Wow. That's, what, 60-65 miles of RG11?

That will require one hell of a pre-amp to combat the cable losses.

I didnt move my antenna- I changed the direction that my antenna was pointed from Lansign to gr


YOu guys having fun with me?????

Let's all hope WLAJ gets its act together before Sunday!

Being new to HDTV (bought one 2 days ago), this may be a dumb question. For what reason is WLAJ having audio issues? Can they not broadcast DD 5.1? If so, is there not some other way to get voices during those shows? I was looking forward to 'Lost' in HD and there were no voices? Is this common? or is it my TV? (Samsung TX-R3079WH). Thanks for helping a newbie.

It's not common and it's not your tv. WLAJ is just having some audio problem at the moment. Hopefully they'll get it fixed soon.

Anybody know if 'LAJ will ever broadcast a 5.1 stream. That sure would be nice for the SB........oh well, I'll have to move my antenna and watch it on WJRT-DT if I want DD 5.1.

Anybody know if 'LAJ will ever broadcast a 5.1 stream. That sure would be nice for the SB........oh well, I'll have to move my antenna and watch it on WJRT-DT if I want DD 5.1.

I hope you just repoint it and not move it to Chesening :eek:

Sorry I couldn't resist....

Good one Matt!

The Wings game is supposed to be in HD today on WILX, but because of the Winter Storm Warning it isnt in HD. Can anyone call them or give me the number to call? This is really annoying :(

The Wings game is supposed to be in HD today on WILX, but because of the Winter Storm Warning it isnt in HD. Can anyone call them or give me the number to call? This is really annoying :(

I second that motion. WILX always does this and it's extremely annoying. Nobody turns on a hockey game (or Law and Order) to find out if it's going to snow.

I could maybe see it if there was a tornado or something serious, but this is Michigan. Snow is a fact of life here and I can't imagine anyone watching the Wings game is going to be suprised if it snows. If I cared about the weather I'd turn on the weather channel (or just look outside).

Even if they think this is really some kind of public service, they could always put up the weather advisory during the commercials, or just turn on the advisory for a minute after each commercial break. Instead they completely ruin their HD programming.


Like Hoogs said. If anyone knows the number please call them or post it and I'll call them myself.

Have at it!

(517) 393-0110

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WLAJ-DT is up on DD 5.1 for the Super Bowl Pre-Game Show.

WLAJ-DT Not sending DD 5.1 anymore.......was it just for the game?????

sure was nice to watch lost in 5.1.......and they even had some HD commercials.

Fusion Razor one...and i think a jeep commercial was in HD and Kermit the frog I seen in a commercial that was HD.

Does Lansing's cable system (Comcast?) have any HD channels that someone with just regular cable can get if they have a 256 QAM tuner?

Just trying to help out some friends, thanks for any information you can give me.

Does Lansing's cable system (Comcast?) have any HD channels that someone with just regular cable can get if they have a 256 QAM tuner?

Just trying to help out some friends, thanks for any information you can give me.

WKAR and WILX are both available unencrypted to any subscriber with 'basic' or above.

Thanks Gary

It would be nice if there was some way you could log on to your computer and check to see if a station is not broadcasting. I live in Galesburg, and I know I am a long way from Lansing but I regularly receive channel 23 but today I have lost its signal. I have only a uhf antenna but I do receive 6-8-10-17-23-47-41-53 all digital stations.

The weather as been rainy today and maybe a factor. I tried the regular 23 and reeived it ok.

Is there any way to check to see if a particular station is broadcasting???

The weather as been rainy today and maybe a factor. I tried the regular 23 and reeived it ok.

Is there any way to check to see if a particular station is broadcasting???

For WKAR... Call me and ask (517) 432-3120 X201, or send an email garyb@wkar.msu.edu

If we know ahead of time that we'll be off or if we're going to be off for an extended length of time we'll add something to our home page: http://wkar.org .

We also update our main station voice mail greeting. Mostly though if there is an outage, we get busy to fix the problem and don't get a chance to get to the web guy to update the page.

I do not have any discrepancies from yesterday, however, there was heavy rain, and I bet we lost the incoming satellite signal for a while maybe around 7:30PM.

Beyond that, I think the rain may have attenuated the signal so much that we disappeared from your set. I know that last night before the power went out at home, I lost WEYI several times due to the storm (I live just north of DeWitt, so, several mules from WEYI)

Gary,
Is there any reason that there is no guide data for your subchannel 23.2.
I know its just a simulcast of your analog signal, but my HD Tivo only lists it a "regular programming". There is good and accurate guide data for 23.1, but the guide continues for 24 hrs while your HD channel is off air overnight.

Gary,
Is there any reason that there is no guide data for your subchannel 23.2.
I know its just a simulcast of your analog signal, but my HD Tivo only lists it a "regular programming". There is good and accurate guide data for 23.1, but the guide continues for 24 hrs while your HD channel is off air overnight.


For our analog service, trying to have accurate guide information distributed is driving us bonkers. We created a twenty-four hour program discription for the local cable systems (Comcast and Millinnium) which do carry us 24 hours/day because we have a direct fiber optic feed to Comcast (East Lansing, then to Lansing, then to Millinnium).

However, our over-the-air transmission has for years been 17 or 18 hours per day, never was it 24/7.

Somewhere along the line, the code for the 24 hour WKAR was promugated to other providers; other cable systems, Yahoo, TV Guide, Titan, our own web pages. So, just about everywhere -except- Comcast and Millinniumn the guide information incorrectly lists us as 24/7.

Our PSIP information that we transmit on WKAR-DT is correct and does show the right times*. But, Tivo and others are getting the program information from that same wrong source.

We are currently working with the data distributor to create a new code that -hopefully- will fix the problem.

As to the lack of 23.2 data, check with Tivo, you're paying them big bucks for the service; ask them to fix it. They are welcome to call me, and I can give them the correct data codes they should be using.

I am confused about the HD channel information present for 24/7. We've never distributed the data in that manner, but perhaps Tvio took a short-cut and is just using the information from PBS for the PBS|HD channel directly.
*well, sometimes our PSIP generator goes nuts (mad computer disease) and doesn't have the right information. We have a software upgrade on order for it, but implementation of that software upgrade is waiting on the software upgrade for the multiplexer.

Gary, just took a look at WKAR-DT (4:45 PM) there is a pretty sever audio sync issue. I checked my recording of Austin City Limits from last night an it seems OK.

I am seeing that there are some antenna users in Northern Ingham County - Williamston area...I just bought a Samsung 30" Slimfit with HD tuner built in and would like to get the most out of it. I have tried three different interior antennas and find that they do not work consistently, especially in windy conditions. I do not want to invest in installation of an exterior model if I am not going to get better reception and do not have any experience to draw on. What would be my best choice? Is there a company that I should choose to get one installed?

I am seeing that there are some antenna users in Northern Ingham County - Williamston area...I just bought a Samsung 30" Slimfit with HD tuner built in and would like to get the most out of it. I have tried three different interior antennas and find that they do not work consistently, especially in windy conditions. I do not want to invest in installation of an exterior model if I am not going to get better reception and do not have any experience to draw on. What would be my best choice? Is there a company that I should choose to get one installed?

When I inquired about installation from a company, the quote was around $600.

This was more than I wanted to pay, so I did it myself for less than $200.

I got everything I needed from Lowe's home improvement store, except for the antenna, which I purchased at Purchase Radio Supply in Ann Arbor.

Instead of on the roof, I installed the antenna on a pole next to the house.

Here is a link to the antenna installation guide I used to help me. I had no prior experience.
Guide (http://www.channelmaster.com/pdf/AntInstallGuide.pdf)

Hello:

Just thought I would ask and see if my problem with WSYM Fox 47 is just me. Last night for Idol I had banner information but no picture, (sat searching etc.) Tonight the same and signal strength was fine. After finally getting through to control room they said HD broadcast picture was fine. I decided to do another channel search but no luck, however it did add 38-4 and 38-5. This of course is the digital channel number for FOX 47 Lansing. For the heck of it I swung antenna around to GR and tried FOX 17 but got nothing. Then I entered 19-1 their digital number and the HD feed came in, but no banner information. I have not received the HD local channels on the digital number since my first RCA DTC-100 so am a bit confused. Did anyone else not receive 47-1 in HD or is it something going on with my DirecTV Tivo unit. Its strange that I have good signal strength and banner info but can't find signal for picture. Thanks.

John

I can't say whether or not there were problems earlier in the evening, but I just checked WSYM and everything was okay.

WSYM is not showing as 47 but as 38-5 and -6 with no no channel ident for me. Also, I am recieving what shows to be 5.1 but is clearly 2.1 audio from WSYM now, which it never used to do, and is the same as what I get from WILX.

Thanks for the replys: I just spoke with Master Control at Fox-47 and they said I was the only one that called, and that they were broadcasting both SD & HD just fine. I was specific if they changed sub-channels for any reason and I do not think he understood that terminology . He also keep refering to cable and I said I am refering to off-air, and not sure if he understood that either. Whew!! I only had a banner on 47-1 and the channel search added 38-4 and 38-5 and there was SD on those channels after Idol so have not been able to check yet and see if the HD feed has moved to one of those. I do know the banner did not indicate DTV as it did with the 47-1 broadcast when I was getting it. Confusing as I am getting all other Digital Local Broadcasts. Thanks again.

John

Hi, I called Al back at Fox and asked him what channel he was broadcasting from, and before I could get it out of my mouth, he said there was a "glitch or something" a couple of days ago and it reverted back to original digital number and that put it on 38-5 (HD) and SD was 38-6. He has called in the production engineers and it may be corrected by this evening and back on 47-1.
Thanks guys for your input as I thought it was just me!! Have a great weekend.

John

I am having problems picking up the 47 hd signal. Standard 47 comes in fine with my cm4228 and pre amp


JOhn

D-VHS

Anybody around here record using a D-VHS VCR?

This past week I got a Mitsubishi D-VHS VCR to use with my SIR-T165 receiver and tried recording a movie off of ABC WOTV-DT tonight and got "No Copy" on the display of the VCR. After that I tried a program on WKAR-DT and got the same message, but I found I could record NBC on WOOD-DT just fine. I didn't get a chance to try recording anything in HD from the other local stations.

I thought anything being broadcast over the air had to be recordable.

Anybody else not getting the Pistons game in HD on WLAJ today? I can get the SD channel but HD is black.

Would you folk take a look at this set of "frequently asked questions" and let me know if (a) you think the answers are correct, (b) if there are other questions we should answer. (you can offer me the answers, too)

Thanks.

http://wkar.org/dt/info/page.php?content=faq2006

Gary,

Your page looks good to me. You could add a coverage map of WKAR-DT's signal, and maybe a couple of photos of common UHF TV antennas.

In your "New Set? How much will that cost?" section, I think you can now get a HD-TV (CRT 4X3) with HD tuner built in for under $500, at local stores.

Just from reading your page, I hope WKAR doesn't add a bunch of new sub channels like it sounds like many PBS stations are doing. I've loaned a old HD receiver to a family that can receive the Bay City PBS station and that receiver just goes nuts trying to remap the four "channels" they run. I had to unprogram that RF channel so the tuner wouldn't ever see it (it kept locking up the tuner). If WKAR does want to run more sub channels maybe you could add a whole new station and just multicast a bunch of SD feeds on it, like it sounds like they are doing in many large cities. Or maybe you could go back to the days of sharing a channel like the old WMSB/WILX channel 10, except you could both be on at the same time using different sub channels.

Anyway Gary, your page looks good to me. I'm sure it will help a lot of people understand digital TV.

Mark

There they go again, WILX ruining HD programming with a stupid "Winter Weather Advisory." And I love how they turn the advisory OFF for the commercials and back ON again during Conan. I sent them an email, but I doubt I'll get a reply.

I just got my first HDTV. I live in an apartment in Jackson and bought the Terk Indoor Antenna to try to get HD signals. I'm getting clear digital signals for WLNS at 59.1 and for WLAJ (51.3 and 51.4). I'm getting two hits for WSYM at 38.5 and 38.6, but no broadcast. I'm getting nothing for WILX, WHTV and WKAR. Any advice?

My figuring is if I can get WLNS this clearly the rest should be no problem. WLNS is about as far away from me as any of them.

cornell_lingus,

WLNS runs the most power of any of the Lansing area stations, so I'm sure that helps you pick them up. I'm not sure what the deal is with WLAJ, my tuner was also calling them 51.3 and 51.4 earlier this weekend, but when I retried them after reading your post they came in as 51.1 and 51.2. WSYM is another story, when I rescaned them tonight they came up with 47.1, 47.2, and 27.5. The 27.5 looked like the SD 47.2, so I don't know what to tell you.

WILX is on the air, on channel 57. At my house they don't seem to hold a signal as well as WSYM or WLAJ. WILX, WSYM, and WLAJ are all located between Lansing and Jackson. I have never seen WHTV-DT's signal. Last I heard WHTV was on the air from a office building in downtown Jackson, using low power and not running HD. WKAR is located near WLNS, so if you can peak your antenna on WLNS try finding WKAR on channel 55. WKAR runs some real nice looking HD programs, so you want to get them.

