groove93 I have had the same problem with sound and HDto SD with 28.1
Where did you find program listings for 34.2 ? WSGA web site has listings for 34.1 they seem to have same programs in prime time 8 -10 PM but the day time is different programs. 34.2 has much better picture than 34.1 but not any HD so far

I checked the channel guide on Direct TV (SD) and it only shows information for WGAS Channel 34.

Are you receiving a Full Screen image on 34.1 and a 4x3 image on 34.2 as well?

Although the same programming is being aired on 26.2 and 34.2, the Augusta station is showing their programming full screen.

Brian, is your H20 still showing "Regular Schedule" in your guide for 28.1?


Yep.

I checked the channel guide on Direct TV (SD) and it only shows information for WGAS Channel 34.

Are you receiving a Full Screen image on 34.1 and a 4x3 image on 34.2 as well?

Although the same programming is being aired on 26.2 and 34.2, the Augusta station is showing their programming full screen.

Yes 34.1 is full screen and poor pict 34.2 is 4X3 very good picture and not same program as 34.1 as of 7 PM at 8 pm they both have the geek thing but 34.2 is very good pict 34.1 is poor picture

Has anyone noticed the latest changes in WTOC's post-transition status? When they return to channel 11, their ERP will be 5.1 kw. I know vhf signal propagation characteristics are different from uhf, but they had originally filed for 14.8 kw. I live outside the Savannah DMA near Adrian GA. I guess I can say good-bye to WTOC! They should have stayed on channel 15. The contour coverage map shows a slightly reduced area, so I'm sure a weaker signal combined with impulse noise will eliminate them. We'll have to see how well that Funke PSP 1922 hi-band vhf antenna I recently purchased works.

The FCC capped station coverage to strictly replicate the current digital until August of this year. At that time, stations will be allowed to file for increased power.

I'd expect a lot of stations to file to increase power at that time, WTOC included.

- Trip

13-1 is on as of now, almost full signal strength.

13-1 is on as of now, almost full signal strength.

Will they be adding any sub channels like the other PBS stations I've been viewing?

Did you notice that 17.3,4, and 5 kicked in with no information and no image, or was this just my TV?\\

13-1 is on as of now, almost full signal strength.

They have PSIP problems, it should remap to 9.1 and they are not that good here, for me 12.1 from Jax over rides it and they are both on DTV13

I guess my antenna needs adjustment because I'm not getting a thing on 13.1.

Is that broadcast in 1080i, or just 480i?

Any local content, or is it the national PBS feed? (Rabbitears shows "PBS-HD", but I'm not sure if they mean it's showing the national feed or if they simply mean 13.1 is a PBS affiliate.)

As far as I know, none of the other Georgia PBS stations are remapping properly either.

And as far as I know, it's local content with some HD mixed in. I have fixed my site to say "PBS" rather than "PBS-HD" which would indicate the national feed.

- Trip

[QUOTE=teesee;13792835]I guess my antenna needs adjustment because I'm not getting a thing on 13.1.

Is that broadcast in 1080i, or just 480i?

I'm getting 89% signal strength on 13-1, 60 miles west of Savannah, and the TV is displaying 1080i 16:9
though I have to zoom in to fit the entire screen, and there is no program info.....

I am not getting 13.1 or 9.1 on either TV

It was strictly digital when I first got the channel yesterday, now it's HD @16x9. It's the same feed that I'm also seeing from 14.3 out of Augusta.

Channel 9 SD is showing something entirely different.

And as far as I know, it's local content with some HD mixed in. I have fixed my site to say "PBS" rather than "PBS-HD" which would indicate the national feed.That's your site? Well done (and much recommended to everybody). Some good info there, although the Subchannels page information on Savannah is a tad out of date at the moment. (Just sayin'. I have an idea of how busy you've been recently. I'm in the middle of finals myself. :()

I am not getting 13.1 or 9.1 on either TV
Is your antenna able to receive both UHF and VHF? Channel 13 is a VHF channel. I just realized my antenna is UHF only, which explains why I'm not getting WVAN-DT. That was a real forehead slapper...

Is your antenna able to receive both UHF and VHF? Channel 13 is a VHF channel. I just realized my antenna is UHF only, which explains why I'm not getting WVAN-DT. That was a real forehead slapper...


2 out of my 3 antennas get uhf and vhf, but neither one is picking up PBS

Same here I have a UHF/VHF ant on a 36 ft tower, no luck with 13.1. have no problem with stations from Charleston 71 miles away

That's your site? Well done (and much recommended to everybody). Some good info there, although the Subchannels page information on Savannah is a tad out of date at the moment. (Just sayin'. I have an idea of how busy you've been recently. I'm in the middle of finals myself. :()

The big text-based list you mean? That's mainly there for historical reasons, I'm planning to get rid of it at some point. I'm focusing mainly on the Listings section. Is that accurate? If so, I'll go ahead and update that big list to reflect it. For Savannah, at least.

- Trip

The big text-based list you mean? That's mainly there for historical reasons, I'm planning to get rid of it at some point.I'm referring to the Subchannels page... the one you have a link to in your sig here on AVSForum. All it's missing is 13.1 and 35.2. And there's also a 15.4, although that channel is totally blank (just a black screen and nothing else).


I'm focusing mainly on the Listings section. Is that accurate? If so, I'll go ahead and update that big list to reflect it. For Savannah, at least.
That looks great. IIRC, you updated that page on the same days that 13.1 and 34.2 lit up. That page is really what I was referring to when I said there was a lot of information. It's well laid out and easy to understand, despite all the info and links in a relatively small area.

And, yes, all that info does appear accurate.

Same here I have a UHF/VHF ant on a 36 ft tower, no luck with 13.1. have no problem with stations from Charleston 71 miles away
That's strange. WVAN's service area footprint includes Beufort (I think that's where you said you were located in a previous post), so it seems like you should get that channel, even without the good antenna and signal booster (I believe) you said you have. That broadcast footprint is also quite a bit larger than the footprints of other Savannah stations that you've been getting. So maybe that means that WVAN's present rate of power is less than what they expect to be at normally. Maybe there's hope for you, rj and anyone else who's getting other area stations but not 13.1.

Of course this is just conjecture on my part... :)

I have an old CM UHF/VHF 17 ft long with amp and rotor, I can get some stations in Jax. Fl and that may be the problem they also have a station on DTV13 I think it could be the PSIP info from the station they should remap to 9.1 not 13.1.

Have you tried removing the amp to test your conflict theory?

Why would I do that?

Why would I do that?
What I was thinking was that if you removed (unplugged, turned off, whatever...) your signal boost, the Jacksonville station would be much weaker and, at that point, may not jam your reception of WVAN, which should still come in well since it's so much closer to you (Beufort is within WVAN's official broadcast area). This may either confirm or eliminate the theory of there being a conflict between the two stations.

Just a thought...

I was wondering how do I get 8VSB channels? Do I need a big antenna or is it in my Samsung STB?

What I was thinking was that if you removed (unplugged, turned off, whatever...) your signal boost, the Jacksonville station would be much weaker and, at that point, may not jam your reception of WVAN, which should still come in well since it's so much closer to you (Beufort is within WVAN's official broadcast area). This may either confirm or eliminate the theory of there being a conflict between the two stations.

Just a thought...

I have a CM amp, it has 2 parts the amp is at the antenna and a power supply is in side, it sends DC voltage up the cable to the amp. If you unplug the power supply it kills all signal. I am not going to remove the amp just to see if I can pick up a station that is still not set up with proper PSIP signal. the fact that is 13.1 shows it is not set up, it should come in as 9.1.
Wtoc is on DTV 15 but remaps to 11.1/11.2/11.3 WSAV is on DTV 39 but remaps to 3.1/3.2 and when the get the bugs out WVAN will remap to 9.1.
A lot of tuners to not lock into a signal with out-of- wac PSIP info

Just because it's mapping to 13-1 doesn't mean their PSIP is screwed up.

I've seen some stations which have proper PSIP and just map incorrectly.

In this case it's probably safe to assume they're not doing PSIP, but just the fact they're mapping to the wrong channel doesn't mean that at all.

- Trip

Anyone in the loop or any scuttlebutt updating when WJCL is going HD OTA?

Anyone in the loop or any scuttlebutt updating when WJCL is going HD?Before May 1st 2008.

Seriously, I havent heard anything. That was the last thing I heard.

WJCL is HD on Comcast....

PBS 13 is now mapping down to 9.

