Havent checked Directv for a while. I have noticed the Directv encoder barfs about 2 or 3 times an hour, video and audio cut out, then it resets and comes back on for a while. Think its set that way to keep the audio in sync with the video. If one gets to far from the other, their encoder reboots. Is that what you are talking about? It does it on all the mpeg4 channels occasionally, but seems really prone to it on 1080i locals.

Im waiting for midnight to see if KATZ takes over 42 :)

7-1 is down
42-2 is down

Wow. KATV got the shaft? That wasnt supposed to happen.

Im getting a signal on ch22...Scanning now to see if its skip or KATV-DT.

I don't think its fair to blame the technical department for something like the Stretch-O-Vision. They were probably told to by upper management. They don't just suddenly say "hey, we can do this, so lets do it!" If they did, we would probably have a sub-channel with weather info on it by now. The technical department is responsible for things like making sure the signal up to DirecTV and such is working right and making sure the transmitter stays on the air. They have NO say what-so-ever in anything that the station itself airs. So, again, its not fair to say that they are the worst department in the market. That falls on the shoulders of the former Equity people who couldn't get a decent enough signal out to everyone.

Didn't say the Technical Dept. was to blame for running the spots. I wonder who at the station is responsible for having the Technical Dept. run the spots. My bad I guess. I am aware that the technicians do not make up the Op Sheet.

What I do blame the Technical Dept., or whomever runs it, for is not monitoring their signal OTA or monitor the DirectTV and Dish feeds. Last I heard is that they don't.

Yep, KATV-DT is up on ch22 with a remap of 7.1 HD, 7.2 SD...Way to go Allen !!!

44.1 had a ad for KARK, but no station ID at :30 past.

Yep, KATV-DT is up on ch22 with a remap of 7.1 HD, 7.2 SD...Way to go Allen !!!
wow, how is it up if the antenna isn't up top yet?

EDIT: Hmm, reset my Vista Media Center back to point to 22 for KATV, but its not showing anything. Guess I will redo the setup tv signal part to get it back to the way it was. Maybe I missed something.

Awesome news. My site should now reflect the stations' statuses.

Any chance I can get some new TSReader data on both? :D

- Trip

wow, how is it up if the antenna isn't up top yet?

Dont know, signal is lower than even ch 44 right now...Maybe antenna is on the roof :)

EDIT: Checked all the Shinall digitals on my 2 element 4220 with the TR40 converted, and 22 was the STRONGEST.

I dont have TSReader Trip, so wouldnt know how to do that...someone should. Ch 44 sure cleared up without all the subchannels. KARZ PSIP ID on 44. 42 analog also still up.

dmatch will be around at some point I imagine, just wanted to make sure I got the request in there. :D

What's on 7-2, an SD simulcast, or is that weather/news/whatever channel back up?

- Trip

Yeah, I am not getting jack diddly from 7 now.

All-

KATV-DT has returned to air on ch22 at low power utilizing the aux antenna. Please take a look and give me feedback. We should be at full licensed power (1Mw) with 2 weeks or so. The full power transmitter has been moved to Shinall Mtn. and being re-assembled. The last piece of the puzzle is the main antenna which is scheduled to arrive in about 10 days.

A

All-

KATV-DT has returned to air on ch22 at low power utilizing the aux antenna. Please take a look and give me feedback. We should be at full licensed power (1Mw) with 2 weeks or so. The full power transmitter has been moved to Shinall Mtn. and being re-assembled. The last piece of the puzzle is the main antenna which is scheduled to arrive in about 10 days.

A
How low is "low power"? I ask because I am not even getting a peep from your transmitter with the antenna I have set up outside.

Dave, just so I know, what is showing on KATV right now anyway?

EDIT: NM, dumb question, I have U-Verse to check.

Allen: On a 4220 2 bay channel master in NLR! 100' coax, TR40 converter box:
12: 90 signal
22: 95 signal
24: 75 signal
30: 87 signal
32: 88 signal
44: 78 signal

Steveken, its a TurboJam infomercial with the grey 3D KATV sidebars on 22.1

I wonder why I am not seeing anything at all on my Vista Media Center???? Very weird. You would think I would since I am getting everything else full or near full strength. I have re-run the TV setup like 4 times now. I think I might plug a cable into my TV itself to see what it says.

EDIT: See that 42-1 now says KARZ already on the TV when I tuned to it.

All-

KATV-DT has returned to air on ch22 at low power utilizing the aux antenna. Please take a look and give me feedback. We should be at full licensed power (1Mw) with 2 weeks or so. The full power transmitter has been moved to Shinall Mtn. and being re-assembled. The last piece of the puzzle is the main antenna which is scheduled to arrive in about 10 days.

A
I live in midtown Little Rock. I get nothing but noisy still frames from both 7-1 and 7-2, and that's with my RadioShack 15-1892 rotator pointing almost due north; I get nothing when it's aimed at KLRT's tower (the new KATV tower is just south of it).

If that's all you can do, better go back on KARZ if you can. (BTW, its PSIP now says KARZ-DT, so KWBF is officially history.) If Nexstar did indeed turn its new 1 MW DTV transmitter on, your signal from there should be close to what you'll get from the new site, and with a little bit more room for your compressed signal with 42-2 gone. It ain't ideal, but surely keeping KATV on in HD is worth a little pixelation in KARZ's 7 pm newscast (not to mention the most worthless network ever, MyNetworkTV)...

(Edit: But at least Comcast's still OK in HD.)

I wonder why I am not seeing anything at all on my Vista Media Center???? Very weird. You would think I would since I am getting everything else full or near full strength. I have re-run the TV setup like 4 times now. I think I might plug a cable into my TV itself to see what it says.

EDIT: See that 42-1 now says KARZ already on the TV when I tuned to it.

Yea, I gotta rerun setup on my Directv receivers to tell them Im not watching 44.3 from Springfield Mo anymore :)

Yea, but so far, no visual station ID other than KARK news at 7 commercials.

Well, crap, the TV finds 7.1 and 7.2 (which both happen to be showing the SAME thing as 42 is right now oddly enough). Interestingly, I am not getting 16-1 or -2, or 42-1 on the TV tuner.

RBBrittain: What kind of antenna is on your rotor? How many UHF elements?

k, got everything on the TV tuner, guess I will work on the Vista Media Center tomorrow. Getting a little late now.

Allen: this http://i36.tinypic.com/2a5f8sj.jpg is using my worst tuner (HR20-700 Directv receiver) with a Phillips MANT940 UHF flat panel amped indoor/outdoor antenna laying on a roll of insulation in the attic. Strongest signal from the mountain right now. Must have that low power pointed my way :)

RBBrittain: What kind of antenna is on your rotor? How many UHF elements?It's the indoor RadioShack antenna that looks like the Starship Enterprise in black, with an RF remote for the rotor unit. I don't know how many UHF elements because they're inside the round section, but if you Google 'radioshack 15-1892' I suspect you can find that out.

Being in an apartment building in midtown Little Rock, with tall buildings nearby but a mostly clean LOS to Shinall Mountain (one building blocks LOS to Redfield but that only stopped KETS' old VHF-lo signals; I get both KASN-DT & KVTN-DT just fine), I probably need a directional antenna more than an outdoor antenna. The RadioShack can receive all the other stations just fine--even 3ABN's low-power DTV station (RF channel 27, remaps as 73-1 to 4, transmits from downtown) with the rotor pointed in almost the opposite direction. It has an amplifier, but it's off; it doesn't help at all here.

If more UHF elements would help, I have an original Silver Sensor (Philips-branded) that I could try, but it's way past my bedtime; I'll have to try that tomorrow.

It's the indoor RadioShack antenna that looks like the Starship Enterprise in black, with an RF remote for the rotor unit. I don't know how many UHF elements because they're inside the round section, but if you Google 'radioshack 15-1892' I suspect you can find that out.

Being in an apartment building in midtown Little Rock, with tall buildings nearby but a mostly clean LOS to Shinall Mountain (one building blocks LOS to Redfield but that only stopped KETS' old VHF-lo signals; I get both KASN-DT & KVTN-DT just fine), I probably need a directional antenna more than an outdoor antenna. The RadioShack can receive all the other stations just fine--even 3ABN's low-power DTV station (RF channel 27, remaps as 73-1 to 4, transmits from downtown) with the rotor pointed in almost the opposite direction. It has an amplifier, but it's off; it doesn't help at all here.

If more UHF elements would help, I have an original Silver Sensor (Philips-branded) that I could try, but it's way past my bedtime; I'll have to try that tomorrow.

Yea, tell me how the Silver Sensor works, and then tell me if you want to sell it. Ive been trying to find an original unamplified silver sensor for months. I have a MANT940 I could trade with ya for it too, if it would work better. Its bi-directional with an amp.

Your Rat Shack antenna is a phased dipole inside there, maybe two, and the "rotor" changes the phase to electronically rotate it, if Im not mistaken...So physically rotating it might help some.

KARZ will be at low power until we move it up the hill to its new site. PSIP will take up to 72 business hours to cut over and start populating.

On a side note, we just brought two additional playout servers on line for near future HD time shifting and playout. This is a reason for the 16 X 9 , by default. It is being corrected. Somethings just take time and due process by the powers that be.

I missed all the excitment at midnight :confused:

BTW, KATV-DT here appears to be on half power as the SS meter on the Zenith box shows it much lower than KARK-DT or KLRT-DT.

EDIT @ 6:53am-- I read up a few posts to see allens, and now realize that KATV is on the aux stick instead of testing the new one (sorry for the blond moment)

Glad to see KARZ-DT get rid of the silly stretchovision, so far. No additional subchannels. Of course getting KARZ to lock here is a bit tricky but it did for a few mintues.

All-

KATV-DT has returned to air on ch22 at low power utilizing the aux antenna. Please take a look and give me feedback. We should be at full licensed power (1Mw) with 2 weeks or so. The full power transmitter has been moved to Shinall Mtn. and being re-assembled. The last piece of the puzzle is the main antenna which is scheduled to arrive in about 10 days.

A

Allen, FWIW y'all are getting out on 22 DTV in Star City better than KARZ is now. I'll cut slack on lack of DD 5.1, I was assuming you guys were testing the new stick but didn't read up enough. Didn't expect to see 22 lit up for a couple more weeks.

UPDATE: 7:24am--The built in tuner in E*'s vip211 isn't pulling in KATV-DT's aux signal, and lock is becoming more inconsistant on the Zenith box in the shack. Must be propagation related, but KATV won't be consistant OTA here until its on the main tower from all appearences.

KARZ will be at low power until we move it up the hill to its new site. PSIP will take up to 72 business hours to cut over and start populating.

On a side note, we just brought two additional playout servers on line for near future HD time shifting and playout. This is a reason for the 16 X 9 , by default. It is being corrected. Somethings just take time and due process by the powers that be.

glad to hear the stretchovision is a bug to be fixed and not intentional. Congrats on getting the aspect ratio correct on KARZ-DT

glad to hear the stretchovision is a bug to be fixed and not intentional.Probably the default settings for their newly installed equipment.

Speaking stretch-o-vision, instead of stretch-o-vision, we're getting squished tall 'n skinny video, up here on Nexstar-run KFTA-SD (51-2). See this cam shot taken this morning of OTA on a 4:3 CRT display:
http://i44.tinypic.com/id9d86.jpg

Aren't KNWA/KFTA controlled at KARK in LR?

Probably the default settings for their newly installed equipment.

Speaking stretch-o-vision, instead of stretch-o-vision, we're getting squished tall 'n skinny video, up here on Nexstar-run KFTA-SD (51-2). See this cam shot taken this morning of OTA on a 4:3 CRT display:
http://i44.tinypic.com/id9d86.jpg

Aren't KNWA/KFTA controlled at KARK in LR?

That program (I *think* its a AOG Church in Van Buren AR) must be filmed in WS because it looks like a amphoric widescreen DVD on my HDTV monitor (when not stretched out). I've ran across that guy on KARK-DT several times while DXing on early sunday mornings.

The RadioShack can receive all the other stations just fine--even 3ABN's low-power DTV station (RF channel 27, remaps as 73-1 to 4, transmits from downtown) with the rotor pointed in almost the opposite direction. It has an amplifier, but it's off; it doesn't help at all here.

Thanks for the confirmation on the 3ABN translator. I'd heard that it mapped to channel 73 in most markets, but have been trying to confirm it.

- Trip

Checked the Zenith tuner in the bedroom and it wasn't getting 7 well either, so I went outside and rotated the antenna a little bit towards the south and got it to lock a lot better. Still not full strength and still not getting it on the Vista Media Center, but its at least locking on the Zenith. Will see how that works out better when they go full power.

