The info on this first page was edited on March 7, 2004 ... all pricing on this first post is relevant and if the mount is no longer available I will note it on this first post... All of the info is relevant on this post.. The pics have also been updated.... The T Handle on the knee joint is actually a better one now that I do not have a pic for ... But is one that is from a USA company made in a division in Italy..

This is a pic of a mount for an X1 I had made up for a client. NOTE ..the original pic was revised to the updated and now updated again... The original and updates were downloaded in excess of 20000 times.. I had an incredulous response to make some up and received permission from AVS to offer to do up some runs.. and offer it as a special to AVS members. You will note that the mount fits flush to a wall and can be adjusted both horizontally and vertically. It can also be used as a ceiling mount with drops of 4.5", 10", or 15.5" to the projector...(with some variability in vertical height.. I am also making up plates now for people to swap-out and also offer the same configuration mount for the other projectors I endorse.

Currently on run 15.. as of March 04... In the interest of brevity I am updating to the most recent pic here so you do not have to go through all of the pages.. One of the most recent changes is the the handles on the knee joint ... the black powder coat.. and snap caps for concealing the hardware.. that goes into the Ceiling/Wall plate.



The plates are cnc laser cut including the holes to be exact to the projector. The knee joint pieces are cnc machined and drilled. The finish is a powder coat finish from one of the most respected companies in the business that do work for Honda, the finish is a Black Satin ... is actually the same finish used on the Hummer2 Rocker panel.. by the same company that actually does the finish for Hummer. I also make up special drops to accomodate special circumstances.. and the extentions match the finish of the projector exactly. All the hardware is included...

I received a patent for it so it cannot be reproduced commercially except as a DIY project. ie one for yourself. Purpose of patent was only to drive some R&D funds into business. I have had quite a few requests about this mount and have received permission from AVS to see if anyone had some interest in having some made up. I am getting some other hole dimensions so it can be adapted for other popular projectors. Since I will make up about 50 to start I couldnt use my client to make up all 50 as a favor.... and to keep the price down I have to use a source that can cut the plate and bend the mounting plate to the wall/ceiling (gives it more strength) I have some pricing for some of the costs, and shipping and packaging and I am still trying to find an optimal qty to make that will drive the cost of this mount down as far as it can.

The point of the edit was to update that I did get permission from AVS and that to make it cost effective I have to produce more than a few up.

I have made up 160 of these.... In the interest of brevity I will include the pricing for these here on the first post. There is numerous posts with pics to follow and other information on installation etc. To purchase I use paypal.... It is a business paypal account so you can use credit cards etc...

US pricing .... $83.00US which includes shipping by Fedex. All the hardware and allen wrench. There is no taxes, duty, over 1700 shipments have cleared without being held at customs for even 1 day.

Canadian pricing ....$98.80 CDN. which includes shipping by Fedex ground, hardware, allen wrench, and all taxes.

email to use for paypal...... robert@digital-visions.ca

Make sure you include your shipping address, and PHONE NUMBER for Fedex.

If you want any other items to be included like the X1 vga to component adapter... 12US.... or 15 CDN.. If you want this please specify and add it to your information... no additional charge for shipping. Svideo adapters to component are usually always in stock as well... and yes these are the original Infocus adapters.

I also have excellent pricing for the X1 itself... you can email me for pricing. I then ship out the X1 and package the mount in the carrying case for the X1. I only ship the X1 by Fedex Priority insured.

I also have done several shipments to Europe, New Zealand, Australia. But pricing is subject to shipping charges.

here is another view

The first pic was a wall mount ..

This one shows ceiling type config with side to side adjustment

horizontal is on the ceiling plate or the projector plate..

Note this pic was revised on March 04 to display the most current version and so people that have not had a chance to see it will not have to scramble throughout the entire post.

Robert

another view Vertical adjustment

Again this pic was revised to include the most recent ..

Of course you can change the orientation to make any adjustment ..

Since some of the pics have been revised some of the posts will not reflect the original pics... Some of the first few posts also will not make any sense... relative to the pic..

The original pic download count was over 20000.. But it will be easier and more relevant to have the most recent pics at the front end...

I may just scrap out the entire post at some point to just have one post.. for all the models I do..

That is a great mount. What were the pieces used and how much?

My client did it to my specs. I gave it to a customer that had some serious room restrictions.

where did ya get that triangle at?

The triangle was easily cut out of .080 thick steel

Easy for you to say! :p
Not that I'm going to make one myself, but cut out using what? A Dremel?
Nice work, but you're leaving out a lot of interesting detail like where you had to get the parts and how much it all cost. I guess technically that's against forum rules, but I would think a DIY project would be an exception.

I'm moving this thread to the Home Theater Builder area!

Roto...

If it isnt obvious what was used to make the mount then I would recommend getting one made.

If anyone is interested I could attempt to get permission from the site to do a run of them. I would do this at cost and get my machine shop client to make up a bunch as a favor.

Would have to be some qty to bother the people at this site.

I would be into getting one.. depending on what the cost would be of course!

It would be at a cost you could not refuse. One down ..... anyone else?

If it could be adapted for a ceiling mount I would use one also.
I need something that will alow for maximum clearance of 4-6 inches.

It could easily be adapted for a ceiling mount. I could also use an alternate to the bolt and make it with a significant enough id to allow wires to pass through it.

What would you prefer?

After looking at the pics again I see that it could be used as a ceiling mount with no modifications except the rod length. Very nice.
So what is the turn around time for one with a short rod? No need to pass wires yet.

Does the wall mount need to be attached to wall stud? or would anchor screws be strong enough?

simonduz

the turn around time will be short ....... but I am not going to make them unless there is a demand to make them. One offs will be too much money.

The wall mount into a stud is ideal.... but anchor screws would be strong enough..... my suggestion would be to use the anchor screws that flare into the drywall......

I would be interested in a ceiling mount version. I have a Ducane version of the X1 (identical except for badges and 5 yr parts/labor) on order.

Will you offer someting like this for panasonic PT-L300u? (celing mount)

If yes, PM me with cost, and I'll be interested...

MS.

what are the measurements for the holes in the pann ptl300u

maybe this could work for alot of people with various projectors and all I would do is drill the projector mounting bracket last.

I am interested in one for my X-1

If I get 5 more people interested I will get my cad drawings of it modified, and see about a run of about 50. Like I said maybe I could get them made up and just drill the projector mounting bracket bracket holes in last.

Hi, I am also interested.

I am in Belgium.
But I hope the price is very interesting, because I have Internaltional shipping costs on top...

Hope is very solid!

I'd be interested. How much you expecting these will cost?

The cost will be totally dependent on the qty I will run. I am trying to quantify about 50 so that it is worthwhile to make a template and cut out a few. The bending requires the use of a brake. The bolt requires machining and a drilling operation. My belief is that if any of the operations take less than an hour we will be charged a full hour for the machine. I am trying to get the setup time to be spread against multiple units.

I was going to paint these white....... What do you think?

Anyone that wishes to inquire about this mount and wishes more info. Please send a PM.

Yes, I would be interested in one. Please send details! My projector comes monday!

A ceiling mount I think, though is there any reason I couldn't ceiling mount your existing design? It looks very good, and clean, I am ready to buy it ASAP!

I would need a 24" shaft for my vaulted open beam ceiling. I think I could mount an extension rod and a coupling to your existing design. Does the projector just hang level on gravity or can it be levelled a bit?

White is fine for me, and probably for most ceilings and walls. The projector bracket doesn't actually show, though so it doesn't really matter, does it?

Regards,

Matt

i would need a ceiling mount also for my x1. i think the one shown could easily be used as a ceiling mount.

although i feel really weird to agreeing to buy something without even a ballpark figure on how much it is going to cost.

I am making an adjustment on the projector mount to facilitate easy dismount without having to readjust when remounting. .... To keep the price down, improved esthetics, increased strength, I am getting some pricing to get the mounting plate stamped instead of cut. The metal is tough on a saw blade and a stamped piece will look better.

To assist those that need the mount asap.... I am in the que for getting the mount plasma cut and drilled welded and bent..... still making up 50 to start. Should be no more than 2 weeks.

Will be approving the sample plasma cut mounting plates tomorrow morning. Will be much better than my first one that I used a saw.

I know the owner and he always does terrific work so I am sure that I won't be disappointed.

Sample to be modified slightly..... An alternate laser cut sample will be in Monday... Shooting for completion by next week.

thanks for keeping is posted..... i'm waiting....

You wouldnt believe the weight I had hanging on the mount for the last 2 weeks. I could mount my CRT projector onto it... no problemo.

Thanks Jay...

hey mandarax, you're from canada. excellent, i won't have to pay customs fees when i order the mount.

Originally posted by peter2679
hey mandarax, you're from canada. excellent, i won't have to pay customs fees when i order the mount.

Maybe the Mounties will deliver it for you, too, eh?

Regards,

Matt

There is no duty on anything produced in Canada....or produced in the USA.

NAFTA ... I just picked up my machining quote.... last item for pricing is the stainless steel bolt.... and the laser cut vs plasma.... lead time for machining is late next week also.....

I am going to try and ensure that I can at least pinch out a few next week to my loyalists...

I can try and match the color of the paint specifically to the X1 body color.

I have a great looking sleeve for the bolt if anyone is interested and it also looks very pro/ hi tech. Matches the color of the X1 beautifully.

I have one alternative ceiling mount that could be used to cover or go over an existing or new ceiling electrical box. Will take a pic on Monday if I get time....,

I am making the thread the same as wall or ceiling ... it works perfect for 8' ceiling....

I was asked if you could mount it on a lofted ceiling.... answer is yes.

Was asked if you could have the shorter end connected to the wall or ceiling mount.... answer is yes.

Was asked why stainless steel for the knuckle bolt.... answer... it does not rust... and believe me if you dont use the right steel it does not take much to have it start to pit... and this is one of the main adjustment points.

Will I include instructions.... answer is yes.

Will I include wall/ceiling plate screws.. ? answer is yes ... the ones with the anchor that flairs...... although I prefer people go into a stud....

I WILL have a price Monday, Tuesday latest...

Almost forgot...

Was asked if I would include proper allen wrench... answer..yes....I hate looking for these.

I will also have to source an alternate anchor screw on the weekend for US as the ones I usually use are robertson heads..... (I remember trying to adjust my ski boot heal and toe piece in Colorado once and trying to get a Robertson screw driver in the USA)

I gotta admit, even though I don't need this I'm starting to get interested. It's mainly going to depend on the price for me since I already have a bookshelf that I bought specifically for the projector and it works pretty well other than height adjustment.

Please count me in! I am interested in ordering one. Any idea on price yet, and also shipping to Canada?

Also, why would you not want to make the mount black? White is the worst colour for ambient light, and all us home theatre people try to make their rooms dark. Just a suggestion

Sorry for not stating this before...

I am not going to make it white... as a std unit. I am going to colour match the case of the X1 to the mount which will be the std color. Esthetically it will all look like one cohesive piece, the projector and the mount. Have already matched up the paint... I will offer other colors as an option... but initially will want to stay away from this as I dont wish to get bogged down at deployment... I have alot of people to send this to and wish to get them satisfied first.... and also for those people that have been waiting I will paint it ...... white ... black .... or the std..(matched to case)




Cha Cha ... I am in Canada. I will ship it anywhere.....

sounds like everything is coming along nicely.. hope to hear more soon! as of right now my X1 is sitting on top of the box is came in... hopefully this will change soon =)

Jay ...

I am doing everything humanly possible... I pick up the laser sample this afternoon. Matching paint and the primer is purchased and waiting.

exciting! keep us posted!

I'm interested; my new ht is under construction so I have a little time. My X1 will have to stay in the box for a little longer :rolleyes:

Laser sample flubbed.... will be this morning for sure.

I had a guide hole put into the mounting plate to keep the cost of welding down.

Also trying to attain an electrostatic sprayer for the paint. Using very good acrylic machine shop paint that has conductive properties.

I am doing everything I can to keep the cost below $60.00 U.S. So the electrostatic paint application may not become feasible. I have a line into the best electrostatic paint supplier...so we will see. I won't be holding up the production for this aspect of the project.

My PM file is up to 97%,,,, sorry for anyone that had not been able to get a PM in due to being full.

Instructions will be included with the mount.... No worries, anyone can install this. The projector with the mounting plate attached just slips over the stainless steel nut. No arm fatigue...

