This simply worked for me in WinXP:

1. Install Catalyst 4.7
2. Run ATICVPATCH
3. Remove all video cables
4. Restart
5. Plug in YPbPr breakout cable

One oddity, I'm using a Gigabyte 9550 card that has DVI-I, VGA, and SVideo out. I had to use the DVI-I port with the supplied DVI-I->HD15 adapter and then plug the VGA breakout cable to that. VGA port on the card wasn't outputting YPbPr.

In answer to the question about custom resolutions in the Catalyst driver, yes, I was able to access the YPbPr monitor settings and save a custom timing for 1280x720p. So my Windows desktop is 1280x720 and fills my 16:9 HDTV with no overscan.

Woo hoo! :D

ryancampbell,

So does that mean that the vga output is still outputing a vga signal? The original post said that the yprpb signal was sent to both ports, but it sounds like it only goes to the dvi port with newer cards. I'm interested in connecting an hdtv and a vga monitor at the same time, so this would be great.

Also, has anyone tried an ati radeon x300/x600/x800 yet? It looks like those only output hdtv through the s-video port, so I don't think this would work on any of these video cards.

As far as I can tell the VGA port is just dead in this configuration. When I go to the monitors tab inthe display properties, YPbPr is shown active and the computer monitor tab is shown powered off. If I try to enable the monitor, YPbPr powers off.

No big deal for my needs, I don't see any signal degradation going through the little DVI-I -> HD15 adapter. To my eyes this setup looks a lot crisper and more natural (wider colorspace?) than my transcoder did.

So you can swithc between the two without restarting? That would still be good for me. I've got a CRT rear projection TV, so if I use it as my main monitor i'm worried that it would get left on over night.

Actually, I hadn't tried plugging in a monitor since I only need the projector.

But when I did plug it in, the Displays tab now lets me power on both a monitor and YPbPr at the same time. I can get the same output on both, though my 4x3 monitor has to use a virtual desktop to show the main monitor's 1280x720. It can also do separate desktops (extended desktop), each having it's own resolution and aspect ratio.

All in all, it behaves just like there were two regular monitors attached, one of them just happnes to get the YPbPr colorspace output.

Again, the YPbPr is going out the DVI-I output, through a regular DVI-I->HD15 dongle that was supplied with the card, then through a HD15->RGBHV cable with only the RGB leads hooked up to my projector. The monitor is using the regular old HD15 port with a regular old VGA cable.

Hope this works for you.

-Ryan

Well, this may be a little odd sounding but is there a way to get a regular old CRT monitor to work with the HDTV outputs?

Let me tell you what I did and see if any monitor/ HDTV gurus can help. I have a Radion 9800 pro All in Wonder and two HD15 analog monitors and only one way to connect a HD15 monitor using the DVI converter. The card does have a 3 end RCA cable to connect to a HDTV component though. What I did was make a HD15 to RCA breakout cable using the information in this thread and plugged it into the card and SHAZAM! I have a second monitor... except it is this 1980's era green.

Now, I am at a loss as to whether this can be corrected and made to work with what I have or not. I have the latest Powerstrip but nothing I fiddled with made any difference and my knowledge of monitors and HDTV's is effectively just enough to do real damage.

Any help would be greatly appreciated since I don't want to buy a DVI monitor (so I can use a DVI analog splitter) just so I can run duel monitors.

I can't get any sort of PCI card to work with the ATI so that set up won't work either.

I have xp and would like to get this to work, does anyone know how the video card detects the dongle so that maybe we could fool the card into thinking that the dongle was connected when it wasn't? This would allow a setup that wouldn't require registry editing and would work under xp.

Does anyone have a current source for ATICVPatch?

ryancampbell, do you have to remove the breakout cable when you restart the computer everytime in order to maintain it's functionality or can you just leave both displays plugged in at all times?

Originally posted by jj2882
Does anyone have a current source for ATICVPatch?

http://luzi.vip.sina.com/jd/ATICVPatch.zip

iguanaman

You can leave either no displays or both displays connected when booting, or if you don't really need the monitor you could use a vga dummy plug as described here:


w ww.modasylum.com/guides.php?guide=18


so you if you only have a TV connected you don't have to unplug it every time you boot up. You could probably use 68 ohm or 82 ohm resistors if you can't get 75 ohm. I used 68 ohm and it works fine.

Well, all modern Radeon cards don't suffer from that problem. You can boot with just the TV out connected all day without any problems with virtually any version of Catalyst. So that really wouldn't apply here.

Not TV out, I'm talking about component output to TV using dongle or registry patch.

Awesome! :D I just built one of these adapters and it works a treat!