Would be nice if I could find a way to mount my antenna a little higher up as I think that might be the problem. Right now its on a pole on the ground about 6 feet below my deck and sticks up about 7 or 7 1/2 feet above the deck. The house is still between it and the mountain I think, as is the next door neighbor's house.

So, if I could find as good a spot as I have where it is now (it even jacks into my comcast nid near it), I would try that, but I don't really know where that is.

Looks like Directv is showing 42-1 on both 42 and 49. Previously I think they were getting 49 from 42-2. I wonder if they will switch back to the analog feed or drop it altogether.

Allen, FWIW y'all are getting out on 22 DTV in Star City better than KARZ is now. I'll cut slack on lack of DD 5.1, I was assuming you guys were testing the new stick but didn't read up enough. Didn't expect to see 22 lit up for a couple more weeks..

All-

Very long day yesterday. Now that I have had my coffee, particulars...

aux antenna- Side mounted at 832' on new tower. omnioid pattern with main lobe towards Little Rock to Pine Bluff. From the mountain it is oriented at a azimuth of 135 degrees true.

Using small transmitter making 1.8Kw. That together with the aux antenna gain gives an ERP of about 45Kw.

An emergency STA was granted Friday for the above operation. Our plans are to improve that situation as rapidly as possible.

My plans are to put the main transmitter into the aux antenna at reduced power (about 20kw) which will give an ERP of ~250Kw using the aux antenna. I could push it harder, bit want some head room. I am in hopes the main transmitter will be re-assembled and proofed in about 10 days. I will run in this state until the main antenna arrives and is mounted and tested in about 3 weeks. At which time we will be at full power of 1 Mw ERP with 20% vpol.



A

.... Still not full strength and still not getting it on the Vista Media Center, but its at least locking on the Zenith. Will see how that works out better when they go full power.....
I have 3-4 bars on 7/22 and less on 42/44 in MCE 2005. I couldn't get it either at first but finally did after messing around with the atscprefs.xml file. I removed most of the preferences that I had added. I removed KETS-DT1-4 on physical channel 5 (instead of 7) and KATV-DT on 44.3 (instead of 22). The atscchannels.xml file already should have 7 mapped to physical channel 22 so you don't need it in the atscprefs.xml any more in that case. Maybe that was my problem with KATV (7/22).

I put KARZ in the atscchannels.xml file and was able to get it also....barely. I'll probably have to change atscprefs.xml if the atscchannels.xml file is replaced on next download of data from Zap2It. I think Zap2it TV maps channel 42 to physical channel 43 (at least it used to) instead of 44 and that would SNAFU it. We'll see.

Of course, I also went in and out of MCE many times during all of these machinations. No telling what that may have done.

dmatch

FWIW, here are my average/range of signal qualities (30 - 1 second readings) for relative comparisons after the changes last night:

KTHV-DT 12 98% (95-100%)
KATV-DT 22 80% (75-85%)
KLRT-DT 30 92% (83-100%)
KARK-DT 32 87% (80-94%)
KARZ-DT 44 57% (53-60%) Need 55-60 for stable lock, so barely locking

KWBF-DT 44 (now KARZ) usually has average signal quality of 65-70%, so it appears that 44 has decreased some in signal quality here about 25 miles north of Little Rock with at least 2 edge reception.

KATV-DT 22...Not too shabby considering current power level. Definitely better than when it was on 44.3 which usually ran 65-70%.

dmatch

dmatch: Any chance you can send me new data for KATV and/or KARZ?

- Trip

Thanks for the new data, dmatch. It's now posted on my site.

KARZ is doing 720p with 5.1, at 17.87 Mbps. I'm sure the upconverted SD looks lovely on My Network TV. :D

KATV is doing 13.5 Mbps on the 720p sub, and 3.6 Mbps on the SD sub with 1.4 Mbps of null packets. Still better than the Allbritton station up here by me, WSET, at 13 Mbps even and enough null packets to jam in another sub.

- Trip

Thanks for the new data, dmatch. It's now posted on my site.....
- TripYou're welcome. Not much sooner said than done.

I will look out for some representative screen shots for KATV-DT and KARZ-DT (if I can get a stable lock).

OR

Perhaps someone else will post a couple here when/if they run across some HD on the channels.

dmatch

Allen, your 45Kw looks like its getting out good. Are you all going to fire up 7NewsNow on 7-2? Curious, cuz thats the guide data getting sent by Directv.

KARZ is pixellating here, with a signal reading of 95, so not sure if its multipath or something on their end. Will check further.

Congrats all the way around.

Steveken: When I edited the SageTv mappings I just went ahead and remapped 2-x to physical channel 7, so hopefully I will be ready.

What Irony: KWBF's last commercial was for a Debt Consolidation/avoid Bankruptcy company.

Ok, Confirmed the pixellation on KARZ is on their end, or just caused by the low power signal, as the Directv feed is breaking up as well as my OTA feed.

KWBF, while it went dark at midnight on the FTA Equity Mux is back and showing programming that matches the program guide on my Directv receiver. Guess those cable systems out in the sticks that got KWBF ch 42 via its satellite uplink are still getting KWBF instead of KARZ?? Very strange. Havent seen an ID on the FTA uplink yet, so it might just be a reuse of KWBFs old slot.

I have 3-4 bars on 7/22 and less on 42/44 in MCE 2005. I couldn't get it either at first but finally did after messing around with the atscprefs.xml file. I removed most of the preferences that I had added. I removed KETS-DT1-4 on physical channel 5 (instead of 7) and KATV-DT on 44.3 (instead of 22). The atscchannels.xml file already should have 7 mapped to physical channel 22 so you don't need it in the atscprefs.xml any more in that case. Maybe that was my problem with KATV (7/22).

I put KARZ in the atscchannels.xml file and was able to get it also....barely. I'll probably have to change atscprefs.xml if the atscchannels.xml file is replaced on next download of data from Zap2It. I think Zap2it TV maps channel 42 to physical channel 43 (at least it used to) instead of 44 and that would SNAFU it. We'll see.

Of course, I also went in and out of MCE many times during all of these machinations. No telling what that may have done.

dmatch
The only thing I ever changed on mine was the 22 to 44. Still am not able to get anything on 7 even though I have screwed with it till I am tired of it. I fixed the 42 to show 44 instead of 43, but I still have to add or delete a channel sometimes to get the damn thing to show up. I don't know what the deal is with this. I am really getting frustrated.

My Current Levels
TivoHD:
KARK-DT 32 89%
KATV-DT 22 91%
KTHV-DT 12 89%
KLRT-DT 30 97%
KVTN-DT 24 56%
KASN-DT 39 89%
KARZ-DT 44 61% with pixelation

Sony DHG-HDD250:
KARK-DT 32 88%
KATV-DT 22 88%
KTHV-DT 12 88%
KLRT-DT 30 94%
KVTN-DT 24 No Signal!
KASN-DT 39 88% Some Pixelation
KARZ-DT 44 66% Pixelation

One thing I have noticed Steveken, the DTV transition isnt exactly seemless :). I wonder how many DTV converter box/TV tuner users out there will know enough to rescan, or if they will be calling the stations asking why they are off the air.

Im also really curious why KARZ bothered remapping to ch 42 instead of just using channel 44 as a moniker, since analog is going away soon anyway.

One thing I have noticed Steveken, the DTV transition isnt exactly seemless :). I wonder how many DTV converter box/TV tuner users out there will know enough to rescan, or if they will be calling the stations asking why they are off the air.

Im also really curious why KARZ bothered remapping to ch 42 instead of just using channel 44 as a moniker, since analog is going away soon anyway.

...or getting the FCC's blessing to flash cut to 42 instead of using 44

What Irony: KWBF's last commercial was for a Debt Consolidation/avoid Bankruptcy company.

LMAO
(I *really* should have been watching TV at midnight last night, but was out of pocket)

On E* the ch49 (ex KKYK) channel is // with 42. The program listings are still for KWBF and the "to be announced" for KKYK.

Huge issue with large macroblocks, audio /video are choppy. I can't get the OTA feed so cannot confirm currently, A promo for KARK news was sent stretchovision.

Perhaps some of these bugs can be worked out this coming week.

From the Westen Part of Yell county it looks currently like this

KARK 4.1 - 76% Locked

KATV 7.1 - 36-48% jumping around...Unlocked
7.2 - 62% Locked, NBA Game SD
22.3 - 62% Locked NBA Game in HD

KTHV 11.1 - 87% Locked

KLRT 16.1 - 70% Locked

KASN 38.1 - 84% Locked

KARZ 42.1 - 36% Unlocked


My Sony diagnostic's screen reads like this


KATV 7.1 Diagnostics:

Physical Channel = 44

Freq. (KHz): = 653000

Modulation = 8VSB

Status: = Unlocked

Errors: = 0

SNR (db): = 0

AGC (%): = 69



KATV 7.2 Diagnostics:

Physical Channel = 22

Freq. (KHz): = 521000

Modulation: = 8VSB

Status: = Lock

Errors: = 0

SNR (db): = 17

AGC (%): = 50


KATV 22.3 Diagnostics:

Same readings as 7.2 above

22.3 is in HD while 7.2 is in SD, both 62% Locked. 7.1 is still reading physical channel 44. I had to let my sony Scan and "ADD Digital Channels" to find 7.2 and 22.3. Low power KATV at 62% at my location, LOS about 60 miles. Thats pretty darn good:) Hope KARZ powers up in the near future so I can get it as well. I'm thinking that when KaTV goes full Power, they may be my strongest station.

Just flipping through, and came across KARZ on cable. Not only is the video and audio dropping out, just like on the digital OTA channel, but the picture is squeezed into a letterbox and pillowboxed square!

Wait, 22.3????? Maybe thats my problem. Maybe I need to add a 7-3 that would look on 22-3??

EDIT: Nope, not that I can tell.

.....
22.3 is in HD while 7.2 is in SD, both 62% Locked. 7.1 is still reading physical channel 44. I had to let my sony Scan and "ADD Digital Channels" to find 7.2 and 22.3. Low power KATV at 62% at my location, LOS about 60 miles. Thats pretty darn good:) Hope KARZ powers up in the near future so I can get it as well. I'm thinking that when KaTV goes full Power, they may be my strongest station.Something looks strange about those channel 7 (physical 22) layouts. TSReader only shows 2 channels associated with physical 22 (7.1, 7.2). Perhaps you should do a complete rescan to remove old mappings?

dmatch

Is 7-2 ABC-SD or something different?

22-3 is the same as 7-1. Just that the latter is where the former should be mapping.

- Trip

Is 7-2 ABC-SD or something different?

22-3 is the same as 7-1. Just that the latter is where the former should be mapping.

- Trip

Apparently when he Adds a channel thats already in his Sony, it modifies the virtual channel.

Right now, 7.2 is an SD version of 7.1 but guide data for "7NewsNow".

Apparently when he Adds a channel thats already in his Sony, it modifies the virtual channel.

Ah HA! That's the problem. Sony TVs only map channels when they're scanned. Doing a manual entry leaves it unmapped.

Right now, 7.2 is an SD version of 7.1 but guide data for "7NewsNow".

Then maybe it will make a return soon. I'll leave my listings as they are for now. Unless allenf can shed some light on the future of 7-2? Maybe RTN?

- Trip

Ah HA! That's the problem. Sony TVs only map channels when they're scanned. Doing a manual entry leaves it unmapped.



Then maybe it will make a return soon. I'll leave my listings as they are for now. Unless allenf can shed some light on the future of 7-2? Maybe RTN?

- Trip

I would really like to see RTN, I actually watched a lot of those old shows...and the satellite signal is so weak from RTN's new uplink I cant get it.

... KARZ is pixellating here, with a signal reading of 95, so not sure if its multipath or something on their end. Will check further.
...Something seems strange with KARZ-DT. Looking at analog (NTSC) 42 I see blank screen with audio same as on 44 Digital, including many drop-outs that coincide with the pixellating you describe. It seems like KARZ 42 analog is supposed to be a re-broadcast of the digital channel KARZ-DT which appears to be having problems.

dmatch

I would really like to see RTN, I actually watched a lot of those old shows...Same here! Don't really care for another weather/news teaser type channel.

dmatch

Same here! Don't really care for another weather/news teaser type channel.

dmatch

I guess since their Program Director got the boot, Ill call them tomorrow and ask if its a possibility. Cant hurt to ask, and there isnt anything on RTN that would suffer from being preempted for a ball game during LOST :)

dmatch: Any chance you can send me new data for KATV and/or KARZ?