I was asked the following....

Why not have a grooves in the connection to the two assembly arms? Some mounts have this and wouldnt the properties of having better holding power?

The reason I do not like this method is due to the desire to have a dynamic adjustment. I have seen these on some of the designs on Ebay for instance and some of the "universal" designs. The machining and deburring does cost more money. Lets say you have the grooves line up and the alignment is say 1/32 of an inch out....this will translate into a substantial vertical misalignment.

I have a business account with UPS set up. I would much prefer to ship these and supply a tracking number. Shipping into the US will be dependent on the zone you live in. There is 6 zones. I will try to consolodate some info on shipping via UPS.... using std rates. Note that shipments into the USA with a declared value under $200.00 does not get held at customs....... nor is there any duty.... taxes.

Shipping to Canada will also be dependent on where you live. I am located in Ontario Canada.

Wow! If that ends up being the price I may just have to get one of those Hooterville mounts! :) Thanks for the updates

I have been following this and patiently waiting. Sounds like you are close to a finished product.
After double checking my figures with my cheap DIY wood mount, I still need a mount that will hang a max. of 4 - 4.5 inches from the ceiling.

What are your prefered contact methods?

i was hoping for under 100us but i think it will be closer to 100can! should be any day now right!

Ok...

Got the plasma and laser samples.... laser cut was much better, as was the plate. Beautiful cut,,, Order placed for laser....... Friday delivery.

Machining will be complete early next week.

Boxes and packaging..... pulling all the stops..... but will be early next week. I won't wait for this to be complete...

I have a good surprise.... I am getting these powder coated... grey to match the X1 case.... It will be 3 additional days to wait.... but it will be worth it. Powder coating on metal is the way to go... it won't get scratched. It looks terrific... and pro all the way. I had to pull some favors to get this... and although it does add to the cost it is well worth it.
Also I didnt wish to manually chemically treat the metal, and use cleaners before the paint was finished. I have to keep my brain cells intact.

The price will be $59.00 U.S. plus shipping. Shipping will be actual shipping. Again I prefer to use something with a tracking number but if you are in no hurry I can accomodate you as well..

Thanks for your interest..... and thank AVS for allowing this

This has been great fun.

contact...... email - d1g1talv1s10ns@netscape.net

use the copy/paste on the email..(all the I's and O's are.. ones and zeros)

thanks again...

Is everyone really buying this guys crap? Sounds to me like a rip -off artist.

good luck to all...

I'm buying it. I'm in.

Originally posted by suryasoft
Is everyone really buying this guys crap? Sounds to me like a rip -off artist.

good luck to all... Yes, I am buying it, too. I am curious, though: What basis do you have for this comment? Mandarax has been on the forum for two years and has hundreds of posts. I see you (like me) are working on your second month!

He has kept excellent communication with folks who are interested in the project, has a unique design, has offered pictures, attractive pricing and options. If he were a scam artist, he would have been taking orders under an assumed name months ago.

If you have some information to the contrary, post it, otherwise, keep unsubstantiated allegations where they belong.

Regards,

Matt

"Will you offer someting like this for panasonic PT-L300u? (celing mount)

If yes, PM me with cost, and I'll be interested...

MS." This was suryasoft on page one of this post.....

suryasoft... you had a change of heart I see. Who is the con artist?

If anyone is concerned that I am a rip off artist... for $59.00 ...(wow what a draw on the imagination) send me an email and I can satisfy any question you have regarding being legitimate.

suryasoft is entitled to any opinion he may have.... I dont want the energy of this thread to gravitate to a level where it is being filled with suryasoft flame material. I honestly could care less about the comments he made.

Lets move on.... none of this has anything to do with luck.

Rob

Com'on guys do it yourself I made my own just for five bucks, with recycled material. by the way I live in Mexico

Sorry, but I have been following this post for a while. I even posted in it first. I just wonder why someone will go through the trouble of doing this for no profit (atleast that's what he posted earlier).

Mandrax, if your intentions are right, then I am really sorry man...I mean it. I have gotten ripped off way too many times ( not here though).

Good luck to all of you guys.

MS.

By the way Mandrax, you never did reply to my post...

Just to make it clear.

Just an fyi to everyone on this thread. I visited Rob last night and demoe'd an X1 in his living room. The picture (was watching Spiderman) looked fantastic on a green wall - about the worst setting possible. I saw no rainbows so this projector is definitely on my wish list. Rob also showed me his prototypes of the X1 mount. He is on the level in my opinion. Can't wait for the projector shootout!!

John

Suryasoft ...

I did send you a PM.... advised that I was planning to do a the 300U. I stated that I would not issue pricing until I was finished. Also I do not wish to offer promises for this until it is finalized that I will actually do it. The exact words I used was that I did not wish to make promises and issue pricing and lose credibility. Don't know why you are taking your time and energy in an effort to disparage my reputation....

Due to the very small offset on this projector I have drawn up some alternate solutions that may suit the Z1 and Pan 300 projector.

If you can make your own design .... have a powder coat finish to match the case, custom machined and deburred, plated bolt, laser cut plate and drilled to exact size, welded, stainless bolt, packaging ... etc etc... by all means make your own design and do it and produce it and sell it and make it cheaper..... I offered info if you want to make "one" for yourself. geez you really cant please some people eh. These arent being made in my basement.... I have to pay companies to do this work.

Johnny... thx... It was a pleasure meeting your wife and you and congrats on not seeing rainbows....I don't think anyone really takes these guys serious... not sure what their agenda is. The samples that Johnny saw were the plasma cuts that were rejected. The laser sample is with the powder coat paint company.

The first run is over half accounted for. I made up a bunch for customers.

There's too much information here to really think this is a scam for $60 a pop. I doubt many people even really considered that as a possibility. I might go in on this as soon as I see a picture of a finished one. I'm curious to see how different it looks from the picture you started this thread with.

Chill out. I may have mis-spoken, for that I appologize.

btw, if you ever do one for L300u, let me know.

Roto... I will have a pic... no problem...

Some people have asked what powder coat finish is... I will try and get some info or website you can go to see this paint process.

Also will be including two toggle bolts for wall or ceiling mount. The kind that have the wings that flair. Sorry if I already stated this ... someone was asking..

suryasoft... no problem at all... didnt affect me in the least.... and I will be doing the 300u... depends how much time the shoot out sucks from my time.

I'll be interested in one for the 300u as well.

Will it be longer to account for the 3-4inch offset of the 300u? (will likely need to hang down about 9-12 inches or so)

I will start a thread on the 300u when I am finished that project... I already have my relationships with the businesses set up so a roll out will be much faster. I have a few other great ideas for these mounts..... including some with hydraulics that automatically install into the ceiling, and a few other goodies...... not sure if there is a market for it tho...

I am busting my balls to get up into the alliance members section of this forum. Another 6000 units and I am there baby.

Back to the X1...

I missed the Fed Ex sales rep today...

Apparently FEDEX may take a COD shipment into the USA now. I am going to discuss this with the rep tomorrow and see if I can squeeze him for some better rates. My location is close to two FedEX depots and I think I can get a single US rate for anywhere in the USA...excluding Alaska and Hawaii, and have the rate dropped and speed up the que time if these are dropped off at the Fed Ex depot.

I am still waiting on a call from PAYPAL... to see if they cleaned up their problems......and get some rates...

I am not sure if I missed it somewhere, but what is the "drop" distance from the ceiling mount to the top of the projector assuming a ceiling installation? Will it be adjustable or can you get different length poles?

Thanks,

Craig

Great NEWS......

close your eyes and picture me with my arms in the air with some rocky music playing in the background...and some steel brackets in my hand singin... "feelin good now"

The laser cut plates are complete a day early... have to leave to get them to the welding fab shop....

Machine shop called this AM and they have all the hardware and are still on track for machining....

Looking very good for next week.

zippitty do dah...

This was Gators PM... In the interest of brevity I will answer here.

"Actually, I just posted this question on the forum, then I saw that you wanted a PM for questions.

What is the drop distance from the ceiling mount to the top of the projector? My theater room has a dropped acoustical tile ceiling with the wood beams and subfloor about 12 inches above the ceiling tiles. I would like to mount the ceiling plate to the wood beams above and have the pole/arm drop down through the tiles. Is it adjustable or would varying length poles/arms be available?

Finally, thanks for doing this. Hopefully you will make a little bit of profit to make it worth your while! "


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Response...

It is difficult to answer for a specific instalation with a precise answer without dimensions.... Do not forget to account for the offset when the projector is ceiling mounted... Sorry if this sounds obvious...

The machine bolt that goes into the mounting plate is 8" ... the adjustable knuckle joint is 2.5"... If I understand correctly you wish to install the mounting plate up into the joists or on the joist....which is inches/or feet above the ceiling height...

Here is what I would do... bear with me because I have to go in a minute... Measure the additional length you require. Add a tapered plated threaded rod to extend the drop.... add on to this a 2" nut and thread it over the extended threaded rod 1" or half way... Take the machined 8" rod and screw it into the 2" bolt 1/2 way....

I can supply these as an option if people want them. It will only be a small amount more,,, Just parts.... Cost is in the powder coat... machining..cutting. These will not obviously be powder coated.

To answer someone elses question ...

Lofted ceilings.... can you change the configuration so that the smaller machined knuckle bracket is attached to the ceiling mounting plate...

Answer ..... sure.

Gotta go

Mandarax: Looking forward to the mount. One question though: Is Hooterville a real place and does it live up to its name?

Hey Mandarax

Sorry about doubting you earlier man. now back to the business:

I think if you can come up with a hydraulics version of the mount for PT-L300U (as my ceiling is low and I dont want to bump my head in it, it will be good. I think there will be a good market.

Cha Cha...

Hooterville..... actually it is Roseville, Ontario... I built a house out here a few years ago due to its proximity to the 401 and easy access to just about anywhere. For some reason people do seem to be breeding more females here tho ... I think it is about 8 females to 1 male. I just started calling it Hooterville due to some of the similarities. It was actually quite an industrious little town in 1835... Not sure if the barbers name is floyd in the neighboring town. I only originally moved out here to party for a couple of years.... Then strangely enough I too ended up with two girls of my own.... no they are not named billy and bobby joe.... but strangely enough my name is rob and my brothers name is bill.... and my dads name is Joe... (lol if I would have thought of this before today my daughters would now have freaky names) The party ended as you make expect. My daughters like it too much out here to move back to the city...and to tell you the truth due to the proximity to the 401 I can get to Toronto faster than people that live in Kitchener, or Cambridge. The area is known as the golden triangle... The best place in North America to do business. At present possibly the worst for home theater.

surysoft.... Already said no problem... I quite a few years experience with hydraulic manufacturing companies......and have some terrific ideas... I am going with the mainstream stuff first tho...

The samples I picked up were bang on alignment.... holes are perfect. I was hoping to provide a digital video of the mounting plates being cut with this impressive technology. See your mount getting made in motion. Maybe for another run I could try and get some time to do this. The Powder Coating procedure is also very interesting to see as well.

Still waiting for FedEX .. I was gone for a while but no messages from FedEX ... thought they would be all over me like a fat kid on a smartie....
On the phone now. PS I am trying to see if I can get some special rates for the people in Hawaii, Europe,...... Yukon will be a stretch...

Damn there was a message... while I was out .. will try and get this info.

I did find out that COD is only available for ground shipments with Fed Ex.. for international shipments, You still get a tracking number tho.

No worries I will make it as easy as humanly possible.

I have negotiated rates with Fed Ex that I will pass along.

I can make a couple of special rates into europe. Unfortunately this will require time as I have to negotiate on a per incidence basis. No problem for the first couple.

Made a fixture for welding.

Machine shop on schedule ...
Will post shipping by Sunday.

Thanks again for all your support, PM's, emails and kind words, and especially to AVS for making it all possible. Great fun.

rob

Sorry again for PM list getting full.

I am saving information and unloading it.

I am still on track for complete rates including shipping.... to all destinations for tomorrow.

To the person in Norway... I did negotiate a special rate...

Still working on a easy to swallow rate for Hawaii.... my offer is still good tho to come and deliver it in person with a return ticket.

Send email.... d1g1talv1s10ns@netscape.net

Have the shipping to Canadian locations worked out...