I don't know what your TERK antenna looks like, but if it looks like a "Silver Sensor" antenna then it should work OK. If the UHF part of your TERK is just a loop then you may want to try a different antenna. Try moving it around in your apartment and if you can get it near a northern window that could help.

Good Luck,
Mark

I just got my first HDTV. I live in an apartment in Jackson and bought the Terk Indoor Antenna to try to get HD signals. I'm getting nothing for WILX, WHTV and WKAR. Any advice?


WLNS has substantially more power than WKAR. WLNS was authorized 1,000 kW on channel 59, WKAR was authorized about 56kW on channel 55. WKAR is going to be very difficult to receive in Jackson with an indoor antenna.

Thanks for the responses. I was wondering why 10, 23 and 47 weren't showing up when I was getting WLNS and WLAJ nice and clear. Hopefully WKAR et al will get permission for more power soon. My indoor antenna is like the Silver Sensor so I will probably have to look into an outdoor antenna if I want to get the other channels. DirecTV won't have the local HD channels available until a new bird launches in 2007, and I can't get a straight response from them about which receiver will be necessary.

Don't know why they decided to show up today, but I'm getting digital signals for 10 and 47 now. I'm getting WILX at 57.3 and WSYM at 38.5, plus an SD signal for WSYM at 38.6.

I have an old hughes E86 hd directv receiver that I use only for digital stations-
I currently receive 6-10-23-47-53 with my antenna pointed to the Lansing direction. Two questions

I am now getting 47 as 27.5???


I did a scan and channel 1.1 showes as thales 1.1???

Is this just a test for a tv equipment mfg?


I am in galesburg

thanks


John

[QUOTE=LITEGUY2004
I am now getting 47 as 27.5???


I did a scan and channel 1.1 showes as thales 1.1???

Is this just a test for a tv equipment mfg?


John[/QUOTE]

Thales is a manufacturer of broadcast equipment. I suspect sombody's PSIP (Program and System Information Protocol) box is broken.

Got a message on the cable box today, we now have WLNS HD on Comcast cable now. It's about time, now just waiting on WLAJ. WLNS is on channel 233. :)

I decided to try out Comcast's HDTV/PVR offering. Looks nice, but I'm getting "This channel will be available shortly" instead of WILX-HD and WKAR-HD. (No Fox-HD, either. InHD looks fabulous, but are they really so hard up for content that they need to show high school basketball?)

Comcast hit the box remotely and they tell me that it's a nonresponder. Per CSR instructions I'm going to swap out the box, but could this be a symptom of poor internal CATV wiring? It's a 50-year-old house and I haven't gotten around to putting in a powered amp and fishing home runs of RG-6 through the walls yet.

Is anybody else having a problem not getting the MSU game on 6?

Is anybody else having a problem not getting the MSU game on 6?


Yes I called CBS. They are only broadcasting it on analog. It's BS. I have a smart antenna hooked up to my tuner, so it won't work with my tv analog tuner. I just went to Radio shack and bought a cheap indoor antenna.

Is anybody else having a problem not getting the MSU game on 6?

CBS may not have HD setup at all the buildings. WLNS-DT has been broadcasting different games from analog 6 both days so far. I'll admit it has been nice using the PIP.

Well, I guess it doesn't matter now. GM wanted the game more than we did.

Now this is getting better!


202 ESPN HD
204 TNT HD
205 Discovery HD Theater
206 IN HD
207 IN HD2
215 HBO HD
219 Cinemax HD
223 Showtime HD
227 Starz HD
232 WILX - NBC (HD)
233 WLNS (CBS) HD
234 WSYM (FOX) HD
240 WKAR (PBS) HD

Now that the WLNS_HD has been added to Comcast, I am considering switching from Direct TV to Comcast. Any experience with Comcast YD quality as well as the quality of their DVR option would be appreciated.

I normally post in the Flint-Saginaw forum, but I thought some of you might be able to give me some thoughts. I'm in Frankenmuth, with a very big, old, rotor driven antenna on top of the house. I have Dish. The Flint and Saginaw stations have been a bit behind the times, so I have been trying to get the Lansing stations.

WLNS-6 comes in beautifully, usually over 90% strength. WNEM-5 (also CBS) just got its HD up and running in the last few days, so now I have both. Except for Fox, the other stations come in great. Our Fox affiliate, Channel 66 is apparently having problems getting digital up and running. They had said they would get it going last fall, then this spring, and now apparently are putting it off several years. They have said it has something to do with interfering with Canadian stations.

Anyway, I can get WSYM-47 on rare occasions. Does anyone out there a long way from Lansing have any luck pulling in their signal? What kind of equipment are you using? I was thinking of getting an amplifier of some sort, but would like to see if anyone else has had success before I spend the money. Also, does anyone know how WSYM compares to WLNS in signal strength?

Thanks!

I'm a little west of you but I get WYSM rock solid in Flushing, but that's me. I'm using a Televes with a CM preamp and all is well. I tried to help a guy up in Clio who has a CM 8 bay and a CM preamp and he got nothing. So, the best I can say is it may ultimately depend on your local conditions. I'm at about 750' + elevation and feel very lucky to get all three markets with few problems. I really believe that elevation is the key to long range reception. There are tools out there that will tell you your elevation. Hope things work out for you.

http://terraserver-usa.com/advfind.aspx?Panel=address

Quakeman: At the distance you re trying to pick up Channel 47-1 (Fox), Lansing, I would say a amp would not help you much. You must have height and the very best directional antenna (such as Televes dat75). Of course, you must have a good roter. At a distance of over 45 miles, the antenna must be 'right on' the transmitting tower to have a chance. With the tower for Fox being between Lansing and Jackson, I would say, your hopes of getting it in Frankenmuth is very slim. This is only my view however.

Now that the WLNS_HD has been added to Comcast, I am considering switching from Direct TV to Comcast. Any experience with Comcast YD quality as well as the quality of their DVR option would be appreciated.

Does anyone know if WLNS has been added permanately, or just for the duration of the NCAA tournament (like Fox was added for the superbowl a couple of years ago)?

As far as Comcast goes, I'd say it's average. The main gripe I have is the lack of HD channels, at least here in East Lansing. I get ESPN HD, Discovery HD, INHD, INHD2, HBO HD, NBC HD, and PBS HD (MAX, SHO and I think STARS and TMC are also available for a fee). For some reason we still don't get TNT HD, but I think it may have been added in Lansing. Can anyone confirm or deny this? If CBS HD is added permanetly that would be huge. I also wish they would add ABC and FOX.

The Comcast HD DVR is pretty decent. The DVR is the main reason I don't like getting ABC, CBS, and FOX OTA. I've had a DVR for around 4 years now and watching live TV is just plain annoying. I prefer the Tivo software to the Motorola software, but it does all of the basic stuff (recording, season pass, etc) fine. Although a lot of things just work better on the Tivo (like fast forwarding, searching for shows, etc). Of course I've read somewhere that Comcast will be deploying the Tivo software on their DVRs by the end of this year.

Now this is getting better!


202 ESPN HD
204 TNT HD
205 Discovery HD Theater
206 IN HD
207 IN HD2
215 HBO HD
219 Cinemax HD
223 Showtime HD
227 Starz HD
232 WILX - NBC (HD)
233 WLNS (CBS) HD
234 WSYM (FOX) HD
240 WKAR (PBS) HD
300 HBO HD
319 Cinemax HD
339 Showtime HD
369 Starz HD

Is this your channel lineup? Are you getting it through cable? What area do you live in? I'm just curious because that's a better lineup than I get in E. Lansing. I'm also looking for a house, and while I wouldn't buy a house just because of the cable available in that area, it would be something I take into consideration. ;)

I'm a little west of you but I get WYSM rock solid in Flushing, but that's me. I'm using a Televes with a CM preamp and all is well. I tried to help a guy up in Clio who has a CM 8 bay and a CM preamp and he got nothing. So, the best I can say is it may ultimately depend on your local conditions. I'm at about 750' + elevation and feel very lucky to get all three markets with few problems. I really believe that elevation is the key to long range reception. There are tools out there that will tell you your elevation. Hope things work out for you.

http://terraserver-usa.com/advfind.aspx?Panel=address

I didn't know you could be at 750 feet and still be on the ground anywhere in Michigan. That's got to be a lot higher than here. I'll give Fox-Lansing a crack tonight for "Caterwalling with Cowell." Otherwise, it's 66 through Dish.

Quake, that's what the topo map shows when I plug my address in. In fact the 750' line runs right through my house. If you plug your address in what do you get?

Is this your channel lineup? Are you getting it through cable? What area do you live in? I'm just curious because that's a better lineup than I get in E. Lansing. I'm also looking for a house, and while I wouldn't buy a house just because of the cable available in that area, it would be something I take into consideration. ;)

I didn't realize different areas of Comcast-served mid-Michigan had different channel availabilities!

I live South-West of Lansing, and this is the lineup I got when I entered in my zip code at the Comcast site.

Quake, that's what the topo map shows when I plug my address in. In fact the 750' line runs right through my house. If you plug your address in what do you get?

According to Google Earth, 618 feet. That's quite a bit lower than you are. I suppose the next step would be to figure out the elevation and height of the broadcast tower.

I didn't realize different areas of Comcast-served mid-Michigan had different channel availabilities!

I live South-West of Lansing, and this is the lineup I got when I entered in my zip code at the Comcast site.

I know that the lineups are at least a little different, but I'm not sure why. I get CBC on channel 9 in E. Lansing, for example. I know that CBC isn't available in at Lansing (at least in some parts of Lansing). I didn't realize that people in Lansing got CBS, ABC, and Fox in HD though.

Noticed the press release on WDWB in Detroit (channel 20 analog) is joining the new "MyNetworkTV" network next fall. The web page I saw this at also lists WHTV in Lansing/Jackson (analog channel 18) as going to be on that new network.

The web page is at:
http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=GBTVK&script=412&layout=-6&item_id=834551

I wonder if we will have a new "CW" network station around here.

Does Comcast East Lansing get FoxHD? It's not authorized on my box. (Can't get there directly; can't get there with channel up/down.)

While I'm at it, anybody getting terrible macroblocking on WILX-HD and WKAR-HD today?

WLAJ-DT to show CW Network

Looks like WLAJ and WWMT in Kazoo will be showing the "CW Network" next fall:

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/news/tvstations/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002277116

Wonder if they are going to use 53-2 for that, or add another subchannel.

Bah! I want a REAL station to broadcast the CW (or what ever it will be called) in HD. WB is on a sub channels in F/S/BC so no HD. CW will be moving to WKBD in the fall so there might be a marginally better HD signal up my way, but this isn't good news for anyone.

Changing the subject, WKAR is in the process of scheduling tower and antenna work in early May. We have a slow air leak in our transmission line and/or antenna and need to find it and repair it, the top beacon on the 1,000 foot tower needs replaced, and we are in need of full inspections and evaluations of that tower and our two AM towers.

When the tower work occurs, at various times for about a week, WKAR-TV (analog 23) and WKAR-FM (both analog and HD radio) will be at substantially reduced power, WKAR-DT (digital 55) will have to go off the air.

We'll be putting updates on our web page at http://wkar.org

Changing the subject, WKAR is in the process of scheduling tower and antenna work in early May. We have a slow air leak in our transmission line and/or antenna and need to find it and repair it, the top beacon on the 1,000 foot tower needs replaced, and we are in need of full inspections and evaluations of that tower and our two AM towers.

When the tower work occurs, at various times for about a week, WKAR-TV (analog 23) and WKAR-FM (both analog and HD radio) will be at substantially reduced power, WKAR-DT (digital 55) will have to go off the air.

We'll be putting updates on our web page at http://wkar.org

While you're up there, please hook up more juice to the DT signal so I can pick it up with my Silver Sensor rabbit ears in Jackson County and not have to get an aerial.

I noticed today on the FCC's web page that WLNS-DT is listed with an application for channel 36, with power of 663Kw ERP, same height on the antenna as they have for channel 59.

While you're up there, please hook up more juice to the DT signal so I can pick it up with my Silver Sensor rabbit ears in Jackson County and not have to get an aerial.

Sorry, FCC won't let us. FYI, we've applied for channel 40 after the conversion. The initial power assignement is also likely to be 50kW. We'll not be able to apply for more power until the FCC opens a new filing window.

Sorry, FCC won't let us. FYI, we've applied for channel 40 after the conversion. The initial power assignement is also likely to be 50kW. We'll not be able to apply for more power until the FCC opens a new filing window.

Well of course they won't let you if you ask them :)

I noticed today on the FCC's web page that WLNS-DT is listed with an application for channel 36, with power of 663Kw ERP, same height on the antenna as they have for channel 59.

Did I read correctly that WJRT-DT out of Flint is running on channel 36 right now? I take it they will also make another move?

WJRT-DT is moving back to channel 12 from what I saw earlier. I don't know when that will happen because that will take them off the air in analog, but they will have to do it if WLNS-DT is moving to 36.

Anybody know when UPN 18 is going digital? I sent them an e-mail and got no repsonse.

Anybody know when UPN 18 is going digital? I sent them an e-mail and got no repsonse.

Can't wait to get those steamey formerly latin soap operas, eh?

WHTV -is- digital now. Their antenna is located on a building in Jackson and is operating at 4kW ERP. Last I'd heard was that they were using an off-air pickup of their analog signal, digitizing it, then rebroadcasting it.

