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tc1
02-11-07, 10:30 AM
Has anyone else lost their OTA signals? I have lost all mine. I bought a new antenna and did a rescan and still can't get them back. I was getting very strong signals before. I thought my antenna went bad so I got a new one. Still no luck. I hope my tuner in my TV has not gone bad.

NO, have not. Much higher odds in your situation that you have bad cable/connection. Especialy if you have cable/satelite and are getting that signal. Your TV may have died though. How old is it? Antenna does not "go bad". A coat hanger will give some reception. If TV is new did you mess with any of the many settings? If so that would be the first suspicion.

KTrout
02-11-07, 10:35 AM
LuvThatHDTV: That would be fine. I think showing them the problem is a lot better than explaining it. Is that something you can do?

oljim
02-11-07, 10:59 AM
Has anyone else lost their OTA signals? I have lost all mine. I bought a new antenna and did a rescan and still can't get them back. I was getting very strong signals before. I thought my antenna went bad so I got a new one. Still no luck. I hope my tuner in my TV has not gone bad.
What ant do you have, I am 71 miles from towers and get them all ok

cgking114
02-11-07, 12:52 PM
My TV is a Toshiba 56HM66. I have only had it for a few months. I have not messed with any settings. I think my internal tuner may have a problem. I live in Mt. P so distance isn't an issue.

LuvThatHDTV
02-11-07, 01:23 PM
LuvThatHDTV: That would be fine. I think showing them the problem is a lot better than explaining it. Is that something you can do?

I have done something similar before. I'll try it again once I record a drop out and I'll see how it looks. I'll PM you once I have something.

tc1
02-11-07, 01:40 PM
My TV is a Toshiba 56HM66. I have only had it for a few months. I have not messed with any settings. I think my internal tuner may have a problem. I live in Mt. P so distance isn't an issue.

Just a thought. My Toshiba has 2 antenna inputs. When you do the scan you have to choose the one you are connected to.

cgking114
02-11-07, 02:54 PM
Just a thought. My Toshiba has 2 antenna inputs. When you do the scan you have to choose the one you are connected to.


Did that. Like I said I had them one day and next day I didn't. I seem to have lost all my in the clear channels on my cable input also.

Eddie39
02-11-07, 03:04 PM
Just a thought. My Toshiba has 2 antenna inputs. When you do the scan you have to choose the one you are connected to.


Have you tried unpluging the set and letting the internal processor reset itself and than do a rescan. I would leave it unplug for about an hour to let the power supply drain down.

cgking114
02-11-07, 04:04 PM
[QUOTE=Eddie39]Have you tried unpluging the set and letting the internal processor reset itself and than do a rescan. I would leave it unplug for about an hour to let the power supply drain down.

That worked thanks.

onyxsoft
02-11-07, 04:52 PM
Anyone having problem receiving WTAT-DT OTA? I get all the other digital stations no problem, but WTAT I only get a partial lock. It was working fine a couple of weeks ago. Looks like I started having trouble with it last week. Are they still transmitting from N Charleston or have they moved to Awendaw with everyone else yet? I look on antennaweb, but I don't know if they have current information.
Thanks,
David

Eddie39
02-11-07, 04:59 PM
Anyone having problem receiving WTAT-DT OTA? I get all the other digital stations no problem, but WTAT I only get a partial lock. It was working fine a couple of weeks ago. Looks like I started having trouble with it last week. Are they still transmitting from N Charleston or have they moved to Awendaw with everyone else yet? I look on antennaweb, but I don't know if they have current information.
Thanks,
David

I getting their signal with no problems here in Beaufort. I though they were always transmitting from channel 2 antenna in Awendaw.

oljim
02-11-07, 05:15 PM
I have been on 24-1 all afternoon, good signal here

onyxsoft
02-11-07, 07:53 PM
Thanks for the info. I'll check my antenna and see if it has moved or something.

shuttermaker
02-11-07, 08:17 PM
Man, the grammys show looks like total crap. Is it the affiliate thats responsible or the network feed? Or is it TWC?

Gary J
02-11-07, 08:26 PM
Are you getting horizontal streaking? It looks more like SD upconvert.

shuttermaker
02-11-07, 08:34 PM
Yup !

usrsld
02-11-07, 09:11 PM
My HD Grammy broadcast is horrible on TWC, with audio and video drop outs. It's bad enough that I'm watching on the standard definition channel. This should NOT be happening. Any response TWC?

shuttermaker
02-11-07, 09:14 PM
My HD Grammy broadcast is horrible on TWC, with audio and video drop outs. It's bad enough that I'm watching on the standard definition channel. This should NOT be happening. Any response TWC?

I think the blame lies with WCSC

Eddie39
02-11-07, 09:37 PM
My HD Grammy broadcast is horrible on TWC, with audio and video drop outs. It's bad enough that I'm watching on the standard definition channel. This should NOT be happening. Any response TWC?

I have WCSC OTA here in Beaufort with great picture and sound. Could it be a cable problem?

leverage7
02-12-07, 01:18 PM
Anyone notice this with Comcast?? Lately, every episode of the office has been in SD until the last 7-8 minutes of the show where it will mysteriously switch to HD. VERY annoying and it is becoming a pattern lately.

ElwayLite
02-12-07, 01:25 PM
Anyone notice this with Comcast?? Lately, every episode of the office has been in SD until the last 7-8 minutes of the show where it will mysteriously switch to HD. VERY annoying and it is becoming a pattern lately.

Doesn't seem like it would be just a "Comcast" problem. I have not noticed it as I do not watch the office.

lancer1991
02-12-07, 09:37 PM
My HD Grammy broadcast is horrible on TWC, with audio and video drop outs. It's bad enough that I'm watching on the standard definition channel. This should NOT be happening. Any response TWC?

I don't recall it looking that bad last night. No different than any Live show with the macroblocking on the dark motion filled shots, but the rest wasn't that bad.

Scmedic
02-13-07, 03:05 PM
My grammy show was outstanding looking on Comcast!

I do have to say though, that NBC's HD broadcasts are really lacking lately. I'm getting a lot of cutting out of sound, and flickering during shows. Heroe's especially.

Bubba1987
02-13-07, 04:28 PM
Edie:

What type of set up do you have? I am in Walterbor, but have not invested in OTA because most of the towers are in Awenadaw, which is like BFE to me.

AVHookerUpper
02-13-07, 05:01 PM
So I just went to Comcast ch101 and saw that they were crawling a message at the bottom of the screen saying that their contract with the owner of these two channels (Sinclair Broadcasting) is expiring. The message goes on to say that service could halt as early as March 1.

I called Comcast and they couldn't tell me much. I'm especially worried about this because of the past feud between Time Warner and Sinclair. BTW, did any of you TWC customers ever get Fox-HD added?

If anyone has the scoop, please post. I need my 24, Idol, Nascar, and ACC B-Ball!!!

chsgas
02-13-07, 08:38 PM
I get a much lower signal ( 20 % lower) from NBC Channel 2-1 than I get from the other channels.

Does anyone else experience this?

I know based on past posts that they broadcasting both the Channel 2 (DT) and Channel 13? (DT) from the same tower.

I just hung a channel master 4228 in the attic and I'm happy with the reception from all the channels except NBC and I know they are located in Awendaw like Channel 4 and Channel 5.

Thanks!!

ElwayLite
02-13-07, 08:49 PM
So I just went to Comcast ch101 and saw that they were crawling a message at the bottom of the screen saying that their contract with the owner of these two channels (Sinclair Broadcasting) is expiring. The message goes on to say that service could halt as early as March 1.

I called Comcast and they couldn't tell me much. I'm especially worried about this because of the past feud between Time Warner and Sinclair. BTW, did any of you TWC customers ever get Fox-HD added?

If anyone has the scoop, please post. I need my 24, Idol, Nascar, and ACC B-Ball!!!


Comcast and Sinclair are still negotiating but I have not heard anything lately. We stand to lose the channels by Mar 5th I believe.

A co-worker is on TWC digital and he does not have Fox HD.

On a good note, I noticed my Comcast SA8300HD finally has SARA 1.88 software.

shuttermaker
02-13-07, 10:18 PM
TWC does have FOX HD.

Channel 820

Eddie39
02-13-07, 11:04 PM
Edie:

What type of set up do you have? I am in Walterbor, but have not invested in OTA because most of the towers are in Awenadaw, which is like BFE to me.

I have a channel master 4228 antenna with one of their uhf amp. I also have Charter cable with their HD. You should pickup Savannah OTA?

Darthtom
02-14-07, 09:26 AM
TWC received FoxHD on the Monday following the last NFL game broadcast for the season. It has been working fine for weeks now... at least in NCHS/Summerville area.

Bubba1987
02-14-07, 09:41 AM
Thanks, Eddie

campberm
02-14-07, 01:46 PM
Comcast and Sinclair are still negotiating but I have not heard anything lately. We stand to lose the channels by Mar 5th I believe.

A co-worker is on TWC digital and he does not have Fox HD.

On a good note, I noticed my Comcast SA8300HD finally has SARA 1.88 software.

How do I tell which software version I'm running, and what does the 1.88 do for me?

ElwayLite
02-14-07, 02:16 PM
How do I tell which software version I'm running, and what does the 1.88 do for me?


Turn the dvr off and then press and hold the select button on the front.

Once a mail icon starts flashing let off select and press info. You can now move through the screens until you get to the SARA screen and it will tell you the version.

Only thing I have noticed so far is I now can fast forward at 4x.

kjpjr
02-14-07, 02:32 PM
I believe that upgrade to 1.88 was also the one that let you "play from the beginning" if you wanted to watch a show that was in the process of recording. We use that all the time. I also understand that when navigator shows up that will not be a part of it. The 4x fast forward is too fast to jump commercials in my opinion.

ElwayLite
02-14-07, 02:42 PM
You are right, the play from the beginning is another feature it comes with. And 4x FF is waaaay to fast.

ElwayLite
02-14-07, 03:17 PM
Just read that Sinclair is gettin $0.50 cents PER subscriber from Mediacom for the HD AND SD channels and they will settle for nothing less from anyone else.

They expect to make $48 million this year off charging providers for channels.

KurosawasGhost
02-14-07, 06:44 PM
hell raise my rates by 50 cents per month...thats fine with me! if thats the deal then id rather pay more for fox than NOT havefox at all....but thats just my opinion.

shuttermaker
02-14-07, 06:48 PM
hell raise my rates by 50 cents per month...thats fine with me! if thats the deal then id rather pay more for fox than NOT havefox at all....but thats just my opinion.

I agree however, the downside to that is that it wont stop with just Sinclair. Everyone will eventually demand that fee and or more. Im sure Sinclair is counting on that as well.

ElwayLite
02-14-07, 06:55 PM
I agree that I would not mind paying a little more because if you get the HD dvr you basically the HD channels for free.

I do also agree someone needs to step in and start making some limits before we are paying $200 a month for tv.

kjpjr
02-14-07, 07:10 PM
We are really close to that now. If you take any of the HBO, Showtime etc. and then like I do buy a sports package each season. Maybe buy an on demand movie or two you get real close to $200. Of course with the sports packs going to Directv I will save some money and be thoroughly upset :mad: :)

I would gladly pay $200 a month if TWC would give me what I want.

The Fox deal is a tip of the iceberg CBS is right behind at $.50 a month

http://www.multichannel.com/article...y=Breaking+News

Another interesting interview about this retran stuff

http://www.tvnewsday.com/articles/2007/02/13/daily.5/

MBentley
02-15-07, 09:20 AM
Don't companies like Sinclair and CBS make money from ad revenue? If they want to charge me that's fine, but then they have to put in fewer commercials. Suddenly an a la carte system seems to be appealing. I only watch 5 channels now as it is and I could probably do without two of them.

ElwayLite
02-15-07, 09:27 AM
We are really close to that now. If you take any of the HBO, Showtime etc. and then like I do buy a sports package each season. Maybe buy an on demand movie or two you get real close to $200. Of course with the sports packs going to Directv I will save some money and be thoroughly upset :mad: :)

I would gladly pay $200 a month if TWC would give me what I want.

The Fox deal is a tip of the iceberg CBS is right behind at $.50 a month

http://www.multichannel.com/article...y=Breaking+News

Another interesting interview about this retran stuff

http://www.tvnewsday.com/articles/2007/02/13/daily.5/

Yeah, I've read the comments by CBS also. I do not know enough about it to comment, I just think its BS that people would lose a national network which is why there needs to be a mediator for these things.