Also have the US address rates worked out. I am going to be a day late. Sorry I have an idea that may save some money, ship faster, and provide a US address to ship from. I wont delay shipment for this tho... and I may drive the first shipment down myself with the first orders. Depends on timing.

Will also have multiple secure payment options, before shipping.

Thanks

Sorry again for the delay...

This should be easy enough...

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USA Pricing
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Price for all shipments to the USA.... any state except Hawaii and Alaska

$68.00 U.S dollars includes shipping by Fedex ground. Tracking #provided
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Canadian Pricing
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Canadian Pricing is $98.80 Canadian dollars.

This includes Fed Ex ground shipping. GST, PST in Ontario, HST in the three harmonized provinces.

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The machining was started today... The machine shop was 75 % complete

Welding will commence tomorrow... Powder coat... on Thursday.

Everything still on target...
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All the hardware is purchased

I get some PM's about some of the same things so I will try and answer them here.
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Q)Does the mount have adjustments or is it just like one of the pipe type hang down solutions?

A) The Mount does adjust. The knee joint is made by the cnc milled bolt. The cnc machine also drills a hole through the knee joint. A stainless steel bolt joins the two knee joints. You tighten it into desired position with the supplied allen wrench and the supplied stainless steel nyloc nut. Nyloc nut is used to lock the joint into place and avoid any shifting moving once in desired position. The cnc machined bolts into both mounting plates is also adjustable.. they do not have to be threaded in all the way. and the machined bolt from the mounting plate... is locked in place with a lock nut.
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Q. What is the drop? From Ceiling...

A . About 10.5 inches depending on your adjustment.
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Q. I have a very very low ceiling can I use two of the 2.5" machined plated bolt instead of the one 8" and one 2.5" knee joint.

A. Sure ... no problem... and no extra charge as long as you specify.

Note if you have a high ceiling you can get 2 ... 8" machined bolts to make the drop 16"

So all the standard pricing combinations are 5" drop, 10.5" drop, and 16" drop.

Note do not forget to consider offset... Some do not take this into consideration.
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Q) Will it be difficult to mount the bracket with the projector attached.

A) No ... Unlike some others where you have to make some allowance for arm fatigue or other circus like stunt to mount... you simply take the X1 with the mounting plate attached and the cnc machine bolt that forms the knee joint and slide it into the stainless steel pin bolt.. It will free hang in this position. You can then just make the alignment and tighten.

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Q ) What gauge steel...

A) 14 gauge CR steel.

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Q) Will I have to drill holes into the steel mounting plate.

A) No the laser cut the steel plates... using a cnc program, at the same time it drilled the holes for the projector mounting plate in precisely the exact location. Zero chance for error... and all perfectly aligned to the mounting holes of the projector. If you get one that is misaligned send it back and I will give you your money back and a free replacement.
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Q) I only have a narrow room and would have to mount this on the wall.. Will this mount work on the wall.

A) It will work excellent on the wall... absolutely zero problem.
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Any chance of making these for other projectors.....say the Z90?

Can you make for the Sony HS10?

Can you show a picture of the finalized production model?

Thanks.

I am going to roll em out based on popular models... Due to the processes I have to make alot.... The machinery used to make this ... a cnc laser machine,,, cnc milling machine, powder coat process for preparing the metal, and applying the finish is not practical for a one off. I will be doing one for the HS10... but I will have to spend some time calculating what the standards should be for the average ceiling heights, I actually have the projector mounting plate already completed in AutoCad. for the HS10.

I will be definitely showing a pic of the finished product.

The machining and welding are on time and now COMPLETE and in my hands.

Rob

so when do you think it will be ready?
I can't wait... just tell me when/where/how to send $.

Hi Jay...

I am expecting that they will be complete on Friday. They go in for powder coat on Thursday... They have the powder coat color.. They go into a bathing process first. It will just be a matter of how thick the powder coat will be and impact on the threads... masking if necessary ...thats required,,,if it impacts on the threads... I would prefer if the entire unit had the same coating.... This will require that I make up the two assemblies with the cnc bolt threaded so they can be hung.... I am expecting that the coating may actually assist being set at 1/1000 of an inch. These guys are pro's you should see some of the stuff they do. I am going to have to take a hard look at this process and make it more efficient if possible. Even tho it will be the best, most durable finish the assembly time, and dissassembly time for packaging make it difficult to break even. I will worry about that on a next run. I expect people will like the fact that these are built with a exponential amount of overkill and not want to hang thier pride and joy on a unadjustable pipe, or other pieces of commercial junk that i wouldnt trust with a slide projector.

I measured the average drop to be approximately 10" from the top of the bottom of the mounting plate.

I will be offering some options in the future... I have some real great ideas for future projects, and other mounts for the products I carry.

In an effort to not lose any credibility I have been sticking around to make sure I can expedite all the suppliers through the chain and make them aware of expectations... This has been easy due to the fact that some are clients and they expect and get the same from me.

I am looking into this for the long term. I am seeking a good US location for facilitating orders. Due to the fact that I wanted to expedite I have yet to be able to make a trip into the USA. I may end up going through distribution channels to save me time... The cost of doing individual orders is enormous. I apologize for not having the options for payment already set up. If you email me at d1g1talv1s10ns@netscape.net I can make an arrangement with you that is secure in the interim.

Thanks again for your interest and making this a fun project.

may have some better options tomorrow for payment... depends on how long I have to stay at the powder coat finish supplier to check out samples.

for those who are wondering about my concern regarding paypal... check out this site .. www.paypalwarning.com or www.paypalsucks.com. I was going to use this as an interim for those who wanted it... but I you will see yourself what it is like if you try and phone them... the only number I received to date was a fax number... and that does suck..

Have a few more options...... Will ship on a first come first serve basis...Then off to ebay I guess to see what these babies will do on an open market. You wouldnt believe some of the junk on there.

I am doing the Z1 and pan300 next... I just got the sharp 20x and I may do that one too if the shut off problems associated with that one is resolved.

If you're selling on ebay, you might as well use paypal. It's the same company. They process tens of thousands of transactions every day. I have never had a problem as a merchant or buyer using Paypal. Some do, but most people can't operate a VCR. I followed your links to those alarmist sites and read a lot of crud, broken links and screaming 25 point type legal actions that turned out to be companies arguing about who invented Paypals recurring billing.

Regards,

Matt

I personally inspected each of mounting brackets. The welding job was unbelievable. I personally cleaned and checked each of these to the wee hours of last evening. It turned out to be a complete waste of time. No welding splatter on any of the pieces. The prototype was welded by a rookie. These are welded by a person with military welding certificates......and a Canadian Welding certificate.

Powder Coat Finish.. I sent them in this morning . We did some tweeking and had a meeting, re methods of getting a complete finish on the entire piece. We worked out a method to finish the entire mount. After about an hour and a half we came up with a method to powder coat the entire mount.... including the cnc machined knee joint pieces. They have to then be unassembled for shipping.... and we arrived at the parameters to keep them from getting messed up and prepackaging.

They will be done tomorrow afternoon. I will take some pics and post late tomorrow or early Saturday ( have to go to my daughters talent show ).


memobug... I could tell you a few nightmare stories about this method,,, and ebay... I will just use this to bleed off any that do not sell here quick enough so at least I get my own money back out of it quick enough to move on to the next projects.

I have set up to go to the USA to establish a physical prescense, address, bank accounts, etc etc. I just have to find some time to do all that is required and physically look at the locations and facilities.

In lieu of not doing this yet I will be setting up a paypal facility tomorrow. I am not worried about the paypal shortcomings with a transaction like this one with AVS members. The one I have set up now is only a personal paypal account. Have to set up a business one to enable people to use credit cards...

I had a few that I was making up special for people that had extreme drops. ie...17' ceilings to 12' ceilings.

Also to the people that are going to wall mount speakers with these... I will try and take a pic at some point with what we discussed for having them sit on the same mount, and also hanging from the mount...either way is just fine.... I could put my veritas 2.8's on these with no problem.. I still want to do some testing on this application tho. I will be personally using these for my non veritas theater set up. No floor vibration.....

To the people that want an enclosure for dvd, satelite to twin beside this mount..... ceiling or wall... I have the design,,,, just have to get price for the bending. Trying to see how much less vibration would be on the floor vs the ceiling. Just seeing if I can get my company logo scribed into the case with the laser.

So again for you paypal fans... no sweat ........ i will set it up tomorrow.
It will be set up with Visa Mastercard, whatever... I am just going to have to set up with a new credit card limit in my name that only has a spending limit of $100.00.

Rob ..

Thanks for your interest in this project.

One more day...

I just received a pm... and so that I do not have to answer this again I will answer it here...

Question ...

"Give me an idea of what you want for the mount pieces only, I can weld the nut on the plate and wall plate. "


Answer.... Some of the reasoning for saying definitively NO.

I do not sell this in pieces....sorry. This design is now classed legally as intellectual property. If you can make one for your "own personal use" complete then by all means do it. There was time and money put into the design. The company that welded these had a person with several prominent welding certificates. Why would I trust and risk anyone I do not know to weld these up? I am ordering parts for the entire assembly in quantity to make this an economical design build product Do not construe economical to mean cheap or made in someones garage. If you know a mechanical engineer, ask them what the load bearing would be on a 5/8 machined bolt welded to a 14 gauge plate. I would put this design against any commercial design, to not fail. Further how many commercial designs powder coat their product. Do not take my word for it... call and ask them what the minimum cost is for doing any part.

While your at it ask a cnc laser cutter, cnc machine shop, welding shop what the minimum is..

To get the cost down I had to do all of the design in Cad.
I had to write the cnc milling program.
Had to make a welding fixture.
Buy bulk..with the idea I will be using up the balance in the future.

These will be totally complete tomorrow.

Thankyou for patience and understanding some of my reasoning for not providing incomplete sub assemblies. Theres more but I already ranted too long.

Rob

I got em.... and they are great.

What you will note that is different from the original..

1) the bolts going into the projector plate into the projector are the exact size....(no spacer nuts)

2) the finish including the machined bolts are coated all in powder coat finish vs... spray bomb.

3) there is three welds into the projector mounting plate instead of two
also the welds are alot cleaner looking.

Side note you will note that in the pic the label underside looks the same as the case..... If you flip your X1 over you will note that they are a completely different shade of grey... (A good case in point about not trusting screenshots here)

Anyway here come a few pics from different angles...

another pic..

and another... I will get better ones when I get a chance..

and another one....

and the last one... ..

these are just to show the adjustments.

I noticed you dropped the two stiffening ears on the wallmount from the previous design? I had been thinking about punching a hole for the wire harness there. I'll need to plan again.

The powdercoat looks good, but I preferred white.

Regards,

Matt

Hi Matt..

The ears looked wierd...... and after doing some load testing it was just ridiculas to put them on. The way it is, I could stack multiple X1's from ceiling to floor with no bending, or if wall mounting from mount to floor with zero flexing. I may use a friends cosmos program to illustrate this in the future.

The color in a digital photogragh looks off a bit... If you look at the bottom of the X1 on the label it is a replicant of that color. I will post at a reasonable time what I am going to use for extention pieces. When I originally saw this material... I was going to use it for running wire to the X1. As it is flexible. Mississippi man is using it for a High ceiling drop and maybe you can also see it in that application.

The minimum order cost for powder coating is 450.00. Thats if you do one or a qty run. I showed these to a bunch of people and no one picked the spray bomb white finish. If you take a regular say spray bomb finish on steel and scratch it..even very lightly ...its toast.

pics of parts on powder coat racks.

Here is the other side.

Mandarax,
I have a low ceiling and would want to mount it as close to the ceiling as possible and from the ceiling. Are there any other options but the long pipe?
Richard

how low is your ceiling...? This isnt a pipe... It is a cnc machined piece of solid 5/8 steel. If you mount it on the wall you can have any drop you want. If you want to have the knee joint with (2) 2.5" pieces that will produce a drop of aproximately 4.5" (you do not have to turn in the cnc machined steel knee joint pieces all the way) the additional 5/8 bolt will lock in your adjustment for horizontal adjustment. The knee joint allows you to make a vertical adjustment.

This isnt some tiny machine shop or build in a garage operation.

The laser cutter to cut the parts, the cnc machine to mill the knee joint, the powder coat paint system to prepare the part, apply the powder coat finish, were done on full production machinery costing in excess of 1 million dollars.

