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alg2468
06-14-09, 01:12 PM
No WHDH in R.I. with dedicated large VHF that showed a snowy analog 7.
Analog Boston UHF stations with way more snow lock in fine with digital. Lower band VHF not good for DTV.
Back to channel 10 with the lipsync problems. :(
Regarding WHDH-DT signal issues:

Ch 7's Larry Weil explains

http://lists.bostonradio.org/pipermail/boston-radio-interest/2009-June/021140.html

>>only half of the transmitter has been
installed. Only after the old Larcan analog transmitter is removed
can the other half of the Harris DTV transmitter be installed.

alg2468
06-14-09, 01:20 PM
:)WJAR-Dt must have increased its power and raised its antenna height in Rehoboth early, because as of yesterday night a friend of mine in Melrose, MA (6 miles north of Boston) started getting the signal, and it comes in fairly strong using the Antennas Direct DB4 (which I installed). Even more surprising is that they now get WLNE-DT very well too, and the station never announced that they were going to increase their power and height. :eek: Both stations never could be received there, and for that matter had weak to no signals most places north of Route 128. Still no sign of WPRi-DT, WNAC-DT, WLWC-Dt, or WSBE-Dt.

wingnutdad620
06-14-09, 05:55 PM
It seems that every weekend, I can not get the HD channels offered by COX. I have the TV, I have the box, I have the service but more often than not I get the "temporarily off air, please try back later". Very frustrating. I really only want to watch/dvr a couple of programs but end up doing it on the digital channel so that I at least get the show.

What's up with that?

Javelin
06-14-09, 06:36 PM
It seems that every weekend, I can not get the HD channels offered by COX. I have the TV, I have the box, I have the service but more often than not I get the "temporarily off air, please try back later". Very frustrating. I really only want to watch/dvr a couple of programs but end up doing it on the digital channel so that I at least get the show.

What's up with that?

Have you called Cox? Could be a hardware problem?

Ph8te
06-14-09, 11:49 PM
It seems that every weekend, I can not get the HD channels offered by COX. I have the TV, I have the box, I have the service but more often than not I get the "temporarily off air, please try back later". Very frustrating. I really only want to watch/dvr a couple of programs but end up doing it on the digital channel so that I at least get the show.

What's up with that?

Sounds like a possible signal strength issue, I would call Cox for a roll out to check the signal levels at your house and or at the connection coming to your TV. If you have splitters make sure that they are the correct ones. Either way I would call Cox for a roll out to test your connections.

Brian.Leveille
06-16-09, 12:12 AM
I have a UHF antenna now and have lost ch7 out of Boston since the June 16th switchover. Losing ch7 forces me to watch ch10 for NBC, and it's almost unwatchable because of the lip-sync issues.

Why is the audio so off on ch10??

throwinsevens
06-16-09, 11:33 AM
:)WJAR-Dt must have increased its power and raised its antenna height in Rehoboth early, because as of yesterday night a friend of mine in Melrose, MA (6 miles north of Boston) started getting the signal, and it comes in fairly strong using the Antennas Direct DB4 (which I installed). Even more surprising is that they now get WLNE-DT very well too, and the station never announced that they were going to increase their power and height. :eek: Both stations never could be received there, and for that matter had weak to no signals most places north of Route 128. Still no sign of WPRi-DT, WNAC-DT, WLWC-Dt, or WSBE-Dt.

WLNE-DT has not increased power or made any changes whatsoever. According to signal plots of the signal, WLNE-DT should be able to be seen as far north as Waltham barring any obstructions with a good high UHF antenna. Maybe the weather was good for signal propagation?

N1ZZN
06-16-09, 11:50 AM
Regarding WHDH-DT signal issues:

Ch 7's Larry Weil explains

http://lists.bostonradio.org/pipermail/boston-radio-interest/2009-June/021140.html

>>only half of the transmitter has been
installed. Only after the old Larcan analog transmitter is removed
can the other half of the Harris DTV transmitter be installed.

Larry posted again yesterday saying that the original post about only half of the new channel 7 transmitter being online was false.

http://lists.bostonradio.org/pipermail/boston-radio-interest/2009-June/021178.html

alg2468
06-16-09, 03:49 PM
Larry posted again yesterday saying that the original post about only half of the new channel 7 transmitter being online was false.

http://lists.bostonradio.org/pipermail/boston-radio-interest/2009-June/021178.html
Larry W. forwards an email: Ch 7 is simulcasting now on Ch 42 (so, rescan) More at link below

http://lists.bostonradio.org/pipermail/boston-radio-interest/2009-June/021194.html

ctdish
06-16-09, 06:43 PM
:)WJAR-Dt must have increased its power and raised its antenna height in Rehoboth early, because as of yesterday night a friend of mine in Melrose, MA (6 miles north of Boston) started getting the signal, and it comes in fairly strong using the Antennas Direct DB4 (which I installed). Even more surprising is that they now get WLNE-DT very well too, and the station never announced that they were going to increase their power and height. :eek: Both stations never could be received there, and for that matter had weak to no signals most places north of Route 128. Still no sign of WPRi-DT, WNAC-DT, WLWC-Dt, or WSBE-Dt.

WJAR was running PSA's indicating that it going to increase power to improve signal. They said it would be done by June 12. The FCC filing shows a modification request to raise power slightly and move the antenna up about 27 meters. I am not seeing much change here though. WJARengineer used to post here maybe he could answer better.
WPRI and WNAC are on VHF channels so your DB4 will not be very effective for them.
John

WJAR Engineer
06-16-09, 08:30 PM
The tower crew that is installing our new top mount antenna arrived today they were running a few weeks behind schedule due to the change of the digital transition date. They say it should take two weeks to complete the installation weather permitting.
A few notes WLNE will not be transmitting from this antenna they will stay on the exsiting side mount antenna this antenna is just for us. We will also be making a minor upward change in power output.
We are working on the lip-sync problems with NBC HD sorry about this problem it is taking us longer to get fixed than it should.

Mark

ctdish
06-16-09, 09:37 PM
Mark,
Thanks for the information. Let us know when it is completed and I will see what difference it makes here. Will the new antenna have the same directional pattern as the old one? Also suprised that WLNE is staying on the lower antenna.
John

alg2468
06-17-09, 11:03 AM
Mark,
Thanks for the information. Let us know when it is completed and I will see what difference it makes here. Will the new antenna have the same directional pattern as the old one? Also suprised that WLNE is staying on the lower antenna.
John
I'd like to see WJAR's new antenna with the increased power output lessen its sharp signal null to the northeast so that viewers in the adjacent Boston market who lost the signal pick it up again. The Boston OTA board has several posters who are surprized they cannot get WJAR (and several other Providence stations) even though most of the Boston market is less than 40 miles away from the Rehoboth towers. I don' know why the station (and WLNE to a slightly lesser extent) has to null its signal in that direction. Many Boston area viewers got the analog signals of the Providence stations very well, but very weak to nonexistent in digital. For comparison, Boston's stations don't have a sharp null toward the Providence market andcan easily be received. It makes no sense. There's already something called cable and satellite restricting adjacent market signals - why restrict OTA viewers, too?

throwinsevens
06-20-09, 01:23 PM
I'd like to see WJAR's new antenna with the increased power output lessen its sharp signal null to the northeast so that viewers in the adjacent Boston market who lost the signal pick it up again. The Boston OTA board has several posters who are surprized they cannot get WJAR (and several other Providence stations) even though most of the Boston market is less than 40 miles away from the Rehoboth towers. I don' know why the station (and WLNE to a slightly lesser extent) has to null its signal in that direction. Many Boston area viewers got the analog signals of the Providence stations very well, but very weak to nonexistent in digital. For comparison, Boston's stations don't have a sharp null toward the Providence market andcan easily be received. It makes no sense. There's already something called cable and satellite restricting adjacent market signals - why restrict OTA viewers, too?

There are two possibilities in my mind as to why the null exists. The first reason is due to the nature of antenna gain. Antennas increase gain by making the signal more directional. Most of the gain in a television transmitter antenna is produced by limiting the signal output in the vertical plane, that is to say sending less signal into space and toward the ground, and directing it toward the horizontal plane instead. The antenna engineers may have decided to put the signal null to the northeast to boost it's power to the south and west to more effectively cover their DMA.

