Im home tonight for the first time in a while so I wont have to record. I should know by 8:00 and report back with any news. Just kidding-did anybody actually see this (HD) on FOX? Whats on tonight, Bones??? I know tomorrow (not that I watch it anymore), cops is on.

Bryan:

I am from Statesboro and you acutally grew up knowing me and my wife. I would not lie to anyone. I have DFT Lyrics recorded on my 622 DVR. It looked awesome. Now, They carried all the national commercials and promo's for fox in HD as well. Only when they switched back to local commericals or News breaks did the picture and sound go back to what we are accustomed to. So, as far as I concerened it's a done deal.:)

Bryan:

I am from Statesboro and you acutally grew up knowing me and my wife. I would not lie to anyone. I have DFT Lyrics recorded on my 622 DVR. It looked awesome. Now, They carried all the national commercials and promo's for fox in HD as well. Only when they switched back to local commericals or News breaks did the picture and sound go back to what we are accustomed to. So, as far as I concerened it's a done deal.:)Thats what I've been waiting to hear. Oh, I wasnt doubting you-its just nobody really came out and said that it was good to go! pm me as to who you are. You obviously figured me out. ;) Or, if you dont care who knows, post it here.

Bryan:

I am from Statesboro and you acutally grew up knowing me and my wife. I would not lie to anyone. I have DFT Lyrics recorded on my 622 DVR. It looked awesome. Now, They carried all the national commercials and promo's for fox in HD as well. Only when they switched back to local commericals or News breaks did the picture and sound go back to what we are accustomed to. So, as far as I concerened it's a done deal.:)

That is good news, tell us what you know about Bryan, we all want to know LOL

Been lurking on here for about a year now, figured it was time to join in.
I live near Parris Island in Beaufort.

I talked to Oljim a couple of times and he convinced me to go the OTA route.

Equipment:
SONY BRAVIA KDL-46XBR2 46" LCD HDTV
Dish 622 DVR
Dell XPS 410, 2.4Ghz, Vista Media Center w/ATI Theater 650 PRO Combo Analog/Digital Tuner connected to Dish and antenna.

Observations:
OTA straight into my TV or PC looks fabulous.
OTA piped through my 622 DVR, whether watched live or recorded, is less sharp and the colors brighten and shift toward red. I had to create a custom video profile to tone things down.
While the HD content from DISH is worlds better than the analog, it just doesn't compare to OTA or even the QAM from Charter.

HDTV sources:
DISH HD package

Savannah OTA HD using CM 4228 antenna and CM7777 amp on 20' pole
NBC WSAV (3.1) 100% signal strength
CBS STOC (11.1) 75%
PBS WJWJ (16.3) 85%
FOX WTGS (28.1) 95%

OTA non-HD Digial
CW WGSA (34.1) 95%

Charter Cable HD Locals Via QAM tuner
ABC WCIV (103.1) Charleston
NBC WSAV (103.2) Savannah
CBS WTOC (103.3) Savannah
PBS WJWJ (94.8) Beaufort

Oljim, who lives about a mile from me, can also pick up the Charleston stations below but I can't seem to get a lock on them. Some show a signal strength of 40% or less. Some don't show up at all. I'm hoping if I run my antenna up another 10 or 15 foot, I might have better luck.

Charleston OTA HD
NBC WCBD (2.1)
ABC WCIV (4.1)
CBS WCSC (5.1)
FOX WTAT (24.1)
CW WCBD (2.2)
PBS WITV (7.1)

That is good news, tell us what you know about Bryan, we all want to know LOL
Depending on which part of my life he witnessed, it could swing 360 degrees. :D btw, head, Jim has been helping me for about 5 years and welcome. One day, maybe, we can all get together over there for lunch.

Headlama I would check and see if your 622 output is set for 1080 I have never seen a 622 that did not look as good as or better than cable on OTA. How do you have 622 hooked to your TV.?
Bryan I am going to come over some day, and I do not care what Fox28 says about ya LOL

Fox 28 is HD 8.02 PM

Fox 28 is HD 8.02 PM


Yes, it is and still looking good.

I must say Fox 28, job well done last night with HD

I does look great and now charter needs to put it in their lineup.

I guess I should send them another email. This time a congratulatory one.

Headlama I would check and see if your 622 output is set for 1080 I have never seen a 622 that did not look as good as or better than cable on OTA. How do you have 622 hooked to your TV.?
Bryan I am going to come over some day, and I do not care what Fox28 says about ya LOL

My 622 is set at 1080 and connected via HDMI. It doesn't look bad, just different. The colors are over saturated on default settings. I've mostly fixed that. Isn't it true that the incoming signal is converted to mpeg2 and cached on the hard drive on the fly as you're watching? Hence there is a bit of degradation. On the other hand, running the antenna through the 622 seems to smooth/remove some of the pixelation that occurs on fast moving scenes.

So, we can guess that the super bowl was the driving force for the change, correct?

I have Directv with a HR20-100 DVR and as a stated in last post, receive CBS,NBC. I tried rescan many times, still no Fox 28, do they only flip the switch at prime time? I asked a rep at Best Buys and he told me you will not received Fox HD in Bluffton SC because it is out of Atlanta, that does not make any sence. I would appreciate any help to be able to watch the Super Bowl in HD not blur vision. Thank You

Hello Bipshire,

The HR20 relies on information received from Tribune Media Services to tell it that FOX28 is available. No one knows when that will happen. You could connect your OTA antenna directly to the TV but of course you would not be able to record the game on the HR20. I also have an HR20 and plan on doing scans for FOX28 right up to game time.

I have Directv with a HR20-100 DVR and as a stated in last post, receive CBS,NBC. I tried rescan many times, still no Fox 28, do they only flip the switch at prime time? I asked a rep at Best Buys and he told me you will not received Fox HD in Bluffton SC because it is out of Atlanta, that does not make any sence. I would appreciate any help to be able to watch the Super Bowl in HD not blur vision. Thank You

Great signal here in Beaufort. Truely the boy rep doesn't know what he's talking about.

FOX 28.1 is now gone, anyone else?

Yes, I just came out here to check. Wonder What's up now!

Yes, I just came out here to check. Wonder What's up now!


It is making me a little nervous with 22 hours till game time.

Hey rjknyy,

I live in Midway, not too far from you and I can't get 28.1 either. I just went out today to pickup an internal HD antenna that was well reviewed from Radioshack. I can get 10 HD channels right now, but none of them are WTGS!

Oh well, hopefully it will show up soon...

Chuck

Me too. Just saw it was gone. That's not cool. I was hoping to check out this new quality the people here say it has...dunno if any HD programming on tonight though...

Hrm..should we start calling and emailing the station to hope it's all up again by gametime?

Hrm..should we start calling and emailing the station to hope it's all up again by gametime?


It is back, let's hope it stays that way:)

Howie,

I'm not sure where to call, but I'll keep checking.

BTW, can you or anyone else get any of the ION HD channels? I was able to pick it up earlier in the day but now I'm not picking it up anymore...

Chuck

:)

Yep, it's up and looking great! I'm glad I found this forum. It's proven very helpful on getting me setup for OTA HD so I thank everyone who has contributed.

Chuck

Hmmmm, it is gone again

Hmmmm, it is gone again

I have been watching since about 9:00 pm with no problem. Pic is clear using small indoor antenna.

Great job new management team at Fox28.

http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/DoubleBow.html

Uh-oh looks like RS stopped selling the antenna. Guess they realize there is money in selling over price fancy looking ones that have marginal performance.

For what it is worth I have a spare RS U-75R. It is 40" Yagi style. Those folks that live a bit from Sav may be interested.

Man, it is off again, I'll have some explaining to do if it has these issues during the game.

11:10 Sunday February 3rd, 2008, mine is gone. Is the Superbowl tonight? :rolleyes:

Hrm...so..who do we all call? Which phone number do we tell people to flood?

bryan92: You mean there's some sort of football game tonight?

What's worse, even their SD signal on plain old analog 28 is horrible...and their uplink to DISH and DirecTV. It keeps jumping and freezing and cutting out.

If this keeps up, we'll be out of not just superbowl in HD, but the superbowl period!

Great job new management team at Fox28.

Looks like you jinxed it! When I first read that, I misread and thought you were being sarcastic. Now you SHOULD've been sarcastic with that statement :D

1:26pm and it's back, keep those fingers crossed that it stays that way:D BTW...it looks awesome!

I just want a number I can put into speed dial so I can harass them if they go down during the game :)

its beautiful! what a relief!

anyone having luck yet with the the directv dvr boxes picking up fox yet?

Here in Bluffton, there is same old sd fox I rescan every half hour. I tried to get over my Pioneer tv tuner, same thing. Sumitted 25 wavers for east coast feed, 25 denied not happy. Great place to live, not for watching HD.

anyone having luck yet with the the directv dvr boxes picking up fox yet?


Nope, I'm just going straight into the TV with my antenna

it is a pretty good picture...with a great signal too.

Here in Bluffton, there is same old sd fox I rescan every half hour. I tried to get over my Pioneer tv tuner, same thing. Sumitted 25 wavers for east coast feed, 25 denied not happy. Great place to live, not for watching HD.