In 2001 Spartan filed to upgrade power to 130kW and change location, however, on April 7th Spartan amended their application to change power to 11.5kw and to change the location again.

http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_list.pl?Facility_id=29706

I have no idea when the FCC will act upon their application, it probably will need Canadian clearance, and it may have to wait until after the all of the spectrum re-pack channel assignements have been issued.

FCC is currently in round two of the channel re-pack, there is one more round to be scheduled after that.

Thanks for the reply, gary. I see WHTV is supposed to be on digital channel 34, but do you which subchannel they're using?

My TV is registering a new subchannel for WLNS at 59.4. Their regular HD signal is at 59.1. Anybody know if they are going to be broadcasting more/different stuff on 59.4 or are they just playing around testing the subchannel?

My SIR-T165 is reporting WLNS with a new 6-2. Nothing on it right now.

My TV is registering a new subchannel for WLNS at 59.4. Their regular HD signal is at 59.1. Anybody know if they are going to be broadcasting more/different stuff on 59.4 or are they just playing around testing the subchannel?

Please no...

Subchannels are evil.
No good ever came from a subchannel.
Subchannels are just that - sub standard.
Subchannels bring down the curve.
Subchannels steal.
Subchannels cheat.

:D

Today's Red Wings NHL game started off as an SD broadcast on WILX-DT, which surprised me because I figured the schedule was arranged so the Wings would be the featured national broadcast today. About five minutes in it looks like somebody fipped a switch and turned on the HD.

My SIR-T165 is reporting WLNS with a new 6-2. Nothing on it right now.


me 2

Anyone else get weird audio with NBC's high def broadcast? (channel 10.1)? It seems like when things get loud I get this sort of high pitched weird noise which I'm not even sure how to describe. It seems like I experienced this both when I had comcast and i saw their NBC broadcast and now when I'm getting their broadcast OTA. My signal strength is high and the picture has no problems at all - and no audio is dropping out... this noise seems to be on top of the normal audio I'm hearing (i.e. the audio doesn't get replaced with this weird noise - it's layered on top).

Anyone else get weird audio with NBC's high def broadcast? (channel 10.1)? It seems like when things get loud I get this sort of high pitched weird noise which I'm not even sure how to describe. It seems like I experienced this both when I had comcast and i saw their NBC broadcast and now when I'm getting their broadcast OTA. My signal strength is high and the picture has no problems at all - and no audio is dropping out... this noise seems to be on top of the normal audio I'm hearing (i.e. the audio doesn't get replaced with this weird noise - it's layered on top).

I don't remember any extra noise. As I posted before, they didn't even turn the HD on until about five minutes into the game, then there were a couple of times in the third that the broadcast slipped in and out of HD. Maybe that had something to do with your noise.

I don't remember any extra noise. As I posted before, they didn't even turn the HD on until about five minutes into the game, then there were a couple of times in the third that the broadcast slipped in and out of HD. Maybe that had something to do with your noise.
Oh, I'm sorry for the confusion. I wasn't just talking about the game. This is something I experience in every broadcast I get from them in high def.

Anyone else get weird audio with NBC's high def broadcast? (channel 10.1)? It seems like when things get loud I get this sort of high pitched weird noise which I'm not even sure how to describe. It seems like I experienced this both when I had comcast and i saw their NBC broadcast and now when I'm getting their broadcast OTA. My signal strength is high and the picture has no problems at all - and no audio is dropping out... this noise seems to be on top of the normal audio I'm hearing (i.e. the audio doesn't get replaced with this weird noise - it's layered on top).

I hear it also. Very annoying.
My signal is OTA.

Thanks for the reply, gary. I see WHTV is supposed to be on digital channel 34, but do you which subchannel they're using?

I can't get it where I live, so, I don't know for sure. But it is probably the only signal on it.

UPN-18's digital signal is expected to be off the air until at least July while they replace and upgrade equipment. They will return to DT channel 34 when they get that done. They will also be carrying the Detroit Tiger local broadcasts from WDWB-20's network.

getting an echo on channel 10-1

I too am seeing the 06-2 channel on WLNS but I am now having a problem viewing 06-1 on my Dish 811.

Tuning in 06-1 causes my screen to go black and after a few seconds the 811 reboots all by itself. After sat signal acquisition and program guide download, retuning 06-1 causes the 811 to reboot again.

Are there any other 811 owners out there having this same issue?

I assume that WLNS changed their PSIP information to add a digital sub but, I am not sure this is the cause of my problem.

Thanks in advance.

-Bill M.

getting an echo on channel 10-1

Me, too. I'm watching OTA on 57.3. The DirecTV audio feed of the analog signal didn't sound right, either.

I too am seeing the 06-2 channel on WLNS but I am now having a problem viewing 06-1 on my Dish 811.

Tuning in 06-1 causes my screen to go black and after a few seconds the 811 reboots all by itself. After sat signal acquisition and program guide download, retuning 06-1 causes the 811 to reboot again.

Are there any other 811 owners out there having this same issue?

I assume that WLNS changed their PSIP information to add a digital sub but, I am not sure this is the cause of my problem.

Thanks in advance.

-Bill M.


Don't assume WLNS changed the PSIP info. I've been contemplating getting a HD satellite receiver and have been following some of the AVS threads on them to see if/what I should get. The reboot problem is pretty common from what I've seen and most of the time the local station wasn't aware that their PSIP info was contributing. Contact WLNS to see if they changed the PSIP before you start thinking about any repairs, and check the thread(s) on AVS Forum for your receiver.

Me, too. I'm watching OTA on 57.3. The DirecTV audio feed of the analog signal didn't sound right, either.

I also heard the echo on 10-1 OTA.

I just heard back from WLNS.

They are having an equipment issue which should be resolved in a few days.

Currently they are running on "loaner" equipment. When the new equipment is in place the 2 sub channel will no longer be there.

Kudos to WLNS for trying to keep an HD signal going instead of going dark.

-Bill M.

Gregg Lowen is planning to be in the Lansing area sometime between the dates of May 22 to June 8th.

If you have been thinking of hiring Gregg to perform an ISF calibration, now would be a good time to contact him.

Gregg can be reached at gregg@lionav.com

If you would like some general information on the services Gregg provides, you can check out his website at: www.lionav.com

-Bill M.

WLNS is back to normal. Encoder replaced 5/2/06. Also, UPN 18 has their digital back up, happened some time last week.

I have noticed better signal strength on WSYM-DT. I wonder if they have increased their power recently. Anyone else?

I've been watching snippets of the pre-race coverage and haven't seen any HD coverage yet. I would think one of the "premier" racing events in the world would merit top capabilities.

Cheap @ss Bastards!

ABC 53 doesn't broadcast in HD half the time even when ABC provides the feed.. Case in point.. the Pistons game a couple of weeks ago. Never mind getting them to do any of their "normal" College football games in HD.

Can't seem to get Channel 12 out of Flint very well anymore.. what happened to their signal?

Also.. why am I getting Fox 47 showing up on 27-5 and 27-6 along with 47-1 and 47-2..

What channel is UPN 18 on?

Thanks!

Cheap @ss Bastards!

ABC 53 doesn't broadcast in HD half the time even when ABC provides the feed.. Case in point.. the Pistons game a couple of weeks ago. Never mind getting them to do any of their "normal" College football games in HD.

Can't seem to get Channel 12 out of Flint very well anymore.. what happened to their signal?

Also.. why am I getting Fox 47 showing up on 27-5 and 27-6 along with 47-1 and 47-2..

What channel is UPN 18 on?

Thanks!

WHTV-DT is at channel 34, I don't know which subchannel. They are broadcasting at low power, so don't be surprised if you can't get it.

I saw the Fox feeds at 27.5 and 27.6 myself. WSYM is also still going at channel 38 as well.

This bites with the Indy 500. I can't believe they aren't showing the HD. Guess I'll have to wait for tonight and watch NASCAR in HD on Fox.

WHTV is also on 6.2 from WLNS. It doesn't look very good, but it's there.

thanks.. Can't get 34.. not even close to enough signal from here. Don't see anything on 6-2 either, but will try another time.

I can't believe with all the HDTV sets out there now that the networks still foist off this lousy looking SD stuff... especially for sports.

Government has dictated the move to "Digital" very shortly, but the networks aren't compelled to broadcast in HD.

Vote with your remote. Don't watch new shows that aren't broadcast in HD. Wonder how many HD watchers are part of the Nielson ratings?

WHTV is also on 6.2 from WLNS. It doesn't look very good, but it's there.

WLNS has about 3.2mpbs of data at pid #65. I suspect that this is only viewable on some professional grade receivers, not via consumer receivers that rely upon PSIP information.

WKAR's digital encoders and multiplexers will be undergoing software upgrades, and a general whop up the side of the head on Monday and/or Tuesday (6/12 -6/13) next week.

We'll be dropping the 23.2 WKAR-DT simulcast of WKAR-TV during some intervals.

Gary,
Thanks for the Heads-Up. Is there some misbehaving electronics behind this?

Gary,
Thanks for the Heads-Up. Is there some misbehaving electronics behind this?

Mostly just an update, there are some issues.

It should allow us to use ethernet for the PSIP data from the generator instead of ASI, which will (a) free up an ASI input on the multiplexer and (b) allow the multiplexer to store PSIP data, so that if the generator is not working, or being rebooted, the PSIP data will continue.

Also, our statistical multiplexing has not been properly allocating bits between the HD and SD streams. We turned it off and went to fixed rates a couple of weeks ago.

Still to come is tower work, during some portion of which WKAR-DT will have to go dark.

I am considering getting a comcast HD tuner.
I currently have an OTA only tuner, but it has trouble locking on signals, even though I have an outdoor antenna.

Would I be able to get all of the local broadcasts OTA from the comcast tuner?

If anyone has any comments concerning comcast HD in Lansing, I would like to hear them.

Thanks!

Currently Comcast doesn't carry ABC or UPN in HD, but they have all the rest of the locals.

Currently Comcast doesn't carry ABC or UPN in HD, but they have all the rest of the locals.

I have the outdoor antenna. Would I be able to pick up ABC through the comcast tuner OTA?

I have the outdoor antenna. Would I be able to pick up ABC through the comcast tuner OTA?

No. The comcast tuners are just for comcast signals. You'll need an external set-top box or television set that is capable of ATSC use.

Currently Comcast doesn't carry ABC or UPN in HD, but they have all the rest of the locals.

UPN (WHTV/18) is not transmitting in HD, so there isn't any UPN HD available to rebroadcast. Nor does the 4kW ERP signal in dowtown Jackson reach to Lansing.

The UPN and WB networks both collapse this fall anyway. WHTV will be "My Network TV" and WLAJ will have the CW programming.

Information about WLAJ/Freedom Broadcasting/CW:
http://www.thefutoncritic.com/pr.aspx?id=20060404cw01

Information about My Network TV affiliates:
http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-my-network-tv-affiliates

WLAJ will have the CW programming.

I read the linked announcement about CW, but am still a little confused by this. Does this mean that WLAJ will cease to be an ABC affiliate this fall, or will WLAJ be carrying CW on a digital subchannel (e.g. 53-2 on my receiver)?

I haven't checked lately, but I thought that both 53-1 and 53-2 were still both carrying identical ABC programming.

I read the linked announcement about CW, but am still a little confused by this. Does this mean that WLAJ will cease to be an ABC affiliate this fall, or will WLAJ be carrying CW on a digital subchannel (e.g. 53-2 on my receiver)?

I haven't checked lately, but I thought that both 53-1 and 53-2 were still both carrying identical ABC programming.

I think a clue is in the Broadcasting & Cable notice:
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6322009.html?display=Breaking+News

The Freedom stations are WWMT-DT Grand Rapids-Kalamazoo-Battle Creek, Mi.; KFDM-DT Beaumont-Port Arthur, Texas; and KTVL-DT Medford-Klamath Falls, Ore..; and WLAJ-DT Lansing, Mi.

....

WUPV and WHDF are UPN affiliates; KFDM-DT and WLAJ-DT are WB 100-Plus affiliates. Numerous stations have used some of their digital spectrum to program WB and UPN channels. CW is taking the same route in some mid and smaller markets (all the new markets are 39 and below).


Note that the affiliation information references WLAJ-DT not WLAJ-TV.

I currently have an OTA only tuner, but it has trouble locking on signals, even though I have an outdoor antenna.

Then something is wrong. I live in Williamston and get a perfectly good signal with an antenna sitting on the floor in my office. If you live in Lansing and have an outdoor antenna, you shouldn't have any problems getting the locals. What kind of tuner do you have? What kind of antenna? Is there anything else in the signal path between the antenna and the tuner (like a surge protector)?

Then something is wrong. I live in Williamston and get a perfectly good signal with an antenna sitting on the floor in my office. If you live in Lansing and have an outdoor antenna, you shouldn't have any problems getting the locals. What kind of tuner do you have? What kind of antenna? Is there anything else in the signal path between the antenna and the tuner (like a surge protector)?
Yes, Chris, you are right. The something wrong is my first generation Samsung 151 receiver.
I've read on various forums that this receiver is one of the worst at keeping the signal locked.
My outdoor antenna is a CM4221 on a rotor.

