Yes, they should be. A simple explanation might be that they don't have any programming going out on 36.1. Since I can't pull them in, I don't have any idea if 36.1 has ever broadcast anything. Others have had an interest in FOX with football so I've heard about stuff on 24.1.

Has anyone ever pulled in anything from 36.1?

foz32: There have been previous reports of OTA WCSC-DT reception from the Myrtle Beach area. WCIV-DT, being much lower power would be very questionable. WITV-DT (PBS-HD) might be possible. Go to antennaweb.org and see what happens when you put in your address.

Hello All -

I'm happy to report that we're back a full power for tonight.
There will be some more tweaking to do tomorrow, but the bulk of the work to be done has been accomplished. More details later...

Please let us know - especially those of you in the outlying areas if you notice any improvements in signal strength or error rates.

Regards-
Mike

Glad to hear it Mike. Anyone up near Myrtle Beach that could check in? Daryal how far are you from MB?

I watched the Masters golf OTA last year in Myrtle Beach. I can not speak to current conditions.

Mike Had drop outs around 4-5 PM but was ok when I went on 5-1 at 8PM
Jim in Beaufort

Hello All -

The dropouts in the afternoon were due to adjustments being made.
Everything after 5:30PM should have been good to go.

We're doing a bit more fine tuning this afternoon, so you will undoubtedly see some interruptions. Primetime should NOT be affected.


Regards-
Mike

Mike I had some dropouts around 9.15 PM (CSI) then ok till about 10.20. then had a signal drop to under 50 % for about 5 min then ok till I went to bed around 11.20.
Jim

KTrout,

I have been picking up 36-1 about 75% of the time for over a month now. This was coincident when I started getting 49-1, 49-2, and 49-3 which by the way are my most reliable digital channels from my locatoin in Summerville. Yes, as good as WCSC.

anyone have issues with WCSC during Joan of Arcadia? I have signal fluctuations and dropouts every few minutes and for a minute or so the screen seemed to be in slow motion with the signal hovering around 30%

mlkeel: Thanks for the feedback. Does 36-1 ever broadcast in anything other than 480i?

Hi KTrout -
I can't really speak with authority for anyone else's programming format besides what we do on WCSC. My guess is that they're doing a regular upconversion from NTSC, and letting it go at that.

Regards-
Mike

Isn't about the only thing on UPN that would be HD the Enterprise show? I think that would be the only thing you could check to see if they ever sent any HD. Of course, I can't receive it because of the miniscule transmission power and that they are in the opposite direction from me to Awendaw.

pat: you're right, "enterprise" and a show called "like family" according to my home theater magazine. mike is probably correct in that they simply upconvert it, but like you i am too far away to know for sure.

i'm back in town so i'll start working on tour dates etc. soon.

what's everyone's feelings toward our radical improvement in our HD programming? are we doing pretty good? do you feel that the channels have been opened for communicating with us?

i hope so... i even heard that someone called master control up here and asked for me by name... i've heard a bunch of praise has been phoned in... usually when i'm not here to hear it of course heh heh...

i haven't been in the forums in a couple weeks... so, i just thought i'd pop my head in today...

scott

I assume since you posted the question you want an honest answer ? Coming from the San Francisco Bay Area one year ago, I am somewhat surprised at how slow this area is to embrace HD,
but since you have made great strides in the last few months, hats off to you. I refused to watch West Wing, my favorite BTW, till you broadcast it in HD, and now that you do, I watch. I am really disappointed though at how NBC has taken such a back seat to HD programming though, and quite frankly, we watch most OTA on CBS, which runs circles around everyone else. Their signal, the wealth of CBS HD, etc........
An honest answer from an honest viewer,
rick

Scott,

Having no other point of reference, I appreciate any and all efforts to increase OTA HD programming in Charleston. :cool:

John

I really wish NBC could transmit with more power. CBS is the model to follow.I can stick my thumb on the Ant input on my reciever and get 90% signal strength.If you don't increase your power so more people can get it, it won't be as effective. Maybe you can get TWC, the leader in HD( HA HA) to carry your signal, because they are certainly aggressive at adding HD here in the lowcountry.

I just got a Jensen TV 940A remote-controlled, programmable rabbit ears. So far I'm pretty impressed but we'll see what happens once it gets windy (when I usually have reception issues) For anyone interested, I got it delivered for $30 from http://www.softwareandstuff.com/misc_jensentv940d.html The owner's manual for the remote wasn't in the box for some reason ( I think it's refurbished) but I found the info I needed on the Jensen Website. Amazon wanted $75

Scott: You guys have been doing great and we appreciate the new dedication to HD! I wrote Richard and let him know that a little more than a week ago. I also recently purchased an outdoor antenna and put it up just so I could pull you guys in.

Do you have an update in regards to broadcasting in 5.1 that you could share?

You and Caesar keep up the good work over there!

butlers: Unfortunately, NBC's tower in Awendaw is not structurally sound and cannot carry the additional weight of the digital antenna. Until the modifications to the tower are completed, NBC won't be able to go to the same power as CBS.

Current timetable is approx. 18 months.

KTROUT:

What did the HOA say about your antenna? You're in Park West still aren't you?

LuvThatHDTV: I replaced my Dish with the antenna, used the same mount and everything. And I didn't ask about the dish, think our rules indicate that as long as it's not visible from street it's OK.

Doesn't the FCC prohibit HOA from restricting Dish placement and antenna's.

Yes, it's the only thing the FCC is good for. And that's why I didn't bother asking, but as they say it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission.

KTrout and Butlers:
This is the FCC website discussing OTA:
http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html.
I was just wondering if the HOA for Park West has a clue. Dunes West tried to tell me my dish was too close to the street so I directed them to the website and haven't heard a word since. And since the FCC allows for antennas up to 12 feet above the roof line I may just have to invest if my new rabbit ears don't work out

Ktrout,

I've been out of touch for a few weeks. In an answer to your question about 36-1, I don't know if it is in 480i or higher res. It would appear that it is a lower res than than other HD channels (e.g. wcsc). It is hit or jiss with 36-1. But like I said, 49-1 thur 3 are solid most of the time and the picutre on 49-3 (PBSI HD Is fantastic.

Thanks mlkeel. I think the consensus is that's it's only 480i.

Came across a couple of "antenna help" sites while surfing here the other day i thought i'd share....

www.2150.com/broadcast/

If you know your lat/long. will tell you distance to nearest stations. All of the information isn't correct for Charleston.... still lists WCSC's first DTV channel assignment, origination of WTAT-DT and WCBD-DT isn't correct.....but it might be something that could come in handy. There is a link on that page to find your lat/long by zooming in on a map or you can use.....

http://www.geocode.com/modules.php?name=TestDrive_Eagle

and use your street address for a limited number of times to find your coordinates.

Hello all. I sent this as a PM to a few of you so don't be mad, but I've been reading a lot about HDTV and just have a couple of questions. I live in Summerville and was wondering what's the best way to get HDTV. I know that Time Warner Cable gives out the signal but I don't think they have all the local stations. I am going to buy the LG-3510 which can receive OTA and QAM and a DVD player all in one. I've read lots of good reviews about it but was wondering if I should get an antenna and receive QAM from TWC. What is a good antenna for the Summerville area? I just want to know from someone local so I don't have to waste a bunch of money. Any help would be appreciated, and I'd love to hear from you back. Thanks,

Kirk Olson

Kirk.....I have had E* in the past D* in the past and also TWC. I am not a big supporter of TWC. There HD offering in Summerville is limited and those analog channels just get worse and worse looking. I know it varies by area, but I have also found TWC to be the most unreliable service . I experienced more down time with them then from Sat. Currently I have Voom. They came out with a $0 upfront, no contract lease program. They install the satellite and an OTA antenna. You lease the HD box for $9.50 a month. It was to good to pass up and with no contract nothing to loose. I have been pleased so far as Voom has the most HD programming, they recently added Bravo HD, EncoreHD is upp on the 22nd of this month and I have pretty good info that says that ESPN HD will be up this week, could be tomorrow. Ther are some exclusive HD channels that aren't that great, but some are good and very good. I would reccomend to anyone to try this service out while the $0 upfront offer is out there. They supplied me with a Channel Master Stealth antenna and I get 2.1(NBC) 5.1(CBS) 24.1(FOX) and 4.1(ABC) and 49.1,2,3(PBS) will be there once the mapping issue is correct. What part of Summerville you live in can play a part in your reception.

Why is the ACC champ game not in HD? They're showing the Big 10 and Big 12 in HD, everyone knows ACC is the best! What's up with that!?

Originally posted by butlers
Kirk.....I have had E* in the past D* in the past and also TWC. I am not a big supporter of TWC. There HD offering in Summerville is limited and those analog channels just get worse and worse looking. I know it varies by area, but I have also found TWC to be the most unreliable service . I experienced more down time with them then from Sat. Currently I have Voom. They came out with a $0 upfront, no contract lease program. They install the satellite and an OTA antenna. You lease the HD box for $9.50 a month. It was to good to pass up and with no contract nothing to loose. I have been pleased so far as Voom has the most HD programming, they recently added Bravo HD, EncoreHD is upp on the 22nd of this month and I have pretty good info that says that ESPN HD will be up this week, could be tomorrow. Ther are some exclusive HD channels that aren't that great, but some are good and very good. I would reccomend to anyone to try this service out while the $0 upfront offer is out there. They supplied me with a Channel Master Stealth antenna and I get 2.1(NBC) 5.1(CBS) 24.1(FOX) and 4.1(ABC) and 49.1,2,3(PBS) will be there once the mapping issue is correct. What part of Summerville you live in can play a part in your reception.

I just had Voom installed yesterday and am getting the same OTA channels. I have already submitted the ABC & PBS mapping problems to the moderator over at the Voom forum within the satellite guys forum. Supposedly he is connected with the the guy at Voom who is in charge of proper OTA mapping. Hopefully it will get resolved quickly.

I'm curious, have you had any pixelation problems with your Sat signal? I know I have had some today and some very small ones last night. Another problem i'm having currently is the "Guide" is dispalying no information at the moment. It was fine yesterday.

Hammer

Originally posted by butlers
They supplied me with a Channel Master Stealth antenna and I get 2.1(NBC) 5.1(CBS) 24.1(FOX) and 4.1(ABC) and 49.1,2,3(PBS) will be there once the mapping issue is correct. What part of Summerville you live in can play a part in your reception.

Butlers, I was wondering how the Channel Master Stealth was working for you? Does it need to be mounted outside or will it work well in an attic? I'm tempted to get VOOM, but it's a bit costly(even though they have their great promotion going right now). What do you mean by "will be there once the mapping issue is correct"? I also live off of Bacon's Bridge Rd in the new Arbor Oaks Subdivision.