The second reason I can think of is that the side-mount antenna is mounted on the southwest side of the tower. The null may be designed to eliminate power towards the tower itself, or may be caused by the tower itself.

ctdish
06-20-09, 02:48 PM
The FCC filing for the new antenna shows a similar beampattern. Both had what I would consider small nulls generally in the Northeast. The old antenna was down about 7 dB and the new on is down about 6 dB, if I am reading them correctly. This is much less of a null than I had from WNAC on channel 54 which was in the 15 to 20 dB level. It was not easy but I could receive it here 50 miles away.
They WJAR nulls may be required to prevent interference with some other channel 51 station.

John

W1KNE
06-21-09, 01:37 PM
Mark can explain it more, but as I understand it, WJAR and WLNE's antennas are directionalized to focus more power over their core market of Rhode Island.

WNAC-DT's 54 null was protecting WEDN on 53. (We even had to run the exciter as N+1 on 54 due to WEDN).

WSBE-DT 21's power limitation and very sharp null is against WLWC-DT on 22.

ctdish
06-21-09, 03:23 PM
Strange that they made you protect channel 53 when WHPX wiped out two Hartford adajacent network channels here. Also there seems to be lots of cochannel interference both before and after the digital transition. Now WNAC is about the strongest thing I get from Providence.
John

W1KNE
06-21-09, 05:38 PM
The difference is, that's digtial-digital. We were digital-analog.
There are many examples of DT's protecting analogs
(i.e. WFXT-DT protecting WNNE)

taugust04
06-23-09, 10:07 PM
I've been seeing FIOS trucks all over Bristol and Newport counties in RI, yet the Verizon web site still lists the service as being unavailable in those areas. Does anyone have any information on when FIOS may go live in either of those areas?

Ph8te
06-24-09, 01:45 AM
I've been seeing FIOS trucks all over Bristol and Newport counties in RI, yet the Verizon web site still lists the service as being unavailable in those areas. Does anyone have any information on when FIOS may go live in either of those areas?

I havent heard anything in a long time about the development of FIOS in South County. While I hate to send you elsewhere, since there is no real FIOS new here I have no choice. I would head over to Dslreports as they have FIOS dedicated forums and you will probably get a better answer over there.

alg2468
06-25-09, 03:55 PM
Has anyone had trouble getting WMFP-DT 18 and WUNI-DT 29 OTA since the weekend? Seems like the station is either very weak or cannot get a signal since then. Maybe the stations are working on their transmitters?

jakemgold
06-28-09, 08:24 PM
MSNBC HD is launching tomorrow... this is one of the few SD channels I still watch with any regularity.

Looks like Cablevision (irrelevant to RI) and Verizon (very relevant competition) are planning to launch it very quickly.

Insofar as we have all the other NBC-Universal channels, I would think it would be easy contractually, much like the Planet Green HD launch.

Wondering if there's any news or teasers on the front... if Eric is listening. :)

Joe3
06-29-09, 11:18 AM
TMC has gone HD, any word as to when it might arrive?

EJW_CoxNE
06-29-09, 04:08 PM
MSNBC HD is launching tomorrow... this is one of the few SD channels I still watch with any regularity.

Looks like Cablevision (irrelevant to RI) and Verizon (very relevant competition) are planning to launch it very quickly.

Insofar as we have all the other NBC-Universal channels, I would think it would be easy contractually, much like the Planet Green HD launch.

Wondering if there's any news or teasers on the front... if Eric is listening. :)

TMC has gone HD, any word as to when it might arrive?

NBA HD is still on the immediate horizon. I haven't yet heard anything regarding MSNBC or TMC, but our plan is to continue to free up bandwidth to increase our number of HD channels. When I hear anything about either of these, you'll be the first to know.

ricomputerguy
06-29-09, 08:35 PM
NBA HD is still on the immediate horizon. I haven't yet heard anything regarding MSNBC or TMC, but our plan is to continue to free up bandwidth to increase our number of HD channels. When I hear anything about either of these, you'll be the first to know.

thanks
I hate cox for this we wait and wait I love to see TWC and MSNBC and WGN supper station but I won't hold my breath for it
what about twc or multi room dvr or tivo or the new INTERNET service 50 MB or new cable guide

alg2468
07-01-09, 04:46 PM
Has anyone had trouble getting WMFP-DT 18 and WUNI-DT 29 OTA since the weekend? Seems like the station is either very weak or cannot get a signal since then. Maybe the stations are working on their transmitters?
According to the station, WUNI-DT is on very low power until the beginning of July due to transmitter repairs. Still no sign of WMFP-DT.

W1KNE
07-02-09, 09:20 PM
NBA HD is still on the immediate horizon. I haven't yet heard anything regarding MSNBC or TMC, but our plan is to continue to free up bandwidth to increase our number of HD channels. When I hear anything about either of these, you'll be the first to know.


Any word on The Weather Channel HD?

Also any word why the cable signal drops when the power fails?
Do the nodes not have a battery backup? I know the Comcast plant in Agawam would remain on during a power outage, I am thinking the power supplies all had batteries in them.

Noticed this both at our studio in East Providence and my residence in Riverside.

Ph8te
07-02-09, 10:12 PM
Any word on The Weather Channel HD?

Also any word why the cable signal drops when the power fails?
Do the nodes not have a battery backup? I know the Comcast plant in Agawam would remain on during a power outage, I am thinking the power supplies all had batteries in them.

Noticed this both at our studio in East Providence and my residence in Riverside.

You are not going to see TWC until they start broadcasting local on the 8's in HD. This was pretty much said by Amy a long while back.

As far as the cable signal issue you may need to be more specific....Do you have a generator at your house in East Providence? If not then how can you be sure the cable signal is dropping without having power to the TV....

I know when I used to work for Cox a long time ago, even when there were power outages Cox was still going. This of course was only if there were no down cables\poles\ect. in the area which might lead to outages.

RPMcCormick
07-02-09, 10:26 PM
Any word on The Weather Channel HD?I've had the Weather Channel HD since it was launched - via DirecTV. Initially it was horrible ... the audio was way out of sync and there were other technical issues. But they cleaned it up and it was great: especially the new studios and wide shots. But IMO it has really gone downhill over the last few months ... now they have computer generated images on the left hand side and have reduced the camera shot significantly. That coupled with how many hours a day they don't have weather but instead Storm Stories et al - I now look towards local stations that have local weather on their digital subchannels.

zitogp
07-04-09, 08:11 AM
Anyone know why, having COX Basic connected directly to TV (no box, no antenna), my tuner is not picking up the local HD stations consistently. After numerous autoscans, 75% of the time I won't get any local HD stations. The other 25% of the time I'll get 2 or 3 out of the 5 HD stations (2-1, 6-1, 10-1, 12-1, 64-1) and not always the same 2 or 3 ! This has happened only recently, and was working fine for over a year ? Thanks for listening, and I'd appreciate any info on this subject...

wingnutdad620
07-04-09, 06:04 PM
I posted earlier about the same situation but I wasn't as clear as I should have been. What happens to me, with a Cox DVR box is that I'll get the "free" HD channels, more times than not the video and audio cuts in and out so I am forced to watch the SD channels. Other times the HD channels, including Showtime and HBO, display a blue cox screen that says "temporarily off air" please try back later.

zitogp
07-04-09, 09:04 PM
Anyone know why, having COX Basic connected directly to TV (no box, no antenna), my tuner is not picking up the local HD stations consistently. After numerous autoscans, 75% of the time I won't get any local HD stations. The other 25% of the time I'll get 2 or 3 out of the 5 HD stations (2-1, 6-1, 10-1, 12-1, 64-1) and not always the same 2 or 3 ! This has happened only recently, and was working fine for over a year ? Thanks for listening, and I'd appreciate any info on this subject...

Yes I did read your post. The problem you describe, I believe, is a bit different from what I'm experiencing, although equally as frustrating. I think this forum is my last hope, as COX customer support won't even admit to me that they provide HD channels over basic cable (i.e. w/o a box)....

