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ranger67

03-24-04, 10:04 AM

Let's begin with my conclusion ---- WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, now that's out of the way, I have a TV3 which has been upgraded to a 3+ by having the HD2 replaced with the HD2+ by Dwin. I was previously displaying onto a Dalite Da-Snap Cinemavision (1.3 gain) with decent results. My room has white walls, which I was getting a lot of reflection wash during darker scenes, but was also fully light controlled. I am driving my projector with the Denon 5900 DVD player as my main source. The system had been previously ISF calibrated against the Dalite screen.

The screen arrived in a plywood box. It was completely wrapped in sheets of styrofoam style packing material and styrofoam blocks all the way around. The screen weighs @ 25-30lbs. Its mounting system could be better. The dalite used a rail system which allowed the screen to be slid a little left to right where the Vutec has four hooks which allow NO adjustment. Not a big deal, but hopefully something Vutec can work on. Hanging took about 3 hours. I was working by myself, and only had help for the last 40 mins. to physically place the screen on the wall. The rest of the time was removal of the old screen and measuring and re-measuring where I wanted to place the new screen before drilling holes and seating anchors in the wall. The Da-Snap was lighter and required less anchoring strength. Part of the extra weight has to be attributed to the deluxe frame which I requested. This is undoubtedly the best looking frame I've seen so far, but I'm sure the weight comes from this.

With the screen hung, adjustment at the projector was minor. I centered, zoomed, and focused the picture. I then displayed pluge off of DVE and found that the brightness setting was too low and that contrast was too high. This was not by much. I went from Contrast 56 to 51 and brightness 23 to 26. I did not check colors yet as I will hopefully be able to get my ISF technician in this weekend.

Okay, color saturation was phenomenal. We viewed scenes from "What Dreams may come" as well as "Finding Nemo" and "Waterworld". The picture honestly looks like a 92" plasma. For darks, we watched scenes from "Dark City" and "Hamlet" (don't laugh, the darks in this are actually quite good). We found shadow detail was GREATLY increased. Room reflections were almost eliminated, and we could even turn on off-axis lighting with only minor washout. However, don't turn on on-axis lighting. We have a ceiling fan directly behind the projector that when that light was turned on, washed out the picture dramatically.

Other than that, and to address some of the other comments others have made. The "shimmer" that some others have mentioned in other threads was not visual to my wife at all. I believe I may have noticed it in one scene in "WDMC", but I couldn't testify to it. It's definitely not a an issue that will distract me in ANY way. Rainbow effect was no better or worse than previously seen on the other screen. The off-angle viewing was actually quite good as was previously reported by other individuals. The only negative comment would be in color accuracy, but without calibration I'm not sure if this is permanent or not. I noticed a slight (and I mean SLIGHT) push too blue in the darks and a it seems a red push in the bright scenes. Again, neither of these was a problem, and I'm assuming will calibrate out to some extent.

As to final comments, well I wouldn't recommend one of these screens to anyone who is NOT going to have their projector ISF calibrated. I could easily see where the gain of this screen would have been off the scale had the system not been previously calibrated. And, just like any mass market TV, when/if you have contrast/brightness too high the artifacts are going to be painfully obvious. Of course, if you've bought a TV3, it doesn't make sense to not have the projector calibrated considering the amount you've paid for the projector, this would be a drop in the bucket and the benefits are just too great. All in all, if you don't get this screen, you are really depriving yourself of a beautiful picture. I HIGHLY recommend one to each and every Dwin TV- series owner.

Rob Tomlin

03-24-04, 10:11 AM

Congrats Ranger-

I am still loving my Dwin/Silverstar combo myself! Simply fantastic picture!

pvrnovice

03-24-04, 12:12 PM

Wish I had known about the Silverstar before I bought my Firehawk. Oh well, the Firehawk still looks fantastic.

Update on my Pioneer HDMI to DVI problem:

I took my Pioneer DV-59AVi and HDMI to DVI cable to my brother's place, who has a Samsung rear projection DLP set with DVI. It worked perfectly.

So now I know I have either a problem with my DWIN unit, or the two are incompatible with each other. I'm going to try and find a Denon 5900 to see if it works with my TV3+, since others on this forum seem to be using that combo ok. Any other ideas?

Thanks!

RocketScientist

03-24-04, 07:54 PM

Ranger67,
Thanks for you comments. I have a very similar setup to yours. I have the TV3+ and Vutek 103" screen. My DVD player is one of the new Panasonic DMR-E100H Player/Recorder units. I am using the component output set to 480P - that is the best it will do, no DVI out. I also have a High Def Direct TV setup with the new Hughes HTL -DT unit. It picks up all of our Denver, Co high def local channels very well. It feeds into the TV3+ DVI input. I have approx 60 hours on the TV3+ lamp. I have been holding off on ISF calibration until things have burned in. I fundamentally have the same observations that you stated. I would not trade the Vutek for another screen. I have the Vutek in a shadow box arrangement and my room is a tope color. The Vutek really lights up the room but that hasn't bothered me. I will be interested in your settings when you get calibrated. I will share mine when I get mine done. Again thanks for the report.
Rocket

ftlee

03-24-04, 09:09 PM

Please do not take this the wrong way but, how can you guys be happy spending $1600.00 for an upgrade to the HD2+ chip without the 7-Segment ColorWheel? The chip alone offers minimal improvments at best without the 7-Segment ColorWheel. I know that DWin says that they have their own ColorWheel design and you do not need it but, IMHO, that is company BS.

Also, if their upgrade policy is so great, why is the upgrade $1600.00 but the price difference between a new TV3 and TV3+ is only $500.00?

Curious minds want to know,

Frank

Fred DeGrandis

03-24-04, 10:42 PM

Ranger,

Any chance on getting some screenshots with that new Silverstar?

Thanks,
Fred

dstroot

03-24-04, 10:54 PM

Fred - Did you ever sell your TV3?

- Dan

Randall Morton

03-24-04, 11:44 PM

"Also, if their upgrade policy is so great, why is the upgrade $1600.00 but the price difference between a new TV3 and TV3+ is only $500.00?"

I don't think Dwin is pushing anyone to do the upgrade. I can see why they charge more to do a retrofit than they would for the new projector. For a new projector the plus is as easy to install as the regular HD2. They have to do some sort of calibration for either. On the retrofit they will have to install a chip in an old projector, which means disassembly and reassembly and then they will have to recalibrate the projector and scaler. None of this extra work is required on the initial install. Also if anything goes wrong with the install that they don't catch then they may get the projector back and have to do it again. Not sure about the price now, but a couple months back they quoted me $1500.

PhotoKevin

03-25-04, 01:49 AM

Originally posted by ftlee

Also, if their upgrade policy is so great, why is the upgrade $1600.00 but the price difference between a new TV3 and TV3+ is only $500.00?

Curious minds want to know,

Frank

For the same reason that a car costs more at the parts counter than it does around at the showroom. :)

Kevin

ranger67

03-25-04, 07:36 AM

Ftlee, You may not have seen my previous posts on the upgrade. If you would go back and look, you will find that I only recommended the upgrade to those who absolutely had to have the latest and greatest and would be satisfied with only a slight improvement. I took a chance as was Dwin's first 2 to 2+ upgrade. I do not regret it for myself as I'm a perfectionist. As far as the latest postings, they were about the benefits of the Vutec Silverstar screen. I stand by my comments on the combination of the screen and the TV series of Dwin projectors with one proviso, you have your Dwin ISF calibrated. Out of the box, I believe the Dwin would actually be a little too bright for this screen. However, once calibrated, your projector will lose some lumens and this screen is just FANTASTIC. Everyone who has seen it has made the same comment, "It looks like a 92" plasma, wow!".

RocketScientist, I will definitely share my numbers and comments after calibration. I will definitely be looking forward to seeing your numbers as I believe that with this much gain the green reference setting may need to be reduced. I know and talk with 2 ISF techs. regularly, and they have differing opinions so this will definitely be an interesting experiment.

ranger67

03-25-04, 07:42 AM

Oh, sorry about not addressing the upgrade/cost difference. Dwin has the cost of the chip built in to the price of the new units. If they could remove your HD2 chip and use it for something they might have given us credit towards the upgrade, but I have talked with Dwin and others and based on their cost of the new chip, time and effort for removal, installation, and recalibration, this is actually quite a fair price in my opinion. My question is why would you expect them to provide the upgrade based on the cost delta? I mean, even if they kept the old chip for use in someone's pj, would you want to be the person who bought a new pj with a used chip in it, or maybe have sent your unit in for repair and received a used chip instead of a brand new one?

RocketScientist

03-25-04, 09:00 AM

FTLEE,

I bought mine new in January 04. My dealer had both the DWIN TV3+ and the Sharp 12K side by side using the Vutek screen and the DWIN was an easy selection. You have heard the story - DWIN claims a proprietary wheel- no need to switch to 7 segments. I just based my decision on what I saw.

Rocket

ranger67

03-25-04, 09:05 AM

Fred, I'll be glad to provide screen shots. What movies/scenes would you like. I would suspect Fifth element with LeeLoo looking down off the side of the building, and maybe Dark City. The reason I ask is that I'd like to provide pictures of movies you're either very familiar with or you could easily compare. Of course, there is always the issue of the camera and what colorations it will instill, but I'll do my best.

Thomas Marshall

03-26-04, 01:58 PM

Hi Guys,

Been gone from the forum for a month or so. Wow, were getting close to setting a record for the longest thread.

pvrnovice,

The Pioneer DV-59 is absolutely compatible with the TV3, I've been using it for a few months now and I love it. Finely, a unit that does it all. My D1 and 931 are gathering dust in my closet, so glad to dump them.

photokevin,

I don't believe you can change the aspect ration on the DVI port of the 5900, this is why I purchased the Pioneer, it allows aspect ratio changes with the DVI port.

However, the irony is the TV3 forces the aspect ration back to wide screen on the DVI port even if I change it on my Pioneer (it overrides it).

I'm using component for 4:3 material, which is almost as clean as DVI on the Pioneer unit.

All,

Haven't been keeping up with the screen world lately, does the Silverstar come in larger sizes now (i.e. 11 feet diag)?

ewtroan

03-26-04, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by Thomas Marshall
I don't believe you can change the aspect ration on the DVI port of the 5900, this is why I purchased the Pioneer, it allows aspect ratio changes with the DVI port.

However, the irony is the TV3 forces the aspect ration back to wide screen on the DVI port even if I change it on my Pioneer (it overrides it).

I don't understand this... If the Pioneer is sending out 4x3 DVI with pillar boxes on the side to make it fill a 16x9 screen, why/how would/cold the TV3 override that? It just knows it's getting bits that fill it's micromirror array w/ a 1:1 mapping. I can't imagine the TV3 is doing any scaling of that to throw away those pillar boxes?

Erik

pvrnovice

03-26-04, 02:40 PM

The Pioneer AVi59 is absolutely compatible with the TV3, I've been using it for a few months now and I love it. Finely, a unit that does it all. My D1 and 931 are gathering dust in my closet, so glad to dump them.

Thanks for your input. My Pioneer seems to work ok most of the time via the HDMI out at 480P, but not at 720P - The screen goes black. Are you running out of the Pioneer at 720P? Do you think my problem could be a cable issue? Firmware on the Pioneer? (Maybe this is a non issue, 480P looks fantastic).

Another thing I'm noticing on certain DVD's - during many scene transitions, it looks like I'm seeing scan lines for the first frame or two - like maybe the scaler takes a couple of frames to catch up. Anyone else see this?

Thanks

Fred DeGrandis

03-26-04, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by dstroot
Fred - Did you ever sell your TV3?

- Dan

NOPE:), and I am thanksful I didn't everytime I fire it up to watch a movie.

Fred DeGrandis

03-26-04, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by ranger67
Fred, I'll be glad to provide screen shots. What movies/scenes would you like. I would suspect Fifth element with LeeLoo looking down off the side of the building, and maybe Dark City. The reason I ask is that I'd like to provide pictures of movies you're either very familiar with or you could easily compare. Of course, there is always the issue of the camera and what colorations it will instill, but I'll do my best.

If you have time, that would be great!

The Fifith element and maybe a Lord of the Rings shot(Frodo in the Shire (scene 2 in the FOTR) would show us nice color saturation) would be awesome!

Thanks,
Fred

Thomas Marshall

03-27-04, 09:13 AM

pvrnovice,

Your issues sound very strange to me. I'm using a high quality DVI to HDMI cable myself that works fine.

Did you use the same cable on the test you did on your brothers TV? If so, that rules out the cable, if not I would check it out.

I assume you tested both DVI ports on the TV3.

Under the HDMI Settings (page 74 in the manual) I'm running 1280 x 720P from the pioneer, this is native to the TV3 and it works fine.

I've never seen the scan lines you mentioned either.

One thing is for sure, something isn't right on your setup, I would carefully re-check everything, as well as your initial settings on the Pioneer. If you like, why don't you list your setup settings on the pioneer and I will compare them to mine and see if anything stands out.

ranger67

03-28-04, 02:14 PM

Well, the calibration is complete. Picture is fantastic as I've already posted.

First off, I was remarkably surprised to see the Silverstar tracked beautifully. Coming off a calibrated setup with a DaLite Cinemavision, the Silverstar only required the blue setting to be adjusted. It went from 24 to 21. I was really worried that the SS would not track, but due to the increased brightness we were able to check grayscale tracking right down to 7.5 ire. The grayscale tracked from 6480 through 6550 all the way up to 95 ire, however when pushed to 100 ire I started to run out of red, and the Phillips reported color temp of 7420. As not much really displays between 95 and 100 ire, I'm not really worried about it.