- TripHere is a screen shot of KATV-DT1 while running SD converted/embedded/pillarboxed in HD on their primary channel and one from KATV-DT2 which is SD.

dmatch

Screen shot of real HD on KATV-DT1:

dmatch

Hey, your "real" hd shot still had pillars...opps, my bad, columns. Forgot my Roman.

Ok, Instead of using my Sonys "Add Digital" feature, I started completely over with "Auto Program". This got rid of 22.3 and added 7.1 and 7.2. Still holding strong at 62%, I cant believe with the low power signal aimed at Pine Bluff that I'm am locking this channel:D 7.1 is now running in HD, 720p/16:9. 7.2 is running the exact same program but is SD, 480i/4:3. Hope that clears some confusion up from earlier.

Yea, thats a kick butt signal for a low power/temp antenna. Scanned in on both my parents' tuners (3 element yagi outside on back porch roof pointing into the house roof). Couldnt even get a peep from 44.x

http://i43.tinypic.com/34q32gk.jpg

KATV-DT 22 received near Star City AR tonight on E*'s vip211 built in OTA tuner. Antenna for UHF is the CM4228 with a CM7777 preamp (VHF received w/separate 4 element log-yagi)

Yea, thats a kick butt signal for a low power/temp antenna. Scanned in on both my parents' tuners (3 element yagi outside on back porch roof pointing into the house roof). Couldnt even get a peep from 44.x

I checked the LOS once and the towers on Shinall are about 58 miles from here. I'm thinking on the power up, I'm gonna see 90+ on signal. How about KARZ 42.1? I here they are gonna move the Ant and power up. Do you know how much more power from their current signal? I bump 42 in and out here, its not that reliable this time of the year. Gets much better from about March to October

Loving the new signal. I'm about 3.5 miles LOS from the towers and I'd frequently lose the RF 44 signal. Haven't lost the new RF 22 signal all night. Good job AllenF and company.

They said they were going to move the antenna "up the hill", so Im assuming it will be side mounted on the side of the 4/32 tower, and ~m guessing they will replace the ch4 antenna with a ch 32 antenna (?). Anyways, Im sure youll get it once they get on top of the mountain. I actually have no idea where KWBF's tower is/was, but from looking up there, it cant be very high, as I only see the tall identifiable ones (4,11,16,7).

KARZ has major problems right now, that Im guessing is a misaligned STL, its breaking up horribly, even on Directv.

Im wondering if Directv ch 49 is going to remain a copy of 42 as it is now, or switch over to channel 20, which is what it really should be.
Since ch20 is analog, I dont know if Directv will carry it, or just drop it completely. I was hoping Equity would pony up and pay RTN so we wont lose it, but that doesnt appear to be happening, as Equity stations on their MUX are picking up THIS-tv.

They said they were going to move the antenna "up the hill", so Im assuming it will be side mounted on the side of the 4/32 tower, and ~m guessing they will replace the ch4 antenna with a ch 32 antenna (?). Anyways, Im sure youll get it once they get on top of the mountain. I actually have no idea where KWBF's tower is/was, but from looking up there, it cant be very high, as I only see the tall identifiable ones (4,11,16,7).

KARZ has major problems right now, that Im guessing is a misaligned STL, its breaking up horribly, even on Directv.

Im wondering if Directv ch 49 is going to remain a copy of 42 as it is now, or switch over to channel 20, which is what it really should be.
Since ch20 is analog, I dont know if Directv will carry it, or just drop it completely. I was hoping Equity would pony up and pay RTN so we wont lose it, but that doesnt appear to be happening, as Equity stations on their MUX are picking up THIS-tv.

Thanks Dave.

On a side note. I talked with a lineman with Suddenlink Cable that serves the Danville, Belleville, Havana areas. I asked if they would be updating their cable system here to digital. The answer was NO. The guy told me that this area is so small that is was not cost effective for them to change out the equipment to convert to digital in my area. So for folks here, if they are on cable, they will keep getting the same old crappy analog feed here. Its a shame that suddenlink wont swap this area to digital. Its a shame that folks have HDTV's with digital cable inputs and cannot use the tv in the way it was intended. In a way, I dont blame Suddenlink for not wanting to invest the money in this small area. On the other hand, if they are gonna be the cable provider, I think it should be mandatory for them to change the equipment over to digital feeds. I know cable is not as good as Dish and Directv, but I had considered it since you can put it to all rooms for one fee, I think here its about $40/mo. That was pending on them changing their equipment and coverting to full digital and allowing my TV's to use the cable input to decode the channels. But since they are not converting to Digital and they will continue to deliver their weak crappy analog signal, I wont be a customer.....EVER:mad:

Anyone viewing KARK-DT via DirecTV tonight notice program audio and video breakup? Was still happening during their 10pm newscast. OTA was fine. I figure DirecTV is gonna get a lot of calls tomorrow if they don't fix this by the time the Superbowl starts. Wonder who at this station decided to air every other commercial in Stretch-O-Vision? Worst technical department in this market.


I noticed that 2 or 3 times during the game. Infuriating.

Hmm, all the sudden I am seeing signal on my signal strength screen on Vista Media Center for KATV, but when I go to the channel to watch it, it doesn't show anything.

NM, got it. :) Guess its cause I put in 7-3.

Is 7-2 off? I was watching 7-1 just fine, but 7-2 says no signal.

Ok, Instead of using my Sonys "Add Digital" feature, I started completely over with "Auto Program". This got rid of 22.3 and added 7.1 and 7.2. Still holding strong at 62%, I cant believe with the low power signal aimed at Pine Bluff that I'm am locking this channel:D 7.1 is now running in HD, 720p/16:9. 7.2 is running the exact same program but is SD, 480i/4:3. I was going to suggest you hit "Auto Program" because the Sony's "Add Digital" looks for new stations and adds them to the list of previously found stations. "Add Digital" is very useful when using a rotator.

Why would KATV waste bandwidth on a 7-2 SD copy of 7-1?

IF the analog shutoff date gets delayed, have y'all heard what any of the LR stations plan to do? At least one NWA dual station, KHBS40/KHOG29 (abc) is definitely shutting down analog on 2/17, regardless of what congress does. KFTA (fox) analog went dark in November, due to xmtr failure.

I was going to suggest you hit "Auto Program" because the Sony's "Add Digital" looks for new stations and adds them to the list of previously found stations. "Add Digital" is very useful when using a rotator.

Why would KATV waste bandwidth on a 7-2 SD copy of 7-1?
Not sure, but when I was looking at it on my other digital sources it was most definitely just an SD version of 7-1. I thought it was kinda silly too. I am thinking its down today since I am not seeing it on my media center box. I haven't checked the others yet.

Why would KATV waste bandwidth on a 7-2 SD copy of 7-1?

IF the analog shutoff date gets delayed, have y'all heard what any of the LR stations plan to do? At least one NWA dual station, KHBS40/KHOG29 (abc) is definitely shutting down analog on 2/17, regardless of what congress does. KFTA (fox) analog went dark in November, due to xmtr failure.

They did this once before, for a little while after ABC News Now shut down and before they started 7 News Now. 7 News Now is still available on Comcast, and allenf had said a while back that it would be back on 7-2.

As far as LR stations shutting down on 2/17, I've been wondering that as well. I would assume that KATV would have to shut down their analog transmitter in order for KETS to turn on their new signal on channel 7. It was reported here a while back that VTN was going to cut off analog 25 on 2/10, and also flashcut 26 in Hot Springs and 48 in Jonesboro on that date. That leaves KARK, KTHV, KLRT and KASN as the stations up in the air. As far as I know, none of them have any changes to make with their digital signals, just cutting off the analog, so I guess they could all go either way. I guess we'll know in the next couple of weeks.

ABC News Now is still up and running on U-Verse.

Man, this is very odd. Adjusting the antenna to see if I can get 4 to quit being so damn choppy and make it where 7-2 is almost full scale, but 7-1 is like dead. How in the heck can 2 be that strong, but 1 be not there????

Ok, I am done screwing with 7 for now. I had it where it was nice and stable for a while, but now, with more screwing with the antenna, its gone. It will get better when they get full power going, till then I will just deal with paid sources.

Not sure, but when I was looking at it on my other digital sources it was most definitely just an SD version of 7-1. I thought it was kinda silly too. I am thinking its down today since I am not seeing it on my media center box. I haven't checked the others yet.7-2 is there at this time. It's still just an SD copy of 7-1. As for 7-2 I had to "Add DTV Channel" in MCE 2005. Don't know what it is called in Vista MCE. In MCE 2005 it's in "Settings"-"TV"-"Guide"-"Add Missing Channels"-"Add DTV Channel". Then I entered 7 and 2 for the channel. It named it automatically KATV-DT2 since I already had a KATV-DT.

Getting around the limitations of MCE is very similar to pushing a chain, IMO.:rolleyes: ... But I have a love-hate relation with nearly everything I do on computer/TV now-a-days.

dmatch

I see that KTWN-LD2 has AETN again. I suppose that means Dishnet has it going again?

Edit: Unfortunately, I see that we will have to continue to contend with the "Su smartcard expirara pronto" message overlay periodically.

dmatch

7-2 is there at this time. It's still just an SD copy of 7-1. As for 7-2 I had to "Add DTV Channel" in MCE 2005. Don't know what it is called in Vista MCE. In MCE 2005 it's in "Settings"-"TV"-"Guide"-"Add Missing Channels"-"Add DTV Channel". Then I entered 7 and 2 for the channel. It named it automatically KATV-DT2 since I already had a KATV-DT.

Getting around the limitations of MCE is very similar to pushing a chain, IMO.:rolleyes: ... But I have a love-hate relation with nearly everything I do on computer/TV now-a-days.

dmatch
I know how to add channels. Like I said, it was already there when I was looking at the signal meter screen seeing 7-1 lower level than 7-2. When I was seeing 7-1, I would switch to 7-2 and there wouldn't be anything at all there even though its strength was quite a bit higher than 7-1's. Not even a hint, so I thought 7-2 had been pulled down. That's why I was confused.

In any case, I am just playing hell getting my tuner cards to get a good enough signal in media center for it to show up. So, I am thinking that I should quit for now until they get full power, then it should be no problem.

I know how to add channels. Like I said, it was already there when I was looking at the signal meter screen seeing 7-1 lower level than 7-2. When I was seeing 7-1, I would switch to 7-2 and there wouldn't be anything at all there even though its strength was quite a bit higher than 7-1's. Not even a hint, so I thought 7-2 had been pulled down. That's why I was confused.

In any case, I am just playing hell getting my tuner cards to get a good enough signal in media center for it to show up. So, I am thinking that I should quit for now until they get full power, then it should be no problem.No insult was/is intended but it was kinda hard to tell whether you were talking TV or computer (MCE) at times. Perhaps i read too fast, or didn't read close enough.:)

dmatch

No insult was/is intended but it was kinda hard to tell whether you were talking STB or computer (MCE) at times. Perhaps i read too fast, or didn't read close enough.:)

dmatch
Oh, sorry, wasn't meaning to sound defensive.

Yeah, I was talking about my media center machine the entire time.

Since they are both on the same transmitter, if 7-2 is strong and 7-1 wont come in, its still trying to get 7-1 off ch44. Cant tell you why, but thats the only way the two could be different signal levels.

I know how to add channels. Like I said, it was already there when I was looking at the signal meter screen seeing 7-1 lower level than 7-2. When I was seeing 7-1, I would switch to 7-2 and there wouldn't be anything at all there even though its strength was quite a bit higher than 7-1's. Not even a hint, so I thought 7-2 had been pulled down. That's why I was confused.

In any case, I am just playing hell getting my tuner cards to get a good enough signal in media center for it to show up. So, I am thinking that I should quit for now until they get full power, then it should be no problem.


Before I ran thru the auto program, 7.2 was showing the signal strenght coming from channel 22 while 7.1 was still reading 42.3 which was much weaker. This was after I selected the "Add Digital" feature which is great for DX'ing but was not what I needed to relocate 7.1 & 7.2. I had to let the tv go thru its auto program before it would kick 42.3 out and recognize 22.1 instead. You probably need to do a complete re-scan for all DTV channels. Once you do that, it should kick out the old KWBF42.3 recognition and insert the 22. recognition for 7.1 and 7.2 Hope this helps, sounds like your tuners are giving you a headache.

Since they are both on the same transmitter, if 7-2 is strong and 7-1 wont come in, its still trying to get 7-1 off ch44. Cant tell you why, but thats the only way the two could be different signal levels.

