I decided to put my Comcast Limited Basic cable to the test and see if I could find any QAM channels in the clear. It turned out to be quite interesting.

I didn't physically check channels that were flagged as "encrypted" or "no data" as they were dozens of them so it's possible (but not very likely) that I missed something.

Of particular instrest was that I found NBC (33.1) in HD on QAM channel 73 but couldn't find CBS or ABC in HD anywhere (searched several times). I did find standard 480 versions on QAM channel 80.

Summary:

QAM channel 73 = WFWA (39) and WISE (33)
QAM channel 76 = C-SPAN and QVC
QAM channel 77 = WGN
QAM channel 78 = ABC-Family and Comcast sports programming
QAM channel 80 = 480p versions of CBS, FOX, ABC, PBS, and NBC plus a religious channel
QAM channel 83 = 3ABN religious channel
QAM channel 84 = Dead Air ???
QAM channel 87 = On Demand / PPV / Preview
QAM channel 88 = On Demand / PPV / Preview
QAM channel 89 = On Demand / PPV / Preview
QAM channel 90 = On Demand / PPV / Preview
QAM channel 110 = On Demand Previews


Details: (* indicates no channel info is broadcast)

73.1 = WFWA-D2 (PBS 39 children's programing - broadcast 39.2)
73.2 = WFWA-D1 (PBS 39 main channel - broadcast 39.1)
73.3 = WISE-HD (33 main HD channel)
73.4 = Indiana's News Center weather (broadcast 33.3) *
73.5 = My-TV (broadcast 33.2) *
73.6 = WFWA-D3 (PBS 39 Create - broadcast 39.3)
73.7 = WFWA-D4 (PBS 39 Education - broadcast 39.4)

76.1 = C-SPAN *
76.10 = QVC *

77.10 = WGN *

78.3 = ABC Family *
78.11 = Some Comcast channel (was airing a college football game) *

80.2 = CW *
80.4 = Religious Programming *
80.5 = CBS (Not HD) *
80.6 = FOX (Not HD) *
80.7 = ABC (Not HD) *
80.8 = PBS (NOT HD) *
80.9 = NBC (NOT HD) *

83.1 = 3ABN Religious Channel *

84.1 = not detected as "encrypted" or "no data" but no picture (dead air?) *

87.3 - 87.10 = not detected as encrypted or no data - some had content some didn't - suspect On-Demand / PPV *

88.1, 88.3 - 88.10 = not detected as encrypted or no data - some had content some didn't - suspect On-Demand / PPV *

89.2 - 89.10 = not detected as encrypted or no data - some had content some didn't - suspect On-Demand / PPV *

90.4 - 90.10 = not detected as encrypted or no data - some had content some didn't - suspect On-Demand / PPV *

110.8 = On Demand Previews *

Yes, channels 75-80(.1-.12) are digital simulcast. The entire line-up in digital format.

87-90 (.1-.12) are On demand channels and you can pick up content as long as they are ordered by someone on your "card" with a STB.

These are all "True QAM" as Verizon would put it. (256 QAM)

Hi, could use some advice! I am looking at buying an HDTV in Huntington. I do not have a dish, nor desire one, and am stuck with Comcast. If I purchase an indoor antenna, what can I expect to pick up over the air? What antenna would you recommend to pick up HD signals in Huntington?

Many thanks!

I do not have a dish, nor desire one

What's wrong with a dish?

Actually, I think I am changing my tune on that. The last time I had a dish, it was on a metal post in my yard and if they can put it up on the roof, I think I'll do it.

Hi, could use some advice! I am looking at buying an HDTV in Huntington. I do not have a dish, nor desire one, and am stuck with Comcast. If I purchase an indoor antenna, what can I expect to pick up over the air? What antenna would you recommend to pick up HD signals in Huntington?

Many thanks!
Hello. We install roof antenna's here in Huntington all of the time. Your reception will depend on what part of Huntington you are in. The higher the better. We send our customers to Walmart for TV's as they have the biggest selection by far here in town.
Steve

Anyone else still seeing bad picture breakup on 33-1 off the air tonight? Pretty bad tonight. I thought that this issue had been corrected?

Steve

I only saw one breakup during Heroes, although I did fast forward the commercials, so I may have missed any that didn't fall during the show.

Thanks for the advice! I am looking at the Vizio VW37L at Wal-Mart but have been reading related threads in the AVS forum saying the VX37L is better, although not available at Wal-Mart and slightly higher in price.

Thoughts?

Anyone else still seeing bad picture breakup on 33-1 off the air tonight? Pretty bad tonight. I thought that this issue had been corrected?

Steve

Their signal does seem to be much improved but it's certainly not "fixed" by any means. It seems to come and go now. Last night Heroes was near perfect but a few nights ago The Incredibles was nearly unwatchable.

I see similar results on 33-2. Some nights Frasier records fine, some nights it's so bad I don't bother...

Martian21

Their signal does seem to be much improved but it's certainly not "fixed" by any means. It seems to come and go now. Last night Heroes was near perfect but a few nights ago The Incredibles was nearly unwatchable.

I see similar results on 33-2. Some nights Frasier records fine, some nights it's so bad I don't bother...

Martian21

Incredibles seemed to be off the air for me, got absolutely zilch. Sunday night game had a few nasty breakups. Now 21 is giving me the occasional fits.

the only thing giving me fits on 21 right now is the fact that the local volume level is set SOOO much higher than the network volume level. annoying...

Incredibles seemed to be off the air for me, got absolutely zilch. Sunday night game had a few nasty breakups. Now 21 is giving me the occasional fits.

21 is VERY jerky for me via comcast. I've noticed it a lot lately, especially during football games over the last week. It seems to jump, maybe dropping frames. Only channel thats doing it.

the only thing giving me fits on 21 right now is the fact that the local volume level is set SOOO much higher than the network volume level. annoying...

This is really annoying. Its a shame too. When the picture is ok, its the best imho for network sports.

I woke up this morning turned on my FiOS and my guide was updated to 1.04 Some quick things I noticed the guide said Verizon Fios Guide and had the TV Guide logo at the bottom. Alsdo the On Demand has a bigger preview window and seems to move quicker. On the side of the blade menu it says Live TV 1 On Demand 2. I will post more later today about it.

I woke up this morning turned on my FiOS and my guide was updated to 1.04 Some quick things I noticed the guide said Verizon Fios Guide and had the TV Guide logo at the bottom. Alsdo the On Demand has a bigger preview window and seems to move quicker. On the side of the blade menu it says Live TV 1 On Demand 2. I will post more later today about it.


I told you guys an update was coming!

From the FIOS thread:

A maintenance update to the IMG software, Release 1.0.4, was released this morning in FL, Western PA, and IN. On the Fios forum at dslreports.com in the Fios 2.0 Maintenance Update thread, there is a rather long list of issues addressed. The reports are that is if the update looks stable, it will be rolled out over the next several weeks to the other IMG states. The early word however is that some of the DVRs are locking up, but these are second or third hand reports, not so far from anyone who got the new release 1.0.4. Presumably sometime after that Eastern PA, NJ, and NY will finally get the IMG (for better or for worse).

http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r19523400-FIOS-20-Maintenance-Patch-Released

Verizon FiOS TV is proud to announce expansion of High Definition (HD) Video On Demand (VOD)!

This exciting combination brings together the two worlds of HD and VOD. Beginning December 4, 2007, HD VOD will be available in:

· Ft Wayne IN
There is no additional cost for having HD VOD. Any customer who has an HD Set Top Box (QIP 6200 or higher) and HD TV will be able to experience the superior quality of both picture and sound.

This is all available by using the “ON DEMAND” or “VOD” button on the remote control. For those customers who do not have these buttons, they can use the “MENU” button and select the On Demand option on the screen or tune into channel 900 to access the full On Demand Library. They would then locate the HD content within the VOD library by viewing the “HD” folder.

The HD VOD library will contain a mix of free and transactional movies as well as general content but will NOT apply to subscription content at this time.

Should a customer have a HD STB but NOT a HD TV, they will be able to access the HD VOD Library but will NOT have the ability to view the content in high definition.

While there is no charge for HD VOD itself, there is a charge of $ 5.99 for transactional movies. These movies can be ordered but certainly not enjoyed to the full extent without a High Definition TV.

Add me to the list with WPTA problems. I was checking signal strengths on Sunday night and it was a rock solid 95. Monday night there were glitches at the beginning of Samantha Who so I changed the channel because I couldn't stand it. Now tonight the same thing. Looking at signal strengths now it's between 80 and 85 with the occasional dropout. My antenna's in the attic and hasn't moved. What gives??

Add me to the list with WPTA problems. I was checking signal strengths on Sunday night and it was a rock solid 95. Monday night there were glitches at the beginning of Samantha Who so I changed the channel because I couldn't stand it. Now tonight the same thing. Looking at signal strengths now it's between 80 and 85 with the occasional dropout. My antenna's in the attic and hasn't moved. What gives??
Weather! I started having the same problem with WANE a couple of weeks ago and had to go into the attic and move my antenna slightly. I now only have the signal dropping once and a great while.

Stupid weather. Make it stop! :)

In all seriousness though, the weather has blown through and I'm still having problems. It'll go from 70ish to 0 and stay at 0 for 10 to 20 seconds at a time. I can't believe this station would go from being my strongest to my weakest without me moving my antenna unless there were other circumstances (besides weather) at play.

There's nothing funny going on at the tower? Is anybody else having as much trouble as me?

Another question, who is all broadcasting at full power right now? With digital becoming mandatory are the off-air types going to have to deal with this type of signal when analog goes away? At least presently you still get a picture, albeit with fuzz and ghosts.

I've noticed just the opposite with WPTA the past couple days. Granted I only live 4 miles NE of the tower but two of my TV's use small indoor antennas and the signal meter is pegged at 100% and doesn't move. I usually receive WPTA at around 90% with fluctuations.

WANE - 90%
WISE - 86%
WFWA - 80-90%

I'm also about 4 miles from the towers. I went up and nudged the antenna a couple of degrees, not much at all, and now 21 is a solid 80-85. 33 is down to a solid 90, 15 is still a solid 70, 39 is still a fairly solid 80, and 55 is still a pretty solid 65.

This is my antenna, http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/cm4221.html, how could 21 be that sensitive on it all of a sudden?

In all seriousness though, the weather has blown through and I'm still having problems. It'll go from 70ish to 0 and stay at 0 for 10 to 20 seconds at a time. I can't believe this station would go from being my strongest to my weakest without me moving my antenna unless there were other circumstances (besides weather) at play.

There's nothing funny going on at the tower? Is anybody else having as much trouble as me?

Another question, who is all broadcasting at full power right now? With digital becoming mandatory are the off-air types going to have to deal with this type of signal when analog goes away? At least presently you still get a picture, albeit with fuzz and ghosts.
I am not talking about the storm that has moved through. I have had this problem in the fall/winter for the last couple of years. I have always had to "tweak" my antenna, and then tweak it again in the spring. The movement of the antenna is only about an inch.
Anyway, nothing has changed on the WPTA end. Same power, same antenna.
Currently WPTA and WISE are up to their full FCC allotted power. I believe WFWA is also at full power. I think WANE is still due to go even higher power then they are now, and of course WFFT is still at (very) low power.

Currently WPTA and WISE are up to their full FCC allotted power. I believe WFWA is also at full power. I think WANE is still due to go even higher power then they are now, and of course WFFT is still at (very) low power.

My question is will the power go higher after 2009 when you stop transmitting analog?

diehard

My question is will the power go higher after 2009 when you stop transmitting analog?

diehard
No, WPTA and WISE will be the same as they are now.

My question is will the power go higher after 2009 when you stop transmitting analog?

diehard


However, there are distant analog stations on 19 and 24. They may be providing enough interference to mess with the digitals out of fort wayne. after the shutoff, the spectrum should be much less congested.

I'm getting picture freezes on WISE tonight reminiscent of the freezes we saw a couple months ago. Anyone else seeing this as well?

I'm getting picture freezes on WISE tonight reminiscent of the freezes we saw a couple months ago. Anyone else seeing this as well?

Yep. Heard from another person in Huntington as well. First one right at the start of the game, thought it was gonna be ENGjas' worst nightmare.

I'm getting picture freezes on WISE tonight reminiscent of the freezes we saw a couple months ago. Anyone else seeing this as well?

Yep, same here via Comcast.

No, WPTA and WISE will be the same as they are now.

Well, that was why asked the question becasue WISE allways freezes durring the Dr. Phil show and I have a good signal. Kinda frustrating to have to go to analog just to watch the show and then back and it does again.

diehard

WISE still has problems for me as well. It had been much better but still far from perfect. They have seemed to be worse over the last few days though.

Martian21

I've noticed times when WISE will just disappear/black screen for 20-30 seconds at a time. It will be perfect picture, then bam. Usually right at the worst times too.

I've noticed times when WISE will just disappear/black screen for 20-30 seconds at a time. It will be perfect picture, then bam. Usually right at the worst times too.
We are still waiting for approval to order different equipment. The current equipment refuses to be reliable. We have tried three different models and still no luck with the current manufacture. Until then we are stuck with the current situation.

We are still waiting for approval to order different equipment. The current equipment refuses to be reliable. We have tried three different models and still no luck with the current manufacture. Until then we are stuck with the current situation.

ENGjas, thanks for your reply. I thought this was the problem months ago? Is this the same one? If so, that bites.

At least I know why, that helps.

diehard

Thanks for the info. Hey, at least they're better than FOX!!!! :)

ENGjas, thanks for your reply. I thought this was the problem months ago? Is this the same one? If so, that bites.

At least I know why, that helps.

diehard
This is still the same problem, the new gear did not last long.

Thanks for the info. Hey, at least they're better than FOX!!!! :)

No kidding..... with January fast approaching, has there been any additional word on the progress of Fox HD?