You need to spend a few $ and get an outside ant. $30 for a R/S U 75

Oljim why is it that I receive CBS,NBC, with my indoor ant but not Fox?

Oljim why is it that I receive CBS,NBC, with my indoor ant but not Fox?
Is it possible that your inside antenna is a VHF and not a UHF antenna?

CBS and NBC digital feeds are on UHF frequencies

Oljim why is it that I receive CBS,NBC, with my indoor ant but not Fox?Sometimes certain channels are trickier to grab than others. MOST of the time, actually. The last thing you want is an indoor antenna if you want optimal reception. I learned that the hard way. I was stubborn, too. :)

CBS and NBC digital feeds are on UHF frequencies
I know all that but still wonder if he is just using a VHF antenna.

I know all that but still wonder if he is just using a VHF antenna.

If he had, he most likely wouldn't get NBC and CBS over FOX...they seem to have a strong signal. And who'd have guessed it'd be a single digit game at halftime? Poor vegas peoples losing money..they've lost the spread in every quarter so far..and the points too. 55 o/u? Yeah right.

Picture and sound was spot on for entire game. Surround sound was amazing too. I could hear fans behind me. Clear distinction between left and right rear channels. When camera cut to just game announcers it went to the center channel. Soundstage was great.

Again Kudos to Fox28!

Well, the game and House are over...they looked and sounded great. But now that the local news is on, both digital and analog fox28 both started having problems. Must be why the DT transmitter keeps getting taken down. They must be having problems with the switching to and from HD content.

Also, during the game, the local commercials were insanely louder than the network ones. It could be what they are still working on.

However, kudos on the entire Superbowl pregame and game..and even House afterwards. At least these new station owners seem to have some priorities. :)

Looks like you jinxed it! When I first read that, I misread and thought you were being sarcastic. Now you SHOULD've been sarcastic with that statement :D

Howie, Sorry to read that your D~ uplink is horrible. I have good picture on both OTA and through uplink on Hargray cable. Hope it was not jinxed for any body else.

Howie, Sorry to read that your D~ uplink is horrible. I have good picture on both OTA and through uplink on Hargray cable. Hope it was not jinxed for any body else.

Heh...we posted at the same time it seems.. It is the OTA digital, analog, AND uplink that was on the fritz. When the digital signal went ok, so did the analog and uplink to cable and the sat providers. I suspect they are having some problem going from HD to SD shows that is causing the problem.

But at least they got the game in without a hitch. Well, there were a few times we had some sort of random signal dropout..dunno if it was my amp or their transmitter, but it came right back after that...with 95% signal each time.

Nice job New vision, Now it's time to get busy on WJCL. How about HD OTA by the end of the month?

For the last several days I've been experiencing maddening OTA signal fluctuations. I've noticed it most in the evenings, which is odd because I used to get stronger signals then. The new improved FOX I can understand but I'm having the problem on all channels. I'll flop on the couch and flip through NBC, CBS, PBS, FOX & CW and they're all at 85-100% strength, except CBS which tops out at 75% on a good day. A little while later, it'll either start breaking up badly or I'll get the big yellow signal lost screen from my 622. I'll flip through the channels again and find them all in the 60's or lower and the numbers are going up/down/up/down. I was used to this with CBS, which used to run at <70% before I got my amp. Sporadically PBS would drop also. I'd bring up the signal strength screen on my TV and it would be at stable 85% then suddenly drop into the 40's for a couple of seconds. Now the they all crap out for several minutes at a time. Even NBC which runs at 100% I usually give up and come back later to find everything back to normal. At least for a while. Needless to say I can't rely on anything to record properly. I'm having to dual record shows off OTA and satellite just in case the OTA dropped out mid-show.

Another problem I've noticed is that I get a 5-10% lower signal reading through my 622 than I get on the TV. Sometimes a given channel will start dropping out and I check the signal to see it's down in the low 60's. I can switch over to the TV and the signal is coming in the 70's or better. I had my antenna connected directly to the TV until I got the 622. I had problems with CBS and PBS as mentioned earlier. After I got the DVR, I ran the antenna through it and got pretty much the same results. I then tried putting a splitter in so that I could record HD OTA and watch another channel on the TV but that made my signal drop so low that all I could get was NBC. So I installed the CM 7777 amp. I wrote down the signal strengths of all the channels before installation and afterwards. With the amp, I was happy to note that they dropped either none at all or only 1-2%. Everything ran fine for a week or two then I started having problems.

Fox OTA was off the air last night until just before the game. I'm not a fan but I did switch over to it a few times during the game and it was still up. I had House set to record afterwards, but it went down again. In fact all the channels went dead or badly broken up about the same time. I couldn't pick them up on the 622 or TV. I went to switch back to satellite to set it to record the analog 28 and my satellite was down also. It took it about 10 minutes of trying and failing to re-acquire signal before it came back up. Once it did, I found that all the OTA's were back up too. We started watching House live on 28.1 and then about 10 minutes into it, it started breaking up again. I switched over to satellite for 10 minutes then during a commercial break I switched back to OTA. It remained clear until the end of the show.

What is causing this erratic behavior?! Are we having solar flares or something? Is anyone else experiencing these problems? HELP! It's driving my nuts.

I would check all your cable connections from ant, do you use diplexers? I did not see any signal drop out last night. I recorded House will look and see how it was. I have never seen a signal (yellow lost signal) on my 622s from any Sav station. My 4228 is at 23 ft no amp but do have a rotor on both ants. My big ant is 36-37 ft amp amd rotor all the signals are 95+ from Sav. How long is your cable yo ant.

I just did a ch scan with 622, with ant pointed to Sav. it found 14 ch, with ant pointed to Charleston it found 17 ch.

Nope, no diplexers. One Splitter. Just as a test when having issues the other day, I took it out and hooked the antenna feed straight into the 622. Still had crappy signal. Later on, everything was good again. Since my signal was so strong after putting in the amp, I put in a 3 way splitter so I could drive the 622, the TV and my media center PC. Signal levels were still in the 90+ range. Except WTOC. I've never got that above 75%. I don't have a rotor. If the direction is so critical between WTOC and the others that I need a rotor even at this distance, I don't see how I'd ever be able to watch and record at the same time unless I put up two antenna's. Since WTOC is the weakest signal, I directed my antenna toward it. The other stations saw minimal or no loss.

What's frustrating is the problem is intermittent and random. All the channels don't always drop out at the same time. Sometimes it's just one or a few. At one point last night, they were all dead except WGSA which was still going strong at 92%.

I guess I could bypass the amp and take out the splitter to see if the problems go away again. WTOC would go back to being borderline all the time. I don't see how you get it at 95%. We have the same equipment. I thought maybe height was my problem but I've temporarily raised the pole up another 8 feet, which would put mine higher than yours and I saw no difference.

Hi everyone. New guy here. First, just want to thank everyone who provides information to this forum. It has helped me tremendously in getting set up for receiving HD ota. Some quick stats: Radio Shack VU 190XR mounted at 25 ft, CM 7777 amp & rotor, approx. 30 ft cable run directly to TV. Have picked up HD stations as far away as Atlanta, Jacksonville, and Augusta with 80-90 signal. No problem ever with Charleston and Savannah. Last night however, was odd. The signal dropout HeadLlama described was my experience to a tee, but Sunday was the first day I had seen this. It started about an hour before Super Bowl and continued throughout Monday morning. Checked FOX 24 WTAT out of Charleston at 2:00 p.m. signal was 100%. Not knowing too much about UHF/VHF frequencies, I was wondering if fog could affect them. I also have Charter Cable and it too had a couple of drop outs. Any thoughts?

Oljim...I was having the same problem last night from both Charleston and Savannah on all OTA except Beaufort PBS. I ended up just watching analog 24 out of Charleston.

Looks like something strange last night, the only thing I recorded last night was house, I will see if it had dropouts.

I watched House last night with no drops outs. I use small bow tie on top of armoir. Maybe they have too much amp. Has anybody done signal strength testing using meter?

The weatherman is calling for fog tonight. We'll if the same problem occurs. Pooler is lot closer to the transmitters than we are over in Beaufort. Not sure were WillieT located.

I just did a rescan and locked on to 5 chan. from Fl. I am watching DRV65 from Orlando and can get 3 other stations from Orlando, must be the weather also have one 15.1/2/3/4/5 some PBS from Fl and 43.1/2/3 some good life ch.??? But all the Sav stations are good

For the last several days I've been experiencing maddening OTA signal fluctuations. I've noticed it most in the evenings, which is odd because I used to get stronger signals then. The new improved FOX I can understand but I'm having the problem on all channels. I'll flop on the couch and flip through NBC, CBS, PBS, FOX & CW and they're all at 85-100% strength, except CBS which tops out at 75% on a good day. A little while later, it'll either start breaking up badly or I'll get the big yellow signal lost screen from my 622. I'll flip through the channels again and find them all in the 60's or lower and the numbers are going up/down/up/down. I was used to this with CBS, which used to run at <70% before I got my amp. Sporadically PBS would drop also. I'd bring up the signal strength screen on my TV and it would be at stable 85% then suddenly drop into the 40's for a couple of seconds. Now the they all crap out for several minutes at a time. Even NBC which runs at 100% I usually give up and come back later to find everything back to normal. At least for a while. Needless to say I can't rely on anything to record properly. I'm having to dual record shows off OTA and satellite just in case the OTA dropped out mid-show.

