[QUOTE=Entropy512;15613061]Is anyone using TWC QAM with a custom PC-based DVR system? Even better, is anyone using a Silicon Dust HDHomeRun with MythTV?[QUOTE]

Interesting post, so you can record QAM onto an DVR system outside of paying a ton of money for TiVo???
Similar to MythTV I am using SAGETV recording NBC, ABc & PBS via QAM (HDHOMERUN Tuner) everything else via ATSC (antenna) and analog cable. Works great. Have two HD Extenders also from SAGETV. The main hardware is setup as a server in corner of house and one extender in livingroom, other in bedroom. Like having multiple HD DVR's. Up front cost are what you want to spend and how elaborate you want to get. Monthy fee's ---> ZERO

I had BeyondTV, but switched to SAGETV for the extenders and more features.

i Have TWC and use Beyond TV with a Hapaugh 2250 Digital OAM Tuner and yes since i got WBNG in HD 90% of recordings are corrupted and will not play back in Beyond TV but a quick pass in Video Redo fixes it. It's just annoying. Some time beyond tv forgets what qam channel is mapped to which TWC digital channel. So your not along even with different hardware/software.
As far as BTV forgetting the mapping, it's probably because sometime in the last week or two TWC mucked with the settings.

For example, one channel was identifying itself as 40.40 as of January 5, and it now reports itself as 40.1 - This borked MythTV until I redid my channels.

My next opportunity to test streams on the other channel (unless I tell Myth to forget and old recording which I might do) is when Bones comes on tomorrow.

VideoRedo is pretty similar to ProjectX in function. I still don't know why things fail when I drop the PX-processed file back onto my Myth server, that's a question I'm going to be bringing to the Myth lists.

At least I know I'm not the only one experiencing wonkiness with the WBNG feed with a setup that worked fine before TWC rearranged everything. :)

I am hoping WBNG cuts signal as reported on the 17th because I think that will open up the chances of getting WYOU and WBRE in Scranton which are broadcasted on 11 and 13 and analog 12 is strong at least at my location that it blocks these channels.

target date 2-1 for CW on WBNG 12.2

It would be nice if they broadcast it in HD.

It would be nice if they broadcast it in HD.

The feed isn't available to them in HD. Plus it'd destroy 12-1.

- Trip

The feed isn't available to them in HD. Plus it'd destroy 12-1.

- Trip

CW has HD content and is available, because I get it out of New York City on Channel 11 (WPIX)
WBNG is over their head with HD on 12-1.
Having HD on the CW would be a miracle and my understanding degrade 12-1.

CW has HD content and is available,

I didn't say they didn't, I said it's not available to WBNG. The special CW+ service that WBNG carries is not available to its affiliates in HD.

- Trip

I didn't say they didn't, I said it's not available to WBNG. The special CW+ service that WBNG carries is not available to its affiliates in HD.

- Trip

Thank you for clearing that up.

It would be nice if they broadcast it in HD.
Please NO due to what Trip said.
...it'd destroy 12-1.

In the email I have back and forth with the engineer at WBNG he never mentioned CW in HD, so I really doubt they would.

I don't know of any broadcast stations that are transmitting 2 HD stations on sub-channels. The PQ would suffer terribly. It might be possible for 720p, but WBNG is 1080i. The CW on 12-2 will most definitely be SD. All I'm hoping for is that The CW on 12-2 will be letterboxed instead of 4:3 cropped like the version from DC that DirecTV offers as DNS.

I don't know of any broadcast stations that are transmitting 2 HD stations on sub-channels. The PQ would suffer terribly.

I know of several. You are correct in most cases.

- Trip

So, what's the PQ like for the two channels? I suspect that they are both 720p.

So, what's the PQ like for the two channels? I suspect that they are both 720p.

I have video from one that's doing dual 720p, I'll PM you a link if you have a decent connection. Post and let me know.

There are others doing 1080i/720p. Here's what I can think of off the top of my head:

KWTX Waco TX
10-1 1080i CBS
10-2 720p CW

KXII Sherman TX
12-1 1080i CBS
12-2 480i MyNet
12-3 720p FOX

KALB Alexandria LA
5-1 1080i NBC
5-2 720p CBS

KBMT Beaumont TX
12-1 720p ABC
12-2 720p NBC

KWBF Little Rock AR (Ending soon, temporary due to KATV tower collapse)
42-1 720p MyNet
42-2 480i RetroJams
42-3 720p ABC (KATV)

WGGB Springfield MA
40-1 720p ABC
40-2 720p FOX

WKYT Lexington KY (Recently dropped CW to 480i)
27-1 720p CBS
27-2 720p CW
27-3 480i Radar

KLCW Lubbock TX
14-1 720p MyNet
22-1 720p CW
46-1 480i Telemundo

WGBC Meridian MS
30-1 720p Fox/RTN
30-2 1080i NBC

Rumored to be considering dual HD:

KSPR Springfield MO
33-1 ABC
33-2 CW

KOLN Lincoln NE (10-x) and KGIN Hastings NE (11-x)
10-1 CBS
10-2 FOX
10-3 MyNet

I think that's all of them, but don't shoot me if I forgot one. :D

- Trip

That list is larger than I would have thought. :) I do have a decent connection, but others here might like to see the video. So if you can, post a link to the video. Maybe you could post a screen capture from the channels.

Can anyone post the bit rates used by these dual HD broadcasts?

That list is larger than I would have thought. :) I do have a decent connection, but others here might like to see the video. So if you can, post a link to the video. Maybe you could post a screen capture from the channels.

I won't post it publicly because I've got it on my site's hosting and it's 50MB and I don't want it chewing up my site's bandwidth (then I'd be without a website until the end of the month!). However I will give the link to anyone who PMs and requests it.

You have a PM.

- Trip

Thanks, I'll look forward to seeing it. :)

Once you do, I'd be curious to hear your opinion on it. I have my own opinion, but I'm curious as to how it compares to other HD sources (I don't have an HDTV of my own).

- Trip

http://www.weny.com/News-Local.asp?ARTICLE3864=9141297

looks like analog WENY/CBS will start this tuesday 1/27 and the article makes it sound like they'll be ready for Digital/HD by 2/17.....I guess I'll believe it when I see it.....

http://www.weny.com/News-Local.asp?ARTICLE3864=9141297

looks like analog WENY/CBS will start this tuesday 1/27 and the article makes it sound like they'll be ready for Digital/HD by 2/17.....I guess I'll believe it when I see it.....

TWC customers served first. I think we know who played a major role in funding this.

TWC customers served first. I think we know who played a major role in funding this.

Honestly...I don't care who helped fund this. I'm just glad that it's getting done. Personally I don't think that TWC had any incentive what-so-ever to fund WENY's CBS analog station to get on air before 2/17. That's really all the article says. TWC customers will see the ANALOG station first. No-one will see the digital/HD signals until at least 2/17. TWC doesn't gain anything here. Bidger...I know you have a thing against WENY.... which is fine, but not everything is a conspiracy....

TWC doesn't gain anything here.

The ability to offer all the broadcast networks doesn't gain TWC anything? If so, why were some many people in this thread insistent and impatient for it to happen? I think you know why. Once you have an HD set it hurts to watch SD.

Like you say though, it doesn't matter how it happens, it's just business and one hand washing the other is how business gets done.

The ability to offer all the broadcast networks doesn't gain TWC anything? If so, why were some many people in this thread insistent and impatient for it to happen? I think you know why. Once you have an HD set it hurts to watch SD.

Like you say though, it doesn't matter how it happens, it's just business and one hand washing the other is how business gets done.

All I meant by that was TWC already does offer all the broadcast networks..all in SD though (with only 2 in HD). I totally agree with you that going from HD to SD is unbearable. Us viewers in Elmira/Horseheads aren't going to get digital/HD CBS and ABC faster because TWC funded WENY's conversion. We aren't getting it until 2/17...when they HAVE to switch and their parent company (Lilly Broadcasting) probably funded it. If TWC wanted to make a difference for their customers....they would have reached a deal with WBNG to give us their HD feed in the mean time.

There are two things that I've learned....the customers have no say or control over what happens. And...those of us on this board are such a SMALL subset of the thousands of viewers in the Elmira/Corning/Binghamton area. When you talk about so many people on this thread...I mean how many are we really talking about... 20 or 30? At least for me .... I'm aware that my voice alone and even collectively with all of us on this board won't really change much. What I'm looking for with TWC and the networks is better communications and honest answers. I'm only expecting change when a network is forced to or there is some financial benefit for doing so.

In the end I'm just glad to hear that things are finally changing in the Elmira/Horseheads area....now I just hope that the new channels look good.

Well said brives81.

Well... now what! will the locals change? or will it be pushed out the 4 months?

This is what WENY has been banking on all along! They do not have the funds to go digital or HD. You will not see ABC or CBS in HD in Elmira/Corning until the new deadline which many think will be delayed again, probably for a year.


Congress Close to Delaying Digital TV Switch By The New York Times
January 26, 2009, 10:21 pm

The federal government is one step away from postponing the transition
to digital television.

