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The game on ABC was running long and the games to follow on regional ABC were switched temporarily to ESPN, ESPN2 and ESPNU....ABC had a crawler that explained this...the blackout on ESPN was because the regional ABC game that was temporarily switched to us was not authorized for our viewing area...
As soon as the game on ABC ended all regional games were switched back to ABC and ESPN returned to normal programming...
Bama fans would have stormed the ESPN studios if that was not done...:D
sarasdad 10-18-09, 06:59 AM I was in the car! :D:D:D
I was over at a friends house watching the Alabama game last night.
Her Dish box was set to ESPN but it seemed that the game was in SD while some of the commercials were in HD. Was that the same for the rest of you?
I was over at a friends house watching the Alabama game last night.
Her Dish box was set to ESPN but it seemed that the game was in SD while some of the commercials were in HD. Was that the same for the rest of you?
My ESPN via Dish was in HD for both the game and the commercials...are you sure she did not have the ESPN-SD channel selected? Both channels are available and if you happen to tune the receiver to the SD channel then that's what you get..
If not, the game looked great in HD and I could not see any difference in quality between the commercials and the game....both looked great.:)
Scott Smith 10-18-09, 11:28 AM I watched it on Dish but I had it in Side by Side with the race on the other side.
So I'm not much help. But I have my SD set up with bars so if it was in SD I would have noticed.
DrewWoods 10-18-09, 03:28 PM Saints game on Fox (82.1) in beautiful HD via Knology, Other than the fact that the chips and salsa has run out, I don't see a problem. Anyone else?
sarasdad 10-18-09, 03:31 PM Pretty good in Millbrook ota and Brighthouse
sarasdad 10-21-09, 01:06 PM I missed House this week because baseball game ran long. I found this site to watch it in case anyone else needs it
http://housemdvideos.com/seasons/video.php?s=06&e=06
You can get House and many, many more current and old TV shows and movies at Hula.com.
Scott Smith 10-21-09, 05:00 PM Yea the wife missed Cold Case from baseball I believe but I couldn't find it on line.
I missed House this week because baseball game ran long. I found this site to watch it in case anyone else needs it
http://housemdvideos.com/seasons/video.php?s=06&e=06
I got lucky. Had the Tivo set to also record the program that follows House.
bdfox18doe 10-21-09, 08:29 PM I missed House this week because baseball game ran long. I found this site to watch it in case anyone else needs it
http://housemdvideos.com/seasons/video.php?s=06&e=06
Hmm.. gotta put that link in my PopCorn Hour.
jtrippe 10-22-09, 11:24 AM montgomerytvandradio.com will host a chat with David and Drew Woods this Monday, October 26, from noon until 8:00 pm. David and Drew will monitor the discussion during those hours to post responses to any questions you may have. You can post your questions with a screen name or anonymously. Please join us!
jtrippe 10-23-09, 08:56 AM New Friday poll is up on MTR. Radio gets some love this week! www.montgomerytvandradio.com
sarasdad 10-24-09, 07:16 AM You can get House and many, many more current and old TV shows and movies at Hula.com.
The most recent episode is on my link. They wait eight or ten days to show latest episodeon Hula or fox sites
Tom Servo 10-24-09, 11:24 AM I believe you mean Hulu (http://www.hulu.com/), not Hula.. :p
sarasdad 10-24-09, 11:45 AM i believe you mean hulu (http://www.hulu.com/), not hula.. :p
hulo hula hopdedola what ever:d:d:d
jtrippe 10-26-09, 11:56 AM Join us at noon today for a semi-live chat with WCOV. Post any question you may have for them and it will be answered by 8:00. www.montgomerytvandradio.com.
Tim Ward 10-27-09, 11:15 AM Here's a little tidbit of info that would help explain a possible difference of audio levels between networks: Fox allows a +19dB (analog metering) peak-limit standard, which allows 5dB more headroom than other networks, according to Joe Earle, dialog and music mixer for Fox's Glee. He notes that taking advantage of the extra headroom makes Glee's audio competitive with that of commercials. However, even though Glee is mixed a little hot, it doesn't necessarily mean that all Fox programs are.
edge,
I switched my antenna lead to go directly into my display's antenna input.
Entering 26.1 gets me WAIQ which would mean that their PSIP info is correct. Entering 27.5 got zip.
