We are working on a 5.1 issue from the network.
Our apologies for the inconvenience.

Ray
WWAY Engineering.

Last night I had Charleston stations WCBD and WCSC coming in at 92-93% but WWAY would not budge still above 70%. I even had WTAT coming in with a signal bouncing wildly (I imagine because of WILM is on the same frequency of 40). WECT and WSFX were at 93%. However, a few times last night, WSFX seemed to go off the air and back on rapidly during the 9 PM hour. Signal meter would go from 90's to 0 in just a seconds time.

I am also planning to install a Winegard HD 8800 just before June 12, so will take a daytime signal reading with a Digital Stream before and after installation. My Samsung uses a bar graph, so that isn't much help for taking readings.

WWAY to bring in Retro TV on channel 3.2 starting June 15th according to http://wwaytv3.com

No mention of what will become of the weather graphics. I was thinking of the people in Bladen county the other day and figured they must be watching Florence channels! Any Bladen viewers out there?

Now that WTAT is not using ch 40 I am getting WILM in Myrtle Beach. It is not solid thou. But I am far out side of the coverage circle.

But for some strange reason WSFX is not receiveable. WSFX is much higher & way more power. Maybe that 6LQ6 power out put tube is weak & need changing

Now that WTAT is not using ch 40 I am getting WILM in Myrtle Beach. It is not solid thou. But I am far out side of the coverage circle.

But for some strange reason WSFX is not receiveable. WSFX is much higher & way more power. Maybe that 6LQ6 power out put tube is weak & need changing

6LQ6...... The favorite of 8 zillion CB linears. Sometimes they even managed to have spurious choke on them. But, mostly, not!

6LQ6...... The favorite of 8 zillion CB linears. Sometimes they even managed to have spurious choke on them. But, mostly, not!
That is for sure. I knew that ... I was just being funny.


I do not think a 6LQ6 would have much gain at UHF. A UHF power tube would have been a 6AF4. The low power that WSFX is I do not think they even use a tube but a transister

Since I installed a Winegard HD 8800, I am getting WSFX at 92%. WECT at 95%

Could be some other channel 30 is bothering WSFX to the south.

Since I installed a Winegard HD 8800, I am getting WSFX at 92%. WECT at 95%

Could be some other channel 30 is bothering WSFX to the south.

Since the dtv cut & am not receving WSFX any more. From what I see on the FCC there is a station using ch 30 north east of Charlotte. They must have just switched to it late last week. I do miss the week end news at 10:00pm & "This TV" network that was on 26-2. I can watch the news on WTAT 24 from Charleston but I liked the news from WSFX better. I have received WSFX but at the same time I was receiving WILM. But the weather conditions had to be just right. They both came in & went out togther. WSFX is so much lower power than like WWAY it will not take much knock it out.

I don't get WWAY near as strong as it used to be. Putting up the HD 8800 did nothing for their signal. It still sits at near 70%. Used to get it at 93% up until a few months ago.

I can't understand why WSFX is so weak down there, unless they aim more signal northward? It seems by looking at this map I post below, that there is a notch that really gets a weak signal due west toward say Whiteville or so.

http://www.fcc.gov/ftp/Bureaus/MB/Databases/fm_tv_service_areas/maps/DT1266521.jpg

I used to like the Wilmington channels a lot more, until they fouled up their weather folks. At least last night on 6 and 26 they attempted to warn people of a Tornado. They just don't have the talent there that they once did, or they put them on the morning shift when weather is calm. The two best there are on the morning shift... Makes no sense...

I don't get WWAY near as strong as it used to be. Putting up the HD 8800 did nothing for their signal. It still sits at near 70%. Used to get it at 93% up until a few months ago.

I can't understand why WSFX is so weak down there, unless they aim more signal northward? It seems by looking at this map I post below, that there is a notch that really gets a weak signal due west toward say Whiteville or so.

...

From what I understand WSFX, WECT & WWAY all use the same antenna & have the same coverage pattern. WSFX only has 190k watts. Since WWAY is 1000k , WSFX coverage area is smaller.

I had thought since WUNJ uses ch 29 & WSFX uses ch 30 they would have used the ame antenna. But the NC ETV may not wanted to have an duplexer on the alntenna feed line.

Yea, the main three use the same antenna on the same tower. I don't quite understand the logic of the directional antenna they chose, because of all the waste over the water. It would have seemed more feasible to me if they had chosen an antenna with a pattern that would direct the signal inland, while cutting the signal off say 25 miles out over the water, but half their power is wasted over the ocean, while it could be directed up towards the Fayetteville, Clinton, Lumberton, Warsaw area. Right now, the southern portion of the Raleigh market is having a time getting WTVD's digital signal, and this is a time that the pwrful signal of WWAY could have taken advantage of that weakness.

We just arrived back here at our vacation home and to my dismay I find WILM has disappeared and WSFX is much weaker than when we were here in early May. We are in Leland. Just wondering if anyone in this area is having luck with these stations and what setup you might be using. Thanks.

Please ignore my last post. I was able to solve the problem by bypassing the surge protector I had run the coax through. Thanks.

I have given up on WECT in surround sound. Contacted NBC and Raycom. Dead ends.

Ultron is the head engineer at WACT and he said, NBC has serious problems that have to be fixed before he will turn on the DD encoder. I can also say that WITN has terrible audio problems as well. One minute it is so loud it runs you out of the room and the next you can't hardly hear anything. They do not use Dolby digital either because of the same mess.

Ultron is the head engineer at WACT and he said, NBC has serious problems that have to be fixed before he will turn on the DD encoder. I can also say that WITN has terrible audio problems as well. One minute it is so loud it runs you out of the room and the next you can't hardly hear anything. They do not use Dolby digital either because of the same mess.

I had NBC contact him and offer assistance. I offered to assist. I'd do anything to get it back on. I understand that WECT was in the process of going full-HD and the projects there had to be overwhelming, but they must have caught up by now.

I work for NBC. Over one hundred other affiliates have DD signals. I seriously doubt it's a network issue. And I thought WECT's surround was good when they had it up for a few months.

If Dan reads the thread, please email me. If you have lost my info, email me at imixtv@yahoo.com. I'll donate my time and I have a host of NBC transmission and audio technicians we can consult on whatever issues you have.

Wendel

I work for NBC. Over one hundred other affiliates have DD signals. I seriously doubt it's a network issue.

KNBC in LA has been having problems for at least a couple years. Definitely a network issue.

I would LOVE to have digital sound, but if it is going to be screwed up half the time, I think it is foolish to try and run it and have to keep turning it on and off. Stations around here don't have enough people to monitor these things all the time either.

