probably not the right forum but i thought maybe you guys could point me in the right direction.

right now im just feeding mediacom to my tv, springfield basic which is like channels 1-20ish combined with internet. well i can drop tv and even with the package deal going away i'll save 10$ a month, so im thinking of dropping tv and just going with a over the air set up. I have coaxial going to the 2 tvs in the house from wall jacks up into the attic to a splitter, so i can just remove the mediacom feed and plug up a ota. (my brother and i have done all the tv/ethernet cabling in the house)

Now the advice i need part, Is a attic antennea ok? or should i get something to mount on the house? I really dont want to mess with pointing in directions or tweaking alot, kinda hoping for a set up, plug in and go. What or where is a good place to research some antenneas and what do i really need to know?

i live in the middle of town southwest of st johns about 6 streets nearish the park at sunset and national. the 2 tvs are a 42" lcd and a 36 tube, both have digital tuners already in them. thanks.
ARXAW has it right. Although KOLR-10 will switch from channel 52 to 10 in February, I'd bet that a UHF only antenna would work well for you.

The Radio Shack U-75R is cheap ( $30 ) and works well on UHF. I think at your location this antenna would provide an adequate signal on Channel 10.

Of course things would be a little more certain with a VHF / UHF antenna. For $ 5 more plus shipping, it's cheap insurance.

It's interesting how similar the U-75R and CM 2016 are. The added VHF dipole certainly wouldn't hurt anything.

cool. thank you both for the advice.

on that channel master 2016 does anyone local sell that stuff? or is online the best bet?

Only channel master dealer I know of in the region is Common Sense Cellular/TV/Internet, down here in Eureka. There may be something where you live. If not, warren electronics (http://www.warrenelectronics.com/antennas/2016.htm) is a very dependable online source for CM products. I've used them many times and never had a problem. Call their 800# if you have any questions - very helpful folks.

I would definitely get something like the 2016 (http://www.warrenelectronics.com/antennas/2016.htm) that has at least some gain on most VHF channels, vs a UHF-only antenna that doesn't list any VHF gain.

Looks like DishNetwork lit up KOLR & KSFX HD yesterday on satellite. If anyone has a dish pointed at 77w, let us know if they look very good off satellite. I don't have a dish pointed that way yet.

Dish is coming out tomorrow to get me all set up... will let you know! :cool:

Dish is coming out tomorrow to get me all set up... will let you know! :cool:

Are you a new subscriber, or are they just changing you to the eastern arc?

Anyone else having intermittent audio sync and video issues with KSPR-DT? It's been happening off and on for some time now. I see it OTA and friends are having the same problem on DirecTV, on both the HD & 4:3 center cut SD channels.

The video has a herky-jerky motion at times.

Anyone else having intermittent audio sync and video issues with KSPR-DT? It's been happening off and on for some time now. I see it OTA and friends are having the same problem on DirecTV, on both the HD & 4:3 center cut SD channels.

The video has a herky-jerky motion at times.
I've had the same problems on a Magnavox TV with built-in atsc tuner, as well as with at least one converter box. Also, KSPR is the only DTV station I can't record from using a Pinnacle USB stick. The files always end up corrupted.

Anyone else having intermittent audio sync and video issues with KSPR-DT? It's been happening off and on for some time now. I see it OTA and friends are having the same problem on DirecTV, on both the HD & 4:3 center cut SD channels.

The video has a herky-jerky motion at times.

It's smooth here, (OTA, 12:38 PM) but audio seems to be a tad bit ahead of video, around 20-30 ms. But hey, at least it's not the other way around. That drives me bonkers.

Anyone else having intermittent audio sync and video issues with KSPR-DT? It's been happening off and on for some time now. I see it OTA and friends are having the same problem on DirecTV, on both the HD & 4:3 center cut SD channels.

The video has a herky-jerky motion at times.

Yes, very intermittent audio and video. I had set my vista pc to record all the new episodes of 'scrubs' from abc. I didn't know there were any recent problems, but last night I discovered my recordings are all but unwatchable. I'm sorry to say I don't know how long it's been going on, but whenever the first 'scrubs' premiered, it was bad.

Are you a new subscriber, or are they just changing you to the eastern arc?

Adding a new eye to get sat 77w... but it was not completed, will need to till the ground is not frozen to install a higher pole of what they told my wife.:(

FYI:
KSFX NFL game 01-18-09 had Picture dropouts every 15 min or so. I was watching over the air and had dropouts, so I switched to Direct TV HD and it had the same dropouts at the same time. Other than the dropouts the picture looked great all day both ways. :)

KLOR is a different story. Very grainy unless the camera was holding still then it was fairly clear? Direct TV HD was a little better than over the air, Sports is all about motion in focus and clear. The commercials in HD looked great. CBS must be feeding KLOR a poor signal or it is having problems compressing or un compressing the signal from the game? With Fox you could see the faces in the stands, no way with CBS. I will take dropouts and great picture over poor picture and no dropouts anytime.

Quality is the Spice of life.


Lets all email Mike Scott at KY3 (mscott@ky3.com) and beg to have the weather channel turned off for the Super Bowl.

FYI:
KSFX NFL game 01-18-09 had Picture dropouts every 15 min or so. I was watching over the air and had dropouts, so I switched to Direct TV HD and it had the same dropouts at the same time. Other than the dropouts the picture looked great all day both ways. :)

KLOR is a different story. Very grainy unless the camera was holding still then it was fairly clear? Direct TV HD was a little better than over the air, Sports is all about motion in focus and clear. The commercials in HD looked great. CBS must be feeding KLOR a poor signal or it is having problems compressing or un compressing the signal from the game? With Fox you could see the faces in the stands, no way with CBS. I will take dropouts and great picture over poor picture and no dropouts anytime.

Quality is the Spice of life.


Lets all email Mike Scott at KY3 (mscott@ky3.com) and beg to have the weather channel turned off for the Super Bowl.

I agree about KOLR. Very grainy, poor picture when the game is in action.

I agree about KOLR. Very grainy, poor picture when the game is in action.

It was very bad OTA here also. Like watching through mosquito netting. It was that way for the game the previous weekend, but at the time I was thinking it was the uplink from the truck, since commercials and the feed from New York looked good. The motocross race Sunday morning looked even worse than the football game. I couldn't even see the numbers on the bikes.

Lets all email Mike Scott at KY3 (mscott@ky3.com) and beg to have the weather channel turned off for the Super Bowl.

I finally get lucky this Super Bowl. Since it's on NBC I can watch it off of KNWA out of Fayetteville. They only have one subchannel and look markedly better than KYTV out of Springfield. And for reasons only Marconi would understand, KNWA is virtually dropout free even though they are farther from me than Springfield. I'll have to be vigilant and keep my finger on the mute button when they go to local commercials, or my Super Bowl party guests will get frightened and leave due to the horrid crap emanating from my surrounds..:-)

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Lets all email Mike Scott at KY3 (mscott@ky3.com) and beg to have the weather channel turned off for the Super Bowl.

Just remember, he has NO regard for the viewer, all he cares about is how much **** he can put across his channels.


If he cared about quality, he'd make KY3 watchable in all aspects.

I finally get lucky this Super Bowl. Since it's on NBC I can watch it off of KNWA out of Fayetteville. They only have one subchannel and look markedly better than KYTVNo s**t, sherlock. Of the 3 NBCs I get, KYTV-DT is always the channel of last resort for NBC-HD programming.

Like you, I never watch any non-network programming on KNWA-DT, because network audio is fine, but they don't know how to fix their local audio. It is absolutely horrible.

rhoops, what's up with the pixelly fuzzy video on CBS football on KOLR-DT? It's really gone downhill and looks bandwidth-starved like KYTV-DT.

I finally get lucky this Super Bowl. Since it's on NBC I can watch it off of KNWA out of Fayetteville...For anyone interested in an alternate NBC affiliate with better PQ than KYTV-DT:
KNWA-DT, located in NE Benton County, Ark. near the MO border, is receivable in parts of the Springfield/Joplin markets.
http://i44.tinypic.com/sgofpt.jpg

rhoops, what's up with the pixelly fuzzy video on CBS football on KOLR-DT? It's really gone downhill and looks bandwidth-starved like KYTV-DT.
Beats me! I wasn't watching so all I have to go on are the reports I get. CBS did recently switch their distribution format from DVB to DVBS2, so that may be a factor. I expect them to go through several revisions of the firmware in the IRD's over the next few months.

My initial impression is that KOLR's transmission was the same as all the other CBS affiliates. 1080i will never show motion as well as 720p, but it sounds like what you all saw was much worse than that. It could be a problem with the backhaul link.

KSFX-DT is changing the format of some of the intermediate links between the Fox rack and the transmitter. We formerly used ASI and have switched to SMPTE 310M. There may be a configuration error there.

Despite having a year's experience there really aren't any HDTV experts.... not here, not anywhere. It's all a work in progress.

The CW and Weather Channel can only be turned off by the Cabe System if they don't renew their Contract iwth them. S. Dish is your Opinon.

...1080i will never show motion as well as 720p, but it sounds like what you all saw was much worse than that.It was bad. But looked good on the other two CBS affiliates I get, KFSM & KTHV, with KTHV being the best. And both of those stations run sub channels.

It could be a problem with the backhaul link.It's definitely a problem somewhere.

The CW and Weather Channel can only be turned off by the Cabe System if they don't renew their Contract iwth them. S. Dish is your Opinon.

he means KY3's weather channel, KY3 24/7 and the Ozarks CW (3-2 and 3-3)

Mike Scott again has NO regard whatsoever for the viewer and he could give a **** less about our complaints. The only way to send him a clear message is not to watch any of his crap.

American Idol last night had quite a bit of skipping and pixelation at times (probably 20-30 times in an hour). I'm not sure if it was just me, DirecTV, or KSFX.

American Idol last night had quite a bit of skipping and pixelation at times (probably 20-30 times in an hour). I'm not sure if it was just me, DirecTV, or KSFX.

KSPR goes away completely from time to time too. So, pretty much every station in town has issues.

Ya know, digital's got a way to go yet.

rhoops,
The Price is Right looks awful on KOLR-DT today. If the camera pans very much at all, the audience, etc. turns into a pixelly mess. Looks fine on KTHV-DT out of LR.

American Idol last night had quite a bit of skipping and pixelation at times (probably 20-30 times in an hour). I'm not sure if it was just me, DirecTV, or KSFX.

American Idol was doing the same thing w/ me so it must be KSFX. I thought I was going to have to go up on the roof and check things out but I guess not.

Hello. Long time lurker, first-time poster. I've gotten lots of great info on here. I have been having the same problems with KOLR and KSFX down here in Branson. I receive the Springfield channels OTA hooked up through a dish VIP211K box using 2 diplexers and an antenna on my roof. Last Saturday I began to notice the very poor quality on KOLR during college basketball. It was very fuzzy, especially on movement. I've never seen HDTV that bad before. Over on KSFX, it was pretty choppy, there sometimes, not there at others. I thought it was my hookup, so I went to my office. I have an HDTV setup through Suddenlink cable there. This morning, The Price is Right looked as terrible as the basketball game did on Saturday. So I knew it wasn't on my end since I was having the same problem at both locations. BUT now, I can't receive KOLR or KSFX AT ALL at my house. NOTE: I have been receiving these two stations (since they went full power)fine until last week. I still get all of the other Springfield digitals. Just wondering what could be wrong with the Nexstar stations.

Side note that's really not important: I used to be an employee at Nexstar, at KSNF in Joplin. Still have their 401k plan:eek:!

Welcome to the forum, ozarkman.

I'm much farther to the Southwest of the Fordland towers than you are - virtually on the edge of their predicted coverage areas. I haven't noticed any change in KOLR-DT or KSFX-DT's signal strength lately. The biggest problem I've seen lately is the awful pixelization that's developed on KOLR-DT, during camera pans and/or fast motion scenes on CBS network programming. It must be a problem somewhere between CBS & the KOLR transmitter, because I do not see it on the other two CBS affilates I receive - one from Ft Smith and the other from Little Rock. It's probably a decoder or encoder problem.

On your weak signal problem, about the only thing you can do is check all your coax connectors and antenna orientation. If you have an amp, it may have gone bad, or the power supply might be unplugged.

Have you tested the signal with a regular DTV OTA tuner, to rule out a problem with your dish receivers? If your TVs don't have OTA tuners, borrow a DTV converter box from a friend or buy one at full price and return it after testing.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2339487,00.asp?kc=PCRSS03069TX1K0001121

Sounds like they're going to delay the mandatory shutoff to June 12, but still allow voluntary shutoffs. (?)

Talk about confusing....

rhoops,
The Price is Right looks awful on KOLR-DT today. If the camera pans very much at all, the audience, etc. turns into a pixelly mess. Looks fine on KTHV-DT out of LR.
Our engineers watched it Friday and agree with you. We're just not sure what to do about it other than re-boot the Tandberg encoder, which I did at 2:30 PM Friday. The ASI out of the CBS rack looked OK.

