Would have worked better I bet if I had the Terrestrial Digital 91XG UHF Antenna!


I have the 91XG UHF It does a great job.

I have the 91XG UHF It does a great job.

I will be glad when I can order one and when it gets on the Fed EX truck!!!

I will be glad when I can order one and when it gets on the Fed EX truck!!!

I'd order it from solid signal if I were you.... otheriwse, if your'e in Missouri... and order from the site, you'd have to pay the sales tax. Sounds to me like that DTV pal isnt doing that great of a job holding onto your signal. I found the Tuner makes a HUGE difference, my channelmaster box does a GREAT job. Everything is rock stable at 25% and above.

I'd order it from solid signal if I were you.... otheriwse, if your'e in Missouri... and order from the site, you'd have to pay the sales tax. Sounds to me like that DTV pal isnt doing that great of a job holding onto your signal. I found the Tuner makes a HUGE difference, my channelmaster box does a GREAT job. Everything is rock stable at 25% and above.

I order my stuff from Solid Signal!!! Because they let ya order by mail and use a money order as payment!!!! And I track order on their website!!!

The DTV Pal Plus states in the manual if a signal drops below 54% its unwatchable!!! And thats definately true!

54% on Dish DTV Pal is equal to 10% or 20% on RCA and Magnavox Box! RCA and Magnavox boxes are not that great!

the RCA box isn't worth propping up a table leg with! I had a friend who had one, and only pulled in half the stations at 50%, and the other half were nowhere to be found. I switched it out for the insignia model (#2 best box) and all signals went immediately to 90%.

the RCA box isn't worth propping up a table leg with! I had a friend who had one, and only pulled in half the stations at 50%, and the other half were nowhere to be found. I switched it out for the insignia model (#2 best box) and all signals went immediately to 90%.

Your right!!! The RCA box was the first box I bought. Big mistake!!! The only thing the RCA boxes are good for is throwing them at a brick wall!!! HA HA Magnavox too!!! Magnavox box another big mistake!!!

Zenith Box is pretty good!

Sometimes have trouble with the DTV Pal Plus! Sometimes I have to unplug it!!! It gets hung up! Won't come on unless you do that sometimes! One time the picture hung up but I still had sound!!!! Unplugged it!! Plugged it back!! And it worked fine again! This only happened a couple of times.

The NAB commercial part of this is airing on serveral local channels!

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This commercial in not just for the places mentioned!! This video is for the whole USA!!!!

Contract your local senators and congress and express how important OTA is to you!!!!

FCC contract is for all of the USA!

how can I save what I don't get? (hint: its a CBS affiliate on a worthless VHF)


I'm frankly sick of the hypocritical Nexstar people...

We're mad that we might have to go to one SD feed. (You won't approve the capex to go HD, and your GM says SD is good enough...)

We want free OTA, but we picked a worthless frequency so people will have to PAY to get us...that stream dries up, we're out of business.

Memo to Nexstar: I will NEVER and I repeat NEVER under any circumstance pay to get your inferior, low brow programming. You have less regard for the viewer than a certain NBC affiliate does, and I don't play that. If you want me to help you stay in business, I suggest the following:

1. Fix KOLR's lackluster Channel 10 VHF frequency. It doesn't work, and YOU know it. I'm not paying for what's supposed to be FREE OTA viewing.

2. Fix your lackluster product. There's not a single compelling reason to watch KOLR anymore. The news product is lousy, the syndicated programming isn't in HD and its not for me. And yes, I have an alternative way to get CBS & FOX programming.

3. Fix the attitude over there. When you have a GM and a CEO who don't give a flying fig that no one can get their station (see #1) and an engineer who keeps making up reasons why KOLR's signal is lackluster (see the 'we didn't pick 10' post which is complete bullcrap)

Simply put, if Nexstar cleans up its act, I might be inclined to help them keep OTA alive. But as it is now, I have no incentive to do so because they have no regard for me as a viewer. Expecting me to pay for THEIR incompetence is not acceptable.

KOLR 10 signal sucks but we don't want to lose all of the other channels we get Over The Air Free!!!! Especially UHF!!!!

You may not want to save KOLR 10!!! But we need to save all the UHF's OTA!!!!

Because if the government, FCC and the broadband internet people gets their way OTA might be limited or they may not be no OTA period!!!

If this happens you will have to watch your shows on the Internet or Pay for Cable or Satelite to get what your suppost to get free!

KOLR 10 signal sucks but we don't want to lose all of the other channels we get Over The Air Free!!!! Especially UHF!!!!

You may not want to save KOLR 10!!! But we need to save all the UHF's OTA!!!!

Because if the government, FCC and the broadband internet people gets their way OTA might be limited or they may not be no OTA period!!!

If this happens you will have to watch your shows on the Internet or Pay for Cable or Satelite to get what your suppost to get free!

Get over it, Nexstar has no regard for anyone other than themselves. THEY'RE NOT FIXING KOLR10. They won't as long as they have a protected monopoly. If they had serious competition (and KY/KSPR isn't really such) they might get the hint they're losing viewers and revenue. In the case of pay services, they're getting the money from Directv, DISH, and Cable, REGARDLESS of if anyone watches.

Perry Sook (Nexstar's CHEAP executive officer), Mark Gordon (Leader of KOLR/KSFX), and rhoops (engineer who doesn't get it) have shown by their actions they could care less about OTA (or any) viewers. Let 'em rot. I'll get my CBS & FOX elsewhere, and yes I'm willing to pay to watch CBS and FOX from sources other than Nexstar. However, the government is interested in protecting their monopolies.

I opted out of Directv's Springfield locals on principle. I'm not rewarding Nexstar for their bad behavior. I SHOULD be able to get KOLR off-air. I can't. If KOLR is wanting me to get the product for free, they should offer it on a signal I can get, FOR FREE, however they picked a WORTHLESS VHF they KNEW wouldn't work, (and did not bother to test) with the idea that as long as they can provide the minimum the FCC requires they can continue to milk the cable and satellite guys for money. They're not getting mine.

I've stated that I've already found alternatives to Nexstar's lackluster product. There's less and less 'local' about local TV every day.

Having seen problems with VHF DTV reception when I lived in Little Rock (KETS & KTHV), I told rhoops way back that there would probably be problems with reliable reception, at the weak power levels they are transmitting at. Problems in Chicago and several other cities should've told them a train wreck was coming.

Latest VHF nightmares from Trip's site (http://rabbitears.info):WNJB 8 PBS New Brunswick, NJ (NJN)
01/08/10: WNJB has requested a power increase with agreement.
* Licensed: 705' 17.9 kW DA
* Immediate: 705' 21.7 kW DA
* Ultimate: 705' 40.8 kW DA


WABC 7 ABC New York, NY (ABC)
06/29/09: WABC has requested a power increase.
01/08/10: WABC has requested a power increase with agreement.
* Licensed: 1328' 11.7 kW ND
* Requested: 1328' 27.0 kW ND
* Immediate: 1328' 17.0 kW ND
* Ultimate: 1328' 34.0 kW ND


WGAL 8 NBC Lancaster, PA (Hearst-Argyle)
07/13/09: WGAL has requested an increase in power.
08/25/09: WGAL has requested SIX fill-in translators.
01/08/10: WGAL has requested a further power increase with agreement.
* Channel 8 Then: 1676' 8.10 kW ND
* Channel 8 Now: 1676' 14.1 kW ND
* Channel 43: 1277' 15.0 kW DA (Harrisburg)
* Channel 49: 604' 15.0 kW ND (Ephrata)
* Channel 31: 1237' 15.0 kW DA (Gettysburg)
* Channel 15: ----' 15.0 kW ND (Lancaster)
* Channel 27: 269' 8.50 kW DA (Carlisle)
* Channel 27: 503' 14.8 kW DA (Red Lion)
* Channel 8 Ultimate: 1676' 32.2 kW ND

EDIT: Add WBIQ ch 10 Birmingham to the list of VHF nightmares:
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-10-57A1.pdf

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So sneaky snooper Do you watch Over The Air TV from a different market then? Or how do you watch your shows?

What your not getting is if they take away Over The Air Free Antenna TV you will not have any alternatives!!!!

You will either have to watch your shows on the Internet which I'm sure you do, or pay for satelite or cable which your not going to do! Or just watch Blueray, DVD's or VHS!

You should be worried that they might take away Over The Air free TV!

They might even start charging money to watch free shows on the internet! If they get the idea in there head!