There are several reasons why we have not re-instated 5.1 audio at WECT and the main one is NBC audio encoding issues since they rolled out MPEG-4 network distribution equipment early this year. Many NBC stations are dealing with significant problems, which we completely avoided by staying with the stereo feed. You have to remember that a majority of our viewers are still analog and only a minority of DTV viewers care about 5.1. NBC Network operations is working with their satellite IRD manufacturer for a software solution to correct their issues. I will be holding off on 5.1 until I'm satisfied that they have the issues corrected. In the mean time, we are working hard on several other priorities that benefits the majority of our viewers far more then 5.1 audio so please be patent.
Dan Ullmer
WECT Chief Engineer


Is there something different that WNCN Raleigh is doing? They seem to be broadcasting 5.1 just fine?

And so does WMBF in Myrtle Beach. I guess even some smaller stations seem to be able to cope?

Is there something different that WNCN Raleigh is doing? They seem to be broadcasting 5.1 just fine?

And so does WMBF in Myrtle Beach. I guess even some smaller stations seem to be able to cope?

True, NBC WMBF 32-1 Myrtle Beach have no problem with DD5.1 audio.

Was the flood down there last night why WECT was not able to show picture and sound? I saw on WWAY and WSFX in fine print "Flood Warning", (not very serious seeming) so I watched the news on 26, and it looked like a disaster area. People drowning almost, and cars almost submerged on Market St.

True, NBC WMBF 32-1 Myrtle Beach have no problem with DD5.1 audio.

I wonder if I should compile a list of NBC DD 5.1 stations?
What makes Wilmington unique?
I'm glad this "it only benefits a few so why should we bother?" attitude wasn't always in vogue or we wouldn't have television! Or radio, or cars, and on and on.... anyway, how about some DD 5.1 WECT?

Am I the only one having problems viewing WWAY? I can only view on 46

Am I the only one having problems viewing WWAY? I can only view on 46


I noticed that too. WWAY seems to be weaker than WECT also. Maybe they need to change the 6af4 & 6Lq6 the power out put tube.

I noticed that too. WWAY seems to be weaker than WECT also. Maybe they need to change the 6af4 & 6Lq6 the power out put tube.

Thanks. Apparently WWAY doesn't have many OTA viewers, or it is harder to tell if there is a problem closer in. The signal has been weaker than WECT and WSFX for months now on my TV.

I agree. WWAY has been much weaker here in Hubert for some time now. Frequently it won't stay locked in. WECT and WSFX are solid as usual.

I noticed that too. WWAY seems to be weaker than WECT also. Maybe they need to change the 6af4 & 6Lq6 the power out put tube.

Sorry, but we were having problems with our PSIP generator. Our actual RF output is on channel 46. Channel 3 is our virtual channel.

Ray

I noticed that a few months ago I think, I all of a sudden lost WWAY (on my Dish 720) and had to manually add it back, and it didn't remap to 3... still on 46... I remember seeing that happen at least a few times in the early days when they went digital...

Ray,

I'm back on 3.1 and 3.2 now, but the signal is still 30% lower than normal.

Sorry, but we were having problems with our PSIP generator. Our actual RF output is on channel 46. Channel 3 is our virtual channel.

Ray

Does the power amp need a tube?

The signal has been weaker.

I love the rtn with the old shows & the tv guide on the channel. I watch it more than I do the regular networks. Do not need tv cable to get the reruns. I remember when wway went on the air in fall of 1964 & they had the strongest signal in Conway from your 1200' tower in Boiling Springs with reruns of Amos & Andy.

WYDO FOX 14 physical channel 47 is now on the air out of Trenton in Jones county where 12 broadcasts from. Most of you in the Pender, Sampson, Duplin county areas should get it if you rescan your equipment. Good news and weather reports too, just no news in HD yet.

It's week 312 without DD 5.1 on WECT. Do you know where your NBC network provided DD 5.1 is?

What do a 100+ affiliates (Including Raleigh and Myrtle Beach) know that we don't?

Any bets on WILM being there first?

I got an email from someone at NBC saying Dan had been in touch with him and that 5.1 would reappear on WECT tomorrow. I got that email Tuesday night.

I am in Rome working, so I won't know if it came back to life until I rewind my DVR the Monday after the NFL Hall of Fame game.

Look for it. Email me at imixtv@yahoo.com if you see it (hear it) reappear.

As much as I bashed Dan on here, I owe him a big "thank you" for getting DD back up, especially before football!

Wendel

I got an email from someone at NBC saying Dan had been in touch with him and that 5.1 would reappear on WECT tomorrow. I got that email Tuesday night.

I am in Rome working, so I won't know if it came back to life until I rewind my DVR the Monday after the NFL Hall of Fame game.

Look for it. Email me at imixtv@yahoo.com if you see it (hear it) reappear.

As much as I bashed Dan on here, I owe him a big "thank you" for getting DD back up, especially before football!

Wendel


WECT is now DD 5.1! Thanks Dan! Now this crabby old guy will have to find something else to gripe about.... Let's see... Health reform? <G>

Ulltron,

We appreciate all your dedication in getting us Digital sound again! Now if NBC can just find some worthwhile programming to listen to it with. :)

Does the power amp need a tube?

The signal has been weaker.

I love the rtn with the old shows & the tv guide on the channel. I watch it more than I do the regular networks. Do not need tv cable to get the reruns. I remember when wway went on the air in fall of 1964 & they had the strongest signal in Conway from your 1200' tower in Boiling Springs with reruns of Amos & Andy.

I was looking at our signal yesterday on the spectrum analyzer and I think we need to do a little tweaking. The DTV signal can be a little fussy sometimes. As for the tube, I haven't had a failure on a IOT yet, but I understand they work fine until they die. Not the the old analog days where the tube would go gassy and soft. We are still on original tube, so I think we are about due.

Ray

This is not good. If this happens, everyone will need an antenna again.

http://www.wsfx.com/Global/story.asp?S=10501182

Did everyone move out of Wilmington?

I have been picking up WILM quite often lately, and see they can do Regis and Kelly in HD this morning. WNCT does not, and has a horrible picture from that show.

Noticed over the last few weekends that WWAY has stopped doing a weekend newscast. What happened? They still have a weaker signal than they used to. Doesn't seem right that WILM comes in almost as strong as WWAY! I don't get why WILM shows up as 40-1 on my TV though.

Did everyone move out of Wilmington?

I have been picking up WILM quite often lately, and see they can do Regis and Kelly in HD this morning. WNCT does not, and has a horrible picture from that show.

Noticed over the last few weekends that WWAY has stopped doing a weekend newscast. What happened? They still have a weaker signal than they used to. Doesn't seem right that WILM comes in almost as strong as WWAY! I don't get why WILM shows up as 40-1 on my TV though.


I wish I could be more helpful but I'm big company evil cable.

Did everyone move out of Wilmington?

I have been picking up WILM quite often lately, and see they can do Regis and Kelly in HD this morning. WNCT does not, and has a horrible picture from that show.

Noticed over the last few weekends that WWAY has stopped doing a weekend newscast. What happened? They still have a weaker signal than they used to. Doesn't seem right that WILM comes in almost as strong as WWAY! I don't get why WILM shows up as 40-1 on my TV though.

WWAY did announce a few weeks ago that they were going to stop weekend news--cost cutting... the odd thing is that the replacement programming has really horrible video and especially sound quality...