Another problem I've noticed is that I get a 5-10% lower signal reading through my 622 than I get on the TV. Sometimes a given channel will start dropping out and I check the signal to see it's down in the low 60's. I can switch over to the TV and the signal is coming in the 70's or better. I had my antenna connected directly to the TV until I got the 622. I had problems with CBS and PBS as mentioned earlier. After I got the DVR, I ran the antenna through it and got pretty much the same results. I then tried putting a splitter in so that I could record HD OTA and watch another channel on the TV but that made my signal drop so low that all I could get was NBC. So I installed the CM 7777 amp. I wrote down the signal strengths of all the channels before installation and afterwards. With the amp, I was happy to note that they dropped either none at all or only 1-2%. Everything ran fine for a week or two then I started having problems.

Fox OTA was off the air last night until just before the game. I'm not a fan but I did switch over to it a few times during the game and it was still up. I had House set to record afterwards, but it went down again. In fact all the channels went dead or badly broken up about the same time. I couldn't pick them up on the 622 or TV. I went to switch back to satellite to set it to record the analog 28 and my satellite was down also. It took it about 10 minutes of trying and failing to re-acquire signal before it came back up. Once it did, I found that all the OTA's were back up too. We started watching House live on 28.1 and then about 10 minutes into it, it started breaking up again. I switched over to satellite for 10 minutes then during a commercial break I switched back to OTA. It remained clear until the end of the show.

What is causing this erratic behavior?! Are we having solar flares or something? Is anyone else experiencing these problems? HELP! It's driving my nuts.

What is the condition of your cable. Current either from a sat receiver or an amp produces heat from resistance and can break down a faulty cable and could explain while the signal drops(cable cold, signal okay...after on awhile, cable gets hot and becomes faulty.)

I have installed satellites in the past and have had to troubleshoot weak sat signals that were using old RG 59, the customer's signal would be okay when the receiver was first turned on but would weaken after awhile. Checking the voltage on the cable with my meter would most always reveal a bad cable as the problem.

"What is the condition of your cable. Current either from a sat receiver or an amp produces heat from resistance and can break down a faulty cable and could explain while the signal drops(cable cold, signal okay...after on awhile, cable gets hot and becomes faulty.)

I have installed satellites in the past and have had to troubleshoot weak sat signals that were using old RG 59, the customer would have the same problem as yours. Checking the voltage on the cable with my meter would most always reveal a bad cable as the problem." *******************

First of all, we are talking about OTA and not satellite. I sure hope everyone is using RG6 instead of RG59 coax. Tell us more about this voltage on the coax. OTA is just a signal voltage and not enough to heat coax up. About the only heat would be from sunlight.

I watched House last night with no drops outs. I use small bow tie on top of armoir. Maybe they have too much amp. Has anybody done signal strength testing using meter?

I had dropouts during the Superbowl...but not during HOUSE. I can't believe that chick just had a broken toe...anyway. Right after House, when it went back to SD for the local news, it suddenly had...well..not dropouts, but 'glitches' where the picture would jump around and freeze. It was on OTA digital, OTA analog, and the uplink to DishNet.

I looked about 2 hours ago at a friend's house and saw the exact same thing. I can only speculate that this is why they keep taking down the digital feed...to try to fix whatever is causing all of this.

Keep in mind...after so many years of snubbing us and not caring about all of us who paid good $$$ for our HD setups, the new owners are acutally TRYING. They did a good job on the superbowl, let's hope they can get it right for the races next weekend. The SD content in between I could care less about :)

"What is the condition of your cable. Current either from a sat receiver or an amp produces heat from resistance and can break down a faulty cable and could explain while the signal drops(cable cold, signal okay...after on awhile, cable gets hot and becomes faulty.)

I have installed satellites in the past and have had to troubleshoot weak sat signals that were using old RG 59, the customer would have the same problem as yours. Checking the voltage on the cable with my meter would most always reveal a bad cable as the problem." *******************

First of all, we are talking about OTA and not satellite. I sure hope everyone is using RG6 instead of RG59 coax. Tell us more about this voltage on the coax. OTA is just a signal voltage and not enough to heat coax up. About the only heat would be from sunlight.

A satellite receiver will send 13 to 18 volts down the cable to the dish to power the LNB. If a diplexer is used to also feed an antenna the cable line will be passing the voltage and possibly degrade the signal of a faulty cable. I'm not sure what, if any power is passed through a cable/antenna amp.

I suggest we all drop a line to the new ownership at wjcl/wtgs thanking them for finally broadcasting HD OTA. Who knows? Maybe with the sheer volume of positive feedback, it will expedite wjcl getting hd up and running.

A satellite receiver will send 13 to 18 volts down the cable to the dish to power the LNB. If a diplexer is used to also feed an antenna the cable line will be passing the voltage and possibly degrade the signal of a faulty cable. I'm not sure what, if any power is passed through a cable/antenna amp.

I'm with Eddie39 there. Most likely there is 12v at least to power the antenna amp. And newer sats also use a constant 20v or 24v. The 'Antenna' side of a diplexor, however, does not pass any power, power is passed only to the satellite side. Which makes using diplexors with something like a CM7777 preamp pretty impossible ( unless you can provide power to the preamp feed AFTER the antenna cables breaks out of the outside diplexor ).

I suggest we all drop a line to the new ownership at wjcl/wtgs thanking them for finally broadcasting HD OTA. Who knows? Maybe with the sheer volume of positive feedback, it will expedite wjcl getting hd up and running.

Not a bad idea...but earlier in this thread...many, many, many pages ago, didn't I read that all the Fox affiliates were given the DT and HD equipment several years ago by the Fox network so they could broadcast the superbowl a few years ago? But WTGS owners never bothered installing it?

If that's the case, it explains why the new owners were able to get it up so quickly, and WJCL may still need to purchase that equipment, so it may still be a while. Which is fine with me..I get Chan 6.1 out of augusta if I really need to see anything on ABC in HD.

If that's the case, it explains why the new owners were able to get it up so quickly, and WJCL may still need to purchase that equipment, so it may still be a while. Which is fine with me..I get Chan 6.1 out of augusta if I really need to see anything on ABC in HD.I never heard you say that, or I missed it. I'm glad you're able to pick them up too. I may have missed this too, where exactly do you live (road wise)?

HL is not useing diplexers, in fact no one should, they reduce signal, can be a nightmare, and just a stupid shortcut when a run of RG-6 for OTA would save a lot of problems.

I never heard you say that, or I missed it. I'm glad you're able to pick them up too. I may have missed this too, where exactly do you live (road wise)?

I'm one highway down river from you :) You're 301 and Ogeechee River, I'm 24 and Ogeechee River :)

I'm one highway down river from you :) You're 301 and Ogeechee River, I'm 24 and Ogeechee River :)
Yea, now I do remember you saying that. :D

I was told today that we should expect ABC two weeks from last Thursday. If it doesnt happen, dont shoot me! :eek:

I am going to clean and load my gun. LOL

Looks like WTGS success is short lived... It has been going from full power to zero the past two nights and even the analog signal is freezing and the analog signal on our cable is freezing.

Looks like WTGS success is short lived... It has been going from full power to zero the past two nights and even the analog signal is freezing and the analog signal on our cable is freezing.

I talked with a charter tech to find out when charter would add them to their lineup. He told me when they are feeding from their analog side and not doing some right causing all the problems. It all boils down to a pick of equipment they trying to do without. Until they get the problem fixed charter would not add them.

I talked with a charter tech to find out when charter would add them to their lineup. He told me when they are feeding from their analog side and not doing some right causing all the problems. It all boils down to a pick of equipment they trying to do without. Until they get the problem fixed charter would not add them.
That confirms what I was told then about the analog deal. I posted that a few days before they went up with HD. Hey, if you cant do it right, dont do it.

I hope this gets fixed fast, the Bud Shootout was unwatchable last nigh in both SD and HD.

So far, today its fine.

Nevermind, mine started screwing up halfway through qualifying.

Back to standard def last night.

Man, I was looking forward to Terminator in HD when I got home from work this morning... Oh well - there'll be HD reruns! At least we know the equipment is there and it works...

Looking forward to seeing the Falcons new season in 8 or so months... Can you imagine how those ass whoopins will look in High Def? :)

American Idol was SD last night. Peanut Gallery: keep your snickers to yourselves. i just went on there to see if they were TX-ing HD or not.

It will be interesting to see the ABC affiliate TX HD. They do not have a digital channel TX-ing right now, at all, unless its really low power.

I'm glad that I waited to send my congratulatory letter to FOX.:rolleyes:

User name remains the same for now!

Still no HD? Damn, did they borrow the equipment from somebody? :(

Hope everything is up and running by Monday night...