That is exactly what my Sony Tv did yesterday when I used the "Add Digital" feature. I had to run "Auto Program" to get 7.1 to remap from 22.1 instead of trying to remap from 42.3

Why would KATV waste bandwidth on a 7-2 SD copy of 7-1?


Temporary artifact of the multiple ways we are distributing our signal to various entities and their needs with ultimately one set of encoders at the studio. It will get cleaned up in a few weeks.

A

A big thank you to everyone for posting signal reports! Even the posts with the various woes experienced by folks with OTA tuners and Media Centers are educational.

A

Before I ran thru the auto program, 7.2 was showing the signal strenght coming from channel 22 while 7.1 was still reading 42.3 which was much weaker. This was after I selected the "Add Digital" feature which is great for DX'ing but was not what I needed to relocate 7.1 & 7.2. I had to let the tv go thru its auto program before it would kick 42.3 out and recognize 22.1 instead. You probably need to do a complete re-scan for all DTV channels. Once you do that, it should kick out the old KWBF42.3 recognition and insert the 22. recognition for 7.1 and 7.2 Hope this helps, sounds like your tuners are giving you a headache.
Media Centers don't scan for channels. Also, when you do a redownload/resetup of the tv channels in your area, it wipes out what you had before and puts things back to default which is 22 for 7. Mine is set up the proper way with the right channel numbers in the config file. I am suspecting that the tuners on these cards aren't as sensitive as I thought they were. Other than that, I have no idea why the darned thing isn't working.

It won't find anything for 42.3 because it simply doesn't exist anymore.

What tuner are you using for MCE? Mine is working ok here...Its a Hauppauge HD USB stick...Even gets 18.x

Hauppauge 1800 & 1600 both in the same machine. The 1800 is a PCI-E 1x card and the 1600 is a PCI card.

I may try to download the WinTV app and see what it does.

EDIT: Come to think of it, I think I am running stock drivers for the cards. I will install updated drivers for the 1800 and see where that gets me.
EDIT EDIT: YEPPERS, WinTV found it. After this is done will go back into Vista Media Center to find out what it does now.

Stupid Media Center. Had to add 7-2 before 7-1 or 42-1 would work. I just don't understand this crap. :) At least its working now. I guess it was the old drivers after all.

42-1 is very every choppy to me. I hear no audio either. Extremely unwatchable as is. I think I have a fairly strong signal too. Its about the same as 4 I think.

Ok, so the non-smooth video is this Media Center box. It's smooth in the other room on my Zenith box, but still has NO audio what-so-ever.

This is going to sound a little weird, but I have noticed sometimes in my MCE 2005 it wouldn't lock a primary channel until I tuned to a sub-channel. This happened every time I would try to tune KWBF-DT1 (42.1). MCE would just sit there looking stupid with "No Signal" until I went to 42.2 and back. Then it would tune on 42.1 just fine. After that it would continue to tune to 42.1 no problem for the duration of the viewing session. Get out get back in and had to go thru the same thing all over again. This had me worried about the new KARZ-DT 42 now only having 1 channel but that is not happening anymore. Go figure.

As you said..."Stupid Media Center". Don't you just love-hate it.

Edit: just saw your intervening post. I had no audio on KARZ-DT 42 either but it just now came on. Also, my quality readings are up about 10 % from yesterday's readings.

dmatch

SageTV...Blows Microsoft away. Costs more, but you can add a channel in 30 seconds flat, with a menu.

That doesn't surprise me.

MCE works okay once you get it beat into submission, but once it gets its claws into your system it doesn't "play well with others."

dmatch

I can add a channel in about 30 seconds as well, just have to go through a few more menus to get to it. As far is the rest of Sages operations, well, it quite simply isn't built into Windows natively and doesn't work extremely well with the remotes that come with computers that have the native Media Center app. There are up sides to having it built into the OS.

42-1 is very every choppy to me. I hear no audio either. Extremely unwatchable as is. I think I have a fairly strong signal too. Its about the same as 4 I think.

Ok, so the non-smooth video is this Media Center box. It's smooth in the other room on my Zenith box, but still has NO audio what-so-ever.I fought choppy video in MCE 2005 on XP for quite a while. If I recall correctly the only solution I came up with was to change the decoder that MCE 2005 was using. Mine came shipped using Intervideo decoder which stuttered terribly after upgrading my Nvidia graphics drivers. I had to use Cyberlink codec with ffdshow installed to correct the problem by selecting Cyberlink as preferred codec using DecCheck.exe. I don't know how Vista MC handles such as this. Cyberlink alone did not correct this issue. I had to install ffdshow which somehow interfaces with Cyberlink to correct the problem. What crap!

Edit: Sorry for getting off topic.

dmatch

I noticed the audio is up now too. I knew it wasnt' anything to do with my antenna when I checked the U-Verse feed and there was no audio there too.

I guess I might have to look into getting the codec changed as well. But, I think the choppy video has primarily to do with the tuner not being as sensitive as the Zenith box is cause right now I have "No TV signal" on my screen. :)


EDIT: And its funny, the signal meter screen shows I have no signal for 7, but yet I am still able to watch it. 42 shows 4 bars on it, but I am not getting it ATM. And I am finding myself having to tune to 7-2 to show 7-1. Its kinda funny.

For sure don't mess with it (Media Center) if it ain't broke. Especially if it is just a low signal quality issue. After about 3-4 months of getting all my video ducks in a row I am extremely hesitant to change anything I don't absolutely have to change.

dmatch

Its amazing how much more sensitive WinTV is than Vista Media Center. I switched over to it and am able to watch 42-1 much much better. No choppiness, audio is fairly good. 7-2's audio sounds like its primarily from the left channel for some reason.

Wow, HD Twilight Zone on 42-1

@Trip:

Attached is a screen shot of KARZ-DT 42.1 in HD.

Edit: BTW you still have KARZ labeled as KWBF on the listings page but KARZ elsewhere.

dmatch

That's great that the new tower is up & running, even at low power & temporary setup. Won't be long until the big signal on 22 arrives.

That's great that the new tower is up & running, even at low power & temporary setup. Won't be long until the big signal on 22 arrives.

I just hope to see 5.1 audio on that big signal, cuz its missin' from the lil one.

That lil signal is locking at night here, but won't during the day.

http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article.aspx?aID=112049.54928.124187&cID=e

I may be the only person here who's interested in seeing where this Equity thing goes, and if so, I'm sorry for posting these articles, but here's the latest. The company that's already owed over $41 million by Equity is loaning them another $58 million!

Unbelievable. Oh well, its pretty obvious these same deals are what has this country in a bind. When the taxpayers bail out Equity, then Ill worry.

http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article.aspx?aID=112049.54928.124187&cID=e

I may be the only person here who's interested in seeing where this Equity thing goes, and if so, I'm sorry for posting these articles, but here's the latest. The company that's already owed over $41 million by Equity is loaning them another $58 million!

At this point, all SP's loan is doing is keeping Equity on life support. There is no way that Equity can get their stations flash cut in time. Maybe they are shopping for buyers to get more money out of them.

KKYK is gone from E*. The channel "49" slot right now is a second position for KARZ. I'm not sure if EB will ever flash cut KKYK-CA 20 Little Rock to DTV (they are excempt from the Feb 17/June 12 requirement since its not a FP analog). With RTN programming gone from KKYK, all that is left is very old movies and infomericals with perhaps a few old music videos (RetroJams) at odd hours. I have seen the "Worship" network on after midnight.

After E* switched from analog 20 to the former KWBF-DT "42-2" feed last fall, KKYK/RTN was unwatchable on E* as well as OTA DTV because of the macroblocking from stretchovision 42 and 7's temporary "hachdee" setup. I don't see KKYK getting back on E* (or D*) unless they come up with some way to provide a DTV feed or direct fiber since both sat providers are using all digital local feeds(?).

I just hope to see 5.1 audio on that big signal, cuz its missin' from the lil one.

That lil signal is locking at night here, but won't during the day.
It doesn't have 5.1? I know it sounds pretty good through the speakers I have hooked up to it, but it doesn't have 5.1 connected due to a lack of extra speakers. I just assumed that it would be 5.1 if they were carrying any HD content cause I thought HD required it. Hmm learn something new all the time like you can still do 2 channel HD. :)

http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article.aspx?aID=112049.54928.124187&cID=e

I may be the only person here who's interested in seeing where this Equity thing goes, and if so, I'm sorry for posting these articles, but here's the latest. The company that's already owed over $41 million by Equity is loaning them another $58 million!
I guess they did that to kind of ensure that if anything else goes wrong that all the Equity properties will be theirs outright.

I wonder if that will finance any conversions to digital.

- Trip

I wonder if that will finance any conversions to digital.

- Trip
I wouldn't think the CRO would let it be used for that considering all the outstanding debt they more than likely had. The CRO would probably ensure that all outstanding liabilities were paid prior to any new projects for the network.

It doesn't have 5.1? I know it sounds pretty good through the speakers I have hooked up to it, but it doesn't have 5.1 connected due to a lack of extra speakers. I just assumed that it would be 5.1 if they were carrying any HD content cause I thought HD required it. Hmm learn something new all the time like you can still do 2 channel HD. :)What you may be thinking about is that ATSC uses AC3 audio which is not necessarily 5.1 surround. It can also be AC3 stereo.

dmatch

The stations won't be worth much of anything without operating facilities. They'll be worth zero without a license, which the FCC could pull if it takes too long.

- Trip

Ahh, yep, you are right. Forgot about that. Thanks. :)

The stations won't be worth much of anything without operating facilities. They'll be worth zero without a license, which the FCC could pull if it takes too long.

- Trip
Yeah, but if the CRO prioritizes paying any outstanding liabilities, that will ensure that Equity keeps the operating facilities. If they can maintain their facilities, and do the minimums required by the FCC regarding the conversion, then they will more than likely be able to keep their licenses.

It doesn't have 5.1? I know it sounds pretty good through the speakers I have hooked up to it, but it does have 5.1 connected due to a lack of extra speakers. I just assumed that it would be 5.1 if the were carrying any HD content cause I thought HD required it. Hmm learn something new all the time like you can still do 2 channel HD. :)

I have my HT system setup to convert the stereo DD 2.0 (DTV) and 2ch PCM (E* SD channels,) to Pro Logic on non 5.1 sources. That way, there is a center channel on dialog and local syndicated shows/news. Having said that, I seldom use the HT amp on local news and SD programming instead using the tv's built in speakers.

I try to remember to switch to 2ch mode though for listening to Sirius music channels via E* because somehow the prologic sound doesnt' do it for me for "radio listening".

Yeah, but if the CRO prioritizes paying any outstanding liabilities, that will ensure that Equity keeps the operating facilities. If they can maintain their facilities, and do the minimums required by the FCC regarding the conversion, then they will more than likely be able to keep their licenses.

If the analog shutdown isn't moved, the stations go off the air in two weeks. The "minimum" is to go silent and claim they're working on it, but that doesn't make any money flow in (ads).

- Trip

If the analog shutdown isn't moved, the stations go off the air in two weeks. The "minimum" is to go silent and claim they're working on it, but that doesn't make any money flow in (ads).

- Trip
How many full power stations do they still own? I only know about the local stuff and that they sold off KWBF, so that only leaves the KKYK-CA 20.

My Current Levels
TivoHD:
KARK-DT 32 89%
KATV-DT 22 91%
KTHV-DT 12 89%
KLRT-DT 30 97%
KVTN-DT 24 56%
KASN-DT 39 89%
KARZ-DT 44 61% with pixelation

Nice! Mine are not nearly this strong from the same area. What antenna are you using?

How many full power stations do they still own? I only know about the local stuff and that they sold off KWBF, so that only leaves the KKYK-CA 20.

17.

http://www.rabbitears.info/search.php?request=owner_search&owner=Equity+Broadcasting

- Trip

...I don't see KKYK getting back on E* (or D*) unless they come up with some way to provide a DTV feed or direct fiber since both sat providers are using all digital local feeds(?).AFAIK, D* still has addressable OTA ATSC/NTSC tuners at the local receive facilities.

Nice! Mine are not nearly this strong from the same area. What antenna are you using?

Honestly, I don't know the model number, but it's a traditional yagi from Radio Shack I got about 6 years ago for about $50. I've been very pleased with the reception I've gotten from it in Benton, I get the Redfield channels with it pointed toward Shinall. I did get up on the roof last weekend and raised it about 6 inches, which helped with my reception of 42.1 and 7.1 (before they moved back to Ch. 22.) I live on a bit of a hill on First Street, so that may have a bit to do with it, but it performed decently at my old house as well, which was down the hill from the Junior High.