If they (WWAY) don't stop spending 1/2 their newscast on Soles, rehashing old sh*t, I'm going to stop watching them altogether... oh wait, I watch PBS for my news at 6pm.... nevermind... LOL

WWAY did announce a few weeks ago that they were going to stop weekend news--cost cutting... the odd thing is that the replacement programming has really horrible video and especially sound quality...


Rule of thumb is, you run what the paying customer gives you. It is THEIR money and time.

WWAY did announce a few weeks ago that they were going to stop weekend news--cost cutting... the odd thing is that the replacement programming has really horrible video and especially sound quality...

If they (WWAY) don't stop spending 1/2 their newscast on Soles, rehashing old sh*t, I'm going to stop watching them altogether... oh wait, I watch PBS for my news at 6pm.... nevermind... LOL


Ok thanks. I used to watch WWAY all the time for news, but when they cut back on Onslow county stuff, I pretty much hardly ever tune them in at news. I only watch now if the ABC show has DD 5.1, otherwise I watch WCTI. I did notice that nascar show looked pretty bad.

I wish I could be more helpful but I'm big company evil cable.



I sympathize. :D

{snippage}
I don't get why WILM shows up as 40-1 on my TV though.

Uhm, that would be because they're broadcasting on channel 40. Just like WECT is really on channel 44 and WWAY is at channel 46. Sounds like WILM just isn't sending the virtual channel metadata to tell your TV to display it as 10-1.

Uhm, that would be because they're broadcasting on channel 40. Just like WECT is really on channel 44 and WWAY is at channel 46. Sounds like WILM just isn't sending the virtual channel metadata to tell your TV to display it as 10-1.

I know, but on www.wilm-tv.com, it says they are on channel 10.1 - go figure...

I guess LD's don't have to transmit PSIP

They don't have to, but many do. And the last data I have from WILM-LD, admittedly several months old, does have them mapping to 10-1.

- Trip

I'm still mapping to 10-1...

But, a while back, WWAY had a problem with their PSIP, and it mapped to 46 instead of 3.

A re-scan will usually fix that... (once they fix their PSIP stream)

I just started receiving 10-1 yesterday evening. The receiver is still tuning it in.

I am using a small RS yagi. the signal level for 10-1 runs in the high 50's.

My assumption borders on two views.
1. The weather systems causing 10-1 to propagate further.
2. 10-1 has increased power.

My view is leaning more toward #1

I watched the Bears Denver game last night on NBC WECT and really appreciated DD 5.1 on WECT. It brought everything alive! Thanks to Dan and the crew for bringing DD 5.1 back. Now if we can just get WILM going!

I just started receiving 10-1 yesterday evening. The receiver is still tuning it in.

I am using a small RS yagi. the signal level for 10-1 runs in the high 50's.

My assumption borders on two views.
1. The weather systems causing 10-1 to propagate further.
2. 10-1 has increased power.

My view is leaning more toward #1

I think it's number one. I can't get them now like I did last week. I wish they could increase power, and I could bid WNCT adieu.

I just checked 9-1 and 10-1 and am still receiving both.

I will post once a week with my results.

The Wilmington TV market continues to grow. The area gained two spots on Nielsen's latest rankings. I believe it went from 135 to 133. Doesn't make sense to me, I thought for sure it would drop since WECT moved their tower away from inland areas...

This makes the 16th consecutive day I have viewed 10-1 and 9-1 .

10-1 from the front side and 9-1 from the back.

12-1 shows up at 62% signal strength. But does not tune.

I've been getting WILM the past three evenings (30%) or so but steady. I guess my Winegard HD 8800 is working well. This is around the same way WECT used to come in when it was at Delco for me.

What kind of tuner are you using for WCTI? Directv box or a TV? Maybe just re-scan. If that doesn't work, maybe visit the Greenville topic. The chief engineer of 12 posts there, and might be able to help. Their picture is better than WSFX's for THIS TV. More bandwidth and does not blotch during fast moving scenes. I also think their ABC picture is better than WWAY.

Couldn't figure out why WWAY wasn't coming in last night, then I remembered to do a rescan (actually, just did a delete, then manual add of 46).

PSIP issues again I guess, no remapping to 3-1/3-2, just staying at 46.

I put a another antenna up in the attic recently to replace a yagi (using the old Radio Shack 15-1880), and on WILM, WUNJ, WECT, WSFX I get just about 100% signal strength--WWAY is around 75 or less.

Considering a few of those other stations are on the same tower I believe--or at least on the same azimuth, I'd expect WWAY strength to be on par with the others...

I wonder if Billy is still at WWAY? Their signal is still weaker for me also. Sunday night I tried to watch RTV 3.2 and could not even see it the picture was so distorted.

I've been getting WILM the past three evenings (30%) or so but steady. I guess my Winegard HD 8800 is working well. This is around the same way WECT used to come in when it was at Delco for me.

What kind of tuner are you using for WCTI? Directv box or a TV? Maybe just re-scan. If that doesn't work, maybe visit the Greenville topic. The chief engineer of 12 posts there, and might be able to help. Their picture is better than WSFX's for THIS TV. More bandwidth and does not blotch during fast moving scenes. I also think their ABC picture is better than WWAY.

directv aim21

I reset the OTA and picked up 12-1 now 3-1 and subs tank at night.

directv aim21

I reset the OTA and picked up 12-1 now 3-1 and subs tank at night.

I checked during lunch and WAY is now back up on 3x's

These are in addition to 6x, 26x and 39x

I now again receive all 3x
9x has been reliable for two weeks
12x 100% of the time
7x sometimes problematic in the AM
10-1 comes through consistently from mid AM to the next early AM

Those of you who have antennas and watch MyNetwork TV on WPXU 35-1, you will not continue to see MyTV unless you try to get WITN 7.2 (32) or WBTW 13.2 35 has given up MyTV to WITN starting tomorrow. I believe 35 will be just ION from then on.

I don't believe there is another MyTV affiliate in Wilmington, unless it's a low power? WITN may be a problem because of WMBF being on the same channel. WBTW 13 would require a VHF antenna

I don't believe there is another MyTV affiliate in Wilmington, unless it's a low power? WITN may be a problem because of WMBF being on the same channel. WBTW 13 would require a VHF antenna[/QUOTE]

WMBF has a lousy channel assignment. They can't cover the entire market with 32, and they would probably be much better off with a new channel assignment and tower location. I don't think they can move inland because of WRLK in Columbia, or north, because of WITN.

W47CK.

- Trip

W47CK.

- Trip

This signal is only good for Shallotte and does not come close to Wilmington, plus it is analog.] I don't see why this is even on the air at this point?

http://www.fcc.gov/ftp/Bureaus/MB/Databases/fm_tv_service_areas/maps/TX621286.jpg

They have a permit for a companion channel on 27.

