I was looking at it because PBJ may be added there - there is no way I can get it in the Berkshires, I then started researching WFNY ans could not find any information about it.
Here's the station's website, including a map of its coverage area http://www.am1440wfny.bizz.cc/ (warning: it looks like a 13-year-old made the site in 1998 using Geocities). 1440AM is a radio station owned by the same guy. The site is about both the TV and radio stations.

I don't see anything about their programming on the site other than this: "WFNY-CA provides viewers with informative and entertaining shows, public service boards and overnights, a simulcast of WFNY-AM."

I have been having a heck of a time trying to pull in WNYA 51-1 in on my rooftop antenna in Ballston Spa lately. Prior to about a month ago it was about 40-50% SS with hardly any problems. Last weeks Yankee game kept dropping out and I can hardly get a signal at all today. Anyone else having any issues?

Here's the station's website, including a map of its coverage area http://www.am1440wfny.bizz.cc/ (warning: it looks like a 13-year-old made the site in 1998 using Geocities). 1440AM is a radio station owned by the same guy. The site is about both the TV and radio stations.

I don't see anything about their programming on the site other than this: "WFNY-CA provides viewers with informative and entertaining shows, public service boards and overnights, a simulcast of WFNY-AM."

Thanks.

I have been having a heck of a time trying to pull in WNYA 51-1 in on my rooftop antenna in Ballston Spa lately. Prior to about a month ago it was about 40-50% SS with hardly any problems. Last weeks Yankee game kept dropping out and I can hardly get a signal at all today. Anyone else having any issues?

I have noticed issues with all the VHF stations over the past week or so. I get drop outs and then the station is fine. This morning my problem was with WYNT while watching Today, now it is fine

Remember everyone....it's summer....tropospheric ducting will effect VHF channels this time of year.....it's probably not you...it's Mother Nature...

UHF also seems to be affected by weather. All winter and early Spring I get WGGB in Springfield - no problem at all, Then during the summer, the signal completely disappears. On the other hand during summer I can get WKTV in Utica for hours at a time. Consistently, for reasons I do not understand, I get WUNI out of Worcester for several hours each day year round. During noreasters I can get WGBY? (channel 57, rf 22) from Springfield.

I am unfortunately on the flight path for the Pittsfield airport and there has been a lot of copter and plane activity lately causing problems with my antenna reception.

I just went up to my place in Middleburgh for the first time this year. Thankfully, my Radio Shack VU-190 XR antenna and Archer rotor survived another harsh winter.

I noticed all channels still coming in strong, with the exception of 51.1 which I can't seem to get a blip of.

It looks like WNYT will be launching Me-TV in the next month or so, if Time Warner Cable's latest legal notification is right:
WNYT NC 13 Now to be deleted from channel 556 and WNYT MeTV to be added to channel 556 on or about August 15, 2011
http://www.timewarnercable.com/MediaLibrary/4/152/Content%20Management/Documents/legal_1/legal_alb.pdf

It looks like WNYT will be launching Me-TV in the next month or so, if Time Warner Cable's latest legal notification is right:

http://www.timewarnercable.com/MediaLibrary/4/152/Content%20Management/Documents/legal_1/legal_alb.pdf

Just saw an ad on wynt - me tv will start July 28th on 13.2. Wonder if me two is coming 13.3. pb&j would be nice also.

I use the radar on 13.3, hope it stays.

I use the radar on 13.3, hope it stays.

Let them know that. Viewer feedback is invaluable.

I don't know if the recent heat wave was the reason, but the channel 24 WRGB translator seemed to be off the air the last few days. It's back on, as of now.

I really like it.

I just wish "This TV" was on its 45-2 subchannel, rather than Universal Sports. That is, I wish the second subchannel of WRGB and WCWN were swapped. As WCWN is used as the source for a couple of the WRGB regional translators, I would have liked to see the more "mainstream" "This". Or am I biased towards classic TV more than the general population?!

My reception is very good with channel 24, using a bow-tie antenna. But I do live almost within sight of the transmitter (about one hill over!).

Thanks very much to WRGB and Chief Fred for providing this service.

me tv is now on 13.2 and weather nc-13 now is on 13.3

I don't know if the recent heat wave was the reason, but the channel 24 WRGB translator seemed to be off the air the last few days. It's back on, as of now.

I just wish "This TV" was on its 45-2 subchannel, rather than Universal Sports. That is, I wish the second subchannel of WRGB and WCWN were swapped. As WCWN is used as the source for a couple of the WRGB regional translators, I would have liked to see the more "mainstream" "This". Or am I biased towards classic TV more than the general population?!

Thanks very much to WRGB and Chief Fred for providing this service.

Thanks for the report.

Sorry that Chief Fred can't respond. His account was deleted by a moderator. The AVS Forum does not allow dual identities. Fred opted to retain his private account.

Yes, the transmitter tripped on overtemp. When it cooled down at night the transmitter would pop on again. One of the two cooling fans had failed. The air filters also needed cleaning.