I agree with an article I read yesterday about national feeds and why we should be allowed to view them. I personnaly could give a crap about local news and info, I just want the network programming and if it comes from NY or LA, who cares, not me.

These same Charleston locals are the ones that denied me access to National HD feeds when I was with D*, even though I cannot receive their local hd signal via antenna. But god forbid Comcast isn't paying them, they are willing to drop me like a bad habit now when before they wanted me so bad they denied me national feeds. Its BS.

As technology improves, it makes programming worse. I imagine within 5 years you won't be able to watch any major sports programming without a package, but thats another issue altogether.

Gary J
02-15-07, 10:06 AM
I personnaly could give a crap about local news and info, I just want the network programming
These kind of personal preference arguments never work. There are plenty of people who would say - I personnaly (sic) could give a crap about network programming, I just want local news and info.

ElwayLite
02-15-07, 10:13 AM
My point is Gary, we should have the CHOICE. The local networks should not restrict what we can view. I know personnel arguments never work, fact was I was stating an angry opinion.

What makes me pissed, is Sinclair was one of the companies that told me "NO, you cannot get national HD feeds through D*", now low and behold they cannot get along with my provider so they are going to take the whole damn channel away, its bull$hit.

Why do viewers have to compete for programming, should it not be the other way around? Should a Sinclair local not have to compete with a national feed?

tc1
02-15-07, 10:19 AM
My .02. Have OTA only and it is more then I need. So this cable stuff doesn't affect me, YET. IMHO the broadcasters should be paying the cable/sat companies to provide their weak transmissions to a greater audience then they reach OTA not the other way around! What I can envision is the regular networks decide to not bother with the expense and aggravation of transmission and sell everything to cable/sat. Check your monthly bill then since there won't be any option other then cable/sat! Of course the commercials will still be there and will of course cost the advertisers more because of a "larger audience". And then the product price will be raised to cover additional ad costs, and then... :(

Gary J
02-15-07, 10:22 AM
Tell that to your local car dealer whose commercials you are not seeing because you are watching a national feed. And Sinclair will gladly provide you with their channel if Comcast pays up. Just like Mediacom, TWC, D*, E* and FIOS do.

MBentley
02-15-07, 10:24 AM
Do you seriously think that it's going to be Comcast that pays the fifty cents?

ElwayLite
02-15-07, 10:24 AM
tc1, you made a point I never considered.

Would WTAT have more viewers with or without cable/sat? I think I'd support Comcast if they decided not to pay. If I miss 24 and prison break, Ill just get em off my Netflix.

ElwayLite
02-15-07, 10:28 AM
Do you seriously think that it's going to be Comcast that pays the fifty cents?


I almost hope not, this whole situation is liable to get out of hand like class action lawsuits.

And I honestly could care less about the local car dealer and his ads.

Here's my selfish view, I'm paying for the service, so I should be able to watch what I want if it's available. If DirecTv had the ability to give me national HD feeds, then I should get them. The law should be changed and you should not need permission from a local provider.

Is local programming not a monopoly in this sense?

MBentley
02-15-07, 10:29 AM
It'd only be a monopoly if there was only one local provider and it was the only means of getting a tv signal.

Gary J
02-15-07, 10:30 AM
Do you seriously think that it's going to be Comcast that pays the fifty cents?
Nope. It's going to be you that gets it in the end, so to speak. :eek: Pay up or get a different provider.

ElwayLite
02-15-07, 10:33 AM
It'd only be a monopoly if there was only one local provider and it was the only means of getting a tv signal.

Ok, my only means of getting Fox programming in my area is through WTAT. That's not a monopoly? Why can't I have the option of getting a national?

ElwayLite
02-15-07, 10:34 AM
Nope. It's going to be you that gets it in the end, so to speak. :eek: Pay up or get a different provider.

Gary, have you seen anything that would lead you to believe that TWC is going to up your bill after their deal?

Gary J
02-15-07, 10:35 AM
And I honestly could care less about the local car dealer and his ads.

Here's my selfish view, I'm paying for the service
You are still not getting this part. You and the local car dealer are paying for the service.

Gary J
02-15-07, 10:40 AM
Gary, have you seen anything that would lead you to believe that TWC is going to up your bill after their deal?Not yet. Look up Time Warner's (not just TWC) financial statements last year. They made one billion dollars (that's billiion with a "b"). But sure they are going to go up. Someone's got to pay for the triple play.

BTW, there is nothing illegal about a monopoly.

tc1
02-15-07, 10:40 AM
Do you seriously think that it's going to be Comcast that pays the fifty cents?

Certainly! Comcast is a nonprofit organization whose share holders contribute their capital only for the public welfare right?? :D

tc1
02-15-07, 10:50 AM
Not yet. Look up Time Warner's (not just TWC) financial statements last year. They made one billion dollars (that's billiion with a "b"). But sure they are going to go up. Someone's got to pay for the triple play.

BTW, there is nothing illegal about a monopoly.

Imagine what it would be without the sat companies. That being their only competition. :eek:

Satori84
02-15-07, 06:28 PM
Ok, my only means of getting Fox programming in my area is through WTAT. That's not a monopoly? Why can't I have the option of getting a national?

Maybe a better term for the business arrangement is "exclusive franchise"?

WTAT is an affiliate of the Fox Network. In exchange for contractually agreed compensation and other consideration, Fox allows WTAT, and NO ONE ELSE in the market, to broadcast its national program material. WTAT may or may not get significant money for the national spots (ads) that are imbedded in the program stream, but you can bet your bippy they get a lot of their income from the local spots run during the "local avails" in national programs, plus those run during locally produced programming (e.g. syndicated shows, local news and public affairs).

WTAT is a for-profit business. If it is to stay in business, it has to sell a lot of those local spots and be able to demonstrate to its clients that a certain number of eyeballs saw them. The eyeballs watching a national feed (or another city's affiliate) by satellite circumvents that exclusive franchise, so WTAT could and should insist that FOX not make it available to viewers who can reasonably expect to get its OTA signal.

Of course the OTA television business model is in a state of flux as alternative delivery means such as cable, satellite, and wired delivery like Fios and Internet proliferate. Maybe in a few years things will change, but for now the broadcast networks and their affiliated stations have a legitimate "closed" distribution model.

Mike

Gary J
02-15-07, 06:59 PM
Right. I believe we pretty much just said all of that. :eek:

leverage7
02-16-07, 08:13 AM
Doesn't seem like it would be just a "Comcast" problem. I have not noticed it as I do not watch the office.

Does anyone know why this would be? Like clockwork, the office is in SD until 8:53 on the dot where it switches over to HD. This is VERY annoying and I'm not sure where the problem would be coming from if it's not Comcast.

Thanks, Ben

cgking114
02-17-07, 09:51 AM
Does anyone know why this would be? Like clockwork, the office is in SD until 8:53 on the dot where it switches over to HD. This is VERY annoying and I'm not sure where the problem would be coming from if it's not Comcast.

Thanks, Ben


Uh the problem would be WCBD. It is the same way OTA. E-mail them and tell them about it. I did. They must flip the switch with a timer or something. If it is not them then it is NBC. It isn't Comcast thats for sure.

atp1313
02-18-07, 04:56 PM
Given how windy it has been today, my OTA reception for CBS was crap. Glad I noticed it early enough in the GT/Duke game to be able to flip over to my ATSC feed from C*. However, the C* feed was almost unwatchable due to the static that appeared whenever the crowd noise was elevated. I didn't notice that it was any worse on the voice-over vs ambient noise, but it was prevelant throughout the game. Can they not get this fixed!?!

And on another note, I heard that the entire ACC tournament will be shot in HD this year (YEAH!!!), but do we know if the Lincoln/Raycom partners here in town will be retransmitting in HD? We know WCSC is HD-capable, but is WMMP? Aren't they the other Lincoln feeder? It may not matter much since I am going to Tampa for the tourney, but I might want to setup my DVR to record so I can watch replays when I get home.

shuttermaker
02-18-07, 05:02 PM
Given how windy it has been today, my OTA reception for CBS was crap. Glad I noticed it early enough in the GT/Duke game to be able to flip over to my ATSC feed from C*. However, the C* feed was almost unwatchable due to the static that appeared whenever the crowd noise was elevated. I didn't notice that it was any worse on the voice-over vs ambient noise, but it was prevelant throughout the game. Can they not get this fixed!?!

And on another note, I heard that the entire ACC tournament will be shot in HD this year (YEAH!!!), but do we know if the Lincoln/Raycom partners here in town will be retransmitting in HD? We know WCSC is HD-capable, but is WMMP? Aren't they the other Lincoln feeder? It may not matter much since I am going to Tampa for the tourney, but I might want to setup my DVR to record so I can watch replays when I get home.

I could be wrong but best i can remember, ive never seen any programming on WMMP in HD

atp1313
02-18-07, 05:40 PM
I could be wrong but best i can remember, ive never seen any programming on WMMP in HD
I seem to recall seeing the "HD" logo in my D* on-screen guide for 36-1, but I have never watched anything or tried to watch anything that was in HD on that channel. I guess the guide info could be wrong, but isn't that sent out by the local station?

EyebeeKimjac
02-18-07, 09:49 PM
I'm in N. Chas. Have Comcast. Got most all the regular SD channels (inc premium) and have HSI too.

Generally pleased with the service, but I'd like to know the best route to take to be able to receive HDTV AND be able to record this to my PC, and be able to play this back on my PC LCD monitor. I've got a PVR in two computers here already on seperate boxes.

I'd like to be able to use something like BeyondTV or GB-PVR, but with the regular boxes at least, there is no channel change. It would be nice to be able to choose and record, and particularly to be able to schedule recordings remotely.

Setting that up is easy enough, but it's the hardware side of things, I'm unfamiliar with.

shuttermaker
02-18-07, 10:36 PM
With the addition of FOX in HD, I switched back to TWC a couple of weeks ago. While browsing their website I stumbled upon this.


** IMPORTANT ** PLEASE READ **

Time Warner Cable's agreements with programmers to carry their services routinely expire from time to time. We are usually able to obtain renewals or extensions of such agreements with programmers are due to expire soon, and we may be required to cease carriage one or more of these services in the near future: BET; BET on Jazz; MTV; MTV 2; MTV Hits; Nickelodeon; Nickelodeon Games & Sports; Nick Toons; Noggin; VH-1; VH1 Classic.


I wonder when the ax might fall and, which of these we might lose. IMO none of them are deal breakers for me but, there are at least 2 that I would be unhappy to lose.

shuttermaker
02-18-07, 10:39 PM
I'm in N. Chas. Have Comcast. Got most all the regular SD channels (inc premium) and have HSI too.

Generally pleased with the service, but I'd like to know the best route to take to be able to receive HDTV AND be able to record this to my PC, and be able to play this back on my PC LCD monitor. I've got a PVR in two computers here already on seperate boxes.

I'd like to be able to use something like BeyondTV or GB-PVR, but with the regular boxes at least, there is no channel change. It would be nice to be able to choose and record, and particularly to be able to schedule recordings remotely.

Setting that up is easy enough, but it's the hardware side of things, I'm unfamiliar with.

You should search the Home Theater Computers thread for these answers. Lots of experts there.

ElwayLite
02-19-07, 06:08 AM
Post and Courier stated the other day that Comcast rates are going up in March. I had heard they were in other markets also.

On the Office sd/hd issue, Ive read in other forums where people are complaining of the same issue, maybe its an issue the network is having.

KurosawasGhost
02-19-07, 12:29 PM
yeah it looks like sinclair and comcast are close to a deal....we'll see.....

http://www.alternet.org/story/21290/

cgking114
02-19-07, 08:02 PM
WMMP 36-1 is now HD!!!!!!!

lancer1991
02-19-07, 10:09 PM
Has anyone noticed that WCBD local news is not a nice crisp picture like it use to be? At first I just thought it was a setting on one of my TV's, but just noticed it on the other one. They use to have the best picture quality of all the locals, now it seems like WCIV and WCSC have better picture than they use to and WCBD took a step back.