My numbers ended up:
Red - 51
Green - 30
Blue - 21

The TV3+ and the Silverstar are turning out to be a better and better combination. I couldn't be happier.

As far as pictures go, I should be posting them later this upcoming week.
When I recompiled my latest Linux kernel I left out multiple lun support for my card reader. As soon as I have that corrected, I'll post.

PhotoKevin

03-29-04, 01:48 AM

Tom,

I can change the aspect ratio if I feed 480p out the DVI connection of the 5900 and let the TV3+ do the scaling to 720. If I have wide screen material, it seems to work just fine feeding as 720p from the 5900.

I have not done too much direct comparison but my rough wag is that the scaling from the 5900 is better than the T3+. Might be the material that I watch in 4:3.

Four clicks and a twist takes you from 480 to 720 on the 5900. I leave it in 720 except when I watch 4:3 material. Then I switch it when putting the disc.

Kevin

Thomas Marshall

03-29-04, 02:05 PM

Kevin,

Thanks for the update.

andaleon

03-30-04, 11:08 AM

Well I caved in to the right DVI craze. I had the Samsung HD931 but could not stand how it sounds.:( And the way it forces my 4:3 music DVD's to 16:9.

I thought of buying the Denon 5900 but channeled that same amount of money to upgrade my Ayre D-1X.

www.ayre.com

Ayre comfirmed that their DVI does not force a 4:3 into a 16:9.

System description:

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?vaslt&1079454013&read&keyw&zzdwin

ranger67

03-30-04, 03:03 PM

Andaleon, after looking at the Ayre equipment, it looks as if the DVD players they sell only output up to 480p. This means that you would be passing the output to the TV3 scaler for upconversion. Please don't misunderstand, but I find the Faroudja based scaling in the Denon to be far superior to Dwin's, and any of the DVD players with DVI out can be set to 480p and function just like Ayre's equipment. So, my question becomes, why would you choose the Ayre over the other available players of comparable quality that are out there?

Originally posted by andaleon
Well I caved in to the right DVI craze. I had the Samsung HD931 but could not stand how it sounds.:( And the way it forces my 4:3 music DVD's to 16:9.

I thought of buying the Denon 5900 but channeled that same amount of money to upgrade my Ayre D-1X.

www.ayre.com

Ayre comfirmed that their DVI does not force a 4:3 into a 16:9.

System description:

http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?vaslt&1079454013&read&keyw&zzdwin

Rob Tomlin

03-30-04, 03:07 PM

Good point Ranger.

I was going to ask the same thing, since I am still in the market for a good universal player with DVI out. 720p output is a must.

I am considering the Pioneer, but I am still concerned about the apparent lack of ability to control the AR with 4:3 material.

PhotoKevin

03-30-04, 03:21 PM

The only time I have problems with AR is when the disc is mixed. For 4:3 stuff (the wife's West Wing, my Futurama and Dilbert) I just set the 5900 to 480p and set the TV3+ to standard. For all other material I set it to 720p and I do think that looks better. When watching the extra stuff on a DVD sometime it is in 4:3. I usually just watch it distorted. Else, it is walk across the room and 4 clicks and a turn and I get the correct AR. I buy as much as I can in widescreen. If it is an older movie and just in 4:3, I set it when I pop the movie in. Even the wife can do it. :)

I guess I don't really understand what the beef is with AR control. If you could get a player with 720p with AR control in the player, the PQ might be better.

Is there such an animal?

Kevin

Rob Tomlin

03-30-04, 03:36 PM

Is there such an animal?

Yes.

It's called the Bravo D1, and I already own one! :)

The Bravo handles aspect ratio's, including 4:3 material, very well, and still outputs 720p.

But I want a Universal player (with DVD-A and SACD capability) that does AR control as good as the Bravo with 720p DVI output.

Is there such an animal?

andaleon

03-30-04, 04:13 PM

Ranger67 asks:

"So, my question becomes, why would you choose the Ayre over the other available players of comparable quality that are out there?"

I loaned both the Denon 5900 and Ayre DX-7 and compared the two. The Ayre DX-7 uses the same DVI circuits as the DVI Ayre D-1X.

I set the Denon at 720P and, you are right, no option but 480P on the Ayre. IMHO, the Ayre produced a much more natural color. Flesh tones are just right! The Denon has more vivid colors but my eyes tell me that the Ayre is more natural.

On your argument that the Faroudja chipset internally does a better job than the Dwin, I agree. Looking back to old my Samsung HD931. Somehow the 720P out of the Samsung is better than handing over 480P DVI and let the Dwin scale. I was worried that I will be facing the same thing with the 480P Ayre.

But I did my homework- an A/B comparison. And IMHO, the Ayre won over the Denon.

Plus, the Ayre sounds sooooooooo much better!

Of course, the Ayre cost soooo much more too!

Talking retail prices. The Ayre D-1X is $6000.00 plus $2000 for the upgrade! Heck, you can buy at least four Denon 5900 for that!

bhuskins

03-30-04, 04:25 PM

Nice mini-review Anthony!

Brent Huskins
Media Design

PhotoKevin

03-30-04, 04:41 PM

Thanks for the info Anthony. The Denon would win over the Ayre for me on the pocket book scale. :)

Hard for me to compare many units as, AV speaking, I do live at the end of the world.

Kevin

pvrnovice

03-30-04, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by Thomas Marshall
pvrnovice,

Your issues sound very strange to me. I'm using a high quality DVI to HDMI cable myself that works fine.

Did you use the same cable on the test you did on your brothers TV? If so, that rules out the cable, if not I would check it out.

I assume you tested both DVI ports on the TV3.

Under the HDMI Settings (page 74 in the manual) I'm running 1280 x 720P from the pioneer, this is native to the TV3 and it works fine.

I've never seen the scan lines you mentioned either.

One thing is for sure, something isn't right on your setup, I would carefully re-check everything, as well as your initial settings on the Pioneer. If you like, why don't you list your setup settings on the pioneer and I will compare them to mine and see if anything stands out.

Tom, thanks for the help my settings are:

DWIN: Input = DVI1, format=anamorphic

Pioneer:

Initial settings - options - hdmi settings -
-Resolution = 720X480P (this works) 1280X720P (this does not work)
-Aspect Ration = 16:9 (wide)
-Video memory = Direct

Thanks!

-Luke (pvrnovice)

Thomas Marshall

03-31-04, 03:57 PM

Rob,

I'm not sure the Pioneer is the problem with 4:3 material, I need to test this with another DVI capable PJ to prove it. At this point I think it's the TV3 that's causing the problem.

For me it's almost a non-issue anyway as I rarely watch 4:3 material, and when I do I run it through the Component feed which is darn near as good as the DVI feed.

The main reason for buying the Pioneer for me was the CD side of things and I just couldn't stand the Bravo and Samsung units as they aren't up to par with all my other equipment. Kind of like putting Volkswagen tires on my Porsche :)

I'll be giving you a call soon, I'd like to come out and see your Silverstar again.

Rob Tomlin

03-31-04, 06:33 PM

Not a problem Tom, let me know.

I'm suppose to be hooking up with Glenn for the same reason!

I agree with you about the Bravo and Samsung not measuring up in terms of CD quality, which is why I am interested in the Pioneer (I want SACD and DVD-A as well). But I do watch quite a bit of older classic movies that are in 4:3 AR, so I need that function to work properly through DVI.

I wonder what the Dwin would be doing to force 4:3 material to 16:9?

scottsol

03-31-04, 08:01 PM

The Dwin, as well as almost every other display out there, interprets all 720P and 1080i sources as HD. As a result it locks into the anamorphic mode which is de rigeur for HD. DVD players can get around this by applying a reverse anamorphic squeeze when instructed to.

The Ayre DVI out, for example, doesn't have this problem simply because it has no scaler, so the output is 480P and not interpreted as HD. With scaling players that don't have a 4:3 option you must change the output from 720p to 480p to get the Dwin out of anamorphic lock.

Rob Tomlin

03-31-04, 10:58 PM

Makes sense.

That being said, I don't have to make any adjustments whatsoever to my Bravo when playing 4:3 material (and it is set to output 720p via DVI).

andaleon

03-31-04, 11:55 PM

What makes the Bravo D1 immune to this?

What makes my HTPC immune also? The other DVI input of my Dwin is for my HTPC. Resolution of the Radeon 9800 Pro Card is set at 1280 X 720. However, when I play 4:3 DVD's on it (sound sucks, even with a M-Audio revolution sound card in it) the picture does not stretch.

Is there something in common with the Bravo D1 and the a computer output? Could the Bravo be emmulating a PC output that does not force an anamorphic lock.

What is different between a Bravo 720P DVI out and a Samsung HD931/Denon 5900 720P DVI output.

ewtroan

04-01-04, 09:24 AM

Originally posted by andaleon
What makes the Bravo D1 immune to this?

What makes my HTPC immune also? The other DVI input of my Dwin is for my HTPC. Resolution of the Radeon 9800 Pro Card is set at 1280 X 720. However, when I play 4:3 DVD's on it (sound sucks, even with a M-Audio revolution sound card in it) the picture does not stretch.

I'm almost positive the Bravo is smart enough to add the pillar boxes on the side when you don't switch it; the Bravo and your HTPC both know enough to do their own aspect ratio control and always send an anamorphic 720p signal. You can verify this by trying to get the Dwin to flip aspect ratios when you put 4x3 source material in the HTPC; if it doesn't work then the aspect ratio control is being done on the computer.

The complaint about the Denon 5900 (well, *this* complaint) is that it doesn't allow aspect ratio control, and many (myself included) believe that not only should the box that's doing the scaling also do the AR control, but that displays which take DVI (or HDMI) input have absolutely no business messing with a signal which pixel-for-pixel matches the display device's resolution.

Erik

andaleon

04-01-04, 11:09 AM

Good post Erik,

"the Bravo know enough to do their own aspect ratio control "

Take note Faroudja, if a $200 Bravo D1 is smart enough is do this, should we not expect the same for $2000 Denon 5900?

Of course, this only matters for those who consider automatic AR control a very good thing to have.

ewtroan

04-01-04, 11:15 AM

Originally posted by andaleon
"the Bravo know enough to do their own aspect ratio control "

Take note Faroudja, if a $200 Bravo D1 is smart enough is do this, should we not expect the same for $2000 Denon 5900?

Of course, this only matters for those who consider automatic AR control a very good thing to have.

Actually, it matters to almost everyone who wants to watch 4x3 material on a 16x9 screen w/o it getting stretched. There aren't many displays which will perform aspect control on 720p or 1080i (which is why digital stations broadcast pillarboxes for 4x3 material rather then depending on the display box to compress it).

Erik

Charles Hansen

04-01-04, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by ewtroan
I'm almost positive the Bravo is smart enough to add the pillar boxes on the side when you don't switch it; the Bravo and your HTPC both know enough to do their own aspect ratio control and always send an anamorphic 720p signal.

If this is true, then these devices must be relying on the flags on the disc to know what the aspect ratio is. (They can't just "look" at the data on the disc and decide what the proper aspect ratio is.) One problem here is that some discs are mis-flagged in this regard. So you would still want to have a manual override to watch misflagged discs in their proper aspect ratio.

scottsol

04-02-04, 06:46 PM

Unless the machines just look for the "anamorphic" flag on the assumption that all widescreen movies are anamorphic . Of course the result would be a windowboxed image with any of the old letterboxed DVDs.

Charles Hansen

04-02-04, 10:01 PM

Actually, I believe there are three flags -- standard (4:3), anamorphic, and letterboxed. So if a scaling DVD player that was outputting a high-def resolution (eg, 720p) could read the flags, presumably it could choose to do nothing to an anamorphic image, add pillarbars to a 4:3 image, or "zoom" a letterboxed image.

HDJ

04-03-04, 01:01 AM

Have any other DWIN owners noticed the lack of reviews of the TV-3?

Neither Widescreen Review nor Perfect Vision has tested it.

No mention in Home Theater either (although I canceled that subscription, so I may have missed a very recent test result).

I suspect DWIN's lack of advertising dollars may be at the heart of it.

What do you folks think?

yowzer

04-03-04, 11:30 AM

Just wanted to jump in and say I'm the proud new owner of a TV3+.... On March 31st I received my Denon 5803A & 5900. Then on April 2nd I got the TV3+... A lot to do all at once but I have all basic connections up and running including the DVI connection from the 5900... I replaced a Sony 10HT and what a difference... After I put some time on the bulb I'll run DVE and or AVIA on it. So far I'm a happy camper... Wish to thank Jason at AV Science for the quick delivery of all products.

Thomas Marshall

04-05-04, 04:29 PM

Congrats yowzer, I still love my TV3, we watched the Super bit version of Lawrence of Arabia and the re-mastered version of Dr Zhivago this weekend and the TV3 never looked better, man are those movies a work of art, and the DTS sound track on LOA was mind boggling.

I'll give 480P a try with 4:3 material (also a problem on Letterbox material as well) on the Pioneer for DVI. As I recall it looks excellent as well.

Rob,

Yes, I talked to Glen and he's going to let me know when he sets up the demo/test with you. I'm looking forward to seeing the Sharp 12k as well.

Rob Tomlin

04-05-04, 06:29 PM

It's great to see that you not only have great taste in projectors, but movies as well! Lawrence of Arabia is my favorite movie of all time, and I truly consider it the best movie ever made. I love Doctor Zhivago as well. Looks like you had a David Lean weekend!