The cuts are perfect, the holes are perfect, the welding is done by a person with several certificates in welding, the powder coat finish is done with a specialty coating operation that finishes parts for Honda, the Hummer, to name a couple.

Ok the paypal account is set up....for those that want to use it. The paypal account is a business account so you can use your Visa/Mastercard.

The email account to use is

d1g1talv1s10ns@netscape.net
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Repeat on the pricing....

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There is no duty or brokerage fees.

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$98.80 Cdn. Includes shipping by UPS or Fedex ground

For Ontario this includes GST and PST. For HST provinces (NS NB and NFld) this includes HST

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Mark me down as a buyer! I need three to start.

No, make that five.

Oh Hell, just keep makin' 'em for me.

Ahh someone that appreciates that soon these will be as indispensable as duct tape.

Ken.... I will be calling you on Monday. I am not sure how many I should keep to go with the X1's I sell.

I can see from the pics that's it's beautifully made. My ceiling is 7 feet high (old house). Room too long to be able to mount on the back wall so I would have to mount on the ceiling. I'm not sure from the pics if this is possible unless the 5/8" steel rod and the knee joint are removable and the projector mount can be attached directly to the wall mount. But I'm looking forward to seeing it at the shootout.
In any case, I would certainly recommend it to anyone with an X1 who can use a wall mount.
Regards,
Richard

You'll be getting my money from Paypal any minute now. Thank you for making a nice looking and practical product.
RC Smith aka C5Guy

Hi rgs..

here comes the beauty of the genius behind this mount... Not only is it built to be used for the projection mount and double for hanging your sportscar or motorcycle off the ceiling or wall but was designed for the X1 ..

Lets take some very standard situations...

Ceiling mount...

Here is some of the math lets take a typical 4:3 screen and a very typical room size of height of 8 feet... Further take a standard 80" wide by 60" high , (100 inch diagonal) 4:3 application... For this your projector to be about in the center of its min/max postion away from the screen will be this distance back from the screen.... 13' 10.5" ...... or 166.5 inches away. The range for the X1 to do a 100" diagonal is 12.6' to 15.133'

Ok...

The standard configuration which drops an average of about 10" This can be adjusted a bit... the threads can be backed off a bit... the other 5/8 lock nuts are there to lock it into position.

Ok let me hit you with some digits.... work with me..

96" Ceiling height ========I=======
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10" Ceiling mount _I_

6" offset...(the top of the screen....) *********
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eye level is at 40 inches typically * *
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Bottom of screen is at 20 inches ********

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When the projector is inverted ( flipped over ... like it was designed to be) The top of the lens IS NOT level with the image.... PLEASE PAY ATTENTION to this..... This is what I called the offset above which in full 4:3 is 6".

So Ceiling height ..... 96"
Drop down 10" for mount 86"
Drop another 6" for offset........80" ( top of screen)
top of screen is at 80"

Eye level is at 40 "

Bottom of screen height........... 20"

Great gooogleee wooogleee its perfect...

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Ok most people that say they have 9' ceilings usually have a sunken room it usually measures 8.5 feet... One step thats about 6 "

Here is what I do for these customers.... I allow a swaperoo for two 8" cnc machined milled and drilled bolts. So what does that get us in the example... If you guessed 15.5" you would be correct. So in this case the ceiling is typically 102 inches...

minus the mount (15.5) and the exact same offset.... of 6" ..

We get the top of screen to be at 80.5 inches....

Your still sitting on the floor so your its still perfect with your eyes @ 40.5"

Bottom of screen is at 20.5 inches...

You do have to specify that it is not standard and you want a swaperoo for 2 ( 8") cnc machined bolts.

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Ok Lets see... about some of those unfortuntate people that only have 7' drop... again... most people when they actually measure usually are at 7.5"

Usually a 8' basement with a drop ceiling... which usually isnt dropped a full foot. or you have a sunken floor and drywall.... again with a 2*12 or 2*10 floor joist it is only a 6" inch drop... not a full foot. 7" would normally be just to the top of peoples door trip... typically it is 6" above this or at 90"

taking 90" for ceiling height ...
minus the 4.5 inches for the two short threaded cnc bolts... and the offset which is the same at 6" and the top of screen is at 79.5 inches..... schoolin is done for the day kids... you can figure the rest of this one out yourself.

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Extra high ceiling.... solution...

If you have an extra high ceiling which I have encountered on a few orders, I have a piece of tubing that is the exact color of the mount. and it looks slik... Now that you have your schoolin... you can give me some exact measurements and pay for this as an option. I will quote depending on availability and sizing.
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Extra low ceiling.... Now first off you should consider this... even at 7' do the math from above... the top of the screen would be 73.5" from the floor. The bottom of the screen is at 13.5" and mid screen is 43.5" .. not really a big deal... especially in a low room.

IF it is a teenie tiny cavern and just 4.5 inch drop doesnt work... I can get some a short threaded rod to your spec'd length and just use my hi tec sleeve.

hope this helps some of you out...

Get your X1 off the coffee table...amateur looking shelves. and enclosures that are going to end up destroying your projector... let em breath the air they were designed to inhale to cool properly... Dont take the chance of it getting wacked, the dog chewing it,,,, and being interupted constantly as one of your guests leaves the room to get a cool one... look people complain about rainbows.. I think having people get interupted during a movie is far worse than a rainbow.... projectors are designed much like girlfriends, and wives.... take great care of them ...give them air... keep them safe and out of troubles way, and never forget to mount them..
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Ok lessons over for the day...
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Hope these calcs help someone

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The mathematical magical mount.....

thanks C5Guy... It was great fun making it.. Only way I can make money off it is if someone steals the design.. and starts producing them..

It also helps going into second gear with my home theater business market as a reseller.... Every product I sell will have its own special design engineered mount. When people see the overkill, precision machining, laser cutting and the best coating for steel.. and designs from someone who has obviously spent some time with the product,,, isnt just sitting at a desk and writing orders over the phone. I have to design, make and sell 6000 mounts to get up into the alliance area of this forum.. yipes.. gotta go.... package some more up..

Wow, my head kinda hurts from all that math!

I think I can do the final figuring, but I need to know what the "offset" would be with the projector inverted for a 47"x84" 16:9 screen.

The top of my screen is currently only about 15 inches below the ceiling (90" high basement dropped acoustical tile ceiling), and can not go any lower due to the height of my sub woofer and center channel. Since I do not have alot of room to work with, I think I will need the projector to mount as close as possible to the ceiling.

Also, since I have a dropped acoustical tile ceiling, is it possible to attach the mount to one of the ceiling tiles, or should I just cut a hole in one of the tiles and get the correct length extension rod(s) to reach up to the floor joists? If I do it the later way, I think I can end up with the top of the projector (actually the bottom as it is inverted) mounted almost flush with the ceiling, which should help my offset issues. Hopefully this would be OK as far as air circulation and cooling goes.

Thanks

I would definitely not expect a ceiling tile to hold up your expensive gear.

It will be so much easier to come through the ceiling tile... I provide toggle bolts...

Thanks for all the support... and all the orders... there is a screen calculator program for the X1 let me see if I can get it.. maybe that will help some that are having troubles.

sorry about that I couldnt download the infocus projector screen calculator.

but if you go here .... www.infocus.com/service/tech_library/techlibrary.asp?site_lang=1&site_region=1&

you will find what you need. this site has the program.... just click on the page to bring up the program ... then choose X1 from the dropdown box.

And remember .... when inverted the top of the reflected image on the screen is lower.... depending on the distance back...

You will note that there is a range with the zoom ring of screen sizes from a certain distance.

Rob...

Rob,

Thanks for the link. I have used that calculator to determine throw distance and it tells me the pj need to be between around 14 and 16 feet back from the screen. However, I did not see anywhere on there where it lets me know what the offset would be with the projector inverted. Am I missing something?

THIS POST REFERS ONLY TO CANADIAN ORDERS>...

Received a payment from paypal from a customer out west...
Payments not received in the amounts requested will be cancelled.

Canadian prices were set at $98.80..which includes shipping...by Fedex or UPS ground with a tracking number.

The reason I was given was that there is no provincial tax in Alberta...
Well it cost me $6 more to ship to Alberta than to Ontario. And there is Gst on the shipping.

Shipping is based on Zones..I do not get one rate for all of Canada.
check it out... then rework your digits... you will find that with a base of 81.25 CDN....what I get... that it almost works out evenly... I downloaded the rates... made a transportation...simplex tableu.. with projected locations in each zone.... and came up with a singular rate that is automatically worked backwards on my invoice. I am trying to provide an excellent service by launching these here cheaper than I would get for these elsewhere. There is no margin to negotiate rates. Please dont send "how much if I drive down from Toronto?"... I am not interested.. in binding my time. Besides that gas is at 80+ cents a litre...

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EVERY SUCCESSFUL ENTERPRISE REQUIRES THREE MEN: A DREAMER, A BUSINESS MAN, AND A SON-OF-A-BITCH-

the dreamer is going to design and build these in the best possible way using the latest technology - me

the businessman is going to use his prior skills as a vp finance to get the product to you with a price/performance that will be impossible to beat. - me again

the son-of-a-bitch is going to have to cancel your order if you modify or change pricing. - yep that would be me again.

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It was just a misunderstanding but if you use the figure of $6 for extra shipping out west and add the GST to it you will soon find out that the price I receive as a base does not change.... Doing the logistics for calculating a one fixed price everything included price saves you money because it saves my time... Trust you understand this and will send in the requested $98.80. CDN. Its an all inclusive price, taxes and shipping is included. (special rate areas. like nunavut do not apply)
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Rob

hey mandrax, I noticed you mentioned a while back doing an HS10 version. It looks like Sony is catching up on the production backlog so there will be increasing demand.

What's the status of the hs10 mount? estimated time frame? With the hs10 hole pattern, this would be a perfect mount and I'm very reluctant to pay the usurious rate that sony wants for their mount.

Phil

philba..... I will be busy shipping for a few days. I have some incredulous designs for the HS10.. They will all be suited specifically to the product, and made to fit the product characteristics... not some homogenius product that has no forsight.... Its no wonder you cant see pictures of mounts when doing alot of searching... I would be to embarrassed if I made junk and charged a couple of hundred dollars.

Give me a email at d1g1talv1s10ns@netscape.net I can fill you in some more...

It will be z1, 300 ... at the same time... then hs10.. I dont carry the sony due to their policies being a bit peculiar to a reseller. But my solution fits like a glove...so what to do...

back to shipping..

I will try and give out tracking numbers today... or first thing in the morning.

thanks for all the support.. lots of orders....

Please remember these are going by fedex or UPS...I will need your telephone number referenced on the paypal notes... I sent out email to those that have not provided it..

Sorry about the delay on those ones.

Rob

thanks rob, it sounds like it is weeks away from an hs10 solution. wish it were sooner because I want to get this taken care of asap. sounds like chief will get my money. oh well...

Even so, I think what you are doing is great.

Phil

Thanks philba ... except I stay up late doin it..

Just finished packaging #65 .... Yipes its 4 am

Chief... lol... who dis? Thought I was the chief. Really take a look at the machining of these when you get them... it brought tears to my eyes they were so beautiful...

I have a bunch more shots for you.

How Now chief... do you suppose the chief can do this?

demonstrated by future vanna white...

PS thats a 1000 lb 80"tv ... If you buy the tv... you get the bracket for free.

Just as a side note part of my patent has the use of the bracket to hold up a conventional wall mount screen. It was use # 17.. It has a alternate plate called a screen mount.... Imagine adjustable screen..... it be cool eh... yeah...

ok here is a shot of the hardware for the mount. See those toggle bolts... dont use em unless you absolutely cant get into a stud... In the absence of a stud these are the best you can get... extremely strong. There is also two stainless steel screws in the bag..

How the toggle bolts work is there is a spring on the toggles... you squeeze the toggles and and they fold in... push through the drilled hole and they flair out..... tighten and voila
If you were to by chance try them .... you would drill a 1/2 inch hole. They are 3 "

here ya go... the hardware

remember when I told you that I had some slik stuff for high ceilings...

I also use some of this for some of the wire feeds into the projector.

You will note that it matches the powder coat finish....

