I can't get CBS 8 at all..did last week

Thank goodness analog will be around until 2009. Early adoptin' ain't all it's cracked up to be, eh? Glad I didn't buy a set. The cliff effect will be a lot more annoying than a little snow or airplane flutter. Hang in there, and remember, it's all about antennas.

The problem now seems to be a problem with the national feed as the local
programming comes through fine and 8.3 (weather) has both sound and video.
Another poster said 42.1 (B'ham) was okay so it must be something at WAKA.

Yep. Could be simple equipment failure or maybe the network is cramming too many bits per down the pipe for the setup to handle. Little misalignment of antennas due to weather, water, whatever, can wreak havoc if it's marginal to begin-with. All kinds of variables can effect digital that would largely go unnoticed in analog.

I know this question is getting a little old, but this is the only way to find out. Is Channel 8 off the air this morning.? My outside antenna picks up all HD but is having problem picking up 8. What would be the best compass setting from Dalraida? Thanks in advance.

I know this question is getting a little old, but this is the only way to find out. Is Channel 8 off the air this morning.? My outside antenna picks up all HD but is having problem picking up 8. What would be the best compass setting from Dalraida? Thanks in advance.


I'm getting a good signal from WAKA this morning (both national and local signals)
with no audio or video dropouts. Check Antennaweb.org for antenna direction.
However, the last I checked this site was showing WAKA digital as coming from Selma so aim your antenna around the WNCF digital location.

Selma is the city of liscense.. tower is S/E of Selma by 25 miles..

WNCF digital is from their downtown studio, not their tall tower out near us..

OK get the "what an Idiot messages ready". I went out and checked the direction of the antenna was pointed. Everything seemed OK. Then I noticed that the antenna must of slipped down the pole a half inch. I slipped it back up and WHOALA back to normal. :(

Aww.. "IT" happens.. thanks fo r the reports.. but only 1/2 INCH??

Believe it or not only 1/2 inch. Talk about sensitive.

I tuned in to 55 last night for a few min. Was up and down. I had a black screen with the CBS eye down at bottom right. I did get the radar but it droped alot. Sorry I have'nt done more. I just purchaded the Canon Realis SX50 Projector and have been playing wity it. Here's some screen shots.

http://darrylmann.homeip.net/gallery/HDTV

9AM Tue. Looks fine at my location. Rock solid all three streams. Cheap R/S yagi at 15' with 60' RG-6. 30 miles away.

Thanks W4!!

I'm getting a good signal from WAKA this morning (both national and local signals)
with no audio or video dropouts. Check Antennaweb.org for antenna direction.
However, the last I checked this site was showing WAKA digital as coming from Selma so aim your antenna around the WNCF digital location.

My mistake on the location of the tower. For some reason I thought WNCF was
broadcasting from out in the country.

Nah, not yet, as far as we know..

Thanks for the input there Stan!

Nah, not yet, as far as we know..

Thanks for the input there Stan!
Watched a little last night. No audio on 8-2. Others looked ok. Droped a few times.

Thanks, there should be SAP-Descriptive Video "audio" on 8-2 during CBS network...We'll have to double check that.

Is anybody else still getting freeze ups on the picture from WAKA, it'll freeze then go dark and then the picture comes back 2 or 3 seconds later? I'm just trying to make sure its not me. My signal is very good and stays very steady so I'm not dropping signal strength or anything when this occurs.

what model receiver?

Same thing here Tigerman. Was watching last night..68-70%..but would get Green screen every once in awhile. Have a DISH 811 receiver.

Grandpa do you see the gren screen during local or only during network time?

If I'm not mistaken..only during National programing.

Mine still below lock on levels. Does appear to be very stable, though. On the tuning screen, it shows as a 77-78. Think I have to have it around 83-85 before my receiver can use it.

Since it was bouncing into the 90s and staying there for a while this past Monday, I'm hesitant to reaim my antenna.

Green during network is an indication of hits in the HD feed from CBS, I suspect there is a problem there at WAKA with the CBS downlink.

We'll be doing some more transmitter work early next week, and will be off air some during that time. I'll keep you posted.

Mines a D* Zenith 520HD box...I'm not getting the green screen in what I've watched the picture will freeze and then go dark like dead air and then it will kick back in.....the local programming seems to be running fine. I'm not getting the green screen like I was the other night, this is almost like the program drops out.

WSFA sells to Raycom

On CSI I got the picture freeze and green screen enough to make it very annoying.

Same here SD4934..only got green screen on national programs..not on local. What do you think bdfox18doe..is it fixable in the near future? :rolleyes:

We're working on the problem with CBS, it could be several issues. Since I'm here in Charlotte, I can't just run down there to check it..However Mark and Thomas @ WAKA are
staying on the problem.

CSI is one of my wife's favorite programs. Last night, with great fanfare, I tuned in to 8.1 to let her experience the program in glorious HD. She was not a happy camper. Picture froze numerous times, displayed the "green screen" three or four times. After the first half hour she insisted we switch back to the analog channel. :(

At my location (near the Bell Rd. YMCA in East Montgomery), the signal is strong and consistently in the 80s on my Sony's reception scale.

They've still got some bugs they are trying to work out of the system, hopefully they'll get them resolved before too much longer. The picture when its not dropping out is very good.

Should be more better now, a problem was found with the CBS HD receiver and has been corrected..BUT, with the hurricane coming, HD won't be on the priority list this weekend..
and may delay the work we need to do at the transmitter.

Thanks to all for the reports and patience..

Question for bdfox18doe: Do you have any indication as to when Knology will add CBS-HD to the lineup? Something tells me we aren't going to make it before the college football season starts......

No, That would be a question for Mark @ WAKA..

It appears Katrina may be heading in our direction, so, I think WAKA and HD will take a back seat (and rightly so). Hopefully, this will be like the last hurricane (I forget the name) and will change directions and head away from us.

I am getting audio noise on 8.1 but 8.2 sounds ok. Anybody else?

