it must have been only in your area. down here in elmira HD channel was working fine for the game ( or as well as the NBCHD channel works with there crappy compression)

And the saga of what is TWC continues. :)

Not to mention the poor OTA selection we have here in the Greater Binghamton area.

WBNG news tonight announced a deal has been reached and they will be carried in
HD on TWC by years end.

About time.

I'll let my brother know to look for it on a QAM channel.

Now I wonder when they will have a local newscast in HD?

UNBELIEVABLE. Christmas just came early for TWC subscribers:

"After more than two years of negotiations, Time Warner Cable and Granite Broadcasting Corp. have reached an agreement whereby customers will finally get a chance to view WBNG-TV in high definition"

Article on PSB is here (http://www.pressconnects.com/article/20081215/NEWS01/812150352)

It sounds like this was part of a blanket deal for all of Granite's stations across NY state, with Time Warner Cable. The deal apparently includes WBNG-DT.

Now both sides shake hands and pat themselves on the back like they did such a good job in resolving this. Absolutely terrible that it took this long. Terrible. :mad: Such is life in corporate america.

The next question is when will WBNG put The CW on a subchannel?
Or will TWC block such a move since The CW is currently cable only. :)

Anyone have a clue as to what the QAM channel will be for WBNG now that they have annouced this deal????

Just have to do a scan once they go live. Heck, I don't think they list the QAM channels they have now on the website.

Read this article (http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6618083.html?q=duane+lammers) on Duane Lammers

It looks like this "shrewd buisnessman" is the reason for the statemate. I have much more choice words for him that cannot be posted on this forum.

Looks like Granite had this guy fighting for them. From this article he sounds like a ruthless tyrant who will not accept anything but his way and step on anyone in his way to get there.

People like him love getting hate mail to build their massive egos, so it's not like that would do anything. But it does shed a little light as to why talks took so long, one side(Granite) basically unwilling to budge with this guy's history.

It would appear that Time Warner conceeded on something to allow this deal between Granite Corp and Time Warner to happen. Although it wasn't just about WBNG-DT, it was about continued transmission of regular SD versions of Granite-owned networks as well.

So, WBNG-HD comes up on December 23, and WENY's HD CBS signal is supposed to come up on January 1. I wonder what TWC-Elmira is going to do ... bring up WBNG and then switch a week later, or just wait for WENY?

So, WBNG-HD comes up on December 23, and WENY's HD CBS signal is supposed to come up on January 1. I wonder what TWC-Elmira is going to do ... bring up WBNG and then switch a week later, or just wait for WENY?

They will probably bring up WBNG-DT on ch. 701 because as of right now, the only CBS in the Elmira market is WBNG and then switch over to WENY-DT when it goes live...

That would be my best guess.....

I fear that WBNG will come up on December 23, then WENY will invoke their local rights on January 1 and force TWC to take WBNG off (like they forced the ABC station off), but then have a problem (waiting for a spare part or something) and not actually come on until later.

You mean that WENY-TV wanted WIVT-TV off of the cable system?

You mean that WENY-TV wanted WIVT-TV off of the cable system?

No .... he was right. Not too long ago WENY signed deals to carry a digital/HD CBS feed that will be known as WENY-DT in the Elmira market. It will be the first time ever that Elmira has it's own CBS affiliate. They will still have their ABC affiliate as well.

I fear that WBNG will come up on December 23, then WENY will invoke their local rights on January 1 and force TWC to take WBNG off (like they forced the ABC station off), but then have a problem (waiting for a spare part or something) and not actually come on until later.

My guess would be that they won't actually take WBNG off the cable system in the Elmira market until WENY-DT is in full swing. I'm sure if they have technical issues..then they will push back the 1/1/09 date. I think that was a soft date to begin with anyway...

It also looks like TWC is rearranging it's QAM channels again.....at least in the Elmira area. Here is what I have found so far tonight.

18.1 (WETM-DT)
18.2 (WETM2)
46.1 (WSKG-DT)
46.2 (WSKG)
46.3 (WSKGCT)
48.1 (WYDC-DT)

This at least makes more sense than before....

I'll have to ask my brother if TWC Bingo has done the same thing. Possibly on/after 12/23.

You mean that WENY-TV wanted WIVT-TV off of the cable system?
As I understand it, prior to the Super Bowl in 2006, WIVT-HD (ABC) was shown on TWC-Elmira. WENY (also ABC) used a borrowed transmitter to supply HD for a day in order to show the Super Bowl. Of course, that bumped WIVT off. After that, WENY took away their HD signal while they waited for a "spare part" :rolleyes: to restore HD, but WIVT stayed off and is still off now. WIVT-HD remained available for a time via QAM but about a year ago that went away too.

"You don't know what you've got 'till it's gone...."


100% TWC issue ...

TWC only rebroadcast what they are sent from the provider. In this case and in the past its has been a station(WIVT/WBGH) issue not TWC's.

As for WBNG.. you guys might to check tonight in the Binghamton and Oneonta's area.... 651Mhz...testing is in progress

TWC only rebroadcast what they are sent from the provider. In this case and in the past its has been a station(WIVT/WBGH) issue not TWC's.

As for WBNG.. you guys might to check tonight in the Binghamton and Oneonta's area.... 651Mhz...testing is in progress

Anyone check if testing went on last night? Anyone out there know any info on what the QAM station will be???

If Binghamton TWC does what they did in Elmira, it seems that all QAM assignments may change. So, it might show up as 12.1.

It should be deployed now to all users w/ STB's too... Ch 701

Anyone know the monthly fee for a second HD Digital Cable Box .... seems TWC STNY does not post this one their site anymore.

It should be deployed now to all users w/ STB's too... Ch 701

Yep I have 701 on my Channel Guide and on my TWC STB in Binghamton. Anyone know if the WBNG QAM channel is being broadcast by TWC yet. Need to get that mapped to my beyond tv channel guide!

Edit i think WBNG is QAM 100.3 and also 12.1 in 1080I
We also have 100.2 which is also 8.8 which is WBPNLP in 420P

No .... he was right. Not too long ago WENY signed deals to carry a digital/HD CBS feed that will be known as WENY-DT in the Elmira market. It will be the first time ever that Elmira has it's own CBS affiliate. They will still have their ABC affiliate as well.

A couple of things:

1) Wouldn't they have to have a different set of call letters for the CBS broadcast since they intend to continue doing the ABC feed?

2) Where did you see it stated that they'll be doing HD for either network?

Yep I have 701 on my Channel Guide and on my TWC STB in Binghamton. Anyone know if the WBNG QAM channel is being broadcast by TWC yet. Need to get that mapped to my beyond tv channel guide!

Edit i think WBNG is QAM 100.3 and also 12.1 in 1080I
We also have 100.2 which is also 8.8 which is WBPNLP in 420P

I'm not seeing channel 701 in the Elmira area.....it seems as though if we have WBNG (SD), then we would also get the digital feed as well...hmmmm. Anyone else have any insight into why the Elmira market wouldn't get the TWC/WBNG HD feed?

A couple of things:

1) Wouldn't they have to have a different set of call letters for the CBS broadcast since they intend to continue doing the ABC feed?

2) Where did you see it stated that they'll be doing HD for either network?

1) From what I understand.... WENY-TV is the ABC feed and WENY-DT will be the CBS feed. I'm not sure if this constitutes different call signs or not. Maybe wikipedia will help....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WENY-TV

2) I email the news director (Scott Cook) about 6 weeks ago or so and he's the one that replied with this information about doing HD for both networks. This is a direct quote from his email....

"I can tell you, we are in the midst of the digital build-out, and plan to
"go digital" on or before Jan. 1. The plan is to begin broadcasting the
networks' (ABC & CBS) HD programming at the same time."

Scott Cook, News Director
WENY-TV Newschannel 36
474 Old Ithaca Rd.
Horseheads, NY 14845
(607) 739-3636, ext. 12


I hope this helps....

...
Edit i think WBNG is QAM 100.3 and also 12.1 in 1080I
We also have 100.2 which is also 8.8 which is WBPNLP in 420PActually WBPN is our local My Network channel, owned by ch40. WBNG owns WBXI (The CW). And the resolution is probably 480p. So, 8.8 should be WBXI. Hopefully, it will be on an OTA subchannel soon as well.

Well, hell (upstate NY) has both literally and figuratively frozen over, with news of the WBNG/TW agreement. We are getting WBNG-HD on 701. We're on the Oneonta branch.

Does anyone know if Time Warner (CNY) is planning on getting MLB network in HD? The website states that channel 100 will be the network (in SD obviously), but says nothing about HD.

Actually WBPN is our local My Network channel, owned by ch40. WBNG owns WBXI (The CW). And the resolution is probably 480p. So, 8.8 should be WBXI. Hopefully, it will be on an OTA subchannel soon as well.

So that I understand this correctly (and I will test it out by punching these numbers in when I get home)

100.3 or 12.1 is WBNG
100.2 is CW
and it could also be 8.8?

Also let me ask you is there a qam for My Network WBPN?

Thanks for the info in advance!!!

I can't answer for sure as I don't use TWC.

Please report your results of a scan for QAM channels.

Here is what I found on the system(my location is Apalachin)

79-13 - WIVT-DT(ABC)
79-14 - WBGH-DT(NBC)
85-2 -WSKG Create(PBS)
85-13 - WSKG-DT(PBS)
85-14 - WICZ-DT(FOX)

90-70 - OnDemand previews

94-1 - WICZ-DT(FOX)
94-2 - WIVT-DT(ABC)
94-3 - WSKG-DT(PBS)
94-5 - WSKG Create

100-1 - WBGH-DT(NBC)
100-2 - WBPN-DT(MNT)
100-3 - WBNG-DT(CBS)

Not sure why there are dups, they don't remap or anything.

Also they are testing out to ch 122 with a test pattern. Ch 120 and 122 have test patterns on them. Good to see they are testing way up near 780MHZ on a 750 plant.

Not sure why there are dups, they don't remap or anything. I have a feeling it could be a "side effect" of the Southern Tier and Central New York branches of Time Warner merging. They probably are simulcasting the signals onto both of the frequencies that they each individual system had prior to the merger.

So when are they planning on ditching about 4 or 5 of the useless analog channels and giving us a couple dozen more HD channels? ;)

Here is what I found on the system(my location is Apalachin)

79-13 - WIVT-DT(ABC)
79-14 - WBGH-DT(NBC)
85-2 -WSKG Create(PBS)
85-13 - WSKG-DT(PBS)
85-14 - WICZ-DT(FOX)

90-70 - OnDemand previews

94-1 - WICZ-DT(FOX)
94-2 - WIVT-DT(ABC)
94-3 - WSKG-DT(PBS)
94-5 - WSKG Create

100-1 - WBGH-DT(NBC)
100-2 - WBPN-DT(MNT)
100-3 - WBNG-DT(CBS)

Not sure why there are dups, they don't remap or anything.

