West of Ashley, I lost all of 33 OTA channels better than a week ago & haven't seen anything of it since. In the "good ole days" at least I could watch a snowy picture when the station had to go to low power.

50 years ago our TV AND phone always worked great. Today I have to stand outside in the yard to use my cell phone which is ok because the TV stations not working anyway. I can't wait for more new technology to come along and make tomorrows life even better!!

15 is still gone....almost a week. 21 and 33 have been fine. Anybody else having issues with WANT-TV? I've always had 15...since I threw up an antenna...father-in-law is having issues and he's closer to Fort Wayne than me.

15 is still gone....almost a week. 21 and 33 have been fine. Anybody else having issues with WANT-TV? I've always had 15...since I threw up an antenna...father-in-law is having issues and he's closer to Fort Wayne than me.

They had an equipment failure and are not at full power while waiting on parts.

They had an equipment failure and are not at full power while waiting on parts.

John is correct.

We continue to work on the situation and hope to have it resolved as soon as possible.

In the "good ole days" at least I could watch a snowy picture when the station had to go to low power.

50 years ago our TV AND phone always worked great. Today I have to stand outside in the yard to use my cell phone which is ok because the TV stations not working anyway. I can't wait for more new technology to come along and make tomorrows life even better!!

I'm all in favor of "progress," but you make a good point. Living around here and trying to watch local TV can be extremely frustrating. For me in Angola, I think getting my stations from South Bend is still the better option. I still wish I could get some kind of waiver and get some big city TV that's always on, always has good sound, is in HD when it's supposed to be in HD, etc.

In fairness, I must say that WANE-TV is usually just fine, I just don't know what's up with the hollow sounding stereo during CBS programming (I get that on all of my tv's). I seem to notice that more during Letterman and football games. Other than that, WANE is great.

Right on...thanks John W and jckrac for the response. I'll pass it along to my father-in-law.

Just an update for those with problems with WANE OTA:

We have a small army working on this problem 24X7. Its beena game of the further we dig, the more we find wrong. Thankfully, the area in question doesn't have many more parts for us to weed out.

Just an update for those with problems with WANE OTA:

We have a small army working on this problem 24X7. Its beena game of the further we dig, the more we find wrong. Thankfully, the area in question doesn't have many more parts for us to weed out.

How is the army doing?

How is the army doing?

Transmitter was brought back to full power yesterday afternoon. We're back at our regular ERP.

We let it sit all night in this set up to make sure all the parts played nice. We'll be running it through a correction routine yet today. If all goes well, we'll be back to pre-failure conditions.

One of the big plus items for HDTV is the capability to get listings, not only of what is playing now, but into the future as far as possible.

While the listing available on the TV itself is obvious, what may not be obvious to many (including the broadcasting stations) is the recording of TV shows.

I have had a MythTV based DVR system for perhaps 3 years. It runs on Linux and I use the Mythdora prepackaged install, currently v10. I used to get TV listings over the internet, but even better now is the listing in the OTA broadcast itself. My MythTV system will download the information, and based on the NAME of the show record it when it shows up in the listing.

Even if I am only interested in one occurrence of a show (a special of some kind, or a movie), the listings grid is very helpful. A couple of clicks and the recording is set.

IF there is no listing on a broadcast, it does not record unless I do a manual recording. That is not desirable because it is unreliable when the programs are shifted. If the listings are accurate AND are provided with plenty of lead time, I don't have to know when a show will be on. And I am not recording a show titled "House" that turns out to be "Haiti relief fund" or whatever.

Of the stations in Ft. Wayne (CBS, ABC, NBC, Fox), WANE does the best, with a listing that goes some 36 hours or more into the future. Fox has done the worst but is doing somewhat better now. Still, Fox does not go far enough into the future to reach 24 hours, and sometimes far less. ABC and NBC are somewhere in between.

Because I am located in Marion, IN, I know that the availability of listings differs depending on station. Since I can sometimes get broadcasts and listings from Indianapolis, I know that Fox 59 from Indy has listings when Fox 55 from Ft Wayne has little or none. The same can go for other channels. Usually the stations from Indy are too weak to be watchable though.

It is important to:
* Provide listings with as much advance as possible
* Keep them accurate. If something changes, update it. If an update occurs before a show starts, it should be caught and adjusted for by MythTv.
* The show description is important. It helps me know if I am interested, and it may help MythTv determine if it is a re-run show.
* If there is a field(s) that shows a programs re-run, original air date, etc are all useful item. Provide as much information as exists.
* For instance, in NFL football, put the Teams Playing in the appropriate fields. That way if the Teams I am interested in are the Colts (and whatever else) I can record them even if I am away for the weekend. Same works for any other programs I am interested in.

Thanks

As far as I know, the FCC only requires 12 hours of guide listings.

- Trip

Tippecanoe,

I also use MythTV only I don't rely on the over the air listings data. You seriously need to look into Schedules Direct ( http://www.schedulesdirect.org/ ). You get two full weeks of accurate listings data for only $20 a year.

If Mythdora doesn't support Schedules Direct then you should look into LinHES or Mythbuntu.

Martian

Martion 21 said:
Tippecanoe,

I also use MythTV only I don't rely on the over the air listings data. You seriously need to look into Schedules Direct. You get two full weeks of accurate listings data for only $20 a year.

If Mythdora doesn't support Schedules Direct then you should look into LinHES or Mythbuntu.

Martian
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I know about schedulesdirect. However, I am on dialup, and not super reliable dialup at that. I am in a rural location, and cable / DSL is a mile or so away. But it might as well be 50 miles. It will be years before broadband with a reasonable price and method will come here. None of the neighbors are happy about it either, and we have all prodded to get something, but no dice. We are also mostly surrounded by thick woods, negating the wireless broadband that some around here can get. What options that are available for on all the time broadband are just too expensive to make sense.

So, OTA listings IS the best thing going for me, and it does work pretty well. Provided they are updated. I was just emphasizing that fact to the TV station owners that might happen to be listening. A day or more of advance would generally do nicely, except for a manual recording of some show farther away than that done off the listings grid.

And a station that is not at least an hour or two up to date is not helpful at all. Things are better now, but that was the rule a year ago and less.

As for my distance (HDTV) to Ft. Wayne, it is about 50 miles, and I'm generally getting reception just fine barring weird weather like we had a week ago.
I also can sometimes get HTDV reception from Indianapolis somewhat intermittently.

If you know where "Nowhere" is, then I'm in the middle of it apparently. Some are worse off than me though.

As far as I know, the FCC only requires 12 hours of guide listings.

- Trip
I did not know the FCC only required 12 hrs of listings. That is interesting since few (if any) were doing that a year ago. A Fox 55 has not done well there.

However, forget the requirements, and look for competition. As with anything if life, better service gets more business. WANE 15 has them all beat here at this point.

Apparently one of the Fort Wayne station had some transmitter problems, was that a week ago? Well, the weather was apparently a big factor on Jan 17, with all the FW stations.

I generally could not reliable get any of them in as far as I could remember. I was especially wanting to watch the season opener of "24". I got snippets.

My MythTV recorders can be accessed via HDHomeRun Config on my laptop, and some other methods.

I found that the signal levels were all over the park, and very unsteady.

I also found that I could get these stations, also unreliably.
wotv, wtiu, wtvs, wfxw, wdcq, wclj
They are from places like, Bloomington IN, Terre Haute IN, Saginaw Mi, Grand Rapids MI, and Detroit MI. There may have been a few more.
I even have a screen capture from a MythTV recording on the Detroit station. It was recording ch 21 WPTA and lost the signal mid-recording to pickup MyTV20 from Detroit for awhile.
In case you don't have a feeling about how far that is, it is a drive of 237 mi 3 hours 48 mins according to Google maps.

I love the quality of HDTV. Just great. And I loved how SDTV would always come in. I have seen this type of anomaly before in the past year. It is really weird to have local reception destroyed and get stations from far far away.

That probably could be regarded as not important *unless* you need weather and news information during bad storm situations. And of course, that would be during weird weather.....

I'm guessing there is no good solution. Upping xmitter power would probably exacerbate the problem.

Even with dial-up I would think you could set it up to automatically dial at like 3am and get the listings. I only connect once a day and almost never have bad data. The Schedules Direct data isn't all the much information and would easily work over dial-up. The only difficulty would be setting it up to auto-dial but I know it can be done.

Perhaps I'm spoiled but I couldn't stand only having 12 hours of guide info...

Martian

Even with dial-up I would think you could set it up to automatically dial at like 3am and get the listings. I only connect once a day and almost never have bad data. The Schedules Direct data isn't all the much information and would easily work over dial-up. The only difficulty would be setting it up to auto-dial but I know it can be done.

Perhaps I'm spoiled but I couldn't stand only having 12 hours of guide info...

Martian
I guess you are spoiled.
I used to connect with the pre-schedules direct (zap2it), and did do an automatic download of email and update of the schedule with an early AM cron job.

So yes, it can be done and I know how to do it.

However, as I said, the dial-up is unreliable. A year or so my ISP dropped my previously reliable connect number, and is using some others. And you just never know when it will work and not. If not, you have to call them to have it reset. Just a real pain, and I have been researching alternatives.

And two weeks of schedule data would be great. Agreed.

A question on schedules direct: If the program schedule changes due to a pre-emption (NFL game, etc) does SD update right away?

As far as I know, the FCC only requires 12 hours of guide listings.
Whatever length is required, actual programming content need not be reflected.
It can say "digital program" every half hour as long as the fields are populated.

Hey all, I'm new to the forum, and I need some help. My parents live right near Hilgers farm market and are having a devil of a time with their signal, especially 33. It drops signal like nobody's business. My dad knows nothing about the new digital switchover, other than he had to "buy a damn box" and "at least I used to be able to watch TV before I needed the damn box." Dad leans on me pretty hard on all his techy stuff.

He needs a good indoor antenna and a general direction to point it in. He's dead set against a outdoor antenna due to the wind and lightening problems they deal with, which have already cost them several pieces of yard furniture, a computer, and an audio receiver. I don't know much about terrestrial signals as I've been a satellite user since I started paying my own bills, so any advice would be much appreciated.

I guess you are spoiled.
I used to connect with the pre-schedules direct (zap2it), and did do an automatic download of email and update of the schedule with an early AM cron job.

So yes, it can be done and I know how to do it.

However, as I said, the dial-up is unreliable. A year or so my ISP dropped my previously reliable connect number, and is using some others. And you just never know when it will work and not. If not, you have to call them to have it reset. Just a real pain, and I have been researching alternatives.

And two weeks of schedule data would be great. Agreed.

A question on schedules direct: If the program schedule changes due to a pre-emption (NFL game, etc) does SD update right away?

I also have MythTV with SD. 14 days of guide is great. I don't know how long it takes to update listings, but last Friday when most channels had the Haiti fundraiser, the guide changed in time and my recordings were canceled. You would be better off if you only updated the guide once a week or so.

Hey all, I'm new to the forum, and I need some help. My parents live right near Hilgers farm market and are having a devil of a time with their signal, especially 33. It drops signal like nobody's business. My dad knows nothing about the new digital switchover, other than he had to "buy a damn box" and "at least I used to be able to watch TV before I needed the damn box." Dad leans on me pretty hard on all his techy stuff.