Sounds clear now. Cold Case looks great. When will we get DD 5.1? It sounds awesome in Logic 7 anyway.

Bob,

Are you guys working at WAKA today??

My signal quality is going into the high 90s, then dropping below lockon at 81. Don't know if you were doing something of maybe the trees blowing around are giving me a periodic signal.

Anybody here?????

Well channel 8 seems to be up and running with a great picture and DD 5.1. The US Open looks and sounds awesome and I don't even like tennis. Question I have is are they going to just duplicate 8.2 or will they have different programing there in the future? Hope so!

8.2 will always be a duplicate, other than the audio, which is mono, SAP, or DVS when present. 8.2 is simply a virtual channel of 8.1 with it's secondary audio mapped as primary, so there is no way to air different programming on 8.2..

You can get 8.2 audio on 8.1 by toggling your receivers audio selection..that is if your receiver will allow you to do so.. :)

Ok, I got it. Thanks

Wasn't the NASCAR race tonight suppose to be HD?

Yes it is. I called WSFA news line and the lady said something was broke and its been broke all weekend but they are working on it. HD is not a priority at Channel 12.

Thanks for the reply..the only priority they have is to tell us when it is raining anywhere in lower Alabama.

You are correct, Sir! I noticed 8.1 is showing the CBS movie while 8.0 is showing the Jerry Lewis MD telethon. I like that.

I sent a email to WSFA Station Manager (handres@wsfa.com) expressing my disappoitment of their HD service and hoping the new owners Raycom will look into making it better.

Ok, I pointed my indoor antenna towards B'ham and locked onto 13.1. Wow, NASCAR in HD! WOOPEE! I got to get a life one of these days.

And now its in SD on 13.1. What the @#%& ??? I'm going to take a nap. Maybe by 2010 they will get it right!

My wife really enjoyed the US Open on CBS8. Thanks. This is the first year to be able to see it on Labor Day. The telethon raises lots of needed funds but it is not entertainment!

Ok, I pointed my indoor antenna towards B'ham and locked onto 13.1. Wow, NASCAR in HD! WOOPEE! I got to get a life one of these days.
What type of indoor antenna do you have? If it is strong enough to pick up Birmingham from Montgomery, then it should be able to pick up the Columbus, GA station from here in Auburn. An outdoor antenna is out of the question in my neighborhood but a good indoor antenna might be what I need. :D

Its a Zenith Silver Sensor antenna. However I cannot lock on to B'ham statons every night. Depends on the atmospher conditions. Tonight cannot get anything from 13.1 or 42.1. I tried to get Columbus but have only picked up 38 and 54 analog. Someone in another thread/post said they are not at full digital power yet.

An outdoor antenna is out of the question in my neighborhood but a good indoor antenna might be what I need. :D

Why is an outdoor antenna out of the question?

Anyone having problem with Channel 8 HD and the OPEN

I'm getting some breakups. The signal is fluctuating some and is not as strong as
it has been for the past few days. Thought it was maybe my trees but maybe not.

Thanks for reply..still doing it could be trees here also..

The CBS receiver was changed out this week at WAKA, if you kee p having breakups please
let us know..

(actually, call over and leave Mark Smith a message....)

Open day of the NFL and the dadgum signal is dead from WAKA. I hope they get it up and going before the games get cranked up today.

YEP...It is deader than a door nail

My HD antenna may be screwing up..But is the FOX pre-game show in HD??

It was here..well, not HD, but 480p widescreen..

No HD on the FOX pregame show, look on the bright side at least we don't have to watch the Falcons today on the noon game....LOL I guess we get no HD today from CBS.....we wait forever and the 1st big football weekend for them no football....LOL

Hello Bob, whats up with WAKA?

I have no idea, I haven't heard from them. However, as I have said before, the transmitter isn't quite complete and still has some issues that we need to deal with. Weather and crew issues from Katrina have prevented us from completing the work, so it's still not quite ready for primetime..

How disappointing. One gets all gearded up for a season of HD Football on CBS only to have the signal disappear on the first day of the season. Does anybody know what happened or if they plan on fixing it? I know it worked exceptionally well during the pre-season as I watched a couple of games.

Good News, WAKA is back up. Great picture with DD 5.1. US Open is next.

No glichtching or green slime?

Picture looks better than NFL on FOX last year or ABC MNF to me anyways. No green slime or dancing grass that I can see. I'm about 9 ft from a 47" screen.

Thanks blp!

Yep...WAKA looks great! Too bad we missed the football game. I hope this doesn't become a habit like WSFA. It seems that everytime NBC broadcast the NASCAR race, WSFA doesn't carry the signal. I hope the stations realize that many of us desire to have the HD signal during these sporting events. If they need to do maintence, etc, then do that stuff some other time.

Is there something wrong with WCOV now? It's 3:58, I'm watching the cowboys and it's not in HD.

Now we lost the HD feed from FOX. Not a good start for HD NFL Sunday.

Sometimes you wonder if all the money and effort we put into HD was worth it???? :mad: :mad:

The money "YOU" put into it? You should see what "WE" put into it...they don't give away
the equipment,transmitters, and electricity we use..and to get zero return on investment at this point..Unless you count the griping that goes on because something isn't in HD.. ;)

I thought it was a public law that stations had to switch to the digital signal. Don't shoot the citizens...it sounds like your concern rest with your elected officials!

Now get that HD signal back in operation and quit messing around on these message boards!

ha ha

Owwwch...

Ok, I'll just run down to Mawntgummery and fissit..be there in about 7 hours...

Wait, their transmitter is another hour out..make that 8 hours!!

Did you know it cost more to run WAKA-DT55 than it does WAKA-TV8..for electricity alone..

LOL - it was meant to be friendly banter. :) - it looks like WAKA got their act together although we missed an entire NFL game. I just hope this doesn't happen all the time. And, no. I don't know what your electricity bill runs, but I'm sure it ain't cheap. Keep up the good work keeping the signal up!

btw - FOX is back up. Of course, it's up during the halftime show. We'll see if they can keep it up during the rest of the game.

