jeffvb9,
I got a channel master from Lowes ~100.00. I have mine in my attic. Warning they are bigger than you think and take up a lot of space in the attic.

kcjefff,
I have been following some threads on calibration of samsung dlps which I have and they talk about that site. Its 300 for a month and evidently it takes quite awhile to do all this as well as knowledge.
check out the graphs etc. here http://www.milori.com/articles/image_quality_issues.asp
Maybe its best to leave to someone that knows what they are doing. I get the concepts but I dont know if I am comfortable with it. I even have instructions if you are interested.
Can you pass on the name of the guy? I was leery of just picking one off that list.

Michael,

I had my Hitachi RPTV calibrated by Dave Levy of Abbey Road Home Theater in DesMoines. (AbbeyRoadHT@mchsi.com) He did mine and a couple of others during a Friday/Saturday trip. Since mine was the first Hitachi he'd done at the time, he really spent a lot of time on it, getting it right (he got there mid afternoon and worked until almost midnight). Since he spent the night at our house, I didn't pay him for transportation (the other two guys split that). He walked me through the process, and I learned a lot. When he left, all the proper settings were "centered" in the user menus, which allows for slight tweaking as needed, although I've pretty much left it where he set it. I thought it was money very well spent, as the colors were not very good out of the box, and even after setting up with Video Essentials. I had also done some other tweaks recommended on ***************.com, but the difference was night and day after Dave was done. I don't remember exactly, but I believe I paid him around $375.

I don't know if he has any DLP experience, but he doesn't seem to be scared to try anything.

I'm sure there are others out there just as good, but my experience with Dave was very positive.

Brad

What OTA Antenna's are all you using? I live in Olathe and wanting to possibly put up a antenna. Havent decided on the attic or roof as of yet.

I live in Olathe also and I have a RadioShack VU-90 mounted on my roof with a tripod. It is 5 years old and works great for all of the KC digitals (except FOX4, of course).

My coax is all RG-6 and I have one splitter in the system.

I live close to 127th and Mur-Len.

Originally posted by jeffvb9
What OTA Antenna's are all you using? I live in Olathe and wanting to possibly put up a antenna. Havent decided on the attic or roof as of yet.
I have a Winegard HD7210P. I originally had it in the attic but moved to the chimney. The reception now is great (I'm south of 160th & Metcalf). I'm not sure how much of the good reception is due the specific antenna I have or the fact that I moved it outside. I think having it outside has helped the most.

Regarding: Originally posted by kcjefff


GaryBernhardt,
You posted a couple of pages back about your Comcast dropouts and pixilation...

The reason I believe the wiring is ok because I did it myself and was initially running Comcast digital across it. This was pre-HD. Then I switched to D*. I wouldn't dispute that I might need to boost the signal, I just thought it was surprising that I was having problems. The problems show up most on HD, but sometimes on the digital channels. I never had this on digital channels before.

Thanks for the info.

GB

Has anyone else been having problems picking up KCPT's signal lately? When I do a scan, all it sees is 19-1, but when I tune to that, nothing shows up, and I get a "Searching for signal" message from my Samsung 160.

Anyone?

No, but I STILL cannot get my Mitsubishi to translate the PSIP info for WB-62 (DT-47). I still get NOTHING.

Originally posted by FrugalRacer
Has anyone else been having problems picking up KCPT's signal lately? When I do a scan, all it sees is 19-1, but when I tune to that, nothing shows up, and I get a "Searching for signal" message from my Samsung 160.

Anyone?

OK, they did show up last ( Sunday 12/7 ) night, but none more than 20%. Must just be my location.

Did anyone experience audio problems with the Chiefs/Denver game yesterday. I was getting the game via Comcast and KCTV. The first half had audio dropouts and at one point the audio was completely gone for about 4-5 minutes then it came back on and was fine for the rest of the game. Anyone else have these problems? Anyone know what the problem was?
Greg

I saw the drop-outs also. It was only on that one channel (CBS) and didn't effect the analog channel (Non-HD CBS) on TWC so I suppose the problem could have been an issue at the stadium, or on the feed to the national, or on the distribution to the locals, or - in my case - from the local to TWC.

I would bet it was an issue with the HD truck.

I saw drop outs too. In the first quarter it seemed to be a stadium problem because I didn't notice any dropout in the commercials. I switched to radio (101.1) early in the first quarter and stayed there through the first half. Switched back to HD audio during the second half.
I saw two or three video glitches durning the game too. They weren't too severe and thankfully they didn't happen during a sports play.

Bubba

Sadly the audio drop outs were gone in the second half which allowed me to witness a grade A ass whipping in HD...

Originally posted by Jerm
Sadly the audio drop outs were gone in the second half which allowed me to witness a grade A ass whipping in HD...
Too bad we couldnt get Kstate to play for us

Instead of K-State playing for us, I would have been happier with K-State COACHING for us. The second half non-adjustments and benching of priest left me :confused:

Originally posted by Craash
I saw the drop-outs also. It was only on that one channel (CBS) and didn't effect the analog channel (Non-HD CBS) on TWC so I suppose the problem could have been an issue at the stadium, or on the feed to the national, or on the distribution to the locals, or - in my case - from the local to TWC.

I would bet it was an issue with the HD truck.

I got the dropouts and an echo on an OTA feed, but the DirecTV NFLST feed was fine, so it must have been something with KCTV.

Forgive my ignorance, and I'm sure the answer is "yes", but I must ask anyway. . . .

Was the error-free DTV feed HD?

Originally posted by Craash
Instead of K-State playing for us, I would have been happier with K-State COACHING for us. The second half non-adjustments and benching of priest left me :confused:
Yeah! The line went that way but the ball went the other way. How many times does that work? In our case a lot!

Originally posted by Craash
Forgive my ignorance, and I'm sure the answer is "yes", but I must ask anyway. . . .

Was the error-free DTV feed HD?

Yes. Interestingly enough, I could get the CBS HD game (Chiefs) on both OTA and DirecTV Sunday Ticket, but the Fox game (Enhanced def.) was blacked out on DirecTV (since it was on Channel 4).

I don't quite understand the blackout rules this season on the Sunday Ticket package...

I was trying to watch the Chiefs game on KCTV-HD via TWC. Suddenly the audio disappeared and after several minutes I saw an image saying, "Subscription Service- KCTV HD-- To subscribe call 913-451-4646"

I called TWC to scream but after about 6 minutes of holding the game came back on. I wonder if that image was sent out accidentally while trying to fix the problems and I wonder if that is something they are preparing to utilize in the future if they make us start paying additional for HD service.

Shawn

Micheal, his name is Erik Hayes, his contact info is available at the ISF page.

Well, if the DTV feed was error free, that would point the finger squarely at either our local CBS.

Hello-

Just purchased a Channel Master antenna from Lowes and will be installing it in my attic very soon. Was wondering......Is there a way to orient the antenna properly to gain maximum channels? Any help would be appreciated. I am in Olathe near 151st by the way.

Thanks,
jeff

jeffvb9,

visit antennaweb.org and key in your data. I live at 159th between Murlen and Ridgeview and get solid reception save an occasional glitch on ABC.

You should see that from your house the KC digital and analog signals originate between 31 degrees and 52 degrees from center north. You can use the street level map to get a ballpark idea of where to aim your antenna, but it is best to use a compass.

Aaron Barnhart does more reporting on HDTV in the Kansas City Star. 12-09-2003 :) http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/living/7442715.htm

[QUOTE]Originally posted by js615
I live at 159th between Murlen and Ridgeview and get solid reception save an occasional glitch on ABC.

Wow! I live at 159th between Murlen and Blackbob (around Brougham). Howdy neighbor!

Well thanks for the info.

BTW I live between Blackbob and Pflumm in Symphone at the Reserve on 153rd. Howdy to you to!!

I have seen various types of attic installations online. Which is best? Hang it from the rafters or stand it from the floor? Would love to hear how yours are mounted.

Thanks!

wow - lot's of online neighbors!

My antenna is a simple Radio Shack unit that is mounted on a pole on the NE side of the house. The pole is attachedto the side of the house just uner the eaves and allows the antanna to be place about 4' above roof line. Works well. If I recall, I set the aim at about 42 degrees from center.

I am a new member and new HDTV owner and had a quick question for the gurus here. I was watching the Lakers-Knicks game last night on INHD (NBATV) through TWC in KC and experienced very noticable "claying" on any relatively close shots of players. I have watched about four HD NFL games and they have been stunning - no "claying" issues. Did anyone else experience the same thing? Is this problem likely the quality of the signal or my equipment? I have a Pioneer HD box and a Samsung HLN507 HDTV with a component connection. (Apparently there is an issue connecting the Pioneer DVI to my TV). There is another game on tonight and I will see if I have the same issue. Any info would be appreciated.

First of all, I wanted to thank all of those who have pushed the KC TV stations to broadcast in HD. I just bought my set (a very inexpensive 30" Philips widescreen from Costco) and box (Hughes E86) over Thanksgiving, and was delighted to see all the OTA HD programming that I could receive. It was only after finding this forum and reading this thread that I realized what a struggle this has been. Great job to all those gadflies out there bugging the broadcasters. Let's get dolby digital next! BTW, the wife is convinced that I have lost my mind given all the time that I'm spending watching travel, ocean, and insect documentaries on the DirecTV HD package.

My question involves the northern limits of the OTA HD reception area. I receive HD broadcasts well living in the area close to Metro North Mall. I have an old attic antenna which works wonderfully. My father-in-law is moving here from Indiana to a house a few miles north of Liberty Hospital on Hwy 33. I'm going to help him get DirecTV going so that he can also watch beaches and bugs in HD, but I wanted to know if in his location he can also expect to have as much luck with OTA broadcasts as I've had. Can someone who lives up that way comment on the reception? Thanks in advance.

kcsooner - I didn't watch the game last night, but I noticed they were talking about it in a thread in HDTV Programming.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=335685&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

Originally posted by Eyedox
[QUOTE]Originally posted by js615
I live at 159th between Murlen and Ridgeview and get solid reception save an occasional glitch on ABC.

Wow! I live at 159th between Murlen and Blackbob (around Brougham). Howdy neighbor!

Howdy guys!!! 135th and Quivera for me!!!
Shawn

Shawn or anybody,

I have an Uncle that lives in the 144 and Antioch area. What kind of antenna are you using and where is it located. I doing to install a 811 this weekend I would like a little help on what kind antenna is working in that area. I really don't want to bring down a bunch of different antennas.

Thanks
Shawn

If possible try an attic UHF/VHF antenna first for all local OTA HDTV reception. Outdoor OTA UHF/VHF antenna next and then onto a directional antenna, rotor and possible amp signal booster for your Over the Air antenna. Rabbit ears, stick and disc amp antennas or a dish clamp on antenna works good in the metro area. Using RG-6 shielded coax cable with a grounding block straight to the receiver helps with signal strength. Full power broadcasting stations in Kansas City get noticed by HDTV viewers- low power stations just don't get watched by viewers or advertisers.

So according to antennaweb.org it looks like everything is coming from 21 - 46 degrees. Iguess I should ask if anybody has the lat and long for the towers. That would help me a ton.

thanks

csschrot maybe this will help. http://www.tvradioworld.com/region1/mo/tv_information.asp?m=kan

Jeffdbs,

Thanks this is great. I get to see the power output and get the tower locations.