He needs a good indoor antenna and a general direction to point it in. He's dead set against a outdoor antenna due to the wind and lightening problems they deal with, which have already cost them several pieces of yard furniture, a computer, and an audio receiver. I don't know much about terrestrial signals as I've been a satellite user since I started paying my own bills, so any advice would be much appreciated.

Their are a couple things you can do, one is go to http://www.antennaweb.org/aw/Stations.aspx and select input by zip code and enter 46704 for the Arcola zip and then when the map comes up just move the map to your actual location and this will give you the direction and type of antenna you will need.

Another one is to use the search function on the top of this page and then search for "antenna" and you will find what allot of people here are using.

Wingard recommends for your area to use SS-3000 indoor antenna. To see this antenna go to: http://www.winegard.com/kbase/upload/2452064.pdf

One other thought is you might want to watch what antenna you are using since you are really close to stations antenna's. You might be getting too strong of a signal.

Also note: Please be aware that attic installations will reduce signal by 50% and roofing made of cement tile, clay tiles or metal will reduce signal by 90%.

My mom was the same about the digital changeover, until she found out that she can get about twice the channels as analog and plus she isn't stuck watching sports all the time, she can watch CW and a bunch of others.

One thing funny was I pulled up Hilgers on Google earth and they have "HILGERSFARMS.COM" written in the field across the street. I thought that was pretty clever.

Hope this helps to get you started in the right direction?

diehard

Awesome info, thanks for the help!

I did use the search, unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you look at it) the amount of info on this forum is so prolific, I had a hard time cutting thru it all.

Is there anything going on at WANE TV? Are they running at full capacity?

jckrac,
Any info on when you may have the 1-frame ahead bar across the top of the screen resolved. It's a bit annoying as on my set, all other channels I use 1:1 map, but I have to switch to the 16:9 overscan mode to hide the flaw across the top.

Is there anything going on at WANE TV? Are they running at full capacity?

They had to send something out for repair that seems to impact reception in certain areas.

It seems to be fine now. My son was watching Survivor and the signal strength was going up and down, then it just went out. 80%-86% now so it must be alright. If my wife and I can't get the Superbowl....we are gonna be... well, you know!

So is WANE going to drop the weather subchannel during the Super Bowl? It would be nice if they would allocate as much bandwidth as possible to the game. In the programing thread everyone says how great CBS looks in other markets without subchannels. I would like to be able to watch the game without all the macroblocking.

Something obviously just went wrong at the INC facility for 21 & 33.

Something obviously just went wrong at the INC facility for 21 & 33.
We lost a shared encoder frame. It has been repaired.

We lost a shared encoder frame. It has been repaired.

Quickly too. Good job!

I've gotta say, the INC school delay bar is really annoying, especially since it squishes the picture.

Lost was hard to watch because of it.

Hard to understand why that has to be on the screen. Isn't that what the internet was invented for?

Every local station but Fox has at least one subchannel. I don't see why the weather and school information can't be put on the subs and the main channel left clean. As for the argument about the cable operators not picking up all the subs... that is their problem, and they need to figure out how to provide that information though other means if they aren't going to carry the subs.

Martian

Speaking of subbies....

We had a bit of a problem with the radar yesterday, and we loaded up a clone. Said clone had the old algae green base maps on it and we took an avalanche of calls yesterday.

We've switched back to the lighter look you all are used to seeing.

jckrac,
Any info on when you may have the 1-frame ahead bar across the top of the screen resolved. It's a bit annoying as on my set, all other channels I use 1:1 map, but I have to switch to the 16:9 overscan mode to hide the flaw across the top.

Actually, thanks for reminding me about that. One of those things we plain forgot about. We'll look into it.

Actually, thanks for reminding me about that. One of those things we plain forgot about. We'll look into it.

Just got around to watching NCIS from Tuesday. When you have the school bar on-screen, the 1-frame behind occurs on the top, left, and bottom of the screen as well. Keep in mind I have no clue on this, but it's almost as if a device (perhaps the school bar generator) that does processing on the signal has a marquee selection tool that was used to select the area to process and the full area wasn't selected.

I have had a MythTV based DVR system for perhaps 3 years.

Has anyone else noticed program guide errors using OTA/cable/sat/fios? I've been noticing some differences between the program listings I get through schedules direct for my MythTV box versus what is listed on my Comcast box. Last night I noticed that WFWA showed some other show in place of the usual This Old House episode so I checked to see when they would air TOH later. My Comcast box showed an episode at 1:00 am however my myth box didn't. I set a manual record for 1 so I'll have to see what actually recorded during that time slot. I've noticed this a few times in the past couple months where I'll record a show from one of the WFWA subs and the show will be correct but the episode description is incorrect. I'm recording the local HD channels OTA but using schedules direct for the program guide data.

Hey Cameraready,

I have also experienced this with my MythTV / Schedules Direct setup. It appeared to be pretty much specific to WFWA subs as you are seeing.

A little over a year ago the SD listings were flat out wrong and I would get lots of incorrect recordings off WFWA. I worked with SD for a few weeks and haven't had any incorrect recordings (ie. wrong show) since. I guess I don't normally pay attention to the program descriptions although I do seem to recall seeing some that were incorrect a while back but didn't think much of it (probably because it was cartoons for my son).

Martian21

Perhaps closings could be put on 21.3 instead of the main HD network feeds. Anyway, it's 2010 and if people really want that info, they can get it online. It's not like wx warnings that are a matter of public safety.

Perhaps closings could be put on 21.3 instead of the main HD network feeds. Anyway, it's 2010 and if people really want that info, they can get it online. It's not like wx warnings that are a matter of public safety.
I agree that they can be annoying but keep in mind that most cable and satellite carriers do not carry any of the sub channels. I think only Fios and Comcast in Fort Wayne carry all subs but 21.3 providing you don't have basic cable only.

The school closings could easily move elsewhere. Trust me, kids will find out if their school is delayed/closed. Full weather info could easily move to another channel, but warnings that alert people that they are in eminent danger sitting in their home while watching TV should be kept. Things like winter storm watch can be moved because you'll find out soon enough when you go out if it is snowing. Tornado warnings and possibly flood warnings should stay with text like "Tornado warning info on 21.3".

But no matter how much we complain here, I doubt it's going to change anything. We had this discussion a while back and the tech guys that monitor this forum can't change anything. I mentioned the NCIS episode a couple posts back that had the school info. After about 3min in, I checked online, and the full episode was up on cbs.com, so I just plumbed my laptop into my TV and finished watching it there. Lower res for sure, but no school/weather info.

Has anyone else noticed program guide errors using OTA/cable/sat/fios? I've been noticing some differences between the program listings I get through schedules direct for my MythTV box versus what is listed on my Comcast box. Last night I noticed that WFWA showed some other show in place of the usual This Old House episode so I checked to see when they would air TOH later. My Comcast box showed an episode at 1:00 am however my myth box didn't. I set a manual record for 1 so I'll have to see what actually recorded during that time slot. I've noticed this a few times in the past couple months where I'll record a show from one of the WFWA subs and the show will be correct but the episode description is incorrect. I'm recording the local HD channels OTA but using schedules direct for the program guide data.

Well I have certainly noticed it. Some are correct, and others are just wacky. What I have not done is try to figure out where the error is coming from. It is from the station feed? Or something MythTV is getting wrong?

A sample:
Mclaughlin Group Sat Feb 13, 2010 (07:29 AM) 39_1 - WFWA-D1
Sid wakes up and discovers that his ice pops melted! This sticky situation leads him to ask," Why do things have to melt?" After investigating at school, Sid learns that if liquids don't stay in a really cold place, they slowly melt over time. He also dis

Full weather info could easily move to another channel, but warnings that alert people that they are in eminent danger sitting in their home while watching TV should be kept.

The FCC does not like weather warnings being on sub channels and not the main. Since they are not required I suppose they could be dropped altogether, but the idea of putting a "tune to .3" bug on the main channel and more information elsewhere is a non-starter.

Don't forget that most people get their TV via cable or satellite and not via OTA. They don't have the ".3" option. On cable a local weather channel may be buried in the line up somewhere but the warnings need to be where people are watching. On the local channels people rely on.

School closings I could do without - but I have no children in school and if I did there are other ways of getting closings. On TV I can't keep up with the scroll anyways.

Hey Cameraready,

I have also experienced this with my MythTV / Schedules Direct setup. It appeared to be pretty much specific to WFWA subs as you are seeing.

Martian21

Turns out Schedules direct was correct in it's listings for Thursday night/Friday morning. My guess is that WFWA changed their programming and Comcast didn't pick up the change in their guide data. That makes me feel better about the $20/year it costs for SD.

Well, I check the list of what to watch tonight, and the first thing to check was MythTV listings.

And for channel 55 WFFT, nothing listed. I made double sure by refreshing, and still nothing.

Then I powered up the TV, and checked OTA listings there, and nothing there either.

So what was it about a requirement to have the listing up for 12 hours or more?

<sigh> I have to record Human Target for the wife who is visiting, and I guess I'll have to do a manual record like it or not. If there was a listing MythTV would pick it automatically.

Curiously, Fox 59 WXIN Indianapolis, also shows no schedule this evening *until* 9 PM (Idol) and later. But not before. I do not record this channel as it is often too weak, but like having the listing show if it will. And actually it is pretty strong this evening.

So com-on WFFT, keep the listings updated. I need them. Thanks.

Engjas,
Why is the news on 21.1, 21.3, and 33.3 16:9, but 33.1 4:3 with a 16:9 ticker? I've only been watching 33 because of the Olympics, and 4:3 news is annoying when I know you have the capability for 16:9.

So far the FM 105.1 tower in rural New Haven area will be used for low power dt television broadcasting. Fm 105.1 is moving their transmission location to another location. Not sure what is going to take place as far as channel assignments. I think rotors may make a comeback. Oh! Wait, a new antenna that may solve this issue. Check out the digi-wave ant-7288. This should be a fun one to aim!

The time change (DST) seems to be too much for the various stations.

Fox WFFT 55 has had NO program data since 8 PM yesterday ( Mon 3.15.10 ).

On yesterday, WKJG 33_1 was off one hour in the program data. It said Chuck was on at 7 PM, rather than 8 PM. The other channels were OK, even 55, but it has shown not scheduling after House at 8 PM Monday.

And today, I have all the channels off by one hour in the program data on my MytTV server/recorder, but the TV appears to have the correct scheduling. I'm guessing someone caught the error and fixed it. That did not update my MythTV however.

Oh how I wish I had broadband........

Come on broadcasters....get it right!!!!

Hey now, it took us 40 years to get around to changing our clocks at the end of March, and you want us to get used to changing them in the middle of march in just a year? You think there is some device that will change our clocks automatically? Crazy times.

Hey now, it took us 40 years to get around to changing our clocks at the end of March, and you want us to get used to changing them in the middle of march in just a year? You think there is some device that will change our clocks automatically? Crazy times.

You have no idea how close you are to the truth! On our PSIP computer, we have to manually go in there and hit a button for DST. Nothing automatic about it. Crazy that in 2010 we have to intervene like that...