I sent a email to engineering@wcov.com and now HD is back. Is that all it takes? Right!

I'll Just sit back and read from now on.

Like I said..ya'all call Mark Smith....he's the Ops Manager there.. I think once we get the bugs worked out, you'll see good consistency from WAKA..They need to know you all are out there and expect it to work!

Reading puts me asleep. Hey, I got email back from WCOV saying its fixed and asking how long was it out. Good deal..I sent a email last week to WSFA station manager about why no HD NASCAR and he forward it to the Chief Engineer. Have not gotten a reply and don't expect to. I Like WCOV.

RE: Nascar on WSFA - I, too, sent an e-mail to Hoyt Andres @ WSFA concerning Nascar during the Aug 7 & Aug 14 race. He did send it to his chief engineer, Craig Young. The following is what they sent me. Now, this doesn't explain what happened during the Sep 4 race at California. That entire race was not in HD. Mr. Andres was on vacation during that time and has yet to reply with an explanation.

From Craig Young, August 17: We have been having intermittent problems with the NBC receiver that we get HD on for some time. The first week Nascar problem was cured when we reset the HD receiver. There was no warning that anything was wrong until the program came up. We have no way to look at this ahead of time until an actual HD signal comes down from the Network. The second week was a problem with the transmission from NBC coming to us. According to them bad weather at the transmission site cause the problems that day. We think we have finally found the source, last night, of the intermittent problem we have been experiencing. We are working with NBC to resolve it and hope to have it repaired for this weekend. Remember, this is new to all of us and we have to learn new troubleshooting techniques as this is totally different from analog television. The cost of converting is tremendous, so we have only 1 of everything in the chain at this time. This will improve over time but not overnight. I hope this helps explain what has been happening.

Remember, this is new to all of us and we have to learn new troubleshooting techniques as this is totally different from analog television.
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An understatement, to say the least! :eek:

DTV is so new that most engineers rely on the early-adopters to tell them when there is a problem. That's why some will expose themselves on forums such as this one. Then there are those who won't give you the time of day. So kudos to the CrackPot DTv Engnear.

Agreed! I do applaud those like CrakPot DTv Engnear and the crew at WSFA (Mr. Andres, and Mr. Young). Additionally, Mr. Witt @ WCOV is on the job. We have exchanged a few e-mails now concerning their broadcast.

Again...thanks!

Yes, thank-you Bob. I have learned things from you and I'm no engnear.

I understand it's all new. We are not trying to be mean. Just letting everyone know what's going on on the receiving side. At least we have a few that is working with us.

Fox yesterday. No biggie. but a couple of bumps while switching between local comercials and national. Programs ran great.

NBC Saterday during the "Saterday Night Live first 5 Years" Someone was messing with something. LOL Droped out a lot about in the middle of program.

Hi Folks. Mark from WAKA. Sorry about being off during the beginning of NFL yesterday,
but as Bob said earlier, we still have a few issues to resolve. Looks like we got back up around 12:55. Bob and his guys from Charlotte have put together a first-class transmission facility at WAKA, and once completed should serve all of us well. Please know that we never plan outages around HD programming, so if that happens you know
something beyond our control has popped up. FYI, we have a NFL doubleheader this weekend: Jacksonville @ Indy and Cleveland @ Green Bay. JAX is NOT offered in HD, so
"please do not attempt to adjust your set".

Welcome Mark.

Glad that you dropped in.

Yes, Welcome Mark. Please keep us informed on the goings on at WAKA. Looking forward to Sunday's NFL.

Now WNCF can't keep their HD signal going for Monday Night Football. It's on, it's off. There's sound, there's no sound. All four major networks in Montgomery can not keep it on. I think PBS is the only one capable of keeping it on. The networks ought to go over there and see what their secret is. :-)

... All four major networks in Montgomery can not keep it on. I think PBS is the only one capable of keeping it on. The networks ought to go over there and see what their secret is. :-)


And you with your vast experience can do any better? :mad:

Now WNCF can't keep their HD signal going for Monday Night Football. It's on, it's off. There's sound, there's no sound. All four major networks in Montgomery can not keep it on. I think PBS is the only one capable of keeping it on. The networks ought to go over there and see what their secret is. :-)
You should blame the FCC and EIA and other lobby groups. The broadcasters and consumers were happy with NTSC. You would be happier now with COFDM but that's a non-issue. Where were you during the time "PBS" was off for days? :-)

WAKA DT will be off and on today and tomorrow as we continue plant work. This will usually
be during the daytime, and we will make every effort to be up in time for HD programming.

W4IMM - That's what I told the "enginears" in an earlier post. I'm not a lawmaker, don't blame me because they can't comply with the rules of the business.

Hey Mark can you get CBS to switch the HD to the Jacksonville/Indy game...it's the better of the 2...LOL Nah, I'm ready for some college football on Saturdays. Somebody mentioned earlier the problems w/ the Monday Night game, I think that was network issues, reading the thread on the game under the programming board, the same thing was happening throughout the game in other cities.

I live in Millbrook and would like to know what station cbs is broadcasting on

sarasdad,

If you're on Brighthouse cable, its not on there yet. Millbrook is on Brighthouse, right??

If you're OTA (over the air antenna), channel 8. Depending on how your HD tuner works, you may have to scan for the channel.

I have ota but the transmit channel is not 8 somewhere in the 50's and it is not there

Try punching in 55.1 after turning your antenna SSW or SW.

is it on now

55 is the RF channel. On a HD tuner, you should it on 8.

I have an outside 25 ft antenna and cannot lock on to signal.The signal goes from 49 to 53 so I am not able to lock.All other stations good. Any ideas

Are you using an amplifier on the antenna coax?