Being a newbie to HTPC's - The night before I was mucking about trying to get S-Video ("TV Out") to work - got it working alright - but yuk! Crappy resolution, "noisy" picture etc.. definitely no good for HDTV, DVD's etc..

Yesterday, found this forum (among other info on the 'net), built the adapter, installed ATICVPatch and viola! Now I'm getting an excellent picture!

The only problem is I can only get it working out the VGA port. When I hook into the DVI port using the supplied DVI-to-VGA adapter, I get nothing. I think I read somewhere that there's a tweak for this, so I s'pose I'll go tweak some more. I'm happy I got this far.

I wonder if PowerStrip can help me get even better? I suspect I'm not yet getting the very best out of my Sony Plasma. I' guess I'll go do some more reading and tweaking.

I'm using:-
Sony KZ-42TS1E 106cm Plasma TV
HTPC:-
AMD Athlon 3000+ running on a "Gigabyte" brand MicroATX motherboard
512Mb DDR
ATI Radeon 9550
DVICO FusionHDTV DVB-T1 receiver card
120Gb 7200rpm Seagate Barracuda
Pioneer DVR-108bk 16x DVD+-R/RW Dual Layer burner
Win XP Home (hoping to move to KnoppMyth soon - i.e a Linux distro with MythTV)

All packed into a sweet little Antec Aria MicroATX case. I can't speak more highly of this case for use as a media / HTPC - it's beautiful!

Hello all...I am new to the HTPC world...though I have been reading the posts for a year.

So here is the scoop...I have just built my HTPC with the following components:

Silverstone Lascala LC01 case
ASUS P5AD2 Premium Motherboard
ASUS EAX600XT Video card
P4-3.2GHZ processor
1 Gb of Ram
Maxtor 250Gb SATA hard Drive
LG 16x DVD Burner
Gyration Wireless Keyboard and Mouse
Windows XP Pro

So overall, I am 8/10ths happy so far.

I have just loaded Showshifter 2.1 and it appears to be working fairly well in comparision to Snapstream Beyond which I could not get to function 100%.

Right now I have both a monitor hooked up to my DVI output through the adaptor. Also I have the my Toshiba TP61H95 rear projection TV hooked up through the supplied component output cable. I have the TV set up as the primary monitor and the monitor as the secondary with an extended desktop. I have dragged the taskbar over to it as well as opening all the software and dragged the windows over to it. So now when I run the software it opens on the monitor, not the TV. The only thing I really run on the TV is Showshifter and the odd email. When I set the monitor up as the primary display device, I had some problems with the video being blacked out on the TV with some things like DVD's being played on it.

So here is the problem...I am only able to get the output of 704px480p on the TV. Even when I tried Powerstrip I could not really find anything that would get anything higher. It is amazing I didn't blow up the TV...You can get some really strange things happening on it! It didn't matter if I marked the output as interlaced, windows seemed to make it progressive anyways with a virtual desktop...

I tried to set up a resolution of 1440i x1080i and so many others, but no luck. Either they did not work (weird TV signal) or a virtual desktop.

I need HDTV!!! If I blew up the TV, I probably would have bought a projector.

My ultimate goal is to get rid of the monitor and just use the tv, but don't think I can do so with a desktop of 704x480.

Has anyone got a resolution of up to 960i - 1080i on a ATI X600 or 9600 working on a HDTV? I am not worried about a little over/underscan as I can get into the service mode of the tv to accomodate some variation.

The only other item if some assistance can be given is how can I turn off the autosensing jack function of the built in High definition CMedia Audio card on the ASUS P5AD2? Every time I reboot the pc, it loses the speaker setting on the jacks. I am thinking there must be some registry hack. It is probably because I have the line outputs directly hooked up to the 5 channel ADCOM amp...Note to everyone, ensure you turn off the amp before the computer is rebooted. It generates some loud speaker pops if you don't.

I'm using an ATI Radeon 9600 (Sapphire Atlantis) card to output component without the dongle via the DVI port and a DVI -> VGA -> VGA breakout cable and the ATICVPATCH software. Everything works fine except at boot time. The component connections (Y,Pb, Pr) cannot all be connected during the boot process or Win2K supposedly senses an analog VGA connection on the DVI port and prevents component output. Just a single connection, any of the 3 component leads, can be disconnected and it'll be fine if you reconnect the cable to the TV after bootup. The TV in this case is a Sony KDF50WE655.

I've tried connecting a VGA monitor to the VGA port as well as keeping the component cables hooked to the TV but this seemed to just enable the VGA port if I recall correctly. I don't think this is an EDID issue . Can this behavior be corrected for in the registry so that the component out will occur even if the component cables are all connected?