Cochran's WMUM GPB station is now mapping 3 channels:
29.1 = HD GPB feed
29.2 = SD GPB feed
29.3 = SD PBS feed

Maybe WVAN or WXGA is now doing this?

PBS 13.1,2 and 3 but they display the same programming, 13.1 in HD, the other two in SD.

PBS 13.1,2 and 3 but they display the same programming, 13.1 in HD, the other two in SD.It's definately 2 different programming channels on WMUM. With 29.1 HD of "Big Comfy Couch" and 29.2 SD a simulcast of that program, while 29.3 has "Barney and Friends" on. This is at 12:55 pm.
At 1 pm "Clifford's Puppy Days" on 29.1 HD and 29.2 SD, while 29.3 has "Mister Rogers Neighborhood"...

PBS 13 is now mapping down to 9.

Ahh, now I see it. I just scanned and the PBS channels on 9 just appeared. Their physical location must be 13 I guess.

It's definately 2 different programming channels on WMUM. With 29.1 HD of "Big Comfy Couch" and 29.2 SD a simulcast of that program, while 29.3 has "Barney and Friends" on. This is at 12:55 pm.
At 1 pm "Clifford's Puppy Days" on 29.1 HD and 29.2 SD, while 29.3 has "Mister Rogers Neighborhood"...

Yes, now I'm seeing two different programs, although two are showing the same.

I am seeing that Direct TV now has 22-1 in the local channel menu for OTA. There is no signal strentgh yet however. Could it be that WJCL is getting close.

hoppo42 do you get EPG for 34.1 and 34.2 ?

hoppo42 do you get EPG for 34.1 and 34.2 ?


Jim,
I can get those on my television ota, not the directv recver yet.

I am seeing that Direct TV now has 22-1 in the local channel menu for OTA. There is no signal strentgh yet however. Could it be that WJCL is getting close.I had ABC locked for the longest OTA with no video. I upgraded receivers last month and have never been able to lock it again. I check here daily and do a scan about once or twice a week-hoping. But, again, my situation (as well as a few others here) is a little different as I don't even have to adjust my antenna to get ABC from Augusta.

I am seeing that Direct TV now has 22-1 in the local channel menu for OTA. There is no signal strentgh yet however. Could it be that WJCL is getting close.



Good news but surprising that they have that and still no guide data for 28.1

Yes no 28.1 is baffling. As well as the sub stations for PBS 9-2,9-3 or the CW 34-2. If it wasnt for my Samsung TV I wouldnt have known they exist. I scan my television daily in hopes if ABC coming online soon. I just glad to see any improvements we are getting. Im tired of being punished because we live in a small market.

hoppo42 I can get 34.2 ok on my dish DVR but no EPG on 34.2 get EPG on 28.1 and 34.1
Bryan92 I also got 22.1 some time ago, but not any more.

Anyone have problems with FOX on Comcast? My tv tunes it at 90.2 and the picture is great but it breaks up every 30 seconds or so. I have a tuner for my pc and it does the same. NBC and CBS have no problems. Any ideas?

Fox 28.1 OTA looks like CRAP as far as local programming goes!!!!!

Their 4x3 presentations are zoomed in and the picture quality is suffering as a result. A Pan and Scan like image.

Well, the American Idol finale is here and no audio from WTGS; worse yet, screeching white noise. Fantastic. I will get to hear about this from my wife for at least 2 months. Maybe after this they will spontaneously combust and a real tv station will take their place.

Thank heavens 28.1 is coming in crystal clear. If you have D* you can go to channel 388 for the SD version.

28.1 good here

Fox' sound last night was horrible for me too, Brian.

I was tweaking a newly installed 91XG UHF antenna last night and also noticed the sound on Fox 28 analog (channel 28) was awful. The sound on the HD feed at 28.1 (channel 27) was perfect.

I was really hoping to see the 500 in HD today, at least the 600 will be tonight.

Saw the Indy 500 in HD via comcast QAM, and of course coca cola 600 was even better because of the 5.1 surround sound. Indy 500 was only 2.0. Its especially fun during the "crank it up" segments. My wife complains that i go a bit too loud. I politely yell at her (due to the loudness) this is what its like, um, kinda sorta not really, at the race. Its still fun though.

From what I am reading, you two are using your QAM tuner to watch unscrambled HD content from Comcast. I'm out here in whitmarsh and I used to get many HD channels including ESPN-HD, MOJO-HD and Discover-HD. Now I am getting many SD digital content but can only pull in 90.2 which is FOX-HD. It's sad. Are you getting any other HD channels like CBS, NBC, and ABC? Are you getting the Digital music channels? If you are getting the extra HD channels could you tell me the ch. numbers? Thanks for your help. I may have to sign up for the HD package from comcast b/c it's getting fustrating.

I'm getting HBOHD on 113-1, and VS/GOLFHD on 114-1. The music channels are on 115-4 and up. I also still get ondemand on 92,93,94,100. ABCHD is 104-5

thx! I WAS getting HBO-HD on 113.1 but that ended a few weeks ago. Can I ask where you are located, Suki? My friend lives off Montgomery Cross Rd gets the music channels too but not the other HD channels. I wonder why this is?

I'm near the Habersham YMCA, maybe your friend should try another scan, they might not be on the same channels that I mentioned.

Need some info from anyone with a Directv H-20 From what I read it can not scan for DTV channels, but you must go with what they say when you enter your zip code.
Do you get sub chs like 3.2 with EPG for the subs.?
My son is thinking about going to HD with Directv.

Need some info from anyone with a Directv H-20 From what I read it can not scan for DTV channels, but you must go with what they say when you enter your zip code.
Do you get sub chs like 3.2 with EPG for the subs.?
My son is thinking about going to HD with Directv.



The H-20 does scan for OTA channels but the HR-20(HD DVR) does not. I just emailed FOX 28 yesterday to see if they could get the EPG straight so the boxes can pick up 28.1, no response as of yet.

Ok I was asking about the HD DVR Are you sure it gets the EPG from the station? I have a old Sami 151 that gets EPG from the stations but it is only 6-8 hrs and just name of program no other info

Ok I was asking about the HD DVR Are you sure it gets the EPG from the station? I have a old Sami 151 that gets EPG from the stations but it is only 6-8 hrs and just name of program no other info


Yep, I get the EPG for channels 3.1, 11.1, 34.1(not HD) and even 22.1(not ota yet). Still no luck on 28.1

I just hooked up my old Sami 151 STB, it gets EPG from station PSIP. 28.1 has EPG till 8 PM tonight. 34.1 and 34.2 just say program 334/335/336/337, not much good. get listings for 3.1 and 3.2 till 8 PM and same for 11.1 9.1/2/3 list same for all 3 channels, get same program on 9.1 and 9.2, 9.3 is blank.
Do you have EPG for 3.2?

My Dish 622 gets EPG for 3.1and 3.2, 11.1, 28.1 34.1 but not 34.2 and so far nothing for 9.1./2/3

My 622 just got EPG for 9.1 has listings till 7 AM on 6/8 it shows 9.2 and 9.3 but says ditigal service, no names

From what I know and see posted on various other forums, the DirecTV HD-DVRs get the EPG data from the satellite feed via Tribune Media Services. You tell your box its Zip Code during setup and then it pulls the relevant locals information from the satellite EPG stream.

I have a HR20-100 and a HR20-700. They show guide data for and can only tune these Savannah OTA channels --

3.1
3.2
9.1
11.1
11.2
22.1 (no signal there yet)
34.1

I think 11.3 is there but of course no program is available anymore. Also it lists 3 or so 16.x channels for one of the South Carolina PBS stations. Apparently they are included somehow in the DMA for my Zip Code (30474).

On my Panasonic plasma using its internal ATSC tuner I get all the above plus these--

9.2
9.3
34.2

In my location, WGSA (channel 34) is very unreliable. Usually I get nothing. The other Savannah digitals come in reliably.

ABC is up and running!

Yep, VERY strong signal on 22-1... The day after the Lost season finale. lol

Oh well, beggars can't be choosers...

Is it HD?

- Trip

Channel info shows 720p, but Access Hollywood is on right now, which is an SD program. So I can't confirm.

The spelling bee is in Hi-Def.

The spelling bee is in Hi-Def.

Yep, it looks great!

From what I know and see posted on various other forums, the DirecTV HD-DVRs get the EPG data from the satellite feed via Tribune Media Services. You tell your box its Zip Code during setup and then it pulls the relevant locals information from the satellite EPG stream.