On Monday the Senate voted unanimously to delay the switch to digital by
four months, from Feb. 17 to June 12. The nation's TV stations are
nearing a deadline to cease their analog transmissions and broadcast
only in digital form, requiring consumers without a digital-ready TV who
rely on over-the-air signals to install converter boxes.

"Delaying the upcoming DTV switch is the right thing to do," said Senate
Commerce Committee Chairman Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., the author of the
bill to push back the deadline."I firmly believe that our nation is not
yet ready to make this transition at this time."

The Associated Press reports: "The issue now goes to the House, where
Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., has vowed to work
with House leaders to bring Rockefeller's bill up for a floor vote on
Tuesday."

Also Monday: The head of PBS estimated that a four-month delay would
cost public broadcasters $22 million.

Do you really think that the 4 month delay will get everyone ready for the conversion? How about people using UHF antennas that may need to a VHF one?

I can also see many complaints from viewers who don't understand that they will need to enter "-x" after the channel number. :)

I guess they are in a hurry to get the analog signal going so that TWC will bump off WBNG and then there will be no chance of getting the WBNG HD signal until June. :(

I guess they are in a hurry to get the analog signal going so that TWC will bump off WBNG and then there will be no chance of getting the WBNG HD signal until June. :(

Elmira/Horseheads will not see the WBNG HD signal ever...let alone June. We will see WENY's new CBS signal....it's just a matter of when....

This is exactly the reason why WENY is rushing to begin their CBS analog signal today.
They know that will protect them from having TWC put up WBNG HD for the next several months to a year.

A very sad state of affairs!

I saw as of last night still WBNG.

edit saw this:

Update on WENY's CBS Affiliate
Scott Cook


January 27, 2009

If you haven't noticed yet, WENY.2 is not broadcasting the CBS network yet on Time-Warner Cable.
Time-Warner called the station late yesterday to say it wasn't able to complete the transition, because it hadn't had sufficient time to notify subscribers. We're working hard to clear things up, and will keep you posted as to when WENY will start broadcasting CBS.
This has no bearing on network shows. You'll still get all the CBS programs on your current out-of-town affiliate, and of course the great ABC lineup is right here on WENY-TV.

The House today voted to not delay the analog cuttoff.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/01/28/digital.tv.delay/index.html

Some people will not get prepared until they have to, and if they keep moving the "have to be preparted by date," then there will always be some people unprepared. Leave it as February 17.

The House today voted to not delay the analog cuttoff.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/01/28/digital.tv.delay/index.html

Some people will not get prepared until they have to, and if they keep moving the "have to be preparted by date," then there will always be some people unprepared. Leave it as February 17.

Agreed! (but nobody asked me ;) )

Time-Warner called the station late yesterday to say it wasn't able to complete the transition, because it hadn't had sufficient time to notify subscribers.
I don't know what notification they are talking about, unless it's related to updating the guide data.

It seems that WSKG is now mirroring the content of the Analog channel on what was their PBS-HD channel. :( The last two installments of what should have been Austin City Limits that I recorded turned out to be Dr. Who shows instead.

WKTV (NBC) out of Utica is now being carried in HD on Time Warner here on the Oneonta branch. I'm not sure how many Time Warner subscribers actually even get WKTV, but here, it's our only NBC station on cable. I'm actually extremely surprised that it was added.

I caught a few seconds of some shows tonight, HD looked great.

We now officially get all four major networks in HD

700 WKTV (NBC)
701 WBNG (CBS)
702 WICZ (FOX)
703 WUTR (ABC)

WKTV (NBC) out of Utica is now being carried in HD on Time Warner here on the Oneonta branch. I'm not sure how many Time Warner subscribers actually even get WKTV, but here, it's our only NBC station on cable. I'm actually extremely surprised that it was added.

I caught a few seconds of some shows tonight, HD looked great.

We now officially get all four major networks in HD

700 WKTV (NBC)
701 WBNG (CBS)
702 WICZ (FOX)
703 WUTR (ABC)

awesome. just in time to be able to dvr the superbowl.

Wktv is hd on TWC just for the superbowl. But I did hear that they might keep it on TWC while negotiations go on. Come on TWC and Wktv. Get your sh*t together and make a deal to keep the NBC HD feed on for good.

I just thought i'd share...I got a flyer in the mail today from TWC that says we will be getting the following HD channels this Spring....Speed HD, Fox News HD, MLB HD, CNBC HD, Fox Business HD, FX HD, USA HD, and Sci Fi HD. Not sure when it'll happen but maybe they'll put them in those 700 channels that they've been clearing out

VERY interesting... MLB HD, FX HD, USA HD and Sci Fi HD are some of the channels that I have to have in order to move back to TWC. I'd say the only other HD channels missing for me to make the move are CW HD, Spike HD, Cartoon Network HD, MSG HD and MSG+ HD.

A TWC repairman told me they plan on having 85 HD channels by the end of the year. My contract with DirecTV is up in October so it might be the perfect time for me to switch back. I used to love how much HD DirecTV had, but now it's as if everyone is catching up or surpassing. Since Malone took over, DirecTV has gone downhill. 135+ HD channels, but over 35 are RSN's and HD PPV that I will never watch. Heck I'm still waiting for the Travel Channel in HD, it's sad that TWC has it and DirecTV is stalling.

Any one getting wktv hd(700) out of oneonta having trouble with the sound. I get no sound from it but the regular sd station for wktv(2) works.

Any one getting wktv hd(700) out of oneonta having trouble with the sound. I get no sound from it but the regular sd station for wktv(2) works.

I spoke with Time Warner this morning about it and they said it was on WKTV's side. I notice that WKTVHD is completely off now.

A TWC repairman told me they plan on having 85 HD channels by the end of the year. My contract with DirecTV is up in October so it might be the perfect time for me to switch back. I used to love how much HD DirecTV had, but now it's as if everyone is catching up or surpassing.
Just an FYI if you didn't know, but D* next satellite (D12) is now scheduled for launch in September of this year, and the goal is to add a bunch more HD (both national and local) by years end. Just something else to add to your 'stay or switch' equation.

I heard the same thing about D11 and that's been a dud for national HD expansion. There have been what, 5 or 6 national HD channels launched since then?? I don't care about all the other HD RSN's they launched or made into a 24/7 channel, not to mention all the new HD PPV's.

I don't know what notification they are talking about, unless it's related to updating the guide data.

All cable providers are required by law to give 30 days notice to their customers. If you notice in your news papers classified ads there are public notices. Its a pain but they have to do it by law.

I heard the same thing about D11 and that's been a dud for national HD expansion.

The folks who were waiting for HD locals would beg to differ. Granted that doesn't include us, but I didn't have those expectations anyway, which is why I had an antenna installed, but I can understand why it's a priority for folks.

As far as taking a TWC installer's word for law, I was at a friend's house when he had his TWC HD DVR installed in Aug. 2006 and I took the opportunity to ask about CBS-HD. "No prob", he replied, "Come 2009 everything will be HD anyway". :rolleyes:

I don't buy a service based on what they tell me they're going to do, I'll wait until it actually materializes. And I don't feel like chasing every HD channel that there is since it's a relative handful that I watch. If you're a DVR user you might want to give the TWC machine a spin before you leap. If I were to switch I'd be factoring the cost of a TiVo and hope there's a SDV tuning resolver in the Elmira-Corning region. Grass ain't always greener.

I got a TWC lieup card from a saleman that came to my door. I checked the HD lineup and it didn't look too bad, but then I noticed in the fine print that they don't work with cable cards. There goes your HD TiVo usage.

The folks who were waiting for HD locals would beg to differ. Granted that doesn't include us, but I didn't have those expectations anyway, which is why I had an antenna installed, but I can understand why it's a priority for folks.

As far as taking a TWC installer's word for law, I was at a friend's house when he had his TWC HD DVR installed in Aug. 2006 and I took the opportunity to ask about CBS-HD. "No prob", he replied, "Come 2009 everything will be HD anyway". :rolleyes:

Hence the reason I'd wait to see what they offer. My wife and I watch certain channels and that's it. If a provider offers those channels then I'll go with them. If what the other poster said is true as to what's launching on TWC this spring then that will make up for a number of channels I want in HD. I already get them on DirecTV, but if TWC will offer then and it's cheaper for me then I have no problem switching.

I don't buy a service based on what they tell me they're going to do, I'll wait until it actually materializes. And I don't feel like chasing every HD channel that there is since it's a relative handful that I watch.

I'm the same way, but when I first signed up for DirecTV I was told we'd have locals, at least in SD within a few months. It's been almost two years and we're not even on the D11 list. If we have to wait for D12 the earliest we'll get locals is 2010, well over just a few months I was told by DirecTV.

If you're a DVR user you might want to give the TWC machine a spin before you leap. If I were to switch I'd be factoring the cost of a TiVo and hope there's a SDV tuning resolver in the Elmira-Corning region. Grass ain't always greener.

I had TWC's HD DVR before I left for DirecTV. I don't use Tivo so it's not a big deal for me.