THANK YOU

Shawn

Has anyone else noticed there's no sound on Channel 41's HD feed, at least on Comcast 183? I called Comcast and they said it's been out for three days now, and it's a Channel 41 problem. The guy said KSHB told them today they're still trying to fix it.

Yea Olathebob, I noticed that too, started about the time we got our first snow so I associated it with a cable problem because there was Pixelation on the HD Feeds at that time too. Good to know it is not Comcast on this one.

I receive 41's digital feed OTA and I haven't had any problem with audio.

I am frustrated that I am the only one having PSIP problems with WB-62 (DT-47). It senses a signal there, but cannot resolve the audio or video from it. So I just get a blank screen. Any suggestions on what I can do? I pick up ALL the other DT stations with the exceptions of SUX Channel 4 ... I mean FOX (for obvious reasons).

Sound Delay & STB questions for TW


I live in Lee's Summit, and have Time Warner digital with a Pioneer HD STB.

A couple of quick questions:

Has anyone noticed a sound delay on the HD channels? I did last night on all of them, where the sound was about a 1/2 second later than the video (I don't know if there is some fancy term for this, but I'm calling it sound delay). Any solutions? I've only had digital cable for a couple weeks and had never noticed before.

Also, on my Pioneer HD STB, I don't have a digital audio output. Are there any other HD boxes from Time Warner that have that option? I called them, and they said they didn't, but I just want to know if any of you have heard. They show that output on their diagrams on their website, but I didn't know if we just don't have that in our market.

Thanks for your help!

Ryan

Eyedox- Have you tried clearing all your digital channels and rescanning the airwaves with your STB?

JeffDBS - Yes I have tried that. Thanks though. I just think that the Mitusbishi integrated ATSC tuner in my set is not compatible with WB-62's PSIP equipment. Maybe they have it configured wrong.

I have 48 inch intergrated,mit and I get 62 fine.

I am just SOL then ... I saw Aaron Barnhart quoted me in the KC Star this last week. I am glad he is drawing attention to HD in KC.

ryanrid - I had (have?) audio sync problems with Time Warner (KC-North). When I first hooked up the HD box, if I used the analog audio with the component video I had the delay. I have a Pioneer box & it does have digital audio out, I use the digital when watching HD/component and the analog/s-video for my Tivo.

Did anyone else notice this last night?

We turned on the "Survivor" finale on KCTV-DT, and one of the four finalists had already been voted off! Turning over to KCTV analog, the show was about 20 minutes behind the DTV channel. We checked back around 10:00, and the two were sync'd up again. I don't know what the difference was, since both the analog and DTV stations were pushed back by the long Denver-Cleveland game. There must have been some problem from CBS.

Brad

Originally posted by Bradtothebone
Did anyone else notice this last night?

We turned on the "Survivor" finale on KCTV-DT, and one of the four finalists had already been voted off! Turning over to KCTV analog, the show was about 20 minutes behind the DTV channel. We checked back around 10:00, and the two were sync'd up again. I don't know what the difference was, since both the analog and DTV stations were pushed back by the long Denver-Cleveland game. There must have been some problem from CBS.

Brad

Could this be evidence of truth behind the KCTV time compression conspiracy?

Whenever CBS doesn't have a Football Doubleheader, like this past Sunday, they generally have two different primetime feeds.

One is for the CBS affiliates that choose to show a Noon game. This feed runs at regular schedule.

The other is for the CBS affiliates that choose to show a second game. In this case, the Denver game ran 20 minutes long, so this feed is running 20 minutes behind.

There is also always an HD feed (whether there is HD programming or not)that follows one of the two feeds mentioned above. Last night, the HD feed was following the regular schedule feed because the HD football game was one of the Noon games.

Sometime after the Denver game, KCTV mistakenly switched to the HD feed for their digital signal, while their analog feed stayed on the correct delayed feed. After a while, KCTV master control must have noticed that they were off and switched their digital channel to mirror the analog (like they do during local commercial breaks).

Sorry to say, but no conspiracy. Just an honest mistake. Actually, their switcher is probably programmed to switch to the HD feed at 7:00 automatically. They probably didn't even think about the problem that it created until somebody in master control took a look at their digital channel.

Here's a previous post from about a week ago, I inadvertently posted it somewhere else. Who knows where.....

But anyway, tonight 41 isn't coming in at all....

Here's the original post..........

Hey everyone.

For about 10 days now, maybe a bit more, maybe a bit less, channel 41.1 has been very pixelated and cuts out frequently. I have an antenna that norm from Antenna Masters installed in my attic. Up until now 41.1 has come in very clearly, but now it sucks. My signal strength meter on my Sat HD 200 receiver alternates between good and bad and the picture quality reflects the meter. Basically it's unwatchable.

Also, for a long while I couldn't get 38, but now it just peachy. Weird. Is there anything going on that a fellow should know about?

Is anyone else having these problems???

Embo

I've got 41, but not 38. 38 may be off for the night, though.

Thanks for the info on CBS, Timmy. I thought it must be something like that.

Brad

I just installed a OTA Antenna in my attic. I live in Olathe and get all the Digital channels except for FOX WDAF. I do not have a rotator on the antenna. Does anyone out this way pick up all the channels without having to rotate the antenna? Right now I have it point at about 40 - 45 degrees.

Originally posted by psyydoc
First of all, I wanted to thank all of those who have pushed the KC TV stations to broadcast in HD... <<snip snip>>

My question involves the northern limits of the OTA HD reception area. <<snipo>> Can someone who lives up that way comment on the reception? Thanks in advance.

Had no replies, but found the info I needed on antennaweb.org. Have a great day...

I just installed a OTA Antenna in my attic. I live in Olathe and get all the Digital channels except for FOX WDAF. I do not have a rotator on the antenna. Does anyone out this way pick up all the channels without having to rotate the antenna? Right now I have it point at about 40 - 45 degrees.

FOX4 is broadcasting a VERY low power signal (1kw) from a VERY low tower (100ft.). It is next to impossible to receive their signal in Olathe.

I have my antenna installed on my roof. No rotator, no amp, I am getting the same results as you.

In the past, I have tried a Channel Master UHF antenna, on a higher mast, with a CM amp, and I STILL could not even get a blip from FOX4.

I am close to 127th and Mur-Len.

I do get Fox, but I think I'm the only one on this board who does - don't hate me, but it's an attic antenna - but I'm at the top of a hill in my subdivision at 121st & Switzer and on clear days / most decent weather nights - it does come in. Reads @ 35-40 on my signal strength meter - with an E-86 clone STB (Mitsu HD5).

To answer your next question - they have few to no plans to upgrade either their tower or their power prior to going full HD late next year - and that isn't a firm date/commitment.

We've faced similar commitment issues with most of the other OTA stations in town, they're just the latest sour flavor of the month - not that we've just noticed mind you, the others have seemingly gotten their act together, so now there's only a couple others to hate on but WDAF - Fox 4.

Hope that helps.

Kendal

but my 41 reception is wacked. The signal strength goes BAD/GOOD, BAD/GOOD alternating like alternating current. I do NOT get it. Any ideas? I get everything else just fine. I live about a mile south of Metro North Mall on a ridge.......

Embo_9

Does anyone have an update on the status of KSHB on TWC? It is somewhat frustrating that TWC customers are still the only ones in KC that can not receive the digital signal and HD content. Of course TWC still says it is "coming soon". I can somewhat understand the delay on ESPNHD but not for something that can be received free over the air.

Embo_9 - I had to add an additional UHF antenna - pointed basically ENE (from my location) to be able to pick up both KMCI and KSHB after they moved their tower earlier this year in prep to go HD. A decent sized Rat Shack UHF only did the trick.

kcsooner - go OTA baby, the best part is it's free (sorry, know that's not the answer you want to hear, but i couldn't resist).

Kendal

ON 12-16-03 TWC and HDnet agreed to carry HDnet and HDnet movies on Time Warner systems. Looks like Time Warner is getting a little bit bigger in the HD market. But they still don't have ESPN-HD.

Josh

TWC does also have DiscoveryHD, inHD and inHD2 correct? If they do, that's pretty cool that they also have the HD Net stuff!

So any idea when we'll see these other channels on TWC?

Do you think Kansas City will create a HDTV pay group and put DiscoveryHD, InHD1/2 and these new channels (+ESPN?) in it? I got the impression that TWC did this in other areas. I am hoping they don't as I am paying a bit more than I should (personally) to get what I have now, an additional charge will force me to re-evaluate anything beyond basic cable. We saved up for over six months just to get the cheapest HDTV-ready TV.

-C-F

I heard that the are creating a pay group for some of the HD programming.

Josh

I have noticed that the PQ for the CBS HD NFL games is not quite what I would expect. It still looks great overall, but there seems to be some minimal dithering or pixelation (not to mention the continued sound problems). The ABC Monday Night broadcasts seem much clearer. (I am receiving my signal from TWC.) Any ideas why this may be the case?

I think part of it is CBS, some of the sideline views are SD that's upconverted and don't look great.

The audio is KCTV5, they are having problems working the audio out. I think I have sent emails durring all the Chiefs HD games for bad or no audio.

Question for all the people that have Attic installed Antennas. What do I need to do to ground my antenna. I have the little grounding part (2 coax threads mounted on a piece of metal with another screw for the ground. Any help would be appreciated.

You can attach it to your incoming copper water pipe (before your meter), or, you can drive a metal grounding rod into the ground next to your home and attach you grounding cable to it.

Cable companies usually use the second option, so if by chance you use cable along with your OTA there is most likely already a grounding rod in place.

What type of cable or wire do I use to run from the metal grounding piece to the copper water pipe?

Any larger gauge copper single strand wire will be fine. Take a trip to Home Depot, or Lowes, or whatever you have close, and look at the coax cable with the embeded grounding wire. Perfect example.

Went to the electronics stores and the people buying HDTV's is wonderful. I also noticed more and more HDTV's have built in Over the Air decoder modules. Hopefully alot of Kansas City HDTV viewers will check out this forum for local HDTV information. Please keep those calls and e-mail going to WDAF and KSMO television stations in order to convince management at WDAF and KSMO to turn on the full power HDTV 1080i and 720p signal. Thanks. Merry Christmas.:)

Has anyone noticed KCTV-5 has not been broadcasting consistently in HD the past few nights? Watched some of "Raymond" last night and later tuned in to look at "CSI-Miami", both of which were 4:3 SD. What's up channel 5?

Their regular crew is probably on holiday vacation. :D

Happy Holidays!!

They keep having problems with the sound being jittery so I think they bounce it to SD and reset/etc. and then they try it again and it works for awhile and then it goes bad again.
At least thats what I have experienced

Yeah CBS last night had that double digital echo thing going on with the audio around 720pm last night during their prime time comedy shows. It was annoying enough to switch the channel for. I ended up on MNF which was an awesome game. Brett Favre was awesome in the first half and all that with his dad dying around Christmas suddenly.

Originally posted by ryanrid
Also, on my Pioneer HD STB, I don't have a digital audio output. Are there any other HD boxes from Time Warner that have that option? I called them, and they said they didn't, but I just want to know if any of you have heard. They show that output on their diagrams on their website, but I didn't know if we just don't have that in our market.