This isn't the first time Tivo has done something similar. I've gone though this several times with them with other station combination changes. Given the frequency of this happening, its obvious that they've got something screwed up in their software.
I got off the phone with them a few minutes ago and their rep instructed me to do another channel scan. That hasn't worked the other times I've had a similar problem but its possible that they've changed the logic in their firmware where this will work. I'll post if it does.
Looking at the bigger picture, the only show I watch on PBS is This Old House. So its not like they carry compelling programming any more.
Edit: Channel scan did not correct the problem.
The annoying thing is that this happens every few months but with different channel combinations. aaargh.
Has anyone been able to come up w/ a fix for this?
zho40,
I gave up on Tivo fixing the problem and use my satellite receiver to tune the OTA versions of PBS.
Scott Smith 10-28-09, 09:56 PM Is WCOV OTA down?
Is WCOV OTA down?
I have had trouble with WCOV and WSFA for the past couple of days.
WAKA-DT 8 10-29-09, 09:49 AM I have had trouble with WCOV and WSFA for the past couple of days.
Add WNCF to that list. Their normally shallow signal seems much worse since yesterday.
WAKA-DT 8 10-29-09, 09:56 AM Got a glimpse of Fox 6 (Bham) and their new HD news set (since WCOV carries their morning news, although in SD). Got to say the Birmingham
TV market continues to disappoint (when I was young cable brought in Bham, MGM, and Mobile/Pensacola...we always laughed at how poor the BHAM stations looked). The set has what appears to be a
BLACK AND WHITE city skyline behind the main anchor desk. They must have
spent hours figuring out how to make that HD pop!
Tim Ward 10-29-09, 08:07 PM Got a glimpse of Fox 6 (Bham) and their new HD news set (since WCOV carries their morning news, although in SD). Got to say the Birmingham
TV market continues to disappoint (when I was young cable brought in Bham, MGM, and Mobile/Pensacola...we always laughed at how poor the BHAM stations looked). The set has what appears to be a
BLACK AND WHITE city skyline behind the main anchor desk. They must have
spent hours figuring out how to make that HD pop!
It's called "Raycom." What did you expect from the company who puts sub-$10k HD camcorders in their stations? :confused:
jtrippe 10-30-09, 09:47 AM Which local TV station has the best HD picture quality? www.montgomerytvandradio.com.
In the last few days, I've been having breakup with OTA with channel 32, WNCF .
Anybody else?
DaHound 10-30-09, 11:00 AM I gave up on 32 and use 22-1/2. WSFA has been lousy for the past few days also.
We've had unusual atmospheric conditions the last few days, especially between dusk and 8-9pm...all the Montgomery OTA stations (measured from my remote location) had intermittent signal drops/losses during that time...
As the weather cleared the signals stabilized again at, or near, 100%...temperature inversions and low clouds tend to play havoc on digital signals when received from 40 or more miles away...causing multipath conditions which does more harm to digital signals than it did to our old analog signals...
jtrippe 11-06-09, 11:45 AM A new poll is up on MTR asking which TV provider you use. We're working on an article on the lack of HD for the local cable providers.
Also, we have secured funding for a new web format, host and forums. We are in the process of transferring everything to the new site. We apologize that the forums took so long but, honestly, we didn't have any money until recently. We hope you will join the discussions at MTR.
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jtrippe 11-09-09, 03:16 PM We've posted a new article on the lack of HD for local cable providers. I was probably a little harsh but hopefully we'll get their attention. Please post your comments, critiques and criticisms.
www.montgomerytvandradio.com
rolltide1017 11-09-09, 03:59 PM I don't think you were harsh enough. Cable companies are pathetic in Montgomery. When I moved my family here from Orlando, we lived with my parents for a few months until we found our own house. I saw first hand how horrible Charter was and vowed to never buy service from them. It wasn't just the lack of HD but the service. Billing errors and struggling to correct those, PPV football games that wouldn't work half the time but you still got charged for them. Then they charged something like $35-50 for a in home service call to fix there connection to the house. Brighthouse in Orlando never charged for any type of in home service call.
I went with Dish Network when we moved into our house and have been pretty happy for the most part. 80+ HD channels and one of the best DVRs I have ever used. Only problem I have with Dish Network is the rain fade happens too often for a company that claims it doesn't happen that often.