I have a HR20-100 and a HR20-700. They show guide data for and can only tune these Savannah OTA channels --

3.1
3.2
9.1
11.1
11.2
22.1 (no signal there yet)
34.1

I think 11.3 is there but of course no program is available anymore. Also it lists 3 or so 16.x channels for one of the South Carolina PBS stations. Apparently they are included somehow in the DMA for my Zip Code (30474).

On my Panasonic plasma using its internal ATSC tuner I get all the above plus these--

9.2
9.3
34.2

In my location, WGSA (channel 34) is very unreliable. Usually I get nothing. The other Savannah digitals come in reliably.

Thanks for the info, I also have problems with 34./34.2 with my one ant. at 23 ft not near the signal as other Sav stations. My ant at 36 ft they are all 90-100. My TV has the TV guide thing but still no listings for 34.2 and none from Dish

Good to see 22.1.

Are any of you guys having Overscan issues with Fox 28 OTA (only when local programming is airing) ?

The first is an image of 34.2 CW DT channel with normal 4:3 image dimensions.

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff265/foulsoul74/0531081313.jpg


This is an image of Fox 28.1 DT in which the dimensions are not normal.

This is the only Channel I can see having this issue in regards to 4:3 images, however National HD broadcasting is normal 16x9 and a great HD image.

http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff265/foulsoul74/0531081305.jpg

[QUOTE=teesee;13981199]Yep, VERY strong signal on 22-1...

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WJCL 67 Signal Strength
WTGS 75 " "
WGSA 77 " "
WVAN 87 " "
WTOC 87 " "
WSAV 97 " "

WJCL & WTGS will be on the TV guide network starting June 4th in making news Savannah style, from the previews you can see why they're the lowest rated in news. Previews are on their web site:
http://www.thecoastalsource.com/community/town/19406624.html ,as well as on you tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LESYitR_pXQ

What the hell are we going to talk about now? :D

What the hell are we going to talk about now? :D

EPG for 34.2 and HD locals on sat. so we can record 3 network chs. at the same time.

What the hell are we going to talk about now? :D



EPG for 28.1 on DirecTV receivers and a PBS HD signal that will reach Pooler

And FOX went out during the race!

EPG for 28.1 on DirecTV receivers and a PBS HD signal that will reach Pooler

What the hell are we going to talk about now? :D

Also, we can blabber about local channels having new cameras/equipment so that local news, local programs, commercials, etc. are shot in 16/9 HD format. For those of us that own plasma TV's, this is a problem because of image retention when side bars are needed for 4/3 format. Even with gray side bars this is an issue on some plasmas. Of course, at this point even most network commercials and programs are still 4/3.

I'm also a Direct TV customer and I'm contemplating on upgrading to an HR21 this month or the next and my question is about the "add-on". Although I'm receiving local stations OTA, is there an added benefit to having the optional Tuner other than the ability to record to your DVR?

I'm also a Direct TV customer and I'm contemplating on upgrading to an HR21 this month or the next and my question is about the "add-on". Although I'm receiving local stations OTA, is there an added benefit to having the optional Tuner other than the ability to record to your DVR?

Not really! However, it is nice to be able to record one channel while watching another and to replay the last few seconds of live TV in case you miss some dialog. I have the HR20 and one feature lacking that really would be nice is PIP. Since it can receive two channels simultaneously, I assume it would be technically feasible, but perhaps not.

Since it can receive two channels simultaneously, I assume it would be technically feasible, but perhaps not.

From what I've read on other forums, the HR20 series of HD-DVRs have only a single MPEG2/4 decoder chip, thus they can only decode one stream at the time. What they write to disk when recording is the raw MPEG2/4 datastream. The do not decode the stream when recording it. They only decode it upon playback. Thus the ability to decode only a single stream in hardware means no PIP is possible. The PIG (picture-in-guide) trick is diffferent because the locally generated guide graphics are not MPEG encoded.

From what I've read on other forums, the HR20 series of HD-DVRs have only a single MPEG2/4 decoder chip, thus they can only decode one stream at the time. What they write to disk when recording is the raw MPEG2/4 datastream. The do not decode the stream when recording it. They only decode it upon playback. Thus the ability to decode only a single stream in hardware means no PIP is possible. The PIG (picture-in-guide) trick is diffferent because the locally generated guide graphics are not MPEG encoded.

But is it not possible to design a unit with two decoder chips? I was referring to the technical feasibility, not the current design of my HR20. Those of us that have only OTA and Satellite are limited with respect to PIP. For example, being able to see two football games from ESPN and ESPN2 and switch back and forth, etc. would be a great feature.:)

Jesus, is this true? WJCL the butt of a joke and a reality series on TV guide network. Is there such a station?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LESYitR_pXQ

Agreed that PIP would be a neat feature, but I suspect DirecTV is trying to keep the cost down (hence the single decoder chip). I'm similary ill with them that the HR20 series boxes can't do an OTA scan and depend on the guide being populated correctly for OTA channels.

Not really! However, it is nice to be able to record one channel while watching another and to replay the last few seconds of live TV in case you miss some dialog. I have the HR20 and one feature lacking that really would be nice is PIP. Since it can receive two channels simultaneously, I assume it would be technically feasible, but perhaps not.

I for one could not be without my DVR (OTA and sat) other than news at 6 PM I record everything, I watch nothing live.

From what I've read on other forums, the HR20 series of HD-DVRs have only a single MPEG2/4 decoder chip, thus they can only decode one stream at the time. What they write to disk when recording is the raw MPEG2/4 datastream. The do not decode the stream when recording it. They only decode it upon playback. Thus the ability to decode only a single stream in hardware means no PIP is possible. The PIG (picture-in-guide) trick is diffferent because the locally generated guide graphics are not MPEG encoded.

I do not know about the HR-20 but my Dish 622 must have more than on decoder chip and think they work on the record side, I recorded the race on Fox sunday, both from Fox 28 OTA MPEG 2 and from sat MPEG 4 at the same time I can play them both back at same time with PIP and even with Fox 28 going dead(off air) for about an hr. the race from Sat MPEG-4 takes less space on the harddrive. The 622/722 can record 2 sat hd and 1 OTA hd at same time.

WVAN has some subchannels up now. They were all showing the same programming, last I checked.

WVAN has some subchannels up now. They were all showing the same programming, last I checked.


Where are you in Savannah? I have been unable to get WVAN at all in Pooler. I am not home now to check if it is pulling it in now.

Where are you in Savannah? I have been unable to get WVAN at all in Pooler. I am not home now to check if it is pulling it in now.I'm in midtown Savannah. If the WVAN tower is in Pembroke and you're in Pooler, you should be closer to the tower than me.

Where are you in Savannah? I have been unable to get WVAN at all in Pooler. I am not home now to check if it is pulling it in now.I know that I had to adjust my antenna by about 5 degrees just to pick up VAN. I had it set where I'd get Savannah stations at max, but it wouldn't even sniff VAN's signal. I moved it those 5 degrees and get a max on signal now.

I'm not happy with WVAN's programming. The PBS stations in South Carolina always have something airing in HD and often times there are three different programs airing on three stations. Unfortunately I can't get them in all the time but when its in, it runs circles around GPBS programming.

Looks like 34-1 is now 1080i and 34-2 is 480i. It used to be the other way around. Hi-def from the CW network is now possible here, I suppose.

Looks like 34-1 is now 1080i and 34-2 is 480i. It used to be the other way around. Hi-def from the CW network is now possible here, I suppose.


back to the other way for me

34-2 is bit starved.

back to the other way for meYeah, me too, unfortunately. :confused:

Anyone able to receive WJXT HD out of Jacksonville (4-1)? I have a signal strength of 70 and it doesn't fluctuate, but theres no image at all.

I've been getting the analog 4 lately, but not the digital version. I also got 47-1 last night, although I don't know from which city it's from. Maybe the atmospheric conditions are good for getting long distance channels recently.

Although they aren't good enough for me to get the local channel 9-1. lol

Now I'm getting WGSADTV on 70-3 while 34-2 is blank, for me atleast.

Now I'm getting WGSADTV on 70-3 while 34-2 is blank, for me atleast.

Same here, right now 34.1 is picture and no sound 34.2 signal but no pict or sound and 70.3 pict and sound but picture gets funkey on and off, get signal of 93-95 on all three. They must be playen with stuff

Fox 28.1 94%
WTOC 11.1 .2 82%
WSAV 3.01 .2 76%
WVAN 9.1.2.3 72%
CW 34.1.2 70 89%

Use Dish 622 and can't even get a sniff of ABC 22. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I use an Winegaurd in my attic, so I know that does not help. But, the fact that these others come in pretty good with few drops makes me wonder why I can't get ABC.