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=LD1157208.html

- Trip

WMBF has a lousy channel assignment. They can't cover the entire market with 32, and they would probably be much better off with a new channel assignment and tower location. I don't think they can move inland because of WRLK in Columbia, or north, because of WITN.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you about wmbf. I would have thought that after the analog shut down leaving more available channels that wmbf would have obtained a channel with the clearance to move the transmitter to a tower north & higher with more power to cover the east Florence & Marion county area & the area covered by the WECT analog tower just north of the SC & NC state line.

But at this time I am sure it comes down to money. TV station bussiness is as risky as it was for uhf tv stations in the mid 1950s. In those days. every thing had tubes in it so it took a lot of electricty to run even a low band tv station with a erp of 100k watts. The uhf staions had a huge electric bill thus some went out of bussiness & off the air.

Got an E_mail from WILM.... Sounds like DD 5.1 is a long way off. You would think the networks would put some kind of requirement on local broadcasters to come up to spec after a time period......

Got an E_mail from WILM.... Sounds like DD 5.1 is a long way off. You would think the networks would put some kind of requirement on local broadcasters to come up to spec after a time period......

I am sure if you have a spare $20k sitting around, I am sure WILM would love for you to buy them a 5.1 encoder. That is what they cost.

Got an E_mail from WILM.... Sounds like DD 5.1 is a long way off. You would think the networks would put some kind of requirement on local broadcasters to come up to spec after a time period......

Believe it or not, broadcast stations are not required by anyone to even do High Definition. Instead of sound, I would rather see a tower built in the center of the market by two or three of the stations to reach more viewers, and stop wasting so much signal over the water. The analog reached inland more than the digital from what I have read. WWAY still weak also, like 25% l3ss than it used to be. A circuit breaker may be thrown on the transmitter... I keep losing PSIP and have to go to 46 at times.

You could always put up a VHF antenna and pick up WBTW or WNCT for CBS Dolby Digital audio. Radio Shack has lots of upper VHF antennas now.

I am sure if you have a spare $20k sitting around, I am sure WILM would love for you to buy them a 5.1 encoder. That is what they cost.

Another case of knowing this was coming 10+ years ago and not budgeting for it. Come to think of it, of all people, WILM should of been way out in front of this. I wonder if our buddy Foxengr would be using the same argument if WILM didn't upgrade to color when all the other stations had. My guess is he would. Never has a business had such a long road map laid out for it so far ahead.

And, WILM's owner station (big brother station, or whatever...), WRAL, surely has money... or at least the budget, considering they've had many broadcast first's in the country. But hey, we're a small market, and treated as such... that's life...

Re: WWAY, yep, about once a month I have to delete the channel and re-add due to PSIP issues...

Being snarky doesn't really do any good.

I told you want the deal is, you want to blame. Market size determines what a station can buy, not who owns them. Each station pretty much stands on its own two legs in just about every broadcast company I know. Even as an O & O owned by FOX for 13 years, my station didn't get anymore toys than we could afford and that is the way it should be. WILM doesn't make the kind of money WRAL does. I am sure WILM have other priorities than 5.1 at the moment. Yeah, it sucks for you, but what would do if WILM wasn't even there for CBS programming? There was a time in the not too distant past that was true for Wilmington.

They should try moving up the road a piece and check out those stations. We only get 5.1 from WNCT and UNCTV. WITN, WCTI, and WYDO do not offer 5.1 audio ever, and we just recently got HD crawls on WCTI so not to ruin an HD show with bulletins, and FOX just recently started offering non network HD live sports, where WSFX has been doing that for years. Hell, I believe Foxengs FOX station is just now setting up to be able to do this.

We don't even have ONE station do to widescreen news, let alone HD news, so I am happy to be able to get WECT and WSFX especially for my viewing sessions! :)

I wish my county was "officially" in the ILM Market.

If WILM wasn't here? I'd be getting CBS-HD via Dish for $1.50/mo. like I did for years before WILM could broadcast a signal beyond 100'...

Being snarky doesn't really do any good.

I told you want the deal is, you want to blame. Market size determines what a station can buy, not who owns them. Each station pretty much stands on its own two legs in just about every broadcast company I know. Even as an O & O owned by FOX for 13 years, my station didn't get anymore toys than we could afford and that is the way it should be. WILM doesn't make the kind of money WRAL does. I am sure WILM have other priorities than 5.1 at the moment. Yeah, it sucks for you, but what would do if WILM wasn't even there for CBS programming? There was a time in the not too distant past that was true for Wilmington.


I was going to comment on your, of all people, "snarky" comment but I guess glass houses are back in fashion as is the old tired, and worn out, "were are the network and you should take what we give and you and be greatful" Actually, that attitude did wonders for the cable industry so I guess greatful is in play.

...Market size determines what a station can buy, not who owns them...

So to clarify a bit, is market size dependent on the population that can receive a station, or is it linked to market share (# that choose to watch a specific station)?

WRAL isn't the only station in their market demographic, so wouldn't the others also have the same market size?

Yet WRAL has been the leader in technology implementation for maybe the past decade at least? Obviously, what they can afford to buy is very dependent on what they are willing to budget and spend, given that they are in the same market as the other stations in the Triangle area...

Seems to me it does depend on who owns the station, since they provide the money, and obviously more has been supplied to WRAL over the years than the other stations in the same market area. You only have to look at their news set, and all the weather equipment for Greg to play with... :)

[QUOTE=MarcS;17400526]So to clarify a bit, is market size dependent on the population that can receive a station, or is it linked to market share (# that choose to watch a specific station)?

WRAL isn't the only station in their market demographic, so wouldn't the others also have the same market size?

QUOTE]

What they all have is DD 5.1 and real transmitters, real people, and real studios in Wilmington.

I was going to comment on your, of all people, "snarky" comment but I guess glass houses are back in fashion as is the old tired, and worn out, "were are the network and you should take what we give and you and be greatful" Actually, that attitude did wonders for the cable industry so I guess greatful is in play.

You are the one with the venom all the time and are never happy with anything so you better be careful about "glass houses" my friend. That door swings both ways.

So to clarify a bit, is market size dependent on the population that can receive a station, or is it linked to market share (# that choose to watch a specific station)?

WRAL isn't the only station in their market demographic, so wouldn't the others also have the same market size?

Yet WRAL has been the leader in technology implementation for maybe the past decade at least? Obviously, what they can afford to buy is very dependent on what they are willing to budget and spend, given that they are in the same market as the other stations in the Triangle area...

Seems to me it does depend on who owns the station, since they provide the money, and obviously more has been supplied to WRAL over the years than the other stations in the same market area. You only have to look at their news set, and all the weather equipment for Greg to play with... :)

To clarify, a TV market, also known as a DMA or Designated Market Area as listed by Nielsen Research is a region where the population can receive the same (or similar) television and radio station offerings, and may also include other types of media including newspapers and Internet content. They can coincide with metropolitan areas, though rural regions with few significant population centers can also be designated as markets. Conversely, very large metropolitan areas can sometimes be subdivided into multiple segments.