No kidding..... with January fast approaching, has there been any additional word on the progress of Fox HD?

I really hope no one is holding their breath. :)

I have a feeling there will be pitchforks and torches when all the people that just got shiny new hdtvs sit down to watch the superbowl and get a very rude awakening.

No kidding..... with January fast approaching, has there been any additional word on the progress of Fox HD?
WFFT has a post I've not seen before on their progress on converting to HD. Check out WFFT's main home page. Basically, they again say that it should be up and running by the Super Bowl.

Also, the night of Dec. 13, did anyone notice that 55.1 was suddenly broadcasting a blank, and the content had moved to 50.3? 55.1 still had a good signal, but it was just black. Also, there was no 50 analog, no 50.1, no 50.2, and not 50.4, etc. (zero signal strength). It was just 50.3. Is WFFT running tests on some new HD equipment on a borrowed channel? I did notice that during one show, the black bar on the right side of the screen had a blue "FOX" logo in the bottom right that was somewhat cut off. Unfortunately, since they aren't showing any HD shows until Sunday, I'll have to wait to see if that's what they're doing. (Suddenly, this Packer fan is very, very excited.)

Co-Worker just noticed the same thing about WFFT:

http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineupui?Cmd=LocationProgramsWeb&Country=US&Postcode=46845

It appears to be something on 36-3? Any word on this?

FYI: WFFT is now broadcasting 720P HD, currently they are on 36-1. Looks like they still need to reconfigure PSIP to talk to the new encoder to setup the mapping. They are due to go full power in June of 08.

Interesting news about WFFT. I'm trying to check it out right now, but I'm getting an error: "Searching for signal on the off-air tuner", but going to the signal meter shows a solid 70. I'm using the HR20 from DirecTV.

Interesting news about WFFT. I'm trying to check it out right now, but I'm getting an error: "Searching for signal on the off-air tuner", but going to the signal meter shows a solid 70. I'm using the HR20 from DirecTV.
Do a channel rescan if you have not already. Once the PSIP is working again, you may need to rescan again.

Do a channel rescan if you have not already. Once the PSIP is working again, you may need to rescan again.

From our Rockford, IL, FOX experience and the engineers description of it...their engineers, who are very good, had to tweak it for about a week to get everything to work properly. Once the equipment is physically in place, getting the splicer to put the logo in the right place (that's not easy, believe it or not!), deciding to stretch or not to stretch (it stretches 4:3 to 16:9 by default in the initial setup, that took several days to correct), getting the PSIP right (Pain Somewhere In Posterior to set up---ugh, ugh, ugh)...along with other issues and these guys are learning it from scratch. Whatever may be said about WFFT's parent company, I would very strongly suggest everyone cut their engineers lots of slack through the days at and before Christmas. It's anything but "plug 'n play", unfortunately. But look at it this way: you guys are gonna have some awesome looking 720p, with the very latest generation of splicer. To make you drool, I have consistently seen where the Rockford FOX station looks a tad better than the Chicago O&O. And man, does it look good. It might even change your mind about 720p vs. 1080i. Oh wait, religion talk is banned from this board, ain't it? :D

Watching WFFT right now on 36.3 looks pretty good 720p it's about time::D

I am watching the NFL on FOX 55 here in Fort Wayne!!!!!

It's a Christmas miracle!!!!

Thanks 55

Hopefully they soon can get it on Comcast and FIOS, so people without tuners can watch.

OK, I tried PMing someone on this earlier...haven't heard anything yet....so....

Does anyone know an antenna installer in the area of Huntington? I need my antenna repointed towards Fort Wayne (it's pointed to South Bend right now). I already have an 8-bay Channel Master which used to pick up Fox 55 all the way out here in no-where land. Now that they are sending 720p, I'd like to enjoy it. Anyone? I'm willing to pay obviously!!!!!

Hey, Mike here in Leo, Ind.Question, is 55.1 still brodcasting? I can't pick up signal on local TV or Direct TV. I can get to the new Fox HDTV digital channel 36.3 on regular TV and it looks great! I cannot download that channel to my HR20 Direct TV receiver for some reason. Does anyone know if the new HDTV on Fox will eventually be available on 55.1 or will it always be on 36.3? Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks

Watching WFFT right now on 36.3 looks pretty good 720p it's about time::D


Yippe !! :) Anyone hear anything about when Comcast or Verizon will be on line ??

MMike, I'm having the same problem. I'm getting FOX on 36.3 on my TV but can't get anything on my HR20 from DirecTV. 55-1 gives me an error that it's searching for signal even though I'm getting 65-70% and 55-3 says it's unavailable.

I don't know what the answer is, but just wanted you to know that you aren't alone.

Hey thanks for the info HDEye, I'll call Fox 55 tomorrow and find out whats up with 55.1 signal and also verify that they will be carrying the HD signal when there up and running. In the meantime lets enjoy the great Fox 55 HD on TV channel 36.3. MMike

Is 36.3 broadcasting all the time or only during specific shows with HD (sports, primetime tv, ....)..... I tried to pick it up with my indoor RCA antenna from Best Buy and was able to pick up every OTA HD channel in the area as well as non-HD locals including 55, but did not pick up 36.3. I am trying from in Fort Wayne (near IPFW)...... are they broadcasting in really low power or just weren't broadcasting when I was trying to pick the channel up (about 10:30 pm yesterday)

Updated info from the WFFT Website. Nothing too surprising, although I guess I need to contact Verizon to find out when they will go online

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WFFT FAQ


Q: When will WFFT FOX55 start broadcasting in High Definition?

A: We are excited to announce that the company that owns WFFT (Nexstar) has completed the first on-air phase of our conversion to High Definition, and we are now broadcasting in HD on digital channel 36.


Q: Can I receive your HD signal via Comcast or Verizon FiOS?

A: Yes. But since we just went on air with our HD signal, they may not be passing our HD signal on to their customers yet. We suggest you call them to get a timeline from them.


Q: When will WFFT FOX55 broadcast HD in Full Power?

A: Based on the information we have right now, the conversion to full power HD will happen around the Summer of 2008.

I live out near Huntertown and I get nothing on any of those channels. Using a $10 indoor antenna to pull it in. Able to pull in channel 15 at 96 strong, channel 21 at 99, channel 33 at 86-88 and NOTHING from 36.3/36.1. Channel 55.1 was at or around 45. Can't wait until Verizon adds it to their line-up.

Called and talked to a rep from Verizon who said he lived here in town. He had no idea 55 was even giving an HD feed. He thought it would be a little bit of time before it was ready to go....didn't give an exact time frame.

On another note...he did mention that at the end of January there would be more HD channels added. Didn't get any details or the number that would be added. When I asked about BTN...he said he's heard end of March/beginning of April. He said not too put too much weight on it, but did say that Verizon WILL get the BTN at some point in 08.

No matter what antenna that you use in Hunnington, you will not be able to pick up WFFT digital until sometime mid to late summmer in 2008.

Hate to burst your bubble but I used to (easily) receive WFFT's signal on 36 pretty regularly. Nice thing about living on top of a hill with an 8bay with an amplifier and it feeding only one TV. :)

Do a channel rescan if you have not already. Once the PSIP is working again, you may need to rescan again.Still no luck on my HR20 after multiple channel rescans. It comes in without having to do any rescan on my TV's built-in tuner. It also comes in without a rescan on my old HR10. Would this still be a PSIP issue or is this maybe an issue on my end (or I should say DirecTV's end since it's their hardware)?

HDEye, MMike here, I have an HR20 and I was able to download the channel with a few glitches. It will still show up as 55-1 on the guide even thow its really 36.3. This may be a PSIP problem, I am not sure. Also, I sometimes get the "Searching for Signal" thing, even thow the channel is comming in crystal clear. by flipping channels I can get it to clear the "Searching for Signal" indicator usually. I think this might be a PSIP problem as well. To do it go to Settings, Sat&Antenna, Antenna Setup,Edit-Off Air Channels,and click Remove All. Click Done, click Done again, then go back to Sat & Ant which will be highlighted in yellow, curse down to Reset and click Reset, then click Reset Everything and just follow the whole process of reprogramming everything on the receiver. I tried everything and this was the only process that worked for me. Hope this helps! MMike

MMike, that worked. Thanks for the tip!

Looks like they still need to tweak the positioning of the FOX logo.... And hopefully make it a light translucent grey (or preferably get rid of it all together).

Just curious for you guys with the HR20, are you running national or CE release?

Wish I would have read this thread last night I could have messed around with mine. Why they don't have a OTA scan feature eludes me.

As for the procedure described, are you doing a full system reset or just the antenna setup where it asks for the zip code?

I'm not sure what you're asking in your first question.... The reset was just resetting the OTA antenna settings. And just repeating "initial setup" under the antenna menu doesn't work. Removing all OTA channels, resetting OTA, and then doing initial setup for OTA does the trick.

I still can't believe I'm watching FOX in HD on my own TV. Somebody pinch me! And it's in 5.1 surround to boot. When are 21 and 33 going to go to 5.1? As far as I know 15 was the only one broadcasting 5.1 surround.

HDEye, MMike here, I have an HR20 and I was able to download the channel with a few glitches. It will still show up as 55-1 on the guide even thow its really 36.3. This may be a PSIP problem, I am not sure. Also, I sometimes get the "Searching for Signal" thing, even thow the channel is comming in crystal clear. by flipping channels I can get it to clear the "Searching for Signal" indicator usually. I think this might be a PSIP problem as well. To do it go to Settings, Sat&Antenna, Antenna Setup,Edit-Off Air Channels,and click Remove All. Click Done, click Done again, then go back to Sat & Ant which will be highlighted in yellow, curse down to Reset and click Reset, then click Reset Everything and just follow the whole process of reprogramming everything on the receiver. I tried everything and this was the only process that worked for me. Hope this helps! MMike

Will this erase any recorded programs? Thanks.

Jim

I'm not sure what you're asking in your first question.... The reset was just resetting the OTA antenna settings. And just repeating "initial setup" under the antenna menu doesn't work. Removing all OTA channels, resetting OTA, and then doing initial setup for OTA does the trick.

I still can't believe I'm watching FOX in HD on my own TV. Somebody pinch me! And it's in 5.1 surround to boot. When are 21 and 33 going to go to 5.1? As far as I know 15 was the only one broadcasting 5.1 surround.

Alright, thanks for info. I guess I need a better antenna, 36-3 comes in ok on using the tuner in the TV but the HR-20 can't lock.

As for the national vs ce I was referring to the DirecTV beta program called Cutting Edge. You can download beta firmware usually on Friday and Saturday nights. http://www.dbstalk.comhas all the information.

Will this erase any recorded programs? Thanks.

Jim

Jim, if you use the procedure referenced it will erase everything. Instead use the following process and everything else will still be there. Just reset the OTA Antenna settings as follows: Go to Settings, Sat. & Antenna, Antenna Set Up, Edit Off Air Antenna, Click and Remove all Channels, (very Important that you do this) Done, Reset OTA Channels, Then do Inital Set up again. This should do the trick and you won't lose anything. Hope this helps, MMike

Alright, thanks for info. I guess I need a better antenna, 36-3 comes in ok on using the tuner in the TV but the HR-20 can't lock.

As for the national vs ce I was referring to the DirecTV beta program called Cutting Edge. You can download beta firmware usually on Friday and Saturday nights. http://www.dbstalk.comhas all the information.

I am not so sure its your HR20 so much as Direct TV may have not updated there recorsds as to WFFT's new digital channel 36 instead of 55. I can get the new channel on Direct TV but I keep getting searching for off air antenna signal message. It may also, be a PSIP problem or mapping problem of some sort that WFFT has to get worked out. If you can get good reception on 36.3then you should be able to download the new channel on your HR20. It should get worked out in the near future. I have called both WFFT and Direct TV and reported the problem.

Jim, if you use the procedure referenced it will erase everything. Instead use the following process and everything else will still be there. Just reset the OTA Antenna settings as follows: Go to Settings, Sat. & Antenna, Antenna Set Up, Edit Off Air Antenna, Click and Remove all Channels, (very Important that you do this) Done, Reset OTA Channels, Then do Inital Set up again. This should do the trick and you won't lose anything. Hope this helps, MMike


MMike: Found that out too late. Lost three recordings. They will be back on again next week, so no big deal. I forgot to do the "Remove all channels", so I redo the procedure.

Jim

Strange, I didn't lose any recordings when using the instructions MMike posted in post #2308. I do still get the "searching for off-air signal" message if I direct tune (actually enter 55-1 on the remote) although this message sits over top of a perfectly good picture. I do not get the "searching for off-air signal" message if I tune to 55-1 by using the channel up/down button.

I'm not sure what you're asking in your first question.... The reset was just resetting the OTA antenna settings. And just repeating "initial setup" under the antenna menu doesn't work. Removing all OTA channels, resetting OTA, and then doing initial setup for OTA does the trick.

I still can't believe I'm watching FOX in HD on my own TV. Somebody pinch me! And it's in 5.1 surround to boot. When are 21 and 33 going to go to 5.1? As far as I know 15 was the only one broadcasting 5.1 surround.

I was wondering what kind of 5.1 surround system you have. Been looking around for my basement area with a 60" TV. Was thinking about new Bose V20 system. MMike

Jim, if you use the procedure referenced it will erase everything. Instead use the following process and everything else will still be there. Just reset the OTA Antenna settings as follows: Go to Settings, Sat. & Antenna, Antenna Set Up, Edit Off Air Antenna, Click and Remove all Channels, (very Important that you do this) Done, Reset OTA Channels, Then do Inital Set up again. This should do the trick and you won't lose anything. Hope this helps, MMike

Tried everything, still unable to get 36.3 on my HR20-700. I get it via 36.21 on my bedroom H20-600. I got 36.3 on my new Pio PRO-150 Plasma tuner. I'm at a loss what to do on the HR20 to pull it in.