I actually have an unopened DVI dongle but my setup is not ideally suited for it. I'm running VGA out to a MyHD cable (DB15) that internally switches between it's own output and a VGA passthru. The MyHD card is also setup for component via software setting so the common VGA cable between the 2 cards is setup for component on both sources so a VGA breakout cable then feeds the component input on the TV. Using this dongle would require a component -> VGA cable and eliminate the DVI->VGA adapter. Or simply a VGA dongle after the adapter rather than the DVI dongle. Or the use of 2 component inputs rather than just a single. The current cabling scheme is ideal but I can't get rid of the bootup problem without temporarily disconnecting a component input.

Is there a way around it?

mlcarson,

I have the same video card and run DVI->VGA->Component cable as you are.

YPbPr conected to plasma and VGA also connected to the plasma. Everything works fine, no boot issues but i run XP.

The closest I've been able to come is to set the Display scheme to "Switch amongst displays" and assign a hotkey of ALT+F5. I can then login and immediately hit this key combo and get everything displayed via component input without doing cable disconnects. I've tried both the Catalyst Control Center and the ATI Control panel but neither would keep the component input as the default unless the cable was disconnected at boot. Maybe it's a W2K only thing. I've scoured the registry and always see 3 displays in the ATI2MTAG\Device0 key:
Mon10000001
Mon10000002
Mon10000003

Mon10000001 is always the default.
Mon10000002 is the component output.
The following key has all of the flags for Device 0 but I don't see where either Mon10000001 or Mon10000002 is selected.

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\ati2mta g\Device0

[edit]
And in case I wasn't clear, the default display is the DVI port -- the same port that the component is going out -- not the VGA port. It would be the top right one in the ATI control panel rather than the top left. Since the component and the DVI are the same port, I can see why the driver might activate both. Using the switch amongst displays via ALT+F5, I attached a VGA monitor to the DVI port and it was indeed receiving a VGA signal and ALT-F5 would then swap it to component. With the dongle, this port is inactive in the display so I guess what I really need is a way to deactivate the DVI port without killing the component out. And just for testing purposes, I connected the monitor to the real VGA port and was receiving a component out on the DVI to my TV and a VGA signal over the VGA port for a cloned display until I rebooted. This activated the top left monitor in the ATI control panel until it was removed.

BTW, the dongle added a 4th display above called Mon10000000. It also worked perfectly during a reboot.

Originally posted by shigaloo
mlcarson,

I have the same video card and run DVI->VGA->Component cable as you are.

YPbPr conected to plasma and VGA also connected to the plasma. Everything works fine, no boot issues but i run XP.

FYI, I get the same results as mcarlson in XP Pro and XP media center edition.

Instead of using the built-in switch between displays profile, I set up a new profile that just has the YPbPr display and assigned it to Alt-F6. That way whenever I hit Alt-F6, it jumps to the right display profile no matter what state it's in at the time.

I'm a tiny bit confused about building the adapter itself...

Why do I need 75 Ohm wire? Can't I solder the wires from the RCA cables directly onto a HD15 adapter?

Also, how do I know which wire is the lead and which is ground on an RCA cable?

Thanks...

I gave up on this. I had one adapter (DVI) and actually purchased another one (VGA) and am using them in combo with a short RCA interconnect.

DVI->RCA ->RCA ->VGA -> MyHD card -> VGA breakout to TV (component)
The RCA section is about 3 inches. Placing the adapter after the MyHD card wouldn't work. I only had one other set of component connections on the TV which were being used by the DVD player so the MyHD passthru was a requirement.

I believe the MyHD passthru was always indicating to the software that the DVI connection was active rather than the HDTV component. I seem to remember the same thing happening with just a direct connection to the TV too though. The HDTV connection would work but would always be secondary. I would have loved to have gotten this to work with a direct connection to the MyHD card (no dongle) but it just wasn't worth the cost in time or money with another available solution.

mlcarson, did your shappire 9600 come with a dongle becasuse i contacted shappire and they said it came with a dongle but when i brought it to the store they said they did not come with shappires. i suspect the store fro jipping ppl off. thanks

My card is a SAPPHIRE -- not Shappire -- Atlantis 9600 (256MB) and did not come with a dongle. I purchased 2 of them separately (one for DVI and one for VGA) due to the unusual wiring situation I had with the MyHD. The video cards I got were from NewEgg and they did not come with the dongle. I didn't know that any did so I don't think you got ripped off.

AFAIK, none of the 8XXX/9XXX series cards come with the dongle....

Rich

Originally posted by sofakng
Why do I need 75 Ohm wire? Can't I solder the wires from the RCA cables directly onto a HD15 adapter?

Sure you can! 75 Ohm cables are video specific and give the best results.
If you use a normal cable you may have signal's loss.