Thanks.:)

Fox 28.1 94%
WTOC 11.1 .2 82%
WSAV 3.01 .2 76%
WVAN 9.1.2.3 72%
CW 34.1.2 70 89%

Use Dish 622 and can't even get a sniff of ABC 22. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I use an Winegaurd in my attic, so I know that does not help. But, the fact that these others come in pretty good with few drops makes me wonder why I can't get ABC.

Thanks.:)
That is strange I have 2 622s and have no problem with 22.1 Not sure where you are located but looking at your signals it seems like you should get 22.1 I get 3.1 at 100 28.1 100 and 22.1 100.11.1 95, 34.1 93 9.1 nothing unless I turn ant about 30 deg then it is in mid 80s
Did you try to add in manualy? DTV 23.

Fox 28.1 94%
WTOC 11.1 .2 82%
WSAV 3.01 .2 76%
WVAN 9.1.2.3 72%
CW 34.1.2 70 89%

Use Dish 622 and can't even get a sniff of ABC 22. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I use an Winegaurd in my attic, so I know that does not help. But, the fact that these others come in pretty good with few drops makes me wonder why I can't get ABC.

Thanks.:)

I have a CM4228 in my attic on Wilmington Island and I get 22.2 and 28.1 at 98-100% consistenly on my 622. Where are you located?

Jackpot! 28.1 is now showing up in the EPG on DirecTV's HR20.

Hey! This is good news indeed. Been waiting on this one for months.

Jackpot! 28.1 is now showing up in the EPG on DirecTV's HR20.

:cool:

Now I'm ready for football season... if it ever gets here.

Thanks for the replies: I live in Statesboro just off of Golf Club Road. Ironically I will be moving in about 4 weeks to M P Martin Road in Brooklet, GA. I have checked anntennaweb and it seems I will be a lot closer to the towers than I am now. I guess I am just impatient and wanted to see the NBA Finals in HD.

Thanks for the replies: I live in Statesboro just off of Golf Club Road. Ironically I will be moving in about 4 weeks to M P Martin Road in Brooklet, GA. I have checked anntennaweb and it seems I will be a lot closer to the towers than I am now. I guess I am just impatient and wanted to see the NBA Finals in HD.

I'm in the Mill Creek Area and since you're moving to Brooklet, it's quite possible that you may be able to pick up channels in the Augusta Market as well.


For those of you getting 28-1 via Direct TV, are you guys getting an overscanned 4x3 image? Compared to the rest of the channels I receive, Fox 28-1 is the only channel in which the 4x3 box is wider than normal.

For those of you getting 28-1 via Direct TV, are you guys getting an overscanned 4x3 image? Compared to the rest of the channels I receive, Fox 28-1 is the only channel in which the 4x3 box is wider than normal.
I have not paid close enough attention yet on my 16x9 TV. They may be transmitting something that is not an actual 4:3 image. WTOC-DT did that early on with their 4:3 content. I corresponded via e-mail with their engineer at the time and he gave me the exact setting. It was a default setting in their new equipment I think he said. Anyway, they later changed it to be regular 4:3. Hopefully WTGS will do the same if they are sending a non-standard 4x3 picture.

I emailed their Technical Support department along with attached images of a normal 4x3 image and their overscanned 4x3 image as scene through a 16x9 screen.

WJCL-DT must be full-power, now. I am receiving it in Treutlen County, a few miles south of Adrian. Like most of the Savannah stations, reception here is a 50/50 chance. I admit, my setup isn't ideal. I am using an AntennasDirect DB-8, but it is only about 30 feet up and has a slight tilt downward due to damage from a storm last year. I plan on a higher installation later this year... I have a 50-foot mast in storage. I may try the 91-XG, since multipath seems to be a problem.

I'm in Vidalia and WJCL is hit or miss and weather conditions dependent. Last night I had it around 10:30 PM with a 45% or signal on my HR20-100. Since all receivers have different "lock" points for OTA signals, as a reference the HR20 DirecTV DVRs can hold lock down to 30% and then they lose it.

I get WTOC and WTGS the best (11.1 and 28.1). I almost never get a signal from WGSA (34.1). There must be some interfering signal or something interfering with them. I get WSAV and WVAN most of the time.

I have a 91XG (just recently upgraded from a Channel Master 4228). The 91XG is a little better. It made 28.1 become one of my reliable channels, where before it was hit or miss.

I gave up on trying to get in WJCL. It's hit or miss with me as well. Because there's no sub channel for WJCL it doesn't suffer from bit starving and motion blur like the ABC affiliate in Augusta has. Watching the NBA Finals on this station can be murder to one's eyes at times.

I have not had a problem yet with 22-1, actually the picture is crisp, clear, and more steady than on QAM. It also is quicker by 3 seconds than on QAM. Of course I live in the middle of Sav.

WJCL is broadcasting a fairly strong signal (I'm getting it at a steady 100% here in midtown), but it isn't as strong as it will be after the digital transition is complete.

Their signal is supposed to barely reach Statesboro right now, and fall well short of Vidalia.

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DS1039543.html


After the transition, Statesboro will be well within WJCL's signal range, although unfortunately it won't reach quite as far as Vidalia. Not officially anyway...

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT1233183.html


But be warned, although the digital transition is coming in February of next year, WJCL has filed for (and been granted) an extension to complete their final digital facilities as late as February of 2010. But I can't discern whether or not that means they'll be at their lower signal strength until then.

Of course, if the poster in Beaufort can pull in these channels well, you guys should be able to also, with the right accessories. Probably even in Treutlen County.

Hope this helps you folks...

I have not had a problem yet with 22-1, actually the picture is crisp, clear, and more steady than on QAM. It also is quicker by 3 seconds than on QAM. Of course I live in the middle of Sav.Do you get WVAN-DT? I can get the South Carolina PBS station better than the Savannah PBS, right now.

For some reason for a while, I can't get WTOC 11-1, 11-2, and 9-1,9-2 I can't figure it out. I used to be able to get WTOC but I lost it 9 months ago.

For some reason for a while, I can't get WTOC 11-1, 11-2, and 9-1,9-2 I can't figure it out. I used to be able to get WTOC but I lost it 9 months ago.

OTA or cable?

Do you get WVAN-DT? I can get the South Carolina PBS station better than the Savannah PBS, right now.

I'm the opposite. I can get WVAN-DT in clear but I can't get in SC PBS 14-1 except for late at night and I prefer this channel simply because they show three different programs and the HD channel is just that, in HD.

WVAN-DT is out of the question for me until after the transition. They are operating on channel 13, the same channel as WMAZ's analog signal from Macon. With me being about half-way between, my current VHF antenna cannot reject the signal that WMAZ-TV is cranking out from the rear. I am using a Winegard 7084 for VHF & an AntennasDirect DB8 for uhf. As previously mentioned (either in this or another thread), the mast tilts slightly downward due to wind damage. I am curious as to how much of an affect this has on my signals.

I live on the fringe of ALL tv reception. In fact, I live near where the Augusta, Macon & Savannah DMA's almost converge. I should be able to recieve WJBF-DT (ABC, Augusta), WSAV-DT (NBC & MyNetworkTV, Savannah), WMAZ (CBS, Macon), WMUM (PBS, Cochran) when I change my setup to a 91-XG on a 50-ft mast. And, hopefully, some of the other channels will be receivable.

February is going to be an interesting month. I can't wait to hear the data that comes out of the test markets that are going to shut-off analogs before February. As I ride to work everyday, I seen quite a few people who will surely be in the dark.... even with a converter, when next February gets here.

I'm currently awaiting a new receiver from DIRECTV for my bedroom. While I'm waiting, I'm using rabbit ears. I can pick up WSAV-DT, WJCL-DT, WTGS-DT, and both WGSA-DT and WGCW-DT (on 70.3; it's part of The CW 100+; basically the cable-only affiliate of The CW that's available on Comcast).

But for some strange reason, no matter how I try, I cannot pick up WTOC-DT on 11.1. If there are any tips or hints, I'd greatly appreciate them. Thanks in advance.

Wtoc is on DTV ch15 the low end of the UHF band and is less power than the other stations. It may help if you could get your ant. higher.

News concerning WTOC's post-transition power... I was concerned when it was indicated to be @ 5.1 kW ERP. It looks as though this month they filed for 24.4 kW. I got a confirmation e-mail from their chief engineer. That should be good news for those of us on the fringes.