In addition, there has been sporadic interference on the input signal from WCWN whenever the atmospheric conditions were favorable. We suspect interference from WFFF, channel 43 in Burlington VT. There is a new receive antenna in Kingston that is intended to reduce the problem significantly. It is a pair of Antennas Direct C-2 antennas mounted 29" apart, the optimum distance to place a null on Mt. Mansfield.

We would replace "Universal Sports" with "This TV" if it were cost effective to do so, but unfortunately, it's not.

HDTVExpert.com has a review of a nifty little USB tuner. It allows you to watch the new Mobile Digital TV broadcasts. Great if you have a laptop and the power is out.

http://www.hdtvexpert.com/?p=1344

Really glad the channel 24 WRGB translator is back on the air! It's the only TV we've had all week in the Rosendale, NY area (no update from TW Cable as to when they'll be back). I just wish Tivo had them listed in their program guide, the other over the air channels in the area are listed.

A couple of our customers, including our own showroom, have experienced an extremely weak signal (terrestrial) from WNYT 13-1 over the past month. No other stations are causing any problems. Some minor tweaking and their using Time Warner for NBC, so we're just curious if anyone else has experienced an issue with WNYT's terrestrial signal recently?

CriticalListener:
I can't get WNYT (RF 12) at all on my HDHomeRun tuners. Signal strength is OK but signal quality bounces wildly and symbol quality rarely moves off 0%. I'm about 10 miles from the Community Tower using an attic antenna system, no amp, with splitters feeding several tuners around the house including a MyHD card and a Vizio TV, both of which get WNYT without problem. Splitter attenuation is about 14 dB to each of them. All of the tuners including the HDHRs can get the other stations on the hill well.

I tried plain rabbit ears with a loop directly to one HDHR tuner and got higher signal strength looking out a ground floor window but no better reception.

I was able to get WNYT's repeater on RF 18 with the rabbit ears in a window facing that direction. Weaker, but a good lock. You're in Valatie so you might want to try for that repeater, about 25 miles north of you.

WNYT could have a problem with their main feed that doesn't affect the repeater, or it could be multipath (unlikely, since it apparently affects a wide area) or even tropospheric ducting. Whatever is causing it, it affects some tuners more than others.

I checked WNYT (RF 12) again this morning and it's back to what I'm used to: Signal strength 83%, signal quality 85-100%, symbol quality 100%. Symbol quality drops to 0% momentarily and the picture pixelates every 30-32 seconds but it's always done that on this channel with the HDHR tuners. Other tuners are unaffected and the HDHRs don't have a problem with the RF 18 repeater when I point an antenna at it. I've never figured out what causes it. I also have FiOS TV so I usually get WNYT from there.

And of course, just as soon as I had posted the previous message WNYT went back to unreceivable. Maybe they're working on it.

CriticalListener:
I can't get WNYT (RF 12) at all on my HDHomeRun tuners. Signal strength is OK but signal quality bounces wildly and symbol quality rarely moves off 0%. I'm about 10 miles from the Community Tower using an attic antenna system, no amp, with splitters feeding several tuners around the house including a MyHD card and a Vizio TV, both of which get WNYT without problem. .

Exactly the same experience here in Schenectady with two Silicondust HDhomerun tuners. My DVR recordings would indicate the problem with WNYT began on or about August 18th or 19th. My other equipment (Vizio TV and DTV converter) tunes the channel in just fine, but does show a significantly weaker signal than on other VHF channels.

And of course, just as soon as I had posted the previous message WNYT went back to unreceivable. Maybe they're working on it.
Yep. My experience this morning exactly. I guess I can put all my test gear away and either wait for them to fix it, or wait for the leaves to fall from the trees.

At this point none of the receivers we use at the station are showing any problem nor does the test equipment we use to monitor the transmitter. I'm also not seeing the problem with the receivers I use at home or at my camp.

There may be something occuring that the HDHR receivers are particularly sensitive to so I'll look into this further and try to duplicate it with an HDHR receiver I have. We are using Apex Exciters for the Main Channel 12 Transmitter site, but we use a Larcan exciter on the Channel 18 transmitter at Bald Mountain. It may be possible that the Apex Exciters are doing something that is so subtle that the other receivers ignore whatever is causing the HDHR to unlock.

Rich Klein
Dir of Engineering, WNYT

I haven't picked up WNYT for several weeks now. However, when I did pick it up earlier in the summer season it must have been from tropo ducting. My antenna is weak (HD-1080 which is lousy on VHF) and location is far (Poughkeepsie). I always consider WNYT as a bonus from tropo ducting when it does come in, since I never receive it at all during the colder months of the year.

Just to throw in my two cents - my HDHomeruns are doing fine with WNYT. Using the HDHomerun Config gui I'm getting 86% signal strength, 82% signal quality and 100% symbol quality.

Those levels are normal for my setup here in Johnstown. Maybe the lousy weather has messed with your setup - check your wires, you would be surprised how easily they can come loose if the wind can move them at all.

At this point none of the receivers we use at the station are showing any problem nor does the test equipment we use to monitor the transmitter. I'm also not seeing the problem with the receivers I use at home or at my camp.

