The solution is to use a custom aspect ratio in your player application. I have defined 1920x1200 to be 16:9 in TT and it works perfectly.

Owen, I don't follow. My HTPC has Radeon 9600XT hooked thru DVI to Sony VPLHS20 PJ. This PJ is 1368x768 native and I use Powerstrip to generate a custom timing of 1368x768 @ 56Hz......the key being 56Hz. I have TT 2.3 and FFDShow (20040801a-SSE2-Preview) running. I primarily run ripped DVDs on HDDs via TT from XLobby front end. While the DVD image is full screen, the only way to get the black bars off is to go into TT AR editor and stretch these off screen and save the ARs. Yup, I know others will freak that I'm messing with the origional "pure" geometries of the film but I prefer pull image on my 110" screen rather than 100% true aspect with black bars.

Anyway, my question is it appears from your comment above you are filling the screen (ie. no black bars) with some setting in TT ? I'm lost cna you guide me.

Thanks.

UPDATE: Well, it took me 4 freaking days but I read the 142 pages of this thread. I took notes, etc. and feel like I have a decent handle on this now but I'm worried that my mind is mush, my eyesight ruined so even if I get the UTOPIA FFDshow setting I'm too fried to enjoy it. :)

Yup, I'm Freaking.

The other way to do this HORRIBLE THING is to Zoom in, cropping the sides off the 2.35:1 move until it fills the 16:9 frame. This is still bad, but a BAZILLION times better than stretching the height. Dunno about TT, but Zoomplayer will do this easily.

56hz?? That's nuts, why would Sony make a PJ with a native 56hz refresh rate - it will judder with EVERYTHING.

thekochs,

Why not use powerstrip and reclock to custom make a 47.952 refresh rate ?
Then set reclock to 23.976 fps.
This will fix your judder.

Here's something I wrote about it;

Reclock is useful with Powerstrip.
You see the picture;

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/1565/reclockvy1.jpg

The refresh rate that I outlined should be some multiple of 23.976.
Set reclock to 23.976 FPS and adjust Powerstrip to adjust the refresh rate, in the outlined box, to a multiple of 23.976.
This eliminates judder and results in perfect lipsynch.
Here's some FAQ on Powerstrip.
Link (http://www.entechtaiwan.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21)
Link 2 (http://www.entechtaiwan.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18)

The outlined audio correction is how far out of sync the audio is from the video.

His projector is fixed at 56hz. It doesn't matter what he sets the PC to, the projector will still do 56hz.

His projector is fixed at 56hz. It doesn't matter what he sets the PC to, the projector will still do 56hz.

Yup, I use PS for a custom driver to achieve 56Hz....which Sony VPLHS20 requires for 1368x768 support. It does support lower rezs in standard refreshes but I want to use the full screen native mode.

No problems....believe it or not....see post reply below.

thekochs,

Why not use powerstrip and reclock to custom make a 47.952 refresh rate ?
Then set reclock to 23.976 fps.
This will fix your judder.

Here's something I wrote about it;

Reclock is useful with Powerstrip.
You see the picture;

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/1565/reclockvy1.jpg

The refresh rate that I outlined should be some multiple of 23.976.
Set reclock to 23.976 FPS and adjust Powerstrip to adjust the refresh rate, in the outlined box, to a multiple of 23.976.
This eliminates judder and results in perfect lipsynch.
Here's some FAQ on Powerstrip.
Link (http://www.entechtaiwan.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21)
Link 2 (http://www.entechtaiwan.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18)

The outlined audio correction is how far out of sync the audio is from the video.


I've been doing alot of reading on Reclock...I use PS now for custom 56Hz 1368x768 driver for my Sony VPLHS20 PJ. 56HZ is required ! At this rez/timing I do not have Judder or Stutter or lip sync issue with TT alone....with FFDShow I have some Judder....no Stutter....no lip sync issue. I also figured I'd have a problem but maybe since I'm outputing SP_DIF to external decode and use highend Audigy card ?

Anyway, in case I have to go down this road and 56Hz is a must....using PS...how do you suggest setting Reclock for this odd timing ?

I've been doing alot of reading on Reclock...I use PS now for custom 56Hz 1368x768 driver for my Sony VPLHS20 PJ. 56HZ is required ! At this rez/timing I do not have Judder or Stutter or lip sync issue with TT alone....with FFDShow I have some Judder....no Stutter....no lip sync issue. I also figured I'd have a problem but maybe since I'm outputing SP_DIF to external decode and use highend Audigy card ?

Anyway, in case I have to go down this road and 56Hz is a must....using PS...how do you suggest setting Reclock for this odd timing ?

I don't know how to set powerstrip up.
Maybe Mark_A_W will help you, he's a mod at the reclock forum and a member here.

Yup, I'm Freaking.

The other way to do this HORRIBLE THING is to Zoom in, cropping the sides off the 2.35:1 move until it fills the 16:9 frame. This is still bad, but a BAZILLION times better than stretching the height. Dunno about TT, but Zoomplayer will do this easily.

I know...I know....I've been scolded before for even mentioning this. However, to me I bought a 110" screen and I want the thing filled....I hate those black bars. I know the technical reasons for them...but for my personal tastes it makes the movie far less enjoyable having to have those black bars than any degrading I do to the picture. My PJ is 1368x768 native and the reason I'm using FFDShow is mainly resize function with some denoise to go from 720x480 to 1440x960. My ATI 9600XT scales down the expanded/filtered 1440x960 image to 1368x768 and with my FFDSShow settings is looks stunning.

Anyway, TT does not have a "Crop" function but in its AR Editor it allows you to stretch out the picture to move the black bars off-screen and effectively make the viewable movie full screen. You can set this to each AR 16:9, 2.35:1, 4:#, etc. so you only expand the % you need by movie format type. I'd say the % is about 15% total stretch. I do seem some degrade but not alot. Also, per your comment I looked in 20040801a-SSE2-Preview build and there is a "filter" called Crop. I've not played with it but appears to "crop" off vertical and horizontal sections of image. I assume this would work but my concern is that one setting does not apply to all ARs ? However, based on your comment do you think FFDShow crop would be better than TT stretch ? Also, would Crop go after Resize ?

Thanks.

P.S. I know I'm not alone.....I'll bet ya there are many folks wanting full screen movie image.

However, to me I bought a 110" screen and I want the thing filled....I hate those black bars. I know the technical reasons for them...but for my personal tastes it makes the movie far less enjoyable having to have those black bars than any degrading I do to the picture.

No offense and nothing personal, but I think many of us find that appalling and offensive!!! :P

I know...I know....I've been scolded before for even mentioning this. However, to me I bought a 110" screen and I want the thing filled....I hate those black bars. I know the technical reasons for them...but for my personal tastes it makes the movie far less enjoyable having to have those black bars than any degrading I do to the picture. My PJ is 1368x768 native and the reason I'm using FFDShow is mainly resize function with some denoise to go from 720x480 to 1440x960. My ATI 9600XT scales down the expanded/filtered 1440x960 image to 1368x768 and with my FFDSShow settings is looks stunning.

Anyway, TT does not have a "Crop" function but in its AR Editor it allows you to stretch out the picture to move the black bars off-screen and effectively make the viewable movie full screen. You can set this to each AR 16:9, 2.35:1, 4:#, etc. so you only expand the % you need by movie format type. I'd say the % is about 15% total stretch. I do seem some degrade but not alot. Also, per your comment I looked in 20040801a-SSE2-Preview build and there is a "filter" called Crop. I've not played with it but appears to "crop" off vertical and horizontal sections of image. I assume this would work but my concern is that one setting does not apply to all ARs ? However, based on your comment do you think FFDShow crop would be better than TT stretch ? Also, would Crop go after Resize ?

Thanks.


I know EXACTLY how you feel and couldn't agree with you more! I have almost the same setup as you(110" screen native 1368x768 dlp pj*BenQ 8729* using FFDShow Zoom Player) and I absolutely hate the bars as well. The degradation in oicture by zooming vertically is not as bad as people make it out to be, especially with the proper resize and sharpness setting. I'd much rather deal with a slightly softer picture than to deal with those annoying black bars.

No offense and nothing personal, but I think many of us find that appalling and offensive!!! :P

Appalling and offensive in what way?

Appalling and offensive in what way?

What the previous poster said was that he simply stretches the image vertically to fill the screen, making EVERYTHING onscreen elongated. I find that appalling, again no offense and nothing personal!

I'd much rather deal with a slightly softer picture than to deal with those annoying black bars.I wouldn't go as far as saying it's offensive, but I agree with Bryan. I much prefer the black bars over zooming in. Picture quality matters most to me, and I think zooming degrades the picture a lot.

zooming degrades the picture a lot.

don't you think ceratin FFDshow and AVSynth sharpness filters balances out that degradation?

What the previous poster said was that he simply stretches the image vertically to fill the screen, making EVERYTHING onscreen elongated. I find that appalling, again no offense and nothing personal!

Oh.....I'm not taking it personal. ;) I figure it is like this 143+ page thread.....everyone has their opinion on what works better.....TheaterTek vs. Zoomplayer, FFDShow filters vs. DScalar, AMD vs. Intel, blah....blah....blah. To me the equation is very simple and I think everyone on the forum agrees......720x480 DVD native resolution just doesn't cut it especially the larger the screen you put the image on. For me my PJ is 1368x768 to a 110" screen. I love TheaterTek player/decoder (contains NVidia decoders) but the 110" screen has it's impacts to quality that TT could clearly use some help on. So, for me FFDShow has one primary use......bring this 720x480 to 1440x960 and filter & noise reduce the artifacts that my ATI card and/or PJ would induce on its own hardware scaling to 1368x768. FFDShow....mission accomplished !