I live about halfway between Savannah & Macon and it looks as if WVAN-DT (13) IS able to break through WMAZ-TV's analog (13) signal after all... at least on one of my receivers. While my Magnavox converter cannot decipher the digital signal, my cheap Ilo digital tv can. When I raise my antenna higher, replace the slightly bent mast & run new coax, I hope all the Savannah stations will be more reliable. I am about 79 miles from the towers, so I guess I'm lucky to be doing good as I am with the setup I have (Winegard 7084 for VHF & AntennasDirect DB-8 for UHF @ 30 feet with a Channelmaster 7777 preamp & 75 feet of rg-6 coax).

I'm still trying to decide whether or not to stay with the DB-8 or go with the 91-XG. I will be replacing the Winegard with a Funke PSP 1922 highband VHF. That should give a little extra punch for WVAN & WTOC.

News concerning WTOC's post-transition power... I was concerned when it was indicated to be @ 5.1 kW ERP. It looks as though this month they filed for 24.4 kW. I got a confirmation e-mail from their chief engineer. That should be good news for those of us on the fringes.
I also see that on June 23rd, WJCL filed for an increase in their post-transition ERP to 1 MW. That's up considerably from the 85 KW that was listed, and even up quite a bit over the old 200 KW number on the FCC site a year or so ago.

By the way, I think you will be quite happy with the 91-XG. I love mine. As I've said in an earlier post, it replaced a Channel Master 4228. I get much more reliable reception of WTGS now. In fact, I pretty much never lose it anymore. Also get WTOC very reliably. WJCL comes in maybe 40% of the time. I hope that goes way up when they move to 1 MW ERP. WSAV is available 85% of the time. WGSA is pretty much never for me. Maybe 10% of the time. Don't know why unless I have an interfering harmonic somewhere. There is a 150 ft. monopole cell tower about 500 feet from my property and I have to "look" right across it to see the Savannah stations. Maybe some weird harmonic from the cell traffic is killing UHF channel 35.

I think you will be quite happy with the 91-XG. I love mine.

How is your antenna installed--height, coax length, etc? I am hoping to avoid going the tower route. I have a 50-ft telescoping mast in storage. My plans are to have separate UHF & VHF installations. On the UHF side, I will use the 50-ft mast, a Channel Master preamp & run 100 feet of rg-11 coax from the preamp to the grounding block. From there, I plan to use rg-6. RG-11 may be overkill; but, from where I live, I need every dB I can get. The VHF antenna will probably be on a 40-ft mast.

One concern I have is about how stable the 91-XG will be on the mast. Being a yagi, I'm sure it has a more narrow beamwidth than the DB-8. At 79 miles from the transmitters, any movement of the antenna could make it difficult to get a signal lock.

This is going to be an interesting experiment. It's a good thing I enjoy a challenge!

How is your antenna installed--height, coax length, etc?
Mine is currently mounted in my second story attic. Height above ground is roughly 25 feet. I suspended a mast down vertically from the ridge board and have a 91-XG on the bottom end and a VHF-Hi Band on the top end. I use a Channel Master 7777 preamp. All coax is RG6 quad-shield.

My house construction is cement-board siding (Hardiplank and Weatherboards are two trade names), and Savannah is almost due East for me. With the way my house sits, that means the antennas look directly out the gable end through only a layer of 1/2" OSB and the 7/16" siding. No metal other than the nails. I have a large walk-in attic and there is no other metal or ductwork in this area.

I could probably lower the loss some by moving the antenna outside, but there are WAF issues with that...;) Also, having it in the attic eliminates weather issues with connectors and lightning concerns.

I get WTOC pretty much all the time. Since I went to the 91-XG, I get WTGS pretty much all the time. WVAN-DT is also pretty reliable. WSAV is pretty reliable, just not quite up there with WTOC and WTGS. WJCL is not so reliable, but I hope that improves when they go to 1 MW after Feb '09. WGSA (channel 35 DTV) is pretty much never. Thankfully I'm not a big CW network fan.

I will stick with my setup for now since I expect DirecTV to carry all the Savannah locals in HD. I'm hoping that will be one of the DMAs lit up on the new D11 bird when it goes production in August or September. I see on a web site where DirecTV now has a HD origination facility in Savannah. That just showed up a few months ago. I'm taking that as a "sign" of things to come...:)

My dad finally got HD, but his antenna will not do. He wants his to remain in his attic, even after days of trying to convince him to let me put it on his roof. Anyway, so I wont have to wade back through 71 pages, what is the best one for the attic? He is about 38 miles from the tower.

My dad finally got HD, but his antenna will not do. He wants his to remain in his attic, even after days of trying to convince him to let me put it on his roof. Anyway, so I wont have to wade back through 71 pages, what is the best one for the attic? He is about 38 miles from the tower.

What part of Statesboro does your father live?

I'm in the Mill Creek area and I'm using a Radio Shack 15-2187 Directional Antenna located in my Attic. I'm getting in All Savannah Channels although WJCL is hit or miss for me. I'm also getting in CBS ABC and NBC from Augusta.

I'm thinking of trying out the Channel Master 7777 Amp with this antenna to see how it performs.

What part of Statesboro does your father live?

I'm in the Mill Creek area and I'm using a Radio Shack 15-2187 Directional Antenna located in my Attic. I'm getting in All Savannah Channels although WJCL is hit or miss for me. I'm also getting in CBS ABC and NBC from Augusta.

I'm thinking of trying out the Channel Master 7777 Amp with this antenna to see how it performs.
He's about 4 miles from you-near Ogeechee river off Clito Road. Thanks for the reply. That helps a bunch.

No problem, and you may want to try and point the antenna towards "True North". I get the best reception at this angle.

My dad finally got HD, but his antenna will not do. He wants his to remain in his attic, even after days of trying to convince him to let me put it on his roof. Anyway, so I wont have to wade back through 71 pages, what is the best one for the attic? He is about 38 miles from the tower.Damn, its hot outside! :eek:

I tried putting the antenna in the attic because my dad wanted me too. I told him it probably wouldn't work. Well, after an hour in the attic this morning, it didn't work. I sent him to Lowe's to get some chimney mounts. I got it as high as I could (its probably 30 feet off the ground). I got it all hooked up in the attic which I thought then it would be running straight to the coax going to his den. I tweaked the antenna and couldn't get much. I went back up stairs and found where it was split to the other bedroom-fixed that. Still not much (NBC 70%, CBS 63%, FOX 58-60% and thats it). I decided to look behind the entertainment cabinet and noticed only one wire coming from the wall. I asked him how many runs of coax were coming from the attic and he said, "One". I thought that would surely be the issue. The antenna signal is combined in the attic with the satellite, then through the wall to an outlet, then to dish splitter for a dual tuner receiver, then finally to the dish antenna port.

I would certainly say this is the issue with it being split so much, no????

I told him that I'd run him a coax through the wall if he wanted, but he said he could live with it.

Bryan I would run a coax from ant to sat, NO diplexers, NO splitters, stright RG 6 should work much better. all that junk drops signal.

I live on Hilton Head and receive strong signal from the DTV channels in Savannah virtually all the time, except the PBS DTV station that I never can receive. Does anyone know about their status and their ERP? My neighborhood won’t go for an external antenna setup, so I am restricted to the attic with a CM4228.

[QUOTE=cappy1;14243777]I live on Hilton Head and receive strong signal from the DTV channels in Savannah virtually all the time, except the PBS DTV station that I never can receive. Does anyone know about their status and their ERP? My neighborhood won’t go for an external antenna setup, so I am restricted to the attic with a CM4228.[/QUO
Try WJWJ PBS 16.1/2/3 it is on DTV ch 44. You can put your antenna outside, FCC says you can and nothing they can do about it.

Yes, I know about the FCC ruling. But I also know about the gymnastics I would have to go through with the neighbors and the Plantation, not to mention my wife! I am aware of WJWJ, living near Beaufort, but from my house one antenna won't cover Savannah and Beaufort. So that means two antennas or a rotor. If the Savannah PBS doesn't increase ERP by this fall, I may try two antennas...to hot this summer.

I would go with the rotor for WJWJ they are UHF and will stay UHF and better HD. Last time I turned my antenna for the Sav PBS they had the same thing on all 3 channels and not HD and VHF low power

Just noticed some changes with WGSA... Their virtual channel is now 35, and there's now three channels.