Ph8te
07-05-09, 11:04 PM
I posted earlier about the same situation but I wasn't as clear as I should have been. What happens to me, with a Cox DVR box is that I'll get the "free" HD channels, more times than not the video and audio cuts in and out so I am forced to watch the SD channels. Other times the HD channels, including Showtime and HBO, display a blue cox screen that says "temporarily off air" please try back later.

Yes I did read your post. The problem you describe, I believe, is a bit different from what I'm experiencing, although equally as frustrating. I think this forum is my last hope, as COX customer support won't even admit to me that they provide HD channels over basic cable (i.e. w/o a box)....

These types of issues are usually related to a signal level issue or some type os interference occuring either fromt he poll to the house or somewhere inside. I would call Cox and ask for a roll out. If you dont have the Service Assurance plan I would add it so that if they do find the problem resides in your house the truck roll will cost you nothing (besides the monthly fee).

W1KNE
07-07-09, 01:59 PM
As far as the cable signal issue you may need to be more specific....Do you have a generator at your house in East Providence? If not then how can you be sure the cable signal is dropping without having power to the TV....


Well if you noticed in my post, I mentioned both here and at work.
At work, we do have backup UPS and generators.

At home, strictly UPS which feeds cable modem.

A month or so ago, we lost power in the middle of the daytime while at work, the backup generators fired up, however the cable plant feeding the building was gone. (The building is on a mains- generator. So there is no section without power while on generator).

Last Wednesday, power out at my house. I went to shut down the PC, had no internet connectivity, the cable modem indicated it had no signal.

So yes I do have backups to be able to tell this...
Now I am close enough to work that both my house and work are possibly on the same Node. I don't know, I haven't bothered to ask.
I'll ask the head-end about it later today when i go into work.

LawrenceWelkMH
07-08-09, 02:19 PM
Hi All Hope All Are Well . I Just Wanted to Post This Quick Note That the On-deamnd Menu has Changed. For Exp. the Cassics Movies are in the main Menu now. You No longer have to go into the Movies On demand Menu and Freezone HD in Now in the Main Menu as Well thire is Also a New service called Faith & famly Movies All the Movies are Free. and on-deamnd Finaly Changed WWE 24/7 to WWE Claassics .


Have a Good Day All & Keep Well
Matt:)

Ph8te
07-09-09, 12:03 AM
Well if you noticed in my post, I mentioned both here and at work.
At work, we do have backup UPS and generators.

At home, strictly UPS which feeds cable modem.

A month or so ago, we lost power in the middle of the daytime while at work, the backup generators fired up, however the cable plant feeding the building was gone. (The building is on a mains- generator. So there is no section without power while on generator).

Last Wednesday, power out at my house. I went to shut down the PC, had no internet connectivity, the cable modem indicated it had no signal.

So yes I do have backups to be able to tell this...
Now I am close enough to work that both my house and work are possibly on the same Node. I don't know, I haven't bothered to ask.
I'll ask the head-end about it later today when i go into work.

This is most likely something you would want to call in and report since you can verify it at two different locations which are most likely within the same node. Cable service should not be interrupted unless there is a main cable down, or something more drastic as Cox still has to provide phone service during these power outages (one of the selling points of their Modems with battery backups).

If you do loose signal it should not be for an extended period of time either. At least when I worked for Cox the only time they would credit your service would be when you service was out for 24+ hours. As we all know outages do happen for time to time for various reasons, but if you can link the two you may want to "send it on up the ladder" to see what the response is. If calling doesnt work PM the Cox rep here to see if they can get anything done or get any sort of reply.

ricomputerguy
07-14-09, 11:41 AM
hi
anyone now anything new onscreen cable guide? supposed to be coming in the late summer? anything on more HD or faster internet speeds? or DVRS with Bigger Harddrives? Am running out of room with BIG BROTHER 11 lol
thanks for any updates

The Wizard
07-15-09, 04:14 PM
Hi All Hope All Are Well . I Just Wanted to Post This Quick Note That the On-deamnd Menu has Changed. For Exp. the Cassics Movies are in the main Menu now. You No longer have to go into the Movies On demand Menu and Freezone HD in Now in the Main Menu as Well thire is Also a New service called Faith & famly Movies All the Movies are Free. and on-deamnd Finaly Changed WWE 24/7 to WWE Claassics .
Matt:)

Can you talk normally so that folks can understand what you're trying to say?
Or does it always come out like this??
:mad:

LawrenceWelkMH
07-16-09, 11:20 AM
Can you talk normally so that folks can understand what you're trying to say?
Or does it always come out like this??
:mad:

It's Just the Way It Comes Out I Can't Help it :)

LawrenceWelkMH
07-16-09, 11:28 AM
Hi Folks. Just Wanted To tell evreyone That Cox On-Demand Is Getting A Face Lift. in the Next Few Weeks . I Just Got Of The Phone With Cox About a Problem With On-demand. And The Cox Rep. Told me That On-Deamand Is Getting a Face Lift. The Rep. Also Told Me That Sometime In The Fall Between Oct. & Dec of this Year. Cox Is Looking to Upgrade The Guide & the Newer Boxes. With Bigger hard drives Will Be Out But For now. Cox Is Just Working on The On-Demand Upgrade . The Rep Said we all should Be Getting Notcies soon About the On-Demand Upgrade.

Thanks
Matt:)

alg2468
07-16-09, 04:09 PM
I read a while ago that WJAR, WPRI, WNAC,and WLNE were requesting power increases or antenna height increases to the FCC. Anyone heard about when and if they are talking place?

N1ZZN
07-16-09, 08:26 PM
WJAR-DT must now be on the new antenna. I'm now receiving them quite strong with my channel master 4228 antenna, and Insignia converter box.

Before today, they would not even decode at all here in Hanson, MA. Hanson is probably directly behind where the other antenna is mounted, so obviously that is no longer a problem with the antenna now on top. This is definitely not just due to conditions, because WSBE and WLNE are still the same, not decoding at all.

alg2468
07-18-09, 11:37 PM
WJAR-DT must now be on the new antenna. I'm now receiving them quite strong with my channel master 4228 antenna, and Insignia converter box.

Before today, they would not even decode at all here in Hanson, MA. Hanson is probably directly behind where the other antenna is mounted, so obviously that is no longer a problem with the antenna now on top. This is definitely not just due to conditions, because WSBE and WLNE are still the same, not decoding at all.
WJAR's new antenna according to their website is to go into operation on July 20th, but I'll take your word fr it, they may have started using the new antenna early. There has been no change from my location in Pawtucket - a strong signal as usual, but I notice WLNE has gotten a bit stronger lately, from my location WJAR and WLNE have the same signal strength. I'm surprized you cannot decode WLNE, according to tvfool.com, in Hanson (the downtown), it gives off an effective radiated power of 63 kw, which should still be enough to decode, but WJAR gives off an ERP of 254kw. Both stations, located only 26 miles from Hanson, don't give their full power in that direction, but should be recievable. I have a 4221 (4 bay) and it is a powerful antenna, and the 4228 is the 8 bay version of that. You might want to try to raise your antenna height, and/or add an amplifier if you don't have one to get more of the Providence stations. For the record,
as far as the other area Providence stations, WPRI and WNAC give off 30 kw (their full power) in Hanson, WLWC (located in Freetown) gives off 394 kw, and WSBE gives off only 7 kw in that direction (out of 50 total), so you may have trouble getting that weak signal.

mkmck
07-19-09, 07:03 PM
Hi all...I'm a new member to the forum from Burrillville, though I've been reading it for a while. Lots of good info here!

I was wondering if anyone has any updates about Channel 10's audio/video sync issues on it's network HD broadcast. I have emailed them 3 times, as well as NBC, and have gotten no reply from anyone. It doesn't matter whether I watch OTA or Cox...both are badly out of sync and driving me insane. Any recent word on a fix for this? Thanks!

DM2006RI
07-20-09, 10:37 AM
Hi Folks. Just Wanted To tell evreyone That Cox On-Demand Is Getting A Face Lift. in the Next Few Weeks . I Just Got Of The Phone With Cox About a Problem With On-demand. And The Cox Rep. Told me That On-Deamand Is Getting a Face Lift. The Rep. Also Told Me That Sometime In The Fall Between Oct. & Dec of this Year. Cox Is Looking to Upgrade The Guide & the Newer Boxes. With Bigger hard drives Will Be Out But For now. Cox Is Just Working on The On-Demand Upgrade . The Rep Said we all should Be Getting Notcies soon About the On-Demand Upgrade.