There may be something occuring that the HDHR receivers are particularly sensitive to so I'll look into this further and try to duplicate it with an HDHR receiver I have. We are using Apex Exciters for the Main Channel 12 Transmitter site, but we use a Larcan exciter on the Channel 18 transmitter at Bald Mountain. It may be possible that the Apex Exciters are doing something that is so subtle that the other receivers ignore whatever is causing the HDHR to unlock.

Rich Klein
Dir of Engineering, WNYT
Thanks for updating the AVS forum. I too have this problem and if it helps I use a TiVo. I don't remember when I started having problems, but WNYT used to come in around 85% signal strength, today it's in the 35% range and lots of pixelation.

We've been running an HDHR receiver with a dual tuner here at the studio receiving the main transmitter for the past 24 hours. So far I'm not seeing the problem with periodic unlock or SNR drop, but we'll keep this monitoring system up here for a while (We usually use this system for field testing).

For the viewer in Johnstown, he may be receiving our translator on channel 21 which receives channel 12 and retransmits the signal without demodulating down to baseband. This method preserves the exact modulated data as the main channel, so any errors would show up on that transmitter as well as the main channel 12 transmitter.

One thing I should mention is that with the bouts of severe weather we've received this season, antenna and feed line damage is something you may want to rule out when having reception problems. This is true even if only having a problem with one or two stations. Antenna problems, unterminated lines, and amps can all cause problems that may not affect all channels.

Regarding amplifiers... If DTV signals get clipped or distorted due to high levels passing through the amplifier, the stronger signals can often become unreceivable. If you have an adjustable gain amplifier try different gain settings to see if that makes any change.

Rich

Richard - not sure what you did, but I'm back in the 80% signal strength range and, of course, no dropouts. Looking forward to tonight's game.
Thanks!

From my DVR recordings I can say the WNYT reception problem went away sometime between 1 am Monday September 5th and 6:30pm Tuesday september 6th. So your tests, while appreciated, was too late to witness the problem for yourself. Thank you so much for investigating.

I was about to write to AverMedia thinking my PC-e tuner was causing the reception problems with VHF Ch13 when I came across this thread . My Panasonic TV and Dish DTV DVR are both receiving VHF 13 with absolutely great signal quality. The Gateway SX2840-01 w/Avertv HD Duet tuner using Windows Media Center for watching/recording WNYT Chan13 has been incredibly challenging with signal quality either barely registering or zero while all the other local area channels have absolutely great signal quality. Just a minute ago I plugged in a WinTV-HVR950Q usb tuner into my Windows 7 Laptop and again, using Windows Media Center, cannot "see" Ch13, yet all other locals show up great. All these tuners are being fed by the same antenna w/no amplifier, just a 3-way splitter. Reading Mr. Klein's responses now has me perplexed...is there an equipment problem, is it Windows Media Center software or is there some nebulous mystery phenomena going on here? Any way to resolve or eliminate some of the variables?
Peter

DBC333, if your problem persisted after September 6th, then I would say you are experiencing a different problem then I and these other recent posters.

Yes, my reception of Chan 13 has been terrible and continues to be...even as of today. So I guess it is a different problem but the thread read sorta/kinda the same to me. Puzzling is that the reception is only bad with my 2 Win 7 computers using the WMC tv function. When using the plasma tv tuner and the dish DTV DVR tuner, reception is great.

I think that there could be a few issues in play here. First, I've found that not all tuners are created equal. Some tuners using older or alternate chip sets simply do not perform well or have diminished capability.

Sometimes adjacent channels will cause problems for some tuners while other tuners have no problem at all. In this market WNYA (51) transmits on channel 13 from the old WRGB transmitter site, while WNYT (13) transmits on channel 12 from the Capital Region Broadcasters site. This is the only adjacent channel situation in this market and could be a factor with some tuners. Especially in isolated areas where a combination of the transmitter locations and antenna patterns might cause significantly different received signal levels on the two adjacent channels.

The second issue has to do with signal strength and a combination of either poor signal to noise ratio in the antenna system or on the other end, the receiver's ability to handle higher signal levels or small distortions in active antennas or amplifiers in the antenna system.

Knowing the locations of viewers having problems and also antenna system information may help identify whether this is a receive problem or some other cause.

Rich

It's interesting to note that the common thread for all of us posting here with WNYT signal problem is that it only appears to be affecting DVR equipment. HDHomeruns, Tivos, and PC TV tuners.
Back when I was having the problem it looked like I was getting intermittent interference every 2 or 3 seconds. I would loose sound and the picture would get pixelated every 2 or 3 seconds.

Was wondering if there has been any progress on this? TV Fool shows it in their plot, but can't seem to confirm if/when it goes operational. Info here: http://maps.google.com/?q=http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/contourplot.kml?gmap=2%26appid=1362901%26call=WRGB%26freq=0. 0%26contour=51%26city=PITTSFIELD%26state=MA shows a coverage map that would be favorable for my location. WCWN is still very hard/impossible to get on channel 43 here so hoping this comes on line soon.

Was wondering if there has been any progress on this?

Not recently. We've been busy with the upgrades in the Helderbergs and problems caused by the hurricanes.