Jim

Tried everything, still unable to get 36.3 on my HR20-700. I get it via 36.21 on my bedroom H20-600. I got 36.3 on my new Pio PRO-150 Plasma tuner. I'm at a loss what to do on the HR20 to pull it in.

Jim

Jim, one thing to keep in mind is that do to some issues either with Direct TV or WFFT, the station will download in its 720P broadcasts, even thow the station listing on Direct TV will still indicate 55.1 on the direct TV guide. Also, you may have to try the process several times before it takes, I had too. And lastly, if you done a complete reset, don't forget to go back into your settings after you download and reset your HDTV ratios and resolution. Make sure you check 480i, 489p, 720p and 1080i, also makes sure you set "Native" to "On" in this regard or the format won't automatically change.. If it downloads correctly the resoulution should be 720p on the WFFT broadcasts.

Has anyone been able to get wfft on a regular antenna and if so, where are you located?

Has anyone been able to get wfft on a regular antenna and if so, where are you located?

Are we re-hashing the same ol' thing? Just because WFFT is broadcasting in HD now instead of regular TV, doesn't mean that they are broadcasting any stronger signal. So if you couldn't get it before, then you can't now. At least until summer of 2008. Looks like the Super Bowl will still be hard to get with a low signal.

Good thing I get FOX 28 out of South Bend at a great signal.

Oh, one other thing you all might be forgetting, FOX itself decided along time ago to only broadcast as high as 720p, so you will never see 1080i from a FOX station.

diehard

Has anyone been able to get wfft on a regular antenna and if so, where are you located?

Yes I live in Leo and I get a good signal 65 - 70. Also, its my understanding that Digtal HD signals actually take less power to transmit then the old analog signal, so you may be able to pick up the HD signal now where as before maybe you coulden't. If not you may have to wait until next spring when they go full power. Good luck! MMike

Yes I live in Leo and I get a good signal 65 - 70. Also, its my understanding that Digtal HD signals actually take less power to transmit then the old analog signal, so you may be able to pick up the HD signal now where as before maybe you coulden't. If not you may have to wait until next spring when they go full power. Good luck! MMike

I was wondering the same thing.... I am using a powered indoor RCA antenna I purchased from Best Buy a while ago and live in Canturbury Green.... I pick up every channel available OTA (including 55), but no 36.1 or 55.1.....

I was wondering the same thing.... I am using a powered indoor RCA antenna I purchased from Best Buy a while ago and live in Canturbury Green.... I pick up every channel available OTA (including 55), but no 36.1 or 55.1.....

How about 36.3, have you tried that channel. I pick it up on 36.3. Also, try keying the channel in the remote manually. The channel scan for some reason doesen't pick it up, so you have to enter it manually in the remote the first time. MMike

Thanks for the reply.... I will try entering it manually and see what happens

Jim, one thing to keep in mind is that do to some issues either with Direct TV or WFFT, the station will download in its 720P broadcasts, even thow the station listing on Direct TV will still indicate 55.1 on the direct TV guide. Also, you may have to try the process several times before it takes, I had too. And lastly, if you done a complete reset, don't forget to go back into your settings after you download and reset your HDTV ratios and resolution. Make sure you check 480i, 489p, 720p and 1080i, also makes sure you set "Native" to "On" in this regard or the format won't automatically change.. If it downloads correctly the resoulution should be 720p on the WFFT broadcasts.

Jim, was you ever to get it to download to your HR 20. Just wondering if you ever got it? MMike

Jim, was you ever to get it to download to your HR 20. Just wondering if you ever got it? MMike

MMike: No luck. I guess I'll use my TV tuner to watch unless they finally switch to 55-1. Thanks. I have the NFL Sunday Ticket on DirecTV but want it for the playoffs to watch the Jessica Cowgirls. Ha!

Jim

MMike: No luck. I guess I'll use my TV tuner to watch unless they finally switch to 55-1. Thanks. I have the NFL Sunday Ticket on DirecTV but want it for the playoffs to watch the Jessica Cowgirls. Ha!

Jim

Jim, I can't understand why you can't download. You migh try one more thing. Hit the red botton and reset the receiver. Nothing will be lost. After the recevier is rebooted then go back and do the other procees to add the off air channels. Also, in that process make sure you delete the old local channels before you do the edit for the new. Its got to work. MMike

I was wondering the same thing.... I am using a powered indoor RCA antenna I purchased from Best Buy a while ago and live in Canturbury Green.... I pick up every channel available OTA (including 55), but no 36.1 or 55.1.....

I also live in Canterbury Green, and I get WFFT beautifully (and I even live in an apartment below ground level). There are a couple of tricks, though...

I could never pull in Fox's digital channel with any standard "rabbit ear" style antenna. I bought several antennas and tried them all out, and I found that the amplified, directional antenna works best. Mine is the Terk HDTVa Antenna Pro that I bought at Best Buy for around $70. It's a little on the pricier side for an indoor antenna, but you will not regret you bought it! Even the analog stations look great (no ghosting, etc.)

Also, because my apartment is below-ground, I had to place my antenna about 1 foot from the ceiling to get it to receive the Fox digital broadcast (all other stations work just fine below waist level). Now no stations ever drop out :-) (signal meter measures 96+ on 15.1, 21.1, and 33.1; 87+ for 39.1; and 74+ for 36.1).

I am having a problem with 2 of my 3 ATSC tuners not being able to display Fox's HD signal NOT because of lack of reception (they lock onto the signal just fine), they seem to reject the mpeg stream because the PSIP tables are incorrect on the channel. Anyone heard any rumors when WFFT will fix their PSIP data?

We are still waiting for approval to order different equipment. The current equipment refuses to be reliable. We have tried three different models and still no luck with the current manufacture. Until then we are stuck with the current situation.

I'm assuming you expect a different sense of urgency regarding these types of "approvals" when this is the only signal you have someday?

Does anyone know when FiOS will start sending out Fox in HD?

Does anyone know when FiOS will start sending out Fox in HD?

According to their web site, it should happen in the very near future for both Fios and Comcasts.

I also live in Canterbury Green, and I get WFFT beautifully (and I even live in an apartment below ground level). There are a couple of tricks, though...

I could never pull in Fox's digital channel with any standard "rabbit ear" style antenna. I bought several antennas and tried them all out, and I found that the amplified, directional antenna works best. Mine is the Terk HDTVa Antenna Pro that I bought at Best Buy for around $70. It's a little on the pricier side for an indoor antenna, but you will not regret you bought it! Even the analog stations look great (no ghosting, etc.)

Also, because my apartment is below-ground, I had to place my antenna about 1 foot from the ceiling to get it to receive the Fox digital broadcast (all other stations work just fine below waist level). Now no stations ever drop out :-) (signal meter measures 96+ on 15.1, 21.1, and 33.1; 87+ for 39.1; and 74+ for 36.1).

I am having a problem with 2 of my 3 ATSC tuners not being able to display Fox's HD signal NOT because of lack of reception (they lock onto the signal just fine), they seem to reject the mpeg stream because the PSIP tables are incorrect on the channel. Anyone heard any rumors when WFFT will fix their PSIP data?

I called WFFT and asked them about PSIP and several other small issues and they were aware of the problem. They were hoping to get the fix made in the near future. You may want to send them a "E" mail or make a call and let them know there is still a problem with PSIP thow. Ask for Chris in technical a very nice man willing to listen; he appreciates any positve feedback that is out there.

Any news on FOX HD on FIOS?

Looks like they still need to tweak the positioning of the FOX logo.... And hopefully make it a light translucent grey (or preferably get rid of it all together).
Since I can't receive it, what does the bug look like exactly? Does it say "FOX 55" or "FOX Fort Wayne" like they're planning to change to*? Once they start beaming to the rest of us and the bug is too distracting, I may end up staying with WSJV. Simple, unobtrusive, and easy to crop out if the material is 4:3.

* Dumb idea, it's like they WANT to look like a cheap cable station. 15, 21, 33, and 39 are on OTA, digital OTA, cable, and FiOS too; they don't seem to be rushing to a generic identity.

FORT WAYNE - Out with the old and in with the new. Station officials at WFFT-TV FOX55 announced that the New Year will bring about a name and logo change for the local FOX affiliate.

“FOX Fort Wayne” will be the new name of FOX55. “The move comes as a result of many factors,” said John Parker, Creative Services Director of FOX Fort Wayne. “The main reason we’re changing the name is because our channel position is so varied on so many different broadcast services (cable, satellite, phone) that we decided to simplify our name for our viewers. Comcast has us on channel 12, FiOS has us on channel 5, and our digital channel is 36.”

Although the name of the station is changing, the program lineup remains the same. “Don’t misunderstand,” said Bob Blacher, FOX Fort Wayne’s General Manager. “You can still watch shows like American Idol, Two & a Half Men and Family Guy on the same place you always have. It’s just now we’ll be saying to watch them on FOX Fort Wayne.”

Along with the name change, “FOX Fort Wayne” is unveiling a brand new logo. “We feel the new FOX Fort Wayne logo has a more contemporary look, and we’re really looking forward to begin using it on January 1st,” said Parker.

The name change announcement for WFFT comes a week after the station began to broadcast a High Definition signal on Digital Channel 36. Comcast and Verizon FiOS plan to pass WFFT’s HD signal on to their customers shortly.

Since I can't receive it, what does the bug look like exactly? Does it say "FOX 55" or "FOX Fort Wayne" like they're planning to change to*? Once they start beaming to the rest of us and the bug is too distracting, I may end up staying with WSJV. Simple, unobtrusive, and easy to crop out if the material is 4:3.

* Dumb idea, it's like they WANT to look like a cheap cable station. 15, 21, 33, and 39 are on OTA, digital OTA, cable, and FiOS too; they don't seem to be rushing to a generic identity.As I recall it was just the plain FOX logo. i.e. Just the word "FOX" in blue letters. I'd prefer that whatever bug they use they make it grey translucent like most other networks do. Especially considering the FOX bug they were using was quite a bit larger than the ABC/CBS/NBC logos.

Jim, was you ever to get it to download to your HR 20. Just wondering if you ever got it? MMike

MMike: Well I now get WFFT on my D* HR20-700 on 55.1, both signal and giude data. On my H20-600 I get it on 36.21 but on the Guide it shows up as 55.1. On my PIO PRO-150 plasma, it comes in as 36.3. i'll never figure these things out.

Jim

Does anyone have ANY idea when we MIGHT get Fox 55 (excuse me, Fox Ft Wayne) over Comcast? Or any idea of who we might be able to call at Comcast to inquire about it? Thanks in advance for any information.

Does anyone have ANY idea when we MIGHT get Fox 55 (excuse me, Fox Ft Wayne) over Comcast? Or any idea of who we might be able to call at Comcast to inquire about it? Thanks in advance for any information.

It will be available BEFORE the super bowl, but that's all I know at this time.

It sure would be nice to watch all those BCS games in HD.....oh well...just have to be patient....have learned that when it comes to Fox Ft Wayne!! (now comcast i guess)

I am guessing 805 would be the HD FOX channel for FIOS.. nothing on there yet..

andedan, i assume you don't live in an area where an antenna will work for you? i get it via an antenna and i swear the signal strength is stronger than it used to be, although still the weakest among all the locals. they may have boosted the power a bit or possibly tweaked the direction of the signal. i believe in the past, their digital signal was primarily broadcasting towards the southwest (don't know the reasoning behind that decision but it works out well for me).

andedan, i assume you don't live in an area where an antenna will work for you? i get it via an antenna and i swear the signal strength is stronger than it used to be, although still the weakest among all the locals. they may have boosted the power a bit or possibly tweaked the direction of the signal. i believe in the past, their digital signal was primarily broadcasting towards the southwest (don't know the reasoning behind that decision but it works out well for me).

I actually live Northeast side of Ft Wayne by the intersection of Union Chapel and Tonkel roads. Have never used an antenna before as my only HD TV is a big screen in the basement of my house. Is anyone else having luck on this side of town with an antenna? Also, what channel is the HD broadcast of WFFT available on?

I may be able to get a more definite time as to when it will be available on Comcast tomorrow when I get to work.

It's showing up as 36.3 via my antenna. I don't know if people are having any luck out there on that side of town, hopefully someone can share their experiences.

I live Northeast in Cherry Hill. Fox HD is coming in fine at 36.3 via the antenna in my attic. The signal at my house is also stronger since the switch to HD.

I actually live Northeast side of Ft Wayne by the intersection of Union Chapel and Tonkel roads. Have never used an antenna before as my only HD TV is a big screen in the basement of my house. Is anyone else having luck on this side of town with an antenna? Also, what channel is the HD broadcast of WFFT available on?

Hey MMike here, I live in Leo, and have a simple antenna in the attic and get a great Fox HD picture!

From what I hear, it'll be 5,000 watts to start, and then up to the million sometime in the summer.

Is it currently 5,000 watts, or is it still at the 970? Also, is it still directed southwest, or is it a more even distribution of power?

I actually live Northeast side of Ft Wayne by the intersection of Union Chapel and Tonkel roads. Have never used an antenna before as my only HD TV is a big screen in the basement of my house. Is anyone else having luck on this side of town with an antenna? Also, what channel is the HD broadcast of WFFT available on?

MMike here, was wondering if you have surrond sound for your big screen, if so what do you have and how does it sound in the basement. I would like to put one in my basement at some point.

It looks like "Fox Fort Wayne" may have some PSIP data now. The channel name is now showing up as "36.1 WFFT-HD" where before it was just "no data".

Martian21

I live near the Dupont/Lima Rd. intersection and I get a big fat 0 for 36.3. 55.1 is actually around 40, but still nothing showing up on the screen.

MMike here, was wondering if you have surrond sound for your big screen, if so what do you have and how does it sound in the basement. I would like to put one in my basement at some point.