@Kelly:

I haven't seen any posts from you lately, but if you are lurking here perhaps you can apply whatever influence you have to address the smartcard problem on KTWN-LD2.

I contacted Crain Media's (owner of KTWN-LD) engineering director who told me that the smartcard problem will have to be corrected by AETN.

Having no other source for AETN programming, I sure wish AETN would do something about it.

Edit: Just noticed that the smartcard finally expired and there is only a message about that now and no programming.

Edit2: Removed receiver info on picture attachment just to be safe.

dmatch

I don't see how thats AETN's problem. I think we should call up Dish and tell them to send "us" a new card. :) They should be able to do that with no costs and without having to be really the person with the box. I mean, you have all the information you need on that screen.

Well, take that back, since it is going to be something a little more advanced than a consumer box, it might need something else.

I didn't see how it was AETN's problem either but that is essentially what the director of engineering said. Perhaps AETN is the owner of the receiver, and if they are, they would have been sent the smartcard and haven't delivered/installed it? Hard to say without all the specifics.

dmatch

More on the KTWN-LD2/AETN situation attached. Is this a smartcard update?

Edit: KTWN-LD2 has just gone to a test pattern. Shucks! This was some of the best programming I had seen in a while.;)

dmatch

Im wondering if its actually even legal to retransmit dish or directv's signal on a broadcast station. If AETN even remotely cared, they would lend KTWN a 1M dish and a $99 fta receiver to show PBS-X like Directv is doing for us.

When I called AETN they seemed to think that KTWN was using the KEMV signal like they used too, and were somewhat surprised to hear about the smartcard thing.

I don't know about the legal ramifications but had assumed they (KTWN/AETN) must have worked something out with Dishnet but....Still just a test pattern....hmmmm. Maybe the left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing.

dmatch

Why am I not surprised.

BTW, KEMV is still off the air. AETN might as well just go home...no one can see it, except in Gurdon.

Why am I not surprised.

BTW, KEMV is still off the air. AETN might as well just go home...no one can see it, except in Gurdon.AETN is on in NWA. KAFT-DT is showing skinny people in squish-o-vision 14:9, as I type this.

http://i42.tinypic.com/281vaqx.jpg

F*&%^$@ idiots.

AETN is on in NWA. KAFT-DT is showing skinny people in squish-o-vision 14:9, as I type this.

http://i42.tinypic.com/281vaqx.jpg

F*&%^$@ idiots.

Yea, I wish they would just stay off the air personally, and let someone who knows how to set a clock on a vcr run a PBS affiliate here.

Yea, I wish they would just stay off the air personally, and let someone who knows how to set a clock on a vcr run a PBS affiliate here.
Isn't there a way that you guys can talk to people that are in charge of the personnel for AETN to let them know how bad of a job they are doing? I mean, seems like you guys (Dave, Sam, dmatch) probably know more about whats going on with PBS than the people actually charged with running it. You guys could probably get yourselves some great jobs and actually help out the PBS community in the state if you talked to the right people.

We probably need to give at least the technical personnel at AETN a break. Remember this is your state government at work and there is a commission involved. You know the kind of organization that winds up with a camel when attempting to design a horse.

From my experience with the state there are a lot of unnecessary cooks in the kitchen and front-line professionals have a hard time doing the job they know how to do without interference. Then you add the federal oversight of the whole shemozzle and you wind up racing on a tortoise.

dmatch

Yea, but PBS used to be the premier technical and quality provider in the country. This all with government employees.

So what happened to drive it into the ground and turn it into the joke it is today?

Did you know there isnt any way to donate money to say, NOVA or NATURE without giving the money to AETN? Nope, I tried. Everyone I talked to at PBS told me I needed to contact my local affiliate.

Ill donate money to AETN the day they show PBS HD headline shows in their proper timeslot, and without downconverting, or damaging the signal with subchannels. They want 4 channels, let em get their money from someone that watches em.

In the mean time, Ill watch it from Washington, for free, since they dont want my money.

BTW, anyone that CAN get PBS, watch this weeks Nova "The Spy Factory". Excellent program on the NSA, and showing how they tracked the 911 hijackers across the US but never told the FBI or CIA. Also shows how they tapped into AT&Ts fiber optic switching center to monitor every bit of data traffic in the world simultaneously. Its scary.

Why am I not surprised.

BTW, KEMV is still off the air. AETN might as well just go home...no one can see it, except in Gurdon.

AETN is on DishNetwork. An SD program is on at the moment, and the aspect ratio appears normal. Program guide says "off air", although earlier today (actually yesterday, now) the program guide showed current programming.

Also, KKYK 49 on Dish is showing the "don't call us, we know its off the air" slide.

Did anybody watch any KARZ-42 last night? I flipped over there about 10pm to see if the audio and video problems were still there, which they were, but I noticed something else. They were still in MyTV programming, Vice Squad I think in HD, but they didn't switch to Sex in the City until about 10:25. Did the newscast run long, did they have technical issues, does anybody really care :) ?

They were showing raw feed video Monday night, complete with the spot promos for it in the middle where the ads should have been. I didnt watch yesterday, Nova and American Idol grabbed my Prime Time.

Did anybody watch any KARZ-42 last night? I flipped over there about 10pm to see if the audio and video problems were still there, which they were, but I noticed something else. They were still in MyTV programming, Vice Squad I think in HD, but they didn't switch to Sex in the City until about 10:25. Did the newscast run long, did they have technical issues, does anybody really care :) ?

Not even Melissa Simas doing that newscast co-anchored with a drag queen would get anyone to notice. Looks like the baggage of the old KWBF has carried over to The Z.

For instance one infomercial airing yesterday morning (I checked for about 5 minutes) had a 30-45 second loop of audio with a nearly still slide playing over and over and over. The ad's description sounded like some sub prime housing lender.

KARZ may have Jumped The Shark either: Day one, or when that newscast had 20 minutes of silence. Or perhaps dumping Live With Regis And Kelly---take yer pick.

Did anybody watch any KARZ-42 last night? I flipped over there about 10pm to see if the audio and video problems were still there, which they were, but I noticed something else. They were still in MyTV programming, Vice Squad I think in HD, but they didn't switch to Sex in the City until about 10:25. Did the newscast run long, did they have technical issues, does anybody really care ?
I was watching the news at 7 last night and didn't notice anything wrong with it at all except the occasional glitch in the picture which I just associated with a lower powered signal. Other than the occasional blocking area of a line, it was fine.

Isn't there a way that you guys can talk to people that are in charge of the personnel for AETN to let them know how bad of a job they are doing? AETN Contact Info (http://arkansased.org/about/pdf/dir0809_affiliates_100308.pdf) (.pdf)

Last I got back from them is that the 14:9 format they're using, which results in the chopped off top, bottom & sides of video and (sometimes worse) tall 'n skinny squish-o-vision, is a "compromise."

Instead of "compromising," why don't they just show everything in OAR, like every other station that has half a clue?

For PBS, I only watch and support Ozarks Public TV (http://www.optv.org/) now. AETN seems to be a lost cause.

http://www.twice.com/article/CA6634777.html

Okay, we talked a bit last week about how this delay will affect the local channels, but now that it's a done deal, I wonder if the various engineering folks we've got on here are able to give us any details on what their stations are going to do?

Yea, I want to know too, because analog 4 to a small extent, and analog 16 for sure, are spraying noise all over my amp making it a tad testy to pick up a clear signal on a couple low power stations I watch. Ill be so happy to see them power down at least, even if they stay on for a little while.

You know, this kinda pisses me off, but its the government. What can you possibly do? (nothing)

Something that occurred to me, however, is the impact of this digital switch on people who have mediocre antennas at best to receive the analog signal. These antennas might be "good enough" to some people. Just because they get a digital converter box doesn't mean that these antennas are necessarily going to work for people with indoor antennas or crappy outdoor antennas.

We all know that just because you can get an analog signal doesn't mean that you will immediately get a digital signal because of how finicky they are. I wonder how many people are going to return these "defective" converter boxes just because it doesn't pick up the digital signals well enough to keep a constant lock on the station? I wonder how many people are going to be educated enough to know that they might need to tweak their antennas to get a solid signal to their boxes?

I also wonder if these "converter box" coupons will cover the costs of an antenna for folks who realize what they have is inadequate at best? While I doubt this is something that can be done with the cards, it would be wise and helpful if they did. I wonder if there is anything that can be done to help people out that have lackluster antenna setups?

Just something to think about.

The bill addresses consumer education. It doesnt cover the cost of antenna upgrades. For those with mediocre antennas, they better grab their butts, because the cost to install a new antenna and downlead is gonna be a big shock.

Then again, this is America. No one bought my family a UHF converter or antenna when they opened up that band. If someone cant afford to watch free OTA tv, they need to be out looking for a job anyway.

My point is that this "consumer education" does NOT cover antenna or antenna problems due to the hit or miss nature that is digital signals. One side of their room may get the signal full strength while the other won't get diddly.

My point is that this "consumer education" does NOT cover antenna or antenna problems due to the hit or miss nature that is digital signals. One side of their room may get the signal full strength while the other won't get diddly.

That was exactly (almost word for word) what was said on the NewHour with Leher and his guest about the signal. She said if you are using an indoor antenna and having difficulty, you will need a bigger outdoor antenna. If you cant pick it up with an outdoor antenna, you will need to consider cable or satellite.

I wonder if this transition might not revive what cable tv used to be, a set of 2 or 4 big honkin antennas on the tallest tower in town, delivering OTA for a very reasonable fee, for some of the outlying towns. Lifeline cable isnt that unreasonable, probably less than the cost of the electricity to run a new big screen per month.

If TV were a God given right, I would feel sorry. Since its not, Im not worried. Some people cant afford a car, or if they can, cant afford insurance. You need a car to get to work. I dont see the govt worrying about all the Americans without cars, so why are they so freakin concerned about TV viewers? Oh yea, they started this mess.

Alright, KTHV, KLRT, KARK and KATV (among others) --- tell us what you are going to do, switch now or wait until June?

The cost of "lifeline" cable is basic I believe and its around $13 plus taxes and fees I think. I don't believe there is any "local only" channels unless you push really really hard and talk to the right person. The cable companies do their best to not let people get the basic channel by sweet talking them into getting the higher rate packages that they don't need most of the time. At least that's been my experience.

Alright, KTHV, KLRT, KARK and KATV (among others) --- tell us what you are going to do, switch now or wait until June?
I don't really understand why we are worried about what they are going to do now. I just mean that in 13 days we are going to find out one way or another, why not just wait?

Its not that big a deal, but I was kinda hoping that by doing away with analog, and being able to put all their attention on digital, we MIGHT see some syndicated shows in HD, and maybe even 'gasp' a HD newscast. As long as they have to maintain analog, we arent gonna get squat except 'switch flipping'.

I don't really understand why we are worried about what they are going to do now. I just mean that in 13 days we are going to find out one way or another, why not just wait?

1. Inquiring minds want to know. :) That's really the whole point of this entire thread, we wanna know what's going on, and the sooner the better.

2. If they stay on longer, it will be more than 13 days, it could be anywhere between 13 days and 4 months. Just knowing they're still on after the 17th don't really give us any idea of their long term plans.

I personally think it would be great if stations all over the country just said "Forget it!" and switch off their analog transmitters on the 17th anyway. (I know there's more to it than that, but you get my point.)

Bob Clausen on KARK was complaining somewhat on the 10pm news. He talked about how they were told to get it done and they did. He talked about how hard all the stations had to work to get this done and ready by Feb 17th. He said they were ready and now its been pushed back until June. He looked aggravated over it. I would be too.

Reports Im reading on other forums seem to be reports LOTS of stations already telling their viewers they are pulling the plug on the 17th, better get those converter boxes while you can. I hope ours joins them.

Ill really be happy when ch26 in Hot Springs flash cuts, I use their signal to test different antennas and propagation conditions.

EDIT: Just watched the ch 4.1 story...I almost died laughing when they showed the houston volunteer plug in the old ladies converter box, and all she got was a pixelized mess on the screen. Wonder if they went up on the roof and installed a new antenna for her?

Reports Im reading on other forums seem to be reports LOTS of stations already telling their viewers they are pulling the plug on the 17th, better get those converter boxes while you can. I hope ours joins them.

Ill really be happy when ch26 in Hot Springs flash cuts, I use their signal to test different antennas and propagation conditions.

EDIT: Just watched the ch 4.1 story...I almost died laughing when they showed the houston volunteer plug in the old ladies converter box, and all she got was a pixelized mess on the screen. Wonder if they went up on the roof and installed a new antenna for her?