You can buy a component video cable, cut it and solder the wires into the VGA connector.
I suggest you to check that the cable is 75 Ohm (the component cables are always 75 Ohm), and not to buy the cheap RCA-Audio and Video cable (the ones with the red-white-yellow connectors) because quite often they're not 75 Ohm.

Originally posted by sofakng
Also, how do I know which wire is the lead and which is ground on an RCA cable?

In an RCA the lead is the central pin, the groud is the external box. If you open the connetcor you have the lead, the ground is the other :)

I have a question for you, i'm confused:
i've made the VGA-Component cable, following the tutorial. Now i want to connect my Media Center via component video to my LG LCD.
My gear is:
OS: Windows Media Center 2005
Video Card: Shapphire ATI 9250
Catalyst 5.2

I applied the patch but nothing has happened when i reboot even if i disconnect-reconnect the cable as mentioned. I can only see noise on the screen.

I just want to know if there's a way to get it working or if i must change the video card because it's not compatible. Moreover i'd like to know if the ATIpatch is compatible with XP Media Center and Catalyst 5.2.

Thanx a lot!

Originally posted by mcgrelio
I have a question for you, i'm confused:

....

i'd like to know if the ATIpatch is compatible with XP Media Center and Catalyst 5.2.

Thanx a lot!

it is and should work with a 9250.

Did you go into

Display Properties -> Settings -> Advanced -> Displays

and activate/select YPbPr?

If not, do so. If you don't see the option, something isnt right.

Also remember, the component signal might be on the DVI port.

Originally posted by shigaloo
it is and should work with a 9250.

Did you go into

Display Properties -> Settings -> Advanced -> Displays

and activate/select YPbPr?

If not, do so. If you don't see the option, something isnt right.
Also remember, the component signal might be on the DVI port.
The problem is that i can't see that option :(
I've installed catalyst 5.2, and then applied the patch.
In the panel i can't see the component option :(
Are you shure that that patch is compatible with catalyst 5.2, XP MCE 2005 and ATI 9250?

This thread speaks of VGA->Component, the signal being passed either through the vga port and the dvi one. Isnt't it?
The tutorial doesn't teach how to make a DVI->Component cable!?!
Thanx for your help!!

I'm curious ... this doesn't work on "ANY" radeon card does it? Can a 7000 or a 7500 be used? I have some laying around.

CFC

Originally posted by mcgrelio
Are you shure that that patch is compatible with catalyst 5.2, XP MCE 2005 and ATI 9250?


not sure about the 9250, it works on my 9600 and 9800pro (both on the dvi port)

ATI has a page on there website that lists compatability with the component dongle, try to find it... ok here it is, sorry I dont see the 9250

http://www.ati.com/products/hdtvadapter/specs.html


Originally posted by mcgrelio


This thread speaks of VGA->Component, the signal being passed either through the vga port and the dvi one. Isnt't it?
The tutorial doesn't teach how to make a DVI->Component cable!?!
Thanx for your help!!

just use a dvi - vga converter and then your fancy new cable ;)

Originally posted by CFC
I'm curious ... this doesn't work on "ANY" radeon card does it? Can a 7000 or a 7500 be used? I have some laying around.

CFC
In this thread someone said that every RADEON from 8500 works, at least with Win98. It was said that not only the cards that support the dongle can work, bacause tha patch unlock the capability get Component from VGA.

Originally posted by shigaloo
not sure about the 9250, it works on my 9600 and 9800pro (both on the dvi port)

ATI has a page on there website that lists compatability with the component dongle, try to find it... ok here it is, sorry I dont see the 9250


Well, i can buy a 9600 but i remember deadnite saying that every RADEON from 8500 can do the job.

Originally posted by shigaloo
just use a dvi - vga converter and then your fancy new cable ;)
Sure i can but... Why not to buy a DVI connector instead of making this funny chain?!?!? He he he.
In POST #263 it works on VGA port and not on the DVI
In POST #265 it works on the DVI.

I remember it was said that the signal is sent both to the vga and dvi ports.

However my first problem is to get the patch working, showing the option in the panel.
I can try a different version of catalyst, i'm searching for it.

How about PCIe version X300 & X600. Does it this card capable of outputting component video out?

Ok, finally i have a 9600.
Now I can install the patch and see the modified ATI Display Panel. Now the problem is that the 9600 card doesn't output the RGB signal on the VGA channel but on the DVI only.
Now I have a choice: buy a vga>dvi connector or modifying my vga>component cable into a dvi>component one, cutting the vga connector and soldering the dvi one.
Here's the pinouts:
http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_Digital_Visual_Interface_DVI_Bus.html
Did anybody do this?

mcgrelio

i use a dvi to vga adapter

Originally posted by shigaloo
mcgrelio

i use a dvi to vga adapter
Ok, it's probably the best and cheapest solution :) I'll do that.
What about the cable disconnection before each reboot? Has anybody find a solution for that?
I have just an LCD monitor plugged into the card. I think i must have a vga dummy and then switch between the outputs (the dummy and the component).
Is it possible to make a little program to do that automatically at boot time?