I do have surround sound in the basement. I have a 60 inch LCD projection Sony (makes me sick to my stomach when i see what they are selling them for now compared to what i paid for it). I have an intergra receiver and dvd player and boston acoustics front and center channel and a boston sub. For my surrounds I have definitive technologies installed in my drop ceiling (easy to get to the wires and the drop ceilings they make these days are nice, not the school look and dampen the sound). The family likes to Hibernate in the winter watching TV and movies down here. And it's nice and cool in the summertime!!

I do have surround sound in the basement. I have a 60 inch LCD projection Sony (makes me sick to my stomach when i see what they are selling them for now compared to what i paid for it). I have an intergra receiver and dvd player and boston acoustics front and center channel and a boston sub. For my surrounds I have definitive technologies installed in my drop ceiling (easy to get to the wires and the drop ceilings they make these days are nice, not the school look and dampen the sound). The family likes to Hibernate in the winter watching TV and movies down here. And it's nice and cool in the summertime!!

Hey thanks for the info, sounds like you got a great system. I have a 60 SXRD so I need to get some surrond sound to go with it. Thanks again and have a good New Year. MMike

MMike: Well I now get WFFT on my D* HR20-700 on 55.1, both signal and giude data. On my H20-600 I get it on 36.21 but on the Guide it shows up as 55.1. On my PIO PRO-150 plasma, it comes in as 36.3. i'll never figure these things out.

Jim

Now have no signal on my D* HR20-700 on 55.1. Getting other signals as mentioned.

Jim

Now have no signal on my D* HR20-700 on 55.1. Getting other signals as mentioned.

Jim

Jim, Fox 55 now has there mapping completed, so you have to go in one more time and set up you locals again. So remember to remiove and than go through your set up process again like you did before. When your done you should not see 55.1 on your guide but you will have the new Fox HD digtal channel 36.1. I just redone my two HR20's a few minutes ago and they both work fine now. Try this, let me know if it works or if you have problems and we will work through it. Happy New Year. MMike

billsoftball...any luck on that Comcast date for FOX in HD?

Thanks for any info...

billsoftball...any luck on that Comcast date for FOX in HD? ......

or for the FIOS date anyone?

Thanks in advance.

billsoftball...any luck on that Comcast date for FOX in HD?

Thanks for any info...

Waiting on equipment to be installed at the station.

With the completion of the PSIP configuration, all 3 of my ATSC tuners are able to tune into the station!

A little tip for anyone using MythTV: you will need to delete your lineup and the old 55_1 Fox channel, then re-create the lineup and do a full ATSC scan. Once you do this, 36_1 WFFTHD should show up as a station. My Myth setup failed to recognize the fact that this was WFFT's HD feed (I think it was looking for 55_1), but if you go to the channel editor and assign the XMLTVID for 36_1 as 33798, all should be good (after a mythfilldatabase).

With the completion of the PSIP configuration, all 3 of my ATSC tuners are able to tune into the station!

A little tip for anyone using MythTV: you will need to delete your lineup and the old 55_1 Fox channel, then re-create the lineup and do a full ATSC scan. Once you do this, 36_1 WFFTHD should show up as a station. My Myth setup failed to recognize the fact that this was WFFT's HD feed (I think it was looking for 55_1), but if you go to the channel editor and assign the XMLTVID for 36_1 as 33798, all should be good (after a mythfilldatabase).

I had the same experience with my MythTV setup. I also picked up a 3rd channel on 21's signal that is a weather radar. Schedules Direct doesn't have data for it yet (like I need it...)

It's nice to finally be able to record FOX in HD! Looks like WISE is now the "low hanging fruit" with their HD transmitter issues. I had a couple full signal drops during the NHL Winter Classic game yesterday.

Martian21

Looks like WISE is now the "low hanging fruit" with their HD transmitter issues. I had a couple full signal drops during the NHL Winter Classic game yesterday.

Martian21

Not so fast. WFFT is still the low hanging fruit, until they broadcast a respectable power level. Only people within the Fort or the southwest signal direction can get WFFT. There are still a large portion of people left out.

nothing...sorry

I live near the Dupont/Lima Rd. intersection and I get a big fat 0 for 36.3. 55.1 is actually around 40, but still nothing showing up on the screen.

You should be able to get the new Fox HD channel 36.1 in your area. They recently got their PSIP mapping straightened out, I recommend you rescan your digital channels and try to see if you can now pick it up, channel 36.1, previously I was picking it up on 36.3 and 55.1, but I rescanned and not get it beautifully on 36.1. If that still doesen't work you may need a attic antenna or indoor HDTV antenna possibly, but I would think you should be able to pick up the signal from Dupont/Lima. I get a great signal around "65" here in Leo with a attic antenna. MMike

Not so fast. WFFT is still the low hanging fruit, until they broadcast a respectable power level. Only people within the Fort or the southwest signal direction can get WFFT. There are still a large portion of people left out.

I prefer quality over quantity. Of course I may be a little bias since I can almost see their tower from my house...

I do feel for the people who live further out. I've become very spoiled living where I do.

Martian21

Receiving H.D. Fox Ft. Wayne with a medium signal level Location is Dupont and Tonkel road area. I tried Channel Master 4 and 8 bay antennas. Winegard and Radio Shack. I have been installing antennas since 1968. I did an installation over the hollidays and the location was ST. Rd. 101 just South of Antwerp Rd. Digital 36-1 is working. Also using a Winegard highband VHF antenna below it for digital 12. The antenna had to be mounted on the far end of the garage to clear trees and multipath. Also the cable wire is rg-11 from the antenna combiner to the span from the garage to inside the basement. The antenna I now use is a european made aerial and it is very impressive indeed.

Had it a day before Christmas on my h20 from DTV. signal topped out at 73%here in SE whitley county. It was on 36.1. Now- nothing! No signal at all. Tried clearing out channels and doing signal scans- but honestly nothing. I'm lost as how I could have it one day at 70% and now there's absolutley nothing. I have an amped antenna and the worst fort wayne station I get is the 39's at 84%- everything else is at or near 100. Please advise!

what kind of antenna are you using? What brand of amplifier is it? Is it a Pre-amp? What is the gain of the amplifier? Are the analog signals overloading ? Are you using good cable rg-6 Commscope. Belden. TFC? Or the low quality such as radio shack, Home depot, Or hardware store brands? Do you have splitters, barrel connectors or bad low quality fittings? How did you aim your antenna ? Did you use a signal strength meter at the antenna or the on screen receiver meter? Are trees a factor or another house or building in the way? Every component in a receiving system must be thought out and cheep quality aerials, wire, fittings and how the cable is attached to the mast and house. Do not use wire ties on co-ax. Their is a reason for this.

I live right next to you andedan. I barely get it, but I did tune it in tonight. I have a large antenna in my attic that I bought from Menards for around 40 bucks. I also have a rotor to point it while not in my attic. There are larger antennas that will fit in an attic and they probably would improve reception, i believe mine said 90 mile radius, but think there was a 120 mile version.

It is about time those %#$#$# at 55 started passing along the HD signal. I bought the rotor to try and tune in South Bend's fox station but didn't get it.

Receiving H.D. Fox Ft. Wayne with a medium signal level Location is Dupont and Tonkel road area...
I'm close to your location, just behind the new Walgreens at Dupont and Tonkel. You're using an outdoor antenna? I'm using a Silver Sensor in my upstairs office pointed thought the wall. Not surprisingly...no Digital Fox.
I was thinking of going Attic mount, but if you say an Outdoor antenna would do the trick I'd appreciate any suggestions!

Thanks

With my amp off and an outdoor antenna I get 15.1 15.2 21.1 21.2 21.3 33.1 33.2 all at 100% The 39's are at 84%. When I put the amp on- they all go down- (undestandably), so I leave it off- it doesnt help the 55 signal anyway. I also had it off the night where 55 was at 73%. So what the heck? Is there soemthing wrong with my h20 unit? 55 is a joke. What a tease if this comes down to their transmitter. Someone please let me know all the spcifics my DTV unit needs to be on.

With my amp off and an outdoor antenna I get 15.1 15.2 21.1 21.2 21.3 33.1 33.2 all at 100% The 39's are at 84%. When I put the amp on- they all go down- (undestandably), so I leave it off- it doesnt help the 55 signal anyway. I also had it off the night where 55 was at 73%. So what the heck? Is there soemthing wrong with my h20 unit? 55 is a joke. What a tease if this comes down to their transmitter. Someone please let me know all the spcifics my DTV unit needs to be on.

Have you tried going to your H20 unit, antenna set up, removing all local channels and then do a new scan of local channels? When you do this Channel 55-1 should disappear from the guide and Channel 36-1 should replace it. That is the new Fox 55 digtal channel. I had to go though this process three times with my HR20 before it took properly. Keep trying once you get it set up right, you will be plesently surprised. Also, check you antenna strength for Fox 36.1, if its in the 50's it should give you good reception in HD. My strength is in the mid 60's and it works fine. I live in Leo. MMike

I think the important thing to remember is that they are probably still using their original DT transmitter. If so, they are still at 970 watts (about 10-15 lightbulbs worth) at a height of 210 feet off the ground. The other thing to consider is that this power is directed at 230 degrees (SW). That explains why people SW of the Fort can get it from further away. However, for those in the Dupont/Tonkel area, you're looking more along the lines of 610 watts.

Here is the FCC report for WFFT: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?list=0&facid=25040
And here is the polar plot of the transmitter: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/polarplot?temp=46339&rotate=0.00&p0=0.571&p10=0.586&p20=0.607&p30=0.627&p40=0.640&p50=0.645&p60=0.641&p70=0.631&p80=0.613&p90=0.592&p100=0.579&p110=0.570&p120=0.579&p130=0.610&p140=0.650&p150=0.699&p160=0.759&p170=0.817&p180=0.869&p190=0.914&p200=0.951&p210=0.975&p220=0.993&p230=1.000&p240=0.996&p250=0.981&p260=0.955&p270=0.920&p280=0.876&p290=0.826&p300=0.771&p310=0.714&p320=0.661&p330=0.615&p340=0.583&p350=0.569&p360=0.571&

You probably got 73% because of favorable weather conditions.

Ok- I'm in SE whitley county which would be right in line with an antenna pointing to the SW from Ft. Wayne. I live literall 1.5 miles from aboite twp. I got 36.1 after removing my channels as earlier suggested. That is when 36.1 showed up at 73%. i was jacked! I was busy then ovr xmas, turned it on, on the 27th- GONE. 36-1 there- but no signal. NO SIGNAL AT ALL. I've tried everything. Now last night- 36-1 nor 55.1 showed up on the signal scan. What a hoaxe. If you can't put the signal out for everyone to see it within 15 miles- don't put it out at all. Not 'til you're ready. they made alot of people happy, and alot of people even more mad at them than they were already.

Has anyone had any luck with using an amplified indoor antenna here on the NW side of town? I tried an RCA one that was amplified at 55 db and received a signal of 44, but it never locked on to a picture. Any advice would be thankful. I went to Radio Shack and bought an antenna that looks like the Starship Enterprise (literally) and I am now able to get Fox Fort Wayne in HD!!!! I can't believe it. Just in time for all the football this weekend!

I live by st.judes/parkview and the signal for fox is really good on my outdoor antenna. Fox was jumping between 36.1 and 36.3 during the holidays but the last couple of days it's been on 36.3 the Fiesta bowl looked good last night. The antenna is a channel master 4221 works great!

Has anyone had any luck with using an amplified indoor antenna here on the NW side of town? I tried an RCA one that was amplified at 55 db and received a signal of 44, but it never locked on to a picture. Any advice would be thankful. I went to Radio Shack and bought an antenna that looks like the Starship Enterprise (literally) and I am now able to get Fox Fort Wayne in HD!!!! I can't believe it. Just in time for all the football this weekend!

Hey good for you! Doesen't Fox 36.1 look great, wait till you see the game tonight in HD. What kind of signal are you picking up with the new antenna? Has it also, increased your signal strength from other Fort Wayne stations? I am glad for you! MMike

Hey good for you! Doesen't Fox 36.1 look great, wait till you see the game tonight in HD. What kind of signal are you picking up with the new antenna? Has it also, increased your signal strength from other Fort Wayne stations? I am glad for you! MMike

It does look great...can't wait for the game tonight and the NFL this weekend. I'm pulling it in consistently at high 50s to 60. Signal strength for the others has increased, also. It's a directional antenna as opposed to the omni I was using previously. I'm also curious now to watch some shows on Fox's lineup. I never really watched any of them because I wanted to see it in HD. I've heard House is a great show. Thanks!

It does look great...can't wait for the game tonight and the NFL this weekend. I'm pulling it in consistently at high 50s to 60. Signal strength for the others has increased, also. It's a directional antenna as opposed to the omni I was using previously. I'm also curious now to watch some shows on Fox's lineup. I never really watched any of them because I wanted to see it in HD. I've heard House is a great show. Thanks!

Yea, sounds good, hope that signal remains where it is at for you. Mine runs anywhere from low 60's to mid 70's. Like someone else said weather can affect the signal. I get my best signal when its cloudy or misty and foggy out. My worst signal are sometimes when its clear out, like tonight. So maybe your signal will remain where its at or even go a little higher depending on the weather. They do not currently have a whole lot of HD programming on Fox, but what they do have is really good. And the regular reception now looks alot better then before. MMike

Yea, sounds good, hope that signal remains where it is at for you. Mine runs anywhere from low 60's to mid 70's. Like someone else said weather can affect the signal. I get my best signal when its cloudy or misty and foggy out. My worst signal are sometimes when its clear out, like tonight. So maybe your signal will remain where its at or even go a little higher depending on the weather. They do not currently have a whole lot of HD programming on Fox, but what they do have is really good. And the regular reception now looks alot better then before. MMike
Everything looks great...signal is strong at 58-60, but I've noticed that the sound is off. I hear it and then their mouths move. Has anyone else seen something like this with Fox's HD feed? Thanks.