I cut plated threaded rod and use a connector piece to drop down from the ceiling. Some pics of some applications should be coming shortly. This stuff slides over the threaded rod... and bellisimo.... Can the chief do a 15' drop.. or any variation thereof.... me no think so..

here it is

here is another shot...showing the connector piece on top... threaded rod goes into this for the drop...

you will also note that the sleeve is flexible for cable runs..

Here is a pic of the toggle bolt.. put the screw threw the mounting plate.

screw the toggle onto the bolt... so that the wings are pointing down toward the head of the bolt when inserting into the hole. VERY IMPORTANT.. once you insert them into the holes they will spring out and make a "T" ... then just tighten them down..

Thats my hand... It doesnt show my scraped bloodied knuckles... so there is blood, sweat, and so far no tears thanks to all of your orders coming in.

Martha Stewart taught me this one to keep the costs down.

Here is a pic of the child laborer assembling your hardware..

The girls had a great idea about using the bubble wrap on the circular staircase.

Well that was refreshing ... I stayed up all night packaging... 3 hrs sleep.

I was asked this question... Can I buy the X1 projector and the mount...?
Yes.. I then package the mount in the carrying case. and ship together. I dont post prices for the X1... but to get a combined price send me a email @ this address.. d1g1talv1s10ns@netscape.net.

Thanks...

Anyone know the thread size on the X! mounting holes? Don't seem to be a standard thread. Metric maybe?

Thanks,

Mike A.

4mm metric. Really small.

The exact hardware is included..

Originally posted by mandarax
Martha Stewart taught me this one to keep the costs down.

Here is a pic of the child laborer assembling your hardware..

I thought that was Kathie Lee Gifford? And isn't the child supposed to be chained to the table leg, dressed in rags? C'mon let's do this oppression thing right!

Regards,

Matt

Memo me thinks you is right...

Actually my older daughter is having a riot doing this. She has taken all the orders to date and marked them on a map with her sister. If there is another run.. I will be just getting all the packaging done when they come off the powder coat. I wanted to see what packaging ideas I could conceive when doing all of these manually.

This instruction set is for wall mounting ...


saw that i did not answer your queston.. sounds like you are wall mounting..

take a look at one of the pics... where the wall mount plate is vertical

Ok now the 8" bolt goes into the wall plate.. the lock nut on the 8" piece locks in your diagonal adjustment. moving back from the 8" plate your next connection is the knee joint this is your vertical adjustment. Moving down from the knee joint there is a lock nut on the short machined bolt that is the horizontal adjustment ....

My recommended installation for a wall application is as follows.

1)measure your drop to the screen height...
2)Install the wall plate...
3)Thread in the 8" machined and drilled knee joint. thread it in all the way and back it off so that it looks like it will be lined up properly such that the short part of the knee joint will connect and hang down perfectly vertical... lock that in place... this can be done by hand (it wont move even with just a hand tightened adjustment.

4) take the 3 supplied bolts that go into the plate... The plate already has 3 holes that are in perfect alignment as they were cut using a laser and cnc program. Just thread these in by hand all the way. They arent going to go anywhere once threaded all the way. now thread in the short cnc machined bolt. Again thread in all the way and back off till it looks like the knee will connect with the 8" hand tighten the lock nut on the 2.5" machined knee joint down on the projector. Ok now you have the two assemblies... this would take you less than two minutes once the wall plate was fastened properly.

5) Take a minute now and marvel at the excellent quality... and say aloud ... "Mandarax.. you da man.."

6) take the stainless steel bolt and put it through the drilled hole through the knee joint.. note the perfection in the hole spacing..once all the way through... take your assembly with the projector attached and slide it over the stainless steel bolt... ..Hows it hangin..? if its hanging on a vertical plane from your eyeballing it .. you can simply let go as long and it will free hang... I recommend that you make sure that the entire thread is through the entire joint and hold the stainless steel nut in place and thread the stainless steel nut over the stain steel bolt.

7)Now I graciously supplied you with an allen wrench that fits the stainless steel bolt... I hate looking for these and I thought you might too. You will note that the stainless steel nut that fits onto the bolt can only go in one way. Thats because its nylon on one side... no slippage. You will note that the first time you thread this it is a bit tight due to going through the nylon... use an adjustable wrench and turn the bolt with the allan wrench to tighten... I wouldnt tighten it all the way at first ..just enough to get an alignment.

8)Ok now take a look at what you have done... everything look ok..? If so check out by plugging the projector in and see for yourself. make adjustments as necessary... when you are happy tighten the stainless knee joint down and make your popcorn and get a frosty beer... you will find that you will tend to look at the X1 mount more than your movies for a while due to its majestic beauty, and the fact that it only took you a few minutes to do this.. some have scratched a bald spot on their head wondering why they didnt get one when they had the chance...

8) raise your beer stein and repeat step 5.

Its brutally easy.. no worries.

Now for when you have to do a firmware update... do this ,,,take out the knee joint. Update the firmware. everthing else isnt moved align vertical adjustment only and you is done. 2 minutes.

hope this helps.

rob

Note steps 5 and 8 are optional

NOTE.... ALL ORDERS THAT CAME IN SINCE YESTERDAY ARE NOW SHIPPED AND SCANNED AT FEDEX...

all shipments have proper identification....required notations ..and extra paperwork to fly through customs. All have professional barcoding, and commercial invoices.

The fedex server was down yesterday... and due to this they personally took care of my shipment at the warehouse and ran it straight to their scanners at the depot.... amazing.... every single person in this venture pulled for me at least 140%.

the run is over 60% gone...

FYI El Dorado Hills is 32 miles east of Sacaramento if your girls cannot find it on the map (its not listed in Ecarta). Its close to the site of the Marshall gold discovery of 1849 (49ers). Anyway, hope the mount shows up soon. My wife wants the X1 off the tacky cardboard boxes since our new Berkline seats arrived!

My wife is anxiously checking the porch now (3:23 AM) for FedEx as she wants to return her couch to its rightful resting place in the center of the living room, where the X1 and its three cardboard Banker's boxes currently reside. I have never seen her so excited about a shipment of home theater equipment!

I am in the process of determining what other objects in my home can be mounted to the ceiling or walls using the patented Mandarax X1 mount, in order to free up additional floorspace. So far I have a brief list:

1. Miscellaneous A/V components, speakers and amplifiers
2. Popcorn maker
3. Six-week-old daughter

Regards,

Matt

"My X1 Mount is in Kitchener, Ontario"

I went a different route and got a tv shelf from Brookstone.
Attached it on rear wall right above head level, and put the projector and my xbox on it.
Works great. ON the Infocus X1 the keystone seems to adjust adequately for the position of the projector with no noticeable picture degrade.

brookstone tv shelf, at least $99 for both shelf and vcr shelf (if you need vcr shelf) (http://www.brookstone.com/shop/product.asp?product_code=225490&search_type=search&search_words=tv+shelf)

Wow 39.00 just for the vcr bended plate alone.. and another "at least 60 for the bent tube.. lol.. I am not asking enough for my bracket am I.

Any keystoning degrades picture quality... Guaranteed 100%. Spend the time and adjust it properly...why buy a projector and set it up to lose picture quality? Dont take my word for it.... Check it out for yourself. Having the projector properly set up means for home theater one should have eye level about 1/3 up the screen. Boardrooms are not meant to be home theaters. but look at the design of the picture in light of its uses... If you take the X1 and shoot it from a board room table height it is offset to up to allow people to view the screen and have the image up due to the layout of the room.. In a home theater environment... to have proper height you do not want to be looking up at the picture. Case in point... next time you go to the theater... where is the middle of the screen? the middle seats are a bit lower than half way up.. the only seats that look up are the ones right in the front row. It has been my experience that the middle seats are taken up first.

The keystoning/ picture quality degradation can be proven with math if anyone is interested. Most are already aware of this so I will sieze the opportunity here to tell you that in my showroom I am going to build a rack with my mount design.. picture this...... the projector sitting "level", secure and under it ... the same mount holding up my satelite receiver.. I am making a mount that is the same design with a plate to hold source components... such as dvd players... satelite... htpc.. .. the pics with the conduit that matches the mount can be used to channel wire between devices... I will then put an isolated line to the area and tie everthing together.. .. Further it is a good idea to have components that are subject to jitter like dvd players off the floor... but only if the installation is solid.. more solid the better... Take an application, any mount to be used and see if you can move it or cause vibration... If it can deflect or vibrate...you are better off on the floor... the more solid it is the better.

I will also be installing speakers on my mount... no floor vibration...= improved audio. ..and why not have the speakers at the right height.

Screens ... I have the design for the screen frame in prototype form...get back in visualization mode again... wall mount...screen frame.. Screen can be flipped up.. adjusted to create a perfect axis to your viewing angle... and can also be adjusted up and down, diagonally, or horizontally ...

ok here is some stuff on keystoning

this may help visually

Please dont do this to your projected image...there is spherical distortions that will not be corrected,,,, and other distortions that are not corrected..

memobug

I checked earlier today and it already cleared customs and had already left the buffalo Ny depot. It pays to do the paperwork properly.
Wow six weeks old daughter ...congrats... maybe I could mod it as a diaper change mount.. AV components that can be improved by lessening vibration will be awesome on the wall. Speakers that are mounted solid also will benefit... Want the mathematic formulas?
Congrats... again on the baby... my oldest daughter is going into double digits in 3 weeks.. yipes...

C5 guy...

Our best friends are right near your location for spring break..right now. I have a map program on the pc that the girls use.
Berkline seats.. heh I just thought of another use... close your eyes and picture this.. screw the mounting plate to the floor and use it as an adjustable foot rest. I am trying to get hilde from the show Trading Spaces to do a room with these... she loves screwin things into the walls.

Todays paperwork is done... all shipping for todays orders go out tomorrow by noon.

I just received a distributorship for cable channeling for those who do not wish to or find it difficult to run wires into the walls...or across ceiling. Several options...several solutions. If anyone is interested give me a email....

d1g1talv1s10ns@netscape.net

I just reviewed the tracking history and its good to see all of these flowing all over America, Europe...

Can someone tell me if in the USA there is a robertson screw driver set yet. I was told some states do have robertson... please advise.

what a week... thanks again for all your support and orders. Much appreciated.

Rob...

I was asked several times about hanging instructions... and difficulty thereof...

This is going to be one of the easiest mounts to hang a projector from...
You will note from the wall mount instructions given above... that you make up the two assemblies.

I recommend that you make the connection to the knee joint last for ceiling or wall mounting... I made the stainless bolt a bit longer to facilitate this and adjusted the drilled hole through the knee joint to be a very tight tolerance when it was machined.. I also beefed up the allen wrench (which is included in the packaging to 3/16 to facilitate easier tightening of the knee joint.

IF YOU MAKE UP THE TWO ASSEMBLIES.. WHERE ALL THAT IS LEFT TO ASSEMBLE IS THE KNEE JOINT... WHETHER CEILING MOUNTING OR WALL MOUNTING ...


ALIGN AND LOCK THE ADJUSTABLE ARM TIGHT BY HAND TO PROHIBIT MOVEMENT WHILE HANGING PROJECTOR.
INSERT THE STAINLESS STEEL BOLT. TAKE THE PROJECTOR ASSEMBLY AND SLIDE IT OVER THE STAINLESS STEEL BOLT. YOU WILL NOTE THAT IT FREE HANGS WHEN INSERTED.. MAKE SURE YOU HOLD THE BOLT IN WHILE DOING THIS SO IT DOES NOT SLIDE OUT. THE TOLERANCE IS PERFECT.
THE PROJECTOR WILL FREE HANG PROVIDED THE BOLT DID NOT SLIP OUT.
JUST THREAD ON THE NUT AND TIGHTEN...

I have seen some other designs and arm fatigue is a very serious factor, or there needs to be more than one individual involved...= more risk...= unpleasant experience.

The overkill in my design facilitates confidence, ease of assembly, Do not forget how many updates there has been already on the X1... When you have to take it down for any reason all the adjustments are already there except the knee joint.... so simply just take it down by taking off the stainless steel nut... and pulling the projector down. takes a few seconds.

Hope this helps..

Rob..

are there assembly instructions with the mounts?

Cha Cha..

Use the instructions given here... NO ONE will have a problem with this

Remember this was made for the X1... it is idiot proof. Its not some universal junk.

Assembly

... thread cnc machined bolts...(2) long one into the wall /ceiling mount plate.. short one into the projector mount plate. .. time to install both 10 seconds.

