Well ABC likes to extend their show times a minute or two, and that might be throwing off the 6412 (I have to set a manual 8-10pm recording for Lost and Alias, otherwise it will not record CSI: NY and Law and Order because Alias goes till 10:01pm).

My wife has two shows that she wants to record - Oprah and Oprah after the Show. She has attempted to record Oprah via a season pass and single show recording on standard NBC (05), HD NBC (105) and KONG (06) and for some reason the machine will not do it (insert content filter joke here). I've taken a look, moved the show to priority #1 and still no luck. I have erased the season pass, set the recording back up myself to make sure no conflicts, and it still won't record the shows. Any ideas on why this is? These are the only two shows that won't record properly (insert more jokes here). Thanks in advance for your help.

Originally posted by Roca
My wife has two shows that she wants to record - Oprah and Oprah after the Show. She has attempted to record Oprah via a season pass and single show recording on standard NBC (05), HD NBC (105) and KONG (06) and for some reason the machine will not do it (insert content filter joke here). I've taken a look, moved the show to priority #1 and still no luck. I have erased the season pass, set the recording back up myself to make sure no conflicts, and it still won't record the shows. Any ideas on why this is? These are the only two shows that won't record properly (insert more jokes here). Thanks in advance for your help.

do you have them set up as 2 different shows? I'm not sure of the schedule, but if 'after the show' occurs after the show (go figure), then set up a season pass on the main show, and add extra time to include 'after the show'. there is a known problem with the 6412 and recording shows that overlap - while this isn't really an overlap, per se, it might be the same problem.

We do have the machine set to record a show directly after Oprah and right before Oprah After the Show, but even given the overlap problem you pointed out I would think that it would record at least Oprah or Oprah After the Show. Wouldn't the machine consistently skip the show that follows another recording or vice versa? I suppose we can make sure that there are no shows set to record that surround either Oprah recording and see if that solves the problem, but then we miss the other shows we want. Is this software that bad?

..and we do have it set up to record them as two different shows (at two different times).

Is anyone receiving the HD subchannel of KCTS (PBS channel 9) from Comcast cable using a QAM tuner (after 5 PM when it is broadcasting)? Or is everyone reading this thread using a Comcast STB instead?

Anyone watching Numbers? I'm having a lag in the audio. Lips move first then sound! Does KIRO scan this forum? My receiver only has the option to further delay the audio so that doesn't help.

Others seeing and hearing this?

Art

Originally posted by artseattle
Anyone watching Numbers? I'm having a lag in the audio. Lips move first then sound! Does KIRO scan this forum? My receiver only has the option to further delay the audio so that doesn't help.

Others seeing and hearing this?

Affirmative. I was just flipping through the channels and heard/saw the audio lag during numbers.

I had problems recording Battlestar Galactic last week with the DCT6412 too. It was ok for the first 20 minutes, then it skipped right to the end. There was no indication anything was wrong, but the last 40 minutes were simply missing. It was rerun Tuesday and I checked that morning that it was scheduled to be recorded with no conflicts, but when I checked for it that night, no recording! Fortunately I was able to download the episode with **********. Much better quality too. It's funny that the sole purpose of the Comcast's cable system it to deliver TV shows, yet they're not as reliable and can't do as good a job as a bunch of hackers on the internet who are beset on all sides by hostile lawyers and industry whores like Michael Powell.

My wife using the Tivo to record Oprah is one of the reasons I want to cancel DirecTV. :D

Originally posted by tap
It's funny that the sole purpose of the Comcast's cable system it to deliver TV shows, yet they're not as reliable and can't do as good a job as a bunch of hackers on the internet who are beset on all sides by hostile lawyers and industry whores like Michael Powell.
Dare I say it??? Microsoft software just isn't reliable, yet. Maybe in a few years.

Here's a thread where they discuss the new HD channels on DirecTV. I didn't have enough interest to make it through about 10 posts, but one person was indicating that the sats that converted from Internet use can handle 1500 locals, and future sats in the next couple of years will add 1000 more, plus some national HD channels.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=507704

Does anyone else notice the interlace lines during SD programming on KIRO-DT? HD programming looks great, but the SD programming looks like it needs to be deinterlaced or something. It's especially noticeable when the camera is panning or something is moving horizontally across the screen. I don't see this problem on any other channel. Anyone else see this?

-- Alex

Originally posted by adossey
Does anyone else notice the interlace lines during SD programming on KIRO-DT? HD programming looks great, but the SD programming looks like it needs to be deinterlaced or something. It's especially noticeable when the camera is panning or something is moving horizontally across the screen. I don't see this problem on any other channel. Anyone else see this?

-- Alex

I'm getting OTA of Kiro and the SD looks exactly like you describe (at least for the Illinois basketball game.) So it isn't Comcast. It is either CBS or Kiro with the problem. Not only does the edge of objects have strange interlace artifacts, almost like they are combining the interlaced frames in reverse order, but it also has a flicker like dropped frames.

Since they switched to the golf, it looks fine, but it would be hard to tell because there isn't too much motion compared to basketball.

Budget_HT,
I get KCTS HD on 82-5 after 5PM with both LG 4200A and 3410A. It was gone on my 4200A for a few weeks when Comcast switched channels in my area from 111 to 82 but it reappeared about a week ago when they dropped 82-6. I believe it is also available on 122.

Originally posted by adossey
Does anyone else notice the interlace lines during SD programming on KIRO-DT? HD programming looks great, but the SD programming looks like it needs to be deinterlaced or something. It's especially noticeable when the camera is panning or something is moving horizontally across the screen. I don't see this problem on any other channel. Anyone else see this?

-- Alex
It looks to me like KIRO is doing some kind of squeeze or stretch...because the aspect ratio isn't what quite you'd expect from 4x3 analog channels. A little wider. I wonder if that processing is adding artifacts.

Originally posted by artshotwell
Dare I say it??? Microsoft software just isn't reliable, yet. Maybe in a few years. I'd say that's an uninformed cheap shot. Look in the 6412 w/ iGuide thread - where MS is not involved - and you'll see many of these same problems. It would be more fair to say there are bugs to be worked out in this entire "ecosystem": 6412 core hardware, firmware, and low-level OS (Motorola), 6412 application software (either MSTV or iGuide), Head-end hardware & software (whatever Comcast is using there), EPG guide data (tribune or whoever supplies it to Comcast), etc. There are bugs in ALL of these places.

Originally posted by jimre
I'd say that's an uninformed cheap shot. Look in the 6412 w/ iGuide thread - where MS is not involved - and you'll see many of these same problems. It would be more fair to say there are bugs to be worked out in this entire "ecosystem": 6412 core hardware, firmware, and low-level OS (Motorola), 6412 application software (either MSTV or iGuide), Head-end hardware & software (whatever Comcast is using there), EPG guide data (tribune or whoever supplies it to Comcast), etc. There are bugs in ALL of these places.

And even with all of these problems there is no way I would be willing to give up my 6412. This is by far the best solution for recording, timeshifting, and pausing HD on cable. For ~10 bucks per month, no upfront costs, I feel I am getting my moneys worth and more!

BTW: Now that I have Kiro, I'm taking down my OTA antenna. One happy camper here.

Originally posted by adossey
Does anyone else notice the interlace lines during SD programming on KIRO-DT? HD programming looks great, but the SD programming looks like it needs to be deinterlaced or something. It's especially noticeable when the camera is panning or something is moving horizontally across the screen. I don't see this problem on any other channel.

I have the exact same problem w/ KIRO OTA. It started when they began mangling their SD picture with that slight horizontal stretching and apparent omission of a couple of dozen scan lines from the top of the field.

I'm altogether displeased with KIRO, as of late. The problems are myriad: the botched 480i to 1080i conversions, the moving of the CBS Evening News to 5:30, the Eyewitness News "ticker" appearing for minutes at a time during entertainment programs, the waste of bandwidth that is the "Airport Cam" on 7-2...

Originally posted by jimre
I'd say that's an uninformed cheap shot
Okay, Okay. Sorry. But, it seems like I have seen more bugs in Windows than in other software products. And, certainly more problems than I've seen in the cars I've owned...or just about any other product.

You're right that this is a system of many parts. And, I'll agree that I wouldn't want to give up my 6412. In general, I'd say I'm very happy with it. And comfortable with it, too. In general the problems are what I'd consider minor.

Originally posted by ddz
Budget_HT,
I get KCTS HD on 82-5 after 5PM with both LG 4200A and 3410A. It was gone on my 4200A for a few weeks when Comcast switched channels in my area from 111 to 82 but it reappeared about a week ago when they dropped 82-6. I believe it is also available on 122.
Thank you! I'll pass that info on to my friend. I have encouraged him to come to the forum to gain knowledge and ask questions himself, so hopefully he has already read your answer.

I am using OTA HD + DirecTV, so I have no personal experience with HD from Comcast, with or without their STB.

Originally posted by jimre
I'd say that's an uninformed cheap shot. Look in the 6412 w/ iGuide thread - where MS is not involved - and you'll see many of these same problems. It would be more fair to say there are bugs to be worked out in this entire "ecosystem": 6412 core hardware, firmware, and low-level OS (Motorola), 6412 application software (either MSTV or iGuide), Head-end hardware & software (whatever Comcast is using there), EPG guide data (tribune or whoever supplies it to Comcast), etc. There are bugs in ALL of these places.

Sounds like a bunch of buck passing to me. My VCR in the 1980s was much more reliable than this DVR is. I've given up trying to fast forward or rewind HD content, it always locks up in fast forward mode for at least several minutes. I've never had a VCR that locked up. Scrolling a page in the channel guide now takes several seconds, it used to be much faster. I suppose like Microsoft's operating systems, you need to upgrade your hardware as each release is slower than the last.

I made my own analog DVR back in the late 90s, and if the FCC hadn't made cablecard HD tuners for Linux illegal, I'd ditch Comcast's system in a second.

Originally posted by tap
Sounds like a bunch of buck passing to me. ... Well, if you want to blame a single party - then blame Comcast. It's their product you've purchased. My point was that folks in other cities who aren't even using MSTV software are having the same problems we are - if not worse. To me, that makes it obvious these particular bugs - lockups & program loss - aren't caused by the MSTV software. I've given up trying to fast forward or rewind HD content, it always locks up in fast forward mode for at least several minutesThis one actually *is* an MSTV bug - or at least it can be fixed in the MSTV software. As I've posted before - according to friends who work at MS, the "stuck on FF" bug is already fixed in the latest version of the Page Files they've delivered to Comcast. Presumably when Comcast finishes whatever testing they do, they will roll this out to us.I made my own analog DVR back in the late 90s...What exactly is an "Analog Digital Video Recorder"?

Originally posted by jameskollar
BTW: Now that I have Kiro, I'm taking down my OTA antenna. One happy camper here.

Why on earth would you take it down? My antenna is where it is for when Comcast went down (something that happened quite frequently a few years ago). Now Comcast is actually a backup for the antenna (because strong storms will affect my signal--e.g. a strong rain storm over Gold Mountain or Queen Anne Hill). It's good to have two sources, especially if you're into sports.

Originally posted by tap
I suppose like Microsoft's operating systems, you need to upgrade your hardware as each release is slower than the last.

You really hold a grudge. XP is faster than Win 98SE (although it does have a higher minimum system requirement, but that's probably to get some limitation on the hardware it runs under). I run XP on an AMD 350 machine, in part because it is faster (and in part because of support issues).

Originally posted by artshotwell
Okay, Okay. Sorry. But, it seems like I have seen more bugs in Windows than in other software products. And, certainly more problems than I've seen in the cars I've owned...or just about any other product.

IMHO, most Windows problems (other than security issues) are related to bad drivers developed by third parties. Unfortunately, when Windows crashes, MSFT gets blamed.