I tried a amp I got from radio shack and it did not work.In fact it stopped other channels

What type of antenna do you have and if it directional which way do you have it pointing....I had mine pointing originally in a SSE direction to pick up the HD channels and when WAKA came online I had to move it to more SSW to pick up WAKA, but mine is sitting in my attic so that affects the reception a little bit. The WAKA tower is out towards Selma, you might have to adjust your antenna to really lock it down, you should still be able to pick up the other channels w/o any issue or at least I haven't had any problems.

Regarding games this weekend on the BIG 8:
Saturday: Alabama/South Carolina NOT offered in HD (2pm). Tennessee/Florida IS in HD (7pm).
On Sunday, as per my earlier post.

Im using uhf and vhf antenna and it is pointing in correct direction. I can only get 49 mostly signal but it will go as high as 56 but wont lock on.

Strange I'm in Millbrook right off Browns Rd and I'm getting it not full signal in my attic but around 90 or so and very steady. Is your wiring good, could something be wrong w/ the antenna or an obstruction messing w/ the signal?? I'm not an expert by any means but it seems strange that your signal isn't that strong outside in the same area I'm in.

please tell me what type antenna you are using

Question: Tuned into Letterman last night..was not in HD ...is WAKA showing it in HD?

Question: Tuned into Letterman last night..was not in HD ...is WAKA showing it in HD?

I don't believe it's broadcast in HD yet but will be later this month.

Looks like the signal level on 8 has increased slightly for over here in Jasmine Hills. Still can't lock on. Maybe they can juice it up a little.

Hopefully, the part for my extention ladder will come in tomorrow where I can play with adjusting the antenna aim. Most my favorite shows are on CBS and it'll be nice to watch them in HD.

Does anyone know when Brighthouse cable will have 8 and 20 in their HD offering??

Letterman is in HD, it started a couple of weeks back, there may have been a rerun or something last night, who knows. I am using a VF-90 from RatShack, I have a preamp hooked up also, it works very well and I pick up all the stations, the only issue I have is w/ WNCF in the afternoons is squirrely, but in the evenings when the HD is running I pick up everything fine.

WAKA-HD on Knology

Does anyone know when WAKA will broadcast HD over Knology in Montgomery?

I have not been able to get an answer from either WAKA or Knology (and I have tried e-mailing WAKA).

Just wondering if we will be able to watch this weekend's games in HD on Knology.

Sans unforseen circumstances,
the plan is for WAKA-DT to be on KNOLOGY channel 902 by Saturday morning.
This will be the only cable system for now...but we're working with others.

WAKA HD is on Knology 902. It is a shame ALA-SC is not HD, but at least FLA-Tenn is.

This is for Tigerman...... Wht type antenna are you using for HD 8 in Millbrook

I need to know what type antennas you all are using to receive local HD TV


Antenna requirements vary with locations from transmission towers.

Where are you and what are you using to tune HD channels??

Hopefully, the part for my extention ladder will come in tomorrow where I can play with adjusting the antenna aim.

Please don't fall off thee roof, ok?? :eek:

Please don't fall off thee roof, ok?? :eek:


Believe me, that's seriously on my mind.

Part came this afternoon. Think I'll tackle it in the morning.

Please post the results,ok>?

....(or give wifey your login so she can send us hospital info)...

Am I the only one not getting Threshold on Channel 8 in HD?

Am I the only one not getting Threshold on Channel 8 in HD?

No, you're not the only one. I was looking forward to this one and stuck through two commercial breaks to see if we would get HD. I would probably have stuck with it if we had HD. Not sure if this is a local problem or a problem with the CBS signal.

No, you're not the only one. I was looking forward to this one and stuck through two commercial breaks to see if we would get HD. I would probably have stuck with it if we had HD. Not sure if this is a local problem or a problem with the CBS signal.


Thanks for the reply..you never can tell it if it my TV or station.

According to www.titantv.com Threshold should be in HD. I guess WAKA screwed up again. I am not surprised. :mad:

Anyone in Millbrook who is recieving CBS 8, let me know your type of antenna and location.I am on Linda Ann Drive. I believe I may have problems with trees . I can get all other stations but CBS. I hope to experiment this weekend.
Thanks

Well, got the antenna reaimed and now am able to pick up channel 8 fairly strong. Signal strength went from 79 to 95. Was able to do it without a decrease in the other channels signal strength which was a concern. Didn't want to gain one station while loosing another. Putting the replacement part on the extention ladder was far more of a pain than actually aiming the antenna.

sarasdad
I'm next to Jasmine Hill Gardens in Blueridge so I don't know if what I'm using would apply to you. I'm using a Channelmaster 4228 with amplifier with the antenna on 10' mast on top of a high peak of the roof. I think Stan may be closer to you and may be able to provide aiming information to get all channels. I think he may also have a better antenna/amplifier combination than what I'm using.

That's good news Jim, glad to hear you didn't fall off the roof to boot! :)

I think I found problem, trees. I managed to lock on to waka this morning early but still had dropouts. Not able to get signal now. Is there an antenna that will help with trees or reflections.

Thanks JimP for info

sarasdad,

Are you using an amplifier on the antenna?? Makes a huge difference.

I tried radio shack amp but it decreased all signals

I have old antenna about 20 years old also radio shack and it picks up all staions ok but 8

I tried radio shack amp but it decreased all signals

Sounds like a bad amplifier. Might want to try it again.

It was two part, right? One that connects up at the antenna and another piece just before the TV that also provide the power supply for the amplifier.

yes it cost about $49.00

any suggestions on new amp

If you were wanting to pick it up today, I think I'd just go out to Lowe's to see what they have.

If you're willing to wait, then calling these people for recommendations would be the thing to do. http://www.antennasdirect.com/?utm_source=Google+Adwords&utm_medium=PPC&utm_term=tv+antennas

thank you

any suggestions on new amp

I'm in Elmore about half way between Wetumpka and Millbrook. I'm using an AntennasDirect 43XG with a ChannelMaster 7775 Amp and am having very good results with all of the area HD signals. For directions for pointing your antenna you can go to http://www.antennaweb.org and enter your address and it will give you the compass orientation for all the area stations. Once CBS was on the air I did have to adjust my antenna so that I got CBS as well as the other stations.