I got it work on a Radeon 9250...but, the red color is missing from the picture (It just looks like only the blue and green RCA jacks were plugged to the TV).
It seems the red RCA jack does not work (I tried to plug/unplug it from my tv, it make no difference)---but when I checked the cable I made with a multi-meter, all the connections are good.
And the component video signal is only output through the DVI port. (and I have to boot first with only the s-video plugged in).

What is my problem? Why the red color is missing from the TV?
Thank you.

I have been watching this thread for over a year but I'm new to the forum. Here is my experience and a few tips N' tricks with 8500, 8500LE, 9000, 9200 on Windows XP. Note again, it's XP and the working result is on 8500/8500LE.

8500, 8500LE --------------------------------------------------

1/ First of all, it is always a good idea to have a laptop or another PC where you can remotely control your HTPC since the screen may become garbled during test. Use VNC or PCAnywhere instead of Remote Desktop.

2/ Registry hack isn't really needed with the ATICVPatch. ATICVPatch already does everything you need with the registry except the DAL_CVDeviceData entry. You might need to change it once to enable different output modes and screen aspect ratio, after you enable the Component Output.

3/ The break out cable doesn't have to be disconnected at anytime while you can always keep the S-Video cable attached. You will lost the S-Video connection after you switch your output to Component. (I use new ATI Control Center so I can do the switch)

4/ Old ATI Control Panel will always disappear with 8500. The new Control Center release after Catalyst 5.2 works and you can switch the display after you apply the ATICVPatch. (I think the disappearing bug is on the Control Panel rather than on the driver itself.)

5/ Make sure you have the initial resolution set to 640x480 @ 30Hz for first attempt using the Windows's build-in display control. It will give you a flickering, eye-itching 480i resolution. (When the resolution is at 640x480 and you execute the Control Center, it will ask you to change the resolution to 800x600. This is the time where remote control comes to do the job. Sometimes the image becomes garbled due to timing issue. You can change whatever you want remotely without look at the garbled screen.)

6/ Don't bother to try to enable multi-head output. It won't work since it was clearly stated by the ATI where Component Output will be the only output after it is properly enabled.

7/ PStripe is still necessary to do some screen geometry correction or to overcome overscan/underscan.

9000 & 9200 --------------------------------------------------

1/ 9000 (non-pro) and 92xx series won't work due to hardware design. They can produce the right timing but it doesn't output the color signals correctly to the connection pins. That's why you can see the dark bluish image.

2/ I figure out that the circuit somehow becomes associated with the TV-Out output. I found that TV-Out has to be enable in order to get a readable image with the Component Output. If you disable the TV-Out, the image on the Component Output will be gone too.

3/ Inside the Control Center (not Control Panel) you can't see the HDTV icon at all. I guess that means the driver doesn't report that it is able to handle HDTV output to the Control Center so the icon is missing. You won't see a YPbPr option in Control Panel too.

4/ Both 9000 and 9200 cards I have are using common PCB layout. May be I will try to do a little bit more tests on that & come back later.

5/ Double checked the specifications of the following low end chips shown that they do not native support Component YPbPr output. Someone said 9000Pro works but I don't know. :)

Radeon, 9200, 7000, 7200, 7500, 9000 series, 9200 series.

Questions -------------------------------------------------------

Question: Does anyone knows how I can enable the Component signal output under LINUX?

Another stupid question: Why people still want Component Output while their equipment has VGA input???

Whew! I finally made it through this entire thread. Good job everyone. Thanks for the research.

I bought the ATI DVI->Component dongle awhile ago. I need 480p component output to my Samsung EDTV. I'm going to run home and try this patch on my ATI AIW 9000Pro now!


I'll post my results and confirm cow_cow's findings.

-jonatj

Wow, I didn't expect it to work, but it did.

I just ran the ATICVPatch.exe and checked Enable YPbPr Output, 480i and 480p. I powered it off then I connected the component cable to the TV and the DVI->Component adapter to the ATI AIW 9000Pro. When I rebooted I checked both S-Video and Component outputs on the TV. The S-Video was active from POST to Windows Desktop, but the component output only flickered until the Windows Desktop then it was pinkish and out of sync. I have Windows MCE 2k5 load on startup and I was shocked when I got a stable (but ugly) picture once the overlay kicked in.