Everything looks great...signal is strong at 58-60, but I've noticed that the sound is off. I hear it and then their mouths move. Has anyone else seen something like this with Fox's HD feed? Thanks.

Never noticed any problems with the sound. Is this ongoing or just on occassion? MMike

Seems to be ongoing....actually was fine last night during Bones and House. So..only on occassion.

Fox HD is now on Comcast 234

Comcast beat Verizon? Oh, the humanity!!!

Fox HD is now on Comcast 234

And it seems at least a few channels in the 149-173 and 301-310 area have disappeared as well.

And it seems at least a few channels in the 149-173 and 301-310 area have disappeared as well.

Perhaps the other regions were removed...I have been off all week, so I can't find out until Monday what went on there.:confused:

Perhaps the other regions were removed...I have been off all week, so I can't find out until Monday what went on there.:confused:

Is bandwidth that much of a problem that to add one HD channel they have to remove several SDs? Couldn't something less popular have been taken down?

Perhaps the other regions were removed...I have been off all week, so I can't find out until Monday what went on there.:confused:

Bandwidth is not a problem...

I think the important thing to remember is that they are probably still using their original DT transmitter. If so, they are still at 970 watts (about 10-15 lightbulbs worth) at a height of 210 feet off the ground. The other thing to consider is that this power is directed at 230 degrees (SW). That explains why people SW of the Fort can get it from further away. However, for those in the Dupont/Tonkel area, you're looking more along the lines of 610 watts.

Here is the FCC report for WFFT: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?list=0&facid=25040
And here is the polar plot of the transmitter: http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/polarplot?temp=46339&rotate=0.00&p0=0.571&p10=0.586&p20=0.607&p30=0.627&p40=0.640&p50=0.645&p60=0.641&p70=0.631&p80=0.613&p90=0.592&p100=0.579&p110=0.570&p120=0.579&p130=0.610&p140=0.650&p150=0.699&p160=0.759&p170=0.817&p180=0.869&p190=0.914&p200=0.951&p210=0.975&p220=0.993&p230=1.000&p240=0.996&p250=0.981&p260=0.955&p270=0.920&p280=0.876&p290=0.826&p300=0.771&p310=0.714&p320=0.661&p330=0.615&p340=0.583&p350=0.569&p360=0.571&

You probably got 73% because of favorable weather conditions.

Well well perhaps all the constructive complaining from members of this forum helped to finally get WFFT to broadcast some HD - congrats!

However I could use some help in troubleshooting my current WFFT problem: I still cannot get OTA WFFT even though I'm getting everything else at 80-90%... what have i overlooked? WFFT is up and working today, right?
I have tried my rooftop CM 4228 with and without the amp, and I have line of sight to the towers... here is the antennaweb info for my place:
WFFT-DT 55.1 FOX 150° 10.1 miles Churubusco.

But still I get no signal although I was able to get occasional signal without the amp before WFFT upgraded. Any guesses as to my problem? I have also tried adding/removing 36.1/55 from the tuner with no change.

Any ideas would be helpful, thanks!

Hey there! Just moved here from Binghamton, NY this past summer and I've been "Unplugged" for about 2-3 years now (No cable, No satellite, just FiOS internet).

Anyways, I live one block over from Colliseum just south of New Haven Ave. and I have 2 antennas: One is a Radio Shack 160'' Boom VHF/UHF antenna mounted in the attic. The other is a Radio Shack (sorry, I haven't saved the cash to get a channel master yet) HDTV Directional amplified antenna (the one that looks like a plastic satellite dish). I currently have it pointed in the direction of most of the towers (301 degrees). I plan to go outside today and check it with a compass for more precision.

But getting back on subject, I have noticed issues with the digital signals in the area with the most problematic being WFFT (sorry, "Fox Fort Wayne" now). From what I've read, it's most likely them and not me. I have had some intermittent with the other channels, but not near as much as Fox. So I plan to test everything from the dish direction to the cable running to the tv (pretty much all double shield RG6) and see if it helps.

I have a decent HDTV that I got for a great price- unfortunately, it has no signal strength meter available while watching TV. The only time there is a meter is when it is scannin for channels, which doesn't give you enough time to aim and check the signal.

BTW, watching the wild card game on FOX right now and it seems like FOX's feed is the issue, but I can't really be sure. I sure hope they firgure things out soon. I really can't complain because it is free broadcast tv, but I'm some of my tax dollars are floating around in there somewhere!

Sorry for the long post, but my question is whether it is my setup or if the stations of FW are having difficulty with their digital transmissions.

~Mark

Fox HD is now on Comcast 234

Any news on FIOS?

/Damn you, Comcast!

Has anyone had any luck with using an amplified indoor antenna here on the NW side of town? I tried an RCA one that was amplified at 55 db and received a signal of 44, but it never locked on to a picture. Any advice would be thankful. I went to Radio Shack and bought an antenna that looks like the Starship Enterprise (literally) and I am now able to get Fox Fort Wayne in HD!!!! I can't believe it. Just in time for all the football this weekend!

I got the same one you are talking about and can't get a lick. What direction did you use on it? I am at Wallen/Auburn.

I got the same one you are talking about and can't get a lick. What direction did you use on it? I am at Wallen/Auburn.

Also...I read online somewhere that you can put a piece of aluminum foil underneath and enhance the signal...worth a try! I actually just set it up in the room and rotated it until it locked on to the channel.

Also...I read online somewhere that you can put a piece of aluminum foil underneath and enhance the signal...worth a try! I actually just set it up in the room and rotated it until it locked on to the channel.

Interesting... I may try that!


For my tv, it's a tad more difficult than rotating the antenna until it locks, as the tv won't sit on the channel unless it locks.

Interesting... I may try that!


For my tv, it's a tad more difficult than rotating the antenna until it locks, as the tv won't sit on the channel unless it locks.

I'm actually able to tune into 36.1 and then mess with the antenna. Also helps that I can have the signal strength meter up at the same time.

anyone know the qam channel for fox fort wayne on comcast? Thanks.

well I've spent all day troubleshooting my lack of signal for WFFT with no improvement. I get about 15% signal with no sound if I just use my rooftop CM4228 but the signal drops to 0% if I try any type of amplification (I even bought a new antenna-mounted amp just in case my CM7775 had gone bad)

pretty sad that even at 10 miles from WFFT's tower and with a line of sight antenna 28 feet off the ground I STILL cannot receive their broadcast. Oh well it's just the Superbowl :mad:

I emailed WFFT to see if there were any plans to raise their antenna or boost their power before the superbowl and here is their response:
Thanks for your e-mail. Unfortunately, there are no plans that I know of to go to Full Power HD until sometime this later this year. We are on Comcast channel 234 and Verizon channel 805 if that helps any.

Fox Fort Wayne is on Verizon channel 805!!! It does not show up on the guide, but if you punch in 805 with your remote....voila!!! Just in time for the National Championship tonight!

Fox Fort Wayne is on Verizon channel 805!!! It does not show up on the guide, but if you punch in 805 with your remote....voila!!! Just in time for the National Championship tonight!

YES! Goodbye antenna!

805 is indeed FOX HD on FIOS. I may cry.


Bonus: It's in Dolby Digital!

805 is indeed FOX HD on FIOS. I may cry.


Bonus: It's in Dolby Digital!

What?!? I'm not able to get FOX HD on FIOS channel 805. It acts like it is trying to tune it in, but all I get is a blank screen and no sound! Did anyone have to do anything special to be able to tune it in?

805 isn't shown on my FIOS guide, but I am able to tune to it manually.

What?!? I'm not able to get FOX HD on FIOS channel 805. It acts like it is trying to tune it in, but all I get is a blank screen and no sound! Did anyone have to do anything special to be able to tune it in?

Try turning it off/on or do a hard reset (unplug it for 30 secs)

FOX Ft. Wayne on QAM channel 60-3. I had to autoscan on one tuner and punch in 60 on the other, but both tuned it in to 60-3.

FOX Ft. Wayne on QAM channel 60-3. I had to autoscan on one tuner and punch in 60 on the other, but both tuned it in to 60-3.

Thanks.

805 is indeed FOX HD on FIOS. I may cry.


Bonus: It's in Dolby Digital!

I'm with ya...Fox on Fios has an amazing HD picture. It sure beats the HD signal I was getting OTA.

anyone in new haven have any luck getting fox in hd? i have a buddy that lives further away from them then me and he picks it up

Fox Fort Wayne is on Verizon channel 805!!! It does not show up on the guide, but if you punch in 805 with your remote....voila!!! Just in time for the National Championship tonight!

Thanks for the heads up last night. Its probably just from the years of anticipation, but I swear that BCS game last night on FIOS was the best picture I have ever seen on my TV.

After years of me complaining about our delay in getting Fox HD and FIOS , I am now going to have to think long and hard about coming up w something new to bitch about, ... but for right now I am one happy camper !! :)

Thanks for the heads up last night. Its probably just from the years of anticipation, but I swear that BCS game last night on FIOS was the best picture I have ever seen on my TV.

After years of me complaining about our delay in getting Fox HD and FIOS , I am now going to have to think long and hard about coming up w something new to bitch about, ... but for right now I am one happy camper !! :)

It is quite good. I kept switching between the HD and SD feeds.

Did I mention it's in Dolby Digital? :D

Has anyone had any luck with using an amplified indoor antenna here on the NW side of town? I tried an RCA one that was amplified at 55 db and received a signal of 44, but it never locked on to a picture. Any advice would be thankful. I went to Radio Shack and bought an antenna that looks like the Starship Enterprise (literally) and I am now able to get Fox Fort Wayne in HD!!!! I can't believe it. Just in time for all the football this weekend!


gocubs - can you give us the name, model # , ... of your antenna. I am practically your next door neighbor and cannot pick up 55 with an indoor directional antenna. Is you antenna an indoor or outdoor? Mounted in your attic? I looked for the Enterprise antenna online with no luck. Appreciate the help!

gocubs - can you give us the name, model # , ... of your antenna. I am practically your next door neighbor and cannot pick up 55 with an indoor directional antenna. Is you antenna an indoor or outdoor? Mounted in your attic? I looked for the Enterprise antenna online with no luck. Appreciate the help!

Copied off of radioshack.com

Indoor VHF/UHF/HDTV Antenna with RF Remote Control
Model: 15-1892 | Catalog #: 15-1892

Indoor....amplified....sat right next to my tv about 5 foot off the ground....

They have one at the store in the mall.

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?parentPage=search&summary=summary&cp=&productId=2131034&accessories=accessories&kw=outdoor+amplified+tv+antennas&techSpecs=techSpecs&currentTab=custRatings&custRatings=custRatings&sr=1&features=features&origkw=outdoor+amplified+tv+antennas&support=support&tab=summary

Thanks for the heads up last night. Its probably just from the years of anticipation, but I swear that BCS game last night on FIOS was the best picture I have ever seen on my TV.

After years of me complaining about our delay in getting Fox HD and FIOS , I am now going to have to think long and hard about coming up w something new to bitch about, ... but for right now I am one happy camper !! :)

I'm with ya....it's almost like we have received a new channel. I never really tuned in to Fox 55 before because it was HD deficient. Now I find myself wanting to watch the new and improved Fox Fort Wayne.

I also completely agree that it was the best picture I've seen on my tv last night. Can't wait to watch ALL of the NFL games this weekend IN HI DEFINITION.

As a licensed antenna installer it is beyond my understanding why ninety percent of the threads I read is antenna issues! This is not a hobby experiment or throw anything you can find up in the air and pray for a miracle. Bigger is not always better like the rat shack u/v 160 mile aerial. A location must be fitted with the proper antenna. Walking the roof with a field strength meter a small antenna mounted on a telescopic push up mast is the first step. When the location is found and the signal measurments are noted then you can decide what aerial you can select. THe type of roof mount, length of mast, the type of cable calculating the loss of signal per 50 to 100 feet of wire. grounding paths and running the cable inside so it looks almost invisible. Hey you just shelled out two to four thousand dollars for a Television receiver. Why are you feeding it with an under engineered cheep antenna?

After getting 55 a day before christmas, then nothing for literally 2 weeks, it came in clear as a bell tonight. The signal went between 60 and 70% the whole night. I literally had nothing 2 days ago when I tried a signal scan. I fear going home from work today to no signal. By the way- I'm in SE Whitley County. Yes, near aboite twp.

anyone in new haven have any luck getting fox in hd? i have a buddy that lives further away from them then me and he picks it up

I live in New Haven near Moeller Rd. and Sherbrook Dr. My house runs north to south. In my attic on the north end I have a Radio Shack VU-90XR antenna. I used RG6 cable. It is not amplified and is split once with a quality splitter. About 40 ft. of cable I'd guess. Have recieved 55's digital signal since they started except very bad weather. I agree with others who have said the signal seems to be stronger since the HD conversion, 10 to 15 points on a Dish 211 reciever. Hope this helps- good luck!