Also they are testing out to ch 122 with a test pattern. Ch 120 and 122 have test patterns on them. Good to see they are testing way up near 780MHZ on a 750 plant.

In Endciott we get those plus these

8.8 - MY8 - WBPN - Digital
12.1 - CBS - WBNG - HD
20.20 - NBC - WBGH - HD
34.6 - ABC - WIVT - HD
40.40 - FOX - WICZ - HD
42.42 - PBSHD - WSKG1 - HD
94.94 - Create - WSKG3 - Digital

Those channel assignments are just plain stupid. The only one that makes sense is 12.1. I certainly hope that they will streamline those assignments as they will just confuse the average user. But, then maybe that's what they want, that the average subscriber will rent their digital box. Afterall, the average viewer doesn't even know what QAM is.

I hope this helps....

Sure does and thanks. I hope you can understand how someone who's been stonewalled by WENY before can be skeptical. It's just nice that after all this time there's some local HD to discuss.

I just noticed a few changes today myself.. I have the lowest basic cable plan to just get the broadcast networks, and I noticed my Vista guide had a few added channels to it. So I rescanned my TV's guide and got a QAM station in the 106s. It looked like it was some premium station, but I couldn't be sure.. Then a few minutes later, I go to check on the station again, and it is no longer there, even though it was programmed in the guide, and doing a channel scan no longer finds it.

Also another weird thing, is that my TV's guide finds only 1 WSKGSD at 46-7, while my Vista Guide finds 46.1 WSKG-HD, 46.2 WSKG-SD, 46.3 WSKG-CR, with 46.7 listed as 116.4. And the weird thing is, is that all the 46.1-3 on Vista display WSKG-HD. The other weird thing is that 42.42 on my TV's tuner displays WSKG-HD, while on my Vista Tuner the call letters show up as WBNG-HD and shows WBNG-HD!

I'm guessing that the Vista tuner is somewhat wonky because it's pulling it's data from the internetz while my TV's tuner is getting the information directly from the cable?

I just hope this is all cleared up soon. Glad to see CBS-HD in full effect though! Now I can finally get rid of my ATSC tuner!

In Endciott we get those plus these

8.8 - MY8 - WBPN - Digital
12.1 - CBS - WBNG - HD
20.20 - NBC - WBGH - HD
34.6 - ABC - WIVT - HD
40.40 - FOX - WICZ - HD
42.42 - PBSHD - WSKG1 - HD
94.94 - Create - WSKG3 - Digital

Not sure what part of Endicott, but I live in West Endicott and I did a couple of scans tonight. I only get the norm in terms of QAM I do not get any of these channels in which you mention. I am still searching for CBS QAM and its no where to be found, not on 12.1, not on 100-3??? So what gives? I have the very basic cable package from TWC like 1-7 and then 21 and then the QAM stations that have been out for sometime...any info as to why?

Well, the press release did give a 12/23 date for the activation, so I'd have to guess that everything is in a state of flux.

Not sure what part of Endicott, but I live in West Endicott and I did a couple of scans tonight. I only get the norm in terms of QAM I do not get any of these channels in which you mention. I am still searching for CBS QAM and its no where to be found, not on 12.1, not on 100-3??? So what gives? I have the very basic cable package from TWC like 1-7 and then 21 and then the QAM stations that have been out for sometime...any info as to why?
I also live in West Endicott, I probably have a different setup than you.
I don't subscribe to Time Warner cable, only RoadRunner.
I put a splitter in the line and ran a cable to my TV. That's how I get my locals. I use Dish Network to get my TV fix.
I expect these channels to move around until Feb,

You might want to try inputting the channel, 12 dot 1, or 012 dot 1.
Depending on your TV.
When I rescanned I didn't get the 100.X channels, but if I input them manually, they came in.

I just noticed a few changes today myself.. I have the lowest basic cable plan to just get the broadcast networks, and I noticed my Vista guide had a few added channels to it. So I rescanned my TV's guide and got a QAM station in the 106s. It looked like it was some premium station, but I couldn't be sure.. Then a few minutes later, I go to check on the station again, and it is no longer there, even though it was programmed in the guide, and doing a channel scan no longer finds it.



This will happen from time to time and it is a result of Switched Digital Video (SDV) that TWC has begun doing. Basically they break up their customers into groups. (I'm guessing similar to the way they group the shared connection for road runner). In each group they have a pool of QAM channels that are reserved for all of the switched channels in the system. SDV allows for more bandwidth to provide more HD content by only sending the channels to the customer when they tune to the signal instead of sending all channels all the time. Not all channels are switched....and I'm not sure there is a record anywhere of which ones actually are. Now, since all customers in the block have access to the QAM pool...when your neighbor tunes into a switched channel and you happen to do a scan while they are watching it, then your QAM tuner will pick it up....until they change the channel. I was watching "I am Legend" last night because one of my neighbors was tuned into it. It's kind of a bonus of the technology.

This will happen from time to time and it is a result of Switched Digital Video (SDV) that TWC has begun doing. Not all channels are switched....and I'm not sure there is a record anywhere of which ones actually are.

This is the current list of SDV channels on TWC in Binghamton (I Believe)