The CBS setup uses the Tandberg all the time. The Fox setup bypasses the Tandberg when in HD. Trying to fix this is a little bit like changing the tire on a moving car, with 200,000 people watching.

Power on both DT's is nominal 97 and 98%. Analog is perking along at 50%.

KOLR has received the new equipment to put TV Guide / Macrovision information on the DTV stream. The equipment uses a VPN router and connects via the internet cloud. They will also be able to remotely monitor the off air signal.


The current TV Guide Onscreen equipment is a very old unit with a phone line connecton and it is on the KSFX analog video signal.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2339487,00.asp?kc=PCRSS03069TX1K0001121

Sounds like they're going to delay the mandatory shutoff to June 12, but still allow voluntary shutoffs. (?)

Talk about confusing....
I'd think if Nexstar has a choice they would shut down the analog. We're talking about more than $ 5,000 / month savings on the electric bill.

Our engineers watched it Friday and agree with you. We're just not sure what to do about it other than re-boot the Tandberg encoder, which I did at 2:30 PM Friday. The ASI out of the CBS rack looked OK.

The CBS setup uses the Tandberg all the time. The Fox setup bypasses the Tandberg when in HD. Trying to fix this is a little bit like changing the tire on a moving car, with 200,000 people watching.[LOL - good analogy]
Fox has the better idea. Don't they also lock the bandwidth available for their prime channel, leaving the affiliates a small chunk to play with as sub-channel(s)?

KTHV-DT 12 (11-n) in Little Rock had the same problem until recently. Dunno what they did to fix it, but they did. I think they use a Tandberg encoder - they used to. If possible, try contacting Alison Fletcher, at kTHV: 501 376-1111
Fax: 501 376-3324

Or send her a PM (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/private.php?do=newpm&u=7456923) on AVSForum.

Power on both DT's is nominal 97 and 98%. Analog is perking along at 50%.So, splitting the siamese twins was a success? Analog still looks fine 70+ miles out. Not that I watch it.

IF the analog shutoff date actually gets postponed to June 12, do you think it's going to be voluntary for a station to keep their analog xmtrs on life support until then? The article posted above left me wondering....

IF the analog shutoff date actually gets postponed to June 12, do you think it's going to be voluntary for a station to keep their analog xmtrs on life support until then? The article posted above left me wondering....I saw a press release today from Sen. Rockefeller saying that the amended Act "reaffirms a broadcasters' right to make the transition before June 12" which I take to mean a broadcaster can still shut down analog on Feb. 17.

Ozarks Public Television will be hosting a DTV Open House on Friday, January 30 from noon to 5pm at OPT's studios in Strong Hall at Missouri State University.

Most or all of you reading this are unlikely to need any help, but if you know anyone who needs questions answered or help hooking up their converter box, let them know.

OPT will also be hosting a town hall meeting in early February about the DTV transition with representatives from the FCC. More information available later.

If you have DirecTV and receive locals from a 2nd dish aimed at 72.5° sometime in 2009 DirecTV will be changing out any MPEG2 receivers you have with MPEG4 receivers. You will also get a new MPEG4 Slimline dish that receives the 99, 101 & 103° sats, if you don't already have one. Once the migration from 72.5 is complete, you will no longer need a 2nd dish for locals.

This will be mandatory if you want to keep getting locals from D*. There will be no charge and no new programming commitments for the equipment changeout.

More info here:
http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/customer/faqPage.jsp?assetId=P5370034

I don't watch weekend TV, so I would appreciate any reports on the quality of KSFX and KOLR HD this past weekend.

FYI:
Lets all email Mike Scott at KY3 (mscott@ky3.com) and beg to have the weather channel turned off for the Super Bowl.

Here is Mike's response:

We are looking at a couple of possibilities to allocate more bandwidth to KY3 during the Super Bowl.

Also, just to let you know, we will be moving the CW over to KSPR’s digital signal in the near future. This should improve the picture quality of the CW, KY3 24/7, and KY3.



Michael A. Scott

President/General Manager

KY3, Inc.

I don't watch weekend TV, so I would appreciate any reports on the quality of KSFX and KOLR HD this past weekend.

The Game I watched on KLOR looked great.


KSFX still pixilating at times on Direct TV and Over the Air.

Do any of your stations down here care about HD? Honestly, I am getting sick of HD programming being pushed down to an SD feed for a pointless crawl. Back home before stations had HD capability they would just butt in during commercials. KOAM is squeezing the content and filling half the damn screen with crap and KSNF is giving me a window boxed picture with multiple pointless crawls.

Do any of your stations down here care about HD? Honestly, I am getting sick of HD programming being pushed down to an SD feed for a pointless crawl. Back home before stations had HD capability they would just butt in during commercials. KOAM is squeezing the content and filling half the damn screen with crap and KSNF is giving me a window boxed picture with multiple pointless crawls.
KOLR-DT can put the weather bug or a crawl over HD.

KOLR-DT can put the weather bug or a crawl over HD.

I believe that was the only channel that had an undisturbed HD feed, I didn't see a crawl on it.

I've seen KSPR-DT (abc) do HD overlays. I've flipped over to that station when KHOG-DT (abc) in Fayetteville went to 4:3 for weather overlays.

I do wish KSPR-DT would get their lip sync and other intermittent video problems fixed, though.

I've seen KSPR-DT (abc) do HD overlays. I've flipped over to that station when KHOG-DT (abc) in Fayetteville went to 4:3 for weather overlays.

I do wish KSPR-DT would get their lip sync and other intermittent video problems fixed, though.
Fox Network claims to have the solution for supering over their HD figured out and it will be distributed to the stations "real soon now". Whatever that means. Fox affiliates just pass network through to the transmitter and currently the only thing stations can do is super a .jpeg logo that they load into the Fox equipment.

Just an FYI for Dish Network users....according to a latest announcement that are now pushing out HD locals now. Be curious to see how they look.

I'll still use OTA but it'll be nice when I've got several shows to record and need that extra source.

The postponement of the digital transition will certainly be passed. They spew all of this "people won't get EAS messages or Amber alerts" nonsense as if television is the only way people can be notified in an emergency. After several years of notifications people still choose to put it off until the last second. What will happen in June when they find the same dumb people haven't bothered to update? The whole postponement is a total joke.

Enough of the soapbox! I was wondering what the local TV station's plans were for pulling the trigger or not between Feb 17 and June 12? The option is for any TV station to make the switch at their descression. This will certainly do more harm than good, since TV stations will willy-nilly make the change whenever they feel like it. TV watchers will be even more confused when they wake up to see Channel X is gone but everything else is there! I don't see how it can work. Then as someone else mentioned, some DTV post-conversion channels are being used by current Analog broadcasts so all of that will need to be worked out.

I guess my short question, is there a plan for the Springfield market, or is everyone going to wait until June?

Sorry, I am totally irritated they screwed the whole pooch on this deal.

The postponement of the digital transition will certainly be passed. They spew all of this "people won't get EAS messages or Amber alerts" nonsense as if television is the only way people can be notified in an emergency. After several years of notifications people still choose to put it off until the last second. What will happen in June when they find the same dumb people haven't bothered to update? The whole postponement is a total joke.

Enough of the soapbox! I was wondering what the local TV station's plans were for pulling the trigger or not between Feb 17 and June 12? The option is for any TV station to make the switch at their descression. This will certainly do more harm than good, since TV stations will willy-nilly make the change whenever they feel like it. TV watchers will be even more confused when they wake up to see Channel X is gone but everything else is there! I don't see how it can work. Then as someone else mentioned, some DTV post-conversion channels are being used by current Analog broadcasts so all of that will need to be worked out.

I guess my short question, is there a plan for the Springfield market, or is everyone going to wait until June?

Sorry, I am totally irritated they screwed the whole pooch on this deal.

I'm from the Government and here to help you! :rolleyes:

arxaw how is the weather in NW Arkansas ?

I guess my short question, is there a plan for the Springfield market, or is everyone going to wait until June?
KOLR / KSFX will probably keep the analog on until June 12 unless all other stations in the market agree to a date sooner.

KY3 and DirecTV have finally gotten their collective heads out of you know where...

http://www.ky3.com/news/local/38488494.html

Hopefully the pic quality isn't complete crap...

As has been stated many times before, the uplink is at KY3, so if anyone could provide an unadulterated feed, it would be KY3, since D* uses off air for the others, not sure how easy it would be to mix in a direct feed. Rhoops?

KY3 and DirecTV have finally gotten their collective heads out of you know where...

http://www.ky3.com/news/local/38488494.html

Hopefully the pic quality isn't complete crap...

Awesome! My wife just said she heard this on the news, and I was coming here to post it.

I apologize if this had already been addressed, but I don't get any audio for KSPR. I used too when it started to first broadcast. Is this just me or what? KY3, KOLR, and KSFX come in just fine.

Thanks for any info.

As has been stated many times before, the uplink is at KY3, so if anyone could provide an unadulterated feed, it would be KY3, since D* uses off air for the others, not sure how easy it would be to mix in a direct feed. Rhoops?
It would probably be more expedient to take them off air. Both Dish and DirectTV have remotely tunable receivers at KYTV.

Strangely enough splitting a digital signal is not easy or cheap. The digital version of a distribution amplifer is a very special piece of equipment.

KSPR started running promos that they're going on 2/25 if not sooner. I just saw a promo not 10 minutes ago that they've picked that date.

And if I heard correctly, KOAM, Pittsburg/Joplin, announced on their news last night that they would be going digital only as of midnight Feb. 17th, the FCC permitting.

arxaw how is the weather in NW Arkansas ?

I was wondering the same thing. I've lost OTA reception of KNWA 51, both analog and digital, and also 34 (don't know the call letters) out of Eureka Springs. KHOG 29 analog is still on, but it's a carrier with no mod, not even a slate. I'm guessing the studio is down, but the transmitter is still with power. I'm close to the state line, and although the trees are iced here, apparently northern Arkansas took the brunt of the storm. (Had to clear ice off my E* dish a couple of times yesterday) Hope all is well with arxaw.

Edit: KGOG 29 analog is back with programming at 2:30 PM

I haven't been able to find an answer to this question yet and was wondering if anyone had any input. When will KY3 publish the CW programming guide. I am using Vista Media center guide for my setup and the CW guide data is still unavailable. Thanks for any information!

I'm supposed to be moving to Eastern Arc and the 1000.4 next Thursday. I'm very shocked that Dish put up Springfield, but very happy. If they'd only add KY3 and KSPR i'd be set. Ability to record 3 local HD at once will be a welcome change!

Looks like we're back on for Feb. 17th:


DTV Delay Bill Torpedoed By Congress

House Republicans marshaled sufficient opposition to legislation to postpone the switch to digital TV to June.
By W. David Gardner
InformationWeek
January 28, 2009 04:35 PM

The effort to delay the switch from analog to digital TV broadcasting was torpedoed -- at least temporarily -- Wednesday by House Republicans who marshaled opposition to legislation to postpone the switch from Feb. 17 to June. The delay was supported by President Obama and by a unanimous vote in the Senate earlier this week.
The transition to DTV has been planned for many months, but the effort has been plagued by a series of problems. Many consumers who receive over-the-air broadcasts complain they haven't been able to get coupons for the converter boxes which would enable them to receive digital signals on their old TVs. Many $40 coupons issued by the federal government expired before consumers used them and at least one million citizens with analog sets are still waiting for coupons and converters.

The Friday ITch -- Season 2, Episode 2
Many Republicans have opposed delaying the transition date and Rep. Joe Barton, minority chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, led the drive against delay in the House. The switch actually received a majority of votes in its favor, but it didn't garner the two-thirds majority it needed.
"In my opinion, we could do nothing worse than to delay this transition date," said Barton, according to media reports. "The bill is a solution looking for a problem that exists mostly in the mind of the Obama administration."

The measure has been the subject of partisan bickering for weeks. Former Federal Communications Commission chairman Kevin Martin, a Republican, had urged that the Feb. 17 date be kept, but Democrats complained the FCC hadn't made proper plans for the switchover. Senator Amy Klobucher, who said 21% of her Minnesota constituents must switch to digital, said: "Unfortunately, after guarantees that the Bush Administration would adequately prepare and protect consumers, only recently did they reveal that funding has run out -- just weeks before the plug is pulled on analog TV."

The debate over the switch is a distraction as official Washington grapples with a severe economic meltdown that continues to grow.

The House could revisit the issue next week and pass amendments that would make the switch more palpable to Republican members. Then it would have to go back to the Senate where Senator Klobucher and Senator Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia have spearheaded the effort to delay the switch.