As a licensed antenna installer it is beyond my understanding why ninety percent of the threads I read is antenna issues! This is not a hobby experiment or throw anything you can find up in the air and pray for a miracle. Bigger is not always better like the rat shack u/v 160 mile aerial. A location must be fitted with the proper antenna. Walking the roof with a field strength meter a small antenna mounted on a telescopic push up mast is the first step. When the location is found and the signal measurments are noted then you can decide what aerial you can select. THe type of roof mount, length of mast, the type of cable calculating the loss of signal per 50 to 100 feet of wire. grounding paths and running the cable inside so it looks almost invisible. Hey you just shelled out two to four thousand dollars for a Television receiver. Why are you feeding it with an under engineered cheep antenna?
well, maybe a pro antenna-guy would be way smarter, safer, and effective :o
... but then i would not have spent literally all day perched on my 2.5 story roof while 'conversing' with my wife over a walkie talkie while i tried every conceivable height, degree, and equip combo amidst the whipping 25mph january wind! such good times! :rolleyes:
worst part is that i was still unsuccessful in receiving WFFT from 10 miles away while last spring I was getting FOX HD from SOUTH BEND's WSJV!?!? but who needs to see the Superbowl this year anyway? ...and I haven't watched WFFT in over 3 years when I first got my HDTV and subsequently refused to watch the grainy lo-def WFFT picture so why should I start caring now? probably just pride.

shoot, most average people STILL do not know that you can even get HD for free with an antenna and I can't believe how many people think that they are getting HD just because they have an HDTV!?!? I look at their screen and whince at the stretched, grainy quality from their satellite or cable that they already pay an arm and a leg for and try to decide if I should tell them that they will need to pay even more to actually get HD from their provider.:eek:

So, just for curiosity sake (since I can't get cable or FIOS) how much is basic service these days? does it include any true HD in the basic package? How much for the full deal?

...Hey you just shelled out two to four thousand dollars for a Television receiver. Why are you feeding it with an under engineered cheep antenna?So my plan for building my own antenna isn't the brightest idea? :)
How to build a UHF HDTV Antenna....CHEAP! (http://uhfhdtvantenna.blogspot.com/)

So my plan for building my own antenna isn't the brightest idea? :)
How to build a UHF HDTV Antenna....CHEAP! (http://uhfhdtvantenna.blogspot.com/)

I think its a gread idea!

I live in New Haven near Moeller Rd. and Sherbrook Dr. My house runs north to south. In my attic on the north end I have a Radio Shack VU-90XR antenna. I used RG6 cable. It is not amplified and is split once with a quality splitter. About 40 ft. of cable I'd guess. Have recieved 55's digital signal since they started except very bad weather. I agree with others who have said the signal seems to be stronger since the HD conversion, 10 to 15 points on a Dish 211 reciever. Hope this helps- good luck!

i live right down the street from there on Woodmere Dr. i might have to take a look at that antenna to try and pick up fox. i just found it on the web page now. does you have to rotate it much to pick up all the stations? that is my dads only concern about getting an outdoor antenna.

i live right down the street from there on Woodmere Dr. i might have to take a look at that antenna to try and pick up fox. i just found it on the web page now. does you have to rotate it much to pick up all the stations? that is my dads only concern about getting an outdoor antenna.

Antenna is in the attic and is in fixed position. I was lucky that worked out this way. No worries about lightening or grounding. The south end of attic we use for storage. The north end where the antenna is hard to access. When I insatalled it the wife looked at the tv while I aimed for good reception. I have not touched it for over 3 years. Why some can get Fox and others can't- I don't have an answer really. I do know that this antenna was overkill = it is rated for a much longer distance to the tower, but I knew inside the attic you will lose signal.

well, maybe a pro antenna-guy would be way smarter, safer, and effective :o
... but then i would not have spent literally all day perched on my 2.5 story roof while 'conversing' with my wife over a walkie talkie while i tried every conceivable height, degree, and equip combo amidst the whipping 25mph january wind! such good times! :rolleyes:
worst part is that i was still unsuccessful in receiving WFFT from 10 miles away while last spring I was getting FOX HD from SOUTH BEND's WSJV!?!? <snip>
Sounds so familiar . . . I was yelling to my son who was on a cell phone with someone inside . . . (I wanted an extra hand to hold on)
Just found this thread; apologize for newbie question . . . I am about 63 mi. SSE in rural Ohio, and getting fairly reliable picture & sound from WPTA and WISE. I see a signal - about 40% - for the CBS affiliate, but nothing, zero, for WFFT.
So, is WFFT-DT at "36"?

I saw an earlier post about 60-3 . . . is that what you entered in your digital tuner?

I am using the Radio Shack UHF-only directional antenna w/ a mast-mounted pre-amp (Philips maybe?). The antenna is about a 15-element.

Sounds so familiar . . . I was yelling to my son who was on a cell phone with someone inside . . . (I wanted an extra hand to hold on)
Just found this thread; apologize for newbie question . . . I am about 63 mi. SSE in rural Ohio, and getting fairly reliable picture & sound from WPTA and WISE. I see a signal - about 40% - for the CBS affiliate, but nothing, zero, for WFFT.
So, is WFFT-DT at "36"?

I saw an earlier post about 60-3 . . . is that what you entered in your digital tuner?

I am using the Radio Shack UHF-only directional antenna w/ a mast-mounted pre-amp (Philips maybe?). The antenna is about a 15-element.

The digital TV channel for Fox is 36.1, I would be surprised if you could pick this channel up from Ohio as they are brodcasting in low power at this time. They plan to upgrade to high power next summer sometime at which time you should not have any problems getting good reception. Good Luck. MMike

I'm with ya....it's almost like we have received a new channel. I never really tuned in to Fox 55 before because it was HD deficient. Now I find myself wanting to watch the new and improved Fox Fort Wayne. ...... Can't wait to watch ALL of the NFL games this weekend IN HI DEFINITION.

Same w me. It really is like having a new channel. Its not like I was actively boycotting Fox 55 before, but w so many other HD choices out there, why watch in SD. This week I have already watched several shows on Fox that I had never seen before. One of those shows (Back to You) I will definitely continue to watch. Also, I will be watching the Packers Seahawks game this weekend. I will enjoy watching the game to root for Old Man Brett, but for me it was not a "must see" game. Having it in HD is the deciding factor.

Sorry to ramble, but I am still at that giddy stage in my new love affair w FOX HD. :D

bari_old_dad,

If your only getting 40% on WANE there is not way on earth you will be able to see Fox (36.1). I'm afraid you are going to have to wait until this summer when they go full power.

Martian21

Same w me. It really is like having a new channel. Its not like I was actively boycotting Fox 55 before, but w so many other HD choices out there, why watch in SD. This week I have already watched several shows on Fox that I had never seen before. One of those shows (Back to You) I will definitely continue to watch. Also, I will be watching the Packers Seahawks game this weekend. I will enjoy watching the game to root for Old Man Brett, but for me it was not a "must see" game. Having it in HD is the deciding factor.

Sorry to ramble, but I am still at that giddy stage in my new love affair w FOX HD. :D

I concur completely. I was actively boycotting Fox 55...but Fox Fort Wayne may now have moved to the forefront of channels to watch! Their sports coverage kills the other networks and I'm also liking the shows they put out each night. House is growing on me big time.

For those of you who try your reception with and without an amplifier-do you simply unplug the unit or take it completely out of line and run the cable direct to the receiver?

For those of you who try your reception with and without an amplifier-do you simply unplug the unit or take it completely out of line and run the cable direct to the receiver?

I would recommend disconnecting the unit and running the cable direct to the receiver. However I am using a Radio Shack 1 - to - 4 Bi-Directional Amplifer, which boosts signal by up to 8dB and it has a adjustable control on it in which I can decreas or increase gain strength. In this case I just turn the gain control all the way down and continue to use the control. Radio Shack Pt No. 15-2506. Hope this helps. MMike

Please someone tell me what I'm doing wrong.

I have an HR20 and cannot get the guide to give me a selection for 36.1. Based on previous posts, this is what I have been doing:

- Edit off-air channels.
- Remove all channels.
- Select "DONE"
- Reset OTA Channels
- Initial Setup


Thanks,
Mark

Please someone tell me what I'm doing wrong.

I have an HR20 and cannot get the guide to give me a selection for 36.1. Based on previous posts, this is what I have been doing:

- Edit off-air channels.
- Remove all channels.
- Select "DONE"
- Reset OTA Channels
- Initial Setup


Thanks,
Mark

Mark, just a comment, looks like you went through the process correctly as you indicated. Sometimes it may take two or three trys to go through correctly. I think I had some inital problems getting it to take and I think I rebooted my HR20 via the red button prior to the last time I tried and then it worked properly. So you might try that, also, I think I used zip code "46825" on my set up process. So you might want to try again. Also, if you go to your TV side and you do a digital scan do you pick up 36.1 and does the signal come in clear. If it does then for sure you should be able to pick 36.1 up on your HR20 scan. Let me know if you get this worked out! Good luck. MMike

Here's something to talk about.... Back in "the old days", I would sometimes decide to go out to watch the big game at a bar because of the atmosphere and enjoyment of watching a game with a bunch of other people. At that time I had to weigh my decision based on whether or not I wanted to reek of smoke afterward. Nowadays, it's not the smoke but rather if I want to watch the game in crappy SD!

Everywhere I go I see nice flat panel displays, but most times they are showing SD content. It seems when I'm traveling nationally I run into bars/restaurants showing HD content much more often than I do here locally. Is Fort Wayne really behind the times in this arena or am I just not going to the right spots? Let's see if we can all help each other out by posting where we can find HD content when we want to go out for a drink and a game.

The only two places I can think of where I've seen HD are:
Buckets - Their projection screens are HD, I believe there are 5 of them.
Kaysan's 5th Down - They have several projection screens that can show HD, but their sound system is screwed up. I went there for the Purdue/Ohio State football game a couple months ago and when they had the big projection screen on the HD channel you could barely hear the audio. They said that in order to increase the volume they had to switch that screen to the SD channel. Lame.

I know this probably only affects those of us in the hinterlands, but, 15 couldn't pick a worse time of year, except maybe March Madness, to be having obvious issues with their digital transmission.

Is Fort Wayne really behind the times in this arena or am I just not going to the right spots? .

Yes Fort Wayne is WAY behind the times. I was getting South Bend stations years before Fort Wayne. I've been getting South Bends 28 with 90% signal strength for at least the last 6 years. Here, FOX is still the same, crappy signal. Fortunately for me I don't care, since I get the South Bends FOX 28 better. As for the other channels, 39 was the first, but then they screwed up and took their HD content and replaced it with SD. Still I don't care since I get South Bends 34 in true 1080i all the time.

One note on FOX 55, I see alot of conversation about getting the signal. Please go back a couple years in this thread and you will see the conversation hasn't changed one bit about how crappy FOX in Fort Wayne is.

Then on top of it, the people here in the area are just as bad at being behind the times. I know where I work, out of about 500 people I would say there are only about 2% that have HDTV's and most have no plans in the future to even go that way. Really sad considering how much better HDTV is, but it is there loss, not mine.



They said that in order to increase the volume they had to switch that screen to the SD channel. Lame.

That's totally bull. I have my 5.1 sourround hooked up and the sound is 100 times better than listening it thru the regular TV speakers. To me it is just the opposite, I can't hear as good with the TV speakers as I can with the 5.1 surround system. The sound is so much sharper and clearer.

diehard

IT WORKS IT WORKS IT WORKS!!!!!!!!
I just built that cheap antenna (I posted about earlier) stuck it in my attic and tuned my tv to 36.1. FOX-DT is ALIVE!!!

Hey I am so glad you got your home made TV antenna up and running! Isen't that Fox HD 36.1 station just the greatest HD picture you have seen. Thank you Fox for all that you have done to bring Fort Wayne great HD TV. It will even be greater this summer when they can go full power, then all folks in the area will be able to get there great HD station! MMike

IT WORKS IT WORKS IT WORKS!!!!!!!!
I just built that cheap antenna (I posted about earlier) stuck it in my attic and tuned my tv to 36.1. FOX-DT is ALIVE!!!

Again great work, may I ask what kind of signat strength you pulling in? MMike

Here's something to talk about.... Back in "the old days", I would sometimes decide to go out to watch the big game at a bar because of the atmosphere and enjoyment of watching a game with a bunch of other people. At that time I had to weigh my decision based on whether or not I wanted to reek of smoke afterward. Nowadays, it's not the smoke but rather if I want to watch the game in crappy SD!

Everywhere I go I see nice flat panel displays, but most times they are showing SD content. It seems when I'm traveling nationally I run into bars/restaurants showing HD content much more often than I do here locally. Is Fort Wayne really behind the times in this arena or am I just not going to the right spots? Let's see if we can all help each other out by posting where we can find HD content when we want to go out for a drink and a game.

The only two places I can think of where I've seen HD are:
Buckets - Their projection screens are HD, I believe there are 5 of them.
Kaysan's 5th Down - They have several projection screens that can show HD, but their sound system is screwed up. I went there for the Purdue/Ohio State football game a couple months ago and when they had the big projection screen on the HD channel you could barely hear the audio. They said that in order to increase the volume they had to switch that screen to the SD channel. Lame.

Good topic to bring up. I would enjoy occasionally going out w some of the guys to watch a game, and it would be very helpful to know which pubs have HD. Over the last few years we mostly stopped going to bars to watch games, partly because of old age, but mostly because of their crappy SD TVs .

I have only been to one bar recently to watch a game and that was at Hooters, and I can not honestly say that I paid much attention to the quality of the picture . ;)

Hopefully some of the others that get out more often than I do can chime in.

I got to see WFFT-DT via FiOS last night, and thanks to the splicer system, it looks good. The SD station-originated material is still its oversaturated self though. The manageable station bug was a surprise, but is it really necessary to drop the feed at the start of every program just for (imo, a really cheaply generated) station ID? There should be another way of fulfilling that requirement.

Hey I am so glad you got your home made TV antenna up and running! Isen't that Fox HD 36.1 station just the greatest HD picture you have seen. Thank you Fox for all that you have done to bring Fort Wayne great HD TV. It will even be greater this summer when they can go full power, then all folks in the area will be able to get there great HD station! MMike

Better late than never, I guess.

Again great work, may I ask what kind of signat strength you pulling in? MMike
I would love to be able to tell you...however I've recently found that my Sharp Aquos doesn't have signal meter... :(
Unless someone knows where it's hiding...my Model is the LC42D62U.