35.1 WGSA-HD
35.2 WGCW-CW
35.3 WGSA-SD

Note the HD channel being 35.1, instead of 34.2. (While my HR20 gets this station on 34-1.)

Just noticed some changes with WGSA... Their virtual channel is now 35, and there's now three channels.

35.1 WGSA-HD
35.2 WGCW-CW
35.3 WGSA-SD

Note the HD channel being 35.1, instead of 34.2. (While my HR20 gets this station on 34-1.)



Hopefully this means we are close to getting actual HD on the channel

Anyone using unencrypted, in-the-clear QAM via Hargray cable? I'm at a condo that has Hargray for the week and couldn't get any QAM at all out of the cable box. And it looks like the cable box gets its feed from a CAT5 cable. Plus I only have an unamplified 30" antenna for my little HDTV tuner for my laptop. Any ideas? I wanna catch the MLB All-Star Game on FOX on Tuesday night...

Not sure where you are but I think you need to hook cable stright to the tuner, do not use the cable box. Fox in Sav is on 28.1 DTV 27 so you need a UHF antenna or make ant as short as you can

the only coax used is from the box/receiver to the TV. otherwise, it travels over CAT5 cable and comes straight out of a cable modem. Does Hargray do TV over IP? Or maybe the CAT5 just distributes it around the building and it comes into the building via coax. No luck with the antenna, I have a hard time with it at home too, 20 miles from the towers and I think HHI is 30-35 miles from the towers.

Anybody notice WSAV has lost the HD feed? Last night Gladiators, Jay, Conan, and now Today at 11am is in SD.

Last night's storm may have been the culprit. Whenever storm information is displayed on the screen, the station switches to a local standard def configuration.

I forgot to check last night, was Law & Order back in HD?

the only coax used is from the box/receiver to the TV. otherwise, it travels over CAT5 cable and comes straight out of a cable modem. Does Hargray do TV over IP? Or maybe the CAT5 just distributes it around the building and it comes into the building via coax. No luck with the antenna, I have a hard time with it at home too, 20 miles from the towers and I think HHI is 30-35 miles from the towers.

This is a differenct animal altogether compared to your "copper up to the TV" cable provider, which comcast is. From your description, Hargray is running a setup that is more locked down than comcast. We've all heard the stories of stealing cable. From the way it sounds, you wouldnt be able to do that with Hargray, and you wouldnt be able to exploit with the QAM. Since their inrastructure is newer than comcasts' legacy network, not as much can be done. tst, tst.

well it's not stealing cable because I'm "paying for it" (the resort is). Local channels are supposed to be offered digitally via unencrypted QAM if one is a subscriber of the service (if you don't have the service then the cable would be blocked altogether).

source: http://www.highdefforum.com/showthread.php?p=294920

It's true. See Code of Federal Regulations, 47CFR76.630:

Cable system operators shall not scramble or otherwise encrypt signals carried on the basic service tier.

http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2...7cfr76.630.htm

it's interpreted different ways and isn't really enforced. I think it's a fair rule to force local channels to be available unencrypted. I would love for all of them to be unencrypted but then the cable cos wouldn't make money off their boxes so that's unlikely...

no no, dont missunderstand, i'm not suggesting that you are. It sounds like you wouldn't be able to split your signal and feed it to someone else who doesn't pay. Thats all. I am with you bro, you should be able to, but it doesnt appear you can.

FYI, Comcast Savannah added a couple of new HD channels this week.

450 - Speed
451 - FX
I think 428 - Fox News Channel.

any word when savannah will get abc in hd?

any word when savannah will get abc in hd?

WJCL has been in HD for 2 or 3 months now

Looks like DirecTV subs can take down their antennas by year's end.

http://dtv.client.shareholder.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=324647

Looks like DirecTV subs can take down their antennas by year's end.

http://dtv.client.shareholder.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=324647

Not that I have Direct, but I will leave mine up forever. Whole lot better picture, Im sure. But, I see your point. Direct is much further than Dish about getting these markets up.

No way would I take down my antenna even if the locals were on Sat. Then I could record 3 network channels at the same time. Also are they going to have CW, PBS and Mytv on Sat?? I am sure they will not have 11.2 weather.

I've never seen an HD-LIL picture. All I know is that on dbstalk.com, the consensus is that HD-Lite is highly overrated. Of course there's probably some bias in those opinions. How much, I don't know. I guess I'll see in a few months. It's no extra charge for the HD local channels, so I have nothing to lose. And I'll get channels I'm not getting with my antenna, which is a plus no matter the picture quality.

I'm pretty sure all of the main channels are going to be included. But no subchannels, with the exception of channels 9 and 16. PBS signed a carriage agreement with DirecTV that up to three subchannels will be included in LIL's. They fought over this issue for quite a while before agreeing.

Of course, keeping my antenna up would be a good option for (satellite) rain fade. I'll keep it up at least long enough to compare picture quality between OTA and DirecTV. That might be interesting.

I've never seen an HD-LIL picture. All I know is that on dbstalk.com, the consensus is that HD-Lite is highly overrated. Of course there's probably some bias in those opinions. How much, I don't know. I guess I'll see in a few months. It's no extra charge for the HD local channels, so I have nothing to lose. And I'll get channels I'm not getting with my antenna, which is a plus no matter the picture quality.

I'm pretty sure all of the main channels are going to be included. But no subchannels, with the exception of channels 9 and 16. PBS signed a carriage agreement with DirecTV that up to three subchannels will be included in LIL's. They fought over this issue for quite a while before agreeing.

Of course, keeping my antenna up would be a good option for (satellite) rain fade. I'll keep it up at least long enough to compare picture quality between OTA and DirecTV. That might be interesting.
You're right. I would be curious to know the difference in PQ.

Savannah Local stations should be coming to Direct TV in October.

This was posted at dbstalk.com

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/moreInfoText.jsp?assetId=1620002

You're right. I would be curious to know the difference in PQ.
According to the posts on DBS Talk, the quality can vary from excellent and essentially identical to OTA all the way down to horrible. It apparently is determined by exactly how DirecTV gets the OTA signal for satellite uplink.

If they get it OTA themselves via antenna, they have to decode and re-encode the signal and quality suffers big time. If they get a straight fiber feed from the station, quality is great because for now DirecTV is not compressing their MPEG4 signals any futher. Straight fiber feeds from the station studio means the main channel is usually not sharing bandwidth with the sub-channels, so there is a possibility the DirecTV version of the signal can surpass what is available OTA when the OTA signal carries several sub-channels (like GPTV on WVAN). I'm hoping what actually happens for GPTV is they grab the signal via fiber directly from GPTV in Atlanta and uplink that for all Georgia HD Local subscribers. This would work because GPTV simulcasts the same program to all the stations as far as I know.

I have DirecTV and the quality of their MPEG4 HD channels is very, very good. Better than OTA from any of the Savannah stations. DirecTV's MPEG2 HD stuff is not so good...:(. Thankfully all the MPEG2 HD transmissions begin conversion to MPEG4 starting at 6:00 AM tomorrow according to an "insider" post on DBS Talk.

According to the posts on DBS Talk, the quality can vary from excellent and essentially identical to OTA all the way down to horrible. It apparently is determined by exactly how DirecTV gets the OTA signal for satellite uplink.

If they get it OTA themselves via antenna, they have to decode and re-encode the signal and quality suffers big time. If they get a straight fiber feed from the station, quality is great because for now DirecTV is not compressing their MPEG4 signals any futher. Straight fiber feeds from the station studio means the main channel is usually not sharing bandwidth with the sub-channels, so there is a possibility the DirecTV version of the signal can surpass what is available OTA when the OTA signal carries several sub-channels (like GPTV on WVAN). I'm hoping what actually happens for GPTV is they grab the signal via fiber directly from GPTV in Atlanta and uplink that for all Georgia HD Local subscribers. This would work because GPTV simulcasts the same program to all the stations as far as I know.

I have DirecTV and the quality of their MPEG4 HD channels is very, very good. Better than OTA from any of the Savannah stations. DirecTV's MPEG2 HD stuff is not so good...:(. Thankfully all the MPEG2 HD transmissions begin conversion to MPEG4 starting at 6:00 AM tomorrow according to an "insider" post on DBS Talk.

Well, as far as Mpeg2 the only Channels that stand out are HDnet, HDnet Movies, HDTheater, and Universal HD. How those channels are able to achieve the level of quality, I don't know. The programming on the HDNet channels is incredible. We'll see what happens tomorrow when the conversion hopefully happens.