Having seen problems with VHF DTV reception when I lived in Little Rock (KETS & KTHV), I told rhoops way back that there would probably be problems with reliable reception, at the weak power levels they are transmitting at. Problems in Chicago and several other cities should've told them a train wreck was coming.

Latest VHF nightmares from Trip's site (http://rabbitears.info):

EDIT: Add WBIQ ch 10 Birmingham to the list of VHF nightmares:
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-10-57A1.pdf

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Does stations trying to transmit on a VHF frequency at these low power levels have a hearing problems or mental problems?

I bet a 3 year old could tell them it isn't going to work!!!

I vote move to UHF!!!

But if stations are too stubborn to leave VHF tell the FCC they need to move your power levels closer to 160 kW!

I feel for you guys down there. If I were living around Springfield, I'd be watching The Young And the Restless on CBS.com, that's for sure. There's OTHER stations in the market for local news, after all. From my summertime viewing... I like KSFX, myself. WIBW in Topeka has applied to the FCC to simulcast on thier old UHF 44 frequency, and they should lighting up their UHF transmitter any day now. Seems maybe they care about thier viewership. But damn.... KOAM broadcasts at less power than KOLR, don't they? I bet their signal really sucks.

So sneaky snooper do you watch Over The Air TV from a different market then? Or how do you watch your shows?

I'm not saying save kolr! Or VHF!! VHF sucks period!!!!

What your not getting is if they take away Over The Air Free Antenna TV you will not have any alternatives!!!!

You will either have to watch your shows on the Internet which I'm sure you do, or pay for satelite or cable which your not going to do! Or just watch Blueray, DVD's or VHS!

You should be worried that they might take away Over The Air free TV!


They might even start charging money to watch free shows on the internet! If they get the idea in there head!


I've had to post this now THREE times, and I'm tired of repeating it...

Why should I care if they're taking away what I can't get to begin with?

NEXSTAR IS TOO F****** CHEAP TO FIX KOLR. They're not going to spend money on something when they're milking the pay subscribers.

Nexstar already TOOK my free option to get CBS away by going back to the ultra worthless VHF 10.

All I care to say is I have an alternate method to get network programming.

KOLR can't, won't, and doesn't offer what I want so they don't get my business.

I'm probably going to suggest to congress they go ahead and reclaim the spectrum. Stations like KOLR and its management are worthless.

Nexstar needs to learn the lesson that if they don't serve the viewer, they get no advertisers, lose revenue and die.

I already stated I get Directv. I opted out of Springfield locals because I refuse to give Nexstar any support of their rotten behavior.

Again, Nexstar can rot for all I care. They've lost me, and they're not getting me back.

... WIBW in Topeka has applied to the FCC to simulcast on thier old UHF 44 frequency, and they should lighting up their UHF transmitter any day now. Seems maybe they care about thier viewership. But damn.... KOAM broadcasts at less power than KOLR, don't they? I bet their signal really sucks.With the exception of PBS, Topeka will be an all UHF market, like KC & St Louis. I have friends near there that are pleased CBS Topeka will be receivable again. They lost it when analog shut down.

KOAM 7 is weak as water. It's closer to me than Fordland, but I've never received their DTV station. I used to watch their analog 7 though. VHF DTV just doesn't travel far, like VHF NTSC did. No knife-edge refraction, either, unlike UHF.

Here's anther VHF nightmare from Trip's site:
1/11/10: KFDA 10, CBS Amarillo, TX has requested an increase in power.
* Licensed: 1528' 20.8 kW ND
* Requested: 1528' 62.0 kW ND

62kW ERP is approaching a more reasonable power level for channel 10.

KOAM 7 is weak as water. It's closer to me than Fordland, but I've never received their DTV station. I used to watch their analog 7 though. VHF DTV just doesn't travel far, like VHF NTSC did. No knife-edge refraction, either, unlike UHF.


We haven't tried to recieve KOAM since the transition, but we always got it fine on analog. It might sound like I am giving conflicting information... but our family has 2 farms. My primary residence is on the Johnson/Lafayette county line (35 miles east of KC), and our other farm is in extreme southern Bates county, about 2 miles from the Vernon County line. Here at my primary residence, I LOVE being all UHF, every channel withinh reasonable reach is UHF, all KC locals, plus I also get KMOS and KMIZ. I always watch KMIZ's news, because Kansas City's news coverage is so "city centric" and doesn't give enough state legislative coverage, etc. (Although Sharon Ray bugs me, she dresses too casually and has a head like a watermelon) But at our farm by Hume, wer'e gonna swirl our UHf toward Joplin and see if anything comes in. Our noise margin on channel 12 is only about 2 db worse there than for the KMBC-9. I'd be interested to know if the higher power VHF's around the country are faring much better, or if they are still fraught with issues?

Anecdotal, I know, but my local upper-VHF station has an amazing signal; I've heard almost no complaints. I'm getting it on a low-VHF antenna without issue.

I discussed it with a few people (including one in this thread) and the conclusion we drew was that since my local station had a new transmitter and antenna, and other stations with similarly new transmitters and antennas had fewer complaints, that recycling old gear may be the problem. Even VHF digitals built a few years ago don't seem to do as well as VHF digitals that are built from the ground up now.

- Trip

And not only is kolr way underpowered, their antenna is what, ~40 years old?

I've had to post this now THREE times, and I'm tired of repeating it...

Why should I care if they're taking away what I can't get to begin with?

I'm probably going to suggest to congress they go ahead and reclaim the spectrum. Stations like KOLR and its management are worthless.


You should care, because this is a package deal, and if one affiliate goes, they ALL may go. It's wrong to punish the good broadcasters for the actions of KOLR. There are many of us out here who DEPEND on OTA for our Tornado warnings... all of us farmers have NO sirens, NO cable, and Satellite goes out in severe weather. NOAA weather radio is practically worthless anymore, now that theyv'e switched to a computer voice, and that won't help the hearing impaired. So please, aim your bazookas at who deserves it. I will say this, you have EVERY RIGHT to feel the way you do about KOLR, let me relay this experience I had, and you will see how a station SHOULD do things:

Originally, KMBC-9 was going to go back to it's original VHF-9 channel. But once they found out all the difficulties associated with digital VHF, they immediately applied for a UHF reassignment, nearly a year BEFORE transition. They were already upset because pre-transition, their digital signal was squashed to the south because of interference issues with KOAM. they had to field MANY calls from early digital converts with reception problems to the south (Me being one of them). I called about 6 months before transition and spoke to BOTH the General Manager of KMBC, and the chief engineer. I wanted to know for certain whether I was going to have to make VHF provisions or not. I asked them about their UHF re-assignment, and they said it looked good.... but these men were CRAPPING BROKEN GLASS over the prospect of having to go back to VHF. They had a contingency plan B. They told me to go ahead and get all UHF equipment, as they also owned a CW affiliate in the same market on UHF, and if their re-assignment didn't come through, then they would simulcast KMBC on the subchannel of their UHF affiliate. They told me, NO MATTER WHAT, that KMBC was going to be broadcast on UHF. It turns out their re-assignment was approved, and everything turned out great for them, and their viewers... and they didn't have to risk their position as the number one news division in the market. they TOOK CARE OF THEIR VIEWERS, and are now reaping the benefits. That's the way it's DONE.

kolr could easily multicast on a sub channel of their very strong sister station, KSFX (UHF 28), if they wanted to. Nexstar does this in the Ft Smith/Fayetteville market on their Nexstar/Mission duopoly KNWA/KFTA, to reach more viewers. The bandwidth for a sub channel on KSFX is already set aside by FOX's equipment. So, they could do 480i or 480p @ 16:9, without affecting KSFX's HD picture quality at all.

It wouldn't be HD, but it would be dropout-free and reach a helluva lot more people, especially in severe weather, when kolr 10 is totally useless.

But like you said, that would involve kolr's GM actually giving a sh*t about their OTA viewers.

Originally, KMBC-9 was going to go back to it's original VHF-9 channel. But once they found out all the difficulties associated with digital VHF, they immediately applied for a UHF reassignment, nearly a year BEFORE transition. They were already upset because pre-transition, their digital signal was squashed to the south because of interference issues with KOAM.

I think KMBC's digital was on VHF 7 pre-transition. They found it so awful they smartly abandoned the idea. Guess who jumped on VHF-7 when KMBC cleared out? Nexstar's KQTV in St. Joe...


People in KC complained, and KMBC listened and fixed the problem. Nexstar doesn't care at all about the viewer and just wants to pocket the operational savings and subscription fees. That's what you get when you live in a tiny market like Springfield/Columbia/Jeff City/St. Joseph...