WCWN is omnidirectional into the main antenna.
WCWN is now using WRGB's old channel 39 transmitter.
WCWN has a solid state back-up transmitter.
WCWN's directional antenna has been remounted and fed with 3" diameter feedline.
WRGB's channel 6 antenna is fed with the 7" diameter feedline that WCWN had been using.
WRGB has an operational standby transmitter at the old analog site.

More recently we've installed equipment to improve the work-flows for posting news stories on our web site.

The channel 19 antenna at Jiminy is on the tower. The transmitter is in the building.

I can almost taste it.:D Thanks for the update. Maybe we'll be up by the time the newly revamped NY Mets take the field for 2012!!

WCWN's directional antenna has been remounted and fed with 3" diameter feedline.


Was the elevation changed or does this antenna remain in the same aperture?

I have a question for WRGB Engineering - I remember reading that Universal Sports is going to be done for at the end of the year. If this is the case will there be a possibility of thisTV being moved to 45.2?

On a separate note I know this has nothing to do with WRGB but does anyone know if AntennaTV is going to be on TW Cable and specifically as a Clear QAM channel and if it is, where is it?

Was the elevation changed or does this antenna remain in the same aperture?

It's lower:

https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101439624&formid=301&fac_num=73264

"ThisTV" will remain on WRGB.

We don't yet know what will replace Universal Sports. Place your suggestion here, but note that the engineering department doesn't get to select the programming.

Is anyone else having issues with WCWN or WRGB on 45.3? I'm in North Adams, MA and it appears to be dropping out about every 10 minutes or so for about 10 seconds. Never had any issues before.

Thanks.

Is anyone else having issues with WCWN or WRGB on 45.3? I'm in North Adams, MA and it appears to be dropping out about every 10 minutes or so for about 10 seconds. Never had any issues before.

Thanks.
In Albany, I'm having the same issue. Signal drops for about 10 seconds every 10 minutes or so on 45-3. No idea what's going on????

We don't yet know what will replace Universal Sports. Place your suggestion here, but note that the engineering department doesn't get to select the programming.I know you can't do it because of ill-advised, do-gooder FCC regs, but my vote would be for the return of the WRGB radar. Yes, I can get it online (and I do, often) but my TV boots up a lot faster than my computer does.

I can receive all of the Albany stations, even wyna, except for rf 12 :(, wnyt. I can receive rf 18 though. I'm just north of Saratoga Springs in Wilton.

WNYT's transmissions on RF channel 12 and RF Channel 18 are identical in terms of the data content. The same data is transmitted from both facilities with a very minor change in the PSIP ID. Some receivers will drop the first instance of a channel if they see a second identical transmission on another channel during the scan. If you have a Sharp brand TV, this may be the reason for the lack of the reception on RF 12. The other reason could be that your preamp or distribution amplifier (if you use either) is distorting the RF 12 signal. WNYT's transmitted power is higher than either WXXA on RF 7 or WNYA on RF 13, so may be affected negatively with amplifiers set up for higher gain. The last item I'd check is where your antenna is pointed. From Wilton, you should be pointing directly to the Helderbers at a heading of 199 degrees true, or 213 degrees using a magnetic compass. Being off axis can imapct the frequency response on individual channels, causing one channel to be lost.

I am using a Magnovox TB100MW9 dtv converter. Sometimes rf 13 will come in, when it comes in at all it is pixelized if I enter in rf 12 manually. I have an antenna in the attic winegard pr-7032 and outside antenna winegard hd 7082. I used tvfool to help to point my antenna properly. When I hooked up the antenna that is outside, wxxa and wyna show big improvements vs the attic one. I was unable to receive rf 18 with the attic antenna and wnya was pixelized. Wnyt rf 12 signal stayed about the same, pixelized. I need a signal better than 17 to receive the signal well. Wnyt rf 12 comes in at 16 with both antennas. Wxxa went from a 17 with the attic antenna to a 60 with the outdoor antenna. All the uhf stations except for rf 18 come in with an 80 and wrgb is at 75. Rf 18 comes in with a 40 which is still very good. Except for rf 18, uhf was good on the attic antenna also with only a drop of about 10. I tried two antenuators, one alone for a 6db reduction and another in line for 12 db reduction. It did not make much difference in pixelization. If it is the converter that is my problem, can anyone recommend one that is more robust? Thanks in advance.

I am using a cm 7777 preamp on the outside antenna which feeds 100' feet of rg6 cable going to a 4 way channel master splitter with an additional 50' of cable going to their various tvs. The attic antenna has an old radio shack preamp with about 75' of rg6 cable. The attenuators where placed just after the splitter.

WXXA (RF7) and WNYT (RF12) are combined into the same antenna at the transmitter site. WNYT transmits at 15 kW and WXXA is at 10 kW. It is possible that a reflection is causing some frequency response issues at your location, but that should be fixable by rotaing that antenna one way or the other and noting the change that makes while monitoring RF12, then verifying than there has been no loss on the other channels. The signal display on the TV is not signal strength, it is signal quality, and too much signal can be as much of a problem as toow little signal. Adding attenuators after an amplifier that may be adding distortion will not change the situation.

You mention splitters. Are all splitter outputs properly terminated? Any unterminated coaxial lines will act as filters that can affect the other outputs, so make sure each output is correctly terminated at a TV or with a 75 ohm terminator. Keep in mind that any coaxial switches usually leave the unselected line interminated.