I think when I spoke with Sam Barclay one day he said they had digital cameras and he bumped up the output to 5something (whatever PAL is sounds about right).

atp1313
02-20-07, 01:37 AM
Has anyone noticed that WCBD local news is not a nice crisp picture like it use to be? At first I just thought it was a setting on one of my TV's, but just noticed it on the other one. They use to have the best picture quality of all the locals, now it seems like WCIV and WCSC have better picture than they use to and WCBD took a step back.

I think when I spoke with Sam Barclay one day he said they had digital cameras and he bumped up the output to 5something (whatever PAL is sounds about right).
Don't know anything about the last part of your comment, but I have noticed the PQ has gone WAY DOWN for Channel 2. The main reason I record them is/was the PQ. It certainly isn't for the content. Not trying to start anything with fans from any station...they all have serious issues with quality of reporting so for me it boils down to PQ. Channel 4 almost looks like they are shooting from inside a cave (dark and grainy), and Channel 5 scares me with Bill "I love myself" Sharpe and Debi "No, really, I have never had a facelift" Chard, and the Weather Leprechaun.

sorry about that...been a long day... :o

lancer1991
02-20-07, 09:44 PM
Couple weeks ago I grabbed a HDMI to DVI cable to connect to my TV to free up a component connection and all has been well until recently. When I turn on the TV I have the horizontal gray bars. After some shuffling around I can get it out of 480P and into HD. I originally had it at Upconvert-1, but changed it over to the Auto DVI/HDMI setting and still getting it.

I had this problem when I first got the 8300 box and I believe it was a firmware issue and I know we just had a firmware upgrade, so I'm wondering if this is the cause.

kevin49er
02-20-07, 10:57 PM
yeah it looks like sinclair and comcast are close to a deal....we'll see.....

http://www.alternet.org/story/21290/


Yeah, I just read that article... and now it seems clear what Sinclair is up to...

"We will create a stink about wanting to be paid for our local feeds, then settle at the last second if the cable companies agree to carry our conservative news station into all local homes served by our local feeds."

I guess that is pretty good leverage bargaining, but it sucks for the consumer left in limbo...

Darthtom
02-22-07, 09:09 AM
Yeah, I just read that article... and now it seems clear what Sinclair is up to...

"We will create a stink about wanting to be paid for our local feeds, then settle at the last second if the cable companies agree to carry our conservative news station into all local homes served by our local feeds."

I guess that is pretty good leverage bargaining, but it sucks for the consumer left in limbo...


The problem with that theory is that they carry liberal crap also. It's not a conservative/liberal things, it is a greed thing. Sinclair owns many stations around the country.... not just Fox stations.

kjpjr
02-22-07, 10:03 AM
The problem with that theory is that they carry liberal crap also. It's not a conservative/liberal things, it is a greed thing. Sinclair owns many stations around the country.... not just Fox stations.

It is a greed thing but to say that Sinclair carries a balanced agenda is far from the truth.

In April 2004, Sinclair ordered seven of its stations not to air Ted Koppel's Nightline broadcast featuring a roll call of the 700 U.S. troops who had died in Iraq. Republican Sen. John McCain, who was a prisoner of war in Vietnam, was among the many who criticized Sinclair's action. In October 2004, Sinclair planned to air "Stolen Honor" an hour-long attack film about John Kerry. Only a concerted effort by the public Stopped Sinclair then. Sinclair also regularly airs right-wing commentary on its local news without and moderate or progressive counterbalance.
Sources: PBS, 10/12/04, "Sinclair Under Fire for Decision to Air Anti-Kerry Film";

Despite lacking a household name, Sinclair Broadcasting Group is the largest owner of local TV stations in the country — they own more than 62 stations in 39 different TV markets. Their programming reaches more than 1/4 of all U.S. households, making them an extremely powerful gatekeeper of information. Yet it appears that Sinclair has repeatedly abused that power.

Sinclair has become infamous for:

* Conflicts of Interest - Whether in the form of programming decisions (such as the censorship of Nightline) or financial contributions, Sinclair has consistently supported exclusively Republican politicians who have pushed to loosen media ownership rules so that giants like Sinclair can grow even bigger.

* The practice of "Central-casting" - Sinclair pipes pre-recorded weather, news, and right-wing editorial commentary to local affiliates from a central studio in Maryland, creating the false appearance of 'local' news, killing off real localism, and eliminating local jobs.

* Its quest for more local stations - The company continues to seek control of more stations in local communities than is allowed under FCC rules (despite being fined in 2001), and maintains a legally and ethically questionable relationship with an apparent 'front' company that serves only to buy stations in cities where Sinclair cannot.

The full report referred to above

http://www.sinclairwatch.org/sinclair_report.pdf

And a further link

http://men.style.com/gq/features/full?&id=content_4024

b4z
02-22-07, 05:00 PM
When I watched AI last night it seememd like there was almost no LR and rear channel info.
Mostly center. Is that they way it usually is?

AndrewG
02-23-07, 10:12 AM
Couple weeks ago I grabbed a HDMI to DVI cable to connect to my TV to free up a component connection and all has been well until recently. When I turn on the TV I have the horizontal gray bars. After some shuffling around I can get it out of 480P and into HD. I originally had it at Upconvert-1, but changed it over to the Auto DVI/HDMI setting and still getting it.

I had this problem when I first got the 8300 box and I believe it was a firmware issue and I know we just had a firmware upgrade, so I'm wondering if this is the cause.


I get the same thing now, and used to get it a while ago. I use a component connection and if I start on ESPN or ABC (720p stations) it will be in 480 and I have to switch to any 1080i station, where it will switch to 1080i, then back to a 720p station and all is good. I think this is a software / firmware issue, because it started when they upgraded the software in the boxes, in the last couple of weeks.

I like the other new features, like not joining a recording programing in the middle but allowing a start from beginning. But this other "feature" is a little annoying.

Andy

AndrewG
02-23-07, 10:32 AM
Post and Courier stated the other day that Comcast rates are going up in March. I had heard they were in other markets also.

On the Office sd/hd issue, Ive read in other forums where people are complaining of the same issue, maybe its an issue the network is having.

Same lame stations new improved price.

tfletche
02-23-07, 01:38 PM
I am interested to know what, if any, response people have gotten after calling to WCBD. I watched The Office last night, and for about the 5th show in a row, it exhibits the above-mentioned sd/hd behavior. when they come back from the second commercial break for the final segment, it is finally HD. And then, of course, the picture and audio freeze at least 2 times (always right during a punchline, of course!)

I meant to call them last week, just wondering if anyone else has.

leverage7
02-23-07, 04:33 PM
I am interested to know what, if any, response people have gotten after calling to WCBD. I watched The Office last night, and for about the 5th show in a row, it exhibits the above-mentioned sd/hd behavior. when they come back from the second commercial break for the final segment, it is finally HD. And then, of course, the picture and audio freeze at least 2 times (always right during a punchline, of course!)

I meant to call them last week, just wondering if anyone else has.

I sent an email to them last week but didn't hear anything back.

Eddie39
02-25-07, 05:53 PM
I'm watching NASCAR on WTATDT 24 OTA and having a lot of audio drop out.

shuttermaker
02-25-07, 05:55 PM
I'm watching NASCAR on WTAT 24 OTA and having a lot of audio drop out.


TWC feed just froze.

Eddie39
02-25-07, 06:01 PM
I just lost all Charleston stations with the storm.

Jasonp55
02-25-07, 06:25 PM
As of right now, I've got WCBD and WTAT (kind of) I can't pick up WCIV, WCSC, or WITV since the storm. Anyone else?

King Jumungus
02-25-07, 08:58 PM
I recently purchased a TV with a Digital Tuner. When I hook my (Comcast) Cable into it, I receive a few Digital Channels. Does anyone know or have any idea what channels I should get? Some of them don't seem to be in HD. Any insight will help! Thanks!

cgking114
02-26-07, 08:09 AM
I recently purchased a TV with a Digital Tuner. When I hook my (Comcast) Cable into it, I receive a few Digital Channels. Does anyone know or have any idea what channels I should get? Some of them don't seem to be in HD. Any insight will help! Thanks!


They should be the local HD feeds, The channels should be ABC, NBC, FOX,CBS, and PBS HD feeds along with the ETV SD digital feed. Not all programming will be in HD on the local feeds. The only programs in HD will be most prime time shows as well as select sporting events. Those are the ones I could pick up.

tc1
02-26-07, 09:41 AM
I recently purchased a TV with a Digital Tuner. When I hook my (Comcast) Cable into it, I receive a few Digital Channels. Does anyone know or have any idea what channels I should get? Some of them don't seem to be in HD. Any insight will help! Thanks!

Based on the wording of your question it would appear to me that maybe you are unaware of some basic information. Digital (DTV,ATSC) is required to have High Definition (HDTV). But you get HD only if it is recorded at the source and transmitted to you (cable/sat/OTA) in HD. At this point in time most programing is just DTV which is a vast improvment over the old analog (NTSC). If the broadcast is HD you will usualy see a small "HD" symbol in the bottom corner of your screen. Also in listings you will see HD by those programs that are High Definition not just Digital. :)

ElwayLite
02-26-07, 01:57 PM
Anyone seen anything new on the Comcast/Sinclair front, March 1st is approaching quickly.

I did some googling but didn't find much past 2-17 and none of it had an new update.

lancer1991
02-26-07, 09:13 PM
Anyone seen anything new on the Comcast/Sinclair front, March 1st is approaching quickly.

I did some googling but didn't find much past 2-17 and none of it had an new update.

Nothing except their huge price increases.

ElwayLite
02-26-07, 09:25 PM
Nothing accept their huge price increases.

Luckily Im locked into $49.95 a month for 12 mo's with digital basic because I left Directv.

ComcastCG
02-27-07, 09:05 AM
As most of you Comcast subscriber know, we are going to have some new channels on March 1st. First we are adding 3 new HD channels; UNI HD, A&E HD and NAT GEO HD. These will be channels 409,410 & 413, respectively.

There is also an option to subscribe to a Digital Sports and Entertainment Tier which will consist of Fox Soccer, Gol TV, NBA TV and FOX College Sports (Pacific, Central & Atlantic).

I hope you enjoy your new HD Channels.

Take Care

Chris

ElwayLite
02-27-07, 09:28 AM
As most of you Comcast subscriber know, we are going to have some new channels on March 1st. First we are adding 3 new HD channels; UNI HD, A&E HD and NAT GEO HD. These will be channels 409,410 & 413, respectively.

There is also an option to subscribe to a Digital Sports and Entertainment Tier which will consist of Fox Soccer, Gol TV, NBA TV and FOX College Sports (Pacific, Central & Atlantic).

I hope you enjoy your new HD Channels.

Take Care

Chris

Dude, just what I wanted to hear, very cool. Will they show up ON 3-1 or can you update us if they dont. Thanks again Chris.

shuttermaker
02-27-07, 09:31 AM
As most of you Comcast subscriber know, we are going to have some new channels on March 1st. First we are adding 3 new HD channels; UNI HD, A&E HD and NAT GEO HD. These will be channels 409,410 & 413, respectively.

There is also an option to subscribe to a Digital Sports and Entertainment Tier which will consist of Fox Soccer, Gol TV, NBA TV and FOX College Sports (Pacific, Central & Atlantic).

I hope you enjoy your new HD Channels.

Take Care

Chris

Ominously silent on the Sinclair situation ;)

Not a bad idea to find a March 1st silver lining, all things considered. :rolleyes:

ElwayLite
02-27-07, 09:33 AM
Ominously silent on the Sinclair situation ;)

Not a bad idea to find a March 1st silver lining, all things considered. :rolleyes:


I'm to the point where I support Comcast over Sinclair. If we lose fox, Ill just netflix PB and 24.

shuttermaker
02-27-07, 09:37 AM
I'm to the point where I support Comcast over Sinclair. If we lose fox, Ill just netflix PB and 24.

Most might agree to that thinking, until August rolls around and the NFL junkies cant get their fix.

ElwayLite
02-27-07, 10:14 AM
Most might agree to that thinking, until August rolls around and the NFL junkies cant get their fix.


Well, we know it won't last that long, I'm very confident in saying that.

What will happen if they lose the channel will just be like what Mediacom went through. Droves of customers will cancel and Comcast will be forced to pay something, I just don't want them to atleast give up without a fight. Hopefully the increases in fees will cover what they pay Sinclair and they will not raise the prices anymore.

