacted WLKY about their audio problem and is it going to be resolved soon?

Last night WLKYT seemed to have addressed the audio drops. Their sound level was about double what it has been. THis made for great audio with just one problem. Now they are about 1/3 higher Dbs than WAVE so when I change OTA channels I also have to adjust the csound or be ready to get blown out of the room! Growing pains. Anyone else notice this last night between Leno and Letterman (Costello)?

PCS, I noticed the level difference last night. I changed channels and nearly woke up my family upstairs.

PCS, I was ready to rant about this myself. I noticed ALL the DT stations, at least last night, had different loudness ratios - with WLKY being the loudest and UPN (58) the softest. Hopefully, this is just growing pains. Also, WHAS had some strange center channel problem last night, seemed very low in volume.

Originally posted by MichaelZ
LOL! That's exactly my thoughts about the 3.3 channel. Actually, would like to see the 3.2 (4:3) channel removed as well. Who wants a 4:3 repeat of the 3.1 channel? Checkout the thread on HDNet when Directv was sharing it with an other HD channel on the same transponder and it was noticeably softer (it was a 14Mb stream too).
Has anyone contacted WLKY about their audio problem and is it going to be resolved soon?

I have been in touch with WLKY about audio. My problem is distortion expeciall on local news. The chief told me they hear no problems at the station or at his home. That may be but, there audio has problems at my home. Perhaps if others report WLKY problems to them we can get if fixed.

We haven't touched a thing here at KET..

Anyone watch CSI tonight? WLKY had the local commercials 10+ db louder than the network broadcasts. I may need a hearing test tomorrow :)

To all Insight HD customers,

What's the current status of their HD offerings? Appears I'm set to toss DISH and switch to Insight and am mostly curious about what locals are on it right now.

Feel free to PM or if someone would be so kind as to post a summary status report? :)

To all Insight HD customers,

What's the current status of their HD offerings? Appears I'm set to toss DISH and switch to Insight and am mostly curious about what locals are on it right now.

Feel free to PM or if someone would be so kind as to post a summary status report? :)

NightowlKY,

The best news that I've heard lately is what was off the Business First article about HDTV in Louisville. (link from http://www.louisvillehdtv.com): http://www.bizjournals.com/louisville/stories/2003/03/10/story3.html


"Insight adding local HDTV channels

Gregg Graff, senior vice president of Insight Communications, said that the cable provider has begun carrying KET and WHAS HDTV channels.

Graff said Insight officials are in negotiations with representatives from WLKY, WAVE and WDRB to bring their digital signals to the cable system.

He said that Insight also may launch a new high-definition tier of cable network channels within 90 days. That tier would include ESPN, Discovery HD Theater and HD NET, a sports and entertainment network owned by Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban.

Graff said Insight offers high-definition HBO and Showtime channels to high-definition subscribers who pay an additional $2 per month above the standard digital cable fee.

The high-definition signals are received through a decoder similar to Insight's digital cable box, Graff said. "We are very excited about the deployment of high-definition television."
"

I emailed them again about the status of WLKY, but have not heard back yet.

John

I can't believe Insight haven't sorted this out yet. They knew, as we all did that WAVE and WLKY HD were going on air weeks before it happened. Why didn't they sort out all the business while we were waiting so they could feed it through as soon as they went on air. Jeez!!!

Boggles, the mind, eh?

Esp. with the NCAA tourney coming up next week and the Masters in April.

Can someone verify what KET services Insight in Louisville is carrying?

I need it for my records..

Thanks

William

Hey,

Has anyone noticed the DT channels moving? 77, 103, 105, 107, and 111???

Oops. I was playing around with off-air guides and re-programed my antenna as a cable. Re-set back to air - new search - all is back inplace.

With "acquire off-air guide" on, I now am receiving show titles and information for the KET channels. And, station call letters for WAVE and WFTE (UPN). Pretty Cool. Just like satellite info.

William,

Louisville Insight has KET on channels 764-KET1, 765-KET2, 766-KET3, and 767-KET4.

Hey...I'm back in bidnez.. :)

Rigged up one of my RS UHF-only antennae on a half-wall of an old barn in my dad's backyard and ran a cable into the basement (where my 'living room' currently resides) and am now getting all of the local DTV stations (well, not WBNA-DT).

I noticed WAVE had the three channels going but this evening when I got home and went to 3-03, the TV paused a bit and then everything mapped to 47. And the 3rd channel was gone. I only see 47-01 and 47-02. I still can't understand why WAVE would two 4:3 broadcasts unless they are just testing. Takes away from what 47-01 could look like.

UPDATE: Just sent WAVE an email asking about their plans for the additional channels and what happened to the channel mapping.