The system would probably be a lot more stable if XP required drivers to be certified, but the DOJ would be all over MSFT if they tried to pull that.

Originally posted by Karyk
IMHO, most Windows problems (other than security issues) are related to bad drivers developed by third parties. Unfortunately, when Windows crashes, MSFT gets blamed.
That's certainly a good excuse, but not one I buy. MS's OS should not allow bad drivers to take the system down. XP really IS a big step above all previous MS OS's. But, I used OS/2 ten years ago and it seems like MS has just recently been able to achieve that level of reliability. BeOS also has that level of reliability. And, two other amazing benefits: Very fast initial load time, under 20 seconds, and the ability to update or load new drivers or new system components without rebooting.

For me, every time I load a new program or get an MS update or get any kind of update that requires a reboot, I get nervous that the OS just won't come back at all. I've had that happen soooo many times with previous versions of Windows that I have absolutely no confidence that a reboot will be successful. And, I'mf fairly confident that if XP fails to start that I have no option but to start over from scratch with a completely fresh install. Which is a horrible time-consuming problem.

I've had a personal computer for about 20 years now and all those earlier problems by MS have taken their toll.

FWIW, I don't believe XP is faster than Win98. My XP box has a MUCH faster processor and more memory, and XP still takes longer for an initial load and some functions take as long or longer, as when I open Explorer and wait for it to build it's file list. Or, right-click on a file to simply rename it.

Originally posted by artshotwell
and the ability to update or load new drivers or new system components without rebooting.

I've read that's actually a design flaw by the programmers in most instances. For most drivers (and also most software installs) there's no reason Windows would require a reboot.

As to the XP being faster issue, I'm comparing it to 98SE on the same computer. One place XP is slower is system shutdown, but other than that, it's uniformly faster in my experience.

Edit: On this last point, XP will ask the computer to do more, depending on the CPU, unless you set it up not to do so. So it very well could be slower on a faster computer.

Even Windows often requires it. At least one of the security patches MS released last week required a reboot. But, this probably isn't the place to discuss problems with Windows.

You're right about the hijack--sorry. But one last point--Windows update often (usually?) involves drivers/software that goes to the core of Windows. Those would be the type that require a reboot. Unlike most hardware drivers they can't be simply disabled and restarted.

Originally posted by Karyk
Why on earth would you take it down? My antenna is where it is for when Comcast went down (something that happened quite frequently a few years ago). Now Comcast is actually a backup for the antenna (because strong storms will affect my signal--e.g. a strong rain storm over Gold Mountain or Queen Anne Hill). It's good to have two sources, especially if you're into sports.

I've run out of Component inputs to my Zektor componet switch bboxes (I have 7 inputs ight now with 2 switchers). Now I can add back my Play@TV device that I took offline because of a lack of inputs. Or a Roku media player if I could be convinced it was really worth the investment. :)

BTW: I'm not into sports. I find them a big yawn.

Originally posted by artshotwell

I've had a personal computer for about 20 years now and all those earlier problems by MS have taken their toll.

FWIW, I don't believe XP is faster than Win98. My XP box has a MUCH faster processor and more memory, and XP still takes longer for an initial load and some functions take as long or longer, as when I open Explorer and wait for it to build it's file list. Or, right-click on a file to simply rename it.
Art - I feel your pain. I've had to manage PC's of various forms for my company for 23 years (remember CP/M?). Sounds like you need to stop by the infirmary and get those wounds tended to!

I agree that without tweaking, XP is not faster than 98SE on the same hardware, by a long shot. Even with extreme tweaking it is not clearly faster. People get fooled by the 3GHz CPU and 512MB RAM on newer PC's. 98SE would fly on that. But, this is not the Seattle-Windows forum so I guess we should stop all this...

quarque: Sounds like you've been there. I'll drop my criticism of MS here, since we're off-topic. Cheers.

1. When are we going to get a digital simulcast of the analog channels?

2. Anyone with any insight on when FSN might get HD?

3. (off topic) What happened to Kevin Calabro tonight on the Sonics telecast? [edit] http://www.nba.com/sonics/news/gasman050210.html

We've got two great local basketball teams, a hopefully-improved Mariner team starting its season soon, and our source for watching all of same sucks.

Question for the Crt users.
I've been searching to find out if the 6412 is dvi-i or dvi-d out. I've come up dry. I assume so. Can anyone verify this? If it is a dvi-d, will comcast provide me with a transcoder to convert to vga 15 pin? I'm runing a dish 6000 right now. I'm want to switch to comcast, but I don't want to spend the $300 to get a transcoder. Any sugestions would be greatly appreciated.

Mason

It's DVI-D with HDCP copy-protection. You wouldn't be able to use a transcoder with the DVI port anyway with the copy-protection enabled. If you don't have Component inputs, then you'll have to get a Component->VGA analog transcoder instead. Don't know if Comcast would supply such a thing. Doesn't hurt to ask, but I wouldn't hold my breath...

why isn't the grammy's in hd?? when right before it started it said is' recorded in hd and will be broadcasted in hd?? which is on kiro? is it just me or have you guys noticed kiro is having many problems right now??


nevermind they must have the flipped the switch!! it's in hd now.

Originally posted by Macoberly
Question for the Crt users.
I've been searching to find out if the 6412 is dvi-i or dvi-d out. I've come up dry. I assume so. Can anyone verify this? If it is a dvi-d, will comcast provide me with a transcoder to convert to vga 15 pin? I'm runing a dish 6000 right now. I'm want to switch to comcast, but I don't want to spend the $300 to get a transcoder. Any sugestions would be greatly appreciated.

Mason

check this out a component to VGA adapter that supports HDTV resolutions under 100$

http://hardware.teamxbox.com/articles/xbox/934/VDigi-Electronics-Enhanced-VDZ3-Review/p1/

Life with Fusion HDTV 3 QAM adapter with Windows XP Pro with Comcast Extended Analog service in Issaquah: http://www.dvico.com/products_mul_hd3.html

I get channels:
81-1 FOX KCPQ
81-2 WB KTWB
82-1 ABC KOMO
82-2 PBS KCTS
82-3 PBS KCTS
82-4 PBS KCTS
82-5 PBS KCTS
83-1 NBC KING
83-2 IND KONG
84-2 CBS KIRO
122 PBS KCTS

Not bad, lots of PBS :-) Am I missing any?

I had the 6412 skip 11 minutes in the middle of another show, this time on a show that my wife was watching also. Needless to say, she wasn't happy. Does anyone have any idea why it is doing this?

I also had a frozen picture when I turned on the tv this morning (the 6412 is always on) and it froze again about 10-15 minutes later. Changing the channel is the only fix. Any ideas on this issue yet?

Originally posted by Go Hard
I had the 6412 skip 11 minutes in the middle of another show, this time on a show that my wife was watching also. Needless to say, she wasn't happy. Does anyone have any idea why it is doing this?

Just a wild guess. I had my non-DVR moto box receive a software download sometime between 6 and 9 p.m. last week. I wasn't watching it at the time (I almost never have it on), but I couldn't believe they were doing that at that time of day.

Tivos will download software at just about any time, but won't install it until 2:00 a.m. (presumably only if something is not recording).

Thanks All for the help. I called Comcast and they won't provide me with one, not to mention they don't know what a transcoder is. I'll Check these links out.

Mason

Originally posted by Macoberly
Thanks All for the help. I called Comcast and they won't provide me with one, not to mention they don't know what a transcoder is. I'll Check these links out.

Mason

You don't have component in? You only have VGA?

took my older 5xxx box in because it was one of the ealier hd boxes without dvi on it. exchanged it for the 6208? or 62xx at least. (not the dvr) and man it is SLOW!

now when i change to a hd channel it sometimes takes like 2 or 3 seconds for the picture and can take up to 5 seconds for the audio...

is this normal?

my 6412 downstairs doesn't have this problem

even when i switch from hd to hd channel this happens

anybody?

dvi-hdmi on my panny ae700 is pure sweetness btw :D

took my older 5xxx box in because it was one of the ealier hd boxes without dvi on it. exchanged it for the 6208? or 62xx at least. (not the dvr) and man it is SLOW!

now when i change to a hd channel it sometimes takes like 2 or 3 seconds for the picture and can take up to 5 seconds for the audio...

is this normal?

my 6412 downstairs doesn't have this problem

even when i switch from hd to hd channel this happens

anybody?

dvi-hdmi on my panny ae700 is pure sweetness btw :D

sorry for the double-tap ;)

<<took my older 5xxx box in because it was one of the ealier hd boxes without dvi on it. exchanged it for the 6208? or 62xx at least. (not the dvr) and man it is SLOW!

now when i change to a hd channel it sometimes takes like 2 or 3 seconds for the picture and can take up to 5 seconds for the audio...

is this normal?>>

Yes, this has become normal since they installed the MICROSOFT tv guide a few weeks ago!

Originally posted by jimre
Well, if you want to blame a single party - then blame Comcast.
I do, Comcast shouldn't let Motorola and Microsoft unload a defective product on them, but since no one else is allowed to make a digital cable DVR, it doesn't really matter much, does it?

What exactly is an "Analog Digital Video Recorder"?
A digital recorder for analog TV.

Originally posted by WiFi-Spy
check this out a component to VGA adapter that supports HDTV resolutions under 100$

Won't Comcast be degrading the component output to non-HD resolution on July 1st to comply with the FCC broadcast flag?

I'm not sure anyone knows the answer to that, but I'd suspect not. First, it's an analog output, so not as great a concern. Second, the boxes are already set up to enforce HDCP through DVI, so if you're getting HD output through component now, I don't know why that would change.

Originally posted by tap
Won't Comcast be degrading the component output to non-HD resolution on July 1st to comply with the FCC broadcast flag? I keep hearing people say that's what the BF might mean. I can't imagine for a second it would be true. Can you say "massive class-action lawsuit"? Comcast might be big & slow, but they aren't stupid. They are still encouraging people to buy Component-only HDTVs to use their product. They are happily hooking them up right & left. IANAL, but unless they were already warning people NOT to do that, there's gotta be some liability there.

Originally posted by Weil


Yes, this has become normal since they installed the MICROSOFT tv guide a few weeks ago!

huh, that's lame, my old box had the microsoft guide on it, and it didn't slow down any

bummer :(

I thought my box switched channels faster after the MSFT change, but I don't use it much, so I could very well be mistaken.

sometime this weekend the anolog audio output stopped working on my STB. the digital audio works but not the anoloq. I have the digital going to my receiver and the anolog going to a seperate tv (with the s-video)...
was there an "upgrade" this weekend that might of screwed this up? or did my box just blow?....

Originally posted by tap
Won't Comcast be degrading the component output to non-HD resolution on July 1st to comply with the FCC broadcast flag?

I highly doubt it , as less than 50% of people have DVI in there HDTVs(plus comcast would have to replace alot of component cables with DVI ones..)

Don Wilkinson:

My sympathies during the NYPD Blue Hour. What on earth was that all about? The OTA actually went down and the HD worked!
Now I know you're on our side!!

Bob

Originally posted by rverginia
Don Wilkinson:

My sympathies during the NYPD Blue Hour. What on earth was that all about? The OTA actually went down and the HD worked!
Now I know you're on our side!!

Bob

I actually heard Dan Lewis apologize on the air for the OTA outage... and I saw that the normal (non-HD) broadcast for the 11PM news looked like a 16:9 image compressed horizontally into a 4:3 image.

Stevelee - Are you related to Dave Lee from Mercer Island?

Looking forward to hearing Don's description of that one. I saw Dan Lewis's apology as well. Pretty wild night for them.
When they got the OTA working, it did jump into the compressed image for a while. At the same time, the HD was doing a frame-by-frame thing. Pretty interesting.

Originally posted by Karyk
You don't have component in? You only have VGA?