I will be interested to see what happens with the Pioneer sending 480P with 4:3 material to the Dwin (and letterbox DVD's). I am trying to be patient, but I really would like a good Universal player (with DVD-A and SACD), ASAP. It's just a matter of finding a good quality one that also does the 4:3 and letterbox DVD's correctly.

Anyway, I am interested in seeing the Sharp 12000 on the Silverstar as well, to see how an HD2+ pj stands up against the Dwin TV3.

samalmoe

04-05-04, 08:39 PM

just switched from tv3 to sharp 12000 on a hipower...the sharp has more contrast even on full power..picture quality is about the same. also i think the sharp might be a bit sharper. npi

ewtroan

04-06-04, 09:32 AM

Originally posted by samalmoe
just switched from tv3 to sharp 12000 on a hipower...the sharp has more contrast even on full power..picture quality is about the same. also i think the sharp might be a bit sharper. npi

Have you compared it to a tv3+? I'm curious how much of it is the HD2+ versus the rest of the projector. I've got the tv3+ and it is somewhat better then a tv3 I think (not a huge amount, but you're not describing a big difference between the tv3 and 12k).

Erik

samalmoe

04-06-04, 02:15 PM

nope..no tv3 plus comparison...but it seems these puppies are all about the same.. i switched to the sharp so i could center mount it to get the full blast of the hipower..it works. on my 12foot wide screen that picture is really bright.

tvuong

04-09-04, 05:29 PM

Hi all,
It's been a long while since my last post. Anyway, It seems like most of us still enjoys that TV3 picture. I remember there were a few posts here earlier stating the setting for contrast, brightness, color, tint and sharpness. Can someone please post your setting? any changes lately? The reason is that after calibrating my TV3 with avia, My DVD picture looks good but HDTV looks very gray. I guest DVD and HDTV have different setting. How do y'all calibrate for HD? What is your setting for DVD and HDTV? I know every room, screen size and material are different but just want to know how close everyone's setting is. Not sure if I calibrated correctly with Avia, Anyway my result is:
Contrast-64
Brightness-92 ----->Perhaps this is why picture looks gray with HD
Color-61
Tint-71
Sharpness-2
Any help would be appreciated. I use 110" Studiotech 130 screen, Panny RP91 component out, Zenith 520 HD tuner DVI out, and room is completely dark.

Toan

Randall Morton

04-09-04, 05:52 PM

Your Brightness seems way out of line. I have 2600 hrs on my bulb and am at 35 on brightness. It was lower when the bulb was newer.

vegashomes

04-09-04, 11:17 PM

Randall,

Could you post your other settings?

Randall Morton

04-10-04, 12:51 PM

Contrast 95
Brightness 38
Color 50
Tint 50
Sharpness 0

These are the setting I use with my STB input(Component) mostly watching
high definition. Your setting probably won't be the same. You should
use Avia to determine what settings would be best for your Dwin or other
calibration tools which are available. I have never been in the service
menu so I'm sure a professional calibration on my projector would help,
but I am very satisfied the way it is set now.

cgauntt

04-11-04, 08:48 PM

Is it a pretty safe bet that each projector is unique in that one person's ISF calibrated settings will not be the right answer for the next person, even if they are using the same screen, source, etc. . . ? Awhile back, I used someone elses settings who had the same basic setup as me and the results, in my opinion, were not as good as the factory settings.

Also, doesn't Dwin claim that each projector is calibrated before it leaves their factory? If this is the case, why would different people's settings be so different from the factory settings.

Thanks,

Chad

Toxarch

04-12-04, 12:46 AM

DWIN claims a lot of things that might be true or not. They claim a 6500K setting at the factory. Some say it's more like 8500K. Mine was not 6500K even after sending it back in to be fixed and recalibrated.

ewtroan

04-12-04, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by Toxarch
DWIN claims a lot of things that might be true or not. They claim a 6500K setting at the factory. Some say it's more like 8500K. Mine was not 6500K even after sending it back in to be fixed and recalibrated.

As point of reference I adjusted the brightness and contrast (I couldn't remember settings for color and tint) during the Masters, and everyone in the room agreed that the display was much, much better. The reds were pretty far off, but that's hardly surprising given the changes I made! I guess I need to spend some quality time with DVE until i get an ISF calibration done. I'm a little hesitant to get a really good calibration done right now as I'm sharing a single component input between HDTV and DVD right now (waiting for a DVI DVD player I think it worth the money).

Anyone here have a feel for how many hours should be on a bulb before bothering with a professional calibration?

Erik

Don Landis

04-16-04, 06:46 PM

Randall- You answered my question. Didn't have to look far. I wondered what hours others were getting on their bulb. I just checked and still great picture at 2868 hours.

Been quite busy with other things work related and PVR stuff so I have been just taking my TV3 for granted. It works!

We also bought a new 17" LCD HDTV for the new Kitchen. I'm considering adding a cable HD tuner for that. It's mainly for the wife to watch regular TV so we won't be cranking up the HT TV3 early in the evening any more.

Rob Tomlin

04-16-04, 07:41 PM

I will finally be hooking up an HD feed to my Dwin.

I have decided to take the plunge and give Voom a try! I am really looking forward to seeing more HD on the Dwin, since the only HD I have been seeing on it is when I put in a D-Theater tape!

I've been pretty lucky with my Dwin overall, other than the solarization problem which was quickly remedied. As Don says, "it just works"!

Don Landis

04-16-04, 09:06 PM

Hope you find VMM satisfactory. Many are not happy with the overly compressed quality lately. Hopefuilly with all the recent complaints they do something about it. One of the VOOM forum's moderators even resigned over it.
Locally, we just got PBS HD and the quality from PBS seems to be the best I have ever seen on my TV3. Just stunning video quality. Beyond that it's Dishnetwork PQ on Discovery HD and HDNET. CBS and the other movie channels look soft by comparison as they are mostly film conversions.

Rob Tomlin

04-16-04, 10:33 PM

I have been keeping tabs on the situation. The PQ issue appears to have been resolved.

Having Wilt Hildebrandt (sp?) on the Yahoo group is a huge advantage. He confirmed the PQ problem and helped fix it.

With the current offer (Zero up front costs, free installation, can rent the STB's instead of purchase, and no long term commitment) I really can't lose.

If I am not satisfied, they can come pick up their stuff, I am not out any money. Then I can call DishNetwork up and reconnect.

Dish has hardly proven itself to be the "High Definition Leader"! Some of the comments during the last Charlie Chat were ridiculous (yes, we want more HD, but we will only give it to you if we think it's good programming).

Voom offers much more when it comes to HD than Dish. No contest.

Don Landis

04-17-04, 02:52 AM

"With the current offer (Zero up front costs, free installation, can rent the STB's instead of purchase, and no long term commitment) I really can't lose."

Didn't know they changed the enrollment plan. But, that's at least making the switch less painful.

Back to TV3-

I have been noticing something strange the last two nights. After about 3-4 hours of operation the TV-3 goes out. I can shut it off for 5 minutes and turn it back on again. Picture looks great after a normal warm up! Plenty of air flow and not seem to be overheating. I am assuming this is a symptom that the bulb is on it's last hours of operation. Can anyone else verify these symptoms as a bulb pre-death symptom?

Randall Morton

04-17-04, 03:02 AM

I would guess bulb. If mine starts doing that I would go ahead and change at this point, although I am hoping to get 3000 hrs. The picture is still good. On my old LT150 at 1500 hrs(1000hr bulb) the picture got really dark but the bulb did not die. The bulb on my TV3 at 2742 hours is still plenty bright.

I know when I put the new bulb in I will be thinking "This picture is really bright". Since the dimming is so gradual you don't realize how much you have lost until the new bulb goes in.

RocketScientist

04-17-04, 09:55 AM

Don, Regarding your question on the projector quitting and then being able to restart the picture. A am assuming the fan is still running - etc. Do you get a digital mosaic look before it goes? My first TV3+ did this and it had to go back to the factory. My dealer never told me what the problem was. Rocket.

Don Landis

04-17-04, 02:53 PM

It just goes out without warning. I'll keep tabs on it but if it becomes annoying, I'll go ahead and swap the bulb. The fans also continue to run.

I'm also going to query Dwin.

Anyway, it gets a rest for a week as I'm at NAB.

fafrd

04-24-04, 08:28 PM

So I finally took the plunge and got a TV3+. This thread is now so long that's it's a major time investment to slog through it all, and in addition, it's quite old now, in terms of some of the recommendations, etc... so I thought I would ask all the experts their opinion on the next few decisions I have to make:

1/ best DVI-out progressive DVD player for use with the TV3? (<$400)

2/ best screen for use with TV3? (I'm considering Studiotek 130 or Silverstar)

3/ best/easiest method to perform calibration myself?

Any help appreciated - the DVD player is my top priority since I have a DIY screen and the picture out of the box already looks pretty great!

-fafrd

p.s. for what it's worth, the dimple reduction is very noticable to me between HD2 and HD2+. From normal viewing distance it is probably not a big deal but even up very close to the screen with the TV3+ there is really very little noticable dimple to speak of, and I suspect this must translate into an increased C/R or brightness by a few % or so...

Rob Tomlin

04-24-04, 10:32 PM

Congrats on purchasing a great projector!

1) I think the best sub $400 DVI DVD player is still the Bravo from V Inc. The Samsung doesn't properly scale 4:3 material, and adds a bit of Edge Enhancement to the picture as well.

2) I think the two screens you are considering are probably the best for this PJ. Since you have the TV+ (which supposedly has slightly better black levels) you probably don't need to consider a Firehawk (unless you don't have complete light control). I personally have the SilverStar and I really like it. My best advice would be to try and see both screens in action for yourself.

3) Purchase Digital Video Essentials DVD!

And have fun!

cgauntt

04-24-04, 10:40 PM

fafrd

You have a pm.

Chad

fafrd

04-25-04, 03:11 AM

Rob,

thanks for the reply. I'm leaning towards the new LG dvd player / HD reciever combo - does anyone with a TV3 have experience with that? (and yes, I realize that I'm going a tad over my $400 budget :) )

For the digital video essentials DVD, will the 'NTSC' DVD work, or do I need the HD version (which seems to be in HDVHS)?

thanks,

-fafrd

Rob Tomlin

04-25-04, 10:03 AM

The NTSC dvd is what you need to calibrate the DVD player.

If you purchase a JVC D-Theater tape player, you will need the tape version (720p version).

I can't remember where, but the JVC D-Theater player can be purchased for $279.99 (refurbished)!!!

fafrd

04-25-04, 07:55 PM

Thanks Rob. I tsounds like the NTSC DVD should be enough for me to get the basics squared away...

Incidentally, I took the plunge and bought the LG 3510a today. The set-up was going fine until I tried a DVD through the DVI cable, when I got an HDCP error.

The TV3 is HDCP compliant, correct? Is there anything I need to configure to 'activate' HDCP compliance?

Do I need any specific type of DVI cable? I'm using a single-link DVI-D cable. Do I need dual link or anything else specific?

Is there anything else to making this HDCP-compliance stuff work?

As you can imagine, I am very frustrated being so close and yet so far!! Any help you (or anyonle else who wants to pitch in :) ) can give me would be most welcome...

-fafrd

cgauntt

04-25-04, 08:19 PM

The TV3 is HDCP compliant and uses the DVI-D cable. That's all the help I can supply. I've used three different DVI players with no issues with mine.

Good luck.

Rob Tomlin

04-25-04, 09:40 PM

Yeah, I don't know what to say either. It sounds like it might be an issue with the DVD player?

Where did you get the DVI cable?

Do you know anyone who has another DVI source they can bring to your house to try? This would help narrow down the problem.

fafrd

04-25-04, 10:07 PM

The DVI-cable is a single-link DVI-D cable. It was the cable that came with my Radeon card and I've been using it with my digital TFT.

Do you guys use single-link or dual-link DVI-D cables?

I could hook up my HTPC to the DWIN - is there a way that would allow me to check that the DWIN is correctly providing DHCP compliance?

Everything works with component and the picture is great - I'd just like to know if there is something wrong with my TV3, especially since I went to all the trouble of finding a DVD player with DVI out...

-fafrd

Toxarch

04-25-04, 11:44 PM

If you bought your TV3 when they first came out, then they were not HDCP compliant. There were only a few of us here that had one of those and it took a chip replacement by our dealers to have it updated.

I use a dual link DVI-D cable between my DVD player and TV3 but a single link cable should work fine.

sbaillar

04-26-04, 09:52 AM

Originally posted by Don Landis
It just goes out without warning. I'll keep tabs on it but if it becomes annoying, I'll go ahead and swap the bulb. The fans also continue to run.

Don,

I had the same/similar problem. First it happened after an hour or so of viewing. It would start to "solarize" and flash pos/neg in certain spots and then go out. I waited for a few minutes it might come back...otherwise it seems to just power on, fan on, then flash the led, then off. It got to the point where that viewing time got shorter and shorter.

It doesn't sound like the bulb since it works. My understanding is that it will work or it won't. I had to send mine back to Dwin to get it fixed unfortunately. I only had 100 hours or so on it when this happened. It's been perfect ever since.

-sonny

Don O'Brien

04-26-04, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by fafrd
Thanks Rob. I tsounds like the NTSC DVD should be enough for me to get the basics squared away...