My problem is trees I believe

I have old antenna about 20 years old also radio shack and it picks up all staions ok but 8

I'd say try a new antenna..remember, WAKA-DT is on CH 55... :)

sarahsdad

Just how attached are you to the trees?? buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I wish not mine

Well, the next hurricane comes thru..you could go out in the middel of the storm with a chainsaw, or a rope tied to your truck...

Watching TN/FL right now. The picture and sound are both great. I compared it with the HD game on ESPN2 (on D*-HD lite). The OTA CBS feed blows ESPN2 away.

Can you check to see if CC is there and let me know? Thanx!

Bob, I don't get CC with the HD signal. I checked my cable feed (SD) and the CC was there. I don't get it with any of my HD signals.

Thx, we'll re-check that.

Antenna Web recommends that I have a large directional antenna. Radio Shack has one with a 120 in. boom I am current using one with 80 in. Is there much difference in 2. With older I am able to receive all but CBS. Anyone think this new antenna might help.

Thx, we'll re-check that.
I'm getting CC on my LG-4200A STB.

Thanks, I'd say it's working then. Good deal..!

Thanks, I'd say it's working then. Good deal..!

Yea, it's fine here now. I had never used CC and so I turned it on in my TV's
menu but didn't check my sat receiver. I turned it on there and it's fine.

FYI, we have a NFL doubleheader this weekend: Jacksonville @ Indy and Cleveland @ Green Bay. JAX is NOT offered in HD, so
"please do not attempt to adjust your set".

LOL - too good to be true. It turns out that NEITHER of their games are in HD. ha ha

newbie....

Sorry about the HD on the NFL game. We're having a receiver problem. Back as soon as we can.

Great HD picture and DD 5.1 sound now. Looks better than NFL on FOX to me.

The picture and sound are very good..I seem to have problem with the sound on FOX..it seems lower than the other HD channels.

Anyone else have problems with Channel 8 HD?..Keeps going in and out on me.

Anyone else have problems with Channel 8 HD?..Keeps going in and out on me.


I'm having problems. Tried adjusting my antenna but that didn't seem to help.
Seems like I get a much stronger signal, or at least a less problematic one, at night from WAKA. I'm sure atmospheric conditions and, probably, my trees (which
I am planning to have cut down at some point) are big factors. Anybody know
what signal strength WAKA is now?

I think channel 8 is still tweaking the antenna..I get between 70 and 75.

My signal strength is in the same range as yours, although, today, on occassion it does drop down for brief periods. Of course, with today's game, it doesn't matter that much. Wonder when WAKA will go to full power (If they haven't already)?

Question about WSFA...I am recieving a good signal and can get 12-3, but 12-1 and 12-2 will not come in. Any ideas? Thanks!

Question about WSFA...I am recieving a good signal and can get 12-3, but 12-1 and 12-2 will not come in. Any ideas? Thanks!

I haven't had any problems. Don't have any ideas. Have you tried restarting your receiver (that seems to be the general answer if you call technical support)?

I am having a lot of sound dropouts on wsfa.The hd programs seem to drop out the center channel while surround is still on.PBS HD sound out of sync. I was able to lock on to waka yesterday from 8:30 am till 9:30,but after that picture comes and go's mostly gone.I did finally get to see a small amount of HD football on waka and it was great.I got to figure this out for next weeks game.

Why do they think we are idiots and have to have the Tornado watch constantly on the screen? They could keep it up a minute than down for five.

WAKA - Would you be so kind as to turn on the HD for the Pats @ Steelers game today? Pretty Please! :-) Many, Many Thanks!

Yes, please turn on HD, NASCAR is about over.

http://www.waka.com/customers/103100210430690/images/banner_cbs_8_digital_TV_2.jpg

Those poor knology customers think they are getting HD on WAKA! LOL

Speaking of NASCAR, it will be on NBC the rest of the season. We'll see if Hoyt Andres and the gang at WSFA are capable of broadcasting it in HD. They had difficulties the last three races broadcast on that channel.

Speaking of NASCAR, it will be on NBC the rest of the season. We'll see if Hoyt Andres and the gang at WSFA are capable of broadcasting it in HD. They had difficulties the last three races broadcast on that channel.
The only problem with WSFA they will not interupt church. Today the PGA was on at 11:00AM but here it was JIP after the Church service.

I'll be the first to admit that I know nothing about television transmitters, as the "enginears" so eloquently point out. However, please help me understand this question. Why is it that the prime time shows are shown in HD, all the ones that I have seen anyway, but there is always a problem with getting the mid-day sports programs to broadcast in HD? It is a consistent pattern.

I'll be the first to admit that I know nothing about television transmitters, as the "enginears" so eloquently point out. However, please help me understand this question. Why is it that the prime time shows are shown in HD, all the ones that I have seen anyway, but there is always a problem with getting the mid-day sports programs to broadcast in HD? It is a consistent pattern.

'cause we like seeing your posts... :D

I'll let Mark answer that question..

I called WAKA newsroom and the guy said he knew nothing about the game being in HD and no engineer on duty. Guess we lose out again.

WAKA has ONE (1) engineer, who is way overworked..and he can't work all the time..

The newsroom wouldn't know anything about HD anyway..

Well, how hard is it to teach someone to flip a switch if thats the problem.

I don't get it either. They brag about having HD (on their website and in some newscasts). Yet, they are not really capable of providing HD service.

Cheers to WCOV today. They got it right. The game looked great on that channel. WAKA blew it. Let's hope that my feed with ESPNHD tonight goes well. I have to rely on Charter to get that. And, they screwed it up last week....

Locals don't care ...it's not like they have competition and people don't complain enough.

Flipping a switch to make HD probably won't work when the content isn't in HD.

WAKA has ONE (1) engineer, who is way overworked..and he can't work all the time..

The newsroom wouldn't know anything about HD anyway..