I got a TWC lieup card from a saleman that came to my door. I checked the HD lineup and it didn't look too bad, but then I noticed in the fine print that they don't work with cable cards. There goes your HD TiVo usage.

If you have an older TiVO(series2), then yes. The newer TiVOs(series3, HD, HD-XL) work with an attachment that connects to the back of the TiVO(USB) and allows you to tune SDV channels. TWC has this stated on their website, and says they will provide these adaptors for free. However when they get them in stock and working is anyone's guess.... FTL (http://www.timewarnercable.com/CentralNY/learn/cable/dvrhddvr/dta.html)

But can you record the HD channels in HD?

Thanks for the info so that others can be informed.
For me, it's a moot point.

target date 2-1 for CW on WBNG 12.2
Any update on this?

no word yet, I will give them till the end of the week before I send another email

I saw them advertising that the Cw is now on digital 12.2 last night but nothing yet for my tv

WBNG is pulling the plug on analog 12 on 2/17/09, no matter what happens with the transition... or at least they filled the application to do it. Their STA is using the money/limited resources rationale to keep running an analog site for another 4 months.

WBNG has started to advertise they are turning off analog on 2-17 and their will not be an analog signal as of 2-18. I saw the ad this morning

I saw them advertising that the Cw is now on digital 12.2 last night but nothing yet for my tvMy LG has not found OTA 12.2. And of course my HR20 won't find it until DirecTV gets their database updated.

Yeah I am not sure what is up, last night at the gym I heard and saw them advertise that the CW is now on digitial 12.2. Its probably going to be a few more days I will email on friday if its not on by then

I now have channel 7-4 being broadcast but with no picture or sound at this point, has anyone else had this channel added to their OTA lineup?

Also, I noticed WSKG updated the channel names WSKGHD, WSKG2 and WSKG3 in the channel/program information

I saw weird channel assignments a few years ago as the stations updated their PSIP date. I assume that the 7-4 you're seeing is just that, since The CW will be on a subchannel of ch12 using frequency 7.

Also, 40-2 is now identified as WBPN where is was WICZ DT2. The IDs on DirecTV haven't caught up.

I thought that was diffferent 40.2 that is, hopefully WBNG will soon broadcast CW as they opened another digital channel

I was at my parents in Chenango Bridge today and I notice the recent TWC flyer that's been making the rounds. In it they listed the new HD channels that were touted here previously, but it said over 10 new HD channels coming soon. I wonder what the others are.

I also notice that their rates are going up between 7-9 dollars per package. Guess I can't complain about my DirecTV rates going up $5 too much. Still, the one package does include RoadRunner, which I currently pay $54 a month for.

Saw this on the new checkdtv.com by titantv:

http://checkdtv.com/digitalchannels.aspx?street=&city=&state=&zip=13905

Looks like CW is 'confirmed' but why isn't 46.3 shown?

Maybe WSKG hasn't reported it to them?

Have you verified that 12.2 is available? My LG LCD hasn't found it yet.

CW on 12.2 is also shown on WBNG's own online program guide.

http://www.wbng.com/programs/

Looking at primetime tonight, they are listing CW shows Everybody Hates Chris and The Game as HD. I personally hope that is not true as I can't imagine how bad 12.1 would look.

I'm sure the listing is just a copy from the official CW website.

we really do need to get in touch with someone from WBNG or just wait it out. I do find it funny that I am receiving a blank 7.4 for the past few days, can anyone else confirm this?

Maybe just call WBNG and ask to talk to the Chief Engineer.

I still get nothing for 12.2 or 7.4 for that matter.

BTW, that listing on the WBNG website is from TitanTV.com.

I think all you can do is leave a message...

I just called and the the operator (the only live person I could reach) said hopefully no longer than 2 more weeks if everything went well for CW to be on 12.2. Not sure if they knew what they were talking about, but the tone of their voice was pretty confident, and didn't leave me with the impression that they had no idea what I was asking about.

It looks like they are testing it right now as I have color bars on the subchannel. I was able to watch Judge Judy for a few minutes.... now its gone

Fuzzy is your test channel 7.4 as well?

The White House wants your opinion on The DTV Delay ACT Bill
President Obama said he will not sign the DTV transaction act into law on Monday until he hears what the public has to say, you can comment here

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing_room/dtv_delay_act/

I posted my thoughts there

As did I. My estimation of the Administration takes a spike with this approach and I won't hold it against the President if he votes with the majority should they push for the delay. Hopefully they won't.

The White House wants your opinion on The DTV Delay ACT Bill
President Obama said he will not sign the DTV transaction act into law on Monday until he hears what the public has to say, you can comment here

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing_room/dtv_delay_act/
Wait a minute, Obama was the one pressing Congress to delay the date, now he's back peddling?

In any case, I voiced my opinion for him not to sign the bill.

I think this delay is just going to cause more problems. There will be some people who expect the transition to happen and when it doesn't will wonder why it didn't. The other problem is that when the transition does happen, many with converter boxes still won't get a signal because of multipath, etc.

I live in Watkins Glen right near Elmira NY. I was wondering if anyone knew the channels for the HD channels for my clear qam tuner card.

Also when I click search channels in WinTV it checks for both analog and digital. Does TWC actually broadcast digital channels? The software only finds the analog stuff. I know that it would probably be scrambled anyhow.

TWC has been playing around with the QAM channel assignments. You'll need to have the system scan for them. They just added WBNG here in Binghamton on 12-1. Other QAM channels have been in the 79 and 85 area. Does your WinTV card have a QAM tuner?

The White House wants your opinion on The DTV Delay ACT Bill
President Obama said he will not sign the DTV transaction act into law on Monday until he hears what the public has to say, you can comment here

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing_room/dtv_delay_act/

Thanks for the tip, left my comments in favor of proceeding with the transition as planned this month.

i have the CW broadcasting on 7-4 for the past few days, no information displays but the time and there hasnt been any interruption in signal for about 1 1/2 days

i have the CW broadcasting on 7-4 for the past few days, no information displays but the time and there hasnt been any interruption in signal for about 1 1/2 days

I think I know what's going on here.

WBNG has started transmitting CW+ on a subchannel, but has yet to attach any PSIP to it. Some receivers will decode a station with no PSIP on its physical channel number, in this case 7-4, and others will just not show it at all.

That would match the symptoms I'm hearing here.

- Trip

I'm not sure if this is the right section to post this but here it goes. I live up behind the Binghamton airport and do not get cable up there. There is something like 25 houses between me and the first house on my street that gets time warner. I called them and asked them to run cable to my house but they said that I would have to get every other house to also sign up for their services or it would cost me $36,000 to have them do it. What I am asking is, has anyone had any luck getting time warner to run lines to their neighberhood? I can NOT stand this dialup crap anymore. I hate paying Verizon over $40 for a phone line just so I can have stupid dialup internet. Any help would be greatly appreciated. ( I have already researched satellite internet, and Verizon's wireless broadband modem and they are ridiculous.)

This forum is about HDTV in the Binghamton/Elmira area. You seem to have found out all the info about what's available.

Confirm what shockme17 posted. If TWC said either pay thousands or get everyone in your neighborhood to sign up, there's no wiggle room, those are your options. Satellite and Verizon wireless may be less than optimal choices, but either beats dial-up.

I heard both WETM and WENY state during their newscasts that they plan to convert to digital broadcasting on 2/17 regardless of whether the date is pushed back.

I'd have to believe that no local broadcaster could afford to do both analog and digital broadcasts past next weeks deadline.

I think the language of the bill allows stations to turn off early if they get approval from the FCC

Thanks trip for your reply that seems to make sense

Thanks to Trip's tireless efforts, found that WICZ is pulling the plug as well on 2/17. Official form here (http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/prefill_and_display.pl?Application_id=1294097&Service=TV&Form_id=387&Facility_id=62210)

I heard on WIVT news that they are ceasing analog on the 17th as well.

Did Obama sign the DTV Delay Act or not?

Will WIVT also be increasing their ERP?
Do they have the equipment in place to transition to ch34?

I don't see a filing on WIVT's application list in the FCC database indicating they filed to cut analog on 2/17...

Their original plan was to take KGPE's analog transmitter and install it for digital operations on 34. I couldn't find a filing for KGPE saying they are definetly cutting on 2/17. If they can't get that analog transmitter till June, they they won't get their full power signal up until at least July/August probably. They previously had a granted STA to keep digital on ch 4 past 2/17/09

Newport hasn't filed anything yet, but I know of a number of Newport stations which have stated definitively that they are going on the 17th. I wouldn't be surprised if KGPE is one and WIVT is another.

I think WIVT would stay on the air with analog longer (due to the unreliability of the DT-04 signal) but if they did that they wouldn't be able to terminate analog until March 14, so even if the transmitter arrived from California, they'd be stuck.

- Trip

WIVT website at this point still puts an April timeframe for the move to channel 34.

I again saw on WIVT channel 34 morning that they were going to cease analog on February 17th. As to the status of switching their digital over to 34 from 4, I have no idea. I only know what I heard on their newscast.

I saw a similar announcement on WICZ during 24 last night too that they will be ceasing analog on February 17th.