I would have chosen DirecTV but, they don't offer Montgomery locals at all (SD or HD). Dish Network only had the locals in SD when we signed up but, they added HD not long after. DirecTV claims that they have 94% of the country's locals yet they still don't have Montgomery's. I just don't buy that claim. I know Montgomery isn't a huge city but, it is not the smallest either.
I agree with you though, if you have a nice HDTV and home theater, satellite is the only way to go in Montgomery. I'm trying to get my parents to switch because they hate Charter but, they just don't want to deal with the switch for some reason.
amigo981 11-10-09, 09:55 PM "We've posted a new article on the lack of HD for local cable providers. I was probably a little harsh but hopefully we'll get their attention. Please post your comments, critiques and criticisms."
I'd like to see APT and the CW in hi-def on Charter.
Amigo
Scott Smith 11-10-09, 10:17 PM I'm a little slow, I'm sure, but has anyone watched Dish Channel 212 "Dish Earth"?
Pretty cool.
jtrippe 11-11-09, 07:48 AM I'd like to see APT and the CW in hi-def on Charter.
Amigo[/QUOTE]
I don't know what Charter's problem is with APT digital/HD. Just another example how bad Charter is. There's no excuse not to have a local in HD. Don't look for the CW in HD here any time soon. That actually is not the locals fault. Montgomery is a smaller market and the CW hasn't rolled out HD for us yet. Charter does have it in HD for Birmingham as the CW produces its channel in HD for that market.
Scott Smith 11-11-09, 09:29 PM Montgomery is 118th out of 210.
http://www.tvb.org/rcentral/markettrack/US_HH_by_DMA.asp
Tom Servo 11-13-09, 04:19 AM I don't know what Charter's problem is with APT digital/HD. Just another example how bad Charter is. There's no excuse not to have a local in HD. Don't look for the CW in HD here any time soon. That actually is not the locals fault. Montgomery is a smaller market and the CW hasn't rolled out HD for us yet. Charter does have it in HD for Birmingham as the CW produces its channel in HD for that market.
I would think all the affiliates can get access to the SD and HD feeds, it's just a matter of the local channel ponying up the dough to buy the right equipment. Is it different for CW?
jtrippe 11-13-09, 07:48 AM www.montgomerytvandradio.com
WAKA-DT 8 11-13-09, 10:11 AM I would think all the affiliates can get access to the SD and HD feeds, it's just a matter of the local channel ponying up the dough to buy the right equipment. Is it different for CW?
It IS different with CW. The result is a CW decision, not the local station.
I'm not totally up on the whys, but the top 100 markets actually get a
feed that difffers somewhat from the 101+ markets. Locally (it is my understanding) WNCF has very little "local hands on" of CW. The feed is received and routed through a "spot box" which inserts and plays out the local commercials. These local commercials actually have to be shipped out in advance to the insertion center via electronic or physical means. This is then downloaed into the Montgomery spot box by the insertion center as a sort of playlist with the programming. Since all this is done in advance of the broadcast day, WNCF kinda acts like a babysitter for the transmitter. They do have the ability to "break in" as they do at 9pm to run the local news we produce for them (and they might drop in other local programs as well...I just don' know) but the whole 100+ model is quite differnt from a "normal" affiliate/network set up. I'm sure other factors play in to this relationship, and it may not apply to all 101+ stations, but again I'm not up on that.
Trip in VA 11-13-09, 10:36 AM WGSA, WWMB, and KNIN.
What do these stations have in common? They air two different CW feeds on their over the air signal. All were UPN affiliates before the merger.
As WAKA-DT 8 stated, there are two different things going on with CW.
In markets 1-100, it's a normal station-network relationship. Network provides network programming, local station airs syndication and local programming to fill the rest of the schedule.
In markets 101-210, however, this situation is different. The CW network has purchased across the board rights to syndicated programming that is then pre-packaged for air in all of those markets. This feed is only made available to local stations in SD at this time, being designed for digital subchannels and analog cable.
In the case of the three stations at the beginning of my message, those stations already had invested heavily in HD gear from their UPN days as well as in syndicated programming to fill out the non-network time. Rather than scrapping all of that, they are the only three markets in the 100-210 range that have a CW-HD feed. But they also show CW+ in SD on a subchannel.
Now I've been told by a very reliable source that CW+ in HD is coming in the future, but no solid timeframe was given.
WAKA-DT 8 gave you the more technical side differences, this is the legal/contractual difference, I suppose.