Now for the personal taste item. I view my 110" screen with my DVR/PVR High Def Sat receiver FULL screen.....1080i....sweet. I even have XBox 360 running 1080i on this FULL screen....sweet. Now, when I and my family sit down for a movie I'm supposed to only see 75% or so of my screen filled because the motion picture industry can't agree over the years how to format for me ? No way man. Now, before you blast me....remember I'm using FFDShow to help/increase my image and quality but there is a point in my viewer experience (IMHO) that the FULL screen use experience out-weighs the small step-back in quality/degradation that stretching or cropping induces to give me that experience....after all it's maybe 15% ? I know, some will say "this is how the director, etc. intended you to see it". To that I say "bull$%&^"......the whole intent of FFDShow is to upscale an image from its native element (director's intent) to a format/quality/etc. level that's suited to the individuals HT environment. For those using this "purist" arguement.....you threw this out when you starting using FFDShow. :)

Anyway, I know alot of folks won't agree because by nature this is a high-end forum and I can appreciate your view of best quality over full screen merits....but I bet you there are more folks out there than you think thinking my way. Anyway....enough rambling.......SO if I am going to do this does anyone have opinion or experience on stretch vs. crop....the latter being FFDShow filter ?

Thanks !

Cropping is much better than stretching because you aren't affecting the AR. FFDSHOW will do this but I always found it temperamental. I used to use a FFDSHOW crop for letterbox movies but found it would sometimes revert back mid stream. For me the zoomplayer zoom works best but I only use it on letterbox movies.

Cropping is much better than stretching because you aren't affecting the AR. FFDSHOW will do this but I always found it temperamental. I used to use a FFDSHOW crop for letterbox movies but found it would sometimes revert back mid stream. For me the zoomplayer zoom works best but I only use it on letterbox movies.

That's what I was worried about. I think the FFDShow Crop would be better but my concern is that it appears its settings are the same for all content. I haven't tried so not for sure. The nice thing about the TT stretch is that the changes are tide to the AR flag. I guess in FFDShow I could play with the input conditions to change which preset is used and thus change my crop accordingly. Anyway, i'll have to play with it.....just was curious if others had tried and what they found.

That's what I was worried about. I think the FFDShow Crop would be better but my concern is that it appears its settings are the same for all content. I haven't tried so not for sure. The nice thing about the TT stretch is that the changes are tide to the AR flag. I guess in FFDShow I could play with the input conditions to change which preset is used and thus change my crop accordingly. Anyway, i'll have to play with it.....just was curious if others had tried and what they found.

Let us know how it goes. I too have some interest in this but am unsure how well it will look when stretched.

Actually, although as mentioned the best solution is dependent on person, my biggest concern for crop is the loss of immersion. At least in 4:3 DVDs you have some latitude by the production company for the picture to include key elements, simply subtracting part of the picture may mean loss in important detail.

What I think is a nice solution to get rid of the black bars is to enlarge the picture so a little bit of each side is cut off.
I don't know how to do this, but it would keet the aspect of the movie intact.
You'd only lose a little information on each side.

don't you think ceratin FFDshow and AVSynth sharpness filters balances out that degradation?Not for me. I'm already using ffdshow and avisynth to make the full picture look better.

The picture is big enough for me, even though I use a small screen by projection standards. Even being small, I think it's a little too big. I have an 85" wide screen. I use to have an 80", which in many ways I liked better. The smaller screen was a lot sharper and had a lot more punch. I have no desire to zoom in and make the picture bigger.

Not for me. I'm already using ffdshow and avisynth to make the full picture look better. The picture is big enough for me......

So, I guess this boils down to the age old "quality vs. quantity" arguement that shows itself in many areas of life. :)

Anyway, I will do some experimentation on stretch percentages and image quality degredation when I get a chance. I'm guessing though it will fall back into a certain percent is OK, then after that further FFDShow/DScalar/AVISynth tweeks are needed and the trade-offs associated with those across source material. Also, I'm sure no matter what I find it will be each person's viewpoint of "acceptability". Obviously, the bigger the screen the less % stretch is acceptable.

Thanks for the inputs.......if anyone has some tests and screen shots please post....I will do the same.

I didn't think about display size and seating distance. If someone has a normal size display and sits 2, 3, 4 times (or more) the screen width away from the screen, then I understand zooming to make the picture bigger. I would do the same thing. I sit 1.4 the screen width away from my screen, so the picture, even with black bars, is plenty big enough.

I'm having a strange issue with TheaterTek 2.4.1 and FFDShow (versions 2546 with SSE2 and the rev195 version posted in the Basic/Intermediate/Advanced FFDShow thread).

I cannot get DVD menus to work! I either get a static image or a blank screen. Menu highlights do not work. BUT if I disable AVISynth in FFDShow then it works fine. I'm using the avinsynth version from the thread I mentioned above. It doesn't matter what I have in the avisynth script - even if it is empty I still lose my menus.

And while I was playing around at 1280x720, when I switched to 1280x1024 my aspect ratios are all screwed up - instead of getting a 4:3 image filling the whole 1280x1024 screen, it becomes windowboxed in the middle, with borders on all 4 sides. This happens even if I disable ffdshow's Resize filter and with Resize aspect ratio disabled or manually set. Even with all filters (including AVISynth) disabled I get this problem now.

It doesn't occur in Zoomplayer, even when using NVIDIA's decoders.

Any ideas? This is driving me nuts - trying different versions of FFDShow doesn't work! I even deleted everything in TheaterTek's Data directory which deletes all the aspect ratio information.

I'm having a strange issue with TheaterTek 2.4.1 and FFDShow (versions 2546 with SSE2 and the rev195 version posted in the Basic/Intermediate/Advanced FFDShow thread).

I cannot get DVD menus to work! I either get a static image or a blank screen. Menu highlights do not work. BUT if I disable AVISynth in FFDShow then it works fine. I'm using the avinsynth version from the thread I mentioned above. It doesn't matter what I have in the avisynth script - even if it is empty I still lose my menus.

And while I was playing around at 1280x720, when I switched to 1280x1024 my aspect ratios are all screwed up - instead of getting a 4:3 image filling the whole 1280x1024 screen, it becomes windowboxed in the middle, with borders on all 4 sides. This happens even if I disable ffdshow's Resize filter and with Resize aspect ratio disabled or manually set. Even with all filters (including AVISynth) disabled I get this problem now.

It doesn't occur in Zoomplayer, even when using NVIDIA's decoders.

Any ideas? This is driving me nuts - trying different versions of FFDShow doesn't work! I even deleted everything in TheaterTek's Data directory which deletes all the aspect ratio information.

Hmmm......I assume you have No Aspect Ratio Change checked in Resize ? In TT Config you have Lock Aspect Ratio unchecked ?

As far as the black screen does this mean movie does not play ?.....get black screen on TT boot ? If so, it sound like colorspace issue. What is your order of filters and settings ?

Ah...I don't think I have the Lock Aspect Ratio unchecked. I forgot about that. I assumed having it on is best, but I should have looked at the Video/Audio setup guide in the TheaterTek forum more carefully. Thanks! :)

No AR Change is checked in Resize.

Movie plays fine, just DVD menus don't display properly. I have to blindly stumble through them. Maybe I need to disable DXVA in TheaterTek...

LimitedSharpen after Resize looks wonderful - jaggies do occur but not noticeable at 1.8x viewing distance. Also, and I'm hoping someone can verify this who has TheaterTek and Zoomplayer, the image looks better in Theatertek than in Zoomplayer. The image pops out more - likely a result of the VMR9 tweaks done by TheaterTek.

Ah...I don't think I have the Lock Aspect Ratio unchecked. I forgot about that. I assumed having it on is best, but I should have looked at the Video/Audio setup guide in the TheaterTek forum more carefully. Thanks! :) .

Yup, that is probably the windox box issue.


Movie plays fine, just DVD menus don't display properly. I have to blindly stumble through them. Maybe I need to disable DXVA in TheaterTek....

In 2.4 you must have DXVA unchecked.....TT used to just ignore it and go to software mode. I'm still on 2.3 because there is little feature benefit and so many complaints of 2.4 issue on TT Forum. I'm not sure if this has any effect on DVD menus though....I would doubt it.

....I've been leaning to using TheaterTek AR Editor Stretching. From this article (depends on 1.66:1, 1.85:1, 2.35:1) but the additional stretch percent I would be talking about is ~12%. (http://gregl.net/videophile/anamorphic.htm). With TT's AR stretching I have control of how much I wish to stretch for a given aspect ratio source.....so 4:3 it may be none......1.66:1 is some, 1.85:1 more, 2:35:1 most. The question is how much looks OK per AR ?.

Well,

I've done some playing and for my setup (1368x768 PJ to 110" screen) and a 5% stretch horizontally and 10% stretch vertically in TheaterTek AR Editor is the best setting. It gives me the video image full screen on 4:3....cuts off sides just a hair. For 1.66 it's almost full screen, 1.85 about 5% horizontal black bars, 2.35 about 9% horizontal black bars. I've looked at this with FFDShow On & Off and clearly with just TT (no FFDShow) I would agree this stretch would not be acceptable. However, with my FFDShow settings below there is no.....I mean zilch....change I can detect. I do notice if I try to push 1.85 or 2.35 further there is aliasing starting to appear. Now, it is important to note my FFDShow Resize is 1440x960 (2X) which then is scaled down by my ATI Gfx/PJ to 1368x768. I did try all this with FFDShow Resize set at 1360x768 and there was some further noise and aliasing induced....noticable at close and 15' viewing distance. Thus, another plug for those wanting to know if it matters to go above your native displays rez in resize.....to me answer is yes ! Also, based on 8:13's post/idea I did find it much more acceptable to stretch 5% offscreen horizontal and lose some "image/movie" info but keep the origional dimensions more in line. So, my H 5% and V 10% seem the best trade-off for that as well.