Thanks for your help!

Ryan

I have a Pioneer STB from Time Warner that has digital audio out, and DVI out.

More good Kansas City HDTV news from Aaron Barnhart in the Kansas City Star newspaper. http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/entertainment/columnists/aaron_barnhart/7549993.htm

Has anyone noticed if KMBC-09 (DT-07) is broadcasting in Dolby Digital 5.1 audio? I myself have not yet noticed 5.1 dolby on KMBC but once in awhile KCPT 19 (DT-18) does broadcast Dolby digital in 5.1.

Originally posted by jeffdbs
Has anyone noticed if KMBC-09 (DT-07) is broadcasting in Dolby Digital 5.1 audio? I myself have not yet noticed 5.1 dolby on KMBC but once in awhile KCPT 19 (DT-18) does broadcast Dolby digital in 5.1.

Nope!

Originally posted by Eyedox
Yeah CBS last night had that double digital echo thing going on with the audio around 720pm last night during their prime time comedy shows. It was annoying enough to switch the channel for. I ended up on MNF which was an awesome game. Brett Favre was awesome in the first half and all that with his dad dying around Christmas suddenly.
Same is happening during the Packers/Broncos game....so I switched to my hi/def through DirectTV, and it's perfect. So it's not CBS' fault, it's KCTV. I hope they fix this before the Super Bowl.:confused:

Please lets all drop them a line and let them know we ARE watching, and we are having sound issues.

Strength in numbers. Be nice!! :)

Dan Somes
Director of Engineering
dsomes@kctv5.com

Kirk Black
General Manager
kblack@kctv5.com

These guys are excellent at responding to nice e-mails.

I sent a nice email to Dan Somes and Kirk Black on Monday morning regarding the audio/echo problem. Mr. Black read the email 2 hours after I sent it and has not replied.

An article on Kansas City HDTV written by Aaron Barnhart that was published in the Kansas City Star. http://www.ohio.com/mld/kansascity/7575899.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp

More Kansas City HDTV news. http://kansascity.bizjournals.com/kansascity/stories/2003/08/04/focus1.html?page=1

The Dallas/Carolina game is interesting, getting background audio and no announcers - not sure if it's better or worse.

Anyone know what happened to the ABC HD feed on TWC? I went to have dinner and when I came back it was off.

The ABC OTA feed has reverted to SD, so I don't think it's TWC's issue.

Just called (816) 221-9999 (Press "9" for a "news tip" a.k.a live person) and the female that answered said that they were aware of the outage, and they were working on fixing it. The reverted to SD because of the audio issue.

She talked like I wasn't the first caller. :-)

At least they aren't doing any of the Chief's games.

Thanks. I was just getting ready to show off the game to someone and I come down to see it in SD. Oh well, my timing is never good. Hopefully they get it fixed here soon.

KMBC Just ran a crawl at the bottom of the screen saying that they are working on the issue.

I still don't get why the switched the feed, I wasn't missing Madden all that much, and if I wanted to listen I could switch to the SD. So instead I get the crappy picture with sidebars so I can listen to the announcers?

I agree with you 4MUKC, but I'm sure it violates some silly contract to show the video without the audio. Too bad, I was really enjoying it.

Looks like the HD signal is back OTA, but they have the 16:9 picture squeezed to a 4:3 frame. Skinniest O-Line I've ever seen. :-)

Well I just found out today that Everest is now doing HDTV and I can't wait to get my box. I wish that I didn't have to go out of town on Monday until Tuesday! I suppose I'll have to wait until Wednesday.

Is everyone having problems with audio and video breaking up on CBS or is it a TWC problem? Local HD hasn't been very impressive lately. I haven't even been able to watch a whole game yet.

So far so good today, OTA, but KCTV has had problems every game in HD. I emailed Aaron Barnhart about it, he said he would be calling KCTV. I (and many others here) have emailed KCTV about it too. A couple of weeks ago, I switched during a game to Direct TV HD and their sound was perfect while at the same time KCTV was bad....so it's not CBS, it seems to be all at KCTV. Hope they fix it before the Super Bowl.

TWC must be playing some part in it as well than because I'm lucky if I can watch a minute of CBS without some type of problem.

Today was a great weekend for HDTV Football in KC. 3 total games in hd and one fox widescreen 480p. Not a bag weekend



Josh

In general how do Comcast subscribers feel about their HD? I am moving from the northland to Blue Springs and have been told by a few Comcast subscribers that they really don't like them - none of them have HD.

I would probably just go with Direct, but the HD Tivo is still weeks/months away, so don't really want to spend money on the tuner.

I saw something for the first time Saturday morning - at least it was a first for me:

KSHB was actually ADVERTISING their digital station! I didn't see the whole thing, but they had a graphic up that said something like "Available over-the-air at channel 41-1, and on Time Warner Cable at channel ?????.

Has anyone else ever seen them or any other local station advertise their digital station?

Brad

Brad - I did not see that ad, pretty cool about KSHB actually touting that they have a nice strong digital signal (finally).

To those having KCTV issues - it must be a TWC thing. I pull my HD OTA, there were no issues at all during the Colts / Broncos game yesterday, and we watched the entire glorious Colts kicking Bronco butt affair. Anyone catch the name of the Colts punter, I don't recall seeing his name yesterday.....

Kendal

Originally posted by 4MUKC
The Dallas/Carolina game is interesting, getting background audio and no announcers - not sure if it's better or worse.

I really enjoyed the first quarter of the game minus Michaels and Madden. I certainly didn't miss Madden saying "boom" or discussing "kankles". For a bit I thought it was being done on purpose (until they reverted to SD). I wish that the network HD games offered an SAP with just the game sounds.

I thought I noticed (at least my receiver indicated as such) KMBC broadcasting in 5.1 Dolby Digital during the first 20 minutes of Castaway tonight and then it switched back. Did anyone else notice this?

Brad--
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KSHB was actually ADVERTISING their digital station! I didn't see the whole thing, but they had a graphic up that said something like "Available over-the-air at channel 41-1, and on Time Warner Cable at channel ?????.
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If Channel 41 is on TWC that is news to me. I did NOT notice it today on TWC so I think this must be wishful thinking on KSHB's part.

New to HDTV info.. I just bought a Samsung 351 to view local OTA channels on my Benq 8700 projector for watching primarily football and the upcoming Superbowl.

I live in Shawnee and my 2 story house is at the top of a hill.

After hooking it up I can get NBC, ABC and WB, but no signal for KCTV 5, I've tried the channels mentioned, 21, 24 and get absolutely nothing.

I have a 120" antenna in the attic pointed in all directions and still nothing. I am ready to take the thing back to Circuit City, cancel my Superbowl party, because right now, channel 5 is my primary concern.

Any suggestions, or help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Jasman

Time Warner RoadRunner High Speed Internet slashing prices in Kansas City market only ... trying to compete with DSL's rates.
http://news.com.com/2100-1034-5135332.html?tag=nefd_hed

Originally posted by Jasman
New to HDTV info.. I just bought a Samsung 351 to view local OTA channels on my Benq 8700 projector for watching primarily football and the upcoming Superbowl.

I live in Shawnee and my 2 story house is at the top of a hill.

After hooking it up I can get NBC, ABC and WB, but no signal for KCTV 5, I've tried the channels mentioned, 21, 24 and get absolutely nothing.

I have a 120" antenna in the attic pointed in all directions and still nothing. I am ready to take the thing back to Circuit City, cancel my Superbowl party, because right now, channel 5 is my primary concern.

Any suggestions, or help is greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Jasman

If you haven't already, I suggest that you visit antennaweb.org (http://www.antennaweb.org) and key in your street address information. This will give you an idea of where you are relative to the transmission towers. You can then use the street level map to get a ballpark idea of where to aim your antenna.

You didn't mention if you are getting the analog signal for KCTV just that you weren't getting its digital one. If the analog is being received, it could be that the digital signal was down for some reason while you were trying to tune the antenna.

Good luck in your efforts

Originally posted by Eyedox
Time Warner RoadRunner High Speed Internet slashing prices in Kansas City market only ... trying to compete with DSL's rates....

This information is correct. Call and tell TWCKC you are considering switching to SBC's DSL. After a few minutes, the offered me $26.95/month for the next year.

As always, your mileage may vary.

Also NO WORD on when KSHB HD will be on TimeWarner Cable. I received the same "waiting on contract negotiations" speech.

Originally posted by hciv
This information is correct. Call and tell TWCKC you are considering switching to SBC's DSL. After a few minutes, the offered me $26.95/month for the next year.

As always, your mileage may vary.


I was confident that reading this forum was actually a productive use of my time... I just saved $216 over the next year by spending about three minutes on the phone! Thanks.

Originally posted by kcsooner
I thought I noticed (at least my receiver indicated as such) KMBC broadcasting in 5.1 Dolby Digital during the first 20 minutes of Castaway tonight and then it switched back. Did anyone else notice this?

I saw the same thing. I wasn't interested in the movie, so I don't know how long it lasted. But, my receiver seemed to enjoy it :cool:

Thanks for the reply!

What are the analog and/or digital channels? The Samsung, I believe, only picks up digital.. I may be wrong, though.

I've tried 21 & 24. I assume the analog would be 5.

Jasman

Originally posted by Jasman
I live in Shawnee and my 2 story house is at the top of a hill.

After hooking it up I can get NBC, ABC and WB, but no signal for KCTV 5, I've tried the channels mentioned, 21, 24 and get absolutely nothing.

I have a 120" antenna in the attic pointed in all directions and still nothing.

Jasman,

You should be able to get KCTV from about anywhere in Shawnee. You didn't say if you were able to get UPN (31 digital), PBS (18 digital), or KMCI (IND, 36 digital). If you can't get any of those four, you probably have some more aiming to do (see antennaweb.org). Your "120" antenna" has a UHF section, doesn't it? It would probably be a section with a number of short elements in a vertical "vee" shape. The open end of the "vee" should point in the direction of the transmitters.

I hope this helps. :)

Brad

Are you using an amp? You shouldn't need one in Shawnee with that antenna. Are you using good RG-6 coax that is grounded and not split out too much? Preferably it should go from the antenna, to the grounding block, and then directly to your STB. One splitter shouldn't hurt it too much. What is the roofing material on your house? You should be getting these stations.

KCTV5 - Digital Channel 24 - Maps to 5-1
KMBC9 - Digital Channel 7 - Maps to 9-1
KCPT19 - Digital Channel 18 - Maps to 19-1, 19-2, 19-3
KCWE29 - Digital Channel 31 - Maps to 29-1
KMCI38 - Digital Channel 36 - Maps to 38-1
KSHB41 - Digital Channel 42 - Maps to 41-1
KSMO62 - Digital Channel 47 - Maps to 62-1

If your Sammy is like mine, and it is not picking up these stations by doing an autoscan, you can manually key in the digital channel number, 24 for example. Then you should be able to pull up a signal strength meter and have someone help you aim the antenna.

Originally posted by Jasman
Thanks for the reply!

What are the analog and/or digital channels? The Samsung, I believe, only picks up digital.. I may be wrong, though.

I've tried 21 & 24. I assume the analog would be 5.