Yeah, I thought that was pretty funny too. Wonder what they said when that person said, what the heck is that crap on my screen!

EDIT: Just watched the ch 4.1 story...I almost died laughing when they showed the houston volunteer plug in the old ladies converter box, and all she got was a pixelized mess on the screen. Wonder if they went up on the roof and installed a new antenna for her?
Don't suppose you recorded that did you? I would love to see it! :)

The legislature is in session. I wonder if we could find a local representative that might be willing to take on the red tape at AETN?

The legislature is in session. I wonder if we could find a local representative that might be willing to take on the red tape at AETN?
LOL!!! That is frakin hillarious! Sorry, it just is. :)

Don't suppose you recorded that did you?http://arkansasmatters.com/media_player.php?media_id=225401

You know, this is still bothering me. I don't know if anyone has any ideas on the reason behind it or not, but I will put it out again.

How is it that I can watch some channels (for instance 7) perfectly fine with WinTV6 on my computer, but when I go into Vista Media Center on the same exact machine I can't see it or it becomes very very choppy? Shouldn't it be exactly the same on both pieces of software? Shouldn't they both receive the signal and interpret it the same? Or do they use codecs that would be different in the way they process the signal and decode it? If so, anyone know of a way to choose which codec is used in Vista Media Center?

LOL!!! That is frakin hillarious! Sorry, it just is. :)

I complained about something to my representative before the session and a bill was sponsored to remedy the situation. State government is much closer and "available" than you might think.

You know, this is still bothering me. I don't know if anyone has any ideas on the reason behind it or not, but I will put it out again.

How is it that I can watch some channels (for instance 7) perfectly fine with WinTV6 on my computer, but when I go into Vista Media Center on the same exact machine I can't see it or it becomes very very choppy? Shouldn't it be exactly the same on both pieces of software? Shouldn't they both receive the signal and interpret it the same? Or do they use codecs that would be different in the way they process the signal and decode it? If so, anyone know of a way to choose which codec is used in Vista Media Center?I doubt, and you doubted, that the Codec was the culprit but here is what I had to say about changing codecs:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15720506#post15720506

I don't know that it will work for Vista.

Edit: Found This,

http://forums.techarena.in/mediacenter/674759.htm

which led to this,
http://mediacenterexpert.blogspot.com/2006/07/vista-media-center-decoder-utility.html

Use at you own risk.;)

dmatch

I doubt, and you doubted, that the Codec was the culprit but here is what I had to say about changing codecs:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15720506#post15720506

I don't know that it will work for Vista.

Edit: Found This,

http://forums.techarena.in/mediacenter/674759.htm

Use at you own risk.;)

dmatch
But is the codec alone enough to lessen the sensitivity of the signal coming in??

Great! I install Vista SP1 and now I can't resize the desktop! Its majorly overscanning on my LCD TV now.

EDIT: No worries, looks like a reinstall of the latest drivers is going to fix it.

But is the codec alone enough to lessen the sensitivity of the signal coming in??Wouldn't have anything to do with the signal, but a specific codec getting data from the receiving device (USB stick, PCI card) could be having problems.

Do You have only 1 Receiving device? Are both MCE and the WinTV software getting their signal from the same device?

Edit: Sorry...I see from your intervening post that your computer may soon be entering melt-down mode.;)

dmatch

I have 2 hauppauge cards in 1 machine. 1800 PCI-E card and 1600 PCI card. The only machine I try to do OTA capture on anymore.

Does Vista Media Center use one of these and WinTV the other? That might explain the difference.

dmatch

Ok, its using Microsoft MPEG-2 Video Decoder for Video. Audio is Microsoft MPEG-1/DD Audio Decoder.

For Video, I have these options other than what its using...
MainConcept (HCW) MPEG-2 Video Decoder
Sonic MPEG-2 Video Decoder
CyberLink Video/SP Decoder(HP_DT23)
ArcSoft Video Decoder
MainConcept(Muvee) MPEG-2 Video Decoder

Audio....
MainConcept (HCW) Layer II Audio Decoder
ArcSoft Audio Decoder
CyberLink Audio Decoder(HP_DT24)
CyberLink Audio Decoder(HP_DT)

Does Vista Media Center use one of these and WinTV the other? That might explain the difference.

dmatch
No, it uses both pretty much together like all versions of media center do. If one is busy (like recording something) it will seamlessly switch to the other.

EDIT: Hmm, looks like the problem MAY be with one of the tuners. I set it to record 4, then flipped to 7 no problem. Switched to 11, told it to record, stopped 4, then switched to 7 with the free tuner and it wouldn't come in.

10am Monday the 9th is when the VTN networks are shutting down their analog signals.

No, it uses both pretty much together like all versions of media center do. If one is busy (like recording something) it will seamlessly switch to the other.Then the question would be does VMC use a different primary tuner than WinTV does? If the tuners and signals going into them are identical this wouldn't matter.

Until you know if it is a signal problem that VMC is experiencing I wouldn't fart around with codecs. I have really screwed things up before by doing that, but that's me, YMMV.;)

dmatch

Just another quick thought. If you have a different coax input to each tuner can you swap them and see if WinTV then has the problem and Vista MC doesn't?

dmatch

Then the question would be does VMC use a different primary tuner than WinTV does? If the tuners and signals going into them are identical this wouldn't matter.

Until you know if it is a signal problem that VMC is experiencing I wouldn't fart around with codecs. I have really screwed things up before by doing that, but that's me, YMMV.;)

dmatch
Well, yeah, I agree. This wouldn't matter if they were the same, but considering they both do the same job, it shouldn't matter as well.

In any case, I re-ran the signal setup and told it to ONLY do the 1800 and leave the 1600 out of it and guess what? 7 comes in just fine now.

42 was a problem because it was set for 43, so I changed it, but then I STILL had to add or delete a sub-channel to get the damned thing to come in. Don't know why that is still going on.

Now, I am going to do the same thing, but leave the 1800 out and only set up the 1600's signal and see what happens. This is kinda weird to me.

EDIT: Okay, so it IS the 1600 thats the pain in my ass! I re-ran the setup and now I can't get 7 in. 42 is still choppy with both tuners, but I wonder if my problem might not be multi-path maybe because the signal meter shows it pretty high. Anyway, anyone wanna buy a Hauppauge 1600? :)

EDIT EDIT: Or is there a way to keep media center from using that card on that particular channel??

EDIT EDIT EDIT: I wonder, will I still have the same problem when they kick up the juice on 7? Have to see I guess.

Following your train of thought, dmatch, I pulled the coax off the 1800 and put it on the 1600 to see if it was that run or port on the splitter somehow. Pretty much same thing happened, except every now and then it would get the signal. I am beginning to think that the tuner on the 1600 just isn't as strong as the 1800's is.

Heh, at least we are starting to understand it. Now what to do about the 42/43/44 SNAFU in MCE. My atscchannels.xml file keeps getting reloaded with downloads from Zap2It with wrong info for 42. Going to try and fix this crap. Hope to get back to you soon with a solution, unless you come up with one first.

dmatch

Heh, at least we are starting to understand it. Now what to do about the 42/43/44 SNAFU in MCE. My atscchannels.xml file keeps getting reloaded with downloads from Zap2It with wrong info for 42. Going to try and fix this crap. Hope to get back to you soon with a solution, unless you come up with one first.

dmatch
I simply go in there and change the assignment and, to protect it from future "fixes", I change its attribute to "read only". That locks it from being written to by the update.

Heh, I even figured out how to get my FM Tuner on the 1800 working again. Just have to make sure to tell it to set up with analog turned on as well. :)

@Steveken:

Good idea. That's what I will do from now on (atscchannels.xml = readonly).

Gosh! MCE sucks.

I wasn't getting 42.1 (KARZ-DT) again and as you may recall to get it before when it was KWBF I had to toggle up to 42.2 and back to 42.1 to get it. There is no 42.2 now so I put in a dummy channel on physical 44 and called it virtual 43 KARY in hopes of getting something to toggle up to. This is where it gets weird. MCE used to label the digital channels like 1041, 1071, 1072, 1421. All in the 1000's. Now they are all like 2041, 2071, 2072, 2421, and 42 comes in now with no need to toggle up then down. It is choppy though but that's a signal level problem.

I really didn't expect it to let me put 2 virtual channels on the same physical channel but it does with these strange results.

This is stupid.

dmatch

All I have to do to get 42.1 to come in is either add or delete 7.2, 11.2, or 16.2, then its there fine.

I wish the damn thing would just put them down and use .'s and let us put in 7.1.

Now that is double stupid. What can you do about that?

dmatch

Check your cpu usage with both programs. A missed interrupt due to high cpu usage can cause havoc. Dscaler lets you choose which codec to use, I believe. Dont know anything about Vista, so cant help there.

Check your cpu usage with both programs. A missed interrupt due to high cpu usage can cause havoc. Dscaler lets you choose which codec to use, I believe. Dont know anything about Vista, so cant help there.
Heh, I have a quad core CPU, so I highly doubt that could be a problem with anything. :)

In any case, I have figured out what the problem was. Now, whether it's a permanent thing that will continue when 22 goes full power is a different story.

Did you see what I said about the 9th being the day the VTN network pulls the plug? I don't know if that will affect you or not, jut thought I would tell you. Saw an ad on their channel as I was flipping through today.

No, The only time I tune VPN is to check for propagation conditions on channel 26.

Im trying to figure out why keep getting pixelation on KARZ when I have such a high quality reading. Its breaking up worse than KETS did on channel 5...And thesignal strength is full scale.

No, The only time I tune VPN is to check for propagation conditions on channel 26.

Im trying to figure out why keep getting pixelation on KARZ when I have such a high quality reading. Its breaking up worse than KETS did on channel 5...And thesignal strength is full scale.
Same problem here at times. Sometimes its good, sometimes its bad. (All with my 1800 now that I figured out that its the "good" card. lol)

EDIT: Sure is hard to tell what I am watching, though, as Vista Media Center doesn't have any listings for the channel. Just a constant "No data available."

Did you see what I said about the 9th being the day the VTN network pulls the plug? I don't know if that will affect you or not, jut thought I would tell you. Saw an ad on their channel as I was flipping through today.

I actually saw something about that two weeks ago, and posted to a blog I maintain.

With analog 25 (KVTN) being OFF THE AIR as of 2/9/2009....

Bottom line: DX'ers in Central Arkansas may be able to log WPTY-DT 25 ("24-1") the ABC affiliate in Memphis. DTV antenna viewers on the fringe west of Crowley's Ridge will have an easier time locking WPTY

Also for those in Southeastern Arkansas, the PBS station for the Greenville/Greenwood market WMAO-DT 25 "23-n" (Mississippi Public Broadcasting--MPB) will have greater range into SE-Arkansas as far Northwest as parts of Lincoln, and Drew counties. MPB (http://www.mpbonline.org/television/index.htm) unlike AETN airs programs in OAR the last time I saw them.

At least one station in the Jackson market will shut down analog on February 17... WDBD FOX 40... just saw it on their 9PM news, which is broadcasted in HD, BTW.

http://www.fox40now.com/news/local/39178372.html

At least one station in the Jackson market will shut down analog on February 17... WDBD FOX 40... just saw it on their 9PM news, which is broadcasted in HD, BTW.

http://www.fox40now.com/news/local/39178372.html
Glad to see somebody close to us has news in HD. You'd think someone here in Little Rock would do it, but no. We can't say "Thank God for Mississippi" now; Mississippi is beating us!

There is one inaccuracy in their story, however: It says the government has stopped giving out coupons. In fact, you can still apply for them; you'll go on a waiting list which will be filled either (a) as unused coupons expire or (b) when Congress provides more money, which is expected in the stimulus bill ($650 million IIRC). Of course, that's little consolation for those who won't get their coupons before the 17th...

Glad to see somebody close to us has news in HD. You'd think someone here in Little Rock would do it, but no. We can't say "Thank God for Mississippi" now; Mississippi is beating us!


There is local news in HD in Memphis (WMC), and Tulsa (KJRH).

Shreveport ABC affiliate KTBS does their local newscasts (morning, evenings) in a 16x9 widescreen SD format (NOT stretchovision!). Tulsa, Jackson, and Shreveport are smaller markets than Little Rock.

There is local news in HD in Memphis (WMC), and Tulsa (KJRH).