I'm thinking of dumping Directv and just relying on OTA for my entertainment needs. However I don't want to sacrifice the dvr. I've become much too attached to it. So, I'm interested in finding out what my dvr options are for OTA without subscription fees. I'm considering the Dish DTVPal DVR. Does anyone have an opinion on this box or another alternative?

I personally use MythTV via LinHES - http://www.mysettopbox.tv/knoppmyth.html on my media PC.

For best results it requires a TV listing subscription from http://www.schedulesdirect.org/ but it's only $20/year which it hardly wallet breaking.

Of course you do need to build / buy a media PC which can be rather pricey.

Martian

I'm thinking of dumping Directv and just relying on OTA for my entertainment needs. However I don't want to sacrifice the dvr. I've become much too attached to it. So, I'm interested in finding out what my dvr options are for OTA without subscription fees. I'm considering the Dish DTVPal DVR. Does anyone have an opinion on this box or another alternative?

I use a Magnavox DVR/ DVD recorder that I picked up at Walmart. It doesn't have an onscreen guide with all the channel listings, you set it up to record when you want it to just like an old VCR. It has a digital tuner in it also. I've been very happy with it.

I like the idea of the Dish DTVPal DVR because it has the guide and the $300 price tag makes it tempting. But the more I read about it the more nervous I am. It seems to be very buggy for some. What is everyone's opinion on the tvguide schedule info provided OTA?

Thanks for the help....

I'm thinking of dumping Directv and just relying on OTA for my entertainment needs. However I don't want to sacrifice the dvr. I've become much too attached to it. So, I'm interested in finding out what my dvr options are for OTA without subscription fees. I'm considering the Dish DTVPal DVR. Does anyone have an opinion on this box or another alternative?

I have a TivoHD and it works really well. There is a monthly fee, or large lifetime fee.

With so many alternatives, I couldn't see paying a monthly fee to TiVo. My media center pc that's connected to my 55" flat screen does the job just fine.

I'm thinking of dumping Directv and just relying on OTA for my entertainment needs. However I don't want to sacrifice the dvr. I've become much too attached to it. So, I'm interested in finding out what my dvr options are for OTA without subscription fees. I'm considering the Dish DTVPal DVR. Does anyone have an opinion on this box or another alternative?

If you are not afraid to build a PC or if you have a handy friend, I can heartily recommend building a HTPC and running Windows 7 which has an excellent interface, free guide, and near flawless HDTV recording from antenna (assuming you get decent signals at your location)
I built one for a friend for under $400 and it is hooked up to his HDTV which also allows for accessing the Web and all your mp3's from the couch.
Send me a private message if you need more details or have any questions.

I'm thinking of dumping Directv and just relying on OTA for my entertainment needs. However I don't want to sacrifice the dvr. I've become much too attached to it. So, I'm interested in finding out what my dvr options are for OTA without subscription fees. I'm considering the Dish DTVPal DVR. Does anyone have an opinion on this box or another alternative?

As some others have said, I'm using MythTV. That is an application suite than runs on Linux. However, I'm using MythDora, which is Linux (Fedora) and MythTV plus other niceties, all bundled into one install. I've been running it since 2007, when it was Std Def, and I had two tuners. Than ran on an old 600 mhz pc with maybe 512 mb ram. And another PC (actually 2 others) were used for playback over the network.

That PC's hard drive died, and was too slow for HDTV, so I started over with a PC given to me, minus hard drive. I put a new HD in it, probably 250 GB, and bought two Homerun tuners (HD), each dual. That means I can record 4 channels at the same time. The freebie pc is just barely fast enough for all that recording going on. :-) I may find another freebie PC that is faster.

Software cost? Free. Hardware? $50 for the hard drive, about $280 for the two dual tuners. PC was free. Versatility? Amazing. You can playback on another MythTV (MythDora etc) machine, OR Windows. You can schedule, delete, etc from MythTV or the Web based interface, and download the show to any machine (as opposed to streaming) and play it or copy it.

Great stuff.

The 6 kW signal from W26DH-D (RF ch. 26), Auburn, IN, does tend to get out when there is some tropo enhancement in the area. It decoded (somewhat) Tuesday morning just after 7 a.m. and then again last night after 10 p.m. I'm on the north side of Indy and 111 miles from the Auburn tower site. I've attached a screenshot from Tue. morning.

Having some issues lately with 21's digital signal. Anyone else?

Anyone know when PBS D.T. 40 is going to increase to a measly 153,000 watts erp? And when will they broadcast in high definition? Currently viewing WBGU D.T. 27 in Fort Wayne because 27-1 is in high def. What a wonderful difference H.D. makes.

Anyone know when PBS D.T. 40 is going to increase to a measly 153,000 watts erp? And when will they broadcast in high definition? Currently viewing WBGU D.T. 27 in Fort Wayne because 27-1 is in high def. What a wonderful difference H.D. makes.

Recommend you contact them directly about HD. Their stance on it is a joke and my last correspondence with them was when they said they "sometimes" broadcast special shows in HD and I asked them to list what and when for me and our email exchange ended.

What would it take for 15 and 21 to jigger things around so we don't join each one's overnight news program five minutes in?

Recommend you contact them directly about HD. Their stance on it is a joke and my last correspondence with them was when they said they "sometimes" broadcast special shows in HD and I asked them to list what and when for me and our email exchange ended.

Watch a few PBS39-1 and -4 program breaks. Youl'l probably see a promo for pledging for an iPad to help support financial needs to broadcast again in high-def sometime soon.

It's about time they do this again, but I wonder what will happen to their subchannels? Split kids/createTV? or completely get rid of one? ??:confused:

Anyone know if WFFT is having any power issues today? Lots of breakups today. Was fine last night. Could be atmospheric, I suppose. All other FW channels look good here though.

Is any one haveing problems with WANE TV Channel 15? Are they currently at full power? Have been noticing pixelation problems when recording on Direct TV DVR. It doesen't seem to be there when watching regular live programming on Direct TV. I currently download my locals through Direct TV HR20 DVR. Comments would be appreciated. Thanks, MMike

Is any one haveing problems with WANE TV Channel 15? Are they currently at full power? Have been noticing pixelation problems when recording on Direct TV DVR. It doesen't seem to be there when watching regular live programming on Direct TV. I currently download my locals through Direct TV HR20 DVR. Comments would be appreciated. Thanks, MMike

WANE feeds DIRECTV direct basband pre-transmitter (DirecTv's local receive plant is inside WANE's building.) The transmitter could croak completely and Direct customers wouldn't know it. Sounds like a problem with your DVR.

Watch a few PBS39-1 and -4 program breaks. Youl'l probably see a promo for pledging for an iPad to help support financial needs to broadcast again in high-def sometime soon.

It's about time they do this again, but I wonder what will happen to their subchannels? Split kids/createTV? or completely get rid of one? ??:confused:

Don't be surprised if your local PBS station does what WTTW in Chicago has done with pledge drives. They might hold pledge drives on the main channel one moment. The next moment, they'll hold a pledge drive on XX.2 (for WTTW, that would be WTTW Prime, which is locally programmed 24 hour Primetime channel). Then they'll even cut off the Create channel either part of the day during the week to cutting it off for the entire weekend for pledge drives. I have yet to see WTTW cutoff V-Me to have a pledge drive in Spanish. Now I don't think WFWA would cutoff the PBS Kids channel for a pledge drive (I would hope not), but they could do it with Create if they really want to. For stations that hold pledge drives on multiple channels (WTTW in Chicago has done it with 3 of 4 of their channels), I don't know if the money is for the overall operations of the station, or operations of each channel.

I hope PBS doesn't try to keep all three sub-channels after going HD. Even if they only do 720p that will still be pushing it. NBC looks like crap in 1080i with just two sub-channels, I can't imagine how bad it would be with three.

I know I'm spitting in the wind here but I still wish NBC would drop a sub an increase the bit rate to their main channel, CBS looks so much better with only the single sub.

I hope PBS doesn't try to keep all three sub-channels after going HD. Even if they only do 720p that will still be pushing it. NBC looks like crap in 1080i with just two sub-channels, I can't imagine how bad it would be with three.

I know I'm spitting in the wind here but I still wish NBC would drop a sub an increase the bit rate to their main channel, CBS looks so much better with only the single sub.

Any station that runs an HD channel & a certain number of subchannels have to have good hardware to handle the extra channels. If WFWA plans to run a 1080i channel (typical of most PBS stations), they might be able to handle 2 or 3 subchannels (depending on the hardware they plan to use). WTTW in Chicago runs 11.1 in 1080i & their 3 subchannels, WTTW Prime, Create, & V-ME in 480i. They don't seem to be having any problems running a 1080i & 3 SD subchannels. Now if you think that if WFWA were to push it if they had a 720p HD channel & 2 subchannels, try WLS-TV in Chicago & WYIN in Merrillville (Licensed to Gary) running 2 720p HD channels. WLS-TV runs their main channel & Livewell HD in 720p each & Accuweather in SD. WYIN runs 56.1 & 56.2 (56.2 a simulcast for now) are 720p each & 56.3 & 56.4 in 480i (56.3 is PBS Kids Go) (all 4 channels 16:9). Those 2 stations really push it by running 2 HD channels. WYIN eventually wants to run a 3rd HD channel once the compression technology improves. If you had access to watching any of the Chicago stations, you'd know what I mean about WLS-TV & WYIN pushing it with their bandwidth. I have yet to see South Bend & Fort Wayne stations in HD.

Any station that runs an HD channel & a certain number of subchannels have to have good hardware to handle the extra channels. If WFWA plans to run a 1080i channel (typical of most PBS stations), they might be able to handle 2 or 3 subchannels (depending on the hardware they plan to use). WTTW in Chicago runs 11.1 in 1080i & their 3 subchannels, WTTW Prime, Create, & V-ME in 480i. They don't seem to be having any problems running a 1080i & 3 SD subchannels. Now if you think that if WFWA were to push it if they had a 720p HD channel & 2 subchannels, try WLS-TV in Chicago & WYIN in Merrillville (Licensed to Gary) running 2 720p HD channels. WLS-TV runs their main channel & Livewell HD in 720p each & Accuweather in SD. WYIN runs 56.1 & 56.2 (56.2 a simulcast for now) are 720p each & 56.3 & 56.4 in 480i (56.3 is PBS Kids Go) (all 4 channels 16:9). Those 2 stations really push it by running 2 HD channels. WYIN eventually wants to run a 3rd HD channel once the compression technology improves. If you had access to watching any of the Chicago stations, you'd know what I mean about WLS-TV & WYIN pushing it with their bandwidth. I have yet to see South Bend & Fort Wayne stations in HD.

Watching WBGU 27 from Bowling Green, OH.58 miles from FT. Wayne with an outdoor antenna. They are running 3 subs. and one H.D. and still looks better than WFWA's 480i. WTTW H.D. is stunning . No subs included because its a satellite signal.

Watching WBGU 27 from Bowling Green, OH.58 miles away with outdoor antenna. They are running 3 subs. and one H.D. and still looks better than WFWA's 480i. WTTW H.D. is stunning . No subs included because its a satellite signal.

I watch WTTW OTA & the picture is great for 11.1 & good for 11.2 - 11.4. A lot of times, I wish 11.2 (WTTW Prime) were widescreen just because most of the shows they air are in widescreen, even if resolution is 480i. I don't know if it could be bandwidth issues as to why they don't have 11.2 in 480i widescreen.