Sorry, I've been gone a few days. Yes, It is a crt projector that only has rgbhv and s-video inputs. It's a thing of beauty, even though there is no dvi. I guess this whole issue is what creates such a market for hd boxes that have the vga out on ebay. I have until the end of April,when this $29.95 promotion ends, to figure out what to do I guess.

Mason

Originally posted by rverginia
Don Wilkinson:

My sympathies during the NYPD Blue Hour. What on earth was that all about? The OTA actually went down and the HD worked!
Now I know you're on our side!!

Bob

I have Dish Network and recorded both the SD (via Sat.) and the HD (Via OTA into Dish 921). I noticed a problem with the video going frame by frame, but audio was smooth. And then in about 6 or 7 places the video and audio cut out for a second then came back. When I quickly viewed the same scenes in SD (from Sat), they didn't have the problems. I just got this 921 and OTA antenna up and running 2 days ago. I figured the problem was related to the Dish 921. Are these problems what everyone saw? i.e. not a problem with my hardware?

Thanks

Originally posted by rverginia
Don Wilkinson:

My sympathies during the NYPD Blue Hour. What on earth was that all about? The OTA actually went down and the HD worked!
Now I know you're on our side!!

Bob

The problem originated with a failure of some equipment in the main program feed to the transmitters. The techs restored service by switching to the backup STL (studio - transmitter link) which put channel 4 and 4-1 OTA back in service, but did not correct the feeds to Comcast and DirecTV. It took a while to trace the problem, then to set up the correct aspect ratio on the emergency fix. Everything was restored to normal after 11:30 pm.

Another hole in the emergency procedures found.

Originally posted by robglasser
I have Dish Network and recorded both the SD (via Sat.) and the HD (Via OTA into Dish 921). I noticed a problem with the video going frame by frame, but audio was smooth. And then in about 6 or 7 places the video and audio cut out for a second then came back. When I quickly viewed the same scenes in SD (from Sat), they didn't have the problems. I just got this 921 and OTA antenna up and running 2 days ago. I figured the problem was related to the Dish 921. Are these problems what everyone saw? i.e. not a problem with my hardware?

Thanks
Rob, I saw the same symptoms that you described on my HD recording (from OTA) on my DirecTV HD TiVo. I did not check my wife's SD recording from DirecTV satellite, but it sounds like she might have encountered the problems that Don W. mentioned for the KOMO to DirecTV SD feed.

Originally posted by rverginia
Stevelee - Are you related to Dave Lee from Mercer Island?



Sorry, but I'm not. There are a bunch of us Steve Lee's running around the Eastside...

Originally posted by stevelee
...There are a bunch of us Steve Lee's running around the Eastside...
Another biotech cloning program gone bad...

Sorry, I couldn't resist. :D

From the KOMO Website - for those of you who missed NYPD Blue due to the issues at KOMO that night....

"PROGRAMMING NOTE: KOMO 4 will re-run last Tuesday's episode of NYPD Blue early Saturday morning at 1:08 a.m. Set your VCR from 1:00 a.m. to 2:15 a.m. and you'll be good to go."

Originally posted by quarque
Another biotech cloning program gone bad...

Sorry, I couldn't resist. :D

Just call me 'ping' (from the AARP clone commercial on Discovery Channel last night---correct race, wrong face!)

so i lost channel 107 on my box

i had it for like 3 days and it's gone

i called last night and they told me they're having huge issues with the new guide

in big red letters it said NOT to send signals to the box and do NOT have the customer power cycle the box (i did it anyway)

anybody else lose 107?

funny thing is, i have it on my other hd box

anybody else having issues?

I've noticed that there is no close captioning coming through on KIRO 107 (or 84-1). On both a Moto6412 and LG3510a, I'm seeing CC on the other HD channels but not KIRO. Other folks seeing this?

I also noticed that CSI had reversed the front and rear channels in stereo for the opening segment (you heard the background sound effects quite clear, and not the voices). They fixed it when they came back from break.

I noticed that, too... it was weird...

Originally posted by dubois-wa
I've noticed that there is no close captioning coming through on KIRO 107 (or 84-1). On both a Moto6412 and LG3510a, I'm seeing CC on the other HD channels but not KIRO. Other folks seeing this?

It seems to be a hit or miss thing right now, hopefully it is being worked on.

I have limited basic cable, connected to a Sharp Aquos LCD HDTV, and have just found out that the built-in ATSC tuner will pick up some Comcast DTV and HDTV without a cable box. While some of the stations are identified during the normal channel scan,

4.1 -- KOMO HD
9.1 -- KCTS DT
9.2 -- KCTS Kids
9.3 -- KCTS DT Learns
9.5 -- KCTS HD
13.1 -- KCPQ Digital
22.1 -- KTWB

other stations, are unidentified, but based on the content, are:

83.1 -- KING
83.2 -- KONG
84.2 -- KIRO
85.6 -- Discovery HD Theater
100.1 -- ???
106.x -- Music
108.11 -- Weather Channel
109.x -- Music
117.2 -- INHD
117.3 -- INHD2

Is there a list that details these cable channel assignments as picked up by an ATSC tuner without a Comcast tuner? All of Comcast's info assumes that you're using one of their tuners, so the assignments are different. Are there any others that I'm missing? I'm assuming that the other channels that are detected but which do not have video or audio are encrypted.

have just found out that the built-in ATSC tuner

stevelee: Are you sure that the Sharp unit you have is an ATSC Tuner?

Specs on many of the higher end Sharp Aquos televisions such as the LC-45GD4U list a QAM tuner.

It's encouraging to see that the QAM tuner of the Sharp will pick up the "extra" stations. Presumably these are unencrypted in your area. I've got a QAM tuner card for my PC on order, I certainly hope that I can receive these stations. From what I previously understood, Comcast was rebroadcasting the local stations unencrypted, but the InHD/Disco/etc were still encrypted and required the use of a box.

I almost pulled the trigger on a 26" Sharp Aquos unit, the LC-26GD6U, at Frys this weekend, but instead settled on a 32" Syntax Olevia LT32HV, which was on sale online. Cost of the 32" + tuner card was still less than the Sharp unit. The TV won't arrive for a week or so. I hope I don't regret my purchase! :-)

Originally posted by Steveo369
stevelee: Are you sure that the Sharp unit you have is an ATSC Tuner?

Specs on many of the higher end Sharp Aquos televisions such as the LC-45GD4U list a QAM tuner.



I think we're both right :p My manual says that it supports the ATSC/NTSC system as the TV standard, and Digital cable uses 64/256 QAM for channels 1-135.

I *love* my Sharp!

I have limited basic cable also with the Comcast supplied box (not the dvr) to receive the high-def channels. Noticed this morning that Discovery HD, INHD and INHD2 are now available to me at no additional cost. They used to require a subscription.

Originally posted by Nausicaa
I also noticed that CSI had reversed the front and rear channels in stereo for the opening segment (you heard the background sound effects quite clear, and not the voices). They fixed it when they came back from break.

Same glitch with CSI: Miami last night, as well. Again, fixed when they came back from the first commercial. No problems with CSI: Miami or CSI: New York last week...

Originally posted by stevelee

85.6 -- Discovery HD Theater
100.1 -- ???
106.x -- Music
108.11 -- Weather Channel
109.x -- Music
117.2 -- INHD
117.3 -- INHD2



Did I speak too quickly? I can't get INHD/INHD2, Discovery HD and 100.1 now...

I also lost INHD. Being that I never watch analog/ntsc channels, and I get all the locals via ATSC/OTA. I'm strongly considering dropping Comcast service completely... I'm sick of paying for all these analog channels I never watch!

Could it possibly be that someone from local Comcast monitors this thread? Maybe they saw the comments here about InHD and Discovery HD and realized they were not encrypted.
I would like to think that they had a free weekend of something like HBO this past weekend and the channels disappeared because the weekend was over.
Oh well, I enjoyed the stuff on Discovery HD for a few days.

Originally posted by ddz
Could it possibly be that someone from local Comcast monitors this thread? Maybe they saw the comments here about InHD and Discovery HD and realized they were not encrypted.


Yeah, sorry 'bout that. It *was* nice while it lasted... I still like the other HD channels that are out there... much preferred to the SD versions...

Originally posted by scenic
I also lost INHD. Being that I never watch analog/ntsc channels, and I get all the locals via ATSC/OTA. I'm strongly considering dropping Comcast service completely... I'm sick of paying for all these analog channels I never watch!

It's only about $2.95 per month for limited basic if you also have cable Internet (and don't need an HD box--which is $5.95 or so).

Originally posted by stevelee
IIs there a list that details these cable channel assignments as picked up by an ATSC tuner without a Comcast tuner? All of Comcast's info assumes that you're using one of their tuners, so the assignments are different. Are there any others that I'm missing? I'm assuming that the other channels that are detected but which do not have video or audio are encrypted.

There's no list that I'm aware of, other than the one you created. And I believe Comcast will sometimes change them around. The boxes are sent the information, but you have to figure it out again if you're not using a box.

Originally posted by Karyk
It's only about $2.95 per month for limited basic if you also have cable Internet (and don't need an HD box--which is $5.95 or so).

That's with the $10 rebate/mo. for having multiple products (I have that). But Limited Basic Cable doesn't provide you with INHD/INHD2 or Discovery HD... what I have is Limited Basic (limited SD channels, DTV and HDTV versions of mainly the OTA stations).

I believe Comcast charges about $10 more for all the non-premium HD channels. Whatever it is, it's more than I want to pay. I might have been offered a better deal when I first signed up--I seem to recall it being only $5.00 a month more, but when I called to add them I was given a number that was too high (considering I was mainly only interested in a football game a week).

I watched a couple of shows that I recorded earlier this week from the DVR and it only recorded about 20 minutes from each program! I wasn't too happy about this and now worry about when I record something important.

Is survivor in high def yet?

Originally posted by jsmbluecar
Is survivor in high def yet?

No.

Who wants to see all that fat and pussing open wounds in HiDef?

Originally posted by hinten
Who wants to see all that fat and pussing open wounds in HiDef?

You'd have loved last night's HD broadcast of CSI... *worf* :)

CSI: New York was pretty gruesome, as well, for that matter...

lol, Is that a maggot where your face used to be?

I've completely given up on this set of nonsense, especially since they can't get the guy at the audio switch to stay awake.

CSI and CSI New York were okay this week (least in stereo). No rear-channel/front-channel swap like last week.

ireported this problem like 3 weeks ago, where the action if switching on my moto non dvr box to ESPNHD and some of the higher HD channels (now also KIRO) takes 30 seconds, sometimes MINUTES to come on, sometimes with audio lag as well.

anyone still getting this? THIS is getting VERY frustrating.

My 6412 switches between HD, SD and analog channels in just a second or two. I have not seen any unusual delays at all.

I bought a Fusion HDTV 3 T but I am having some trouble getting it to decode any digital channel. I think it found NBC on 83.1 and Fox on 81.1. I can hear broken up audio, but mostly see no video. I see a video frame only now and then. Signal strength around 27 dB. I tried to record one minute, and the recorded .ts file plays with stuttering video and no audio.

Has anyone had any similar problems? Could there be a hardware problem with my card.

Software version: 2.99.05 (3.0 beta 2). I also tried the included CD version 2.80 without any better luck.

(I can record HD TS streams via firewire from the STB without any problems)

Originally posted by klillevo
I bought a Fusion HDTV 3 T but I am having some trouble getting it to decode any digital channel. I think it found NBC on 83.1 and Fox on 81.1. I can hear broken up audio, but mostly see no video. I see a video frame only now and then. Signal strength around 27 dB. I tried to record one minute, and the recorded .ts file plays with stuttering video and no audio.

Has anyone had any similar problems? Could there be a hardware problem with my card.

Software version: 2.99.05 (3.0 beta 2). I also tried the included CD version 2.80 without any better luck.