Shreveport ABC affiliate KTBS does their local newscasts (morning, evenings) in a 16x9 widescreen SD format (NOT stretchovision!). Tulsa, Jackson, and Shreveport are smaller markets than Little Rock.And Memphis ain't that much bigger than us either. Besides, WMC is stuck with a VHF-lo post-transition channel (its analog channel 5), and with pre-transition DTV channel 52 it may have to stick to the 2/17 date. But then I knew Jackson was smaller than Little Rock; that's why I was shocked to hear about HD news there.

All the more reason why KATV *must* go full-power DTV *and* take down analog 7 on schedule, even if others stay on till 6/12. KETS can't go back to either analog 2 or DTV 5 because of both its antenna issues and possibly blocking WMC's transition, so it cannot return to the airwaves till KATV kills its analog signal.

I'm not seeing where any Little Rock stations filed with the FCC to go silent 2/17. Is there any news about which stations will go silent and which won't? It looks like KTHV won't (per Gannett orders), but more than likely KVTN will (its reasons for switching 2/9 aren't affected by the date change, especially viewer complaints about non-APT CECBs not picking up its analog satellites).

Barring some other arrangements, KATV *must* go silent so KETS can come back. But then, KETS would need an STA to use DTV 7 even when KATV vacates, and since its antennas are gone it can't go back to either analog 2 or DTV 5. The delay law just screwed KETS, pure and simple.

The KETS issue was known by Senator Pryor when he voted for it. A good reason to consider some other candidate who listens to his citizens during the next election.

...Im trying to figure out why keep getting pixelation on KARZ when I have such a high quality reading. Its breaking up worse than KETS did on channel 5...And thesignal strength is full scale.That usually indicates a problem at the station; either a decoder/encoder or STL issue. Happens frequently on certain NWA & Springfield stations.

The KETS issue was known by Senator Pryor when he voted for it. A good reason to consider some other candidate who listens to his citizens during the next election.The analog delay was an ego/power play by the current administration to make the previous admin's DTV transition look worse (as if that's possible). That, and obama's telecom advisor, who recommended the delay, has strong ties to Sprint, which is benefitting by the delay. The delay slows down AT&T and Verizon from trialing their new 4g (LTE) services in the 52-69 channel band. Sprint's 4g (WiMax) service is on higher frequencies and is already up & running in one or two cities.

Regardless of the delay, Springfield, MO station KSPR saw the delay debacle coming, and notified the FCC it is still killing analog on or near the original 2/17 shutdown date. The remaining Springfield analogs will shutdown on 4/2.

Is the reason there are no digital channels up in the 52-69 range because of the AT&T and Verizon purchases? I have wondered why stations wouldn't just choose to go up into that range instead of anything, say, below 25 where they could get more penetration with their signal.

Here's hoping that our locals pull the plug on schedule. I've been waiting for too long to be able to get AETN back ( I could barely get their RF 2 signal and could occasionally get a peep of RF 5). I should be able to get their RF 7 just fine since I could get 7 just fine. The delay did nothing to fix any of the problems and screwed a bunch of stations had gone off the air on schedule to move/upgrade/etc. in case the delay didn't pass.

The White House wants your opinion on The DTV Delay ACT Bill
President Obama wants to hear what the public has to say, you can comment here

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing_room/dtv_delay_act/

I was sure to write-in this morning. It makes me sick that Pryor co-sponsored. He needs to go!

Thanks for the link. I've registered my request for a VETO.

Is the reason there are no digital channels up in the 52-69 range because of the AT&T and Verizon purchases? I have wondered why stations wouldn't just choose to go up into that range instead of anything, say, below 25 where they could get more penetration with their signal.


Yes

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-07-3415A1.pdf

The White House wants your opinion on The DTV Delay ACT Bill
...

Thanks, I fired off one also.

I put in my .02 worth as well. I just don't think it will make much of a difference. There are just too many things that we don't know about that are being withheld from the general public to make this a stupid move. I am sure they have "good reasons" for doing this. I just don't think any amount of us talking about it or questioning it is going to do any good. Remember, they are "from the government" and they are "here to help". ;)

Well, it doesnt really matter except for the AETN duplicate channel problem. Actually, If AETN fired up their digital, I could probably turn my antenna and null out KATV enough to get it :).

Well, it doesnt really matter except for the AETN duplicate channel problem. Actually, If AETN fired up their digital, I could probably turn my antenna and null out KATV enough to get it :).

KATV analog can be nulled out very easy here. I've managed to log several channel 7's out of state--the main one being KLTV 7 in Tyler TX.

Is the reason there are no digital channels up in the 52-69 range because of the AT&T and Verizon purchases? I have wondered why stations wouldn't just choose to go up into that range instead of anything, say, below 25 where they could get more penetration with their signal.52-69 were auctioned off to communications companies and some will be used for public safety communications. The upper UHF chs are less desirable for TV than lower ones, because they don't travel as far. But they will be good for new wireless services that don't need to transmit/receive as far as broadcast TV does.

Sprint benefits from this delay more than anyone because it delays their competition (at&t, verizon, cox cable, et al) another 4 months, from testing new services that will compete with Sprint's fledgling WiMax wireless internet service.

...Springfield, MO station KSPR saw the delay debacle coming, and notified the FCC it is still killing analog on or near the original 2/17 shutdown date. The remaining Springfield analogs will shutdown on 4/2.

Confirmed: KSPR analog 33 will shut down on the original 2/17 date:
http://www.kspr.com/news/local/38545947.html

KATV analog can be nulled out very easy here. I've managed to log several channel 7's out of state--the main one being KLTV 7 in Tyler TX.
Well, yeah, when you live in BFE you can do that. :)

52-69 were auctioned off to communications companies and some will be used for public safety communications. The upper UHF chs are less desirable for TV than lower ones, because they don't travel as far. But they will be good for new wireless services that don't need to transmit/receive as far as broadcast TV does.

Sprint benefits from this delay more than anyone because it delays their competition (at&t, verizon, cox cable, et al) another 4 months, from testing new services that will compete with Sprint's fledgling WiMax wireless internet service.
Oh, I thought it was the area of like 1 through 6 that was auctioned off or something.

Confirmed: KSPR analog 33 will shut down on the original 2/17 date:
http://www.kspr.com/news/local/38545947.html

Now why can't any of the Little Rock stations put this out--even if they're staying till 6/12 (as I expect KTHV will)? The only post-Delay Act update out there for Little Rock is KVTN's home page (http://www.vtntv.com/), which says their Monday switchover is still on even with the 6/12 change. No surprise there; KVTN's reasons for going early--both the one given to the FCC (many viewers of its satellite stations have non-APT CECBs and can't watch till they flash-cut) and the others (analog tower on verge of collapse as disclosed in an earlier FCC filing, strain of extra electric bills)--weren't changed by the Delay Act.

What's really scary is that AETN's website (http://www.aetn.org/) (and as of last night, even their signal) still says KETS & KETZ will return 2/18--even though neither KATV nor KTVE has said if they're still going off 2/17, and with KATV not yet at full DTV power I doubt they will. With the Arkansas legislature in session, I'm sure they will NOT be happy to hear that it looks like KETS will be off the air till 6/13, thanks to the Delay Act (cosponsored by our own Sen. Pryor) and KATV!

Oh, I thought it was the area of like 1 through 6 that was auctioned off or something.TV Channel 1 was taken for "Land Mobile" service in June of 1948.

Channels 52 thru 69 are the chs currently getting cut. They join chs 70 thru 83 that got repurposed (to cellular) several years ago.

The digital TV channel band will be:
Lowband VHF 2 thru 6
Highband VHF 7 thru 13
UHF channels 14 thru 51

Now why can't any of the Little Rock stations put this out--even if they're staying till 6/12 (as I expect KTHV will)?All of the Springfield stations are announcing info about their station and other local stations' planned shutoff dates. KSPR even posted a link (http://www.kspr.com/news/local/39147557.html) to help people donate or find unused coupons.

Don't know if KATV has been intimidated by the Obama delay enough to change their plans or if this was some sort of double-speak but....

From January 27, 2009 - Times-Herald of Forrest City, Arkansas:

http://www.thnews.com/article.php?id=7441

Last week, KATV general manager Dale Nicholson said that Channel 7 would be switching to its digital tower before the original Feb. 17 federal deadline even if Congress delayed the mandatory transition.

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It would be hard for KATV to justify keeping their low power analog on-air after their full power digital is up and running, causing KETS to not be able to get on the air, especially after all the help KATV received from other local stations during their time of difficulty.

Im sure they could get an emergency STA to keep their analog on the air on channel 8 or any of the low band channels. Since the signal is weak even in North Little Rock, I dont see it affecting Jonesboro or Memphis.

The government sure put plans in a bind. Probably a good thing for the tower crews nationwide though.

Ironically, the old media came to the rescue: The Democrat-Gazette reports today (link for subscribers only) (http://www2.arkansasonline.com/news/2009/feb/07/station-prepared-move-digital-20090207/?subscriber/national) that KLRT will switch 2/17, while KTHV will wait till 6/12. Neither is a surprise; KLRT's GM was complaining the loudest about the Delay Act, while KTHV has no reason to buck its orders from Gannett corporate. (And if KLRT is going, KASN will surely follow.) AETN says they'll know "(b)y Monday at noon", obviously because they need to know what KATV (and possibly KFSM & WMC) will do. No word from KATV.

It doesn't mention KARK, but it does say KNWA will stay till 6/12; KFTA burned out its analog transmitter back in November. That suggests KARK could stay while KARZ goes, since neither Nexstar nor Equity wants to keep paying for the old KWBF tower.

It would be hard for KATV to justify keeping their low power analog on-air after their full power digital is up and running, causing KETS to not be able to get on the air, especially after all the help KATV received from other local stations during their time of difficulty.

Im sure they could get an emergency STA to keep their analog on the air on channel 8 or any of the low band channels. Since the signal is weak even in North Little Rock, I dont see it affecting Jonesboro or Memphis.

The government sure put plans in a bind. Probably a good thing for the tower crews nationwide though.KATV and/or KETS could also get an STA for channels 16 (definitely), 38 (almost definitely), or 42 (quite likely) and use one of those transmitters. The best arrangement would be for KATV to use 42 while KETS uses 38; they already have feeds to those transmitter sites. (Edit: And Albritton might be more willing to pay ex-KWBF's power bill than either Nexstar or Equity.)

It doesn't mention KARK, but it does say KNWA will stay till 6/12; KFTA burned out its analog transmitter back in November. That suggests KARK could stay while KARZ goes, since neither Nexstar nor Equity wants to keep paying for the old KWBF tower.Appears you are right about that. Analog 42 has been off the air for 2 days now OR it has become so weak that there is not even a hint of it left for me.

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You are correct. 42 is off the air.

*** So, do we have a winner!? ***

KARZ first to complete the DTV transition in Little Rock on 2/7/09 (when I first noticed they were gone). Anyone notice if they were gone before that?

*** EDIT: NOPE, Channel 42 analog came back on a couple of days later.

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Do you or Trip have any info on whether ch9, ch20, or ch58 plan to flash cut to digital, or remain analog only?

9? That would be KZJG-LP? What does that translator carry? I have never gotten a peep out of it where I am. So, never paid attention to it and don't know.

20? KKYK-CA. I get a snowy rendition of it here. Being an Equity station who in heck would really know about its future.;) Actually, that was the topic of one of the many e-mails that went unanswered from me to Equity.

58? That would be KLRA-LP right? Does that translator carry Univision? Never get a peep out of it here.

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Ironically, the old media came to the rescue: The Democrat-Gazette reports today (link for subscribers only) (http://www2.arkansasonline.com/news/2009/feb/07/station-prepared-move-digital-20090207/?subscriber/national) that KLRT will switch 2/17, while KTHV will wait till 6/12. ...AETN says they'll know "(b)y Monday at noon", obviously because they need to know what KATV (and possibly KFSM & WMC) will do. Here's a link to the article:
http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/251640/
NO subscription required. The demogaz doesn't charge for their NWA web access, which duplicates many of the LR web site articles.

Why would KETS need to know about KFSM & WMC's plans? The KETS ch 5 xmtr was never powerful enough to be reliably received by most viewers - much less interfere with stations that far away.

Channel 9 carried AMG-TV straight off C band satellite, never have seen an ID (not required anymore?) Its on a building in Downtown LR I believe.

Ch 20 yep, equity. Was hoping for a RTN maybe.

Ch58 is Univision, and I believe the transmitter is on a big hill near Hy 10 and Mississippi Ave in WLR. Fairly good signal here if pointed that way.

I tried to get digital 14 (reported as being VTN from Hot Springs, but have to much amplifier overload interference from analog 16 when I point the antenna that way (Hot Springs and Shinall are about 10 degrees apart from me).