Thanks

Kirk

Kirk....I live in the other new Ryland neighborhood, Summerhaven. Talk about something I have been dissapointed with. Anyway...The stealth works for me. I have it mounted on the roof. Voom does all the channel mapping themselves. So they hadn't mapped 4.1(ABC) and 49.1(PBS). The head of engineering said it should be done by middle of this week. I have been pleased with the service. There is a good Voom forum at Satelliteguys.us. You should check that out also. Good Luck

Originally posted by butlers
Kirk....I live in the other new Ryland neighborhood, Summerhaven. Talk about something I have been dissapointed with. Anyway...The stealth works for me. I have it mounted on the roof. Voom does all the channel mapping themselves. So they hadn't mapped 4.1(ABC) and 49.1(PBS). The head of engineering said it should be done by middle of this week. I have been pleased with the service. There is a good Voom forum at Satelliteguys.us. You should check that out also. Good Luck

I've had quite a few issues myself when I moved into this house. I've done quite a bit of things to it now and it's coming around. This is my first house so it's exciting. How did your VOOM install go? How did they hook up the dish and antenna to the house and where did they put the coax? Did they run 2 seperate coax lines, one for the dish and one for the antenna? I'm worried they'll drill holes in my house where I don't want them to and just be sloppy. What TV are you running this setup on? I'm sure I'll have more questions to come(if you don't mind that is.) I'm full of questions about this stuff and have a lot of them figured out now. Thanks to all so far.

Kirk...I have a Hitachi 65SWX20B. I did have 2 lines ran. My dish is mounted on the side of my house and my installer did a good job. You just can't be afraid to tell them what you want. They will try and come off a sthe all knowing, but you just need to stick to your guns.

The following games will be shown on CBS this Thursday:

12:40PM Maryland vs UTep

2:40PM Wake Forest vs Va. Commonwealth

7:10PM Duke vs Alabama State

9:40PM North Carolina vs Air Force

The games this Friday and Sunday in Kansas City are going to be broadcast in HD. WCSC in still checking on carriage rights here locally in the event the analog side has other coverage.

WCSC will have the Masters on Saturday and Sunday in HD for sure.

They are checking on broadcasting the Thursday and Friday coverage on the digital side even though it is normally broadcast on USA analog.

Thanks for the info regarding the games on WCSC. I was hoping that WCSC-DT would have all the games in HD on Friday and Sunday, I don't think they have the problem with the NCAA that they have with the NFL. From what I have read other stations across the country have shown the HD games on their digital stations that are different from the analog side.

Regarding the Masters, on D* last year they showed the HD coverage of the Masters on Thursday and Friday on their special event HD station (Ch. 84, I think) while it was being covered on analog USA. I would rather watch on WCSC though.

Andy

The first and second round from Kansas City will be in HD, I copied this from the AVS Programming forum:

HD schedule (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=379388)

NCAA Men's Basketball Tournment in HDTV on CBS
First & Second Round Games from Kansas City, MO
All Times ET

Friday, March 19, 2004

East Rutherford Region
12:30pm
(7) Memphis vs. (10) South Carolina

30 Minutes Following
(2) Oklahoma State vs. (15) Eastern Washington


St. Louis Region
7:25pm
(5) Providence vs. (12) Pacific

30 Minutes Following
(4) Kansas vs. (13) Illinois at Chicago


Sunday, March 21, 2004

East Rutherford Region
2:20pm
Memphis/South Carolina vs. Oklahoma State /Eastern Washington

St. Louis Region
30 Minutes Following
Providence/Pacific vs. Kansas/Illinois at Chicago

I would guess we will get the SC game at least since I am sure it will be on the analog side.

Andy

Andy,

you're right about the NCAA being easier, just wanted to make sure so thats why they're checking on approval.

I forgot about the Masters doing that, I'll be at work for most of it, but just thought I'd check it out for others.

Thanks for posting the full HD schedule.

kirk get one cable for dish and one for ota. diplexers can hurt your HD signal.
Jim

Friday games on Channel 5

12:30PM Memphis vs South Carolina

2:50PM Georgia Tech vs Northern Iowa

7:10PM Kentucky vs Lehigh

9:30PM Xavier vs Louisville


ALL HD GAMES BROADCAST BY CBS WILL BE SHOWN ON WCSC-DT REGARDLESS OF REGIONAL COVERAGE. THIS INCLUDES GAMES ON THE 19th, 21st AND THE SWEET SIXTEEN/ELITE GAMES IN ST. LOUIS REGION ON THE 26th AND 28th.

OUTSTANDING WCSC. THANK YOU!!!!!!

Interested in planning a tour of WCSC's Station in West Ashley on Tuesday the 30th, in two weeks.

Thinking about 6:30 pm.

You will get a chance to meet Eldon and any of the other engineers that hang around WCSC that evening, and get a full tour of their building, including the sets etc. It's pretty interesting to see how things go together and will give all of us a chance to thank WCSC for their continued excellence in HD broadcasting.

I would encourage everyone that has the slightest interest to come, bring family, friends, etc.

It won't take very long.

If you can make it, please let me know so I can pass on a count to Eldon.

Thanks

I don't know if the tour is set in stone yet, but Tuesday nights are bad for me, is any other night possible and acceptable to others. Thanks.

Andy

BTW, great news from WCSC showing all HD games on the digital side. Thanks Eldon, Mike and Co.

In case anybody is interested...Voom has mapped three more OTA channels here in the area. The channels are basically the PBS/SC channels: 7.1, 7.2, & 7.3. Once Voom gets ABC's 4.1, then everything should be covered.

Hammer

Also, D* just started showing PBS as 7.1, 7.2 and 7.3 with digital channels of 49 and even shows signal strength, but no picture. However there is still picture on 49.1, 49.2 and 49.3 with my Sony receiver. Must some type of remapping issue. But at least there's an accurate guide to see what's on.

MY Sami 151 still has 49-1-2-3

Tour date has changed to Monday, March 29th!

Same time: 6:30 pm

Hope to see some of you guys there.
Mark

Hello All,



I’ve just been given our March Madness HDTV schedule, and thought I’d pass it along to you –



Basically, we’re planning on giving you as much HD originated Basketball as is made available to us.

FYI - the HD schedule MAY or MAY NOT coincide with our analog program schedule.

Also – we’re able to bring these games to you in 5.1 Surround!



What this means is that EVERYTHING being sent from the following cities, on the associated dates will be broadcast by WCSC in 5.1 HD :



Kansas City on Friday, March 19th
12 Noon – 5:00 PM
7:00 PM – 12 Midnight

Kansas City on Sunday, March 21st
12 Noon – 7:00PM



St Louis on Friday, March 26th
7:00PM – 12 Midnight

St Louis on Sunday, March 28th
2:30PM – 7:00PM



San Antonio on Saturday, April 3rd
6:00PM – 11:00PM

San Antonio on Monday, April 5th
9:00PM – 11:00PM



Times are approximate.



Regards-

Mike

Does WCSC-DT in Charleston broadcast 24/7?

Yes, unless they've changed policy in the last month.

Wow, that is great to hear about the games in HD. Thanks WCSC!

Also, KTrout, i'd be interested in attending the tour. Count me in!

Mark

Well I have my indoor antennas setup so that I can now pick-up ABC, CBS, NBC, and PBS HD with strong signal strength, no matter what the weather.
I previously had bought a Jensen TV 940A remote controlled / programmable rabbit ears. I learned that it works great for NBC, CBS, PBS and most analog signals; especially now that I can go back to a previously saved setting. I don't have to worry about having to fool with it for hours to get a strong signal. Only had to do that once.
But I still had issues with ABC on windy days. Once I realized the Jensen TV 940A had a built-in switch I bought a Silver Sensor antenna and connected it to the aux input of the Jensen. I setup the Silver Sensor to pickup ABC and planned on using the Jensen for everything else. But once I got the SS setup ,I found out that now I only need the Jensen for NBC ( and occasionally analog UPN) The SS (in the position I have it set) picks up CBS, ABC, and PBS DT with very strong signal strength and also picks up analog Fox better than I've ever gotten it before, much better than US cable use to offer. I setup the Jensen to pickup NBC and just turn the Jensen on when I wanna watch NBC. Then turn it off for everything else.
For $70 I get every reasonable channel (no Fox or UPN DT) and didn't have to crawl in the attic or put up an outside antenna.

Glad to hear that. Since I'm pretty much in the same boat, I might someday contact you about checking out your set-up firsthand.

With FOX announcing that they'll be broadcasting sports in HD next year, trying to pick-up Channel 40 might become more of a priority for me.

Has anyone heard anything back from WTAT?

By the way, just a reminder, but the tour of WCSC is still scheduled for next Monday.

They're in West Ashley and it wouldn't take very long. Think about coming down and seeing behind the scenes......

KTrout:

Mark, Just PM me whenever you want to check it out.

Does anyone else notice little "snow-like" dots on NBC-DT occasionally? It's easiest to see on top of black objects. i.e. - at the end of Will and Grace on the women's black outfit

Sorry, didn't get home in time, and then turned on the B-ball.

Per Requests for Information as to how TWC will facilitate the IEEE 1394:

TWC, along with each of the other MSOs, and representatives of the consumer electronics industry, signed the Plug and Play Agreement in December 2002. The body of that agreement was adopted by the Federal Communications Commission in the Plug and Play Order, dated September 2003. Per this Agreement and Order, TWC has two different obligations with respect to IEEE 1394 (‘Fire Wire’), tied to different dates:

Effective April 1, 2004, solely upon request of a customer, TWC must replace any leased high definition converter, which does not include a functional IEEE 1394 interface, with one that includes a functional IEEE 1394 interface.

Effective, July 1, 2005, all high definition converters acquired by TWC for distribution to customers must include both (1) a DVI or HDMI interface AND (2) an IEEE 1394 interface.

In TWC South Carolina, the only HD converter available as of April 1, with a functional 1394 port will be a new version of the 3250 that will be referenced in the South Carolina offices as the 3250FW (this is not a part number you will find on the SA website – I also do not know what other Divisions will ‘name’ their converters). There will be no HD DVR with a functional 1394 port available in any SA Division until July 1, 2005.

Beginning Thursday, April 1, 2004, Customers in South Carolina may call in and request to switch out their current HD converter or upgrade to an HD converter with a functional 1394 port. The inventory of the 3250FW will be very limited, so they will not be stocked at any front counter location. An installation appointment must be scheduled and, again due to limited inventory, this appointment may take up to 14 business days to schedule depending upon where you reside in South Carolina.

right now on NBC are the dots again. They are all over the piture but easiest to see against the black background

LAST REMINDER

Tour of Channel 5's studio, Monday evening starting at 6:30

If you need directions, please ask.

Thanks

LuvThatHDTV: Sorry, was watching B-ball again.

Diana: Thanks for the information.

I assume that the WCSC studio is the one near Home Depot in West Ashley? I will be there tomorrow.

Thanks for setting up the tour and for the reminders.

Andy

Could you please ask why we are still experiencing signal drops? It really hasn't improved since they did the work on the transmitter a few weeks ago. I'm in Goose Creek and reception (which is usually superior to the other stations) has been awful lately.

Andy: Your assumption is a good one.