Whenever WFWA decides to go HD, hopefully it has a good picture. WNIT has yet to go HD, based on what people have posted on the South Bend board. WYIN of Gary at least has been willing to go HD, even if their own locally produced shows aren't HD yet.

Just out the Channel Master CM-7000 pal H.D. dvr is out. 250 GB HDMI output. Set top receiver as well. Finally i dont have to pay for tivo

Just out the Channel Master CM-7000 pal H.D. dvr is out. 250 GB HDMI output. Set top receiver as well. Finally i dont have to pay for tivo

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Magnavox-160GB-DVD-Recorder-Tuner/10104532
I've had a Magnavox one for about a year. Mine is 160GB, I just saw they have a new one that is 320GB. They also have built-in DVD recorders so you can transfer back and forth.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Magnavox-160GB-DVD-Recorder-Tuner/10104532
I've had a Magnavox one for about a year. Mine is 160GB, I just saw they have a new one that is 320GB. They also have built-in DVD recorders so you can transfer back and forth.

Now a simple choice became complicated. Price for the Channel master is $319 not sure what the maggie is going for.

Hey, can anyone tell me are there any stations in Fort Wayne besides Wane TV 15.1 that brodcast in surround 5.1 dolby sound? I thought at one time they were the only station capable of 5.1. I think maybe I heard Fox 55.1 also does 5.1 on there HD offerings. Any comments would be appreciated.

I think WISE does 5.1 as well. I think WPTA are the only one's still on 2.0 besides the all SD of WFWA.

Is there a problem with WANE TV 15.1???? Is it broadcasting at full strength???

Three construction permits were granted for channels 16, 20, and 41 d.t. Power levels from 2kw. to15kw. Also the antennas are located away from the hillegas tower farm to an area south of downtown. It looks like 2 signals are at the Hot 107.9 mast near Tillman rd. And the other at the old 105.1 mast in rural New Haven. Careful here signals are directional and have limited coverage. On air dates. Well no information yet. This may revive the rotor business.

... This may revive the rotor business.

Only if they are for channels worth watching. Any word on what stations they will be?

15 apparently having troubles right now.

15 apparently having troubles right now.

Indeed. The transmitter controller took an ever so slight power hit (so slight our amplifiers didn't flinch but they usually are the first to notice.) The controller came back up with a stuck relay that would not allow drive to be applied to the amps. Had to convince it otherwise.

Just watched the recordings from last night. I understand the need to relay weather information but seriously, with the map in the upper left and the crawl at the bottom you don't need to have Curtis Smith break in every 5 minutes as well. You have a 24/7 weather sub-channel for crying out loud put Curtis on that and let the rest of us watch TV.

ENGjas~~

Any word on DD5.1 audio for WPTA broadcasts??

For crying out loud - The World Cup happens once every four years - it rains every other day. Please, I'm begging, DON'T INTERRUPT THE WORLD CUP for weather announcements.

So I want to give some credit to WFFT today for how they handled the weather widget during the F1 race. It stayed on for a short time and they took it off. They seemed to only turn it back on for another short time when there was an update to the info from the last time.

If you absolutely *must* break into programming for weather updates could you at least go split screen or tiered screen so those viewers who already know it's raining / stormy outside can at least see the video of what they intended to watch.

This level of intrusion should only be used in the case of a tornado warning. Other than that the corner maps and tickers are MORE than enough.

ENGjas~~

Any word on DD5.1 audio for WPTA broadcasts??
We currently have no plans for 5.1 on WPTA. We would like to but not able to get the approval from corporate due to cost. Hopefully down the road we will be able to provide 5.1.

Whats up with 21-3 tonight?

Whats up with 21-3 tonight?
21-3 has been turned off. The radar is now on 33-3. INCnow has been "canceled".
33-3 was left active due to it feeding various cable systems.

We currently have no plans for 5.1 on WPTA. We would like to but not able to get the approval from corporate due to cost. Hopefully down the road we will be able to provide 5.1.

Disappointed to hear that.

21-3 has been turned off. The radar is now on 33-3. INCnow has been "canceled".
33-3 was left active due to it feeding various cable systems.

Thanks. Would be nice for some news about moves such as this, but, seeing that it is essentially acknowledging a failure not surprised there wasn't any.

Disappointed to hear that.

Maybe they could take the money they'll be saving from the harebrained, now canceled INC Now and invest in something like this that actually makes sense?

Per WFWA's Facebook page and an article in Saturday's Journal Gazette.

Detailed link WFWA Announcement (http://www.facebook.com/notes/pbs39-fort-wayne/pbs39-to-begin-hi-def-broadcasting-on-39-1-this-july/128545523847666)

This July marks the return of High-Definition broadcasting to PBS39 as, officially, on July 4 at 7:30pm, we re-introduce channel PBS39/39-1 as PBS39HD. This high-definition transition marks a full-circle moment for the station.

WFWA PBS39 was the first TV station in northeast Indiana to begin broadcasting a digital signal in February 2004.....................and now, through the grace and generosity of our community partners, particularly the Madge Rothschild Foundation, this July, PBS39 is proud to bring our viewers PBS39HD as we welcome back full-time High-Definition broadcasting to all the communities we serve.

Let me be the first to say Thank You to the Madge Rothschild foundation!!!!

Per WFWA's Facebook page and an article in Saturday's Journal Gazette.

Detailed link WFWA Announcement (http://www.facebook.com/notes/pbs39-fort-wayne/pbs39-to-begin-hi-def-broadcasting-on-39-1-this-july/128545523847666)

This July marks the return of High-Definition broadcasting to PBS39 as, officially, on July 4 at 7:30pm, we re-introduce channel PBS39/39-1 as PBS39HD. This high-definition transition marks a full-circle moment for the station.

WFWA PBS39 was the first TV station in northeast Indiana to begin broadcasting a digital signal in February 2004.....................and now, through the grace and generosity of our community partners, particularly the Madge Rothschild Foundation, this July, PBS39 is proud to bring our viewers PBS39HD as we welcome back full-time High-Definition broadcasting to all the communities we serve.

Let me be the first to say Thank You to the Madge Rothschild foundation!!!!

AMEN!!!! A Capitol Fourth looked beautiful!

WFWA 39-1 looks beautiful.

On the other hand, WPTA 21-2 is un-watchable. One would think with more bandwidth available now that 21-3 is gone, it would have gotten better. Looks like the "one step forward, two steps back" syndrome at work again.

WFWA 39-1 looks beautiful.

On the other hand, WPTA 21-2 is un-watchable. One would think with more bandwidth available now that 21-3 is gone, it would have gotten better. Looks like the "one step forward, two steps back" syndrome at work again.

I second that. I can't watch 21-2 anymore.

Come on WPTA lets get going and get 5.1 surround sound in place. Your the last station in Fort Wayne to get it done! You might want to contact WFWA to see there new dolby 5.1 surround sound equipment, which they showed on air last night at 7:30 PM. Nice!

MMike

I second that. I can't watch 21-2 anymore.

Well the thing is... I can get video that looks as good - or better - over the internet. I can also watch internet video on my LCD screen with really good quality. And another nail goes in the coffin.

Well the thing is... I can get video that looks as good - or better - over the internet. I can also watch internet video on my LCD screen with really good quality. And another nail goes in the coffin.

Most of the video I watch online looks 5 times better than what I get on 21-2. So I totally agree.

WFWA 39-1 looks beautiful.

On the other hand, WPTA 21-2 is un-watchable. One would think with more bandwidth available now that 21-3 is gone, it would have gotten better. Looks like the "one step forward, two steps back" syndrome at work again.
We are waiting on a new module to correct the 21-2 problem. But until the CW starts feeding the signal in digital, it will never be as good as it should be. We are currently converting the analog signal to digital. The analog feed is not the cleanest so when converted it is soft and has some "noise" in the video.

Come on WPTA lets get going and get 5.1 surround sound in place. Your the last station in Fort Wayne to get it done! You might want to contact WFWA to see there new dolby 5.1 surround sound equipment, which they showed on air last night at 7:30 PM. Nice!

MMike
Locally we would like to provide 5.1 but due to budget constraints, we are not currently able to get money approved for the needed equipment.

It is looking very good. Is Wfwa at the increased power now? Also take a look at the new 2080 foot tower going up in Tokyo, Japan. It is called the tokyo Sky tree. We need a version like this here. Oh well that when hell freezes over.

We are waiting on a new module to correct the 21-2 problem. But until the CW starts feeding the signal in digital, it will never be as good as it should be. We are currently converting the analog signal to digital. The analog feed is not the cleanest so when converted it is soft and has some "noise" in the video.

I know I've seen CW in HD on FTA. Are these feeds not still active? That doesn't sound right.

CW

Orbital Location - 99.0°W
Satellite - Galaxy 16
Freq.- 3845
Polarity - H
Symbol Rate- 15030
Modulation - DVB
Resolution -SD 4:2:0

Orbital Location - 97.0°W
Satellite - Galaxy 19
Freq.- 4060
Polarity - H
Symbol Rate- 32362
Modulation - DVB-S
Resolution -HD 4:2:0

I know I've seen CW in HD on FTA. Are these feeds not still active? That doesn't sound right.

CW

Orbital Location - 99.0°W
Satellite - Galaxy 16
Freq.- 3845
Polarity - H
Symbol Rate- 15030
Modulation - DVB
Resolution -SD 4:2:0

Orbital Location - 97.0°W
Satellite - Galaxy 19
Freq.- 4060
Polarity - H
Symbol Rate- 32362
Modulation - DVB-S
Resolution -HD 4:2:0

I think he meant that the CW plus signal is not in digital. I know the prime time shows are sent in HD, but 21 downgrades the signal.

I think he meant that the CW plus signal is not in digital. I know the prime time shows are sent in HD, but 21 downgrades the signal.
That is correct. The CW Plus signal is still analog but Primetime is offered in HD. This fall we are planning on taking the HD feed and downconverting it to SD digital but maintaining it in 16x9. This will help primetime look much better. We will also then start airing the 10pm news in 16x9.
This is all due to installation of new HD video servers.
With the new servers, we will be able to start airing syndication in HD this fall along with capability for HD commercials.

Here is a basic rule of thumb regarding the Indiana's News Center Viper-HD Radar: If you glance outside and perceive a reason to view it; there is a better than 50-50 chance that, for whatever reason; it isn't being broadcast at that time.

Agreed. I like how 15.2 does it. Radar all the time, along with the national weather service broadcast. 49.3 out of muncie has a decent radar all the time also.

Right now is a good example. Radar please!

Agreed on the 21.3 radar. Rarely do I immediately need to know what the low temp will be 6 days from now, but there are times when I immediately need to know where the storm clouds are right now. Only show the radar, the rest of the stuff I can wait for the newscast to inform me. Because the times when I flipped to 21.3/33.3 for the radar, and it hasn't been the radar, I only ever go to 15.2 out of habit now.

Starting very soon, 33.3 will no longer be airing any weather forecasts or commercials/promos. It will back just like it was when it aired on 21.3..

Is anyone else getting a constant poping sound on CBS - WANE? For the last few days every 2 seconds I am getting pops in the audio. I'm sure it isn't my equipment. It happens on 2 different receivers. One on my TV that uses analog stereo sound and the other on my surround sound that bitstreams DD over the optical out. On my 5.1 system it sounds like it is coming mostly from the rear channels.