People constantly complain about price increases but never realize how much they are spending on adding capacity. D* just went up and if you compare D* with a dvr and HD the prices are very close, so I am not complaining. At this point, I see Comcast making efforts to add HD content which is what I want. If they do not have HD locals when my 9month suspension ends with D*, I will cancel and stay with Comcast for sure.

bbarrie
02-27-07, 01:19 PM
Great news on the HD channels and great news on more soccer on tv. Maybe this is trying to soften the blow on raising rates?

I'm especially looking forward to Battlestar Galactica in HD on UNI... sweet.

KurosawasGhost
02-28-07, 01:15 AM
so whats the deal with fox?

im glad we can get the sports tier too.....is that hd also?

ElwayLite
02-28-07, 07:13 AM
so whats the deal with fox?

im glad we can get the sports tier too.....is that hd also?


I don't think the sports pack is HD.

Midnight tonight is supposed to be it for Fox, we'll see what happens.

JayRock
02-28-07, 09:27 AM
I don't think the sports pack is HD.

Midnight tonight is supposed to be it for Fox, we'll see what happens.

So if we lose FOX HD what options are we left with??

Knology in a few places or satellite? This is rather troublesome to me. I just read about this yesterday in the thread and its got me wondering what my options will be. I dont want to not be able to watch House and 24 and i dont want to have to download it and watch in on my pc. It kinda defeated the propose of having a 50" plasma and surround sound when I have to watch it on my 17" pc monitor. I dont want to pay more for cable with the rate increases and loss channels at the same time.

ElwayLite
02-28-07, 09:30 AM
There is not another option for WTAT HD unless you use OTA or Time Warner. Neither sat providers have hd locals here yet.

oljim
02-28-07, 09:33 AM
Get a UHF antenna

ElwayLite
02-28-07, 09:37 AM
Anyone have any luck with indoor antennas? I'm next to Devon Forest in Goose Creek and cannot have an outdoor antenna. Wondering if I can get any HD reception at all with an indoor.

JayRock
02-28-07, 09:41 AM
Yeah I in Tanner Plantation in Hananhan, we can't have outdoor antennas either. HOA will start sending nasty letters.

oljim
02-28-07, 09:53 AM
The FCC says you can put up an antenna on your house, HOAs can not stop you.

JayRock
02-28-07, 09:58 AM
The FCC says you can put up an antenna on your house, HOAs can not stop you.

You mean "ON" as in mount directly to the house? I would rather have a free standing antenna, but if I have to mount it to the house if i have no ohter options.

Hopefully Comcast will not drop WTAT and this is a non issue anyway.

kjpjr
02-28-07, 10:02 AM
The FCC says you can put up an antenna on your house, HOAs can not stop you.


The issue becomes exclusive use. If you have an area that is yours alone -- say a deck or patio the HOA cannot stop you from putting up a dish. But if it a common use area they can. In our condo we have no areas outside that are not common areas. We do not have a deck and the building is 8 units so the outside and the roof are common areas. We have been over and over this in our HOA and the key is exclusive use areas. If you own a free standing house and pay an HOA fee the outside walls and roof are probably yours and then you can put up the dish.

The HOA can write all the nasty's they want but exclusive use and you can put up the dish. The FCC backs you up on this --

JayRock
02-28-07, 10:10 AM
The issue becomes exclusive use. If you have an area that is yours alone -- say a deck or patio the HOA cannot stop you from putting up a dish. But if it a common use area they can. In our condo we have no areas outside that are not common areas. We do not have a deck and the building is 8 units so the outside and the roof are common areas. We have been over and over this in our HOA and the key is exclusive use areas. If you own a free standing house and pay an HOA fee the outside walls and roof are probably yours and then you can put up the dish.

The HOA can write all the nasty's they want but exclusive use and you can put up the dish. The FCC backs you up on this --

Well thats good to know. Thanks for the info.

oljim
02-28-07, 10:11 AM
The same FCC rules for a dish is same for a antenna
www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html

ElwayLite
02-28-07, 10:35 AM
I'm a townhome renter who can only have an antenna in a bucket on my fairly small patio, so thats a no go. Back to my original post, anyone using an indoor that works worth a crap?

oljim
02-28-07, 10:45 AM
Try a R/S uhf ant with the bucket, it will work better than a indoor #15-2160 for $25

ElwayLite
02-28-07, 10:47 AM
Try a R/S uhf ant with the bucket, it will work better than a indoor #15-2160 for $25


Aight, Ill check it out.

oljim
02-28-07, 10:55 AM
Here we go again with ant info. for the Charleston area
There is no such thing as HD ant. all ants. are UHF, VHF or both all you need is a UHF. all local stations are on DTV ch 30 to 50
AMPs will not help a poor ant. and could hurt signal by adding noise. do not buy an amp if it does not give a noise figure of under 3 DB. CM 7777 and 7775 are 2 DB. Most R/S amps are 4+ lower is gooder
Attic install can reduce signal by 50%
If you have a sat system, run a cable just for ant, diplexers will reduce signal and give you a nightmare if you want to add a amp for ant.
Dish clipon ant suck
Here is a list of comman UHF ant with net gain for ch30 to 50, with price. more gain is better
CM 4228 gain 15-16 DB $49
CM 4221 gain 12-13 DB $25
Winegard 4400 11-13 DB $19
Terk 32 same as 4400 11-13 $90
R/S 15-2160 12-13 DB $25
Square Shooter 6-8 DB $99
Terk HDTVs 6-8 DB $130
Silver Sencer indoor 7 DB best bet for indoor ant
Price was from Solidsignal.com and has picture of all the above ant.
HOAs can NOT keep you from putting up a ant on you property.
And last but not least ONLY A JERK WILL SELL YOU A TERK
Here is some ant info :D

LuvThatHDTV
02-28-07, 10:57 AM
I'm a townhome renter who can only have an antenna in a bucket on my fairly small patio, so thats a no go. Back to my original post, anyone using an indoor that works worth a crap?

Also, the Zenith Silver Sensor works great as an indoor antenna, and it also works well with a cable/antenna booster. Radio Shack used to sell a bunch of the boosters years ago when there was only analog cable around. Not sure if anyone still makes them but the two I have helped a bunch when Fox was in West Ashley and NBC was in Mount Pleasant.

KurosawasGhost
02-28-07, 11:03 AM
so have they said that we are officially losing fox then? or is it just lack of any news? has anyone called comcast?

ElwayLite
02-28-07, 11:07 AM
so have they said that we are officially losing fox then? or is it just lack of any news? has anyone called comcast?

I still have not seen anything either way.

ComcastCG told me the other day when he posted the new channels that he had not heard anything.

ElwayLite
02-28-07, 11:08 AM
Here is some ant info :D

Thanks.

tc1
02-28-07, 11:51 AM
So if we lose FOX HD what options are we left with??

Knology in a few places or satellite? This is rather troublesome to me. I just read about this yesterday in the thread and its got me wondering what my options will be. I dont want to not be able to watch House and 24 and i dont want to have to download it and watch in on my pc. It kinda defeated the propose of having a 50" plasma and surround sound when I have to watch it on my 17" pc monitor. I dont want to pay more for cable with the rate increases and loss channels at the same time.


"its got me wondering what my options will be."


You said house so FYI:

I live in Pimlico. $25 RS ant in attic. 92/96 reception on all local channels. Signal split to 42" plasma and PC with Win MCE2005 and FUSION HDTV card. PC out to plasma and A/V reciever gives me PVR/TIVO/EPG and surround sound capability beautiful pic and sound OTA and no monthly charge for anything. :D :D

Of course I only have local channels but that provides enough for me with the PVR capability. :)

KurosawasGhost
02-28-07, 12:02 PM
For what its worth, and GRANTED who knows if this employee even knows....but I called to inquire about the new HD channels and the new digital sports tier and asked them if they knew if we were going to lose fox, fox hd, or both and she said that we shouldn't be experiencing any service interruptions with that.

Now....who knows if she knew, or had any clue what was going on....because most comcast employees will say they don't know even if they do.....but hopefully she was right....just throwing that out there.

JayRock
02-28-07, 12:19 PM
For what its worth, and GRANTED who knows if this employee even knows....but I called to inquire about the new HD channels and the new digital sports tier and asked them if they knew if we were going to lose fox, fox hd, or both and she said that we shouldn't be experiencing any service interruptions with that.

Now....who knows if she knew, or had any clue what was going on....because most comcast employees will say they don't know even if they do.....but hopefully she was right....just throwing that out there.

I guess we will find out at midnight tonight if she's right or not.

ElwayLite
02-28-07, 12:47 PM
I guess we will find out at midnight tonight if she's right or not.

I have seen in some articles that certain areas have till 3-5, but who the hell knows at this point because noone is talking.

shuttermaker
02-28-07, 01:22 PM
I have seen in some articles that certain areas have till 3-5, but who the hell knows at this point because noone is talking.

Perhaps those hours (3-5) are due to time zones. Just a guess.

Oh wait...did you mean March 5th ?

KurosawasGhost
02-28-07, 01:31 PM
has there been any chatter on some of the other threads in the cities where this is possibly going to happen? i haven't really seen anything at all from other comcast-sinclair cities.....

ElwayLite
02-28-07, 02:12 PM
Perhaps those hours (3-5) are due to time zones. Just a guess.

Oh wait...did you mean March 5th ?


Yeah, I meant March 3rd-5th.

The only thing I have seen today is this article:

Article (http://www.tvpredictions.com/richmond022807.htm)


other than that I'm pretty sure the deal is the same everywhere.

KurosawasGhost
02-28-07, 02:13 PM
interesting article.....maybe comcast has the weight it needs to play hardball.....

http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bal-bz.sinclair28feb28,0,5286641.story?page=2&coll=bal-home-headlines

eithher way, if we lose out...i bet it won't last long.....CBC is the one that i worry about next though.....lol such is life.

ElwayLite
02-28-07, 02:29 PM
interesting article.....maybe comcast has the weight it needs to play hardball.....

http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bal-bz.sinclair28feb28,0,5286641.story?page=2&coll=bal-home-headlines

eithher way, if we lose out...i bet it won't last long.....CBC is the one that i worry about next though.....lol such is life.


Yeah, currently TW and Comcast have said they won't pay CBS anything right now because their contract does not come up until 2009.

JayRock
02-28-07, 02:51 PM
interesting article.....maybe comcast has the weight it needs to play hardball.....

http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bal-bz.sinclair28feb28,0,5286641.story?page=2&coll=bal-home-headlines

eithher way, if we lose out...i bet it won't last long.....CBC is the one that i worry about next though.....lol such is life.

Yeah hopefully Comcast will not back down. This is going to affect lots of people. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

lancer1991
02-28-07, 09:36 PM
I'm getting a flipping or scroll mark through my screen every 30 seconds or so. Not sure if this is an issue from the firmware upgrade on Comcast or whether it is from going from component cables to hdmi to dvi. Anyone else experiencing this?

Any update from NBC on fixing their audio drops on Comcast? Getting even worse lately. Even happening in the morning news and horrible through Wheel and Jeopardy.

KurosawasGhost
03-01-07, 01:18 AM
btw how are they going to add the new hd channels....i heard it was going to be like 409-411 but those are music channels....are they going to replace them or what?

just wondering...also....are we getting them today? (3/1) or later on?

thanks guys....btw as of 1:17am fox is still up....but that means nothing since i think its 2 or 3am if no deal is reached.....keeping fingers crossed! off to bed....

ElwayLite
03-01-07, 07:47 AM
Well, the moved the orginal hd channels to the 400's which was confusing, but the new hd channels are in the 200's which is good. Also see the new Fox sports channels that come in the package.

I swear Univ HD has one of the best pictures out there, I always loved it on D*.

Anyways, Sinclair/Comcast extended the deadline again but it was not stated how long so we are not out of the woods yet.

JayRock
03-01-07, 09:19 AM
Well, the moved the orginal hd channels to the 400's which was confusing, but the new hd channels are in the 200's which is good. Also see the new Fox sports channels that come in the package.

I swear Univ HD has one of the best pictures out there, I always loved it on D*.

Anyways, Sinclair/Comcast extended the deadline again but it was not stated how long so we are not out of the woods yet.