Thanks
Matt:)

No offense but what does this have to do with HDTV BROADCASTING in the Providence RI market? If Cox has a discussion board somewhere else on the net about their services and upgrades, this would be big news there I'm sure. But it has no place in this topic, even though most of the last 10 pages seem to be an endless discussion about their Caller ID and On-Demand services. :rolleyes:

DM2006RI
07-20-09, 10:39 AM
Does anyone have any updates on WSBE? Their signal seems to be flaking out more and more as time goes on. I never used to have issues but last night (7/19) the signal was out completely.

DM2006RI
07-20-09, 10:42 AM
Hi all...I'm a new member to the forum from Burrillville, though I've been reading it for a while. Lots of good info here!

I was wondering if anyone has any updates about Channel 10's audio/video sync issues on it's network HD broadcast. I have emailed them 3 times, as well as NBC, and have gotten no reply from anyone. It doesn't matter whether I watch OTA or Cox...both are badly out of sync and driving me insane. Any recent word on a fix for this? Thanks!

Completely agreed that it's irritating and it's been going on for months. Last we heard someone from WJAR said they were working on it...hopefully they'll get it corrected asap.

Ken H
07-20-09, 11:41 AM
No offense but what does this have to do with HDTV BROADCASTING in the Providence RI market?Because Cox offers HD service in this area, including HD on demand.

Local HD topics include all local ways to get HDTV, including cable and DBS, not just over-the-air. Some larger TV markets have multiple local topics.

....even though most of the last 10 pages seem to be an endless discussion about their Caller ID and On-Demand services.Other cable or DBS subjects unrelated to HDTV can have limited discussion in local topics. If it gets to be too much, let me know.

mppy129
07-22-09, 09:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J79NBSWdQGU Hmmm does this mean WPRI is going HD soon?

RoyGBiv
07-23-09, 07:51 AM
That would be nice. I might actually watch local news then (instead of watching Boston).

SMK

mkmck
07-26-09, 07:09 AM
Completely agreed that it's irritating and it's been going on for months. Last we heard someone from WJAR said they were working on it...hopefully they'll get it corrected asap.

It looks to me like they have finally fixed it. The problem hasn't been noticeable at all over the last couple of days...the NBC Nightly News and the Tonight Show don't look like an old Japanese movie anymore!

jakemgold
07-28-09, 03:47 PM
Cox CT forum reporting these channels being added Aug 12:

NBA TV HD 713
MSNBC HD 742
TMC HD 795
MoreMAX HD 796

RI usually gets the same channels CT gets around the same time. List sounds plausible... adding secondary premium channels in the 790 range... we were supposed to get NBA TV before but it was delayed. And MSNBC HD and TMC HD are popular requests.

bardot861
07-28-09, 03:59 PM
Hello All:
With regard to WSBE - for past month or more - no reception here in South County. Are there any plans to increase power output? When station was available as 36.1 and 36.2 it gave us such pride to be represented with our own local PBS representative. Course I almost joined during one of their pledge drives - but that was before it became apparent station was going to speak w a muted ....voice. Are there plans to give a stronger signal? Or should I just get my head right - that free tv is only for those not transmitter deprived.
Barry

jakemgold
07-28-09, 04:17 PM
http://www.dpuc.state.ct.us/DPUCUndocketed.nsf/6e9beec82815c42f85256a61005a47fc/85256a63004def96852576010050fa5c/$FILE/Cox%20Communications%20notice%20of%20programming%20additions .PDF

New channel announcement for CT (citation for previous post)

ctdish
07-28-09, 06:12 PM
The FCC's web site doesn't indicate that WSBE has applied to run any higher power.
John

alg2468
07-29-09, 11:36 AM
According to the WJAR web site, WJAR's digital transmitter work is complete as of June 20 and the station is transmitting antenna is at the top of their tower with more power. Is anyone viewing TV over the air noticing any difference since June 20 with WJAR's signal, and for that matter, WLNE's signal, as they are also on WJAR's tower just slighhtly below WJAR's antenna? Here on the Pawtucket/Attleboro border, i do not notice any difference, and the signal level for both WJAR and WLNE are still equal (very strong).

WJAR Engineer
07-29-09, 02:03 PM
WJAR has completed the installation of our new top mount antenna and we are radiating from it, WLNE will continue to radiate from the side mount antenna which we will use as a backup.

Mark

nheagle
07-29-09, 03:12 PM
WJAR has completed the installation of our new top mount antenna and we are radiating from it, WLNE will continue to radiate from the side mount antenna which we will use as a backup.

Mark

Thanks Mark. What you didn't say is have you also increased power? I do not want to assume anything. I notice no difference in signal strength except on good tropo days. In fact I now get more bars on WNAC than WJAR so thinking they have increased their power to the max 30W.

WJAR Engineer
07-29-09, 03:35 PM
Thanks Mark. What you didn't say is have you also increased power? I do not want to assume anything. I notice no difference in signal strength except on good tropo days. In fact I now get more bars on WNAC than WJAR so thinking they have increased their power to the max 30W.


Our power increase is minimal going from 974KW to 1000KW ERP.

Mark

ctdish
07-29-09, 08:19 PM
The increase in height shows up here in their fringe area. Propagation was above average today but WJAR picked up a few dB over WLNE that it did not have in the past.
Mark did you put up a single channel antenna?
John

WJAR Engineer
07-29-09, 11:54 PM
The increase in height shows up here in their fringe area. Propagation was above average today but WJAR picked up a few dB over WLNE that it did not have in the past.
Mark did you put up a single channel antenna?
John

John:

This is a Ch. 51 only antenna.

Mark

EJW_CoxNE
07-30-09, 12:48 PM
Cox CT forum reporting these channels being added Aug 12:

NBA TV HD 713
MSNBC HD 742
TMC HD 795
MoreMAX HD 796

RI usually gets the same channels CT gets around the same time. List sounds plausible... adding secondary premium channels in the 790 range... we were supposed to get NBA TV before but it was delayed. And MSNBC HD and TMC HD are popular requests.

I can confirm that those channels will be arriving on August 12. And yeah, NBA TV was delayed for higher level reasons that I'm privy to.

But be careful what you wish for - you'll now see at least several of these people (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080263/ns/msnbc_tv-about_msnbc_tv/)much more closely.

ricomputerguy
07-30-09, 02:44 PM
how
about discovery ID in HD I keep seeing ID now in HD
or The weather Channel in HD along with WGN Supperstation HD

LawrenceWelkMH
08-01-09, 08:16 PM
I can confirm that those channels will be arriving on August 12. And yeah, NBA TV was delayed for higher level reasons that I'm privy to.

But be careful what you wish for - you'll now see at least several of these people (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080263/ns/msnbc_tv-about_msnbc_tv/)much more closely.

Thats Great news about the HD Channels on Aug 13th. do you happen to know when the on Demand is getting Upgraded ?
Thanks
Matt

ricomputerguy
08-06-09, 11:11 AM
I can confirm that those channels will be arriving on August 12. And yeah, NBA TV was delayed for higher level reasons that I'm privy to.

But be careful what you wish for - you'll now see at least several of these people (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080263/ns/msnbc_tv-about_msnbc_tv/)much more closely.

EJW_coxne
can you get THISTV for Rhode Island? WHDH Boston 7 has it can you please
see or send it to the higher ups and see if WHDH will let you get the THISTV allowed to be transmitted on cox i get here in Newport what a awsome channel CT getting in August
thanks

ricomputerguy
08-06-09, 11:16 AM
also anything on discovery ID in HD
and how about the Tivo interface you were going to release
thanks

jakemgold
08-12-09, 10:10 AM
The new channels are here as promised... of course I don't have any premiums and don't care about NBA...but MSNBC was about the only SD channel I still had to flip out of the 700 range for with some frequency.