I again saw on WIVT channel 34 morning that they were going to cease analog on February 17th. As to the status of switching their digital over to 34 from 4, I have no idea. I only know what I heard on their newscast.

They filed to go.

I saw a similar announcement on WICZ during 24 last night too that they will be ceasing analog on February 17th.

WBNG filed with the FCC yesterday, so they'll be going.

- Trip

From newschannel 34's website:

WIVT-TV plans to complete its transition to digital tv and discontinue analog broadcasts on February 17, 2009, even though the national transition date has been moved to June 12, 2009. After February 17th, you can continue to receive our programming using a digital television or converter box.

http://www.newschannel34.com/news/local/story/Daybreak-Update-2-10-2009/0ybmxdai1U2WtTjRZ1I1dA.cspx

They filed to go.

WBNG filed with the FCC yesterday, so they'll be going.
- Trip
Where do you find the filings on the FCC site?

Nice quote in your signature by the way. I'm a HUGE Rush fan.

Where do you find the filings on the FCC site?

There's details on how to do this in the DTV Allotment thread at the very top of the forum's thread list. I've also got a quick list in this post here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15783347&postcount=2527

Nice quote in your signature by the way. I'm a HUGE Rush fan.

Me too! :D Witch Hunt and Subdivisions are my two favorite songs. I saw them in last summer in Charlotte and the summer before in Raleigh and they played both (with Natural Science in between). It was amazing!

I think the stanza that line in my sig came from and the last minute of Hemispheres are Peart's best writing ever. For those who don't know:

"Quick to judge, quick to anger, and slow to understand
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand..." -- Witch Hunt

"We can walk our road together if our goals are all the same,
We can run alone and free if we pursue a different aim,
Let the truth of love be lighted,
Let the love of truth shine clear,
Sensibility
Armed with sense and liberty,
With the heart and mind united
In a single
Perfect
Sphere." -- Hemispheres: (Part VI) The Sphere: A Kind of Dream

I get chills just typing it up, it's that good. :D

- Trip

I started wondering about WSKG (PBS), so I went to their website and they still mention 2/17 as the shutoff date. However, they don't mention the June 12 date either, so this could be old info.

http://www.wskg.com/television/dtv-transition.aspx

The chart in the middle of the page shows digital ch 46.2 as being for "Future Program Service TBA". Wonder what that means??? Time will tell.

Is CW full time yet on 12.2? Or are they still just testing with color bars as someone reported earlier?

(I don't have my antenna hooked up to my TV tuner to see for myself.)

I think the stanza that line in my sig came from and the last minute of Hemispheres are Peart's best writing ever.
- Trip
Way too many great Peart lines for me to narrow it down to just a few. Heck, I can't even pick my favorite songs let alone lines from The Professor.

Time Stand Still
Available Light
Entre Nous
All 3 parts of the original Fear trilogy
("Those who know what's best for us, must rise and save us from ourselves")
Bravado
Circumstances
I could go on and on and on...

Is CW full time yet on 12.2? Or are they still just testing with color bars as someone reported earlier?

(I don't have my antenna hooked up to my TV tuner to see for myself.)

From what I'm reading here, I gather CW+ is running but without PSIP, so some receivers can't find it.

("Those who know what's best for us, must rise and save us from ourselves")
Bravado
Circumstances

I definitely concur. All of Witch Hunt is an amazing piece of writing ("like demons possessed"). Actually, let me put on my favorite recording. :D Go check your PM box.

My dad actually has the lyrics of four Rush songs that he framed hanging on the wall at home: The Trees, Witch Hunt, Resist, and Bravado.

While it's hard to pick, I've definitely got my top two favorites (Subdivisions and Witch Hunt) and they're tied in my mind. Beyond that, it's hard to say, though I love Xanadu and Cygnus X-1 and Jacob's Ladder and Digital Man and... you see where this is going.

Have you listened to Snakes and Arrows any? Excellent album, probably the best since Signals or Moving Pictures, depending on which you like more.

- Trip

[QUOTE=Trip in VA;15786669]From what I'm reading here, I gather CW+ is running but without PSIP, so some receivers can't find it.

I tried manually inputting 7.4 into my Sharp Aquos tv and I could not get it. It actually just went to 7.1. Will we see a 12.2 coming once the 17th hits?

I can confirm I have had the CW+ on 7.4 since Friday, someone would have to get in touch with WBNG to confirm when they will add the PSIP and move the channel information to 12.2

I have a Samsung PN42A450 42in plasma series 4 I think thats the model number

My LG 32LG30 LCD will not tune 7.4.

How's the PQ for CW and is it letter boxed for those shows that would normally be widescreen?

I think this thread will really get active next week. :)

Everything is broadcast at 480i 4:3 and seems to be letterboxed
PQ is similar to MY8 on 40.2

Thanks. So Thursdsay night's Supernatural is 16:9 letter boxed in the 4:3 display. Unlike Wash DCs CW as presented by DirecTV on ch 384.

I am very curious as well as to who else has been able to get the CW network on 7.4 or 12.2. I would have no reason to get satellite anymore :-).

I am hoping to try to pull WSWB 38 from Scranton, they broadcast the CW in HD but I will take CW in digital any day

In my case, I'll never give up DirecTV. But when 12.2 finally shows up, I'll cancel my subscription to ch 384. Yeah, it's only $1.50, but every little bit helps. :)

I get the CW channel 7-4 but only on my PC tuner card and a samsung AR-650 DVD writer with a ATSC tuner, none of my converter boxes (a magnavox and a Phillips) or my samsung LCD TV will tune it.

Those same tuners that get the CW also get the 2 audio channels on WSKG.

The picture quality of the CW is the same as MY8, 480i some letter boxed and some not depending on the program.

As was said earlier, without that PSIP info in the transport stream some devices just don't know what to do with the CW stream, hopefully they get that fixed.

It will be interesting to see what WSKG does after the switch, PBS has a bunch of different programming that we don't get on WSKG. Maybe they will replace the SD channel that's got mostly the same programming as the HD channel with one of the other PBS offerings.

I can confirm that I have the 2 audio WSKG channels as well. Do you think WBNG is aware of this and are just testing or do you think they are clueless?

They have had those stations for a while.

I can confirm that I have the 2 audio WSKG channels as well. Do you think WBNG is aware of this and are just testing or do you think they are clueless?

Yes the 2 WSKG audio channels have been there quite some time, I'm tempted to email WBNG to see what's up with the CW channel and see what they have to say. I would hope that they know about it and are just testing but who knows?

It will be interesting to see what WSKG does after the switch, PBS has a bunch of different programming that we don't get on WSKG. Maybe they will replace the SD channel that's got mostly the same programming as the HD channel with one of the other PBS offerings.

Maybe if you're lucky you'll get PBS World. When I was home over break, I left it on almost 24/7 (when my PBS station was coming in, that is) because it was just so great to have.

What kind of computer card do you have?

- Trip

From this WSKG web page it looks like 46-1 will be PBS-HD, 46-2 will be Think Bright and 46-3 will be Create. So I wonder where their SD broadcast that is currently on 46-2 will go? Probably merged with 46-1.

http://www.wskg.com/television/dtv-transition.aspx

I emailed an engineer at WBNG and I will hopefully hear back later today. Binghamton was noted in a Yahoo story about being one of the few cities to shut off all or most of their analog service on 2-17. http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090210/ap_on_hi_te/tec_digital_tv_transition

I did not receive Fox 40 analog last night or this morning, can anyone else confirm?

I can receive analog Fox40 this morning. I suppose it's possible the windy weather knocked it off the air for awhile.

I caught WBNG's 11pm news and they mentioned that they will be shutting down their analog signal on 2/17.

Thats true, wasnt sure if they were testing the shut down, not like it really matters to me either way. Yeah, I believe, if Trip can confirm, all Binghamton analog stations will be off the air WBNG, WSKG, WICZ and WIVT by Feb 18.

All except WSKG filed, and the FCC has rejected it. They have until 6PM tomorrow to submit showings about why they should be allowed to cut analog.

Yes, it's a bunch of nonsense.

- Trip

Thanks Trip

What kind of computer card do you have?

- Trip


I have a Hauppauge hvr-1600 and my sons computer has a ATI 650. I also have an ATI HDTV wonder. The wonder part of that one is you wonder if it will pick up anything.

Ever played with TSReader? :D

- Trip

All except WSKG filed, and the FCC has rejected it. They have until 6PM tomorrow to submit showings about why they should be allowed to cut analog.

Yes, it's a bunch of nonsense.

- Trip

What a bunch of crap. I'm sure WBGH doesn't count as a 'lifeline' analog station, since it's only class A, right?

What a bunch of crap. I'm sure WBGH doesn't count as a 'lifeline' analog station, since it's only class A, right?

Right.

mclapp: I was in a rush to get off and go to class, thus my short message. I'd like to get some data on the Binghamton stations with TSReader Lite if you would be willing to provide me that info. I can provide instructions and all that. Do you receive anything besides Binghamton?