So now I just need to tweak the PStrip settings and hopefully get a perfect picture.

Sweet! I am amazed that I've got the ATI AIW 9000 Pro working with the ATI dongle AND I have it working with Windows MCE 2k5. I've been told that both of these things were impossible. I'm never parting with my $99 Compusa special. OMG! It is the best card ever!

If anyone needs my settings to help them out let me know. And if anyone has recommended 640x480p refresh settings for a Samsung TXN2745FP Dynaflat Pro EDTV that would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks so much to dethnite for starting the thread and Luzi for creating the ATICVPatch!

-jonatj

Update for Luzi - I think you can add the Radeon 9000 Pro series to the Adapter List in ATICVPatch.

Update for cow_cow - As I mentioned earlier, both S-video and YPbPr component outputs were active at the same time. Turning off TV-Out had no effect on the display of the component image (still wasn't nice, but it still worked).

jonatj

I later check a number of 3rd party hardware sites and found that 9000 Pro graphic engine actually has HDTV output capabilities. :)

You can get a component dongle on e-bay for less then $10.
I did.

I have a slim PC...

My Radeon 9550 only has 2 outputs, VGA and S-video (no DVI). I asume it will work, since I only have one output option for the ATICVPATCH.

I want to try this patch, but I would be testing it at a friends house (i dont have a component enabled TV).

After installing (and checking the 480p/i ect) will this disable support for my LCD monitor? will I have to rely on RealVNC or something of that sort?

How do you uninstall it, once I am done using the component?

Basically, is it a pain in the ass to switch back and forth?

CC,

The ATICVPatch just adds some registry settings. Specifically the ones mentioned in the post (HDTV_ENABLE, etc). The added settings shouldn't have any adverse affect on your LCD display, but if it does, I think you can also revert to previous settings by using the ATICVPatch and unchecking the boxes. Or just delete the registry settings yourself. I don't think uninstalling is really necessary.

It would be a good idea to have RealVNC or pcAnywhere available, odds are the picture won't be perfect and you'll have to navigate somehow. Although, for me, I just had both the S-Video and component cables plugged into my TV and just switched between the inputs on the remote. My S-Video output on the card never was disabled and was always a clear display.

-jonatj

johnatj, i spend a little more time to do some research on the 9000Pro. I guess the reason why 9000Pro has HDTV capability is because the Rage Theatre Chip circuit was built into the 9000Pro. Although ATI never stated it supports HDTV output.

I have applied the ATICVPATCH patch to Catalyst 5.3 in XP Pro successfully and I'm getting a picture but I can not get it to look right. By that I mean if I use the patch to go to one of those resolutions I either get a desktop that is too small or too big. I have used powerstrip to change the resolution while in 480p, 720p, and 1080i mode with no luck. I came close in 720p mode getting my desktop to look good but none of my video players would work in full screen mode. My projector is able to handle 480p, 720p, and 1080i. Before when I had it hooked up to the VGA port my projector would be in 480p mode and I had my desktop at 1024x768 and it looked great. What do I need to do to get it looking and working right? Here is what I'm using:

ATI 9800 XT
Infocus X1
Pioneer VSX-1014TX

I have read this thread till my eyes are bleeding so any help is appreciated

Hey everyone,

I've read most of the back posts but there are some issues I'm still not certain of...

1) This is a bit offtopic but is there any difference anyone knows if between a ATI DVI -> component adapter/dongle and a DVI -> VGA together with a ATI VGA -> component adapter? From what I've read, most people have had no problem using this combination but I would be interested to know if anyone has or if anyone knows if any difference.

2) Is there any disadvantage to using the ATI dongle other then price? From what I can gather there is none but I'm not certain. I believe I can try to make custom res, adjust timings etc with PowerStrip even while using the dongle but I'm not sure.

3) Finally has anyone managed to get PAL output e.g 576i to work? With a ATI dongle or a homemade/custom made thing?

Thanks for the help

I can't get CCC to properly output the included ATi 'custom' rez after applying this patch. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5535640#post5535640 Any ideas, experiences, or knowledge you'd care to share?

I know this isn't exciting and cutting edge, but I'm attempting to get component out to work on a standard def CRT with no luck. Spend all night trying...

I've built the cable, applied the patch and tried both omega drivers and ATI drivers.

The closest I have come is a unstable jiggly pink picture in which I can vaguely make out the desktop.

I've run at 640 x480 33hz and the "640 x 400 Arcade" mode in powerstrip.

Also tried fiddling with the pstrip timings randomly, but it didn't improve anything (the pstrip stuff is over my head).

Any experts out there have suggestions?

Running a Radeon 8500 using a db15 to component cable. Also have the s-video output connected to the TV (this is working OK).