I was looking into getting HD through either satellite or Cable.

This way, I could upgrade to a better OTA receiver as well as have ESPN and others in HD.

However, I didn't know that comcast's HD receiver wasn't OTA capable, so I'm not sure what I want to do. I had E* a few years ago, and it wasn't a pleasant experience, so I'm hesitant to go the satellite route again.

A friend of mine who lives in Okemos has a Samsung 151 and he gets a solid signal lock on all the locals with an indoor antenna. The CM4221 is much better than what he has (that's what I have sitting on the floor in my office), so I still tend to think something else may be wrong. Is there anything else in the signal path between the antenna and the tuner (like a surge protector)? Could you plug the antenna directly into your tv just to see how it does with UHF analog signals?

A friend of mine who lives in Okemos has a Samsung 151 and he gets a solid signal lock on all the locals with an indoor antenna. The CM4221 is much better than what he has (that's what I have sitting on the floor in my office), so I still tend to think something else may be wrong. Is there anything else in the signal path between the antenna and the tuner (like a surge protector)? Could you plug the antenna directly into your tv just to see how it does with UHF analog signals?

This receiver has always been a little quirky. If there is a sudden loud noise in the room such as someone yelling, clapping hands loudly, slaming a book on a table, etc, the receiver loses the signal lock for a couple of seconds. It's the weirdest thing. Over on the Spot forum, someone replied that they had a similar situation, so I know I'm not going crazy :D

The only thing between the antenna and the receiver is the lightening arrester (I think that is what it is called) that is just before the line comes into the house. I don't run the line through a surge protector.

Adrian D,

That antenna should be able to get everything in Lansing and some out of town stations. Must be a problem with your Samsung 151 (not a good sign because I'm picking up one for a friend of mine).



Note to anybody around here that can get WXMI-DT out of G.R.:

I noticed on the G.R./Kazoo page today that they say WXMI-DT is now running "The Tube" music video channel on 17-2. So something else to watch in SD around here.

Mark

If I can get all the stations except WKAR-DT from 15-40 miles away with rabbit ears, anybody with an aerial should be able to get them crystal clear unless their equipment is fubar.

As of today Lansing Comcast cable has "On Demand".

In the DeWitt area, the message regarding On Demand says it is "coming soon". It does not currently appear on our menu.

We did pick up ESPN2 in HD recently.

Today about 2:00 my box turned off and did a download and when it was done the on demand was there and the main menu was changed.

Currently Comcast doesn't carry ABC or UPN in HD, but they have all the rest of the locals.

STILL no ABC? The only major network show that I care about being in HD is Lost, and this is basically why I canceled my Comcast HD/digital service - not enough to make the extra $25 or so worth it without Lost.

Oh well, moving to a new house in August so I can FINALLY get a dish (moving from an apartment with only a North facing view)... the DishTV HDTV promo right now is tough to beat - $30 HD "Bronze Pacakge" for 10 months (no HD ABC from that in my area either, but at least they give you an OTA tuner with the system).

God I hate Comcast... hopefully Lighthouse BPL gets it together in the next month (they claim they are rolling out service next week in Grand Ledge) so there will finally be some compitition in the high speed internet business here.

This receiver has always been a little quirky. If there is a sudden loud noise in the room such as someone yelling, clapping hands loudly, slaming a book on a table, etc, the receiver loses the signal lock for a couple of seconds. It's the weirdest thing. Over on the Spot forum, someone replied that they had a similar situation, so I know I'm not going crazy :D

The only thing between the antenna and the receiver is the lightening arrester (I think that is what it is called) that is just before the line comes into the house. I don't run the line through a surge protector.


I live in lansing...and I have 2 extra atsc tuners laying around here that I can let you test to see if your problem is really in the reciever. Pm me and we can meet up.

I have talked by phone with someone at wkar- hopefully it was you Gary. I am in Galesburg and use the lansing stations because I have only a uhf antenna and wwmt (3-cbs) is notoriously a weak station. For me your signal seems to come and go. Last we talked a change in your exciter seemed to be the difference. 6-10-47 and 53 all come in at 90+. wkar comes in at about 75. I dont know what the power rating is for each but I am thrilled to get these stations so strong. I really like your programming and have tried to find it at 35/52 in Gr. but they only broadcast after about 8pm. At this distance weather seems to be a factor.


Any ideas for a consistant signal?????



John

I have talked by phone with someone at wkar- hopefully it was you Gary. I am in Galesburg and use the lansing stations because I have only a uhf antenna and wwmt (3-cbs) is notoriously a weak station. For me your signal seems to come and go. Last we talked a change in your exciter seemed to be the difference. 6-10-47 and 53 all come in at 90+. wkar comes in at about 75. I dont know what the power rating is for each but I am thrilled to get these stations so strong. I really like your programming and have tried to find it at 35/52 in Gr. but they only broadcast after about 8pm. At this distance weather seems to be a factor.

Any ideas for a consistant signal?????
John

Galesburg is approximately 58 miles away from out transmitter site in Okemos, our 41dBu coverage contour only goes out 47 miles. The FCC allocated to us only 56kW, compared to WLNS where they authorized 1,000kW. The WLNS 41dbU contour is approximately 60 miles.

Reception of our signal is Galesburg is difficult at best, not just because of power levels, but because of the curvature of the earth.

I think if everything here is going perfectly well, if our exciter is behaving itself completely (and, actually, it hasn't been*) and if we are at 100% power, then maybe you can get us.

WGVU's digital stations are VHF.

BTW, you all remember months ago when I mentioned that we were going to have a tower crew come in? Well they are finally scheduled to arrive today. At some point, WKAR-TV and -FM will each have to switch to emergency antennas at the 500 foot level, a substantial power reduction for both, and WKAR-DT will have to go off air, this while the crew is working near the top of the tower, or on the antenna.


*one exiciter is doing reasonably well, but the bit error rate is higher than it should be. the other exciter isn't working at all. We have replacement components on order, which should be here shortly.

I receive 23.1 and 23.2 quite regularly. I have a cm4228 antenna and a winegard 8275 pre amp. All of the Lansing stations 6-10-47-53 all come in almost 100% of the time. Only 23 is sporadic and this is in part that I have 4 tv s running on a splitter. When I connect just one tv without a spliter I rarely lose your signal. I have two hd tv s with built in tuners and two analog tv s with directv hughes hd e86 receivers for ota signals. I do not subscribe to Directv- I have comcast for now but switchin to Dish because comcast is not hd in our area... I would rather watch a rerun in hd then watch a new proram in std .

thanks for the feedback Gary



John

Gary, got a question, it's been bothering me for about a week now. I watched the last 30 minutes of "A Capitol 4th" on WKAR-DT and it seemed a little soft to me. Since I missed the first hour and you kill the transmitter at midnight I recorded it on WFUM at 11PM. The picture was sharper. I was looking for something to validate what I thought I was seeing and found it.

When Stevie Wonder sits down at his Clavinette on the back of it there was some writing. On WKAR it was unreadable, but on WFUM I could clearly read "DC input 6 to 9 volts" on the back of the unit. Both stations are running sub channels why the difference?

For LittleGuy2004
John on your CM 4228 do u have a rotor to get all the stations or were u able to just set the antenna to a direction and leave it. The reason I ask is that I have a JVC HDTV and I cant use a rotor very well as the scan on the JVC has to see all the stations u cant tune in later (u can rescan but thats a pain) and I cant get D23 without losing most of the rest of the stations. Im using the Winegard ms2000 amplified antenna for now...its going to the lake for general tv reception...and I'm in the market for a new antenna and amp. I'm 4.9 miles away (in the Holt area) from 23 and cant pick it up with that antenna...i get 6-1,10-1,31-1,31-2,41-1 and 41-2,47-153-1. The antenna has a clear shot and is a few feet higher than my roof peak and no trees between me and the antenna.
Bob

Yes I do have a rotor. but once I set it for the lansing stations I do not have to move it... I move it only for grand rapids or southbend

When Stevie Wonder sits down at his Clavinette on the back of it there was some writing. On WKAR it was unreadable, but on WFUM I could clearly read "DC input 6 to 9 volts" on the back of the unit. Both stations are running sub channels why the difference?

I'm suspecting that it is in our 1080i to 720p conversion. We're just using the converter that is included in our satellite receivers, we'll be upgrading to an external dedicated unit this fall.

Anyone noticing problems with sound on ABC 53.1 OTA on HD programming? I get the background or music sound fine but no voices (like they are broadcasting 5.1 but missing voices). When the program cuts to commercial all sound returns. I can also pick up ABC out of Grand Rapids and that is fine.

For LittleGuy2004
John on your CM 4228 do u have a rotor to get all the stations or were u able to just set the antenna to a direction and leave it. The reason I ask is that I have a JVC HDTV and I cant use a rotor very well as the scan on the JVC has to see all the stations u cant tune in later (u can rescan but thats a pain) and I cant get D23 without losing most of the rest of the stations. Im using the Winegard ms2000 amplified antenna for now...its going to the lake for general tv reception...and I'm in the market for a new antenna and amp. I'm 4.9 miles away (in the Holt area) from 23 and cant pick it up with that antenna...i get 6-1,10-1,31-1,31-2,41-1 and 41-2,47-153-1. The antenna has a clear shot and is a few feet higher than my roof peak and no trees between me and the antenna.
Bob


you cant just do your lansing scan with antenna in place...then rotate it and just ADD Digital channel for 23? without having to do a full scan? 3 of my recievers have that basic function.

Anyone noticing problems with sound on ABC 53.1 OTA on HD programming? I get the background or music sound fine but no voices (like they are broadcasting 5.1 but missing voices). When the program cuts to commercial all sound returns. I can also pick up ABC out of Grand Rapids and that is fine.


Yes i have noticed this, i was actually watching some stupid show they had on last night (7/19/06) and i was switching back and forth between 53.1 and 53.2 because the HD channel had no primary voice coming in, it was like their mic's were off, but switch it to the SD channel and it was fine. Its strange, and also i have my 5.1 SS system hooked up via optical connection and i get poping noise's every now and then from them, but no other channel does it.

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Sorry to just jump in here, i have been reading this thread for two days now, lol. I live in Okemos, and have a Polaroid HDTV with the buit in tuner. For an antenna i am running a cheap Terk TV4 with an amp on it and the channels i get are:

WLNS (6.1)
WSYM (38.1,2) [isnt it suppose to be 47.1?]
WKAR (23.1,2)
WLAJ (53.1,2)
WILX (10.1)

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I purchased a better HD antenna on the opionion of a friend, a Terk TV55, and this antenna SUCKS! I hooked it up, and only got WLNS. So i took the amp that came with it and used that with my TV4. The CEA color code for the TV55 is "light green" but it is just a bad antenna i think.

I currently live in Okemos. I do not have an HDTV but plan on buying on this month. I dont know if anyone will have any experience with this cable company but I thought I would give it a shot. Its called Advanced Media Services and they supply cable to Club Meridian apartments and other apartments. Does anyone know how the HD signal is through them? I was curious if I should pay for their service or just get my own antenna? Any help would be greatly appreciated! Very exctied for the HD

Spotdog - With all due respect your friend, s/he doesn't know much about hdtv antennas. To the best of my knowledge, Terk does not make any good antennas. Period. A simple inexpensive bow-tie antenna will significantly outperform the Terk.

thegame34 - Based on the lack of replies, it doesn't look like anyone here is familiar with Advanced Media Services. I would actually be surprised if they offer any HD channels. The good news is that, given your location, you shouldn't have any problems with HD reception, even with an indoor antenna.

Chris - I hope this isnt a horrible question to ask around here. Since I am new to HDTV and you said I would be able to pick up channels with an indoor antenna at my location - Any suggestions on an antenna? Thanks for all the help.

I'm not sure what antennas Radio Shack carries these days, but you could always start there and see if they sell a simple bow-tie antenna. I'm using a Channel Master 4221 (http://www.warrenelectronics.com/antennas/4221.htm) as an indoor antenna. It's a bit large (39"x20"), but you can put it somewhere out of sight. Mine is sitting on the floor behind a file cabinet.

thegame34,

You could try a UHF "silver sensor" indoor antenna. I don't know anybody that is selling them in the Lansing area any more. Fulton Radio Supply on S. Penn. in Lansing has the Terk clone of that antenna with the VHF "rabbit ears". Not sure how well the Terk works but the real "silver sensor" does a good job on the local UHF digitals. Like Chris says, Terk antennas are not know for being very good. Fultons also sells a outdoor antenna like the Channel Master 4221, I think it's a Winegard PR-4400. They are a very good antenna for their size.

thegame34,

You could try a UHF "silver sensor" indoor antenna. I don't know anybody that is selling them in the Lansing area any more. Fulton Radio Supply on S. Penn. in Lansing has the Terk clone of that antenna with the VHF "rabbit ears". Not sure how well the Terk works but the real "silver sensor" does a good job on the local UHF digitals. Like Chris says, Terk antennas are not know for being very good. Fultons also sells a outdoor antenna like the Channel Master 4221, I think it's a Winegard PR-4400. They are a very good antenna for their size.


I have had good reception with a Terk TV4 with an inline amp to pick up Fox 47 (PS if you read my post up above it is showing up as 47 now).