Also, the signal isn't strong enough to lock for my MythTV (my ATSC card isn't the best) or else I'd use that meter. I will say that before while using my Silver Sensor in the attic my signals were as follows:
CBS - 100%
ABC - 98%
NBC - 100%
PBS - 53%
FOX - No lock

now with the homemade wonder:
CBS - 100%
ABC - 100%
NBC - 100%
PBS - 100%
FOX - Lock [no signal strength]

So....my plan is to buy a signal amplifier and try it again. Hopefully that way I can lock onto FOX and re-aim the antenna.

Fox Fort Wayne is fantastic! I've never been so happy to see a Football game! I didn't even care who was playing. :D

[EDIT] Just found the signal strength meter for my TV. Stupid thing is hidden. I'll post back when I get the results

Entourage,

I had the same problem with FOX last night. For some reason my Myth box could not get a lock. I had about 62% signal (which is lower than is has been) but it would not lock. I'm using an HDHomerun which is a 5th generation HD tuner. Never had any problems getting a lock before.

Funny thing is that when I manually tuned to the station (with the HDHomerun configuration tool) it locked on no problem and I got a perfect HD picture for nearly an hour.

I'm planning to watch the 2nd part of Terminator pilot tonight so we will see how it goes.

Martian21

I'm using an HDHomerun which is a 5th generation HD tuner...
Yeah, I've got the eBay special Air2PC Rev 0.2 PCI ATSC card. It works great for HD but the tuner attenuates the signal so I lose a bit. And with Fox in it's current state, I can't afford to lose anything. ;)

Antenna is in the attic and is in fixed position. I was lucky that worked out this way. No worries about lightening or grounding. The south end of attic we use for storage. The north end where the antenna is hard to access. When I insatalled it the wife looked at the tv while I aimed for good reception. I have not touched it for over 3 years. Why some can get Fox and others can't- I don't have an answer really. I do know that this antenna was overkill = it is rated for a much longer distance to the tower, but I knew inside the attic you will lose signal.

just hooked that same antenna at my house and now i can pick up fox!! its at about a 70 signal strength and i get a 100 on the other 3 big networks. cant wait to watch prison break tonight in HD!!

The only two places I can think of where I've seen HD are:
Buckets - Their projection screens are HD, I believe there are 5 of them.
Kaysan's 5th Down - They have several projection screens that can show HD, but their sound system is screwed up. I went there for the Purdue/Ohio State football game a couple months ago and when they had the big projection screen on the HD channel you could barely hear the audio. They said that in order to increase the volume they had to switch that screen to the SD channel. Lame.

As I recall, Legends was one of the first places to have a decent HD projection setup.

Last time I was in town, I talked with some of the guys at Buckets and they were very proud of getting the HD stuff put in (although last time I was there, they still had not rejiggered [tech term] the aspect ratio of the screens themselves)

BTW - I wouldn't say The Fort is way behind the times as far as sports bars getting upgraded to HD. You do tend to see more places that have made the investment in more competitive markets, but in smaller towns, not so much. I'm getting to the point that unless the beer is really cheap or the wait-staff are really good looking I'll go elsewhere if there's no HD

BTW-BTW Happy to learn you guys finally have FOX in HD !!!!!

I found this for installing Antenna. This guy is from Marion and even gets South Bend stations. Looks like a nice setup. Also good for people who live outside of Fort Wayne and who live between some of the major cities to get other stations:

http://home.indy.rr.com/challengerul/antenna.html

diehard

The previous posted signal readings were from my MythTV. Here are the results from my Sharp TV:
CBS - 90%
ABC - 90%
NBC - 90%
PBS - 72%
FOX - 47%

I still need to aim my Antenna (I just threw it up there and eyeballed it in the direction I thought it should go)

I didn't have any problems locking on to FOX in Myth tonight. Watched for an hour with no issues at all. My signal level was at about 74 which is a substantial jump from about 62 last night. I'm not going to even speculate on this one, I just hope the signal stays up in the 70's and that I don't have any more problems locking on.

Martian21

Had 55 (36.1) OTA here in Huntington from Sunday night through this morning. Sunday night was getting a picture at 58 and it climbed through the week, got as high as 68 through my Dish receiver. Tonight its not coming in. Channel Master 8-Bay MultiBow 6-foot pole on the one-story house peak east side of town.

Yep, same here via Comcast.
WISE should have the new gear installed on the tower in about two weeks depending on the weather. This gear is being guaranteed to work without dropouts.

WISE should have the new gear installed on the tower in about two weeks depending on the weather. This gear is being guaranteed to work without dropouts.

All right, thanks for the update ENGjas.

It has been really annoying with the dropouts.

diehard

Any update on the channels that comcast dropped at the same time they added Fox HD???

Any update on the channels that comcast dropped at the same time they added Fox HD???

It was the west feeds. I saw the list and it was all west. So no channels were dropped, just the later time slots.

Had 55 (36.1) OTA here in Huntington from Sunday night through this morning. Sunday night was getting a picture at 58 and it climbed through the week, got as high as 68 through my Dish receiver. Tonight its not coming in. Channel Master 8-Bay MultiBow 6-foot pole on the one-story house peak east side of town.

Back tonight. Wind must have blown the interference away.

It was the west feeds. I saw the list and it was all west. So no channels were dropped, just the later time slots.

Thanks for the info. Any explanation why they were dropped?

just hooked that same antenna at my house and now i can pick up fox!! its at about a 70 signal strength and i get a 100 on the other 3 big networks. cant wait to watch prison break tonight in HD!!

Your welcome!

Thanks for the info. Any explanation why they were dropped?

I was told possibly marketing...I didn't research any further.

I was told possibly marketing...I didn't research any further.

Cool. Thanks again.

Did WANE up their power recently? I was only getting readings in the 70's in the past but today I looked and it was up around 90. Maybe it's just a fluke on my end... ?

Nope, we haven't raised the power. Must be the weather!

Guess so. I wish this weather would keep up them because I'm finally getting acceptable levels for all channels without having to move the antenna a bit.

If I recall, there were issues with WANE going full power because of a last minute change in channel assignment? Does this mean no full power until the 2009 cut-off date, or is the plan to go full power sometime prior to that? (If so, when?) Seems this question comes up ever so often, but I don't remember ever seeing a clear answer and haven't found one in my brief search of this thread.

Guess so. I wish this weather would keep up them because I'm finally getting acceptable levels for all channels without having to move the antenna a bit.

If I recall, there were issues with WANE going full power because of a last minute change in channel assignment? Does this mean no full power until the 2009 cut-off date, or is the plan to go full power sometime prior to that? (If so, when?) Seems this question comes up ever so often, but I don't remember ever seeing a clear answer and haven't found one in my brief search of this thread.

Last answer I received was when the analog station their digital signal could interfere with goes digital only- at the deadline- WANE can power up. I'm seeing a much better signal from them about 8 out of the last 10 days as well and getting FOX FW digital in Huntington also. Their strengths seem to come and go in sync. I was thinking weather or atmosphere but I haven't seen that type of help be so consistent over this long of time.

Here's something to talk about.... Back in "the old days", I would sometimes decide to go out to watch the big game at a bar because of the atmosphere and enjoyment of watching a game with a bunch of other people. At that time I had to weigh my decision based on whether or not I wanted to reek of smoke afterward. Nowadays, it's not the smoke but rather if I want to watch the game in crappy SD!

Everywhere I go I see nice flat panel displays, but most times they are showing SD content. It seems when I'm traveling nationally I run into bars/restaurants showing HD content much more often than I do here locally. Is Fort Wayne really behind the times in this arena or am I just not going to the right spots? Let's see if we can all help each other out by posting where we can find HD content when we want to go out for a drink and a game.

The only two places I can think of where I've seen HD are:
Buckets - Their projection screens are HD, I believe there are 5 of them.
Kaysan's 5th Down - They have several projection screens that can show HD, but their sound system is screwed up. I went there for the Purdue/Ohio State football game a couple months ago and when they had the big projection screen on the HD channel you could barely hear the audio. They said that in order to increase the volume they had to switch that screen to the SD channel. Lame.

I was in Indy this past weekend at Champp's Sports Bar and EVERY tv was HD...including a group of tv's that could create one large screen or 9 individual ones. It was nice.

I've been there, and they do have a sweet set-up. Jillian's also has most if not all HD screens as does Rock Bottom Brewery. I wish the RAM Brewery did as well, but they don't (or weren't showing it when I was there last).

What does this tell us about the sorry state of affairs here in Fort Wayne when after a week plus, there have been no additions to the list except for Legends. Possibly.

^^^

Welcome to Fort Wayne. Wait a few minutes, the weather will change... nothing else will.

Martian21

I know it's a high price to pay...but I've heard from a person in the Wizards' front office that Champp's and Cheesecake Factory have inquired about being a part of the Harrison Square project downtown. I would assume they would have the same set-up as in Indy...so we might get some good examples for everyone else to follow.

Please someone tell me what I'm doing wrong.

I have an HR20 and cannot get the guide to give me a selection for 36.1. Based on previous posts, this is what I have been doing:

- Edit off-air channels.
- Remove all channels.
- Select "DONE"
- Reset OTA Channels
- Initial Setup


Thanks,
Mark


So, what am I doing wrong. Neither of my HR20 receivers will recognize 36.1. I always get a selection for 55.1. Is it just that I live 10 miles away and our Fox signal is powered by light bulb?

So, what am I doing wrong. Neither of my HR20 receivers will recognize 36.1. I always get a selection for 55.1. Is it just that I live 10 miles away and our Fox signal is powered by light bulb?

You might try resetting your HR20 receiver via the red button first. Then after rebooting go back and go to Edit Off Air Channels, Remove All, Done. Reset Off Air Channels and go through the process. Also, I used 46825 for the zip code set up. When your up and ready to go, check to make sure all the digital channels are then checked for use in the Edit Off Air Channels function, then it should appear on the guide. Also, I assume that you use to be able to get 55.1 before WFFT changed to the new channel. I live in Leo and get cosistent 70 to 80 signal with a attic antenna. So you should be able to have a decent signal. I did have some inital problems getting 36.1 to take and like I said after I rebotted with the red button I picked up 36.1 the first try. So it should pick the channel up for you. Then hopefully the signal will be good enough to cosistently watch the station. HD on WFFT 36.1 is great. Good Luck and don't give up ithe rescan process will work for you on your HR29 receiver. MMike

I'll second what MMike said. Keep following his steps and it should eventually show up. I kept attempting it for about a week and then it actually showed up after I installed a CE release.

Why is that 55.1 even still out there messing things up?

Why is that 55.1 even still out there messing things up?

I think its a Direct TV thing. They haden't updated there internal data changing 55.1 to 36.1. So a CE release was sometimes required so that the Receiver recognized the new WFFT channel 36.1. Not WFFT's problem as they had sent notification to Direct TV of change.

I think its a Direct TV thing. They haden't updated there internal data changing 55.1 to 36.1. So a CE release was sometimes required so that the Receiver recognized the new WFFT channel 36.1. Not WFFT's problem as they had sent notification to Direct TV of change.

It also took my daughter multiple attempts over a couple weeks on her Dish Network DVR.

Also, I assume that you use to be able to get 55.1 before WFFT changed to the new channel.

I haven't received anything on 55.1 in years. When they first when digital, I could get a picture which was great because 55 was always our worst analog reception. Within weeks, they dropped their power, and I have never been able to get a decent signal since then. I am surprised that you could get 55.1 in Leo. I have tree issues, but all of the other locals come in great. The local Fox is suppose to increase power at some point, right? Aren't they transmitting at a rediculously low level right now?

I haven't received anything on 55.1 in years. When they first when digital, I could get a picture which was great because 55 was always our worst analog reception. Within weeks, they dropped their power, and I have never been able to get a decent signal since then. I am surprised that you could get 55.1 in Leo. I have tree issues, but all of the other locals come in great. The local Fox is suppose to increase power at some point, right? Aren't they transmitting at a rediculously low level right now?

Yes they are brodcasting in low power, but HD content actually takes less power then analog transmission. Where is your antenna located and what kind of antenna are you using. I use a directional antenna and it cost less then $25.00. They are suppose to go full power in early summer. (hopefully) You might try a different antenna or working with your existing antenna. But before you can check signal, you have to download 36.1 on to your HR20 receivers. So I would keep trying to do that, then check your signal strength and go from there. If you can get a signal in the 60's you should be able to pick up reception. MMike

I'll second what MMike said. Keep following his steps and it should eventually show up. I kept attempting it for about a week and then it actually showed up after I installed a CE release.

I noticed the latest CE has fixed the issue. With past software releases, after a reboot of the receiver I would have to go through all the steps to get 36 back. Now it seems to have "stuck".

Does anyone monitor this forum from WPTA? Reason being I would like to receive 21.3 (Viper Radar) with the HR20. The HR20 does not scan OTA channels, instead D* gets the channel list from Tribune (?). Other threads mentioned the broadcaster needs to send guide data to the Tribune and the channels will show up in a couple days. 15.2 just repeats 'Doppler Weather' as the programming while 21.3 shows 'Regular Schedule' on my H20.

I noticed the latest CE has fixed the issue. With past software releases, after a reboot of the receiver I would have to go through all the steps to get 36 back. Now it seems to have "stuck".

How did you get it on the latest CE? I'm still on one from November...

How did you get it on the latest CE? I'm still on one from November...

They had a recent national release not too long ago. CE releases are still coming out about every weekend. Visit the CE forum over at http://dbstalk.com for details.

They had a recent national release not too long ago. CE releases are still coming out about every weekend. Visit the CE forum over at http://dbstalk.com for details.

I feel dumb here. What is a CE? I went to dbstalk. There is a forum named Cutting Edge, but it seems to be closed.

As far as continuing to try to get 36.1 recognized, why would it suddenly work. I've probably ran the setup procedure 10 times. Why would the next time possibly any different?