Incidentally, I took the plunge and bought the LG 3510a today. The set-up was going fine until I tried a DVD through the DVI cable, when I got an HDCP error.

The TV3 is HDCP compliant, correct? Is there anything I need to configure to 'activate' HDCP compliance?

Do I need any specific type of DVI cable? I'm using a single-link DVI-D cable. Do I need dual link or anything else specific?

Is there anything else to making this HDCP-compliance stuff work?

As you can imagine, I am very frustrated being so close and yet so far!! Any help you (or anyonle else who wants to pitch in :) ) can give me would be most welcome...

-fafrd
Go to this (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3339383&highlight=HDCP#post3339383) post. It appears your 3510a may need a firmware upgrade.

ranger67

04-26-04, 10:41 AM

My nephew came to visit this weekend and brought his Xbox which he wanted to see at 1080i. I was able to get a picture at 1080i, but the lower right hand corner had what looked like five small boxes which were replays of what was on the rest of the screen. Has anyone else seen this? For video I usually feed 720p and setting the xbox to 720p cured the problem, however I'm interested in finding out just why this happened at the 1080i setting. I'm going to try Dwin later today, but wanted to list it here first.

Toxarch

04-27-04, 02:29 AM

Originally posted by ranger67
My nephew came to visit this weekend and brought his Xbox which he wanted to see at 1080i.

Just so you know, even if you feed it 1080i, you won't see 1080i. The scaler will convert everything to 720p because that is the resolution of the DLP chip in the projector. And please share if you can figure out the problem after calling DWIN.

ranger67

04-27-04, 07:20 AM

Toxarch, I am familiar with the physical limitations of the DMD chip. I was concerned as I have seen products which display either 1080i or 480p and have no middle ground settings. I would hate it if I came into possession of something like this and then discovered the problem. I did not believe that the 1080 signal was being displayed unchanged.

I hope to get this problem resolved for my own piece of mind.

ranger67

05-05-04, 10:31 AM

I really hate that I can be this happy about something like this but -----

DING DONG the witch is dead - Roger of Dwin's tech. support is no longer with the company. I talked with Dwin today and they are interviewing for replacements. Ed is trying to cover until they find a replacement.

cgauntt

05-05-04, 11:10 AM

I just got a DirectTV HR10-250 - the HD DVR. The signal from it to the Dwin is HDMI to DVI at 720p and there is a shift of the entire picture about three inches to the right. My DVD picture is properly aligned using the same connection and resolution. Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks,

Chad

GeorgeM

05-08-04, 06:10 PM

Chad,

Did you find a solution? I am expecting my 250 in a week or so and will be connecting it to the TV3 also.

George M

cgauntt

05-09-04, 08:38 AM

George,

Unfortunately, the only solution I have is to have either my DVD or 250 picture slightly off center. I chose the 250 picture. Then I just zoom it out a little to fill the screen. I have a call into Directv Advanced TS and will post any solution here when and if they have one.

Chad

P.S. You're going to be blown away by the 250!

Fred DeGrandis

05-09-04, 03:29 PM

I just ordered a custom hushbox from Whisperflow for my TV3, and I will report my findings after it comes in.

NormP

05-09-04, 06:19 PM

Fred, I look forward to you report, I've been looking at a Wisperflow for my TV3. Are you mounting it directly to the ceiling?

All the best
Norm

Fred DeGrandis

05-10-04, 07:52 AM

Norm,

Yes I am. I am actually mounting it over the existing mount that I have for the TV3 now.

Dave @ whisperflow makes these custom per your specs.

pvrnovice

05-10-04, 11:44 PM

In case anyone was wondering, I fixed my 720P problem with my TV3+ and Pioneer Elite DV-59AVI.

It seems that the quality of the cable really does make a difference. When I replaced the no-name 2 meter HDMI to DVI cable with a 1 meter Monster cable of the same type, 720P came in load and clear - a fantastic picture.

Unfortunately, the rear left channel of my Denon 3600DTS just went out. Oh well.

-Luke (pvrnovice)

PS. Think I should fix or upgrade? Why? Thx.

ewtroan

05-11-04, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by pvrnovice
In case anyone was wondering, I fixed my 720P problem with my TV3+ and Pioneer Elite DV-59AVI.

It seems that the quality of the cable really does make a difference. When I replaced the no-name 2 meter HDMI to DVI cable with a 1 meter Monster cable of the same type, 720P came in load and clear - a fantastic picture.

Have you compared the picture quality using 720P to 480P? I'd think that the TV3+ has a pretty good scalar (it should for the money!) and I'm curious if the scalar in the Pioneer is any better.

Also, have you looked to make sure the Pioneer is passing blacker then black over the HDMI to DVI conversion?

Erik

Daniel Hutnicki

05-11-04, 01:21 PM

DING DONG the witch is dead - Roger of Dwin's tech

Am I to assume by that comment, that you didnt like Roger?

ranger67

05-11-04, 01:32 PM

Yes, if you look back in this thread, you will find that many people did not like Roger. He was often condescending and rude. I don't wish the worst for anyone including Roger, but Dwin REALLY needed to let him go or let him become one of the techs who were not on the phone with customers.

bhuskins

05-11-04, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by Fred DeGrandis
I just ordered a custom hushbox from Whisperflow for my TV3, and I will report my findings after it comes in.

I've used Dave's Whisperflow units on a couple of TV3 jobs in the past. He can make it in any color you want as well.

I'll post some picks of the most unique install we did using the Whisperflow.

We actually hung the Whiperflow with a TV3 from a 10 foot long pipe that was also utilized as the exhaust. An attic mounted fan pulled air out.

It worked great. Very silent and looked very cool.

Remember, if you're going to mount this directly to the ceiling they tend to be fairly large. Mounting a projector on a low ceilings can cause an eyesore to begin with and then if you add the Whisperflow...

Anyway, here are some pics...

Brent Huskins
Media Design

bhuskins

05-11-04, 02:24 PM

EDITED...pics below...

thanks,

Brent Huskins
Media Design

Skypalace

05-12-04, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by cgauntt
George,

Unfortunately, the only solution I have is to have either my DVD or 250 picture slightly off center. I chose the 250 picture. Then I just zoom it out a little to fill the screen. I have a call into Directv Advanced TS and will post any solution here when and if they have one.

Chad

P.S. You're going to be blown away by the 250!

I've been waiting for any HD source until I saw some experiences with the HD-DVR250s (I can't get terrestrial HD as I have a big hill between me and towers, and Comcast doesn't want my business enough to plow a cable for me, and I'm so used to Tivo I didn't want to bother with a regular HD receiver as an interim solution), so I've been curious for any issues with the 250 and the TV3.

Do you use the HDMI input into the TV3 DVI? Whether this works was one of my Q's.

If so, are you saying that you use the same DVI input for both, and thus can't use horizontal picture adjustment? Or that the DVI inputs don't allow horiz adjust thus you can't alternate between both? Is your DVD on the other DVI? (I have a Bravo D1 so this would be the case for me). I can't remember offhand (and aren't at home to try) if DVI horiz adjust is available.

Have you looked at DVI versus Component picture quality? Perhaps Component is good enough that you could use it for the 250 and thus use the horiz adjustment - I know some people with certain DVD players and projector combos say component vs DVI gives them better picture quality.

cgauntt

05-12-04, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by Skypalace
I've been waiting for any HD source until I saw some experiences with the HD-DVR250s (I can't get terrestrial HD as I have a big hill between me and towers, and Comcast doesn't want my business enough to plow a cable for me, and I'm so used to Tivo I didn't want to bother with a regular HD receiver as an interim solution), so I've been curious for any issues with the 250 and the TV3.

Do you use the HDMI input into the TV3 DVI? Whether this works was one of my Q's.

If so, are you saying that you use the same DVI input for both, and thus can't use horizontal picture adjustment? Or that the DVI inputs don't allow horiz adjust thus you can't alternate between both? Is your DVD on the other DVI? (I have a Bravo D1 so this would be the case for me). I can't remember offhand (and aren't at home to try) if DVI horiz adjust is available.

Have you looked at DVI versus Component picture quality? Perhaps Component is good enough that you could use it for the 250 and thus use the horiz adjustment - I know some people with certain DVD players and projector combos say component vs DVI gives them better picture quality.

I am using the HDMI input into the TV3 via the included HDMI to DVI cable which was included with the unit. It works great, though I've been wondering if, perhaps, the picture shift is due to some type of timing issue related to the cable. I have not tried to use the component inputs off this unit because if the HDMI is plugged into the DVR, the component and analog outputs are disabled, preventing any type of A/B comparisons. Still, the DVI output is stunning even in SD material. The HD material is unbelievable.

I'm not aware of a horizontal adjustment that I can use to move this picture.

bhuskins

05-12-04, 11:17 PM

OK, I figured out how to post them here...enjoy...

http://webpages.charter.net/huskins/tv3a.jpg

http://webpages.charter.net/huskins/tv3b.jpg

http://webpages.charter.net/huskins/tv3c.jpg

http://webpages.charter.net/huskins/tv3d.jpg

http://webpages.charter.net/huskins/tv3e.jpg

Brent Huskins
Media Design

Toxarch

05-13-04, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by Daniel Hutnicki
Am I to assume by that comment, that you didnt like Roger?

You seem surprised. Roger was the worst person to talk to and it was like pulling nails trying to get something done. He always said nothing was ever wrong with any of their projectors. I had to argue with him just to get him to understand that there are many problems with my projector. It's been in for repairs twice and still hasn't been fixed. He told Brent that they would buy the projector back and then says that he never said that. I'm glad he's gone and I feel sorry for whoever hires him next. He needs to stay away from jobs that involve him talking to anyone outside the company.

Brent, that is a pretty cool install of the Whisper Flow. Any airflow problems with the projector cables going up the exhaust? The only thing I wouldn't like is that you can't adjust the lens tilt once it's in the box.

bhuskins

05-13-04, 02:14 AM

No airflow problems except that it initially was pulling too much air through the box, if you can believe it. We had to turn the attic fan down to get a good balance of silence and cooling. It keeps it very cool and is as quiet of an installation that I've seen with the projector so close to the seating.

The front of the Whisperflow comes off with 4 screws, so actually you can adjust the lens tilt and focus, etc. then put the front plate on to finish the look.

Dave does a great job on the boxes. He'll take the time to work with anyone that has special requirements (as I had on this job.) I actually used a toilet flange on the top of the box to attach the unit to the pipe. We did the same thing in the attic in reverse. I sure hope that joint holds - :D :D :D :eek: :eek: :eek:

Oh yeah, we used some set screws as well.

Brent Huskins
Media Design

kraigk

05-13-04, 10:27 AM

Hi Brent,

It's been a while..

Helluva clean install there Brent. Makes my DYI stuff look DYI. What bathroom fan are you using in the attic?

bhuskins

05-13-04, 01:49 PM

Hi Kraig,

I hope your system is running well...

I used the Active Thermal Management System 1 fan that can be seen here (http://www.activethermal.com/System_1.htm).

It's a great unit that I would highly recommend.

thanks,

Brent Huskins
Media Design

ewtroan

05-13-04, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by bhuskins

I used the Active Thermal Management System 1 fan that can be seen here (http://www.activethermal.com/System_1.htm).

If I understand all of this right, you're ducting the hot air through the mounting pipe? If so, how wide did you make that pipe?

Erik

bhuskins

05-13-04, 02:10 PM

It was either a 3" or 4" schedule 40 PVC pipe - sanded and chemically stripped. Standard toilet flanges only fit one size or the other. If I had to bet on it, I would say it was a 4" pipe.

thanks,

Brent Huskins
Media Design

Steve*Moore

05-13-04, 02:27 PM

All:

I have question of this TV3 Community concerning the scaler that comes with the TV3 or 3+.

I called Dwin on Tuesday concerning the posibility of modifying the abilities of the scaler to perform stretching/single axis zooming of all input sources to the projector. My reason for asking is that I would like to add an anamorphic lens to make better use of the 2.35 AR screen I have by stretching the image vertically on the 16:9 chip and then stretch it horizontally with the lens. I understand this will utilize all of the pixels and the light output instead of wasting them on black bars (which I am now zooming off of the screen).

After repeated attempts to reach Technical Support, I ended up speaking with "Edward". We had a long indepth conversation concerning this request, and I asked him to take it to the engineers to see what could be done. His response surprised me. "I don't need to take this anywhere, I'm the President of this Company" :eek: I had been talking to Dr. Dwin, not Roger's replacement.

Well after apologizing, I thanked him for looking into the posibilities of the modification. He did comment that his key impression of his customers was that we are looking for simplicity of operation, not multi-flexible options on the scaler. I told him that my impression was that if Dwin would offer many of the abilities like the Key Digital Leeza or other similar scalers, we as a community would be very happy.

Please let me know if you agree or not. If the response is favorable, he may be more interested in making the change. Upgrading existing TV3s would only require replacing the chipset in the scaler, and that would be accomplished by the end user.

Thanks,
Steve

ranger67

05-13-04, 02:35 PM

Steve, I agree with you that flexibility options are EXACTLY what the Dwin needs, HOWEVER I believe Edward is also correct. MOST of his customers probably do want simplicity. I say this due to my impressions of my dealers clientele. Most of his customers are "set it up and use it" types, not the die hard fanatics that we are on this forum.

Steve*Moore

05-13-04, 02:48 PM

Ranger:

I feel that the "set it up and use it" types would gravitate more toward the <$3,500 range than the 9 - 11K most of us spent on this fine PJ.