Here's a link to the article:
http://www.nwanews.com/adg/News/251640/
NO subscription required. The demogaz doesn't charge for their NWA web access, which duplicates many of the LR web site articles.

Why would KETS need to know about KFSM & WMC's plans? The KETS ch 5 xmtr was never powerful enough to be reliably received by most viewers - much less interfere with stations that far away.That article seems to have at least one problem with it. Not sure what to believe.

For instance, at first it says:

At least one Little Rock station will take advantage of the delay.

Larry Audas, president and general manager of KTHV-TV, Channel 11, said the station will not switch off its analog transmitters until the June deadline.

Later it says:
Managers at two other stations that serve central Arkansas, KATV-TV, Channel 7, and KTHV-TV, Channel 11, did not immediately return telephone messages Friday seeking information about their switchover plans.Kind of casts doubt on the entire report.

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Channel 9 carried AMG-TV straight off C band satellite, never have seen an ID (not required anymore?) Its on a building in Downtown LR I believe.

Ch 20 yep, equity. Was hoping for a RTN maybe.

Ch58 is Univision, and I believe the transmitter is on a big hill near Hy 10 and Mississippi Ave in WLR. Fairly good signal here if pointed that way.

I tried to get digital 14 (reported as being VTN from Hot Springs, but have to much amplifier overload interference from analog 16 when I point the antenna that way (Hot Springs and Shinall are about 10 degrees apart from me).
You know, I have never understood why people call something even as far over as Mississippi West Little Rock. I mean, there is a hell of a lot of city even beyond that to the West. I can understand that at one time that was considered West Little Rock, but times have changed and the city has expanded. To me, anything west of 430 is West Little Rock, anything to the east of 30 is East Little Rock, and everything in the middle is Central Little Rock. If you want to break it down any further, you can call anything south of 630 South-Central, and anything above North-Central Little Rock. It's just that if you tell anyone that you live in West Little Rock, 99% of the time people are going to think 430 and west. Just one of those things that kinda makes me wonder every now and then and, depending on mood, can irk me from time to time. :)

That article seems to have at least one problem with it. Not sure what to believe.

For instance, at first it says:



Later it says:
Kind of casts doubt on the entire report.

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To me, that's just piss poor writing and lack of a legitimate proof reader/editor.

Do you or Trip have any info on whether ch9, ch20, or ch58 plan to flash cut to digital, or remain analog only?

The latter two are owned by the bankrupt Equity, so nothing's changing there. I feel like doing a "Yo' station's SO POOR" joke or something. :D

Channel 9 has no applications or permits on file with the FCC.

And KVTH never signed on channel 14. Nothing to pick up. :D

Why would KETS need to know about KFSM & WMC's plans? The KETS ch 5 xmtr was never powerful enough to be reliably received by most viewers - much less interfere with stations that far away.

Not to mention that the DT-05 antenna is probably gone already.

- Trip

Sorry to irk you Steve, but the Little Rock police districts are divided at University and Asher. Anything west of Univ is WEST Little Rock. Anything East of I-30 is East LR. Anything between is Central LR, and anything South of Asher is SW Little Rock. Sorry, your city govt made the designation. I just go with it :)

Well, if 14 isnt on the air, thats a good reason I cant get it Trip.

The article meant to say KATV and KARK didnt answer. Larry works at THV.

Yeah, I know they did. The dumb asses are like the rest of our "fair" city.....they are 20 years behind in EVERYTHING! They won't update for sh*t. But, at least you know what I mean, once a city has expanded the way that Little Rock has, it's time to update your nomenclature for the different sectors of the city.

The police are so far behind in everything they do that they can't enforce the "don't run the effing red light" rule. :) At least once a day I have to call different companies that I spot their drivers running red lights. A Ben E Keith truck flat out ignored a red light at Markham/Bowman the other day and then there was the time I busted an Entergy employee in front of Baker Elementary on Kanis doing 40 in a clearly marked school zone. There is just no call for that. And at any given moment at Shackleford and 630 there are at least two cars that run those red lights. If the police actually gave a sh*t, they could make 10x more money off of red light violations than they could ever do off parking tickets.

Anyway, after the 17th, I wonder how hard it would be for people in Gillette to pick up Little Rock digital channels?

Back when I first moved to Little Rock, in 1991, I considered anything west of Universty West Little Rock, but there has been so much growth west of I-430, that I think of that as West Little Rock now too. I guess its not an "official" designation, but there is now "Mid-Towne Center" on University across from Park Plaza, so I sort of call the area from about War Memorial to I-430 Midtown now. Not that this has anything to do with TV in Central Arkansas. :)

Well, I've put my plea into KATV for them to carry on with plans to drop analog on schedule. I've been looking forward to AETN to move to RF 7 for several years now. There's lots on there I'd like to watch but can't. I could get a fuzzy Ch. 2 and didn't stand a chance of getting Ch. 5. Hopefully since I was able to get 7 from redfield I'll be able to get the new AETN.

Where did this crap come from that stations have to decide whether to shut off analog by Monday at noon (edit: actually midnight) come from? I didn't recall that being in the bill passed by congress. Did FCC just pull that out of thin air or their a**?

Seems to me like its a preemption to try to force broadcasters to stay on analog because many of them won't have enough time to figure out what's going on due to the weekend and would probably play it safe. They ought to have until 2/17 to decide. This just makes things even worse, especially considering the KETS/KATV scenario.

Edit: Heck! The president hasn't even signed the bill yet has he?

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Monday at midnight. New rules posted on Thursday. Lots of fun for all involved.

- Trip

Monday at midnight. New rules posted on Thursday. Lots of fun for all involved.

- TripThis has got to be some sort of political Voodoo. Who the heck is the FCC to make rules regarding something that is NOT a law yet. I really hoped for better from the Obama administration, now I am beginning to see the error of my wishes.

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This has got to be some sort of political Voodoo. Who the heck is the FCC to make rules regarding something that is NOT a law yet. I really hoped for better from the Obama administration, now I am beginning to see the error of my wishes.

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Hes afraid that if he makes his daily speech, some Americans might not be hooked up and miss it. Like I said before, doesnt Obama have a lot bigger fish to fry than the DTV transition? I mean, why does he even care about the Feb 17th cut off date........it should be the last thing on his mind:confused:

The FCC has the authority to set the rules regarding the digital transition regardless of this particular law. This could easily be viewed as the FCC trying to collect last-minute information on station plans.

- Trip

Yeah, you are probably right. They have some sort of general provision in law to oversee things generally. I knew that but this crap just got to me I guess. They (FCC/Congress/Presidents/government) plan for what, 12 years or so, and still screw it up.

But what else did I expect.:rolleyes:

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Hey, I'm the one who has to start over on 11 months worth of working on my DTR page and redo it in 3 days. Don't think I'm not upset. I'm just explaining the rationale.

- Trip

Byrdnest: If you really like PBS, you can get 8 or 10 of em in SD for a little over $120 one time fee, if you have room for a 36" dish in your yard pointed due southwest.

So, the FCC says now that stations have until Monday night at midnight to decide whether they are shutting off next Tuesday?

If so, wow, that is going to be hell for the bigger stations to figure out since most of them are ruled by major corporations that take forever to make decisions.

Of course, the finals in the transmitter could always fail on the 17th...

KTWN 18-2 has PBS back on as of right now. Dont know if its AETN or PBS national.

DirecTV now has a "we know this station is temporarily unavailable" slide up on ch 49 instead of a duplicate copy of KARZ. Guide data also showing Program listings for KKYK now.

So, do we have a winner!?

KARZ first to complete the DTV transition in Little Rock on 2/7/09 (when I first noticed they were gone). Anyone notice if they were gone before that?

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At this point I'm not sure....I thought 42 analog was gone at Christmas but they came back like a bad penny days later. No signal out of them yesterday or this morning. Perhaps Nexstar-LR/KARK just turned it off to see if anyone even noticed or cared?

Still technically though KETS was the first to "sign off" analog.

I'm looking foward to (maybe?) watching WMAO-DT tomorrow night, when the channel 25 analog caused interference is GONE!

And KVTH never signed on channel 14. Nothing to pick up. :D
Correct. KVTH and its Jonesboro sibling KVTJ are flash-cutting instead; that's the official reason parent KVTN is switching early. Their FCC filings say a lot of KVTH & KVTJ viewers have CECBs without analog pass-through, so they can't watch at all without flash-cutting. (My two cents--a rat's nest of splitters and A/B switches would also do the trick.)

What KVTN doesn't mention now (but did in an earlier FCC filing) is that they couldn't hang KVTN-DT on the analog tower because it was on the verge of collapse, so they built a new tower for digital next to it in far SE Pulaski County (W of England, S of Scott). The faster they turn analog off, the quicker they can take its unsafe tower down. Hence, the early switchover.

Not to mention that the DT-05 antenna is probably gone already.
True, but the whole problem is KETS now needs an STA for anything other than analog 2 and/or digital 5 before 6/12, even though those antennas had to come down for digital 7--which can't be used till KATV gives up analog 7. They might still have a little time to swap the antennas back before 2/18, but it's not certain if the FCC will accept the same interference with KFSM & WMC it did before--especially WMC once it flash-cuts to digital 5. (WMC's pre-transition DTV channel is 52, so an early transition there is possible.) Also, KFSM moving its DTV tower to the Boston Mountains caused much signal loss in west-central Arkansas, so the FCC will arm-twist them to stay analog as long as possible. That's why KFSM & WMC will factor into AETN's decision, especially if KATV refuses to kill analog 7 on 2/17.

KETZ might be an issue as well, but it's a little more straight-forward; KTVE-DT is fully operational, KTVE analog's antenna is on the same tower and may even become KETZ's post-transition antenna, and KETZ will have an easier time returning to digital 12 if needed, especially since they didn't start on it till 2/5.

It would be really nice if KATV would donate use of their 7-2 subchannel to AETN until KATV's analog goes away. That would be the nice thing to do, given that KATV is the station that is holding them up from moving to their final channel.

- Trip

Ch58 is Univision, and I believe the transmitter is on a big hill near Hy 10 and Mississippi Ave in WLR...Cantrell & Keightly Dr. to be exact. The tower was the old SW Bell "IMTS" Mobile Telephone Service (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Improved_Mobile_Telephone_Service") tower, back when "mobile" phones had rotary dials (http://www.privateline.com/PCS/images/GEDTOmobiletelephone.jpg).


Of course, the finals in the transmitter could always fail on the 17th...I think that's what uh, "happened" to KFTA analog. ;)

We have determined that 42-1 is off the air currently?

We have determined that 42-1 is off the air currently?

42-1 is on the air. Analog 42 is shut down.

42-1 is on the air. Analog 42 is shut down.
Ok, two probs. :) This media center got changed back to RF 43 somehow, had to fix that. The other is that I had to add or delete another channel to get 42-1 to register. Don't have ANY idea why this crap does that.

EDIT: It just embarrasses me when its something as easy as that and I didn't figure it out. By now I should be used to it, huh? hehehehe

Mine did the same thing. Check the atscchannels.xml attribute.

The read only trick with the atscchannels.xml doesn't work. MCE changes the attribute back and Zap2It puts in the bogus channel 42 on 43 info.

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KVTN channel 25

1988-2009 SK

KVTN channel 25

1988-2009 SKOne down, many to go.

Good riddance to 'em.

Has KVTH lit up DT-26 yet? Can anyone tell?

- Trip

Has KVTH lit up DT-26 yet? Can anyone tell?

- Trip

Yep....I just checked but KVTH-DT is too weak to decode this far southeast. I've also detected last hour a signal on ch25 DTV pointed E-Southeast (WMAO-DT)

I could care less about KVTH-DT but WMAO showing up at late morning on the signal meter means that I could be watching PBS via MPB tonight :D

Yep....I just checked but KVTH-DT is too weak to decode this far southeast. I'm also detected last hour a signal on ch25 DTV pointed E-Southeast (WMAO-DT)

I could care less about KVTH-DT but WMAO showing up at late morning on the signal meter means that I could be watching PBS via MPB tonight :D

Not at home so cant check, but please let it be so. I sure hope I can get Wmao. I used to pick up ch15 all the time.

KLRT 16, KASN 38 on February 17th to join KVTN, KETS in the analog graveyard.

http://www.fox16.com/content/dtv/default.aspx

http://www.cwarkansas.com/content/dtv/troubleshoot.aspx

Has KVTH lit up DT-26 yet? Can anyone tell?

- Trip

Got a solid lock, and signal strength of 76% here.