I've booted with and without all cables attached, no difference.

Thanks in advance.

does anybody know if the ATI Radeon 9200 is capable of ouputting component video. and if not, what ati card should i get instead? (i already have a 9200, so i'd like to use it if possible) i also have Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005, i was wondering if anyone had any updates on getting this to work with winxp. thanks so much

I know this isn't exciting and cutting edge, but I'm attempting to get component out to work on a standard def CRT with no luck. Spend all night trying...

I've built the cable, applied the patch and tried both omega drivers and ATI drivers.

The closest I have come is a unstable jiggly pink picture in which I can vaguely make out the desktop.

I've run at 640 x480 33hz and the "640 x 400 Arcade" mode in powerstrip.

Also tried fiddling with the pstrip timings randomly, but it didn't improve anything (the pstrip stuff is over my head).

Any experts out there have suggestions?

Running a Radeon 8500 using a db15 to component cable. Also have the s-video output connected to the TV (this is working OK).

I've booted with and without all cables attached, no difference.

Thanks in advance.

Make sure you use Control Center rather than Control Panel. Control Center doesn't have the bug that causes pinky screen. Standard CRT will only allow 480i resolution assuming it accepts component input.

does anybody know if the ATI Radeon 9200 is capable of ouputting component video. and if not, what ati card should i get instead? (i already have a 9200, so i'd like to use it if possible) i also have Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005, i was wondering if anyone had any updates on getting this to work with winxp. thanks so much

Cards without component output:
7000, 7100, 7200, 7500, 9000, 9200, 9250

Cards with Component output:
8500 (on vga port), 9000 pro (not all works), 9500, 9550, 9600, 9700, 9800, X series

Only 8500 uses VGA port to output the component signal. Others are using the DVI port but only on the analog pins, so make sure you get a DVI-VGA converter on 9xxx and X series cards.

Get yourself a cheap 9550 with 64M will do everything for you, which can still be easily found in the market with very low price. Something like USD50.

Sorry, slightly off topic but is there a way to use YPrPb and the s-video and the same time on the X800 Pro?

I would like to connect my laptop to the tv.

Will this solution work? Can I make the VGA output of the laptop output YPbPr, while the laptop screen still works?

Any idea if my laptop can output YPbPr at all or will I need a transcoder? Video card is mobility 9700, vga/svideo outputs (no dvi), older drivers (acer has not released catalyst drivers yet)

hey ya'll, i've read through this whole thread and i can't get my setup to work!

I've got a radeon 9600se (dvi and svideo out), i have a dvi->vga adapter, and a vga->component cable (from monoprice , item number 2170) -- i can't post links cause i have under 5 posts...

I have tried using the aticvpatch, but i don't see any ypbpr options or anything like that, i also have the newest version of catalyst


here's a link to what my tv looks like (i have PIP w/svideo and the dvi->vga->component "chain") -- jrin d0t net / avsforum

I"ve been trying w/this for THREE days now for HOURS!! lol, please any help would be GREATLY appreciated!!!

Just buy the damn Component dongle and be done with it. Three days to me is much more valuable than the cost of the dongle. You can get it from NewEgg for less than at ATI.

I’ve been trying to connect a Samsung CRT HDTV to an ATI9600SE using a DVI-Component adapter for a couple of weeks without success. I’m hoping that some of the many knowledgeable people in this forum can be of assistance. Here’s what I have done thus far:
1. Purchased a DVI-to-Component adapter from Monoprice and followed the directions in the ATI manual. Used the most current Catalyst drivers from ATI. Set the dip switches to 480i, 480p, 1080i, and 16/9 on (720p not supported on the Samsung). Selected 640x480 60hz. Display on the Samsung was scrambled and unsynched. Numerous other 60hz display resolution options attempted and all were scrambled.
2. Downloaded and installed ATICVPatch. Didn’t seem to make any difference.
3. Rolled back to Catalyst 4.3 with ATICVPatch. No difference.
4. Figured the generic adapter might be the problem, so I bought the actual ATI adapter from Newegg (purple DVI-Component Adapter). No difference.
5. I’ve read many great posts in this forum on how to setup the adapter, followed the advice presented, but have had no success thus far. Can anyone confirm that the ATI9600SE is compatible with the DVI-Component Adapter?
6. In the ATI DVI-Component Adapter Manual, there is one illustration showing the DVI-Component Adapter being used to connect to a Digital Flat Panel and an AGP-Component Adapter being used to connect to a CRT display. Does this mean that I should be using an AGP-Component adapter instead of the DVI-Component adapter since I’m connecting to a CRT HDTV? Since the DVI-I port on the 9600SE includes AGP pins, I doubt that using the AGP-Component adapter would make a difference.
7. Any suggestions? I hate to think that I’m stuck with an S-Video connection to the HDTV. Thanks, Steve C.