However though, if you want to set and forget, these modifications would not interfere with that desire.

Steve

ranger67

05-13-04, 02:58 PM

Steve, you forget the idiots with money that are out there. I live in Jacksonville and my dealer works with many people who live on Jacksonville beach. From what I understand he has sold 8 TV3+'s just in the last month or so to people who will NEVER use this piece to it's fullest capacity.

Steve*Moore

05-13-04, 03:07 PM

Originally posted by ranger67
Steve, you forget the idiots with money that are out there.

Send 'em my way please! :p

bhuskins

05-13-04, 04:11 PM

Just send 'em to DFW and me and Steve will split them...:D :D

Brent Huskins
Media Design

Steve*Moore

05-13-04, 04:24 PM

Originally posted by bhuskins
Just send 'em to DFW and me and Steve will split them...:D :D

Sure, I'm not greedy :p

What do you think about my original question, Brent?

Steve

andaleon

05-13-04, 04:30 PM

"you forget the idiots with money that are out there"

Pretty strong words!

They may not be totally i***ts. For one, it takes smarts to make money work and keep it!

One may be smarter than them on the way these projectors work but they could have an edge in some other aspects.

I'd say a sign of being wise is doing things you are good at, make good money doing it, and pay someone else where they are good at.

pvrnovice

05-13-04, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by ewtroan
Have you compared the picture quality using 720P to 480P? I'd think that the TV3+ has a pretty good scalar (it should for the money!) and I'm curious if the scalar in the Pioneer is any better.

Also, have you looked to make sure the Pioneer is passing blacker then black over the HDMI to DVI conversion?

Erik

Well, honestly, I can't tell much difference. If anything, 720P from the Pioneer seems a bit sharper, but it's hard to tell. Using DVE, I can tell that the Pioneer does pass blacker than black ofer the HDMI to DVI conversion.

Any votes out there on Pioneer elite 59txi receiver vs. the Yamaha RX-Z9?

-Luke
(pvrnovice)

Steve*Moore

05-13-04, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by Steve*Moore
All:

I have question of this TV3 Community concerning the scaler that comes with the TV3 or 3+.

I called Dwin on Tuesday concerning the posibility of modifying the abilities of the scaler to perform stretching/single axis zooming of all input sources to the projector. My reason for asking is that I would like to add an anamorphic lens to make better use of the 2.35 AR screen I have by stretching the image vertically on the 16:9 chip and then stretch it horizontally with the lens. I understand this will utilize all of the pixels and the light output instead of wasting them on black bars (which I am now zooming off of the screen).

After repeated attempts to reach Technical Support, I ended up speaking with "Edward". We had a long indepth conversation concerning this request, and I asked him to take it to the engineers to see what could be done. His response surprised me. "I don't need to take this anywhere, I'm the President of this Company" :eek: I had been talking to Dr. Dwin, not Roger's replacement.

Well after apologizing, I thanked him for looking into the posibilities of the modification. He did comment that his key impression of his customers was that we are looking for simplicity of operation, not multi-flexible options on the scaler. I told him that my impression was that if Dwin would offer many of the abilities like the Key Digital Leeza or other similar scalers, we as a community would be very happy.

Please let me know if you agree or not. If the response is favorable, he may be more interested in making the change. Upgrading existing TV3s would only require replacing the chipset in the scaler, and that would be accomplished by the end user.

Thanks,
Steve

Comments please.

Steve

bhuskins

05-13-04, 11:48 PM

I think that the modifications you're suggesting are good, but actually more likely viable on the standalone Transcanner product vs. the integrated TV3+ with Transcanner. Since it directly competes with the HD Leeza, it needs to keep up with the latest.

BUT, I think anything that gets integrated into the standalone Transcanner should trickle into the TV3+ combo. It would give it yet another reason to be called out as unique and one of the best available.

I think DWIN's biggest problem is that when they came up with Duovision they were way too narrow minded to think that people would be willing to buy their Plasmas at such a high price over the rest of the market. How cool would it be to have a Duovision set up with a TV3 and a Pioneer Plasma? Too bad their great idea won't get exposed to the masses because of their unwillingness to work with others. Better yet a Duovision that worked with a Sharp 12K and a Panasonic Plasma or any other brands. As long as the 2 devices have DVI or HDMI inputs then their respective native resolution could be set on the Duovision and then you're ready. It would make any display or set of displays a one cable installation per device. Anyway, that's my thoughts for now.

Brent Huskins
Media Design

ewtroan

05-14-04, 09:42 AM

Originally posted by bhuskins

I think DWIN's biggest problem is that when they came up with Duovision they were way too narrow minded to think that people would be willing to buy their Plasmas at such a high price over the rest of the market. How cool would it be to have a Duovision set up with a TV3 and a Pioneer Plasma? Too bad their great idea won't get exposed to the masses because of their unwillingness to work with others. Better yet a Duovision that worked with a Sharp 12K and a Panasonic Plasma or any other brands. As long as the 2 devices have DVI or HDMI inputs then their respective native resolution could be set on the Duovision and then you're ready. It would make any display or set of displays a one cable installation per device. Anyway, that's my thoughts for now.

My setup has a drop down screen for my TV3 which goes in front of a Panasonic Plasma. I'd *love* to find a scalar which would let me drive both of these; right now I'm using the component switching on my receiver and a single component splitter/amplifier to go to both devices, which certainly isn't optimal but lets me watch the same sources on both. I wasn't going to pay Dwin prices for a plasma to have a more elegant solution though.

Erik

xkode2002

05-15-04, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by Steve*Moore
Comments please.

Steve

Steve: While most of the time I want ease-of-use, that's no excuse not to have depth. I love the PQ on my TV3. I bought it because of the 2-box solution and the great contrast and brightness which work well in my multifunction room. But, honestly, I'm underwhelmed by the menu options as compared to any of the major competitors.

You can have simplicity at the top level and provide presets for all of the standard use cases. But if I need to tweak, I want ultimate flexibility. And I also want a safety rope, so if I totally screw it up I can reset it to standard or last known good settings.

The thing is, the UI on the TV3 is so primitive I'm guessing that they simply don't have the software capabilities at Dwin to provide a simple + deep user experience. It's a small company and I doubt that they have the staff that Sharp, for example, has. The menu and control system on the TV3 isn't really easy, it's just limited.

I'm not really complaining, there was no other good option for me and the Dwin has performed well to this day.

Don O'Brien

05-17-04, 10:45 AM

Steve,
count me as somebody who would appreciate this functionality. If the PFP from Runco can do it, maybe Dwin can give it a shot.

StephenAAA

05-21-04, 10:30 AM

I recently bought a TV3 and have a question about the resolution when hooked up to Comcast HD. When I press the info button on the dwin remote, it says the current signal is 480p. Some of the channels are 1080i, but it never seems to detect them.

Have I done something wrong? :confused:

Don O'Brien

05-21-04, 11:52 AM

Hi Stephen,
My first thought is to assure that the output resolution from the Comcast box is set correctly. If you are on a channel that is broadcasting a 720p or 1080i resolution and it reads 480p when you hit the info button, I believe that it is a setting in the comcast box. Many of the sat boxes have the ability to set a single output resolution or a changeable resolution based on the native output of the source material. See if you can set the output resolution in the comcast HD box to 720p, if not try 1080i. It may be that it ships from the factory at 480p to assure compatiblity with EDTV monitors.

Steve*Moore

05-21-04, 11:57 AM

StephenAAA:

How do you have the STB connected to the TV3 scaler?

Steve

StephenAAA

05-21-04, 12:02 PM

Don & Steve,

I tried looking into the setting in the Comcast STB but there is no way to specify a different resolution. I have tried connecting both component and DVI connections from the STB to the TV3. I am thinking about calling Comcast, but that never seems to solve anything.

kraigk

05-21-04, 02:50 PM

StephenAAA,

I assume your Comcast HD box is the Motorola DCT5100. If it is the link below is for the manual and it shows the ability to change resolutions on page 10.

www.comcast-ne.com/DCT5100_guide_April03.pdf

Rooney

05-22-04, 09:48 AM

Regarding bhuskins photos of the whisperflow, that's my baby! Brent posted the pics of the hushbox before it was painted. Since then, the hushobox and duct were primed and painted one shade darker than the ceiling. In the photos the box is a stark blue-white. Now it is a lot less noticeable. Still liking the pj, but I noted a few areas on the screen on dark images with hot spotting. Brent took some photos of it and was supposed to get back with me regarding a fix. The next toy - the HD Tivo.

StephenAAA

05-22-04, 10:06 AM

Thanks everyone, setting up the Comcast box worked. :) wow, pretty nice picture!

andaleon

05-22-04, 02:37 PM

"I assume your Comcast HD box is the Motorola DCT5100"

Comcast first appeared in our doorsteps with the 5100.

I asked them to replace it with the DCT-6200 which has firewire and DVI outputs. They did.

I compared the Component output to the DVI and DVI does provide you with a better picture.

StephenAAA

05-22-04, 08:00 PM

I have the dct-6200... maybe I should try the DVI cable. Is there any special high performance DVI cable out there?

andaleon

05-22-04, 10:53 PM

I really do not see any performance difference between the expensive Monster Cable DVI and stuff I bought from DVIGear.com

StephenAAA

05-23-04, 05:45 AM

Did you use a DVI-D or DVI-D HDMI?

Thomas Marshall

05-23-04, 10:16 AM

I'm starting to wonder if this thread will out live my TV3:D

andaleon

05-23-04, 10:52 AM

dvi-d

Don Landis

05-23-04, 01:16 PM

Thomas- I wonder if this thread is the oldest, still active thread on all of AVS, that never was propped up by the moderators with a sticky.

Progress report-
My TV3 here is still on the original bulb with 3200 hours. Picture still looks great.

Fred DeGrandis

05-23-04, 11:09 PM

3200 hours!!!!

Thats great Don, I hope my original bulb lasts that long.

Randall Morton

05-24-04, 12:25 AM

Don,
I think mine would have kept going but I changed out at 2700 hours. The picture was getting dim. It really looks a lot better with the new bulb.

twelly

05-24-04, 01:59 AM

1. How much is the bulb?
2. Where to buy them?
3. Is it easy to install? I haven't read the manual yet. :) My TV3 is totally plug & play.

Any TV3 owners from san francisco bay area who have their pj calibrated by a professional? How much? Is it a huge improvement? So far I'm happy with the PQ, its superb. I'm still waiting for my HD tivo.

-twelly

Toxarch

05-24-04, 12:15 PM

Wow, 3200 hours. At the rate our projector is being used it'll take over 10 years to get that many hours. Though, I am sure that this TV3 will die long before then.

mdrums

05-24-04, 08:40 PM

This is a great thread no doubt. I went over to a friends of a friends house today to look at the TV3+. It looked really great but I also went to see a Sim2 Grand Cinima HT300 Extra and I thought the picture might be a little sharper and the blacks much deeper. Also to me the Sim2 looked better on standard TV like ESPN, MTV and local news. I also looked at the Runco 1000ci at 2 differant dealers and thought both had a greenish hue to the blacks.
The price between the 2 projectors HT300 extra and TV3+ is $6k though being the Sim2 is more! Soooo....has anyone else compared these 2 projectors?

andaleon

05-25-04, 12:36 AM

I shopped around too and had the chance to compare the Dwin TV3 (not the plus) and the Seleco HT-300 (not the plus).

Had them side by side in my house on the same screen, the same source.

IMHO I like the naturalness of the Dwin presentation. The Seleco did look sharper but overall, I went for naturalness.

ewtroan

05-25-04, 09:29 AM

Originally posted by mdrums
This is a great thread no doubt. I went over to a friends of a friends house today to look at the TV3+. It looked really great but I also went to see a Sim2 Grand Cinima HT300 Extra and I thought the picture might be a little sharper and the blacks much deeper. Also to me the Sim2 looked better on standard TV like ESPN, MTV and local news. I also looked at the Runco 1000ci at 2 differant dealers and thought both had a greenish hue to the blacks.
The price between the 2 projectors HT300 extra and TV3+ is $6k though being the Sim2 is more! Soooo....has anyone else compared these 2 projectors?

I haven't, but I try to remember that it's very difficult to compare projectors like this. Were they both well calibrated? The problem with TV could be a calibration issue on the TV3 (though analog television won't look that good with any projector); for a while I fed HDTV and DVD to the same component input on my TV3+ and since it was tuned for DVD, the HDTV picture suffered quite a bit. If the two projectors were on different types of screens, or in rooms with different amount of light leakage, a direct comparison is quite hard as well.

In other news, I watched Finding Nemo on my TV3+ last night, and was absolutely blown away. I had seen it before on my old Samsung DLP and see a ton of color banding throughout the movie. I wrote it off to my 5 year old DVD player, but when I showed the movie last night with the same player, there was almost no banding (just a little bit in the scenes where Marlin was in the dark depths and the fish with the glob-bulb showed up; there was a touch of banding around the glowing bulb). All of the scenes with large amounts of background water looked absolutely stunning while they were pretty mediocre on the Sammy.

Erik

jbishop

05-25-04, 12:54 PM

Quick comment on /runco 1000's seen by mdrums to have greenish hue. The calibration, or lack thereof is at fault. The VX-1000Ci has 9 degress of colorimetry control (separate RGB Gain, Bias, and Gamma curve controls) for multiple color temp memmories. It can be made to track 6500K from 10 or 20 IRE to 100 IRE to within a +/- 100 degree or so range, I do it regularly using the Progressive Labs analyzer (now the new fast probe and software rev May 04) and they always drop right in, the demos you saw need attention that's all, the only thing that should be green is Oxmoor corp in Spiderman, or anything Matrix!