Jasman

Jasman -

Yes, the analog signal for KCTV is on channel 5 while their digital signal is on 24. As Brad has pointed out, your antenna should be one that receives both VHF and UHF in order to get all of the signals here in KC and the UHF section (usually a "V" shape) should be pointed with the open end of the "V" pointed in the direction of the transmitters.

While I'm not familiar with the Samsung set top box (STB), it should get both analog and digital signals and from what HDTimmy has mentioned, it sounds like you may be better off manually entering 24 (and the other missing digital channels) rather than letting the STB try to pick it up during an autoscan.

If you have two people and a set of walkie-talkies you can then use the signal meter on the Samsung to guide the person in the attic where to point the antenna for the best signal from all of the stations. It's not rocket science but it can be frustrating as I found out when trying to combine signals from two antennas in the attic. Just remember to take it slowly.

Regards,
Kurt

Originally posted by FrugalRacer
I saw the same thing. I wasn't interested in the movie, so I don't know how long it lasted. But, my receiver seemed to enjoy it :cool:

Yup, ABC is broadcasting in 5.1 - the other night According to Jim and Less than Perfect were in 5.1.

The results were just OK. The spoken voices did come from the center and some (very little actual) spacial placement of ambient sound in the rear - unless you count the canned laugh track. LFE was almost non-existent. Other than movies, I don't expect well hear too many good soundtracks, even if they are 5.1.

Originally posted by 4MUKC
In general how do Comcast subscribers feel about their HD? I am moving from the northland to Blue Springs and have been told by a few Comcast subscribers that they really don't like them - none of them have HD.

I would probably just go with Direct, but the HD Tivo is still weeks/months away, so don't really want to spend money on the tuner.

4MUKC,
Doesn't look like anyone has answered this one so I will try. I am in Grain Valley and Comcast supplies my HDTV with a Motorola 5100 box. Generally the signal comes in very good (although I am waiting on a Electroline amp to hopefully clean it up a bit). Price is not bad, only 5 dollars more a month for the 5100 and HDTV programming. Still waiting for HD UPN or HDNet or Discovery HD Theater though but INHD and INHD2 are absolute Eye Candy! That is about all I have. I do have 1 gripe that I will share though, the 5100 makes analog cable look like poop on a 65" Mits. Sometimes it looks so bad that I will either try to squint to clear it up or watch a documentary about penguins on INHD to keep me from calling again and asking when they are getting the 6000 series boxes in.

Brad

The Moto box is a pretty good deal for the 5 bucks a month it'll cost but it does suck it on analog channels. Just split the signal before the Moto and then use your TV's tuner to watch the analog channels. That's what I did and it really makes a difference.

Is there any information on when TWC-KC will start carrying the local NBC's digital channel so we can see Leno and company in HD?

If I look at Yahoo TV listings, they already have channel numbers listed for NBC's KC affiliate in HD and even it's sister station, 38 in digital format. Is it me or has TWC-KC said that these two networks are "coming soon" for the longest time?? I don't care about digital 38 because it'll only have standard def programming, but NBC, come on! I want to see Law & Order, Leno, etc, etc, in HD and TWC is my only method.


And off topic, what is up with the WB station here? TWC says that it's only standard def, is that true? I figured people here would be pissed to be missing some HD shows. I don't get why TWC-KC doesn't talk to the local WB station about carrying its digital signal.


Lastly, is there any word on any channels we haven't discussed being added to TWC's HD lineup? I heard that TW Corporate struck a deal to show HDNet and HDNetMovies, but I haven't heard a peep about those networks coming to TWC-KC....any word about ESPN-HD? How about CinemaxHD?

Yes, WB62 is only in SD right now. I just e-mailed them yesterday, waiting for a response.

Another channel TWC is missing is KCWE-UPN29. They have Enterprise and Jake 2.0 in HD every Wednesday and some Friday night movies. The PQ on Jake 2.0 is VERY impressive.

GVbhunt

Thanks!

No discover hd, that bites - I enjoy that. Does the 5100 box upconvert everything like those first SA boxes that Time Warner had? I have the Pioneer now, it will output at all the resloutions the tv supports. Sounds like I will be moving to dish as soon as they can get the HD Tivo shipping.

4MUKC--

The 5100 can upconvert everything but I have it set to display what it receives.

I just purchased a Sony KDF-70XBR950 Grand Wega, which will be delivered soon.

I've been scanning this thread for the latest version of Kansas City DTV broadcasters, and what formats they are broadcasting for video and audio.

I found the list at the beginning of the forum, from March of 2003. I know that there is some info out of date there. Does anyone have an update?

This is what I have for video formats right now. I have no info on the audio. I'd appreciate corrections and updates.

4.1 WDAF 34 480p
5.1 KCTV 24 1080i
9.1 KMBC 7 720p
19.1-3 KCPT 18 1080i
29.1 KCWE 31 1080i
38.1 KCMI 36 720p
41.1 KSHB 42 1080i
50.1 KPXE 51 To start broadcasting 04/04
62.1 KSMO 47 480p

Not 100% sure on this, but I think all the local digital stations broadcast in regular digital, 2-channel sound, with the exception of channel 9, which has just recently started to pass Dolby 5.1. I know Alias was in 5.1 last night and sounded great!!

Also, does anyone have the scoop about Time Warner rolling out new HD channels? I know we're supposed to get 41 and 38 "anytime now", but that's been a while. I broke down and bought an OTA to get 41. TWC nationally has contracted to sign HDNet and HDNet movies, but I've heard nothing locally. Still waiting for ESPN-HD and getting VERY frustrated with them not carrying it. They've been saying "I'm sure we'll get it very soon" since this time last year.

Thanks in advance!

Maybe we should have an additional post on the first page of this thread that is similar to the local of-air broadcaster's information - only this additional post would capture and update local service provider data.

For example: What content and/or channels are TW and Comcast carrying? Also, I read in the KC Star that Everest announced HD plans. What are the DBS providers offering? What are the video and audio formats supported by these providers?

Can one of the Senior Members create the post so we can keep it updated?

Originally posted by KC-Technerd

I found the list at the beginning of the forum, from March of 2003. I know that there is some info out of date there. Does anyone have an update?

This is what I have for video formats right now. I have no info on the audio. I'd appreciate corrections and updates.

4.1 WDAF 34 480p
5.1 KCTV 24 1080i
9.1 KMBC 7 720p
19.1-3 KCPT 18 1080i
29.1 KCWE 31 1080i
38.1 KCMI 36 720p
41.1 KSHB 42 1080i
50.1 KPXE 51 To start broadcasting 04/04
62.1 KSMO 47 480p

KC-Technerd, Congrats on your new TV - I'm sure you'll enjoy it a lot!

I'm not sure if WDAF broadcasts 480p widescreen - it may only be 480i 4:3. Can anybody confirm this?

Similarly, I don't know what KMCI is broadcasting, but I suspect it's 1080i (upconverted), since their sister station KSHB is in 1080i. It MAY be just 480i, though.

I'm pretty certain, however, that KSMO is 480i, not 480p.

Somebody said they've seen some DD5.1 on KCPT, but I can't confirm that either. KMBC is definitely up and running in DD5.1 now, however.

Is that clear as mud, now? If I said anything wrong, somebody jump in.

Brad

Originally posted by KC-Technerd

4.1 WDAF 34 480p
5.1 KCTV 24 1080i
9.1 KMBC 7 720p
19.1-3 KCPT 18 1080i
29.1 KCWE 31 1080i
38.1 KCMI 36 720p
41.1 KSHB 42 1080i
50.1 KPXE 51 To start broadcasting 04/04
62.1 KSMO 47 480p

A little off-topic, but I'm wondering why the newer digital tuners can actually map the channels as listed in the left column. My (admittedly old) Proscan 65000's tuner requires that I input the channel numbers in the center column. For example, 7-1 for KMBC and 42-2 for KSHB. What is driving this? I suspect that there is a basic reason for this, but I don't even know what terms I should search to find this out.

Thanks for your help!

Has anyone insalled VOOM yet? I am really considering to do this based on the number of HD channels they have. If any one has any info on Voom in KC please let me know.

mdbarke1030 - have you called VOOM yet? I did - do yourself a favor and ask a lot of questions about the content.

I learned that much of the programming is up-converted 480i crap (wilderness perspectives and "mood" content). The rest of the channels, which are broadcasting true 1080i, has lame content. There is enough local broadcasts off-air and a wide variety coming from the cable companies or DirecTV that I could not justify a switch to VOOM. But that's just me...other's may disagree.

Before your invest do some more research, otherwise you may find yourself watching HD fireplace scenes.

Hi all! I am new to this forum and so far it has been a wealth of information. My wife and I just recently purchased a Mitsubishi 55" Widescreen HDTV and I am very anxious to try it out with HD content. I am currently a Dish Network subscriber because I have had nothing but problems with Comcast since I moved to Olathe. Dish is sending me an 811 receiver in 6 to 8 days and I have a couple of questions that I would like to ask everyone.

After I receive my 811 receiver and subscribe to the HD package from Dish will I need to upgrade my satellite dish too? I currently have a Dish 500 satellite dish.

Also I currently receive my local channels thru Dish and from what I understand they do not broadcast anything local in HD. With this being the case I am looking into getting an OTA Antenna. I looked on the antennaweb website and it shows all of the channels in red except 1 in blue and 1 in violet. From what I have read on this forum and others, in regards to OTA Antenna's, I know that what works for someone might now work for someone else. I currently live in Olathe around 155th and Blackbob and would like a recommendation on what brand of Antenna and what type of Antenna I should look at getting. Also any tips on installing an OTA Antenna would be greatly appreciated.

I look forward to hearing from you all.

Thanks

Chadman0

call Norm @ Antenna Masters....that's my advice. He'll fix you up with everything you need.

Chadman0 - You live right around the corner from me. I live at 158th & Lindenwood. So I can vouch first hand about the ease of getting signal in our neighborhood. I have a generic Radio Shack antenna that I installed myself and it works like a champ. I am not familiar with the Dish equipment, but I do know that the quality of the OTA tuner makes more of a difference than the antenna (assuming you have the antenna aimed correctly). Are you going to use the digital tuner built in to the Mits or is the Dish box a combo DBS/OTA unit?

Also, WRT your needing to upgrade your dish - again I don't know the specifics of Dish Network's setup, but I do know that when you subscribe to DirecTV's HD package and buy the IRD from them, they will have a professional installation crew come out and install the gear, including a new dish if required. You may want o verify Dish's stance on the same.

js615, thanks for your response! Is your Radio Shack antenna an indoor or outdoor antenna? I am assuming it is an outdoor one. I have heard a lot of mixed reviews on the indoor ones but have also heard that a couple of the Radio Shack indoor antenna's are worth trying out first before you install a big one in the attic or outside. I will be using the Dish 811 receiver that has a built in OTA tuner to get my local channels via an antenna.

I was just told by Dish that I will not have to upgrade my satellite because they moved all HD programming to 110 which I believe I currently use. So I will see once I get my receiver in.

I originally called Dish to signup for the $149 upgrade offer to the Dish 811 receiver. I was put on a 4 to 6 week waiting list because they didn't have any of these receivers in stock and they were in high demand. Out of curiosity I called several of the local retailers to see if they had them in stock and they all said that they had plenty in stock and would come and install it for $350. That really got me thinking because Dish told me that once one became available for me they would send it to a local retailer who would contact me about setting up an appointment to get it installed for $149. I thought it was kind of weird that all the local retailers had plenty of them in stock but Dish was still putting me on a 4 to 6 week waiting list.