In addition to a shortage of converter coupons, staffing for help centers has not been adequately funded so consumers seeking help may not be able to get it. In some test regions -- in Hawaii and Wilmington, N.C., in particular -- some consumers have complained they can't get any broadcast reception at all, particularly in rural areas. The confusion has caused some consumers to purchase cable and satellite reception, but that is not an option for many low-income and elderly consumers.

And if I heard correctly, KOAM, Pittsburg/Joplin, announced on their news last night that they would be going digital only as of midnight Feb. 17th, the FCC permitting.

I was very glad to hear that! I see no reason to wait unless the stations need the extra time for some reason. I've been working on being ready for a year now, and am actually looking forward to it, because I think my signals will improve when the analog shuts down. I have theories. :D

Otherwise, KOAM and KFJX digital signals are off at my house due to ice on the broadcast antenna, since yesterday. I just checked, and they are starting to come back, amid lots of pixalisation but I doubt they'll be any good for another day or two, since it's still so cold the ice won't melt much more today. Meanwhile, the analog signals are excellent. :cool:

I haven't been able to find an answer to this question yet and was wondering if anyone had any input. When will KY3 publish the CW programming guide. I am using Vista Media center guide for my setup and the CW guide data is still unavailable. Thanks for any information!

Try asking Mike Scott at KY3 (mscott@ky3.com)

Or try http://www.titantv.com if you want a online version.

because I think my signals will improve when the analog shuts down. I have theories. :D

Maybe once analog is shut down all the wash from kode 12 will reduce problems with the digital feed on 13?


Does anyone know if KOAM has actually done any testing of the Digital signal on CH 7 (late at night or otherwise) or is it just a supposition that everything is going to be Jim Dandy post transition?

Maybe once analog is shut down all the wash from kode 12 will reduce problems with the digital feed on 13?


Does anyone know if KOAM has actually done any testing of the Digital signal on CH 7 (late at night or otherwise) or is it just a supposition that everything is going to be Jim Dandy post transition?
They couldn't radiate a signal, but can test it by feeding a dummy load instead of an antenna.

Maybe once analog is shut down all the wash from kode 12 will reduce problems with the digital feed on 13?

That's a good one. :cool:

Actually, I also hope that when the analog is gone, KODE and KSNF will somehow come in better. Or at all. I still don't understand how KODE can come in crystal clear on Analog, and be impossible for me to get more than brief seconds of on digital. It's along the same path as the KOZJ, which has been perfect for a year now, other than little things. I still hope it's a low signal, in spite of what I've heard about it, and will increase or just be clear of interference after the change.

Hope springs eternal. :p

arxaw how is the weather in NW Arkansas ?Thanks for asking. It's bad, but where I live got more sleet than freezing rain, unlike points East & South of here. Eureka, Berryville & Harrison were hit very hard. I had no damage other than a few pine branches down in the yard. Power was restored out here yesterday afternoon, but much of Eureka Springs is still without power. Downtown ES, and Berryville look like a war zone.

Maybe once analog is shut down all the wash from kode 12 will reduce problems with the digital feed on 13? Adjacent channel interference can be a problem. Some tuners are better than others at rejecting interference from other channels.

Something else that may (or may not) help: KAFT analog 13 (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=TV1126083.html) in NW Ark. will go dark on 2/17.

Hello everybody, longtime lurker and have gotten a lot of useful information off of here. I'm north of Lebanon a few miles, and get all over the air with amplified rabbit ears. All signal strengths at 100% except kolr which varies from 78 to 90%.

now for my question. Does anybody know where to find the 3-D glasses for Monday's Chuck? Not exactly technical, but I thought somebody might know.

Look at the Pepsi display at Smitty's, Jpw =)

... I'm north of Lebanon a few miles, and get all over the air with amplified rabbit ears. All signal strengths at 100% except kolr which varies from 78 to 90%.I have one TV on an unamp'd rabbit ear/loop antenna. KOLR-DT will not always come in for me on that set.

KOLR-DT will move from high UHF channel 52 back down to high VHF channel 10, after analog shuts down. If you currently get halfway decent reception of analog 10 (which is running at low power right now), your reception of KOLR-DT may improve at that time.

A good length to extend the rabbit ear dipoles for VHF ch 10 is ~43" each. If yours won't extend that long, try half that, or 21½" each. Lay the dipoles down horizontally flat and perpendicularly to the tower. If they won't lay horizontally, try a 45° angle.

I have no idea what kind of reception I get on Analog! Before dish network had the locals 6 or 7 years ago, I got everything great except of KY-3, then locals came along. A couple of years ago, when I got the 622 box, I hooked up an the old rabbit ears, and everything has been good since. KOLR is always watchable, but higher is better on signal strength, that's for sure.

Thanks for the tip about Smitty's, will go check it out.

Smitty's in Lebanon have the glasses, somewhere up front

...Before dish network had the locals 6 or 7 years ago, I got everything great except of KY-3...If you got KOLR analog good then, you should get it fine when they move to VHF 10, assuming you're using the same antenna you used for analog, before dish added locals.

DIRECTV - New HD Channels launched today
Springfield MO: KYTV Ch 3 (NBC)
I set my Dierctv hd dvr to native and 3 is comming in at 1080i
KOLR 10 is also 1080i
KOZK and KSFX and KSPR are 720p
So unless they turn off 3-3, the Super Bowl may be 720p over the air and 1080i on Direct TV.

DIRECTV - New prices take effect March 4, 2009.

For a complete list of changes, please review the following URL:
http://customerinfo.directv.com/dire...TE-090127proof

Man oh man, what an ice storm. Just got power back on tonight. Lost it on Monday night............

Looks like a war zone around here.............

DIRECTV - New HD Channels launched today
Springfield MO: KYTV Ch 3 (NBC)
I set my Dierctv hd dvr to native and 3 is comming in at 1080i
KOLR 10 is also 1080i
KOZK and KSFX and KSPR are 720p
So unless they turn off 3-3, the Super Bowl may be 720p over the air and 1080i on Direct TV.KYTV-DT 3-1 (nbc) is always 1080i. It's poor quality, but it's 1080i. Good luck watching the SB on it.

KNWA-DT (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT1006433.html) (nbc) in NW Ark. is back on the air, having recovered from ice storm damage. I'll be watching it instead of KYTV because their picture quality is much better on sports.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but KY-3 will have to show the game in Standard Definition to show the school closings in Arkansas. Before the ice storm ever hit, I always told my wife, KYTV news was "Number one in Arkansas"

I better be wrong!

Maybe once analog is shut down all the wash from kode 12 will reduce problems with the digital feed on 13? KAFT analog 13 in NWA is currently off the air due to the ice storm. Is your reception any better on digital 13?

Man oh man, what an ice storm. Just got power back on tonight. Lost it on Monday night.....Hey Arkie, glad your power is back. I hope you didn't have much damage at your place. How did your OTA antenna fare? My CM4228 withstood the layers of ice with no damage.

...KY-3 will have to show the game in Standard Definition to show the school closings in Arkansas.If they do, and if you're within or near this coverage area (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT1006433.html), point your antenna in the direction of KNWA-DT (nbc-hd) and rescan for digital channels.

I'm not, would have a better chance with Columbia, MO.

btw, I'm not trying to Dis anybody in Arkansas over my KY-3 Slam. When I've been to Eureka, the channels from Springfield are available, but everybody watches the Arkansas channels.

If KYTV does do that, I wouldn't want to be on the switchboard there.

I'm not, would have a better chance with Columbia, MO.

btw, I'm not trying to Dis anybody in Arkansas over my KY-3 Slam. When I've been to Eureka, the channels from Springfield are available, but everybody watches the Arkansas channels.
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There are large parts of North Arkansas where the only channels available are the Springfield stations, with no other option available. Just about everyone I know around here watches KY3 and has for generations.

Fred Miller, Tom Dye, Tony Beason, Ned Reynolds...... household names around here...............

Hey Arkie, glad your power is back. I hope you didn't have much damage at your place. How did your OTA antenna fare? My CM4228 withstood the layers of ice with no damage.


I got part of a tree on my house, and just about every other large tree in my yard was riddled. The antenna made it fine, although most of my neighbors had theirs broken in half.....

On the bright side, I should be able to pull KHOGDT a lot better this summer. LOL

It looks like Mike "NoRegard for the Viewer" Scott took 3-3 off the air for the Super Bowl. Maybe I should change his name to Mike "Very Little Regard for the Viewer" Scott

There are large parts of North Arkansas where the only channels available are the Springfield stations, with no other option available. Just about everyone I know around here watches KY3 and has for generations.

Fred Miller, Tom Dye, Tony Beason, Ned Reynolds...... household names around here...............

I stand corrected, thanks for the info.

I just had to laugh when their news kept bringing up church and minister down in Fouke. Kept thinking, man, they sure do keep bringing this up a lot. I'm sure Fouke is not in the ky-3 viewing area. Must have been slow news days

I guess my question was lost in the fold so I will post again:

I apologize if this had already been addressed, but I don't get any audio for KSPR. I used too when it started to first broadcast. Is this just me or what? KY3, KOLR, and KSFX come in just fine.

Thanks for any info.

Update since last post: I know I get audio on KSPR because a commercial just came through fine. BUT the main programming has no sound. I just need to know if others are having problems or if I'm just going crazy.

Ozarks Public Television will host a town hall meeting about the DTV transition on Thursday, February 5th at 7pm. Representatives from the FCC will be there as well as GMs from all the Springfield stations.

It will be held in the artrium of Strong Hall on the Missouri State University campus. The event is free and open to the public.

I guess my question was lost in the fold so I will post again:

I apologize if this had already been addressed, but I don't get any audio for KSPR. I used too when it started to first broadcast. Is this just me or what? KY3, KOLR, and KSFX come in just fine.

Thanks for any info.

Update since last post: I know I get audio on KSPR because a commercial just came through fine. BUT the main programming has no sound. I just need to know if others are having problems or if I'm just going crazy.
KSPR sounds fine at my home on both OTA and Mediacom HD. I suspect your set has audio settings "per channel", and they somehow got screwed up on KSPR. There are 8 audio channels involved: 5.1 and two additional channels. There may also be a setting to send optical audio to an external audio system.

My DVD player sends HDMI to my set and when the settings aren't exactly right I get no audio. I've lost audio from the DVD several times and have to re-learn how to fix it each time.

Thanks for the reply Rhoops. I do have it going optical out to a receiver, all other channels are fine KY3 etc.... but I have the actual television speaker off. When I turn it on it I can hear KSPR, only on the television speaker though. It's almost like it's not the same signal as the other channels.

but you answered my question, that it's on my end.

Thank you.

If congress puts off the digital transition, does anyone know if the local stations will shut down their analog?

If congress puts off the digital transition, does anyone know if the local stations will shut down their analog?
The thinking at KOLR / KSFX is that we wouldn't want to be the only ones shutting off early. I don't think we would shut off the analog unless all the other stations do. If one station breaks the mold and shuts down I think the others will fold up like a house of cards.

My rough back of an envelope calculation shows a savings of $ 5 - 7 K / month by turning off two full power analog stations. Actually we would shut down 52 and 27 and fire up 10 DTV, which uses a lot less electrictiy.

The thinking at KOLR / KSFX is that we wouldn't want to be the only ones shutting off early. I don't think we would shut off the analog unless all the other stations do. If one station breaks the mold and shuts down I think the others will fold up like a house of cards.

My rough back of an envelope calculation shows a savings of $ 5 - 7 K / month by turning off two full power analog stations. Actually we would shut down 52 and 27 and fire up 10 DTV, which uses a lot less electrictiy.

Again, KSPR has already said they're going either 2/17 or 2/25. Trip in VA found the filing with the FCC and I've seen the viewer notifications on KSPR about it.

I have to give Kudos to KY3 and NBC tonight! The Superbowl game looked awesome in HD! I was worried after how bad the Olympics looked in HD recently! Good Job KY3. Thank you. :o

I have to give Kudos to KY3 and NBC tonight! The Superbowl game looked awesome in HD! I was worried after how bad the Olympics looked in HD recently! Good Job KY3. Thank you. :o

I thought it looked really good, but I didn't get it in Dolby 5.1, just Dolby stereo. Did that happen to anyone else? I watched it through DirecTV.

...Fred Miller, Tom Dye, Tony Beason, Ned Reynolds...... household names around here...............Who?
Seriously, it's different in Carroll County. Most people over here watch NWA stations now. A long time ago they didn't. But a long time ago there were no NWA transmitters - they were all down in the Ft Smith area. So, reception of Ark. TV was next to impossible.

If congress puts off the digital transition, does anyone know if the local stations will shut down their analog?KHBS and KHOG in Fayetteville, Ark. will be shutting down analog on 2/17. KFTA analog is already dark, due to transmitter failure. So I imagine the other NWA stations will follow. I imagine KAFT analog will shut down, since AETN is short of money and that analog station may interfere with KFJX 13 in Joplin, when they flash cut on 2/17. It will be interesting to see what all the Jop/Springfield stations do.