Blur & NR: Denoise3d L=1.0, C=2.0, T=5.0, Fast {checked}
Levels: Output Levels 16-235 {Adjusts Blacks} & YV12 output checked
AVISynth {Using BT601ToBT709 to change SD ot HD color matrix
Resize: 2X, Always On, No Aspect Ratio Change checked
Resize Settings: Lanczos (Parameter 2) with Luma sharpen only @ 0.50.

So, I could post alot of JPGs if folks want but I'm guessing this is something everyone will need to play with on their setup. I guess my guidance would be is that you CAN try a stretch/crop to increase the movie images coverage on the display/screen with little/no degradation to the points I talked about above, but I'd take it in small % steps to see where that threshold really is for you. For me I've found the trade-off point and I like using the player (TT) to handle since it also IDs the AR tags and can manage easier....not sure about Zoom or others but I would assume they have similiar controls.

Hope this helps.

Well, I just cannot get menus to work at all if I use AVISynth in TheaterTek. It just won't work!

I can get it to work in Zoomplayer, but only if I don't use the NVPP.

I wonder if it is driver related? I'm using the NVIDIA 92.91 drivers. What versions are you guys using?

I found an ugly workaround - FFDShow's Autoload Presets!

If FFDShow sees a framerate of >29 from the decoder, it disables AVISynth. If the framerate is less than 29, it enables it.

DVD menus seem to be always 29.97 frames per second (NTSC), so I get my menus back!

It seems LimitedSharpen can't deal with static images - it either gives me a blank screen, a ghost image of the menu plus a frame from the video segment I was watching, or - and this is the strangest - it plays a scene from the movie I just exited in slow motion!

I don't know why you guys don't see the same thing. Maybe you guys don't use DVD menus when using AVISynth with FFDShow?

BTW, I also had to uninstall the rev 195 version of FFDShow in the basic/int/advanced thread - it crashed when I try to use presets! So now I'm using the 2546 SSE2 version.

Maxleung, he's the man who's name you'd love to touch! But you mustn't touch! His name sounds good in your ear, but when you say it, you mustn't fear! 'Cause his name can be said by anyone!

I always think that when I see your name. Wish I could help with your issues, but I don't have TT.

Actually, it happens in Zoomplayer too - it just recovers better. :)

Hmm, is that a song you're quoting?

I don't have thatexact issue, but I run ATI. What I get occasionally is the screen will go black after playback and I have to stop and restart the player to get the menu back, but it doesn't happen the first time the menu comes up only on multisession DVDs (like Futurama). It started happening when I installed up to 5008, definitely a DScaler issue for me. Perhaps I should pay closer attention, now that you mention it.

That's Homer's Max Power song.

Max: I get something similar when queue output samples in ffdshow is enabled.

My version of FFDShow (2546-SSE2) doesn't seem to have that option. I think the other version from that thread had it, but it was never checked if I remember that correctly.

I don't know why you guys don't see the same thing. Maybe you guys don't use DVD menus when using AVISynth with FFDShow?

BTW, I also had to uninstall the rev 195 version of FFDShow in the basic/int/advanced thread - it crashed when I try to use presets! So now I'm using the 2546 SSE2 version.

First, be careful with Presets....they don't port from one FFDShow version to the other....they only work within the version you set them up in.

For me....no DVD menus.....I take them out when I backup/DVDShrink the movie to HDD. I also only use AVISynth for the SD to HD color matrix conversion. Also, for what it is worth.....there is 30fps DVD video for the movie intro before it drops to the movie NTSC film frame rate of 23.967fps. Do you get the same problem during the video movie intro at 30fps or only at the static image on the menus ?

I'm pretty sure it is only on static images. A great example is with Digital Video Essentials - none of the static display patterns will work when AVISynth is enabled - although it is possible that they can work with AVISynth, just not with LimitedSharpenFaster.

Thanks for the warning too - I also recall people having trouble with importing other (general) FFDShow settings from different versions too.

I just confirmed that enabling AVISynth works fine for me with 29.97 video. It only has trouble with static images - which makes it impossible for me to evaluate AVISynth scripts against AVIA or DVE pattern, and of course I can't use DVD menus.

Unless I use autoloaded presets to disable AVISynth. :)

I use the getgray dvd to test with patterns.
The misc, belle-nuit general test is nice to test deinterlacing.
But you need to see a movie to test deinterlacing as well as using this test.
Other patterns can be used to test as well.

www.calibrate.tv

I have the Getgray patterns too. I like using DVE because I already made reference screencaps for them a while ago - so it is easy for me to do color accuracy tests. :)

I'll integrate GetGray into my testing soon enough however.

Hey, I did notice something. I reset DScaler5008 to default values and the menu screen displayed properly. I went in and manually set color space to YV12 and went back to having the same issue. Is Dscaler5009 out yet?

I apologies if this is a stupid question.
Is FFDShow the same as NVIDIA® PureVideo™. If yes or no what are the differences?

Newbie to this HTPC think.
Thank you

I apologies if this is a stupid question.
Is FFDShow the same as NVIDIA® PureVideo™. If yes or no what are the differences?

Newbie to this HTPC think.
Thank you

No question is a dumb one but reading page 1 of this thread helps. ;)

Anyway, DVD decoders (eg. PureVideo for NVidia {used by TheaterTek}, Zoomplayer) allow for post processing software to be used. FFDShow is this software....so NO it is not the same as PureVideo. The DVD decoder software is great for decoding and displaying the native 720x480 DVD image but this really is tailored for smaller screens.....like PCs, notebooks, etc. While these "players" decoders are much better than the run of the mill ones....which there are many.....going from say a 15" screen to a 32", 42" or even 100"+....from projector will make any 720x480 image look not so good. The reality is either the display hardware and/or your graphics card does the expansion from 720x480 to your screens resolution....say 1280x720. There are many hardware techniques but simple line doubling with some backend cleanup (antialiasing) is used alot. Anyway, FFDShow is a software package that is basically a video resizer with various filters that allows you to customize/tweek the 720x480 output of the DVD decoder/player software to a native or greater resolution of your display and clean/adjust/etc the image on the fly. It does this via many user configurable settings options/filters you can apply....internally this is done thru very complex math algorithms. Thus, while running a simple DVD decoder player on say a Pentium P4 3.0Ghz machine would take say 10% of the CPU....adding FFDShow with resize and baseline filters can easily put you at 70% with spikes to 100%. So, the trick and basic discussion of this very long thread is 1) the how-tos of install, setup and nuances to get to work with your graphics hardware and player. 2) tweeks that look good on your screen without killing your PC. Note, as I always reference Owen who is considered one of the FFDShow tweeker experts....."less is more". In other works more FFDShow is not necessarily better. There are many.....many....many...pages of this thread dedicated to discussion amoung members on what that happy median is. :)

So, I'd suggest to read the first 30 pages of this forum....read the various setup guides....then the last 20 or so pages....take notes on people that have similiar setups as you.....THEN.....get the version/release of FFDShow you wish to install and go from there. Keep in mind unlike most software later revisions of FFDShow are not always better....it really depends on what features/filters you want to use and which revision offers the best for those.

Lastly, trust me, don't play with FFDShow until you understand the concepts...this recommendation will save you time in long run and less heartache.

Good luck....and welcome !

Question

On my system if I use resize x2 on PAL my video adjustments in TTek are disabled. I am using old driver 77.72 nVidia on a 6600GT.

Currently I manually set resize to 1440x960 for pal not ideal but I need the video adjustment in tt for correct greyscale colour etc.

I understand there was a limitation which turned off video controls on nVidia decoder for setting over 1080 horizontal.

Can you advise if that is so and how I can get around this issue? Is there a driver which get over this or is it a card driver combination limitation.


Thanks

Yeah, ffdshow resize causes all sorts of little bugs in drivers, and the TT colour control issues sound vaguely familiar. You could try different versions, that helps with some other resize bugs.

However, I've got the same graphics card, and no grayscale problems with 81.98. No need to colour correct in TT or the drivers - as it should be.

So do you have TT control controls working with that driver on the 6600GT ? Or they donot work and the colour is bang on without them?

Last I checked, they don't work, can't check atm though. Never needed them though - brightness/contrast/colour are fixed on my display, and hue is perfect.

Of course, if i used 9x.xx series drivers then everything goes to hell - colours are bonkers, grayscales are messed up and impossible to fix etc etc. That's even if it chooses to save your settings or just ignore them, which makes it more or less impossible to calibrate.

OK....I've read the entire AVS Forum FFDShow 140page+ FAQ thread, various setup threads, asked alot of questions, played with FFDShow alot. This effort has been countless hours over months-and-months. So, I wanted to put together a quick start guide for newbies. I'm a TheaterTek user so it is targeted for that...hope this helps as a starting point for others. Thanks to all posters for educating me and Owen for his wisdom and Andy for his code !