R.Jones: I'm sure it will come up at some point.

hey folks, just had to leave DTV for Comcast, due to moving to Snee Farm, temporarily, while our house is being built. Comcast, according to the installer is not offering NBC on their digital HD side,
because they were not aware that our local NBC station was broadcasting yet in HD. Can someone here from NBC close the loop on this, so we can get NBC HD ?? I cannot get NBC OTA from where we are.....Thanks,
rick

WCSC is rock solid here, did you ck ant. and cable

Yep, get cbs and PBSHD great, NBC is really on and off due to all these trees. Besides, if Comcast is carrying other local HD's they should be aware from someone at NBC here that they are now broadcasting HD.
rick

All stations (with the exception of FOX and UPN) come in great. Just over the last couple of weeks, WCSC has been a bear to receive. It will spike from 80% down to below 40%, which will make it unviewable.

Well if there are anyother lowcountry Voomer's out there, Encore HD and Playboy HD have been added to the line up this morning and are now showing. It is good to finally have a service who is truly committed to HD.NO more waiting months for new HD, with V* it's only weeks.

BUMP

Originally posted by GRC
Yep, get cbs and PBSHD great, NBC is really on and off due to all these trees. Besides, if Comcast is carrying other local HD's they should be aware from someone at NBC here that they are now broadcasting HD.
rick

COMCAST is aware that NBC is broadcasting HD.

NBC and COMCAST simply don't have a carriage agreement in place.

Just a note that I noticed the white dots tonight on 2-1. I noticed it during the beginning of the credits for West Wing as it went black. I will check it out when L & O ends.

On another note, Thanks again to Eldon and Mike for hosting a tour for Ktrout, oljim and me on Monday. It is really impressive to see just what goes into providing us a great HD signal. I highly recommend to other forum members to take advantage of a tour if offered again, you really get a chance to see how everything happens.

Andy

Originally posted by AndrewG
Just a note that I noticed the white dots tonight on 2-1. I noticed it during the beginning of the credits for West Wing as it went black. I will check it out when L & O ends.

Andy

I noticed the white dots too, also a popping sound. I was thinking this was my antenna and that I need a better one, but maybe it wasn't just me. That makes me feel better anyway.

Kirk

AndrewG and kirk_olson:
Thanks guys, I was wondering if it was just me or not.

Along the same lines; my built-in HD tuner in my Mit won't pick up NBC but my Sony D* receiver will. I wonder if it's similar to why the Sammy T160 doesn't work with NBC?
I wanted to see if both tuners had the same problem with the white dots and realized I can't pick up NBC anymore. I previously could, since it was auto-programmed previously. But obviously NBC has changed something.

Originally posted by LuvThatHDTV
AndrewG and kirk_olson:
Thanks guys, I was wondering if it was just me or not.

Along the same lines; my built-in HD tuner in my Mit won't pick up NBC but my Sony D* receiver will. I wonder if it's similar to why the Sammy T160 doesn't work with NBC?
I wanted to see if both tuners had the same problem with the white dots and realized I can't pick up NBC anymore. I previously could, since it was auto-programmed previously. But obviously NBC has changed something.


I just upgraded my TV to one with an internal tuner, and both it and the Samsung T160 tuners had the white dots, and I also noticed the popping / clicking noise as well, so it is neither receiver or audio system specific.

I noticed the dots through out Law and Order and the clicking as well.

Mark, maybe you can contact your connection at Channel 2 about this.

Andy

Originally posted by kirk_olson
I noticed the white dots too, also a popping sound. I was thinking this was my antenna and that I need a better one, but maybe it wasn't just me. That makes me feel better anyway.

Kirk

I don't think that it is your antenna since I saw in on two tuners with different antennas. One larger antenna, that is in my attic and I have been using successfully with NBC previously, and a silver sensor that I aimed directly at 2-1's antenna. While I do believe it might be related to weak signals it is not just your antenna.

Andy

Andy,

I'll be happy to contact them, but I would like to try and see this myself before I do. When is the next time that I might be able to see what you guys are talking about? I've been out of the loop lately with getting a nursery ready and taking lamaze classes and the sort.

They are on Oprah right now. The sound was also cracking but cleared up a bit. Also the dots seem to come and go but never seem to completely go away. Just look at any dark image and they're easy to see

I've got a class tonight as well, but will try to check it out this evening when I get home.

Even though it's a little late, I would also like to thank Eldon and Mike for taking the time to take us through the station and bring a better understanding to the whole process. I wish more people could have made it.

I started to watch ER tonight on NBC and got tons of static noise constantly. I think there has been a problem with NBC lately, although the Apprentice came in great!
Anyone else experience this?

i am getting the audio static as well...i believe it is from the network, not WCBD..since i dont hear it on the commercials

Got home in time to check out Channel 50.

Reception wasn't too good, but it was probably my fault as I haven't fine tuned my outside antenna yet. However, the frozen screens I experienced were helpful in that I was clearly able to see the "dandruff" in the video. I even noticed that it was evident outside of the 4:3 picture where the Apprentice was being shown.

I will try to contact NBC about this tomorrow.

I can't comment on the sound problems as I was watching a tape of Survivor.

By the way, anyone else seeing problems with Channel 34 tonight? I'm thinking it could again be something on my end, but while I'm here I thought I'd ask.

Quick reminder, even though I'm sure everyone knows by now:

Semi's and Finals on NCAA on WCSC in HD.

Also, all four rounds being telecast of the Masters next week will be on 5-1 as well.

Hi Guys,

Just got into the HDTV ballgame here in Goose Creek. From what I can tell the CM 3010 looks like the antenna to use. Anyone know if I can pick one up local?

Also, is this the antenna you guys would recommend?

-D

Originally posted by DavidTigerFan
Hi Guys,

Just got into the HDTV ballgame here in Goose Creek. From what I can tell the CM 3010 looks like the antenna to use. Anyone know if I can pick one up local?

Also, is this the antenna you guys would recommend?

-D

I think if you used that antenna you'd be fine. I have one now in my attic and get pretty decent reception from Summerville. No Fox or WB and my CBS doesn't come in that well or steady. I just ordered a Winegard Square Shooter and Channel Master 7777 preamp to see how that combo works outside just under my eave. I don't know of any local placed to get a stealth. I know that Lowes carries some Channel Master stuff but the one in Summerville only had this monsterous 152" antenna and that's the only one they carry in stock. Check SolidSignal.com and just wait a few days.
Yesterday I also went to Radio Shack and bought a good size 80" UHF/VHF antenna and Radio Shack preamp. I didn't really get any better reception than using the CM Stealth(3010). I wonder how well the Stealth would do on my roof. They say you lose 50% of your signal in the attic. That's why I'm going to try the Square Shooter outside. Maybe even a Zenith Silver Sensor would work for you. I have one if you want to try it out, and if you like it you can buy it from me for cheap. It's actually a great indoor antenna and picks up about the same stuff downstairs on top of my tv as my Stealth picks up in the attic. PM me if you'd like to talk with me more. I'm learning the hard way on how to get the best signal, and they is no clear cut solution to everyone's various needs.

DavidTigerFan: Welcome to the forum. Wholesale Industrial Electronics may not be the only place, but I'm pretty sure they can get it for you.
They're on East Bay street downtown, near the intersection of Calhoun. Telephone number is 722-2634.

If they don't have it in stock, most of the time they can get it shipped to them from a store in Columbia and have in the next day or two.

There are a lot of variables with reception. Even though Radio shack may not have a great selection, the return policy is hard to beat. If you have anything in line of sight you might consider trying something from there first.

www.antennaweb.org isn't perfect, but it will show you what direction(s) you need to consider from your location.

Let us know how things turn out, we'll try to help as best we can.

Originally posted by DavidTigerFan
Just got into the HDTV ballgame here in Goose Creek. From what I can tell the CM 3010 looks like the antenna to use. Anyone know if I can pick one up local?
-D [/B]

I have got a bunch of items from Wholesale Industrial and they have been great. Give em a call and they can set the stuff aside for you or let you know when it comes in.

I too have tried a bunch of antennas and have had mixed results. I have an older Terk TV55 on the roof that does OK for the analog signals, but pretty well stinks for DTV. And I now know that this antenna is about the biggest rip off out there - but I got it a pretty long time ago and I can at least mount it on the chimney without it being a great eyesore. I also tried a larger radio shack antenna in the attic and that didn't work out very well. I am currently using a silver sensor in the attic and I get CBS/ABC/NBC/PBS very well with that (of course I am pretty close to all of those being in the Brickyard part of Mt Pleasant). Seems to me the big problem here is that the signals are pretty much in opposite directions from here. If someone made a true bidirectional antenna, I think that would work great, but I can't find one. I have considered trying to build one, but the only thing that would really get me is a chance at FOX/UPN and that's still far from guaranteed.

I'd defitely try the silver sensor first (especially if you can borrow it). If it works, its real easy to place since its so compact.

pat, you are right about the Terk's, thanks for bringing that up.

if you do ever pull in FOX, please let me know.
Thanks

heres a question for you guys. Can I use diplexors to put the antenna in the attic and run over existing lines for OTA HD?

I believe you can, but if existing cable is RG-59 you will experience some losses which might affect your reception. RG-6 is a better cable.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=387210

rick

Some HD ant tips
Bigger is better
Higher is better
amps other that CM77xx may kill HD signal
in many cases a rotor will help more than an amp. if stations are more than 20 deg apart.
R/S amps SUCK for HD
only a jerk will sell you a TERK
Attic install can cut signal by 50 %
avoid diplexers.
The new square shooter works about the same as a R/S U75 but is more directional on UHF (more need for rotor) tested one 2 days ago
A CM 9521 rotor cost about the same as an amp. comes with a remote and can be programed for 69 positions.

Its all RG6 in the house...I'll try out the diplexors since I have them and see how it goes.

-DTF

Originally posted by DavidTigerFan
Its all RG6 in the house...I'll try out the diplexors since I have them and see how it goes.

-DTF

I live in Goose Creek as well and at the moment I'm not using my Silver Sensor Antenna . Your more than welcome to borrow it and see if you like it . I had good luck with mine I even picked up Fox with it if I had it in just the right place . Drop me a private message if your interested in trying it out .

Hey Jeff! love to take you up on that offer. Is there a place local that I can pick up a SS? Other than downtown? (It takes me an hour to get there)

David I sent you a PM . I ordered my SS from Circuit City's website it showed up in about 2-3 days .


edit: Oh yeah if you come by and pick it up I'll let you hear my SVS sub and maybe turn another person on to them . I've allready had about 4 people order them after hearing mine . :D

got my ss at sears. also they have it at bestbuy usually

Originally posted by JeffD
David I sent you a PM . I ordered my SS from Circuit City's website it showed up in about 2-3 days .


edit: Oh yeah if you come by and pick it up I'll let you hear my SVS sub and maybe turn another person on to them . I've allready had about 4 people order them after hearing mine . :D

Hey, I'm curious, what SVS model do you have?

Hammer

A question from afar if I may; does your CBS affilliate WCSC have DD5.1 capability?

WCSC does have DD5.1

Anybody around here try a Winegard Square Shooter antenna? I'm just wondering how it does in this area. I ordered one along with a Channel Master 7777 preamp and I'll post how well it works for me.