- Trip

Has anyone notices some of the changes in the channel data? It seems atleast the Elmira ABC/CBS channels stregthen has weakened from last report to this one 21 is the new one 2 is the old one

I'd like to get some data on the Binghamton stations with TSReader Lite if you would be willing to provide me that info. I can provide instructions and all that. Do you receive anything besides Binghamton?

- Trip

I have used TSreader and transedit let me know the data you want and I'll try to get it.

I only get Binghamton digital stations 7, 8, and 42 I don't have an antenna up for ch 4 right now.

I have used TSreader and transedit let me know the data you want and I'll try to get it.

I only get Binghamton digital stations 7, 8, and 42 I don't have an antenna up for ch 4 right now.

Well, that's good, because 7 and 42 are the ones I'm most interested in. :)

Yeah, just in TSReader, do an HTML Export. Check all the boxes in the Export window except EIT and Thumbnails, then save them and e-mail them to me. webmaster at rabbitears dot info.

Send me data on 7, 8, and 42, since those are what you can see, and I'll request 34 once they move up the band.

I'm curious to see how CW+ is set up on WBNG-DT, and how the audio subs are set up on WSKG-DT, and these captures are pretty much the only way I can do that from Virginia. :D

- Trip

Has anyone notices some of the changes in the channel data? It seems atleast the Elmira ABC/CBS channels stregthen has weakened from last report to this one 21 is the new one 2 is the old one

WENY-DT applied to co-locate with WYDC-DT a few weeks ago and this is just TV Fool being updated to reflect that.

- Trip

All except WSKG filed, and the FCC has rejected it. They have until 6PM tomorrow to submit showings about why they should be allowed to cut analog.

Yes, it's a bunch of nonsense.

- Trip
What did the FCC reject? I don't understand your post.

What did the FCC reject? I don't understand your post.

They rejected the requests by WBNG, WIVT, and WICZ to drop analog unless stations submit a showing by 6PM tomorrow night.

There's a long list of concerns the FCC wants met. They are making this as difficult as possible.

I hope you got my last PM. :D

- Trip

Wow they rejected all 3? I thought the FCC was only going require one station within a DMA keep it's analog signal until June.

Wow they rejected all 3? I thought the FCC was only going require one station within a DMA keep it's analog signal until June.

It's not like the FCC's going to just pick one and say "you're denied, the others can go." In markets where all stations filed, the FCC rejected all big-4 affiliates and said they'd have to come back with some kind of expanded plans.

- Trip

What are the chances this showing will be accepted or even presented? Who pays for all of the new advertising and the power for analog,if this is not accepted by the FCC?

I'm curious to see if any of the 3 claim they will follow the FCC's little laundry list of criteria to pull analog next week. WBNG's application claimed financial burdens of running analog for another 4 months. I guess we'll find out in a couple days, since they have to be filed by 6PM 2/13(Friday)

I would like to read these any pointers on where to go?

My email from WBNG came back with monday as the official date for 12.2 as they are still testing

Good news! Hopefully, Tribune will have the info so that DirecTV can update their database for OTA channels. My HR20 can't scan for channels so relies on this database.

We'll see what the HR10 and the TV does.

...may have to retune after tuesday as i think the FREQ are changing again for the clear qams....

Fuzzy is your test channel 7.4 as well?

Yes

How annoying is the WBNG Storm Tracker weather alert??? I just watched last night's Survivor and man! is that thing OBTRUSIVE!!! I've never seen one so annoying. I can only imagine how bad they ruined CSI.

Trip,
Here are the tsreader files you asked for, there was no picture on the CW channel when I did this for some reason but the stream info shows.

http://www.frontiernet.net/~mclapp/Antennas/tsreader/WBNG.htm
http://www.frontiernet.net/~mclapp/Antennas/tsreader/WICZ.htm
http://www.frontiernet.net/~mclapp/Antennas/tsreader/WSKG.htm

Let me know if you need something more.

...may have to retune after tuesday as i think the FREQ are changing again for the clear qams....

Why would you need to retune after Tuesday? The old DTV cutoff date has no effect on TW's QAM frequencies. And the 3 Binghamton stations that filed to cut analog on 2/17, their status is in limbo right now

Trip,
Here are the tsreader files you asked for, there was no picture on the CW channel when I did this for some reason but the stream info shows.

http://www.frontiernet.net/~mclapp/Antennas/tsreader/WBNG.htm
http://www.frontiernet.net/~mclapp/Antennas/tsreader/WICZ.htm
http://www.frontiernet.net/~mclapp/Antennas/tsreader/WSKG.htm

Let me know if you need something more.

Those things have a lot of errors in them, I can't imagine you watch OTA regularly with reception like that. EDIT: Actually, that may not be so. I've seen more than one Hauppauge give noisy captures like that. Wonder if there's a driver issue.

I got what I wanted though. Any chance you could run another one when WBNG lights up CW+ again? The PMT reserved the places for the video but, as you suggested, there's no actual video present.

No PSIP on CW+ or on the two audio feeds on WSKG-DT, so some will see them and others won't.

- Trip

Those things have a lot of errors in them, I can't imagine you watch OTA regularly with reception like that. EDIT: Actually, that may not be so. I've seen more than one Hauppauge give noisy captures like that. Wonder if there's a driver issue.

I got what I wanted though. Any chance you could run another one when WBNG lights up CW+ again? The PMT reserved the places for the video but, as you suggested, there's no actual video present.

No PSIP on CW+ or on the two audio feeds on WSKG-DT, so some will see them and others won't.

- Trip

I don't have any drop outs at all, plays the HD content smooth as glass. The hauppauge signal quality meter SNR is full on and the correctable errors and Uncorrectable errors show only a few correctable errors from time to time.

There may be driver issue with TSReaderLite it only shows a generic Hauppauge ATSC driver in it's drop down list, so that's what I have to use. I don't use TSReaderLite to watch.

If I catch the CW channel with video I will post a new WBNG.htm

Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I think the generic Hauppauge driver TSReader comes with may not be 100% compatible with the hardware. I had a contact in another market with a Hauppauge receiver send me data, all were riddled with errors like yours are even though he told me the same thing about maxed out signal strength.

Well, it doesn't really matter; like I said, they still got me the info I wanted. Thanks so much. :)

- Trip

How annoying is the WBNG Storm Tracker weather alert??? I just watched last night's Survivor and man! is that thing OBTRUSIVE!!! I've never seen one so annoying. I can only imagine how bad they ruined CSI.

I'll second that! It is very annoying and very overboard. :mad:

I see WBNG is running a banner on analog ch12 saying they are shutting off analog on Feb 17th. Must be they got the OK from the FCC.

So, that is when they may really go live with 12-2?

They are going live with 12.2 on Monday as they are going to be doing a 10pm news broadcast on CW+(WBXI). They have been advertising this for the past couple of days.

Will they have their PSIP straightened out then so my TV can tune it?
I ask rhetorically.

We'll wait and see. :)

I see WBNG is running a banner on analog ch12 saying they are shutting off analog on Feb 17th. Must be they got the OK from the FCC.
Article in yesterday's paper (Saturday) that stated WBNG will be the only local channel to shut off analog on Feb 17th. All others will keep analog until the new deadline.

In that same article, there was a quote form GM John Birchall at WIVT/WBGH stating that WBGH will continue it's analog broadcast "for the foreseeable future, but also will be available in digital." What did he mean by that? Are they going to put WBGH up on 34.2 or something?

Since WBGH is a low power station they aren't required to shut off analog. I suspect that WBGH will show up as a subchannel to WIVT after they get their new transmitter in place. But, then there won't be any NBC in HD for us, as if we have it now. :(

Right I understand WBGH is not required to shut off analog, but I wonder what the GM meant by what was written in the article. I see 3 possible answers:


The article is wrong and WBGH won't be available as a digital broadcast
WBGH will show up as 34.2 once WIVT gets it's "new" transmitter up and running from KGPE (and hopefully WBGH would just be SD since I'd hate to see two HD signals on one channel)
Once WIVT gets its "new" transmitter from KGPE up and running, maybe they'll repurpose their current digital transmitter for WBGH to use on 20.1 so that it would be HD and on its own channel so as not to degrade the PQ of WIVT on 34.1

I like your #3 suggestion. :)

Me too!

So of course that is the least likely of the three to come to fruition.

It would seem that this could happen quickly once ch34 is on the air.

Any word if the CW might get their own transmitter up? Not that there is much on it that I'd watch.

It would seem that this could happen quickly once ch34 is on the air.

There's one crucial part they're missing that ensures this could never happen: a license. Plus a willingness to put up with the howling over how unreliable low-VHF digital is. You'd be better off encouraging them to flash-cut the channel 20 transmitter, probably on a different channel (due to interference from WNYI-DT once that signs on).

Any word if the CW might get their own transmitter up? Not that there is much on it that I'd watch.

Not a chance. I doubt they'll be spending all that money given how broke they are, plus there's really no reason to give it its own transmitter since it wouldn't be available in HD anyway...

- Trip

When I said that about ch34 I meant when they revert to ch34 from ch4 after the shutoff. WIVT is the only local which is reverting to its original frequency. Which will be good for me, as VHF4 is a problem for me.