I would proceed by feeding the antenna directly to one TV to be used as a reference, bypassing all splitters to see what is going on directly, and I'd also initially leave out the attenuators. See what each station looks like at that point. If RF12 is still bad, then I'm thinking that a reorientation of the antenna might be in order. The headings you received from TV Fool should pretty much match the headings I send in an earlier e-mail.

Let me know how you make out. You can feel free to contact me directly with more specific information at RKlein@wnyt.com

WTEN started airing its local news in HD yesterday.

Thanks for your reply. The unused outputs of the splitter are terminated with 75ohm terminators. The snowy weather today caused wnya to not be viewable. It also caused wnyt rf 12 to not pixelate. The reading went to 20 and was steady. All other stations readings were unchanged. I have 2 TVs for now each with the same type of dtv converter. I only used the attenuators to experiment with. I originally did not use a preamp with the attic antenna. I installed it because of not getting all of the stations and because of the long cable runs. I may be adding more tvs later. With a break in the weather, I will try to bypass the preamp on the outside antenna to find out what happens.

WTEN started airing its local news in HD yesterday.

Boy that was fast!!!! NOT!!!:D

WTEN started airing its local news in HD yesterday.
I sampled it briefly during the 5 PM news and my first impression was that the studio shots had high setup and clipped whites. But they must know about it and it's easily fixed. I'm sure they'll straighten it out soon. In the past I've been impressed by the DVD-or-better quality of their SD feed.

Three things.

1. For the last two days, WNYA 51 has not been sending programming data (PSIP), which mildly put is really annoying when going through my CM7000-PAL DVR and not knowing what is on. Is there an engineer or contact on here who reads this... please fix!!!

2. What's with WMHT sending out the PSIP in all CAPS on 17.2 and 17.3 with no program descriptions, yet the TVGOS is fine.

3. And finally, I've never seen any discussion of Glens Falls WNCE TV 8 (RF 31) from anyone south of Glens Falls. Is anyone receiving this? I wish they could get guide data in there.

- Brian in Glens Falls

WNYA PSIP started back up, so that's good. Just one comment about the amount of data they're sending; it's only 10 hours ahead. If an engineer sees this, any reason why you can't do at least 24 hours?

I purchased a cm-7000 dtv converter. I tried it on both the attic and roof top antennas. It receives wxxa rf 7 much better than my magnavox 100 using the attic antenna. With the roof top antenna, it receives wnya much better than the magnavox. Wnyt rf 12 will not come in most of time with either receiver on either antenna. Since both wnyt rf 12 and wxxa rf 7 share the same antenna, are in the same ball park power output wise and are so close in frequency, wnyt should come in. Wxxa comes in great. Wnya rf 13 comes in good too but not as strong as wxxa rf 7. I can receive a signal from wnyt but it is not strong enough to produce a picture. It is about 8 out of 100 on the signal meter. Wxxa is at 100. I'm stumped. Does anyone else have any suggestions no matter how far fetched as to why this is the case?

You did not mention your location nor the type of antennas in use, but I suspect a problem with too strong of a signal. WXXA has an ERP of 10 kW while WNYT has an ERP of 15 kW while WNYA on RF13 is about 12.5 kW. Knowing the antenna type and the distribution details of the antenna system would be quite useful in determining the cause of the problem. Compression and non-linear distortion in the antenna system is one of the most critical factors in reception of digital TV.

Please feel free to contact me directly at rklein@wnyt.com so we can determine how best to resolve the problem.

Thanks for your reply Richard. I have posted on the previous page about what I am using for an antenna, etc. I am in Wilton almost 40 miles away from the transmission site. I thought that that would be too far away to worry about signals being too strong but you're the engineer, I am not. According to fooltv, I am receiving edge1 signals for the Helderbergs.

Thanks. I didn't link your previous posts to this later one. From personal experience, signal to noise and pass band frequency response are critical to reception.

Forgive me if I am repetitive in any of the suggestions, but I think we should start at the beginning again. If you have access to a spectrum analyzer, you will be looking for the most rectangular appearing signal for each station (you may not be able to see any differentiation between 12 & 13 since they come right up to each other). If you don't have access to the analyzer, you will need to use your signal quality read out from the receiver.

I'd start out with very little or no use of amplification at first, and send the signal to a one TV only with no splitters in line. If you get no reception of any of the three High Band VHF stations (WXXA, WNYT, WNYA), then I'd add the antenna mounted preamp and see what you get.

Assuming you get a signal at this point, compare the signal quality on each of the 3 HB VHF channels and rotate the antenna to the best average signal quality for all three stations. I suggest this because the refraction of the signal around terrain and reception from multiple paths will affect each of the channels differently, and can result in significant frequency response changes in the pass band for each of the three channels.

Once you are able to get a good compromise signal quality for the 3 HB VHF channels, then check out the Low Band VHF (6) and the three UHF channels to see how they come in.