My setup is a roof-top antenna (8 bow-tie directional) with a channel master antenna mounterd amplifier. It is on a rotor, so I can at least watch Fox out of South Bend if absolutely necessary.

I feel dumb here. What is a CE? I went to dbstalk. There is a forum named Cutting Edge, but it seems to be closed.

As far as continuing to try to get 36.1 recognized, why would it suddenly work. I've probably ran the setup procedure 10 times. Why would the next time possibly any different?

My setup is a roof-top antenna (8 bow-tie directional) with a channel master antenna mounterd amplifier. It is on a rotor, so I can at least watch Fox out of South Bend if absolutely necessary.

Same situation here. I can't get 36-1 to show up. Followed the procedure to the letter.

Removed all Channels.
Reset Off Air
Reboot
Discover Channels (on 46825)

Still shows up with 55-1.

I feel dumb here. What is a CE? I went to dbstalk. There is a forum named Cutting Edge, but it seems to be closed.

As far as continuing to try to get 36.1 recognized, why would it suddenly work. I've probably ran the setup procedure 10 times. Why would the next time possibly any different?

My setup is a roof-top antenna (8 bow-tie directional) with a channel master antenna mounterd amplifier. It is on a rotor, so I can at least watch Fox out of South Bend if absolutely necessary.

You say your picking up the South Bend station via antenna and then downloading into your HR20? If so, woulden't you have to key in a South Bend zip code? For Fort Wayne locals to show up on HR 20 you need to use Fort Wayne area zip codes. I know its frustrating, but it has to work if your doing the right process. If it works for one HR20 in the area, it should work for others. The signal may not be strong enough, but the HR20 should pick up 36.1 during a reboot and rescan if done properly. Again it may take several trys. Also, on the TV side you should be able to pick up 36.1 with your antenna I would think. But you also have to run a digital channel rescan as well on the TV side to pick it up. If you still can't get it after a TV rescan try typing in 36.1 manually on your TV remote. Its got to work because it shows up after rescanning on the TV side everytime. Again, the signal might not be strong but with your antenna it should be. MMike

Same situation here. I can't get 36-1 to show up. Followed the procedure to the letter.

Removed all Channels.
Reset Off Air
Reboot
Discover Channels (on 46825)

Still shows up with 55-1.

Try rebotting the receiver first via the red button, then go through the antenna remove and rescan process. Another process that might work is to go through the reset everything process on the HR20 side. Also, make sure you first go on to the TV side and do a digital channel rescan and make sure you pick up 36.1 on the TV side first, then check the channel and see if you get good enough signal to watch it. If you can, then you for sure should be able to get it set up on the HR 20 side and watch it through your Direct TV recesiver. After you get the rescan done on the TV side and if you can't still get it, try entering manually on your TV remote, if that doesen't work try entering 36.2 or 36.3 on your TV remote. I know its there, so its a matter of getting it set up and then checking to see if the signal is good enough to watch it. I would do a complete rescan on the TV side and see if it doesen't show up. Good Luck! MMike

You say your picking up the South Bend station via antenna and then downloading into your HR20? If so, woulden't you have to key in a South Bend zip code? For Fort Wayne locals to show up on HR 20 you need to use Fort Wayne area zip codes. I know its frustrating, but it has to work if your doing the right process. If it works for one HR20 in the area, it should work for others. The signal may not be strong enough, but the HR20 should pick up 36.1 during a reboot and rescan if done properly. Again it may take several trys. Also, on the TV side you should be able to pick up 36.1 with your antenna I would think. But you also have to run a digital channel rescan as well on the TV side to pick it up. If you still can't get it after a TV rescan try typing in 36.1 manually on your TV remote. Its got to work because it shows up after rescanning on the TV side everytime. Again, the signal might not be strong but with your antenna it should be. MMike

I enter 46825 (for Fort Wayne) as my primary zip code and a South Bend zip code for my secondary zip code. The HR20 then list all of the Fort Wayne and South Bend station (except it gives 55.1 instead of 36.1). Unfortunately, the HR20 won't allow you to enter and go to a station that it hasn't recognized and put into the guide. If I enter 36.1 manually, it gives some sort of invalid channel message. This really annoys me. Let me go to the channel that I want!

I enter 46825 (for Fort Wayne) as my primary zip code and a South Bend zip code for my secondary zip code. The HR20 then list all of the Fort Wayne and South Bend station (except it gives 55.1 instead of 36.1). Unfortunately, the HR20 won't allow you to enter and go to a station that it hasn't recognized and put into the guide. If I enter 36.1 manually, it gives some sort of invalid channel message. This really annoys me. Let me go to the channel that I want!

Let me ask you this; did you go to your TV side and do a rescan of your channels? If so, on your TV side you should pick up bot 55 Wfft analoge and WFFT 36.1 digital. Once you have done the rescan, check and see if you can watch 36.1 on the TV side. You should be able to pick up 36.1 with the antenna you are using which is also capable of picking up the South Bend Fox station. If you can get 36.1 on the TV side with your antenna, then you should also be able to download it and watch it on your Direct TV HR20. Let me know if you can get 36.1 on the TV side after you do a TV rescan for local channels. If you can, then we can work to get your HR20 set up to pick up 36.1 also. MMike

Hello all---I am new to the forum. I am a huge sports fan and love watching sports (especially baseball) in HD. That being said, I have been trying to get Comcast here in Fort Wayne to add Comcast Sportsnet Chicago in HD (channel 31 in standard def) to our channel lineup, but have had no luck. I have tried contacting them by phone and e-mail----does anyone else have any ideas or similar experiences. Thanks for your replies

Why do I think there is more to this 36-55 deal than we're finding out here? Excuse me if after years of this station sucking hind tit I don't believe they've all of a sudden become totally competent and this isn't somehow their problem.

Why do I think there is more to this 36-55 deal than we're finding out here? Excuse me if after years of this station sucking hind tit I don't believe they've all of a sudden become totally competent and this isn't somehow their problem.

Hey John, I can appreciate the frustration with Fox 55 over the years, but I do know that the local folks have tried hard to make improvements they know need to be done to update there station to today's standards. Nextel has a lot of mdeium size markets for Fox stations to update to digital and HD capability in the US and it cost money. So Fort Wayne Fox has had there hands tied to some extent to get things done. There recent conversion to HD is a big step in the right direction and hopefully this summer Nextel will give them authorization and funds to make improvements to go full power. As far as the 55 - 33.6 problems were experinging; in my opinion, its a case of a lot of different things that all have to be worked out with, Direct TV, Comcast, FIOS and Fox as far as remapping and PSIP issues etc. Also, people like you and I have a learning curve to go through sometimes to get everything to work properly with each other. But I do know that if you keep trying and learn as you go that Fox 36.1 will download onto your TV as a new digital station and on the HR20 once as well. Yes there will still be some technical issues but for the most part we just have to keep trying until we get it all set up. The main issue now is the signal is still in low power, so a lot of folks like youself just can pick up a dependable day in and day out signal. But for me the once I got things downloaded and set up right, going throuhg the learning curve, communicating with Fox and Direct TV in the process, the signal and HD content has been just great! Better then 15, 21 or 33. So hopefully things will get better in the future, espically when Fox gets the go ahead for full power. I know they want to make it availabe as soon as possible to everyone in our area. Good Luck MMike

I'm confused by all this talk about downloading channel 36-1 to the DirecTV HR20. I'm watching FOX in HD on 55-1 on my HR20...

In other news.... I went to Chevvy's Sports Bar and they have tons of nice 16:9 flat panel televisions but not one of them was showing HD content. What a waste. Maybe we should be making a list of all the places in town that don't have HD. At least we'd have a list of some sort!

For some of you who are getting locked on the 36.1 how far out are you? I am located in North West Ohio no more then 30 miles from any of the towers. I have small indoor antenna that I can pull in 15.1, 15.2, 21.1, 21.2, 21.3, 33.1, 33.2, and 33.3. I get no less then a 75 signal and the majority of them run anywhere from 80 to 90. I was thinking about putting up an outdoor antenna to see if I could pull in fox before the 500 but was not sure if I would be wasting my time or not. Thanks for any help.

Plow

Let me ask you this; did you go to your TV side and do a rescan of your channels? If so, on your TV side you should pick up bot 55 Wfft analoge and WFFT 36.1 digital. Once you have done the rescan, check and see if you can watch 36.1 on the TV side. You should be able to pick up 36.1 with the antenna you are using which is also capable of picking up the South Bend Fox station. If you can get 36.1 on the TV side with your antenna, then you should also be able to download it and watch it on your Direct TV HR20. Let me know if you can get 36.1 on the TV side after you do a TV rescan for local channels. If you can, then we can work to get your HR20 set up to pick up 36.1 also. MMike

I have two HR20 recievers. One is connected to a HD set that does not have a built in tuner. The other one is connected to a wall mounted flat panel. I may get curious and see if I can hook up an antenna easily just for a test. I need to get the signal through the HR20 however, because that is the DVR. You can't watch TV live! :)

For some of you who are getting locked on the 36.1 how far out are you? I am located in North West Ohio no more then 30 miles from any of the towers. I have small indoor antenna that I can pull in 15.1, 15.2, 21.1, 21.2, 21.3, 33.1, 33.2, and 33.3. I get no less then a 75 signal and the majority of them run anywhere from 80 to 90. I was thinking about putting up an outdoor antenna to see if I could pull in fox before the 500 but was not sure if I would be wasting my time or not. Thanks for any help.

Plow

I'm getting it in Huntington (25 miles SW) but I believe the signal is stronger in this direction than yours.

MMIke-I've been fine here since a few days after putting up an outdoor antenna and through my Dish VIP 211. I was just advocating for those folks that are having trouble.

For some of you who are getting locked on the 36.1 how far out are you? I am located in North West Ohio no more then 30 miles from any of the towers. I have small indoor antenna that I can pull in 15.1, 15.2, 21.1, 21.2, 21.3, 33.1, 33.2, and 33.3. I get no less then a 75 signal and the majority of them run anywhere from 80 to 90. I was thinking about putting up an outdoor antenna to see if I could pull in fox before the 500 but was not sure if I would be wasting my time or not. Thanks for any help.

Plow

Hey Plow, you know that is a tough one, I am sure you could get 36.1 if you put up a good enough antenna, but considerin the cost and everything it may make sense to wait it out until they go full power. However, you could try a cheaper directional antenna in your attic or on the roof, and see if it works. If it does, your could keep; it if it doesen't take it back for a refund. I know Radio Shack, Lowes, Menards etc. has thirty day return policy. Thats the rout I took and it worked out good for me. I am also using a Radio Shack 1-4 Bi-Directional Cable-TV Amplifier (15-2506) to boost my signal a bit since I am feeding three TV's with my cables. Good Luck. MMike

Thanks MMike, I do not think I will be able to get it after looking at this one website and putting in my Longitude, Latitude, and Magnetic Declination it appears that based on the diagrams that they have I would be out of range for 36.1....It would be nice if they would boost the power a little bit in the month of February so that more folks would be able to get the Super Bowl and Daytona 500 in HD. People over my way are more then upset that they are unable to get this channel. None of our cable providers carry it or satellite providers have it. We have comcast out of Fort Wayne in our town but it is the most basic of basic cable.

I may still give it a try and see what happens. If anything I will bring in my other channels that much better

For some of you who are getting locked on the 36.1 how far out are you? I am located in North West Ohio no more then 30 miles from any of the towers. I have small indoor antenna that I can pull in 15.1, 15.2, 21.1, 21.2, 21.3, 33.1, 33.2, and 33.3. I get no less then a 75 signal and the majority of them run anywhere from 80 to 90. I was thinking about putting up an outdoor antenna to see if I could pull in fox before the 500 but was not sure if I would be wasting my time or not. Thanks for any help.

Plow
Sounds like I might not be too far from you, I'm just west of Hicksville, in Indiana though, and have a DB4 antenna in my attic. I pick up 21 and 33 at 100% and 15 and 39 usually around 90+%, but can't get anything from Fox. Don't know if that helps your decision any or not...

Based on the diagram that I said it looked like the signal is very strong to the South West. This verifies what John W said something in an earlier post Here is a link to the site that I am using. I found this at Cruthfield's website it has a little bit more info then Antennaweb which is a very good site.
I will link the website after I have posted 3 times
I'm about 45 minutes south of Hicksville

HD in Area Bars/Restaurants

I have one to add to the list that just opened recently. Duty's Uptown in Dupont Village (behind Casa's) is showing HD.

Cool, thanks for the tip. I was up in that area recently and saw that place, thought about stopping in to check it out but didn't. Maybe I'll have to go now.

Hello all---I am new to the forum. I am a huge sports fan and love watching sports (especially baseball) in HD. That being said, I have been trying to get Comcast here in Fort Wayne to add Comcast Sportsnet Chicago in HD (channel 31 in standard def) to our channel lineup, but have had no luck. I have tried contacting them by phone and e-mail----does anyone else have any ideas or similar experiences. Thanks for your replies

Today, I talked to a Comcast operator on the phone who told me that Comcast Sportsnet Chicago HD was planned to be added to the Comcast channel lineup sometime around the middle of the year---the funny thing is that I have talked to many Comcast operators over the past 2 weeks, and this is the only guy that knew anything about the channel being added. Strange stuff

HD in Area Bars/Restaurants

I have one to add to the list that just opened recently. Duty's Uptown in Dupont Village (behind Casa's) is showing HD.

Pine Valley Bar and Grill also has HD.

Today, I talked to a Comcast operator on the phone who told me that Comcast Sportsnet Chicago HD was planned to be added to the Comcast channel lineup sometime around the middle of the year---the funny thing is that I have talked to many Comcast operators over the past 2 weeks, and this is the only guy that knew anything about the channel being added. Strange stuff

I'm hoping it also gets added on Verizon....since a lot of other Verizon areas have RSNs in HD it should happen for us, also.