121 ESPNU

122 ESPN Classic

124 Game Show Network

126 Outdoor Channel

127 Fox Business Network

128 Fox Reality

129 Fox Soccer Channel

131 History International (Spanish)

132 BIO

133 Daystar

134 Lifetime Real Women

135 Fine Living Network

145 Kids On Demand Preschool

146 Boomerang

147 Nick Toons

148 The N

149 Noggin

150 Discovery Kids

151 Ovation

152 BETJ

153 Encore WAM

154 HBO Family East

155 Starz Kids and Family - East

156 Toon Disney

157 Disney Channel On Demand

158 HBO Family West

160 Entertainment On Demand

161 Music On Demand

162 MTV HITS

163 VH1 Classic

164 GAC

165 Fox Movie Channel

166 Independent Film Channel

167 ReelzChannel

168 fuse

170 LOGO

174 MoviePlex East

175 Encore Love East

176 Encore Drama East

177 Encore Mysteries East

178 Encore Action East

179 Encore Westerns East

180 Encore East

181 Sundance Channel East

182 Cornerstore

183 Jewelry Television

184 GemsTV

185 America's Auction Network

187 TV Superstore

192 MTV2

200 HBO East

201 HBO 2 East

202 HBO Signature East

203 HBO Zone East

204 HBO Comedy East

205 HBO Latino East

206 HBO West

207 HBO 2 West

208 HBO Signature West

209 HBO Zone West

210 HBO Comedy West

211 HBO Latino West

215 HBO East High Definition

225 Cinemax East

226 More Max East

227 ActionMAX - East

228 ThrillerMAX East

229 W Max

230 @ Max

231 Five Star Max

232 Outer Max

233 Cinemax West

234 More Max West

235 ActionMAX - West

236 ThrillerMAX West

250 Showtime

251 Showtime Too East

252 Showtime Showcase East

253 Showtime Extreme - East

254 Showtime Beyond East

255 The Movie Channel East

256 TMC Xtra East

257 Flix East

258 Showtime Next East

259 Showtime Family East

260 Showtime Women East

261 Showtime High Definition

275 Starz - East

276 Starz Edge - East

277 Starz Cinema - East

278 Starz inBlack - East

285 Canal Sur

286 Cine Latino Espanol

287 Discovery en Español

288 History en Espanol

289 Mun2

291 Video Rola

292 ESPN Deportes

298 Zee TV Programming

299 TV Asia - Asia Star Broadcasting, Inc.

300 Pay Per View Previews

301 Events iN DEMAND

302 Events iN DEMAND 2

303 Events On Demand

332 Outrageous On Demand

333 Howard TV On Demand

334 Adult On Demand

335 Hot Choice - Adult

347 Spice: XCESS

348 Club Jenna

349 Playboy Television - Adult

350 Penthouse TV

351 TEN Clips

352 TEN Blox

353 TEN Blue

398 Movies on Demand HD

399 Movies On Demand

400 Music Choice

401 Music Choice: Sounds of the Season

402 Music Choice: Today's Country

403 Music Choice: Classic Country

404 Music Choice: Bluegrass

405 Music Choice: Hip-Hop and R&B

406 Music Choice: Classic R&B

407 Music Choice: R&B Soul

408 Music Choice: R&B Hits

409 Music Choice: Rap

410 Music Choice: Metal

411 Music Choice: Rock

412 Music Choice: Arena Rock

413 Music Choice: Classic Rock

414 Music Choice: Adult Alternative

415 Music Choice: Alternative

416 Music Choice: Retro-Active

417 Music Choice: Electronica

418 Music Choice: Dance

419 Music Choice: Lite Hits

420 Music Choice: Adult Top 40

421 Music Choice: Hit List

422 Music Choice: Kidz Only

423 Music Choice: Party Favorites

424 Music Choice: Showcase

425 Music Choice: '90s

426 Music Choice: '80s

427 Music Choice: '70s

428 Music Choice: Solid Gold Oldies

429 Music Choice: Smooth Jazz

430 Music Choice: Jazz

431 Music Choice: Blues

432 Music Choice: Reggae

433 Music Choice: Soundscapes

434 Music Choice: Easy Listening

435 Music Choice: Big Band & Swing

436 Music Choice: Singers & Standards

437 Music Choice: Show Tunes

438 Music Choice: Contemporary Christian

439 Music Choice: Gospel

440 Music Choice: Classical Masterpieces

441 Music Choice: Light Classical

442 Music Choice: Pop Latino

443 Music Choice: Musica Urbana

444 Music Choice: Salsa y Merengue

445 Music Choice: Mexicana

446 Music Choice: Rock En Espanol

447 Music Choice: Americana

448 Music Choice: Opera

510 NBA League Pass/MLS Direct Kick (01)

511 NBA League Pass/MLS Direct Kick (02)

512 NBA League Pass/MLS Direct Kick (03)

513 NBA League Pass

514 NBA League Pass/MLS Direct Kick (05)

515 - 516 NBA League Pass/MLS Direct Kick

517 NBA League Pass/MLS Direct Kick (08)

518 NBA League Pass/MLS Direct Kick (09)

519 NBA League Pass

520 - 521 NBA Season Pass

550 ESPN News

551 Fox Soccer Channel

552 Fox College Sports Pacific

553 Fox College Sports Central

554 Fox College Sports Atlantic

555 Fox Sports Español - TV / Canal

556 The Tennis Channel

557 CBS College Sports Network

558 NBA TV

559 FUEL

560 NHL Network

577 Time Warner Sports On Demand

700 WBGH HD

701 WBNG HD

702 WICZ HD

703 WIVT HD

704 WSKG HD

705 HD Theater

706 TNT HD

719 ESPN-HD

720 ESPN2 High Definition

721 YES Network HD

722 SportsNet NY HD

750 WSKGD Create

751 HBO East High Definition

763 Cinemax HD East

773 Showtime High Definition

781 The Movie Channel HD

785 Starz HD East

787 Starz Kids and Family HD

788 Starz Edge HD

791 MGM HD

793 HD Net

794 HDNET Movies

795 Universal HD

799 HD Showcase

803 Versus HD

804 NHL HD

805 The Golf Channel HD

806 ESPN News HD

808 SportsNet NY HD

809 YES Network HD

810 ESPN-HD

811 ESPN2 High Definition

812 ESPNU HD

816 Palladia

817 A&E High Definition

818 The History Channel HD

819 Discovery Channel HD

822 TBS in HD

824 CNN HD

825 TLC HD

826 HGTV HD

827 Food Network HD

829 National Geographic HD

830 Planet Green HD

831 Animal Planet HD

832 Science Channel HD

837 Travel Channel HD

838 BIO HD

839 LMNHD

840 Disney HD

841 ABC Family HD

842 Toon Disney HD

897 Classic Movies On Demand

898 Kids & Teens Movies On Demand

899 MOD Thrillers

900 Movies On Demand

901 TV Guide On Demand

902 Movies on Demand HD

903 Free Movies On Demand

904 International Movies on Demand

905 On Demand en Espanol

910 - 919 Movies On Demand By Title

920 HBO On Demand

921 Cinemax On Demand

922 Showtime On Demand

923 TMC On Demand

929 Howard TV On Demand

930 Adult On Demand

946 Kids On Demand

947 Kids On Demand Preschool

951 Lifestyle on Demand

962 BBC America On Demand

963 Biography On Demand

964 National Geographic On Demand

970 Sportskool On Demand

972 News & World On Demand

973 Exercise TV On Demand

977 Entertainment On Demand

978 Music On Demand

984 Cutting Edge On Demand

990 Oxygen On Demand

991 Music Choice On Demand: Pop & Rock

992 Music Choice On Demand: Urban & Latin

998 Events On Demand

999 Answers On Demand

1001 News & Information

1010 The Legislative Channel

1011 New York 1 News

1012 Time Warner Cable Sports

1015 Sports On Demand

1024 News 10 Now SkyTracker Radar 24/7

1100 NBA League Pass HD

1101 NBA League Pass/MLS Direct Kick (01)

1102 NBA League Pass/MLS Direct Kick (02)


1103 NBA League Pass/MLS Direct Kick (03)

1104 NBA League Pass/MLS Direct Kick (04)

1105 NBA League Pass/MLS Direct Kick (05)

1106 NBA League Pass/MLS Direct Kick (06)

1107 NBA League Pass/MLS Direct Kick (07)

1108 NBA League Pass/MLS Direct Kick (08)

1109 NBA League Pass/MLS Direct Kick (09)

1110 NBA League Pass/MLS Direct Kick (10)

1120 MLB Extra Innings HD

1121 NHL Center Ice - MLB Extra Innings (1)

1122 NHL Center Ice - MLB Extra Innings (2)

1123 NHL Center Ice - MLB Extra Innings (3)

1124 NHL Center Ice - MLB Extra Innings (4)

1125 NHL Center Ice - MLB Extra Innings (5)

1126 NHL Center Ice - MLB Extra Innings (6)

1127 NHL Center Ice - MLB Extra Innings (7)

1128 NHL Center Ice - MLB Extra Innings (8)

1129 NHL Center Ice - MLB Extra Innings (9)

1130 - 1134 NHL Center Ice - MLB Extra Innings

1141 - 1146 ESPN Game Plan/ESPN Full Court

1200 Photoshow TV

1276 Automotive On Demand

1278 Find It On Demand

1279 Elections 08 On Demand

1280 Movie Trailers On Demand

1281 My Life On Demand

1282 Journey TV On Demand

1300 HD PPV Events

1301 Events iN DEMAND

1302 Events iN DEMAND 2

1303 Events On Demand

1310 Outrageous On Demand

1311 Howard TV On Demand

1312 Adult On Demand

1314 Playboy

1315 Spice: XCESS

1316 Club Jenna

1317 Penthouse TV

1318 TEN Clips

1319 TEN Blox

1320 TEN Blue

1321 Digital Hot Choice

1750 Movies On Demand

1850 Answers On Demand

I think those are the standard cable channels if you use a box. I was getting the channel on a QAM station- something like 103.XXX

I think those are the standard cable channels if you use a box. I was getting the channel on a QAM station- something like 103.XXX


Right....QAM assignments are totally controlled by the cable provider (TWC). Here is a definition of QAM....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAM_tuner

You may have seen them yesterday on 103.XXX and find them on a totally different channel tomorrow.

Is it possible for QAM to carry guide data? That's the one thing I miss from ATSC.

I am new to this forum and am wondering if this is the appropriate place to post a question regarding antennas and usage? I live in Lawrenceville, PA and am looking to receive both VHF (channel 12 in Binghamton) and several UHF channels in the Elmira/Corning area.

Go to http://antennaweb.org to get info about those channels.

However, I suspect that you'll need a rotor on a fairly large antenna to get reception.

I have visited both antennaweb and tvfool. My dilemma is that the main stations I can receive now (barely in the case of 12 and 48) are on widely different azimuths. I receive 12 (97 degrees magnetic), 18 (63 degrees), 36 (64 degrees) and 48 (12 degrees) using an indoor amplified "rabbit ears" antenna.

When I built my house, I ran two RG-11 runs a distance of about 120' from near a storage shed underground to my house. I didn't think about running a rotor wire as I was planning originally to just get a satellite dish. I've now decided to get an OTA antenna first.

It appears that my choices are something like these:

1. Use a large VHF/UHF antenna such as a Winegard 8200P and fix it for the best reception compromise on the above channels.

2. Use a ROTR100 that I can power over the coax, but this limits me to a 130" length antenna so I must use a lower gain unit such as Winegard's 7080 or maybe 7084 which is on the edge of the ROTR100's advertised capability. I wasn't sure if the more precise aim would overcome the lower gain as compated to the 8200.

3. Use two antennas, a large VHF aimed at Binghamton and an UHF on the ROTR100. I believe I can stack one on top of the other, but I can also mount two masts on the storage shed if needed.

Any thoughts on these options? Is there a better option I have overlooked? Is there a rotor other than the ROTR100 which can be powered via the coax yet has the torque to handle the 8200 class antennas?

You can use two or more antennas aimed at different azimuths. But, you'll need to either run separate lines to each and use a switch or combine them onto one line. I'll let others explain how to do that.

You can use two or more antennas aimed at different azimuths. But, you'll need to either run separate lines to each and use a switch or combine them onto one line. I'll let others explain how to do that.

I will likely use a pre-amp given the length of my cable runs and I believe that most pre-amps have two inputs to allow either separate VHF and UHF inputs or a combined input. I assume that the amplifier takes care of "mixing" the signals appropriately, but maybe this is only the case of a single channel VHF antenna is used with a UHF antenna. Does the use of a pre-amp eliminate the need for a switch?

If you can properly combine two antennas so that the frequencies don't interfere, then a switch wouldn't be necessary. Do a search for something called a jointenna.

Right....QAM assignments are totally controlled by the cable provider (TWC). Here is a definition of QAM....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAM_tuner

You may have seen them yesterday on 103.XXX and find them on a totally different channel tomorrow.

This does not make too much sense to me because I have had the same QAM stations (minus the new CBS HD) for over a year, they have never changed. Now I am just trying to get that consistant channel on the CBS side!?!?!?!?

It probably won't happen until at least 12/23.

This does not make too much sense to me because I have had the same QAM stations (minus the new CBS HD) for over a year, they have never changed. Now I am just trying to get that consistant channel on the CBS side!?!?!?!?


Yes..for the most part they stay the same....BUT they DO change. In the Elmira area they actually just changed last week. The cable provider has complete control over the assignments. The reason you can't find a consistant channel for CBS is because TWC keeps changing it. In the Elmira area they are moving towards making the QAM assignments match ATSC channels. (i.e. WETM-DT channel 18 now has a QAM assignment of 18.1....where it used to be on 79.3.) They haven't turned off 79.3 yet, but my guess is that they will soon. I'm betting that you'll eventually find WBNG consistantly on QAM 12.1 soon. Most people don't even know about QAM so changing the channels around won't matter to 99% of the customers because they all exclusively use a set top box.

Called the installer and he had me check the signal strengths, which ranged from 66 to 95 on satellite 101. He's claiming my dish might be out of alignment. Won't be able to check until Sunday/Monday at the earliest.
How did you make out with your signal problems? Did the installer come out and take a look at it? Did he swap out the LNB for you?

Yes he came out, he said the LNB's looked fine to him, he said the mount for the dish was a little loose and he tightened it up and realigned it a bit. He said everything else looked good. I haven't had a problem since then. Actually everything was working fine the day before he came.

He's a nice guy, didn't charge me at all for the service call.

That's good to hear. What are your signal readings now on 101, 99c and 103c (in good weather)?

Also, was he an older gentleman, perhaps with a very young installer he was training? That's who came and fixed my dish after the initial installer bunged it up this summer. I forget his name - the good installer - but he was very nice.

so how was the first week of HD CBS football on TWC?....since I can't get it in the Elmira area

That's good to hear. What are your signal readings now on 101, 99c and 103c (in good weather)?

I'll post up when the weather is better, but after he did it he checked the signal readings and they were all in the 90's.

Also, was he an older gentleman, perhaps with a very young installer he was training? That's who came and fixed my dish after the initial installer bunged it up this summer. I forget his name - the good installer - but he was very nice.

He's an older guy I'd say in his mid-late 50's, named Jim. When he installed it, and this last time, it was just him. His businesses name goes by Reach for the Stars, they're out of Conklin.

So I was talking to someone I know today that works for AT&T, we were talking about how 3G finally launched around here, and he said wait until next year. Supposedly we're high on the list for AT&T to roll out U-Verse. He's the second person that works for AT&T that's told me that.

You may want to read this thread.
http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=148127

To be honest I'm not interested in U-Verse because their HD lineup isn't that great. Out of all services the one I'd like to get is FiOS, but I haven't heard anything about that coming here in a while now. I know someone that lays cable line and they said that their company was bidding to do Verizon work in 2009, but he wasn't sure what for.

Well, maybe if AT&T is aggressive with U-Verse it'll force Verizon to get off their duffs and deploy FIOS. Anything that presents more options than TWC is fine by me.

Is it possible for QAM to carry guide data? That's the one thing I miss from ATSC.

Yes. In fact, Cable cos are required to not strip out the PSIP data as they pass the signal onto their system in the QAM256 format. Comcast down in Philly passes it along, thus channels all properly map to their old ID #s(KYW ch 3 maps to 3-1, WPVI ch 6 maps to 6-1, etc). They also have program names and times for about 12hrs ahead, but the show descriptions do not show up like they do with ATSC digital signals that go out over the airwaves.

From the reports it seems like TW is working on it. PSIP data is what tells channel 100-3 to show up on your tuner as 12-1, even though it is really at the frequency for channel 100, not channel 12. PSIP also can contain timestamp, program name, program description, format flag, etc.