I think the reason people call the the newsroom is that they've found that after hours and on weekends this is the only number that stations answer and in most cases, they can "flip the switch" or whatever it takes to get the HD feed going.

Flipping a switch to make HD probably won't work when the content isn't in HD.

especially when it's not as simple as flipping a switch, as most here think it is..

especially when it's not as simple as flipping a switch, as most here think it is..


o.k., flipping ...two switches... :)

Nothing is easy around here.

Flipping a switch to make HD probably won't work when the content isn't in HD.

The content WAS in HD. It was the national game on CBS. They only flashed their fancy "CBS-HD" graphic five times and spoke about how proud they were to be broadcasting in HD.

WAKA failed....

Anybody else having problems with WSFA signal varying such that you loose the signal for a while, then it comes back??

Anybody else having problems with WSFA signal varying such that you loose the signal for a while, then it comes back??

Since Last night. :(

I came in this morning to post the same question, my signal seems to be ok, I'm just getting audio dropouts bad. I couldn't even watch last night it was like every other word was dropping out.

Yes, I was getting audio dropouts also last night. There was/is a thread in programming section about it. Seems to be a network problem at NBC.

Well, i'm afraid we have blood on our hands from yesterday. The operator on duty
failed to give you HD on that NFL game. No excues, and he will be reprimanded.
I might have caught it, but was out of town.

Now, as far as calling in to the news department......well, good luck. They have
been educated on HD, but really don't know what's going on (they're NEWS people). A suggestion: ask them to inform the Master Control Operator of your call specifics.
Please DO continue to call.

Again, my apologies.

I thought WSFA was down when I came home this afternoon. I was getting a strong signal on my signal strength meter but I was getting no picture or sound on 12.1,2 or 3. I then found the channels on 14.3,4,5. This has happened before
(except last time it was 14.1,2,3) and will eventually revert back to 12.1, etc.
This morning my signal was very erratic.

All these posts would seem to point to the fact that Fox now rates better than its original lowly place as the 4th network. Of course, the poor overworked affiliate operator at WCOV will forget to throw the switch sometime and they will revert. This is good stuff. I'm glad I found this group.

Is the sound on WSFA having trouple?

Moving from Montgomery to Wetumpka turned up the downside that others have mentioned. Brighthouse cable is a bit slow to adopt HD content. CBS and Fox are both absent from their lineup. I can almost understand CBS, it is fairly new. But to still be in "negotiation" (as they put it) for Fox is absurd after all this time.

I may have to put up an antenna for the interim. That sucks.

I'd sure like to be watching ESPN2 HD tonight, but that won't happen either.

NeedMoreToys,

Picking a HD service provider for the next two years will likely be a moving target. I believe that after that, they'll all be mostly the same and it'll come down to pricing.

Brighthouse has their HD DVR that is name based that makes watching content a much better experience, provided your stations are on there. Couple that with an OTA antenna for the HD locals that aren't on the Brighthouse and you have a fairly viable system.

If you've got a clear line of sight (no trees blocking view of satellite) Dish Networks would be the better alternative for more HD content for now. They've got the 10 Voom HD channels that they're planning to expand to 21. Problem is that you might still find yourself setting up a outdoor antenna and if you go DVR, may have to manually enter a lot of the record information that a name based system automates.

Seems like that is the biggest problem for all HD channels when they also show sd shows and commercials. I dont know what all goes on. Seems like they could leave it on High for the HD channels. I dont mind watching commercials in boxes. Some of em even look better boxed. Only way to fix it is something be added in the stream from the networks to auto switch when a high def signal is being sent. But I dont know how all that works.

Because, with the exception of FOX, the HD feed is NOT always present to go to.
None of the networks provide any signal saying "this is in hd" to automatically
control the swithcing.

Because, with the exception of FOX, the HD feed is NOT always present to go to.

I don't think I quite understand that comment. Will you elaborate a little?

Is WSFA's Digital signal screwed up? Or, is it just me? The Apprentice Trump is jumpy and cutting in and out. I know this partiular program is broadcast in HD, but the regular standard definition digital signal is not right. I hope they have this little glitch fixed by this Sunday's NASCAR race at Talladega.

Is WSFA's Digital signal screwed up? Or, is it just me?
My indoor receiving setup leaves a lot to be desired but I am getting good signal levels and the breakups as you describe.

Same problem w WSFA on knology.

Same problem w WSFA on knology. My bet is on their digital microwave. Not a lot they can do with it, if so, since it is multiplexed on the same waveguide as their analog. Digital works better on wires than through the ether. It will never be as smooth as analog unless the coding is somehow changed to provide more redundancy - so that you can lose a few bits without jerking around the picture. This is the price we have to pay for relatively clean pictures. Is it worth it? Not to me but I stand on the edge of obsolence with most things.

WAKA-DT kept freezing up during CSI. After the first few minutes of it, I had to switch over to SD analog on my cable provider.

Anybody else??

WAKA-DT kept freezing up during CSI. After the first few minutes of it, I had to switch over to SD analog on my cable provider.

Anybody else??

I watched CSI and Then Without A trace..Did not have any problem. I am only getting 70 to 75 percent.

I watched CSI and Then Without A trace..Did not have any problem. I am only getting 70 to 75 percent.

Oh really?

Guess I'll be going up the ladder again. :eek:

I don't think I quite understand that comment. Will you elaborate a little?


FOX keeps the Hd feed up at all times during network programming, and they upconvert programs that are not HD..the other networks only do this during primetime..

Bob,

Thought you might be a good one to ask this.

My local cable company over here in Wetumpka is Brighthouse. On the premium channels like HBO, which are digital standard definition, the picture quality is very good and sometimes rivels HD. Much better than analog SD of the network stations.

First, would changing the major networks like NBC, CBS, ABC and Fox to digital provide the same picture quality improvement as say a HBO? Are there other reasons where a cable provider might not want to do this??

Bob,

First, would changing the major networks like NBC, CBS, ABC and Fox to digital provide the same picture quality improvement as say a HBO? Are there other reasons where a cable provider might not want to do this??