Next, add the splitter to feed the additional TVs. If you need some more amplification to overcome the losses in the splitter, be careful about the amount of gain you add, since you will be adding significant amplifier noise to the signals as well. Add just enough to overcome the losses in the splitter, and maybe a little more using the signal quality indication as your guide. I've had good luck with an amplified variable gain 4 way splitter available at Radio Shack, but I do not see it in their current catalog.

Make sure any unused outputs of the splitter are terminated with a resistor plug, and make sure there are no unterminated lines going to rooms or TVs not actually connected.

Using the above process you should find a way to receive all of the local stations by compensating for the receive path and receive system components.

Rich

I rotated the antenna and wnyt rf 12 did not come in much better. It went from being unreceivable to pixelizing. At the same time wnya rf 13 went from clear to pixelizing and wxxa rf 7 still came in clear but the signal dropped in half. The uhf and vhf lo stations had no change, remained strong. I don't believe that my problem is signal overload. I had used a preamp during the analog days when the stations ran much higher power and I did not have any stations that were overloaded.

Based on your tests, I would definitely surmise that overload is a likely factor in your reception problem. If 12 went from unusable to pixelizing, and at the same time problems with 7 & 13 started, that tells me that there is distortion occurring somewhere in the receive system. You likely have too much gain in the system. Keep in mind that Analog signals can be compressed quite a lot with little apparent affect on reception or the picture quality. Digital signals cannot be compressed at all without substantially loosing the signal. If compression or clipping is occurring you will loose any data points that are represented by the highest signal levels. 8VSB transmission uses 8 power levels to transmit the data.

So at this point I'd still suggest bypassing the amplifiers and add them one at a time to see where the problem is occurring. You can also check out the following web site that offers some suggestions as well:

http://www.tvtower.com/hdtv_antenna_and_reception.html

Rich

19 is live. I am getting it at 100%. I did not know 45.3 was in hd.

19 is live. I am getting it at 100%. I did not know 45.3 was in hd.

Channel 19 was turned on yesterday, November 21. Right now it is at 40% power. It's not at 100% because there seems to be a reflected power problem with the antenna, feedline, or sampling port. We'll try to get to that next week.

45-3 is widescreen SD, but it looks pretty good.

Here's a coverage map:

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=80&q=call%3dWRGB%26type%3dD%26sitenum%3d3

It looks great. If it is only at 40%, it is likely to overwhelm my antenna when you go to 100%. I rotored my antenna toward Albany and away from jp and it still reads 80% on my dish receiver. I can not tell the difference between HD and widescreen ~ it may be HD is a bit brighter, but my eyes do not see much of a difference. Good job on getting this done. Now if PBS would add a repeater, I could go to an indoor antenna.

Off Topic: Anyone else having problems with the Sirius Satellite Radio repeaters in Albany? Last night signal was cutting in/out and tonight I have absolutely zero signal. Just wondering if it's just me or something with Sirius. Note: I can only receive the repeater signal within my house and not the satellite signal.

Anyone having a problem with WTEN OTA? I can get 10.3 but not 10.1 or 10.2.

I was getting it very reliably up until a couple of days ago. I have 2 different brand OTA tuners and neither one is picking up 10.1. Everything else seems to be coming in as usual. I never get WMHT OTA but I am getting Vermont Public TV fine.

Anyone having a problem with WTEN OTA? I can get 10.3 but not 10.1 or 10.2.

I get 10.1,10.2,10.3 full bars signal strength on 3 different STBs, I'm in Albany.

No problem here with WTEN OTA on 3 different tuners (HDHomeRun, MyHD and a Vizio TV). If you get 10.3 then your reception of the other two must be OK; they're part of the same transmission. Also their PSIP info looks reasonable; some receivers get upset if that's not available (Windows Media Center is a classic example).

I've seen receivers forget the relationship between a real and a virtual channel but I wouldn't expect that to happen to two TVs at once.

It looks great. If it is only at 40%, it is likely to overwhelm my antenna when you go to 100%. I rotored my antenna toward Albany and away from jp and it still reads 80% on my dish receiver. I can not tell the difference between HD and widescreen ~ it may be HD is a bit brighter, but my eyes do not see much of a difference. Good job on getting this done. Now if PBS would add a repeater, I could go to an indoor antenna.

Even though I'm behind the antenna I am able to recieve it and now can watch 45-1, 2 & 3 OTA! Slight dropout every 1 to 2 minutes but much better than what I was getting before the translator, it is actually watchable now. Looking forward to the full power signal.

No problem here with WTEN OTA on 3 different tuners (HDHomeRun, MyHD and a Vizio TV). If you get 10.3 then your reception of the other two must be OK; they're part of the same transmission. Also their PSIP info looks reasonable; some receivers get upset if that's not available (Windows Media Center is a classic example).

I've seen receivers forget the relationship between a real and a virtual channel but I wouldn't expect that to happen to two TVs at once.

I think my tuner and/or the splitter failed. I swapped an ATI 750 into this machine along with a diffent splitter and things seem to be back to normal. My 950Q gives 5 green bars on most channels but the ATI only gives 4 orange bars on most channels. I have no idea why this should be the case but the ATI receives channels fine; so I'm not going to worry about the orange bars.