Yeah I cann't wait to see BSG in HD!!

bbarrie
03-01-07, 09:27 AM
So, I'm delighted to have the new HD channels... just a little confused about the arrangement.
The new HD channels are 208, 210 and 211 (UNI, NatGeo, A&E)
then 302-380 are the non-HD premium movie channels
then 403-412 are the other non-movie HD channels (ESPN, DISC, MHD, etc.)
then 416-419 are the HD premium movie channels
then 431-440 are the HD network channels (ABC, NBC, FOX, PBS)

I like going back to the HD movie channels grouped together, but the rest of it is all over the place. Also the new sports tier is way up in the pay-per-view area with the NBA channels.

IMPORTANT NOTE: All of my scheduled recordings are now set for the wrong channels. It would be folly to assume that the SA software is smart enough to change the recording to the new channel.

Also re: Fox... my understanding was that we could lose it as early as 3/1 meaning that it would now be in Sinclair's power to pull it whenever they like... maybe waiting for the eve of the next big event like a NASCAR race or a 24 finale.

ElwayLite
03-01-07, 09:39 AM
So, I'm delighted to have the new HD channels... just a little confused about the arrangement.
The new HD channels are 208, 210 and 211 (UNI, NatGeo, A&E)
then 302-380 are the non-HD premium movie channels
then 403-412 are the other non-movie HD channels (ESPN, DISC, MHD, etc.)
then 416-419 are the HD premium movie channels
then 431-440 are the HD network channels (ABC, NBC, FOX, PBS)

I like going back to the HD movie channels grouped together, but the rest of it is all over the place. Also the new sports tier is way up in the pay-per-view area with the NBA channels.

IMPORTANT NOTE: All of my scheduled recordings are now set for the wrong channels. It would be folly to assume that the SA software is smart enough to change the recording to the new channel.

Also re: Fox... my understanding was that we could lose it as early as 3/1 meaning that it would now be in Sinclair's power to pull it whenever they like... maybe waiting for the eve of the next big event like a NASCAR race or a 24 finale.


The Baltimore Sun reported this morning that they agreed to a last minute extension but the time frame was no reported. They have not worked out a deal yet.

I and I agree the HD locations are screwy, they should all be together, but at least we have em.

LuvThatHDTV
03-01-07, 09:40 AM
From Charleston.net

Comcast, cable provider extend agreement to March 10
Thursday, March 01, 2007

American Idol fans can exhale.

The local channel that carries the popular program won't be discontinued to
Comcast Corp. subscribers as a result of a contract dispute between the
company and its provider, Sinclair Broadcasting Group Inc.

The two companies decided to extend their current transmission agreement
until March 10 while continuing to negotiate the terms of a new one. The
original agreement expired at 2 a.m. this morning.

The local Fox affiliate, WTAT, Channel 6, and WMMP-My TV, Channel 13, were
at risk of being shut off to Comcast subscribers if the two companies hadn't
resigned or extended the agreement.

ElwayLite
03-01-07, 09:57 AM
They just put all the HD channels in the 400's, much better now.

bbarrie
03-01-07, 10:30 AM
They just put all the HD channels in the 400's, much better now.

No, the new one's are in the 200's -- that's really the screwiest part.

ElwayLite
03-01-07, 10:50 AM
No, the new one's are in the 200's -- that's really the screwiest part.

The new ones WERE in the 200's this morning. They are now ALL(old and new) in the 400's on my dvr guide.

KurosawasGhost
03-01-07, 11:04 AM
here is the link to the story aboutthe extention and possible deal.....

http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bal-sinclairupdate0301,0,1369466.story?coll=bal-business-headlines

ElwayLite
03-01-07, 11:08 AM
I wonder if we'll ever hear the agreement details(ie: will Sinclair keep it quiet if Comcast beats em down on the the price).

ElwayLite
03-01-07, 11:24 AM
Onto something new. Any ideas or comments on if we'll EVER get a CW HD feed OTA or otherwise?

bbarrie
03-01-07, 12:08 PM
The new ones WERE in the 200's this morning. They are now ALL(old and new) in the 400's on my dvr guide.

So they are... much better. Plus you can sneak a peak at the porn-per-view titles when browsing the network titles.

And as to the CW, I think the fact that both NBC and CW have persistantly recurring glitches (which btw, i'd like to figure out if they happen at the same time) tells us that there's probably barely enough bandwidth for what they're broadcasting now, so unless the FCC reevalutates the multiple station ownership policy, probably not.

ComcastCG
03-01-07, 05:08 PM
There were many questions in the last day. It looks like you already have the answers but I will touch on them again.

Fox - I don’t have anything then you already know. An extension was reached and out new deadline is March 10th.

HD Channels - They are all now in the 400s. The music channels are now in the 800s.

Sports Tier - Is only in SD.

Let me know if I missed anything. As soon as I hear information regarding Fox, I will pass it along.

ElwayLite
03-01-07, 05:24 PM
There were many questions in the last day. It looks like you already have the answers but I will touch on them again.

Fox - I don’t have anything then you already know. An extension was reached and out new deadline is March 10th.

HD Channels - They are all now in the 400s. The music channels are now in the 800s.

Sports Tier - Is only in SD.

Let me know if I missed anything. As soon as I hear information regarding Fox, I will pass it along.

Thanks Chris. Tell the guys upstairs to start hunting down the new Chiller station!

mikeld999
03-01-07, 06:40 PM
Thanks for the info. You mentioned the new Sports Tier is SD. Are these the new Fox Soccer channel, GolTV, and the Fox Sports channels? I believe they are in the 700's. Do you have to subscribe to them to receive them because I tried to tune to the Soccer channel and got the screen indicating that I wasn't subscribed. That's a bummer. I was hoping to watch the soccer channel quite a bit, but won't pay extra to get it, not with the increases in fees as of 3/1. :(

ElwayLite
03-01-07, 06:42 PM
Thanks for the info. You mentioned the new Sports Tier is SD. Are these the new Fox Soccer channel, GolTV, and the Fox Sports channels? I believe they are in the 700's. Do you have to subscribe to them to receive them because I tried to tune to the Soccer channel and got the screen indicating that I wasn't subscribed. That's a bummer. I was hoping to watch the soccer channel quite a bit, but won't pay extra to get it, not with the increases in fees as of 3/1. :(

They are an extra price pack, you have to call and order them. And as far as the fees go, I think sometimes people are a little unfair. You think its free for Comcast to add the HD channels?

KurosawasGhost
03-01-07, 06:51 PM
its only like 5 bucks extra for the sports channels....if you are a soccer fan thats a bargain!

King Jumungus
03-01-07, 07:26 PM
Based on the wording of your question it would appear to me that maybe you are unaware of some basic information. Digital (DTV,ATSC) is required to have High Definition (HDTV). But you get HD only if it is recorded at the source and transmitted to you (cable/sat/OTA) in HD. At this point in time most programing is just DTV which is a vast improvment over the old analog (NTSC). If the broadcast is HD you will usualy see a small "HD" symbol in the bottom corner of your screen. Also in listings you will see HD by those programs that are High Definition not just Digital. :)

Actually, I think I just worded my question wrong. In switching to my Digital Tuner, I get a few channels using my cable connection. Some are HD, some aren't. Like 100.3 is ESPN2HD. There are a couple of channels that seem to double. 77.1 and 77.4 are both FOX and 77.2 and 77.5 are SCETV. I was wondering if anyone actually had any idea on which channels Comcast broadcasts that are read by a digital tuner. I think I may have confused myself.

cbell2112
03-01-07, 08:07 PM
Was there a particular reason they moved the HD to the 400's? Is the service going to be better or was it just one of those things?

Caused me a bit of aggravation tonight.

lancer1991
03-01-07, 09:01 PM
Was there a particular reason they moved the HD to the 400's? Is the service going to be better or was it just one of those things?

Caused me a bit of aggravation tonight.

The re-programing everything definitely sucks, especially if you don't delete the existing programs first as you get conflict for more than two shows. Of course the other great thing is programing Grey's Anatomy "first run episodes" for Thursday and then turn around and find that it created a conflict on Friday as "first run" flag still doesn't work and it programed itself to record Friday.

How long does it take to get this fixed? I'm sure there are many more Comcast viewers that don't use this forum experiencing this issue and probably are not getting anywhere with an answer.

ElwayLite
03-01-07, 09:27 PM
The re-programing everything definitely sucks, especially if you don't delete the existing programs first as you get conflict for more than two shows. Of course the other great thing is programing Grey's Anatomy "first run episodes" for Thursday and then turn around and find that it created a conflict on Friday as "first run" flag still doesn't work and it programed itself to record Friday.

How long does it take to get this fixed? I'm sure there are many more Comcast viewers that don't use this forum experiencing this issue and probably are not getting anywhere with an answer.

Probably wont change until we get new software late in the year. Supposedly while Moto boxes are getting tivo software we'll be getting iGuide and then Tivo later.

tfletche
03-01-07, 09:40 PM
ok...i give up. why is WCBD HD on comcast stuck on a pic from The Office for 30 minutes now? (or is it just me?)

ElwayLite
03-01-07, 09:45 PM
ok...i give up. why is WCBD HD on comcast stuck on a pic from The Office for 30 minutes now? (or is it just me?)


Just looked, mine is stuck with a shaky pic and all I can hear is audio.

KurosawasGhost
03-01-07, 10:16 PM
yeah i love the office....but.....

lol

too funny

mikeld999
03-02-07, 06:57 AM
They are an extra price pack, you have to call and order them. And as far as the fees go, I think sometimes people are a little unfair. You think its free for Comcast to add the HD channels?

I know its not free for Comcast to add the HD channels and I'm willing to pay what I do every month for HD, Digital, and High Speed Internet in addition to basic cable. I guess my email sounded like "sour grapes". But what I really meant was that I kind of expected the soccer channel to be part of the digital package and I might or might not pay extra just for it. :p

ElwayLite
03-02-07, 07:17 AM
I know its not free for Comcast to add the HD channels and I'm willing to pay what I do every month for HD, Digital, and High Speed Internet in addition to basic cable. I guess my email sounded like "sour grapes". But what I really meant was that I kind of expected the soccer channel to be part of the digital package and I might or might not pay extra just for it. :p

I gotcha, I've been spending too much time on the broadband forums Comcast page because those guys complain a lot about pricing.

bbarrie
03-02-07, 01:58 PM
Personally I'm a soccer junkie and $5 is a bargain to get games and news from all over the world all day in a town without a decent soccer pub (other than the Three Lions Club, but that's only on gamenight). As an added bonus, the channels came on just in time for me to catch DC United and Houston move on to the semi-finals in an international tournament last night -- I was forced to listen to the first leg of the series on an internet radio stream.

And while I'm on soccer, some of you may not have heard (or cared) but ESPN has announced that it will broadcast all of it's MLS coverage in HD.

ElwayLite
03-03-07, 11:58 AM
I just found something out about the Chiller channel that will be HD this year, it's owned by Universal. Everyone has been saying that D* might have it exclusively, but being that UHD is now on Comcast, hopefully that means we will have access to the Chiller HD in the future.

For all you horror film guys out there.

KurosawasGhost
03-03-07, 03:50 PM
So what "big name" HD channels are left out there now that we would all like to see in Charleston...

Elway mentioned Chiller....that would be cool....we do seem to have a pretty good HD selection in Charleston...

I'd like to see the Food Network also....and if they ever go HD i would love the histroy channel....but i don't think its even available in HD.

Any 24 hour news channel would be sweet in HD too.....just gotta open up some bandwidth!

What else is out there that you wantto see soon or in the future?

ElwayLite
03-03-07, 03:55 PM
So what "big name" HD channels are left out there now that we would all like to see in Charleston...

Elway mentioned Chiller....that would be cool....we do seem to have a pretty good HD selection in Charleston...

I'd like to see the Food Network also....and if they ever go HD i would love the histroy channel....but i don't think its even available in HD.

Any 24 hour news channel would be sweet in HD too.....just gotta open up some bandwidth!

What else is out there that you want to see soon or in the future?

Chiller HD and HD Net Movies are my two big choices other than CW HD. CNN HD, FX HD and Sci Fi HD are rumored by years end and I'd love those.

I do feel we have a great lineup here in Charleston. Other than the above mentioned, I think Food and HGTV are the only two still left.

Once we have HD Net Movies, FX and Sci Fi I'm good to go.

Anyone sign up got the sports pack yet? I was wondering what the cost was.

I also think Comcast is trying to get the internet speeds to 16 down and 2 up which will be wicked.

atp1313
03-03-07, 04:51 PM
I also think Comcast is trying to get the internet speeds to 16 down and 2 up which will be wicked.