Not Bob, but do you mean take the local stations' OTA analog signals and convert them to digital at the headend, or take the local stations' OTA DTV signals and convert them to QAM at the headend, or ? Cable companies don't want to do anything that costs money anyway.

Not Bob, but do you mean take the local stations' OTA analog signals and convert them to digital at the headend, or take the local stations' OTA DTV signals and convert them to QAM at the headend, or ? Cable companies don't want to do anything that costs money anyway.


I was under the impression that cable companies had their own satillite connection for content from ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox. Then they add the local commercials and local programming with something called an inserter. (Please don't tell me that they get their signal from the local stations with an outdoor antenna like the rest of us)

Don't know where the digital to analog conversion occurs, but it would seem to me that if the network programming originates as digital, then keeping it digital would be better than the analog signal that I currently get on cable.

(Please don't tell me that they get their signal from the local stations with an outdoor antenna like the rest of us).

Yes, that is the way it works..where on earth did you get such a misconception that it was done differently? :confused:

Edit: A lot of catv's get their feed of the ANALOG signal via direct fiber to the station..Most all of the HD is picked up OTA, as their is no advantage or quality
improvement in doing so as with analog..

Yes, that is the way it works..where on earth did you get such a misconception that it was done differently? :confused:


Someone at the cable company, where else. lol

Have to admit, their story sounds good. :rolleyes:

They do that for cable networks, not local OTA's..

CATV= Clueless about TeleVision...

Hey guys... it's been a while.

I really thought we'd have a shot at getting WAKA-DT, but it ain't happening in Luverne. The only digital network we get is WSFA-DT. We have one of the big CM antennas with the CM amp... still a no go. I guess we are just too far away.

Anyone know what the chances are of getting a waiver from WAKA, WCNF, and WCOV to allow us to receive the CBS, ABC, and FOX in HD from Directv? I know I can get the HD channels but I'd like to do it the right way.

[QUOTE=JimP] Then they add the local commercials and local programming with something called an inserter.

Cable companies only insert over the "cable" channels that they have an arrangement with to do so.....most of them I would guess. Maybe not the movie channels but I don't know. They would insert over local channels if they could do it and not get caught.

Hey guys... it's been a while.

I really thought we'd have a shot at getting WAKA-DT, but it ain't happening in Luverne. The only digital network we get is WSFA-DT. We have one of the big CM antennas with the CM amp... still a no go. I guess we are just too far away.

Anyone know what the chances are of getting a waiver from WAKA, WCNF, and WCOV to allow us to receive the CBS, ABC, and FOX in HD from Directv? I know I can get the HD channels but I'd like to do it the right way.

Sonnie, when I had E* I tried to get a waiver from WAKA repeatedly so E* could
give me their HD CBS feed. They were adamant about not giving a waiver (it may be company policy) and never budged an inch. I doubt things would be much different unless you were unable to recieve a local CBS feed (Hd or not). Not sure about the other stations policies since, at the time, the CBS feed was the only one available. Of course D* has plans to have all local HD channels eventually, but since we are not one of the top 50 or even 100 markets it will be a while for us.

Has anyone down towards Montgomery tried to receive WBRC-DT today? They upped their power and should be watchable a good part of the way to Montgomery.

dtv4u

What is the channel number?

What is the channel number?
50 maps to 6-1.

Ok, thanks..No signal but 42 and 13 won't lock tonite either. Bad Mojo. Using a indoor antenna is not going to help much.

Sonnie, when I had E* I tried to get a waiver from WAKA repeatedly so E* could
give me their HD CBS feed. They were adamant about not giving a waiver (it may be company policy) and never budged an inch. I doubt things would be much different unless you were unable to recieve a local CBS feed (Hd or not). Not sure about the other stations policies since, at the time, the CBS feed was the only one available. Of course D* has plans to have all local HD channels eventually, but since we are not one of the top 50 or even 100 markets it will be a while for us.

Locals will not give waivers nor do they want people to have a choice. Competition is not good.

Has channel 12 completely gone haywire?

Last night on wsfa hd shows Only sound was surround no dialog at all.This has happened before.

Last night on wsfa hd shows Only sound was surround no dialog at all.This has happened before.


Good to know it just wasn't me :) Would putting the sound through a stereo receiver do away with the problem? And I hope it will be fixed for the race today. Thanks.

on the other channel 12 SD sound was ok but not in Dolby Digital

I installed radio shack pre amp and proud to say I am now able to watch WAKA . At exactly half time the game went blank and I thought amp had gone bad or station problems.OOPS it was my antenna. It had moved.Sorry for bad thoughts Mark.

I installed radio shack pre amp and proud to say I am now able to watch WAKA . At exactly half time the game went blank and I thought amp had gone bad or station problems.OOPS it was my antenna. It had moved.Sorry for bad thoughts Mark.


Must have been some wild party for the antenna to get moved. :D

No party.I did not have out side antenna secure. I have it out side patio door and only have to move for waka. Other stations I can pick up in same direction.

I installed radio shack pre amp and proud to say I am now able to watch WAKA . At exactly half time the game went blank and I thought amp had gone bad or station problems.OOPS it was my antenna. It had moved.Sorry for bad thoughts Mark.

What pre-amp from radio shack did you get and how much better was your reception?

Radio shack antenna mounted high gain amp Catalog 15-2507 $59.99.I was not able to recieve CBS at all signal was 49, now it is 76 on dish network 811 reciever.FOX went from 60 to 70, wsfa 80 to 86 abc 63 to 73 appx.

Radio shack antenna mounted high gain amp Catalog 15-2507 $59.99.I was not able to recieve CBS at all signal was 49, now it is 76 on dish network 811 reciever.FOX went from 60 to 70, wsfa 80 to 86 abc 63 to 73 appx.

Thanks for the info. I also have DISH with 811. Love my DISH.. :) :)

Anyone else have sound problems on wsfa hd programs?

what station in B'HAM can we get in Montgomery?