It really would be nice if they had it fixed by the start of the 500 on Sunday

Even nicer if they'd post some sort of statement or response about what is going on. A lot of people here would probably be more understanding if they just communicated something.

What does it tell you when their website doesn't even have a contact link.

What does it tell you when their website doesn't even have a contact link.Do not try and contact us. :)

Yeah, these guys don't seem to be much better than the last owners...without even a contact link on the webpage..and it's not a very good webpage at all for that matter. IT's all about ABC...nothing about their FOX affiliate..except the news cast names..

customer disservice at its pinnacle. forget trying to get the talking heads to pass our gripes onto station management. they definitely dont want to pass anything negative to their bosses. they live in a fragile bubble industry and there are too many unemployed talking heads waiting in the wings to take their places. Byran92, i'm not even going to bother with the thanks letter as they have demonstrated the ability to tx HD, then yank it away from us. a-holes!

Well, I'm getting no signal from 28-1 right now... Hopefully they're actually working on the dang thing...

I am obviously new at this HDTV although I have been with Dish for 8 years and have had the PiV622DVR for over a year. I do not subscribe to Dish HD programming but my TV1 is HD.

How will I know if an OTA signal is HD?

I ran a cable out to my motorhome Saturday and am using the "batwing" antenna and have been getting 60 to 80 signals on 28-1. I recorded NASCAR on 28.0 and 28.1 on my Dish DVR on Sunday. There were minor picture problems a few times but no major dropouts. The signal on 28.1 was cloudy compared to 28.0. Will that clear up when I get a CM4228 up about 25 to 30 feet in a week or 2 or does Dish clean up the signal from FOX?

The 4228 will give you a better signal but picture will not get better till Fox 28 gets a HD signal out, Look at 3-1 and 11-1 tonight to see what HD looks like. This is what Fox should look when they get working.

Fox was on in SD about 9.30 last night now they have no signal

Some encouraging news regarding WVAN...

Current Plans and Equipment Needs for Station WVAN-DT. GPTC anticipates completion of Station WVAN-DT’s pre-transition DTV facilities by the end of May 2008. Because GPTC’s project is being designed as it progresses, GPTC continues to work toward finalizing its equipment needs and its plan for how to transition Station WVAN-DT from Channel 13, its pre-transition DTV channel, to Channel 9 on February 17, 2009. GPTC’s current plans are as follows:

Tower. GPTC is in the process of building a new tower at the Station WVAN transmitter site. The tower segments are on site and construction of the tower is scheduled to be completed in April 2008.


Antenna. GPTC plans to use the new antenna that will be installed for Station WVAN’s analog operations and pre-transition DTV operations on the new tower for post-transition operations on Channel 9. This antenna has been ordered and is ready for delivery upon completion of the tower. The precise delivery date will depend on the date when the new tower is completed. The tower company and the antenna manufacturer are coordinating delivery.


Transmitter. GPTC has purchased a new transmitter that has been delivered to the transmitter site and will be installed for Channel 13 operations. GPTC will retune the transmitter for post-transition operations on Channel 9. It anticipates that the retuning can be accomplished in a day or so.


Other Equipment Needs. GPTC has obtained a DTV mask filter for post-transition Channel 9 that will be installed prior to February 17, 2009. In addition, installation of the fiber optic system for delivery of programming from GPTC’s headquarters to Station WVAN is scheduled for the first half of February 2008.
http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getattachment_exh.cgi?exhibit_id=618719

Where is the transmitter site

Where is the transmitter site
Pembroke area.

It's essentially in downtown Pembroke, GA. It is located just off GA Highway 67 very near its intersection with US Highway 280. In fact, you can easily see the WVAN tower from US 280 in Pembroke.

GPTV is building a second tower immediately beside the current one according to their FCC filings. In fact, the two will be so close together that the filing says the FAA coordinates don't even need updating.

What is potentially very disappointing with the new WVAN-DT site is they elected to greatly reduce their ERP from 20 kW to only about 2 kW to avoid interference with other signals on channel 13. They did this I think to stay on 13. Their original application had 20 kW ERP for the digital signal.

Some encouraging news regarding WVAN...

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getattachment_exh.cgi?exhibit_id=618719

Most of you must have digital OTA. Luckily, I can now receive WVAN in digital via Comcast (it looks alright I suppose). As of today, all of Comcast's analog channels have been converted to digital. Surprisingly, WTGS's and WGSA's signal via Comcast look kind of good. The WGSA signal seems slightly better than OTA, even though it is admittedly darker.

Most of you must have digital OTA. Luckily, I can now receive WVAN in digital via Comcast (it looks alright I suppose). As of today, all of Comcast's analog channels have been converted to digital. Surprisingly, WTGS's and WGSA's signal via Comcast look kind of good. The WGSA signal seems slightly better than OTA, even though it is admittedly darker.Yea, that was the idea behind this thread. It doesn't take much effort to get a channel from a cable company. This thread has been extremely helpful to me and others who were trying their best to pick up these stations many years ago. When you can't get a signal from Savannah, then you do the things necessary on your roof to get these stations from other cities. In my case, ABC from Augusta. Jim seems to be the most knowledgeable about "how things work" in this area and has given us info time and time again that was helpful.

I don't say this to mean or whatever, but OTA reception was the basis for this thread. It really pisses those of us off who don't care one bit about cable, or again in my case, can't get it if I wanted it, to hear that everybody in Savannah can get it, but we cant. And to top it off, cable in Statesboro is in the same boat as us in that they get their signal OTA, then send it out to the subscribers.

Last year I spoke with the engineer from WVAN regarding TVGOS guide. WVAN included Beaufort Zip codes for the guide. I was told at that time they were having transmitter problems and were operating a very low power until their new transmitter arrived. At that time I contacted TVGOS and over a period of time got the TVGOS guide changed to zip 29906 from WJWJ. They would not change the rest of the zips. FCC shows their DT to be 316KW.

Yea, that was the idea behind this thread. It doesn't take much effort to get a channel from a cable company. This thread has been extremely helpful to me and others who were trying their best to pick up these stations many years ago. When you can't get a signal from Savannah, then you do the things necessary on your roof to get these stations from other cities. In my case, ABC from Augusta. Jim seems to be the most knowledgeable about "how things work" in this area and has given us info time and time again that was helpful.

I don't say this to mean or whatever, but OTA reception was the basis for this thread. It really pisses those of us off who don't care one bit about cable, or again in my case, can't get it if I wanted it, to hear that everybody in Savannah can get it, but we cant. And to top it off, cable in Statesboro is in the same boat as us in that they get their signal OTA, then send it out to the subscribers.

Oh, you owe me no explanation. However, the status of the Savannah market in terms of OTA digital is quite pathetic. This DMA can use a lot of work.

I was told today that we should expect ABC two weeks from last Thursday. If it doesnt happen, dont shoot me! :eek:

I'm not shooting at anyone, but have you heard anything else? (it's two weeks from that Thursday today)

I'm not shooting at anyone, but have you heard anything else? (it's two weeks from that Thursday today)Ha, yea, its on the way. That was assuming FOX stayed HD. I really wouldnt look for anything from them till......

According to an FCC filing of their's, WJCL's STA expires today (2/22/08). Although, I'm not really sure what that means exactly. Or even if it has anything to do with what you guys are talking about.

According to an FCC filing of their's, WJCL's STA expires today (2/22/08). Although, I'm not really sure what that means exactly. Or even if it has anything to do with what you guys are talking about.

FCC does explain STA's (Special Temporary Authority), From the generic description it does not sound like it has anything to do with HD. I tried including link, but for some reason it did not work. Here is how to get there:

FCC: Wireless Services: Local Television Transmission Service : Services: Special Temporary Authority (STA)

Right, but I didn't know if the expiration of JCL's temp authority meant they'd lose the right to broadcast in digital by the 22nd, or if they had to (or even could) apply for an extension. From looking at their filings, they've applied for A LOT of extensions over the past few years, although STA extensions are supposed to be both frowned upon by the FCC as well as difficult to get.

This was all assuming that WJCL didn't already broadcast in digital. But apparently they do. Must be a signal with all the strength of 28.1 before it was boosted last fall.

Anyone ever get into contact with the new JCL/TGS owners? Ever find any contact info? Or did they read this thread and decide not to post any contact info? ;)

I mean, I can't really stay too terribly mad at them...they DID let us watch the superbowl in HD...although I'd really like to have seen Daytona too. At least they made an attempt. That's more than we got from the last owners. I wonder if they used that equipment supposedly given to fox affiliates for the superbowl a few years ago?

Anyone close to Wilmington Island who is getting Charleston ABC and FOX on OTA?
If so, I would like antenna details.
Thanks

Need some info from all the readers on here I was helping out someone with getting OTA digitals, the bad thing about the TV was they have no way to add a digital channel other than a full ch scan, which takes 5 min. This make it hard to adjust the ant for best direction. I have an old Sami 151 (2003) with it I can just enter the DTV ch and it locks in if it has a signal, or I can move ant. to find signal. My dish 622 will let me add a ch with out doing a full scan. I would like to know it your TV will let you add a digital ch without doing a full scan.