(I can record HD TS streams via firewire from the STB without any problems)

I had the same problem only worse. It would not detect ANY digital channels. Fortunately, I have several cable connections to choose from. I switched over to a cleaner line (one with less splitters, the one I run my cable modem on) and voila!, the card picked it up. You need a better signal.

Originally posted by jameskollar
I had the same problem only worse. It would not detect ANY digital channels. Fortunately, I have several cable connections to choose from. I switched over to a cleaner line (one with less splitters, the one I run my cable modem on) and voila!, the card picked it up. You need a better signal.
Unfortunately I can not get the signal any cleaner. There is only one splitter outside the house, going to the cable modem on one side, and the HD card on the other. The STB has no trouble with any of the digital channels, it used to though when there more splitters ahead of it.

When scanning channels, the Fusion card easily finds the digital channels, all coming in at 99-100% signal strength.

Originally posted by klillevo
Unfortunately I can not get the signal any cleaner. There is only one splitter outside the house, going to the cable modem on one side, and the HD card on the other. The STB has no trouble with any of the digital channels, it used to though when there more splitters ahead of it.

When scanning channels, the Fusion card easily finds the digital channels, all coming in at 99-100% signal strength.

Just did a scan. When done heres what I got. 'Course you know to use 1000MHz splitters, not 900MHz. One last suggestion is to get a barrel connector(s) and temporarily take out any splitters between the cabe drop and your card. If that helps, you may want to ask Comcast to run another drop to your house. Good luck!

Thanks. I got the exact same channel lineup except D121. But no improvement in demodulating them. I will try get a barrel connector and see if removing the one splitter helps.

Are there members in this area (Seattle, S. Snohomish) with 9.15? If not , is it expected for us soon? Hoping it will avoid the FF and delay problems.

Originally posted by klillevo
Thanks. I got the exact same channel lineup except D121. But no improvement in demodulating them. I will try get a barrel connector and see if removing the one splitter helps.
No luck with the barrel connector either. I was pretty sure the signal was OK, so I moved the card from my HTPC to my workstation PC, and there everything works great, even with a weaker signal (split twice). I guess I will not be able to figure out why it does not work in the HTPC (a Shuttle small form factor PC). Maybe its one and only PCI port is somehow incompatible, or too close to the video card. In any case, having the card in the workstation is probably a better solution anyway. Now I can record two HD shows in parallel :) Firewire on HTPC and Fusion on the workstation.

Originally posted by klillevo
No luck with the barrel connector either. I was pretty sure the signal was OK, so I moved the card from my HTPC to my workstation PC, and there everything works great, even with a weaker signal (split twice). I guess I will not be able to figure out why it does not work in the HTPC (a Shuttle small form factor PC). Maybe its one and only PCI port is somehow incompatible, or too close to the video card. In any case, having the card in the workstation is probably a better solution anyway. Now I can record two HD shows in parallel :) Firewire on HTPC and Fusion on the workstation.

Happy to hear you worked it out! Do you suspect that MS Media Center (I assume thats what you meant by HTPC) is to blame? In any case, I have an ulterior motive in seeing the DVico card work. I've written software that can schedule recordings on several types of PC TV capture cards (soon to be just about any PC capture card) and just about any OTA, cable or satellite STB from a single consolidated guide. I'll be adding support for the Fusion card shortly. If you (or any others) are interested in beta testing my software check out ReplayNT (http://www.nightthunder.com)

Cool, I will check out your software, but the link you provided does not resolve. I don't use my TiVo anymore after I found the ability to record HD on the PC, and firewire scheduling is a pain, I have yet to see how TitanTV/Fusion works, but I don't think it works too well when I get my channels via cable.

No, I did not mean MS Media Center.. HTPC is simply my small form factor Shuttle cube connected to a Samsung 46" DLP via DVI. It's running normal Windows XP, and I could not be happier with the DVD and HD quality achievable via ffdshow and reclock tools ;)

My bad :( Link fixed in above post.

Originally posted by jameskollar
Happy to hear you worked it out! Do you suspect that MS Media Center (I assume thats what you meant by HTPC) is to blame? In any case, I have an ulterior motive in seeing the DVico card work. I've written software that can schedule recordings on several types of PC TV capture cards (soon to be just about any PC capture card) and just about any OTA, cable or satellite STB from a single consolidated guide. I'll be adding support for the Fusion card shortly. If you (or any others) are interested in beta testing my software check out ReplayNT (http://www.nightthunder.com)

What HD cards do you support? There are four main ones in use: MyHD, Fusion, Access and the ATI model.

Also, how do you manage to do this for free?

Has anyone seen any signs of any of the analog channels being digitally simulcast? I've only done infrequent random spot checks, and haven't seen anything. Are there any indications of Comcast's plans/schedule for Seattle in this area?

Formula One resumes this week, and if we can't have HD (like NASCAR), at least it would be nice to have a cleaner signal.

Originally posted by wareagle
Formula One resumes this week, and if we can't have HD (like NASCAR), at least it would be nice to have a cleaner signal.

I wonder if Bernie will haul his defunct digital broadcast equipment to the races carried by CBS. I'd love to see those in HD.

Originally posted by Karyk
What HD cards do you support? There are four main ones in use: MyHD, Fusion, Access and the ATI model.

Also, how do you manage to do this for free?

Currently, I do not know which ones I support. :confused: My idea is that there is a commonality in these cards that I can take advantage of. For example, if I know that certain keystrokes and mouse clicks can predictably cause a show to record using the manufacturers' software, then I can "support" that card (caveat, mouse clicks not currently supported, coming soon). The DVico card presents special problems since as far as I can tell there is no way to "keystroke" the subchannels on QAM channels. This will require a specialized solution for this card which I am currently working on.

I can do this for free because right now this is just a hobby. It helps keep me on top of my programming skills and the program is useful to me. Of course I reserve the right to charge for it someday, but right now that is a long ways off....

The fix has been made to eliminate the 30 second sound delay for ESPN on the non DVR HD boxes. I have one ADDITIONAL request. They screwed up the sound setting for the OSCARs and they just did it again. Quit resetting the sound to its default setting. I don't have a surround sound system connected and heavy compression may or may not be the best setting! How about a warning that a download has occurred and that a viewer/user had best check all of the settings or even a manual (PTSOP) that explains these settings.

Off topic, but of interest.

Cablevision Shuts Down Voom Service
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/050301/cablevision_voom_3.html

Also, off topic, but of interest. Sony apparently has a cablecard HD DVR out, with a $600 MSRP. Not dual tuner, but hopefully that means Tivo isn't far behind.

Do you guys have to send the signal from the cable box to the card, or do you just hook up the cable directly?

Originally posted by jameskollar
I had the same problem only worse. It would not detect ANY digital channels. Fortunately, I have several cable connections to choose from. I switched over to a cleaner line (one with less splitters, the one I run my cable modem on) and voila!, the card picked it up. You need a better signal.

Direct to the card.

Thanks!

Originally posted by Karyk
Direct to the card.

Did anyone else experience multiple breakups during House on 113 last night? I did a 6412 PVR recording, and it had an uncanny instinct for breaking up during the critical medical discussions.

My wife wants to ditch digital, and go back to videotape. I'm trying to differentiate between source problems, Comcast problems, and signal problems at my end. Thanks.

Has anyone experienced issues when trying to see what programs are on the next day or next week? Using the silver remote for the Comcast DVR box. When trying to press the next day button all I get is the play icon on the upper right side of the TV screen. This started about 2 weeks ago. Happening on both DVR boxes. Called Comcast but they don't have a clue as to why this is occuring.

Originally posted by drbenson
Did anyone else experience multiple breakups during House on 113 last night? I did a 6412 PVR recording, and it had an uncanny instinct for breaking up during the critical medical discussions.

My wife wants to ditch digital, and go back to videotape. I'm trying to differentiate between source problems, Comcast problems, and signal problems at my end. Thanks.

No problems with "House" during my over-the-air recording from KCPQ-DT on my HR10-250, so it doubt the problem you saw originated with KCPQ.

I saw House the other night and don't remember any problems. I've started videotaping -a few- shows from analog just so I don't miss them.

why does comcast NBC HD look "darker" than other networks on projector?

i thought it was my projector, but then i got another one and it's the same deal. what is up with this? anybody else see this? does NBC need to up their lighting budget or what?


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why does comcast NBC HD look "darker" than other networks on projector?

i thought it was my projector, but then i got another one and it's the same deal. what is up with this? anybody else see this? does NBC need to up their lighting budget or what?


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NBC is darker on my display, too. I had thought it had something to do with my setup. I had noticed it both OTH and on Comcast. I wonder why.

Are you saying all NBC? West Wing tends to be dark, but I can't say I notice other programming being dark (although I don't watch a lot of NBC).

Yes, all of NBC's filmed programs appear (to me, at least) darker, in general, than filmed programming on the other nets.

yeah, not all programming just 100% of primetime

I think not even 100% of primetime. I think some of the programs shot on video don't look so dark.

I thought the CBS programs (especially "CSI: wherever") were all too dark, but West Wing makes it appear that the White House staff works in an unlighted cave. Indoor shots in most programs are too dark, especially when the director gets moody and gives everything a blue tint.

Originally posted by wareagle
I thought the CBS programs (especially "CSI: wherever") were all too dark,

That's the first time I've every heard anyone say that. Those are usually given as examples of shows that are brightly lit.

I'm wondering if others are noticing the same thing that I am. I'm watching college basketball on 107 and it seems very digital to me. The movements are not that smooth and the picture just looks digital. Of course, the picture is much clearer than 7 on my HD 34XBR but the picture on 7 is noticeably smoother. I'll add that the analog picture on my analog 25 inch XBR is the best of all. Also, just checked BB on 104, that looks good? What gives with 107?

Will the nonHD digital picture on a digital television ever match the analog signal on a great analog television?

Art

Originally posted by artseattle
I'm wondering if others are noticing the same thing that I am. I'm watching college basketball on 107 and it seems very digital to me. The movements are not that smooth and the picture just looks digital. Of course, the picture is much clearer than 7 on my HD 34XBR but the picture on 7 is noticeably smoother. I'll add that the analog picture on my analog 25 inch XBR is the best of all. Also, just checked BB on 104, that looks good? What gives with 107?

Will the nonHD digital picture on a digital television ever match the analog signal on a great analog television?

Art

Same here. 107 seems very interlaced when there is action; watching NC/Duke right now and the picture is pretty good when things slow down like when someone is shooting free throws, but when there is action or the camera pans, picture is pretty bad. I think this was discussed earlier in this thread, I have no explanation.

In South King County (Kent), Channel 107 and 173 disappeared around noon. Now 104, 105, 106, 107, and 173 are gone. The previous two Sundays they also disappeared for several hours. Sam

Originally posted by hendjaz
Anything new on any of the Mariners broadcasts being shown in HD this year on a regular basis on Comcast, other than an occasional espn-hd Sunday game or fox-hd Saturday afternoon game? Sounds like last summer's experiment with the Japan station feed wasn't too successful (due to the audio non-synch). Anything better on the HD horizon for M's games in 05?

How is the SD PQ for Mariners games on FSN on Comcast? Thanks.


Any news on this topic?

In this forum, I read about channel 100 televising Mariner games in HD, does anyone know if that will continue for 2005 season?

Well, we've still got Ichiro, so I would assume that we'll get a few HD Mariners games on 100.

Is channel 100 a service they enable during the season? I just checked and my comcast box gives me '???'

Originally posted by Ice725
Is channel 100 a service they enable during the season? I just checked and my comcast box gives me '???'

Typically it has some type of a message, although that might be the schedule of upcoming games or something. It's pretty boring most the time.