Kudos to Cox New England for adding MSNBC HD so quickly after its launch. Now when can I buy an "HD only" plan?? :D

richof
08-12-09, 11:55 AM
Really excellent question. Now that 99.9% of just about anything is available in HD, what are the rest of those other channels for? HD only plan would be great for a lot of people.

jakemgold
08-12-09, 01:46 PM
Really excellent question. Now that 99.9% of just about anything is available in HD, what are the rest of those other channels for? HD only plan would be great for a lot of people.

I'd actually pay almost the same as what I pay now for a plan that was just HD and OnDemand if it included all the HD channels, including the premium ones.

bosoxi
08-13-09, 11:48 PM
Rachel Maddow in high def i think im going to be sick now..thanks cox lol

ricomputerguy
08-15-09, 11:08 AM
WGN Supperstation coming to CT 82
HOPE ITS RI TOO I have been wating with baited breath I really don't care if its not HD
just give me ALF, IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT
its on the CT Public Utlities site

ricomputerguy
08-15-09, 11:49 AM
I JUST CALLED COX I sould not knock them
but had no info on wgn said it only for CT if its on the public utilites page go figure
was told no need RI has RTN yea the old repeats on awfull picture

ricomputerguy
08-15-09, 11:55 AM
also it person on the phone says he sees no call for it.is there any white sox fans on this board just wondering any white sox fan here in RI that would watch it

DM2006RI
08-17-09, 02:15 PM
Must be something odd with the atmosphere because I can get WMTW Channel 8 (Portland ME) late at night quite well and have been for several days running -- down here on the coast in Wakefield RI.

I still have problems getting Channel 44 (Boston) but Channel 8 Portland comes in, at least after midnight!

ricomputerguy
08-17-09, 02:29 PM
WMTW
my favorite station What are you using indoor or outdoor
antenna please let me know ill give it a try

alg2468
08-17-09, 03:57 PM
WMTW
my favorite station What are you using indoor or outdoor
antenna please let me know ill give it a try
The fact that you can receive WMTW is amazing considering that they are on ch 46 and WUVN- ch.18 Hartford, CT -is on ch.46 and you're a lot closer to Hartford, but then I've heard that many in Rhode Island have an easier time receiving stations in southern New Hampshire and Maine than from Connecticut and Western Massachusetts, which is closer, probably due to the hills in Western Rhode Island and Eastern Connecticut.

Trip in VA
08-17-09, 04:02 PM
WMTW is on channel 8.

- Trip

DM2006RI
08-17-09, 04:41 PM
The fact that you can receive WMTW is amazing considering that they are on ch 46 and WUVN- ch.18 Hartford, CT -is on ch.46 and you're a lot closer to Hartford, but then I've heard that many in Rhode Island have an easier time receiving stations in southern New Hampshire and Maine than from Connecticut and Western Massachusetts, which is closer, probably due to the hills in Western Rhode Island and Eastern Connecticut.

It is odd, but I know from experience when you live on the coast strange things can happen.

I recall one day back in the early '90s I had on the Noon news (via our old rooftop antenna) and one of the local channels went out and another signal came in. The signal was pulsating, had no audio, but was coming in clear enough for me to see advertisements for orange groves and a weather forecast...for the state of Florida! I kid you not, it absolutely happened, the whole newscast was obviously for Florida. Lasted about 15-20 minutes and then that was it, but I'll never forget it!

This is the first time I've seen this with digital signals though -- doesn't seem like they travel the same way, or as far. Again, it's only late night, I've seen it around Midnight or 1am (and then gone in the morning), but it's strong enough to watch the 8.2 "NewsNow" subchannel and the local news and such. :)

I find it odd that I have reception issues with some of the Boston channels (especially 44, 38, etc.) while no issues with some of the others (2, 4, and 5 90% of the time are fine), but I guess when you are on the fringe anything can happen.

WMTW
my favorite station What are you using indoor or outdoor
antenna please let me know ill give it a try

RIComputerguy -- just an outdoor Channel Master 4228 on the roof, mounted to the chimney. Again, this doesn't mean I'm getting this station 24/7 -- don't know if it's an atmospheric oddity or what not, but I've been getting it steadily late at night over the last week or so.

DM2006RI
08-17-09, 11:33 PM
Just as a follow-up -- still getting Channel 8 Portland. Was able to watch the entire 11pm news tonight!

alg2468
08-18-09, 11:00 AM
WMTW is on channel 8.

- Trip
You are right - my mistake. WMTW was on ch.46 until the June 12 changeover,when it switched to ch.8.

ricomputerguy
08-18-09, 02:12 PM
GREAT GREAT NEWS
WGN SUPPERSTATION IS COMING YES YES YES but not in HD but who cares
AT LEST WERE GETTING IT:) I Wrote to WGN myself and got the answer. Why cox reps did not know I have no clue it coming in septemer 15th. the hooneymooners are on WGN as well

LawrenceWelkMH
08-18-09, 05:31 PM
GREAT GREAT NEWS
WGN SUPPERSTATION IS COMING YES YES YES but not in HD but who cares
AT LEST WERE GETTING IT:) I Wrote to WGN myself and got the answer. Why cox reps did not know I have no clue it coming in septemer 15th. the hooneymooners are on WGN as well


Yes RIComputerGuy this is great new beacse a funny thing happend this morning i if you have the DVR box form Cox. On CH 37 The W.G.N. Amarica Logo was thrie i though to my self something is up. and Shure enough i was right but as far as getting in HD. It wouldn't Surprize me if we get WGN IN HD Before the Year is over again Thank you for the Great news. Hopefully WGN will Have A HoneyMooners New Years Eve Marthaion

Matt

bosoxi
08-18-09, 07:13 PM
did cox ever have wgn before i remember wpix and wsbk(boston) but can't remember if we use to have wgn i know directv did ...and it will be nice to see the honeymooners again its to bad they ruined tvland and nick at night ..i wish there was a channel that showed all the good old tv shows like honeymooner ,dick van dyke,mary tyler moore and cheers the shows when tv was actually good..and i even miss gilligan lol

ricomputerguy
08-18-09, 09:22 PM
cox had it way way back in 1982 when I was a kid I thought it was so cool to see news from out of state then they replaced it with CNN they ought to try to get wsbk 38 as its no longer it no longer UNP is a independent station but not sure if the FCC would allow it. check out http://www.wgnamerica.com/pages/main
its going to be the best tv station they had added in so long

ricomputerguy
08-19-09, 05:04 PM
confirmed cox e-mail
channel 82 WOW took long enough to get it now hope it comes in HD soon

DM2006RI
08-20-09, 10:06 AM
GREAT GREAT NEWS
WGN SUPPERSTATION IS COMING YES YES YES but not in HD but who cares
AT LEST WERE GETTING IT:) I Wrote to WGN myself and got the answer. Why cox reps did not know I have no clue it coming in septemer 15th. the hooneymooners are on WGN as well

Not to rain on your parade RI computerguy but WGN is a far cry from what it used to be. Not much programming there you can't get elsewhere since they started a "national" feed. Unless you are into Cubs or White Sox games and don't have the MLB package it's pretty useless now.

Joe3
08-20-09, 10:19 AM
TCM HD is beginning to pop-up on cable systems.

Any idea as to when Cox New England might receive Tuner Classic Movies in HD ???

Bstn268
08-20-09, 08:00 PM
I don't believe the PBS broadcast of TOH is on Saturday, so if you have actually seen TOH in HD, then WGBH must have gotten its HD recording gear working. That's great news!

I hope this is the beginning of all the available HD programming actually showing up on WGBH in HD.

SMK
Is That When They Also Changed WGBH's On Screen Bugs As Well?

ricomputerguy
08-21-09, 01:51 AM
Not to rain on your parade RI computerguy but WGN is a far cry from what it used to be. Not much programming there you can't get elsewhere since they started a "national" feed. Unless you are into Cubs or White Sox games and don't have the MLB package it's pretty useless now.

true
but they do have the following shows
in the heat of the night,alf,matlock,barney miller,wkrp
but the 3 or 4 shows they have are fine with me

ricomputerguy
08-25-09, 12:01 AM
I just saw a press release
Arizona gets 50mp downloads on the Ultimate internet for 89.99
we have to 145.00 to get it is cox a rip off or what still waiting on milti room dvr verizon
just came out with one there hd going to 100 channels wish cox would get on the ball
yes with verizon you pay for hd I be will to pay a little for hd though

Ph8te
08-25-09, 11:20 PM
I just saw a press release
Arizona gets 50mp downloads on the Ultimate internet for 89.99
we have to 145.00 to get it is cox a rip off or what still waiting on milti room dvr verizon
just came out with one there hd going to 100 channels wish cox would get on the ball
yes with verizon you pay for hd I be will to pay a little for hd though

Enough, I am usually nice, and ignore posts, but your post spamming of this board is getting to me. Move to Verizon and be done with it. Then you can go complain about FIOS service in their thread.