Wilmington is its own DMA with 6 counties and is ranked around 120 (if memory serves). WRAL is in the Raleigh/Durham/Fayetteville DMA and it is ranked 29. I am in the Greensboro/High Point/Winston-Salem DMA ranked 46. I would say we make more per commercial here than any station in Wilmington and stations in Raleigh make a little more than we do. Stations in New York and LA make in several days what Wilmington makes in a year. That is the difference in purchasing power when it comes to capital outlay for things like 5.1 encoders and such. It is simple economics, like it or not. You make more, you get to spend more.

If you (plural) want the benefits of a large city, then Wilmington isn't the place to be. You want a easy quiet life style, then Wilmington is probably your cup of tea. You won't get New York City money in Wilmington either. If that is what you want, then you need to move to New York City. Wilmington won't do.

You are the one with the venom all the time and are never happy with anything so you better be careful about "glass houses" my friend. That door swings both ways.

It certainly does.

You are not in Wilmington and yet are telling us what is economicaly viable and not viable for stations you don't even work for. One wonders when the election was held for all the knowing spokesman role? Also WILM is the only station here not running DD 5.1 so don't see a lot of current evidence for the dma analysis you seem to be suggesting. WILM is owned by WRAL and has had 10+ years to plan for this. Maybe we should call WSFX, WECT, WWAY, and UNC to tell them they shouldn't of bought DD 5.1 encoders?

I think they bought DD 5.1 and HD switches because you guys drove them nuts!!!!! :D :D

LOL

Actually WWAY started out early with it, and WSFX gets their sound from network, not in the station, so WECT is the only one to buy an encoder later on. UNC gets theirs from Chapel Hill.

Here is a link to DMA ranks. http://www.tvb.org/rcentral/markettrack/us_hh_by_dma.asp

It certainly does.

You are not in Wilmington and yet are telling us what is economicaly viable and not viable for stations you don't even work for. One wonders when the election was held for all the knowing spokesman role? Also WILM is the only station here not running DD 5.1 so don't see a lot of current evidence for the dma analysis you seem to be suggesting. WILM is owned by WRAL and has had 10+ years to plan for this. Maybe we should call WSFX, WECT, WWAY, and UNC to tell them they shouldn't of bought DD 5.1 encoders?

I grew up in southeastern NC watching WECT and WWAY. I suspect I may know more about that area than you think so tread lightly here my friend. I also have friends who work for the stations there so again, I would tread lightly. You are not listening to reason and to facts. You have no desire to. You are right and everyone else is wrong.

WILM has only be on the air about 10 to 15 years and is a low power station. WWAY and WECT have been on since the late 50's and early 60's as full power stations. That makes a big difference finacially. The problem here is you want it and so everyone should jump. Dream on buddy.

I am done with this. Talk all you want to yourself.

WILM has only be on the air about 10 to 15 years and is a low power station. .

15 years in the community and the vast majority of the viewers are on cable where LP doesn't make any difference. Is there any logic there or just a need to be an authority on all things Wilmington?

P.S. Customers just love to hear companies cry poor mouth. So much more compelling than profitable and vibrant.

Can we try to use this forum for a place of discussion about DTV Wilmington without thinking it is a platform to blast one another and the stations?

You've contacted WILM, and they said they can't do 5.1, so there is nothing else that can be done about it. If you aren't happy, do what I do and DON''T watch.

Personally, I don't think it's right for people to come down to Carolina and start making personal wants and demands to the TV stations, and to whine every time they don't get what they want when they want it, or miss a few minutes of a show because of a storm, but I am a native of this area, so what do I know?

Rich,
What did you retire from?

Can we try to use this forum for a place of discussion about DTV Wilmington without thinking it is a platform to blast one another and the stations?

You've contacted WILM, and they said they can't do 5.1, so there is nothing else that can be done about it. If you aren't happy, do what I do and DON''T watch.

Personally, I don't think it's right for people to come down to Carolina and start making personal wants and demands to the TV stations, and to whine every time they don't get what they want when they want it, or miss a few minutes of a show because of a storm, but I am a native of this area, so what do I know?


Personal wants and demands? You are kidding right? The roadmap for HD and DD 5.1 is at least 10 years old. How many industries have that kind of lead time and can't deliver? CBS has been doing 5.1 for years and WRAL was the first HD station in country. How does that translate into anything but sheer wonder that it hasn't happened yet? DD 5.1 is a personal want? Please!

Go to a NFL stadium, before a game, and watch the microphone placements, the mix trailer setup and the amount of effort it takes to deliver 5.1. Clearly the network thinks it's worth it. Either that or CBS is spending millions on my "personal wants and demands".

Rich,
What did you retire from?

The internet business.

All the stations on the Winnabow tower were off for a time earlier this afternoon. They all seem to be back now though.

3-1 is on 46-1 tonight. It seems to be about 5-10% better signal wise.

I finally figured that out after I tried to re-add 46 and got no signal (because my screen went dead, and I thought they changed the PSIP)...

Checked radar... no storms/lightning...

Maybe tower maintenance?

Some kind of power issue at the tower today. The NWS radio is running on the backup transmitter, and it's located on the WWAY tower... confirmed just now by a forecaster at the NWS office...

WHQR was off all yesterday afternoon and they are on the Winnabow tower.

WHQR was off all yesterday afternoon and they are on the Winnabow tower.
I have never heard of whqr. I tried to look it up at the fcc site & did not find it.

WHQR is 91.3 FM.

- Trip

I have never heard of whqr. I tried to look it up at the fcc site & did not find it.

www.whqr.org

WHQR comes in decently up in Jacksonville. I like Z 107/5 myself. LOL WAZO

www.whqr.org

Oh I understand now, This is an FM radio station.

I once said that analog am radio has 2 side bands that are just alike. I said that the fcc should require all am stations to remove the lower side ban since only once side band is needed Thus to make the lower side band digital like the 56 dial up modems or the set up like the digital cell phones use.

I was rebuked & told that this was a TV forum & not radio.

I am still glad to get the info of the radio station

Oh I understand now, This is an FM radio station.

I once said that analog am radio has 2 side bands that are just alike. I said that the fcc should require all am stations to remove the lower side ban since only once side band is needed Thus to make the lower side band digital like the 56 dial up modems or the set up like the digital cell phones use.

I was rebuked & told that this was a TV forum & not radio.

I am still glad to get the info of the radio station
The sole reason for mentioning WHQR is that it is on the same tower with the TV stations and they all suffered the same fate.

Ok guys, I need some advice. We are in the process of moving as my wife's grandmother will be moving in with us. We will be renting a home over by the hospital, currently we are south of Monkey Junction. I have been OTA (channel master 4221:)) since way back when DirecTV took the Networks away. G'ma wants her cable (her CNN that is). I've been kinda anti-cable in the past. I'm clueless as to whats out there as far as packages/savings for cable and satellite and whats broadcasting in HD and dolby. Not sure if I can put up my current antenna, may save that for when my house is built. Maybe I can pull locals in with rabbit ears;).