Update to previous post: I bought the ATI VGA-Component Adapter from Newegg and it doesn't work either. Same results as the ATI DVI-Component Adapter. I think that I've tried every combination that I can think of to try to get component video from an ATI9600SE to a Samsung CRT HDTV. Can anyone confirm that a 9600SE should work with the ATI adapters? Are there different versions of 9600SE's out there made by different companies that might not be compatible? Is it time for me to buy another video card?
Thanks,
Steve C.

Scherry,

Try the 1080i resolution at 30FPS(1920x1080 @ 30 FPS interlaced). Use the CAT 5.13 Drivers not the latest CAT 6.1 drivers that came out yesterday. The Cat 6.1s have some 1080i problems. Your TV might not work with it though. I have seen some CRT displays that just do not do well with a Computer. Maybe it is time to upgrade. Check out this link for some more help.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=469093

Thanks for the advice. I apologize for not responding earlier, but out of town and offline for the past few weeks. I tried the settings that you suggested, but only using the newest drivers and it didn't work. I'll download the older drivers and give them a try later today. I also now have another HDTV, an Akai 42" projection (actually made by Samsung) and I get exactly the same results with it. I put the two sets next to each other, hooked up the Samsung to s-video and the Akai to the dvi-component adaptor and activated both displays using the ATI control center. Using the Samsung via s-video, I can change the settings for the Akai and watch real-time as they are take affect. The Akai display does change with different settings, but is always unsynched. The new ATI control center does allow forcing HDTV settings (including the one you suggested), but that also leads to an unsynched display.
My 9700SE is not an ATI produced card, but was produced by another maker. I read somewhere that the dvi-component adaptor may not work with some second-party produced cards, so that could be the problem.
Thanks again for the guidance.
Steve C.

Solved all problems by getting a new 9600SE card. ATI dongle works perfectly now.

1. So ATI and its partner can earn 10X profit.
2. At elast for old VGA card that has either DAC on chip or ext, re-programming DAC can simply output RGB or YPbPr. They use lookup table for transcoder. So, if we can reprogramming the VGA chip's h/w register we can do everything - resolution to component. Of course, resolution change lead to driver support.
3. DVI-A has RGB output and you can simply wire it out to VGA RGB. My problem is - seeking here hacker's help - my Toshiba 50HP16 Plasma has problem with RGB connection from PC-XP.
I tried realplayer and media player, the TV works only for 1024x768 when set at WXGA (may work for 640x480 - 800x600 under WVGA), TV has full scan if not video plays. Otherwise, no matter how small the video window, it maps fully on TV but after convert 16x9 to 4x3, then 4x3 to 16x9 - under scan with grey on L/R and Block on T/B. I don't know who is so stupid - MS or Toshiba or most of mfg's. But I'm quite confident that sb. here there is smart to solve the problem. Even the TV can show what I see on PC monitor, it would be much better.
4. Even a simple transcoder - just resistor network may work to convert RGB to YPbPr, yet need sync be added on. If I have time I may build one.

Can anyone point me to or send me the ATICVPatch? Looks like the link isn't working anymore.

Cheers

anyone have experience with the mobility cards from ATI (i.e. Radeon X1400)? My laptop (Lenovo z61m) has vga and s-video output. Component is supported too (http://ati.amd.com/products/mobilityradeonx1400/specs.html).
Where to find the ATIPatch? Could someone plz provide a valid link?
Would such an adapter/cable work with my laptop (I run XP, ATi Mobile Catalyst 7.8)? http://cgi.ebay.de/12-Component-Video-VGA-to-3-RCA-Adapter-Cable-M-M-12Ft_W0QQitemZ290153831179QQihZ019QQcategoryZ41999QQrdZ1QQss PageNameZWD2VQQcmdZViewItem

background: I got tearing in fast motion scenes over vga with SD or HD material. Now I'm curious if component output would work better with my Pioneer PDP-427XA (1024x768).

thx for replying :)

I'm wondering if you can just use a generic vga to component cable and force an HDTV resolution out of a radeon card (namely 8500) through the vga out or are those 3 pins not actually connected for these cables? Just wondering cause there's a lot less cable clutter (no exposed wires) and it would definitely look nicer (in the back at least).

anyone know where I can get the ATICVPatch?

anyone know where I can get the ATICVPatch?

Here it is,
Its actually working in the sense that after a restart I get a HDTV display at CCC but this isn't the actual TV the actual TV is still displayed as a Monitor.
So effectively it makes no difference,
Any comments would be helpful,
Regards,