Edit: I just check the South Bend affiliate and it's fine. So it isn't coming from the network like that.

I am getting the popping also. It is really annoying. The PGA Championship looks great, but this noise is awful.

Is anyone else getting a constant poping sound on CBS - WANE? For the last few days every 2 seconds I am getting pops in the audio. I'm sure it isn't my equipment. It happens on 2 different receivers. One on my TV that uses analog stereo sound and the other on my surround sound that bitstreams DD over the optical out. On my 5.1 system it sounds like it is coming mostly from the rear channels.

Edit: I just check the South Bend affiliate and it's fine. So it isn't coming from the network like that.

Same here, ota and via Dish.

Starting very soon, 33.3 will no longer be airing any weather forecasts or commercials/promos. It will back just like it was when it aired on 21.3..
As of Monday, The inserts on 33.3 will end and we are also working on having the radar up full time without any interuptions includeing when the weather person is setting up for a weathercast.

Is anyone else getting a constant poping sound on CBS - WANE? For the last few days every 2 seconds I am getting pops in the audio. I'm sure it isn't my equipment. It happens on 2 different receivers. One on my TV that uses analog stereo sound and the other on my surround sound that bitstreams DD over the optical out. On my 5.1 system it sounds like it is coming mostly from the rear channels.

Edit: I just check the South Bend affiliate and it's fine. So it isn't coming from the network like that.

This was a pesky one, but its been traced back and eliminated.

As of Monday, The inserts on 33.3 will end and we are also working on having the radar up full time without any interuptions includeing when the weather person is setting up for a weathercast.

Thanks!

This was a pesky one, but its been traced back and eliminated.

Thanks! Once in a while I detect a fade out and back in of sound, noticing it right now on CBS Saturday Morning.

The WISE-DT (FWIN) digital transmitter (WISE-DT 33-1, MyTV WISE-DT 33-2 & INC NOW 24 Hour News WISE-DT 33-3) and WPTA-DT (FWIN) digital transmitter (WPTA-DT ABC 21-1 & THE CW WPTA-DT 21-2) will both shut down this Sunday September 5, 2010 from approximately 9:00am to approximately 3:00pm Eastern time to allow for antenna maintenance.

The WISE-DT (FWIN) digital transmitter (WISE-DT 33-1, MyTV WISE-DT 33-2 & INC NOW 24 Hour News WISE-DT 33-3) and WPTA-DT (FWIN) digital transmitter (WPTA-DT ABC 21-1 & THE CW WPTA-DT 21-2) will both shut down this Sunday September 5, 2010 from approximately 9:00am to approximately 3:00pm Eastern time to allow for antenna maintenance.

How was that particular time chosen?

Couldn't this work be done in the middle of the night? If WISE/WPTA are going to operate in this fly-by-night manner, can I please get a waiver so I can get ABC and NBC from another market?

How was that particular time chosen?

The last time I know that WISH (CBS), Indy needed to make some antenna adjustments it was scheduled at about the same time on a Sunday morning. The viewing audience is usually quite small at that time plus with this being a holiday weekend, the viewing audience is even smaller. The temporary shutdown won't affect that many. I just checked the local Indy ABC and NBC stations, and they are both airing paid programming. No big loss there!

Plus, I don't know of any tower crew members wanting to climb to the top of a TV tower to work on the antenna in the dark during the overnight hours..................

Steve

Couldn't this work be done in the middle of the night? If WISE/WPTA are going to operate in this fly-by-night manner, can I please get a waiver so I can get ABC and NBC from another market?
This needed to be done durring daylight hours. It would have been unsafe and difficult to do in the middle of the night (in darkness). Normally all maint work is done overnight whenever possible.

How was that particular time chosen?
Due to this is a very low veiwership time and this was the time that worked for the tower crew.

ENGjas~~

Any word on DD5.1 audio for WPTA broadcasts??
UPDATE:

We have found the required 5.1 gear at one of our sister stations and we are working on getting it installed and configured. Our goal is to have 5.1 ready within the next week or so.

UPDATE:

We have found the required 5.1 gear at one of our sister stations and we are working on getting it installed and configured. Our goal is to have 5.1 ready within the next week or so.

great news!

UPDATE:

We have found the required 5.1 gear at one of our sister stations and we are working on getting it installed and configured. Our goal is to have 5.1 ready within the next week or so.

Hey thats great news! Please let us know when the 5.1 is up and running and thanks for your role in getting this done! MMike

Hey thats great news! Please let us know when the 5.1 is up and running and thanks for your role in getting this done! MMike
We put the 5.1 gear online at 2:30pm today. Let me know if you have any issues.

We put the 5.1 gear online at 2:30pm today. Let me know if you have any issues.

Hey thats is great! Thanks for all that you have done to get this done. Will let you know if everything is OK. MMike

We put the 5.1 gear online at 2:30pm today. Let me know if you have any issues.

Excellent!!

5.1 sounded fantastic on the ND/MSU game Sat Night!!

I have updated my info to reflect the recent changes in the Fort Wayne market.

Please let me know of any corrections, additions, deletions.


WANE-DT (UHF Channel 31)
Virtual Channel 15-1 and Sub-Channels
15-1 CBS (1080i, 16x9, DD5.1)
15-2 LWS (Local Weather Station) (480i, 4x3, 2.0)
Transmitter: 1000 kW
Tower Height: 242 m
Frequency: 572-578 MHz


WPTA-DT (UHF Channel 24)
Virtual channel 21-1 and Sub-Channels
21-1 ABC (720p, 16x9, DD5.1)
21-2 The CW (480i, 4x3, 2.0)
Transmitter: 335 kW
Tower Height: 224.4 m
Frequency: 530-536 MHz


WISE-DT (UHF Channel 18)
Virtual channel 33-1 and Sub-Channels
33-1 NBC (1080i, 16x9, DD5.1)
33-2 MyNetworkTV (480i, 4x3, 2.0)
33-3 PinPoint VIPIR radar (480i, 16x9, 2.0)
Transmitter: 142.5 kW
Tower Height: 239.3 m
Frequency: 494-500 MHz and 500-506 MHz


WFFT-DT (UHF Channel 36)
Virtual Channel 55-1 No Sub-Channels
55-1 FOX (720p, 16x9, DD5.1)
Transmitter: 1000 kW
Tower Height: 219 m
Frequency: 602-608 MHz


WFWA-DT (UHF Channel 40)
Virtual Channel 39-1 and Sub-Channels
39-1 Main WFWA Programming (1080i, 16x9, 2.0)
39-2 Kids 39 (480i, 4x3, 2.0)
39-3 Create (480i, 4x3, 2.0)
39-4 39-4you (480i, 4x3, 2.0)
Transmitter: 90 kW
Tower Height: 221 m
Frequency: 626-632 MHz


WINM-DT (VHF Channel 12)
Virtual Channel 38-1 and Sub-Channels
38-1 TCT (480i, 4x3, 2.0)
38-2 TCT-HD (1080i, 16x9, 2.0)
Transmitter: 16.5 kW
Tower Height: 132 m
Frequency: unknown MHz

Maybe its an NBC thing, but, sound doesn't seem right on Football Night in America on 33 right now.

I've got Dish and noticed that since PBS upgraded to HD, Dish doesn't carry the HD channel of PBS on satellite (although they carry all other FW stations in HD). PBSMatt, if you still monitoring this thread, is this something the local PBS should contact Dish about, or should I call a Dish CSR? I have a feeling the Dish CSR would be a waste of time.

hello all!

new the forum.... there is some great stuff on here.

Now, for my question. I live SW of Ft Wayne, about half way between Huntington and Ft. Wayne. I have a directional antenna in my attic. I get everything accept WFFT absolutely great, 80-90%. Last year when i moved in i got all the channels fine, well this fall (i only watch OTA when football starts up) Fox is about 80% for a few seconds then goes to 50% then to 0 and then back to 80 and so forth, it just keeps repeating this. Seems like there might be something interfering? Any tips would be GREATLY appreciated!

I've got Dish and noticed that since PBS upgraded to HD, Dish doesn't carry the HD channel of PBS on satellite (although they carry all other FW stations in HD). PBSMatt, if you still monitoring this thread, is this something the local PBS should contact Dish about, or should I call a Dish CSR? I have a feeling the Dish CSR would be a waste of time.
Just an FYI: DirecTV does have WFWA in HD.

Sound on NBC's Bears-Giants game didn't seem right last night. I'm set up for 5.1 and it's been really good for the ESPN, ABC and Fox sports broadcasts, but NBC seemed all messed up. WAY too much ambient crowd noise through the surround speakers, and the front speakers for the announcers could barely be heard. Not sure if it's a local problem or national. I didn't change any of my setup because it had been just right during the earlier games, so I was pretty sure it wasn't me.

You know, I hope WANE doubles or triples the size of their "Frost Advisory" map the next time this weather event happens. Took me by surprise, who would have known frost was a possibility in fall and temps in the 40s.

It was difficult to see the impending doom of my rose bushes during the start of the Colts game. Fortunately they threw that 1/3 screen banner on at the same time so I was prepared with the incoming natural disaster. I took solace in the fact that Ohio would also have to mobilize the National Guard to combat the frost.

I'm sorry, I had to laugh actually. It went away and I know no here has control of it. I just found it all a little comical.

hey gang, what's going on at channel 15-3. I see there is a new channel but only bars right now. Anyone know what they have planned?

diehard

The Cool TV.

- Trip

I saw that 15-2 PSIP data was showing "The Cool Tv", but still showing the radar, with 15-3 showing the color bars.

Something "cool" going on, eh?

Yes, we brought 15.3 back online a few days ago for stream testing. The changes you see highlighted on the PSIP tables should go live sometime Monday if all goes well.....

Something "cool" going on, eh?

.....


thanks for the chuckle... :)

thanks for the chuckle... :)

I haven't posted in a while so I thought I'd try and catch a laugh!

hey gang, what's going on at channel 15-3. I see there is a new channel but only bars right now. Anyone know what they have planned?

diehard

"The Frost Advisory Channel" as requested.

FWIW, the station ID on my TV is already showing 15-2 as "WANE-SD" and 15-3 as "WANE-WX" (which usually denotes a weather station).

That, plus the digital guide is showing "The Cool Tv" in 30 minute increments on 15-2 while 15-3 is showing "Live Doppler 15 FURY" in 30 minute increments.

So I'd say that the weather radar is being moved to 15-3 and whatever "The Cool Tv" is will start showing on 15-2.

Thanks for the patience as we iron out our sub channel situation here at WANE.

15.2 went live with COOL TV this morning. Its a music video channel. The radar moved to 15.3.

We will be adjusting the streams accordingly with bit rates as we see all 3 live for a while.

Feedback is appreciated!

Thanks for the patience as we iron out our sub channel situation here at WANE.

15.2 went live with COOL TV this morning. Its a music video channel. The radar moved to 15.3.

We will be adjusting the streams accordingly with bit rates as we see all 3 live for a while.

Feedback is appreciated!

do you have any idea when/if the channel will appear on cable/fios?

do you have any idea when/if the channel will appear on cable/fios?