Cox will get Multi Room DVR when they are done testing it, it was just announced over the summ and we still have 4 months left in the year for it to come out. As far as HD selection Cox has 68 HD channels including PPV and premiums. A large majority of the HD channels that FIOS offers are premuims, so if you dont subscribe dont expect to get 100 HD channels.

As far as pricing for internet goes, its based on market and each market for Cox is its own seperate entity. Prices, channel selection, services are goign to be different becasue of this you cannot judge your service based on antother Cox market.

I am sorry for the rant, but all of these multi posts from "different" users with the same writing style, and "issues" are getting to me.

I guess this is what I get for browsing the forums while not logged in.

/rant

I have heard that Cox is still planning to go live with a few more HD channels by the end of the year, it was the Spetember time frame, but it looks to ahve been pushed. I am thinking now probably after October sometime, but this is pure speculation.

Also, a revamped guide is going to go live 8/26, so be on the look out for that. I am not sure if the is the new NDS guide, but I dont think it is. The NDS guide will be the HD guide with a number of options. You ca see more in the "global" Cox thread.

jakemgold
08-26-09, 11:05 AM
Enough, I am usually nice, and ignore posts, but your post spamming of this board is getting to me. Move to Verizon and be done with it. Then you can go complain about FIOS service in their thread.

Cox will get Multi Room DVR when they are done testing it, it was just announced over the summ and we still have 4 months left in the year for it to come out. As far as HD selection Cox has 68 HD channels including PPV and premiums. A large majority of the HD channels that FIOS offers are premuims, so if you dont subscribe dont expect to get 100 HD channels.

As far as pricing for internet goes, its based on market and each market for Cox is its own seperate entity. Prices, channel selection, services are goign to be different becasue of this you cannot judge your service based on antother Cox market.

I am sorry for the rant, but all of these multi posts from "different" users with the same writing style, and "issues" are getting to me.

I guess this is what I get for browsing the forums while not logged in.

/rant

I have heard that Cox is still planning to go live with a few more HD channels by the end of the year, it was the Spetember time frame, but it looks to ahve been pushed. I am thinking now probably after October sometime, but this is pure speculation.

Also, a revamped guide is going to go live 8/26, so be on the look out for that. I am not sure if the is the new NDS guide, but I dont think it is. The NDS guide will be the HD guide with a number of options. You ca see more in the "global" Cox thread.

As to the rant - amen. Not to discourage continued additions, but Cox pretty much has all the HD channels I care about and watch at this point.

Anyhow, did you mean to say 8/26? That's today. Hope it's true... the current (?) guide is one of the biggest pitfalls IMO.

EJW_CoxNE
08-26-09, 02:31 PM
As you probably noticed, what's here on 8/26 is an upgraded UI for On DEMAND. But there are certainly more changes ahead in the coming months. On DEMAND got a nice facelift today, though.

Bstn268
08-26-09, 06:02 PM
RoyGBiv, I've had my HDDVR set to the Sat 5PM slot for a while now and indeed TOH in HD 2.1.
May have been the previous week also but the DVR was set to tune 2.2.
I notice back to back episodes of TOH again this Sat like last weeks where it had been the 'TOH Hour'.
Thought I'd seen other not in prime time HD programs on 'GBH recently, so looks like recording gear in place.
'Bout time, I've had it well over a year now. :) Perfect ending to '08 though.

Could you please give me screencaps of TOH that you recorded on Saturday December 27, 2008 on WGBH 2? so I can see what it looks like that now it is in HD? And Could You Also Upload That Episode On Youtube if you can?

Ph8te
08-26-09, 06:23 PM
As to the rant - amen. Not to discourage continued additions, but Cox pretty much has all the HD channels I care about and watch at this point.

Anyhow, did you mean to say 8/26? That's today. Hope it's true... the current (?) guide is one of the biggest pitfalls IMO.

Yes 8/26 lol, its live now. Not sure how I feel on the facelift yet, as when you enter the different sections, it seems to get you to random points within the selection. I found myself a few time early on saying where is all the content. Dont forget to change your selections (left\right arrow buttons) as there may be more content available then the first screen shows. I do like the loading percentage screen, and the OD guide does seem to be much faster.

igneous
08-27-09, 08:23 AM
these guide changes seem to be killing my DVR. How much longer til a more modern model is available? This thing is so dated now

EJW_CoxNE
08-27-09, 02:13 PM
these guide changes seem to be killing my DVR. How much longer til a more modern model is available? This thing is so dated now

What model box do you have?

Also, with regard to the changes, you can now access a channel's OD content directly visiting a channel up in the 1000s (you'll see them in the guide). I'm only mentioning this because I hated having to go through OD from the beginning just to get to the Party Down episodes on Starz.

ricomputerguy
08-27-09, 10:54 PM
As you probably noticed, what's here on 8/26 is an upgraded UI for On DEMAND. But there are certainly more changes ahead in the coming months. On DEMAND got a nice facelift today, though.

will that also be the On-Screen TVGUIDE if you can commit on this along with a way to store more content on the DVR as I alway run out or room.

ricomputerguy
08-27-09, 11:00 PM
What model box do you have?

Also, with regard to the changes, you can now access a channel's OD content directly visiting a channel up in the 1000s (you'll see them in the guide). I'm only mentioning this because I hated having to go through OD from the beginning just to get to the Party Down episodes on Starz.

I Did see that and now Love OD more then Ever one of the bust upgrades so far this year!! Can you comment I know there testing Milti Room DVR's if I have 3 dvr's with 3 harddrives 160gb from cox will I still be able to use the 3416 with the Milti Room service? Or will I only be able to have one box. One at cox seems to know at least that answer hope you that answer surfing the internet I found out the service should be here by christmas

igneous
08-28-09, 03:24 PM
What model box do you have?

Also, with regard to the changes, you can now access a channel's OD content directly visiting a channel up in the 1000s (you'll see them in the guide). I'm only mentioning this because I hated having to go through OD from the beginning just to get to the Party Down episodes on Starz.

the DCT6412 with dvi. Ive gone through about three of these, one was the hdmi model, but they're all incredibly slow.

Ph8te
08-28-09, 06:57 PM
the DCT6412 with dvi. Ive gone through about three of these, one was the hdmi model, but they're all incredibly slow.

The 6412 is the problematic DVR for RI, I had to have one switched out for a different model. I still have one 6412 that seems to be going strong, however I have a feeling I might switch that one out to in the future. You may want to have a roll out and specifically request a different model then the 6412, or go into a Cox Location and request the other model (cant think of it off the top of my head).

I havent had any issues with the new OD system and my 6412 though, I was up and watching the opgrade take place, so there were a few reboots that occured during the overnight (3-4 I think) that might have killed your box.

DM2006RI
08-29-09, 11:15 AM
Enough, I am usually nice, and ignore posts, but your post spamming of this board is getting to me. Move to Verizon and be done with it. Then you can go complain about FIOS service in their thread.

Their thread?? lol. Actually this thread is about HDTV in the Providence market....I know you Cox guys have turned it into an exclusive (and incredibly dull) discussion about their services but if you want it be all Cox all the time maybe you should go on the Cox board.

Ken H
08-29-09, 12:04 PM
Limited discussion of providers other services, besides HD, are allowed. If it starts to dominate a topic, it will be deleted. Please use the Report Post button if you feel this is happening.

alg2468
08-31-09, 11:47 PM
Their thread?? lol. Actually this thread is about HDTV in the Providence market....I know you Cox guys have turned it into an exclusive (and incredibly dull) discussion about their services but if you want it be all Cox all the time maybe you should go on the Cox board.
LOL! I agree, this board seems to be dominated continually by discussions of Cox and rarely about OTA HDTV, but as the moderator said, discussions about Cox is allowed here as there is no seperate thread for both Cox and OTA, as there is in the Boston and Hartford boards.