If your main objective is to simply resize your DVDs native 720x480 image to a larger screen/rez while cleaning this up then the below is a very good/optimized starting point. Note, like all things FFDShow varies based on "how" you are going to use it and "what" hardware you are using it on. Example, faster CPU, want to use VMR9, etc. As background my HTPC is not slow, nor bleeding edge, and I get ~30%-45% usage on my CPU with no Judders (30fps material), no Stutters (24fps material), no Lip Sync problems (no ReClock used) for this config. There are many threads/posts on Judders, Stutters, Lip Sync....and while most have merit.....I believe to minimize/aleviate them the basic starting point is to keep the CPU% as low as possible when using FFDShow.....I define this as under 50% (note, there will be startup and runtime spikes above this which can't/won't be avoided..and are OK). Again, you are going to find slews of people....maybe even you......that can go above this and that's great but as I said there are so many other system variables that you have to have a known-good starting point then push the envelope of your settings/tweeks from there. So, my suggestion is to start here and get your system working.....then go to town on tweeks/changes. Personally, I agree with Owen that "Less is More" with regards to FFDShow but I spent 6+ months convincing myself of that....hope it doesn't take you as long. :D

HTPC FFDShow Getting-Started Optimized Settings

My HTPC
Intel P4 2.8Ghz w/1GB RAM
Asus P4S800 mobo {Latest Drivers}
HT & ACPI both enabled in BIOS {I've tried ON & OFF, including HAL change and there was little/no difference}
XP Pro SP2 {Latest Updates}
(8) 250GD HDDs {Contains DVD IFO/VOB files for my NTSC DVDs}
DVD Profiler {Used for DVD Metadata & Cover Art XML input to XLobby: http://www.intervocative.com/Products.aspx/}
TT2.3 {Overlay selected for DVD playback....less CPU overhead than VRM9 and I think crisper IMHO}
XLobby {HTPC Front End: http://xlobby.com/}
ATI Radeon 9600XT (AGP set at 4X) w/Catalyst 6.7 drivers
DVI => DVI connection on Sony VPLHS20 PJ {using Gefen DVI repeater for long distance signal integrity} to 110" Screen
PowerStrip to create custom 1368x768 56Hz driver for Sony VPLHS20 PJ native mode support {http://www.entechtaiwan.net/}
CL Audigy 2ZS audio PCI card but sound is all SP-DIF passthrough to Yamaha Receiver/Amp {I like this so I can use my HT Receiver to set my audio decodes/settings}

FFDShow Settings & Order Listed
Codecs: Raw Video: YUY2 & AVISynth: AVISynth Files Enabled
{Disable all others. Also, TT/NVidia Decoders Output YUY2 and this is a MUST setting for Denoise 3D Input. If your TT outputs YV12 then change registry value:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\NVIDIA Corporation\Filters\Video]
"PreferYV12"=dword:00000001 (For YUY2 output set dword to 00000000)}
Blur & NR: Denoise3d L=1.0, C=2.0, T=5.0, Fast {checked}{Note: Requires YUY2 Colorspace, hence above. These settings also take into account Andy's internal code thresholds and also Chroma to Luma ratio...as well as middle ground of known good range for time (T) constant 4-6. TIP: click on slider button then use arrow keys to move slider in smaller increments}
Levels: Output Levels 16-235 {Adjusts Blacks}
{Changes To YV12 Colorspace needed for ReSize & also make sure to check box for Process Luma only....Chroma adjustments in Levels filter is not optimal.}
AVISynth {Using BT601ToBT709 to change SD ot HD color matrix....this is needed for ATI Gfx card users only resizing/scaling to 1280x720 or above. Setting for this list below in more detail} Also make sure to check YV12 output box.
Resize: 2X, Always On, No Aspect Ratio Change checked {Note: Best To Have YV12 Colorspace for Optimized Code)
Resize Settings: Lanczos (Parameter 2) with Luma sharpen only @ 0.50. {Note, Lanczos >2 taps has been known to show banding or ringing in image...personally I don't see alot of difference in higher values and it consumes alot more CPU %}
Output YV12 Only. {Note, my understanding is output must be YUY2 for VRM9}

Install Steps
First, get/install Andy's 20040801a-SSE2 Preview version {http://ffdshow.leffe.dnsalias.com/andy2222/}. Why this version ?....it is still the fastest code execution out there ! Make 100% sure all other versions of FFDShow are not installed !!! There are sometimes problems uninstalling and installing various versions of FFDShow. The procedue is to uninstall, delete FFDShow directory in C:\Program Files, run reg cleaner, reboot....then install new version. However, if you still have issues then here is the commands to re-register the newly installed version.
FFDShow Manual Re-Register Commands
{Go To START>RUN and change directory to C:\Program Files\FFDShow}
{Type these lines}
regsvr32 /u ffdshow.ax
regsvr32 ffdshow.ax

If you are a ATI Gfx car user then you'll also need to install AVISynth 2.5 on your HTPC. You can go to www.avisynth.org or directly to this site: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=57023. You will also need the DLL file that does this conversion: http://rennfast.dns2go.com/Public/HTPC/ffdshow/avisynth/. Unzip, copy the BT601ToBT709.dll to your AviSynth directory Program Files plugins. {Example: C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\} If you use NVidia Gfx card then you don't need to install AVISynth for this SD to HD color matrix conversion. You can just eliminate the AVISynth filter in my settings above.....note the order is still OK for colorspace inputs/outputs.

Next, launch FFDShow Configuration. My first step here is a housekeeping one.....go ahead and hide all the filters you won't be using and reorder the ones posted above in the exact order as I listed them. Once done, go into each and set the settings as I have described.
Under AVISynth in FFDShow Config type-in the blank box/area these two lines as shown exactly:
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\BT601ToBT709.dll")
BT601ToBT709()
{Make sure you select YV12 box for Input Colorspaces, and also check the Add FFDShow Video Source}

Also, another tip.....if you assign the above configs to a FFDShow Preset (I did and called 1440x960, saved to file for backup) then there are a couple points to note. Make sure that this Preset is double-clicked/highlighted and you're actually working on/saving for this versus default. Also, make sure "Autoload Preset" is checked to force this Presets use. Lastly, FFDShow Presets do not port well from one version to another.....so write your final settings down if you plan to ever change versions.

So, is this the perfect setting ?....no such thing. However, this version is the fastest version (assuming you buy into the caveats) and the settings above take into account all the little colorspace and filter gotchas needed for this version to run smooth/solid. If you don't believe me read the 140+ page FFDShow FAQ...and take notes. Anyway, this is a good starting point and you can tweek from there. Note, some of the hidden gotchas for tweek happy folks are: Lanczos 4 creates banding, be careful of colorspace input needs on filters, FAST checked is great for speed but disables/defaults Luma/Chroma settings.

Does this work ? I hope so.....if the movie is playing back and your not getting a black or green screen then odds are you are there. If "Black" screen then this usually is Blur&NR not running because you are feeding it something other than YUY2 input. If "Green" screen then this is because AVISynth expects YV12 input and you're feeding it something else. So, it's running......is it really working ? A quick way to see if this works is to enable the OSD in FFDShow. Maybe just enable Input and Output Size fields. Note, do not enable CPU% because it is not accurate thru FFDShow. Also, be aware displaying the OSD takes CPU cycles so you may see judder/stutter where before you did not. If you want to see the CPU% on your system...disable FFDShow OSD....run TT/FFDShow with Windows Taks Manager (Ctr-Alt-Del w/Performance Tab} on top of the TT Window (ALT-Tab) to see. Whew !!!!!....need more help ?......there are tons of support sites including this thread for help.

URLs Of Reference/Note:
AVS Forum on Fastest FFDShow version and good summarized comments: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=557445
Andy's 20040801a SSE2 Preview Version: http://ffdshow.leffe.dnsalias.com/andy2222/
TheaterTek: http://www.theatertek.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7472 {Very Good TT FAQ Link}
AVS Forum FFDShow Sticky setup walkthrough: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=719041
AVS Forum FFDShow FAQ (long :eek:): http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=246752
HTPC News FFDShow Beginners Guide: http://www.htpcnews.com/index.php?op...32&Item id=29
SourceForge's Link for Newer Versions & Features (Milan Cutka): http://sourceforge.net/projects/ffdshow/
Celtic Druids FFDShow Versions: http://esby.free.fr/CelticDruid/

FFDShow Settings & Order Listed
Codecs: Raw Video: YUY2 & AVISynth: AVISynth Files Enabled
{Disable all others. Also, TT/NVidia Decoders Output YUY2 and this is a MUST setting for Denoise 3D Input. If your TT outputs YV12 then change registry value:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\NVIDIA Corporation\Filters\Video]
"PreferYV12"=dword:00000001 (For YUY2 output set dword to 00000000)}
Blur & NR: Denoise3d L=1.0, C=2.0, T=5.0, Fast {checked}{Note: Requires YUY2 Colorspace, hence above. These settings also take into account Andy's internal code thresholds and also Chroma to Luma ratio...as well as middle ground of known good range for time (T) constant 4-6. TIP: click on slider button then use arrow keys to move slider in smaller increments}
Levels: Output Levels 16-235 {Adjusts Blacks}
{Changes To YV12 Colorspace needed for ReSize & also make sure to check box for Process Luma only....Chroma adjustments in Levels filter is not optimal.}
AVISynth {Using BT601ToBT709 to change SD ot HD color matrix....this is needed for ATI Gfx card users only resizing/scaling to 1280x720 or above. Setting for this list below in more detail} Also make sure to check YV12 output box.
Resize: 2X, Always On, No Aspect Ratio Change checked {Note: Best To Have YV12 Colorspace for Optimized Code)
Resize Settings: Lanczos (Parameter 2) with Luma sharpen only @ 0.50. {Note, Lanczos >2 taps has been known to show banding or ringing in image...personally I don't see alot of difference in higher values and it consumes alot more CPU %}
Output YV12 Only. {Note, my understanding is output must be YUY2 for VRM9}

It would bee nice it you showed use pictures of FFdshow using these settings.
And a link to BT601ToBT709 would be nice.

And your saying if Fast is used in Blur & NR that the Luma and Chroma go to default even if their set to something else ?

I've uploaded the file BT601ToBT709 .

Are you saying if I use a ati video card and resize to 1280x720 or above I need to use the BT601ToBT709.dll ?

It would bee nice it you showed use pictures of FFdshow using these settings.
I will if I get a chance....good point

And a link to BT601ToBT709 would be nice.
I did......it's there in the guide..........looks like you found and posted the zip.....thanks. http://rennfast.dns2go.com/Public/HTPC/ffdshow/avisynth/

And your saying if Fast is used in Blur & NR that the Luma and Chroma go to default even if their set to something else ? Yes, Andy has internal default threshold levels....so the #s I used are some of Owens ideas....basically there are others but the message is tweeking with these to an extent does little good because Andy moves them to a common threshold value within a certain range. However, you do need to put these values in...can't leave them blank.