Can't speak for everyone else, but I am peaking at 14-15 down and right at 1 up. :D :D :D :D :D
If they keep these speeds going (or raising them anymore) I am happy to pay for this service. It's well worth it for me since I work from home and am constantly transferring GB's of data everyday.

atp1313
03-03-07, 04:53 PM
Just tested up/down to a server in Atlanta and here it is:
14850 down/800 up

ElwayLite
03-03-07, 05:08 PM
Just tested up/down to a server in Atlanta and here it is:
14850 down/800 up

Damn!

I get 5600/365 on my wired and 4700/350 on my wireless laptop downstairs. Maybe they don't have the +6mbs in my area yet.

KurosawasGhost
03-03-07, 05:37 PM
i forgot about sci-fi...yeah i def. want that!

the sports pack is 5 bucks extra and is worth it if you like to follow soccer.....

ClemsonKev
03-04-07, 12:30 AM
HELLO LOW COUNTRY!!!

Does anyone know what station is carrying the data used by TV Guide On Screen (Gemstar)??
Is it PBS? If so, which PBS station (7, 7.1, 7.2, etc.)??

http://www.tvguideonscreen.com/

tc1
03-04-07, 07:39 AM
HELLO LOW COUNTRY!!!

Does anyone know what station is carrying the data used by TV Guide On Screen (Gemstar)??
Is it PBS? If so, which PBS station (7, 7.1, 7.2, etc.)??

http://www.tvguideonscreen.com/

Ch 7 NTSC. It is ONLY on the analog ch 7 so you must keep 7 in your active, with clear signal, ch lineup even if you only watch 7.1 DTV for it to work.

Also my manuals said it MAY take a week to populate completely. It WILL take a week unless they changed it. This is because each night it downloads today, tomorrow and 8days from today. Which is a good design IMO but if you don't know this you think it's not working.

ElwayLite
03-04-07, 08:23 AM
Great news!


It's old (2-22), but new to me

"ESPNHD and ESPN2HD announced today that they will produce all 2007 coverage of NASCAR races, NBA telecasts, MLS telecasts, MLB telecasts, college football telecasts, National Hot Rod Association races and NFL Monday Night Football telecasts in high definition. "

Now if the big 4 would follow suit, at least on college football, my face would look like this every Saturday: :eek:

ElwayLite
03-04-07, 09:49 PM
Fox just announced that ALL regular season baseball games will be in HD.

KurosawasGhost
03-05-07, 12:02 PM
^^^sweet!

ComcastCG
03-05-07, 05:23 PM
Thanks for the info. You mentioned the new Sports Tier is SD. Are these the new Fox Soccer channel, GolTV, and the Fox Sports channels? I believe they are in the 700's. Do you have to subscribe to them to receive them because I tried to tune to the Soccer channel and got the screen indicating that I wasn't subscribed. That's a bummer. I was hoping to watch the soccer channel quite a bit, but won't pay extra to get it, not with the increases in fees as of 3/1. :(

You are correct. They are in the 700s. It is subscription based at $5 per month.

atp1313
03-08-07, 11:08 PM
You may recall my posts a couple of weeks ago about choosing to stay home instead of going down to Tampa for the ACC Tourney since the games would be broadcast in HD (a first for Lincoln Financial/Raycom Sports)...well, I should have coordinated my travel plans through the Channel 5 Master Control office. Apparently, to my utter disappointment and surprise, NONE OF THE GAMES ARE CARRIED LOCALLY IN HD!!! Except for the nationally carried ESPN2HD game tonight, all the other games are blacked out on ESPN and available only through channel 5 and one through WMMP. Apparently, in all their divine wisdom, the brain trust at WCSC decided that they would opt-out of the HD feed because of a payment concern to LF/RJP Sports.

What really hurts is that I could have been down there...and then the salt on the wound is that I am reading on all the different posts around the south about how wonderful it is to see the ACC Tourney in HD finally. It seems that just about every "major" market throughout the southeast opted for the HD feed.

WAY TO GO BONEHEADS AT WCSC!!!! :mad:

And another thing that was humorous was the first response I got when called to see if they forgot to "flip the switch" at noon. They claim that they can only retransmit HD feeds that come direct from the CBS mothership feed. How is it then that all these other markets who rebroadcast LF/RJP Sports syndicated feeds are showing it in HD? Took about 5 minutes to get the truth out of them: we just didn't want to spend the money. Maybe if they stopped overpaying those pathetic anchors on the local news they could afford to add some quality programming.

Okay, rant over.... :mad:

Gary J
03-09-07, 07:52 AM
Guess who owns the station?

atp1313
03-09-07, 10:15 AM
Guess who owns the station?
Please don't sayit...please don't say it...

It's not Lincoln Financial, is it? :rolleyes:

Gary J
03-09-07, 10:40 AM
Please don't sayit...please don't say it...

It's not Lincoln Financial, is it? :rolleyes:
Well then I guess I can't say it!

chsgas
03-09-07, 02:44 PM
Is anyone else having trouble receiving Channel 5-1 (WCSC Channel 5 DT) OTA

I get all the other channels fine but I came home yesterday to a blank screen.

I agree not showing the ACC Tournament in HD is pretty disgusting!!!!

Thanks!!

shuttermaker
03-09-07, 03:14 PM
The Business of Television
Comcast, Sinclair Reach Retrans Deal
By Mike Farrell MultiChannel News 3/9/2007

With barely one day to spare, Comcast and Sinclair Broadcast Group reached a retransmission-consent agreement for Sinclair stations representing about 3.4 million of the cable operator’s subscribers Friday.

While terms of the deal were not disclosed, Comcast said it did not pay cash for the right to carry Sinclair’s television signals.

“Comcast has achieved its objective of not paying cash for broadcast carriage that would need to be passed on to our customers,” executive vice president David Cohen said in a prepared statement. “Consistent with our existing agreement with Sinclair and all of our other retransmission-consent agreements, comparable value is being exchanged.”

The four-year deal -- it expires March 1, 2011 -- also calls for Comcast to carry digital-multicast channels Sinclair is currently broadcasting in Richmond, Va., and Baltimore, as well as certain other multicast channels in Comcast markets that the stations may broadcast in the future.

And the new deal involves advertising and co-marketing agreements, including Web opportunities, as well as advertising and cross-promotion opportunities on both companies’ properties.

“We have always been willing to discuss exchanges of value with broadcasters,” Cohen said in an interview. “Those exchanges of value vary from deal to deal. We have had with Sinclair an existing exchange of value where we’re paying cash but receiving marketing and advertising benefits back from Sinclair that are of comparable value to the payments we’re making. We were able to make a deal consistent with that model.”

Comcast’s existing deal with Sinclair was set to expire March 10. If the two parties hadn’t reached an agreement, Comcast was in danger of losing the right to carry Sinclair’s 37 stations in 23 markets -- mostly affiliates of Fox, MyNetworkTV and The CW -- in markets such as Baltimore; Pittsburgh; Minneapolis-St. Paul, Minn.; Nashville, Tenn.; Richmond, Va.; and Tampa. Fla.

Cable operators across the country were keeping a close eye on the negotiations. Sinclair -- just off a three-month battle with midsized cable operator Mediacom Communications, where Mediacom agreed to pay an estimated 40-50 cents per subscriber, per month for stations representing about 50% of its total footprint -- has been one of the more aggressive station groups pressing for cash for retransmission consent. Several operators have said in the past that if Comcast agreed to pay cash for the Sinclair signals, it would represent a paradigm shift in retransmission-consent negotiations.

Operators apparently have dodged that bullet for now.

“I think you can draw a deeper line in the sand,” Cohen said. “Those who would say that there is a sea change occurring in retransmission consent are premature in their assessment.”

While terms were not disclosed, Sinclair had more to lose in a protracted battle with the nation’s largest cable operator. Sinclair stations represented just 15% of Comcast’s total 24.2 million-subscriber footprint, while the Comcast markets accounted for more than 30% of Sinclair’s total advertising revenue. In addition, Comcast carries another Fox station in the Baltimore-Washington, D.C., market, so losing Sinclair’s Baltimore Fox affiliate would have had little effect on the cable operator.

http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6423098.html?display=Breaking+News




From this thread "Hot Off The Press! The Latest Television News and Info"

KTrout
03-09-07, 09:22 PM
I agree about WCSC dropping the ball. Please send an e-mail to the general manager Rita O'Neill expressing your disappointment.

gm@live5news.com

atp1313
03-10-07, 01:13 AM
I agree about WCSC dropping the ball. Please send an e-mail to the general manager Rita O'Neill expressing your disappointment.

gm@live5news.com
Good idea...below is a copy of what I just sent...now, everyone else who wishes they could have seen the ACC Tourney in HD, it's your turn. Let them know what a wasted opportunity they have squandered.
************************************************

Ms. O’Neill,

I would just like to share my disappointment with you over your station’s decision not to retransmit the 2007 ACC Tournament in HD. We, the local ACC-loving HD fans, had seen and heard that Lincoln Financial/Raycom Sports was FINALLY broadcasting the tournament in HD this year, and I based a decision not to go down to Tampa for the tournament largely on the fact that I could save a few bucks this year (as opposed to previous years when the tournament was played in Charlotte, Greensboro or Atlanta) and just stay home and watch all the action from the comfort of my home in the stunning clarity of HD. I was shocked and dismayed to find out Thursday afternoon when I turned on the first game that it was not in HD.

When I called Master Control to see if maybe someone simply forgot to “flip the switch”, I was told that the games would not be broadcast here in HD. I was asked to call back a few minutes later to allow the engineer to check his notes, and presumably to check with his supervisors. When I did call back, I spoke to another gentleman who informed me that the games would not be broadcast in HD because your station can only retransmit HD if it is fed to you through CBS. This sounded to me like I was being fed a line you-know-what. Before I called back, I checked some local and regional bulletin boards and discovered that almost every other “major” market in the southeast was carrying the HD feed. And they are not necessarily CBS outlets; these markets are carrying the ACC Tournament as a syndicated feed. So it must be available to any local franchise that chooses to buy into the Lincoln Financial package.

After pressing the issue, the engineer/supervisor informed me that the real reason was that your station’s management (and I assume that this includes you) had decided not to carry the HD feed due to financial considerations being required by Lincoln Financial. Correct me if I am wrong, but aren’t you owned by Lincoln Financial Group? Wouldn’t the feed be available to you for free or at least a deeply discounted rate. Seems odd that your ownership would require payment from themselves to transmit something that they are able to provide to themselves for little or no cost?

Needless to say, I am not the only one disappointed by your decision on this matter. WCSC has always been on the forefront of not just HD but all television technology in the Charleston Market. We have always looked to you to set the standard. And when the time comes to finally step up on an event with the local significance of the ACC Tournament, you have dropped the ball. I sincerely hope that you reevaluate this decision come March of 2008…that is if you are still in a position to make that decision.

Sincerely,

A. Thomas Price
Webmaster
CharlestonVirtualHomes (CVH360)
admin@cvh360.com

atp1313
03-10-07, 01:22 AM
CC'ed the three listed Sports anchors as well. Maybe they can feel some of the heat, or apply some themselves.

atp1313
03-10-07, 01:26 AM
I am also curious to know if WMMP is a franchise of LF/Raycom...they had the fourth game Thursday. How did they retransmit if they aren't with Lincoln? Any network/franchise has the right to bid on coverage, right? You don't have to be owned by Lincoln to show Lincoln's content, as long as you are willing to pay, right?

cbell2112
03-10-07, 09:58 AM
I sent a nasty email myself just now. Unbelievable how they can fail to broadcast the #1 conference tourney in HD when it is available.

atp1313
03-10-07, 01:47 PM
Now the ACC tourney is out of focus and scratchy. Maybe they need to run down to RS and pick up some new rabbit ears.... :mad:

cbell2112
03-10-07, 01:55 PM
It goes from bad to worse with these people. Now both channels have staticy audio and video.

Unbelievable.

lancer1991
03-10-07, 08:10 PM
Not in HD on WCBD as it is suppose to be, but what should one expect from a station that is going to preempt national golf coverage tomorrow for a telethon that could be run via interruptions several times an hour.