... place the projector mounting plate on the inverted projector and thread in the (3) hole positions and tolerances ...(perfect... no sliding adjusting crap) the holes were cut with a laser at the same time the design was cut with a cnc machine. You cant miss you just thread em in ...they align perfect the length is perfect... ( time to thread all three....15 seconds)

... put the stainless steel bolt through the drilled knee joint and attach the two assemblies with the supplied nut ... The tolerance on the hole is so perfect you will think there is threads in the hole.. this may slow you down a bit.. but I timed it at 5 seconds... thread the stainless nut on the stainless bolt... and tighten with the allen wrench provided.... holding the bolt with an adjustable... you are looking at 14 seconds ... its nyloc on the nut so it takes a bit longer but it holds the knee joint firmer with absolutely no slippage... make sure you tighten it all the way... and the nut only can go in one way due to the nyloc on one side.

Ok lets do the math... 44 seconds.

Again I only recommend for several reasons that people go into a joist, or stud .... but if you find some use of the best possible attachment device which is also provided... the toggle bolts....well.. you will note that if you use the toggle bolts the hole you drill for these is 1/2".

Read my earlier post... with the instructions here that are detailed to the extreme.

These times are accurate. I was just going at normal pace. With your alignment adjustments ...that will depend on how well you planned out your installation.

I may have a screen frame hanging from one of these mounts shortly.

This information was from another post and answered by Bob Williams from Infocus.. Some may find it useful.


"The orientation of the projector has no effect on the image quality coming out of it. However, your screen probably does to at least a small extent. Since no screen is a true lambertian surface, for a typical 1.0 gain screen the image will be slightly brighter to the audience if the projector is ceiling mounted. The higher the gain, the more pronounced the difference will be (unless you are using a retroreflective screen which is better for tabletop mounted projectors)."

Send me an email with the amount required for my mounts. Use the KBK@goosystems.com address. I'll get it out to you Monday afternoon, latest.

I need at least one of them in my hands before Wednesday. (UPS expidited) Bill me for the extra expense on that one.

I see quite a few people have signed for their mounts today...

I will be here to answer questions most of the week if there is any.

Rob

I'm looking forward for the early reports to come in - take pictures, tell us how easy it was to hook up.

Especially since I'm ordering an X1 + Mount today from our good friend Mandarax :)

Everyone must be screwing their mounts.. I mean.... mounting their projectors... ... yipes .... never mind.

Mandarax: Got my mount and it's terrific. I haven't mounted my projector yet because I haven't put up my permanent screen yet, but I did assemble it and it seems excellent. Well done.

Thanks Cha Cha..

They is better lookin than the original.....more stable than the original...easier to adjust than the original..... less likely to lose adjustment than the original.... better paint finish than the original... easier to disassemble/reassemble when doing firmware upgrades...

Wait till you see what I get for these on Ebay... I am saving a couple at the end of the run...

Mandarax,

When will you be making your next shipmants? I want to make sure I get mine before you go to Ebay.

Gabrielle

I ship every day I get an order. I have shipped every single day since release.. they are all packaged now... I just take the order slap a barcode on it ... insert the proper customs documents...... and they get dropped off at the depot usually the next day.

Same thing with the orders with the actual projector. I pack the projector mount in with the X1 projector box..(in the carrying case)...and ship it next day.

My website will be up soon as well and that should make things alot easier.

All the mounts for all the projectors I endorse will be offered at AVS first at cost.

Any estimate on when you'll have the mounts available for the Z1/300? Will you have this mount in white color as an option? Looking forward to seeing the website with all this information centralized.

White is not a good color. The Z1 has a bit of light leakage out of the case. and you do not want that reflecting all over the place. Also when you start to see other pics come in with the X1 mount you will note that the entire unit looks like one homogenous unit... not some extraction coming out of the ceiling. Sometimes you have to make these executive decisions. The Z1 and 300 are both black... if they are powder coat finished it will be in black to match.

Wow ... everyone must have found these a snap to put together.

Not one question.

This is incredulous.... everyone must be busy putting these up to see sadam get a patriot up the wazoo.

I'll let you know when I see mine! (It's somewhere in Ohio now)

Regards,

Matt

Rob:
FedEx just dropped off the mount 30 minutes ago (6:30 pm PST). He is running later than usual. The package arrived here in Northern California in great shape and your mount looks super. I'll try to get the X1 mounted this weekend.
C5Guy

By the way regarding the comment on Saddam. I was in the last gulf war and I flew C-5 Galaxys (big -- big cargo planes). Now I am retired from the USAF but I will be watching the action on the big screen this time -- rather than in person.

memobug... ohio... what the hell is it doing in ohio?... damn .. I will check it out tomorrow and kick my fedex rep in the koochie again.

C5Guy.... glad you like it ... thanks... would love to hear some of your stories of the last gulf war. I hope the people of Iraq that get the instructions that were dropped into Bagdad follow them. I think Sadam could be more dangerous in exile than as president. Your president and mostly the military that is going to get the job down has alot of balls to take these drastic measures and we should all support this valour effort.

Mine was also routed through Ohio (Columbus) before it came to Sacramento, CA. Columbus must be the FedEx sort center for that region.

What is weird is that memobugs was there at the same time. I will get some action compelling answers today. I get pissed when the entire operation went off like a swiss watch, then delayed due to Fedex server going down using ship manager. It was only a day... but stayed up till 4 AM to enable the paperwork to get done.... then having to drive them into the depot to try and make up the lost time. Not one got held in Customs, so there is no excuse. All in all they have been great except for a blooper into nunavut where the program actually altered the postal code, and an agent for Fedex actually signed for the shipment as received. Five hours on the phone on that one. My voice is still hoarse on that one, and I think the person that was on the phone from fedex is now in therapy. They remedied the situation by putting the shipment onto another plane with another agent so they received it the next day. All in all tho I think they have been excellent.

memobug... heh.. I am getting a bit worried about that mount not being scanned since the 15th of March. I phoned and they assured me all was well... let me know if you hear anything. I have "memobugs mount" written on the box due to your special requirements with lofted ceiling and 20" drop. All other shipments out of the Ohio hub have been moved and scanned a long time ago. I am going to ask tomorrow to have someone physically confirm the location of the box and the markings on the box itself. It was a medium size Fedex box.

Well, I got my mount in wednesday and put it in earlier today (thursday)....

first of all, parts look fantastic. very nice finish.

I hadnt read any of the instructions, but it was pretty intuitive. It took me about 20 minutes to put the thing up going at a snails pace, but atleast 10 of that was spent trying to find a square screwdriver bit...

mount is VERY solid. i definetly dont feel like anything is going to fall, thats for certain.

Its a little cumbersome for one person to adjust and tighten the nuts at the same time, although i somehow managed -- i would assume this is the same for pretty much all the products available.

All in all i am VERY happy, definetly happy i didnt shell out more cash for some piece of generic crap, this mount is excellent.

Hope you guys find it as easy to use as I did.

I appreciate your followup, Rob. You're right, though; it hasn't moved since early afternoon 3/15. Being that it is 3/21 today, and it moved from New York to Ohio in a jiffy, and nowhere since, I suspect that it is (temporarily?) lost.

I wonder if all that mil spec machining, powder coat plating and articulated steel makes it look like a gun mount and got someone excited?

Regards,

Matt

memobug... I called again today and they are tracing it. There was about 21 that hit the same day routed through Ohio so this makes no sense. The pieces on xray equip would look a bit ominous but I had already personally driven down to US customs and gave them pics and showed them the use etc... in an effort to not have them held... All the proper documentation is provided to customs and again not one single one got held at customs...

Jay ... Heh... thanks for the favorable review. You have no idea how much I appreciate the time people take to give their feedback. About 75% of the first string of these sold were from engineers.

I have since revised the screws provided to go into the studs to a phillips screw for USA shipments. Not as good as Robertson but should eliminate that 10 minutes. I also bought a pile of square bits so if anyone wishes to recieve the bit... add .75 cents... I threw some in for free on a few of the last shipments. This way I will know if you need them or not. With the US dollar dropping I am not yet at minimum wage so I have to charge for this extra. For the toggle bolts I am not going to supply these in a philips only square, just so you know. Reason ... philips get stripped easier and simply are not as good.

It is typical for a man not to wish to read instructions....and the product is very intuitive.... Here is the key to shortening the time... ( but then you dont get to play as much) MAKE THE LAST STEP BE.. PUT THE PROJECTOR WITH THE MACHINED SHORT KNEE BOLT OVER THE STAINLESS STEEL BOLT..ATTACH NUT AND TIGHTEN. THEN DO FINAL ALIGNMENT. When tightening the stainless knee joint use an adjustable and the supplied allen wrench. Just hold the adjustable and tighten with the allen wrench. You will note that on the stainless steel nut it has nylon on part of the inside... this is what is called nyloc... dont worry.. it is designed to not allow any slippage, it will feel a bit tight at first due to it biting into the nylon.
Anyway the two cnc machined bolts should just be screwed in all the way and backed off to align by sight before this ... shorter machine bolt into the projector mount.

I cant stress the method above for being the last step... The reason is... that when you may have to do a firmware upgrade and have to take the projector mount down. This is the easiest way I found to do it. Takes a few seconds.... and this is the easiest way to manage the projector... IT will simply hang on its own once the projector is on the knee joint with the stainless bolt fully inserted.


All the commercial mounts I have seen (except the gargage I have seen at ebay that use welded structural steel tubing that really do look horrid.) (or the ones with the wood... which are a real joke) are made with predominately with hot rolled steel. I rejected hot rolled steel due to the way it finishes. Commercial mounts get stamped. I rejected this due to the way a stamping looks. The edges look like crap. I havent seen one commercial mount or one of those ebay jobs that is powder coat finished. Most are using a low cost primer based type paint ... On steel ... Not good. easily scratched, dinged, etc. Due to the additional process that were involved in this powder coat finish I am going to have to look at it also as it required assembly, dissassembly .... and could not be simply packaged coming off the powder coat line. Painting the machined bolts with powder with the brackets in was very difficult. The paint is conductive and wants to draw into the metal,,, so with the unusual shape with the cnc machined bolts we had to invent some strategies to get this done.

thanks again jay...

Just a reminder .... Please put your telephone number on the order information for fedex. Email me first if you wish... I will be changing the email address for the orders in a little while. Keep you posted.

Rob Soroka
Digital Visions.

:)

My FEDEX package was waiting at the front door when I went home for lunch today. Unpacked it, put it together, and had it installed in < 20 minutes. Installation was very easy, and the fit and finish is excellent.

Thanks Rob for your great product!

My wife is just as happy as I am, as she hated leaving the PJ unattended on the floor stand we had been using since our 2 year old like to swing his "basebat" at and/or "superfly" on expensive items. Now we just need to make sure he doesn't try to hook a rope over the mount and try to scale the wall. ;)

See the attached pic of my installation (my apologies for the poor quality as I used my Clie PDA). Still need to tidy up the cables, but overall it worked out quite nice. The screws are tied into the studs around our door frame, so the mount should be quite solid.

Giles
P.S. Guess I was one of the lucky ones as I got the square bit for free.
P.P.S Add me to the list of early adopting engineers.

Is there some way to attach several pics that don't have general URLs?

Giles

hey first post install pictures! Looks good! I don't think I'll be buying one, but I would've been all over this 2 months ago before I bought my bookshelf.

My mount arrived here on the Big Island of Hawaii today...very nice! Are there supposed to be instructions included? I didn't get any. It's clear how everything fits together, though.


Eric

Heh giles.. is that a pocket door? A good raceway around the door frame would do wonders to clean up the wires. I would put it around the whole door frame and miter it. Thanks for taking your time to post your comments
and pics.

There should be some more ceiling mount pics soon.

Egcarter... I was worried that you received memobugs... I am still hunting for that one. It had some special pieces made up for him... and wanted to see how the new baby looked on the mount. It wasnt all that bad time wise to hawaii. The mount can be used for hanging up surf boards as well. If you have any trouble assembling that mount you can fly me in.
There is instructions on this site. You guys are suppose to idiot proof it for me. If you think of an easier way that I already posted let me know.

memobug ... if it doesnt come up by tuesday I will issue a claim and just make up another and send it EXpress. I will have to get another extention piece made tho.