Are you saying if I use a ati video card and resize to 1280x720 or above I need to use the BT601ToBT709.dll ? Yes, ATI has a problem that when it sees a source of 720P (since you are scaling a 720x480 image) or above resolution it makes a color pallette shift. The AVI Synth DLL and codec use reshifts this back correctly.

Anyway, my disclaimer is I'm no expert on this....far from it....but wanted to collect a quick known good startup guide that gets folks going then they can go back and read/tweek to their hearts content. Also, I'm not saying this IS the best way....only a known pretty good way/setting. Basically, a consolidation of 140 pages.

thekochs,

I added your guide to the sticky guide.

Thank you very much. :)

thekochs,

Maybe you didn't know this, but BT601ToBT709 was replaced by ColorMatrix.
Think of ColorMatrix as the "Newer" version of BT601ToBT709.

Here's a link to colormatrix;
Link (http://bengal.missouri.edu/~kes25c/ColorMatrixv2.zip)

Here's the Avisynth script to use.
LoadPlugin("G:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\colormatrix.dll")
setmtmode(2, 0)
colormatrix(mode="Rec.601->Rec.709")

You only use setmtmode if you have mt.dll installed in the avisynth plugins folder.

FFDShow Settings & Order Listed
Codecs: Raw Video: YUY2 & AVISynth: AVISynth Files Enabled
{Disable all others. Also, TT/NVidia Decoders Output YUY2 and this is a MUST setting for Denoise 3D Input. If your TT outputs YV12 then change registry value:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\NVIDIA Corporation\Filters\Video]
"PreferYV12"=dword:00000001 (For YUY2 output set dword to 00000000)}
Blur & NR: Denoise3d L=1.0, C=2.0, T=5.0, Fast {checked}{Note: Requires YUY2 Colorspace, hence above. These settings also take into account Andy's internal code thresholds and also Chroma to Luma ratio...as well as middle ground of known good range for time (T) constant 4-6. TIP: click on slider button then use arrow keys to move slider in smaller increments}
Levels: Output Levels 16-235 {Adjusts Blacks}
{Changes To YV12 Colorspace needed for ReSize & also make sure to check box for Process Luma only....Chroma adjustments in Levels filter is not optimal.}
AVISynth {Using BT601ToBT709 to change SD ot HD color matrix....this is needed for ATI Gfx card users only resizing/scaling to 1280x720 or above. Setting for this list below in more detail} Also make sure to check YV12 output box.
Resize: 2X, Always On, No Aspect Ratio Change checked {Note: Best To Have YV12 Colorspace for Optimized Code)
Resize Settings: Lanczos (Parameter 2) with Luma sharpen only @ 0.50. {Note, Lanczos >2 taps has been known to show banding or ringing in image...personally I don't see alot of difference in higher values and it consumes alot more CPU %}
Output YV12 Only. {Note, my understanding is output must be YUY2 for VRM9}


I tried it out.
I like to set the levels output to 0, 235. And I like to set Denoise3d to 0.00, 2.00, 4.00, Fast checked.
I hope the picture below is posted on your guide over at theatertek forums.
Thank you for your effort in making the guide.

Here's an updated picture of your guide. I included Colormatrix as well.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5949/ffdshowyn9.jpg

Link to Picture (http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5949/ffdshowyn9.jpg)

Notes about "thekochs" guide.
My tweaks. Just adjust these values in his guide.
- Blur & NR: Denoise3d; Luma; 0.00, Chroma; 4.00, Time; 1.00, Fast checked
If fast is unchecked, then setting time to 2.000 does not distort the picture.
- Don't use Levels, leave it unchecked.
The Reason for setting Time to 1.00, is that during Calibration of Denoise3d using "thekochs" guide. I found setting Time to 2, or more cause the need for Levels, and it distorted the picture a Lot !
Setting Time to 1.00 and you don't need to adjust the Levels anymore.
I understand that it's established Time needs to be set to 4.000 or higher.
So just take my advice with a grain of salt.

Here's a link to a Picture of a FFdshow setup I made using thekochs guide outline (http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5617/ffdshowcf6.jpg)

So,
I've accidentally deleted ffdshow off my hardrive.
I've reinstalled it but some of my videos (in which I play using WMP)
play the picture but not the sound. I've tried several different things but
none have worked.

Can someone please help me? :)

So,
I've accidentally deleted ffdshow off my hardrive.
I've reinstalled it but some of my videos (in which I play using WMP)
play the picture but not the sound. I've tried several different things but
none have worked.

Can someone please help me? :)

Does it work if you set FFdshow's raw video to disabled ?

http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/6893/rawvideobs2.jpg

Link to picture (http://img318.imageshack.us/img318/6893/rawvideobs2.jpg)

Also please tell us the codecs your using and your ffdshow settings.
What version of WMP are you using ?

What version of ffdshow are you using? My configuration screen is different.
Thanks

What version of ffdshow are you using? My configuration screen is different.
Thanks

Link (http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/ffdshow-tryout/ffdshow_rev465_20061029_Q.exe?download)

Oh, thank you so much for the link. My videos are working again!

I must've downloaded the wrong ffdshow or something. :confused:

This place is pretty cool.
*looks around*

I tried it out.
I like to set the levels output to 0, 235. And I like to set Denoise3d to 0.00, 2.00, 4.00, Fast checked.
I hope the picture below is posted on your guide over at theatertek forums.
Thank you for your effort in making the guide.

Here's an updated picture of your guide. I included Colormatrix as well.

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5949/ffdshowyn9.jpg

Link to Picture (http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/5949/ffdshowyn9.jpg)

Boy this is great....thank you. Only one error/omission. In LEVELS you should have "Modify Only Luminance" checked.....otherwise Chroma is touched which isn't needed and can cause some color issue/shift.

I have setup my MCE as per theKochs guide.

Great guide as it worked first time and looks great.

I am using ffdshow via theatertek.

The problem I have though is that I can't seem to play DIVX 6 files :(

Does anyone know what changes I need to make to ffdshow to allow these to play ?

Also, my native display is 1366x768 - what is the best resize setting - I am currently using a specified size of 1280x720.

I try to go as high as my CPU will support in resize. To me it's the best result for my set up, but others seem to prefere whole multiples (2.0, 3.0). I can run 2.9 before I start to max out the CPU (actually returns an error message).

My native display is 1366x768 - what is the best resize setting - I am currently using a specified size of 1280x720.

I have a Sony VPL-HS20 PJ that is also native 1366x768. I run 2X and let the hardware scalar in my ATI 9600XT scale down. There is little-to-no CPU hit I've seen on P4 2.8Ghz for going this extra step up from 1280x720 and I do see some PQ difference. Also, if you read the 140+ page of posts there has been noted problems of NON-by-X resize multiples.....various notable folks have seen different artifacts. These may be driver related and they are older posts but I wanted to eliminate the bad variables where I could.

As FYI I have 110" screen and did run mine 3X which killed my CPU but the odd thing was after 2X I did not see dramatic quality change. Again, all this is system dependent and what it can take versus the last bit of PQ you are trying to squeeze out. My thought is I'd rather have the CPU overhead to help with studders, judders, etc. during playback.

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5265/andyffdshowtd1.jpg

Link to Picture (http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/5265/andyffdshowtd1.jpg)

Your guide doesn't mention checking "Modify only Luminance".

I have a Sony VPL-HS20 PJ that is also native 1366x768. I run 2X and let the hardware scalar in my ATI 9600XT scale down. There is little-to-no CPU hit I've seen on P4 2.8Ghz for going this extra step up from 1280x720 and I do see some PQ difference. Also, if you read the 140+ page of posts there has been noted problems of NON-by-X resize multiples.....various notable folks have seen different artifacts. These may be driver related and they are older posts but I wanted to eliminate the bad variables where I could.

As FYI I have 110" screen and did run mine 3X which killed my CPU but the odd thing was after 2X I did not see dramatic quality change. Again, all this is system dependent and what it can take versus the last bit of PQ you are trying to squeeze out. My thought is I'd rather have the CPU overhead to help with studders, judders, etc. during playback.

Thanks, I will try the 2x out.

As it happens, I also have a 9600XT but with a P4 3Ghz processor so it should be fine performance wise !

I assume that you mean the 9600XT hardware scaler will scale based on my desktop setting (which is 1280x720) i.e. I don't need to enable any additional settings in Catalyst ?

As regards DIVX 6, does anyone know what I need to do in order to play these files ?

Your guide doesn't mention checking "Modify only Luminance".

Sure it does........... :)
"Levels: Output Levels 16-235 {Adjusts Blacks}
{Changes To YV12 Colorspace needed for ReSize & also make sure to check box for Process Luma only....Chroma adjustments in Levels filter is not optimal.}" This comment actually came from Owen.

I assume that you mean the 9600XT hardware scaler will scale based on my desktop setting (which is 1280x720) i.e. I don't need to enable any additional settings in Catalyst ?

Exactly, the 9600XT scalar will reduce your 2X/1440x960 FFDShow output down to 1280x720 driver setting. Out of curiosity why aren't you doing/running a 1366x768 driver for 1:1 mapping to your native display rez ? If it is because this rez is not offered in ATI Cat ? If so, you can create custom driver with PowerStrip. Here's a link to a Guide I did for my Sony PJ for 1366x768: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=718171
What is your display/TV/PJ by the way ? The PS Forum has a bunch of timings already for various HD TV/PJs.....perhaps your 1366x768 is 60Hz and also documented there already.

As regards DIVX 6, does anyone know what I need to do in order to play these files ?
My recommendation is go the TheaterTek Forum site directly and ask them, PeterST or Andrew can help.

Thanks theKocks.

I am not running 1:1 as my display does not support 1366x768 via HDMI.

It does through VGA which I tried but I didn't think the video was as sharp as HDMI. It was a little soft. It might be to do with analogue to digital conversion.

The windows display was sharper but not the video.

As regards DIVX 6, Theatertek doesn't have any drivers, it uses Nvidia but I have told it to use ffdshow.