Well I emailed the Dish executive offices about this and told them I didn't think it was fair for someone that lived in an area that had an abundance of these receivers to be put on a waiting list. Needless to say I received a phone call the very next morning from a lady in the executive offices who was very pleasant to talk to. She immediately told me that they would send out a Dish 811 receiver to me that day free of shipping and installation charges. All I had to do is pay the $149 upgrade fee. It is due to arrive at my house in 6 to 8 days.

I am pleased with their fast response.

Thanks for the responses,

Chadman0

Chadman0-

Welcome to the Kansas City Forum! You'll find there's lots of good info here if you have problems.

I'm on Dish, also, using a 6000. Dish just recently moved all the existing HD programming they had on the 61.5 satellite over to 110. So, while you USED to need two dishes (a 500 pointed at 110/119 and a 300 pointed at 61.5) to receive HD, you now only need the 500. Bottom line is that you are all set!

As for OTA, I use a Radio Shack VHF/UHF antenna in my attic (I think it's their second largest one, but I'm not sure) with a preamp. I live in western Shawnee, south of Bonner Springs. My setup gets me all the digital stations except WDAF, which hardly anyone can get. Depending on what's between you and the towers, an attic installation will probably work for you, too. It's sure worth a try before you go up on your roof! Good Luck...

Brad

Originally posted by chadman0
Hi all! I am new to this forum and so far it has been a wealth of information. My wife and I just recently purchased a Mitsubishi 55" Widescreen HDTV and I am very anxious to try it out with HD content. I am currently a Dish Network subscriber because I have had nothing but problems with Comcast since I moved to Olathe. Dish is sending me an 811 receiver in 6 to 8 days and I have a couple of questions that I would like to ask everyone.

After I receive my 811 receiver and subscribe to the HD package from Dish will I need to upgrade my satellite dish too? I currently have a Dish 500 satellite dish.

Also I currently receive my local channels thru Dish and from what I understand they do not broadcast anything local in HD. With this being the case I am looking into getting an OTA Antenna. I looked on the antennaweb website and it shows all of the channels in red except 1 in blue and 1 in violet. From what I have read on this forum and others, in regards to OTA Antenna's, I know that what works for someone might now work for someone else. I currently live in Olathe around 155th and Blackbob and would like a recommendation on what brand of Antenna and what type of Antenna I should look at getting. Also any tips on installing an OTA Antenna would be greatly appreciated.

I look forward to hearing from you all.

Thanks

Chadman0


Hey Chadman.....

I live in between at 153rd between BlackBob and Pflumm and recently installed a OTA antenna in my attic. I picked it up at Lowes for like $60. I do get quite a few channels and they all come in at about 90%. Picture quality is excellent and I also have DishN with the 811 receiver. I do need to run a ground wire though and havent quite figured that one out yet. Was a pretty easy install. It was bigger than I thought out of the box and I just hung it from a rafter in the attic on a mast.

Jeff

Thanks for all of the responses. Once I get my 811 receiver I will try and setup an OTA Antenna. If I have any questions or problems I will let you know.

Thanks again,

Chadman0

157th & Blackbob ... neighbors! :)

Wow! South Olathe must be the HDTV capital of KC Metro? When's the block party?

BTW - Chadman0: I have my antenna mounted on a 5" mast just above roof line outside my house. The only real issue I had to overcome was whole-house distribution of my video signals because the moron who originally installed all the wiring in my house (I bought it as a spec home) must have been the world's biggest goober - everything is one big loop! a nice Channel Master distribution amp solved the problem nicely and I couldn't be happier.

I am using the new TWC Pioneer HD Box and I would like to use its DVI-OUT. My understanding is that I need a DVI-D single link cable. My understand is that the HD picture with DVI blows away component video. I would hook this up to my Dell 3200MP via DVI/P&D adaptor.

Here is my question: Where I can get CHEAP DVI cables in KC? All the major retailers just sell the overpriced garbage and I want stuff similar to Internet prices: A DVI-D single link male to male 5m (or 10ft) for about $30.

I figure some kind (or kinds) of computer stores should sell this, right?

Any assistance anyone can provide? Thanks!

they are in that strip mall south of Home Depot. That's where I got ALL my gear.

Or just give them a shout at 913 341 2222. Ask for Derrick in installation or Ron, they should be able to help you.

Thanks! I'll give it a shot!

Now can anyone confirm that what I need for the Pioneer cable HD box is a DVI-D single link cable?

All the DVI formats are confusing and I want to make sure I purchase the right cable.

I was just getting ready to post something similar pappy97. I to am going to get a DVI-D single link cable and don't want to pay $100 for a monster cable. I have found several on the Internet that are pretty cheap but I don't quite understand the differences in cable quality. Does anyone here use DVI and if so what type of cable did you get and how do you like it? I am going to call audioport and see what they have to offer.

Thanks

Chadman0

"I am going to call audioport and see what they have to offer."

Would you mind sharing your results? Thanks!

DVI-D single or double link will work. I went ahead and got the double link because it was only $1 more than the single link (got it at www.pacificcable.com).

Do you know if there is a difference in picture quality with going with a less expensive cable? I don't want to spend that much on a cable but I also don't want to lose picture quality.

pappy97 what did audioport have to say about the dvi cable?

Thanks

Chadman0

I thought you were going to call audioport :-)

Sorry for the confusion. Yes I was going to call them too but I got tied up at work and home. If I have a chance today I will call them. I have been find a lot of good deals on DVI cables on Ebay that I might bid on. Some of them are under $10 shipped.

Thanks

Chadman0

Maybe I sent you two in the wrong direction. Audioport probably won't have cheap cables. But they will be able to tell you what you need.

You only need a DVI-D SINGLE link, but if it is only a dollar more, go ahead and get the double. You won't need it for the STB, but who knows in the future? Also, you should all know that the picture quality is better, but there is one drawback. You really need to understand how your TV handles different resolutions. For instance, my Sony KP-51ws500 downconverts 720p to 480p, this is a problem since when using the DVI, there is no resolution choices on the STB, it just sends the signal the way the station puts it out. So, when I want to watch ABC, I have to unhook the DVI and switch to the components, so that the box will upconvert it to 1080i for me. (When DVI is hooked up the components are disabled.) Just an FYI for you all. So keep that in mind.

An additional drawback to DVI,

Although I appreciate the improved picture quality, when changing channels with the Pioneer HD box using the DVI there is a very noticable delay as the TV adjusts to the different types of picture (480P->720P->1080I->ect.) The TV goes black, and the info for the channel appears, then the picture comes back. Note, this doesn't effect the non-HD channels that all run at the same resolution so channel changing is seemless there. It only happens on the HD side.

I would echo what kcjefff says above. My TV does a horrible job of handling a 720p signal, so HD content on ABC does not look very good using the DVI output. When using the component outs, I just tell the STB to output 1080i instead, but as Jeff indicated, that option is not available with the DVI output.

I'm anxiously awaiting the SA 8000HD (any more news on when TWC will get it?), and I'm hoping that it won't have this limitation on the DVI output.

Before everyone runs out and spends crazy $$$ on DVI cables, be aware that DVI may or may not result in a better picture - or least a significantly better picture to warrant extraordinary efforts to re-cable your system:

The most significant difference with DVI compared to component cable is that a DVI output from a digital source provides the capability to go from a digital signal (which is still compressed Y-Cb-Cr via MPEG2 by digital content providers) to an uncompressed digital RGB at the DVI output directly to the digital RGB processor in the display without any analog processing or extra D/A - A/D conversions and associated cables in between. So in some cases, your display manufacturer has deliberately or inadvertently limited the DVI input's capability by their lack of proper implementation of the format.

This is because most are probably implementing DVI solely for the purposes of content protection (the latest DVI format version uses HDCP copy protection to prevent unauthorized copying). I would bet that many display manufacturers do not want to spend the money to re-engineer their proprietary image control functions just to implement DVI outputs. What I have read is that some display manufacturers route their display's DVI input to an analog processor for scaling and other image enhancing, thus negating much of the DVI advantage. Additionally, I have read reviews in magazines and online from people whom have compared their display's component picture to a DVI picture and have come away less than impressed with DVI's superiority over component.

Bear in mind this may or may not be the case with your equipment and or setup. Other than avoiding the extra D/A conversion, you may not gain all that great advantage with DVI.

Personally, I think you'd be far happier spending time calibrating your picture with Digital Video Essentials ($20) or paying an ISF tech to come out and really get things going ($300). The latter is more expensive than the DVI cable, but you'll get a far superior image improvement, even if you still use component cables.

But that's just my opinion

Originally posted by kcjefff
You only need a DVI-D SINGLE link, but if it is only a dollar more, go ahead and get the double. You won't need it for the STB, but who knows in the future? Also, you should all know that the picture quality is better, but there is one drawback. You really need to understand how your TV handles different resolutions. For instance, my Sony KP-51ws500 downconverts 720p to 480p, this is a problem since when using the DVI, there is no resolution choices on the STB, it just sends the signal the way the station puts it out. So, when I want to watch ABC, I have to unhook the DVI and switch to the components, so that the box will upconvert it to 1080i for me. (When DVI is hooked up the components are disabled.) Just an FYI for you all. So keep that in mind.

Believe it or not, I may have a solution to this problem!

This is your prob as I understand it: If something is native 720p, it gets downconverted to 480p, so you'd like the Pioneer HD Cable Box to output 1080i via DVI, right?

I was roaming around the internet yesterday, and I found your solution:

First, hook up your TV via component video. Unplug the DVI from the Pioneer Box.

With your TV and Pioneer HD Box on, walk up to your box. Hold down the diamond button and press (And then depress) the (-) volume button.

This should give you a secret hidden menu on the bottom of your TV which says 720p or 1080i.

Select 1080i, exit the hidden menu, hook your dvi back up to the Pioneer HD Box and remove the component video....
and VOILA! Everything that is being outputted via DVI is now 1080i (or if someone wants to choose 720p that's okay too, but that doesn't apply in your case).

Try it and be sure to thank me when you enjoy ABC HD via DVI.

Crazy how I learn this stuff and I don't have anything DVI related at my house yet, but then again, I knew everything about HDTV inside and out for a while before I ever had anything HDTV related.

Thanks pappy97, I will definitely try that tonight.

I just recently purchased the Samsung SIR-T151 for $179 at Circut City. I hooked it up to my 55" Samsung Projection HDTV that I have had about a year. I have an amplified antenna that I purchased from best buy for about $60.
Below are the channels that I am receiving:
KCTV5 - Digital Channel 24 - Comes in great all the time, HDTV football and CSI are great.
KMBC9 - Digital Channel 7 - Sometimes this channel comes in and sometimes is does not. The last two days I have just had "No Signal" flashing on my screen.
KCPT19 - Digital Channel 18 - Comes in grat all the time.
KCWE29 - Digital Channel 31 - Comes in great all the time.
KMCI38 - Digital Channel 36 - Comes in most of the time but it takes a few seconds for the channel to come in, it will flash "No Signal" and then after a few seconds it comes in.
KSHB41 - Digital Channel 42 - Comes in most of the time but it takes a few seconds for the channel to come in, it will flash "No Signal" and then after a few seconds it comes in.
KSMO62 - Digital Channel 47 - This channel always come in but sometimes there is a lot of distortion in the picture and sound, but when i check the signal strength it is fine.