I personally have had no luck with a silver sensor. Here is a cheap place to start, I am currently using 2 of these
MCM electronics #58-10125 $12.95
You'll have to search for MCM online as I can't post the address.

Go to Radio Shack and order (or get it over the Internet) their double bowtie antenna as suggested by Chris. It is the best and costs under $20. I've got two in my attic (two receivers) and I installed one for a friend at Timber Ridge condos. His is sitting on the ground pointing through the trees and he picks up all Lansing stations.

I upgraded my D* to HD. I was an existing customer and they are offering the same rebates as for new customers with 4 months free HD if you call them and push them. I get the H20 receiver with the 5-LNB dish for free after the rebate, $20 for install, pretty good deal. I'm HD ready for football season and will be set to go when they launch the new HD-dedicated birds next year.

Not everything is rosy, though. FSN Detroit is increasing its HD coverage (finally) and contracted to carry 25 Tiger games after the All-Star break, along with select Red Wings and Pistons games. Here's the rub: Even though FSD is the regional sports channel for the Lansing market, we will still get only a handful of those FSD HD games. FSD is broadcasting most of the games on what they refer to as the "Detroit spot beam", and if you aren't in one of the designated zip codes, many of the games will be unavailable to the Lansing market.

I detected the problem today. FSD ran a scroll that today's Indians-Tigers game was also available in HD. No HD game was showing on my guide. I called customer service and they said the game was on channel 96. No 96 on my guide and after much looking they said the game was only available live in certain regions and the Indians-Tigers game would be replayed on channel 95 later (but no listing for it). I did some more research after talking to them and figured the problem out. If the game is broadcast on channels 94, 95, 97 or 98, we get it. If D* puts it on 90-93 or 96, we are screwed. And guess which channels most of our Detroit team HD games will be on?

I know this was a satellite thread, but it is more pertinently a Lansing HD market thread.

This is correct. Even though our local RSN is FSD, and technically the Detroit Spot Beam can probably be received in mid-Michigan, it is only available to the Detroit DMA. It won't be available here until our stations are avaiable from D*. Probably 2007.

Just an FYI if it ever comes up again. I posted a few days ago about Advance Media Services HD. I have my HD set up now and it does have all the locals in clear HD! Thanks for all the help everyone.

Just reporting - i live on the west side of lansing on mt. hope in a basement apt. Picked up cheapest best buy rabbit ears for 9.99, and i get all the hd ota signals. Beautiful.

I upgraded my D* to HD. I was an existing customer and they are offering the same rebates as for new customers with 4 months free HD if you call them and push them. I get the H20 receiver with the 5-LNB dish for free after the rebate, $20 for install, pretty good deal. I'm HD ready for football season and will be set to go when they launch the new HD-dedicated birds next year.

Not everything is rosy, though. FSN Detroit is increasing its HD coverage (finally) and contracted to carry 25 Tiger games after the All-Star break, along with select Red Wings and Pistons games. Here's the rub: Even though FSD is the regional sports channel for the Lansing market, we will still get only a handful of those FSD HD games. FSD is broadcasting most of the games on what they refer to as the "Detroit spot beam", and if you aren't in one of the designated zip codes, many of the games will be unavailable to the Lansing market.

I detected the problem today. FSD ran a scroll that today's Indians-Tigers game was also available in HD. No HD game was showing on my guide. I called customer service and they said the game was on channel 96. No 96 on my guide and after much looking they said the game was only available live in certain regions and the Indians-Tigers game would be replayed on channel 95 later (but no listing for it). I did some more research after talking to them and figured the problem out. If the game is broadcast on channels 94, 95, 97 or 98, we get it. If D* puts it on 90-93 or 96, we are screwed. And guess which channels most of our Detroit team HD games will be on?

I know this was a satellite thread, but it is more pertinently a Lansing HD market thread.

I'm in the same boat as you, Cornell. We need to bug D* about this and get FSD HD to Lansing ASAP. Twaller, we could use your help too. Who's with me?!

Hey, I'm with you on this one. AVS poster guffy1 in the Traverse City market is one of the best advocates for our cause also. The Grand Rapids market is supposed to get HD LiL this month. We will see if this includes FSD..........

Wanna hear something funny? (sarcasm). Tonight's game is on right now. I punch in 96 on my remote, and D* goes to 96, I see the game all its HD glory for about 1 and a half seconds, and then it says channel not available and flips back to the previous channel. :D

I'm in the same boat as you, Cornell. We need to bug D* about this and get FSD HD to Lansing ASAP. Twaller, we could use your help too. Who's with me?!

I'm grabbing a pitchfork and torch right now...

DTV is broadcasting three of the four White Sox-Tigers games in HD to the Lansing market this week on channel 95. Don't get used to it, they will still screw us the rest of the season by putting the HD games on unavailable channels, but take advantage while you can.

I've decided that if I am going to show folks how good HD can look, I am going to show them a Fox Sports Detroit-HD broadcast of a Tiger game. FSD may have come late to the HD party, but man do they ever have their technical stuff together. I had a friend over Monday night and she said it the picture looked so good it was like she was there.

Go to Radio Shack and order (or get it over the Internet) their double bowtie antenna as suggested by Chris. It is the best and costs under $20. I've got two in my attic (two receivers) and I installed one for a friend at Timber Ridge condos. His is sitting on the ground pointing through the trees and he picks up all Lansing stations.


do you mean this

How does it work? I recently moved to the lake lansing area and my HD reception with my current setup sucks! i can only get 23 and 6 (both come in without an antenna too). I can kinda get 53, but i would like to get 10 and 47 back. Im going to radio shack today to get one of those. Any other suggestions?

do you mean this

How does it work? I recently moved to the lake lansing area and my HD reception with my current setup sucks! i can only get 23 and 6 (both come in without an antenna too). I can kinda get 53, but i would like to get 10 and 47 back. Im going to radio shack today to get one of those. Any other suggestions?

Confused. On 7/20 and 8/1 you said you were getting signals, today, you say you are only getting 6 & 23 ? An earlier post said you were in Okemos, today, you are in Lake Lansing. Did you move between then and now? Else, what changed?

Perhaps, one possible cause; the E layer in the ionsopher is acting up about now, I was getting a WDCQ-DT from Delta College this morning on the back-side of my antenna.

At any rate, anywhere along Lake Lansing you should be able to get the local stations, I always recommend an outdoor antenna for DTV, and I always recommend against the amplified round flying-saucer omnidirectional antennas.

Spotdog14: The RadioShack double bowtie antenna is their model number 15-624. As I mentioned, they have to order it for you or you have to order it from their website. It is no longer stocked by any store.

Confused. On 7/20 and 8/1 you said you were getting signals, today, you say you are only getting 6 & 23 ? An earlier post said you were in Okemos, today, you are in Lake Lansing. Did you move between then and now? Else, what changed?

Perhaps, one possible cause; the E layer in the ionsopher is acting up about now, I was getting a WDCQ-DT from Delta College this morning on the back-side of my antenna.

At any rate, anywhere along Lake Lansing you should be able to get the local stations, I always recommend an outdoora antenna for DTV, and I always recommend against the amplified round flying-saucer omnidirectional antennas.

Let me try to clear it up, sorry for the confusion. Before i was living in an apartment in Okemos, but right across from the Haslett High School (its really Haslett, but mailing address is Okemos). Before i moved i was living in a 3 floor apartment complex facing the south with no obstructions in the way, and i was on the ground floor.

Now i moved to a house on Lake Lansing (officially Haslett) I have that Terk TV55 as i stated in some previous posts in the attic to see if i could get better signal, it sucks! I can only get 6 and 23, but i can get those as well even without the antenna. Anywho i went to Sears today and got two HDTV antennas, one is a "Rural -suburban range" and the other "Suburban - urban range" oh and both are RCA.

The "Suburban-urban range" antenna sucks, i would only get 6, and 23. The other i can get all the channels except for FOX 47 (so i can get 6, 10, 23, 53), and the really odd thing is depending on how i position the antenna i get PAX 31 and its three sub channels out of Detroit.

I really need to get a better antenna because i cannot keep a channel without distortion.

Spotdog14: The RadioShack double bowtie antenna is their model number 15-624. As I mentioned, they have to order it for you or you have to order it from their website. It is no longer stocked by any store.


Yup that is the one that i thought you were talking about, i went to an actual Radio Shack store today and said that they have stoped making them. But ill keep trying to get one online, how are they for my cituation?

Here is the info on my channels from Antenna Web:

WLNS CBS (6) 168* 5.7 miles away
WSYM FOX (47) 216* 24 miles away
WKAR PBS (23) 188* 4.5 miles away
WLAJ ABC (53) 199* 24.6 miles away
WILX NBC (10) 206* 23.9 miles away
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Channels i have never gotten:
WAQP TBN (49 35* 36.2 miles away
WJRT ABC (12) 34* 36.6 miles away
WSMH FOX (16) 35* 36.2 miles away


What should i do?

spotdog,
I think the best deal for an antenna is the channelmaster 4221 4-bay UHF antenna.
I bought mine for less than $30 at Purchase Radio Supply in Ann Arbor
(800)783-8696 , or you can follow the link Chris White made above to order and have it shipped.
This antenna is much, much better than the Terks, RCA, or Radio Shack antennas previously mentioned.

It's always better to go with a directional antenna, even if you are fairly close the the towers. One of the major problems with DT reception is Multipath interference which can be substantially reduced with directional antenna. WLNS' tower is between Okemos and Williamston and it is at 1000kw, you could probably get that with a coat hanger, WKAR is in Okemos, and running less power, but should be no problem. WLAJ, WILX, and WSYM are between Lansing and Jackson, and from your location, could be picked up easily with a directional antenna. From my location, about 10 miles east of Lake Lansing, I have no problem with WLNS, WLAJ, WSYM, WILX or WKAR.
I have an Antennas Direct XG91,and I can pick up WJRT (Chesaning), WEYI (Clio), WNEM (Saginaw), and WDCQ (University Center). BTW the tower for PAX 31 is actually between Stockbridge and Chelsea on M52. WSMH-DT is not on the air yet, but should be very soon with an ERP of 19.3 Kw from a Chesaning tower location. It is unknown how the coverage will be, but may be receiveable from Lansing area locations, expecially to the north and east of the city.

spotdog,
I think the best deal for an antenna is the channelmaster 4221 4-bay UHF antenna.
I bought mine for less than $30 at Purchase Radio Supply in Ann Arbor
(800)783-8696 , or you can follow the link Chris White made above to order and have it shipped.
This antenna is much, much better than the Terks, RCA, or Radio Shack antennas previously mentioned.

Ill take a look at the Channelmaster 4221, thanks for the info, im taking back the RCA Sears antennas today.

It's always better to go with a directional antenna, even if you are fairly close the the towers. One of the major problems with DT reception is Multipath interference which can be substantially reduced with directional antenna. WLNS' tower is between Okemos and Williamston and it is at 1000kw, you could probably get that with a coat hanger, WKAR is in Okemos, and running less power, but should be no problem. WLAJ, WILX, and WSYM are between Lansing and Jackson, and from your location, could be picked up easily with a directional antenna. From my location, about 10 miles east of Lake Lansing, I have no problem with WLNS, WLAJ, WSYM, WILX or WKAR.
I have an Antennas Direct XG91,and I can pick up WJRT (Chesaning), WEYI (Clio), WNEM (Saginaw), and WDCQ (University Center). BTW the tower for PAX 31 is actually between Stockbridge and Chelsea on M52. WSMH-DT is not on the air yet, but should be very soon with an ERP of 19.3 Kw from a Chesaning tower location. It is unknown how the coverage will be, but may be receiveable from Lansing area locations, expecially to the north and east of the city.

The funny thing is that i can disconnect all the cables from the back of my tv and get WILX (6) and PBS (23.1, 23.2) fine! lol. I have been looking at a 42XG from antennas direct for mounting in my attic. Im only really concerned about getting 53, 10, and 47 and all are within a 17* difference of eachother so from what i have been reading a Uni-Directional antenna would be perfect? (or am i wrong?) since 6 and 23 come in perfect even without an antenna, they should come in fine with the antenna pointed at about a 200*. I also hate this new PAX channel i get.... lol....


Thank you guys so much for the help, its really been great, i hopefully will be able to get back up and running soon.


P.S. Would the 91XG work better in my attic than the 42XG, since it is going to be in my attic and not on the roof?

The 91XG is a larger and higher gain antenna, but is highly directional. Outside is always best of course. I would try the 42XG in the attic first.

spotdog14,
I live in an apartment in east lansing and the antenna that worked best for me was the Terk hdtva. I can get pbs, cbs, fox, nbc, and abc without having to move it around at all. I tried the 15-1892 from radioshack and also the bowtie, but they did not work as well. If you want to try the bowtie, the radioshack in meridian mall might still be holding it for me. I bought and returned it, and then a few days later they called to tell me that it had arrived I could pick it up. This was about a week ago. You can see if they are holding one for Ed.

Anybody have any luck with the Channel Master 3010 "Stealthtenna" in Lansing?

Also, does anyone know if Lansing will get "The Tube" music network? It's in the western Michigan market and the eastern Michigan market, but both are a bit distant to pick up with the antenna I'll be able to mount in an apartment complex.