As I understand it, ffdshow has all the video codecs and not Theatertek.

Do you think it is to do with running an old, 2004, version of ffdshow ?

Right, I have been playing around with ffdshow a bit more and I have to admit, I am not that impressed.

1) I set the resize to 2 but it distorts the aspect ratio of the movie whereas 1280x720 gives the correct aspect :confused:

2) When watching a film, ffdshow shows artefacts in black areas of the film.

I tested the same film with ffdshow switched off and just the nvidia drivers and the artefacts in black areas are not there.

Has anyone seen these artefacts in black areas ? They look like remnants of the image that previously occupied the space (a little like retention).

It seems like ffdshow is not processing these black areas as if it only processes the moving parts of the video :confused:

Try turning off B&NR (just sharpen), see if they persist. Are you fitting the image to full screen in the ATI CCC?

Right, I have been playing around with ffdshow a bit more and I have to admit, I am not that impressed.

1) I set the resize to 2 but it distorts the aspect ratio of the movie whereas 1280x720 gives the correct aspect :confused:

2) When watching a film, ffdshow shows artefacts in black areas of the film.

I tested the same film with ffdshow switched off and just the nvidia drivers and the artefacts in black areas are not there.

Has anyone seen these artefacts in black areas ? They look like remnants of the image that previously occupied the space (a little like retention).

It seems like ffdshow is not processing these black areas as if it only processes the moving parts of the video :confused:

The levels are out.
To fix this set the output to 0, 235.

I've been scouring through this thread but haven't come across a problem similar to the one I'm running into. When I resize in ffdshow to 2x as suggested in these guides, the image becomes too large for my screen and so widescreen movies get hacked down to a nearly fullscreen image (I'm just viewing this all on my 1280x1024 resolution dell lcd monitor) - I understand that the video card needs to scale it back down, so how do I get it to do this to the image? Thanks a bunch. My ffdshow settings process in this order - Blur&NR, Avisynth, Resize, Overlay-Output.

I am not running 1:1 as my display does not support 1366x768 via HDMI.
Alot of time they do not document the timings needed for 1:1 thru digital port like DVI or HDMI. My Sony PJ did not. That's why I said to go to PowerStrips Forum and ask/look. You'd be surprised how good Rik Wang and that Forum is ! What is the brand/model of your TV/PJ ?

General Forum:
http://entechtaiwan.net/forums/index.php
Timing Database:
http://entechtaiwan.net/forums/viewforum.php?f=6&sid=801ab092183d0ff7fb37292a4f6613b8


As regards DIVX 6, Theatertek doesn't have any drivers, it uses Nvidia but I have told it to use ffdshow. As I understand it, ffdshow has all the video codecs and not Theatertek. Do you think it is to do with running an old, 2004, version of ffdshow ?

This IS very possible.....I doubt this old FFShow version supports. I'm guessing the newer ones do. You can go to the links for newer ones and try.....remember to unistall the old version before installing new one....they are not compatible. Take a look at my install/un-install tips.

SourceForge's Link for Newer Versions & Features (Milan Cutka): http://sourceforge.net/projects/ffdshow/
Celtic Druids FFDShow Versions: http://esby.free.fr/CelticDruid/

Right, I have been playing around with ffdshow a bit more and I have to admit, I am not that impressed.

1) I set the resize to 2 but it distorts the aspect ratio of the movie whereas 1280x720 gives the correct aspect :confused:

2) When watching a film, ffdshow shows artefacts in black areas of the film.

I tested the same film with ffdshow switched off and just the nvidia drivers and the artefacts in black areas are not there.

Has anyone seen these artefacts in black areas ? They look like remnants of the image that previously occupied the space (a little like retention).

It seems like ffdshow is not processing these black areas as if it only processes the moving parts of the video :confused:

1) Are you sure you have "No Aspect Ratio Correction" checked in Resize ?
2) How are your Levels set ? You can select "Process Whole Image" and see if this makes difference. Basically, this means FFDShow will process the non-video areas too.....yup takes more CPU but try it out. First adjust the Levels....this is why mine is set to 16...235 for same reason.

I've been scouring through this thread but haven't come across a problem similar to the one I'm running into. When I resize in ffdshow to 2x as suggested in these guides, the image becomes too large for my screen and so widescreen movies get hacked down to a nearly fullscreen image (I'm just viewing this all on my 1280x1024 resolution dell lcd monitor) - I understand that the video card needs to scale it back down, so how do I get it to do this to the image? Thanks a bunch. My ffdshow settings process in this order - Blur&NR, Avisynth, Resize, Overlay-Output.

Well, 1280x1024 is not a 16:9, 2:35:1, etc.....call these cinema formats....it is 4:3. Can you change your desktop resolution to 1280x720 and see what it looks like ? Is "No Aspect Ratio Correction" checked in Resize ? What is your playback software and how is it handling AR flags ? What is the AR of the movie you are playing ?

Anywya, just some thoughts.

Question....I understand there was a limitation which turned off video controls on nVidia decoder for setting over 1080 horizontal. Can you advise if that is so and how I can get around this issue? Is there a driver which get over this or is it a card driver combination limitation. Thanks

Try this thread: http://www.theatertek.com/forums/search.php?searchid=51941

1) Are you sure you have "No Aspect Ratio Correction" checked in Resize ?
2) How are your Levels set ? You can select "Process Whole Image" and see if this makes difference. Basically, this means FFDShow will process the non-video areas too.....yup takes more CPU but try it out. First adjust the Levels....this is why mine is set to 16...235 for same reason.


Thanks for replying.

1) Yes, this is definitely checked. It is fine when I specify the screen size as 1280x720 but scaling x2 gives this problem.

3) The levels are set as per your guide 16..235. The artefacts do not appear in the black bars, they are in the main video, wherever there is black it seems to retain greeny tinges of the image that last occupied that space.

AV-Spy

In Blur & NR. set the Time to 4.00.
See if that helps.

Thanks for the reply thekochs.

I'm using MPC and my AR settings are set for no aspect ratio correction. The problem is not necessarily the aspect ratio, it's that when I do 2x resize (or 3x, etc.), the image is literally too big for my screen, so regardless of the ratio, I am losing image area because it is not scaling to my screen. I understand that with ffdshow, the resize option will upscale the resolution to a high resolution (even higher than my desktop) but that my video card needs to bring it back down so that it all fits on my monitor. I assume that is not happening, since MPC is basically trying to display an image larger than 1280x1024 on a 1280x1024 screen.

Normally I set the resize to 1280x720 which obviously fits my screen perfectly, but I do not believe I am benefitting from ffdshows resize capabilities. And like I said my ffdshow settings process in this order - Blur&NR, Avisynth, Resize, Overlay-Output so I'm not sure that affects it.

In these ffdshow guides, when people refer to having the video card bring the image back down to the size that fits the desktop after ffdshow has upscaled it, in what way are they doing that? Maybe I am understanding the resize option incorrectly...

I'm on a ATI X800XT vid card with Omega drivers in case that suggests anything.

Which Omega drivers? From my understanding, they had some recent issues with how ATI displays. Simply set your screen resolution (right-click on desktop) to 1280x720. Resize will be scaled by your video card, if not it's an issue with your drivers/settings. I'd recommend you go back to Cats for now, last time I installed the Omega drivers I had some issues.

Thanks for the reply thekochs.

I'm using MPC and my AR settings are set for no aspect ratio correction. The problem is not necessarily the aspect ratio, it's that when I do 2x resize (or 3x, etc.), the image is literally too big for my screen, so regardless of the ratio, I am losing image area because it is not scaling to my screen. I understand that with ffdshow, the resize option will upscale the resolution to a high resolution (even higher than my desktop) but that my video card needs to bring it back down so that it all fits on my monitor. I assume that is not happening, since MPC is basically trying to display an image larger than 1280x1024 on a 1280x1024 screen.

Normally I set the resize to 1280x720 which obviously fits my screen perfectly, but I do not believe I am benefitting from ffdshows resize capabilities. And like I said my ffdshow settings process in this order - Blur&NR, Avisynth, Resize, Overlay-Output so I'm not sure that affects it.

In these ffdshow guides, when people refer to having the video card bring the image back down to the size that fits the desktop after ffdshow has upscaled it, in what way are they doing that? Maybe I am understanding the resize option incorrectly...

I'm on a ATI X800XT vid card with Omega drivers in case that suggests anything.

As Slammy1 said above.....set your screen/display resolution to 1280x720. Then is FFDShow set to 2X. The issue....I think.....is that FFDSHow is working fine and resizing BUT your Gfx card is trying to take a 1440x960 (16:9) image (2X) and fit (scale down) into a 1280x1024 (4:3) window. So, a 16:9 format in a 4:3 area doesn't work so well. Thus, make the desktop/display rez a 16:9 AR....1280x720. Try this and see how it looks. On your Desktop right click>Properties>Settings and select 1280x720.

OK thanks that seems to work changing my desktop resolution. If i try to do 3x or more it gets too big for the screen again though - is that normal?

Also, is this method ("multiply by") a better way to display the image than just setting the resize to 1280x720 ("specify size") in ffdshow? I haven't taken the time yet to compare visually the two options, but I was wondering your outlooks.

Thanks much for all the help.

Thanks for replying.

1) Yes, this is definitely checked. It is fine when I specify the screen size as 1280x720 but scaling x2 gives this problem.

3) The levels are set as per your guide 16..235. The artefacts do not appear in the black bars, they are in the main video, wherever there is black it seems to retain greeny tinges of the image that last occupied that space.

Regarding problem 1 above, I think it might be teh same problem as Ivy Mike i.e. not the aspect ration.

WHen resizing at 2x (with a desptop resolution of 1280x720), the graphix card is not resizing but showing only part of the picture.

Any ideas - sounds strange.