I just recently purchased the Samsung SIR-T151 for $179 at Circut City. I hooked it up to my 55" Samsung Projection HDTV that I have had about a year. I have an amplified antenna that I purchased from best buy for about $60. I live in south OP around 151st and Metcalf. Below are the channels that I am receiving:
KCTV5 - Digital Channel 24 - Comes in great all the time, HDTV football and CSI are great.
KMBC9 - Digital Channel 7 - Sometimes this channel comes in and sometimes is does not. The last two days I have just had "No Signal" flashing on my screen.
KCPT19 - Digital Channel 18 - Comes in grat all the time.
KCWE29 - Digital Channel 31 - Comes in great all the time.
KMCI38 - Digital Channel 36 - Comes in most of the time but it takes a few seconds for the channel to come in, it will flash "No Signal" and then after a few seconds it comes in.
KSHB41 - Digital Channel 42 - Comes in most of the time but it takes a few seconds for the channel to come in, it will flash "No Signal" and then after a few seconds it comes in.
KSMO62 - Digital Channel 47 - This channel always come in but sometimes there is a lot of distortion in the picture and sound, but when i check the signal strength it is fine.
Any advice on what the problem is on 9, 41, and 62?
41 I can deal with because the channel actually comes good after the initial hesitation.
I don't understand why 9 is not working all the time, could it be that the switch on the back of my receiver is set to 1080i and the signal is supposed to be 720p? And why would it come in sometimes and not all the time?
And why is 62 distorted all the time.
Any advise would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Brian

What kind of antenna are you using? Many people will tell you to use a UHF antenna because of the generalization that "All digital channels are UHF."

Obviously that isn't true with our very own ABC affiliate. Since your other digital channels are coming in fine, it seems like the problem is your VHF capabilities with your antenna. Is your antenna a VHF/UHF antenna? If not, that is the first problem.

Did you use antennaweb.org (At least the old version of it)?

Also, how did you get a Samsung SIR-T151 for $179 at Circuit City? Was it a demo model? Open Box? I thought Circuit City didn't sell that model anymore. I ask because I am looking for a sub $200 OTA digital tuner for my parents and I have decided to help them get a T151, but many places STILL sell the T151 in the $300 range.

The SIR-T151 was an open box item at Circut City, but I would think if it was the unit that was the problem the channel would not come in sometimes and not come in other times.
My antenna is a UHF/VHF rabbit ears type of antenna that plugs into an outlet to get the amplification. It said HDTV compatible on the box.

KMCI38 - Digital Channel 36 - Comes in most of the time but it takes a few seconds for the channel to come in, it will flash "No Signal" and then after a few seconds it comes in.
KSHB41 - Digital Channel 42 - Comes in most of the time but it takes a few seconds for the channel to come in, it will flash "No Signal" and then after a few seconds it comes in.

I am having the same problems with my Sammy box and 38/41. I have contacted the station and they are waiting for some new equipment to come in that will fix the delay issue on some STBs.

For those wanting another cheaper source for DVI cables, check out MicroCenter on Metcalf--in the $30 range for dual DVI cable from what I remember--has been several months since I bought one there.

Time Warner is now carrying KSHB HD. When I was surfing the HD channels, I noticed KSHB was listed but it said it was a Subscription Service and then at 8:00 it was actually showing NBC programs. Finally!!
Now if they can get ESPN HD, I'll be set for winter.

Ron in KC

Good news--TWC update--I noticed tonight that TWC finally has KSHB up on channel 1441. Leno in HD!

Pappy97, just so you know, this menu does not affect the DVI output, I tried it and then switched to the service menu on my TV to see what format it was receiving(nice feature on my TV) and it still showed 480p during the practice, which means it was still receiving the 720p and downconverting it. So, I still have to switch to component.

Hi everyone,

I have been reading this forum for several months now. It helped me determine what TV to by, the Sony GWIII 50 in., which I have had since Thanksgiving. I’m very appreciative of all of the work people on this thread have done to help get HDTV programming on Time Warner in KC. I’m glad to finally see KSHB on 1441 and will be really happy if they get things worked out with ESPN. Does anyone have an update when Time Warner will be broadcasting ESPNHD, HDNet or HDNet movies channels.

On 1/14, I sent an e-mail with a heavy tone of frustration to Time Warner about the slow rollout of HDTV channels, and the fact that nobody has answers. I cited KSHB, ESPN-HD, HD-Net, and HD-Net Movies. I haven't heard back from them yet, but when (if) I do, I'll post the response on here. I'd like to think my complaint had something to do with getting KSHB on the air, but probably not!!!

I spoke with my buddy in TWC Engineering today, and he shared this with me concerning the E8000HD:

Look's like March or April for the 8000HD. Early testing with the Pioneer Echo code is buggy and we want to keep it in a couple of smaller test divisions before the big roll out.

He also mentioned this:

We have Ch 38 hidden on 1408 waiting for the OK to unwrap it.

To access hidden channels on the 3510. Hold the "Select" and the "<>" keys. Wait 10 seconds and then enter the desired Channel Number.

On the SA HD box, hold the "exit" key and the center button on the "bull's eye," on the box, till the display changes to "diag" and then enter the desired channel.

Both of these hacks have to be followed EACH time you want to tune in the hidden channel.

Don't hold your breath for ESPN-HD.

Craash, do you know if the 8000HD will have firewire and DVI?

I received my Dish 811 receiver over the weekend and got it installed. The HD channels look amazing! I am however very disappointed in the ESPN-HD channel. They only broadcast a limited schedule in HD. Maybe one program every other day if even that. You can get their HD schedule from the ESPN website. I am currently using component cables because I haven't had time to research places for DVI cables yet.

As far as an Antenna is concerned, I started out with an indoor Radio Shack antenna model 15-1880. I was able to get 8 Digital channels total. I watched the Pats vs. Colts game on CBS and it was outstanding quality. I was limited by a 3' coax cable from the back of the antenna so I couldn't move it around to much. I wasn't able to get all the major channels (ABC, CBS, and NBC) with a strong enough signal in one spot. So I had to move the antenna around for each channel. I returned the 15-1880 and against my better judgement, went to best buy and bought a Terk TV5. This is a low profile antenna that is hidden from view when I put it on top of my entertainment center. Needless to say I was pleasantly surprised with the reception. I can't for some reason get as many digital channels in as I could with the 15-1880 but with the Terk TV5 coming with a 6' attached coax cable instead of a 3' cable, I was able to move it to a location that I can get ABC, CBS, and NBC in just fine with a signal strength of 85 or higher. These three channels are the only ones I wanted anyhow so I think it will work out just fine. I hope we get some bad weather in the near future so I can test it out during that time to see how the reception is then. Not that I want bad weather, but would like to fully test its reception capabilities.

Thanks for everyones help here in the forum,

Chadman0

Originally posted by fcsmith
Craash, do you know if the 8000HD will have firewire and DVI?

It will have them, I have asked if they will be active when the box goes gold. I will report back.

Craash, thanks for the info on TWC. It's nice to have a contact and be able to get some kind of answer, since customer service is in the dark. Did your buddy mention anything about HD-Net??

do you use the remote or buttons on the unit itself to acess the hidden channel? Also it the hidden channel 1408 or 1431?

Josh

I didn't ask about HD-Net. Sorry. I will pass the question on.

I'm going to say something that most likely I shouldn't. When I asked about the DVI/Firewire ports, my buddy didn't have an answer. When I pressed him about the firewire (for archiving/storge purposes) he said:

. . . they - SA - are promoting a serial interface for an external hard drive. I don't remember the type however.

This made my ears perk up. I'm sure that DVI will be active (as it is now on the 8K) and although firewire would be nice, I don't have a DVHS so it wouldn't do me much good. But, easily replaceable external hard drives? Now we are talking!!

This is the second time he has mentioned external storage (I think I posted about it here last time, too), so I'm starting to believe that it might actually make it past the cutting room floor.

If it pans out, it could be a very, very interesting device.

Originally posted by kcroyaljosh
do you use the remote or buttons on the unit itself to acess the hidden channel? Also it the hidden channel 1408 or 1431?

Josh

It's been awhile since I've done the procedure, but I started the process with the box buttons, and then entered the channel with the remote.

My email from him said 1408. I realize the website says 1431, but it shouldn't be a big deal to try both.

I'm not currenlty at home, so I can't try it right now.

craash,

is that the diamond button or the two arrow buttons?

Originally posted by kcjefff
craash,

is that the diamond button or the two arrow buttons?

Two Arrow Buttons.

Originally posted by kcjefff
Pappy97, just so you know, this menu does not affect the DVI output, I tried it and then switched to the service menu on my TV to see what format it was receiving(nice feature on my TV) and it still showed 480p during the practice, which means it was still receiving the 720p and downconverting it. So, I still have to switch to component.

Jeff,

It will work. I assume Pappy found my post. I'll give you my original post:

Just sharing some good info.

When I initially hooked up a DVI cable from the Pionneer STB to my HDTV, it would only output in 480p. The Pioneer STB senses the DVI connection and takes away the menu where you can choose high definition (720/1080). Now, this makes no sense, what's the point of DVI in 480p?

Finally, after a month and a half of working with Time Warner, a manager there found a secret menu for me. To get HD out of the DVI output you have to follow these steps, in order!

1. Hookup a component cable to the TV and STB.
2. Do NOT hookup the DVI cable yet.
3. On the front of the Pioneer STB, hold in the button with the diamond shape icon, tap the (-)volume button once.
4. A menu will pop up on the bottom of the screen, with 720 and 1080. Pick one.
5. Now, attach the DVI cable.
6. Unattach the component cable.
7. You will not be able to get back into the hidden menu, unless you go through the steps again.
8. The signal will now pass directly through to the TV in the resolution it was sent in.

Regards,
Toby aka PolkThug

I have had to redo the above procedure once, when the STB seemed to reset itself. Timing is important.

Good Luck,

PolkThug

PolkThug,

Thanks for the info, but what we are trying to do is get the 3510 to convert 720p to 1080i before sending it over the DVI connection, the same way it will for the component outs. My TV does a bad job of handling 720p, so the picture looks much better if I have the STB convert the signal to 1080i before passing it to my set.

1408 shows up as a subscription channel when I do the hack.

No sneak previews I guess.

I also got 1408 to show up as a subscription channel, strange, though craash said to use the two arrow keys and I only got it to work with the diamond key.

Did you try 1431?

I tried 1431 and it didn't work. I don't remember exactly what happenned but I think it was the same thing as when you enter an incorrect channel (the ???? on the channel selection).

I only tried once, so I may have screwed it up.