Originally posted by kirk_olson
Anybody around here try a Winegard Square Shooter antenna? I'm just wondering how it does in this area. I ordered one along with a Channel Master 7777 preamp and I'll post how well it works for me.

Since I am peeking in here (given my inquiry on WCSC), here is my take on the Square Shooter. I tried one here in Sumter back in February trying to receive the Columbia Channels (all UHF but one). In my situation (24 miles to most stations) it worked about the same as my Channel Master 3021 Fourbay Bowtie (see below). However, I pretty much lost my weak UHF PBS station (34 miles; short tower; low power) and my one VHF station's signal was greatly reduced. Given its size and mounting requirements (more like a dbs dish than a TV antenna) I could only do a temporary mount for testing (it requires a pole diameter of 1 1/2" as I recall). If you have multipath issues it might work better than a bowtie or yagi (maybe). Its cost is quite a bit higher but the SqS does include a mount that you might be able to use (I could not). As always, YMMV.

Here are my figures using my Samsung SIR-T150 (number of bars on its meter). I mast mounted both antennas on a 10 ft pole (obviously not optimized but what I normally use now for Cola).
.............. SqS/CM
NBC/41.....6.... .6
CBS/17.....5......7
ABC/8......2-3....6
PBS/32.....1......1-2 (w/CM normally locks; but wSqS very problematic)
FOX/48.....6......6

FWIW, I am thinking of going with a chimney mount, rotor, and an amplifier so I can try and DX WCSC (among others) on occasion. It is about 70 miles away which I know is too far away for reliable reception. But it is fun to play and it would be nice to if one could get a CBS in DD5.1 since ours does not nor has plans to buy the necessary hardware anytime soon.

Bruce

Heard back on the "dandruff" situation with NBC-HD.

It is a network problem that is showing up at all of NBC's stations. Their network operations team in NY is aware of the problem and working on it and hopefully it will be corrected soon.

Bruce, thanks for the antenna information

KTrout: Thanks

KTrout:
It isn't all the network feed's fault. Right now, during the locall news, it is also showing up. And during the local commercials also

Ktrout, you have PM.

LuvThatHDTV: Thanks. I'll pass that on. I don't have my receiver that picks up NBC right now, let someone borrow it for the NCAA and Masters Coverage, so I'm not going to be much help with checking out the channels, will need your help.

AndrewG: Down with that, didn't have time at work earlier to comment. I'll jump on it here in a few minutes. But you probably already read my response.

Originally posted by TheHammer69
Hey, I'm curious, what SVS model do you have?

Hammer


I've got the 20-39PC+

http://www.svsubwoofers.com/subs_pcplus_20-39.htm

If your interested in checking it out just send me a pm and we can set up a time you can hear it .

Well, with Jeff's antenna I can now pick up everything except Fox and UPN. Odd thing though...tonight I was finally able to get NBC, but I have no sound. I have a Samsung SIRTS360 and its been known to drop sound before so I am gonna try a reboot and see if that fixes it.

-DTF

Last night I tried to watch Law and Order on 2-1 and when the picture was HD the sound was static. I noticed at the beginning and then later in the show when it was SD the sound was fine. Tried on two tuners the Samsung and the OTA in my Tosh. I assume everyone else noticed it. Of course the "dandruff" was there as well, but I'll be d**m'd if I'll watch analog TV :D

TigerFan: Regarding the Samsung 360, as far as I know with my 160, when you use the Direct TV info, ( you put in your zip code and let it download local channel info), the PSIP data from WCBD has a mapping problem and you will not get sound when you tune 2-1. My work around has been to not put in the info, and do a channel scan to tune in 2-1,4-1,5-1, 49-1,2,3, etc. Of course only WCSC and PBS are broadcasting their programming info, so you only get guide data for them. But you get sound for NBC. PM me if you need more info. This is a problem with the Samsung Tuner and WCBD's data. I have written WCBD and they have not responded, but according to DirectTV they only use what is available and it is a local PSIP problem.


Andy

I just realized that D* finally has the guide correct for 4.1.
YAY!

I received a call tonight from Knology to let me know that as of today April 8th they now have HD in Charleston. I had requested, via email, any info regarding HD from Knology. They called about 6 pm so the local sales office wasn't available but the regional office gave me some info:

HD will cost $9.95 over the the Digital Cable package
Currently they have CBS, PBS, ESPN, HBO, Discovery, and Starz.
The rep I spoke to, told me that they expect more stations soon, but didn't know what or when.
The box that will be installed is the SA 3250
Although they currently have a SD-PVR available now, there was no word of when a HD-PVR would be available.

Just thought I would pass this info along, not quite upto Comcast's offerings, I told them about ABC and NBC being available, and asked about INHD and HDNet, but competition is a good thing for all of us.

If you are interested call the sales office during business hours, they sound ready to set folks up. I told them I was still waiting to make a decision, but thought there might be some interested out there.

Andy

Ok, let me ask you guys this....

I get NBC now (just without sound, Andrew is helping me with that) but tonight I flipped to ER and while it did appear to be the clarity of HD, it wasn't filling the whole screen like on CBS. I thought maybe I had the wrong mode on my TV, but for some reason the Samsung HLN5065W won't let me change the aspect ratio when I am on the DVI port. So I go into the built in receiver aspect ratio and after cycling through all (pillarbox, zoom 1, zoom 2, panaorama, and full) I still did not get a widescreen presentation. I had black bars on the top and sides of the show. I have a Samsung SIRTS360 receiver.

Am I doing something wrong or was NBC not sending out the right signal?

-DTF

It appears that NBC (WCBD) was sending out ER in SD. They (or NBC) adds the black side bars to the normally 4:3 picture on their digital channel so that your receiver sees it as 16:9 signal. Therefore your receiver doesn't apply any of the stretch modes to it. It outputs the 16:9 signal over the component / DVI connections to your set and it also doesn't stretch it. Now for ER a program that is letterboxed for analog and SD broadcasts, you see a box all the way around, the side boxing for 4:3 signals, and letterboxed for certain shows.

Now the second issue is why is WCBD sending out a SD signal, I think this is related to the the audio static issues that I noticed yesterday. It appears that someone at the studio must have noticed it as well and switched Law and Order last night to SD. That must be continuing to tonight.

This appears to be related to WCBD's issue with the white specs and a bad network feed. Or at least that is my guess.

However, CSI looked great as usual on WCSC tonight :D

Andy

INFORMATION:
I got up and running with firewire yesterday. The Engineering group came with the installer to make sure they could trouble shoot any glitches. They went out of their way to help and actually reviewed my TV manual to find a few settings that helped stream-line the process. They made mention of the HD pvr coming on line in the near future and said I might just get an opportunity to help out with the beta. The 3250 is a good box but I can't wait to try the new PVR. Comcast is really getting with the HD program as they realize that it is the future. But I guess most of us forum readers already knew that :) .

HDSC: I am interested in how the SA3250 is working with the firewire connection. I just replaced my set with a Toshiba 51HX93 with a built in tuner, and firewire connections. I would like to here more about your setup and you FW use, after you get a chance to play around. I currently have D* but am seriously considering jumping to Comcast especially with the promise of a HDPVR in the future. Since I would still have the OTA tuner in the set, I would have everything covered. Also, I read that INHD is having, and is going to have a good number of Red Sox games in HD this season. :D

Please keep us updated with your FW use and success.

Also, a general question for all Comcast/SA3250 users: If you choose to watch everything through the component outs, how does the box handle SD pictures. On my Samsung you can choose either Full (horizontal stretch), Zoom, (2D stretch), or pillar box (no stretch, grey bars on sides). Does the SA3250 have choices or does it do one of the above. Also, on my D* receiver, since all stations are digital, I can connect to my receiver with only a digital optical out cable (i.e. no analog outs) for all my audio. Does the SA3250 convert analog audio to digital or do you need both connections for the analog cable stations?

Thanks,
Andy

Originally posted by AndrewG

Also, on my D* receiver, since all stations are digital, I can connect to my receiver with only a digital optical out cable (i.e. no analog outs) for all my audio. Does the SA3250 convert analog audio to digital or do you need both connections for the analog cable stations?

Thanks,
Andy

I had the SA3250 when I had Comcast HD (I now have Voom) and yes, it does convert analog audio to digital.

Hammer

Andy you may want to hook up both, last night when Surviver came on (WCSC) I had NO center chan output on DD5, but was ok on analog with pro logic.
Some stations have never figured out settings on DD5 (WSAV in Sav.GA) and have little or no center ch output.
Jim

It is Masters Sunday and it is not in HD. I can not believe this.

National CBS changed transponders since they started coverage an hour earlier. As a result, a change was required to the receiver, which Eldon drove into the station to take care of. Thanks Eldon.

You would think on one of CBS's biggest HD events of the year someone would have been on hand to monitor any situation. I pay plenty for HD.

Actually, we're lucky that WCSC has that much committment to spend an Easter afternoon to drive to the station and correct a problem that doesn't make any money for them and affects only a small percentage of their viewers.

I think you'd find that most stations across the country wouldn't have bothered to correct the problem.

Well, I think that says more about "most stations" than anything else.

BTW, I am grateful it is fixed.

Just wanted to give more detail on the HD feed problems yesterday. My account was not totally correct.

A power supply and amplifier for the CBS East Coast HD satellite rack failed Sunday, and they had to switch over to the West Coast HD feed. That also explains why the Sunday night movie was SD only.

CBS is changing back to their normal transponder today, so things should be back to normal today. (I haven't checked and am watching Colorado beat up on the Stars). CBS is sending them a new power supply and amplifier.

By the way, my box is still out so I'm not able to get NBC. Are they still having audio and dandruff problems?

Thanks

Originally posted by KTrout
Just wanted to give more detail on the HD feed problems yesterday. My account was not totally correct.

A power supply and amplifier for the CBS East Coast HD satellite rack failed Sunday, and they had to switch over to the West Coast HD feed. That also explains why the Sunday night movie was SD only.

CBS is changing back to their normal transponder today, so things should be back to normal today. (I haven't checked and am watching Colorado beat up on the Stars). CBS is sending them a new power supply and amplifier.
If you look at the special Masters on CBS in HDTV Sunday (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=389914) thread you see comments from all over the country about the broadcast. While there were plenty of quirks and anomalies reported I certainly saw nothing about a "HD satellite rack" failing across the entire "CBS East Coast".

Originally posted by KTrout
By the way, my box is still out so I'm not able to get NBC. Are they still having audio and dandruff problems?

Thanks

Well they are not in HD tonight, I don't know if they were supposed to be and they switched over or it was always supposed to be SD. Anyway, I only notice the static hiss when they are HD. So I will check in for Leno and report tomorrow. Last night they were still having problems, the static hiss was there.

Andy

The equipment that failed is located at WCSC and is responsible for receiving the East Coast feed.

Are any of you having problems with PBS HD? I'm getting a bunch of rectangular blocks popping in and out all over the screen and my signal quality is up in the 90's. Been doing it for the last couple days now.