I have to give Kudos to KY3 and NBC tonight! The Superbowl game looked awesome in HD! I was worried after how bad the Olympics looked in HD recently! Good Job KY3. Thank you. :oAmazing what more bandwidth can do for a football game in HD. They should leave ky3 24/7 permanently off. The weather forecast on it is often a rerun from the day before, anyway.

The thinking at KOLR / KSFX is that we wouldn't want to be the only ones shutting off early.I hope you do shut off analog on 2/17. I'm anxious to see if I get KFTA-DT (RF 27) after KSFX 27 shuts down.

Who?
Seriously, it's different in Carroll County. Most people over here watch NWA stations now. A long time ago they didn't. But a long time ago there were no NWA transmitters - they were all down in the Ft Smith area. So, reception of Ark. TV was next to impossible.


To add to what you say, there is a difference between Western Carroll County and Eastern Carroll County. I would bet Green Forest/Berryville tunes into Springfield news more than NWA.

It would be an interesting survey. In Harrison, where I grew up, with cable we got both Little Rock and Springfield stations. I would bet 90% here watch Springfield news/weather. We used to turn it over to LR for sports some to catch Razorback news.

With satellite many here have no option but Springfield locals for news.

I thought it looked really good, but I didn't get it in Dolby 5.1, just Dolby stereo. Did that happen to anyone else? I watched it through DirecTV.

KY3 is not broadcasting DD 5.1. They are supposed to begin 5.1 when the transition takes place. The cheif engineer at the time told me it was because a lot of the cable companies were using their digital signal and not the analog and they were having trouble with the audio so KY3 turned it off. I don't see why this is a problem. KSFX, KOLR, both broadcast 5.1 and it's not a problem. We will see what happens on the 17th.

KAFT analog 13 in NWA is currently off the air due to the ice storm. Is your reception any better on digital 13?

Not that I could notice/measure. During the winter I have enough signal that it's usually not a problem.

I do, however, live about a mile away from the KODE tower...

To add to what you say, there is a difference between Western Carroll County and Eastern Carroll County. I would bet Green Forest/Berryville tunes into Springfield news more than NWA.I'm in B'vlle pretty often. Most of the rooftop antennas are pointed SW toward Fayetteville/Winslow, not Fordland. Not sure about Green Forest, as I rarely go over there.

In Harrison, where I grew up, with cable we got both Little Rock and Springfield stations. The Eureka/Berryville cable systems carry stations from LR, Fayetteville and Springfield.

... If one station breaks the mold and shuts down I think the others will fold up like a house of cards.Looks like KSPR has broken the mold:
http://www.rabbitears.info/termlist.php
Above list is updated often.

Looks like KSPR has broken the mold:
http://www.rabbitears.info/termlist.php
Above list is updated often.
Assuming congress actually passes the delay bill, KYTV plans to file for March 17th. Evidently the FCC requires a one month notice. We will probably know in a day or two what the Nexstar stations will do.

We're currently installing the TV Guide Onscreen equipment and the signal will be carried on KOLR-DT. It uses a VPN internet connection where the old one used dial-up.

Also the AT & T terminal equipment is in place but not yet activated. They installed the fiber many months ago. At some point AT & T U-Verse will be coming to Springfield, but they seem to move very slowly.

I'm in B'vlle pretty often. Most of the rooftop antennas are pointed SW toward Fayetteville/Winslow, not Fordland. Not sure about Green Forest, as I rarely go over there.


There is no doubt, the Harrison and Mountain Home areas are solidly in the Springfield camp. Harrisonites would surely miss access to the LR locals though, because of Razorback sports.

As for me, I actually prefer the NWArk channels. I honestly don't think most over here even know how strong KNWA and KFSM signals are in Boone County. If they did, you might see more antenna pointed SW around here as well.

are the local hdtv channels out of springfield planning on boosting their power any further after they switch off the sdtv side?

are the local hdtv channels out of springfield planning on boosting their power any further after they switch off the sdtv side?
Not that I know of. Everyone is running full licensed power. KOLR will turn off the DTV on Channel 52 and go digital on channel 10. This will give us quite an increase in antenna height, as the channel 10 antenna is actually the top 100 feet or so of the 2000 ft high tower.

When channel 33 moves off the tower there will be an opportunity for KSFX-DT to move several hundred feet up the tower. The money and enginering haven't been allocated for that yet, but it is a reasonable thing to do.

Antenna height can make a much larger difference than an increase in power.

Congress just passed this and it's on the way to the President's desk. He's expected to sign it.

So the day I get my outside install done ,91xg & 1713, they delay it. Kind of sucks. The install today was able to pull in ksn digital Joplin which my attic install 4228 (to another room and tv), never was.It maybe time to get that thing outside. Im able to pull in channel 27 analog ksfx Springfield during the day as apposed to early morning I looking forward to waking up and seeing what stations I can pull in :eek:.

Antenna height can make a much larger difference than an increase in power.Definitely true. I get KOZK-DT better than some of the other Springfield stations it is higher than. And it's only 100kW ERP.

Congress just passed this and it's on the way to the President's desk. He's expected to sign it.I read that Schurz stations are still cutting analog off on 2/17, regardless of what the idiots in Washington do to create a train wreck. Is KOLR-DT still going to move to ch 10 on 2/18?

A few questions about ky-3

1. Why do they turn off the HD on the nightly news before it is over?

2. Why does Wheel of Fortune say HD, but it has vertical bars on both sides?

3. Why do some shows say HD where available and they are not shown in HD on Channel 3? For instance, Ellen?

Thanks for replies!

Is KOLR-DT still going to move to ch 10 on 2/18?
There are several layers of "deciders" above my pay grade, but I don't think that can happen. I hear you need to give the FCC 30 days notice and that we couldn't switch before 3/17.

Nexstar corporate has to read the new law, consult with the Washington DC law firm and decide what they want to do.

At this point management only know that this calls for serious and immediate discussion.

A few questions about ky-3

1. Why do they turn off the HD on the nightly news before it is over?

2. Why does Wheel of Fortune say HD, but it has vertical bars on both sides?

3. Why do some shows say HD where available and they are not shown in HD on Channel 3? For instance, Ellen?

Thanks for replies!
Same as Entertainment Tonight and all syndicated programming. It's produced in HD, but sent out in HD and SD versions. The network programming comes down in real time but syndicated programming has to be delayed and that takes special equipment which most stations don't have.

I air syndicated programming on my trusty 15 year old Beta decks. There is more involved than just the recorders. It takes HD satellite receivers, HD routing equipment and an HD switcher. Altogether about half a million dollars per station. That's just not going to happen anytime soon.

The revenue stream hasn't increased any with the transition to DTV, but the costs are very high.

There are several layers of "deciders" above my pay grade, but I don't think that can happen. I hear you need to give the FCC 30 days notice and that we couldn't switch before 3/17.

Nexstar corporate has to read the new law, consult with the Washington DC law firm and decide what they want to do.

At this point management only know that this calls for serious and immediate discussion.

I've seen a number of stations filing later than that to go on February 17. I get the feeling that some of the lawyers up there think that because the stations have been providing the viewer notifications and already had some type of blanket authorization due to the forced date that the FCC will let it go.

Of course, there's no guarantees on that.

- Trip

Same as Entertainment Tonight and all syndicated programming. It's produced in HD, but sent out in HD and SD versions. The network programming comes down in real time but syndicated programming has to be delayed and that takes special equipment which most stations don't have.

I air syndicated programming on my trusty 15 year old Beta decks. There is more involved than just the recorders. It takes HD satellite receivers, HD routing equipment and an HD switcher. Altogether about half a million dollars per station. That's just not going to happen anytime soon.

The revenue stream hasn't increased any with the transition to DTV, but the costs are very high.

Mulemuffins! No Regard has found creative ways to make money off of his digital stream, so that arguement doesn't fly with me.

<rant mode>

Okay, Nexstar, I'm getting a little sick of this 'we don't have the money', yet they can buy a Piece of junk station in Little Rock, upgrade it WITH HD EQUIPMENT, but totally IGNORE viewers in a long established market that has a faster growth rate?

C'mon, Nexstar, you guys are beginning to sound like No Regard Scott over at Channel 3.

Some of us have found creative ways to avoid rewarding your bad behavior and lack of regard for the viewer.

Some of us might actually watch your product IF you give us what we want. Nexstar appearantly only cares about Little Rock and to hell with viewers in any market smaller.

SD is no longer good enough and I, for one do not watch SD programming if I can avoid it. (and I avoid it well, thank you very much)

As Sam Walton was quoted as saying "If you don't take care of the customer, someone else will".

Mulemuffins! No Regard has found creative ways to make money off of his digital stream, so that arguement doesn't fly with me.

<rant mode>

Okay, Nexstar, I'm getting a little sick of this 'we don't have the money', yet they can buy a Piece of junk station in Little Rock, upgrade it WITH HD EQUIPMENT, but totally IGNORE viewers in a long established market that has a faster growth rate?

C'mon, Nexstar, you guys are beginning to sound like No Regard Scott over at Channel 3.

Some of us have found creative ways to avoid rewarding your bad behavior and lack of regard for the viewer.

Some of us might actually watch your product IF you give us what we want. Nexstar appearantly only cares about Little Rock and to hell with viewers in any market smaller.

SD is no longer good enough and I, for one do not watch SD programming if I can avoid it. (and I avoid it well, thank you very much)

As Sam Walton was quoted as saying "If you don't take care of the customer, someone else will".

I'm with you, SS. See my earlier conversation with rhoops, post #3015:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=14217772&postcount=3015

As I said then, I've made my investment in HDTV's, and I'm waiting to see which station steps up to take care of me, their customer.

A few questions about ky-3

1. Why do they turn off the HD on the nightly news before it is over?Sloppy switching at kytv.

2. Why does Wheel of Fortune say HD, but it has vertical bars on both sides?It's not available here because kytv doesn't have the equipment to do local, syndicated time shifted HD programming yet. That's why it says "HD - Where Available."

3. Why do some shows say HD where available and they are not shown in HD on Channel 3? For instance, EllenSee #2.

As I said then, I've made my investment in HDTV's, and I'm waiting to see which station steps up to take care of me, their customer.
For commercial stations, the customers are advertisers, not viewers.

Okay, Nexstar, I'm getting a little sick of this 'we don't have the money', yet they can buy a Piece of junk station in Little Rock, upgrade it WITH HD EQUIPMENT, but totally IGNORE viewers in a long established market that has a faster growth rate?
As Sam Walton was quoted as saying "If you don't take care of the customer, someone else will".

Springfield will get the HD equipment when a larger market junks theirs in 10 years. As long as people are buying ad time, they don't care about you. If you think you can boycott the advertisers or something, it won't work either. You are just stuck, and paying the price for living in a small market.

For commercial stations, the customers are advertisers, not viewers.
That's right. And for syndicated programming the target market for proprietary schools and disability lawyers consists of folks who probably don't have an HDTV anyway.

As soon as broadcast quality HDTV equipment is for sale on e-bay, we will meet all of your demands.

That's right. And for syndicated programming the target market for proprietary schools and disability lawyers consists of folks who probably don't have an HDTV anyway.

As soon as broadcast quality HDTV equipment is for sale on e-bay, we will meet all of your demands.

Well, maybe we can agree on one thing: Drop analog on Feb 17 as planned, and start saving $7000 per month. :)

Well, maybe we can agree on one thing: Drop analog on Feb 17 as planned, and start saving $7000 per month. :)
We pushed for 2/17, but it looks like the date for KOLR / KSFX will be early April. Probably April 2nd or 3rd, since April fool's day just doesn't sound good.

Lot's of us self employed folks, construction, engineering, surveying and the like have HDTV's and are sitting around doing nothing right now.

I do notice a lot of lawyer ad's though.

We pushed for 2/17, but it looks like the date for KOLR / KSFX will be early April. I was really looking forward to KSFX 27 analog going away, so I could try and get KFTA 27 digital from Arkansas. Maybe when Nexstar triples the power on KFTA and shuts down KFSX 27, I'll finally be able to watch it.

Damned congress.

The Springfield stations have agreed on a market-wide analog shutdown on April 2. KSPR is still going early (Feb. 26 or whatever) due to transmitter problems.

KOZJ analog in Joplin will also be shutting off on April 2.

ok i got a new antenna last night (Channel Master 4221) and put it in my attic, i've not done any real tweaking yet, its just laying upright against the rafters pointing east, with a tad spin towards north. The antenna is placed ajust off of the walkway about 8 feet from where the garage wall would start. The coax from the antenna goes to 1 splitter that feeds 2 tvs, my 42" lcd and my roomate's 32" digital tube.

3, 10, 27 come in fine, 21 is pixelating on both tvs, and on the lcd 33 loses sync, but the tube tv doesn't. analog 33 has no sync loss on 33 on the lcd.