Regarding OTA HDTV in the Providence market, does anyone know the status of any changes in power to WPRI-DT? I know their sister station WNAC is now 30kw, but I thought WPRI was asking for 30kw too.

ricomputerguy
09-01-09, 01:11 AM
There going to be one called cox cable services in RI
am going to start it I did ask KEN H so a head and am going too

ricomputerguy
09-01-09, 01:39 AM
LOL! I agree, this board seems to be dominated continually by discussions of Cox and rarely about OTA HDTV, but as the moderator said, discussions about Cox is allowed here as there is no seperate thread for both Cox and OTA, as there is in the Boston and Hartford boards.

Regarding OTA HDTV in the Providence market, does anyone know the status of any changes in power to WPRI-DT? I know their sister station WNAC is now 30kw, but I thought WPRI was asking for 30kw too.

HI I do kinda agree so I started up a COX CABLE RI
so please lets pass the word around so that everyone knows there a cox cable board
thanks
to ph8te and others sorry to bother you with chatting about cox services hope to see you on the cox ri forum I promiss not to bitch about cox so please come on over

Ken H
09-01-09, 10:43 AM
Here's the new Cox topic for Providence: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1175637

Ph8te
09-01-09, 06:51 PM
Here's the new Cox topic for Providence: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1175637

Ken thanks for the heads up and the new thread. As I have said in the past though, I think this is more of a disservice to our small market then a service. Other markets IMO are big enough to support multiple threads, this market however, I think is too small and it will spell "death" for either thread (most liekly this one). In the past we were able to bounce questions off one another epsecially when it came to channel issues, now I ahve a feeling there is going to be a divide.

DOnt get me wrong I do understand the complaints of the OTA group, and I personally have tried to keep things to HD channels and minimal service announcements lately it has been over crowded with other discussions.

I wish all the OTA group a fond farewell, since I dont use OTA service, this will probably be my last post in this thread. I dont want to muck this thread up any longer with "off topic" discussion.

Davesrave
09-01-09, 09:11 PM
I agree with the previous poster, even though I am a DTV subscriber and a Charter internet subscriber..

W1KNE
09-08-09, 07:59 PM
Regarding OTA HDTV in the Providence market, does anyone know the status of any changes in power to WPRI-DT? I know their sister station WNAC is now 30kw, but I thought WPRI was asking for 30kw too.

WPRI-DT is not at 30kW yet...

The Wizard
09-09-09, 11:00 AM
WPRI-DT is not at 30kW yet...

Are we saying WPRI will be increasing their signal's power soon then?

mppy129
09-09-09, 03:01 PM
Is WNAC planning on making MyNewtorkTV a sub channel now? I was going through my Antenna channels and I've picked up 64-2 MyRI-DT. However it had no sound and was showing an SD version of what was playing on 64-1.

alg2468
09-09-09, 03:31 PM
Are we saying WPRI will be increasing their signal's power soon then?
When visiting a friends house in Melrose, MA to check out the DTV converters and antenna I installed for them, I notice that they are picking up WNAC 64 (RF12), and a slightly weaker signal on WJAR 10 (RF51) and even WLNE 6 (RF49). No signal at all from WPRI 12 (RF13), WLWC 28 (RF22) and WSBE 36 (RF21).

alg2468
09-09-09, 03:33 PM
Has anyone heard about the status of alaong channel 50, the Telemundo low power station? When are they going digital (I think they will be at RF11).

Great to see some OTA posts coming in on this board, keep posting! We call all learn from other's posts.

ritvman
09-09-09, 05:41 PM
WNAC will be adding MyRITV on 9/28/09. Over the next week or two we will have bars and some test programs on. We are offering an HD feed to the local CATV systems if they want to carry it.

Blackduck
09-10-09, 04:41 PM
Is anyone in the South County area able to get any signal at all from WSBE 36, I'm in Westerly, and receive all the Providence stations with little or no problems, but get 0 signal from this station?

DM2006RI
09-11-09, 11:14 AM
Here's the new Cox topic for Providence: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1175637

Thank you Ken :)

DM2006RI
09-11-09, 11:16 AM
Is anyone in the South County area able to get any signal at all from WSBE 36, I'm in Westerly, and receive all the Providence stations with little or no problems, but get 0 signal from this station?

I'm in Wakefield and 36 is really hit or miss. Some days it's fine with readings in the 80s but the signal fluctuates down here quite a bit -- at times with a good amount of break-up and the signal in the 60s. I don't have any trees around me so I'm guessing it probably has something to do with the strength of their signal (or lack thereof).

alg2468
09-11-09, 04:31 PM
I'm in Wakefield and 36 is really hit or miss. Some days it's fine with readings in the 80s but the signal fluctuates down here quite a bit -- at times with a good amount of break-up and the signal in the 60s. I don't have any trees around me so I'm guessing it probably has something to do with the strength of their signal (or lack thereof).
I think that the lack of signal strength is causing the weak signal. WSBE-DT is on WJAR's tower in Rehoboth, but is below WJAR and WLNE on the tower. In addition, it is only at 50kw, much lower in power than the other Providence stations, and at RF21, it is wedged between RF20 (WCVB Boston) and RF22 (WLWC New Bedford).

JamesCT
09-12-09, 12:54 AM
And then, to really mess with your minds, here in NE CT, I get WSBE in consistent mid-to-high 70s. Through foliage ~20 ft away from the antenna. Other Providence stations are ~80-85.

There was a while there, tho, post-transition, where I couldn't get it at all.

Will have to re-scan/add for 64-2 and see what's up.

bg02445
09-12-09, 01:04 PM
Does anyone here have any idea of a timeframe for when WPRI or WJAR (or even WLNE) will go HD with their newscasts? We're one of the largest markets still without HD News.

Also, WPRI has been airing HD promos...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCJ0pikDZag
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J79NBSWdQGU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoXJOcQDNEk

A preview of the "Live Pinpoint Doppler 12" graphics in HD, as seen in one of the promos:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3430/3913050644_881ce2304c_b.jpg

DM2006RI
09-13-09, 10:14 AM
Didn't 12 tell us they were the going to be the first to do HD news in this market? Certainly the production of their newscast appears to be the closest to HD around.

mppy129
09-20-09, 09:27 PM
Well WNAC and WPRI are now showing their local line-up in HD. I'm waiting tonight to see if they are going HD. What bugs me is that their graphics aren't changed its just widescreen and in HD quality so I don't know what is taking so long.

bg02445
09-20-09, 09:40 PM
I think the graphics are fine. They were made fairly recently by RenderOn, so they were probably made for HD.

bg02445
09-20-09, 10:00 PM
Nope..not yet.

DM2006RI
09-23-09, 09:26 AM
Noticed my OTA DVR has lost all program guide information for Channels 12 and 64...everything else is there, but not those two channels. Weird -- wonder if it has something to do with 64-2 going live next week.

bg02445
09-24-09, 07:46 PM
WNAC DT2 went from color bars to a test pattern today. But now they are back at just a gray screen with occasional audio tests. 0UGr-IRct0I

steve125
09-26-09, 09:23 PM
Noticed my OTA DVR has lost all program guide information for Channels 12 and 64...everything else is there, but not those two channels. Weird -- wonder if it has something to do with 64-2 going live next week.

If it builds the guide with PSIP data it could be a time error at the station. Would make since if they recently reconfigured their gear. Just a guess. If this is the case give them a call because the FCC does regulate time errors.

W1KNE
09-26-09, 10:51 PM
RE: Electronic Program Guide

There was a unrelated issue to the new channel going on or a time error with the PSIP server. I told our IT technician who is in the building how to resolve it. It is all set now and the guide is going back out over the air.

bg02445
09-26-09, 11:25 PM
MyRITV looks like its going to be good, with a good lineup. I see you will be launching it at 5 AM Monday. Do you plan to announce it on your newscast?

ricomputerguy
09-27-09, 11:46 AM
RE: Electronic Program Guide

There was a unrelated issue to the new channel going on or a time error with the PSIP server. I told our IT technician who is in the building how to resolve it. It is all set now and the guide is going back out over the air.