WJCL has requested an STA extension for their low power digital transmission...

NVT THEREFORE REQUESTS AN EXTENSION OF ITS STA TO PROVIDE IT TIME TO PREPARE AND FILE, AS REQUIRED BY THE ORDER, A FORM 301 APPLICATION TO MODIFY ITS CONSTRUCTION PERMIT TO OPERATE REDUCED PRE-TRANSITION DIGITAL FACILITIES FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE TRANSITION PERIOD.http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101235502&formid=911&fac_num=37174

If I'm reading this correctly, if this request is granted we can officially give up any hope of OTA reception of ABC-HD until February 18, 2009. If anyone disagrees this interpretation, please do so. I'd love to be wrong here.



BTW, oljim, I'm in the same boat as your friend regarding the necessity of scanning for channels. Sorry.

I hope when all stations shut down their analog transmitters next year they move their antennas to the top slot instead leaving them piggybacked on the side of the tower. This would improve the signal.

teesee, remember, its a waiver for their "digital" transmission. By february of next year, they will have to tx digital, but not necessarily HD. Just to clarify.

I realize that, Brian. It's just that a digital broadcast is the first step before HD is possible. And an analog-only channel finally getting a digital transmission online is a far bigger deal than it should be, considering how slow Savannah area broadcasters have been in entering the 21st century.

Is there an up to date list of what channels are available through clear QAM on Comcast? I've tried looking back in this thread but it doesn't seem there's anything that sums it up! Thanks!

The local ABC affiliate had a digital broadcast of their analog feed, i'd say, as late as a year and a half ago, then it just went away. since the local affiliate will have to purchase the HD equipment to broadcast it (fox network gave WTGS the equipment from what i know), we may NEVER see HD on ABC-22.

Almost all the QAM channels are blocked now. It force me to go through Comcast to get back all the channels. I think you can still get CBS, NBC and Fox and maybe one other.

Brian... IMHO, The chances of WJCL never going HD are the same as any TV station in this country still broadcasting in black and white.

Whoa, don't say that. Don't give them any ideas!

"Hmmmm, would any viewers notice if we dropped the signal down to B&W? Who cares! Flip the switch!!"

WHAT signal LOL

Has anyone thought of involving the local Paper (Savannah Morning Snooze) into possibly writing a story on the WJCL's outright refusal to tx a digital signal? To me, it seems the media will protect their own, meaning no story. Unless of course an individual did something really terrible. I've never understood such comradery, must be mutually beneficial.

Now up on the coastal source.

http://www.thecoastalsource.com/dtv :rolleyes:

http://www.thecoastalsource.com/contact :D

Just left a message with the engineering department at WJCL... and sent an email...

I took advantage of the link and sent an email. THe response i got is below:

The equipment we used for the Super Bowl was temporary rental equipment. However, the final equipment we need for both stations should arrive by next week. We hope to have both stations in HD within three weeks or less.

14 April. Okey dokey.

Bryan if both stations are up and running with HD by 14 April (2008) I will buy you lunch LOL

Bryan if both stations are up and running with HD by 14 April (2008) I will buy you lunch LOLThanks for putting the year in there, I completely omitted that. :D

Hey, I will even drive over and collect on that deal!

I think there is progress for WJCL in HD, on QAM channel 90-1 has the sound of the HD signal but a weird picture shows up, the info tells me its 720p, so maybe they're almost there.

I helped a buddy with his new TV the other day and it had this QAM thingy. Can one of y'all explain what that is in laymen terms. I understand it has something to do with cable, but beyond that I am lost.

"A QAM tuner is a device present in some digital televisions and similar devices which enables direct reception of digital cable channels without the use of a set-top box. QAM stands for "quadrature amplitude modulation," the format by which digital cable channels are encoded and transmitted via cable."

There's a good (and relatively non-technical) description here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAM_tuner

90-1 on QAM is the ABCHD channel, for now - there is picture and sound, it might not be OTA yet, just like FOX started out on QAM then went OTA.

"A QAM tuner is a device present in some digital televisions and similar devices which enables direct reception of digital cable channels without the use of a set-top box. QAM stands for "quadrature amplitude modulation," the format by which digital cable channels are encoded and transmitted via cable."

There's a good (and relatively non-technical) description here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAM_tuner
Yea, I read that. I must have not got into the menu good because I ended up hooking his cable box back up. I found the portion which scanned for digital ota (which he does not have)channels, but I never could get all his digital cable channels to come in (no HD).

Bryan if it is like the one I have, you select cable before you scan, that will make it use the QAM tuner. My new Pio 5080 has all 3 tuners

Yea, this one too. I will have to go back out and play around with it and make it work for him. Hey, if he subscribes to Statesboros HD package, will he still be able to get those without the cable box?

Not sure, but he should get the local networks without the box. You could split the cable and feed the box and TV .

I stopped using QAM because most of the channels that used to be broadcast (ESPN, TNT, etc) went away. Have any of these come back or is it just the four Network channels?

Golf/VS.HD is on 89-1, and there is still ondemand from 92,93,94,100
Starz and Encore are on 99-1 to 99-11

I checked my Comcast Channel Guide today and saw WJCL-HD (ABC) on 431!

It isn't ready and fully up and running yet, but it was added!

Also, according to BravesonComcast.com, HD Channel 402 will have all of the Peachtree TV/CSS games in Savannah.

Though 402 isn't up yet, I e-mailed Comcast about that channel and am awaiting their response.

104-1 on QAM is broadcasting the Braves game in 1080i HD!

Suki, which Qam tuner did you use to see the Starz/Encore channels on 99-1 through -10? I've never seen anything on those channels. Also, if anyone knows offhand which channels show the special pay per view events (boxing, wrestling, etc), gracias.

thanks to all for the updates on the other QAM channels.

samsung h260f, type in the #'s and wait it should show up.
ABCHD is on 104-5 on QAM - i'm watching The View in HD!
It looks PERFECT!
you can't get payperview only ondemand movies and shows

samsung h260f, type in the #'s and wait it should show up.
ABCHD is on 104-5 on QAM - i'm watching The View in HD!
It looks PERFECT!
you can't get payperview only ondemand movies and shows


I am guessing you do not know if ABC is broadcasting OTA?

probably not, like what FOX did before going OTA, they were on QAM first

probably not, like what FOX did before going OTA, they were on QAM first


Thanks! Another question...apparently my Samsung LNT4661 has a qam tuner. Anyone know how I would access it? I do have a OTA antenna hooked up directly to the TV and I receive all of the available OTA channels.

probably not, like what FOX did before going OTA, they were on QAM firstAnd they are still not ota. They got 13 days. Oh, then what am I am going to do? Complain some more, I guess. :eek:

when you auto program it select IRC on the digital option, it should do the trick

when you auto program it select IRC on the digital option, it should do the trick


I just tried it and it did not pick up any channels.:confused:

try it on analog, then try HRC on both its gotta eventually work, if it works it should tell you it found 400+ channels like mine, but only 40+ are actually real channels

when you auto program it select IRC on the digital option, it should do the trick

That was what i was looking for. I was using the standard on the digital option. Thanks,

NHL Center Ice, and MLB Extra Innings are on 80-1 - 80-15

I heard today that it will be closer to the end of April before we see ABC and FOX (OTA). Not that it makes that much difference I guess.

WJCL-HD isn't HD on Comcast. I tuned into Dancing with the Stars last night, but it wasn't in HD.

WJCL - 431 has been showing crazy stuff all day, looks like they are tuning up an HD signal. I've got my fingers crossed!

and, 10 minutes later, we have HD!! woohoo!!! :)

LOST finally looks the way it should! WJCL actually did something right.

I find this odd, but ABCHD started showing a show at 11:00pm and not the news - does that make sense?

Sounds like WJCL is feeding ABC-HD right off the satellite without injecting their own material...

You referenced the test feed they have when no programming is being shown, I'm assuming it's the one with the various tests (the snapping board, the HD images of pre-9/11 New York, other assorted oddities).

- Trip

They're back to the test feed this morning. They have a speaker test (channel ID sequence), a fake news story about banana terrorism, a crazy trippy screen that comes up after that, and an ABC NY HD multicolor bar, from what I've seen. Actually, they just kicked the local news on while I was typing this...

I am really hoping this is not another case of only Comcast gets it in HD, like FOX is currently.:(

I seemed to have lost the ABCHD station 104-5,and it is not there anymore - did this happen to anyone else?

Does anyone know how to watch Braves games that are on Sportssouth HD?

I have comcast and they just added 402 for the Peachtree TV HD games on CSS. 401 is for the FSN games and I already have TBS and ESPN HD.

THere are a bulk of games on Sportssouth this year, but COmcast doesn't seem to offer the HD channel of Sportssouth.

It was the FSN channel last year, so it should still be even if its not listed on Comcast's tv listings.

DirecTV maintains a page for Local TV station affiliates to find the nearest Local Receive Facility (LRF). These are the locations where local TV signals are sent for uplink to DirecTV. Today I see where Savannah is now listed as having both a Standard Definition (SD) LRF and a HD LRF. Maybe Savannah locals will be one of the new markets put up this year on DirecTV's new D11 satellite that is being positioned and tested in orbit now.