Thanks.

Is D* gonna have Tigers at Yankees on 95 tonight?

edit: Game got postponed to tomorrow due to weather. But I don't think we'll be getting it anyway. It's just one of those "call and order" games.

I was watching tv last night and on channel 6.1 the picture was not very sharp.


It didnt appear to be in hd

anyone else notice this??




John

Anybody have any luck with the Channel Master 3010 "Stealthtenna" in Lansing?

Also, does anyone know if Lansing will get "The Tube" music network? It's in the western Michigan market and the eastern Michigan market, but both are a bit distant to pick up with the antenna I'll be able to mount in an apartment complex.

Thanks.


I have the channel master cm4228 and the winegard 7777 and I have fantastic results from grand rapids to lansing to south bend (with a rotor). Since this antenna has be so widely given high praises why would anyone use anything else unless they need vhf.. ps the 4228 also picks up channel 8(7)


good luck

Is D* gonna have Tigers at Yankees on 95 tonight?

edit: Game got postponed to tomorrow due to weather. But I don't think we'll be getting it anyway. It's just one of those "call and order" games.

I was wondering about that myself. I thought I had read FSD is only offering HD for Tiger home games, so I figured Tuesday's intended HD broadcast would be the Yankees' feed and intended for the New York market only. I think all those games are part of the MLB Extra Innings package and only visible to you if you subscribe or if your regional sports network carries it. When I turned over to channel 95 a little after 7, D* had their banner up and the musak playing like when a game is over. Maybe they're going to throw us one and let us Michigan peons see it in HD, too.

I have started to consider Comcast HD, with just the standard cable package for only $5 more a month. I get FOX, but i wont be able to get ABC, and LOST is super important to me, but my current setup now i get ABC perfectly, so i might just get an HD Comcast box to pick up the rest of the local channels and then to watch ABC i would switch over to my OTA tuner.

How have your guy's experiance with Comcast HD been?

I hated Comcast. Their boxes didn't handle the upconverting/downcoverting very well, it always seemed kind of "muddy" looking, and the price wasn't worth what I got. On top of that, they had a habit of adding charges to my bill that weren't valid, and I had to call them constantly to tell them to remove these bogus charges.

For example, they'd send their independent contractors out to disconnect cable a few weeks after I'd paid my bill in full, and the contractors- upon seeing the receipt- would say "They never told me to cancel this! I wish they'd remember so I don't have to make a pointless trip." but then I'd see a $25 "site visit" fee applied to my bill. Basically, they fouled up their inter-office communications, sent a guy to disconnect when I was all paid up, and then charged me for their mistake in sending the guy in the first place. After three of these, I quit Comcast and now I'm sticking with broadcast.

Comcast's HD selection is weak, and if you're using their box (do you have a choice?) it doesn't look very good, either. Expect to have to ZOOM every HD show to fit your TV.

Any other Comcast users get a recent firmware update and now there's an advertisement taking up half of the guide screen? How do I get rid of this?

I hated Comcast. Their boxes didn't handle the upconverting/downcoverting very well, it always seemed kind of "muddy" looking, and the price wasn't worth what I got. On top of that, they had a habit of adding charges to my bill that weren't valid, and I had to call them constantly to tell them to remove these bogus charges.

For example, they'd send their independent contractors out to disconnect cable a few weeks after I'd paid my bill in full, and the contractors- upon seeing the receipt- would say "They never told me to cancel this! I wish they'd remember so I don't have to make a pointless trip." but then I'd see a $25 "site visit" fee applied to my bill. Basically, they fouled up their inter-office communications, sent a guy to disconnect when I was all paid up, and then charged me for their mistake in sending the guy in the first place. After three of these, I quit Comcast and now I'm sticking with broadcast.

Comcast's HD selection is weak, and if you're using their box (do you have a choice?) it doesn't look very good, either. Expect to have to ZOOM every HD show to fit your TV.


Wow, well thank you for the headsup, i too am a Comcast hater! At my old apartment, my girlfriend and I lived at we just had the standard cable and 3 meg internet service and we would continually get charged for things we did not have such as "box rental" we only rented the cable modem not a digital box, we didnt even HAVE digital cable.... WTF, and they would charge us for "On-Demand programing" when yet again we didnt even have a digital box.....

Then the RCA modem that we had all of a sudden one night would not talk to my Linksys wifi router. I contacted Linksys (awsome support BTW) and after about 3 weeks of trouble shooting they contacted Comcast and found out that they upgraded somthing in their system and was causing all sorts of problems with peoples wifi routers. The strange this is that it happened to my buddy that had the old Motorola SurfBoard modem as well.... Damn Comcast anyways!

Thanks again for the advice i think ill just stick with the standard Com****** cable and internet and get my HD OTA.

anyone else have MDM and try to view the US Open tennis match between Agassi and Becker? Picture kept jumping and pixelating throughout....so, I decided to check out an HD program or two this evening...and went to (ugh) NASCAR on WILX HD via the MDM cable feed.....same problem...jumping picture and pixelating frequently.

I went to WKAR HD and that signal is solid as a rock...so I guess MDM is taking the local HD signals OTA and they aren't locking in to a strong signal for WLNS and WILX at least. Would love to hear from anyone else having these problems so we can pass the complaint on to MDM...I have, of course, already emailed them but only one voice won't get much attention, I am afraid.

Tonight's Tigers game on FSN HD is on channel 95! Yay!! So us outside the "Spotbeam" can watch it! Yayyyy!

edit: But unfortunately there had to be an hour and 23 minute rain delay, and the Tigs lost. ARG. Hope this 95 airing trend keeps up though, gosh darnit. Or, D* could just give us channel 96 :mad:

I have started to consider Comcast HD, with just the standard cable package for only $5 more a month. I get FOX, but i wont be able to get ABC, and LOST is super important to me, but my current setup now i get ABC perfectly, so i might just get an HD Comcast box to pick up the rest of the local channels and then to watch ABC i would switch over to my OTA tuner.

How have your guy's experiance with Comcast HD been?

Not bad here. Unlike some posters, I haven't had any mysterious or wrong charges showing up, no people appearing at random to bill me for disconnecting paid-up cable.

HD selection consists of TNT, CBS, NBC, FOX, PBS, Discovery, ESPN, ESPN2, INHD, INHD2, plus any premium channels you pay for (I don't).

Picture quality has been excellent, setting the cablebox's output to 720p (matching native screen rez).

Personally, given a choice, I'd probably go with Dish based on a pure price/HDchannel ratio, but I don't have the option of knocking over a few of my neighbors' trees :)

For people to the north or east, WSMH fox 66 (Flint/Saginaw) is now up on channel 16. It only took them 3 years or so to deal with the Canadian border issue, or at least that's what they have been claiming anyway.

Can anybody point me to summaries of: (1) the post-transition channel assignments applied for by the Lansing-area broadcasters and (2) when changeover is expected?

I read the applications as:
WSYM (Fox) elected 38 in the first round.WLNS (CBS) wants 36 and shaved a little coverage to the southeast so as not to interfere with a Lafayette station.WKAR (PBS) applied for 40 with a fallback to 25.WLAJ (ABC; CW on subchannel 2) elected 51 in the first round.WILX (NBC) elected 10 in the first round.

Thanks for your attention.

Edit to include list, above.

I do believe you've got it.

WKAR has a been assigned channel 40 as "Tentative Channel Designation" for Digital Television effective at the end of the 'simulcast period' February, 2009.

However, the assignment it isn't in the FCC's database, final issuance of the channel is pending international frequency coordination.

I get great OTA signals on 47,53, and 10 which are roughly 15-20 miles from my home. I get horrible signals on 6 and 23 which are less than 3 miles from my home. They constantly go out when watching programming on them.

I ordered an inline attenuator tonight online for a couple bucks (6db attenuation) after someone suggested that might knock down the signal. I guess I may actually be too close and the signal may be overpowering the receiver.

I then found this message board, wish I would've found it first.

Anyone have a thought on whether this attenuator, in theory, may help? My concern is that it will reduce the other signals too much but is worth a couple bucks to find out. I will have to wait to actually check until next when it arrives.

Not that it matters but FYI - I have a Channel Master 4221 4 bay fixed antenna in my attic with no rotation ability. Besides an LG HDTV (which sucks), I have the new Dish Network 622 receiver which is absolutely incredible! It can record up to 3 channels at once (2 tuner channels as well as 1 OTA channel).

It could be overload since you're so close, but before trying an attenuator I would probably try repositioning the antenna first. The 4221 is very sensitive (that's what I'm using) but may have fairly significant nulls off the side.

haha i still cannt get 47 for some reason. Im going to try some new antennas soon.

Can anybody point me to summaries of: (1) the post-transition channel assignments applied for by the Lansing-area broadcasters and (2) when changeover is expected?

Edit to include list, above.

The list of "tentative channel designations" after round two is:
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-06-1082A2.xls

To that add, SOME round three designations, including WWMT in Kalamazoo:
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-06-1675A2.xls

Enjoy!

Gary

Thank you, WLAJ. MSU-Pitt is in SD on 53.1 and Cincinnati-Ohio State is on 53.2. Yet another reason to like digital television.

Since the Cincinnati-Ohio State football game ended this afternoon, CW network previews have been running wall-to-wall on 53.2. Is WLAJ planning on running 53.2 with completely separate programming 24/7, or is that just for prime time and sports?

Since the Cincinnati-Ohio State football game ended this afternoon, CW network previews have been running wall-to-wall on 53.2. Is WLAJ planning on running 53.2 with completely separate programming 24/7, or is that just for prime time and sports?

My understanding is that 53.2 will be the CW affiliate for the Lansing area, I guess we get promos until Monday?

From wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_CW_Television_Network

The network will begin operations with last season's 7th Heaven finale and then an Entertainment Tonight produced show covering the CW launch party from Warner Bros.' Burbank studios, on Monday, September 18, 2006 (the same will be repeated with last season's Gilmore Girls finale and more party coverage on September 19) [2]. However, the network is marketing its formal launch date as Wednesday, September 20, with the season premiere of America's Next Top Model. [1]

Hello to all,

Tonight I noticed I was having problems with 23 - 1 .

The video looks similar to a digital video that is "dropping frames".

Also, on some programs the center channel soundtrack is missing.

Has anyone else noticed these issues or is it just me?

I am running a Dish 811 and I have performed a "pull the plug from the wall" reboot to see if that would help. It didn't.

Thanks all.

-Bill M.

Hello to all,

Tonight I noticed I was having problems with 23 - 1 .

The video looks similar to a digital video that is "dropping frames".

Also, on some programs the center channel soundtrack is missing.

Has anyone else noticed these issues or is it just me?

I am running a Dish 811 and I have performed a "pull the plug from the wall" reboot to see if that would help. It didn't.

Thanks all.

-Bill M.
..have Nature on 23-1 and all looks well. I get my audio in stereo.

Hello to all,

Tonight I noticed I was having problems with 23 - 1 .

The video looks similar to a digital video that is "dropping frames".

Also, on some programs the center channel soundtrack is missing.

Has anyone else noticed these issues or is it just me?


Thanks all.

-Bill M.

Indeed we have been having intermittant frame refresh issues, just about as soon as we see them they go away. Today, we switched to our alternate encoder, we'll see if that fixed it, if not, on to the modulator, then the STL, then the exciters in the transmitter.

As to the missing center channel, was this Nature? PBS has the hardest time pushing the 5.1 button on their Dolby Digital encoder. Sorry about that, I'll bang their heads about it, again.

Thanks for watching. If you see (hear) problems, you can post them here, or just send me an email to garyb@wkar.msu.edu

Indeed we have been having intermittant frame refresh issues, just about as soon as we see them they go away. Today, we switched to our alternate encoder, we'll see if that fixed it, if not, on to the modulator, then the STL, then the exciters in the transmitter.

As to the missing center channel, was this Nature? PBS has the hardest time pushing the 5.1 button on their Dolby Digital encoder. Sorry about that, I'll bang their heads about it, again.

Thanks for watching. If you see (hear) problems, you can post them here, or just send me an email to garyb@wkar.msu.edu


Looks and sounds good now, Gary.

Thank you very much for your help.

-Bill M.

Anyone know why NBC 10 doesnt play Wheel of Fortune or Jeopardy in HD like they are supposed too?

They would need new equip to air syndicated shows in HD> They are pre-recorded then aired by the station, not from the main network. WDIV in Detroit has them in HD. I don't know of any other stations in Michigan that have started that.

Has anyone else noticed two things this past week:

1.) WILX (NBC 10) has a subchannel
2.) WLAJ ( ABC/CW 53) broadcasted the actual data for what is showing in the guide for about an hour, then went off again.

What is up with the 10.2 channel? Its got a message on it saying that it will go on the air Oct. 2nd with NBC weather?

Seems like WLAJ always has trouble with their information and time. I had to change my receiver's station that it looks for for the time because WLAJ was wrong so much of the time.

Thanks for the tip on WILX, I will have to rescan them.

Seems like WLAJ always has trouble with their information and time. I had to change my receiver's station that it looks for for the time because WLAJ was wrong so much of the time.

Thanks for the tip on WILX, I will have to rescan them.


so you have actually gotten to get the WLAJ guide stuff to work? I have yet to get it to work, the first and only time was for that hour this week.