IS COX going to carry MYRITV or is cox going the usual rout and not going to carry it for 3 monthes like RTN

bg02445
09-28-09, 12:22 PM
Well, MyRITV has launched on WNAC DT2.

GaFRE5mpEks

This video shows the logo as seen in a lineup.

DM2006RI
09-29-09, 11:56 AM
RE: Electronic Program Guide

There was a unrelated issue to the new channel going on or a time error with the PSIP server. I told our IT technician who is in the building how to resolve it. It is all set now and the guide is going back out over the air.

Yep I see it has come back along with MyRITV. Very nice!

Does WPRI have any plans for their digital subchannels?

bg02445
10-01-09, 05:42 AM
In Broadcasting & Cable...
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/356120-WNAC_Shifts_MyNet_to_Digital_Channel.php

alg2468
10-07-09, 03:57 PM
How is the reception of the Boston and Hartford area channels in Western Rhode Island, specifically areas to the West of Warwick, Kingston, Narragansett, and Westerly, and what channels are the strongest and weakest?

linter
10-08-09, 12:56 PM
I want to get rid of Cox TV altogether and make do with whatever stations I can get on my own. So, how best and how inexpensively can I achieve that, living where I do, in the heart (such as it is) of Wakefield, RI?

My girlfriend really doesn't want an antenna on the house. But what about in the attic? The house is 1.5 stories. Is there an antenna set up that would most likely work?

The local RS has an Antennacraft HBU33 for $80; but I'd gladly order elsewhere.

Could I get a few suggestions?

Thanks!

Javelin
10-08-09, 01:06 PM
How is the reception of the Boston and Hartford area channels in Western Rhode Island, specifically areas to the West of Warwick, Kingston, Narragansett, and Westerly, and what channels are the strongest and weakest?

Where i am in Westerly i can't pull any Boston or Hartford stations in!

Dave Loudin
10-08-09, 02:09 PM
I want to get rid of Cox TV altogether and make do with whatever stations I can get on my own. So, how best and how inexpensively can I achieve that, living where I do, in the heart (such as it is) of Wakefield, RI?

My girlfriend really doesn't want an antenna on the house. But what about in the attic? The house is 1.5 stories. Is there an antenna set up that would most likely work?

The local RS has an Antennacraft HBU33 for $80; but I'd gladly order elsewhere.

Could I get a few suggestions?

Thanks!

There is a website that has proved useful to people in your situation: tvfool.com. Quick step-by-step guide - use the Start Maps option. Type in your address, then get the page with a google map and some results. Zoom in on the google map to be sure the pointer is over your house - drag it to the right place as required. Enter an estimate for antenna height, then click on the page. After the data refreshes, click the "make radar plot" button to get a new page. You will see a plot showing you what directions signals come from and a table listing the stations from strongest to weakest.

In that table is a column labelled NM, for noise margin. With an antenna like the one you mentioned plus a pre-amp, you should be able to get stations with an NM as low as 13 or 15. I have a larger antenna with a 20dB preamp and get stations down to 10.

Look at stores such as solidsignal.com for ideas/prices.

linter
10-08-09, 03:36 PM
thanks, dave, i really appreciate that advice. looks like i can get the networks plus pbs, 17.8 - 48.8 NM, which is all I really want or need.

okay so now what? how do I look for an antenna to match those specs?

thanks again!

Dave Loudin
10-08-09, 08:22 PM
The antennacraft you were looking at would suffice.

alg2468
10-08-09, 11:22 PM
You could also look at Antennas Direct and Terrestrial Digital brand of antennas, like the DB4 and DB8, and also the Channel Master and Winegard antennas.

DM2006RI
10-09-09, 11:45 AM
How is the reception of the Boston and Hartford area channels in Western Rhode Island, specifically areas to the West of Warwick, Kingston, Narragansett, and Westerly, and what channels are the strongest and weakest?

I'm in Wakefield area, on the water, and 2,4, and 5 are very strong. 90% of the time they come in with no break up. 7 comes in and out depending on the weather. 38 is weaker but comes in occasionally, mostly at night. 44 and 56 are really dependent on conditions and mostly do not come in.

When you're on the fringe down here of Boston signals it's really dependant on conditions. As I posted several nights this past summer I received Channel 8 -- out of Portland Maine -- crystal clear late at night. Once in a while that signal pops in as well. So while my location is excellent (I have no trees or anything blocking me), it really does show that atmospheric and weather conditions dictate what you're going to get and when.

The Hartford channels -- absolutely nada. As my antenna is permanently anchored towards the north and east I wouldn't expect to get any of them, but I have not seen many Rhode Islanders talk about their reception either. Too many obstacles and such in the way. The Boston signals you'll have a much better chance on, though when you move this far south of them, it's not always 100%, no matter where you are or what you have for gear (I am running a CM4228 and preamp, roof mounted).

linter
10-09-09, 12:50 PM
do you think your set up of a CM4228 and the CM Titan would work in an attic application? i've got a smallish window that faces N (pretty much) that i could put the antenna against. what do you think? i'm in wakefield as well, over by the hospital ...

also: is there a cheaper 4 bay model that might work as well? and ... any place to get these things in the general area?

tia!

btw/ i have a line on a used DB4. please tell me it'd work okay .... but only if it will!

alg2468
10-09-09, 08:20 PM
do you think your set up of a CM4228 and the CM Titan would work in an attic application? i've got a smallish window that faces N (pretty much) that i could put the antenna against. what do you think? i'm in wakefield as well, over by the hospital ...

also: is there a cheaper 4 bay model that might work as well? and ... any place to get these things in the general area?

tia!

btw/ i have a line on a used DB4. please tell me it'd work okay .... but only if it will!
I have both a DB4 and Old Channel Master 4221. Both antennas work well on UHF digital channels, though the 4221 does have a slight edge on VHF.

DM2006RI
10-10-09, 02:22 PM
linter -- as the other poster mentioned you can give that combo a shot. Location is big, especially if it is facing north. I bought an extra Antennasdirect antenna for my folks and just tried it out for fun here, and found it basically got all the same channels -- even unamplified! -- when I put it in the window facing north.

I ordered all of my gear from solidsignal.com, as there's not much around here...I'm down on salt pond, my wife works at the hospital. :)

Let us know how you fare with it!

steve125
10-20-09, 04:43 PM
For all those making the switch from cable to free OTA that want a Program Guide, HD DVR, and online video (youtube,google,hulu,pod casts) check out the below software. It makes adjusting a little easier. I've been using it for about a year now and can't think of a single complaint. It ranks high on the wife approval factor too.

http://www.sagetv.com/

W1KNE
10-31-09, 09:06 PM
Just MAKE SURE whatever antenna you get for reception here in Rhode Island has VHF High Band capabilities to it.

WPRI-DT and WNAC-DT are both VHF.

--Mike

alg2468
11-03-09, 04:05 PM
Just MAKE SURE whatever antenna you get for reception here in Rhode Island has VHF High Band capabilities to it.

WPRI-DT and WNAC-DT are both VHF.

--Mike
WWDP-DT in Norwell, WHDH-DT in Boston, and WTNH-DT are also all on Hi-VHF and are available to some viewers in Rhode Island.

Trip in VA
11-03-09, 04:12 PM
WHDH will be shutting off 7 at some point. And I doubt anyone's clamoring to get WWDP.

- Trip

bg02445
11-09-09, 08:54 PM
WHDH digital 7 is now looping an announcement to rescan for it on 42.

W1KNE
11-10-09, 06:21 PM
WWDP-DT in Norwell, WHDH-DT in Boston, and WTNH-DT are also all on Hi-VHF and are available to some viewers in Rhode Island.

Also WEDN-DT.

comp4pod
11-17-09, 01:29 PM
Anyone having trouble getting Boston WHDH 7 OTA? Have been able to get it in Providence for years on my directv HR20-700's. Now I don't get a signal with my attic mounted CM4228. All other Boston stations come in strong.

Trip in VA
11-17-09, 01:33 PM
They recently shut off the channel 7 signal and are now only on channel 42. If your receiver has not been rescanned or if it's one of those receivers that does not scan, it may not yet have been updated to reflect this change.

- Trip