EDIT: My bad, Titan TV was showing in HD, but checking NBC.com it is not showing it HD. Still pissed about golf though. I'm sure if it was Nascar they'd ditch the telethon.

atp1313
03-10-07, 08:52 PM
Not in HD on WCBD as it is suppose to be, but what should one expect from a station that is going to preempt national golf coverage tomorrow for a telethon that could be run via interruptions several times an hour.

EDIT: My bad, Titan TV was showing in HD, but checking NBC.com it is not showing it HD. Still pissed about golf though. I'm sure if it was Nascar they'd ditch the telethon.
I called Master Control and was told point blank that it is NOT supposed to be in HD...so either the engineer is lying, ot the onscreen guide is lying.....
hmmmmm :confused:

atp1313
03-11-07, 12:22 AM
I just did some checking and see that the other "nearby" LF-owned affiliate (WBTV/Channel 3 in Charlotte) did announce that they would carry the ACC Tourney in HD. Hard to tell from looking at their site if they actually did, but it was announced back in February that they would. Does this mean that WBTV ponied up the cash? Or does this indicate that our local braintrust thought we would rather watch the game in SD?

Gary J
03-11-07, 07:42 AM
All golf this year is HD. I am watching it in HD on WIS TWC out of Columbia.

KurosawasGhost
03-11-07, 12:39 PM
the pregame show right now for the acc final clearly shows "ACC HD" on the mics!!!!! I mean its right there in plain view so whoever said its not supposed to be in HD is full of crap! lol and yet we get no HD in charleston......shameful.

lancer1991
03-11-07, 12:48 PM
All golf this year is HD. I am watching it in HD on WIS TWC out of Columbia.


Any way you can beam that signal down to us in Charleston so we can watch some golf?

Yeah, all golf is in HD. CBS has all handhelds in HD, but NBC is slacking and they don't have many if any, so it's a mix of SD and HD. Hopefully they'll get more cameras before the US Open. For those lucky enough to have Golf/VS HD, they have Thurs and Fri coverage in HD also.

atp1313
03-11-07, 12:55 PM
I am not sure which is worse: this non-HD coverage or the horrible coverage they gave the Duke/St Johns game back in 1998 (or was it 1999). If you might recall, Duke was playing up in NYC at MSG and the game went into OT. The game started at 12:00 noon (as a CBS national feed). At 2PM, WCSC was scheduled to show a USC basketball game (R/JP syndicated feed). So like the fine-tuned precision machine that they are, at precisely 2pm they switched their feed, right as the Duke game was going into OT. So instead of seeing a wonderful close overtime game with national seeding implications, we got to see unranked USC go down by 20 points in the first 5-10 minutes of their game, and ultimately lose by 25 or 30 points.

And let's not forget last year's "The Sky is Falling" interruptions of The Masters. Hours after the weather threat had passed our area, they continued to shrink the golf into a postage stamp-sized window while Bill Walsh continued to show us the radar loop from the past 5 hours....even though the sky was clear by now and the threat for the entire viewing area had passed. And it took them like an hour to figure out that they could even do a split screen of the radar and the golf coverage.

So while this current non-Hd issue sucks, can anyone really be surprised? :rolleyes:

atp1313
03-11-07, 01:12 PM
Go 'Pack!
GTHC!

Hatfield
03-11-07, 02:15 PM
I called Master Control and was told point blank that it is NOT supposed to be in HD...so either the engineer is lying, ot the onscreen guide is lying.....
hmmmmm :confused:
I hate dumb people. :rolleyes:
"Raycom Sports and Lincoln Financial Sports Will Produce 2007 ACC Men's Basketball Tournament in High Definition" (http://www.theacc.com/genrel/091806aaa.html)
"Raycom Sports and Lincoln Financial Sports Will Produce 2007 ACC Tournament in High Definition" (http://www.raycomsports.com/07HD.htm)

Lincoln Financial Media owns WCSC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Financial_Media#Television_stations)
WCSC is owned by Lincoln Financial Media (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WCSC)

Hatfield
03-11-07, 03:10 PM
The ESPN blackout must've expired at 3pm and the UNC/NC State game which I had been watching on WCSC in SD was not over yet. I was flipping around and caught the last 6 minutes of the game in HD on ESPN. So ESPN broadcast in HD, but WCSC just didn't. That's the long and short of it.

Hatfield
03-11-07, 03:30 PM
It's now 3:30pm and WCSC is broadcasting in HD. Wisconsin vs. Ohio State.

kevin49er
03-12-07, 10:20 AM
I hate dumb people. :rolleyes:
"Raycom Sports and Lincoln Financial Sports Will Produce 2007 ACC Men's Basketball Tournament in High Definition" (http://www.theacc.com/genrel/091806aaa.html)
"Raycom Sports and Lincoln Financial Sports Will Produce 2007 ACC Tournament in High Definition" (http://www.raycomsports.com/07HD.htm)

Lincoln Financial Media owns WCSC (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln_Financial_Media#Television_stations)
WCSC is owned by Lincoln Financial Media (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WCSC)

Wasn't he talking about "The Italian Job" on NBC Saturday night???

But to your point... I can't imagine why a LFM station would not get the "full" LFMS feed... kinda stupid if you ask me... so yes... I hate dumb people too.

kevin49er
03-12-07, 10:29 AM
I just did some checking and see that the other "nearby" LF-owned affiliate (WBTV/Channel 3 in Charlotte) did announce that they would carry the ACC Tourney in HD. Hard to tell from looking at their site if they actually did, but it was announced back in February that they would. Does this mean that WBTV ponied up the cash? Or does this indicate that our local braintrust thought we would rather watch the game in SD?

WBTV-3 is the flagship station for LF... so one would imagine that the HD feed would make it there... but again... it makes no sense that LF owns WCSC AND has a majority stake in Raycom as well, that the feed shouldn't be shared with ALL of the "corporate" stations.

Hatfield
03-12-07, 01:24 PM
Wasn't he talking about "The Italian Job" on NBC Saturday night??? ...
Whoops. :o I was skimming posts and assumed he was talking about the ACC tournament. My bad.

I sent this email day before yesterday:
How the hell can WCSC not broadcast the ACC tournament in HD?! I thought it was a glitch at first since EVERY OTHER city has the games in HD and you guys just forgot to flip the switch. But now I notice from zap2it's TV schedule that NONE of them are in HD here on WCSC here in Charleston. Are you kidding me?! This is a ridiculous! And the games are produced by Lincoln Financial! Lincoln Financial Media owns WCSC! How the hell can you guys not broadcast the tournament in high definition when your parent company is supplying the HD feed across the country.
Absolutely preposterous. You guys at WCSC should be ashamed of yourselves.
Sincerely,
Hatfield

samka0jjj
03-12-07, 06:26 PM
WCBD did show Golf live on its 2.1 Hi Def. This decision was made late Friday evening so they did not have time to get the word out.

lancer1991
03-12-07, 08:43 PM
WCBD did show Golf live on its 2.1 Hi Def. This decision was made late Friday evening so they did not have time to get the word out.

Saw that about 5:50, by that time a little to late. Glad to see they did that though.

Ktrout,

Any update on the WCBD audio issue? Did the video open their eyes or do they still deny an issue.

To any Comcast user,

Still getting the flickering of my TV and wondering if anyone else is experiencing this? Started after the firmware upgrade.

KTrout
03-13-07, 10:27 PM
lancer1991: Not a word from Corporate. I did however see a RFCentral truck heading towards WCBD the other day. Could have just been a coincidence. Has anyone noticed less dropouts since last Thursday?

Haven't noticed any flickering, no change in picture.

lancer1991
03-14-07, 01:30 PM
lancer1991: Not a word from Corporate. I did however see a RFCentral truck heading towards WCBD the other day. Could have just been a coincidence. Has anyone noticed less dropouts since last Thursday?

Haven't noticed any flickering, no change in picture.

Thanks for the update. I want to say I noticed drop outs during Vegas, but honestly can't remember. Maybe there were less.

As to the flickering, maybe it is my HDMI to DVI cable. May have to switch it back over to component to see.

ElwayLite
03-14-07, 01:39 PM
Saw that about 5:50, by that time a little to late. Glad to see they did that though.

Ktrout,

Any update on the WCBD audio issue? Did the video open their eyes or do they still deny an issue.

To any Comcast user,

Still getting the flickering of my TV and wondering if anyone else is experiencing this? Started after the firmware upgrade.

I've always gotten flickering. I feel it's an HDMI handshake issue. Mine always stops if I go to a 480i channel then back to the HD channel.

lancer1991
03-14-07, 06:28 PM
What's the deal with CBS and their stretcho-vision? Going the way of their partner WTAT. Looks just as crappy as it does on FOX.

shuttermaker
03-14-07, 07:18 PM
What's the deal with CBS and their stretcho-vision? Going the way of their partner WTAT. Looks just as crappy as it does on FOX.

I was thinkin it was just me. Glad to see its not. Yes, it sucks.

chsgas
03-16-07, 10:11 AM
I've been having trouble with my TV losing the OTA signal for WCSC periodically. To get it back I have to do a channel scan and everything is okay again.

Does anyone know if WCSC has been going off the air periodically with their digital signal or if they are having trouble with their PSID?

Thanks!!

ElwayLite
03-16-07, 10:34 AM
Kinda OT.

Does anyone with Comcast locally have a Tivo S3. Just wondering how the cablecard installs are here in Charleston. Now that Tivo is getting smart and going to price it for the working guy I might pick one up because the 8300hd guide really sucks.

lancer1991
03-16-07, 12:13 PM
lancer1991: Not a word from Corporate. I did however see a RFCentral truck heading towards WCBD the other day. Could have just been a coincidence. Has anyone noticed less dropouts since last Thursday?

Haven't noticed any flickering, no change in picture.

Watching WCBD last night, I did notice audio drops and signal drops while watching through Comcast.

chsgas
03-16-07, 02:10 PM
ElwayLite: It sounds as if you've changed your mind since you called the TiVo S3 a $800 boat anchor back in January.

I have a S3. I'm mostly satisfied. Comcast hasn't perfected cablecards yet. I get all the channels on one cablecard but on the second cablecard I can't tune several channels. The funny thing is when Comcast screwed-up all the cablecards a month or two back, the loaner set-top box that was put on that "outlet" couldn't tune the same channels. So it seems pretty clear to me that it is a "headend" issue but what do I know.

If you go the S3 route make sure Comcast brings more than the 2 cablecards you need when you get the install since the cablecards have a tendency to be DOA.

Good luck if you decide to go this route. I tried Comcast's DVR but couldn't stand it compared to the S2 I had at the time.

shuttermaker
03-16-07, 02:15 PM
Just out of curiosity, has tivo come up with a way to update its content without needing a home telephone line? Maybe thru a router and web connection?


I havent had a tivo in several years.

ElwayLite
03-16-07, 02:18 PM
ElwayLite: It sounds as if you've changed your mind since you called the TiVo S3 a $800 boat anchor back in January.

I have a S3. I'm mostly satisfied. Comcast hasn't perfected cablecards yet. I get all the channels on one cablecard but on the second cablecard I can't tune several channels. The funny thing is when Comcast screwed-up all the cablecards a month or two back, the loaner set-top box that was put on that "outlet" couldn't tune the same channels. So it seems pretty clear to me that it is a "headend" issue but what do I know.

If you go the S3 route make sure Comcast brings more than the 2 cablecards you need when you get the install since the cablecards have a tendency to be DOA.

Good luck if you decide to go this route. I tried Comcast's DVR but couldn't stand it compared to the S2 I had at the time.


I've always liked the software but not for $800. If they can get it to around $300 Ill probably bite.

ElwayLite
03-16-07, 02:18 PM
Just out of curiosity, has tivo come up with a way to update its content without needing a home telephone line? Maybe thru a router and web connection?


I havent had a tivo in several years.


You can use your internet connection now which makes it much easier.

shuttermaker
03-16-07, 02:21 PM
Sweet, now im interested.

FFP
03-16-07, 11:20 PM
Tivo with Amazon unbox is also working great. I hope it can move to HD soon

atp1313
03-17-07, 01:16 AM
Due to the wind/weather today pixelating my OTA reception of the NCAA's, I decided to try the direct cable feed into my TV. Immediately I noticed that the scratchiness is till there. It has been several months since this issue has come to light....how long does it take to fix something like this? :confused:

:D Glad I have the Mega March Madness package with D*, so I can skip around and get a better feed (for out-of-market games). I think I would shoot myself if I had to listen to that @#$%^ scratching all game long. :mad:

ElwayLite
03-17-07, 08:47 AM
This should be a great year for HD people.