By the looks of it, not before the idea is abandoned.

do you have any idea when/if the channel will appear on cable/fios?

There is an agreement with FIOS to carry the service; I don't know when for sure it will happen. As far as I know, right now there are no plans for Comcast to pick it up.

There is an agreement with FIOS to carry the service; I don't know when for sure it will happen. As far as I know, right now there are no plans for Comcast to pick it up.

good to know that it will happen on fios. I really like the channel and hate having to watch it over the air. my antenna sucks. lol

Of all the possabilities You gave us useless music videos. Can you at least try looking into Antenna Tv programming. Or try to duplicate the programming of WWme 23 Chicago. Or me 2 on dt.48 Chgo. This is the best years of decent tv programming. I wish I could delete sub channels on my television. This as they say it Sucks!

Of all the possabilities You gave us useless music videos. Can you at least try looking into Antenna Tv programming. Or try to duplicate the programming of WWme 23 Chicago. Or me 2 on dt.48 Chgo. This is the best years of decent tv programming. I wish I could delete sub channels on my television. This as they say it Sucks!

Wasn't a very imaginative choice was it? On Dish I think I have about 800 music channels. Have to assume they thought it would produce the most profit. Hope to see something better there someday.

I agree with the above comments. At least on my HTPC I can block it. It's just too bad they had to insert it before the weather channel forcing me to edit my channel line-up.

Been noticing some signal issues with WPTA 21. Anyone else having any problems?

Martian21

Been noticing some signal issues with WPTA 21. Anyone else having any problems?

Martian21

Not here in Huntington.

It would be nice if the locals could find a way to do their 100% of the time weather/school delay crawl in such a way that it won't burn the station logo into my plasma tv....

I'm just sayin'.

(OK, technically it's just ghosting, for now, and it will go away; but it's still annoying. And makes me nervous if I'm watching the same station for several hours in a row like today with football, 60 minutes, amazing race...)

Hello all. A little early holiday present for you basketball fans I hope....

This weekend CBS is allowing us to do something we haven't done before in my memory. WANE will be airing both regional games. Butler/Stanford will air on 15.1 in HD. Ohio State/South Carolina will air on 15.2.

This is probably a one shot deal with the network because of the proximity of Ohio State to our viewing area, but it will be interesting to watch as we've never done it before.

I've already made adjustments to our streams and added some bandwidth to 15.3 to hopefully make the game look smoother.

It will be a nice test of our mulitplexer.....

This weekend CBS is allowing us to do something we haven't done before in my memory. WANE will be airing both regional games. Butler/Stanford will air on 15.1 in HD. Ohio State/South Carolina will air on 15.2.Nice ... and good to see the bandwidth adjustment (2.5 Mbps would be hard on sports).

Any thoughts on running a 16x9 HD feed downconverted or are you just passing through a CBS SD feed?

Cbs is full time hd so it will be downconverted 16X9. Got my fingers crossed it will look ok.

Just recalling, wasn't there a locally produced talk or some type show that started this past fall? What was it and what happened to it, if anyone knows?

Just recalling, wasn't there a locally produced talk or some type show that started this past fall? What was it and what happened to it, if anyone knows?

I think it is Insight on INC. Can't remember if it was 21 or 33 it aired on.

It is on WISE at 4:00PM M-F.

I think it is Insight on INC. Can't remember if it was 21 or 33 it aired on.

You're right, and as ENGjas says, its still on. Thats great.

Merry Christmas, Fort Wayne........OR........FCC Gone Mad!!!!

Has anyone noticed how many new construction permits have been issued to this market? This seems incredible......................

WFWC-LD (RF 10) @ .3 kW
W14DS-S (RF 14) @ 15 kW
W16CU-D (RF 16) @ 2 kW
W20DG-D (RF 20) @ 7.5 kW
W29DX-D (RF 29) @ 2.5 kW
W33DC-D (RF 33) @ 15 kW
W41DS-D (RF 41) @ 3 kW
W49DP-D (RF 49) @ 3 kW
W51EQ-D (RF 51) @ 12.5 kW

PLUS..........(yes, more) Applications have been filed for MORE low-power DTVs in Fort Wayne on these channels: 4, 19, 21, 26, 34, 35, 39, & 43.

Will all or any of these actually hit the air? Who knows.

Steve

Sound issues on CBS Sunday Morning. Popping and sound up and down.

Sound issues on CBS Sunday Morning. Popping and sound up and down.

Thanks John- I often wonder if it's just me or my setup. I have an Onkyo receiver and I'm routing the full Dolby Digital from my TV receiving stations OTA. I know I've been having other issues related to my Onkyo decoding the audio signal and wondered if this was part of the same problem.

Looks like it's not just me!

Thanks John- I often wonder if it's just me or my setup. I have an Onkyo receiver and I'm routing the full Dolby Digital from my TV receiving stations OTA. I know I've been having other issues related to my Onkyo decoding the audio signal and wondered if this was part of the same problem.

Looks like it's not just me!

Not your receiver but for sure 5.1 related. We have an issue with a piece of gear that we had to bypass around to clear the audio. Hopefully it is just a quick fix and we won't be in stereo only for long, but for now we are only feeding stereo.

Not your receiver but for sure 5.1 related. We have an issue with a piece of gear that we had to bypass around to clear the audio. Hopefully it is just a quick fix and we won't be in stereo only for long, but for now we are only feeding stereo.

Thanks! Coming from an career in IT systems, I can understand that there is a lot of complex hardware/software that's involved in broadcasting HD audio/video and that there are some bugs still being worked out.

I still wouldn't want to go back to analog TV for anything- even with the occasional issues....

I looked for the game on local Fort wayne tv but no bears airing. Had to watch on Wbbm-tv . Also the Colts game on Wane-tv had lots of artifacts due to the addition of Cool-Tv. The additional 15-2 is worthless. Please get rid of it and bring the bit rate up for 15-1. Fox 55 looks awesome using only one dt channel. Keep it up Wfft!

I looked for the game on local Fort wayne tv but no bears airing. Had to watch on Wbbm-tv . Also the Colts game on Wane-tv had lots of artifacts due to the addition of Cool-Tv. The additional 15-2 is worthless. Please get rid of it and bring the bit rate up for 15-1. Fox 55 looks awesome using only one dt channel. Keep it up Wfft!

Couple responses here:
WANE (along with WISH, WTHI, WLFI) did not air the Bears game due to contractual obligations CBS has with the NFL. It was not under our control.

With the artificats on 15.1 during the Colt game: I've checked our encoders and have bumped the bit rate up on 15.1. We had lowered it some to air CBS basketball on 15.3 a few weeks ago and it appears I didn't reset it to its proper level. Its back up now.

Thanks again.

I have to agree with Aeriel1 regarding the programming on 15.3. There is wonderful nostalgia programming available all over the sky. Why this "place-holder"? Does anyone actually watch this?

This may have been asked before and I apologize if it has....

I would like to try receiving some of the Indianapolis, Lima, and South Bend stations. Any possibility of doing this within the actual city of Fort Wayne?

Are there any professional companies in the Fort Wayne area who can install a rooftop OTA antenna (or tower) and cabling?

Thanks!

Not your receiver but for sure 5.1 related. We have an issue with a piece of gear that we had to bypass around to clear the audio. Hopefully it is just a quick fix and we won't be in stereo only for long, but for now we are only feeding stereo.

Are you back to normal yet? Still hearing the up and down.

OK you bimbos at 15-2 now is your chance. Weigel broadcasting is launching 'Me-Tv' it is a 24/7 National service. Contact; Molly Kelly at 312-705-2632. Or Melissa kenedy at 312-705-2649. Better yet someone coming on soon with a lptv digital channel this is the choice independant channel that the audience cant get enough of.

Not your receiver but for sure 5.1 related. We have an issue with a piece of gear that we had to bypass around to clear the audio. Hopefully it is just a quick fix and we won't be in stereo only for long, but for now we are only feeding stereo.

Still sound fading up and down. How long does this take? If it was the picture fading in and out I assume it would be fixed pronto. Someone in charge needs to listen to how annoying this is.

This may have been asked before and I apologize if it has....

I would like to try receiving some of the Indianapolis, Lima, and South Bend stations. Any possibility of doing this within the actual city of Fort Wayne?

Are there any professional companies in the Fort Wayne area who can install a rooftop OTA antenna (or tower) and cabling?

Thanks!

Indianapolis a very longshot at receiving, as they're more than 100 miles from Fort Wayne. Even if it's possible, you'd be lucky if you get the stations that transmit from the tower farm north of Indianapolis. You wouldn't get the stations that transmit south of Indianapolis, due to those stations being licensed to Bloomington, & Grade A coverage over Bloomington couldn't be achieved by transmitting out of Indianapolis. The only Indianapolis market station that might be possible to receive is WNDY, as they're licensed to Marion, & their tower is near Cicero. South Bend might be possible, but the signal would definitely be weak. If lucky, you'd only get WNDU (NBC), WSBT (CBS), WSJV (Fox), WNIT (PBS), & WHME (Ind). You wouldn't get WCWW-LD (CW), WMYS-LD (MNT), or WBND-LD (ABC) at all. You would definitely need a tower of at least 50 ft in the air, & the biggest UHF antenna you can get (preferably yagi like the Winegard HD9032 or Antennacraft MXU59), along with a pre-amp. In a situation like that, it would be best if the antenna you want to use to be separate from the antenna that would be used for Fort Wayne stations, as you probably don't need amplification for Fort Wayne stations.

I'm looking at a similar situation myself, as I get Chicago stations, but South Bend's 5 full power stations have stray coverage over Gary. With my current VHF/UHF antenna pointed at Chicago, I get WSBT almost every night. If WNDU had returned to 16, then I would get them nearly every night as well. They're the most difficult to get now, as they're on 42, & my antenna isn't pointed at South Bend. Once certain issues get worked out outside ofTV reception, then I plan to get a Winegard HD9032 for South Bend stations (possibly looking at getting one for Chicago as well to see if I can get WPVN-LD with it).

Yeah! ME-TV from Weigel looks fabulous! I second the motion! Put something on the .2 and .3 channels that's worth watching!

Take a look at the fracarro pu-16 UHF antenna. And also the 7 foot diameter Channel master parascope UHF antenna. Gain on that one is around 21 db. I have one left and it is rare and will be expensive. You may need to mount this on a tower. Also a stacked Dat 75 televes antenna is worth looking in to.

Not your receiver but for sure 5.1 related. We have an issue with a piece of gear that we had to bypass around to clear the audio. Hopefully it is just a quick fix and we won't be in stereo only for long, but for now we are only feeding stereo.

Your sound is still up and down and its been weeks.

There's a fine new network associated with Tribune Media featuring a great schedule of classic TV. It's called "Antenna TV". It's a multicast channel in Indianapolis. If anyone from the Fort Wayne TV stations staff reads this forum, it may be a nice suggestion as a multicast station (channel 15 "Cool TV" -- are you listening?).

Agreed. I live in southern Adams County and can pick up WXIN 59.2 out of Indy sometimes (Antenna TV). Hands down, way better than CoolTV. 15.2 needs to change, definately aren't helpin themselves showin that stuff.

So I just saw a crawl on 15 provided through Dish that Dish may lose Wane effective tomorrow. Any idea what that is about?