Any help appreciated,
Scott

G'ma will have a 27" TV, us a plasma 1080P.

Ok guys, I need some advice. We are in the process of moving as my wife's grandmother will be moving in with us. We will be renting a home over by the hospital, currently we are south of Monkey Junction. I have been OTA (channel master 4221:)) since way back when DirecTV took the Networks away. G'ma wants her cable (her CNN that is). I've been kinda anti-cable in the past. I'm clueless as to whats out there as far as packages/savings for cable and satellite and whats broadcasting in HD and dolby. Not sure if I can put up my current antenna, may save that for when my house is built. Maybe I can pull locals in with rabbit ears;).

Any help appreciated,
Scott

G'ma will have a 27" TV, us a plasma 1080P.

I think you should be able to receive all of the Wilmington tv stations with a in door uhf bow tie unless your are in a metel bulding.

I think you should be able to receive all of the Wilmington tv stations with a in door uhf bow tie unless your are in a metel bulding.

I was wondering the same. I do have access to the attic and may consider that as an additional option. Sad to say but I am more than happy with the OTA limited but excellent quality selection (and pricing too ;)), but grandma wants her CNN and food network.
I'm looking at TWC now and $58 minimum plus I'm sure a heap of taxes too:mad:. I don't even know if that would include other TV's in the house. and the pricing only seems to climb when you think about digital, installation etc..

Scott

I was wondering the same. I do have access to the attic and may consider that as an additional option. Sad to say but I am more than happy with the OTA limited but excellent quality selection (and pricing too ;)), but grandma wants her CNN and food network.
I'm looking at TWC now and $58 minimum plus I'm sure a heap of taxes too:mad:. I don't even know if that would include other TV's in the house. and the pricing only seems to climb when you think about digital, installation etc..

Scott

For those networks I would check into dish or direct tv. The may have them on a small cheap pack. Then you could connect it to just her tv. the other tv I would connect ot an antenna

I'm looking at TWC now and $58 minimum plus I'm sure a heap of taxes too:mad

http://www.yourtwc.com/cablenow/?referencetype=BAU

I just recently signed up for TWC. For twelve months its a hard deal to pass up and its still pretty cheap even after the added fees.

I think Dish Network has the cheapest deal with around $25 a month. Dishes boxes are also supposed to be fast.

http://www.yourtwc.com/cablenow/?referencetype=BAU

I just recently signed up for TWC. For twelve months its a hard deal to pass up and its still pretty cheap even after the added fees.

Thanks, I found that too but as they say "the devil is in the details" and I can't find the details.:eek:. It links me directly to a form to fill out. I'll stop buy their place in the mall and speak to a human..what a concept huh?

Someone must have operated on the WWAY transmitter. My signal is back up to the 90's again! :)

I was wondering the same. I do have access to the attic and may consider that as an additional option. Sad to say but I am more than happy with the OTA limited but excellent quality selection (and pricing too ;)), but grandma wants her CNN and food network.
I'm looking at TWC now and $58 minimum plus I'm sure a heap of taxes too:mad:. I don't even know if that would include other TV's in the house. and the pricing only seems to climb when you think about digital, installation etc..

Scott

I have not seen any thing on there that is worth $58 a month. From what I now get free on the antenna for me tv cable is a waste of money. I would not give them $0.01 for it.

What's up people? I just moved out of Wilmington and into Bladen county. We've got Directv, and I was wanting to get the network channels in HD. I was wondering if I should even bother trying to get HD over the air with an antenna? Would the signals even be strong enough to reach out here (zip 28392)? If so what brand of antenna do you recommend? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

What's up people? I just moved out of Wilmington and into Bladen county. We've got Directv, and I was wanting to get the network channels in HD. I was wondering if I should even bother trying to get HD over the air with an antenna? Would the signals even be strong enough to reach out here (zip 28392)? If so what brand of antenna do you recommend? Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Is there a chimmy to mount an antenna on?

You should be able to get a lot of stations.

With a good out door antenna you will receive Wilmington, Florence & more.

You will have some many you can get you will have a hard time to choose where to point your antenna to choose the one to watch. So I would get 2 antennas & point one to Florence & the other to Wilmington.

I would get this one for Wilmington

http://www.starkelectronic.com/wpr9032.htm

For Florence I would get HBU-33 UHF AND HIGH BAND VHF ANTENNA shown on the same page at the web site.

What's up people? I just moved out of Wilmington and into Bladen county. We've got Directv, and I was wanting to get the network channels in HD. I was wondering if I should even bother trying to get HD over the air with an antenna? Would the signals even be strong enough to reach out here (zip 28392)? If so what brand of antenna do you recommend? Any help would be greatly appreciated.


Welcome to the board. Bladen county is officially in the Wilmington TV market, however, depending on which end of the county you live will determine if you can get WILM (CBS) You should get WECT, WWAY, WUNJ and WSFX easily. You may consider WBTW for CBS if you live south or east, and if you live in the northern part of Bladen county you can easily get WRAL I've heard. As David said, for WBTW you will likely need a VHF capable unit.

I live over 60 miles away from Winnabow, and using a Winegard HD 8800 UHF, I get all the Wilmington stations, except WILM. I also get WNCT ( a Greenville NC station) with this same antenna (which is VHF 10) at over 40 miles in the mid 90's. WBTW is on 13. Hope that helps.

If you could post a tvfool.com link of your location, that would really tell your story.:) Bladen county has a lot of severe weather in the warm months, so make sure the antenna will be secure, and grounded if outside. That ant. Dave linked to looks like a good one also.

Ok guys, I need some advice. We are in the process of moving as my wife's grandmother will be moving in with us. We will be renting a home over by the hospital, currently we are south of Monkey Junction. I have been OTA (channel master 4221:)) since way back when DirecTV took the Networks away. G'ma wants her cable (her CNN that is). I've been kinda anti-cable in the past. I'm clueless as to whats out there as far as packages/savings for cable and satellite and whats broadcasting in HD and dolby. Not sure if I can put up my current antenna, may save that for when my house is built. Maybe I can pull locals in with rabbit ears;).

Any help appreciated,
Scott

G'ma will have a 27" TV, us a plasma 1080P.

There have been a few times I've missed my 4221... :)

I finally put my Radio Shack 1880 up in the attic to replace a combo VHF/UFH antenna, especially now with the WWAY signal strength increased, I pick up all locals with no problem... but the 1880 is no longer available.

Anyway, you shouldn't need a major antenna solution to get locals... either satellite service should be cheaper than cable. I've used the DirecTV box (parent's house), but I really like the Dish interface better on my 722 box... I got grandfathered into the "Dish'n it up" package--only HD channels for $30/mo... of which I only watch a few.

USA network is really trampling the networks with their programming quality...

Thanks for the great responses and warm welcome. I am in the northwest corner of the county right next to Tar Heel, so we are actually closer to Fayetteville.

We've got a chimney, but I was hoping that kind of work wasn't necessary. We do have directv, so all I want is to get FOX, NBC, CBS, and ABC in HD. Would a set top type antenna be capable or will we have to go with the rooftop one? Thanks again.