Is the 21 problem just directional facing of the antenna? I am assuming the 33 problem is a bad cable in my wall, because i even had issues with mediacom with that line drop, 10 and 27 would never stay on. So hopefully my brother will come up this weekend and we we redo that line drop completely and maybe actually hang up the anntenna correctly in the far north of the attic as i can get it.

so the real question out of all that is this, is the pixel break up on 21 just weak signal and takes some tweaking? and do you guys think the loss of sync on 33 on one tv but not the other just be cabling?



An attic install should be OK, assuming you don't have:
Metal siding
Foil backed wall insulation
Foil backed radiant barrier roof decking

A good metro high vhf+uhf antenna like this is all you should need:
http://www.warrenelectronics.com/antennas/2016.htm

You can hang it down from the roof rafters in the attic, using a metal pole or even a broom handle.
Connect it to your TVs with RG6 coax. Attic antennas do not have to be grounded, unlike outdoor antennas.

A good starting point to aim your antenna will probably be just slightly to the right of due East. If necessary, to tweak antenna aim, bring up your TV tuner's signal strength meter and check signal strength on several channels. Tweak the antenna aim for the weakest channel, then recheck the other channels. That's all there is to it.

ok i got a new antenna last night (Channel Master 4221) and put it in my attic, i've not done any real tweaking yet, its just laying upright against the rafters pointing east, with a tad spin towards north. The antenna is placed ajust off of the walkway about 8 feet from where the garage wall would start. The coax from the antenna goes to 1 splitter that feeds 2 tvs, my 42" lcd and my roomate's 32" digital tube.

3, 10, 27 come in fine, 21 is pixelating on both tvs, and on the lcd 33 loses sync, but the tube tv doesn't. analog 33 has no sync loss on 33 on the lcd.

Is the 21 problem just directional facing of the antenna? I am assuming the 33 problem is a bad cable in my wall, because i even had issues with mediacom with that line drop, 10 and 27 would never stay on. So hopefully my brother will come up this weekend and we we redo that line drop completely and maybe actually hang up the anntenna correctly in the far north of the attic as i can get it.

so the real question out of all that is this, is the pixel break up on 21 just weak signal and takes some tweaking? and do you guys think the loss of sync on 33 on one tv but not the other just be cabling?Does your 4221 look like A (http://www.warrenelectronics.com/antennas/4221HD.jpg)? Or B (http://www.summitsource.com/images/products/AN4221.jpg)?

Your problems may be a bad coax or connectors, or the fact that the antenna isn't aimed properly. IIRC, you should aim the antenna slightly to the right of due East, (a tiny tad south of due East). The bowties (not the screen) should be facing Fordland.

Breakup on one, but not the other TV may indicate a bad cable going to one TV or a marginal signal on both TVs. If one TV has a better tuner than the other one, it may be able to deal with a bad signal better than the other one.

There may also be something in the attic interfering with reception, or causing multipath issues. How do your analog channels look? Do they have snow or ghost images?

its the A.

and the only analog i looked at was 33, and it had a line of snow about 1/4" thick thru it.

it was dark when i put it up, so im waiting til saturday to really do the final tweaking.

It does sound like that living room cable is bad then. Hopefully once everything is replaced wire wise it will be better

As close as you are to Fordland, snow on analog channels would indicate a weak signal, either due to a bad coax, bad coax connector or an antenna problem.

BTW, your 4221 is the newer model, made in china. I have not seen any reviews of it. The older 4221 got good reviews for UHF reception, but not too good for VHF.

i ordered it from amazon where it was actually sold thru crutchfield

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FVTPX2

about 20 little reviews from users out there

I'm sorry, I was referring to reviews on AVSForum - I should have been more specific. I usually don't take much stock in electronics reviews on amazon.

Most of the reviews of the 4221 on Amazon also appear to be for the older, US-made model.

The White House wants your opinion on The DTV Delay ACT Bill
President Obama wants to hear what the public has to say, you can comment here

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing_room/dtv_delay_act/

Sure he does. His buddy at Sprint made up his mind for him.

KSPR confirms they're going 2/17 now. Their website has been updated to reflect this.

www.kspr.com

Direct link:
http://www.kspr.com/news/local/38545947.html

ok got all the rewiring done and antenna moved and last night everything was great. just checked mychannels and now 33 is all glitchy and breaking up. is that doing it for anyone else? or am i just getting interference from somewhere?

Does anyone know when KODE in Joplin will start broadcasting in HD. It was just added in HD on Dish Network but does not broadcast anything in HD.

ok got all the rewiring done and antenna moved and last night everything was great. just checked mychannels and now 33 is all glitchy and breaking up.KSPR-DT is working fine for me, except for occasional audio sync issues. What is your signal strength? And is the signal meter steady or fluctuating? Is the wind blowing when the 33 is breaking up?

Also, is your antenna installed like this?
http://i44.tinypic.com/abifdl.jpg

Does anyone know when KODE in Joplin will start broadcasting in HD...Maybe rhoops will know. If not, contact the KODE's General Manager & Chief Engineer here>
http://fourstateshomepage.com/content/about/contactus

i went back in there 30 min later and 33 was fine. so im just guessing it was a fluke. everything seemed ok all night. thanks for the input.

i went back in there 30 min later and 33 was fine. so im just guessing it was a fluke. Whenever your video or audio is breaking up on a channel, always check the TV tuner's signal strength meter. If the channel shows a strong, unwavering signal, the problem is very likely at the station. They are still having digital growing pains, and you will likely see occasional station problems for the near future.

If the signal strength is low or fluctuating wildly, the problem is probably with your equipment.

Next time you get a chance, check your signal strength for KSPR.

I am now receiving KODE digital 12.1/43.3 here in Parsons,ks. The station put a crawl on there screen last nite that it would happen soon. My outside antenna ,91xg, is getting a 98 % signal while the attic install two cm4228that I just stacked this morning (KODE was coming in prior to the stacking) is getting a 82 % signal. I dont know if I did the stacking correctly but I tried it for a reason. The reason is that I still cant get KSN on the living room tv ( the attic install) but the outside install gets a 59/ 60's signal any ideas/ sugestions ? Thanks in advance.

YAHOO!!

I am getting KODE, at last! They are
full power and I'm getting almost perfect signals on my Terk HDa and two
four bay coat hanger antennas!

All three of my TVs are happy. :)

Now if KSNF will just get cracking, I'll have 8 channels crisp and clear. Which is more than I had before.

Hey OnceBitten I'm also receiving KODE, one step closer to turning off the satellite. I'm able to get KSN digital here in Parsons with a 91xg antenna. How far are you from Joplin and what is your setup?

Hey OnceBitten I'm also receiving KODE, one step closer to turning off the satellite. I'm able to get KSN digital here in Parsons with a 91xg antenna. How far are you from Joplin and what is your setup?

I'm not far from Joplin, about 14 miles east of KSNF and 13 from KODE. That's why I'm so relieved to be getting 12 now, because I'd wondered if it was somehow being blocked by some kind of interference that I had no control over. I'm glad to see it was a power thing. KSNF is the same on the signal bars, so I'm thinking that it will soon appear as well. I've heard they are working on it.

I'm one of the skeptical people who didn't think that a coat hanger antenna would do well, at least here. I made two, and one of them is getting the signals well enough to be fed into another room. I put them both in the one spot I found where the signals were the highest. Meanwhile, the Terk with dipoles and amplifier is free to send one signal to my 36" Sony Wega in the front room.

Next I'm waiting to see what happens when 7 and 14 do their thing on the 17th. I've been getting both of those very well, and since 7 used to be a problem analog wise, I'm hoping digital will still be as good as it's been on RF 13. *Fingers crossed* :D

Next I'm waiting to see what happens when 7 and 14 do their thing on the 17th. I've been getting both of those very well, and since 7 used to be a problem analog wise, I'm hoping digital will still be as good as it's been on RF 13. *Fingers crossed* :DIf your main problem was multipath (ghosts) on analog 7, it may come in ok on digital RF 7 if your digital tuners are 5th or 6th generation. Newer tuners deal with multipath pretty well.

If KOAM-DT 13 reception was OK, your KFJX-DT 13 should also be OK.

If your main problem was multipath (ghosts) on analog 7, it may come in ok on digital RF 7 if your digital tuners are 5th or 6th generation. Newer tuners deal with multipath pretty well.

If KOAM-DT 13 reception was OK, your KFJX-DT 13 should also be OK.

I forget exactly when the boxes were purchased, but I started buying them as soon as the ones I wanted appeared in the store. I have two Insignias and one Digital Stream. The first Insignia isn't Analog pass through but the second one and the Digital Stream are. DS is the last one I bought, just to see if it was as good as the others. ;)

I do recall ghosty reception on analog KOAM, but before the amped Terk, it was also never a clear channel. That's why I'm hoping I will still get it on Tuesday. :(

I was so happy to get KODE yesterday, that I didn't check the signal strength until minutes later. Nearly 95% in one room and not less than 85% in the others. It's now the strongest signal I receive. Big nothing for a year now, and then *pow*.
:)

...I do recall ghosty reception on analog KOAM, but before the amped Terk, it was also never a clear channel. That's why I'm hoping I will still get it on Tuesday. The multipath likely won't be a problem on KOAM-DT, with either the Sony or Insignia (which is a clone of the Zenith box - with LG chipset). Probably not with the DigitalStream either, but time will tell.

Hi sek_ray. I'm also near Parsons and checked KODE and KSNF last night. KODE's now rock-solid here, on a 4 bay UHF. That was the first time I'd gotten a picture at all. But nothing at all seen from KSNF. It doesn't even bump the signal strength meter now, whereas I used to be able to see around 15% out of it. I assume their digital signal's off the air temporarily.

For what it's worth, KOAM's digital is almost always 100%, on a small VHF yagi in bad need of replacement, KODE's around 84% and KOZJ is around 50%. I hope KSNF's signal is as good as the rest of the stations!

Hey Steve, its nice to see somone else from Parsons on the board. It will be two weeks this Tuesday that I've been able to get KSN with a 58-60% signal with no dropouts.(the installer wanted to point the antenna south to Tulsa)No KSN on my other antenna, although its in the attic.
Im fairly sure that a Springfield ABC station and a few Arkansas Stations will be increasing in power come Tues. nite so we could be seeing them on a somewhat regular basis. These stations come in some mornings and late some nites depending on weather conditions. Steve are you using a amp? I am just curious.

... Im fairly sure that a Springfield ABC station and a few Arkansas Stations will be increasing in power come Tues. nite so we could be seeing them on a somewhat regular basis...All Springfield stations are already broadcasting at maximum allotted power.

KOLR-DT (cbs) will move from UHF ch 52 to VHF ch 10 after the analog shutdown, which may make it easier (or more difficult) for some people to receive. It will also be more prone to interference problems for fringe viewers. Problems that don't exist on UHF.

The NW Ark. stations below have applications to roughly double their transmitter power. They will likely do this between now and the end of '09:
cbs KFSM-DT (UHF ch 18) displays as ch 5-n
pbs KAFT-DT (VHF ch 9) displays as ch 13-n
fox KFTA-DT (UHF ch 27) displays as ch 24-n

Hey Steve, its nice to see somone else from Parsons on the board. It will be two weeks this Tuesday that I've been able to get KSN with a 58-60% signal with no dropouts.(the installer wanted to point the antenna south to Tulsa)No KSN on my other antenna, although its in the attic.
Im fairly sure that a Springfield ABC station and a few Arkansas Stations will be increasing in power come Tues. nite so we could be seeing them on a somewhat regular basis. These stations come in some mornings and late some nites depending on weather conditions. Steve are you using a amp? I am just curious.

Hi Ray, same here, on seeing another Parsonian! I'm not using an amp at the moment, aside from the indoor distribution amp. Really I need some added height and a general overhaul of the entire antenna head. I'd love to see a few Springfield stations in here also, and possibly MSSU's ch 22. I did see it one night when the band was way up, and there's usually some signal showing from it.

Any suggestions for an inexpensive preamp? I've been out of this stuff way too long. :)

All Springfield stations are already broadcasting at maximum allotted power.

KOLR-DT (cbs) will move from UHF ch 52 to VHF ch 10 after the analog shutdown, which may make it easier (or more difficult) for some people to receive. It will also be more prone to interference problems for fringe viewers. Problems that don't exist on UHF.

Thanks for the information, arxaw. It's possible KOLR will be fairly steady here (its analog signal has been fair to good for years), but who knows? Less attenuation, but more likelihood of interference. Getting anything out of Arkansas here is very rare.

At any rate, it's nice to know what's going on with the fringe-area (to Parsons) stations.