I think KMBC's digital was on VHF 7 pre-transition. They found it so awful they smartly abandoned the idea. Guess who jumped on VHF-7 when KMBC cleared out? Nexstar's KQTV in St. Joe...


People in KC complained, and KMBC listened and fixed the problem. Nexstar doesn't care at all about the viewer and just wants to pocket the operational savings and subscription fees. That's what you get when you live in a tiny market like Springfield/Columbia/Jeff City/St. Joseph...


I listen to a radio station occasionally in St. Joe, and on local talk shows, there were a ton of complaints about KQTV. Years ago, in the 70's... I used to receive KQTV constantly, it was VERY snowy, but still there. I used to watch Dolly Parton's variety show on there in 1976-77, as none of the KC stations aired it. But ever since sometime in the 80's, I never saw a PEEP from them. I'm also hacked off that KMIZ is transmitting at 125KW, when all the UHF's in KC and St. Louis are broadcasting at 1000KW. I mean, PLEASE. I'm stunned that KQFX has a subchannel available and KOLR ins't using it? why the hell not? KQFX is STRONG. That's the one channel I get here about 3 nights a week during the warm seasons, and I'm 124 miles from Fordland!

KSFX. Yeah, it's 1,000kW ERP and blasts out of Fordland as strong as KSPR. I can pick it up 24/7, with an indoor rabbit ear/loop antenna @ almost 72 miles away. I've never even seen a blip from kolr 10 on that TV, though.

All FOX affiliates have bandwidth in their 6mhz channel automatically set aside by the FOX splicer equipment, for use as a sub channel or whatever. The rest of the bandwidth is used for FOX HD. At KSFX, that sub channel bandwidth is just sitting there, unused.

Yes move KOLR 10 to KSFX (RF 28) as a sub channel even if its SD at least people could watch it!!!!

KSFX-HD 27-1
KOLR-SD 27-2

Sorry Arxaw!!! I my post wasn't clear before what I was saying!

I did not suggest they move it to KSFX RF 28. Only that CBS programming be added to KSFX as an SD sub channel, so more viewers could watch it and watch it without dropouts.

You should care, because this is a package deal, and if one affiliate goes, they ALL may go. It's wrong to punish the good broadcasters for the actions of KOLR. There are many of us out here who DEPEND on OTA for our Tornado warnings... all of us farmers have NO sirens, NO cable, and Satellite goes out in severe weather. NOAA weather radio is practically worthless anymore, now that theyv'e switched to a computer voice, and that won't help the hearing impaired. So please, aim your bazookas at who deserves it. I will say this, you have EVERY RIGHT to feel the way you do about KOLR, let me relay this experience I had, and you will see how a station SHOULD do things:



We're talking about Nexstar here. In most of their markets they only have one 'competitor'. In Springfield, they have one with a second due to arrive any day now.

Neither Nexstar nor its competitor, Schurz (KY/KSPR's operator) do not attempt to compete with one another. Both offer pure crap for news and 'local' programming.

Every other phrase out of their mouths is 'see our website at <site>'. Frankly, I'm not interested in going through pages of useless and tasteless ads to find the information. Again, serve the audience who watches and don't insult my intelligence. Local TV can't seem to do this anymore.

There's nothing on 'local' TV I can't get elsewhere.

We're talking about Nexstar here. In most of their markets they only have one 'competitor'. In Springfield, they have one with a second due to arrive any day now.

Neither Nexstar nor its competitor, Schurz (KY/KSPR's operator) do not attempt to compete with one another. Both offer pure crap for news and 'local' programming.

Every other phrase out of their mouths is 'see our website at <site>'. Frankly, I'm not interested in going through pages of useless and tasteless ads to find the information. Again, serve the audience who watches and don't insult my intelligence. Local TV can't seem to do this anymore.

There's nothing on 'local' TV I can't get elsewhere.



I guess I'm not aware of how bad nexstar is, because we don't have any in my range... mine are Meridith, Scripps Howard, Hearst/Argyle, Local TV LLC, and JW broadcasting That's alot of healthy competition.

Hearst, Local TV LLC, Mission/Nextar run the show in NW Ark. Local TV does the best job, with Hearst coming in second. Mission/Nextar dead last.

None of them are very good at running a TV station.

Hearst, Local TV LLC, Mission/Nextar run the show in NW Ark. Local TV does the best job, with Hearst coming in second. Mission/Nextar dead last.

None of them are very good at running a TV station.

At least you don't have to deal with Barrington. They are based out of the Chicago area and I'm sure give a rats about anything except making money. KRCG is owned by them in Jeff City and they run 15kw on VHF 12. Barrington is made up of several executives that already ran one TV ownership business bankrupt. Now most of their stations are separate LLC's.

It is too bad the networks don't step in and do something about this. For example, FOX should be appalled that the Columbia affiliate is a low power UHF station! Give me a break. It isn't 1986 anymore. CBS should be all over the stations that can't get their OTA signal right. But I guess if the local owners don't care, why should the networks. They want to cut the affiliates out of the mix altogether anyway!

I'm excited!!! Tomorrow!!!! I finally get to order the Terrestrial Digital 91XG UHF TV Antenna from Solid Signal!!!!

I plan to order by mail!

If my calculations are correct I should get it January 25!!!!

I'm excited!!! Tomorrow!!!! I finally get to order the Terrestrial Digital 91XG UHF TV Antenna from Solid Signal!!!!

I plan to order by mail!

If my calculations are correct I should get it January 26!!!!

Hopefully, you'll get some more reception with that. I bet you'll at least get KSFX with that. You have to assemble it, you know. if you have any difficulties, let me know here... I can help you out, i've assembled 4 of them! I can do it with my eyes closed. One thing I do have to tell you. When you hook your coax to it, HOLD the female F-connector on the black balun box firm with a pair of needle nose pliers WHILE you are screwing the coax on. The female F-connector will turn inside the balun box if you don't, and you risk breaking connections inside there if you don't hold it firm.

Hopefully, you'll get some more reception with that. I bet you'll at least get KSFX with that. You have to assemble it, you know. if you have any difficulties, let me know here... I can help you out, i've assembled 4 of them! I can do it with my eyes closed. One thing I do have to tell you. When you hook your coax to it, HOLD the female F-connector on the black balun box firm with a pair of needle nose pliers WHILE you are screwing the coax on. The female F-connector will turn inside the balun box if you don't, and you risk breaking connections inside there if you don't hold it firm.

Thanks a lot!!! I hope I get KSFX!!! Hopefully I will get KSPR, KYTV, and KOZK too!

Sometimes I get some of the UHF's from Memphis TN and Little Rock AR! Maybe this new antenna could improve them!

Oklahoma City CBS affiliate KWTV abandoning VHF channel 9 for UHF ch 39.
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-10-109A1.pdf

Oklahoma City CBS affiliate KWTV abandoning VHF channel 9 for UHF ch 39.
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-10-109A1.pdf

Smart decision!!!!

UHF 14-51 are the only ones that really exist in reality!!!! 1000 kW is a bonus!!! 1000 kW is what I would recomend!!!

Oklahoma City CBS affiliate KWTV abandoning VHF channel 9 for UHF ch 39.
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-10-109A1.pdf

What did KOLR do with their pre-transition UHF gear?

AFAIK, it's still in nexstar's possession, just sitting there. KOLR pre-transition was on channel 52, which has been auctioned off by the FCC.

Some of the equipment could be modified and reused for use on an in-core UHF channel. Plenty of UHF channels available in this market.

WTSP VHF 10 CBS St. Petersburg, FL
1/21/10: WTSP has requested an increase in power.
* Licensed: 1499' 37.0 kW DA
* Requested: 1499' 78.0 kW DA

From Ethan Forhentz's Facebook:
Uh oh. Technical issues. Major computer failure. Looks like the HD debut WON'T be Monday. That's why we do rehearsals!
3 hours ago

Just because I felt like rubbing this into No Regard and Nexstar's faces:

KRBK will be in HD! Yes, HD!

I took a field trip by the soon to be KRBK studios and found this on the door:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2722/4301385933_50e8b2231b_o_d.jpg


And no I'm not kidding.

Its nice to see a state of the art station coming to town...

KRBK's coverage area:
http://www.fcc.gov/ftp/Bureaus/MB/Databases/fm_tv_service_areas/maps/DT1274791.jpg

(likely more accurate than kolr's map - LOL)

Here's a better map I ran this evening:

http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1274791&map=Y

May fail to load or load slowly on older computers or slow connections.