Thanks for the great responses and warm welcome. I am in the northwest corner of the county right next to Tar Heel, so we are actually closer to Fayetteville.

You can take your pick of channels. Raleigh/Durham, Florence/Myrtle Beach/Lumberton, and or Wilmington from that spot.

We've got a chimney, but I was hoping that kind of work wasn't necessary. We do have directv, so all I want is to get FOX, NBC, CBS, and ABC in HD. Would a set top type antenna be capable or will we have to go with the rooftop one? Thanks again.

I don't think a set top antenna will be enough. It 'might' get some Florence channels. You might get away with an attic install for solid reception of Florence/Myrtle Beach.

What you could do is count on the satellite for Wilmington stations and the antenna pointed at Raleigh or Dillon SC for OTA service.

There have been a few times I've missed my 4221... :)

I finally put my Radio Shack 1880 up in the attic to replace a combo VHF/UFH antenna, especially now with the WWAY signal strength increased, I pick up all locals with no problem... but the 1880 is no longer available.

Anyway, you shouldn't need a major antenna solution to get locals... either satellite service should be cheaper than cable. I've used the DirecTV box (parent's house), but I really like the Dish interface better on my 722 box... I got grandfathered into the "Dish'n it up" package--only HD channels for $30/mo... of which I only watch a few.

USA network is really trampling the networks with their programming quality...

If your pulling in all locals with the 1880 in your attic then I should have no problems using the 4221 (did i remember to say thanks again!). Though taking it down might reduce the value of my home when putting it up for sale.;)
I have been comparing packages for cable, dish & DirecTv and I'm starting to think the same people wrote the 1,900 page health reform bill. I get more confused with each "package" and "installation" requirements ($$) per TV, promo "rebate's" as well as monthly charges per "extra" box. OK, I'm just whining now. I'm used to paying nothing for OTA and receive top video quality. If I'm going to pay for cable/sat, I would like a responsive unit, don't really care about DVR, want HDTV for at least 1 TV and maybe a second for my projector upstairs (component). So who has the best HD included in their "base" price?

back to the sites to read more,
Scott

Thank you WWAY TV for not wrecking "V" premier with election result squeezes! New Bern ABC ruined it with banners squeezed around the picture.

Guess it depends on your viewing habits, but I really like my DVR... set a "season pass", and all new shows will be recorded until the season ends... never have to worry about it...

I still do use my MDP-130 card for most network recordings--but use TW cable lifeline as the feed--although I'm always re-thinking that given my good OTA reception.

I tried feeding my antenna back into the rest of the house, but it didn't work, haven't done any trouble shooting yet, could be I got my connections confused...:confused:

Before:
http://home.earthlink.net/~marcpilot7/tv/wire%20mess2.JPG

After:
http://home.earthlink.net/~marcpilot7/tv/wires%20clean3.JPG

If your pulling in all locals with the 1880 in your attic then I should have no problems using the 4221 (did i remember to say thanks again!). Though taking it down might reduce the value of my home when putting it up for sale.;)
I have been comparing packages for cable, dish & DirecTv and I'm starting to think the same people wrote the 1,900 page health reform bill. I get more confused with each "package" and "installation" requirements ($$) per TV, promo "rebate's" as well as monthly charges per "extra" box. OK, I'm just whining now. I'm used to paying nothing for OTA and receive top video quality. If I'm going to pay for cable/sat, I would like a responsive unit, don't really care about DVR, want HDTV for at least 1 TV and maybe a second for my projector upstairs (component). So who has the best HD included in their "base" price?

back to the sites to read more,
Scott

Like Marc, said, it kind of comes down to how you watch TV. The satellites currently have more HD programming, but TWC is adding channels nearly monthly and have now got 95%+ of our programming covered.

For one or two sets, Dish/DirecTV will likely have the better pricing, assuming you can satisfy your network programming via OTA.

With TWC, all of your connected outlets will be good for analog up to channel 78 with a set top only required for digital channels and some HD. The HD locals are carried in the clear so any device with a QAM tuner can get them without the need for a cable box.

When I did the comparison earlier this year, for 2HD/2SD rooms with one DVR, TWC/Dish/DirectTV ended up within $5-10/month of each other when promo pricing was taken out of the picture and also ignoring the upfront costs of the sat equipment. Obvious tradeoff is all programming would be availabe on every TV with sat, but that's not necessarily a good thing for the 8 year old. In the end, with TWC's price lock bundled with Roadrunner, TWC was the best fit for us. YMMV.

BTW, once you go DVR, you'll wonder how you lived without it, kind of like microwave ovens. I was never a timeshifter much with VCRs; just too cumbersome...DVR is so easy, a caveman could do it, as does my techno challenged wife. :-)

-Brent

I time-shift about 90% of my viewing... what a pleasure... :D

Someone must have operated on the WWAY transmitter. My signal is back up to the 90's again! :)

They must have put a new tube in the transmitter like a 6af4.

They must have put a new tube in the transmitter like a 6af4.

If they did replace a tube, that first one held out for a really long time. WWAY was the very first to come on the air digitally, and the strongest signal.

I grew up in southeastern NC watching WECT and WWAY. I suspect I may know more about that area than you think so tread lightly here my friend. I also have friends who work for the stations there so again, I would tread lightly. You are not listening to reason and to facts. You have no desire to. You are right and everyone else is wrong.

WILM has only be on the air about 10 to 15 years and is a low power station. WWAY and WECT have been on since the late 50's and early 60's as full power stations. That makes a big difference finacially. The problem here is you want it and so everyone should jump. Dream on buddy.

I am done with this. Talk all you want to yourself.

Well there you go Rich. I've not been on here in a while, though I do still lurk a bit, for the very reason you have ran off foxeng. You have all of the answers and the "10 year road map" theory that you love to toss out there. Fact of the matter is, you are not willing to listen to what the very people who are working at the stations are trying to tell you... you just want to attempt to brow-beat them into saying "you are right". In the years I have been a member of these forums I have tried to use them to help improve our viewers experience... either by noting where a problem is, or by informing them as to why there is a problem and when we hope to have it corrected. I don't know foxeng personally, but I do know he has as much or more knowledge about "the business" as anyone else who posts on this forum. So what you do by making the comments that you tend to post here is drive a wedge between the viewers posting here and the very people who have their hands on the equipment and are honestly trying to make things better for those viewers. In effect, you are completely alienating the relationship between the viewers and technical people at the stations. I don't get paid to post on here, but have done so to try to make better what you, the viewer, is wanting. But I also don't care to constantly get bombarded with hot headed people that are not willing to discuss, but only want to blame and spew garbage.

I am not commenting on behalf of my employer, just my personal feelings.