Any reports from TWC users about the QAM status of WBNG?

Any reports from TWC users about the QAM status of WBNG?

I'm in Oneonta and it's still only on 12-1.

Can someone explain to me why TWC can broadcast ABC and NBC to me via QAM but I can't get them through the cable box. I've never quite understood this crap. I believe it has to do with FCC regs. and the fact that the Utica market screws it all up for Oneonta.

I heard that TWC will offer the MLB Channel when it launches on 1/1/09. No clue whether it'll be the SD or HD version.

Can someone explain to me why TWC can broadcast ABC and NBC to me via QAM but I can't get them through the cable box. I've never quite understood this crap. I believe it has to do with FCC regs. and the fact that the Utica market screws it all up for Oneonta.

Another frustrated Oneontan here, with only a TW cable box. It's pretty sad to think that even with the arrival of WBNG-HD we now have just two HD feed among the "big 4" networks from TWC, with still no NBC or ABC in sight.

I'm pretty sure you're right that the problem stems from us being classified as in the Utica market. However, my understanding is that WKTV (NBC) has finally gone HD, so now do we wait two years for a carriage agreement?

Another frustrated Oneontan here, with only a TW cable box. It's pretty sad to think that even with the arrival of WBNG-HD we now have just two HD feed among the "big 4" networks from TWC, with still no NBC or ABC in sight.

I'm pretty sure you're right that the problem stems from us being classified as in the Utica market. However, my understanding is that WKTV (NBC) has finally gone HD, so now do we wait two years for a carriage agreement?Actually, ABC is supposedly on its way very soon, according to the TW CNY website:

"WUTR HD will launch on ch. 703 on 12/30/08 in Oneonta, Cooperstown, New Berlin."

Here's the link: http://www.timewarnercable.com/centralny/programming/programnews.html

The problem with getting the networks in HD is that the Oneonta branch (which I am on) is like a hybrid of the Binghamton and Utica areas. As such, we don't get all the Binghamton channels (in analog), and therefore, we're not "supposed" to get the HD versions of those channels. Why they are available on QAM I have no idea, but I haven't gone around advertising it for fear that if enough attention is brought to the fact that we're getting "out of market" HD channels, some legal issues could crop up and they'd alter or block the QAM channels of NBC and ABC (WIVT or whatever it is). Does anyone know if there's any chance of Time Warner hooking up with WKTV(NBC) out of Utica for an HD channel?

Even weirder about our Cable system is how or why we get channel 26, WRGB (CBS) out of Albany in analog.

Also, the website says this about MLB Network:

"MLB Network will launch to the Digital Explorer Pak on 1/1/09 on channel 100."

So as of right now, it doesn't sound like it will be available in HD. I imagine it might eventually show up, however.

nice.. getting some free premium stations on RF112-001, RF114-001, and RF115-001

If they are premium stations, enjoy them while you can.
They will probably go away.

TWC is running a free preview of Starz and HBO till the end of the year. I couldn't find the stations on unencrypted QAM, I think all of the premium stations are under SDV, so a QAM tuner can't/won't be able to tune them... I see several like 114-243 and such, but they are all encrypted.

January 1st is almost here and I haven't seen any indication of WENY in Elmira having they're CBS station ready to go or ABC in HD. Has anybody heard anything? I don't understand why Time warner cant open up WBNG in HD for us until they do have it available.

Here is what I found on the system(my location is Apalachin)

79-13 - WIVT-DT(ABC)
79-14 - WBGH-DT(NBC)
85-2 -WSKG Create(PBS)
85-13 - WSKG-DT(PBS)
85-14 - WICZ-DT(FOX)

90-70 - OnDemand previews

94-1 - WICZ-DT(FOX)
94-2 - WIVT-DT(ABC)
94-3 - WSKG-DT(PBS)
94-5 - WSKG Create

100-1 - WBGH-DT(NBC)
100-2 - WBPN-DT(MNT)
100-3 - WBNG-DT(CBS)

Not sure why there are dups, they don't remap or anything.

Also they are testing out to ch 122 with a test pattern. Ch 120 and 122 have test patterns on them. Good to see they are testing way up near 780MHZ on a 750 plant.


I am still not getting CBS QAM, I receive the rest but I do not receive anything in the 100s or 12-1, should I be contacting TWC? Is it possible that my signal is weaker and I need to beef it up in order to get CBS QAM?

check 42-42

check 42-42

Nope that did not work either, I have done multiple scans and I am not receiving CBS QAM...should I contact TWC to see if I can possibly beef up my signal with maybe an amplifier?

TW may have not enabled WBNG on QAM yet.

It may be a contract thing again. :)

TW may have not enabled WBNG on QAM yet.

It may be a contract thing again. :)

Ok so CBS may not be out on QAM yet is what you are saying? I wonder though if I contact TWC they can at least shed some light on whether or not I should be receiving CBS on QAM!?!?!?

No harm in asking.!!

Ok so CBS may not be out on QAM yet is what you are saying? I wonder though if I contact TWC they can at least shed some light on whether or not I should be receiving CBS on QAM!?!?!?
Have you tried manually inputting the channel, such as 12.1(12 period 1).
Sometimes the TV doesn't scan all the channels in.

Have you tried manually inputting the channel, such as 12.1(12 period 1).
Sometimes the TV doesn't scan all the channels in.

I have tried inputting every channel possible that people have stated could be CBS QAM but nothing comes up. My father who lives in a different part of town also has the same TV as myself and I tried scanning and inputting manually and he also does not get this channel. I am still wondering if TWC hasn't figured out or completed the QAM for CBS. I may contact them today!!!

January 1st is almost here and I haven't seen any indication of WENY in Elmira having they're CBS station ready to go or ABC in HD. Has anybody heard anything? I don't understand why Time warner cant open up WBNG in HD for us until they do have it available.
I've seen some print ads in the Star-Gazette and some broadcast ads on WENY that say that January 1 is the big day. The print ad was a little cryptic, but to me it indicated that they will be broadcasting their news in HD as well.

I've seen some print ads in the Star-Gazette and some broadcast ads on WENY that say that January 1 is the big day. The print ad was a little cryptic, but to me it indicated that they will be broadcasting their news in HD as well.

I guess we'll jus have to wait until Thursday........

I guess we'll jus have to wait until Thursday........

Let's keep our fingers crossed.

It seems to me that they would be running some tests to get the bugs out now. Kind of like wydc fox did when they went HD. I didnt know they planned on broadcasting the news in HD, that might boost up their ratings quite a bit. I usually watch wetm news, but I would switch over to the other guys for Hd.

It seems to me that they would be running some tests to get the bugs out now. Kind of like wydc fox did when they went HD. I didnt know they planned on broadcasting the news in HD, that might boost up their ratings quite a bit. I usually watch wetm news, but I would switch over to the other guys for Hd.

Agreed. They should be testing it.
WENY has lip sync issues now with their programming and can't seem to get that right.

They don't have the equipment for HD news (field cameras, digital switcher, studio cameras, etc., etc.). Don't hold your breath for HD news on WENY. None of the stations in either Binghamton or Elmira are in a financial position to start up an HD newscast. Same goes for most of the other markets upstate.

There is a article in the paper today saying the date has been pushed out a week or two. "missing parts" big surprise!

I'm not so sure I want to see Steve Christy in HD anyway.

I saw in the newspaper article that WENY will be starting up a 7pm newscast on the CBS channel. Maybe that is what the cryptic reference to "news" in the print ad referred to.

I have tried inputting every channel possible that people have stated could be CBS QAM but nothing comes up. My father who lives in a different part of town also has the same TV as myself and I tried scanning and inputting manually and he also does not get this channel. I am still wondering if TWC hasn't figured out or completed the QAM for CBS. I may contact them today!!!

What city do you live in? If you are still in Endicott then you should have that channel, along w/ WBGH as it is broadcast on the same freq. if you do not have it then i would call TWC and have someone come out to check your signals.

I heard that TWC will offer the MLB Channel when it launches on 1/1/09. No clue whether it'll be the SD or HD version.

CH 100 is the SD version. HD is still a few months out.

nice.. getting some free premium stations on RF112-001, RF114-001, and RF115-001

The channels you are recieving are VOD QAMS. They will only work when someone else in your SG orders a VOD.

Why is the LMN HD channel covered in red digital junk whenever red items moving quickly?
Now its not the TV, all my other HD channels look great and I looked at all 3 of my HDTVs
Do they have some crappy scaler on the network or is it issue with TWC getting it messed up? Anyone have LMN in HD on Sat and is your picture like this?

While Im at it we still have no 12 in HD Darn it!!

Why is the LMN HD channel covered in red digital junk whenever red items moving quickly?
Now its not the TV, all my other HD channels look great and I looked at all 3 of my HDTVs
Do they have some crappy scaler on the network or is it issue with TWC getting it messed up? Anyone have LMN in HD on Sat and is your picture like this?


WOW I FOUND 12 in HD

Most likely you are seeing motion artifacts due to high video compression being used.

I only have Roadrunner from TWC (I have Directv). Today I hooked up the RR line to my Sony TV to see if I'd get any channels via QAM tuner. I'm happy to report I get WBNG, WBGH, WIVT, WICZ and WSKG all in HD (along with a few other analog SD channels that I don't really care about). Some of the channel numbers are a little weird to me, and I get the same station on more than one channel (like WBGH on 20.1 and 20.20), but it's nice to have a backup to my antenna that is connected to my D* HD DVR.

Oh, and WBNG HD comes in as channel 12.1 via QAM for me (just like it does OTA).

Most likely you are seeing motion artifacts due to high video compression being used.
well the other HD chanels dont have it

CH 100 is the SD version. HD is still a few months out.

A few months out for TWC, but it's airing in HD on a number of providers. I have it in HD on D*.

well the other HD chanels dont have itIf I remember I'll look at LMN via DirecTV. But, it could be an over compression by TWC.

Dang it. I forgot that LMN isn't in HD on DirecTV yet.

darn, i was looking forward to seeing regis and kelly in HD today, but no go- in fact, it's grainier than ever! wtf? GMA and The View are in HD, why not Regis and Ellen?

edit: definitely, the HD station is much more grainier and worse than the SD.

Don't worry about it, as Regis and Kelly aren't in HD on WABC (ch 86) from NY. Do you really want to see Regis in HD? Oh, it's Kelly you want to see. :)

ha

really? you'd think that the ABC station in NYC would have it for sure, for one it's NYC and the show is also hosted there!

Do we know if the show is produced in HD?

I believe it is a syndicated show and different affiliates pick it up.
Go here and enter New York state.
http://bventertainment.go.com/tv/buenavista/regisandkelly/local_listings.html

LIVE withRegis and Kelly is a live show that airs at 9AM (hence the name ;) )

It is also mentioned here: http://news.lalate.com/2009/01/01/regis-kelly-new-opening/ as well as a few other sources since November that it was to be HD starting today, and on the show today, they kept talking about being in HD. And there was confirmation on the show today from viewers about how they can see it in HD.