Thomas Marshall

05-25-04, 02:38 PM

Don - you could be right, and I also think the thread could end up being the longest as well, I base this statement on the continuing popularity of the TV3.

I still love my PJ and I regularly check out the new units just for the heck of it. So far, nothing out there has compelled me to consider replacing it. I'm waiting for a digital PJ that knocks CRT off it's throne, and my guess is it won't take much longer, another generation or two, possibly three, should do it.

I'm approaching 1000 hours on my bulb and I can see a slight decrease in brightness, however, my Firehawk is 133" diagonal and really needs all the brightness it can get. My guess is I'll replace the bulb somewhere around 1500 - 2000 hours. FYI - my wife and son can't see the difference; they think I'm seeing things.

Don Landis

05-25-04, 04:12 PM

I think one thing we did early on was to request posters in this thread refrain from this vs. that opinions as that tends to add worthless posts that bury the real info needed by TV3 owners. It invites defenders of other fine DLP products and even defenders of CRT's to post more worthless opinions here. I'm sure if that happens now this thread will lose it's worthiness to other TV3 owners. Nuf said.

As for bulb brightness, I have the spare waiting but as long as I'm happy with the image, why change it out? I'm sure the Dwin bulb suffers aging more by how many on off cycles we give it as opposed to how many hours. I have a habit of turning the TV3 on once per day and that's it!

Since my wife likes to watch "TV" and not Home theater entertainment in the early evening, we put in a small 17" LCD HDTV 16x9 with DVD player and connected to cable in the Kitchen. This has also saved hours on the TV3. BTW- My screen is still a matte white so it doesn't suffer the brightness issues that a gray screen would.

I'm not sure I mentioned before, but about 6 weeks ago, I suffered a TV3 bulb shutdown twice. I thought it was about to go but now I believe it was a high temperature cutoff safety. This happened when we had some severe dust in the house due to a combination of High Florida Pollen and we were remodeling our Kitchen and it occurred the days the drywall man was here. I cleaned my filter on the TV3 which had clogged up in 48 hours from the dust. Air dusted the rest of the room and now everythings been running back to normal. Dwin rep, I asked suggested it was the filter clogging and high temp cutout. If any of you had installed the dust filter, I hope you keep it clean for good air flow. BTW- my TV3 was dust free inside after that dusty period, so the filter kept it clean inside. :)

Thomas Marshall

05-25-04, 05:02 PM

Excellent advice, the subject of "on and off" has been discussed many times on this forum, and I also pay close attention to this, and I've educated my family as well.

Most of our family viewing is done on the weekend, so we normally turn the PJ on in the afternoon and leave it on until we watch the last movie or program for the night. During the week we usually watch one or two movies over the course of the week in the HT, always in the evening, so the PJ is turned on for a few hours and then powered off for the night.

For normal TV/Cable viewing we have a couple of wide screen TV's in the house that we use.

Thomas Marshall

05-28-04, 01:14 PM

I'm hoping one of you guys has been playing around with Windows Media Video High Definition material using Windos Media Player 9 on a PC to feed your TV3.

I’m posting this in both the “TV3 Owners Thread” and under the HTPC area as well.

Please keep in mind I know very little about the technical aspects of the world of HTPC, so forgive my ignorance if I haven't explained myself well enough below.

I would really appreciate some guidance with a problem I encountered last night. I’m not sure if the problem is with my TV3, the PC, the type of material I’m attempting to send to the PJ, or perhaps my own ignorance.

Description of the equipment being used:

HTPC is a Dell Inspiron XPS Multi-media Notebook
Pentium 4 (3.4 ghz), 512 Dual Channel DDR SR-RAM at 400 mhz
128 DDR ATI Radeon 9700 SX-Graphics Card
Running - XP with Windows Media Player 9 Series
DVD-ROM Drive

Dwin TV3 Projector

I’m attempting to feed the TV3, via the DVI port, a Windows Media Video HD (WMV-HD) disk (i.e. IMAX – Coral Reef Adventure). I’ve changed the format on the disk/movie setup menu to 720p, which is native to the TV3.

What ends up happening is the image gets stretched on the TV3. However, a funny thing occurs with this combination that I’ve never seen on the TV3 with any other material I’ve feed through the DVI port.

Under normal circumstances when you feed the TV3 a 720p format Wide Screen / Anamorphic DVD it works perfectly. One other detail that you should know is in this case the TV3 will not allow you to change the DVI ports Screen Format in the setup menu, it locks you out, this is not an issue because with Wide Screen / Anamorphic material you don’t need the option. However, when the TV3 is presented Non-Amamorphic or 4:3 material via the DVI port it sometimes defaults to stretch mode and again it will not allow the Screen format to be changed.

So, the funny thing is that when I’m sending the TV3 WMV-HD material in 720p it opens up the Screen Format option on the DVI port and allows only two options (Anamorphic or Standard).

Under the “Anamorphic” option the image is stretched, which is not acceptable.
Under the “Standard” option the image shrinks (has bars above and below and on both sides of the picture). However, the aspect ratio is correct, but again, not acceptable as the picture does not fill the whole screen.

Could this be a PC driver issue?

Does anyone have any idea what’s happening here, and perhaps a way to correct this?

Any help would be appreciated, and by the way, the HD picture that I see with “Coral Reef Adventure” is nothing short of stunning. The only HD material I’ve seen that’s equal to the quality of this picture is the D-VHS recording of “The Beauty of Japan” and some of the Discovery Channel HD shows.

The WMV-HD material is perfect demo material and some of the best eye candy I’ve ever seen, I would really like to solve this problem.

Thanks

__________________

andaleon

05-28-04, 04:11 PM

Tom,

When you said you have set you set the resolution to 720P, did you mean you have set the Windows screen resolution to 1280 X 720P?.

If the screen resolution is not set to 1280 X 720 and follows the normal laptop resolution which are 4:3 screens you can have this problem.

Does the picture in you laptop screen look 4:3? If yes, then you could be feeding the Dwin with a 4:3 image.

Unless, the 9700 supports dual resolution.

For example you can keep your LCD screen at 4:3 which they should be, and output the other display port at 1280 X 720.

Not sure if the ATI 9700 can do that. I know the 9800 can.

Thomas Marshall

05-28-04, 04:27 PM

andaleon,

Actually this notebook has a 16:9 screen, it's Dell's newest generation multi-media notebook. It's default resolution is 1900 x 1200. But when it detects the Dwin I believe it changes it's default to match what it believes is the resolution of the new display device, in this case it's 1080 x 720. Also, I verified the PC resolution matches the Dwin and it still doesn't work.

No, I was talking about the IMAX movie's setup menu, you can feed the movie to a display device with either 1080p or 720p, so I take the movie menu option for 720p to feed the Dwin it's native resolution.

The picture on the laptop screen looks just like the one on the projector screen for the Anamorphic screen format, it's stretched.

andaleon

05-28-04, 04:35 PM

In device manager, does the PC detect the Dwin?

How is it identified in Device Manager?

Thomas Marshall

05-28-04, 04:54 PM

Unfortunately I'm not at home right now, I will check it out and post more information tonight. Thanks

HDJ

05-28-04, 06:17 PM

One fact to consider is that the Imax original, theater-style screens are an approximately 4:3 ratio: It's very wide, yes; but it's also VERY tall in the Imax Theater. Of course, the DVD might have been re-formated for widescreen ratios, but I would doubt that.

Check the supplied literature.

Thomas Marshall

06-05-04, 10:17 AM

Well I'm back, boy did I get side tracked.

I tried several changes in PC settings and the results were the same.

What's interesting is the DVD version of the movie plays perfectly (16:9 picture with no stretch) on the TV3. So the Notebook using the DVD software runs great, but when I load the DVD-Rom IMAX version it ends up with a stretched image to fill the whole screen. Keep in mind it plays perfectly on the 16:9 Notebook screen.

Perhaps it's in the software of the Windows Media Player 9, something changes the way the TV3 sees the picture, so it treats it differently than the DVD version, which runs on Dell's DVD internal software.

I got zero replies in the PC area of the forum, funny because IMAX is killer, some of the best HD I've ever seen. I'm surprised more people haven't been playing around with it.

Oh well, you can't win them all :confused:

andaleon

06-05-04, 11:13 AM

Thomas,

Love those WM9's too, I have "Step into Liquid" and "Magic of Flight".

(Although IMO, there's less PQ on them than regular *.tp/*.ts HD files, I love them still)

Mine works fine however in my self-built HTPC.

I use a 800 FSB, P4 3.0 GHz , Asus P4C800E Motherboard and Radeon 9800 card.

Randall Morton

06-05-04, 11:44 AM

Tom,
I haven't tried the IMAX WM9 but isn't this the same format as T2? I had no trouble playing through the PC. Are you using PowerStrip to set your custom resolutions?

Thomas Marshall

06-06-04, 12:15 PM

Randall,

Yes it is the same format as T2, which I have also tried, as well as Step Into Liquid, my understanding is all these disks require Windows Media Player 9 exclusively and cannot be played by any other media player, how are you playing back T2?

No, I'm not using power strip at all. I'm really not familiar with how to use power strip or HTPC's all together.

I just got this kick a** Notebook because I run the IT department, and we're testing several units to establish a new standard for our in field sales presentation Notebooks.

I asked someone I know about power strip and this problem, he said you can't control the screen format with power strip. But I don't consider this person to be on top of this area.

Can you assist me on how I can utilize power strip to resolve this problem?

FYI - I just read a note in this months HT Magazine which talks about these movies. It noted the DVD-ROM WM9 version is formatted in 1.8.5:1, my TV3 displays it in 1.8.5 (with bars), but the picture gets stretched. I think it should be in 1.78:1 (fill the whole screen). What format and/or aspect ration does T2 display on your TV3?

One other thing, as I noted above, the internal Notebook screen (which is a 16:9 screen format) displays all the movies perfectly in 16:9 (fills the whole screen).

Anthony,

Are you usind WM9 for play back?

andaleon

06-06-04, 01:57 PM

Tom,

Yes, I use WM9 for playback!

Try Rage3D tweak to force screen resolutiom to 1280 X 720.

http://www.rage3d.com/index.php?node=r3dtweak

I know you tried this already in your Windows display settings but give Rage3D a try. In Rage 3D is a "custom resolution" which can be set to 1280 X 720. Your need to restart the PC after choosing the 1280 X 720.

Have fun!

Bugleboy

06-13-04, 11:49 PM

Firstly, I want to compliment Don and all TV3 users for maintaining such a valuable resource for all those interested in this DWIN product. I have NEVER seen any thread this extensive! I share in your enthusiasm for this product as I have just built out a home theater using the TV3+ (rest of equipment will be provided in my gallery shortly!) I am brand new on AVS (having just arrived from an audiophile forum - Audio Asylum), and I hope to contribute to keep this thread going for as long as this product is around!

Earlier today, I posted a question (not on this thread b/c I didn't know of its existence yet) concerning some "artifacts" that I am getting from my TV3+. Can anyone shed some light on this? The TV3+ was installed and calibrated by the dealer, and he was stumped by this. Here's the post:

Hi...I'm using the DWIN TransVision 3+ with a Stewart 100" StudioTek 130 screen. On many DVDs, I notice a "transparent" line that runs right ABOVE the bottom horizontal black bar, and right BELOW the top horizontal black bar. The line is "transparent" because you can still see the picture of the affected area - even though the line is present. Can anyone shed some light into this? Is it a function of video noise created by the projector's scaler? Can it be caused by a setting in my DVD player (Lexicon RT-10)? I am currently outputting Progressive Scan into the projector's scaler, which in turn is upsampled to 720P. Thanks!

Rob Tomlin

06-14-04, 01:12 AM

Actually it sounds like Edge Enhancement to me.

Does this happen only on DVD's? Do you have a High Def signal you can feed the projector?

If not, check some other DVD's that are known for NOT having Edge Enhancement. Unfortunately, I can't think of any right now!

andaleon

06-14-04, 01:28 AM

Fellow Dwin Owners,

My Dwin TV3 started flickering .

When that happens I had to shut down and need to unplug both Scaler and Projector before I can turn on again.

I will get hold of my dealer/Dwin but has anyone experienced this too?

Bugleboy

06-14-04, 10:57 AM

Hi Rob, what is Edge Enhancement? It appears on many DVDs (although not all), and in some cases more severely than others. Someone had suggested that the vertical size parameters need adjustments, but I don't think this is the issue.

Also, I do have a high def signal...I will check that out. However, some signals received via my sat receiver never seem to provide for a perfectly aligned picture within the masked boudaries of the screen. I just presumed this is normal b/c I don't have this problem with every channel?

Thanks!

Rob Tomlin

06-14-04, 07:29 PM

Do a search on "Edge Enhancement" and you will find numerous threads. Basically, it is a method of "sharpening" that the studios do to DVD's to make them look "Better". Unfortunately, this has the nasty side effect of creating halo's around many of the objects on the screen, including just under and on top of the top and bottom lines of the picture. It is much more pronounced on a projector setup due to the large image size.

If the lines are not there on all the DVD's you play, I think it is fair to say it is Edge Enhancement on the DVD, and does not represent a problem with the Dwin.

What DVD's are you seeing these lines on?