The graohics card is an ATI9600XT runninf Catalyst drivers v6.10

I'd really uninstall the Omega drivers and go back to the Catalyst drivers, see if you have the same issue (or else, at least, install the Omega equivalent of 5.12 or similar). The reason to multiply rather than specify is that different sources have different resolutions, so scaling is not consistent.

EDIT: Are you guys certain that you're running the correct refresh? In CCC, I have image scaling disabled (to preserve 1:1 mapping), I don't know any other settings that would affect the full screen display. You might try to disable the refresh rate override, but it would seem to be better to run it "same as the desktop". One other thing to try would be to uninstall everything and reinstall, just in case it's a corruption of the ffdshow or driver install. I run Cat 6.10 as well.

Also, is this method ("multiply by") a better way to display the image than just setting the resize to 1280x720 ("specify size") in ffdshow? I haven't taken the time yet to compare visually the two options, but I was wondering your outlooks.

Well, for sure the $100 question.....it's like do you like the blond, brunette or redhead super model better. Answer, I like the one I can get. :) Seriously, if you are going thru all the hassle of FFDShow and resizing from 720x480 native image the theory is to go as high as possible that your system and user experience will allow. Obviously, with the heavy math intensive functions the point of diminishing returns comes quick. Also, there is the arguement is that the Gfx card is going to scale down to my Driver/Screen rez so who cares about higher resizing. Well, the answer is simply that taking a 720x480 image and just line replicating looks like crud....hence FFDShow to apply smoothing, interpolation, filtering, etc.. If FFDShow gets a larger "canvas" to work with then in theory it does a better job making adjustments and fine tuning (edges, anti-aliasing, etc.). Then, when the GFx card down-scales it's being given a high quality image to cut down. Anyway, this is the theory and to answer your question I wondered this myself. I did alot of testing on my 110" screen and 30" LCD TV and 42" LCD TV.....all are native 1366x768. What I found was on my 110" I could see pretty good difference in going 2X (1440x960) over 1280x720 or 1366x768. On 42" there was some difference...30" coudln't tell. However, since all of them are driven off same HTPC thru splitter I standardized on 2X. I also could not see any benefit of 3X over 2X only that my CPU went from 40% ro 80-90% use and I got Studders/Judders.

P.S. I used to like the blonds but married a brunette.....go figure. :)

WHen resizing at 2x (with a desptop resolution of 1280x720), the graphix card is not resizing but showing only part of the picture.
Any ideas - sounds strange. The graohics card is an ATI9600XT runninf Catalyst drivers v6.10

This is exactly my setup. As Slammy1 said go into Cat Control Center and see if any stretching, etc. is turned on which should be off. It sounds like the the GFx driver/card is mucking with the FFDShow output and messing it up. I assume all is OK if you run your player without FFDShow ? Also, what do you mean by "part" of the picture ?

EDIT: OK....went to my HTPC. I have 9600XT running Cat 6.8 driver version. I'm hooked up via DVI to my Sony PJ. I opened Catalyst Control Center and under Video>Theater Mode there is section for "Set The Video Ascpect Ratio To:" and I have the "Match the Source Video" selected. Under the Digital Panel Properties section I have "Scale Image to Full Panel Size" checked as opposed to "Use Centered Timings". Note, I'm not running in Clone mode....just Standard mode. For me I have a Gefen Hub that takes the one DVI input from my HTPC and broadcasts multiple streams out. I use this for long distance DVI repeating since my PJ is 36ft. away. I also loop one feed back to a LCD Monitor on top of my HTPC that is 1366x768 native rez I use for debug, etc.....thus the HTPC/9600XT/Driver only think I'm driving one monitor when in reality it is a PJ, two TVs, debug LCD mon. For me a few hundred dollar Hub made my life so much simpliar than trying to have Clone Mode work across many monitors.....also since I need DVI repeater anyway I could justify in that regard too.

Anyway, check these settings.

EDIT: OK....went to my HTPC. I have 9600XT running Cat 6.8 driver version. I'm hooked up via DVI to my Sony PJ. I opened Catalyst Control Center and under Video>Theater Mode there is section for "Set The Video Ascpect Ratio To:" and I have the "Match the Source Video" selected. Under the Digital Panel Properties section I have "Scale Image to Full Panel Size" checked as opposed to "Use Centered Timings". Note, I'm not running in Clone mode....just Standard mode. For me I have a Gefen Hub that takes the one DVI input from my HTPC and broadcasts multiple streams out. I use this for long distance DVI repeating since my PJ is 36ft. away. I also loop one feed back to a LCD Monitor on top of my HTPC that is 1366x768 native rez I use for debug, etc.....thus the HTPC/9600XT/Driver only think I'm driving one monitor when in reality it is a PJ, two TVs, debug LCD mon. For me a few hundred dollar Hub made my life so much simpliar than trying to have Clone Mode work across many monitors.....also since I need DVI repeater anyway I could justify in that regard too.

Anyway, check these settings.

Thanks theKocks.

I checked the settings and my Catalyst drivers were already setup with the xact configuration you list, so this is even more confusing !

:confused: :confused:

Guys,
I use FFDSHOW and love it. I use in with PreMovie Manager 2 to show premovie slides and trailers before the main feature. FFDSHOW works great with the DVD movie however it is choppy at times during trailer playback. Is there a way to ignore the FFDSHOW plugin while playing back my trailers since they are already Quicktime HD trailers I dont need the FFDSHOW effects.

Forgive me if this is a dumb question I tried changing a few settings but no luck.

Thanks,
Dave

Look to FFSShow Video Decoder Configuration->Image Settings and specify your new preset, then set up auto-load conditions.

Is it possible to enable/disable resizing (or ffdshow altogether) in realtime ?

If you mean as you watch a movie, the answer is yes, although my experience is that this is software dependent (most require a restart). One playback program that I had great success with for testing purposes was Got All Media. It let me make all sorts of ffdshow changes in realtime in order to see what I like better. It was VERY helpful when I was experimenting alot. I don't use it as my front end anymore (I like MPC better), but for testing, I thought it was great.

Guys, why is it that in the resize option, no matter what size I type in, the resolution number in the control bar never changes. It ALWAYS stays at 720x540. Why does it always say that in the control bar. Does this mean that the resolution is infact not changing? Or is it just a bug in Zoom Player?

Ok Here goes!
I am one of those people, especially regarding computers that likes the saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". I must admit at times to not totally following that philosophy. I know get to the point.

I have a two year old HTPC (Athlon 3400+ 2.2GHZ, Radeon X1300 video card, WinDVD 6, ZoomPlayer Pro, AnyDVD, and a two year old version of FFDshow)

Is there any advantage to installing a newer version of FFDShow and if so why and what version. A present I am using the following filters, Denoise, sharpen and the resize filters only. I have been pretty happy with the results for the last couple of years although I do get some motion smearing with my JVC D-ILA projector. I have always attributed the smearing to the D-ILA but I think it may be more than it should be when playing DVD's. Is the FFDshow "Blur and NR" filter (not using at present) suppose to help with this? I am leary off adding to much more FFDShow processing as I run about 60 - 75% processor load now when watching a DVD.

Thanks, Don

anderdea,

Try setting denoise3d to 0.00, 2.00, 3.00 HQ checked
to get rid of the smearing.

And yes the newer FFDshow versions are much faster.

I have always attributed the smearing to the D-ILA
Have you set up powerstrip to the correct timings?
If not, it does a huge difference.
Find them at http://www.jvcdig.com under "Projector Native Timing Formats"

I tested the HX2 for a magazin about one year ago and wasn't that impressed until I found the native timing settings as pr the above site.
After that I was ....well, stunned.

Henrik

8:13, Sinobi,
Thanks for the responses. I have an older JVC G-11 D-ILA projector and have power strip tweeked pretty well. Even with the newer 1080P projectors coming down the pike, I'm very satisfied with the Pic quality of my G-11. The drawback on the D-ILA was the cost of the Xenon bulbs. I was able to purchase a new bulb on E-bay for $300, The original cost was $800, and my last bulb cost me $450. I am going to hold on to it until I wear out the new bulb (still have about 200 hours left on my current one) . The oldest component in my system is my VuTek screen. In a month or so I will be purchasing a new Stewart 100" 16X9 Grayhawk motorized screen.

When I get the time I will update FFDshow, thanks. I printed an old tutorial dated 8/18/05 from the "Home Theater PC Digest" WEB site and it looked pretty good. Is there a newer Tutorial/Definitions area I can got to, to get a general description of what each section in FFDshow is suppose to do without having to look through hundred's of posts?

Thanks, Don

Hey Guys,
What version of Ffdshow are you using? On the SourceForge website I only have a choice of ffdshow( 06-17-2002) and ffdshow-alpha (ffdshow-10-12-2004).
I also am going to use this going to my Pio 5050HD plasma via HDMI. Any recommended settins besides whats posted here? Thanks for any advice guys.
-Evangelo2

FFDshow (http://downloads.sourceforge.net/ffdshow-tryout/ffdshow_rev802_20070120_clsid_icl9.exe?modtime=1169324575&big_mirror=0)

________Basic Configuration________
I added the Queue output samples part
This version is using the newest FFdshow.

Codecs: All Supported
Blur & NR: denoise3d: Luma: 0.00, Chroma: 2.00, Time: 3.00, HQ Checked
Resize & aspect:
Multiply by 2.000
No aspect ratio correction checked
Lanczos
Taps: 2
Luma Sharpen: 1.10
Queue & Output: Queue output samples checked
Output: YV12 checked

Evangelo2,
I looked at your DVD collection. Are you using a stand alone Blu-Ray player or some setup on your HTPC? I also recognized the DVD Profiler format right away as I started using the premium version on Saturday 1/20/07 to set up my DVD Library. I was using a Filemaker Pro database I wrote many years ago but it turned out to be real time intensive for data entry as compared to DVD Profiler's UPC entry format. Having written my fair share of databases both in Access and FMP I know what it takes to make an efficient usable product. In my eyes, you get a lot of bang for the buck with DVD Profiler.