- Trip
Tom Servo 11-14-09, 11:59 PM Thank you Trip. I learn something new every day. (Today is: Don't live in a small market, lol!) Don't feel bad though, I went from market 40 to 187. We don't have an NBC, or a CW or My Network or ion or even a This or America One station. :(
Look David Woods, et al-
At 3:56 P.M. the DAL@GB game came back from a commercial and is in SD! Check your logs, it happened!
I'm turning it over to ABC and watching NASCAR. I didn't buy a HD TV for nothing. David Woods lost a viewer for the day.
sarasdad 11-15-09, 06:28 PM here we go again!:eek::):eek:
str8rcn 11-16-09, 06:35 PM In October I received a message from Charter on my Cable box about 5 new HD channels that we would receive in October including Disney HD.It even listed the channel numbers.Here it is Nov. 16th and none of these channels seem to be there.Does anyone have any info on this?
Straximus 11-18-09, 12:40 AM We had a new roof installed last week, so I hooked my DIY antenna (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16659460#post16659460) back up to the HDHomerun to see if my in-attic reception had changed for better or worse. (I installed a pre-amp since I last posted about this, btw.) I saw a slight improvement in signal quality, but still couldn't pick up 12 or 32/22. But, I got excited enough again to look into building a single channel VHF Ant for 12. While I was reading, I noticed a major flaw in my current build. The reflector needed to be 4" from the whiskers, and I had them much closer. I fixed that today, then did one more thing I should've done a while back. I took a laptop into the attic crawlspace with me so I could watch the levels myself as I positioned the antenna. My wife had watched them prior to this. She did a fine job, but the information exchange was rather high latency.
I found a pretty good spot. I now get 12 and 22 with very good signal strength and quality, but 8 is spotty at best. I don't know if I'll be able to find a better placement up there, but I'm much happier with it's current performance. If I can't fine tune it enough to get everything, I'll probably add another antenna at some point soon.
We're planning to cut the cable programming off soon, and just use OTA and the Internet for content. It was going to be easy to make the disconnect call, until Knology added 10 new clear QAM channels. Science Channel and BBC America will be tough to say 'bye' to after just gaining them.
Can you show us pics of the VHF antenna?
thanx
jtrippe 11-18-09, 10:10 AM I replaced some older cables with new monoprice.com RG6 quad-shielded cables hoping to get a little more db particularly on the Bham stations. I maybe got 1db gain. I also thought that signal strength got better as the weather turns colder. I'm getting the opposite. Maybe it's the leaves falling this time of year and I will see better numbers in the winter.
Straximus 11-18-09, 11:24 AM Can you show us pics of the VHF antenna?
thanx
I never built the VHF antenna, I was just looking into it. Once I fixed the reflector on my UHF ant, I was able to pick up 12. I was going to use these instructions (http://www.wfu.edu/~matthews/misc/dipole.html), which might give you an idea what it would've looked like. I'm just a little disappointed I don't have an excuse to make one now. But only a little. I've just about had my fill of finding my way across that crawl space. :p
Scott Smith 11-19-09, 07:11 PM Wooohooo!
Saturday 1 1/2 hours before the games started the bulb on my 52" Mitsubishi DLP went out.
I went to BB and picked out the Panasonic TC-P50S1 (1199.00). Got it up and running about 30 minutes into the game. I wasn't very happy with the picture. It was pale and dim. Today I returned it and got the Panasonic TC-P50G10 for 200.00 more.
Man am I happy. What an awesome picture!
jtrippe 11-20-09, 11:18 AM Which station would you like to have a local affiliate in Montgomery? www.montgomerytvandradio.com
What's going on? I was all set to watch the Alabama game on WCOV and Ark/MS. State is on. The on-screen guide and today's newspaper lists the Alabama game for WCOV.
jtrippe 11-21-09, 12:33 PM WCOV really screwed this one up. How can you show the out of state game!? It's on channel 446 on Dish.
sarasdad 11-21-09, 12:52 PM son of a **************88*and#####@32#$%^^&9
0h well it is Chattanooga you can see it on the computer ESPN 360 AL 14 Nooga zip
sarasdad 11-21-09, 12:59 PM Ok its on now first quarter gone 20 to zip
austinmm6 11-21-09, 01:50 PM WZDX in Huntsville had the same problem with the Alabama game on 54.1, but the other game was unaffected on 54.2.
jtrippe 11-21-09, 02:06 PM It appears it was an SEC issue. Not WCOV.
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