...Any suggestions for an inexpensive preamp?One of the most commonly used and highest rated low noise/high gain VHF+UHF preamps by AVSForum members is the ChannelMaster CM 7777 (http://www.warrenelectronics.com/antennas/7777.htm). It can definitely make a difference in reception if you have weak signals or if splitting the antenna coax to several outlets. Radio Shack has started carrying Winegard preamps, which are also pretty good.

Do not buy a cheap noisy cable amp from Radio Shack, walmart or other big box stores.

It's possible KOLR will be fairly steady here (its analog signal has been fair to good for years)If KOLR analog was fairly good, odds are high that KOLR-DT reception will be good when they move to physical ch 10.

Steve I would have to agree with arxaw on the 7777. It works real well. I wouldnt have known about it if it werent for reading about it on this and another forum. That kind of sucks about the Springfield stations already being full power. I'm still looking forward to seeing what I can get on some mornings/nites if not on a regular basis just to see what is out there ( I'm a nerd, so my wife says).

I just wanted to let anyone know that was interested is that I got communication from both KODE and KFJX will provide programming HD very soon. KFJX will switch over tomorrow and KODE could tomorrow as well.

Steve I would have to agree with arxaw on the 7777. It works real well. I wouldnt have known about it if it werent for reading about it on this and another forum. That kind of sucks about the Springfield stations already being full power. I'm still looking forward to seeing what I can get on some mornings/nites if not on a regular basis just to see what is out there ( I'm a nerd, so my wife says).

Thanks to both of you. I was looking at prices on it, and that's not bad at all if Channel Master's even half as good as they were years ago!

And Ray, join the nerd club. :) I also love looking around for out of the ordinary stations, have for years. Meanwhile, I'm still waiting to see what KSNF is going to do. Personally, this is more fun than watching most of what's on TV these days!

Thanks to both of you. I was looking at prices on it, and that's not bad at all if Channel Master's even half as good as they were years ago!CM 7777 preamps are still good. The jury's still out on all their new antennas though, which are now made in china. They closed their US antenna factory last fall.

The link I posted above for the 7777 is Warren Electronics. Great people to deal with. I've never had problems with them.

CM 7777 preamps are still good. The jury's still out on all their new antennas though, which are now made in china. They closed their US antenna factory last fall.

The link I posted above for the 7777 is Warren Electronics. Great people to deal with. I've never had problems with them.

Great! Thanks again. I also like the dual inputs, since I'm using a separate (higher) UHF antenna. I need to move the antennas away from some tall trees before spring, anyway. Those leaves are great for shade, but they're not good for TV signals. ;)

...I also like the dual inputs, since I'm using a separate (higher) UHF antenna...The default setting for the 7777 is for use with a combo V/U antenna. To use separate V/U inputs, open the case and toggle the "Combined/Separate" switch inside the amp.

Joplinmo/Pittkan update: KOAM has stopped broadcasting analog this morning and is digital - although not at full power according to my Samsung signal meter, 2 of 10 bars.

Located at 7-1, they have broadcast at 8/10 bars before, so I suspect they are ramping up. 7-2 is KJFX 14, the FOX affiliate sister station, and also at 2/10 bars - BUT simultaneously broadcasting on 14-1 at 10/10 bars, and much better there. Perhaps the choice of what antenna on the tower broadcasts which signal has an influence.

KODE 12 is simulcasting analog and digital, as is KSNF 16. Both are owned by the same company, and industry news claims the owner has placed other stations like them in one studio, but locally they remain separate. That's likely due to the origins and locations. They are running 7-9/10 bars.

22-1 is still the same, and PBS is maintaining the standard of 3 DTV channels and 1 analog on 26.

Most low power stations in the area are basically unusable without an exterior antenna. They come and go from atmospherics, although I did scan in one Springfield and one Tulsa station a few weeks ago. That's not as likely to happen now after they stop analog as the digital signal is 1/4 as powerful.

I'm still researching why I get 25-9 and 25-10 with a black screen. Are these being held with a carrier signal until someone switches over?

I'm still researching why I get 25-9 and 25-10 with a black screen. Are these being held with a carrier signal until someone switches over?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UpdateTV

Is 14-1 in HD?

- Trip

Yes, on the channel 14 news last night they said American Idol would be broadcast in HD tonight ...

A quick check shows KJFX at 7-2 (labeled KOAM - SD) running 480, and 14-1 (labeled HD) at 720. I suspect Barney Fife doesn't rate 1080. That seems to take network resources.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UpdateTV

- Trip

I just gave that link a quick read, and sort of understand it, which leads me to ask a question. How vital is the information sent on those 'channels'? I frequently unplug the high money stuff and won't receive much that way.

I only have one unit that is scanning in 25.9 and 25.10. It is a VCR/ DVD digital recorder that I use to copy my old tapes with. It's about a year old. It's an always-locking up pain in the butt, but it's handy to have. :rolleyes:

I don't like the extra stuff in there, so I delete them from the channel line up. I also have a ch.17 coming up, for some reason, only the audio portion, and no clue what that one is.

Should I not be deleting these 'channels' or does it matter at all? :confused:

...14-1 (labeled HD) at 720. I suspect Barney Fife doesn't rate 1080. That seems to take network resources.ABC and FOX affiliates are 720p format. Not 1080i. 720p is an HD format.

I just gave that link a quick read, and sort of understand it, which leads me to ask a question. How vital is the information sent on those 'channels'? I frequently unplug the high money stuff and won't receive much that way.

I only have one unit that is scanning in 25.9 and 25.10. It is a VCR/ DVD digital recorder that I use to copy my old tapes with. It's about a year old. It's an always-locking up pain in the butt, but it's handy to have. :rolleyes:

I don't like the extra stuff in there, so I delete them from the channel line up. I also have a ch.17 coming up, for some reason, only the audio portion, and no clue what that one is.

Should I not be deleting these 'channels' or does it matter at all? :confused:It doesn't matter. You can leave or delete them in your favorites lists. If your equipment is designed to get an update from Update TV on 25-9 or 25-10, it will find the update, regardless of what you have in your favorites. Assuming it's plugged in when the update is sent out.

Channel 17 analog may be the CW affiliate, K17DL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K17DL-LP), located in Branson.

^ What arxaw said. :)

- Trip

Once Bitten I to have and have had 25.9 & 25.10.Try punching in your remote 25.3 , 25.4 & 25.5. I do and they are the exact same channels as 26.1,26.2,26.3.maybe they are related a little to the 25. 9 & 10. Channel 17 ( 17.1,17.2,17.317.17.5) at times shows up on my tv. It shows up as KDOR some religous stations and a Mexican station. Enjoy!!! American Idol looks good on the tv, but not my type of show , it reminds me of middle school.

Stupid question here. I thought KSPR's antenna was in Fordland, like all the others. Antennaweb.org is showing it still in downtown Springfield. So, where is it?
Thanks in advance.

Fordland.
It also shows KNWA's tower in the wrong place.

Never trust antennaweb.

Stupid question here. I thought KSPR's antenna was in Fordland, like all the others. Antennaweb.org is showing it still in downtown Springfield. So, where is it?
Thanks in advance.
KSPR-DT, KOZK-DT, KYTV-DT are all on two towers that are very close together just north of Fordland. This tower is in line with Sunshine street and can be seen from Sam's club.

KSPR analog, which has only a few more hours to go, is on the northern tower, with KOLR and KSFX. This tower is in line with Division street and can be seen from Furniture Row or Cooper Estates.

Thanks.

KODE 12 is simulcasting analog and digital, as is KSNF 16. Both are owned by the same company, and industry news claims the owner has placed other stations like them in one studio, but locally they remain separate. That's likely due to the origins and locations. They are running 7-9/10 bars.


I hope KSNF can make enough advertising revenue from those living next door to its tower. Its digital signal is virtually nonexistent just west of Parsons.

KOAM and KFJX are both near 100% signal strength, KODE and KOZJ are 40-50% solid in the daytime (stronger at night, naturally). This is on an Access HD 1080D converter. Anybody know anything about KSNF's timetable for boosting their power?

Correction: KODE is also near 100% signal strength, not 40-50%

The default setting for the 7777 is for use with a combo V/U antenna. To use separate V/U inputs, open the case and toggle the "Combined/Separate" switch inside the amp.

Thanks again, good to know. :) I've always preferred separate antennas, but it's always been a pain to run separate cables. Who knows, with that amount of gain, I might almost get KSNF once in awhile. ;)

:)
http://www.kspr.com/news/local/39748982.html

:)
http://www.kspr.com/news/local/39748982.html

Sounds like a bit of a mess. Some people aren't ready, and when they are, some stations aren't ready.

KSPR's final analog minutes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbdTTD9V7Yk

s s,
Thanks for the youtube link. Too bad it cut off before the complete fade to snow.

Why does Cox block the HD broadcast from KC when there is not a local HD broadcast here in Pittsburg? I am getting really sick of watching all the broadcast channels in SD? These broadcasters down here need to quick slacking on HD, not to mention better news anchors, my goodness they are bad.

Squid:

Cox doesn't have a choice. They, by law, are required to block out all signals that are outside of the DMA when programming is duplicated in the local market. The local stations are guaranteed exclusive rights to air network programming, and it some case syndicated shows as well....HD or Not...the law doesn't recognize the difference. It's frustrating, but it's the way it is. Particularly in this Joplin/Pitts DMA, with KODE's digital signal, although the signal strength is strong, it would be nice if they would pass through some HD content. Lately, it's fuzzy and has noise in the signal whenever the pass through network programming. Nexstar should be ashamed. Viewers in smaller markets matter too.
KOAM-DT looks awesome, so does KFJX-DT. It would be nice if I could record them off of the Dish Network receiver, but as of today, still no guide information. I just get a listing for the channel with "Digital Service" in the program lines. If anyone knows a way to correct that, hollerback.
KSNF-DT looks great in Joplin, but I understand has about a 10 mile radius. Hopefully they'll fix that soon.

Cox doesn't have a choice. They, by law, are required to block out all signals that are outside of the DMA when programming is duplicated in the local market...Not always. They are only required to block outside DMA signals when forced to by the DMA's affiliate.

Example:
Eureka Springs & Berryville Coxcable show duplicate ABC & other networks & syndicated programming from affiliates in other DMAs.

Example:
KSPR - Springfield
KHOG - Fayetteville
KATV - Little Rock
All ABC affiliates shown on Cox Eureka/Berryville

They also carry multiple affiliates of most other networks.

Disregard comments about KODE above. It looks like they are finally passing through HD content from ABC. Looks great. And no noise in the signal anymore.

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/174518-KARE_Man_Shoots_TV_Over_Converter_Confusion.php

KARE: Man Shoots TV Over Converter Confusion
Missouri man angered about losing cable and being unable to get new converter box to work

By John Eggerton -- Broadcasting & Cable, 2/19/2009 2:00:00 PM MT

Filed at 9:53 a.m. EST on Feb. 20, 2009

OK, so the DTV transition hasn't been perfect.

While the early analog-cutoff of 421 TV stations on Feb. 17 has gone relative smoothly according to most reports, that was not the case of at least one Missouri man, according to KARE-TV Minneapolis-ST. Paul.

The station reports that a 70-year-old Joplin man was arrested and charged with unlawful discharge of a firearm after shooting his TV set. Responding to a report of shots being fired, the station reported, the police found the man angry that he had both lost his cable and had been unable to get his new DTV converter box to work.

According to the man's wife, he had been drinking.


Just found a more detailed account:

http://www.joplinglobe.com/joplin_metro/local_story_049234843.html?keyword=topstory

Man shoots TV set; standoff ensues



By Jeff Lehr

jlehr@joplinglobe.com

WEBB CITY, Mo. — A man who was angry about the shut-off of his cable-television service shot his television set Wednesday afternoon and then prompted a two-hour standoff with police before leaving his house and surrendering.

The standoff began about 3:30 p.m. at a house on the southwest corner of Ball and Daugherty streets in Webb City.

Police Chief Carl Francis said the wife of Walter Hoover, 70, walked to the police station a couple of blocks away and reported that her husband had been drinking, was angry with a shut-off of his cable service, and had gotten his guns out.

“He actually fired two rounds before she left the residence,” Francis said.

Both rounds apparently were directed at and struck the couple’s television set, he said. He said he did not know why the couple’s cable service had been shut off.

A police officer responding to the woman’s report spotted Hoover at the front door of the residence with a handgun. The officer called for assistance rather than approaching the home, and other Webb City police, state patrol officers, Jasper County deputies, and officers from the Duenweg, Duquesne, Carterville and JasCo Metro police departments all responded.

Francis said Hoover went back inside the house and returned to the front door a short time later with what officers recognized as a high-powered hunting rifle.

The police chief said Hoover’s possession of such a powerful weapon, coupled with information obtained from his wife that he had been in a similar standoff with police on a previous occasion in another Missouri town, led to a decision to call for help from the Joplin Police Department’s special weapons and tactics team, which happened to be assembled for a training day and available on short notice.