Weak signal and non-communicating box (Motorola 6200)

Comcast is coming to check my system (in South King) as I get drop outs for 107-173) and On Demand errors every afternoon. I removed my splitter that feeds a vcr and fm tuner and the situation improved; but, ESPN (173) still dropped out for a while. This is a recent development as I used to be able to watch trouble free.

Could Comcast be doing something that weakens the signal in the afternoons??

Also, they tell me that my box does not communicate with their central system; but, On Demand seems to allow me to select and watch free movies. Is their statement true??
sam

I don't remember them turning channel 100 off during the off season last year. I wouldn't be surprised if they put the Mariners games in channel 181. It just says special events all the time now that the NFL season is over.

My, this forum has been quiet since Comcast finally got CBS straightened out!

Does anyone have a contact at KIRO engineering? My wife uses closed captioning, and except for an occasional phrase, the captioning does not appear onscreen during CBS HD programming. The CC announcement (closed captioning by...) does appear at the end of the program, but nothing useful during the program itself. Thanks.

Originally posted by Karyk
Also, off topic, but of interest. Sony apparently has a cablecard HD DVR out, with a $600 MSRP. Not dual tuner, but hopefully that means Tivo isn't far behind.

Note that with the current Cablecard spec, dual tuners would require 2 CableCards, which Comcast would charge 2 HD receiver fees for. Tivo said at CES not to expect their Cablecard box until 2006.

Originally posted by randosel
What equipment is currently being used here? Presumably by "here" you mean Seattle area, since this is the Seattle thread.What guide is being used?MSTV Foundation Edition. See this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=467203) for details.DVR: Model? capacity? Firewire? DVI/HDMI active?Motorola 6412, 80GB, Firewire-yes, DVI-yes, HDMI (not available)HDSTB: Model? Firewire? DVI/HDMI active?Motorola 6200, Firewire-yes, DVI-yes, HDMI (not available)Any 5c issues at all? Any low bitrates on channels that prevents recording the D-VHS? Basically I have multiple D-VHS decks and would like to offload programming already recorded from the DVR or just straight to D-VHS from a HD STB. 5C copy protection is enabled over firewire for all digital channels, except local HD stations. But with a 5C-compliant device - like JVC30K D-VHS - you can record protected HD content to tape.Any issues controlling/programming a D-VHS deck with the guide on the STBs?AFAIK, the firewire implementation is one-way only - essentially live output of what's being displayed. No control capability that I'm aware of.

Originally posted by jimre
Motorola 6412, 80GB

The 6412 is 120GB.

Originally posted by randosel
Wow! Thanks for all your help guys. Much appreciated!

And, for ~$50 you can buy a USB IR Emitter/Learner and use ReplayNT (http://www.nightthunder.com) to control your JVC and Moto boxes.

Originally posted by wareagle
The 6412 is 120GB. Oops, you're right. It just *seems* like only 80GB....

Originally posted by drbenson
My, this forum has been quiet since Comcast finally got CBS straightened out!

Does anyone have a contact at KIRO engineering? My wife uses closed captioning, and except for an occasional phrase, the captioning does not appear onscreen during CBS HD programming. The CC announcement (closed captioning by...) does appear at the end of the program, but nothing useful during the program itself. Thanks.

We do need a contact at KIRO. I agree, the CC is very bad, mostly non-existent on 1o7. Real bummer for us who need it. Has your wife tried 'TV Ears'? I use them and they really do help. far better than others I have tried - I am not associated with the company so take it for what its worth.

Comcast to get TiVo service

Comcast threw a life preserver to struggling TiVo yesterday, agreeing to pay the pioneer of digital video recorders to develop a service for Comcast's 21.5 million cable-TV customers.

The agreement will bring TiVo innovations to Comcast's digital video recorders, or DVRs, including software that can anticipate what a viewer wants to see.

But the TiVo technology will come only as a premium service, Comcast said, at a yet-to-be-determined fee on top of the regular monthly cable bill.

Full details at: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002208957_tivocomcast16.html

Personally, I am ecstatic. I still keep my TiVo to handle all my analog recording (the 6412 does HD and Digital) because the interface is so much more elegant.

No doubt Comcast will make sure there's no way to use or even hack a 30-second skip on their "Tivo" box.

Did anyone else experience constant, annoying audio dropouts while watching American Idol last night?

James Kollar replies in the other AVS Forum (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=5334309#post5334309) that the audio drops were also found OTA

Originally posted by jimre
No doubt Comcast will make sure there's no way to use or even hack a 30-second skip on their "Tivo" box.

I'm sure it will be less hackable, but 30 second skip is not nearly as nice as the normal Tivo FF with variable fallback depending on FF speed. I wish my MyHD card could FF like a Tivo. Instead it only FF/REW's in user specified increments. That's a PITA. I really don't understand why anyone would think 30 second skip is preferable.

I'd suggest signing up for the Tivo Beta program (Google Tivo Beta), and keeping your profile up to date, because they do not currently ask which cable company you do have access to, but I'm sure that will be changing.

Not sure what the "Tivo Beta Program" has to do with the Comcast deal. It seems pretty clear to me this deal will result in a Comcast 64xx-type box running Tivo front-end apps instead of MSTV or IGuide. It won't be a real "Tivo" product. It will still be only available for lease from Comcast, and it will be crippled to Comcast's exact specifications.

Originally posted by jimre
Not sure what the "Tivo Beta Program" has to do with the Comcast deal. It seems pretty clear to me this deal will result in a Comcast 64xx-type box running Tivo front-end apps instead of MSTV or IGuide. It won't be a real "Tivo" product. It will still be only available for lease from Comcast, and it will be crippled to Comcast's exact specifications.

Tivo will undoubtely run a beta program on the Moto boxes. They aren't going to just dump the Tivo software onto the existing boxes and hope everything works. Signing up for the beta will allow you to use the software earlier, assuming they pick you as a beta tester.

I don't know whether Tivo would actually supply the box--I'd suspect it would be a pure software beta.

Also, there presumably will be a cablecard beta going on, if one isn't going on already. That would be a hardware beta, which has other advantages! :p

Originally posted by Karyk
Tivo will undoubtely run a beta program on the Moto boxes. You're dreaming. Tivo is merely supplying a software component to Comcast in this case. This will be Comcast's product, not Tivo's. As usual, Comcast will run a limited beta test with employees only, then dump it on us.

Originally posted by jimre
You're dreaming. Tivo is merely supplying a software component to Comcast in this case. This will be Comcast's product, not Tivo's. As usual, Comcast will run a limited beta test with employees only, then dump it on us.

I don't think Tivo would risk it's name allowing someone else to run a beta of it's software. That's not to say that it's beta program will catch every problem. I guess we'll know who is right when Tivo updates it's beta application to not only ask whether you have cable, but who your provider is.

What's really interesting to me is why Comcast would make any deal with TiVO. It is certainly not for the hardware- the Motorola box, as bad as it may be, does more or less the same thing as TiVO. And either box has the same limitation of all current generation boxes: the ability to handle a responsible, say 40 hours, worth of HDTV storage. RePlayTV was an option because of its built-in networking capabilities (for off-box data storage). But DNNA, the latest in a series of RTV owners, apparently as rightfully decided to abandon the unprofiable low-end market and will sell only high-end machines.

So did Comcast make the deal with TiVO for its software. Now while TiVO's software may be better than the curent generation of Microsoft's FE, do not, I repeat, do not expect Microsoft to rollover and play dead. There are some very bright people involved with the project--and there are no questions about its upper level leadership.

So what's left: TiVO's customer base???

Originally posted by burger23
What's really interesting to me is why Comcast would make any deal with TiVO. ... Because Tivo is financially desperate, and Comcast sensed they could pick up some "brand name goodwill" at a bargain-basement price.

Originally posted by burger23
What's really interesting to me is why Comcast would make any deal with TiVO. It is certainly not for the hardware- the Motorola box, as bad as it may be, does more or less the same thing as TiVO. And either box has the same limitation of all current generation boxes: the ability to handle a responsible, say 40 hours, worth of HDTV storage. RePlayTV was an option because of its built-in networking capabilities (for off-box data storage). But DNNA, the latest in a series of RTV owners, apparently as rightfully decided to abandon the unprofiable low-end market and will sell only high-end machines.

So did Comcast make the deal with TiVO for its software. Now while TiVO's software may be better than the curent generation of Microsoft's FE, do not, I repeat, do not expect Microsoft to rollover and play dead. There are some very bright people involved with the project--and there are no questions about its upper level leadership.

I don't think the boxes are a profit item, so for Tivo to be able to make software for existing boxes is a plus for Tivo.

As to MSFT, I don't share the same confidence you do in them. While I actually like XP, on the software side their work often leaves a lot to be desired. For example, Word isn't where it is because it's a great intuative program, it's where it is due to mistakes by MSFT competitors. And while Windows MCE is apparently a pretty good product as far as computer based DVRs go, it has some issues indicating MSFT really has some thinking to do (e.g. requiring an analog tuner is a brain dead decision as far as I'm concerned). Finally, how good can the MSFT people be dealing with the Moto box when they don't even check if the turn on/off clock function works? :)

But really, what I think it offers is a great way for Comcast to compete with DirecTV. DirecTV is going to have a lot of PO'd customers when they switch to MPEG-4 for certain HD programming. You're choice will possibly be to spend more $$$ on an updated HD DVR that might not even be a Tivo, or go to Comcast and get an HD Tivo for a monthly fee. After a lot of people spent $700-$1,000 on DirecTV's HD Tivos, and then about a year later DirecTV makes an announcement that the HD Tivos will be obsolete, I think the choice would be obvious.

Originally posted by Karyk
... Finally, how good can the MSFT people be dealing with the Moto box when they don't even check if the turn on/off clock function works? :) ... And you think somehow Tivo will have an easier time than MSFT did making their software work properly on brain-dead Moto hardware, embedded within a brain-dead Comcast server network? I say - be prepared for the worst "Tivo" implementation ever....

Originally posted by jimre
And you think somehow Tivo will have an easier time than MSFT did making their software work properly on brain-dead Moto hardware, embedded within a brain-dead Comcast server network? I say - be prepared for the worst "Tivo" implementation ever....

Well, that's always possible, but using another example, the people do make a difference. That other example: HDTV PC cards in the Windows PC environment. The MIT people have good beta programs that beat the socks off the DIVCO final version software.

BTW, in addition to messing up the clock, MSFT also totally messed up the sound on the MOTO box. I really don't think they've done a good job at all.

...the people do make a difference... With all of top-level TiVO abandoning the ship, the question is do they have a rudder to steer with, let alone a captain???

Originally posted by burger23
What's really interesting to me is why Comcast would make any deal with TiVO. It is certainly not for the hardware- the Motorola box, as bad as it may be, does more or less the same thing as TiVO. And either box has the same limitation of all current generation boxes: the ability to handle a responsible, say 40 hours, worth of HDTV storage. RePlayTV was an option because of its built-in networking capabilities (for off-box data storage). But DNNA, the latest in a series of RTV owners, apparently as rightfully decided to abandon the unprofiable low-end market and will sell only high-end machines.

So did Comcast make the deal with TiVO for its software. Now while TiVO's software may be better than the curent generation of Microsoft's FE, do not, I repeat, do not expect Microsoft to rollover and play dead. There are some very bright people involved with the project--and there are no questions about its upper level leadership.

So what's left: TiVO's customer base???

IMHO, Microsoft has proven repeatedly that they are unable to develop a successful application with a truly intuitive user interface. I use both Mac's (OS X) and PCs (Win 2000 and Win XP Pro). Microsoft is still unable to match the user-friendliness of the Mac environment, which passes through to the applications that run in that environment. IMHO, Microsoft Office products are more user friendly on the Mac platform than on the Windows platform (I use them both).