8:13, Thank you. I will install this tonight and try your settings. I hope ffdshow plays well with the NVidia PureVideo Platinum decoder I installed 2 nights ago and with my GeForce6600. I also plan on installing GameEx for emulating my old video games. GameEx looks like the best emulator/rom manager for MCE. They're documentation recommends using ffdshow as well.

anderdea,
I am a software engineer as well and DVD Profiler is definitely a nice tool. I have been using it by entering the UPCs on the boxes. My HTPC does not have a HD DVD drive or a Blu-Ray drive. I have stand alone players for the new formats right now.
-Evangelo2

test

Look to FFSShow Video Decoder Configuration->Image Settings and specify your new preset, then set up auto-load conditions.

I just want to say thanks that did the trick!

first post, i hope this is not bringing up a dead thread or anything but here goes: simple question, is FFDshow still the main app for upconversion? and is the first post still valid to some degree? i would look through the thread(and i probably will for some pages) but there is a lot to go through, so is there aything in particular is should look for in the thread (or if any1 can summarize, that would be awesome!)

You can also have a look at the FFDShow advanced configuration thread that is a sticky on this forum.

But yeah, FFDShow is still used by a lot of HTPC people. It is extremely flexible! Some of us even use it for advanced deinterlacing of anime and TV shows. :)

Has anyone managed to playback HD-DVD / VC-1 with ffdshow ? With anydvd HD available now, AACS is not preventing us from using ffdshow...I understand that a spliter for VC-1 is still missing though...

Hi all,
Don't know if this is the right place to ask,
I've installed ffdshow on my pc and I can reproduce mov, mp4 files (basically h264 encoded streams) with Windows Media Player.
Now I tried the same on another pc but Windows Media Player can't find the codec, what could be wrong?

thanks for any tips
Bye

Lele_brz, does MPC play the video files without ffdshow in the loop?

Cheers,
Bitey

I tried to use FFDShow under MPC. Configuration of ffdshow was the same as I used in Zoom Player for DVD viewing. However I used MPC to capture stream from my sattelite receiver Dreambox. Result, however, was not what I expected to see. Perhaps one can not apply the same ffdshow algorithm to DVB-S stream as to DVD, even though they both are in MPEG2 format. After I applied my algorithm designed for "Zoom Player DVD " viewing, I got picture that is stuttering (CPU is only 80% loaded) and I have huge black straps, both horisontal and vertical around my picture. I would say picture takes only 60-70% when I enable full screen in MPC.

Has anyone tried to use ffdshow on DVB-S stream??? Do you use different ffdshow setup to what is used under DVD playback?

Guys,

Old school question for you :-)

Im toying with an old Nvidia 5500fx in my HTPC. Its running 1776x1000i (windows desktop) via powerstrip at 25hz (50i) fine, however when im using ffdshow the bottom part of the video is being cut off.

Anyone come across this in the old days? :)

PS: Im using the 5500fx as im pinching my 9800pro (which normally resides in the htpc) for some games duty but still want to watch some dvd's through ffdshow.

Cheers,
Bitey

I guess your zooming in on the movie, right?
Meaning making it larger and thereby chopping of the top and the bottom part to make the sides fit.
And also I guess you are using WMR9 in some way.
Nvidia has a well known limitation:
It can not have a negative x,y value as startingpoint for the movie image.
In other words: The image can't start above the top edge of the screen.
One workaround is to use VMR7 instead.
Another I think, would be to crop of the top part of the image.

Henrik

Hi Sinobi,

Nope - no zooming, resizing to 1776x1000 (no AR correction).

The setup was working with my 9800pro, which Ive borrowed out the machine, I loaded the nvidia drivers, got my custom res/timing working with powerstip, then went to test some dvd playback only to find the image was getting chopped off at the bottom and squished slightly (like the overlay area was way off center). Im not zooming/cropping or anything like that :)

From memory it was using overlay, not vmr9/7 (I dont think the card is fast enough to use vmr7/9 :)

Cheers,
Bitey

Guys,

Old school question for you :-)

Im toying with an old Nvidia 5500fx in my HTPC. Its running 1776x1000i (windows desktop) via powerstrip at 25hz (50i) fine, however when im using ffdshow the bottom part of the video is being cut off.

Anyone come across this in the old days? :)

PS: Im using the 5500fx as im pinching my 9800pro (which normally resides in the htpc) for some games duty but still want to watch some dvd's through ffdshow.

Cheers,
Bitey

Wow, I can’t believe this thread is still going after nearly 4 years.

Bitey, that old 5500fx is well past it’s use by date, it’s going to look like crap after the 9800, but if you must you must.

What settings are you using in FFDShow, and do things work properly without FFDShow?

Howdy Owen,

You know I must do these silly things and waste a lot of time only to be bitterly dissapointed!! :-)

Ive almost worked it out - turns out not to be a ffdshow issue at all :o . Its a Nvidia/50hz problem - pop it into 60hz and everything is fine.

Im fiddling with the custom settings in the nvidia driver stuff until I get one working nicely.. not only is the overlay window being transposed off center, but opening/closing windows is very slow (ie. quiting zoomplayer) - seems the freqency is shifting too as my monitor screen goes blank and I can hear it trying to lock on again very often.

I should probably just buy a x800gto (cheap and better than the 9800pro) to play some older games on and leave the HTPC and the 9800pro alone, afterall im happy with how it was working and find myself going back to my known good image after messing with new versions of things :D

Cheers,
Bitey

is it possible to have just ffdshow installed and have that thumbnail image of a video show? I haven't found a way yet.

Oh, my OS is windows XP and I got SP2.

The volume for my live TV is very low, so i wanted to install FFDShow, as i did in XP to fix this issue. For some reason i can't for the life of me get it to run when watching live TV.

This is what i have tried:

- Installed ffdshow64-v2546 checked "volume", and put the volume at 300%. After this when i started live TV the ffdshow icon wasn't in the lower right. (my assumption is that it is not running)

- I uninstalled ffdshow64-v2546, and installed VistaCodecs_v446 and x64Components_v1251. When into the Audio section, checked "volume", and put the volume at 300%. After this when i started live TV the ffdshow icon wasn't in the lower right.

What am i doing wrong?? This is all I did in XP and it worked perfect.

Im running Vist Ultimate 64-bit.

I'm an ffdshow newbie, so any help would be appreciated...

When I follow the guide (using zoom player Pro + wmp), I always receive the following error when I try to save my ffdshow config:

'An exception occurred while trying to run "ffdshow.ax,configure"'

Same with audio:

"ffdshow.ax,configureAudio"

I haven't seen any posts relating to this on this thread. Can someone point me in the right direction? I don't have a handle on this stuff.

Note: I followed all of the "basic" settings, but used a resolution of 1776x1000.

AMD Athlon 64 3800+
2gb ram
ATI x850xt pe
DVI connection to HDMI -> 1776x1000

Thanks!

Even found the one for forcing YV12 output.
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\NVIDIA Corporation\Filters\Video]
"PreferYV12"=dword:00000001
{Supposively 0 means YUY2 output}

Thanks!!! I was looking for this! :D

Spent about 7 hours blowing up my computer today with every imaginable combination of player, decoder, splitter, and codec on earth. Only to find out the "Holy Grail" I was going for is unobtainable. Is there even a remote possibility of hardware de-interlacing and FFDshow ever playing nice? I adore what PDVD+AVIVO and Theatertek+Purevideo are capable of doing with interlaced material, but I can't live without my Lanczos and SeeSaw!

I dont think so. FFDSHOW needs to process the video in software mode - DxVA avico etc use hardware mode - you cant do both :-)

Cheers,
Bitey

What do these changelogs mean?

Changes from FFDShow rev. 1280 to FFDShow rev. 1309 :

- Initial revision of DXVA branch
- Created directory branches/dxva

From http://www.free-codecs.com/download/FFDShow.htm

I am a a new HTPC owner (just finished building it). The video card is an nVidia 8600GTS, (has "PureVideo" capabilities) and I have a E6750 Core 2 Duo processor.

I've been trying to wrap my mind around what this FFDShow application is, and it seems like it is mainly intended for people who don't have a video card that does a lot of the hardware decoding that Purevideo accomplishes, or for people who want to do more post processing (de-noise? other things?) that even a Purevideo-enabled card can't do (?).

Is this assessment correct?

Do I need FFDShow on my new HTPC?

I once installed FFDShow to play Matroska files; I had originally installed Haali Media Splitter to play mkv files in Mediaportal, but that didn't work. FFDshow allowed me to play them, but then I started experiencing tearing as I remember.

I'd really like to get mkv files to play in Mediaportal without needing to use FFDShow.

Can anybody illuminate the situation for me?

Thanks!

i want this to sharpen image on windvd9 bluray etc but nothing happens when i make a change in fdshow. im green and quickly going bald please help me save a hair.

I am a a new HTPC owner (just finished building it). The video card is an nVidia 8600GTS, (has "PureVideo" capabilities) and I have a E6750 Core 2 Duo processor.

I've been trying to wrap my mind around what this FFDShow application is, and it seems like it is mainly intended for people who don't have a video card that does a lot of the hardware decoding that Purevideo accomplishes, or for people who want to do more post processing (de-noise? other things?) that even a Purevideo-enabled card can't do (?).

Is this assessment correct?

Do I need FFDShow on my new HTPC?

I once installed FFDShow to play Matroska files; I had originally installed Haali Media Splitter to play mkv files in Mediaportal, but that didn't work. FFDshow allowed me to play them, but then I started experiencing tearing as I remember.

I'd really like to get mkv files to play in Mediaportal without needing to use FFDShow.

Can anybody illuminate the situation for me?

Thanks!

According to NVidia, all GeForce video cards do PureVideo. I'd like an answer to your other questions though, as my main concern is making DVD ISOs and xvid files look better on my HDTV.