OK, let's see if I have the roster correct and maybe we can help each other or some newbies out. I'll list the Lansing/Jackson stations that I know about with their network affiliations and actual temporary digital channels. Respond with corrections or condemnations as desired. All DT channels usually broadcast HD/SD simulcasts of the analog parent except where noted with an asterisk.

WLNS-TV, analog 6, CBS
WLNS-DT, 6.1, CBS-HD (59.1)

WILX-TV, analog 10, NBC
WILX-DT1, 10.1, NBC-HD (57.3)
WILX-DT2/WX, 10.2, local weather in SD to begin 2 October 2006 (57.4)*

WHTV-TV, analog 18, My Network
WHTV-DT, 18.1, My Network-SD (34.4). Does not currently broadcast any HD.

WKAR-TV, analog 23, PBS
WKAR-DT1, 23.1, PBS-HD (55.1)*
WKAR-DT2, 23.2, PBS-SD (55.2)

WSYM-TV, analog 47, Fox
WSYM-DT1, 47.1, Fox-HD (38.5)
WSYM-DT2, 47.2, Fox-SD (38.6)

WLAJ-TV, analog 53, ABC
WLAJ-DT1, 53.1, ABC-HD (51.3)
WLAJ-DT2, 53.2, CW-SD (51.4)*

Has anyone else noticed two things this past week:

1.) WILX (NBC 10) has a subchannel
2.) WLAJ ( ABC/CW 53) broadcasted the actual data for what is showing in the guide for about an hour, then went off again.

What is up with the 10.2 channel? Its got a message on it saying that it will go on the air Oct. 2nd with NBC weather?
Thanks for the info on WILX. I'm betting that is about the time that my Dish reciever (801) began rebooting every time I try to view it. I've had the same trouble with a couple of other stations. It may be time to get the new 622.

Thanks for the info on WILX. I'm betting that is about the time that my Dish reciever (801) began rebooting every time I try to view it. I've had the same trouble with a couple of other stations. It may be time to get the new 622.

I remember reading in another thread the problem is actually with the PSIP configuration at the station. If you can get the station to fix the PSIP you should be set. If I can remember where I saw it, I will paste the info here. In the meantime, try watching 10.2 on channel 57.4 if you can manually tune to it.

They flipped the switch at noon. They have weather forecasts specific for towns in the broadcast area, weather radar, current conditions, a news ticker along with news and weather inserts that loop every so often. There will probably be a sports loop, too.

That's unfortunate. I guess that leaves WLNS as the only remaining local without a subchannel and thus the hands down winner for best picture quality.

That's unfortunate. I guess that leaves WLNS as the only remaining local without a subchannel and thus the hands down winner for best picture quality.

I doubt that. Nobody said WLNS was devoting 100% of its digital signal capacity to its HD broadcast, plus production values have something to do with it as well. The ATSC system is capable of broadcasting two SD subchannels with one HD subchannel. If you want to talk about picture quality, I say most sports look better with 720 progressive on ABC and Fox than they do with the 1080 interlaced on CBS and NBC, and that is production, not signal.

Darrin Rockole was the first person to appear on 10.2 with a weather forecast. Emilie Voss (rawr, rawr) was the first newscaster.

Maybe WLNS wins with Picture quality, but they are not running DD 5.1. By the way, I'm pretty sure that LNS plans to multicast as well.

I doubt that. Nobody said WLNS was devoting 100% of its digital signal capacity to its HD broadcast

Feel free to doubt away, but WLNS does have the best picture because it is devoting the most bandwidth to its HD broadcasts, or it least it was when I last checked. Last February, I recorded a 1-minute HD sample from each of our local broadcasters. Here are the bitrates:
WLAJ: 13.55 Mbps (w/ 3.19 Mbps allocated to one SD sub-channel)
WLNS: 14.67 Mbps
WSYM: 12.18 Mbps (w/ 3.99 Mbps allocated to one SD sub-channel)
WILX: 14.66 Mbps
WKAR: 10.74 Mbps (w/ 5.20 Mbps allocated to one SD sub-channel)

Now that WILX has a sub-channel, WLNS will be the only one allocating 14.67 Mbps.

If you want to talk about picture quality, I say most sports look better with 720 progressive on ABC and Fox than they do with the 1080 interlaced on CBS and NBC, and that is production, not signal.

Yes, in theory, a progressive signal should be better for sports. However, most RPTVs are 1080i native, so the conversion from 720p pretty much offsets that advantage.

Bandwidth used is only one factor in delivering picture quality though. And really without really efficient encoding 15mbps isn't enough for 1080i when it comes to fast motion....just watch a ND game on WILX or a football game on WLNS.....it's a blocky mess on pans, closeups with movement, etc.... WKAR actually takes the incoming 1080i signal and encodes to 720p to help with just that issue and still allow for the subchannel. Also, obviously certain programming would require less bandwidth and not be too demanding....so unless comparing the exact same program being simulcast on all locals....the numbers mean nothing. I keep hoping that things will get better however as I really would like to enjoy football in HD more.

My RPTV is 1080i.
Even with that, sports programming looks much, much better on WLAJ and WSYM.

As washking said, sports on WILX or WLNS is a blocky mess on pans, movement, etc.

I can't make a comment about regular programming, because I rarely watch it in HD (or SD for that matter).

Has anyone noticed too, that when watching NFL games the picture seems to be more of a mess than with College football games? Is it just he equipment they are using, or me? lol.

And for the record i am still not getting fox.... (and come to think of it i am really not missing it either).

BTW i am really enjoying the 10.2 channel, its nice to check it before i go out in the morning, though i would still like it if The Weather Channel had an HD channel on cable! That would be sweet! I can see it now, High Def weather maps!

Also anyone catch the season opener of Lost last night on ABC? Oh man, this is why i got an HD tv! LOST IN HD IS THE BEST!

I live in Mason and subscribe to MDM's digital service including the HD service. I have experienced a lot of jumping/pixelating with both the WLNS and WILX signals and MDM says there is no problem and can't find a problem at my end. Anyone else a subscriber that can let me know if they are having the same experience?

Any speculation as to when/if Comcast might add WLAJ-HD and WSYM-HD in East Lansing? I understand that Comcast Lansing has Fox, so I'm wondering whether this is a fee issue or a technical issue.

(And I'm considering finding a Samsung SIR-T451 to tide me over for a while if I can get confident that the stations will eventually appear on my 6412...)

ed48854: I see the same problems with MDM. I can only imagine that they must not be allocating sufficient bandwidth to the new HD channels. Either that, or since I don't have those same problems with an OTA signal, maybe they need a better antenna. ;)

The Tigers-Athletics Wednesday night game will be on 47.1 and D*TV is showing the Cards-Mets game will have an HD feed either on 94 or 95.

...I'm considering finding a Samsung SIR-T451 to tide me over for a while if I can get confident that the stations will eventually appear on my 6412...Stopped by the West Lansing Circuit City and picked up a Pro Brand HD3150PLUS ("3150+") with a Silver Sensor.

I'm on a slight rise overlooking East Lansing HS with tall trees in every direction, so I wasn't sure what kind of reception I'd get using an indoor antenna in the upstairs bedroom. WILX, WSYM and WLAJ are all about 21 miles away and within a few degrees of each other. WKAR and WLNS are about 5 miles away and 90 degrees off the other three stations.

Install took about fifteen minutes, scan took about five. The 3150+ is feeding 1080i over component to a 2004-vintage Philips HDTV monitor.

With the Silver Sensor aligned to get WSYM (no rotation), the 3150+ got all of WILX, WSYM, WLAJ, WKAR and WLNS. All subchannels look great; meter indicates "green" (for whatever that's worth) and mid-20s S/N.

Decided to try the 3150+ instead of the '451 because (1) I could lay my hands on one in time for the Tigers/A's game last night and (2) I understand the '451 doesn't do parallel resolution (feed HD monitor 1080i; feed TiVo NTSC) while the 3150+ does. (Humax HFA100 does parallel, too. I'm not sure about the upcoming Sammy replacement for the '451.)

Any speculation as to when/if Comcast might add WLAJ-HD and WSYM-HD in East Lansing? I understand that Comcast Lansing has Fox, so I'm wondering whether this is a fee issue or a technical issue.

(And I'm considering finding a Samsung SIR-T451 to tide me over for a while if I can get confident that the stations will eventually appear on my 6412...)



from what Comcast told me they are not having very good talks with corporate with ABC...

Just some thoughts about the HDTV stations in the Lansing area. First, I'm in Okemos and I get ABC HD on cable, but not FOX. Although I usually use OTA for my HD feeds.

First, I do notice the compression artifacts on NBC (WILX) (during The Tonight Show) and CBS (WLNS) (during CSI's). This irks me, cause HD is supposed to be better quality - and for the most part it is - but these artifacts can be quite distracting.

Also, with WILX, it seems that they have audio drop outs whenever they switch from the HD feed to a local SD feed. The audio drops in and out a couple times for a few seconds total, then settles down. I also hope WILX works on getting the needed equipment for syndicated HD shows. They also need to get whatever equipment they need so that when they need to add graphics on the screen (weather and news scrolls, etc.) they don't have to drop to the SD feed.

Other than these few annoyances - I'm enjoying my new TV and HD.

Rich

Anyone having trouble receiving WLNS 6.1 OTA lately? I'm in Howell, near Grand River and M-59. Up until a week ago, it was fine. Now I get no picture at all, just a poor signal quality message, even though I'm receiving a constant 74-77% signal. 10.1, 12.1, 23.1 and 53.1 are all fine with approximately the same signal strength. Any ideas? Thanks.

Kirk

Anyone having trouble receiving WLNS 6.1 OTA lately? I'm in Howell, near Grand River and M-59. Up until a week ago, it was fine. Now I get no picture at all, just a poor signal quality message, even though I'm receiving a constant 74-77% signal. 10.1, 12.1, 23.1 and 53.1 are all fine with approximately the same signal strength. Any ideas? Thanks.

Kirk

I've been noticing more problems with them myself in the last month or so.

Humm, I too have been having problems with WLNS the last month or two. signal is strong , in the 90's on my tivo, yet there are breakups and drop outs. WLNS has always been rock solid, a powerhouse, and I could turn my antenna off axis and still get them, not any more, Did they change their transmission pattern? I don't think they can do that w/o Fcc approval.

As a side note it would be great if they got DD 5.1 equipment, they are the easiest to receive of the three CBS outlets I get but they are the only ones with out DD 5.1

I haven't noticed any problems with WLNS, but then they are only about 6 miles from my antenna.

Why does 10.1 pre-empt shows for their local news, and then rebroadcast the lame-o SD recording of a show that should have been aired as HD in the first place?

And why do they switch to an SD signal for a whole show if they have a weather/Amber Alert crawl at the bottom of the screen?

If I were paying for this, I'd be really mad.

Why does 10.1 pre-empt shows for their local news, and then rebroadcast the lame-o SD recording of a show that should have been aired as HD in the first place?

And why do they switch to an SD signal for a whole show if they have a weather/Amber Alert crawl at the bottom of the screen?

If I were paying for this, I'd be really mad.

Apparently our local stations have no HD production or recording capacity and can only broadcast HD shows they receive from the networks in real time. I'll bet they are waiting for more HD production equipment to hit the market and be cheaper closer to the 2009 conversion deadline just like many consumers are waiting on buying HD television sets.

Lions Game????

WLNS doesn't do Hi-Def??? Someone know the number to call to get this flipped over to HD?

Lions Game????

WLNS doesn't do Hi-Def??? Someone know the number to call to get this flipped over to HD?

CBS doesn't broadcast all their NFL games in HD. Bills-Lions doesn't rate HD in CBS's opinion. As one of my friends recently pointed out, that may be just as well because while good games look really good, bad games are way worse because you can see them that much better.

CBS doesn't broadcast all their NFL games in HD. Bills-Lions doesn't rate HD in CBS's opinion. As one of my friends recently pointed out, that may be just as well because while good games look really good, bad games are way worse because you can see them that much better.

lol good point :P

Ah, my HDTV died last night for some reason, would not work on the HD input, but all the other inputs were fine, so i MISSED LOST in HD, i was so mad! I had to watch it in SD, it was horrible!

Anyways how are you guys liking the 10.2 weather channel? I find some of the accu weather programing somewhat strange but i like having it, local weather all the time.

Ah, my HDTV died last night for some reason, would not work on the HD input, but all the other inputs were fine, so i MISSED LOST in HD, i was so mad! I had to watch it in SD, it was horrible!

Anyways how are you guys liking the 10.2 weather channel? I find some of the accu weather programing somewhat strange but i like having it, local weather all the time.

I like what they're doing on 10.2. Good stuff.

Anyone know EXACTLY where the towers are located for my local channels? I can get a general idea from antennaweb info using my GPS, but I'm just curious (love maps and coordinates) . I'd like to try and find them with Google Earth. Thanks!!

WLNS-DT 6.1
WILX 10.1
WJRT-DT 12.1
WKAR-DT 23.1
WLAJ-DT 53.1

Kirk

Anyone know EXACTLY where the towers are located for my local channels? I can get a general idea from antennaweb info using my GPS, but I'm just curious (love maps and coordinates) . I'd like to try and find them with Google Earth. Thanks!!