I was picking up 10.3 with my Silicon Dust because I never set the tuner options on that channel and the Silicon Dust is my first option - likely because I manually setup cable before OTA.

Even though I'm behind the antenna I am able to recieve it and now can watch 45-1, 2 & 3 OTA! Slight dropout every 1 to 2 minutes but much better than what I was getting before the translator, it is actually watchable now. Looking forward to the full power signal.

I have lost the signal - nothing yesterday and today.

Anyone having a problem with WTEN OTA? I can get 10.3 but not 10.1 or 10.2.

I was getting it very reliably up until a couple of days ago. I have 2 different brand OTA tuners and neither one is picking up 10.1. Everything else seems to be coming in as usual. I never get WMHT OTA but I am getting Vermont Public TV fine.

If this happens again, try going to the physical channel (26.3) and see if you see it there. I've had viewers call in the past who lost their mapping on their set/set top converter box, and my two channels show up on their physical locations.

I have lost the signal - nothing yesterday and today.

Same here W, nothing yesterday or today. Wonder if it's weather related?

19 appears to be completely dead now. I get nothing.

Same here W, nothing yesterday or today. Wonder if it's weather related?

They must have taken it off line - according to the signal map, the signal at my house should be strong enough that I could pick it up with just my dental work :-) . Great potential though.

I checked again yesterday and still nothing at my place. I wonder if WRGB EngDept could give us an explanation? Could the cold weather and snow on the ground be causing them problems for the fix?

WOW Time warner Cable Just took away Fuse TV HD, Channel 1757 with no notification says

"Fuse TV is no longer available. visit TWCConversations.com for more information"

You go on the website, no notification, nothing! Wow you suck Time Warner.

Do WRGB and WNYT actually operate antennas on West Mountain, near Glens Falls, NY? TVFool shows WRGB on Channel 39 and WNYT on Channel 45.

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=80&q=call%3dWRGB%26type%3dD%26sitenum%3d1

http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=80&q=call%3dWNYT%26type%3dD%26sitenum%3d2

I was in Glens Falls this weekend and tried to pick these stations up at a relative's house with an amplified indoor antenna from Radio Shack. I tried the antenna both amplified and un-amplified and could not pick up a thing. Being 5 miles away from the tower, I figured I could pick these stations up with anything.

Are these stations not broadcasting? Is this an old tower no longer functioning? a future antenna? or is the problem on my end?

Thank you.

So far as I know, neither one has been built yet. Both are only permits.

- Trip

WNYT and WRGB each have construction permits to build transmitter facilities near West Mountain in the Glens Falls area. WNYT is currently planing to build sometime in late Spring.

Tried again today, RF 19 is dead. That was short lived.

The only digital TV coming off West Mountain at this time is WNCE RF 31, which shows "Look-TV" Channel 8 from Glens Falls, and a "Hole In The Woods" informercial on 8-2. 8-3 has video from 8-1 but no audio, and 8-4 is just a color bar test-pattern.

Is anyone in Saratoga or south of there receiving this channel? Just curious.

Same here W. I wonder why WRGB pulled the plug on it so quickly. Perhaps something went bad up there and they just can't get up there to fix it. Would be nice if they would drop a note to let us know. Frustrating not getting the channel after getting the channel after so long not being able to get the channel. Oh well.

Same here W. I wonder why WRGB pulled the plug on it so quickly. Perhaps something went bad up there and they just can't get up there to fix it. Would be nice if they would drop a note to let us know. Frustrating not getting the channel after getting the channel after so long not being able to get the channel. Oh well.

My guess and this is only my speculation is that the transmitter was licensed to WRGB and it was broadcasting channel 45, and the FCC said no - you need to broadcast channel 6. I know that 6 has a microwave receive site for their live trucks on JP, so they must have provisions to repair problems there. It is also possible that the transmitter went bad and economics is forcing them not to replace it or delaying its replacement.

I'm in Schenectady. Does anyone have a recommendation for an antenna installer?

Same here W. I wonder why WRGB pulled the plug on it so quickly.

The plug wasn't pulled intentionally. The transmitter failed, only half the antenna was operational, plus staffing issues, holidays, and Chief Fred's retirement have interfered with the repair.

The plug wasn't pulled intentionally. The transmitter failed, only half the antenna was operational, plus staffing issues, holidays, and Chief Fred's retirement have interfered with the repair.

All understandable and we do appreciate the heads up. Congrats to Chief Fred on his retirement, but no doubt he will be greatly missed. I'm just across the street so if you need a hand...:D

David in Troy here: WBYN 14.1-14.6 from Wyndam has not been mentioned. They apparently started up in November. Dan the manager was receptive to my comments regarding reception. Interesting, my Samsung set top box receives it at a 6 of 10 signal. The audio is only intermittent. Utica comes in at a 2 of 10 signal and maintains video and audio. I tried a walmart amplifier, it did not help. On my gable I have a uhf and a vhf antenna. When the warmer weather comes I can maybe point the antenna differently.

From The New York TimesTime Warner Cable and MSG Resolve Dispute

By HOWARD BECK and RICHARD SANDOMIR

The 48-day standoff between the MSG Network and Time Warner Cable ended Friday, according to two people aware of the resolution who were not authorized to speak publicly.