Well there you go Rich. I've not been on here in a while, though I do still lurk a bit, for the very reason you have ran off foxeng. You have all of the answers and the "10 year road map" theory that you love to toss out there. Fact of the matter is, you are not willing to listen to what the very people who are working at the stations are trying to tell you... you just want to attempt to brow-beat them into saying "you are right". In the years I have been a member of these forums I have tried to use them to help improve our viewers experience... either by noting where a problem is, or by informing them as to why there is a problem and when we hope to have it corrected. I don't know foxeng personally, but I do know he has as much or more knowledge about "the business" as anyone else who posts on this forum. So what you do by making the comments that you tend to post here is drive a wedge between the viewers posting here and the very people who have their hands on the equipment and are honestly trying to make things better for those viewers. In effect, you are completely alienating the relationship between the viewers and technical people at the stations. I don't get paid to post on here, but have done so to try to make better what you, the viewer, is wanting. But I also don't care to constantly get bombarded with hot headed people that are not willing to discuss, but only want to blame and spew garbage.

I am not commenting on behalf of my employer, just my personal feelings.

I am not surprised you jumped in to defend a fellow engineer but it's interesting that you seem to be taking the same tact that you accuse me of.

Your post is full of vitrol but short on anything to refute what I have posted. If you or Foxeng want to show where I have gotten it wrong just post it and I will apologize.

When you were facing all kinds of challenges at your station with HD I thought everybody communicated and showed a great deal of patience and you responded in a very professional manner. Contrast that with Foxeng's imperial decrees regarding something he has no responsibility for.

You may not like that the world has changed (in this case very slowly) but change it has.

As far as "alienating" I guess that is in the eye of the beholder. Be a little careful with the broadsides.

Did TW Cable remap all their digital channels? Yesterday I lost all my mappings for locals. Re-scanned one tv and got them back...

Time to build that 8-bay antenna for the attic and go all OTA...

Did TW Cable remap all their digital channels? Yesterday I lost all my mappings for locals. Re-scanned one tv and got them back...

Time to build that 8-bay antenna for the attic and go all OTA...

They probably did. I know they were going to in the Raleigh area. They are also raising rates up to 33% in the Triad, so you know it will happen down here also.

Try this link. http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_web/US:28401#lineup_1104809 Are these the right channels now?

I've just got the basic lifeline service, which went from $8 to $10 earlier this year...

I can confirm that they did remap channels, I had to rescan on all of my receivers... I lost WSFX on one tv a few months ago, and now seem to have lost it on my computer tuner card... but I still get it on another tv. I suspect it could be due to my signal distribution system, maybe length of coax...

Whatever... time to go all OTA anyway, but I'll have to run some more coax under the house--and ain't that some fun! :rolleyes:

Now that's an interesting link... I'll have to consult that a bit more. Most of the mappings seem to match what I've got. But I notice there's no Fox, and for me 78-5 is UNC HD, 88-10 is 14 News.

Wait, http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_web/US:28409#lineup_1105069 this is better...

Turns out the list in the above link is either inaccurate or my tuner card decodes differently... I get WILM on 85-10...

Did TW Cable remap all their digital channels? Yesterday I lost all my mappings for locals. Re-scanned one tv and got them back...

Time to build that 8-bay antenna for the attic and go all OTA...

Here is what I have for the Wilmington qam TW HD channels since the remap:

ABC 3.1
NBC 6.1
CBS 10.1
FOX 10.13 or 85.13*
UNC PBS 78.7**

* Proscan TV shows 10.13 and Westinghouse TV shows 85.13 for Fox HD
** UNC changed from 93.7 on the last remap.

I'll see whats up on the Jacksonville system in an hour or so and see if anything changed, or if Wilmington is coming in again. I these channels used to, but for the last 8 months or so it has been only Greenville/New Bern.

There are no ION digital channels from Jacksonville's 35-1 - 35-4. I think that is illegal too. The must carry law by city of license is not being followed for WPXU

They're only required to carry 35-1.

- Trip

They're only required to carry 35-1.

- Trip

It is only on analog channel 5, no digital version of ION. I just scanned TW and the only changes were to UNC. It comes in on 77.7 HD CBS had changed, but I don't know to what. The TV won't let you see anything but the virtual #s for those. Still no Wilmington HD locals. I guess those days are over.

Fixed the remapping issue by using my antenna feed for all tv's--cable was a convenience for local HD's whose time has now passed... as soon as I make sure the re-wire is robust enough, it will be time to cancel TW Cable lifeline subscription... (I have 2 digital receivers that cannot "see" or map WSFX, pretty sure it's not a problem at my end)

Fixed the remapping issue by using my antenna feed for all tv's--cable was a convenience for local HD's whose time has now passed... as soon as I make sure the re-wire is robust enough, it will be time to cancel TW Cable lifeline subscription... (I have 2 digital receivers that cannot "see" or map WSFX, pretty sure it's not a problem at my end)

On TW qam Wilmington I have 1 receiver that shows it on 10.13 and one that has it on 85.13 but Fox does show up on both with a good picture and audio.

it will be time to cancel TW Cable lifeline subscription

Are some of you paying the 10 bucks a month for HD locals from TW?
I thought there was some law that went with the digital transition that requires cable companies to offer their local digital channels on clear qam without subscription. I could be way off though.

I had not signed up with TW for over a year and had free local HD when i was with Dish network. Mainly had it hooked up for WILM.

I know another household that ditched cable all together but still get the the 4 HD stations, digital substions and news14 for free from TW.

Are some of you paying the 10 bucks a month for HD locals from TW?
I thought there was some law that went with the digital transition that requires cable companies to offer their local digital channels on clear qam without subscription. I could be way off though.

I had not signed up with TW for over a year and had free local HD when i was with Dish network. Mainly had it hooked up for WILM.

I know another household that ditched cable all together but still get the the 4 HD stations, digital substions and news14 for free from TW.

If you have internet with Warner, you still can pick up the digital channels over QAM because they use the same frequency as the roadrunner. however, I don't think it is technically a service you are supposed to be watching without payment. If they came into the home and saw that you had the cable hooked to the TV, it could be a problem.

WWAY noticed yesterday during the race that their power is down again. I wonder if they are just saving money on the power bill?

Now why would you be inviting TW Cable techs into your house?? :D

That's interesting, but the remapping is what I don't like--no problems like that with OTA, unless WWAY decides to mess with their PSIP. I use the MDP-130 tuner card for my OTA DVR, and it takes a while to scan, but more than that, it doesn't always pick up the locals automatically... so I tried to search for WSFX by manually selecting all the main/sub-channels it finds (hundred or so?) to see if I get a picture...

I noticed the WWAY signal strength drop also...

If you have internet with Warner, you still can pick up the digital channels over QAM because they use the same frequency as the roadrunner. however, I don't think it is technically a service you are supposed to be watching without payment. If they came into the home and saw that you had the cable hooked to the TV, it could be a problem.

WWAY noticed yesterday during the race that their power is down again. I wonder if they are just saving money on the power bill?

I assume that one day the cable folks will wise up & put cable modem out side on the side of your house in a locked box. Then will run an cat 5 cable to a rj-45 outlet at your PC.



They just do not make those tubes like the used to.