So I just saw a crawl on 15 provided through Dish that Dish may lose Wane effective tomorrow. Any idea what that is about?$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

WANE is part of a 17 market station group that is negotiating a new carriage contract.

Hmm, I see. But, I thought the FCC had rules so that local stations must be carried.

Hmm, I see. But, I thought the FCC had rules so that local stations must be carried.Each station makes an election for each cable/satellite provider. The station chooses whether they are "must carry" (forced carriage without compensation) or "consent to carry" (negotiated carriage with compensation possible). DISH has made the offer to carry the station ... that is all they are required to do. If LIN does not give consent for their signals to be rebroadcast it would be illegal for DISH to carry them. LIN is currently withholding their consent in exchange for an increase in what DISH pays them.

"LIN Media, a corporate media conglomerate, is threatening to block DISH Network customers from watching its local channels in 17 markets across the country. LIN Media is demanding more than a 140 percent rate hike and other burdensome contract terms that ultimately will result in higher prices for consumers. We are pleased the FCC is meeting this week to seek changes to the outdated retransmission consent process. In the meantime, DISH Network is diligently negotiating with LIN Media, and we're hopeful we can reach a fair agreement."
DISH Network Press Release - February 28th (http://dish.client.shareholder.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=553321)

Well, Dish subscribers in the Ft Wayne area are screwed, as WANE is blocked.

This is so stupid. I'm a huge NCAA Basketball fan, and this childish dispute will cause me to miss todays OSU-Wisconsin game.

thankfully you can watch the games on sportsline.com, otherwise we would be completely out of luck. I cannot get an antenna installed where I live, and WANE is the only channel that doesn't come in on my rabbit ears.

What an embarrassment.

Oh, and another note:

My Dish channel 15 says: "Mad about the loss of WANE? Contact Alan Riebe, Station Mgr/Dir of Sales at 260-426-6029 or alan.riebe@wane.com."

I'd love to hear if this is something that WANE has any control over, as I thought it was something the LIN was negotiating, the individual locals have no control. Can anyone confirm/deny?

It is a corporate thing ... but the local station managers have been echoing the company line so perhaps speaking to them will send a message back to headquarters.

This is insane! I really think the TV corporation owners already make enough money. So the satellite companies make some money off of carrying the local signals. Big deal. I don't believe the TV stations have to pay much money for use of the airwaves. This just irritates the viewers and makes us realize that we can really get along without certain stations.

Nice crawl regarding 21 & 33 shutting down for maintenance. Anyone consider adding WHEN this is going to happen to the crawl?

Nice crawl regarding 21 & 33 shutting down for maintenance. Anyone consider adding WHEN this is going to happen to the crawl?

Thank you. 9:30 AM. Now, until?

Thank you. 9:30 AM. Now, until?

Noon. Thank you.

Anyone else having an audio problem with NBC 33? My other locals are fine. I have DTV HD. Thanks.

This is insane! I really think the TV corporation owners already make enough money. So the satellite companies make some money off of carrying the local signals. Big deal. I don't believe the TV stations have to pay much money for use of the airwaves. This just irritates the viewers and makes us realize that we can really get along without certain stations.

LIN and DISH have reached agreement and stations are back on this morning.

LIN and DISH have reached agreement and stations are back on this morning.

... wonder who caved?

So 21&33, looks like you need to fix your PSIP server.

Hey guys:

Just an FYI: last nights storm caused a major fiber outage from our Indy hub. The service provider is working hard to get us back up and running normally. But at the moment, we are not able to pass HD full time again until this issue gets resolved.

Thanks for your patience.

Hey guys:

Just an FYI: last nights storm caused a major fiber outage from our Indy hub. The service provider is working hard to get us back up and running normally. But at the moment, we are not able to pass HD full time again until this issue gets resolved.

Thanks for your patience.

Wow, that stinks. Thanks for the heads up. Hope you get it resolved soon.

Follow up: the problem has crept back in. Waiting for the service provider to find the issue again. As a result, we are trying to switch manually via sat and its not pretty.

Thanks again for your patience.

Follow up: the problem has crept back in. Waiting for the service provider to find the issue again. As a result, we are trying to switch manually via sat and its not pretty.

Thanks again for your patience.

Hi jckrac,

I wanted to check and see if this issue had been resolved. Having some reception problems out here near Cook Rd and Coldwater Rd. Using two Channel Master 4221HD Multi-Bay UHF Short Range HDTV Antennas and don't have any tall trees nearby, so I'm stumped. Things work great in the morning, but around 6 ~ 7 PM the reception goes to hell.

Anyone from 33 on? You're broadcasting a split picture, something is wrong.

Anyone from 33 on? You're broadcasting a split picture, something is wrong.

Fixed! Thanks!

Hi jckrac,

I wanted to check and see if this issue had been resolved. Having some reception problems out here near Cook Rd and Coldwater Rd. Using two Channel Master 4221HD Multi-Bay UHF Short Range HDTV Antennas and don't have any tall trees nearby, so I'm stumped. Things work great in the morning, but around 6 ~ 7 PM the reception goes to hell.

The referenced issue before didn't affect our ability to broadcast OTA transmissions but rather the fact we weren't able to pass HD video during the outage period. In that regard nothing has changed here. Even if we dropped down in power in a major fashion at your distance it shouldn't affect you.

I shouldn't be surprised, but I guess I am. Last night, at 10:10pm, there was a large storm that rolled through Auburn. I turned it over to 33.3, and guess what I didn't see.... THE RADAR. Again, when you'd really need it, it was showing the current high/low record temps. I would be willing to bet that no one (and I mean that) in the viewing area cares about that trivia when storms are rolling through the area. The programming for 33.3 should be like this:

while (1) {
showradar();
}

That's it... pretty simple. The only reason I turn to 33.3 over 15.3 (which always has the radar), is that 33.3 has an animation and you can see which way the storms are moving.

Could someone at WANE check the PSIP computer? It has had no schedule info updates for a while on 15.1. Thanks.

Could someone at WANE check the PSIP computer? It has had no schedule info updates for a while on 15.1. Thanks.

Thanks for the heads up. The problem has been identified and taken care of. Guide data should be back up now.

Both WISE and WPTA now have new HD Encoders and were put online this afternoon. This will solve the motion blurring problems. You should see a much better quality of picture on all channels. If you have any problems please let me know.

ENGjas,
Watching the hockey game of 33 and the picture is much better. No breakup at all. Good work.

Anyone know what the Fox affiliate moving to 33.2 will mean as far as over-the-air high def reception of Fox programming?

http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/local/Fox-Programs-Moving-to-WISE-TV-and-Indianas-NewsCenter-124200809.html

Anyone know what the Fox affiliate moving to 33.2 will mean as far as over-the-air high def reception of Fox programming?

http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/local/Fox-Programs-Moving-to-WISE-TV-and-Indianas-NewsCenter-124200809.html

And, what about providers that don't currently carry subchannels?

I don't understand why the decision wasn't to put Fox on 21-2 and move CW to 33-2. Then you'd have the two 720p signals together, an arrangement that I've widely heard considered to be superior to the 1080i/720p combination.

- Trip

That would have been ideal but this was due to the contract for the CW is with WPTA and Malara Broadcasting.

Ah, that makes sense then. Hopefully that can be corrected in the future. :)

- Trip

And, what about providers that don't currently carry subchannels?

I was reading about this on another website. Fort Wayne area viewers on DirecTV & Dish Network will lose their local Fox station due to this move. Now I don't know if DirecTV will allow people to get Fox from New York & Los Angeles, & Dish Network allowing a neighboring Fox station on their systems in Fort Wayne. I'd be surprised if Dish & DirecTV agree to carry the Fox network from WISE-TV's subchannel, but I doubt it, as they refuse to carry subchannels. If I'm not mistaken, any market that has the CW or MNT on a subchannel, that satellite don't carry those stations either.

I'm 99.9999999999999% sure that 33-2 will be carried on satellite.

- Trip

I was reading about this on another website. Fort Wayne area viewers on DirecTV & Dish Network will lose their local Fox station due to this move. Now I don't know if DirecTV will allow people to get Fox from New York & Los Angeles, & Dish Network allowing a neighboring Fox station on their systems in Fort Wayne. I'd be surprised if Dish & DirecTV agree to carry the Fox network from WISE-TV's subchannel, but I doubt it, as they refuse to carry subchannels. If I'm not mistaken, any market that has the CW or MNT on a subchannel, that satellite don't carry those stations either.
INC's CW is currently on DirecTV so they do air subchannels depending on the network. I am not sure if DISH carries the CW, I believe they do not.

Engjas,
Will the Fox and NBC programming still have 5.1 audio?

INC's CW is currently on DirecTV so they do air subchannels depending on the network. I am not sure if DISH carries the CW, I believe they do not.

Oh the big satellite companies get to pick & choose what they'll carry locally? Being in the Chicago market, they refuse to carry anything from WTTW other than the main channel, & WTTW wants WTTW Prime added. Just like WCIU, they'd like to get The U Too & MeToo (Chicago's MeTV) added. DirecTV actually balked at the idea of carrying MeTV (when MeTV was local to Chicago), because MeTV is carried on low power station WWME-LD (then WWME-CA, which now simulcasts The U Too, until Weigel decides whether to keep RF 39 for WWME-LD, or flash-cut RF 23 to digital & move MeTV back to 23), but they didn't actually want to carry a low power station on their system. Yes, MeTV is also carried on WCIU 26.3, but only simulcasted on WCIU because WWME-LD doesn't cover the entire Chicago market. All of the 6 networks in Chicago are carried on the main channel of each station (ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, CW, & MyNT), while not an option in Fort Wayne, due to only being allocated 6 full power stations to your market, while neighboring South Bend was only allocated 5 with 4 being for commercial use (they don't have ABC, CW, or MyNT on a full power station).

If you want good television and Chicago is the one.Then network with a relative or friend and use the extra H.D. box here in this city. you pay them a portion of the bill and you are ready. Chicago stations on the dish and Fort Wayne on the antenna. all you need is a slimline dish installed.

If you want good television and Chicago is the one.Then network with a relative or friend and use the extra H.D. box here in this city. you pay them a portion of the bill and you are ready. Chicago stations on the dish and Fort Wayne on the antenna. all you need is a slimline dish installed.

What you are suggesting:

1) is theft of service.

2) will not work for HD locals. Chicago HD locals are on a "spot-beam" on the 103. Fort Wayne is outside of this "spot-beam" footprint. Chicago SD locals are on the 101, and not on a "spot beam".

Good Luck!!

So, Engjas, why is it branded "my fox"? Just because it's on a subchannel?

That decision was made higher up. It will be a full service HD channel. Not the typical "subchannel".

Ah, well, personally, I think the 'my' sounds silly. 'Fox Fort Wayne' would have been accurate and professional sounding.

MyComputer, MyDocuments, MySpace, My... was sooo last decade. :rolleyes:

Of course, the My Fox branding is *because of* MySpace, which is currently owned by Fox's parent corp. If NewsCorp does sell off MySpace like they've threatened to, I wonder how quickly they'll roll out a new appearance theme and branding to distance themselves from MySpace.

Hmm, what about the current "MyTV" channel they have? Is that also owned by News Corp?