The end of the impasse will be announced Friday afternoon by Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo and executives of both companies. A settlement had been urged by Eric T. Schneiderman, the state’s attorney general. The governor’s intervention in the past 24 hours with James L. Dolan, executive chairman of Madison Square Garden, and Glenn Britt, chief executive of Time Warner Cable, accelerated the agreement.

The blackout deprived many Knicks fans around the state of seeing much of the rapid rise to stardom of point guard Jeremy Lin — as well as the continued success of the New York Rangers.

The impasse began Jan. 1 with the companies disagreeing angrily over what Time Warner Cable would pay to continue carrying MSG. Time Warner Cable, which serves more than two million customers, insisted that MSG reneged on a proposal for a 6.5 percent increase late last year and then demanded a 54 percent hike. MSG has never discussed figures publicly but said Time Warner’s were not accurate.

Yes, but according to channel 10 - if WTEN and TW do not reach agreement by Tuesday - 10 will be pulled from Time Warner - one dispute ends and another one begins.

From The New York Times

In addition to running the crawl on the bottom of the screen, News 10 @ 6 anchor Elisa Streeter announced the dispute kind of as a news story and stated that if an agreement wasn't reached by 2/29 the channel would be pulled from TWC. Then she said their channel will still be available on satellite on both DISH and Directv. Oh Governor Cuomo!!!

The weekend anchor on News 10 said nearly the exact same thing about TWC dispute when I was watching the Saturday 11PM broadcast.

I can't help but think about what happened between Cablevision and Disney/ABC two years ago. The Owned and Operated NYC station WABC, came back on Cablevision shortly after the 2010 Oscars broadcast started. I guess more of these disputes will become commonplace in the future, but I never expected it to see an "outage" in a smaller market like the Capital District. I do remember hearing about some Walmart and Target stores being sold out on DTV converters and indoor antennas in the NYC metro area two years ago as folks discovered that OTA signals are still around.

I came across this news story and blog entry in the Times-Union confirming the crawl during this year's Oscar broadcast.

http://www.timesunion.com/business/article/Oscar-role-for-cable-dispute-3365611.php

http://blog.timesunion.com/chuckmiller/so-what-if-we-did-lose-wten-abc-10-from-time-warner-cable/12439/

I do remember hearing about some Walmart and Target stores being sold out on DTV converters and indoor antennas in the NYC metro area two years ago as folks discovered that OTA signals are still around.

This doesn't help too much to pick up WTEN here in the mid-Hudson valley area, although it works with WRGB since they installed a local repeater in Kingston. It looks like we've got another week ...

Time Warner Cable gets temporary extension to carry ABC affiliates in Milwaukee, Albany
http://www.fiercecable.com/story/time-warner-cable-gets-temporary-extension-carry-abc-affiliates-milwaukee-a/2012-03-01?utm_medium=nl&utm_source=internal

Unfortunately these re-transmission blackouts are going to happen more frequently in the future. If it keeps up, it could result in more cord cutting from cable as consumers get more disgusted with these petty disputes more often.

The plug wasn't pulled intentionally. The transmitter failed, only half the antenna was operational, plus staffing issues, holidays, and Chief Fred's retirement have interfered with the repair.

Was just wondering if WRGB could offer any update on the Jiminy Peak transmitter issue? Been almost 3 months now.

Is WRGB rf6 broadcasting at full power? I am in a deep fringe area but 6 has been my strongest channel up until a week or so ago. I have a cut ch 6 yagi, 75 ohm,and low noise low band preamp, and also a field strength meter. Levels are very low,Other channels are preforming normally from this area

thanks

Is WRGB rf6 broadcasting at full power? I am in a deep fringe area but 6 has been my strongest channel up until a week or so ago. I have a cut ch 6 yagi, 75 ohm,and low noise low band preamp, and also a field strength meter. Levels are very low,Other channels are preforming normally from this area

thanks

I too have noticed a drop in 6 and also in 23 (rf7) within the last few days, channels 13 (rf12) and 51(rf13) have been normal, UHF stations have been normal. I had thought it was some weird atmospheric thing effecting midrange VHF stations.

I too have noticed a drop in 6 and also in 23 (rf7) within the last few days, channels 13 (rf12) and 51(rf13) have been normal, UHF stations have been normal. I had thought it was some weird atmospheric thing effecting midrange VHF stations.

It had cleared up and now I am having signal issues with 6 and 23 again starting last night.

No issues here with 6 or 23.
On a clear blue day I have issues with 10.

WYNT news is now in HD. Saturday Today 13 looked great this morning - strange opening, though - it looked like the opening scenes from a cheesy soap opera. Great newsteam - just a horrible opening. BTW I was watching WUNI last night and decided to do a scan = guess what, a signal from 19 - turns out however, when I got a full lock - it was WGBH not WRGB

Watching Channel 13 OTA on Monday morning 05/07/12 was getting what seemed to be audio drop outs and occasional video pixelation. This in spite of 80% signal strength. Had to switch to Channel 6 and watch Charlie Rose (wake me if I fall asleep!).

Any rumors on 19 or on bouncetv coming to Albany?