Relating those experiences to the DVR world, TiVo is the Mac equivalent, and Microsoft is still (and may always be) catching up, both technically and in user friendliness.

Of course, these are just my opinions, based on the PC/Mac comparison, and as a multi-TiVo owner. I have no experience with any Microsoft-based DVR, but what I read here tells me that there is still a major difference between the industry leader (TiVo) and the Microsoft attempts to catch up.

Now, I would be happy to be proven wrong here, because that means more options and more serious competition for HD DVR capabilities, both single box and whole house. What we need to also watch is the DirecTV TiVo replacements. I also feel that they will lag TiVo in features and user friendliness. Time will tell.

...the industry leader (TiVo)... Sorry, I respectively disagree. RePlayTV is a vastly superior product. With its native networking ability, and a great freeware software product called DVArchive (http://www.dvarchive.org) I have over 300 shows, nearly 500GB, available to watch on my TV at a push of my remote control button. BUT..., as I mentioned, RePlayTV is leaving the low-end market, so we need to prepare for Plan B (and RTV is analog, not digital).

While many of your points on Microsoft may/or may not be correct, my point is don't think they are going to rollover and play dead and let TiVO replace them as Comcast software providers.

Originally posted by burger23
While many of your points on Microsoft may/or may not be correct, my point is don't think they are going to rollover and play dead and let TiVO replace them as Comcast software providers.

They aren't being replaced. They will be the standard and Tivo will be an option.

BTW, a lot of what you say about Tivo vs. Replay is the result of Tivo taking a safer position legally.

They aren't being replaced. They will be the standard and Tivo will be an option Good point :) It will be interesting to watch it play out

a lot of what you say about Tivo vs. Replay is the result of Tivo taking a safer position legally You are undoubtedly correct here, too-although DNNA did seem to pacify the TV industry when it removed it's totally automatic commercial skip on it's latest 5500 series.

Originally posted by Karyk
BTW, in addition to messing up the clock, MSFT also totally messed up the sound on the MOTO box. I really don't think they've done a good job at all. And exactly how is the sound "totally messed up"?

I'll grant that Tivo is a lot like Macintosh in that - in the past - they've had total design control over the entire platform: 1) the hardware , 2) the software, and 3) the EPG delivery network (except for DirecTivo). My previous point is that now, with the Comcast deal, it looks like they will have control over only one of these things - the software. Even that will likely just be the user interface "eye-candy" over the top of Motorola's GIOS operating system. Tivo will be a lot more like Microsoft in this case, and a lot less like Apple (heh-heh, in fact a lot like the OLD Microsoft, with the user interface running on top of clunky old DOS). Time will tell how brilliant they will look after this project....

Originally posted by jimre
And exactly how is the sound "totally messed up"?

First, it keeps changing to heavy compression. I'm not sure if this is due to new software downloading and changing back to the default, or if it just never saves the changes.

Second, it's too damn soft, regardless of the compression.

Both of these are since the MSFT software came down.

Originally posted by jimre
I'll grant that Tivo is a lot like Macintosh in that - in the past - they've had total design control over the entire platform: 1) the hardware , 2) the software, and 3) the EPG delivery network (except for DirecTivo). My previous point is that now, with the Comcast deal, it looks like they will have control over only one of these things - the software. Even that will likely just be the user interface "eye-candy" over the top of Motorola's GIOS operating system.

It will be interesting to see how much freedom Comcast gives Tivo. But assuming the MOTO box can run off some other OS, that would require Tivo to reprogram the non-Tivo functions, such as the pointless On Demand functions. It would probably be a lot easier to port the Tivo software to the existing OS. Unless the OS is prone to crashing, I'm not sure what it would matter much.

Originally posted by jimre
I'll grant that Tivo is a lot like Macintosh in that - in the past - they've had total design control over the entire platform: 1) the hardware , 2) the software, and 3) the EPG delivery network (except for DirecTivo). My previous point is that now, with the Comcast deal, it looks like they will have control over only one of these things - the software. Even that will likely just be the user interface "eye-candy" over the top of Motorola's GIOS operating system. Tivo will be a lot more like Microsoft in this case, and a lot less like Apple (heh-heh, in fact a lot like the OLD Microsoft, with the user interface running on top of clunky old DOS). Time will tell how brilliant they will look after this project....

Good points.

I do have some personal experience with replicating a successful application (defined by working functionality and high user acceptance) from one operating system/environment to another one that is very different. There will always be issues of strengths, weaknesses and deficiencies between OS's that will make it impossible to fully replicate the original. Add to that the design control/influence from Comcast, and, as you predict, we will not likely see the whole TiVo that we have and like today.

I guess all we can do for now is watch and wait. But I would not favor paying a premium to Comcast for a TiVo implementation that is incomplete and/or clunky. Time will tell.

It's not even just the normal difficulty in porting it from one OS to another. It's porting it from a platform CUSTOM-DESIGNED EXPLICITLY TO RUN YOUR APP, to one that you have little control over. That's way worse....

Originally posted by Karyk
It will be interesting to see how much freedom Comcast gives Tivo. But assuming the MOTO box can run off some other OS, that would require Tivo to reprogram the non-Tivo functions, such as the pointless On Demand functions. It would probably be a lot easier to port the Tivo software to the existing OS. Unless the OS is prone to crashing, I'm not sure what it would matter much. I believe the OnDemand system is supplied to Comcast by a separate company, SeaChange (www.schange.com). They must have some type of client library or DLL that the set-top application software calls, to talk to the SeaChange VOD server. Tivo will certainly be required to include this SeaChange OnDemand functionality in their UI for Comcast. This means there will have to be a SeaChange library for whatever OS the Tivo software runs on. You're right, it would be a lot easier to use the same version of this library (for Motorola GIOS) that's already being used by Comcast in the existing 64xx boxes. I also think Comcast would want to keep the core firmware/OS the same among all their 64xx boxes to ensure consistent diagnostics, setup, provisioning, etc.

Originally posted by Budget_HT
Add to that the design control/influence from Comcast, and, as you predict, we will not likely see the whole TiVo that we have and like today.

I wonder how much of the different attitudes on this have to do with my having a DTivo. I'm used to DirecTV restricting what a Tivo does. About the only "advanced" function they allow is "Folders" which is hardly a great technological advance.

If you had a SA Tivo, with networking support and TTG, you'd be a bit more concerned about what a Comcast Tivo would be like.

Don't get me wrong. I consider a DTivo to be the superior choice to an SA Tivo for reasons that pertain to PQ, recording time and tuner issues. It's just crippled by DirecTV, but is still superior.

Well, the attitudes about the Tivo/Comcast deal certainly range from wildly optimistic to wildly skeptical (me). It's not just that Comcast (like DirecTV)may disallow certain advanced features - there's also the distinct possibility the platform wil be buggy & unstable (unlike a "real" Tivo). At least with DirecTivo, Tivo designed the reference hardware platform for their software to run on. That won't be the case if they have to jam their software onto an existing Motorola platform -- and inherit all the Motorola firmware/GIOS bugs.

I don't know if TiVO is going to be able to pull off everything Comcast wants. My guess is that the reason the Microsoft solution is called Microsoft Foundation instead of something like MicrosoftPVR is because it goes much deeper than putting PVR functionality on a Moto box.

I think MS is looking at the entire solution space (OnDemand, PPV, Interactivity with the Internet, streaming in the home, offering services, integration with the head end, billing, etc) and building all the pieces needed to totally solve the problem and enable new applications and revenue sources for the cable companies. TiVO is "just" a PVR. TiVO has started reaching out to developers and expanding their platform but I think they don't have the resources to invest like MS has.

To answer your next question, No, I don't work at Microsoft.

Originally posted by metz520
...My guess is that the reason the Microsoft solution is called Microsoft Foundation instead of something like MicrosoftPVR is because it goes much deeper than putting PVR functionality on a Moto box.

I think MS is looking at the entire solution space (OnDemand, PPV, Interactivity with the Internet, streaming in the home, offering services, integration with the head end, billing, etc) and building all the pieces needed to totally solve the problem and enable new applications and revenue sources for the cable companies. TiVO is "just" a PVR. TiVO has started reaching out to developers and expanding their platform but I think they don't have the resources to invest like MS has. ... It's called "Foundation Edition" because it's a very scaled-back version of the full MSTV interactive-TV platform they were touting a couple years ago. Alternate names might have been "MSTV Express", "MSTV-light", or "The Crippled Version", I suppose :). A couple years ago, it became obvious that cable operators didn't want the complexity of the full-blown MSTV solution, so MS switched gears & came up with this (comparitively) simple product to compete with the TVguide/Gemstars of the cable world. Its biggest feature is that it runs on cheaper, slower boxes with less memory than the full MSTV product ever could have (which is why we now have it running on all the existing Moto DCT boxes here in Seattle, not just the DVR).

Even though I'm a Coug I thought I'd watch the dogs play some ball but can't find KIRO/7 with my LG 4200 receiver. I need the HD Comcast cable feed because I can't get an OTA signal. What is the channel number off of a QAM tuner?

84-1

Originally posted by jameskollar
84-1

Thanks but unfortunately it doesn't come in for me.

Originally posted by GeorgeHolland
Thanks but unfortunately it doesn't come in for me.

I get KIRO on 84.2... 84.1 is dead for me.

Originally posted by GeorgeHolland
Thanks but unfortunately it doesn't come in for me.

Sorry it didn't work. I'm using a DVico Fusion 3 PC QAM card. I don't get 84-2, just 84-1. The software for this card is somewhat flakey, (ok very flakey).

I've managed to map the local HD channels and for me, Kiro HD is 84-1.

Originally posted by jameskollar
Sorry it didn't work. I'm using a DVico Fusion 3 PC QAM card. I don't get 84-2, just 84-1. The software for this card is somewhat flakey, (ok very flakey).


Yep, unfortunately it is. The MyHD card for QAM has only been out about a month, and they are already working on dealing with the issue of TitanTV channels not matching up (a scheduling issue). Fusion has been out for much longer, and they're still working on getting stable software, and repeatedly trying to fix known problems.

Originally posted by Karyk
Yep, unfortunately it is. The MyHD card for QAM has only been out about a month, and they are already working on dealing with the issue of TitanTV channels not matching up (a scheduling issue). Fusion has been out for much longer, and they're still working on getting stable software, and repeatedly trying to fix known problems.

Yo Karyk,

I am working out the final issues on getting scheduled recordings to work with ReplayNT (http://www.nightthunder.com) (release 3.6 will have DVico support and more) and the DVico card. Basically, I use Zap2it (Tribune medias Services) guide data to schedule recordings for many devices from a single program. By remapping guide listings channels to QAM channles within ReplayNT (next release) you should be able to get around the scheduling difficulties you say you have with the MYHD and TitanTV.

My next release of the software will hopefully work with any PC capture card including the MYHd card. I have many plans for this software beyond what is currently available, however, right now I am working on getting as many devices as I can to work. If interested, PM or email me.

Jim

BTW: Sounds like I should have bought a MYHD. :(

I picked up he dct6412 this week, I've been in the market fpr a plasma but haven't made a decision yet. I've been watching the high def channels during prime time and I noticed that alot of programing still isn't in HD yet. Channel 4 news is almost always in HD and channel 5 is in & out. I would expect that shows like Lost, Survivor and The Amazing Race would be shown without the black lines on the sides. NBC has came in perfect the last few nights (American Dreams & Medium). Last Friday everything on channel 4 was in HD so I was really looking foward to Lost, which had the black lines. WTF?

Originally posted by HawksRCool
I picked up he dct6412 this week, I've been in the market fpr a plasma but haven't made a decision yet. I've been watching the high def channels during prime time and I noticed that alot of programing still isn't in HD yet. Channel 4 news is almost always in HD and channel 5 is in & out. I would expect that shows like Lost, Survivor and The Amazing Race would be shown without the black lines on the sides. NBC has came in perfect the last few nights (American Dreams & Medium). Last Friday everything on channel 4 was in HD so I was really looking foward to Lost, which had the black lines. WTF?