Ellen which is syndicated, was supposed to go HD a couple of months ago, but we're still unable to view it here in Binghamton.

Anyone have any updated info on this? I can't seem to get a straight clear cut answer. I have not received CBS QAM yet nor has my father who has the same TV. We both live in Endicott. Like I said I get the rest of the stations in QAM no problem except I can seem to get CBS. Any info or suggestions please let me know.

My brother does get WBNG on 12-1, however his TV (32" LG) doesn't list it in the QAM list. I guess this is still a work in progress.

He also gets 20-1 (NBC) which is a duplicate of one of the others.

I have an DTV HD DVR that has the OTA ability to record. I got the antenna to get the CBS HD feed since it was not available on TW. I still get the basic TW package to get NBC and ABC since the signal for ABC is weak and NBC is non existent.

My question is, since all my HD locals are available over the TW feed now, can I unhook my OTA from my DVR and plug in the TW cable and have the ability to record those feeds?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

No. The HD DVR records OTA using an ATSC terrestrial tuner. The cable sends HD using QAM or a dedicated cable box.

No. The HD DVR records OTA using an ATSC terrestrial tuner. The cable sends HD using QAM or a dedicated cable box.

Thanks....

Do you know of any DVR product that would allow this?

Thanks....

Do you know of any DVR product that would allow this?

My guess is that you would need a DVR with QAM support....

See this thread..

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=988785

Not sure if this helps at all or not...

If you don't need to record the QAM, then get a DVR from TWC. This will allow you to record all HD, I think. :)

LIVE withRegis and Kelly is a live show that airs at 9AM (hence the name ;) )

It is also mentioned here: http://news.lalate.com/2009/01/01/regis-kelly-new-opening/ as well as a few other sources since November that it was to be HD starting today, and on the show today, they kept talking about being in HD. And there was confirmation on the show today from viewers about how they can see it in HD.

Ellen which is syndicated, was supposed to go HD a couple of months ago, but we're still unable to view it here in Binghamton.

Only FOX 40 in this area has the capability to broadcast syndicated shows in HD.
WBNG can't and has no plans to get the server required to broadcast syndicated shows, they can only do real time network feed HD.
Oparh is in HD and WBNG can't broadcast it(no capability), so good luck getting Regis & Kelly in HD in this area, as long as it's with WBNG, the self proclaimed "Area Leader".

Only FOX 40 in this area has the capability to broadcast syndicated shows in HD.
WBNG can't and has no plans to get the server required to broadcast syndicated shows, they can only do real time network feed HD.
Oparh is in HD and WBNG can't broadcast it(no capability), so good luck getting Regis & Kelly in HD in this area, as long as it's with WBNG, the self proclaimed "Area Leader".
Just to clarify, Regis & Kelly is on WIVT, not WBNG. In either case, good luck with either of them installing the hardware needed for syndicated HD.

Just to clarify, Regis & Kelly is on WIVT, not WBNG. In either case, good luck with either of them installing the hardware needed for syndicated HD.

Sorry about the mix up, I always watch NYC stations, Both Oprah AND Regis & Kelly are on Channel 7(WABC).

I just got around to actually watching today's Live with R & K on WABC and yes it is HD. Sorry about that.

However, the picture looks a little soft.

Anyone have any updated info on this? I can't seem to get a straight clear cut answer. I have not received CBS QAM yet nor has my father who has the same TV. We both live in Endicott. Like I said I get the rest of the stations in QAM no problem except I can seem to get CBS. Any info or suggestions please let me know.

I find CBS on QAM channel 100 using my HDHOMERUN network tuner (PC based) (I'm in Vestal). Maybe your TV doesn't support tuning that high of a QAM channel? Sometime when I can I'll do a scan with my Sony RP LCD TV to see if it finds it or not.

Well, Regis and Kelly isn't syndicated in Binghamton, It looks like it may only be syndicated in Elmira when it airs at 10am. Again, if GMA and The View are able to be broadcast in HD, there's no reason I can think of that Regis and Kelly can't be.

Well, Regis and Kelly isn't syndicated in Binghamton, It looks like it may only be syndicated in Elmira when it airs at 10am. Again, if GMA and The View are able to be broadcast in HD, there's no reason I can think of that Regis and Kelly can't be.

How would it not be syndicated? It's not a Network show, so that makes it syndicated. And if the station wants it in HD, it comes out of their pocket, which is why WETM doesn't offer Jeopardy and Wheel Of Fortune in HD.

I find CBS on QAM channel 100 using my HDHOMERUN network tuner (PC based) (I'm in Vestal). Maybe your TV doesn't support tuning that high of a QAM channel? Sometime when I can I'll do a scan with my Sony RP LCD TV to see if it finds it or not.

I notice that when I do a digital scan of channels it does pick up channels in the 100s but when I tune to the channel I just get a "channel unavailable" signal. I still have not been able to retrieve the QAM WBNG on 12-1. Now funny thing is my father who has the same tv also cannot but he went over to TWC yesterday to get a new box and the person at the desk said that they could not believe he would get HD stations without an HD Box...TWC is a joke!!!

How would it not be syndicated? It's not a Network show, so that makes it syndicated. And if the station wants it in HD, it comes out of their pocket, which is why WETM doesn't offer Jeopardy and Wheel Of Fortune in HD.

Ah, for some reason I thought it was only on ABC

I just hooked up my Terk HDTVO Antenna rated Blue Zone to my Samsung HDTV and I received with the help of TVfool.com 11 digital channels and 9 analog from my location off of main/17c in JC. I installed the HDTVO antenna in my attic and pointed it toward syracuse, figuring i am about 5-10 miles from the binghamton towers and I picked up 2 syracuse stations. TVFool is a really good site, that includes google map incorporated signal maps and online versions as well. I hooked the amplifier up as directed but do not have it on as it seems to overload most channels.

12.1 WBNG (CBS)
20 WBGH (NBC)
26 W26bS(TBN)
34.1 WIVT (ABC)
40.1 WICZ (FOX)
40.2 MYNetwork
42.6 (Assuming PBS Radio)
42.7 (Assuming PBS Radio)
43.1 WNYS(MyN-Syracuse)
46.1 WSKG(PBS)
46.2 WSKG(PBS)
46.3 WSKG Create(PBS)
68.1 WSYT(Fox Syracuse)

I cancelled my cable!! I wrote an email to WBNG on 12-22, in regards to WBXI the WB station and Chris Ball an engineering supervisor replyed "Yes, we do plan to put WBXI over the air digitally on 12.2. I do not have an exact date but it will be available before Februaury 17." Which seems promising. I emailed WIVT in regards to WBGH but I have not heard anything back yet. I also called WENY in regards to their OTA HD and spoke to the new director. He stated that they will be broadcasting CBS, ABC and CW by the 2-17 deadline but was not sure if they were going to have the CW up when they put up ABC and CBS.

Anyone have success in pulling any scranton/wilkes barre stations from a Bing/JC area? I couldnt get anything in the few times I tried, probably due to my antenna being in the attic. Its a great small antenna so I am happy either way!

Thanks for listening

Interesting that the Terk can bring in 34-1 since it currently is using ch4 (low VHF). You must be in direct line of sight to the towers. And ch 12-1 uses ch 7 and ch 40-1 is using ch 8. Those being in the high VHF band, a UHF antenna can receive them.

Are you having any multipath (ghosting) problems?

No problems what so ever, the terk is a UHF/VHF antenna, when i do channel search on my TV it picks the channels up on 4,7,etc but the channel numbers are 12.1 and 34.1. I have no issues with my signal or picture quality even with the syracuse stations even though they are 50-60 miles away.

link to the antenna thru newegg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168821450088

Exactly which model antenna do you have?

its listed as TERK HDTVO Ampliflier antenna on newegg and amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Terk-HDTVO-HDtv-Antenna-Amplified/dp/B0009W9WHQ

Interesting that it is listed as a UHF antenna.

Are you using it inside?

yes, I have it mounted in the attic of my two story apt pointing at about 350-355degrees toward syracuse. I am running RG6 reg coax to the amp which is hooked directly to the TV. I actually cut my timewarner line running thru the attic and crimped a connector to the line and hooked it up to the antenna.

So you are only using it for Syracuse?

I just have it pointed toward syracuse to pick up the extra channels, I am close enough to the towers in binghamton(5-10miles) that I dont have to have it pointed toward them to received 8-10 bars of signal strength. Samsung uses bars not percentages.

For MY43 in SYR my signal strength is about 55-60% with no signal loss and FOX in SYR signal strength is 75-80%

Must be nice to be that close to the towers with no interference. :)

I'm only 9.5 miles from the towers but Crocker hill is in the way. :(

That stinks, does the hill cut your reception right down?

How much would my reception of distance stations improve if I moved my antenna outdoors? My Antenna height now is about 35 above the road but only about 15 or so feet above the ground in the attic, home is built into the hill

For those of you doing OTA in E-town, and I know that we're in the minority, I found some interesting info via Wiki articles today. According to one for the WENY CBS and ABC digital broadcasts here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WENY-TV), while the TWC feeds are to start this week, OTA won't begin until the flash cut date in February and the broadcast will be out of Corning. Probably the same facility that is used for WSKA-DT.

Also, the Wiki entry for WYDC here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WYDC-TV) there's mention of a future Digital transmission on the flash cut date and, if you look at the coordinates and height (334 meters), it seems to be similar to the WSKA-DT coordinates mentioned in this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WSKG-TV) Wiki for WSKG/WSKA.

So, it seems there might be four broadcasts coming out of the Corning facility. I'm not an engineer, but that seems like an awful lot.

That stinks, does the hill cut your reception right down?

How much would my reception of distance stations improve if I moved my antenna outdoors? My Antenna height now is about 35 above the road but only about 15 or so feet above the ground in the attic, home is built into the hill
I have a large Winegard antenna and I do get the Binghamton stations. Ch 34 gives me breakups, but I hope that will change once they move back to ch34 as their frequency. I also get breakups on the other stations, but not as bad as 34.

My antenna is on my roof. Maybe 25' above ground level. Going outdoors won't hurt as you do have some attenuation through your roof.

It seems like a lot of local stations are waiting to last minute to "flash cut" their signals, I spoke to WENY yesterday and their news manager and he stated they are still working on their DTV equipment and hopefully it will be up by the end of the month but nothing firm

thats stinks JD, have you ever used tvfool.com, what type of signal levels do they state for your location?

It seems like a lot of local stations are waiting to last minute to "flash cut" their signals, I spoke to WENY yesterday and their news manager and he stated they are still working on their DTV equipment and hopefully it will be up by the end of the month but nothing firm

Yup, that sounds like WENY. :rolleyes:

Does anyone know anything about WXXW http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WXXW-LP more than what is listed here, it shown as channel 6 on tvfool.com when entering my address, does this station exist?

thats stinks JD, have you ever used tvfool.com, what type of signal levels do they state for your location?I had installed the Winegard before I was pointed to TVFools.com, so it really doesn't matter right now. Once Ch 34 reverts to their original frequency, I may look into getting a smaller antenna.