Here is the link to the DirecTV LRF listing. Scroll on down near the bottom to see the Savannah listing. The HD LRF address is given as 1430 East Victory Drive. The SD LRF address is 11 The News Place.

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPage.jsp?assetId=P1400108

I am using a home made (youtube) antenna about 20' high fed into the OTA of my ViP922. I got on the roof and rotated the antenna until I got the best signal aiming between 3-1 and 28-1.
I get:
3-1 & 3-2 at 100
I get nothing for 11-1 or 22-1
34-1 at 90-95
28-1 at 64-75. I get a solid picture but it looks faded, somewhere between color and B&W. There are a lot of NASCAR races on FOX and I would like to record them.
I know my antenna is not the greatest, especially since it does not have a reflector. I should have a professional antenna, but it is not a good time to get one.
Is FOX OTA the same for everyone in the Savannah area?
Thanks, Don

28-1 at 64-75. I get a solid picture but it looks faded, somewhere between color and B&W.Are you sure it's not 28.0 you're looking at? You shouldn't have any kind of fade in a digital picture, even with a poor signal. You either get a perfect picture (relative to what is broadcast, that is) or no picture at all. There's no in-between with digital broadcasting. It's all or nothing. You should be able to get a lock with 64-75 percent signal strength, although I'd try for something better for a little insurance.

My numbers are:

WSAV: pegged at 100%
WTOC: mid 80's to low 90's
WJCL: nothing... crickets...
WTGS: 80's
WGSA: low to mid 90's

(WJCL-DT is VERY low power right now. It looks like Comcast is the only way to get ABC digital for people in Savannah who don't invest in the equipment to pull in Charleston, Augusta or Jacksonville).

WTOC has always been tricky for me to get. The transmitter is supposed to be very near WSAV's, which I've always been able to get with no problem, even with a tiny indoor set-top antenna, but I needed to put an outdoor antenna up at least 35 feet before getting anything at all from WTOC. I would definitely suggest getting some more height on your antenna if you want to get 11.1. The more height, the better.

BTW, 28.1 is not broadcasting in HD at this time, although the previously posted email would indicate that it won't be long. But who knows...?

DirecTV maintains a page for Local TV station affiliates to find the nearest Local Receive Facility (LRF). These are the locations where local TV signals are sent for uplink to DirecTV. Today I see where Savannah is now listed as having both a Standard Definition (SD) LRF and a HD LRF. Maybe Savannah locals will be one of the new markets put up this year on DirecTV's new D11 satellite that is being positioned and tested in orbit now.
That sounds like a VERY good sign. :cool:

Are you sure it's not 28.0 you're looking at? You shouldn't have any kind of fade in a digital picture, even with a poor signal. You either get a perfect picture (relative to what is broadcast, that is) or no picture at all. There's no in-between with digital broadcasting. It's all or nothing. You should be able to get a lock with 64-75 percent signal strength, although I'd try for something better for a little insurance.

My numbers are:

WSAV: pegged at 100%
WTOC: mid 80's to low 90's
WJCL: nothing... crickets...
WTGS: 80's
WGSA: low to mid 90's

(WJCL-DT is VERY low power right now. It looks like Comcast is the only way to get ABC digital for people in Savannah who don't invest in the equipment to pull in Charleston, Augusta or Jacksonville).

WTOC has always been tricky for me to get. The transmitter is supposed to be very near WSAV's, which I've always been able to get with no problem, even with a tiny indoor set-top antenna, but I needed to put an outdoor antenna up at least 35 feet before getting anything at all from WTOC. I would definitely suggest getting some more height on your antenna if you want to get 11.1. The more height, the better.

BTW, 28.1 is not broadcasting in HD at this time, although the previously posted email would indicate that it won't be long. But who knows...?

Hello, I'm in Statesboro and this is my first experience with OTA HD and Digital signals.

I purchased the 50-2197 HD Antenna from Radio Shack and installed it in my attic. I can receive:

NBC HD and Digital channels from Augusta (26.1, 26.2 (CW)) Dolby Digital 2.0
Savannah (3.1, 3.2) Dolby Digital 5.1
ABC out of Augusta (6.1, 6.2) Dolby Digital 5.1
CBS from Savannah (11.2, 11.2, 11.3) Dolby Digital 5.1
CBS from Augusta (12.1, 12.2, 12.3 Digital 2.0
Fox from Savannah (28.1) Digital Only
WGSA out of Baxley (34.1) Digital Only


Yesterday out of nowhere, 16 additional channels coming from Charleston, and Augusta came in after a scan on my TV.

Today I repositioned my attenna in the attic to see if I can get these channels again, I also purchased an Amplifier and installed some shorter cables to reduce the distance between the Antenna and my TV connection and this helped somewhat. I now get a strong 90 for the ABC HD channel coming from Augusta.


Those additional channels from Charleston and Augusta are now gone but I'm considering upgrading to a Channel Master 4228 and maybe the Amplifier 7777 as well. I wish I could atleast get one PBS station and Fox in HD from Augusta (24.1) and I'd be happy, but it was a no go today. I completely lost Fox out of Savannah, and I could care less because it's not in HD, and I have Direct TV to view that station anyway. Same goes for WJCL, for I can get a clear signal from Augusta for ABC HD.


Anyone in my area have good results with the Channel Master 4228, 7777 Amplifier combo?

Originally Posted by nospmahm
28-1 at 64-75. I get a solid picture but it looks faded, somewhere between color and B&W.
TeeSee,
I used the term "faded" in error, I don't know the correct terminology (faded as opposed to fading). I am not getting pixelation so it is a solid digital signal. Compared with my Dish channel 28 it looks like 28.1 is overexposed/ bleached out/over washed/lost color (faded).

I understand what you are describing in regards to Fox 28. Direct TV, OTA Digital, OTA Analog, an attempt to watch a show such as Family Guy is unbearable. Very bright images as if the brightness was turned all the way up. But when the channel goes "National" the shows look normal. I only see this Brightness issue when local programming occurs.

I really don't understand why ABCHD is on now - The View - but not on the weekend. I wanted to see NBA in HD, but it wasn't there. Are they not working on the weekend?

Thanks Groove93,
You got it right. Unfortunately one of the shows I record Friday nights is Cantebury's Law which comes on when I want to record NASCAR. I guess it is better to record and watch 1 hour of C. L. than 6 hours of racing stuff much too bright.
Don

Originally Posted by nospmahm
28-1 at 64-75. I get a solid picture but it looks faded, somewhere between color and B&W.
TeeSee,
I used the term "faded" in error, I don't know the correct terminology (faded as opposed to fading). I am not getting pixelation so it is a solid digital signal. Compared with my Dish channel 28 it looks like 28.1 is overexposed/ bleached out/over washed/lost color (faded).
I see what you're saying. On my TV, 28.1 looks similar to what you describe. Their analog channel looks better on both DirecTV and OTA.

I really don't understand why ABCHD is on now - The View - but not on the weekend. I wanted to see NBA in HD, but it wasn't there. Are they not working on the weekend?

Are you receiving WJCL in HD or is it another affiliate? I can only receive WJBF HD out of Augusta.

I was talking about station 104-5 on QAM in Sav., which is WJCL in HD, it just started last week. Somebody said April 14 for WJCL OTA but I still doubt that.

I was talking about station 104-5 on QAM in Sav., which is WJCL in HD, it just started last week. Somebody said April 14 for WJCL OTA but I still doubt that.


I still can't figure out how to tune QAM channels in. I've tried doing the auto-program every way possible.

What TV or STB do you have - its usually IRC search, it might not be able to pick up the channels depending on how old it is.

What TV or STB do you have - its usually IRC search, it might not be able to pick up the channels depending on how old it is.


It is 4 month old Samsung LNT4661(my box is a D* HR20)

It is 4 month old Samsung LNT4661(my box is a D* HR20)

Do you have cable?

If you do not have a cable connection, you will not be able to use the QAM function on your TV.

If you do not have a cable connection, you will not be able to use the QAM function on your TV.


ding, ding, ding! The light bulb has turned on, thanks guys I can now wait in peace unitl the signal goes OTA:)

Disney HD, ABC Family HD, and Science HD were added over the last few days.

I saw some Mickey Mouse show in HD the other morning on Disney HD, but so far all of the movies shown on ABC Family HD (my greek weeding) haven't been in HD. Haven't seen any real HD programming on there yet. Science HD has shown alot of HD programming.

Still awaiting FX-HD and Spike TV HD.

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BTW, Harry Potter was shown in HD Saturday night on ABC-HD, and so was Sunday's basketball games.

Last time this happened, we got the Superbowl in HD. I noticed this morning (been gone on vacation ) that we're back to 4:3 on Fox with a more clear picture like we did just before the Superbowl. Probably means nothing, but...

Well, I was slightly hopeful we would get HD on one of the channels today but it is not looking good. Has anyone heard any news recently?

Yeah I did a quick scan and did not pick up any new channels. I even tried 27.3 which is Fox 28 in Digital and it was still at 480i.