- Trip

Trip in VA Your Rabbitears Website is Awesome!!!!!

Just because I felt like rubbing this into No Regard and Nexstar's faces:

KRBK will be in HD! Yes, HD!

I took a field trip by the soon to be KRBK studios and found this on the door:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2722/4301385933_50e8b2231b_o_d.jpg


And no I'm not kidding.

Its nice to see a state of the art station coming to town...

When are they going to start broadcasting?

Trip in VA Your Rabbitears Website is Awesome!!!!!

Glad you like it. I've made similar maps for KYTV, KOLR, KSFX, and KWBM which are available if you click on the link that used to take you to the FCC's contour maps. :)

- Trip

When are they going to start broadcasting?

Any day now. They're due to start selling ads this week.

Any day now. They're due to start selling ads this week.

Cool. Thanks!

Glad you like it. I've made similar maps for KYTV, KOLR, KSFX, and KWBM which are available if you click on the link that used to take you to the FCC's contour maps. :)Yep, much better map. Took quite a while to load on my connection, though.

I couldn't find your link to other stations' contour maps on your site.... ?

I couldn't find your link to other stations' contour maps on your site.... ?

http://www.rabbitears.info/screencaps/1-temp/click.png

Click that link on the station you want, then there's a link at the bottom that asks if you want a Longley-Rice overlay that you have to click to get the colorful map.

- Trip

Trip,
I got the other stations' maps to load (with a blue/purple coverage area ring), but never saw a link for Longley-Rice overlay. :(

Using Firefox 3.6 for Linux.

Trip,
I got the other stations' maps to load (with a blue/purple coverage area ring), but never saw a link for Longley-Rice overlay. :(

Using Firefox 3.6 for Linux.

Here's the link to look for:

http://www.rabbitears.info/screencaps/1-temp/click2.png

I know it's not the most intuitive thing in the world. Right now I'm more worried about getting a diverse set of maps.

And on Linux you could run your own maps. If you'd like the instructions, let me know. You'll need to have perl installed.

- Trip

http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx158/outdoortvreception/TV%20Antennas/TVAntenna-1.jpg

UHF 12 FT and VHF 9 FT above the roof! UHF 30 FT and VHF 27 FT above ground level!!!

I use the DTV Pal Plus!

Here's the link to look for:
http://www.rabbitears.info/screencaps/1-temp/click2.pngThanks.

I saw that link on the very first map I loaded (kolr), but never on any subsequent maps for other stations. Here's all I get:
http://i48.tinypic.com/25g5pu1.jpg

Here's the overlay map (http://i50.tinypic.com/izs2a0.jpg) for kolr's predicted reception at my house. I don't think Longley-Rice prediction for kolr is accurate at all.

Which Linux are you running? I find that sometimes Firefox fails to load it and so I've been using Google Chrome just to look at the maps.

- Trip

Which Linux are you running? I find that sometimes Firefox fails to load it and so I've been using Google Chrome just to look at the maps.Ubuntu Linux Mint 7 (gnome).

I just tried again and the map for kolr shows the link to the Longley-Rice overlay. But the map for KSPR does not. I also tried this in google chrome and got the exact same results, so it doesn't appear to be browser specific.

Firefox v3.5.7 (went back to it from 3.6 after other unrelated problems).
Gooble Chrome v4.0.249.43

KSPR is not one I've run a map for.

KYTV, KOLR, KSFX, KWBM, and KRBK are the ones I've run for Springfield so far.

- Trip

KSPR is not one I've run a map for.

KYTV, KOLR, KSFX, KWBM, and KRBK are the ones I've run for Springfield so far.

- Trip

The only maps I can get the Longley-Rice overlay to work on are KYTV, KOLR, KWBM, and KRBK for The Springfield MO Market?

KSFX doesn't have this at the bottom. See this map with Longley-Rice calculations overlaid? Click here.

The only maps I can get the Longley-Rice overlay to work on are KYTV, KOLR, KWBM, and KRBK for The Springfield MO Market?

KSFX doesn't have this at the bottom. See this map with Longley-Rice calculations overlaid? Click here.

Apparently, I generated the map and then failed to upload it. It's now been uploaded and should be there. :)

- Trip

Apparently, I generated the map and then failed to upload it. It's now been uploaded and should be there. :)

- Trip

Cool!!! I see it now!!! Thank you very much!!!!

Your Website is the best!!!

When you get a chance or if you want to can you please make one for KAIT and KTEJ in the Jonesboro AR Market?

Also could you make one for KPOB in Poplar Bluff MO! In the Paducah KY Market! I'm about 63 air miles or so away from that transmitter but its too low power for me to pick up! Their ERP is 34.5 kW! Probably why their power level is so low is because its a translator station for WSIL!

They're running now in this order:

KPOB
KTEJ-50 kW
KAIT
KTEJ-419 kW
KVTJ

You can watch for them to pop up one by one. They take about 15-25 minutes each, though some of the more vicious ones can be 30 minutes.

EDIT: I accidentally flipped the order on the KTEJ. I just uploaded KTEJ-419 kW. KAIT is running now, then KTEJ-50 kW.

- Trip

Thanks Again! The Maps are awesome!!!

KSPR is not one I've run a map for.Ah. No wonder I couldn't get it to display the link. :)

I figured KSFX and KYTV would be enough. :p

KAIT, both KTEJ facilities, and KPOB are now uploaded. KVTJ is running and should be done soon enough.

- Trip

This is cool!!! I'm getting KTEJ and KVTJ both at 66-71%!!! Not even in the coverage area!!!

Got KTEJ at 58-64% all day today!!!! Be glad when they change the power from 50 kW to 419 kW!

KAIT 8 has been on its best behavior today hasn't screwed up once!!! I'll keep my fingers crossed!!! Because my luck will probably run out!!!

Right now its 81-86%!!!! Today it was 69-81%!

KSFX map is up and running!!!
http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1167752&map=Y

I figured KSFX and KYTV would be enough. :p
That's cool. I was just trying to compare my strongest Springfield station, KSPR, with my weakest one, kolr.

Alright, well I'm running Huntsville AL stations right now, but when those are done, I will run KSPR for you.

- Trip

Thanks.

My brother lives in Huntsville. I'd pull up his house, but it's brand new and not on google maps yet.

That's cool. I was just trying to compare my strongest Springfield station, KSPR, with my weakest one, kolr.

Springfield Reception Based on my Location and Experience! Past and Present!

KSPR must be the strongest Springfield Station! Singal Bad in the Red on Zenith! AND Jump a hare in Green then back to red!
KYTV Second, Signal Bad in the Red!
KSFX Third, No Signal Tonight!
KOZK Fourth, No Signal Tonight! Sometimes shows up Signal Bad in the Red!
KOLR is definately the Weakest!!!! Signal in the Red! If KOLR was in school it would get an F!!!!

I use the Zenith Box to tell with any weak signals are coming in but too weak to get picture and sound!

The main box I use is the DTV Pal Plus!

Hey arxaw is this part about right? KSPR, KYTV, KSFX, KOZK, and KOLR? Please make changes if this is different for you!

The only different is you got signal!!!

Thanks.

My brother lives in Huntsville. I'd pull up his house, but it's brand new and not on google maps yet.

WHDF is up. I'm also running WAFF's current facility and WAFF's permit, since that seems to be everyone's problem signal there. I wasn't planning to run any others.

- Trip

is this part about right? KSPR, KYTV, KSFX, KOZK, and KOLR? Individual stations will vary in signal strength at different locations, due to terrain and elevation.

Springfield stations in order of my normal signal strength:
KSPR 98-100% LOS
KSFX 93-98% LOS
KOZK 93-98% LOS
KYTV 87-93% LOS
KOLR 60-65% LOS
K17DL 45% 1-edge (I'm well outside the predicted K17DL coverage area)
kolr has dropouts with weather and electrical interference, making it unsusable for DVRing or trying to watch in severe weather. None of the others (including K17DL) have interference problems severe enough to cause frequent dropouts.

Ft Smith/Fayetteville stations I receive:
KPBI 93% LOS RTV
KNWA 93% LOS NBC
KHOG 98% 1-edge ABC
KFSM 100% 1-edge CBS
KAFT 83-85% LOS PBS
KFTA 55-62% 2-edge FOX (I'm outside the predicted coverage area)

Of all the Ft Smith/Fayetteville stations, only KAFT (VHF 9) suffers from dropouts. They are doubling power soon to ~40kW ERP, so maybe that will help. Or not. :rolleyes:

Trip's got KSPR's and KOZK's Longley-Rice calculations overlaid!

http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1248539&map=Y

http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=680542&map=Y

KSPR's LL prediction at my address (green) is pretty much spot on.