It seems like a lot of local stations are waiting to last minute to "flash cut" their signals, I spoke to WENY yesterday and their news manager and he stated they are still working on their DTV equipment and hopefully it will be up by the end of the month but nothing firm
Their ads used to say "On January 1, Expect Everything". Maybe it should be changed to "By February, Expect Something". :rolleyes:

If it's going to be a few more weeks, I don't see why TWC doesn't give us WBNG-HD in the interim?

Their ads used to say "On January 1, Expect Everything". Maybe it should be changed to "By February, Expect Something". :rolleyes:

If it's going to be a few more weeks, I don't see why TWC doesn't give us WBNG-HD in the interim?

Exactly why should we be punished because our local station stinks on ice.

I think it will be interesting on the 17 or 18th of February on what changes will be complete and what stations will and will not be DTV or available.

All full power stations (if they exist) are now digital.
Just may not be in HD or available on cable systems.

my comment was pertaining to the information in regards to additional channels, such as the CW as well as the Elmira situation. I think it will be interesting to see how things will playout.

Has anyone heard anything about WIVT putting WBGH on a sub channel of 34.2?

I'm waiting for WBNG to put The CW on a subchannel (12-2).
But, not holding my breath while I wait. :)

Of course, it won't be in HD.

Like I said early, WBNG's engineer stated they do plan on having the CW on a sub channel by the 17th but who knows with our local networks

17th of what month? :)

Again, not holding my breath. :D

1)

2) I email the news director (Scott Cook) about 6 weeks ago or so and he's the one that replied with this information about doing HD for both networks. This is a direct quote from his email....

"I can tell you, we are in the midst of the digital build-out, and plan to
"go digital" on or before Jan. 1. The plan is to begin broadcasting the
networks' (ABC & CBS) HD programming at the same time."

Scott Cook, News Director



OK, so it's January 7th. And still no WENY CBS. Still waiting for the part apparently. "Expect nothing" should be their new slogan.

I spoke to WENY earlier last week and they stated that are still working on getting it up, hopefully by the end of the month for the ABC/CBS/CW build out. They couldnt confirm if the CW would be going up at the same time as ABC/CBS

Should we expect WBGH to be simulcast on WIVT once WIVT moves from channel 4 to 34?

"in April of 2009, we are planning to move our digital signal to a permanent digital channel 34 which is UHF where it will also be operating at significantly higher power. This move occurs after the analog shutoff date which is February 2009 as mandated by the FCC." Seems like another few months for a lot of people in Binghamton to get ABC

I don't know why you guys are getting excited for The CW subchannel on WBNG, there isn't anything worthwhile on CW... and it just sucks bandwidth from WBNG's main channel, reducing HD quality. Although WBNG seems to be doing a great job of that on their own, for a digital signal with no subchannels it looks like garbage, tons of macroblocking.

Anyone in the area using a Windows computer with an antenna to watch digital TV? If WBNG looks that bad, we could analyze the bitrate on it...

- Trip

I don't know why you guys are getting excited for The CW subchannel on WBNG, there isn't anything worthwhile on CW... and it just sucks bandwidth from WBNG's main channel, reducing HD quality. Although WBNG seems to be doing a great job of that on their own, for a digital signal with no subchannels it looks like garbage, tons of macroblocking.The only shows on The CW that I currently watch are Supernatural and Smallvile. But, since the DNS station on DirecTV doesn't have HD I usually download it and burn them to DVD for watching. So I guess I'm not one anxiously awaiting The CW as a subchannel.

Maybe someday our missing stations will have full power channels of their own.

While it may not be that exicitng, having another channel to view is always a plus, being that I only view TV over the air

In my experience, WBNG is the best looking HD signal OTA that I receive when HD content is shown, such as sports or evening programs

Has anyone heard anything about WIVT putting WBGH on a sub channel of 34.2?
I personally hope they don't, because then I fear they would rescind my DNS waiver that allows me to get NBC-HD out of NYC from Directv.

I don't know why you guys are getting excited for The CW subchannel on WBNG, there isn't anything worthwhile on CW... and it just sucks bandwidth from WBNG's main channel, reducing HD quality. Although WBNG seems to be doing a great job of that on their own, for a digital signal with no subchannels it looks like garbage, tons of macroblocking.
Wow, I think HD content on WBNG looks great. I agree their local SD content is pathetic looking, but I never see any macroblocking. Are you getting it OTA?

[QUOTE=Wow, I think HD content on WBNG looks great. I agree their local SD content is pathetic looking, but I never see any macroblocking. Are you getting it OTA?[/QUOTE]


I agree completely :)

What is this WBNG and WIVT you guys keep speaking of?? I've got no problems with my networks in HD, including the CW ;)

Please elaborate. :)

Well you "live" soooo far away, how would you know what WBNG and WIVT are??? :cool:

I live in the Afton area on the wrong side of a hill and receive little to no reliable over the air analog TV – at least I didn’t the last time I tried with a good antenna and rotor. I assume Digital will be at least as bad. None of my TVs have a digital tuner - and I won't be replacing them soon.

I’m currently on cable but have been considering a move to Dish Network to get more HD and perhaps reduce the cost some. The lack of availability of networks is holding me back however.

The Dish DVR has a ATSC tuner which apparently works well with over the air signals – if you get them. I was wondering if I kept my basic cable would the Dish receiver work with the analog and clear QAM channels they will be providing? Has anyone tried doing this? The alternative would be to buy separate STB and lose the DVR capability for the local channels.

What stations have you tried to get OTA? Binghamton? Syracuse? Elmira?

I doubt that the Dish receiver has a QAM tuner.

You could always go to the higher level with cable and use their DVR.
I can't believe I said that. :)

have you used TVfool.com with your address to help pinpoint antenna placement?

I found out yesterday the real difference between DTV and HDTV when MY8(Bing) was playing the same movie as MY43(Syracuse) MY8 was in SDTV and MY43 was in 720P and the difference was huge even if in an older movie from the mid 90's. I wish I could show more people who pay 50-60 or more dollars for cable that they can get it for free

I found out yesterday the real difference between DTV and HDTV when MY8(Bing) was playing the same movie as MY43(Syracuse) MY8 was in SDTV and MY43 was in 720P and the difference was huge even if in an older movie from the mid 90's. I wish I could show more people who pay 50-60 or more dollars for cable that they can get it for free

True....but you only get ~7 or so network channels not counting duplicates(NBC,ABC,CBS,FOX,PBS,MYTV,CW) in HD OTA....cable/satellite allows you to get many more channels(anywhere from 35-150) in HD. TNT/TBS runs lots of movies that look great in HD and you can't get that OTA for free. Your statement also assumes that people can actually receive these OTA signals at their location. Many people in this thread alone have diffuculty getting OTA signals even with pricey (not free) antenna/amplifier equipment. OTA is nice AND free....BUT it has it's limitations.

Please elaborate. :)

Let's just say that if the CW went OTA in HD then I'd "move" back to Binghamton.

It's pretty sad that Binghamton has no locals, they're really missing the boat (DirecTV that is). I remember when I signed up for it and I was speaking to a CSR I asked as to the timeframe we could expect locals for Binghamton. The CSR said end of the year or middle of the next. That was almost 2 years ago.

Doesn't TNT/TBS primarily just stretch their 4:3 images? That was my experience with their HD equivalents..A very disappointing HD lineup made me downgrade my cable service to basic cable just to get the qam network stations. everything else i can download through bit torrent or watch with boxee. internet tv is the future

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Doesn't TNT/TBS primarily just stretch their 4:3 images? That was my experience with their HD equivalents.

That was the case with The Office and Seinfeld on TBS-HD, but they are now showing true HD versions of both, which is the reason they've been added to my HD-DVRs recording queue.

HD seinfeld?

ah I just read about it- still cropped though. not enough for me to go back to paying for cable.

Is anyone aware of when Elmira/Horseheads TWC will start broadcasting ABC and CBS in HD? I know that the paper said it would take a week or so but checking everyday is really making me anxious. I keep flipping by the Green HD channel and thinking why do I have this but not the NFL playoffs on CBS. :/

Is anyone aware of when Elmira/Horseheads TWC will start broadcasting ABC and CBS in HD? I know that the paper said it would take a week or so but checking everyday is really making me anxious. I keep flipping by the Green HD channel and thinking why do I have this but not the NFL playoffs on CBS. :/
I dunno, I guess we'll just have to keep waiting and hoping. :(

I'm bummed that TWC can't/won't give us WBNG-HD in the interim.

Anyone in the Binghamton Area know why you can get WBGH(NBC) in hd on timewarner but they are not broadcasting this over the air? Will this take place when WIVT(ABC) gets their tower from California and set up in April?

I believe TW is getting the network feed from WBGH, but WBGH can't yet broadcast it OTA as they are a low power station and don't have the equipment. Because they are a low power station they aren't under the FCC mandates.

I don't think the WIVT tower has anything to do with WBGH, unless they plan to use the same tower. I haven't heard if that's the case. Does WBGH have the HD equipment?

I'm bummed that TWC can't/won't give us WBNG-HD in the interim.

My guess is that it would involve invoking a new contract for the digital feed and, since Elmira TWC plans on using a WENY feed for CBS (whenever that becomes available), that would be pointless.

My guess is that it would involve invoking a new contract for the digital feed and, since Elmira TWC plans on using a WENY feed for CBS (whenever that becomes available), that would be pointless.
Pointless for everyone but the viewers who want to see some football in HD.

If Football's a priority, what are you doing with TWC? I learned that lesson 11 years ago.

I'm glad you said it bidger, I was thinking the same thing. :)

haha I know I know, I just graduated from school and got an apartment in the area and my complex won't let me have Direct tv. I'm stuck with cable...and no ABC or CBS in hd :(

Your apartment complex can't prevent you from getting DirecTV, within certain guidelines. Or install an antenna for that matter.
See http://www.fcc.gov/mb/shva/shviafac.html
And http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html
Basically, you can install a dish if it is not on a "common" area. I'd show these to your manager and ask where you can make the install.

Of course, you need a view to the southwest.

I know I keep beating a dead horse here, but anyone know about CBS QAM in Binghamton area?

Several friends and family members in the Endicott area, when doing digital scans, have not been able to get any sort of QAM for CBS...whats the deal? I thought they had to broadcast all local HD stations over QAM?

Anyone noticed a change with Time Warner DVRs recently?

The past few days I've turned on my TV to find a message displayed that says something to the effect of 'Press any button to watch TV' - when I press a button on the remote I see another message that says something like 'Hard drive is powering up'

Then this morning, I found the DVD turned off, and a show I had tried recording at 1am was split into two pieces - apparently something happened at 1:48am, so I have a 47 minute chunk and a 12 minute chunk.