Francis said officers were not certain at that point if anyone else was in the house with Hoover. His wife told them that a neighbor might be there.

A perimeter was set up about a block to a block and a half in each direction, and the SWAT team began evacuating residents of the area from their homes. Francis said police were concerned that rounds from a high-powered rifle could penetrate the walls of nearby homes, and kill or injure someone.

Efforts were made to call the house by telephone and talk to Hoover, he said. But officers soon learned from the telephone company that he had either taken his phone off the hook or had ripped the phone line from the wall.

About 5:30 p.m., the SWAT team took up a position immediately south of the barricaded man’s home and began urging him by megaphone to come out unarmed and surrender.

Around 6 p.m., Hoover did just that, and he was taken into custody without any shots being fired.

Responding to a report of shots being fired, the station reported, the police found the man angry that he had both lost his cable and had been unable to get his new DTV converter box to work.

According to the man's wife, he had been drinking.

Other than this one reference, I'm not seeing the connection to the digital transition. Was KARE just pushing to get a DTV story here?

Only KOAM has dropped their Analog signal at this point. He must of really been jonesing for something on CBS.

Look, the man was drunk, cable had been shut off for some unexplained reason, and couldn't figure out how to configure his DTV box.... after he had been DRINKING. He then goes postal on his TV.

We all have the capability to become unhinged at one time or another... but this is just crazy.

I heard about that online, but can't recall anything in the news here. I'm just east of Joplin. I do recall something about a standoff over there, so that was likely it. No one mentioned DTV or even cable here on the news, related to anything like that. Sometimes I think our area keeps things quiet as best it can. ;)

Squid:
KSNF-DT looks great in Joplin, but I understand has about a 10 mile radius. Hopefully they'll fix that soon.

I hope so too. Everything else comes in great here, near Parsons. Absolutely nothing from KSNF-DT except a small signal showing on the meter. KODE-DT surprised me somewhat, with pretty much constant 100% signal strength.

I did call KSNF the other day and was told they hadn't set a date for increasing their power.

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/174518-KARE_Man_Shoots_TV_Over_Converter_Confusion.php

KARE: Man Shoots TV Over Converter Confusion
Missouri man angered about losing cable and being unable to get new converter box to work

By John Eggerton -- Broadcasting & Cable, 2/19/2009 2:00:00 PM MT

Filed at 9:53 a.m. EST on Feb. 20, 2009

OK, so the DTV transition hasn't been perfect.

While the early analog-cutoff of 421 TV stations on Feb. 17 has gone relative smoothly according to most reports, that was not the case of at least one Missouri man, according to KARE-TV Minneapolis-ST. Paul.

The station reports that a 70-year-old Joplin man was arrested and charged with unlawful discharge of a firearm after shooting his TV set. Responding to a report of shots being fired, the station reported, the police found the man angry that he had both lost his cable and had been unable to get his new DTV converter box to work.

According to the man's wife, he had been drinking.

heheh, at least it happened in MO, not Ark. :)

You are so BAD... I've been known to come unhinged myself when technical difficulties arise, but luckily, I don't drink... and the worst I've done is throw a couple glass mason jars against the wall! (No sense breaking the good stuff!)

:)

Has anybody else noticed audio problems on NBC nightly news and occasionally (this morning) the today show? Don't know if it is them, or my dish box messing up the OTA translation.

Has anybody else noticed audio problems on NBC nightly news and occasionally (this morning) the today show? Don't know if it is them, or my dish box messing up the OTA translation.

Yeah, Today Show audio was messed up this morning.

Thanks, figured it was on channel 3's end

Is this place dead or is my browser not refreshing?

Yours was the first posting in days and days. Surely not
everybody is totally happy with how Feb. 17th went. I'm
wondering why Springfield's KSPR seldom graces my
Dish 211 STB and Dish DTVPal converter box as in pre-
Feb. 17th days.

I think I'm fairly happy with how Feb. 17th went. I'm getting 8 channels, and they all come in fairly well.
KODE is the strongest signal, and I didn't even get that at all until they turned up the juice.
7.2 is showing Fox still, and so is 14.1, so I wonder if they will eventually put something else on 7.2? I wish we had a weather channel here.
KSN has said nothing(that I'm aware of) about increasing their signal, so that is the only one I do not receive.
Channel 22 (Missouri Southern and some network programing) isn't of much use to me, but would be if they could have a programing schedule.
Otherwise, I'm happy with how it's going and looking forward to the cut off, just to see if it changes anything further. Like perhaps more digital programing. ;)

Anybody have an update on which local channels dish network has in the Springfield area and do they require a wing dish?

I get all of the locals fine OTA, however, it would be nice to be able to record two programs at the same time.

Anybody have an update on which local channels dish network has in the Springfield area and do they require a wing dish?

I get all of the locals fine OTA, however, it would be nice to be able to record two programs at the same time.

My son just moved and dish installed a 2nd dish along with the dish 1000.2. Now he gets 10 & 27 in HD off satellite. He also has the locals OTA, 10 & 27 both looked very good off satellite as I kept switching from antenna to satellite to compare. I was surprised how good they looked off satellite. I have got to call dish and have an eastern arc dish installed as soon as I can find a time to be at home to meet them.

I've heard OTA PQ should always be better than dish

I've heard OTA PQ should always be better than dishGenerally, yes. But not always. It can depend on how dish (or directv) gets the signal and how many sub channels the local station broadcasts OTA.

I've heard OTA PQ should always be better than dish
For KOLR and KSFX both DirectTV and Dish pick the signal up off air and transport it via fiber to the uplink facility.

The receive facility is at the KYTV studio on Sunshine, so they may take them directly. The KSPR and CW-15 eventually at the same address, there is the potential to take a DVB-ASI or SMPTE-310M signal directly.

Mediacom has fiber and equipment to take HD signals from KOLR and KSFX, but they couldn't get it work properly so they currently take them both OTA.

AT&T has fiber and equipment at KOLR / KSFX, but currently haven't any subscribers. They will be ready when they roll out U-Verse.

I had to go to war with DirectTV Thursday and Friday. The picture was freezing up and their tech support kept saying it was KOLR's fault. I callled Castle Rock and read them the riot act. I said our DTV signal was fine on Mediacom and Dish which also take us OTA, and that there was a problem with their receiver.

5 minutes after I called, the KOLR problems went away. Thursday the same thing was happening with KSFX, so I guess they switched out the faulty receiver.

By the way some cable companies, like the one in Bolivar, feed the SD audio with left and right channel derivitives from the 5.1 DTV signal.

That's great when we are in local programming where left and right are all there are. When we go to CBS 5.1 programming nearly all of the dialog is in the center channel and they aren't carrying that.

I know Mediacom is picking up the OTA signal and taking a center cut slice to feed 4:3 to the SD subscribers. I suppose if they letterboxed it they would have lots of complaints.

TV guide On-Screen has installed two sets of equipment in insert their data into KOLR's stream. The second set feeds the Mediacom (and maybe AT&T) fiber.

...TV guide On-Screen has installed two sets of equipment in insert their data into KOLR's stream...That is great news. One of my TVs has TVGOS, but the only time the guide populates is when I can pick up Tulsa, which is usually only in the summer.

That is great news. One of my TVs has TVGOS, but the only time the guide populates is when I can pick up Tulsa, which is usually only in the summer.
Hmmm.... KSFX has had the old analog version active for a long time. It's a one rack-unit high box that connects via the telephone. The video line runs through it and we don't have much to do with it.

The new box uses a cable modem for internet connectivity and they have all kinds of monitoring functions they can do remotely.

For some reason, my TV never could get the analog TVGOS, but the guide data populates whenever I can pick up Tulsa DT channels.

anyone else have issues with ky3 last nighT? there was this subtle noise about every 3 seconds (almost like a noise heartbeat) during the entire night i was on that channel. i almost had to turn heroes off because it was so annoying, no other channels did it so im pretty sure it wasn't anything on my end

anyone else have issues with ky3 last nighT? there was this subtle noise about every 3 seconds (almost like a noise heartbeat) during the entire night i was on that channel. i almost had to turn heroes off because it was so annoying, no other channels did it so im pretty sure it wasn't anything on my end

I had it too. Your heartbeat analogy is very good. My signal strength bar graph was very regular in its dip to 0% strength.

It wasn't just 3 though. 10 did it too, and 21 thru 33 went away completely. It cleared up enough to watch Medium though, and was all okay by 9:30.

So, what happened?

I had no problems with 3's sound last night primetime, but I really wish they would fix the nightly news and today show audio problems

Does anyone know why KFJX Pittsburgh, which is
broadcasting Fox digital on both 14.1 and 7.2,
shows the same programing on both channels?

I figured they would for awhile, but why can't
they show the regularly scheduled programing on
one channel and show the sports events on the
other one?

For example, they ended up showing first runs
of the Sara Conner Chronicles and Doll House at
11 pm and 12 midnight on Friday night. Is there
some reason they couldn't have shown both the
sports and the dramas at the same time? Are
they afraid people who haven't switched to
digital will miss out on what they want to watch?

I assumed they showed it that way on the analog
channel 14 as well, so they had a 'backup'.

I'm tired tonight, so I hope I made some sense.
I just think they could put the sports on one and
keep up regular programming on the other. I was
hoping someone here would know more about it.
:)

anyone else have issues with ky3 last nighT? there was this subtle noise about every 3 seconds (almost like a noise heartbeat) during the entire night i was on that channel. i almost had to turn heroes off because it was so annoying, no other channels did it so im pretty sure it wasn't anything on my end

I had this same problem for around 2 weeks both OTA and Mediccom channel 712 HD and sent email to Kirk Lemons at KY3 and he replyed very quickly saying:
We have been having this problem since NBC installed new receivers. NBC is well aware of this

problem, they just haven’t found a solution yet.

We are bugging them about this everyday. Hopefully a breakthrough will occur soon.

Sorry, and thanks for your patience.

I haven't noticed this on KNWA-DT 51-1 (nbc) in NW Ark. Their audio on local stuff is FUBAR'd, though.

Has anyone with Dish Network been able to get KOLR-DT and KSFX-DT? I know they are available now through Dish.

I understand they can either add a second dish, or they can upgrade you to a 1000.4 system. I currently have a 1000.2 system and would like to upgrade. I don't want a second dish on the roof.

I have OTA set up which is just fine, but I'd love to be able to record more than one HD show at a time.

Has anyone with Dish Network been able to get KOLR-DT and KSFX-DT? I know they are available now through Dish.

I understand they can either add a second dish, or they can upgrade you to a 1000.4 system. I currently have a 1000.2 system and would like to upgrade. I don't want a second dish on the roof.

I have OTA set up which is just fine, but I'd love to be able to record more than one HD show at a time.The new 722(k) DVR has an optional two-tuner OTA module that can record two OTA channels at once. One advantage to OTA is zero rain fade.

The transition will be delayed. Probably date is now April 16.
The other stations will probably be delayed too, but perhaps not that exact date.
FCC regs are increasingly complex and include having "drop in centers" where viewers can get tech support.

The transition will be delayed. Probably date is now April 16.
The other stations will probably be delayed too, but perhaps not that exact date.
FCC regs are increasingly complex and include having "drop in centers" where viewers can get tech support.Well that sucks. A friend bought an expensive antenna that doesn't get her all the local channels. She is waiting for analog to shut down before buying a different one.

At your "drop in" centers, I hope you aren't recommending that people buy "digital" antennas or something from AntennasDirect. Their antennas are way overpriced and many of them won't pick up VHF worth a flip.

The transition will be delayed. Probably date is now April 16.
The other stations will probably be delayed too, but perhaps not that exact date.

Ozarks Public Television has filed to shut off KOZK and KOZJ analog at 23:59:59 on March 31.

But will they do it.

According to the FCC list I just obtained:

KOZK/KOZJ go 3/31
KOLR/KSFX go 4/16
KMOS in Sedalia goes 4/2
and the shocker:

KSNF goes 4/16 as well!!!!

Everyone else around us goes 6/12

...FCC regs are increasingly complex and include having "drop in centers" where viewers can get tech support.Only stations with a predicted loss of 10% or more of their analog audience must setup drop in centers (see fcc .doc (http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-289189A1.doc)). Silly rule, since most of the audience lost will be miles & miles from the station's "drop in" centers and won't bother driving to one.

It doesn't look like either KOLR (http://www.fcc.gov/mb/engineering/maps/images/callsigns/KOLR.gif) or KSFX (http://www.fcc.gov/mb/engineering/maps/images/callsigns/KSFX.gif) would be required to setup a drop in center, since both stations appear they will gain potential viewers, post analog.

According to the FCC list I just obtained:

KOZK/KOZJ go 3/31
KOLR/KSFX go 4/16
KMOS in Sedalia goes 4/2
and the shocker:

KSNF goes 4/16 as well!!!!