But KOZK & KOLR's are not. It's predicts KOLR as much stronger than KOZK, but in reality, the opposite is true.

KSPR, KSFX, KYTV, KOZK & KOLR prediction at my address big White Spot!!! With red spots around my city! Out in the country!

Pretty Accurate for me!

http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx158/outdoortvreception/TV%20Antennas/HomemadeTVAntenna-1.jpg

Duct Taped VHF Dipole Antenna To Pole!!!

But since it picks up VHF! It comes with all the VHF problems! In my area!

Picks up VHF and UHF if you live close enough to their viewing areas!

During Tropo it picks up KATV 22 abc, KTHV 12 CBS, Little Rock AR! From Memphis TN it picks up WMC 5 NBC, WREG 28 CBS, WKNO 29! Thats all I can remember right now!

I'm excited!!! I had KSPR for a few Seconds!!!! KSPR is the strongest Springfield Station! In my area!

My bet is when springtime gets here... those skies will open up and you will get all KINDS of stuff. I almost never get KMIZ in the winter, but when April arrives, it's reliable almost EVERY night at 77 miles. I got it back a couple weeks ago when we had snow cover! and then when the snow melted, I lost it again.

My bet is when springtime gets here... those skies will open up and you will get all KINDS of stuff. I almost never get KMIZ in the winter, but when April arrives, it's reliable almost EVERY night at 77 miles. I got it back a couple weeks ago when we had snow cover! and then when the snow melted, I lost it again.

Your right!!! Can't wait until then!!!!

I guess you didn't have any problem getting the XG-91 put together? I guess you made sure the butterfly directors were all facing the proper direction?

I guess you didn't have any problem getting the XG-91 put together? I guess you made sure the butterfly directors were all facing the proper direction?

Piece of cake!!!

I believe I got them the right direction!

This side with the most metal showing points toward the transmitters correct?

The side with the most plastic facing away from transmitters correct?

This antenna is the best!

Thanks for all your help!

I strongly suggest you get a rotor for the XG91. At long distances, just a few degrees off-aim can make or break reception. And the best direction to aim it may fluctuate with atmospheric conditions.

They just mentioned on the Noon News that they will be HD tonight at 5 PM.

Splat with Windows GUI - Beta

http://www.ve3ncq.ca/reframe.php?page=SPLATsoftware.shtml

Just because I felt like rubbing this into No Regard and Nexstar's faces:

KRBK will be in HD! Yes, HD!

I took a field trip by the soon to be KRBK studios and found this on the door:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2722/4301385933_50e8b2231b_o_d.jpg


And no I'm not kidding.

Its nice to see a state of the art station coming to town...

Anyone know what channel KRBK will be on?
Are they staying on 49?

Anyone know what channel KRBK will be on?
Are they staying on 49?

Yes their staying on 49!

They just mentioned on the Noon News that they will be HD tonight at 5 PM.

It's the first day, so they will get better, but KY3 has some definite problems.

1. Audio unsteady, with some clicking noises.
2. Studio picture good, but pixelation due to lack of bandwidth.
3. Apparently no HD field cameras.
4. Their SD recordings are stretched to 16:9, adding 20 pounds to a fuzzy Marie Saavedre tonight. Seriously, they've gotta stick with the proper aspect ratio.

It will get better, but KSPR HD was excellent out of the box.

.......1. Audio unsteady, with some clicking noises.....

I noticed that also, wondered if it was on my end, thanks.

I decoded....

KSPR-DT, 33-1, KSPR/abc
KSPR-CW, 33-2, Blank picture!

I guess KYTV is fixing to move CW off of 3-2 to 33-2.
'Bout time.

I guess KYTV is fixing to move CW off of 3-2 to 33-2.
'Bout time.

Its happening. 33-2 is live and in HD. There are those pesky black bars on my screen. *grumble*

If you don't like "black bars" zoom/stretch/distort the picture to fill your screen, using your TV's aspect button. At least the station's not stretching it, which makes it impossible for the viewer to watch it in original aspect ratio.

The downside is, KSPR is now running two 720p sub channels. There goes ABC-HD picture quality.

I did a rescan last night and my tv picked up 19-4. Any idea who this channel is associated with? It is coming in at 85 percent in bolivar, mo. There is no programing or program info.

KSPR is on RF channel 19, so that's what you are seeing. When PSIP is properly configured, you will see 33-1 and 33-2. I can't imagine what the -4 is all about.

I did a rescan last night and my tv picked up 19-4. Any idea who this channel is associated with? It is coming in at 85 percent in bolivar, mo. There is no programing or program info.

I can't imagine what the -4 is all about.

Program number.

- Trip

@Ithai,
If you key in 19-3, you get KSPR ABC (aka 33-1)
If you key in 19-4, you get KSPR CW (aka 33-2)
That is not unusual, but it should remap to 33-1 and 33-2.

The bigger issue is picture quality. ABC-HD on 33-1 has gone all to hell. It looked so perfectly sharp w/o pixelization before the multicasting 720p on two sub channels started. Really sad to see the degradation in picture quality tonight.

I'm sorry to hear KSPR has been degraded!

This is my opinion but KSPR had the the best picture quality for abc-HD! Compared to the other abc's I have picked up!

@Ithai,

The bigger issue is picture quality. ABC-HD on 33-1 has gone all to hell. It looked so perfectly sharp w/o pixelization before the multicasting 720p on two sub channels started. Really sad to see the degradation in picture quality tonight.

I'm not seeing the pixelation right now, but the 33-2 picture source is a ratty SD with bars. What sort of bandwidth allocation system do they have?

KSPR is on RF channel 19, so that's what you are seeing. When PSIP is properly configured, you will see 33-1 and 33-2. I can't imagine what the -4 is all about.

This, folks, is why Nexstar is in the crapper. (Now the whole 10 fiasco becomes clearer...when their 'engineers' don't even understand the basics of PSIP)

I hear Nexstar is doing 16:9 SD news now. I guess that gear is on ebay now.

Now if they'd just buy an engineer from ebay.

I'm not seeing the pixelation right now, but the 33-2 picture source is a ratty SD with bars. What sort of bandwidth allocation system do they have?

A questionable one.

A severely overtaxed bandwidth allocation system. You can't get blood out of a turnip.

On a 52" set, KSPR's ABC-"hd" now looks mushy and grainy, and pixelates on scene changes. Sub-DVD quality, which was pristine HD before.

Maybe it is because I have a 32 inch that is 720p but kspr looks great on my tv. It hasn't changed since they have added the -2 to 33. 19-4 does now jump me to 33-2 so that makes sense. I'm actually more inclined to watch cw now that it is in hd as opposed to the sd it was in on 3-2.

My kspr has looked fine. Of course, kolr looks great on mine also, though. (unless there's lightning between me & them.) This is at around 60-70 miles southeast of Fordland.

Off topic....but Sneaky Snooper: Did rhoops demand your firstborn at some point in the past? My gosh, but you're going after him like he beat your favorite dog. It is just tv by the way.

arxaw,
I did mean to tell you thanks for the antenna & preamp recommendation long ago. The 4228 antenna and 7777 preamp have given me great signal with almost 100% strength on every channel.
Thanks again.

My kspr has looked fine. Of course, kolr looks great on mine also, though. (unless there's lightning between me & them.) This is at around 60-70 miles southeast of Fordland.

Off topic....but Sneaky Snooper: Did rhoops demand your firstborn at some point in the past? My gosh, but you're going after him like he beat your favorite dog. It is just tv by the way.

Judging from the amount of bitterness that has been spewed towards Nexstar and rhoops, makes you wonder if someone's wife wasn't involved? Really gets in the way of any type of constructive conversation. Maybe there should be another thread for certain members to,.... never mind

Well, when you come in here as a rep of a TV station and insult on a regular basis the intelligence of the readers of this forum (which he's done at least 6 times), as well as run a product that is HORRIBLE, you deserve to be called out on it.

If you go back and read some of his greatest hits, you'll find incredibly inaccurate statements and ones that attempt to justify Nexstar's method of doing business which is pure CHEAPNESS.

I'm still miffed over the WORTHLESS VHF 10 fiasco. Nexstar has made it clear they could give a rat's rear end less about ME the viewer. I'll be damned if I ever pay to get their product, and I'll make it very clear to them why. I held to my end of the bargain and bought the necessary equipment to get their product, however, they refuse to deliver. Not to mention they've pretty much told me (and the rest of the OTA crowd) to go screw ourselves.