KOMO has had a failure in the HDTV program path this evening. The techs are working on the problem. I didn't press them for details...when they are up to their ears in alligators, they get a little crabby if they have to take time to explain what is going on.

They will get it repaired as soon as possible.

Don

WOW! I apprieciate the quick reply. THANKS!

I understand that schyt happens. So LOST is usually in HD, thats one of my faves. I'll check next week. I'm new to HD so I'm wondering what kind of programming to expect. For instantance, I tuned into 173 which is supposed to be ESPN-HD. Instead of showing the game in true HD, ESPN just had grey borders on the side of the screen.

only some sports events and sportscenter are in HD (on ESPN-HD)

Why has nobody been talking about the brutal 107 quality. I have seen it on several sets now. It like some weird mosaic picture that stutery or something.

I've only seen HD that looked good on one NCAA game. I can't even watch SD 107 it's so bad......and has since I got it. As well as 3 co-workers.
The "fur" on the channel 7 picture is just plain terrible. I thought the tourney would be WAY smoother pic wise.

What's up? Any news?

All the CSI and NCIS eps I have seen on 107 look great. *shrug*

Originally posted by biz_qwik
Why has nobody been talking about the brutal 107 quality. I have seen it on several sets now. It like some weird mosaic picture that stutery or something.

I've only seen HD that looked good on one NCAA game. I can't even watch SD 107 it's so bad......and has since I got it. As well as 3 co-workers.
The "fur" on the channel 7 picture is just plain terrible. I thought the tourney would be WAY smoother pic wise.

What's up? Any news?

I think that everyone hear has the same problem... I'm not sure if anyone knows the answer or not. It's frustrating because channel 7 looks terrible, and 107's frame rate is bad... I have only noticed this "bad frame rate" during sporting events though, not during normal programming (like survivor).

Kevin

I saw a note someone posted elsewhere to the effect that the Comcast modem speed increase for Seattle had been implemented last night. After power cycling the modem, I did see the increase.

if you have the "gold Tier" 10$ more a month upgrade you now have 6Mb/768K

if you have the nomal speed tier you have been upgraded to 4Mb/384k (old gold tier)

The broadcasts from Boise in HD were incredible. Of course, the damn Microsoft software recorded one of the games from the analog channel 7.

I noticed that not all of the coverage is in HD, however. Apparently some of the venues were HD and some were not, so the quality varied during the broadcast, depending on which game was showing. At least that is how it looked to me.

I hope Albuquerque is in HD! Go Huskies!

Originally posted by edbolson
The broadcasts from Boise in HD were incredible. Of course, the damn Microsoft software recorded one of the games from the analog channel 7.

I noticed that not all of the coverage is in HD, however. Apparently some of the venues were HD and some were not, so the quality varied during the broadcast, depending on which game was showing. At least that is how it looked to me.

I hope Albuquerque is in HD! Go Huskies!

I've not had it record SD instead of HD except in the case of operator (me) error. Are you saying it switched the channel from 107 to 7?

Tonight's game appears to be SD. Too bad. I think at least some of the Sat/Sun games are HD.

my 6412 recorded the first huskies game in SD... was it in HD?

Originally posted by wareagle
I've not had it record SD instead of HD except in the case of operator (me) error. Are you saying it switched the channel from 107 to 7?

Tonight's game appears to be SD. Too bad. I think at least some of the Sat/Sun games are HD.

nope HDTV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES!!

Looks like I was mistaken -- it's HD.

the damn Microsoft software recorded one of the games from the analog channel 7. Garbage in...garbage out

When did 107 get the green light? I haven't watched a single CBS program since I got my plasma last year, CSI is soooooo much better on CBS HD than SpikeTV! :cool:

On a side note, The Late Late Show with Drew Carey's boss isn't fit for prison TV! :D

Originally posted by consumertalks
When did 107 get the green light?

February 9. Welcome to the real world.

I’m getting a ton of artifacts and breakups on 107. Just me?

107 is great for me :)

Originally posted by Tom_Oliver
I’m getting a ton of artifacts and breakups on 107. Just me?

I was getting those OTA as well. I didn't notice the audio being impacted, so I don't think that it was dropouts due to signal problems.

Originally posted by wareagle
February 9. Welcome to the real world.
I've missed it for six weeks!? That is WACK! :D

Originally posted by Tom_Oliver
I’m getting a ton of artifacts and breakups on 107. Just me?

G'ah, it was horrid during the 2nd half on of the KU / MSU game, I actually had to switch to SD. Every other channel was fine and the audio on 107 was fine as well.

I watched the entire KU/WS game WITHOUT any issues. Perhaps you have a local issue?

I hope that some day soon the local network stations, particularly KOMO and KIRO, will decide that HD is important enough for them to provide entire programs in that format, rather than just the last 40 or 50 minutes (or whenever the intern wakes up from his nap). Very sloppy. Last night it was "Desperate Housewives" that spent the first 10 minutes in SD.

When they get that fixed, they can start working on the sound.

From another vantage point, I was very pleased with the manner that KOMO reacted to last night's HD problems. When the show first started, there was some kind of HD issue, and the screen was totally black. I was happy that someone at KOMO realized quickly there was an issue, and switched it to SD until they could resolve the problem. Those of us who recorded the show for later viewing, could then view an uninterrupted showing rather than a few minutes of black screen follwed by HD when the issue was resolved.

Originally posted by wareagle
I hope that some day soon the local network stations, particularly KOMO and KIRO, will decide that HD is important enough for them to provide entire programs in that format, rather than just the last 40 or 50 minutes (or whenever the intern wakes up from his nap). Very sloppy. Last night it was "Desperate Housewives" that spent the first 10 minutes in SD.

When they get that fixed, they can start working on the sound.

There was an intermittent connection on the HD satellite receiver coax that took a few minutes to correct. The problem is that the HD circuit lies dark after the evening's primetime for 20 hours or so until the next scheduled HD program is due. Any faults that occur during that time will show up when the first HD program for the evening is put on the air.

No excuses, guys...just an explanation of what happened. When all network programs are sent through the HD feed, this shouldn't be a problem. The guys are trying to find a way around it in the meantime.

By the way, Wareagle, what audio issues are you having? I am not aware of any recent audio problems.

Don

Originally posted by Tom_Oliver
I’m getting a ton of artifacts and breakups on 107. Just me?

Tom
I was getting dropouts and breakups of 107 and 173 (ESPN) every afternoon. It sometimes included 113. This started about the time 107 first appeared. After Comcast installed a new splitter off my modem and replaced my STB twice, they sent a supervisor and he along with another tech measured my signal outside my house. They then spent one-half hour on the pole doing something. I haven't had a problem since (two weeks now). Maybe they gave you my old connection. sam:)

Originally posted by Don Wilkinson
There was an intermittent connection on the HD satellite receiver coax that took a few minutes to correct. The problem is that the HD circuit lies dark after the evening's primetime for 20 hours or so until the next scheduled HD program is due. Any faults that occur during that time will show up when the first HD program for the evening is put on the air.

No excuses, guys...just an explanation of what happened. When all network programs are sent through the HD feed, this shouldn't be a problem. The guys are trying to find a way around it in the meantime.

By the way, Wareagle, what audio issues are you having? I am not aware of any recent audio problems.

Don

That explains the black nothing I had during the first few minutes. At first I thought it was my DVR acting up. Glad to know it's not my hardware ... this time ;)

As far as the HD feed being dark except for HD content you'd think that ABC or whomever could put some sort of loop on when there isn't any HD content to broadcast so you'd at least know your circuit is good.

Originally posted by Don Wilkinson
By the way, Wareagle, what audio issues are you having? I am not aware of any recent audio problems.

Don

Last night it was intermittent dropouts on 109 (which is non-HD digital). The really bad ones are when there's nothing but background noise (mostly 107), apparently a mixup in the 5.1 sound. Usually on one of the CSI's (not surprising, since that's about all CBS has).

Originally posted by wareagle
Last night it was intermittent dropouts on 109 (which is non-HD digital). The really bad ones are when there's nothing but background noise (mostly 107), apparently a mixup in the 5.1 sound. Usually on one of the CSI's (not surprising, since that's about all CBS has).

Am I missing something, or are you talking about audio problems with KIRO? Can't do anything about that.

Don

Originally posted by Don Wilkinson
Am I missing something, or are you talking about audio problems with KIRO? Can't do anything about that.

Don

Except for "Desperate Housewives" SD/HD last night, my comments were generic and not directed specifically at KOMO.

I only saw the issue on 107 during the games. I have to admit, I haven’t watched 107 very much, and I never have these problems on any other channel. I guess it’s not “lots” of dropouts, but more every few minutes I see artifacts. To be honest, most people probably wouldn’t even notice, but I’m pretty picky. It almost looked like I wasn’t getting all the bandwidth I needed. Like I said, the other channels were fine, so I don’t think it’s something on my end.

Originally posted by Weil
Tom
I was getting dropouts and breakups of 107 and 173 (ESPN) every afternoon. It sometimes included 113. This started about the time 107 first appeared. After Comcast installed a new splitter off my modem and replaced my STB twice, they sent a supervisor and he along with another tech measured my signal outside my house. They then spent one-half hour on the pole doing something. I haven't had a problem since (two weeks now). Maybe they gave you my old connection. sam:)

Audio dropouts problems are very much reduced, in my viewing experience ... but I still notice the short dropout now and then (I haven't noticed enough to pinpoint any particular commonality - channel, time, show, etc) ... it's usually just long enough to miss one word. That's short enough that I can almost always fill in the word by context (a few months ago the dropouts tended to last longer and were more irritating). So not perfect yet, but the general trend is encouraging ...

Cliff

Last night I had just fallen comfortably asleep during the Tonight Show (Channel 105), when the show switched to commercial and I was very rudely awakened by a dramatic increase in the volume. Are others experiencing this?

If I recall, Don Wilkenson responded some time ago that KOMO (104) had resolved this problem-- but what about KING(105) and KIRO(107)?

Originally posted by burger23
Last night I had just fallen comfortably asleep during the Tonight Show (Channel 105), when the show switched to commercial and I was very rudely awakened by a dramatic increase in the volume. Are others experiencing this?

If I recall, Don Wilkenson responded some time ago that KOMO (104) had resolved this problem-- but what about KING(105) and KIRO(107)?

I notice it all the time on most of the OTA HD channels I have. I'm actually a Dish customer, but watch this group to keep abreast of what comcast is doing in regards to DVRs and HD. I've actually been spoiled for the past 7 years since switching to Dish because it seems they level the audio on all their channels, including SD locals. It wasn't until I started watching OTA HD that I saw audio level changes during commericals. Used to see it all the time with analog cable before getting Dish.

Originally posted by burger23
Last night I had just fallen comfortably asleep during the Tonight Show (Channel 105), when the show switched to commercial and I was very rudely awakened by a dramatic increase in the volume. Are others experiencing this?

If I recall, Don Wilkenson responded some time ago that KOMO (104) had resolved this problem-- but what about KING(105) and KIRO(107)?

I think KING-DT is the worst for volume changes between network sources and local sources. There is a MAJOR increase in volume heard for the local stuff.

I only notice slight differences on KIRO-DT between CBS network and KIRO local.

KOMO-DT seems to have it under control.

BTW, I am an OTA HD viewer, with the same results on two different HD STBs feeding the same A/V receiver system.

I was estacic to see NCIS to be in high def on 107 tonight, only to be very disapointed to see that my favorite show, Amazing Race, wasn't. *sigh*

So no word yet on which Mariner's games will be in HD, if at all?