Bugleboy

06-14-04, 09:45 PM

Rob, one DVD that comes to mind is Pearl Harbor. I like using the battle scene from this DVD as a demo. But the "nasties" are pretty pronounced with this disc. If it's Edge Enhancement, then does that mean we all have this same issue?

Rob Tomlin

06-14-04, 11:28 PM

Yes, that's what it would mean.

But I am worried to hear that Pearl Harbor is doing that. That disc is one of the best video transfers I have ever seen, and I don't think it has a lot of EE. If I get time I will check my copy.

How noticeable are these lines?

Bugleboy

06-14-04, 11:56 PM

Rob, it's pretty noticeable to me when I look for it. I think I can best describe the "line" artifact as a slight bump running along the very edge of the picture - right where the picture and horizontal black bars meet. I don't seem to have any other issues anywhere else in the picture. Can you think of a DVD (not too esoteric) that does not have EE? This way I can throw it into my player and test. Thanks.

Bugleboy

06-19-04, 09:33 PM

Hi all -

Just wanted to take a quick survey to see which DVD players TV3+ owners are using. I am using the Lexicon RT-10 (a $3500 player) with my TV3+ (and 100" StudioTek 130 screen), and somehow I think I can achieve better video using a sub $400 player such as the Bravo D2 b/c my Lexicon offers only component video out - no DVI. What do you guys think? (To be fair...the Lexicon is rather strong in audio.)

vegashomes

06-19-04, 10:22 PM

I am using a D1 and the picture is awesome.

andaleon

06-20-04, 08:46 AM

I'm using an Ayre D-1X updated with a new DVI board (on a Dwin TV3)

A bit more expensive than the Lexicon RT and does not do SACD and DVD-A. I used to have a Pioneer Elite DV-59 Avi and lost my ability to play SACD and DVD-A when I replaced it with the Ayre D-1X. However, playing red book I don't miss SACD at all! It is of course a lot more than the DV-59AVi.

And even if the DVI is only 480P, the PQ is still much better than the 720P on the Pioneer DV-59AVi HDMI output. I even compared the Ayre too against the Denon 5900 and I still like the Ayre in sound and video.

It is not a universal player like the Pioneer 59Avi and the Denon 5900 but boy, IMHO, CD's sound so good that you forget the high resolution formats!

Of course, the Ayre is much money than the Denon and Pioneer Elite. I have not compared it with the Lexicon but did compare it against the best offering of Krell (I'm a big Krell fan!) and still liked the Ayre better.

And playing Pearl Harbor it, I don't see EE. Pearl harbor is my all time favorite demo with Cuba Gooding in those 20mm double cannon. Concusive bass and each bass note is very distinct even though they are very close together. Just like what it felt when I fired similar high calibre guns while in active duty in the Navy. Good reference materia based on first hand experience.

Bugleboy

06-20-04, 09:35 AM

Hi Andaleon -

Very nice unit. I have heard many great things about the Ayre D-1x - arguably the best sounding DVD player out there. Have you compared component out against DVI on the D-1x? How about with other players? I am trying to decide if I need to "upgrade" to a player with DVI to maximze my PQ with the TV-3+. Will DVI typically produce a better picture than component out (or is this not necessarily the case and largely dependant on the design of a player)?

As for redbook vs. SACD....it's largely dependent on the recording. I have heard many redbooks that blow away SACD. However, I do believe that the best DSD recording will surpass the best redbook recording. I use the Lexicon RT-10 for video and multichannel music only. For two channel audio, I use the dCS transport, DAC, upsampler and clock. It plays SACDs and upsamples redbook to DSD. Also, it has a standalone clock that outputs a clock signal to each unit at a measured jitter rate of less than 1 PPM. What does all of this do for the sound....magic!

andaleon

06-20-04, 12:11 PM

SACD on DCS would definitely be the way to go.

I was comparing CD playback on the Ayre to SACD playback of the Pioneer DV-59Avi and the Denon 5900 on the same album.

I have heard SACD playback on Accuphase and Classe and they are definitely way over any red book cd performance I've heard. Something I would covet.

The Ayre DVI is better than its the component ouput. Although its component ouput is not shabby either. DVI in all I've seen has a more natural color palette, edges are better.

Even the Samsung HD 931 DVI out (which I owned for a while) outperforms the component ouput of the Pioneer DV-AX10. That's a $299 unit compared to a $4500.00 unit.

If you budget does not mind, do give the Ayre an audition if you are aiming for a good combo of video and audio performance.

Bugleboy

06-20-04, 01:15 PM

Andaleon -

DVI seems to make a lot of sense....ouput a pure digital signal to the DWIN vs. component video which converts the signal from D/A, then A/D, and then back to D/A.

Does this suggest that DVI will likely outperform any component out video source (regardless of price)? Have you had the chance to compare the DVI output of your cheapest DVD player (the Samsung) with the component output of a much more expensive unit (Ayre)?

andaleon

06-20-04, 11:22 PM

"Will DVI likely outperform any component out video source (regardless of price)? "

Like what I said, personal experience showed me that DVI video on a $299 Samsung HD931 outperformed component out of a $4500.00 Pioneer DV-AX10. Same could be said against the component ouput of a Denon 2900. Sound on the Samsung is however way inferior compared to the DV-AX10 and the Denon 2900.

And if you are a person used to the sound of DCS, I would surmise that audio performance is very important to you.

DVI in theory is a better implemenation. In practice those are the only two I've seen.

No, I did not bother to compare the component output of the Ayre against the DVI output of the Samsung. When I got the Ayre, it already has the DVI output and I went straight to using DVI out. I have long since got rid of the Samsung.

ranger67

06-21-04, 08:02 AM

TV3+/Denon 5900. I've been real happy with my setup. This player provides DVI output which is very clean (there have been comments on a macroblocking problem, but I have never experienced them). It also provides SACD/DVD-A compatibility. Right now I believe this player is the best available unit for these features, however I also believe that this will not last long. If you buy a 5900, make sure you get a good price on it.

Thomas Marshall

06-21-04, 11:46 AM

Bugleboy,

I using a Pioneer DV-59AVI, looks just as good as my friends Denon 5900 (which he loves) at half the cost (IMO both units are excellent, you can't go wrong).

I choose the Pioneer as I have their Flagship receiver and wanted to stay in the same family.

I put my 941 and D1 in the closet, both had killer pictures, but both also had major operational issues.

DVI is a must, just pick one of the newest units and enjoy.

I was blown away when my cheap little D1 out performed my bench mark Sony 9000, but that's life. I up-graded to the Pioneer because I needed a unit that was reliable and would basically play any DVD or CD on the planet.

Chris Rein

06-25-04, 09:48 PM

Well, not even at 1,000 hours and my unit craps out. Nice. So I sent it in to DWIN for repair (makes a nice whining noise and won't power up). The unit "tries" to come on, light shows solid on the Transcanner, fan gets loud, then bam, gets quiet. Projector is now off, but Transcanner light is solid. Interesting. So, I hit the power on the Transcanner again...projector starts to power up, fan shuts off and then the light on the Transcanner now flashes fast. According to the manual, the fast flashing light indicates a hot lamp. Which makes sense, sort of, considering the thing NEVER powered on to begin with, so no hot lamp! Did I mention that loud fan and whining noise? ;)

So, I got a call from DWIN on Wednesday saying that the unit is ready and, "How would you like to pay for it?" So, my response was, "What was wrong with the unit?" I was told that the bulb needed to be replaced and that there were upgrades and maintenance done to the unit. Upgrades and maintenance were covered under warranty but the bulb is not. "How much is the bulb?" "$450". Okay, so I knew the bulb was going to be that much, but damn, under 1,000 hours? I'm pissed! Especially when I see members here pushing the 3,000 barriers! F-Me!!!! So, I gave her my info and they said it will be shipped out tomorrow and will be there by Friday. Cool.

After hanging up the phone and finally pondering on what just happened, I decided to call back to see what exactly the "upgrade and maintenance" was all about. She couldn't tell me, so I asked if a copy of what was done would be in my box. And she said they don't do that. So, I was transfered into the service department and of course, got the answering machine. I left a message (this was Wednesday) and I still haven't received a phone call. Also, I got my dealer involved in this and he hasn't heard anything back yet either. I'm really wondering if the things they "fixed" were directly related to the bulb. If so, I think something should be worked out about that bulb price! Not to mention I've shipped the unit to them once already for some other issues, so it's been in transit 3 times (DWIN to dealer. Me to DWIN. DWIN back to me.) There's no telling if the shipping put any stress on the bulb or not!

Well, Here it is Friday and my TV3 hasn't shipped yet. Tracked it earlier today and it said it got "Mis-sorted" at the UPS stop and would be rescheduled for delivery on Monday. What a bunch of crap. So much for Overnight Express Saver! Anyway, I hunted that package down and bitched that it was important (uh, we shipped it overnight for a reason...What can brown do for you? Deliver my f-ing package!) and needed to be sent for Saturday delivery at their expense. 1 hour later...it now has Saturday delivery stickers all over it. We'll see if it actually comes tomorrow!

Has anyone else experienced this with their TV3? Any ideas what could have caused the bulb to fail this early on? I'm REALLY wanting to hear back from DWIN. I've called several times and keep getting the service department answering machines. My dealer is also working them from the other side, but still no avail to either one of us (thanks for helping, Brent!)

Hopefully the machine will be fixed and no other issues arise. I was telling Brent that if it weren't for the gorgeous picture and the two-box solution, I'd wish I would have gone with the Marantz or Infocus! :D

Bugleboy

06-25-04, 10:09 PM

Chris,

I hear you bro - that sucks. Plus that bit with the UPS "mis-sorting" your package....definitely not good. Chances are it went on the plane or truck to somewhere else, then redirected at a routing facility (increasing the likelihood that the box is rough handled and maybe even dropped from the conveyer belt), back (possibly thrown) onto the plane or truck to another routing facility, and now on its way for Sat. delivery.

(Just playing)

Chris Rein

06-25-04, 10:27 PM

Thanks for the comforting words, Bugleboy! ;)

Sad, but true. That's exactly what was going through my mind. "Mis-sorted" = Run over by big brown truck.

What can brown do for you?

Rob Tomlin

06-25-04, 10:43 PM

Chris-

I had a very similar situation regarding the shipping when I sent my Dwin in for repair.

But this was FedEx. They put it on the wrong f'in truck. The damn thing went way back east before making its way back to the west coast.

This shipping companies are something else.

Hope you get your issues resolved. I have noticed that the fan noise on my Dwin seems to be getting louder. Probably not a good sign.

scottsol

06-26-04, 12:19 PM

If the extra fan noise has a rough or grinding aspect the problem is probably that the fans are comming loose. Open up the unit and tighten all the fan screws and the noise should return to normal. I have seen more than one TV3 with this problem.

7Music7

06-28-04, 03:52 PM

I have not read the entire thread so I apologize if this has come up before.

Does anyone have the discreet IR codes for the TV3? If so, please e-mail them to me at:

7music7@cox.net

Thank you,

Cary

sbaillar

06-28-04, 04:01 PM

The TV3 remote is already discreet....You can learn them from that.

I have the codes for an MX700....

-sonny

7Music7

06-28-04, 04:42 PM

I need discreet On/Off codes. The remote uses the power button for the on/off.

I have my remote set-up on a macro to turn on the entire system at one time. Every once in a while the unit will not turn on, I think that this is due to interferance with other RF units in the house.

If I had the discreet on/off codes I could send out on/on/on to make sure that it turned on.

andaleon

06-28-04, 04:45 PM

7Music7,

The only thing you have to do is go into the MENU of the Dwin and set to press "TV" to POWER ON and press "Power" to POWER DOWN.

By default the "Power" Button is a toggle to Power Up/Power Down.

Does anybody have the Aspect Ratio buttons working?

If yours is working, what version of the firmware do you have?

scottsol

06-28-04, 04:48 PM

In the setup menu, go to power setup and change from "power toggle "to "TV" on "power" off and you will now be discreet.

Steve*Moore

06-28-04, 05:10 PM

If you go into the OSD Menu, you can select whether ON/OFF are the same or On is the TV button (pushed twice, capture the second push on your remote) and ON/OFF is off.