I think they deserve some heat for that.

I hear that Koplar Communications has rented production space in Springfield from Opfer Productions. (Remember sports anchor Scott Opfer?) It looks like they plan to start a news operation. I don't know if they will be a news bureau for KRBK, or if they are doing something entirely different.

Stay tuned,

I just made my case.

This is very old news. =)

Maybe it is because I have a 32 inch that is 720p but kspr looks great on my tv. It hasn't changed since they have added the -2 to 33.(...)
I haven't seen any drop in PQ for KSPR either. :cool:

I haven't seen any drop in PQ for KSPR either. :cool:

On my 50 inch TV, I can see a difference but not HUGE. Granted, I haven't watched any sporting event which I believe is where you will really see it. Watching football on KY3 is pretty bad at times, but being 1080i might have something to do with it.

Too bad they rob bandwidth for a station that has little HD programming, and no one watches anyway. Many big cities have CW in HD on their own channel. Are they trying to keep up with the big boys? Just seems like a poor mans way to do it.

I wonder what they'll do with ch 3.2 after the move to 33.2 is complete.

KSPR still looks real good so far on my 73" Mits. I haven't had time to watch much though. I've been real happy with the way this tv handles SD also. I am happy they have done this,I will be much more likely to watch CW now. I hope we get program guide info soon from dish on this channel.

KSPR still looks real good so far on my 73" Mits. I haven't had time to watch much though. I've been real happy with the way this tv handles SD also. I am happy they have done this,I will be much more likely to watch CW now. I hope we get program guide info soon from dish on this channel.

They're just feeding 'coming soon' PSIP data on 33.2 at the moment. I did notice that CW programming is in HD when offered, but looks like complete crap, as does 33.1. I noticed several burps and skips in the formerly flawless signal of KSPR when I was watching it earlier.

I fail to see the point in offering a full time 720p channel when only 10 hours a week of the CW programming is even close to being offered in HD.

They're just feeding 'coming soon' PSIP data on 33.2 at the moment. I did notice that CW programming is in HD when offered, but looks like complete crap, as does 33.1. I noticed several burps and skips in the formerly flawless signal of KSPR when I was watching it earlier.

I fail to see the point in offering a full time 720p channel when only 10 hours a week of the CW programming is even close to being offered in HD.

Since we seem to be assuming here that the TV has some affect on the HD picture quality, FWIW I have a 47" 120Hz Visio.

Last night I took advantage of 33-1 (Nightline) and 33-2 (Oprah) both showing HD-sourced programs. I watched both, flipping back and forth from time to time. I saw no problems whatsoever. Both pictures were sharp, with no pixelation. When I did the same thing a day or two earlier at 10 when the news was on 33-1 and an SD-sourced show on 33-2, I specifically looked for pixelation on 33-1 when the news graphics were spinning and flying around the screen, and there was none at all. KY3 remains the only station here with pixelation issues. Maybe that's a 1080i thing that 720P gets around, I don't know. Right now, 33-1 and -2 are good.

"Complete crap"? No. Seriously SS, if you want to be taken seriously, you need to take it down a notch. Just sayin'.

I fail to see the point in offering a full time 720p channel when only 10 hours a week of the CW programming is even close to being offered in HD.
Some syndicated programming is available in HD (I don't know if they'll have any) and it also permits HD commercials (I don't know if they'll have any). Switching between HD and SD on a particular subchannel for different dayparts is technically possible, but many receivers have problems with that.

I specifically looked for pixelation on 33-1 when the news graphics were spinning and flying around the screen, and there was none at all.
Graphics are easily compressed. The CG video output is extremely clean -- no noise, which is seen as fine detail by the encoder -- and large blocks of the same colors. If you really want to judge an encoder, watch dissolves and fades, where all pixels are changing simultaneously; fast motion/pans/zooms; and images with lots of fine detail like waterfalls, flowers blowing in wind, etc.

I did notice Saturday night on KSPR @ 10 some macroblocking on dissolves that had not been there before. Overall, I am much more irritated by anamorphic video and out of focus shots than the transient compression artifacts that are there with the addition of CW.

Since we seem to be assuming here that the TV has some affect on the HD picture quality, FWIW I have a 47" 120Hz Visio.

Last night I took advantage of 33-1 (Nightline) and 33-2 (Oprah) both showing HD-sourced programs. I watched both, flipping back and forth from time to time. I saw no problems whatsoever. Both pictures were sharp, with no pixelation. When I did the same thing a day or two earlier at 10 when the news was on 33-1 and an SD-sourced show on 33-2, I specifically looked for pixelation on 33-1 when the news graphics were spinning and flying around the screen, and there was none at all. KY3 remains the only station here with pixelation issues. Maybe that's a 1080i thing that 720P gets around, I don't know. Right now, 33-1 and -2 are good.

"Complete crap"? No. Seriously SS, if you want to be taken seriously, you need to take it down a notch. Just sayin'.

It IS complete crap. Trying to watch ABC programming with the burping and over compression is not acceptable.

I'm not going to stand for broadcasters who have no regard for the viewing experience. Its bad enough congress makes us watch these jokers (eg, you can't get ABC/CBS/FOX/NBC from another market) but to watch it with excessive dropping is UNACCEPTABLE.

I'm the customer and I'm not happy. Mike "NO Regard" Scott could give a crap less if his product is watchable. Same for Nexstar. They're NOT going to put out quality as long as no one competes with them.

Dual HD is NOT a viable technology, and honestly, the CW doesn't have anything *worth* watching. They don't call it the Crap Watch for nothing.

[QUOTE=sneaky snooper;17757361]Well...programming is becoming more and more available in HD. Let's see...just about every major daily syndicated show is available in HD now. Viewers are demanding it. (I've made that investment in equipment and even my TV's manufacturer doesn't want me watching SD because those black bars burn into the screen)

I refuse to watch SD programming. If its not in HD, its NOT for me. It just
doesn't look right.

QUOTE]

I really don't think any approach will meet your approval....

Note Blue area represents video area on an Analog TV with Converter Box! In Widescreen Letterbox Mode!

On the channels that will allow it I leave them like this!
http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx158/outdoortvreception/Digital%20Picture%20Formats/169Ratio.jpg
Letterbox 16:9 Aspect Ratio Usually HD! But some stations Stretch! Like AETN!

http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx158/outdoortvreception/Digital%20Picture%20Formats/43AspectRatio.jpg
4:3 Aspect Ratio Usually SD! Unless the station forgets to switch to HD feed!

This is my opinion but stretching to full screen degrades the picture! And stuff gets cut off the screen! I wish they would leave the picture like my two pictures on satelite and cable!

So far I haven't burned the black bars into the screen yet! Knock on wood!

How long does it take to burn those black bars into a TV screen?

[QUOTE=sneaky snooper;17757361]Well...programming is becoming more and more available in HD. Let's see...just about every major daily syndicated show is available in HD now. Viewers are demanding it. (I've made that investment in equipment and even my TV's manufacturer doesn't want me watching SD because those black bars burn into the screen)

I refuse to watch SD programming. If its not in HD, its NOT for me. It just
doesn't look right.

QUOTE]

I really don't think any approach will meet your approval....

There is.

Allow me to get what I want how I want. If No Regard and Nexstar had real competition, they'd be forced to offer quality over quantity.

If I could legally get my ABC/NBC/CBS/FOX/CW programming from sources other than the ones the government FORCES me to take (the 'local' ones), I would. When you have choice, you have competition. Competition makes EVERYONE better.

Mike 'No Regard' Scott and Mark "I could care less if you can get KOLR" Gordon do NOT get this. They'd rather shove overcompressed CRAP down my throat, because no one is allowed to compete with them.

My whole point here is that with no competition in the marketplace, there is no chance that I'll get a reliable picture from any local broadcaster.

Incidentally, KY doesn't offer Ellen in HD, and KSPR doesn't offer Regis in HD. Why? They were too cheap to buy enough gear to do it properly.

This half-assed attempt at broadcasting is getting to the point that they're in real danger of losing me forever as a viewer.

The Superbowl is pretty brutal to watch on VHF. But, I'm still watching...
Maybe muting the audio will at least save my home theater system from popping and drops. Ouch.

The Superbowl was a far cry from what it was last year picture quality wise. I hope cbs loses the Superbowl before next year. The only good thing about kolr 10 performance was that the commercials were flawless.