*) Addition of more HD channels, competition between D* and Cable.

*) Tivo S3 new model for around $300 2nd QTR

*) Blu Ray models $400 4th QTR ($600 3rd QTR)

I'm making my list and checking it twice!

shuttermaker
03-18-07, 11:37 AM
This should be a great year for HD people.

*) Addition of more HD channels, competition between D* and Cable.

*) Tivo S3 new model for around $300 2nd QTR

*) Blu Ray models $400 4th QTR ($600 3rd QTR)

I'm making my list and checking it twice!

I was an early adopter of HD DVD. At this stage, it appears that the smart consumer (not me, this time) should wait for a dual format player.

Maybe one day my Tosh A1 will be of some historical value :D

ElwayLite
03-18-07, 12:00 PM
I was an early adopter of HD DVD. At this stage, it appears that the smart consumer (not me, this time) should wait for a dual format player.

Maybe one day my Tosh A1 will be of some historical value :D

I felt the same way about the dual format player not long ago, but I am starting to turn towards blu ray and have pretty much decided that's what I am going to buy. I looked on netflix and over half of my new releases are out in blu ray, only a few were HD DVD. And all that were out in HDDVD were out in blu ray, so either a S3 or a 2nd gen blu ray will be my next tech purchase, just depends on who drops the price first.

Eddie39
03-18-07, 04:32 PM
I'm watching NASCAR on WTAT OTA and having alot of sound dropout. Just like to know is anyone else is having that same problem.

cbell2112
03-18-07, 05:24 PM
Playstation 3 sealed the deal for Blu Ray in my opinion. I've been using mine just for that. Don't have any games yet.

On the Tivo deal, how much is the monthly cost for the service.? Does it save you any money compared to the 8300? They just raised the price a couple of bucks/month which pisses me off b/c the thing doesn't work the way it is supposed to. Wasn't there a talk of a deal with Comcast and Tivo to improve the software on the 8300?

ElwayLite
03-18-07, 08:41 PM
Playstation 3 sealed the deal for Blu Ray in my opinion. I've been using mine just for that. Don't have any games yet.

On the Tivo deal, how much is the monthly cost for the service.? Does it save you any money compared to the 8300? They just raised the price a couple of bucks/month which pisses me off b/c the thing doesn't work the way it is supposed to. Wasn't there a talk of a deal with Comcast and Tivo to improve the software on the 8300?

How's the PS3 Blu ray quality? I have heard they are good players and are supposed to be getting a firmware update to make the PS3 upconvert.

The DVR fee is now $12.95, if you pay tivo for 1 yr upfront it works out to be around $14.50, which is worth it IMHO. The tivo software is coming for the MOTO boxes by year end, but is a long ways out for the SA 8300.

cbell2112
03-19-07, 08:23 AM
By MOTO I assuming you mean Motorola. Are Motorola boxes available from Comcast? I thought all they had were SA 8300's.

ElwayLite
03-19-07, 08:27 AM
By MOTO I assuming you mean Motorola. Are Motorola boxes available from Comcast? I thought all they had were SA 8300's.


SA boxes are all we have here, other markets have the Moto boxes. I had them in my previous town and it was a much better box IMHO and a better guide. So, we are pretty much stuck without Tivo software for awhile. From what I read we'll get the passport software before we get the Tivo software.

All in all, I just want a better guide. Only being to record 7 days out is bullcrap.

Gary J
03-19-07, 08:35 AM
I tell you it's a tough life. You've got 10,000 killed a month in Sudan and you can only record 7 days out. :eek:

ElwayLite
03-19-07, 08:41 AM
I tell you it's a tough life. You've got 10,000 killed a month in Sudan and you can only record 7 days out. :eek:


Gee Gary, all you are missing is the "Bush is a war criminal" sign :rolleyes:

KurosawasGhost
03-19-07, 12:23 PM
the ps3 is an excellent blu ray player....right now its as good as any 1000 dollar player out there as far as PQ goes...you may not get all the bells and whistles, but it functions very well especially if you have the blue tooth remote.

As far as I'm concerned you can almost stick a fork in HD-DVD.... Even Best Buy is doubling their blu ray space and reducing shelf space for hd-dvd.....They cost about the same to consumers and blu ray seems to havethe edge, but who knows....people might be saying "stick a fork in blu ray" in a few months... :-) but im betting on blu ray.

(on a side note the HD-DVD add on for the xbox360 looks adn works great....king kong adn serenity look fantastic so im not dogging hd-dvd at all....just betting on the "winner")

ElwayLite
03-19-07, 12:25 PM
I think I'm sold. The 2nd gen Samsung BDP1200 is on sale on the net for $660 now (wondered why the BDP1000 priced dropped so much) with a ext 1yr warranty. My trigger finger is itching!

shuttermaker
03-19-07, 12:41 PM
Do what you like but, im already in this HD DVD boat and if I could get out of it; it wouldnt be to jump on the BD side soley.

Dual format will be the way to go. There will be no winner in this. Im actually hoping for a dual format conclusion if not an HD DVD win only for the fact that I dont want Sony to hold all the cards. Ive soured on Sony in recent years.

shuttermaker
03-19-07, 12:47 PM
Even Best Buy is doubling their blu ray space and reducing shelf space for hd-dvd.....


BB has always been more of a backer of BD over HD DVD since day 1 (can you say kickback) nothing new there.

KurosawasGhost
03-19-07, 01:15 PM
well like i said, im not ragging on either one....it just seems like blu ray as a lot more going for it in studio support (mainly because sony owns or has their hands in a lot of studios like mgm and universal)...

i agree that dual format would be ideal...then we don't haveto worry. I think LG is coming out with one in 07 but its going to be like 1000 bucks.

I don't care which format wins as long as i can watch star wars in HD! :-)

ElwayLite
03-19-07, 01:17 PM
well like i said, im not ragging on either one....it just seems like blu ray as a lot more going for it in studio support (mainly because sony owns or has their hands in a lot of studios like mgm and universal)...

i agree that dual format would be ideal...then we don't haveto worry. I think LG is coming out with one in 07 but its going to be like 1000 bucks.

I don't care which format wins as long as i can watch star wars in HD! :-)

Its already out and is much more buggy than the 1st gen blu ray players, main reason Im considering blu ray outright.

shuttermaker
03-19-07, 02:22 PM
Randy Tomlinson of Lion audio/video Consultants is scheduled to tour through the Carolinas starting March 25th.

Id like to try and schedule a calibration of my HDTV when he is available. If there is anyone in the area that might be interested in having their set calibrated, this would be the time to do it. Please let me know if this sounds like something you are interested in. Ive emailed Randy and await his reply.

http://www.lionav.com/mrandytomlinson.php

http://www.advancedtechservice.com/

shuttermaker
03-19-07, 11:25 PM
HD-DVD vs. BD

Guess its all in how you read it.


http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/03/19/toshiba-not-so-impressed-by-blu-rays-victory-cries/

ElwayLite
03-20-07, 04:42 AM
To little to late. It's going to take more than Toshiba "sticking up for themsleves" to swing the momentum. Hopefully all studios get on board with both and they have a war for a couple of years, its great for us.

ElwayLite
03-20-07, 08:52 AM
Back on local HDTV. Anyone with comcast noticed sound fluctuations, and mainly lower sound on all channels over the last couple of weeks.

I used to watch most hd local television around 40 on my receiver, now I'm up to 50. HNN used to be around 32, now I'm at 40. Just wondering if I am having hardware problems or cable problems.

cbell2112
03-20-07, 09:10 AM
As a general rule I get huge fluctuations on all channels. FX is one of the worst even though it is not in HD. This has always been the case.

ElwayLite
03-20-07, 09:11 AM
As a general rule I get huge fluctuations on all channels. FX is one of the worst even though it is not in HD. This has always been the case.


I had noticed some fluctuation, but this has been steady for a couple of weeks. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't losing my receiver amp or something. Just bought a blu ray, don't want to have to buy a receiver too :)

KurosawasGhost
03-20-07, 03:13 PM
Elway, i think you are just going deaf....:-) nah man just kidding....I have noticed the same thing so its probably not your reciever.

tc1
03-20-07, 03:29 PM
As a general rule I get huge fluctuations on all channels. FX is one of the worst even though it is not in HD. This has always been the case.

Same here OTA only and always been that way.. Tripped the overload on receiver a number of times. Channel surfing (only have 9) requires care.

ElwayLite
03-20-07, 03:44 PM
Elway, i think you are just going deaf....:-) nah man just kidding....I have noticed the same thing so its probably not your reciever.


Never know, or maybe its in my head that I want a new receiver?!?!

What I love is CBS. I have to crank it for CSI Miami, then when the commercials hit it blows my freakin head off.

kjpjr
03-20-07, 03:53 PM
We have not listened to a commercial/station break on CBS since we got them in HD. As soon as a commercial comes on -- mute button! I wonder if their advertisers know that and how annoying the sound level is.

KurosawasGhost
03-22-07, 09:05 PM
hey guys, is NBC ch. 432 comcast giving you guys any trouble tonight? jeaopardy is usually bad but earl and scrubs have been basically unwatchable....TONS of video problems and a lot of audio dropout.

i tried rebooting my box but i dont think thats the problem...no other channel is doing anything bad.....

Scmedic
03-23-07, 07:58 AM
That is my typical NBC feed through comcast. They have no solution apparently. Drives me NUTS!

ElwayLite
03-23-07, 08:11 AM
I feel it's an NBC problem. I really don't watch any NBC programming except for Nascar races and Coll Fball. Last year when I got it OTA it was same story, macroblocking hell.

Since I missed heroes, I will at least catch season 1 on netflix so I should not have to deal with it :).

KurosawasGhost
03-23-07, 06:45 PM
nbc has never been this bad.....it terrible even today on the news! damn, i wish they could fix it!

lancer1991
03-23-07, 08:49 PM
Sent an e-mail to Chris at Comcast, but anyone watch any of the golf on GVHD? For me the audio is horrible. It is very low and whatever way they process it, I hear double hits whenever someone hits the ball.

As to NBC and Comcast, I believe Diana nailed it with the fact that it is an OTA feed issue, as she said TW got it direct while she felt Comcast was picking it up via antenna. For some reason OTA will have video drops and somehow they translate to audio drops when Comcast broadcasts it. Of course there are video drops too on Comcast, but seems audio issues are greater.

bbarrie
03-23-07, 10:36 PM
nbc has never been this bad.....it terrible even today on the news! damn, i wish they could fix it!

I second that -- far worse than it's ever been before. It's usually annoying but bearable, but now it's genuinely unwatchable; and not the sort of 'unwatchable' that's casually thrown about here because of macroblocking or motion issues -- actually not watchable.

Is anyone having OTA or TWC issues or is it just Comcast?

KurosawasGhost
03-24-07, 01:34 PM
i think its my fault! :-) I was telling my wife on Thursday how NBC hadn't been "as bad" lately, and right at the end of Earl it got TERRIBLE...and its been that way ever since....i can't watch more than 2 seconds literally without the audio and video chopping out....

And yes....its not "annoying-unwatchable" its "literally unwatchable"

lancer1991
03-24-07, 05:10 PM
Definitely something with Comcast. I'm watching golf and it was horrible through my box, so I switched to OTA and pretty much no issues at all.

paulisme
03-26-07, 05:57 PM
I'm having the same issues with NBC as stated by others. Having moved to West Ashley from Summerville, I just made the switch from Time Warner to Comcast, and boy is Comcast horrible compared to TWC. I was thankful when TWC finally picked up FOX HD this year because I could finally get rid of the rabbit ears, but now they're back out so I can watch NBC HD.

By the way, Comcast's on-demand channel sucks. Just had to put that out there.

ElwayLite
03-26-07, 06:03 PM
I'm having the same issues with NBC as stated by others. Having moved to West Ashley from Summerville, I just made the switch from Time Warner to Comcast, and boy is Comcast horrible compared to TWC. I was thankful when TWC finally picked up FOX HD this year because I could finally get rid of the rabbit ears, but now they're back out so I can watch NBC HD.

By the way, Comcast's on-demand channel sucks. Just had to put that out there.


I actually like on-demand, especially for premiums like my HBO. Also the HD on-demand is nice.