And, with war now imminent, I'm guessing CBS will pre-empt all of the NCAA coverage? I'm wondering if my DISH CBS-HD will still be showing the games. <shrug>

FYI,
WAVE3 & Dish must have reached an agreement.
WAVE is now on the Dish locals.
Larry

Not sure why, but the game show channel 96 on insight digital is now on insight HD STB channel 96.

I noticed gameshow network on there too. I wonder if they are testing channels before they move all channels to the 5100 box. Gameshow network is channel 96 on insight's non HDTV box.

It appears there will be no WKLY-DT on Insight in time for the NCAA Tournament unless it happens to show up tomorrow. I'm not real optimistic.

Originally posted by billmill
I noticed gameshow network on there too. I wonder if they are testing channels before they move all channels to the 5100 box. Gameshow network is channel 96 on insight's non HDTV box.

I noticed this too. We had a repair tech at the house the other night and he said as far as he knew, they were not going to use the 5100 box when they converted to one box - it was going to be a completely different box altogether. He may not have known squat about what he was talking about, but that is what he said.

Has anyone had a problem when they put their box on the hd channel and it goes back to channel 0?

Originally posted by PCS
It appears there will be no WKLY-DT on Insight in time for the NCAA Tournament unless it happens to show up tomorrow. I'm not real optimistic.

I wonder if WLKY's sound problems are preventing Insight from going forward with their HD feed.

Anybody know if WLKY-DT 26 will be passing on the DD 5.1 signal that CBS will be sending? I'm having some folks over Friday who have never seen HDTV and DD 5.1 with it would be great.

I don't understand why WLKY has not advertised that the UofL game will be shown in glorious HD on WLKYDT. You'd think they'd be proud of that and stir up some business for themselves - maybe even put more pressure on Insight to carry WLKYDT sooner.

...........Rick

Hope its not preempted by war coverage.

As I posted in another thread on the programming forum, in the event of continuous war coverage there will be no HDTV coverage of the NCAA tournament this weekend. It will be shifted to ESPN and they will have "exclusive" coverage. So as I feared there will be no simulcast on the DTV channel. The GM of WLKY is p*ssed. Here is the whole story if you want to read it and weep.

http://www.courier-journal.com/cjsports/news2003/03/20ncaa/sp032003s383699.htm

Hence the advantage of MULTICAST in DTV....

Got this tonight from WLKY:


We expect to have these games available over the air through a HDTV
receiver. However, this will not be available through cable.

Mike Neelly

News Director

---------------------

I was asking about the Friday/sunday UofL gameS. =)


The NCAA tournament is on right now on CBS though.

Great News Stovetop!!!

Thanks for the update. I can't understand why it is so TOP SECRET about the availability of the games via the digital channel. Fred Cowgill on the WLKY news told the viewers there would be "no way to get the games over the air from WLKY" if they shifted the games to ESPN. He made no mention of the digital channel, the fact that this is a first for Louisville in HD or encourage anyone to watch the HD broadcast. Unbelievable!

On another note has anyone else lost WKET and WHAS from Insight HD cable? What's up with this? Are they taking lessons from WAVE aned WLKY and trying to get $$$ for their free OTA. This was suggessted by the Forrester Institute for broadcasters to pass along the costs for the DTV upgrade to the cable companies to pass on to the viewer? If so this sux. Hope I'm just paranoid and they show up again.

Not KET,

NCAA IS NOW ON WLKY IN HDTV ON 26-1!

Sorry to shout. I couldn't help it. Hope it keeps up later when UofL plays.

Friday: NCAA in HDTV on DT26....

I'm watching some of the Purdue game. Is anyone watching DT26 seeing motion artifacts? Particularly on scene dissolves, slow motions, and fast graphics... altho sometimes on fast action as well. Particularly closeups.

I noticed 26-2 was a rooftop shot of the city. Not sure why they would waste bandwidth with that.

-AKH

Yes the motion artifacts are annoying.

Originally posted by PCS
On another note has anyone else lost WKET and WHAS from Insight HD cable? What's up with this?

Yes, I've also lost WHAS and KET HD on Insight... :confused: The Game Show Network is still on! :rolleyes:

Artifacts are making me sick. Nice shot of the city though. Any purpose to this madness of continuing to broadcast subchannels when HD is on?

I gather WLKY DT26 is not capable of DD5.1 audio? I'm certainly not getting it but I know from satellite it is there for the Butler game anyway.

The stereo senses a DD signal but no sub and rear channels. On the satellite feed it senses a DD5.1 signal and all spkrs are in use. (Not just the indicators... I can hear the distinct sounds).

-AKH

akh, My Denon receiver doesn't sense any DD51 on WLKY. Switches to Dolby Pro Logic II.