The Superbowl was a far cry from what it was last year picture quality wise. I hope cbs loses the Superbowl before next year. The only good thing about kolr 10 performance was that the commercials were flawless.

I don't have a VHF problem here in south Springfield, but yeah the picture had some issues, especially the macro blocking during instant replays. What's up with that?

Location: Find the Greene county border line. Take that imaginary line 5 miles due west into Dade County and you have my location.

During the early days of digital conversion, I was thankful to have a very strong signal on all Springfield stations. I have followed all the complaints about ch. 10 moving back to VHF. I've never experienced one problem with 10.

But... in the last 6-8 weeks, something happened to 31-1. At first I just assumed something temporary, but dropouts have continued consistently for a long time now. Never a strong signal, but decent signal for a bit... followed by a steep dropoff... with severe pixelation or a "NO SIGNAL" message, followed by a decent signal for a few minutes. REGARDLESS OF WEATHER CONDITIONS.

What has happened to my reception on this channel? I have NO problems with any other Spfld station's reception. I kept thinking I'd see others reporting problems, but I don't see any complaints.

I'd appreciate any ideas. Thanks ahead of time.

(...) What has happened to my reception on this channel? I have NO problems with any other Spfld station's reception. I kept thinking I'd see others reporting problems, but I don't see any complaints.(...)

Probably because nobody else watches that station.
I'm sure the problem is with the station and not your equipment.

That would explain something that is happening to me. I thought it was my tv tuner acting funky every once in a while but it only happened when I was watching 33-1. Its as if my tv is rebooting for lack of a better term it has hapened on a semi regular basis recently while viewing shows on 33-1

Location: Find the Greene county border line. Take that imaginary line 5 miles due west into Dade County and you have my location.

During the early days of digital conversion, I was thankful to have a very strong signal on all Springfield stations. I have followed all the complaints about ch. 10 moving back to VHF. I've never experienced one problem with 10.

But... in the last 6-8 weeks, something happened to 31-1. At first I just assumed something temporary, but dropouts have continued consistently for a long time now. Never a strong signal, but decent signal for a bit... followed by a steep dropoff... with severe pixelation or a "NO SIGNAL" message, followed by a decent signal for a few minutes. REGARDLESS OF WEATHER CONDITIONS.

What has happened to my reception on this channel? I have NO problems with any other Spfld station's reception. I kept thinking I'd see others reporting problems, but I don't see any complaints.

I'd appreciate any ideas. Thanks ahead of time.

KWBM can't for some reason figure out its PSIP data either. They're broadcasting on 31-31 some days other days 31-1. Another example of the half assed broadcasters in this town.

KWBM can't for some reason figure out its PSIP data either. They're broadcasting on 31-31 some days other days 31-1. Another example of the half assed broadcasters in this town.
Actually, it's based in Harrison and the transmitter is in Forsyth.

I just talked to KY3 and the move of CW programming from 3.2 to 33.2 is supposed to be complete in about 6 weeks from when 33.2 first appeared.
Once complete, KY3's weather channel will move from ch 3.3 to 3.2 and 3.3 will be shut down.

I just talked to KY3 and the move of CW programming from 3.2 to 33.2 is supposed to be complete in about 6 weeks from when 33.2 first appeared.
Once complete, KY3's weather channel will move from ch 3.3 to 3.2 and 3.3 will be shut down.

Nice to get info, thanks Chuck44.

I had exelent reception last night but today every channel I receive is pixilating! Unwatchable! (KAIT 8 and KTEJ 20!) These are the channels I can usually decode all the time! From Jonesboro AR, 55, and 61 Air Miles!

My best reception usually comes at night at my location!

I use the DTV Pal Plus Coverter Box!

I don't have a VHF problem here in south Springfield, but yeah the picture had some issues, especially the macro blocking during instant replays. What's up with that?

I watched Lost on KSPR recently from my DVR. I was wondering why the recording was so much smaller than it usually is, and then I remembered the turned their bitrate way down. It used to be about 7 gigs an hour and is now around 4. The picture wasn't terrible but I could tell a difference. It is just a shame to waste bandwidth on the CW that has little HD programming and no one watches anyway. Suppose it is cheaper than another transmitter though.

scottmo2020,
Let the station know the PQ is not up to snuff any more. ABC looked so much better before Schurz ruined it with two 720p subchannels.
nevans@kspr.com

Actually, it's based in Harrison and the transmitter is in Forsyth.

I'm well aware of that. But we're talking a broadcaster in this town.

Speaking of poor engineering, Directv hasn't been told that there's a 33-2 yet. My AM21 OTA module can't get them. Of course, it can't get KOLR so that's two CBS owned products that are unwatchable.

(CBS owns the actual CW network, and of course supplies CBS to the lackluster Channel 10)

scottmo2020,
Let the station know the PQ is not up to snuff any more. ABC looked so much better before Schurz ruined it with two 720p subchannels.
nevans@kspr.com

They don't care. Its a No Regard decision, mscott@ky3.com will likely get you a drop dead response.

What I want to know is why they didn't just flash cut 15 over and put that CW/HD garbage there. There is plenty of bandwidth there and it doesn't interfere with anyone's PQ. THAT is a solution I'd have agreed with.

Why don't they put the CW in a nice, 16:9 ratio standard definition on channel 33-2, then put the CW in HD on channel 15-1? That way the satellite providers and most of the in-town population get a good HD feed. Makes a lot more sense too me...

Oh well. It's No Regard... He won't care. :p

Why don't they put the CW in a nice, 16:9 ratio standard definition on channel 33-2, then put the CW in HD on channel 15-1? That way the satellite providers and most of the in-town population get a good HD feed. Makes a lot more sense too me...

Oh well. It's No Regard... He won't care. :pYour scenario would be excellent and probably the best alternative to the currently muddied ABC.

But it won't likely happen. Someone sold the station owners an encoder that was promised to "easily do two HD sub channels" and by dam, they're gonna use it.

I have a question about which antenna to buy.

I live in Ozark, right in town, down in a hollow, with houses and trees ( trees are not that close to my house) around me.

I have a little terk antenna that hooks to the top of my dish.
I pull in 3.1, 3.2, 3.3, 10.1, 21.1, 21.2, 21.3, 27.1, 33.1, 33.2

HOWEVER Most channels will pixelate very badly at times.
I'm looking for a new antenna that I can use a splitter and hook to two tv's.

I had been thinking about a DB2 or a DB4 or a 4221.

Does anyone have any information or opinions on which might be better?

Thanks.

If you're down in a hollow, maybe you just need a taller pole for your antenna.

Ratdz,
None of the antennas you posted are designed for VHF (KOLR 10).

Please grab the TVFool results (http://www.tvfool.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29) for your exact address and post a link to the results back here. Your address will not be shown on the results page.

Here is the link to tvfool.com
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d27ee306a8e5f3a

I seem to get channel 10.1 better than channel 3.1
Go figure.

I built a version of the 4221 without a reflector and tried it indoors for my bedroom. It pulled all signals in fine. Maybe I should make a weatherproof one and put it outdoors.

Thanks for any help.

I have a spare Philips Magnavox Analog 13 inch TV and the top half of the screen is now black! The bottom half is fine! But if I hit the TV and the screen would go back to normal! But one of these times it won't come out of it!

Update
That happened at 4:00PM!
This TV is going in the recycling in March when we have fixup cleanup week!

Sounds like you're going to need another TV. :)

Here is the link to tvfool.com
http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d27ee306a8e5f3a

I seem to get channel 10.1 better than channel 3.1
Go figure.Makes sense. It's all in the hills. KOLR is Line Of Sight to your address (note the "LOS" on your TVFool). For KY3 and all the others, you have 2edge reception (multiple hills in the way).

This antenna should work well for you.
http://www.amazon.com/RCA-ANT751-Outdoor-Optimized-Reception/dp/B0024R4B5C/ref=sr_1_1

arxaw,
thanks for the response.
I've been reading quite a bit in this forum, and have tried to figure out what everyone has been saying. Some of it sounds greek to me.
My question is this, how did you figure out that antenna would work well for my location?

I would like to know what I'm supposed to be looking for in an antenna.

If you go by what the box says on all antenna's, then heck all of them are the best antenna there is and all I'll ever need is a little rabbit eared loop antenna inside.

I see where tvfool shows LOS and 2edge. wasn't sure what that was, thanks for the info.
I adjusted the little loop antenna I have on my dish, and re-scaned the tv.
Most all of my stations came in great with the exception of 3.1.
Tons of pixelation while watching the olympics. Very aggravating.