Everyone else around us goes 6/12So, after 4/16, KYTV ch 3 will be the lone full power holdout in Springfield, until June 12?

And have the Springfield analogs all gone to low power? I used to get them all fairly well, but the only one that still looks mostly snow-free is KOLR 10.

And have the Springfield analogs all gone to low power? I used to get them all fairly well, but the only one that still looks mostly snow-free is KOLR 10.
KOLR-10 analog has been at half power for some time. Half the power amplifiers have been converted for DTV and are ready to go for DTV on channel 10. I know KSFX is operating at full power.

I had this same problem for around 2 weeks both OTA and Mediccom channel 712 HD and sent email to Kirk Lemons at KY3 and he replyed very quickly saying:
We have been having this problem since NBC installed new receivers. NBC is well aware of this

problem, they just haven’t found a solution yet.

We are bugging them about this everyday. Hopefully a breakthrough will occur soon.

Sorry, and thanks for your patience.
CBS has been having similar problems. Since we have upgraded to DVB-S2, we have had several firmware revisions. Last Thursday's firmware update caused "black flashes" in the video and they requested an emergency re-boot of the IRD's before primetime Monday evening.

KOLR-10 analog has been at half power for some time.... I know KSFX is operating at full power.It's odd, KOLR 10 is my clearest Springfield analog station now. All the other analogs have snow, but never did until recently.

I knew analog 10 was half power. It sure didn't affect fringe reception much.

I have Dish Network but I am getting my local channels via an antenna and running through the dish converter box. I get all the local channels fine. 2-3 days ago, channel 33 started having an issue where it would go black for a second....every 15 seconds or so. Just affects the picture, not the sound. And it is the only channel that this is happening. I would think this would have to be an issue with KSTR? Any ideas?

I have Dish Network but I am getting my local channels via an antenna and running through the dish converter box. I get all the local channels fine. 2-3 days ago, channel 33 started having an issue where it would go black for a second....every 15 seconds or so. Just affects the picture, not the sound. And it is the only channel that this is happening. I would think this would have to be an issue with KSTR? Any ideas?

I can't answer your question, but welcome aboard.

According to the FCC list I just obtained:
<snip>
and the shocker:

KSNF goes 4/16 as well!!!!

Everyone else around us goes 6/12

Color me suitably shocked. :D

Since I still don't receive it on it's digital channel while I
get the rest just fine, I hope they plan to boost the signal
so I'll get it as well. I certainly am not the only one who
isn't getting it.

Actually I've prepared, just in case they stay the way they
are. I never watch KSNF analog now. I will, perhaps, if they
boost power, but there really isn't much on it now that I
care about, and plenty of things on the other channels. I
wonder if I'm the only one who feels that way? :rolleyes:

hdspgfld, welcome to the forum. Check your private messages in the User CP (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/usercp.php).

Once Bitten,
According to Trip's site, KSNF is already at full power. And they may eventually have to reduce power at some point.
See: http://rabbitears.info/dtr.old.php
Not sure why they would have to reduce power, except for interference to another area station on ch 46 (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?state=&call=&arn=&city=&chan=46&cha2=46&serv=&type=0&facid=&list=1&dist=&dlat2=&mlat2=&slat2=&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&size=9)...

Once Bitten,
According to Trip's site, KSNF is already at full power. And they may eventually have to reduce power at some point. [/URL]...

I was referring to analog 16. Sorry that's unclear. :o

And there's a good reason the file's called "dtr.old.php". :)

- Trip

I was referring to analog 16. Sorry that's unclear. :o

And there's a good reason the file's called "dtr.old.php". :)

- TripGuess I misunderstood what the reduce power was referring to. Sorry.

[Yep, I realize it was from the outdated page.]

I was referring to analog 16. Sorry that's unclear. :o

And there's a good reason the file's called "dtr.old.php". :)

- Trip

Thank you. :) I had read most of that months before now, just
wondering when or if the DIGITAL signal will increase. KODE just
increased to full power recently and it's now the strongest of
all the channels I receive. I was unable to receive it until they
did that. The signal was showing the same strength that KSNF
shows now on my boxes. (Insignias)

So hopefully 16 will follow 12 and let me watch. If not, it isn't
like I don't have something to view.

I DO still wonder why FOX 7.2 and FOX 14.1 are always showing
the same programing. Is it not possible to show sports on one
and regular programing on the other? I'm referring to the
times when Sports would knock out regular shows which some
folks would rather see.

I DO still wonder why FOX 7.2 and FOX 14.1 are always showing
the same programing. Is it not possible to show sports on one
and regular programing on the other? I'm referring to the
times when Sports would knock out regular shows which some
folks would rather see.
Possible yes, but practical... NO.
It would take a second master control position, a second log, a second set of sales contracts for advertising and more.
In addition it would dilute the audience watching the primary channel. All this for a temporary situation.
Some stations are regularly running sub channels on their DTV, but you really don't want that.

...Some stations are regularly running sub channels on their DTV, but you really don't want that.Nope. KY3 & KOZK do it, to the detriment of their "HD" sub channel.

The exception is FOX. FOX network's splicer system allocates x amount of bandwidth for their HD channel and leaves a bit for affiliates to do with as they please. So a sub channel on a FOX station doesn't affect the HD channel. I wish all the networks would do the same....

Nope. KY3 & KOZK do it, to the detriment of their "HD" sub channel.

The exception is FOX. FOX network's splicer system allocates x amount of bandwidth for their HD channel and leaves a bit for affiliates to do with as they please. So a sub channel on a FOX station doesn't affect the HD channel. I wish all the networks would do the same....

Yes. :) And I enjoy having 7.2 and 14. But surely having
Fox on both of them running exactly the same programing
will be changed at some point, for some other kind of
channel?

There are so many things out there, and if they are
only running the same programing, wouldn't it make sense
to have something else, such as weather/news/movies?

I realize that to us viewers, it's just a case of black and
white (no pun intended) and not as easy as one would suppose... ;)

This TV shows MGM Movies and so on.
Universal Sports Olympic Programming and so on.
Yes Springfield/Joplin needs it's own local Weather/Sports/News Channels.

I was watching KSN lastnite and they put on air saying that they would end their analog signal on April 16th ( I know it's been posted here) and go to a full power on their digital signal on May 10th.

I was watching KSN lastnite and they put on air saying that they would end their analog signal on April 16th ( I know it's been posted here) and go to a full power on their digital signal on May 10th.

Boy, one more date to remember.... :D

I'm guessing that they are working like little bees on the
antenna, or transmitter, or whatever. Someone I know lives
in that area and says there has been work going on.

If they boost the power on May 10, maybe I'll have all the
channels I want on my birthday later in the month.

Of course, I need to check guides and whatnot, to remember
what's on NBC that I even want to watch. It's been so long
since I've checked. ;)

Thanks for posting that! :)

Has anyone with Dish Network been able to get KOLR-DT and KSFX-DT? I know they are available now through Dish.

I understand they can either add a second dish, or they can upgrade you to a 1000.4 system. I currently have a 1000.2 system and would like to upgrade. I don't want a second dish on the roof.

I have OTA set up which is just fine, but I'd love to be able to record more than one HD show at a time.

I have the 1000.4 and 722 HDDVR, had it for over a month now without a single bit of trouble. Signal has picked up for me from 129, but I switched right about the same time as the new sat came on.

I have the 1000.4 and 722 HDDVR, had it for over a month now without a single bit of trouble. Signal has picked up for me from 129, but I switched right about the same time as the new sat came on.

1000.4 dish doesn't look at 129, it is for the eastern arc

1000.4 dish doesn't look at 129, it is for the eastern arc

Sorry, I had a 1000.2 before, meant that my signal on the Eastern Arc is much better than I had with 129 before I switched, which is right before the new sat lit up.

For the next three weeks or so, KOLR-10 analog OTA viewers will see something pretty rare.....

We are taking the CBS HD signal and letterboxing it for display on a 4:3 screen.

The disadvantage here is that the CBS SD programming is also letterboxed so it has a black border on all sides.

The two channel audio is derived from a mix of the left, center and right channels of the 5.1 CBS audio.

As far as I know, most cable and satellite companies are taking the DTV signal off air and serving up 4:3 center cut for their SD subscribers.

rhoops,
Thanks for the info. Is this due to equipment changes to get ready for the analog shutoff?

rhoops,
Thanks for the info. Is this due to equipment changes to get ready for the analog shutoff?
Yes. This means we will no longer use the CBS SD feed, which is an entirely different rack from the CBS HD IRD's. CBS will shut down the SD feed at 5 AM April 8, but we don't need it any more.

...CBS will shut down the SD feed at 5 AM April 8, but we don't need it any more.That's what I figured.

Good riddance to it. It's way past time.

Do not buy this cheap chinese knockoff of the CM4228 antenna.
http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/TemporaryPage.html

Because of issues with PSIP and other technical things, Mediacom has been taking KSFX and KOLR off air for quite some time, instead of using the fiber as they had originally intended.

They have some new equipment intended to solve this problem and within the next few days they should revert to fiber. This has the potential to provide a better signal to home viewers. I am not sure if there is increased bandwidth, but it will take the STL and transmitter out of the loop.

I've heard that Mediacom service in other towns besides Springfield will benefit from this too.

AT&T has a similar fiber pickup, as well as fiber to the neighborhood thoughout most of Springfield. I keep expecting an announcment of AT&T U-Verse availability, but haven't heard anything yet.

U-Verse uses fiber to the neighborhood and a copper wire pair to the home, so the bandwidth available is less than cable. It's certainly not comparable to Verizon's FIOS fiber to the home.

I've not found any residential internet service that beats Medicom's 20 MB down and 2 MB upstream service.

... I keep expecting an announcment of AT&T U-Verse availability, but haven't heard anything yet.

U-Verse uses fiber to the neighborhood and a copper wire pair to the home, so the bandwidth available is less than cable...U-verse is available in Little Rock. It is severely limited, when compared to cable or FiOS. Example: Currently, you can only watch one HD channel in your house at a time. The other TVs must watch an SD-only channel or the same HD channel. Not good.

One advantage, channel changing speed is super fast, faster than any other service and as fast as an old analog TV.

U-verse is available in Little Rock. It is severely limited, when compared to cable or FiOS. Example: Currently, you can only watch one HD channel in your house at a time. The other TVs must watch an SD-only channel or the same HD channel. Not good.

One advantage, channel changing speed is super fast, faster than any other service and as fast as an old analog TV.


You can also get U-verse in NW AR. Some friends of mine got it last week. I haven't been over there to see it yet, so I can't comment on the picture quality. You can actually get two separate HD streams and two SD streams simultaneously with U-verse at the moment.

I think it varies, depending on your loop condition. A friend in LR can only watch one HD at a time.

Does anyone know the latest on when Dish will be adding NBCHD and ABCHD to their local HD stations for Springfield?

Can anyone confirm if KOZK/21 and KOZJ/26 (both PBS) ended analog operations last night as was scheduled? Their website hasn't been updated yet.

Thanks,

Can anyone confirm if KOZK/21 and KOZJ/26 (both PBS) ended analog operations last night as was scheduled? Their website hasn't been updated yet.

Thanks,

From sneaky snooper:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOXVQoWl9_c

- Trip

Does anyone know the latest on when Dish will be adding NBCHD and ABCHD to their local HD stations for Springfield?

I think they are in some sort of a contract dispute with the owners.
Dish seems to have a lot of those. You might check
" http://www.satelliteguys.us/dish-network-forum/ "
for the latest information, I haven't seen any real movement to turning them on.
For some strange reason they have put the Springfield HD locals on a Sat at 77 W, so that means you will need a second dish or a 1000.4 dish.

rhoops,

Why is there absolutely no specific information about the upcoming KOLR/KSFX analog shutdown on their web site? It seems like that should be somewhere on the main page of the site. All I could find is vague canned discussions about DTV. Nothing specific to KOLR/KSFX.

rhoops,

Why is there absolutely no specific information about the upcoming KOLR/KSFX analog shutdown on their web site? It seems like that should be somewhere on the main page of the site. All I could find is vague canned discussions about DTV. Nothing specific to KOLR/KSFX.
I asked about that. It seems that the e-media (web) person is still waiting on the offical press release about that. Strange but true.

The station's web site is probably a prime place people go, when looking for hard information about DTV and the analog shutdown.

IMO, important facts like the need to do a channel rescan on D-day should already be on there.

The station's web site is probably a prime place people go, when looking for hard information about DTV and the analog shutdown.

IMO, important facts like the need to do a channel rescan on D-day should already be on there.


My guess is that the large majority of people who aren't DTV ready yet are not internet users either.

However, with the dates changing, and different dates for different stations, etc., the info ought to be on a station's web site.

...with the dates changing, and different dates for different stations, etc., the info ought to be on a station's web site.Especially stations that are changing frequencies on D-day.