I have noticed that a lot of people that have the Pioneer 3510HD from Time Warner have been trying to get the DVI connection to work for them. I know as a general rule DVI is suppose to be the best connection, taking into account your model of TV, Cable Box, and other variables. What has been the experience of those of you that have gone from component to DVI? Did it make that much difference? I'm trying to determine if it is worth the money for the DVI cable. I currently have been using the component out and can't imagine having a better picture. The HD channels look great and the SD digital channels aren't bad either. The SD analog could be better like ESPN SD for example, but analog is analog I guess. Once you start watching things in HD you get spoiled and have a hard time going back to SD. I will be glad when TWC gets ESPN HD and eventually goes all digital, that should help.

Go back several pages i this thread. there was a multiple post discussion on DVI and the results from using it.

Is Channel 62's digital channel even operating? WB is offering HD content but it seems the digital channel is off the air more than it is on the air.

????...They are on the air with a SD (480i) signal 24/7. They do not go off the air.

According to their Chief Engineer, they will be HD by this fall, maybe sooner if things go well.

what process exactly do you have to do to get channel 38 thru twc? I tried what crash put on the website (for the 3510) and it did not work.

Josh

WB 62's PSIP info is still not compatible with all HD receivers. I cannot pickup their signal ever.

I did the "select" "<>" deal for channel 1408 and also got the subscription only screen. The interesting thing is that the logo it shows is the NBC logo. The logo that shows for the new KSHB HD channel on 1441 is IND. I guess they still have some things to work out.

I tried 1431, it does not work and the 1408 says subscription required. Josh, the exact process is hold the diamond, then press and hold the select key until you see diag appear and then go away on the LED. Once it goes away you can release and use the cable box to enter 1408. Interesting note to those that have tried it: I have found that I no longer have to do that process to get to 1408, I just have to manually enter the numbers and it pops right up. That will come in handy if they ever let us see it or any other channel they preview like this.

Craash, be sure to keep us posted on any hidden channels you hear about so we can all enjoy.

Just read my post, I meant use the remote to enter 1408 after diag goes away, sorry.

Kansas City HDTV news from the Kansas City Star. http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/entertainment/7755070.htm

I am getting sick and tired of FOX (WDAF) Digital on Time Warner Cable.

For several weeks now, I have been getting severe pixelation on it and constant audio drop outs. WHAT GIVES???

Anyone else experiencing this problem on Time Warner Cable like me?

I wanted to show my wife one of her favorite shows, Malcolm in the Middle, in FOX Widescreen, tonight, but I guess it ain't happening.

Is this a problem with Time Warner or with WDAF (FOX)? I use a Dell 3200MP projector and I KNOW it's not the projector. I even tried to set the Pioneer HD Box to output 480p in addition to 720p and 1080i, but WDAF(FOX) on TWC seems to be upconverted to 1080i, according to my PJ.

Can someone explain what is up with WDAF (FOX) Digital on TWC?

Pappy, I have the pioneer box and I use the DVI output. I have no problems with getting fox widescreen on 480p. I can't stand to watch it though, since it is so jittery.

Regarding Fox's widescreen - You ain't missing a thing! The image is still a crappy 480p that has been compressed via MPEG2. By the time you account for all the compression/decompression artifacts, the picture is still crappy - it's just widescreen crappy!

If you want to impress your wife, stick with ABC and NBC. Even then, if your wife is like mine, she'll reply "Yeah, that's great - now can you help with the laundry?"

For direction and distance to the digital Over the Air television towers this web site will let you know which way to point your antenna. http://www.2150.com/broadcast/default.asp

has anyone noticed how much this thread has slowed down since the big three went HD in KC? Just an observation.

Yes, HDTV is getting better in Kansas City. Now if would could just convince WDAF-FOX4 to turn up the power and go HDTV along with getting KSMO to throw the WB62 HDTV switch the loyal HDTV viewers in Kansas City will have a first class digital HDTV city.

I don't think it's been stated on here, but on a happy note, I noticed tonight that KCTV is now passing 5.1 sound, at least through TWC!! Just in time for the Super Bowl!!!!!!

Yeah, progress is being made. The WB in HD would be a good thing. My guess (and hope) is that WDAF will crank up the power once the Fox network offers true HD programming. I think I'm in the minority here, but I think the 480p looks pretty good, for the most part. Certainly better than the analog signal.

If only we could get the cable operators to increase their HD offerings. I know Time Warner probably has the most available of anyone in the area, but it sure would be nice to get ESPN-HD, HD-Net.

What ever happened with the guy that was considering Voom? Has anyone in KC signed up? If so, please dish (sorry, that was bad) on the details...

For D*TV folks - there are rumors around the Internet that Dave has been moving satellites around and re-locating programming to make room for additional HD content...I hope there is going to be some good stuff in there not just an HD Food Network!

On the local cable front: did anyone see today's Barnhart column in the KC Star on Time Warner's decison to do away with Movie Plex (attached below)? More rumors that this is to make way for more HD content...

Start of Article:
Perplexed about Movie Plex?

I'm a Time Warner Cable customer. I know you have digital cable but I don't. I have the older, cheaper version. And they're dropping channels left and right. They've dropped this Channel 78, Movie Plex, and then they took away the channel guide, which was really a useful thing. Now we have two weather channels. Why don't you talk about that as opposed to why you should go out and buy an HDTV set and show you're working more for the people? -- Gregg Harries, KCK

Hey, I've taken my swipes at the New England-based "local" forecasters on Metro Weather, which bumped the TV Guide Channel off basic cable. But it's hardly a Weather Channel clone. And I can remember when we had just one news channel and "the people" were screaming for one that was more fair and balanced.

Your point about Movie Plex, however, is well taken. Several Time Warner customers complained to me last week after Channel 78 suddenly went blank. When they called customer service they were told that it had moved to Channel 270 -- on digital cable, which costs extra. About half of customers have digital cable; Time Warner was essentially telling those who didn't to upgrade or go without.

The company's spokesman, Carol Rothwell, gently deflected my take on the matter last week.

"We've been meaning to make our lineups on the Kansas and Missouri sides the same," she said. (Movie Plex is a leftover from the TeleCable days and wasn't part of the Missouri channel lineup.) Rothwell also said Time Warner wanted to "free up" space because "something new is coming."

Whatever it is, it had better come cheap. Time Warner's annual rate increase went into effect this month, with customer statements rising on average by 5 percent. Rothwell said that the company's programming costs -- what it pays to ESPN, A&E and the others -- rose by 21 percent, but it was able to scale back operations elsewhere to keep rates down.

Originally posted by jeffdbs
Yes, HDTV is getting better in Kansas City. Now if would could just convince WDAF-FOX4 to turn up the power and go HDTV along with getting KSMO to throw the WB62 HDTV switch the loyal HDTV viewers in Kansas City will have a first class digital HDTV city.


Maybe we should call the Fox4 Problem Solvers!

I was under the impression that WDAF (FOX4) was only passing 480i (4:3) and not 480p (16:9) ... or am I wrong? Everyone here is talking about WDAF as 480p widescreen. Not that I can pick up a signal in Olathe, so I am just more curious than anything. Is the local FOX affiliate sending interlaced 4:3 or progressive 16:9?? Thanks. Also, is the WB-47DT sending a low power signal like FOX? I can never pick it up either!

Eyedox

You should be able to pick up WB-47DT in Olathe. I can get it down in Paola. I believe that they are only 480i. It still looks better than the analog signal that I get from cable and the over-compressed signal from Dish. Concerning WDAF, if nobody can get it does it really exist.

Ironically, WDAF has, by far, the best analog signal in town, at least where I am. I'm sure it looks pretty much as good (except for the aspect ratio) as the 480p widescreen digital, at least on my TV at my house. Therefore, I'm content, at least until they go 720p. I just hope that, when they DO go HD, they increase their power so that we can actually SEE it over the air! (Did I say "at least" enough times in one paragraph?)

Brad

When I was with Time Warner and had the Fox digital, I never thought it looked very good - usually ended up watching the SD. Maybe it was just TW?

Now that I have moved across town and have Comcast, I think I'm more disappointed. Do get ESPN-HD, but they don't show much HD, lost Discovery HD and I have to pay an extra $5 for the HD. I really not impressed, and there are lots of channels included on TW's digital that are not included with Comcast. I didn't want to buy an HD Tuner before the HD Tivo was available, but Direct is looking better all the time.

I know that when I receive WDAF over TWC, using the DVI port(doesn't up or down convert) My TV tells me I am getting 480p(service menu on Sony's). Also, I would assume since you do get the widescreen aspect ratio, that it must be 480p, because I just don't see any company buying equipment that can do widescreen 480i, but not p. (maybe I am giving execs a little too much credit, though)

Side Note: Can anyone verify that KCTV is in fact doing 5.1 sound now? I would be very excited to find that out as I would have to watch every rerun just so I can watch it in 5.1.

I called Voom about their deal they are advertising right now and it goes a little something like this:
They have 21 HD channels (11 are interest specific ie. art,fashion,etc.), (10 are HD Cinema ie.Movies that are 2001 and older)
They also offer HBO, Showtime, STARZ, etc pack which include the HD channels also. For 39.99 you get those 21 HD channels + 1 special pack (ie.HBO). You also get 37 SD channels (according to the rep "The channels that most people want" including the new NFL and Fuel channels. You get an 18" dish as well as an antenna for local over the air SD and HD. You get a 2yr in home service warranty and a MPEG 4 HD tuner/receiver. Now the Kicker, at least I think, the cost of the equipment is $749.99! You do get professional installation with that though. So take this for what it is worth, and hopefully this will provide everyone that is curious about VOOM with enough info.

I thought I read here or somewhere else that the VOOM package wasn't nearly as good as it's touted. It features lots of up-resed stations. So I have read or heard.

KCTV5 is definitely broadcasting certain content (specials and Prime Time shows) in DD5.1. I have experienced it first hand.

Got my Sony KDF-70XBR950 a couple of days ago. So far, I can receive all local digital other than WDAF. I am unable to receive KMBC 9.1 and KCWE 29.1 in the AM... Do they broadcast in the AM?

KSMO 62.1 comes in weak (low signal strength indication, and macroblocking with audio dropout), so I may have to get the ladder back out and try to re-aim the antenna for better results.

I have called a couple of times to try to get the 26.95 a month price for one year for roadrunner. I remember in earlier posts that some of you have called and got it. How did you get the price? I called and talked to customer service and they said that they could not give RR at that price.

Josh

When should I look for a high definition broadcast on KMBC 9? I'd really like to see how the 720p looks.

HDTV daily programming schedule. http://www.hdtvgalaxy.com/broad.html

I live in mid-town and can pick up WDAF-DT over the air. It really is 480P and 16x9 widescreen when Fox airs a widescreen program.

This has been bugging me for some time. The audio on the Tonight Show is ahead of the picture on the over the air 1080i broadcast on KSHB-DT. It seems to be somewhat better lately but still noticeably ahead. I don't see this problem on any other NBC HDTV show, just The Tonight Show.

Anyone else notice this?

Originally posted by KC-Technerd
Got my Sony KDF-70XBR950 a couple of days ago. So far, I can receive all local digital other than WDAF. I am unable to receive KMBC 9.1 and KCWE 29.1 in the AM... Do they broadcast in the AM?



They don't turn on the digital channels until noon.

This has been bugging me for some time. The audio on the Tonight Show is ahead of the picture on the over the air 1080i broadcast on WDAF-DT. It seems to be somewhat better lately but still noticeably ahead. I don't see this problem on any other NBC HDTV show, just The Tonight Show.