So true about The CW, Just having it on a sub-channel will have to do.

due to interference from WNYI-DT once that signs on
What is WNYI-DT?

Not a chance. I doubt they'll be spending all that money given how broke they are, plus there's really no reason to give it [WBXI CW] its own transmitter since it wouldn't be available in HD anyway...
- Trip
Why wouldn't it be available in HD?

What is WNYI-DT?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WNYI

Why wouldn't it be available in HD?

The CW+ feed that WBNG and many other smaller-market stations show is not provided to its affiliates in HD. The last figure I heard was late 2010 for HD.

- Trip

The CW+ feed that WBNG and many other smaller-market stations show is not provided to its affiliates in HD. The last figure I heard was late 2010 for HD.
- Trip
I did not know that. So some affiliates get a different feed than others? That seems strange to me. Why is it like that?

When I lived in Buffalo, the CW there was available in HD (on it's own channel and not another station's subchannel).

I did not know that. So some affiliates get a different feed than others? That seems strange to me. Why is it like that?

When I lived in Buffalo, the CW there was available in HD (on it's own channel and not another station's subchannel).

The CW+ is a prepackaged feed that comes with syndication already included. All the local station does is insert local ads and, in some cases, local 10PM news, and then transmit it on a subchannel or over cable.

Stations in Syracuse, Rochester, and Buffalo are not CW+ affiliates. Stations in Binghamton, Utica, and Watertown are CW+ affiliates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CW_Plus

- Trip

I would at least hope that it would be widescreen SD.

Also two HD stations on sub-channels is rare. Not impossible, but both would suffer, I think in PQ.

Oh man- did anyone catch The Simpsons on ClearQAM? so horribly compressed, many artifacts.. It's a cartoon! So disappointing TWC.

Woo Hoo, CW+ is in full effect now!

For s&g I did a rescan on a HD TiVo to see what's going on OTA less than 48 hrs before the original switchover date and it found 8 new channels! Now there's was no new content on any of them, but 2-3 and 2-4 appear, nothing on them and I have no idea why they exist, but they're there. Where previously only 30-1 and 30-2 for WSKA were found, now I've got 30-1 to 30-8 with 30-3 Create added along with the two NPR audio-only channels @ 30-4 and 30-5. 30-6 and 30-7 mirror 30-1 and 30-2 and 30-8 is blank. I'm looking forward to see what's added over the next couple of days. Hope I'm not disappointed.

2-3 and 2-4 are weak signals from WETM-DT in Elmira. If the signal had been strong enough, they would have mapped to 18-1 and 18-2.

- Trip

What is the frequency for WB in Binghamton?

Where have you been? WB doesn't exist anymore.
That network became The CW, which is now on frequency 7 (12-2).
You can get My Network on 40-2.

So is CW+ now mapping to 12-2 and all that?

- Trip

It is on my LG LCD TV, but the tuner in my HR10 can't even find 12-1 anymore. I need DirecTV to update the guide in order for my HR20 to get 12-2.
Why you might ask. Well, in DirecTV's wisdom, the HR2x series of HD DVRs can't scan for channels. :(

I'll need to realign my antenna when it gets warmer. Probably after the analog shutoff.

From WBNG's website, it seems that they will not be turning off analog until mid April. They also mention "And, WBNG is already broadcasting DTV on digital 7.1. ". No mention of 7.1 remapping to 12.1.
http://www.wbng.com/news/local/39664457.html

Where have you been? WB doesn't exist anymore.
That network became The CW, which is now on frequency 7 (12-2).
You can get My Network on 40-2.
I've been here. CW/WB same thing more or less

2-3 and 2-4 are weak signals from WETM-DT in Elmira. If the signal had been strong enough, they would have mapped to 18-1 and 18-2.

- Trip

Thanks Trip. I was aware that the 2 WETM digital channels were VHF freq. 2 and they have always mapped to 18-1 and 18-2, just found it odd that only now is the unit finding slots @ 2-3 and 2-4.

I've been here. CW/WB same thing more or lessJust crankin' you. :)

I ask everyone to please send feedback email to Tribune Media from their website Zap2It.com to add 12-2 to their listings for Binghamton.

After the switch, we will be able to pick up any NBC channels from either Syracuse or Elmira here in Binghamton?

I saw as of last night still WBNG.

edit saw this:

Update on WENY's CBS Affiliate
Scott Cook


January 27, 2009

If you haven't noticed yet, WENY.2 is not broadcasting the CBS network yet on Time-Warner Cable.
Time-Warner called the station late yesterday to say it wasn't able to complete the transition, because it hadn't had sufficient time to notify subscribers. We're working hard to clear things up, and will keep you posted as to when WENY will start broadcasting CBS.
This has no bearing on network shows. You'll still get all the CBS programs on your current out-of-town affiliate, and of course the great ABC lineup is right here on WENY-TV.

I just emailed Scott Cook again asking about WENY-DT and here is the response that I got back.....Wednesday maybe for Elmira/HHDS TWC customers??

"I appologize for the confusion, and should have contacted you much earlier
when the delays began. First it was the first, then the 8th, then the 27th,
and here we are in February. After much back and forth between WENY and
Time Warner, I have been assured that Wednesday is the date for CBS on Time Warner.
Unfortunately, the digital buildout hit some snags, and we're now looking at March
for over-the-air digital signal. However, I believe CBS
will be HD on Time Warner before then -- possibly by Wednesday. I'm trying
to get verification of that as we speak, and will update you hopefully later
today or tomorrow. This is all coming from engineers and higher level
managers who have been personally involved in the technical side and
negotiations.

Forgive me for jumping the gun, but at the time of your original email, 1/1
seemed a certainty. I have not been providing updates on the air or the
web, because -- frankly -- I don't want more egg on my face. I have been
assured Wednesday is the day, but I'm seriously considering not announcing
anything until WENY CBS hits the air (retractions and corrections are no fun
for a news guy). If I can get unconditional assurance from all involved,
I'll put it out there tomorrow.

Again, I appologize for the confusion."

Scott Cook, News Director
WENY-TV Newschannel 36
474 Old Ithaca Rd.
Horseheads, NY 14845
(607) 739-3636, ext. 12

After the switch, we will be able to pick up any NBC channels from either Syracuse or Elmira here in Binghamton?I suppose it's possible, especially if they increase their transmission power. Also, your location here is critical and antenna size is important. You could put up a large tower and deep fringe antenna and probably get Rochester. :)

Anyone heard of anything regarding a failure affecting WBNG's analog ops? Anyone have trouble getting analog 12 the last week? Maybe that had a factor in getting the FCC to approve them going silent on 2/17, and not WICZ and WIVT. I wonder if WBNG,WIVT, and WICZ talked to each other, cause someone had to stay on, for WBNG to be granted to go offline on 2/17. Does WBNG still have to "nitelite" cause other analog stations in the DMA are staying online?

This was posted on Fybush's weekly watch:

Granite's WBNG (12/CBS) still plans to make the flip, having suffered a failure that's left it running at reduced analog power from a backup transmitter. (The delay is bad news for ABC and NBC viewers, since WIVT-DT will remain at low power on transitional channel 4 until it can go full-power on 34 once the analog signal goes off.)

The link I posted above to a page on WBNG's website states that they won't be turning off analog this week. It will be mid April.

Whoops, glossed over that. What a complete and total mess/failure. The old saying remains true.

What is the opposite of pro? Con
then, what is the opposite of pro-gress? congress

Congress and the FCC really screwed this up good for the 30 people who aren't prepared.

That's okay, that post was an hour ago. :)

The next milestone for us is WIVT getting their new (to them) digital transmitter installed and operational.

Oh yeah, I just removed ch 384 (CW) from my DirecTV account.

I just emailed Scott Cook again asking about WENY-DT and here is the response that I got back.....Wednesday maybe for Elmira/HHDS TWC customers??

"I appologize for the confusion, and should have contacted you much earlier
when the delays began. First it was the first, then the 8th, then the 27th,
and here we are in February. After much back and forth between WENY and
Time Warner, I have been assured that Wednesday is the date for CBS on Time Warner.
Unfortunately, the digital buildout hit some snags, and we're now looking at March
for over-the-air digital signal. However, I believe CBS
will be HD on Time Warner before then -- possibly by Wednesday.

So, if this e-mail is correct, they'll have HD for the cable feeds on Wed., yet miss the original deadline for analog over-the-air cut-off. Bass ackwards.

Is anyone here using Vista Media Center with the TV pack 2008 or Windows 7?

I did a rescan of channels, and my Hauppaugue 1600 can no longer find WICZ at 40.1 on ClearQAM, even if I try to manually enter it in..

Thanks Trip. I was aware that the 2 WETM digital channels were VHF freq. 2 and they have always mapped to 18-1 and 18-2, just found it odd that only now is the unit finding slots @ 2-3 and 2-4.

The station actually broadcasts up on 2.3 and 2.4, and then PSIP maps those feeds to 18-1 and 18-2, assuming that PSIP is broadcasting and the signal's strong enough to decode said PSIP.