Steve

bhuskins

06-28-04, 05:44 PM

Hey, if you go into the menu you can set the power to be discrete vs. toggle. I figured 4 people saying this is better than 3. :)

Brent Huskins
Media Design

7Music7

06-28-04, 06:11 PM

thanks

Don O'Brien

06-28-04, 09:06 PM

IR Codes
Philips Pronto or Marantz CCF format hex codes

On (make menu change in PJ as instructed above)
0000 0048 004e 0000 0474 00e6 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 003a 0039 015f 00e4 00e6 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 0039 015b 00e4 00e6 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 003a 0039 00e6

Off
0000 0048 001a 001a 0474 00e7 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 003a 001c 0073 0039 015f 00e4 00e6 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0073 0039 015b

Alt- (Used as the first step in AR selection macro followed by .3 sec delay)
0000 0048 001a 001a 0474 00e6 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 003a 0039 015f 00e4 00e6 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 0039 015b

Macros for Discrete AR selection
4:3 Centered Macro-
“Alt”
.3 sec delay
“1” (same button used for composite1)

16:9 Macro-
“Alt”
.3 sec delay
“2” (Same button used for composite2)

Widescreen Macro-
“Alt”
.3 sec delay
“3” (Same button used for S Video 1)

1-Composite 1
0000 0048 001a 001a 0474 00e6 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 0039 015f 00e4 00e6 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 0039 015b

2- Composite 2
0000 0048 001a 001a 0474 00e6 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0073 0039 015f 00e4 00e6 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 003a 001c 0073 0039 015b

3- Svid1
0000 0048 001a 001a 0474 00e6 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 0039 015f 00e4 00e6 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 0039 015b

4- Svid2
0000 0048 001a 001a 0474 00e6 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 0039 015f 00e4 00e6 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 0039 015b

5- YprPb1
0000 0048 001a 001a 0474 00e6 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0039 0039 015f 00e4 00e6 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0039 0039 015b

6- YprPb2
0000 0048 001a 001a 0474 00e6 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0073 0039 015f 00e4 00e6 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 0039 015b

7- RGB1
0000 0048 001a 001a 0474 00e6 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0039 0039 015f 00e4 00e6 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0039 0039 015b

8-RGB2
0000 0048 001a 001a 0474 00e6 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 0039 015f 00e4 00e6 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 0039 015b

9-DVI 1
0000 0048 001a 001a 0474 00e6 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 0039 015f 00e4 00e6 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 0039 015b

0-DVI 2
0000 0048 001a 001a 0474 00e6 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 0039 015f 00e4 00e6 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0039 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0039 001c 003a 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 001c 0073 0039 015b

Info/Display
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Hopefully somebody finds some use for the codes.

scottsol

06-28-04, 09:34 PM

If I recite all these numbers backwards while bowing every fourth number, Fahrenheit 9/11 appears on my screen in 3D!

andaleon

06-29-04, 01:40 AM

Don,

Do you have the hex code for the "mute" button on the remote?

Thanks,

twelly

06-29-04, 04:55 AM

Chris,

I've been in the same situation as you, although it wasn't as bad as what you've been through. For my case DWIN replaced my unit 2 times because of major defects like ghosting and greenish radiance. I was about to give up at that time and ready to pull the trigger on a marantz because I was pretty much unhappy with the quality of the unit(s) that I got. If it wasn't for the 2-box configuration and the amazing PQ I would have purchased the marantz. I'm just glad my dealer was there for me all the way to sort things out. Luckily, I didn't have any problem with the shipping. I used FedEx. Just hang in there. HD on this baby is eye-popping.

Goodluck.
-twelly

Bugleboy

06-29-04, 07:27 AM

Chris -

Well? How'd it go? Everything arrive in one piece on Saturday?

Twelly -

I was *sort of* joking in my thread about UPS. Frankly, if I had to choose b/w UPS and FedEx, I would go with UPS. I don't know if this is simply random, or regional, but I have had better luck with UPS.

Chris Rein

06-29-04, 06:53 PM

Yeah!!!

The box came in on Saturday and it was a little wet (been raining non-stop here in Dallas!), but thanks to the double box packing nothing got wet.

So, I mounted the mount (allow myself to introduce...myself) and put it back into place. Reworked my Voltage regulator and Power Center cables (I figured why not since I was back there!) and hooked everything up.

Got the image up on the screen and started to position the projector. I hit the menu to bring up the screen settings and noticed something completely new. I have two new tweaking options! I have no idea how new these are, but I have a image setup and a "Custom" setup now in the menu! This is EXTREMELY helpful in the setup!!! I'm at work right now, but I'll post the EXACT new settings when I get home tonight. Good god is this thing much more bright now! I only had the last bulb for less than 1,000 hours, so I figured it wouldn't be much brighter...but it is! I ran Video Essentials and got everything back to where I like it. Well, now I have that stupid solarization problem again that I need to fix pronto.

I will say this, I watched a Warner Brothers movie the other night and the opening logo was so gorgeous it wasn't even funny. The colors were just incredible. Makes me wonder exactly WHAT they did to this thing. It's night and day better. Does anyone else have these additional settings? They are a tweakers dream! I have that image PERFECT on screen now...for ALL inputs! One thing I want to do is confirm some brightness/contrast settings. The Xbox component 1 settings are extremely low. Not sure if this is due to the new bulb or what, but compared to the DVD and DirecTV DVI inputs, the Xbox settings are LOW.

Brent, do you know about these settings? The menu now is HUGE under setup. So much that I had to move the menu up for it to fit on the screen. I'll show it to you on Thursday when you come by.

Twelly, thanks for the comforting words. I followed your posts back in the day and know exactly what you went through. Thanks to our dealers, we came out smiling. ;)

More to come later tonight.

Steve*Moore

06-30-04, 12:15 AM

Originally posted by Chris Rein
I have two new tweaking options! I have no idea how new these are, but I have a image setup and a "Custom" setup now in the menu! This is EXTREMELY helpful in the setup!!!

OK, so the cat is out of the bag. Edward Dwin made me promise not to say anything, but I guess they are now putting the new chip in the TV3. He sent me the new chip three weeks ago, and it works great. This was in response to my request to increase the capability of the scaler to work with an anamorphic lens. You can now stretch the image independently on either the horizontal or vertical axis. I have be using this function with a beta model of the Prismasonic H1000 and it just blows me away.

Thanks to Edward Dwin and all of the Dwin staff for being so responsive to our needs.

Steve

andaleon

06-30-04, 01:01 AM

-new chip in the TV3-

Steve,

Please do tell us more-now that the cat is out of the bag.

Chris Rein

06-30-04, 10:19 AM

Steve,

Maybe Edward is using Dallas as a test market. ;)

I didn't get a chance to get into the settings last night, but I promise I'll do it tonight. As Steve was saying, it's fully scalable. Having a "HD and Custom" setting now really helps things out. As I stated earlier, I'd really like to know what was done to my TV3. And this confirms part of the changes.

Chris

Steve*Moore

06-30-04, 10:30 AM

Chris:

If you go back a few pages in this thread, you'll see where I embarassed myself by not knowing who "Edward" was until he told me he ran the company. :o

I don't know if he is using Dallas as a test market, I think it is probably just coincidental we are both here. I got mine because I called and found out he had responded to my original request. I was seriously considering getting an HD Leeza, and now I don't have to do anything. Dwin saved me around $3500.00 with this mod.

Using the mod and the Prismasonic (which I have sent back to Alan) allowed me to use the entire resolution and lumens of the PJ, instead of zooming/lens shifting to fit my 2.35 AR screen in our showroom. Really, really cool. If you are interested in seeing how it looks, I will definately be permanently mounting a H1000 once Prismasonic starts selling them next month.

Let me know more of your impressions once you have had a chance to play with it further.

Steve Moore
Summit Cinema Design
Dallas/Fort Worth

GeorgeM

06-30-04, 11:29 PM

So that is who Edward is?

I called Dwin tech support last week. I received a return call from Edward. I was at work so could not do the tests he wanted to do, but he promised to call me at home that evening.

Sure enough he called right on time. We went through some test, but concluded that the processor was not sending signals to the projector. He asked me to email him my address and he would send out a replacement processor.

It came yesterday with a note to send the old one back.

This experience sure has reinforced my decision to buy Dwin in the first place.

Oh yea, the new processor has the new setup options also. Didn't even realize it until I read the message above.

George M

Chris Rein

07-01-04, 12:32 AM

Okay, so I saw Spider-Man 2 tonight, and I loved it! And promised I'd get the info up here tonight so here it is!

Here's what I have in the menus now:

Input: DVI 1 (Chose this to go through, but you have the other inputs too)
Format: HD or Custom (New Custom Option Here)
Video: Contrast, Brightness, Color, Tint, Sharpness
Setup: Menu Timeout
Menu Position
Rename Inputs
Rename Formats
Screen Setup
Image Setup: Adjust On/Off, H-Position, H-Size, V-Position, V-Size
Custom Format: Horizontal: 1280, Vertical: 720 (can be adjusted)
Relay Setup
Power Setup
Lamp Hours

So, as you can see by the Setup alone, the menu options are now more extensive! You can adjust the Image by position and size, so if you have a DVD Player or DirecTV box that needs some adjusting because it doesn't fit your screen...customize it! Make it fit. No more are the annoying timecodes at the top of some broadcasts that are put together with sloppyness! My xbox needed some adjustments and it now fits perfectly on the screen. Very nice! And as Steve Moore stated, you can use an anamorphic lens now and be able to scale it however you like. Kudos to DWIN for a fine job on the upgrade! I'm loving the projector all over again!

What I wasn't able to do on my last bulb :rolleyes: was get it ISF calibrated. I will do it on this bulb. Any idea on how many hours I should have on the bulb before I call someone out to calibrate? Just curious.

If you have any questions, please let me know!

Chris

**EDIT** Just tried to fix the solarization issue that I mentioned earlier and the "original" service mode code no longer works. :( Guess I'll have to wait on this one. Man is does it look awful on red/black scenes! Turns it pinkish/purple. Blech!

Rob Tomlin

07-01-04, 10:39 AM

I had the Solarization issue. My PJ went back to Dwin for a fix. That was 5 or 6 months ago. The problem is arising again.

Chris, can you tell me how you fixed this with the old chip? I was told you had to adjust the speed of the color wheel.

Chris Rein

07-01-04, 11:01 AM

Rob, that is correct. I think the setting was called "Index delay" or "Index Setting" something like that. From what I've seen/been told is it's around the 200's like 205-207.

From my experience, it was best to find a scene on DVD that has the problem, pause it and then adjust it in small increments. There is a slight pause between each number before it kicks in. What I don't know is if this changes anything else or if it could potentially harm the unit. The last time I did it, I changed the numbers by about 3.

I threw in Blade II last night and it has the PERFECT solarization pattern (is this a good or bad thing?). Just start the movie and watch the New Line logo in red on the black background. It's pinkish/purple on mine. MGM curtain logo on the beginning of the discs is a good reference too, but you can't pause it...or at least on my DVD Player you can't.

Hope that helps!

metallicafreak

07-01-04, 11:40 AM

so what can you do under 'Custom'?
Is the chip upgrade going to affect calibration? I had it ISF'd about 2 months ago.
The chip is in the scaler right? Would I only need to send that to them?
FREAK!

Steve*Moore

07-01-04, 12:05 PM

You can replace the chip yourself, just give them a call.

Steve

Fred DeGrandis

07-07-04, 03:05 PM

My Whisperflow Hushbox Review!
I have had my projector for over a year now, and I love the huge crystal clear image it throws. Sitting right under the fan isn’t terrible, but when I heard about Whisper flow, I became excited knowing that the fan noise would soon be taken care of. I did a search for whisper flow on the forums and turned up more threads than I could read, all with positive experiences with Dave and Whisper flow.

I decided to give Dave a call to see what he could do for me, and we worked out a design that would go over my existing mount because I already had everything mounted on the ceiling. We talked color, options, and everything else that possible came to mind. I told Dave to give me the fully-loaded model with every option, and within a day, he sent me a written estimate outlining every different cost in the unit. The hush box needed to serve several purposes in my setup. I wanted the hush box to silence the fans, keep the unit at a safe operating temperature, direct the exhaust fan away from me, and FILTER THE INTAKE AIR! Although the TV3 is a wonderful projector, the lack of a filter makes one wonder what someone was smoking during the design of this unit. With in mind, I had Dave use Edmunds optic glass to seal the cabinet, filters for the intake fan, DB reducing foam for the unit on the inside, a fear switch that wont let the projector operate unless the fans are running, baffles to direct the sound and exhaust away from me, and much more. I was happy with the price, and based on Dave’s reputation around the forums, I knew that I would be very happy with my Hush box.

Fast forward now to delivery date (Dave custom makes every hush box per your projectors specs, so it takes 2 weeks or so), and the box that it came in was HUGE! I immediately grew nervous because I didn’t have a clue as to how big this box was, so I quickly opened it up. I was surprised when I opened the box up, because the unit was packed so well. I have seen plutonium that wasn’t packed as carefully. It would be safe to say that I won’t ever need to buy bubble wrap again. After the twenty five minutes that it took me to unpack this thing, I was very impressed with the build quality of this unit, and amazed at how heavy this thing was. From the pictures, I was expecting it to be thin plastic, but this was heavy duty material and it blended into my ceiling perfectly. The box is built like a tank! Also, from comments from the forums, I had a fear that the hush box would be an eyesore. My fears alleviated when I saw the hush box on the ceiling, it almost has an art quality to it.

Installing this wasn’t bad, but I did need two people to aid in the installation. When everything was up, it was the moment of truth... Would this box do everything that I hoped it would? As I turned on the fans, I was very surprised to see how quiet they really were. To see if they were on, I put my hand up to check and see(because I couldn’t hear them at all). Everything worked as Dave had said it would. The fear switch worked great, I couldn’t hear the unit at all, there was actually a filter!!!, and the box even killed the light spill that the Dwin has a little of. It directed the exhaust fan away from me, and kept the unit at a safe operating temperature. The Edmunds optic glass is really cool stuff, If you hold it in front of your face, it doesn’t look like anything is there. There is no loss in picture quality when projecting through this stuff, and I highly recommend going with the optional Edmunds glass on a hush box.

In conclusion, I wouldn’t hesitate to recommend a Whisperflow hush box to anyone. My purchase was one that I would do again in a second, and if I could go back in time, I would tall myself to get one of these a year ago! I am very happy with my purchase and my experience with Dave and Whisperflow. Not only does his product quiet my home theater, but it also protects my investment (no dust, and keeping the unit at a good temperature). If you are considering going with a hush box, do yourself a favor and call Dave now. Every time you are in your home theater, look up at the projector and tell yourself that there is something that I can do about this noise, and it is just one call away. Add me to the LONG list of satisfied Whisperflow customers.

I will post pictures later tonight