Just got this today via email from Comcast:

Mariners HDTV Schedule on Comcast Cable:
June 11: Expos at Mariners; 7:05 PM
June 12: Expos at Mariners; 7:05 PM
June 13: Braves at Mariners; 7:05 PM
June 28: Padres at Mariners; 7:05 PM
June 29: Padres at Mariners; 1:05 PM
July 9: Orioles at Mariners; 7:05 PM
July 10: Orioles at Mariners; 7:05 PM
July 11: Devil Rays at Mariners; 7:05 PM
July 13: Devil Rays at Mariners; 1:05 PM
July 24: Athletics at Mariners; 7:05 PM
July 27: Rangers at Mariners; 1:05 PM
Aug. 2: White Sox at Mariners; 7:05 PM
Aug. 3: White Sox at Mariners; 1:05 PM
Aug. 15: Red Sox at Mariners; 7:05 PM
Aug. 17: Red Sox at Mariners; 1:05 PM
Aug. 31: Orioles at Mariners; 1:05 PM
Sept.14: Angels at Mariners; 1:05 PM
Sept. 26: Athletics at Mariners; 7:05 PM
Sept. 28: Athletics at Mariners; 1:05 PM

Each game will be shown LIVE in HD on ch. # 100

TacJag, that's last year's schedule! When did they send this to you?

Art

PS: now I'm a little worried. The Seattle Times had a special pull-out section on the Mariner's today. The entire back page is an ad by Comcast. Under the HD section there was no mention of Mariner Games! :(

Art

They sent that to me about 11 AM this morning!! (3/31/05)!!

Egad ... are they that bad???

Ken

TacJag-
Did you sign up for this? Is there a link? How did you get on a list to send out Mariner info at Comcast?

I just sent an email off the Comcast website. Reply was "comcast ecare seattle".

Sent & received this morning.

Hmmm. I was going to try to send something to Fox NW as well, but couldn't find a good "Contact Me" reference that looked like it might make it to the Seattle branch.

Ken

1:45am and my 6412 box is downloadin a firmware update...

Anyone know the changes from last release?

FE is upgraded to 1.7.6400

Firmware is now 9.17!!!!

I found 9.17 on my box this morning. The tipoff was most of my schedule information was gone, and the box was more unresponsive than normal.

The only change I found was that the TV Guide was only had infromation through Tuesday morning-- beyond that I had NO INFORMATION dispalyed.

my record light on my 2nd 6412 works now!!!!

I wonder if the message system will ever work.

I'm sure this question has already been answered here, so please forgive me. I currently have expanded basic analog Comcast cable (no set top box & no digital). If I buy a tv with a built in HD tuner, can I plug the cable straight into my tv and receive HD channels through my current Comcast service? I know that I probably won't get DiscoveryHD, ESPNHD, etc. I'm just wondering if I will get KIRO, KOMO, FOX, KING, etc. Thanks.

Originally posted by Superastro
I'm sure this question has already been answered here, so please forgive me. I currently have expanded basic analog Comcast cable (no set top box & no digital). If I buy a tv with a built in HD tuner, can I plug the cable straight into my tv and receive HD channels through my current Comcast service? I know that I probably won't get DiscoveryHD, ESPNHD, etc. I'm just wondering if I will get KIRO, KOMO, FOX, KING, etc. Thanks.

I currently have Limited Basic through Comcast, and do get all of the broadcast, unencrypted HDTV channels on my Sharp Aquos with a QAM tuner. I do have high speed Internet through Comcast also (I saw another post implying that this might be necessary).

Originally posted by Superastro
I'm sure this question has already been answered here, so please forgive me. I currently have expanded basic analog Comcast cable (no set top box & no digital). If I buy a tv with a built in HD tuner, can I plug the cable straight into my tv and receive HD channels through my current Comcast service? I know that I probably won't get DiscoveryHD, ESPNHD, etc. I'm just wondering if I will get KIRO, KOMO, FOX, KING, etc. Thanks. It totally depends on what type of "tv with a built in HD tuner" you actually have:

1) Standard over-the-air (ATSC) HDTV tuner. This is the vast majority of HDTVs. No way to receive any digital cable channels (HD or not) without a set-top box.

2. QAM digital cable tuner. Can receive *unencrypted* digital cable channels without a set-top box. With Comcast this includes only the local broadcast HDTV channels (KOMO4, KING5, KIRO7, KCTS9, FOX13), and from other postings here, it appears you can get these channels without a digital cable suscription.

3. CableCard tuner. Can receive all digital cable channels (not sure about OnDemand or PPV, though) without a set-top box. Requires a digital cable subscription and leasing a CableCard "smart card" from Comcast - which I think costs the same as the HD set-top box.

Thanks stevelee. I don't have Comcast internet service. Does anyone know if that's the pre-requisite to getting HD service if you only have basic analog cable?

Long story short, I'm deciding whether to wait until June/July for the new JVC DILA sets with built in HD tuner or get one of the current ones (prices have been dropping fast). In addition to a variety of other factors with the tv (difference is cost, possible upgrade in picture quality, etc.), the answer to this cable question will aid in my decision.

Thanks.

Thanks Jimre. As you can tell, I am very new to the whole HD thing. We currently have a 12 year old 27" tube tv.

I'll need to check to see what type of HD tuner these new JVC's come with. So if it has an ATCS tuner (which you indicate consitute most of the built in HD units), then it won't help me (except if i get a OTA antenae), correct?

Most any current model HDTV with a built-in tuner supports both OTA (8VSB) and cable (QAM). Some, but not all, come with cable card slots.

Now I'm confused. The JVC specs say "built in ATSC tuner". Is there anyone out there that has a tv with built in ATSC tuner and only basic Comcast cable? With only that combination, can you receive Comcast's HD channels?

Sorry to keep asking the same question over and over again. It's just that I'm still unsure of the answer.

Originally posted by Superastro
Thanks Jimre. As you can tell, I am very new to the whole HD thing. We currently have a 12 year old 27" tube tv.

I'll need to check to see what type of HD tuner these new JVC's come with. So if it has an ATCS tuner (which you indicate consitute most of the built in HD units), then it won't help me (except if i get a OTA antenae), correct?

I just looked at the JVC manual for the HD-52Z575, and it sure doesn't appear that it has a QAM tuner. They imply that to get DTV, you need an external tuner. Don't know if this was the model you were looking at...

The HD-52Z575 does not have any built in HD tuner.
The upcoming HD-52G786 (due out in June/July) will have a built in ATSC tuner.

Comcast HD channels are 100 and up. My understanding is that any channel over 99 is digital. So if Jimre is right, then the upcoming JVC will do nothing for me in regards to receiving cable HD.

On the other hand, Budget_HD seems to be implying otherwise (is that even proper grammer on my part?)

I am coming late to this party, sorry if these Q's have been covered earlier... I did some searching but didn't hit gold.

I am a current Dish/ReplayTV user, thinking about switching to Comcast for these reasons:

1) I can stop messing around with OTA HD antennas, and I can get Fox in HD
2) HDTV time-shifting

(I would keep using my Replay to control the Moto box for standard def shows.)

My questions basically are...

1) Is the Moto HDTV tuner/PVR Comcast provides any good?
2) How is Comcast's HDTV PQ compared to OTA? Do they drop the bitrate?
3) In fact, how is their PQ for SD channels? (Bonus points to anyone who can compare to Dish.)

If the quality is good, there seems to be a compelling argument for going Comcast now that they have CBS in HD and HD time-shifting equipment.

Many thanks for your thoughts.

Originally posted by Superastro
The HD-52Z575 does not have any built in HD tuner.
The upcoming HD-52G786 (due out in June/July) will have a built in ATSC tuner.



Based on what I saw in the JVC press release for the HD-52G786, I would think they would advertise the QAM tuner capability if it had it.

Originally posted by Superastro
Now I'm confused. The JVC specs say "built in ATSC tuner". Is there anyone out there that has a tv with built in ATSC tuner and only basic Comcast cable? With only that combination, can you receive Comcast's HD channels?

Sorry to keep asking the same question over and over again. It's just that I'm still unsure of the answer. As I said above - "ATSC Tuner" is another name for "Over-the-Air Tuner". This is what the vast majority of HDTVs have, and it will do you absolutely NO good for digital cable channels. With an ATSC tuner, you will need a Comcast digital set-top box, and digital cable subscription to get *any* of Comcast's HD channels.

Originally posted by Budget_HT
Most any current model HDTV with a built-in tuner supports both OTA (8VSB) and cable (QAM). Some, but not all, come with cable card slots. I disagree. Most still have just an ATSC tuner. Sure, there are more coming on the market all the time with QAM and/or CableCard - but they are still in the minority.

Originally posted by Superastro
The HD-52Z575 does not have any built in HD tuner.
The upcoming HD-52G786 (due out in June/July) will have a built in ATSC tuner.

Comcast HD channels are 100 and up. My understanding is that any channel over 99 is digital. So if Jimre is right, then the upcoming JVC will do nothing for me in regards to receiving cable HD.

On the other hand, Budget_HD seems to be implying otherwise (is that even proper grammer on my part?)

The JVC HD-52G786 D-ILA TV is ATSC tuner/CableCARD-equipped which appears to be CONTRADICTORY. What usable function can be performed by a cable card and no QAM tuner?? I would suggest calling JVC or stopping in at a (gasp) dealer and checking on this. sam

Originally posted by horseflesh

1) Is the Moto HDTV tuner/PVR Comcast provides any good?
2) How is Comcast's HDTV PQ compared to OTA? Do they drop the bitrate?
3) In fact, how is their PQ for SD channels? (Bonus points to anyone who can compare to Dish.)


1) Not really. It works but it's quie primitive compared ot a ReplayTV as far as features go. Although it is a dual tuner HD cpaable unit and can record two shows (HD or SD) at the same time while watching somethign arleady recorded. It has no 30 second skip.

2) Identical. They mrely forawrd the bits to you without recompression.

3) I've had Dish, DirecTV, cable and I have a big dish. My job at work is (among other things) video quality analysis. The issue here is that cable systems vary from house to hosue and neighborhood to neighborhood. IN MY CASE cable beats DirecTV and Dish on all fronts. FWIW I project onto a 92" screen so signal quality issues are magnified quite a bit. I found the macroblocking and mosquito noise of the DBS services to be annoying. I also notice that they crushed blacks quite hevily destoryiong all shadow detail. On my cable feed there is a bit of analog noise but not much, easily dealt with by any modern tuner with noise reduction. There is no ghosting.

But cable for you may be totally different depending on how old the build-out into your area is.

Other than the less than stellar set top I've been quite happy with Comcast.

Originally posted by horseflesh
1) Is the Moto HDTV tuner/PVR Comcast provides any good?

If you haven't already tried it, check out the AVS Forum dedicated to the 6412 with MSFT software:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?threadid=467203&perpage=60&pagenumber=16

Personally, I love it.

Thanks everyone!

Thank you everyone for your responses. Weil raises an interesting question. The cablecard from Comcast isn't a tuner, right? Doesn't it simply serve as a descrambler for encrypted digital signals? Following that logic, don't all sets that are cablecard ready have built in QAM tuners? But if that's true, why wouldn't all of these sets advertise themselves as having "ATSC/QAM" tuners built in?

I don't have a problem with going to a dealer to ask the question. But so far my experience is that most of the salepeople at the various dealers are clueless.

Originally posted by jimre
I disagree. Most still have just an ATSC tuner. Sure, there are more coming on the market all the time with QAM and/or CableCard - but they are still in the minority.

I stand corrected.

I guess I have been reading more about the newer (upcoming and just released) sets and forgetting how many currently-offered models are still out there without QAM.

Originally posted by Superastro
I don't have a problem with going to a dealer to ask the question. But so far my experience is that most of the salepeople at the various dealers are clueless.

I think they must be retired CSR's.