If I can somehow get 24.1 which is Fox in Augusta, then I'm straight because I already have ABC HD coming out of Augusta.

If you do not have a cable connection, you will not be able to use the QAM function on your TV.
This is not the case for the newer Samsung TVs. I have a LN5271. I use a signal splitter. I send one signal to my Cable Box and the other to antenna2(cable) input. This set has two antenna inputs, one for OTA and one for the cable. I use a HDMI cable to connect the Cable Box to the TV. From my TV, I can select either the HDMI input or the antenna(cable) as the input. When I use the antenna(cable) as the input I can do an autoscan and get all the QAM channels.
I can choose to watch the QAM channels or the Cable channels. I mostly watch the Cable channels(Comcast).

Yeah I did a quick scan and did not pick up any new channels. I even tried 27.3 which is Fox 28 in Digital and it was still at 480i.

If I can somehow get 24.1 which is Fox in Augusta, then I'm straight because I already have ABC HD coming out of Augusta.They've been at low power for years. I don't see us picking them up before you know who gets their *&^% together. I'm about 55 miles from their tower and I get them on rare occasions and only keep a signal for a few minutes.

Bryan if both stations are up and running with HD by 14 April (2008) I will buy you lunch LOL

Bryan looks like I am safe on this one LOL

FOX 28.1 is broadcasting in 720p at the moment, let's hope it is for good this time:)

FOX 28.1 is broadcasting in 720p at the moment, let's hope it is for good this time:)

Yep, I just checked!!! Dolby Digital 2.0 so far. 27.3 is HD as well.

Man, this is like Verizon testing EVDO in Statesboro, flip the switch already!!

lol

Yep, I just checked!!! Dolby Digital 2.0 so far. 27.3 is HD as well.

Man, this is like Verizon testing EVDO in Statesboro, flip the switch already!!

lol


I am unable to pick up 27-3 on either TV. One is hooked up through the DirecTV H20 and the other is straight into my TV.

Edit: I can actually get the H20 to show a signal strength on 27-3 but it says channel unavailable when I try to tune into it, strange.

I am unable to pick up 27-3 on either TV. One is hooked up through the DirecTV H20 and the other is straight into my TV.

Edit: I can actually get the H20 to show a signal strength on 27-3 but it says channel unavailable when I try to tune into it, strange.

Really, I'm getting between 89 to 92 signal strength on that channel and you're much much closer. It really shouldn't matter because it's the same signal as 28.1.

Really, I'm getting between 89 to 92 signal strength on that channel and you're much much closer. It really shouldn't matter because it's the same signal as 28.1.



It does not make sense to me either. I'm getting a strong signal on 28.1 but nothing on 27.3 no matter how many times I scan.

It does not make sense to me either. I'm getting a strong signal on 28.1 but nothing on 27.3 no matter how many times I scan.

I was never able to scan this channel, I discovered it in an earlier post of this thread. I manually dialed it in and it came through.

Bryan looks like I am safe on this one LOLThe wierd thing is I pulled that date out my $%^. He said two weeks in the email and I gave it an extra week, DAMN! :D

Are both of you guys pulling it in with your antenna straight to your TV or are you using a box like the H20?

Are both of you guys pulling it in with your antenna straight to your TV or are you using a box like the H20?

OTA antenna. I also manually dialed in 39.1 NBC 1080i but there's no information. I'm assuming it's WSAV because it's DD 5.1 and the affiliate in Augusta is only 2.0

Edit, it is infact WSAV because I manually entered 39.2 and I'm getting the digital equivalent of 3.2

another edit, 42.1 and 42.2 WJBF out of Augusta which is the equivalent of 6.1, 6.2 (scanned channels)

OTA antenna. I also manually dialed in 39.1 NBC 1080i but there's no information. I'm assuming it's WSAV because it's DD 5.1 and the affiliate in Augusta is only 2.0

Edit, it is infact WSAV because I manually entered 39.2 and I'm getting the digital equivalent of 3.2

Hmmm...this makes no sense. I have even tried two different antennas, pointed them every way possible and am still unable to pick it up.

No HD on FOX OTA or QAM - what gives?

Hmmm...this makes no sense. I have even tried two different antennas, pointed them every way possible and am still unable to pick it up.

I don't understand it. And you're between Jacksonville and Charleston.

I have a question, are you able to pick up any PBS channels? I can't get any from any market.

I don't understand it. And you're between Jacksonville and Charleston.

I have a question, are you able to pick up any PBS channels? I can't get any from any market.


Nope, I believe the PBS station here in Savannah/Pembroke will go HD some time this summer.

Nope, I believe the PBS station here in Savannah/Pembroke will go HD some time this summer.

Ok, thanks. About two weeks ago, out of nowhere I started picking up PBS stations from Columbia and Charleston, but they are gone now.

The PBS station out of South Carolina (channel 16) comes in pretty well for me. I don't receive it most of the time, but I have a directional antenna pointed pretty much in the opposite direction. It's a wonder I can EVER pull it in with that setup.

But that station claims Savannah as part of it's home viewing area, despite being over 40 miles away from my midtown location. And it's in DirecTV's lineup of Savannah locals, albeit as a "secondary local". We should be able to receive it OTA, most of the time.

The PBS station out of South Carolina (channel 16) comes in pretty well for me. I don't receive it most of the time, but I have a directional antenna pointed pretty much in the opposite direction. It's a wonder I can EVER pull it in with that setup.

But that station claims Savannah as part of it's home viewing area, despite being over 40 miles away from my midtown location. And it's in DirecTV's lineup of Savannah locals, albeit as a "secondary local". We should be able to receive it OTA, most of the time.

I was able to lock into 16.1, .2, and .3 (HD) a few weeks back. 7.1, 2, and 3, 14.1, 2, 3, and I believe 17.1, 2, and 3 are PBS stations I believe coming from South Carolina as well.


Have you guys used the Tower Data that can be imported into Google Earth? I imported data from Savannah and Augusta and my antenna isn't pointed near any of the available towers. My attenna is pointed north east and this is how I'm able to get the Augusta stations. The Savannah signals come in strong no matter where I point my antenna. I'll have to check to see if there are any updates, these files range between 25 to 60 megs.

I was able to lock into 16.1, .2, and .3 (HD) a few weeks back. 7.1, 2, and 3, 14.1, 2, 3, and I believe 17.1, 2, and 3 are PBS stations I believe coming from South Carolina as well.


Have you guys used the Tower Data that can be imported into Google Earth? I imported data from Savannah and Augusta and my antenna isn't pointed near any of the available towers. My attenna is pointed north east and this is how I'm able to get the Augusta stations. The Savannah signals come in strong no matter where I point my antenna. I'll have to check to see if there are any updates, these files range between 25 to 60 megs.

Charleston has PBS on 7.1.2.3 HD and Jax FL also has PBS on 7.1/2/3/4
PBS in Beaufort is 16.1/2/3HD DTV ch 44 the tower is 18 miles n of Beaufort at Whitehall off US 17

Hmmm...this makes no sense. I have even tried two different antennas, pointed them every way possible and am still unable to pick it up.

What antennas did you try?

I can not figure why you would try 27.3 Fox 28 is on DTV 27 and it will remap to 28.1 no such thing as 27.3, Wsav is DTV 39 remap to 3.1/3.2 WTOC is on DTV 15 remaps to 11./11.2/11.3 If you can get a signal from any of the stations they will or should show up as NBC 3.1/3.2 CBS 11.1/11.2/11.3 FOX 28.1 CW is 34.1 if you are in the parking lot of WJCL you may pick up 22.1 DTV 23

Because the physical signal is on 27.3, even if it remaps to 28-1. Physically speaking, it transmits on channel 27, and the first video stream is at the .3 address.

PSIP then comes along and tells your receiver, "Look, when oljim goes to 28-1, look for the signal on 27.3." Your tuner shows you 28-1, even though the signal itself is located on 27.3.

- Trip

What antennas did you try?

Since I am in Pooler both of my antennas are indoor. One is a DB2 and the other is a Terk that is very common. I have never had any problems picking up 3.1, 11.1, 28.1 or 34.1

I watched AI tonight and it looked fabulous. I will keep my eye on the forum for when WJCL goes OTA HD. It's much easier than rescanning the TV. Also, would someone please post when the channels scan on the HR20.

it good to see lots of dialogue going on lately on this forum.

I watched AI tonight and it looked fabulous. I will keep my eye on the forum for when WJCL goes OTA HD. It's much easier than rescanning the TV. Also, would someone please post when the channels scan on the HR20.Just to let you know, just scanned for WJCL and that'd be a negative as of now. ;)

Just to let you know, just scanned for WJCL and that'd be a negative as of now. ;)


Hopefully they will get 28.1 in the guide shortly so I can start recording on the HR20, I'm hating these commercials.

Bryan you can get WJCL but you need a big antenna and be in the parking lot not more that 50 ft away LOL

WMUM DT 7.1 (actual channel is 7) is "On the Air"...!!!
I don't know how long it's been live, as I haven't checked it in 3-4 days, but it's there and it's Booming. The tower is in Cochran, Georgia. Maybe you Coastal Georgians can get it, give it a try. Good Luck!