Rob

Mandrax,
Looks cool. I just got my X1. I was wondering if it would be possible to get one with a knee joint on both sides of the 8" bar. This would allow for infinte height adjustment between the 2 plates. You could use the X1's zoom lens to compensate for the horizontal motion in this case.

The biggest problem I see is a change to the manufacture of the 8" piece which I'm sure is non-trivial to coordinate. I would also expect that this style would require mounting to a stud. If I can get one like this, please let me know the price (shipped to US).

Or, am I missing something and this bracket is already height adjustable?

If I want one (current design), do I just send $68US to that paypal address? Or do I need to set something up with you first.

Thanks..

Originally posted by mandarax
memobug ... if it doesnt come up by tuesday I will issue a claim and just make up another and send it EXpress. I will have to get another extention piece made tho.

Thanks - it made Sacramento today, which is good news. I think someone in the Ohio warehouse just gave up the footrest they have been using for the past week.

Regards,

Matt

I happened to be in Sears today, so I picked up a Robertson screwdriver that'll help with those Canadian screws! I don't know why Robertson hasn't caught on in the U.S. It seems a much better system to me.

Eric

bholio.... I am not sure about your question.

"I was wondering if it would be possible to get one with a knee joint on both sides of the 8" bar?"

I will try and answer this as best I can... the standard mount comes with a knee joint that is one 8" and a 2.5" knee joint... this facilitates a standard 8' ceiling height. I allow a swap of the. 8" and 2.5" for two 2.5" which is a 4.5" drop or two 8" which would be a 15.5" drop. There is no charge for the swap and this accomodates every ceiling height from 9' and below... and is as trivial as advising that you wish to swap out the parts.

I have already done some specials from 15' to 11' ceiling heights... and a lofted angled ceiling where a 20" drop was requested. This was no problem and can be made to any spec. one desires. This will normally take an extra two days to get made up. The ones that were at 11' and 15' use a special extention and you will see pics here of the special sleeve that is used on the extention that matches the color of the mount exact ... which also matches the underside of the X1 (grey). No biggy and looks great.

Of course if you are using the application as a wall mount...then you can simply just adust the height to whatever you want.

If you have a special requirement please email d1g1talv1s10ns@netscape.net... (easier to copy and paste) email address.

For your other question regarding the stud.... some people just find it impossible to make it to a stud.. I also provide a toggle bolts .... the toggle is spring loaded. you make a hole the size of the compressed toggle... insert the toggle compressed into the hole.... once released it forms a "T" and then just needs to be tightened.

Hope this answers your question.... If not feel free to email me with your application and go through it in more detail.

Rob

memobug... I seen that .... I advised that I would be processing a claim on Monday and then it showed up like magic.

Rob

egcarter.... the square bit can be had anywhere in the USA... I have found a source for the std. screws that are now philips... but on the toggle bolt that is also supplied, it will remain a square head... I will include a square driver if interested for an additional dollar but please do specify this.

I installed the mount and projector yesterday. Was very easy -- actually took longer to play with the alignment than to install. The mount plate was perfect -- very precise drilling! I can highly recommend to all X1 owners.
C5Guy

PS: Interesting observation on engineers buying this mount -- I am an aeronautical engineer!

C5Guy... Thanks for your kind comments. The holes are actually cut at the same time as being cut to shape with a cnc laser cutting machine from my cad drawing that is fed and programmed into the cnc laser cutting machine. Zero chance of misalignment. The cnc laser cutting machine is about 40' long and 15' wide. Beautiful cuts. I was actually going to have you all pay more for my company logo ethed by the laser machine into the steel. It would have only been able to go to 1/1000 depth and would have been filled by the powder coat finish. So I didnt do it. It would have looked cool tho. I was most impressed with the cnc milling and drilling .. When they were covered with paint it kind of masked how great that knee joint is. Good thing it was quoted... If I had been on a time basis it would have doubled the price.



I will add you to my stats of engineers on the first run...

Well, I mounted my projector....Great job on the mount! The nice thing about it is that it's very versatile....I change my mounting position a couple of times and it's easy every time. Now I have the projector hanging from a side wall. By the way mandarax, will slippage on the knee joint occur over time due to the weight of the projector? Also, can you PM me with a price for a projector+mount combo for my friend? Thanks

Cha Cha...

Thanks... Glad you like it. I love doing this stuff.... especially when everyone appreciates a great product.

There is actually very low resistance. I do not expect you will ever have slippage over time. I had one that actually had a knuckle joint ... something like what bholio was describing. The use of the nyloc...on the stainless steel nut will prevent it from slipping. After a few years you find that the nylon in the nut has worn...( you would have to be doing an extremely lot of take downs and reinstalls for this to happen)
but you can just go and get another nyloc nut.. slip it on be as good as new again... But wow you would have to be doing a crazy amount of dismounts and remounts... YOU will NEVER wear the knee joint itself out.

Rob

Cant believe March 31st is only a few days away. Deadline for extended warranty on the X1 and the $100.00 US rebate. Did you guys hear the bulbs went down in price also.

What a deal..

The mount arrived today, and I didn't think I'd have time to get it all mounted. I was waiting for my wife to come home from a "pampered chef" party, and thought I'd give it a quick go. I think that it probably took less than 20 minutes, including finding the ever elusive drill, and an extension cord capable of getting it high enough to drill the pilot holes.

I'm in an older house, lath & plaster, so stud finding wasn't an issue. I lined up the projector, and drew a line on the wall where the mount needed to be.

Drilled the holes, then screwed the mount to the wall. End result looks very good (IMHO)

Next step is to get the screen mounted where the projector projects :)

Hi Nodecam...


Great pic. For what its worth I think it looks terrific... but some may find my assessment a bit biased. I have that same color in my livingroom.. think it was a benjamin moore historical color ... hollingsworth green.. I was amazed when I projected onto that color as it looked pretty damn good. Green is actually a shade of grey ... maybe thats what does it ...but I actually liked it better than the white... after making some adjustments... Still not as good as some of the other coatings though.

I am going to make the same mount configuration for screens. With an alternate mounting plate. I just finished one of the frames yesterday using 2*2 steel studs. Used a pop rivet gun to put it together... and cross braced it. Shouldnt warp...like wood.... and was cheap. Made it for my shootout which is only a month away...yipes

Mandarax, I'm interested in your mount, but have a concern. I have a high power screen and I'm not sure how high I want to mount my projector at this point. I'm going to have to eyeball it. I want to try 7 feet initially, and then see how it looks at 8 feet. With the High Power screen you lose gain the more vertical distance there is between the projector lens and your eyes, so I want to experiment and find the max projector height where screen gain is still good.

So I need easy vertical adjustment of the mount. Something I can do in minutes. How would you go about meeting my needs with your mount?

That green surprised me too with the quality of image that could be projected onto it. The whites were still relatively white and everything.

It didn't look quite as good as on the blackout though, but it was a passable image. I'm anxiously awaiting the results of your shootout to decide what I'm going to paint the screen with...

The mount was awesome, thanks again for everything.

mbaxter correct me if I'm wrong but if you move your projector up or down a foot don't you have to move the screeb up and down also. Do you accomadate the movment by tilting the projector and then don't you get in trouble with keystoning. Mandarax what is the minimal clearance between the ceiling and bottom of the projector, assuming it is mounted on back wall, and the minimal distance between the back of the projector and back of the wall. Due to screen location I have to have my projector as close to the ceiling and back wall. Sorry if this has already been asked. Thanks for info in advance.

mbaxter... ceiling/wallmounting will give you a percieved brighter pic.

There is alot of questions I need to ask... like screen distance to projector, ceiling height, have you accounted for your lens offset etc etc... the heights you mention are they top of lens bottom of projector ... why not email @ robert@digital-visions.ca

Mr Mago..

Minimal distance if you mount like Nodecams pic. (The mounting plate going into the wall or ceiling can go vertical or horizontal) But lets say you do it the same as Nodecams... then it would be 1.5 " from the top of the ceiling to the middle of the plate. Not sure this is what you mean... but let me take another stab.. just in case ... When you say the bottom of the projector... I am assuming when it is in the inverted position... Then your looking at 3" if you are talking about the top but now that it is inverted is the bottom measured ..I think the projector is 4.125 inches... so 7" which includes the projector itself. Hope that resolves any iteration you may need.

The distance from the back wall if you are wall mounting will be 2" from wall to back of mount.


the clearance at the rear of the projector is 2"

mandarax - I sent you my detailed question via email but I have a general question I'd to post here, so that you can answer for the benefit of all. I didn't see this question answered yet so here goes:

The knee joint allows for vertical image adjustment but what about horizontal? Can you swivel left and right?

If you are mounting on the wall your horizontal adjustment is on the lock nut just above the projector mount. Swivel into position and just lock it down with the nut above the mounting plate. You can do this sufficiently by simply hand tightening into position

If ceiling mount same location as well you can also do a horizontal adjustment from the ceiling plate using the same method.

Mandarax...
Got mine today. Looks great. Can't wait to set it up. Your right, it only takes 30 sec to put it together. Thanks again.
Cal

mandarax,

L300U.........L300U............L300U.......when?when?when?wh en? Could you give rough estimate.


this is my first post on this forum :-)

Originally posted by mandarax
mbaxter... ceiling/wallmounting will give you a percieved brighter pic.

Not to nitpick, but it needs to pointed out that with the High Power screen fabric, the exact opposite is true. People need to understand this.

The High Power is retroreflective. Most of the light is reflected straight back to the source. You get best gain when you at the same height and horizontal plane as the projector lens. When the projector is up on the ceiling, your gain decreases a lot (but is still pretty good).

The conventional wisdom about image improvement with ceiling mount DOES NOT apply to the High Power because of its retroreflective property.

dj California... Glad you like it.

Rob

Konstanin... It will be shortly after my shootout in a few weeks. I have to make up a batch of screens for people to see at the shootout.

Rob

This thread has gotten extremely long. In the interest of providing summary detail.. payments can be made through paypal... using email d1g1talv1s10ns@netscape.net. (copy and paste this email)

USA order .... 68.00 US includes fedex ground shipping and hardware.
Cdn order .... 98.80 Cdn. incl fedex shipping, hdwe, taxes

Reminder put your shipping info and your TELEPHONE number on the payment details.

I also have some X1's left so if you want both I package the mount in the carrying case. Email for quote.

I forgot... if anyone needs a vga to componet video adapter I have some of these available as well...

hey Rob! I'm gonna register my x-1's before the time is up. May as well take the cash! :D :D

mandarax:

Do you have an approximate time frame for when an HS-10 mount would be available?

Bill..

Sent you a PM.

Ken..

I think you have some time to do this but might as well do it now... Dont forget to write it off as R&D.

Rob

I sold out of the adapters.... I will have more on April 7th.

If you want the mount with the adapter there is no charge for shipping.
If you want the mount with the adapter... and an X1 there is no charge for shipping.

Rob:

I tried to answer your PM but your mailbox is full. I can understand why.

Can you PM me your email address so that I can respond?

sorry about that ... I freed some up...

email address is robert@digital-visions.ca

I received my mount mandarax. Unfortunately, my camera is on the fritz but it was very easy to mount and seems extremely sturdy. Thanks much.

GabrielleG

Hy Rob,
My Uncle brought me the bracket for the X1. I'm to be an X1 owner as soon as my room mate gets back from the states.

He (Uncle) said you were extremely knowledgable and enjoyed the X1 demo. He'd seen the panny 300 demo'd elsewhere and highly suggested that the X1 was the way to go!

Again Rob thanks for all your help, and for those out there that have an X1 and looking for a bracket, look no further mandarax is your man!

Jessica

gabrielle... your welcome and thanks. It is alot of fun putting your ideas into a product and making it available. I have hit almost every state in the USA and every province in Canada. It got a bit shakey when the release coincided with a decline in the US dollar by almost 12% but didnt think it would be right to alter the price. I would elaborate further but there is a seperate forum here for those discussions. Only one box so far got mushed by the courier. Not one package has been held at customs and zero complaints so far.

Jessica... thankyou for your kind words. I really enjoyed meeting your uncle. I wish I would have had more time to sit back and have a few xbox games with him. I got a bit behind with my coatings and we used a celtic cloth screen uncoated. Not good. I am coating that screen with the CRT white Goo. Buying the bracket and the X1 together is the way to go. I like to believe I am da man for all yur X products. They don't call me mandarax for just the bracket. I also now include the vga to component adapter with the X1 projector and bracket. I have 150 little X1 keychains with a tiny little light in it that I am hoping go with every box. The people at Infocus are very supportive of what I do and make it extremely easy to support their products, and I have to say without a doubt the company on every single solitairy level has been top shelf... and they fill my number one criteria... which is having fun.