- Trip

Trip,
Yes the CW is mapping to 12.2 now and I can get it on all the other receivers in the house. I updated the WBNG.htm

http://www.frontiernet.net/~mclapp/Antennas/tsreader/WBNG.htm

Thanks. :)

- Trip

Is anyone here using Vista Media Center with the TV pack 2008 or Windows 7?

I did a rescan of channels, and my Hauppaugue 1600 can no longer find WICZ at 40.1 on ClearQAM, even if I try to manually enter it in..

Search this thread for the "raw" channel locations, 40.1 is most likely a "fake" channel labeled by PSIP. If I recall, fox is on a subchannel of 85.

WBNG has a video online, assuming it was on the news sometime today.

Now in this video, they are telling viewers that they will CONTINUE to broadcast analog after 2/17. However they have scrolling text on the bottom of the screen, saying they are turning off analong on 2/17
What a joke.

The Olum's guy also says that if you have a TV older than 2 years old, you need a QAM tuner, lol. More incorrect info.

See for yourself. (http://www.wbng.com/news/local/39677577.html?video=YHI&t=a)

Search this thread for the "raw" channel locations, 40.1 is most likely a "fake" channel labeled by PSIP. If I recall, fox is on a subchannel of 85.

I tried those- It looks as though all the 79 and 85 channels have been pulled.. My TV's tuner can't find them anymore either..

I watched the video ak3883 linked to and all I can say is pathetic. I almost thought the lady would slip into baby talk, "Now um doesn't haf to wurry umbout a ting". "Over-the-air, maybe with an antenna"?...how else is it done lady?! The Olums guy lumped in satellite subs with cable subs. Know your market smart guy, we're in an unserved DMA. The gubmit must be throwing oodles of cash out to the stations. Wasteful.

The Channels "appear" to have been move into the 94, and 100 channel ranges.

I can tune them one moment, the next, nothing, this on my HTPC with HVR-1600 tuners. My Sony TV's QAM tuner finds them just fine though.

There is little chance picking up NBC from Syracuse but you may have a shot at Elmira or Scranton in the binghamton area.

I pick up FOX 68 and MY43(HD!) out of syracuse but based on some coverage maps of syracuse WSTM actual reduced their signal power or at least coverage area.

WBNG is great their news broadcast states wont be shutting off until april but their scroll states today, lol

The Star-Gazette is reporting that WENY-CBS will be up on the cable on Thursday morning at 2am, on channel 12 and 701. WENY-ABC will be up in a couple of weeks, maybe, when parts arrive, on channel 703. :rolleyes:

I need DirecTV to update the guide in order for my HR20 to get 12-2.
Why you might ask. Well, in DirecTV's wisdom, the HR2x series of HD DVRs can't scan for channels.
I have made a few contacts at Tribune over the years and I emailed them yesterday and today got this response:

"The channel you are referring to is actually called WBNGDT2 which was created in our data today. You should see this in the OTA listings in approximately 72 hrs."

I just checked my HR21 and no 12.2 yet, nor is it listed on zap2it.com yet. Hopefully by the end of the week.

Mark,
Thanks for this.
I'll keep an eye on developments. :)

As I said earlier, there currently is not a lot of content on The CW I watch. I just like to have all I can get.

I also saw WBNGs newscast where their on air talking head said one thing while the crawl said the opposite.

I also made the mistake of emailing DirecTV to see what they could do to get the guide updated for The CW. Of course, I got the canned reply that DirecTV doesn't yet offer locals here. Which wasn't what I asked. I replied to them that they needed to re-read my original email. Still waiting for the reply to that one.

The Channels "appear" to have been move into the 94, and 100 channel ranges.

I can tune them one moment, the next, nothing, this on my HTPC with HVR-1600 tuners. My Sony TV's QAM tuner finds them just fine though.


Could you describe in more detail? What ClearQAM channel numbers are you using for Fox on your HTPC? I did a channel scan, and channels in 94 and 100 don't even show up.

The Star-Gazette is reporting that WENY-CBS will be up on the cable on Thursday morning at 2am, on channel 12 and 701. WENY-ABC will be up in a couple of weeks, maybe, when parts arrive, on channel 703. :rolleyes:

I saw that article and I just went back to check because I like to read the comments and oddly enough the article has been removed.....So I wonder what that means....hmmm

Looks like TWC got it wrong! heh

All of my ClearQAM stations on my TV are now blank with exception to 90.70
I'm sure it will get fixed soon, but I'm curious.. Does the digital transition effect cable customers without a box? I notice that all the channels are still running on analog. I thought it affected both analog on both OTA and cable.

No changes with my TV's QAM tuner here with Comcast in New Britain, CT (southwest of Hartford). To a little after 1, I still received my digital locals in the same spots. As for analog shutoffs, our ION and UNI (Univision) stations signed off tonight. The ION station is moving over from digital 34 to their old analog spot on 26. I think Binghamton is far enough west to where our stations shouldn't have any impact on you. Our CW station has been using channel 12 at fairly low power, but that was due more to CBS channel 12 analog in Providence, RI being less than 100 miles to the east.

I heard both WETM and WENY state during their newscasts that they plan to convert to digital broadcasting on 2/17 regardless of whether the date is pushed back.

And today both stations still have their analog feed up and running and no digital from WENY, not that I'm surprised by that.

I looked forward to this day like kids look forward to Christmas. I have no more ATSC channels than I did when I had the antenna installed almost 2 years ago. Coal in my stocking.

I ran a digital and analog scan last night, I see that the QAM stations in the 70s and 80s are gone...however I did not pick up 12.2 and when I manually input it, it does not even show up. Can anyone confirm if the CW QAM station is out there?

There is no CW qam yet.. i hope TWC will mirror all of the OTA channels.

btw- woke up today and all the qam channels were still blank, but i did a rescan and then they came up..
still unable to find fox on my tvr1600

Ok ... they shifted stuff again! :confused:

79.1 = WICZ (40-1)
79.2 = WIVT (34-1)
79.3 = WSKG-1 (46-1)
79.4 = WSKG-2 (46-2)
79.5 = WSKG CREATE (46-3)
80.1 = WBGH (20-1)
80.3 = WBNG (12-1)

The remap to 12.1,34.1, etc. does not seem to be in place yet. So they only seem to tune using 79.x & 80.x

Ok ... they shifted stuff again! :confused:

79.1 = WICZ (40-1)
79.2 = WIVT (34-1)
79.3 = WSKG-1 (46-1)
79.4 = WSKG-2 (46-2)
79.5 = WSKG CREATE (46-3)
80.1 = WBGH (20-1)
80.3 = WBNG (12-1)

The remap to 12.1,34.1, etc. does not seem to be in place yet. So they only seem to tune using 79.x & 80.x

awesome! thanks for posting this. Now i can find all the channels with my hauppaugue tuner. now just waiting for titantv to update their listings.

Where's The CW (WBNGDT2) 12-2?

BTW, I see all of these and 12-2 on TitanTV.

awesome! thanks for posting this. Now i can find all the channels with my hauppaugue tuner. now just waiting for titantv to update their listings.
FWIW .. dumped my Hauppaugue a while back for the HDHomerun, far better tuner and beats any Hauppauge hands down. Hap was very fussy on tuning QAM, would get some channels & not others .... HDHomerun just plain works!:D

Where's The CW (WBNGDT2) 12-2?

BTW, I see all of these and 12-2 on TitanTV.

I meant Zap2it - for updated Media Center listings, but even so, titantv doesn't have the correct listings for the wskg channels, and is completely missing 46.3

TitanTV does have three listings for WSKG, but two of them are 46-1.:(

I am also waiting for Zap2It to update. Hopefully by Friday.

TitanTV does have three listings for WSKG, but two of them are 46-1.:(

I am also waiting for Zap2It to update. Hopefully by Friday.

Where do you see the 3 listings? I'm looking under digital broadcast listings for 13905.. only see 2 for 46.1 and 46.2, both showing the same listings.. don't see 46.3

I didn't say I saw 46-3, just two entries for 46-1.

I didn't say I saw 46-3, just two entries for 46-1.

ah, i guess i was confused when you said you saw three listings for wskg

We just said the same thing differently. :) I didn't mention 46-2 in my earlier post.

Here's hoping that Zap2It gets the guide updated promptly. :)

The Star-Gazette is reporting that WENY-CBS will be up on the cable on Thursday morning at 2am, on channel 12 and 701. WENY-ABC will be up in a couple of weeks, maybe, when parts arrive, on channel 703. :rolleyes:

Confirmed....WENY-CBS is now on TWC channel 701 and as of this morning QAM channel 19.2. No more WBNG for the Elmira/HHDS viewing area.

Is there any chance that once WBNG turns of its analog signal that its local digital PQ will improve? I mean the national CBS feed looks great, but their local newscasts look like a** via my antenna. When they do the weather I can't even read anything on the TV sitting next to the weather person. In contrast, I can read the TV sitting next to the weather person on WIVT pretty good. WICZ isn't that bad either, but WBNG is terrible.