WSFA looks great today and in HD....so far. WAKA is in HD...so far. However, WCOV reverted back to SD after a commercial. That's the update as of 1:00 P.M.

WCOV came back on in HD at 1:15 P.M.

what station in B'HAM can we get in Montgomery?
On good nights I can lock onto NBC 13 and CBS 42. FOX 6 went full power but not able to lock it yet due to the conditions. I'm using a ZEN Silver Sensor indoor antenna with a amp. Check this site for tropo conditions: http://home.cogeco.ca/~dxinfo/tropo.html

blp

Is that the same as the Zenith Silver Sensor????

blp

Is that the same as the Zenith Silver Sensor????
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Yes, thats the one. Got if off of buy.com last year I think.

WOW! Big crash and JR is in it.

On good nights I can lock onto NBC 13 and CBS 42. FOX 6 went full power but not able to lock it yet due to the conditions. I'm using a ZEN Silver Sensor indoor antenna with a amp. Check this site for tropo conditions: http://home.cogeco.ca/~dxinfo/tropo.html


Which AMP?

Which AMP?

Its a Zenith ZEN-AA1, Part #1010 at Amazon.com

Hey guys... it's been a while.

I really thought we'd have a shot at getting WAKA-DT, but it ain't happening in Luverne. The only digital network we get is WSFA-DT. We have one of the big CM antennas with the CM amp... still a no go. I guess we are just too far away.

Anyone know what the chances are of getting a waiver from WAKA, WCNF, and WCOV to allow us to receive the CBS, ABC, and FOX in HD from Directv? I know I can get the HD channels but I'd like to do it the right way.


Sonnie- How well are you receiving WAKA analog? Is your digital pointed towards
Gordonsville (essentially towards Greenville for you)?

I live about 1/2 way between Luverne and Elba a little SW of Brantley in Bullock. I have a 50ft tower and CM4228 antenna with rotor. I am using a Radio Shack HD receiver. I get the following Digital stations all locked.
2=WDIQ
4= WTVY
8= WAKA
12= WSFA
26= WAIQ
34= WDFX
43= WGIQ
48= WFBD

Sometimes scanned and sometimes locked.
3= WEAR
5= WKRG
6= WCTV
10= FOX10
13= WLOX
15= WPMI
18=WDHN
23= WSRE
38= WLTZ
41= WIIQ
42= WAIT & WEIQ
44= WJTC
55= WXTX

As far as Ch12 with their sound and/or Video problems which seems often I have found that when C12 HD was off or the sound is screwed. I could tune to Ch 14 and it was ok. I did this last week when they went off or had sound problems during prime time on 3 seperat ocassions.

Hmmm... I just got an inbox full of e-mail notifications from AVS... not sure what happened.


I have the CM Quantum 1162 and a CM 7777 Titan II (26db gain UHF). Right now I have it pointed north for WSFA.

Here's a map:

http://www.snapbug.ws/images/map01.gif

Here's antennaweb.org map:

http://www.snapbug.ws/images/map02.gif


I suppose since WSFA is only 16-17 miles from me that I could point the antenna to WAKA and still get WSFA with no problems.

I still don't think I'll ever get WCOV or WNCF digitals though... since they are downtown Montgomery.

klyde... I know exactly where Bullock is... do you know Steve and Becky Prescott?

Btw... my 1162 is on a rotor and is about 20' off the ground. We live on top of a hill too. I may have to get it up higher anyway. I also don't want to have to rotor the antenna all the time.

Yes they live at the botten of the hill, I was in the Fire Dept with him.
Im right across from the water tower, down at the bottem at the edge of the treeline. You cant see the house from the road.
I have a 2 story house with a deck on the back and the tower mounted on the deck. The deck is 22ft off the ground in back the land continues to slope down. So Im above Brantley but the top of the tower just peaks over the hill lookig to the South.

The rotor I have is a Channel Master with remote and is programmable. So I just programmed it to the stations and the Rat Shack receiver uses the same IR freq. SO I use the rotor remote to tune the stations and the rotor at the same time. I did have a Rat Shack Deep Fringe UHF/VHF but the Hurricane broke off some of the VHF elements. The 4228 pickes up 8 and 12 VHF with no problems.

I dont see 11 on antenna web.org, what is it?
I also dont get 33.1 Ozark, do you?

Have you seen WRJM-DT 48 from Troy yet. They were supposed to be operational the biggining of 2004.

Becky and I worked together for several years... good girl.

I have that same rotor with the remote but my wife likes to flip back and forth so much she'd get too impatient waiting on the rotor to move the antenna.

11 is WDIQ-DT 2.1 PBS DOZIER

No I do not get 33.1 ... the only digital station I get period is WSFA-DT but I haven't moved my antenna either, yet.

48 popped up in my channel scan but I got no signal on it. If they place the DT tower on the same tower as their analog (WSFA tower) then I should be able to get it when I pick up WSFA, but if it's in Troy then I'll have to move the antenna. I need to call Buddy Johnson at 67 and ask him what the plans are. He lives here in Luverne.

I'm gonna try moving the antenna some within the next few days and see what happens. I'll keep you posted.

if you tell me what station you want Ill give you the compass reading so you can see.

WAKA is about the only other one I'd be interested in that I think I'm gonna be able to get. I'm already pointed north to 20 and 32 and can't get them.

If they place the DT tower on the same tower as their analog (WSFA tower) then I should be able to get it when I pick up WSFA, but if it's in Troy then I'll have to move the antenna.

Only WSFA (analog & digital) and WCOV (analog) are on the WSFA tower. WRJM (analog) is down towards Troy, east of Hwy. 231, across the road from WBMM. Don't know the name of the community.

You must be in a hole. I get 8 almost 360 degrees. Its the same compas orentation as 32
Antenna web puts it at 325 degrees 32 is 327 degrees.
But 20 is 28 degrees.
I am aimed due north for Ch 8 digital as the strongest signal level, the same place for Ch 32 Analog.
I get Ch 8 Signal level at about 96.