Hammer

I have the same pixalation problems on all 3 PBS-HD channels. I have a signal of 100. Not sure how long this has been going on, as I dont watch much PBS.

Same here, has been that way for about 4-6 days

Originally posted by shuttermaker
I have the same pixalation problems on all 3 PBS-HD channels. I have a signal of 100. Not sure how long this has been going on, as I dont watch much PBS.

good, I just wanted to rule out a problem on my end.

Hammer

They still show up as 49.1.2 and 3 do not remap to 7.1.2.3

I watched Leno interview John Travolta last night on NBC and the picture looked and sound great in HD. The audio problems of last week and the "dandruff" were absent. I had a good reference, since Travolta was wearing an all black suit, no sign of the spots. I guess the problem has been fixed.

Andy

Andy is Leno in DD5

Originally posted by kirk_olson
Anybody around here try a Winegard Square Shooter antenna? I'm just wondering how it does in this area. I ordered one along with a Channel Master 7777 preamp and I'll post how well it works for me.

Have you got the SqS installed yet? If so, how is it working out?

Hammer

Originally posted by TheHammer69
Have you got the SqS installed yet? If so, how is it working out?

Hammer

Yes, I hooked up my Square Shooter outside along with a CM 7777 preamp. It works pretty well, although I don't get Fox or WB but they are so low power anyways and didn't expect to. I have to tweak it in some more but I'm pretty satisfied with it. I don't know if it's better than the Stealth because I mounted the SqS outside vice in my attic but I think I'll try the Stealth outside and do a side by side comparison. I need another person to tweak it with me a little bit more. CBS during the day is a little sketchy but in the evening it's crystal clear. I love all of my HDTV though. I could post a picture or email to anybody would like to see it on my house.

Is NBC broadcasting programs in HD? When I tuned into Leno the other night there were black bars on the side. Does the local station add those or something? All of the programs that were in HD on NBC all had the black bars on the sides? Is it supposed to be like this??

Originally posted by kirk_olson
Yes, I hooked up my Square Shooter outside along with a CM 7777 preamp. It works pretty well, although I don't get Fox or WB but they are so low power anyways and didn't expect to. I have to tweak it in some more but I'm pretty satisfied with it. I don't know if it's better than the Stealth because I mounted the SqS outside vice in my attic but I think I'll try the Stealth outside and do a side by side comparison. I need another person to tweak it with me a little bit more. CBS during the day is a little sketchy but in the evening it's crystal clear. I love all of my HDTV though. I could post a picture or email to anybody would like to see it on my house.

Is NBC broadcasting programs in HD? When I tuned into Leno the other night there were black bars on the side. Does the local station add those or something? All of the programs that were in HD on NBC all had the black bars on the sides? Is it supposed to be like this??

I think Somebody mentioned that NBC is having a problem. Go ahead and post them pictures.

Hammer

Here are two of my pictures hot off of the press. Not the greatest but the sun was right there.

And one more...

Just thought I'd show you where I live so you can get a better idea of where I'm at. I'm the big red dot.

Kirk, NBC was showing a lot of their HD stuff in SD at the end of last week because I think there were having problems, notably audio, but some video as well. As of Leno last night they were in HD again.

BTW, just my opinion but I would ground that antenna, maybe you did inside, but typically it is grounded through a block to the house common ground.

Jim,
i don't think WCBD has 5.1 capabilities, I didn't get it anyway. Anyone know if they have the capability?

Andy

Thanks Andrew, looks like NBC is working great now.

On another note, did anyone notice an audio to video sync mismatch tonight? I get it every once and a while. It was around 8:15 on both CBS and NBC but not on ABC. They were all HD programming, and I'm using my VOOM stb for OTA. Next time I see it I'll switch over to my LG LST-3510A OTA tuner to see if it's on my end or on the broadcasters.

Kirk:
Nice Job with the install and the map. Lets see your HD picture on the screen, using that antenna system next time. I can see why you don't get WB and Fox that far out. I think I might have to get some more info on the square shooter in the future that looks great.
HDSC

Andy,

I'll try to get to some of your questions on the 3250 box in the next couple of days.

I'm planning on setting up a tour of WCBD sometime in the next two weeks. If you are interested please let me know.

Thanks

Check out this link in programming regarding Fox's intention to show up to 6 games in HD a week:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=391168

Great for Sunday Ticket Purchasers, but now we need to get our local station to get ready for HD and to boost the power, so we can get the one game a week in HD. Hopefully, Comcast and Knology will carry their HD signal if/when they have it, but anyone know about their plans to up the power or get a real antenna?


Andy

Im moving from Johns Island to Summerville. The house im moving into is serviced by TWC. Cant decide should I switch from DirecTV to TWC, or stick with the dish. I spoke to a CSR at TWC and they told me that with their HD box you cannot hook up an outside antenna. So my HD viewing on the networks would be limited to CBS-HD, because currently that is all they provide. A Columbia technician is supposed to call me in the morning about a possible time frame for them picking up ABC-HD and NBC-HD. TWC also does not offer the NFL Sunday ticket. Is anyone in the forum using TWC HD?

Please let me know your experiences and or feedback.

Thanks,
Mike

KTrout:
I'd be interested in a tour if I'm not working that day

Originally posted by shuttermaker
Im moving from Johns Island to Summerville. The house im moving into is serviced by TWC. Cant decide should I switch from DirecTV to TWC, or stick with the dish. I spoke to a CSR at TWC and they told me that with their HD box you cannot hook up an outside antenna. So my HD viewing on the networks would be limited to CBS-HD, because currently that is all they provide. A Columbia technician is supposed to call me in the morning about a possible time frame for them picking up ABC-HD and NBC-HD. TWC also does not offer the NFL Sunday ticket. Is anyone in the forum using TWC HD?

Please let me know your experiences and or feedback.

Thanks,
Mike

Shuttermaker, I'm in Summerville and had TWC. They only provide Discovery HD, PBS HD and an HBO and Showtime HD. They told me I had to pay $10 a month for their decoder and it just wasn't worth it. I now have VOOM and it's great. OTA and as much HD as I can get now. I bought an LG LST-3510A and I could decode TWC's HD channels along with their digital ones that they did not scramble. The only reason I'd maybe think about having TWC is to have Fox and WB, because I can't get them OTA out here, they are just too low of power at this time. Let me know if you have anymore questions.
Kirk

Originally posted by shuttermaker
A Columbia technician is supposed to call me in the morning about a possible time frame for them picking up ABC-HD and NBC-HD.
Thanks,
Mike

I appreciate that you will be receiving a call back from Columbia on your questions because I love to see examples of good customer service from my fellow employees, however a technician is not qualified to answer this question.

Currently TWC is in negotiations with ABC and NBC in Charleston to carry their HD signals. The broadcast affiliates have received the same contracts that these affiliates in the Columbia DMA have already opted to sign. The negotiations are handled by lawyers and there is no way to determine a airframe of when they will be executed. That said, TWC in Summerville will immediately add broadcast affiliates to the lineup upon resolution of these three steps

1. The broadcast affiliate airs an HD signal
2. TWC and the broadcast affiliate execute a Retransmission Consent contract for carriage
3. In Summerville, specifically, the current cable plant upgrade has been completed in a given area. This upgrade of the entire system will be completed in the fall, so some areas will not receive new HD channels until that time. Please see www.twcsc.com for additional information on the Summerville Upgrade project.

Please let me know if you have any additional questions either here on the thread or at twcscnews@twcable.com if you prefer.

Have a great weekend.

Well, as of this post I havent received a return call from TWC Columbia. So thanks for the info Diana. Do I have to use the provided HD cable box from TWC, or can I purchase my own? If I can, what models are acceptable?

Thanks,
Mike

Originally posted by shuttermaker
Well, as of this post I havent received a return call from TWC Columbia. So thanks for the info Diana. Do I have to use the provided HD cable box from TWC, or can I purchase my own? If I can, what models are acceptable?

Thanks,
Mike

You do have to use one of ours - either the SA3250 for $9.95 per month or my personal favorite the HD DVR (SA 8000HD) for $14.90 ($9.95 for converter plus $4.95 for DVR functionality) Current Free HD channels in Summerville are SCETV, WCSC, Discovery HD Theatre. Upon upgrade you can add the HD Tier - HD Net, HD Net Movies, IN HD 1, IN HD 2 for $6.95 per month.

Hi everyone, enjoy reading this forum. Quick question, I live in Mt. Pleasant and am looking at the SIR-T351 from Sears along with the Silver Sensor. What kind of reception should I expect without having to get in the attic? I'm looking at the weekends for sports and the wife is interested in CSI. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Also, what do you think of the MOTO boxes? Comparable? Thanks in advance.

loadams: go here to figure out where you are in relation to where the stations broadcast...... http://www.markuyak.com/schdtv/antennas.htm

in mt. pleasant you should have no trouble with CBS, ABC and PBS. NBC is a little iffy depending on where you live.... obviously closer to the Cooper River Bridge is better. FOX is a very weak signal, but possible as you get closer to downtown Mt. P. I don't think you'll see much difference between on top of the TV and the attic where you are. You might have to go outside for FOX and NBC, depending again on where you live.

I don't have any experience w/ the MOTO box.

Do you have satellite, cable, or another type of service or are you just looking for OTA reception?

Tentative tour date is next Tuesday, the 27th starting at 6 pm.

I'll post when it's confirmed.

Thanks for the quick reply. We have Comcast, but have had so many problems in the past year or so with their signal. Had techs come out 3 times to diagnose and they said the problem lies further down the road with their trunking .Checked our signal strength and it was good. They've replaced our connectors, replaced the amplifier on the corner, etc. We have problems "ON occasion" with what seems like static and when u call the tech dept they;ll set up some one to come out in a few days or so, but by then , the problem clears up. This has happened at least 20 times or so in the past couple of months. Not the set because it does it through out the house, so...
Sorry, long-winded here, was interested in OTA cause it's FREE after my initial investmest. The SAMMY says it does QAM digital tuning, do u know if Comcast encodes in QAM?
Anyway, thanks so much for all of the info, just bouncing on the options. I appreciate the dedication your guys and girls have for this here. I look forward to corresponding in the furture.

As far as I know Comcast uses QAM256 which the tuner in the Samsung should be able in theory to decode. However, I am under the impression (from other forums, not from Comcast directly) that they encrypt their digital signal and that includes the OTA locals that they retransmit, so conventional QAM digital tuners can't decode it. I can tell you that the QAM tuner in my Toshiba 51HX93 set can't tune the locals through the Comcast feed.

Andy

Next Tuesday, starting at 6 pm.

Hope to see a few of you there. If you're on the fence, please show up as it will indicate that there is an interest here locally for HD.

Additionally, it's pretty interesting how things are done in general.

Thanks

Thanks Andrew, I was over at network54.com and read basically the same. However, one poster pointed that he could receive both but had to manually switch coaxes, for the box cannot decode both OTA, which uses 8G....something or other and QAM at the same time. Anyway, I know this is completely off subject but thought it interesting to pass on. This stuff can get real tech if you dive in deep.
Having a wife factor here, so I am trying to make this as powder-coated as possible. Again, thanks for your replies and looking forward to getting in HDTV.