Why does WBNG's local digital PQ look so bad?

...
Why does WBNG's local digital PQ look so bad?Probably because they haven't upgraded their studio. I can't say that with any assurance, just a guess.

Ok ... they shifted stuff again! :confused:

79.1 = WICZ (40-1)
79.2 = WIVT (34-1)
79.3 = WSKG-1 (46-1)
79.4 = WSKG-2 (46-2)
79.5 = WSKG CREATE (46-3)
80.1 = WBGH (20-1)
80.3 = WBNG (12-1)

The remap to 12.1,34.1, etc. does not seem to be in place yet. So they only seem to tune using 79.x & 80.x

Why can't TWC seem to make up their mind? This is the second time in two months they've screwed around with the channel lineup.

Why can't TWC seem to make up their mind? This is the second time in two months they've screwed around with the channel lineup.

QAM channel assignments are at the mercy of the cable company (TWC)....that's the whole point. That is why TWC doesn't publish the assignments knowing that they will often move them around. If you can't find them one day....just rescan...you will find them somewhere else. Hopefully they will settle on leaving them on the same channels as their ATSC assignment...but I'm not worrying about it too much.

Came home last night and wanted to watch The Office, wasn't sure if it was a new ep or repeat, and found a frozen screen on the TiVo and no buffer. Checked Now Playing, no Office and go into the To Do List with Recording History saying something about no signal. Back to Live TV and blank screen for both 18.1 and 18.2. I do a rescan and it again finds 2.3 and 2.4. After finishing I find the feeds for 18.1 and 18.2 are now on 2.3 and 2.4 with no Guide data. I called WETM's Engineer figuring I might be the only one in the area aware and it blindsided him.

I'd just like to thank the Federal Government for their intervention on the whole process. :rolleyes:

I have made a few contacts at Tribune over the years and I emailed them yesterday and today got this response:

"The channel you are referring to is actually called WBNGDT2 which was created in our data today. You should see this in the OTA listings in approximately 72 hrs."

I just checked my HR21 and no 12.2 yet, nor is it listed on zap2it.com yet. Hopefully by the end of the week.Still not updated on the web site.

Yup, I just got home and checked too. At least it's not a major channel, at least in my opinion.

If something was on that I absolutely had to watch on 12.2, I'd watch it live on my LG LCD. I would eventually like to record it. :)

What is the best service for online guides for TV? Titan TV, Zap2it? Are there any others?

For everyday use, I'd use TitanTv. But Zap2It is okay. They are just a little slow in making changes. I haven't looked at it recently, but there is also TV Guide.

I dont think zap2it does public customized listings anymore- i think titantv is the best

Actually, you can customize Zap2It.
Select the TV menu and then the TV Listings menu.
Then you can further customize what you want.

Does anybody know which channels (besides WSKG and WBNG) will be multi-casting in the Binghamton Area?

WICZ Fox40 us also using a sub-channel for My Network.

Went to my brother's house today and he mentioned that all of the QAM channels disappeared. He had to unplug his LG for painting purposes (no, not the TV) and when he plugged it back in, QAM is gone. I asked if he had done a rescan and he said yes. Anyway, I did another scan and this time let it go through all of the CADTV channels (QAM). I noticed that when it got to 79 that the total scanned channel count jumped by 7. Therefore, it found them. My brother just hadn't let the TV scan through all of them. It seems that all of the clear QAM channels are now on ch79.
Here's what he got.
12-1 WBNG
20-1 WBGH
34-1 WIVT
40-1 WICZ
46-1 WSKG HD
46-2 WSKG Local
46-3 WSKG Create

No 40-2 or 12-2. No real biggie as these are MyNetwork and CW which he gets on the regular cable.

Here's what my HDHomerun has found as of this evening:

Thanks, The scan did happen quickly so I guess I missed that a couple actually were on 80.
His TV also picked up 120-70. At the time I saw it, it was a xartoon with a banner stating On demand. Probably a free preview of something.

I'm just running the cable line directly into my Panasonic Plasma and I am not seeing these new channels, I manually tune to 79-2 and it gives me no channel found, same with 34-1. I was able to get all the QAM channels just fine up to whenever they changed things around last. I do see 20-1 just fine and 12-1 has no audio

Am I doing something wrong here?

You'll need to go into the Panasonic's setup menu and perform a scan for the channels.

You'll need to go into the Panasonic's setup menu and perform a scan for the channels.

I have done that (with the input set to cable and not antenna).

You'll need to go into the Panasonic's setup menu and perform a scan for the channels.

So now stupid TWC has changed these QAMs again? I am trying to watch the Oscars in HD and I tune in to 34.1 and I get nothing...I no longer get any of the QAMs...so did they move them again? What a pain in the...

Went to my brother's house today and he mentioned that all of the QAM channels disappeared... Here's what he got.
12-1 WBNG
20-1 WBGH
34-1 WIVT
40-1 WICZ
46-1 WSKG HD
46-2 WSKG Local
46-3 WSKG Create

Exactly what I got Friday night when I switched over to my TV's cable input while my D* DVR was downloading new software. I too had to rescan to get these to come in.

I have done that (with the input set to cable and not antenna).My brother's LG TV has four channel scan sections:
TV for analog OTA.
DTV for Digital OTA
CATV for analog cable
CADTV for digital cable (aka QAM)
Maybe the Panasonic has similar scanning.

My brother's LG TV has four channel scan sections:
TV for analog OTA.
DTV for Digital OTA
CATV for analog cable
CADTV for digital cable (aka QAM)
Maybe the Panasonic has similar scanning.

I can choose between antenna (ota) or cable, and I can then choose to scan only the analog or everything (why not only digital I have no idea).

I did the scan for cable and all channels. I've scanned 2 or 3 times tonight with no difference. :\

Zap2It.com still hasn't listed 12-2.
Not that it matters much. :)

Thanks, The scan did happen quickly so I guess I missed that a couple actually were on 80.
His TV also picked up 120-70. At the time I saw it, it was a xartoon with a banner stating On demand. Probably a free preview of something.

Three HDs/2 SDs on one 6mhz slot, sucks they went to that. Comcast does that down where I am with most of the HD channels(3:1) and the effects show. The locals they only package with 2HDs/3SDs, or put 1 HD with a bunch of music choice channels that take a tiny amount of bandwidth since they are static images.

TW does weird things with PSIP mappings up there, I've observed that myself when messing around with stuff when visiting family.

Zap2It.com still hasn't listed 12-2.
Not that it matters much. :)
I noticed too, so I sent my contact an email yesterday afternoon and got this response back this afternoon:

The OTA listings take a big longer than I specified, my apologies. Standard lineup changes take approximately 72 hrs to show up, however OTA changes can take a couple weeks to show up as there is much confirmation we have to follow on with the FCC. I reviewed this channel in particular and see that it was set for processing today. I expect that you should see the update by this weekend.

So hopefully by this Friday. :)

Thanks Mark. It's good that people here have contacts. :)

However, even if it gets listed with Zap2It, I wonder how long it will be before DirecTV updates their database?
Only time will tell.

We had a few new subchannels come online like this when I lived in Buffalo, and if I recall correctly, they showed up on my HR20 before or very nearly the same time they were listed on zap2it.com. I was very surprised at how fast they appeared on my HR20. Maybe things have changed as that was a year ago.

I hope it hasn't changed. We'll see how quickly they show up on my HR20.

And my HR21s.

I assume you have the AM21 connected to the HR21.

I saw these notices while poking around TWC's Central NY site(I'm assuming they also pertain to Binghamton, since they are now part of Central NY region)

We are adding these HD channels by 3/3/09: Fox News HD (ch. 823), CNBC HD (ch. 835) , USA HD (845), Sci-Fi HD (ch. 846) , fX HD (847).

Customers subscribing to Digital Explorer Pak will also receive: MLB Network (ch. 807), Fox Business Network HD (834), Speed HD (ch. 846). AN HD Capable digital converter/TV set is required to view these channels.

We will be adding the following channels to our option Digital Sports Tier on March 18, 2009: Big Ten Network, Big Ten On Demand, Big 10 Network HD, Gol TV, and the Sportsman Channel. In additional, Sports Tier customers will also begin to receive CBS College Sports in HD on ch. 815.

We will be adding a new On Demand channel featuring shows from popular networks, "Primetime On Demand beginning 2/18/09.

National Geographic On Demand will move to our "News and World" on demand portal on 3/5/09.

We will be adding Starz On Demand by 3/16/09. You must subscribe to Starz to receive the On Demand service.

The new services listed here cannot be accessed on CableCard-equipped Unidirectional Digital Cable Products purchased at retail without additional, two-way capable equipment: Big Ten Network (SD, HD, On Demand), Gol TV, The Sportsman Channel, CBS College Sports HD, MLB Network HD, Fox Business HD, Speed HD, Fox News HD, CNBC HD, USA HD, Sci-Fi HD, fX HD, Starz On Demand, Primetime On Demand.

Question: Are there any cable card retail products which are two-way capable?

So all I can say about this from TWC is whoop ti do! :)