WLNS-DT 6.1
WILX 10.1
WJRT-DT 12.1
WKAR-DT 23.1
WLAJ-DT 53.1

Kirk


Um, WLNS is over by Frandor isnt it? WLAJ is on Pennsylvania (South Penn) i think down by Jolly, and i know that WKAR the transmitter at least isnt on MSU's campus..

I really dont know, but I too would like to find out, because it would help me find out why i cannot get Fox even though i get 10 which is farther away from my location...

Anyone know EXACTLY where the towers are located for my local channels? I can get a general idea from antennaweb info using my GPS, but I'm just curious (love maps and coordinates) . I'd like to try and find them with Google Earth. Thanks!!

WLNS-DT 6.1
WILX 10.1
WJRT-DT 12.1
WKAR-DT 23.1
WLAJ-DT 53.1

Kirk

Use this FCC database:

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/audio/tvq.html

Anyone know EXACTLY where the towers are located for my local channels? I can get a general idea from antennaweb info using my GPS, but I'm just curious (love maps and coordinates) . I'd like to try and find them with Google Earth. Thanks!!

WLNS-DT 6.1
WILX 10.1
WJRT-DT 12.1
WKAR-DT 23.1
WLAJ-DT 53.1

Kirk

The ever popular TV query at the FCC has your answers:

http://www.fcc.gov/mb/video/tvq.html

The ever popular TV query at the FCC has your answers:

http://www.fcc.gov/mb/video/tvq.html


Great minds think alike, eh, Gary?

Thank you !!!!

from what Comcast told me they are not having very good talks with corporate with ABC...

Actually that is incorrect. I've complained to/about Comcast so much over the last year that I no longer call the helpdesk, but have an account exec in Grand Rapids that i call directly. He has told me that Comcast and Freedom have come to an agreement to have WLAJ-HD on Comcast in all Lansing markets, it will be on channel 231. There is not a date yet as to when it will go live because East Lansing must be given 60 days notice before a channel line up change. He expects it to be in place before the end of the year.

Anyways how are you guys liking the 10.2 weather channel?
I don't like it because I'd rather they allocate all the bandwidth to hi def.

I don't like it because I'd rather they allocate all the bandwidth to hi def.

They're only slicing off about 2.5 meg for the weather service.

Ok, again with the what type of antenna questions....

I am ~20-30 miles away from 10, and 47. I can get 10 fine (well at least watchable) but cannot get 47. And have finally decided to ditch my indoor rabbit ear antenna for somthing more powerful...

The antenna will be mounted in the attic, so take that into consideration, i am between three antennas. All from antennasdirect.com. The antennas are the DB8 (multidirectional long range) 91XG (unidirectional long range) and the 42XG (medium range uni directional).

Im thinking about the multi directional because i have been able to pick up several "other" channels that are north of my location (and according to antennaweb.org i should not be able to get) and if i get the uni directional it will be pointed south west toward 10/47/53 and I will not be able to get them....

Anyways what do you guys think? I live near Lake Lansing (close enough without an address right? lol... stupid internet preditors! lol j/k). I would like to spend under $150, but what ever... lol

Any one of these antennas should get you good reception on the Lansing stations. The unidirectional antennas are not as good at combating multipath distortion (a killer for digital signals). You could always try a DB8 in the attic and see how it goes. You may be able to get the Flint market stations with this setup. You can always retun it if it doesn't work. From about 10 miles east of you I can get all the Lansing stations all the Flint stations (including 19.1 from Delta college) plus 7.1 and 20.1 from the Detroit market. I have a 91XG on the roof with a rotor.

[jefbal99's contact] has told me that Comcast and Freedom have come to an agreement to have WLAJ-HD on Comcast in all Lansing markets, it will be on channel 231. There is not a date yet as to when it will go live because East Lansing must be given 60 days notice before a channel line up change. He expects it to be in place before the end of the year.
If true, good news!

Does anyone have an explanation for why WSYM-HD is available in Lansing but not East Lansing? Contract? Technological?

Does anyone have an explanation for why WSYM-HD is available in Lansing but not East Lansing? Contract? Technological?
Per Lyle Schulze, VP & GM of WSYM, "Comcast is the culprit as we are passing HD through our digital transmitter. Comcast contends it is a bandwidth problem--they do not have enough bandwidth to accommodate our HD signal. It affects about 25,000 households in East Lansing."

Ugg. No Fox-HD, but Comcast did find the bandwidth to bring me MTV-HD.

And, just for kicks, I started getting the apparently-common Moto6412 + HDMI + HDCP green screen problem this weekend. I'm just loving Comcast today...

If true, good news!

Does anyone have an explanation for why WSYM-HD is available in Lansing but not East Lansing? Contract? Technological?

SM Winnie is correct, its been told to me that its a bandwidth issue for east lansing. To get MHD into the entire market, they removed INHD2 so there was no bandwidth issues. With East Lansing being short on bandwidth, I wonder if they'll get WLAJ-HD when it comes out.

On a different note, I've had a few chats with Rich (the account exec) regarding the guide. NBC and NBC HD have been screwy the last few weeks with the Monday 8pm-11pm schedule being duplicated on Tuesday. I had some stuff not get recorded (I'm a Law and Order freak) and he said it was and issue from the network level. The information on the Guide comes from TV Guide who gets it from the network. I've seen similar issues in the past with NBC. Best fix is to just create a manual recording if the guide is screwy.

i have seen this on the OTA channel as well, but it is usually CBS for me (channel 6). They will be a day behind the current one. It seems to fix itself every now and then only to be off in a few days again.


I think the best i have ever seen was on channel 10.2 i was watching the weather then all of a sudden it went black, then to a windows desktop, and some one pop'ed up an internet explorer windows and checked their msu mail, then farted around on the desktop clicking all the icons to see what they did, then i guess someone came over and clicked the icon for the actual channel to come back on and it was fine after that... it sure was funny i couldnt stop laughing!

Hey - New guy here. What is the PBS affiliate again and where is the antenna? Does it have an hd channel number 23-1 or somehting? I live in right in lansing (west side) and have been able to pick up fox, nbc, and cbs with a crappy $20 philips antenna and I was wondering if it was possible to pick up more stations.

BTW I've got comcast too, but enjoy the OTA HD. Need more HD channels!!!

Battlestar Galactica in HD would rule.

Hey - New guy here. What is the PBS affiliate again and where is the antenna? Does it have an hd channel number 23-1 or somehting? I live in right in lansing (west side) and have been able to pick up fox, nbc, and cbs with a crappy $20 philips antenna and I was wondering if it was possible to pick up more stations.

BTW I've got comcast too, but enjoy the OTA HD. Need more HD channels!!!

Battlestar Galactica in HD would rule.

WKAR-TV, analog 23, PBS
WKAR-DT1, 23.1, PBS-HD (55.1)
WKAR-DT2, 23.2, PBS-SD (55.2)

Hey - New guy here. What is the PBS affiliate again and where is the antenna? Does it have an hd channel number 23-1 or somehting? I live in right in lansing (west side) and have been able to pick up fox, nbc, and cbs with a crappy $20 philips antenna and I was wondering if it was possible to pick up more stations.

BTW I've got comcast too, but enjoy the OTA HD. Need more HD channels!!!

Battlestar Galactica in HD would rule.


Isn't Battlestar Galactica on Universal HD?

Where are you located that you get Universal HD? It doesn't show here in the DeWitt area. Do you get it on 208?

Where are you located that you get Universal HD? It doesn't show here in the DeWitt area. Do you get it on 208?

I get UHD via satellite. According to the program guide on my H20 receiver, Battlestar Galactica will be on UHD Sunday night at 8 with the "Pegasus" episode,with a replay at 11:30 pm.

Where are you located that you get Universal HD? It doesn't show here in the DeWitt area. Do you get it on 208?

When it goes live, that is where it will be for Comcast. However, nobody has a clue when that will occur.

On a differing note, WLAJ pisses me off with ESPN plus. ABC has Penn State vs Wisconsin in HD right now and WLAJ is showing Northwestern and Iowa on 53-1 and they have the Penn State/Wisconsin game in SD on 53-2. That just seems absolutely asinine to me. Why not show the game being produced in HD on the HD channel and the SD game on the SD channel? That would be logical to me.

Thank god my little RCA antenna pulls in WOTV (41-1) from Battle Creek so I can watch ABC in HD.

When it goes live, that is where it will be for Comcast. However, nobody has a clue when that will occur.

On a differing note, WLAJ pisses me off with ESPN plus. ABC has Penn State vs Wisconsin in HD right now and WLAJ is showing Northwestern and Iowa on 53-1 and they have the Penn State/Wisconsin game in SD on 53-2. That just seems absolutely asinine to me. Why not show the game being produced in HD on the HD channel and the SD game on the SD channel? That would be logical to me.

Thank god my little RCA antenna pulls in WOTV (41-1) from Battle Creek so I can watch ABC in HD.

That's not the first time WLAJ has screwed up an HD broadcast. They failed to show the Indy 500 in HD even though the network feed was available.

That's not the first time WLAJ has screwed up an HD broadcast. They failed to show the Indy 500 in HD even though the network feed was available.

To top that off, I had to pull in WOTV out of Battle Creek again for the Saturday night game because I couldn't keep a signal lock on WLAJ.

/soapbox

Do any other Comcast customers in not only the Lansing DMA, but the entire state pine for Fox Sports Detroit in HD? Its available on DirecTV and BrightHouse, but not Comcast. High Definition TV was made for watching sports and the fact that almost all other Region Sports Nets are available in HD on Comcast just pisses me off.

I was looking around the FSN Detroit website and they have a graphiv that says if you want FSN D in HD, to call your local cable provider and tell them you want it. As usual it appears that Comcast has somebody sitting on teir doorstep with new services and they are not asking their customers what they want.

Has anyone ever received anything asking what kind of services we want to see or what should be added next?

If you like to see the Tigers, Red Wings, Pistons, random college foitball and basketball and other sporting events in HD, then call and write to Comcast. Don't just call the 800 number because they don't do anything. Use the email feature on the website, I've gotten much better results with that (its how I got my account exec). Let Comcast know that there is a market for FSN D HD in the Lansing DMA and the entire state of Michigan.

/off the soapbox

Sorry for the rant, just get pissy at Comcast, but its much better than HD Lite from D* and E*. I'll be semi happy when i get FSN D, Universal, and ABC in HD.

Does anybody know how much bandwidth the Lansing Comcast Networks have? I know that there are multiple network segments form the merging of all the old random cable companies, but i'd be interested to see what the numbers truly are.

Anybody have any family or friends in the area that work for Comcast in the technical area? I'm just looking for information, shoot me an email at jefbal99@gmail.com

I was just reading in other threads on AVS and it appears that Comcast and FSN have an agreement for Fox Sports Detroit. It should begin showing up on channel 201 in the near future.

Is anyone else getting excited about the OSU vs. U of M game this weekend? I really really hope that it will be in HD. I dont see why it would not be, but who knows.

Also does anyone have a clue when local news will be done in HD? It sure would be nice to have the majority of programing in HD, at least prime time.... ending with HD news... lol.

Also i had this discussion with my girlfriend the other night... and i wanted to see if anyone else agrees with me. Do you find commercials less annoying when they are in HD? I say yes, i like to see HD commercials, but my girlfriend says that they are still commericals, " i dont care what they look like." What do you guys think?

I'd watch Richard simmon's sweatin to the oldies infomercials if they were in hd ;)

Jefball – I totally agree with you about Comcast HD. Having Foxsports in HD is absolutely essential for pistons/wings/tigers…. I would love more info on when that’s going to go live – it would be great if there was an agreement. I’m trying to remember what channel 201 is?

I would be happy if I could get FSN HD, Universal, and ABC as well. That would cover all the sports I need.

So for OSU-UM this Saturday I am hype as well – I’m going to try to pull in ABC from my buddy’s place with a small Philips antenna. He lives up by the airport by Dewitt. Anybody: Is this possible? The channel is 53.1 for ABC?

ILLRock,

I would think you could get WLAJ-DT on channel 51 from near the airport. WLAJ is south of town so you may need to point your antenna that way. Also WOTV out of Battle Creek is on Digital channel 20 and will also have the game. At my place near Potterville, WOTV comes in better than WLAJ.

Jefball – I totally agree with you about Comcast HD. Having Foxsports in HD is absolutely essential for pistons/wings/tigers…. I would love more info on when that’s going to go live – it would be great if there was an agreement. I’m trying to remember what channel 201 is?

I would be happy if I could get FSN HD, Universal, and ABC as well. That would cover all the sports I need.

So for OSU-UM this Saturday I am hype as well – I’m going to try to pull in ABC from my buddy’s place with a small Philips antenna. He lives up by the airport by Dewitt. Anybody: Is this possible? The channel is 53.1 for ABC?

Detroit got 4 new HD channels yesterday:
199 NGC HD
200 A&E HD
201 FSN HD
208 UHD

Nothing has showed up in my box yet. Ken H in the Detroit thread says it might be an equipment shortage

has channel 47 changed power- I used to get a great signal now its gone

I've noticed they seem to be strong one day and very weak the next. Hopefully it's a temporary problem.