Anyone else notice this?

I've not noticed this so far. I suspect you mean KSHB-DT Channel 41.1. (I still forget WDAF is FOX now too.)

I'll pay closer attention tonight.

*D* is going to start broadcasting Fox ED in O&O markets soon. This means all *D* subscribers in KC will be able to get Fox. Anyone know if *E* has plans to do this too?

1) I just saw that UPN affiliate here has THE CELL movie on in HD tonight. Pretty cool, but I doubt it will be in DD 5.1
2) I wonder also if KMCI 36 will start finding syndicated HD content too since they have their HD equipment installed and ready to go.
3) Does anyone know what power wattage output the FOX affiliate -AND- the WB affiliate are producing currently here in KC? I am curious.

Yeah, I meant KSHB-DT. I had WDAF on the brain from my previous post for Eyedox.

Eyedox - KSMO-DT 47 is pretty low power. I can pick them up in midtown, but they don't broadcast any HDTV.

Hi guys, new to this forum.
I did a search, but couldn't find out what STB Comcast is using for their digital HD signal in this area. I have DTV now but no HD Rec. Can't see spending the $$$$ for it when I have been hearing of so many Sat HD reception issues. And for 5.00 a month can you go wrong?

I have awesome reception with DTV up here in the Northland. And I like my Sony Sat HD200. So don't give up on Directv just yet.......

Originally posted by Eyedox
3) Does anyone know what power wattage output the FOX affiliate -AND- the WB affiliate are producing currently here in KC? I am curious.

WDAF-DT 34 is belting out 1.1 kW erp (effective radiated power), while KSMO-DT 47 is, relatively speaking, burning up the airwaves with 9.0 kW erp! I get a good, stable signal in western Shawnee on 47, but never get a sniff of 34.

Brad

Yes KSMO DT-47 (WB62) is full-power at 480i-480p conversion. It is a real letdown that KSMO DT-47 spends all that money on electricity to broadcast a low quality digital picture while other loyal HDTV viewers in in other cities get to see WB HDTV in all its glory. WDAF DT-34 (FOX4) is another letdown with a low-power broadcast output. I hear that WDAF is using a small digital stick on top of their building. Low height position of a digital stick maybe a reason WDAF (DT-34) signal doesn't show up on most of our HDTV screens. Hopefully a broadcast engineer is reading our post and can shed some light on some of the question that show up in our Kansas City HDTV thread. Please all Kansas City HDTV viewers keep those e-mails and telephone calls going to KSMO (WB62) and WDAF (FOX4). I am looking forward to having WB HDTV and FOX wide screen (FOX HDTV coming this fall) show up on our HDTV'S. :)

From the FCC filing database:

WDAF-DT 34 (FOX4) is operating on a STA (Special Temporary Authority) at 1.1 kW. They have to renew this with the FCC every six months. Their antenna height above average terrain in this area is only 226 feet.

KSMO-DT 47 (WB62) is operating on a STA (Special Temporary Authority) at 9 kW. They have to renew this with the FCC every six months. Their antenna height above average terrain in this area is 1,168 feet.

If WDAF could just get their antenna higher, that would help most of us out.

Even though KSMO is only at 9 kW, I receive their signal just fine in Olathe (sorry EyeDox) because their antenna is mounted almost at the top of their tower.

Anybody else have "scratchy" sound on KCTV5 today? Hope they get this fixed before Sunday!!

Scratchy sound on KCTV-DT 5 today too. Not so bad on the Ronco ad on now, but was worse on network programming. Perhaps they will go to DD 5.1 during the game, and hopefully will eliminate the problem.

Dougbenn,

Comcast is currently using the Motorola 5100 series STB. Not too bad on HD content, fairly good on Digital Content, for SD, use your TV to tune it in. Much better picture that way, and no, for 5 dollars, you cant beat it. If it stops working, trade it in. If they get new ones, trade it in. Only one catch, you do have to subscribe to their Digital Tier cable to get access to HD content, and I think that is about 15 a month also on top of the 5 for the 5100 and 9 channels (2 of which are showtime and HBO)

Hope that helps

Brad

I'm now getting 5.1 Dolby Digital on ABC Channel 9. Didn't see that posted before, but now we've got our ABC and CBS affiliates passing DD 5.1. When can we expect NBC to join in?

Is KCWE-DT 29.1 passing any HD from UPN yet? I'm hoping to see Enterprise in HD but the repeat today was only in SD.

UPN has been passing HD on Jake 2.0 and Enterprise since last fall sometime (here locally). In fact, they had THE CELL movie on in HD the other night.

Well, I know what I'm going to be watching Wednesday night....

I really enjoy the level of detail put into the sets and makeup on the HDTV broadcasts of "Enterprise". Dr. Phlox's eyeballs have scalloped pupils shaped like flowers! I never saw that on NTSC.

Anybody else have "scratchy" sound on KCTV5 today? Hope they get this fixed before Sunday!!

Ok, the sound appears to be fixed,

BUT...

I am now getting frequent picture breakup, like a small glitch every 45 seconds or so. Anyone else?

My signal strength is the same it has always been, close to full strength.

GRRRRR...

Sounds like the sound on KCTV 5 is fixed, at least on the network feeds. I noticed last night on "The District" last night, that CBS is now feeding 2.0 sound through DD 5.1.

The problem I have with this is that in this format, it's impossible to use Pro-Logic II. That leaves all the sound including voices locked on the left and right speakers, and the center speaker and the surrounds are dead as well as the subwoofer.

I hope CBS figures out how to properly encode sound soon. Dolby Digital really gives some great options.

2.0 Stereo would tell the receiver to pass the signal in stereo, but still gives the end user the option of applying pro-logic or other processing.

2.0 Surround tells the receiver to go to pro-logic processing, but still allows flexibility to the end user. This is the way any show or movie with Dolby Stereo, or other 2 channel surround processing should be encoded.

5.1 Sends 6 discreet channels of information. When used with a 2 channel original this sends 4 channels of dead information (center, L and R surround, and subwoofer). It leaves no flexibility to the user. Sound is ONLY available on the L and R front speakers when encoded from 2 channel material.

This reminds me of the early days of stereo TVs when many local stations had stereo simulation that automatically kicked in whenever the processor thought the sound went mono. If you had a surround sound processor, anytime the music stopped and it was voice only on a stereo program, the voice of the person on screen suddenly went being on screen to totally surrounding you.

hdtimmy

Notice that the glitch is only in the 4x3 picture area, and that the blue sides are stable. I believe that the problem is in upconversion from 480 to 1080 at the network. I believe when we go to true 1080 for the Superbowl (no network upconversion) later that the problem will disappear. I believe that usually CBS broadcasts standard definition and KCTV does the upconversion (as they always broadcast 1080i on the digital channel). Today with the blue sides it appears CBS is doing the upconversion.

I think I just confirmed this. I'm not seeing any glitches during network commercials. Blue sides disappear, which would indicate that CBS is broadcasting those in standard def.

I am also getting some breakup of the 1080i picture on DT-24( KCTV5). Hopefully KCTV5 has it's broadcast engineering team ready to solve any local digital 1080i broadcasting problems during the Super Bowl. So many HDTV'S were purchased recently just to see this game in 1080i. Today is KCTV5 day to shine in digital broadcasting. :)

Breakups also happening on my reception of KCTV's digital broadcast on the pregame show. I'm showing 100% strength.

I just called KCTV5. I was told I was the first caller on this problem. Let's hope the breakups are fixed by game time.

Everyone, if you're like me and this glitch is bugging the heck out of you and you have guests coming over soon please call KCTV5.

I called 913-677-7213 and asked to speak with someone in engineering. They are "looking into it."

They will "look into it" faster the more calls they get!! :D

Ok. I was wrong. I'm seeing the breakups on straight 1080i on KCTV. Not as noticable as on the 4x3 stuff but they are there. I also hope they are fixed by game time.

Originally posted by KC-Technerd
Ok. I was wrong. I'm seeing the breakups on straight 1080i on KCTV. Not as noticable as on the 4x3 stuff but they are there. I also hope they are fixed by game time.

No problem. Glad to have you on our KC HDTV forum.

Thanks Brad,

Am looking forward to making the switch later this spring. I currently have a short time commitment left with DTV.:(

Thanks again, Doug

Originally posted by KC-Technerd
Sounds like the sound on KCTV 5 is fixed, at least on the network feeds. I noticed last night on "The District" last night, that CBS is now feeding 2.0 sound through DD 5.1.

The problem I have with this is that in this format, it's impossible to use Pro-Logic II. That leaves all the sound including voices locked on the left and right speakers, and the center speaker and the surrounds are dead as well as the subwoofer.



I take the analog audio L/R signal from my tuner into my Dolby Pro Logic decoder. That works for now.

I take the analog audio L/R signal from my tuner into my Dolby Pro Logic decoder. That works for now.

Yeah, that does work, but I've got the optical digital out from the TV connected to the receiver. Having a digital amplifier, I prefer to feed it with a digital source.

Good job KCTV and CBS!! The entire production was excellent. Thanks KCTV for listening to us and fixing the early afternoon glitches.

Watching the Superbowl on my 70" Sony was breathtaking. Its the first sporting event I've watched on the TV or on any HDTV. Being able to see the entire spectrum of colors and seeing all the details of that GIANT stadium in Houston was fascinating. Thats not mentioning it was a great game too. The Dolby 5.1 sound was great too. I could hear the stadium announcer's voice emenating from above, and the cheerleaders off to the right.

I did experience occasional dropouts but most were unobtrusive. I did just about freak when the screen went to green digital garbage once, but that was quickly corrected. I also saw more than I expecting during the half-time show, but that's another story.

Thanks KCTV5 for great 5.1 audio and a beautiful 1080i picture!:D

EVEREST HDTV in LENEXA?

Hello all,

Question:

1.) I am installing a Sanyo PLV-Z2 HDTV ready projector for a client using Everest cable. Does Everest currently offer HDTV receivers?

2.)And if so, what connections does it support?

I did a search here and read that a SA brand model would be used starting in Nov. 03. Any help you could lend would be great.

I spoke with Olathe's Comcast and sat with one of the managers. I was told that Comcast does not support the DVI connection on their models.

Time Warner said the older models use DVI... the newer models do not have the DVI activated. And no way to tell which ones are activated or not just by looking at them.

Final question...

3.) In our theater I use both a analog RPTV and a HDTV ready FPTV. If I upgrade my current Comcast Digital Cable receiver to the Comcast Motorola HDTV receiver can I use the Component output to the FPTV for HD and the S-Video output to the analog RPTV for a digital cable signal from the same STB?

Good God! The 5.1 audio on CBS Super Bowl was worse than awful. The announcers were almost inaudible and the commercials were 3x louder than the program. It was rediculously distracting. It was great to see Janet Jackson's breast in High Definition though. Haha. The game itself was a real nail-biter. Just fix the audio before the Grammy's next week, CBS!!!

Darren,

Everest is using the SA 3250HD box. I am assuming that DVI works on the box but do not know for sure. Time Warner does support DVI on their Pioneer 3510HD box--however there is a known issue with the box with Sammy DLPs. Pioneer has a firmware upgrade to the box that is being applied in some markets--read here for more info--http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3297542#post3297542