There are some Mpeg4 channels that are a joke IMO.

Well, as far as Mpeg2 the only Channels that stand out are HDnet, HDnet Movies, HDTheater, and Universal HD. How those channels are able to achieve the level of quality, I don't know. The programming on the HDNet channels is incredible. We'll see what happens tomorrow when the conversion hopefully happens.

There are some Mpeg4 channels that are a joke IMO.


ESPNHD, ESPN2HD and TNTHD were all MPEG2 until this morning also.

There are some Mpeg4 channels that are a joke IMO.
I will agree with you on that one. I was not specific in my comment. When the source material is real HD, the MPEG4 stuff looks excellent on DirecTV. However, many of the channels broadcast in MPEG4 frequently show upconverted and/or stretched mess that is a general disaster compared to the real HD source material.

So I should qualify my previous post by saying "when the source is good HD, then the MPEG4 signal from DirecTV is very, very good."

Hello everyone,

I know this forum is mostly for OTA HD, but I have a question about QAM and thought that someone might be able to help me. I live on Wilmington Island and I have Comcast limited basic cable so I only get a few channels and have no cable box. I recently bought a Phillips 42" ambilight 2 tv that has a built in tuner. I have been getting network hd channels just fine for some time now(about 6 months) but recently(past few weeks) cbs and nbc have been jumpy and the sound cuts in and out. I called comcast and they basically tell me that unless I pay the extra money for an HD box that they won't help me. Is that all I can do? I've already tried a new cable and I get other HD channels just fine so I don't think its my television. I looked through the postings to see if anyone else was having this problem but couldn't find any. Any help you guys could give me would be greatly appreciated.

Don't know if it's on your QAM Tuners, but it is now on Comcast channel 440.

What other HD channels are you getting? GOLF/VS.HD and HBOHD or more than that?

Anyone else get hosed by WSAV last night with the 4x100m relay final?

What a time to switch from HD to standard and leave the audio 3 seconds ahead of the video! We heard the result of the final leg of the relay before we saw it. What a waste for one of the most exciting finishes seen in years.

Hopefully they don't make this a habit

I even wrote WSAV last night about that..... and they didn't write me back, wonder why?? Their coverage SUCKS! and they never had this problem until this weekend.

Their hd feed has been very unstable. Not impressed at all.

I even wrote WSAV last night about that..... and they didn't write me back, wonder why?? Their coverage SUCKS! and they never had this problem until this weekend.


I emailed them as well and received a message today from their general manager. He basically apologized and said they believe everything should run smoothly tonight.

What's the deal with Fox 28? Sunday night, Terminator was in SD, tonight House is in SD. What's the deal?

I sure hope this is short lived. Nothing has beeen in HD on 22 for the last couple of days as well. What's going on?

"Bones" on Fox is in HD tonight :)

"Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles" is in HD on Fox also :)

Seeing some pixelation though

WSAV is still having problems with pixelation in their Olympics coverage - specifically women's beach volleyball

"Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles" is in HD on Fox also :)

OTA, Cable, or Satellite, because it wasn't for me via OTA. I changed the channel and started watching the Olympics.

WSAV is still having problems with pixelation in their Olympics coverage - specifically women's beach volleyball

I noticed that too, switched to the Augusta Station and it was much better.

OTA, Cable, or Satellite, because it wasn't for me via OTA. I changed the channel and started watching the Olympics.

OTA, I just caught the first few minutes of it before changing channels

Both WJCL and Fox28 OTA are HD tonight

Oakland and Tennessee playing tonight, looks good!!!

It seems like we lost HBOHD and VS./GOLFHD simultaneously on QAM, because they're both gone from 113, and 114. I hope they come back, but I doubt it.

Anyone able to get WVAN in HD out near Pooler?

I live in downtown Savannah and get a good OTA signal most of the time. Sometimes though it seems I will get interference from cars driving by (I live on the first floor of an apartment building). I have a RCA silver sensor antenna. Any suggestions on how I could combat this. Would a better indoor antenna do?

Anyone's WSAV OTA signal dead right now?

Appears to be working now

Anybody having problems with WSAV's picture freezing every few minutes on QAM? Or could it be my Samsung STB?

Is anyone else's WJCL not in HD right now? The convention coverage is supposed to be in HD and it isn't.

Is anyone else's WJCL not in HD right now? The convention coverage is supposed to be in HD and it isn't.They wanted it in the least possible resolution so as you could not see right through everyone there. :D Sorry, couldnt resist.

:dthey wanted it in the least possible resolution so as you could not see right through everyone there. :d sorry, couldnt resist.

Looks like 34-1 is broadcasting in HD.

Why am I not surprised that the Florida-Hawaii game on WTGS was not broadcast in HD? Raycom College Football is supposed to be HD.

I noticed they said "in high definition where available" at the beginning of the broadcast so I also wonder why WTGS didn't carry it in HD.

A lot of these "Feeds" are not carried in HD. The Atlanta Falcons preseason game "Feeds" are never in HD but the FOX national coverage of a Preseason Game is always in HD.

Forgive me if this has been covered in a previous post. Does WJCL not broadcast their primetime shows in DD 5.1? All my Digital Tuner will pick up is 2 channel stereo.

Thanks. :)

As of now 11 and 28 DD5 ,3 and 22 are not, but it could be the program. Both 3 and 22 are not HD

WSAV with no HD tonight. That really sucks.

I called them over 30 minutes ago, still no HD. they just said it was a network issue.

I'm so glad I have an antenna, I'm watching it in HD from the Augusta Affiliate.

I'm so glad I have an antenna, I'm watching it in HD from the Augusta Affiliate.So much for the "network issue" excuse.

Since nobody has said anything in 10 days, I wonder if we'll get Oprah, Dr. Phil, Ellen, or Entertainment Tonight in HD, since they are all being offered in HD now. Or when will FOX28 will show us Raycom Sports SEC football in HD?

Since nobody has said anything in 10 days, I wonder if we'll get Oprah, Dr. Phil, Ellen, or Entertainment Tonight in HD, since they are all being offered in HD now. Or when will FOX28 will show us Raycom Sports SEC football in HD?


Or when we will get some CW in HD

My first time to watch WJCL HD OTA NASCAR in on ABC. The mouth is not with the words. How disappointing.

Is it just me.....or does anyone else notice WSAV HD live broadcasts of sports have ever so slight blurs, if you start noticing it can become annoying.

It's not my TV, Ive noticed on two different sets. I do have my antenna running thru my 622 Dish. I never notice this on any other networks nor do I notice it on anything but live HD sports broadcast on WSAV.

Is it just me.....or does anyone else notice WSAV HD live broadcasts of sports have ever so slight blurs, if you start noticing it can become annoying.

It's not my TV, Ive noticed on two different sets. I do have my antenna running thru my 622 Dish. I never notice this on any other networks nor do I notice it on anything but live HD sports broadcast on WSAV.


NBC has some of the worst HD going. It is not just you.

Is it just me.....or does anyone else notice WSAV HD live broadcasts of sports have ever so slight blurs, if you start noticing it can become annoying.

It's not my TV, Ive noticed on two different sets. I do have my antenna running thru my 622 Dish. I never notice this on any other networks nor do I notice it on anything but live HD sports broadcast on WSAV.

From what I've read, it's a combination of your display and the Broadcast. The Olympics, on both WSAV and WAGT out of Augusta produced really bad motion blur, most notably with Olympic Diving. Both stations have a sub channel. Watching the NBA finals on WJBF out of Augusta, with a sub channel, produced really bad motion blur when Transitioning from Graphics on the screen to the actual game play, however on WJCL this phenomena was not present. So there could be some Bit Starvation causing these issues.

Thanks rjknyy and groove93 for the response. Makes sense.

I emailed WGSA(The CW) about two weeks ago asking if they had an idea on when their shows will be in HD. This is the response I just received:

"Ch. 35 is digital and network shows are now upgraded, but will be true HD
within a few days. Tower is located at I95 and SR204"

The CW is now in HD! Somebody from a station was actually right about their time frame for HD!

DirecTV has updated the Local Channels web site and now shows October 8 as the date for Savannah local stations in HD on satellite. Here is the link.

http://directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPageNR.jsp?assetId=3620002

This will be good for those of us out on the fringes where signals are spotty during the day. Of course you need DirecTV's HD package to get them.

DirecTV has updated the Local Channels web site and now shows October 8 as the date for Savannah local stations in HD on satellite. Here is the link.

http://directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPageNR.jsp?assetId=3620002

This will be good for those of us out on the fringes where signals are spotty during the day. Of course you need DirecTV's HD package to get them.