Congratulations WMUM and GPB...!!!!!

South Carolina PBS channels 14.1,2,3HD came back on my display. Signal Strength of 67, but I don't know how long it will last.

Looks like more accurate Banner information is available for GSA TV 34.1.

I'm also noticing that some affiliates have more accurate information about the programming they are showing. For example for Conan O'Brian aired on WSAV, the banner displays "Late Night With Conan O'Brian: Interviews and Comedy Sketches", whereas WAGT out of Augusta displays "Late Night with Conan O'Brian: Martin Short, Ray Allen, and the Kooks".

WMUM DT 7.1 (actual channel is 7) is "On the Air"...!!!
I don't know how long it's been live, as I haven't checked it in 3-4 days, but it's there and it's Booming. The tower is in Cochran, Georgia. Maybe you Coastal Georgians can get it, give it a try. Good Luck!

Congratulations WMUM and GPB...!!!!!

That's one of the channels that kicked in on my display during the Final Four weekend. Haven't been able to receive since then.

Hopefully they will get 28.1 in the guide shortly so I can start recording on the HR20, I'm hating these commercials.
Is 28.1 showing HD content again (OTA)? I hardly ever watch that channel.

Is 28.1 showing HD content again (OTA)? I hardly ever watch that channel.


Yes, it has been since Tue or Wed

Bryan you can get WJCL but you need a big antenna and be in the parking lot not more that 50 ft away LOL;)

They (whoever) shouldn't have gone out of their way!

Will we, those not living in the parking lot on Abercorn :D , get ABC before May 1st?

I have nothing to offer as a prize, just asking. :)

Will we, those not living in the parking lot on Abercorn :D , get ABC before May 1st?

I have nothing to offer as a prize, just asking. :)

I would guess......... NO

I just did a scan and picked up 34.2 in 1080i. I guess I will see at 8pm if we are finally getting the CW in HD.



Nope, Smackdown is not in HD

Nope, Smackdown is not in HDIt was tonight, don't know about channel 34, but I can get CW in Atlanta on WUPA channel 43.1 (69 analog), and although I don't watch Wrestling, while I was channel surfing (waiting for Battlestar Galactica) it was on in HD. Maybe this is the first time, I wouldn't know as I don't watch it, but it was definately on in HD tonight...!!

[QUOTE=rjknyy;13730807]I just did a scan and picked up 34.2 in 1080i.


Looks like 34-2 might be the CW Plus, outside of the CW programs the channels (34-1 & 34-2) have different programming.


Looks like WTGS's signal strength has decreased on both analog and 28-1.

If that's the case, look for the two to get flipped. CW+ is not offered in HD.

- Trip

Good signal on 34-2 but anyone getting a EPG, no listing from TV on 34-2

If that's the case, look for the two to get flipped. CW+ is not offered in HD.

- Trip

I Have the CW+ on (IPTV) through the local phone company and it's showing the identical programming including commercials as 34-2.

What I'm saying is, look for the main feed to go HD and the CW+ feed to go SD. CW+ is not offered in HD, while the regular CW network is.

- Trip

I get 34.1 and 34.2 OTA they have differant program on 34.1 than 34.2 right now

Any one with directv or dishnetwork HD DVR get EPG for 34.2 ?

No EPG on my 622DVR for 34-2 this AM.

It has been about two weeks since 28.1 has been back in HD, I wonder how much longer until it shows up on the H20 and HR20?

No EPG info here either (DirecTV HR20) for 34-2. Of course, it's been a good six months since 28.1 went full power and my receiver still doesn't know that channel exists.

What I'm saying is, look for the main feed to go HD and the CW+ feed to go SD. CW+ is not offered in HD, while the regular CW network is.

- TripSo they've been showing CW+ on 34.1 all this time? What's the difference between the two (besides the HD and SD difference)?

So they've been showing CW+ on 34.1 all this time? What's the difference between the two (besides the HD and SD difference)?

CW+ comes with syndicated programming already included. Local stations only have to add advertising, they don't have to come up with programming.

Regular CW stations acquire their own programming for non-network hours.

- Trip

Tallledaga is my favorite race track for "Cup" races but FOX really made the viewing terrible yesterday.
I recorded both 28.1 (OTA with 60 to 64 signal) and 28 (local channel for Dish) simultaneously on my 622 DVR yesterday. I waited about 2 hours to watch (I hate commercials), at first the OTA 28.1 was 16:9 and fantastic, local channel 28 was 4:3 and really bad PQ. I went back to OTA for some real enjoyment only to find it was frequently switching from beautiful 16:9 to horrible 4:3with "lost signal" drops. I finally gave up and went back to Dish local channel 28, the PQ was so bad I had a hard time reading the numbers on the cars even on my 56" Samsung!

My novice conclusion is FOX's digital OTA signal was switching from HD to SD due to equipment failure. I admit I don't have a good OTA antenna yet but I don't see how a signal of 60 to 64 would cause these results.

Not sure what was going on, I recorded the race from Fox 24 (Charleston) but did see FOX 28.1 was HD some times ,SD sometimes. Sure luckey I did not record from Fox 28, the SD was very poor. I get signal of 95-100 on Fox 24 and had same thing you did.

Hmmm....that is interesting. I watched almost the entire race on OTA 28.1 and did not have one blip or drop out. Actually, I thought it looked great.

Perhaps their signal was strong in Pooler but on the edge for Wilmington Island and Beuford. The FOX Engineer who lives near the tower was probably thrilled with the signal and bragged to all his friends.
If fluctuations were caused by a weak signal why did it switch between HD and SD?
I don't understand this newfangled video stuff.

Perhaps their signal was strong in Pooler but on the edge for Wilmington Island and Beuford. The FOX Engineer who lives near the tower was probably thrilled with the signal and bragged to all his friends.
If fluctuations were caused by a weak signal why did it switch between HD and SD?
I don't understand this newfangled video stuff.

Good question, the time I watched 28.1 it did not drop out, it would go from SD to HD and back. I did not stay on 28.1 long, but did see the crappy SD and went back to Fox 24. My TV has PIP and had 24.1 and 28.1 at same time, 24.1 was always good HD, 28.1 was HD-SD-HD Signal on 24.1 was less but no problems with changing back to SD and neather had drop outs.

Hmmm....that is interesting. I watched almost the entire race on OTA 28.1 and did not have one blip or drop out. Actually, I thought it looked great.

Yes, agreed. Picture was awesome the whole race. This is tuning in to the race via my H20, not using the LNA built into my Samsung (which does make a dramatic difference vs the H20 OTA tuner). I am in pooh-ler as my handle clearly states, so take my experience for what its worth.

Perhaps their signal was strong in Pooler but on the edge for Wilmington Island and Beuford. The FOX Engineer who lives near the tower was probably thrilled with the signal and bragged to all his friends.
If fluctuations were caused by a weak signal why did it switch between HD and SD?
I don't understand this newfangled video stuff.

The signal was always HD for me, but what they put on it downconverted to SD when they showed local commercials (which was way too often). It did go back to HD and stayed there during the race though. Same thing happens on American Idol.

Yes, agreed. Picture was awesome the whole race. This is tuning in to the race via my H20, not using the LNA built into my Samsung (which does make a dramatic difference vs the H20 OTA tuner). I am in pooh-ler as my handle clearly states, so take my experience for what its worth.

Brian, is your H20 still showing "Regular Schedule" in your guide for 28.1?

My amatuer opinion is I need a better antenna to get FOX in HD. Anyone disagree?
Maybe I'll be lucky and I'll get WJCL since it and WTGS are only 2 degrees apart from Wilmington Island. Some of the races are on ABC and the local ABC on Dish sucks.

My amatuer opinion is I need a better antenna to get FOX in HD. Anyone disagree?
Maybe I'll be lucky and I'll get WJCL since it and WTGS are only 2 degrees apart from Wilmington Island. Some of the races are on ABC and the local ABC on Dish sucks.

I would say a better ant would give a stronger signal, but if you signal is steady with no dropout you will get HD if they are sending out a hd signal.
Both ABC and FOX are new to ditigal so I think they are still playen with stuff.
We should all hit WGSA with emails to get info on listings for 34.2 info@wsga.com
My TV has the crappy TV guide TVGOS no listings for 34.2 or 16.1/2/3 but does list stations 150 miles away. Same with my Dish HD DVR I can tune in 34.2 and 16.3 PBS HD but get no EPG. No problem with 28.1 EPG

CW 34.2 and CW 26.2 out of Augusta are showing the same programming. Channel 2.2 out of Augusta is a CW channel but I'm not able to get a signal.

The listing for 34.2 indicates 16x9 @1080i yet there is no HD programming whatsoever on this channel. The same channel aired on 26.2 is 4x3 @480i strictly a digital channel.

As for Fox 28.1 they need to work on their audio. There are times when the audio for the local commercials they air would come out full blast from my surrounds. Also there are alot of HD to SC drop outs during primetime events. I was watching "13 Going on 30" in HD and for about 15 minutes, the movie was shown in SD.