I figured maybe they pushed out a new firmware update that installed some sort of power savings 'feature' - if that is the case, sure would have been nice if they had provided an option under the 'settings' menu to enable/disable the 'feature.

I know I keep beating a dead horse here, but anyone know about CBS QAM in Binghamton area?

Several friends and family members in the Endicott area, when doing digital scans, have not been able to get any sort of QAM for CBS...whats the deal? I thought they had to broadcast all local HD stations over QAM?My brother reports that WBNG can be found on QAM at 12-1.

WENY is running their ads again which show a bunch of winky-blink lights on a control panel and concrete being poured. Then at the end it says to expect more "in 2009". :rolleyes:

Anyone noticed a change with Time Warner DVRs recently?

The past few days I've turned on my TV to find a message displayed that says something to the effect of 'Press any button to watch TV' - when I press a button on the remote I see another message that says something like 'Hard drive is powering up'

Then this morning, I found the DVD turned off, and a show I had tried recording at 1am was split into two pieces - apparently something happened at 1:48am, so I have a 47 minute chunk and a 12 minute chunk.

I figured maybe they pushed out a new firmware update that installed some sort of power savings 'feature' - if that is the case, sure would have been nice if they had provided an option under the 'settings' menu to enable/disable the 'feature.

I recorded a WBNG item from 1:30pm till 2pm and I had a movie on Maxhd that started at 2pm well I turn the box on at 6pm and I find my tv on channle 2 and the show from 2pm was spilt in 2, five minutes of nothing and a movie missing the first 7 minutes
Also last night at 1 am my box booted for no reason and I was watching it when it happened.

TWC probably loaded a new firmware version which required a reboot of the box interrupting any recordung.

My brother reports that WBNG can be found on QAM at 12-1.
I can confirm this here in Vestal for 2 weeks now. And I only have Roadrunner with TWC - no cable TV at all.

Looks like TWC just updated their QAM feeds. All the QAM stations can now be found on their ATSC equivalents.

12-1
20-1
34-1
40-1
46-1
46-3

Still no word on getting My8 - not like it's a great channel anyway.

Looks like TWC just updated their QAM feeds. All the QAM stations can now be found on their ATSC equivalents.

12-1
20-1
34-1
40-1
46-1
46-3

Still no word on getting My8 - not like it's a great channel anyway.Actually, those aren't their ATSC equivalents. Those are their FCC assigned channel numbers minus the -x of course. These are their ATSC assignments: 12 is on ch 7, ch 40 is on 8, ch 34 is on 4 and ch 46 is on 42. Not sure about 20.
Eventually ch 34 will go to 34. The others will remain on their ATSC assignments.

Also, no 46-2? which is probably because that is WSKG's regular feed available on basic cable.

Actually, those aren't their ATSC equivalents. Those are their FCC assigned channel numbers minus the -x of course. These are their ATSC assignments: 12 is on ch 7, ch 40 is on 8, ch 34 is on 4 and ch 46 is on 42. Not sure about 20.
Eventually ch 34 will go to 34. The others will remain on their ATSC assignments.

Also, no 46-2? which is probably because that is WSKG's regular feed available on basic cable.

Ok so the way I understand it is, my QAM tuner on my Panasonic Plasma TV via my regular cable hookup (channels 2-7) I should be able to now get the above mentioned channels at these assigned FCC channel numbers?

I will try this but I am very skeptical!?!?!?

Ok so the way I understand it is, my QAM tuner on my Panasonic Plasma TV via my regular cable hookup (channels 2-7) I should be able to now get the above mentioned channels at these assigned FCC channel numbers?

I will try this but I am very skeptical!?!?!?
Yes, enter 12-1 for WBNG, etc. The TV's tuner knows what actual frequency to use. Your TV should also be able to scan for the QAM channels.

Actually, those aren't their ATSC equivalents. Those are their FCC assigned channel numbers minus the -x of course. These are their ATSC assignments: 12 is on ch 7, ch 40 is on 8, ch 34 is on 4 and ch 46 is on 42. Not sure about 20.
Eventually ch 34 will go to 34. The others will remain on their ATSC assignments.

Also, no 46-2? which is probably because that is WSKG's regular feed available on basic cable.

Ah, for me those were the channels on ATSC, maybe they changed it in the last few months that i stopped using it.

I know I keep beating a dead horse here, but anyone know about CBS QAM in Binghamton area?

Several friends and family members in the Endicott area, when doing digital scans, have not been able to get any sort of QAM for CBS...whats the deal? I thought they had to broadcast all local HD stations over QAM?

WBNG is on "raw" channel 100, which will be reported by your TV as 12-1 if it can tune to a channel that high.

WBNG is on "raw" channel 100, which will be reported by your TV as 12-1 if it can tune to a channel that high.

Not getting it on 12-1 or any channel for that matter and I noticed that my fox, and wskgs which are up in the 80s are pixelating big time...could it be my signal strength is no good???

Not getting it on 12-1 or any channel for that matter and I noticed that my fox, and wskgs which are up in the 80s are pixelating big time...could it be my signal strength is no good???

Yup.

Yup.

So I finally figured it out, I had an extra splitter in the line I removed that and now...SUCCESS, I get all QAM stations and also on channel 98 I get My 8 in SD.

sad sad sad...It's all been a bunch of BS. Who knows now when we'll get CBS/ABC in HD in the Elmira area....

http://www.stargazette.com/article/20090116/UPDATE/301160017?GID=qbwUDmFdNkN9W8xL2SmJE78ChuiH1SsdC1PqKyWkP74%3D

Not sure if these have been posted here before, but I found some interesting coverage maps on the FCC site. It shows the expected coverage change for each station in each DMA from analog to digital.

http://www.fcc.gov/dtv/markets/

Here's the Binghamton map:
http://www.fcc.gov/dtv/markets/maps_report1/Binghamton_NY.pdf

And here's the Scranton map which shows better coverage for the Binghamton area for some of the Scranton stations (if I'm reading it right):
http://www.fcc.gov/dtv/markets/maps_report1/Wilkes_Barre-Scranton_PA.pdf

Is anyone using Vista Media Center with a Hauppaugue HVR 1600?

For some reason the ClearQAM channels are coming up all screwy in the guide, 40.1 listed as WICZDT but displaying WBGHDT, and 46.1 comes up as WSKGDT but displaying WBNGDT.

34.1 and 46.3 come up fine, but the guide doesn't show 12.1 or 20.1 and I can only get WSKGDT if i tune to 85.14.

Very odd.

I had a TWC tech out to fix an internet problem at my house yesterday and we discussed HD, internet etc. because he noticed that I had DirecTV. He said that TWC plans on adding about 4 new HD channels by the end of March, and to have a total of 85+ HD channels come the end of 2009.

He also said that by the end of 1st quarter we can expect a bump in internet speeds locally. I mentioned FiOS to him and he said he hasn't heard anything about it coming to the area, but if it did you'd see TWC increase their internet speeds almost immediately to counter them. The infrastructure is in place, their just dragging their feet.

when is Time Warner going to get the rest of the HBO SHOW AND MAX channels in HD?
I hope they hold there prices down as they are already over priced for what you get.
And with competition the prices should steady some instead of run away increases.

When has any provider, cable or satellite, held their prices down? I'm with DirecTV and their increases seem to be less frequent than TWCs.

when is Time Warner going to get the rest of the HBO SHOW AND MAX channels in HD?
I hope they hold there prices down as they are already over priced for what you get.
And with competition the prices should steady some instead of run away increases.

TWC's rate increase goes into effect in March. I'm with DirecTV and our rate increase happens next month.

Does anyone in Binghamton area pick up any Scranton PA or Elmira DTV stations?

I can view the Scranton DTV channels, but only analog from Elmira

Shovel which ones are you picking up? Does your tvfool specs look like mine? I have WBRE at -11.6 NM(db) and WYOU -12.8 NM(db). I am able to pick up 2 WSYT and WNYS out of syracuse.

With the Superbowl being on NBC this year, any chance we will be able to see it OTA in HD in the binghamton area? Does it seem that Elmira or Scranton are our only options OTA?

Shovel which ones are you picking up? Does your tvfool specs look like mine? I have WBRE at -11.6 NM(db) and WYOU -12.8 NM(db). I am able to pick up 2 WSYT and WNYS out of syracuse.

I have never used tvfool, but these are what I get. All are great signal with the exception of 11(28) and 13(22) Im hoping when analog 12 shuts down it wont interfere with these anymore.
16-1 16-2 22-1 28-1 38-1 44-1 44-2 44-3 44-4 56-1 56-2 56-3 64-1 64-2 64-3 64-4

I'm afraid the chances of NBC in HD OTA in Binghamton are non-existent. Out of town reception is your only choice.

if you dont mind me asking, what type of antenna are you using? Is it inside or outside? thanks

I have a Winegard 7084 monster on the roof. But, no NBC reception. I'm in Chenango Bridge with Crocker Hill in the way. You could probably get by with a smaller antenna if you have a line of sight to the towers. It needs to be a VHF/UHF antenna.

outdoor UHF only antenna. about 25 foot high with a rotor no preamp

How well does the UHF only antenna work on the hi end VHF channels?

How well does the UHF only antenna work on the hi end VHF channels?

it really gives me no problems for VHF, the Binghamton VHF's(4,7,8) are strong enough signal so it does just fine. Thats why I went with a UHF only. I wanted distance.

whats the make and model you are using?

whats the make and model you are using?
Im using a highly directional antenna. model 91XG you can see it at: http://www.antennasdirect.com/91XG_HDTV_Antenna.html

That's a very big antenna.

What stations have you been able to receive?
You mentioned Scranton and Syracuse, how about Albany or Rochester?

sad sad sad...It's all been a bunch of BS. Who knows now when we'll get CBS/ABC in HD in the Elmira area....

http://www.stargazette.com/article/20090116/UPDATE/301160017?GID=qbwUDmFdNkN9W8xL2SmJE78ChuiH1SsdC1PqKyWkP74%3D

From the article:
Whalen said there is no timetable for the conversion of both WENY channels to high definition. He said the cable company still is waiting for the delivery of key pieces of equipment to make that happen.
Yup, that's WENY in a nutshell, missing parts.

Yeah, WENY lied to me three years ago about waiting for a part to go HD as well. Everyone in Elmira ended up getting the Binghamton ABC feed to watch the Super Bowl that year because WENY lied. My biggest problem here is that TW and WBNG wait two years to reach an agreement to carry the HD feed, just after WENY becomes the Elmira area's CBS provider, though they're not competent enough to even do that on time. Of course, now we wait on WENY to get its act together, though they can't be trusted because they're A) incompetent and B) constantly lying.

Weny has made public statements about having hd available soon several times in the past and hasn't delivered. I called a couple of years ago and somebody told me it would happen "sometime in the next quarter". I dont put much faith in anything I've been hearing about their big plans. I'll believe it when I see it on my TV. And hopefully it will happen before the season premiere of Lost so I dont have to pay for it on xbox live.