Not to be picky, but it says October 08, not October 8th. Either way, good news:)

It looks like DirecTV subscribers will be getting locals in HD tomorrow. This is according to an insider on dbstalk.com. Unfortunately, it may be minus FOX.

Nothing here. Not yet, anyways.

HD Locals are now working via Direct TV!!!!!

<sigh> Still nothing here. Beautiful...

Did your reboot your system to update the Guide Data?

Did your reboot your system to update the Guide Data?Yep, and signals on 99s are good too. I'm stumped.

I'm assuming your have Duplicates blocked in your guide list as well.

Are they supposed to show up when I'm hiding duplicates? I didn't see them. When I left, they were only showing up in the All Channels list, but no other, and only when showing duplicates. Favorites doesn't have the option to add them. Maybe they need to populate to other channel lists.

I'll see how it looks when I get home. Thanks anyway.

I didn't have to make any changes or adjustments, they just showed up this morning. My DVR has always been set to "Hide SD Duplicates".

Do you use a Favorites list?

They are there, but if you use a Favorites list you have to manually add them. Here is my story with an HR20-100 with "Custom 1" as the Favorites list.

Formerly had all the SD feeds checked (3, 11, 22, etc.). I also have OTA capability and so had the 3-1, 11-1, 22-1, etc., channels in the list and in the guide. Today all my normal old SD locals were automatically removed from the Favorites list. I went in and edited the list to add them back. The ones that were removed were the HD feeds added today: 3, 11 and 22. My 28 and 34 and 9 favorites were still there.

Right now looks like we have ABC, CBS and NBC only with HD feeds. I have "Hide SD Duplicates" enabled, and my new HD local feeds are the plain channel numbers where the SD local formerly were. In other words, 3, 11 and 22 with no dashes or anything.

Do you use a Favorites list?

No Favorites list and after reading Bmeeks response, I am using an HR21-100 which has no OTA capability. So if you have an HR20, you may need to make the those same adjustments. I have an Antenna and I'll keep it for the Augusta Affiliates, unless someone has a workaround besides the AM21.

Fox 28 still SD via Direct TV in prime time while HD OTA is working fine. That's gonna suck for football on sunday for those who cannot get OTA.

CW may also be SD and it was definitely HD via OTA last night.

:(

I appreciate y'alls help, but I found the cause of the trouble. Since the new channels look like the SD channels, I got them confused. I looked right at the new channels and thought they were the old SD channels.

So I found the problem. I'm an idiot. :)

Fox 28 still SD via Direct TV in prime time while HD OTA is working fine. That's gonna suck for football on sunday for those who cannot get OTA.

CW may also be SD and it was definitely HD via OTA last night.

:(

Hopefully we will get FOX soon seeing as they have the same ownership as ABC. I would not expect the CW too soon as it seems only the larger cities have been getting this on DirecTV.

Anybody got a good contact at WTGS to see why they did not launch in HD? WJCL and WTGS are the same owner and share the same building as far as I know. Does not make sense unless it was some weird technical glitch of some kind that will be addressed soon.

I don't see a link on their website for that, but I seem to recall someone posting an email address for the station manager (I think) somewhere in this thread within the last six months or so.

It does seem strange that any station would be left out. If they have agreements to carry all of the SD channels, why would it be any problem with the HD channels? It must be a technical glitch.

[QUOTE=teesee;14791700]I don't see a link on their website for that, but I seem to recall someone posting an email address for the station manager (I think) somewhere in this thread within the last six months or so.

Her is the address for WJCL...I assume Fairbanks runs both stations.

Lynn Fairbanks
President/General Manager
lfairbanks@wjcl.com
912-925-0022

Thanks for the e-mail address. Just sent a note asking about Fox 28. I'll post any reply.

No HD for ABC tonight, someone may be asleep a the switch.

edit:they flipped it about 9:30

Half of the Falcons game on Fox was in SD. The second and third quarters, that is. The first and fourth were in HD. Strange...

Half of the Falcons game on Fox was in SD. The second and third quarters, that is. The first and fourth were in HD. Strange...

This link explains why.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=14788681&postcount=6034

Has anyone received a reply from Fox 28 about their Directv HD problem?

Has anyone received a reply from Fox 28 about their Directv HD problem?


I have not as of yet.

I have not as of yet.

Based upon my past experience with them, you will not receive a reply:mad:

Anyone on Wilmington Island had any issues getting WTOC lately. I was getting it 70-75 until last weekend when I was getting 55-60 and now can not lock onto it. The other channels are good. Using a CM-422 in the attic.

Anyone on Wilmington Island had any issues getting WTOC lately. I was getting it 70-75 until last weekend when I was getting 55-60 and now can not lock onto it. The other channels are good. Using a CM-422 in the attic.

I have also seen a drop in signal from WTOC. Have been testing a small 2 bowtie UHF antenna for my daughter, I get a good signal from all the stations with the antenna inside at a window, get no signal from WTOC.
Both my 4228 at 23 ft and my big CM 1160 at 36 ft get WTOC at 10-15 less signal than other stations.

I guess we'll have to watch the crappy signal from fox 28 on the UGA game today. You would think that could at least have the feed in HD OTA as all Raycom games are now in HD. I even noticed a game in HD from tRyacom on channel 34 last weekend. WTGS is pathetic.

The game broadcast always says it's in HD "where available". WTGS has a digital station, so it should be available. I have a feeling that knowing the reason for their not showing the 12:30 SEC games in HD would be much more frustrating to hear than not knowing what that reason is.

The game broadcast always says it's in HD "where available". WTGS has a digital station, so it should be available. I have a feeling that knowing the reason for their not showing the 12:30 SEC games in HD would be much more frustrating to hear than not knowing what that reason is.

Did you ever think they have what they need to get FOX signal but that may only work with signal from Fox. You can not get Directv with cable box, Raycom may need some special stuff to get HD program

Raycom may need some special stuff to get HD program
I think you are right on the mark! I saw a post in the Macon, GA thread from the engineer for the Fox affiliate in that market where he said they purchased some additional equipment in order to receive the Raycom Sports feed in HD. They added it this year and got it up and running just barely soon enough to broadcast the first Georgia game this season. Perhaps WTGS has not bought the needed equipment.

With WTGS28/WJCL22 track record they may figure it out by next season. Also no HD on Directv or OTA on the FOX NFL game Sunday.

Did you ever think they have what they need to get FOX signal but that may only work with signal from Fox.Did you ever think that you could make such suggestions without being rude? :rolleyes:

I already emailed them twice about not having Raycom in HD, and what a surprise - no response! Even WGSA has Raycom in HD - anybody know why you can't hear the commentators when in HD, but on their ch.13 you can hear them?

Sounds like the perfect Raycom College Football broadcast to me. HD picture without Raycom announcers!

- anybody know why you can't hear the commentators when in HD, but on their ch.13 you can hear them?
My guess would be an improperly decoded and then subsequently re-encoded dolby audio feed. WSAV was famous for that for a while early on, but they have gotten much, much better of late. Basically when this happens the "center" channel is not being broadcast correctly. Since that is where most dialog is located, if it's missing you get either silence or very low audio.

When WSAV used to screw this up with the Law and Order feeds, you would see the actors mouths moving but you could not hear the dialog. On the other hand, background sound effects that were supposed to be in the rear surround channels got moved to front channels and they would blow you out of your chair.

In my opinion, Fox has the best design with their splicer which takes "monkeying around" with the digial audio feed out of the local affiliate's hands. The other guys have to properly decode the network audio feed and then correctly re-encode it for broadcast.

I'm getting E!HD at 87-1 on QAM, and its not supposed to debut til Dec. 8th according to wikipedia, also getting Cartoon Net.HD on 87-3 and NBATV on 105-1.

I'm getting E!HD at 87-1 on QAM, and its not supposed to debut til Dec. 8th according to wikipedia, also getting Cartoon Net.HD on 87-3 and NBATV on 105-1.
Is this through Directv, Comcast, who?

its through Comcast, and they took away E!HD and Cartoon HD, but NBATV is still up.

its through Comcast, and they took away E!HD and Cartoon HD, but NBATV is still up.
Oh, I imagine they encrypted it, therefore you must subscribe to their HD service to get it now.

Lately WTOC, and WSAV have been freezing through my QAM box. Is anyone else having this problem, this never happened till 2 weeks ago, anyone know why this is going on?

Must be problem with cable, OTA is good