CBS just showed their 30 sec HD promo. It looked like hell on WLKY26-1. I sent them a note, let's hope they can tweak this.

Nice use of technology WLKY - showing the IU game on cable channel 5 and the MS ST game on OTA 26.1. I am not getting any motion artifacts on the MS ST game and did not get any on the Louisville game. WLKY must have kicked up the power, as I am picking it up strong on a pair of rabbit ears.

Anyone notice lip-sync problems on WHAS-DT this evening? Seemed about 100ms or more off. Also, I noticed some of the motion artifacts on WLKY's broadcast and the CBS promo looked kindof crappy as well - I know this promo looks better than what I saw this evening. I hope the locals WLKY and WAVE give up the sub-channels. I may need to go back to ExpressVu. *sigh*.

Here is an attempt to construct 2 pictures which show the artifact issues on WLKY. The third picture has no pixelation problems, because there were no moving images.

Here is the link:
http://www.louisvillehdtv.com/pixelation.aspx

First picture, look at the hands (which were moving)
Second picture, look at the background, and edge of face
Last picture looks pretty decent, no pixelation issues, no moving images

I'll send info to WLKY because they prob don't know about issue (?)

Fast moving CBS graphics a bit easier to see the problems:
http://www.louisvillehdtv.com/pixelation2.aspx

Originally posted by cambus
Fast moving CBS graphics a bit easier to see the problems:
http://www.louisvillehdtv.com/pixelation2.aspx

What you are seeing with the NCAA logo is the same as what I am seeing. The problems you had in the first posted pix I'd probably shrug off if that was as bad as it got... But I see much worse than those quite often. I also saw them on the satellite feed... altho MAYBE not as bad as the 26DT pics.

I see the artifacts pretty much on all the HD channels that I get tho.... and have been wondering if it was normal or a problem with my equip. ...or if some receivers are better at handling it over others.

I was hoping when WAVE and WLKY got on the air I'd finally have a consistent quality HD source and would see those artifacts greatly reduced over satellite HD feeds. Hmmmmmmmmm

-AKH
Toshiba DST3000
Samsung 4715 HDTV

I can't say I've seen WLKY or WAVE's HD feeds, but during the transition logo effect during ABC/WHAS's Superbowl Broadcast, those motion artifacts were also present, and that's with 720p source material and no subchannel. Cambus, can you make some pics of the Louisville game?

Hmm.. Also, something interesting with channel 96 coming up on the Insight HD box, if you unplug the HD box from the cable, it will black out all the channels except for 96, which will just have analog static. So, I'm assuming they're just letting the box show the analog channel. I wonder why they're not doing this for all the analog channels? My box was unplugged for most of the day, so I don't know if ABC and KET were out on it, but they're on it right now.

stovetop, WHAS is converting the 720p HD signal to 1080i for rebroadcast - this will cause some artifacts for this reason alone. I wish they would let the native 720p be used. My understanding is 720p is better at reducing motion artifacts since it is a progressive image vs interlaced.

Also, I just checked the mpeg stream that WLKY was broadcasting last night and it was only 15Mb , so they was wasting 4.3Mb on the other sub-channel. I've usually gotten 19.3Mb stream from them so they were downconverting the image.

In my best Dick Vitale imitation, Come on Cambus baabee show us some luuve baabee. We gotta get some pix of the actual UofL game.

PLEASE!

WHAS and KET are still off on Insight HD for me as of 12:30PM today. :( If it's off much longer I'll give them a call to see whats up. (If they know...) I haven't seen HD on Insight since Wednesday night...

Is anyone other than Stovetop getting WHAS and KET on Insight HD right now?

Stovetop, was your box literally unplugged from the electrical power yesterday? If so, I'm curious if they tried to download an update that didn't work and since yours was unplugged you didn't get it...

With the help of this website:
DCT5100 FAQ (http://mywebpages.comcast.net/miatasm/HT/5100FAQ.htm#How%20can%20I%20check%20the%20Firmware%20version %20of%20my%20DCT5100?)

I just checked my firmware version and it showed:
Firmware Version: 2.14
Bootloader Version: 2.16

This is the first time I've checked the firmware version, so I'm not sure if it has been updated. If Stovetop is still seeing WHAS and KET and his box was unplugged we might be able to find out?

GregJKY, I've been getting 762, 764-767 just fine (I just checked). I was watching the games yesterday on my Hipix so I wasn't using Insight at all (its on a different HDtV unit anyway :) ).

No HD on inisight here other than the game show network.

gregJKY, still receiving all the channels on Insight HDTV STB, including the "wonderful" game show network. Been watching BB OTA.