For the information of everyone who has a satellite, or cable. There is a new bill going through congress that would allow satellite providers to provide distant network HD feeds via satellite for people who can't receive HD signals from their local broadcast stations. Check it out and please send a message to our congressman.

www.IwantmyHDTV.com


P.S.

Mark (KTrout), where is the WCBD studio at, I would like to go there and see the tour. Tuesday at 6:00 PM right?

While I agree with the idea that if locals won't provide the HDTV signal the networks should be allowed to send a signal through the cable or satellite systems, the above is not a bill proposed, just a group trying to organize. They have instructions to contact your congressman and ask to have rules changed. DishNetwork has called for this for years, and they are one of the sponsors or groups that make up the iwantmyhdtv.com group. Good for them, but in Charleston, I guess all we are waiting for is FOX and UPN. Of course Comcast has yet to pick up NBC, but hopefully that will be resolved soon.

That page has some mistakes as well. There is no FCC / government mandate for HDTV. There is only a requirement for DTV. Now, thankfully for us, market forces drive the networks to provide HDTV to compete with each other. Of course in a local area there is no competition, if you don't like the quality of WTAT's Fox signal you can't tune in WXXX's FOX signal. That is where this group would like to step in. I think the effort is good, because even if it gets some interest it should spur the locals to step up.

Andy

rothfusz: I-26 to 17N towards Mt. P.
Take Coleman Blvd. off of the bridge (stay in left hand lane and exit left after getting off bridge). WCBD will be on the left after road that goes to the Yorktown and Patriots Point.
Glad you can make it. Tuesday at 6 pm is correct.

Andrew G is correct about FCC / Government mandate. And DTV coverage doesn't have to cover entire viewing area, just a percentage. Very vague. I've contacted FCC about this but have not yet gotten a response. I think it's unfair that some companies are able to use this loophole to avoid providing the public while others have spent millions on it.

Just a reminder............. Tour of WCBD at 6 pm on Tuesday.

It's open to anyone that's interested, wife and kids etc.

Thanks.

Just a question re: COMCAST. Since we are prevented by trees to get Directv, we had to go with COMCAST, any idea when they will increase their HD offering in the Mt Pleasant area ??????
rick

Good Afternoon,

Please be aware, on Tuesday, May 4th, sometime between 2am and 6am, Discovery HD Theater will be moved from its current satellite to a new satellite. This will result in a very short interruption of service. Unfortunately, this disruption is unavoidable.

Please let me know if you have any additional questions,

WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO WITV HDTV . I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO RECEIVE IT FOR A FEW DAYS

I noticed that as well. I also noticed over the last week or two that they were tuning in OTA as both 49-1,2,3 and 32-1,2,3, using the internal tuner in my set. I did notice last night they were off. OTA (I also have Comcast) they have been nearly unwatchable due to pixalation on the HD station. However, I was using the OTA tuner last night to watch NBC (not on Comcast....) and checked out PBS to see the picture and there was no signal at 49 (or 32). The digital signal meter had a 0 reading (it is usually >90) so there was nothing being broadcast last night at least.

Andy

BTW, can anyone report on the tour last night, I am sorry I couldn't make it but would be interested in hearing how it went. Any word on negotiations with Comcast or Knology? I assume that the issue is with the affiliate and not the network since NBC is carried on other Comcast cable, (my brother in MA for example)?

Got a note from Eldon. He wanted everyone to know that Knology is now carrying WCSC-DT on Channel 902.

As far as the tour goes. Their facility is very very nice. We got the full tour and saw every nook and cranny in their facility. Everyone was very nice and it really is amazing how much equipment is involved with broadcasting.

In regards to negotiations, it totally is with the parent station and not just with COMCAST and WCBD, but with COMCAST and all 26 stations owned by the parent company. So, locally, they'd love to be able to do something, but the proverbial corporate people are obviously involved.

There's a lot of work that has to happen at Channel 2's antenna in Awendaw, and right now the time frame is still 12 to 18 months before they're broadcasting at 1000kW like WCSC.

Thanks to WCBD for opening up their building.

Might be a little off the topic, but I'm hoping someone could help me. I live on James Island and I'm about to upgrade to HDTV and trying to decide if it would be better to get a TV with a tuner built in or not (Sony KP51WS550) and was wondering if anyone on from the area could tell me how OTA signals are coming in. I guess I'm trying to determine if I can get a good signal, so I wouldn't have to upgrade with Comcast. I'm also not up on the whole tuner/antena area, so any input would be great.

Lancer1991: Welcome to the forum. Nothing is off topic here, so don't be afraid to ask questions. You are what we're here for.

To your question. I don't know exactly where you live, but theres a good bet that being on James Island you would be able to pick up most if not all of the digital channels here locally. Channel 47 (CBS), Channel 49 (PBS) and Channel 34 (ABC) should almost be sure things with indoor or outdoor antennas. Channel 50 (NBC) should be possible with both indoor or outdoor, but you might need an outdoor antenna. Channels 40 (FOX) and 35 (UPN) are broadcast at very low power and it will really depend on where you live. There's a few sites that could help you out with OTA reception. www.antennaweb.org is a popular one. For more specific information regarding antenna locations here in Charleston, check my website at http://www.markuyak.com/schdtv/antennas.htm .

The benefit of a built in tuner would be that you could receive Channels 50, 40 and 35 which aren't currently offered with COMCAST HD service. Again, 40 and 35 are hard to get. Channel 50 should be possible for you. It will be 18 months plus before these 3 channels will be as dependable as Channel 47, WCSC-DT.

Sorry I couldn't spend more time on it. But if you have any more questions, please ask.

Lancer1991 -

I am on James Island (off Harbor View across from the Pig). I can pick up WCSC(CBS) using basically a paper clip. For WCBD(NBC), I had to put an indoor antenna (Silver Sensor) up in the attic. With that setup, I can get WCSC, WITV(ABC), WCBD, and PBS all very reliably. I never could get Fox or UPN.

I ended up getting Comcast for ESPN-HD and the INHD channels. Hopefully they will add more soon.

FWIW, my take on internal tuners is that as quickly as this technology is advancing, an external tuner is easier to replace than an internal one. Plus, with Comcast, I am not even using my tuner right now.

From James Island you shouldn't have any problem getting WCSC (the paper clip antenna really is enough, I have received it with the coax plugged into the set but with the antenna disconnected from the other end ), PBS (also full power), and ABC and NBC. In West Ashley I have had both STB tuners and now an internal one in my current set. I recently switched to Comcast from D* and would have waited if I didn't have the internal tuner because they don't have NBC yet (I like Law and Order in HD!) I have an UHF antenna in the attic, but am currently using the Silver Sensor on top of some shelves. I get CBS,ABC, NBC, PBS without moving the antenna, and if I move it 90 degrees I can get FOX, although most folks can't.

If you don't want to upgrade your Comcast service then the internal tuner is a no brainer. Even if you do NBC is only available OTA right now. I wouldn't worry about the tuner being obsolete, since all tuners in sets will receive all 18 (or so) approved ASTC formats, and typically they are only about $100 than the set without it.

One more thing about the internal tuners and it helped me make the decision. As far as I know, most HDTV sets with internal tuners also have Firewire connections to allow for recording out from the set. That may be something that will interest you in the future. Of course cable boxes are starting to incorporate them as well for the same reason.

Andy

Originally posted by LngdnAlger
Lancer1991 -

I am on James Island (off Harbor View across from the Pig). I can pick up WCSC(CBS) using basically a paper clip. For WCBD(NBC), I had to put an indoor antenna (Silver Sensor) up in the attic. With that setup, I can get WCSC, WITV(ABC), WCBD, and PBS all very reliably. I never could get Fox or UPN.

I ended up getting Comcast for ESPN-HD and the INHD channels. Hopefully they will add more soon.

FWIW, my take on internal tuners is that as quickly as this technology is advancing, an external tuner is easier to replace than an internal one. Plus, with Comcast, I am not even using my tuner right now.

I'm a little further in over by Fort Lamar, but I'm sure it wouldn't be much different.

The only reason I was looking at a set with a built in tuner, was that I read some info saying that the picture looked a little better than the one without and an issue that the TV would accept a 720p signal, but would downconvert it to 480p, so I figured with a tuner that wouldn't happen (not 100% sure though). I think the price difference is about $300, how much would it cost for an external tuner to use for OTA and are there any models better than others?

Lancer1991: Welcome to the forum. Nothing is off topic here, so don't be afraid to ask questions. You are what we're here for.

Thanks.

Lancer1991: Don't know for sure, but I believe the OTA receivers start around $300.

I'm not sure about the integrated tuner downrezzing from 720p to 480p, but if it does that would be a deal breaker for me. If that were the case, ESPN, ABC and FOX programming would be converted to something no better than your progressive DVD player. Normally a TV that's not capable of passing 720p would convert the 720p to 1080i.

Most set top boxes would upconvert the 720p to 1080i. The only set top box that has a problem that I know about are those manufactured by Samsung (I think). They can't seem to understand NBC's PSIP.

I think if I were you, I'd go with the integral tuner, unless of course the 720p goes to 480p.

Lancer, If you are looking at a set that has an internal tuner and downrezzes 720P to 480p then I would avoid it. Most sets today w/ or w/o tuners will upconvert 720P to 1080i if that is its native resolution. With ABC, ESPN, and FOX committed to 720p I wouldn't go near a tuner that downrezzed.

I agree with Ktrout that an integral tuner would work for you if it up converts 720p. If you are interested in STB OTA only tuners I think ebay might be a good place to check. I haven't used it but I hear that the Samsung SIR-T151 OTA tuner is one of the better ones, and you can find that on ebay for around $150 or less used, and about $200 new. The recent upgrade of that is called the 351, but the 151 is supposed to be very good. Also the SIR-T165 is another Samsung OTA tuner, with FW and DVI out, and can be found on ebay for about $300. Check Sears as well, they were closing out the 151 but they might be gone now.

Andy

I have the 151 and it upconverts 720 to 1080. Sears had them for $100 not long ago.
Jim

Thanks for all the responses, what a great forum.

I found the manual online for the Sony KPxxWS510 and in it there was a statement about 720p being displayed in 480p, but I haven't been able to find the manual for the KPxxWS550 that has the integrated tuner. I'm sure, based off some of your responses, that the integrated tuner would upconvert, as it sounds like any STB would do the same. Anyway, I think the non-tuner TV is only an issue with the current XBox game system that apparently has some 720p games where you would only get a 420p picture (not an issue for me since Sony PS2 doesn't have the higher resolution). With a STB added on, all the programming should be converted to 1080.

I think I may just spend the xtra cash and get the integrated, especially if the picture is better (will have to see for myself), but it also sound like I could spend the same amount for a STB.

Once again, thanks for all the help.