Do you mean MyNetworkTV? If so, yes, that too is owned by NewsCorp.

Hmm, wonder if it'll change things now that News Corp doesn't own MySpace
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43581327/ns/business-us_business/

Well, we're find out, then. Personally, I think it'll take them a few months. Sure, they would have known ahead of time and had time to prepare a new theme package, but I doubt that they'll roll out a new theme package until the fall season.

Yes we are in the spot beam signal strength is 64 on a scale of 100. It works very well here in Fort Wayne. By the way Bill kurtis is back on Wbbm channel 2 news and his side kick is walter Jacobson. He was know in the early years for his editorials at political people and had the Ba__s to do it. Not like the city friendly spineless reporting we have here. A family got raw sewage pumped into their home the newspaper took the story but not one news reporter had the courage to investigate the sewer departments admitted error making them homeless. No ba__s just show us more useless morning live shots of scenery of downtown.

Ah, well, personally, I think the 'my' sounds silly. 'Fox Fort Wayne' would have been accurate and professional sounding.

MyComputer, MyDocuments, MySpace, My... was sooo last decade. :rolleyes:

Noticed last night at 10 PM Jim Blue working on saying WFFT News instead of FOX first at 10 or whatever he used to say.

Just noticed that the programming on 33.2 is in HD.

Charlie Ergen not cooperating so far.

http://www.dropdishinftwayne.com/

Charlie Ergen not cooperating so far.

http://www.dropdishinftwayne.com/

Funny they went to the trouble of making a website that looks independent, but still use the same voice-over as other INC ads. I'm not aware that Dish anywhere carries subchannels. I like how their solution is to drop dish instead of plugging in an antenna.

Also funny that they don't have a similar site because dish doesn't carry the CW or the soon to be gone MyNetwork.

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Funny they went to the trouble of making a website that looks independent, but still use the same voice-over as other INC ads. I'm not aware that Dish anywhere carries subchannels. I like how their solution is to drop dish instead of plugging in an antenna.

Also funny that they don't have a similar site because dish doesn't carry the CW or the soon to be gone MyNetwork.

Registrant:
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3401 Butler Road
Fort Wayne, Indiana 46808
United States

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Domain Name: DROPDISHINFTWAYNE.COM
Created on: 23-Jun-11
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Administrative Contact:
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Indiana's NewsCenter
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Fort Wayne, Indiana 46808
United States
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Well, according to sources Dish does carry subchannels in some areas where one of the four major networks is on a subchannel. Of course this is all about the cash as most everything is these days. No sense pussyfooting around and starting out nice and then escalating, they've dealt with Mr. Ergen before I'm sure.

Well, according to sources Dish does carry subchannels in some areas where one of the four major networks is on a subchannel. Of course this is all about the cash as most everything is these days. No sense pussyfooting around and starting out nice and then escalating, they've dealt with Mr. Ergen before I'm sure.

Yeah, not sure how I feel about it. If Dish has to pay for OTA channels, then in the end, I'm paying for OTA channels, which I can get for free with an antenna.

Well, according to sources Dish does carry subchannels in some areas where one of the four major networks is on a subchannel. Of course this is all about the cash as most everything is these days. No sense pussyfooting around and starting out nice and then escalating, they've dealt with Mr. Ergen before I'm sure.And DISH has delt with many local stations before ... the cooperating ones are carried.

When the first public step is to launch a "dump DISH" campaign it makes it look like DISH is negotiating with terrorists. Carry 33.2 or we'll kill you.

It was NOT DISH's decision to pull the Fox feed from channel 55 (a channel DISH agreed to carry) and put it on 33.2 (a channel DISH cannot carry without permission). Many local stations look to cable and satellite providers as partners helping them reach their viewers ... others just see it as yet another revenue stream.

And DISH has delt with many local stations before ... the cooperating ones are carried.

When the first public step is to launch a "dump DISH" campaign it makes it look like DISH is negotiating with terrorists. Carry 33.2 or we'll kill you.

It was NOT DISH's decision to pull the Fox feed from channel 55 (a channel DISH agreed to carry) and put it on 33.2 (a channel DISH cannot carry without permission). Many local stations look to cable and satellite providers as partners helping them reach their viewers ... others just see it as yet another revenue stream.

And, of course, "cooperating ones" are defined as those that reach a financial agreement with Dish Network. Its really that simple. Dish plays this kind of hardball within minutes of expiring agreements all the time. Stations have every right to play tough right back. Charile's a big boy, he can take it.

I really don't under stand why Dish (Dish's customers) have to pay for something they can get for free. I'd think the stations would welcome Dish with open arms. We all have to thank the first cable/satellite provider who ponied up.

I really don't under stand why Dish (Dish's customers) have to pay for something they can get for free.One has a choice. Pay for an antenna or pay to have someone deliver that content via cable/satellite. Even though I live about 15 miles from the antenna farm I get more reliable reception via satellite than OTA. (LOS is better to satellite than the farm.) And since I'm buying satellite for content that my local stations don't carry getting locals that way is a bonus.

BTW: DISH spends a lot of money to carry local channels ... receive sites, backhauls, uplink centers, more complex satellites ... all stuff that would not be needed if locals were not part of the picture. And then some stations add on their pound of flesh ... "pennies a day" that add up to a lot when every channel makes a demand.

I'd think the stations would welcome Dish with open arms. We all have to thank the first cable/satellite provider who ponied up.And since the regulations do not require the same deal for all providers the pony can be a different size. Some systems may be getting a channel for free or "pennies per month" while others get held up for higher rates.

There needs to be better regulation ... personally I'd prefer a statutory license fee if anything is paid to the station. No negotiating between station and providers ... just a federally set price. That would best serve the consumer. I'd prefer that price to be "free" ... but as long as it is consistent across cable and satellite and across stations a statutory price would be better than "lets see how much we can milk the viewers via their providers".

Dear station: Before my locals were on satellite I found it more convenient to watch other content. If you're not carried I'll learn to live without you. :)

Glad I use a antenna. I'm a Dish customer for many years and generaly happy with it but I don't like getting in the middle of these disputes from time to time. My concern with the FOX change is what quality of picture will we get gong from a station that doesen't have sub channels to one splitting the bandwith three ways.

One has a choice. Pay for an antenna or pay to have someone deliver that content via cable/satellite. Even though I live about 15 miles from the antenna farm I get more reliable reception via satellite than OTA. (LOS is better to satellite than the farm.) And since I'm buying satellite for content that my local stations don't carry getting locals that way is a bonus.

BTW: DISH spends a lot of money to carry local channels ... receive sites, backhauls, uplink centers, more complex satellites ... all stuff that would not be needed if locals were not part of the picture. And then some stations add on their pound of flesh ... "pennies a day" that add up to a lot when every channel makes a demand.

And since the regulations do not require the same deal for all providers the pony can be a different size. Some systems may be getting a channel for free or "pennies per month" while others get held up for higher rates.

There needs to be better regulation ... personally I'd prefer a statutory license fee if anything is paid to the station. No negotiating between station and providers ... just a federally set price. That would best serve the consumer. I'd prefer that price to be "free" ... but as long as it is consistent across cable and satellite and across stations a statutory price would be better than "lets see how much we can milk the viewers via their providers".

Dear station: Before my locals were on satellite I found it more convenient to watch other content. If you're not carried I'll learn to live without you. :)

That, however, destroys free enterprise. You are doing this out of convenience. Now, if they started charging OTA viewers, that is an entirely different story. Quite frankly, I say they should charge at least a buck a month to DirecTV and Dish. Then, being how lazy people are, some would go back to an antenna, but most would stay put and just grumble. And putting up an attic antenna in a home isn't terribly hard for most. And it provides a nicer picture than the pay services (unless they buypass the muxer). What would best serve the consumer is for them to get off their backsides, quit grumbling about something slightly inconvenient, and get a source of TV in so that in an emergency, they aren't greeted by "no signal from satellite". And, as you said above, if you don't like it, then you are certainly free to live without them. :)

Glad I use a antenna. I'm a Dish customer for many years and generaly happy with it but I don't like getting in the middle of these disputes from time to time. My concern with the FOX change is what quality of picture will we get gong from a station that doesen't have sub channels to one splitting the bandwith three ways.

Only two ways as they've discontinued 33-3 for this, for now anyway.

I guess all truckers are living in one state and they have the dish and directv box with them traveling from one state to another. And they watch satellite in their rigs. So. This is theft of service cause the box is addressed to their home in wisconsin but watching tv at Fort Meyers truck stop. Knock on the window of their rigs and tell them their thieves. Iwill visit you in the emergency room at Parkview. Will some of you please get a life?

I guess all truckers are living in one state and they have the dish and directv box with them traveling from one state to another. And they watch satellite in their rigs. So. This is theft of service cause the box is addressed to their home in wisconsin but watching tv at Fort Meyers truck stop. Knock on the window of their rigs and tell them their thieves. Iwill visit you in the emergency room at Parkview. Will some of you please get a life?

Except they have packages for just those type of people.

I was told that most major markets have the locals on the 101 satellite. But have nation wide coverage. so if you live in L.A. and you are in Fort waste you will get locals in standard definition. You must pay five dollars more for the extra receiver. And buy your own dish and mounting hardware. So come on over and try to get my receiver and dish.

The change doesn't bother me really. I got my antenna line plugged into the back of the receiver so the OTA's show up on the guide. Still pay the 5 bucks a month for the locals just so "the info" shows up on the guide.....i'm guessin Dish won't show "the info" for 33.2 on the guide tho.

I guess all truckers are living in one state and they have the dish and directv box with them traveling from one state to another. And they watch satellite in their rigs. So. This is theft of service cause the box is addressed to their home in wisconsin but watching tv at Fort Meyers truck stop. Knock on the window of their rigs and tell them their thieves. Iwill visit you in the emergency room at Parkview. Will some of you please get a life?

If you want good television and Chicago is the one.Then network with a relative or friend and use the extra H.D. box here in this city. you pay them a portion of the bill and you are ready. Chicago stations on the dish and Fort Wayne on the antenna. all you need is a slimline dish installed.
"Network with a relative or friend" to split the cost of the sub is theft of service.

The change doesn't bother me really. I got my antenna line plugged into the back of the receiver so the OTA's show up on the guide. Still pay the 5 bucks a month for the locals just so "the info" shows up on the guide.....i'm guessin Dish won't show "the info" for 33.2 on the guide tho.

They do now.

I am confused with WFFT. And i mean is the station going to provide another network like ME_tv or what. At this point they provide the best H.D. picture in town. No sub carriers. WBBM CBS 2 does the same only one high quality channel. And one more question when are the new Low power stations signing on. The 750foot old WKJG mast has no television transmitt antennas on it. its just to hold the red beacon light. Thats a waste of good tower space. Even an FM antenna would work. especially 106.3 that signal has serious issues. Please run it in mono mode. The stereo carrier is not necessary. and grade b coverage will improve. Go Michael Savage . the truth will set you free.

"Network with a relative or friend" to split the cost of the sub is theft of service.

That is called good tv sense. Your in Middlebury you put up a 80 foot tower with the proper stacked and amped antenna and are watching chicago locals your stealing from the lousey South Bend dma market. And you split the signal and send it next door to your neighbor's house your a good business man.