Thanks for confirming with your experiences with WENY folks. If I had been told "HD isn't in our budget for the foreseeable future" when I called to ask, but which I found out about WENY from others in the industry later on, I would have said, "I understand and appreciate your honesty" and would have moved on. It's when I'm given a runaround I get irritated. I sense by your replies I'm not alone in that.

I JUST WANT CBS AND ABC IN HIGH DEFINITION!!! How can this garbage still be going on...I'm kind of suprised that WETM hasn't jumped on this story and started reporting all of these delays to make their station look better. They could really be making this a public story by reminding people that NBC and FOX are the only stations available in HD through TWC and that this new ABC/CBS affiliate is still dropping the ball...

I hear your pain, even though i am in the binghamton area, I get OTA and we do not have NBC in HD over the air but it is available thru TWC...

Nice!

I just noticed that TWC has added guide information for almost all clearQAM channels..

12.1 didn't have any show up
and 20.1 looks like they have the placement for the entries but haven't updated it yet.

No program details are available yet however..

Is anyone using TWC QAM with a custom PC-based DVR system? Even better, is anyone using a Silicon Dust HDHomeRun with MythTV?

Ever since the new year, I have been having issues with recordings from both of the feeds on raw channel 100 (WBGH NBC and WBNG CBS). Recordings of WBNG feeds have an odd audio/video sync issue where after seeking anywhere in the recording, audio drops in and out and video is choppy. Running the stream through mythtranscode's lossless transcoding (i.e. remultiplexing) fixes this issue, as does running the stream through ProjectX. In addition, seeking becomes broken after the first or second transition from the show to commercials. Myth will report that it has seeked 30 seconds but the video will only move forward 3-5 seconds. This problem continues even after rumuxing the stream using mythtranscode in lossless mode or ProjectX and then rebuilding the seek table with mythcommflag --rebuild.

WBGH recordings have the same commercial seeking problem, but not the initial A/V problem (may be related to the fact that WBNG has AC3 audio while WBGH only has stereo MPEG audio).

The same recordings cause xine to suddenly return to the beginning of the recording when encountering the same segment where seeking failed in Myth if played over an SMB share but not from a local hard drive.

I haven't yet had a chance to test any of the other feeds (raw channel 96 I believe? Fox, ABC, and PBS), as they were all reruns until this week and TWC's changing of the channel mappings (from 40.40 to 40.1 for example) temporarily broke MythTV until I fixed things, which was after recordings had ended.

Prior to TWC rearranging channels and adding WBNG, I had no problems with the Fox, ABC, or NBC high def feeds from TWC and my Myth+HDHR system, other than occasional signal quality problems on the Fox feed.

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[QUOTE=Entropy512;15613061]Is anyone using TWC QAM with a custom PC-based DVR system? Even better, is anyone using a Silicon Dust HDHomeRun with MythTV?[QUOTE]

Interesting post, so you can record QAM onto an DVR system outside of paying a ton of money for TiVo???

Cuse have you checked out the HDTV Recorder forums in the HDTV->techincal section? there should be a lot information regarding QAM DVR

You can if the DVR being used can tune unencrypted QAM.

Is anyone using TWC QAM with a custom PC-based DVR system? Even better, is anyone using a Silicon Dust HDHomeRun with MythTV?

Ever since the new year, I have been having issues with recordings from both of the feeds on raw channel 100 (WBGH NBC and WBNG CBS). Recordings of WBNG feeds have an odd audio/video sync issue where after seeking anywhere in the recording, audio drops in and out and video is choppy. Running the stream through mythtranscode's lossless transcoding (i.e. remultiplexing) fixes this issue, as does running the stream through ProjectX. In addition, seeking becomes broken after the first or second transition from the show to commercials. Myth will report that it has seeked 30 seconds but the video will only move forward 3-5 seconds. This problem continues even after rumuxing the stream using mythtranscode in lossless mode or ProjectX and then rebuilding the seek table with mythcommflag --rebuild.

WBGH recordings have the same commercial seeking problem, but not the initial A/V problem (may be related to the fact that WBNG has AC3 audio while WBGH only has stereo MPEG audio).

The same recordings cause xine to suddenly return to the beginning of the recording when encountering the same segment where seeking failed in Myth if played over an SMB share but not from a local hard drive.

I haven't yet had a chance to test any of the other feeds (raw channel 96 I believe? Fox, ABC, and PBS), as they were all reruns until this week and TWC's changing of the channel mappings (from 40.40 to 40.1 for example) temporarily broke MythTV until I fixed things, which was after recordings had ended.

Prior to TWC rearranging channels and adding WBNG, I had no problems with the Fox, ABC, or NBC high def feeds from TWC and my Myth+HDHR system, other than occasional signal quality problems on the Fox feed.

i Have TWC and use Beyond TV with a Hapaugh 2250 Digital OAM Tuner and yes since i got WBNG in HD 90% of recordings are corrupted and will not play back in Beyond TV but a quick pass in Video Redo fixes it. It's just annoying. Some time beyond tv forgets what qam channel is mapped to which TWC digital channel. So your not along even with different hardware/software.

[QUOTE=Entropy512;15613061]Is anyone using TWC QAM with a custom PC-based DVR system? Even better, is anyone using a Silicon Dust HDHomeRun with MythTV?[QUOTE]

Interesting post, so you can record QAM onto an DVR system outside of paying a ton of money for TiVo???
Similar to MythTV I am using SAGETV recording NBC, ABc & PBS via QAM (HDHOMERUN Tuner) everything else via ATSC (antenna) and analog cable. Works great. Have two HD Extenders also from SAGETV. The main hardware is setup as a server in corner of house and one extender in livingroom, other in bedroom. Like having multiple HD DVR's. Up front cost are what you want to spend and how elaborate you want to get. Monthy fee's ---> ZERO

I had BeyondTV, but switched to SAGETV for the extenders and more features.

i Have TWC and use Beyond TV with a Hapaugh 2250 Digital OAM Tuner and yes since i got WBNG in HD 90% of recordings are corrupted and will not play back in Beyond TV but a quick pass in Video Redo fixes it. It's just annoying. Some time beyond tv forgets what qam channel is mapped to which TWC digital channel. So your not along even with different hardware/software.
As far as BTV forgetting the mapping, it's probably because sometime in the last week or two TWC mucked with the settings.

For example, one channel was identifying itself as 40.40 as of January 5, and it now reports itself as 40.1 - This borked MythTV until I redid my channels.

My next opportunity to test streams on the other channel (unless I tell Myth to forget and old recording which I might do) is when Bones comes on tomorrow.

VideoRedo is pretty similar to ProjectX in function. I still don't know why things fail when I drop the PX-processed file back onto my Myth server, that's a question I'm going to be bringing to the Myth lists.

At least I know I'm not the only one experiencing wonkiness with the WBNG feed with a setup that worked fine before TWC rearranged everything. :)

I am hoping WBNG cuts signal as reported on the 17th because I think that will open up the chances of getting WYOU and WBRE in Scranton which are broadcasted on 11 and 13 and analog 12 is strong at least at my location that it blocks these channels.

target date 2-1 for CW on WBNG 12.2

It would be nice if they broadcast it in HD.

It would be nice if they broadcast it in HD.

The feed isn't available to them in HD. Plus it'd destroy 12-1.

- Trip

The feed isn't available to them in HD. Plus it'd destroy 12-1.

- Trip

CW has HD content and is available, because I get it out of New York City on Channel 11 (WPIX)
WBNG is over their head with HD on 12-1.
Having HD on the CW would be a miracle and my understanding degrade 12-1.

CW has HD content and is available,

I didn't say they didn't, I said it's not available to WBNG. The special CW+ service that WBNG carries is not available to its affiliates in HD.

- Trip

I didn't say they didn't, I said it's not available to WBNG. The special CW+ service that WBNG carries is not available to its affiliates in HD.

- Trip

Thank you for clearing that up.

It would be nice if they broadcast it in HD.
Please NO due to what Trip said.
...it'd destroy 12-1.

In the email I have back and forth with the engineer at WBNG he never mentioned CW in HD, so I really doubt they would.

I don't know of any broadcast stations that are transmitting 2 HD stations on sub-channels. The PQ would suffer terribly. It might be possible for 720p, but WBNG is 1080i. The CW on 12-2 will most definitely be SD. All I'm hoping for is that The CW on 12-2 will be letterboxed instead of 4:3 cropped like the version from DC that DirecTV offers as DNS.

I don't know of any broadcast stations that are transmitting 2 HD stations on sub-channels. The PQ would suffer terribly.

I know of several. You are correct in most cases.

- Trip

So, what's the PQ like for the two channels? I suspect that they are both 720p.

So, what's the PQ like for the two channels? I suspect that they are both 720p.

I have video from one that's doing dual 720p, I'll PM you a link if you have a decent connection. Post and let me know.

There are others doing 1080i/720p. Here's what I can think of off the top of my head:

KWTX Waco TX
10-1 1080i CBS
10-2 720p CW

KXII Sherman TX
12-1 1080i CBS
12-2 480i MyNet
12-3 720p FOX

KALB Alexandria LA
5-1 1080i NBC
5-2 720p CBS

KBMT Beaumont TX
12-1 720p ABC
12-2 720p NBC

KWBF Little Rock AR (Ending soon, temporary due to KATV tower collapse)
42-1 720p MyNet
42-2 480i RetroJams
42-3 720p ABC (KATV)

WGGB Springfield MA
40-1 720p ABC
40-2 720p FOX

WKYT Lexington KY (Recently dropped CW to 480i)
27-1 720p CBS
27-2 720p CW
27-3 480i Radar

KLCW Lubbock TX
14-1 720p MyNet
22-1 720p CW
46-1 480i Telemundo

WGBC Meridian MS
30-1 720p Fox/RTN
30-2 1080i NBC

Rumored to be considering dual HD:

KSPR Springfield MO
33-1 ABC
33-2 CW

KOLN Lincoln NE (10-x) and KGIN Hastings NE (11-x)
10-1 CBS
10-2 FOX
10-3 MyNet

I think that's all of them, but don't shoot me if I forgot one. :D

- Trip

That list is larger than I would have thought. :) I do have a decent connection, but others here might like to see the video. So if you can, post a link to the video. Maybe you could post a screen capture from the channels.

Can anyone post the bit rates used by these dual HD broadcasts?

That list is larger than I would have thought. :) I do have a decent connection, but others here might like to see the video. So if you can, post a link to the video. Maybe you could post a screen capture from the channels.

I won't post it publicly because I've got it on my site's hosting and it's 50MB and I don't want it chewing up my site's bandwidth (then I'd be without a website until the end of the month!). However I will give the link to anyone who PMs and requests it.

You have a PM.

- Trip

Thanks, I'll look forward to seeing it. :)

Once you do, I'd be curious to hear your opinion on it. I have my own opinion, but I'm curious as to how it compares to other HD sources (I don't have an HDTV of my own).

- Trip