Lancer1991: Here's a link where entering the model number below you can get the TV manual.

http://www.iq.sony.com/srvs/sosdocs/default.asp?src=sonysupport

KDP51WS550

Saw a few places on the web where this TV is capable of displaying 720p so I don't think the downrez is an issue. Good luck, let us know how things turn out.

Ordered the KDP51WS550 today and should have it Wednesday. Anyone know where I can get the Digital Video Essentials Disk, and where I can get a Silver Sensor antenna locally?

Best Buy and Sears carry the Silver Sensor

Lancer,

DVE has their own web site here http://store.yahoo.com/dvdinternational/dve.html or you can sometimes find them on ebay. I bought mine directly from DVE.

John

Stopped at Sears today and picked up the antenna. As for DVE I just ordered it through Amazon and will have it Thursday.

I'm totally dumfounded that CC and BB employees seemed to look at me with a blank stare as I asked for DVE or Avia. Why is it these people have no clue?

And Best Buy used to carry their own version on DVE,,, morons!

My folks just got a Sammy DLP set and got the Sci Atl Explorer 8000HD box from Time Warner (Columbia, SC). I was surprised to find out that the STB records HD programs. I didn't know any cable companies were offering them yet.

I immediately started wondering when Comcast down here might have an HD DVR option. I am using the Sci Atl Explorer 3250HD, so I would imagine that the 8000 would be compatible. Has anyone heard any news on this?

Also, does TWC down here offer that box?

Lastly, does anyone know what it would cost to buy an 8000HD somewhere and use it here? I did a little looking and was unable to find one.

Thanks.

I have TWC in Summerville, the 8000HD is available. Currently I have the 8000SD as well as the 8000HD, each adds $4.95 to my bill for the DVR functionality. They are both well worth the money, I have been pleased with both units and plan to continue using both. Each unit has 2 tuners (both HD capable on the 8000HD)and you can record 2 programs as well as watch a recorded program concurrently. As far as buying one yourself, they are not available to the public as far as I know and each must be supported by the cable company headend. Someone on another forum I follow purchased one on ebay that turned out to be stolen from TWC and is now just a boat anchor.

Phil

When my 3250 was installed Comcast told me the 8000 box was on the horizon for their system. I have relatively easy access to my system and they said I might get to BETA the new box. I told them to just order me one and we would work out the details. That was a few months ago, but I did get the first 3250 in their system with firewire. So trouble shooting has been painless. They were great to bring out the engineers for this hook-up. And I suspect that they will be equally on top of things with the PVR program also.

I'm glad to hear that you have good experiences with the 8000HD. I'm looking forward to someday joining the DVR community. It should be sooner than later.

Lancer1991: Please be sure to give us your impressions once things are online.

Received the KDP51WS550 by Sony yesterday and hooked up the Silver Sensor antenna. Who would have thought I'd be fastenated watching PBS. Don't get me wrong, they do have some good programing, but WOW the picture is amazing. Just recieved the DVE disc today and haven't done any settings to the TV yet, short of turning the Brightness and Picture down.

I'm a little disappointed that NBC isn't in 16:9 format. Why broadcast HD if you're going to only show 4:3. Haven't hooked up the receiver and the full 5.1 yet, so we'll see how that goes. Looking forward to watching CSI tonight.

Is it possible to put my Silver Senor in the attic? I've already noticed that if I turn it a little bit I loose some stations, but I'd like to get it out of sight. Unfortunately if it's in the attic, it's hard to move it if needed.

Still a little confused with the whole channel scheme. That is the 49.1, etc. It looks as though NBC has relocated to channel 2.

Once again, the picture is amazing. Now only if I can clear up my Comcast signal a bit, I may be all set (had some fuzz on my previous TV which was only 27").

If it's 4:3 it's not HD.

Tuner is saying it's HD and even saying it's 16:9, but I have the grey bars down the side.

What program were you watching?

There's a couple of sources on the net to check on whether or not shows are supposed to be in HD:

www.titantv.com and www.zap2it.com

I'm guessing you might have been watching CSI. I didn't tune in this evening so I can't say for sure whether or not it was shown in HD.
Sounds like you might be watching HD programming through SD outputs on your box.

Oh yeah, here's some quick help on the channels:

Channel 2 NBC - DTV Channel 50, Shows as 2-1
Channel 4 ABC - DTV Channel 34, Shows as 4-1
Channel 5 CBS - DTV Channel 47, Shows as 5-1 (and 5-2 is Doppler)
Channel 7 PBS - DTV Channel 49, Shows as 49-1, 49-2, 49-3
Channel 24 FOX - DTV Channel 40, Shows as 24-1
Channel 36 UPN - DTV Channel 35, Shows as 36-1

I have not yet witnessed 24-1 and 36-1 so someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

Actually last night I went on 2.1 to see Leno, which I thought was HD, but apparently not.

Just watched CSI and it was HD at 16:9 and during commercials the screen was 4:3 with black side bars and then some local commercials went to grey side bars. Just flipped on NBC's news and it was in 4:3, but picture looked as if HD and the bars were black.

I can't seem to get ABC here on James Island. Might need to get that antenna in the attic or might actually get a longer coax and try to run it outside first to see if I can get and unobstructed signal.

lancer, Leno is in Las Vegas this week so it is SD. You TV might say HD but it just sees the 1080i upconverted SD signal. As Gary says, if its 4:3 it's not HD. But as you have seen, even the digital OTA station SD signals are a significant over improvement over your cable analog feeds.

If you don't see ABC you will probably need the larger antenna in the attic. You should be able to find a position where you get 2-1, 4-1, 5-1 and 49-1,2,3. Channel 2-1 is both weak and on a low tower, so you would have to optimize that one, but 4-1 is on the same high tower with PBS on WCSC's tower so they are usually easier to get. In general you can point in a similar direction toward Mt. Pleasant. FOX and UPN are very low power and a very low antenna in N. Charleston, so you would need to turn an antenna, even with turning they are so weak you will have difficulty getting them. With FOX supposedly helping all affiliates get ready to broadcast HD by this fall, hopefully Comcast will pick it up, because it doesn't sound like they will get to full power anytime soon.

Check out Ktrout's antenna map on his web page to get an idea of how to aim for 2-1, and then just tweek toward the WCSC antenna to get all the stations.

Andy

Originally posted by lancer1991

Once again, the picture is amazing. Now only if I can clear up my Comcast signal a bit, I may be all set (had some fuzz on my previous TV which was only 27").

If you had a fuzzy picture on your 27" set I wouldn't even try on you big screen. I would call Comcast, you probably have a signal problem, perhaps old wiring in the house, too many splits in the wire, or maybe something related to Comcast's feed to your house. Do you have digital cable? Regardless of the quality of the feed, some (especially analog) stations are never going to look good on cable, but some of the digital stuff should look very good. Just curious.

Andy

If you had a fuzzy picture on your 27" set I wouldn't even try on you big screen. I would call Comcast, you probably have a signal problem, perhaps old wiring in the house, too many splits in the wire, or maybe something related to Comcast's feed to your house. Do you have digital cable? Regardless of the quality of the feed, some (especially analog) stations are never going to look good on cable, but some of the digital stuff should look very good. Just curious.

I believe the problem is some wiring I ran. I ran cable to the kitchen and a second location in the living room and installed a second splitter under the house to run these 2 lines. I do have digital cable and the digital stuff looked 100% better on the 27" than the standard feed, but I'm not noticing such a big difference now on the new set.

I was able to get ABC tonight. Ran a longer coax and set the Silver Sensor up outside and it tuned it in. I then brought it back in the house and it kept the signal. I wish all the other stations would broadcast in 5.1 DD.

Originally posted by AndrewG
Check out Ktrout's antenna map on his web page to get an idea of how to aim for 2-1, and then just tweek toward the WCSC antenna to get all the stations.

Andy

What's the web address?

You can find it here.

www.markuyak.com/schdtv/schdtv.htm

On the very top I have a link to "antenna locator and distance calculator". Antennaweb.org does the distance for you now, so I don't know if I would go through the trouble of doing it this way.

By the way, I'm now an official member of the Daddy Group.

2:19 Saturday morning we had a healthy baby girl.

I think I might have more interest in late night HD programming suddenly.

Congrats Mark!!!

Congrats. Amazing how much they change your life, in a good way. My little girl is 8 months old and it's a joy to watch them grow.

Congratulations Mark !

Way to go Mark, get ready for late nights.

Congratulations Mark, get use to 2:19 am. You be seeing it a lot.
Re: late night HD programming, you can't start them soon enough. Imagine, she may very well never remember analog television :D

Andy

Congratulations on the birth of your daughter! She is just 2 months younger than my daughter. I find that you get some interesting things on Discovery HD at night. I already know more about giant deep sea oil wells and a funny guy with a love of insects than anyone needs to know!

Congratulations on the baby! Take my advice and savor every minute. Before you know it she'll be 19 and a sophmore in college like my "baby girl".

Phil

New user here...My HDTV w/built in tuner arrives tommorow. My question is I now see that according to Panasonic's web site the TV has 1080i and 540p capabilities. Now mind you that I have no idea what this means but I seem to be seeing that many others use 720p, whatever that it. Am I missing somthing? It is a PT-53WXD63. I would post the link but this board will not allow that until I make three posts.

My setup will be

OTA antenna in attic in Summerville, Dishnet PVR (non HD), DVD...TV feeding into a DD 5.1 system via optical.

Thanks much.

rmwjr: Welcome to the forum. Attached is a general piece of information on HDTV that might help you out with some of your questions.
720p and 1080i are basically just two different transmission formats. If your TV doesn't recognize 720p in its native form, it will upconvert it to 1080i.

Gotta run, if you still have questions, please ask them.

To All: Thanks for the well wishes. Things are great! And don't worry, I already have a 5.1 surround system in the nursery!

Thanks for the info on the 1080 stuff. I have got it in and up. Getting 5, 4, and PBS in HD great. No NBC however. I did not expect to get Fox from what I had been reading here. Is that normal doe Summerville with a decent size yagi in the attic? Antenna web seems to think I should get NBC before getting ABC.

I was hoping I could get some quick help versus reading through the whole thread. It looks as though I will be moving to Folly Beach this August and I want to figure out my best options for HDTV. Right now, I'm on Directv receiving local HDTV OTA. For my questions:

1) Are all of the locals in Charleston (NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox) broadcasting in HDTV when available?

2) If so, is an attic antenna in Folly strong enough to pull these signals in?

3) What does Comcast provide as far as HDTV goes (including locals)?

Thanks you so much for any help you can give me.

Trip in Columbia, SC

Good Morning,

Friday, May 21st at 9am, TNT HD will launch its new service. Time Warner Cable of South Carolina will provide the service free to all HDTV customers on channel 840. The service will be available immediately in areas of Summerville that have already been upgraded and will become available upon completion of the upgrade in other areas.

TNT HD features an incredible array of programming from award-winning dramas like Law & Order to exciting NBA season action to original movies, series and more, all in HD with continual 5.1 Surround Sound. Friday nights programming will center around Game 1 of the NBA Western Series final between LA Lakers and the winner of the Sacramento Kings/Minnesota Timberwolves series.