I can also package some screen goo. I highly endorse this product for your screens... or wall. The people that produce goo are extremely knowledgeable and have made some products to match the X1 to the reflected image with the goo screen coatings. Amazing stuff. They arent just a bunch of guys throwing a combo of regular house paint. This is special coatings that has a proper base coat with a tooth count to ensure proper adhesion, and a top coat that will bring a uniform, easy to apply finish that will give you what I believe to be unmatched performance for the dollar.

If you are interested just send me a pm.

Another reminder..... Please remember to include your telephone number when ordering.... Fedex requires this information.

Note... I also have all the Xbox accessories, games, available as well. PM me if you want any of these articles .... or the X1 adapter...vga to component cable..

Due to the length of this thread I updated the payment information on the very first thread.

Hi,

I am coming into this thread really, really late, but wouldn't it be a cool idea to make a "universal" mounting plate for a whole series of projectors ?

Just extra holes really... it wouldn't be quite the same aesthetically, but it would sure increase the market by a whole lot.

Especially since the *very* cheapest I can buy a genuine mount for my AE300 is $580 AUD. Ouch !

missileman...

The x1 only has three mounting holes... that go into the unit. This is the same as some others but then again some other projectors use four...

The AE300 requires a completely different lens offset also to the X1. IE there is almost zero lens offset and therefore the projector will hang lower to achieve a similar result,,, to get the projected image at optimal height for theater viewing. The throw distances are also different.

So to get optimal you have to pretty much design the mount around the characteristics of the projector. I could have made a universal piece of hardware but the net result would be a cheap piece of crap.

All the mounts I make will be made with the specific projectors characteristics in mind. I know what you mean about the price.... The ones made are nothing more than a cheap stamping, with a cheap coat of primer like paint and also do not take in the effect one looks for in HOME THEATER.

I just finished packaging up the last of the first run yesterday. (I had to make my house look normal again). Only 34 left from the first run of 160.

Rob

oops make that 32...

Hi mandarax,
Well, it looks like I got the demo for X1 all setup. It is coming wednesday from Infocus evalexpress program. I will have it for 10 days to play with.
I also found an excellent price for it here in Canada and a decent quality screen as well. I think I will like it and edup buying it very soon. So it looks like the missing piece to this puzzle is your mount. Here is the problem I'm facing: the screen is 84" diagonal (4:3)
so the image hight will be around 50". This may not look like much, but I can only go about 12 feet back from the screen (room size)
Itlooks like using your mount the top of the screen will have to be waaaay to high for comfortable viewing. In fact to make it a good hight for 11 feet viewing distance I will need about 20-25" drop!
Can this be done? All I really need is a straight rod - no fancy elbows as I will measure the lenght exactly and mount it permanently off the ceiling. Can this be done? And for how much? Please help!
piesek

piesek, be careful because the two elbows (knees) are what provide the alignment. Even if you get the height (altitude!) perfect, there are 3 more axes of freedom to fool with (pitch, yaw and roll, or horizon, azimuth and whatever) With the two mounting elbows bent, you get the adjustment on two axes and rotation about the mounting nut provides the third.

I had a ceiling mount planned, but instead chose to mount the shaft on the side of a rafter, because without a bent knees, you are losing your alignment along one of those axes and wind up with a projector that can't be adjusted.

I think mandarax can set you up with a special mount with opposed knees to enable you to properly align your ceiling mount.

Regards,

Matt

Piesek ...

First off.. NO ONE will beat my price on the X1... Why do people buy from places that have to read the specs from a pamphlet while on the phone?

Given your spec... I am not sure why you do not wall mount the X1. At 12 feet ...do not forget that when wall mounting the front of the projector will be out about 14.25 inches. At your projector screen size of 84" diagonal this should work out perfect.... and you would be able to put the height on the wall whereever you wish.

If you do not have a wall on the other side. I can cut a piece to whatever length you wish.. You will still have a horizontal adjustment and if you get the length right you will not have to worry about the vertical adjustment.
Do not forget about the offset.

Hi memobug... hows it hangin?

Mandarax,
I sent you a PM.
piesek

Mandarax:
Wanted you to know that one of your X1 mounts is now enjoying a view of the California foothills. Thanks.
C5Guy

A shot from further away. Obviously a work in progress. Got to get those speakers mounted next. Drapes are on order.

c5Guy..

Looking good.... I love seeing pics.. of my babies out there hangin.

Try taking a look at this site... www.panduit.com and check out the raceways...Type PD surface raceway. Type T surface raceway would look good too. You could also use the Type CD raceway. The cheapest are the LPD or LD raceways. but would also be ok in your application...

Just a suggestion... I use these for some of my customers applications.

Rob

hey guys and girls.

I just found another item that matches up to the X1 beautifully. As some of you know I am hosting the Canuck shootout. Canuck...for location only.
Many people are coming from the USA. As part of this event I am putting together a few screens. I had the Goo CRT White up last night with the X1 and you would truly have to see it to believe it. Make up that screen and match it to your buddies systems that cost thousands more... and watch them start wearing a bald spot up side their heads.... (scratching and thinkin..... How'd he do that)

Gain is 1.6 depending on application. Send me a email robert@digital-visions if you want more info. I can also send out this Goo with a projector mount as I endorse its use with the X1 100%. Exciting stuff.

Down to 27

Rob

Mandarax, have u tried out the halfgrey digital goo on the X1 yet? I thought ken said It'd be Ideal for a slight gain (1.3ish..?) and blacker blacks without sacrificing whites. I'd like to see a bunch of comments on that combo someplace before I shell out the $$buckage..8 )

Also, I recieved your mount and must agree it is a gem. I don't have a camera 8 ( but I'll write a brief description of how I'm using it..

I have a room about 26' long that has a large arched doorway about 14feet back. I refer to the front half as my HT room. In the back half I keep my supacomputer (HTPC wannabe) and the other components. In the front room I have my new large 16x9 screen(94"wide). So I took your mount and put it up on the backside of the arched doorway, then moounted the X1 and turned it 180degrees so it faces the screen peeking out beneath the arch... cool huh? 8 ) It works great this way to keep an uncluttered theater room, and kind-of a hush box effect having the arch blocking some of the noise while the clearence from the mount lets the heat out. Nice job.

What, 27 mounts? well, thought they where all gone. I'm going to need quite a few, I suspect. It's good that you have some. I may finance a run all by my lonesome by the time things start moving.

As for the Digital Grey lite, the product can be used with two different basecoats..the Digital Grey Basecoat, for something noticeably lighter than a Digital Grey screen, or the CRT White Basecoat. ..Or..even mix your own basecoat by using a bit of either basecoat. Get to the perfect grey level for you particular situation. it is all ambient room lighting, lumen count, overall PJ CR, and image size sensitive. Basically...It all depends....

All I can say, is that any given thought-out recommendation is going to be better than a 'unadjusted' stock screen. Part of the charm, is the adaptability of the mixes ...it gives you that extra little bit of fidelity of image.

Perfect for the chronic tinkerer... * )

deadman...

sounds like a terrific solution... give us some pics.

As far as the Goo... all I can say to this point is that I was GAA GAA over the GOO CRT WHITE. I made up another frame. For the Digital GRey it hasnt cured yet. This one is 120" screen with parklands as a base... again for the shootout. I had a bunch of social commitments .....and wanted to see the Masters with some buds. Did you guys ever notice that you cannot watch an event like this on a tiny screen anymore. My buddies tv screen is about the size of the fricken golf ball on my screens.

I will let you know deadman when I get some of the light digital grey... but you cannot go wrong with the CRT White and the X1... stunning. Everyones preference will be different like Ken stated. I will also tell you that I played some Xbox on the CRT White and again was blown away by the reflected image. I will also tell you that I do not get impressed that easily.

KBK...

I will never run out. The original run was 160. I havent advertised them yet due to the shootout. The price may change, but I will not run out. I didnt put a patent on it for one run.

Rob

Ever since i got the X1, everyone in town thinks I'm a rich *******, but believe me that's not the case 8 )
They come over and see that huge screen and right away start comparing the picture to the big plasmas that cost way too much.. lol Only I can fit 4 big plasmas inside the screen I can get on mine.. muhahahahaaa!

Put that image on some goo and watch them wince if they already bought a plasma. Maybe I should design a 500 dollar bracket for plasma sets as well.

down to 24 mounts left...

bAHAHAHAAA we are evil.

Please remember to put your phone number on the paypal info so I can give it to fedex.

Too bad I wasnt able to see a Canadian win the Masters in High Definition.

I was at a neighbors tv watching it and the whole tv set was about the same size as the view of a golf ball on my screens.

Rob

Wow ... alot of specials recently. Given the exchange rate I may have to boost the US pricing after Easter to accomodate this fluctuation. The rate has dropped 12% since I issued the price, and the fuel surcharge has also gone up 15% since then as well for the courier charge.

Hopefully the exchange rate will climb.

bummer, tried this mount last night, but didn't have a high enough ceiling...
I have roughly 7 inches from the ceiling to where the bottom of the lense must be. That's about 3.5 inches to the bottom of the X1 from the ceiling. Not much you can do with that.

I had the same problem. Use the mount as you would mounting it on the back of the wall. You'll have to put a piece of wood to mount it against. I'll post pictures of my mount later.

pcostanz... email with your problem,,, robert@digital-visions.ca, maybe there is an easy solution.

Mandarax this has to be the most unusual use of you mount. It had to be a close to the cieling as possible. The only way I could get more throw distance was to go in the closet at the back of room. Cuts down on fan noise.

Another view

Bottom view

Sorry about picture quality, first time posting pictures.

Mr Mago...

Your X1 has its own little room... cool. How much noise does it suppress?

We could have just went with a straight threaded rod and covered it with a sleeve. It is such a short drop. Or replace the 8" with the 2.5 to get to a 4.5 inch drop.

Peter the one who stated bummer... he had a lower than normal ceiling, and an exact requirement for screen height. Offered him a replacement at his dimensions for shipping costs alone.

Let me clarify (i'm the bummer man <g>). I did not purchase a mount from mandarax, I built my own and was referring to the limitations of the one I built . Am I in the wrong thread/planet? Sorry for the confusion mandarax and anyone else. I think your mount looks very professional, but I believe my current situatioin would still prevent me from using it. The "hack" I came up with works fine for now. Like I said I really only have about 2" between the top of the X1 and the ceiling. Not much room at all. I have a drywall basedment ceiling at 7'8". The real limitation is that I have a masked off screen that isn't moving and also a hush box mount for the X1 from my old DLS8, I don't want to remount everything, so the X1 has a limited area it can be mounted in.

Again, sorry for the confusion.

No problem Peter... I thought you were a customer. I have over 130 out there now so I am kinda losing track and since it was posted as a bummer I guess I and Mr Mago kind of mistook your dilemna.

Better not shroud that X1 too much as it needs alot of air to make that bulb last. The quickest way to kill a projector is to give it not enough air or allow heat to build up. Kills the life of the bulb in no time. Also the color wheel ... kiss it goodbye. If its LCD... say hello to dead pixels as the panels, especially the ones that are tiny get fricka zeed. Next killer of a projector is leaving it on a table. Something will eventually happen to it.... plus it sucks to have a disturbance in the movie... looks duller when reflected off a screen.

The hush box has an anti-reflective high transmission glass. It's barely noticeable (edmunds optics). Plus I pump air into the box and vent it from another room. I have a temp meter in there, so I am monitoring the temp probe now to check what it runs at above the project without the box to give me a baseline for when I put the box back up. I had the dls8 in this for 3 years. Never one spec of dust in that thing. The air, btw is filtered with a micron filter.

There isnt much left of the first batch...

rob ...

One to Italy..... finally.

Now these babies are in two european countries, Australia, New Zealand, 45 States in the USA, every province in Canada including Nunavut.

My dots on the map is growing.

Rob ....

Originally posted by mandarax
Hi memobug... hows it hangin?

It hangs thusly and well.
I have some corrugated black plastic hose over the hardware now.

Thanks

Matt