Have a great week, and I join in the congratulations on the birth of your daughter Mark!

That's nice news for TWC customers, it sound like they are on top of things. That's especially nice for basketball fans. I hope Comcast can get things together with TNT-HD, I haven't talked to anyone local but an email inquiry a week or so ago, told me that they had no plans for TNT-HD in our area.

Andy

That is great news. Im moving from Johns Island to Summerville the first week in June. Ive already setup my installation of TWC for June 4th. So I will be saying goodbye to the Dish.

Welcome to the "neighborhood". I suggest you try the 8000HD DVR, it is fantastic to be able to time shift HD. I also have the standard 8000 for none HD programming and each only adds $5 to my monthly bill. TWC is currently upgrading the system and fortunately for me, my area was one of ones they started on. As soon as it is complete they'll add the HD Tier that Columbia already has.

Phil

Trip:

1) Are all of the locals in Charleston (NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox) broadcasting in HDTV when available?
ALL SAVE FOR FOX. Fox is just upconverting and putting out a 480i signal. Unfortunately, I don't think this will change as this is a Sinclair owned station. Their signal strength is very low, don't think you'll get it on Folly Beach. The local PBS Station is available in HD as well.

2) If so, is an attic antenna in Folly strong enough to pull these signals in?
CBS Definitely; ABC and PBS Most Likely; NBC Probably so, but you may need an amplifier.

3) What does Comcast provide as far as HDTV goes (including locals)?
ESPN, INHD, INHD2, HBO, SHO, ABC, CBS and PBS
Negotiations with NBC's parent company and COMCAST are, well probably on the back burner.


Diana: Thanks for the update and for the well wishes.

Shuttermaker: Couldn't cut those trees down so you had to move to improve your HD reception? That's pretty hardcore! :)

PCM : Thanks for the welcome. I am going to subscribe to TWC's "Speed Of Light" package and have opted for both the 8000 HD as well as the SD boxes. Im getting all of this with the Dish buy back program. I will not be trading in my HIRD E-86 box, as I can get more for it on the open market, should I choose to sell it compared to the trade in value from TWC. Do you have any experience with TWC Roadrunner internet service? Would like to know what to expect in the way of reliability and speed.

KTrout : Those trees are in full bloom with leaves and im leaving not a moment too soon. :)

Shuttermaker:

I had TWC RR service at my old house for 4 years and my only down time was less that 1 day total. 1 time the backhaul to Columbia was cut by a backhoe and the second is when the modem died and the office was closed.

My folks have had it about 6 mos. with out any major trouble. that is if you don't count the squirrles snacking on the drop from the street.

I am building a new house in Coosaw Creek and it should be done the first or second week of June. I have talked the wife into letting me hang a HDTV picture (30" LCD) on the wall. Woohoo! I can't wait.

BTW I read the entire (most of it anyway) thread today you guys are hard core. :)

Originally posted by shuttermaker
PCM : Thanks for the welcome. I am going to subscribe to TWC's "Speed Of Light" package and have opted for both the 8000 HD as well as the SD boxes. Im getting all of this with the Dish buy back program. I will not be trading in my HIRD E-86 box, as I can get more for it on the open market, should I choose to sell it compared to the trade in value from TWC. Do you have any experience with TWC Roadrunner internet service? Would like to know what to expect in the way of reliability and speed.

KTrout : Those trees are in full bloom with leaves and im leaving not a moment too soon. :)

A Great Big Welcome to my newest favorite Summerville Customer. You have all my favorite packages. Let me know when your settled in and I'll buy you a movie!

Tritchie,

I'm 3 miles from the Holiday Inn on Folly and I can get ABC, NBC, CBS, and PBS with a Zenith Silver Sensor sitting on top of the TV on the first floor of a 2 story house. Hope this helps.

Thanks ktrout for the help. That will help me decide what direction I want to go.

Shuttermaker:
I haven't switched to Roadrunner but I plan to in the future. I have several friends who are very satisfied with it and they recommend the switch.

Diana: Thanks for the offer :)


PCM: Thanks, sounds like a winner. Ive been reading about the roadrunner service at www.dslreports.com and they have some nice speed test tools as well.

Good Afternoon,

We are tentatively planning to have the DVR 1.1 Software download available to all TWC South Carolina DVR customers within the next 5 to 10 business days. I have included some general information below as an overview of the new features. This information is applicable to both SD and HD DVRs. I will send out an additional email when I know the download has been sent to your DVRs.

Activates:
· S-Video Out
· Composite Video & Audio Inputs

Features:

· Copy a Recorded Program to VCR Tape – allows user to copy a recording to VCR while watching or recording another channel. Customer required to purchase their own connection cables.
· Adds “Recording Space Used” status – allows customer to determine available space for additional recording.
· Auto-Erasing Oldest Recordings – allows customer to schedule new recording, even if there is not enough recording space. DVR will automatically erase oldest recording that is NOT marked as NEVER Erase in order to provide room for newest scheduled recordings.
· Copy First-Run Episodes only – allows customer to select just First-Run Episodes when All Episodes is selected on the Confirm Recording screen.
· Power Save Mode – allows the converter to power down during the time from 1:00 am to 6:00 am if there is no customer activity. Customer can avoid the power down by touching any key when they receive the power down message. While in power-down mode, converters will still execute scheduled recordings and will still receive scheduled maintenance from the headend.


This download will be available to all DVRs no matter the status of the upgrade in your area.


On a related note, the DVI Output is now anticipated to be activated with the DVR 1.2 Software download which is not tentatively scheduled until August or September.


Have a great weekend,

The DVR 1.1 Software download will be made available to all TWC South Carolina DVR customers during the course of regular business today, May 25, 2004. If you turn off your DVR or HD DVR for several minutes during the course of the day, the converter will receive this download. The Headend staff will initiate a forced download of the new software during the regular maintenance window very early tomorrow morning, Wednesday, May 26th. This will ensure that all DVRs and HD DVRs will have received the download by start of business tomorrow.

Please let me know if you have any questions,

DavidTigerFan: Maybe you are ignoring or not looking at your PMs but I really need my Silver Sensor back you said you were going to drop it off 3 weeks ago and nothing here yet . How about letting me know what's going on !

Does Anyone Know If WCBD Has Increased Their Power On Digital Singnal ?

Its very unlikely, why do you ask?

Thinking about switching from Dishnetwork to Voom. What are your opinions of Voom?

Hi All,

I can highly reccommend the HD-DVR from TWC, we've had ours a few weeks now it is great being able to record the HD programs. Just waiting for our upgrade so we can get more HD channels, part of our neighborhood is complete. Looking forward to getting more....

Diana, if your reading this, what size HD is in the 8000HD, I know HD programs take up more space, but once we had recorded all the colonial house shows on pbs, we're showing 12% free.....


Paul

Its 160 - you can get 20 hours HD or 80 hours SC - a mix will give you something in between.

Glad your enjoying the converter!

Comcast is officially launching CINEMAX-HD on Channel 177 today.

Diana: Thanks for your info on the 8000HD. I'm looking forward to someday getting my hands on one. Will make those diaper changes a little bit less painful knowing I might not miss a goal or touchdown!

Great news on COMCAST and Cinemax HD. Will tune in as soon as I get home. More to come from COMCAST ????
rick

I was flipping through the channels and noticed Cinemax HD on 177 but they aren't showing anything yet . I had to call comcast because I'm having trouble with the sound clipping on my box and asked the CSR about it . He said they aren't showing anything on them yet and said he doesn't know when they will .

Well they started shwoing HD programming on Cinemax HD today . It looked great !

Agreed CHAMBER last night was perfect, and 5.1 as well. Thanks COMCAST !!
rick

Diana,

Any news on getting ABC and NBC in HD in Summerville TWC... I finally have my upgrade completed and have INHD and HDnet, just missing the other locals, and would like to do away with my ota box....

Paul

Originally posted by Paul_J2
Diana,

Any news on getting ABC and NBC in HD in Summerville TWC... I finally have my upgrade completed and have INHD and HDnet, just missing the other locals, and would like to do away with my ota box....

Paul


We are in negotiations to add the channels. I cannot speculate on a date when the executed deal will be done.

Has anyone noticed comcast channel 172 ? It's showing the Braves batting practice right now in HD . It's just a fixed camera behind home plate .

Originally posted by JeffD
Has anyone noticed comcast channel 172 ? It's showing the Braves batting practice right now in HD . It's just a fixed camera behind home plate .

I just noticed it and came on here to post.
The guide said BRVHD and there was a test pattern. I thought at first it was BravoHD but then it showed the Braves field. They were testing out the graphics and it had the Turner South logo. I checked Turner South on ch 28 and it shows Braves at 7:30. I guess Comcast got the rights to show home Braves games in HD when they added Turner South.

-brian

Noticed it also. I just finished an e-mail to COMCAST about it so maybe I'll have some more information early next week.

I enjoyed that "raw" behind the scenes stuff where you watch the guy spray paint home plate.

I don't know if it's BRAVOHD or TNT-HD. But it's another HD option at least.

Went back after the game was over and the screen just indicated "Braves in HD"

Same thing this morning. I think you're right Weezer.

Either way it's an added bonus the more HD the better !

The focus issues on the broadcasts of the hockey and basketball are not network related. Please contact Channel 4 about changing their equipment. There's a link in HDTV/Programming/ area on the thread about Game 1 of the NBA that describes the problem in detail.

I can't do it right now, sorry.

I noticed this focus issue and here is a post which explains it. I will forward this to someone at ABC here, but I don't know if they will read it since I have never gotten a response in the past. Here is the link:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=3802384#post3802384

Here is a summary of the discussion:


NOTE to the people that had the problem with the picture, graphics and all, occasionally go soft.

Your local station may be using a Harris Flexicoder compressor that has an incorrect setting. A problem with these exact symptoms first was noted back when ABC first did basketball a year or two ago. Back then many stations had a problem with the entire picture, graphics and all, going soft when there was a lot of action or camera flashes going off.

The picture would snap to obviously soft then gradually get crisper after a second or two. The problem was not originating with ABC, the network feed did not exhibit the problem, only some local stations on the air. ABC engineering investigated and discovered that the problem was only at stations that used the Harris Flexicoder. There is a Flexicoder setup parameter that allows the unit to automatically reduce the picture resolution if it has more information to code than it can handle at the bit rate it is set for. This much more likely to occur during live action sports than a film based program.

Back then, ABC notified all stations about the problem and the suggested solution was to change the Flexicoder’s configuration to set the filtering parameter to a value that provided the least filtering possible and disabled the automatic function. I do not remember what the suggested setting was but I will contact engineering at ABC Monday and suggest that they re-issue the notice to all stations. We have the NBA finals coming up!

Rory at
KXTV Sacramento

Thanks Andrew, I was in the middle of something and couldn't get to it.

BUT... I did write WCIV with the information and the chief engineer thanked me for the heads up and made the configuration change. Keep your eye on the game and see if you see a difference. If you do and it's better, please write them a quick thank you.