Thanks for the help.

one more question.
Since I get channel 10 (has the highest signal strength of any channel I get),
Do I even need an antenna that has VHF?
Wouldn't just a bigger/better UHF antenna be fine?

one more question.
Since I get channel 10 (has the highest signal strength of any channel I get),
Do I even need an antenna that has VHF?
Wouldn't just a bigger/better UHF antenna be fine?
Channel 10 broadcasts on VHF, the same frequency they used to broadcast analog channel 10 on.

one more question.
Since I get channel 10 (has the highest signal strength of any channel I get),
Do I even need an antenna that has VHF?
Wouldn't just a bigger/better UHF antenna be fine?Some UHF antennas work ok for VHF channels if the signal is strong. Since channel 10 is LOS and is your strongest signal, per TVFool, you may be OK with a UHF-only antenna.

No one can guarantee that any antenna will absolutely work in a given situation. But I suggested an antenna that should work well for you for all your channels of interest, based on your TVFool results and past experience. It is the one I would buy in your situation. But buy whatever you wish to buy. As long as the signal is strong enough to lock, it will work.

Much of the pixelation of the olympics on KY3 is due to overcompression by the station, necessary to carry 3-1, 3-2 & 3-3 sub channels by one station using an obsolete encoder. Next time you notice pixelation, check your TV tuner's signal strength. If it is high, the picture problems are probably KY3's fault.

Funny you mention checking signal strength while the pixelation occurs.
I did that last night while watching the olympics.
On my tv it shows me bars, 1-10.
During the olympics I had 5-6 bars. This morning I watched 3.1 and checked signal strength 5-6 bars but with no pixelation.

Don't get me wrong, I take your recommendation with all seriousness, and will probably buy the rca ant751, but was just wondering how you came to that conclusion.
Can't beat the price, and I'll probably try to extend it up farther.
I noticed on tvfool, that if I raised it to 18 feet, I'll have 3 channels with LOS, and the rest are 1edge. That should help a bunch.
Thanks again.

2/26/10 - 3:00 AM On the DTV Pal Plus 92 Air Miles From Fordland MO!
KSPR - 85%
KYTV - 81%
KSFX - 69%
KOZK - 60%
KOLR - No Sign of it!!!! I'm not surprized!

I don't see any Tropo in my area on the Tropo Weather Forecast WebSite!

2/25/10 - 10:30 PM On the DTV Pal Plus 131 Air Miles From Memphis, TN!

All the UHF Stations Coming in around 64%! The 2 VHF Stations Dead as a door nail!!!!

1000 kW UHF Stations get out there better than the lower powered ones!

These Stations are work great when they come in! But they don't alway come in!

Much of the pixelation of the olympics on KY3 is due to overcompression by the station, necessary to carry 3-1, 3-2 & 3-3 sub channels by one station using an obsolete encoder. Next time you notice pixelation, check your TV tuner's signal strength. If it is high, the picture problems are probably KY3's fault.

Especially on things like figure skating and fast motion video. It looks pretty terrible. It should be interesting to see how sporting events look on KSPR now that they bastardized that.

...Don't get me wrong, I take your recommendation with all seriousness, and will probably buy the rca ant751, but was just wondering how you came to that conclusion.Past experience selecting antennas using TVFool. Plus help from experienced people on this forum and elsewhere.


Can't beat the price, and I'll probably try to extend it up farther.
I noticed on tvfool, that if I raised it to 18 feet, I'll have 3 channels with LOS, and the rest are 1edge. That should help a bunch.
Thanks again.Elevation can sometimes make a huge difference, especially if the extra height takes you from "edge" to unobstructed LOS. So definitely raise the antenna height up to the point of LOS shown on TVFool, or higher, if possible.


Especially on things like figure skating and fast motion video. It looks pretty terrible. It should be interesting to see how sporting events look on KSPR now that they bastardized that.Too bad KYTV didn't shut off the CW sub channel during olympics. As others say on here, "no regard" for the viewer. Sports on KSPR probably look soft/mushy, like everything else on there now. On a big screen, it's now sub-DVD quality, where it used to be razor sharp. I quit watching KSPR and now only watch ABC-HD on KHOG from Fayetteville, Ark.

I am not getting any PSIP guide data on KOZK DT2 on 21.2. Is anyone else seeing this problem? This is through my SageTV setup and I don't have another box to try at the moment.

I am not getting any PSIP guide data on KOZK DT2 on 21.2. Is anyone else seeing this problem? This is through my SageTV setup and I don't have another box to try at the moment.
I watch through my DTV Pal DVR, which has TVGOS and it is showing all the info for all three 21 channels.
But my Sanyo HDTV's tuner is not showing anything except channel info for them (no program names).

2/26/10 - 3:00 AM On the DTV Pal Plus 92 Air Miles From Fordland MO!
KSPR - 85%
KYTV - 81%
KSFX - 69%
KOZK - 60%
KOLR - No Sign of it!!!! I'm not surprized!

I don't see any Tropo in my area on the Tropo Weather Forecast WebSite!

2/25/10 - 10:30 PM On the DTV Pal Plus 131 Air Miles From Memphis, TN!

All the UHF Stations Coming in around 64%! The 2 VHF Stations Dead as a door nail!!!!

1000 kW UHF Stations get out there better than the lower powered ones!

These Stations are work great when they come in! But they don't alway come in!

Sounds like your new antenna is pulling things in better? Wait another 3-4 weeks, things will improve a whole bunch... things are already getting a little better for me the last week, I got KMIZ 4 nights last week. I should be able to pull in KSFX by Mid-april 3 nights was week or so.

Sounds like your new antenna is pulling things in better? Wait another 3-4 weeks, things will improve a whole bunch... things are already getting a little better for me the last week, I got KMIZ 4 nights last week. I should be able to pull in KSFX by Mid-april 3 nights was week or so.

Reception will improve this spring and summer!

My antenna's are better at night! But of a daytime in late afternoon my reception goes in the toilet! Every Channel pixilates at certain times!

The following is with a DTV Pal Plus Converter Box.
KAIT 8 drops to 58-73%! Pixilates when certain vehicles go up and down the street! Night Time signal 80-93%!
KTEJ 20 drops into the 60s! Pixilates at times! Night Time 73-93%!
KVTJ 48 drops to 0%! Night Time 73-93%!

This will sound crazy but on clear days I have the worst reception!
Cloudy days are the best!

KSPR
http://i751.photobucket.com/albums/xx158/outdoortvreception/Springfield%20MO%20Full%20Power%20Digital%20Coverage%20Maps/KSPR-DT2.jpg

My UHF maps are predicted for an antenna 30 FT above ground level! And VHF maps are predicted for an antenna 27 FT above ground level!

Dark Purple means 41 dbuV/m for UHF and 36 dbuV/m for VHF!

Any one want a custom map made! Send me a private message with your antenna height, the Stations you want, and email address! I send you either the maps like this or the Google Earth Maps! Your Choice!

To See Other Maps Visit This Site The Major Full Power Digital Stations are posted here!
http://s751.photobucket.com/home/outdoortvreception/allalbums

Didn't I remember you saying that before you got your new antenna, you didn't get any of the springfield stations? If your'e getting them at night now, then that must be an improvement. Hopefully things will get better in the next couple of weeks.

Hopefully things will get better in the next couple of weeks.
Why?

I've lost all ability to pick up KY3 in the bolivar area. Anyone else having issues?

It's working fine here (near Eureka Springs, Ark.) and no dropouts, but signal strength is down from a normal of ~90% to ~69% (69% is about what KOLR 10 usually is with my setup).

I don't know if my lower signal is due to the station or my antenna though, because I was at a friend's house in Eureka yesterday and he was watching KYTV using only this indoor rabbit ear/loop antenna (http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103077), and I didn't notice any problems. BTW, he gets all the Springfield stations (except KOLR) with that antenna.

I rarely watch KSFX, but flipped to it last night and noticed their 9PM news was in 16:9 format. I was watching it on an SDTV, so I couldn't tell if it was HD or SD.

Is this format new for them?

I rarely watch KSFX, but flipped to it last night and noticed their 9PM news was in 16:9 format. I was watching it on an SDTV, so I couldn't tell if it was HD or SD.

Is this format new for them?
KOLR and KSFX both switched to widescreen SD shortly after KY3 went to HD.

LOL, shows ya how much I watch those channels.

thanks for the info.

KOLR and KSFX both switched to widescreen SD shortly after KY3 went to HD.
Silly question. How do you know they're SD WS and not HDTV?

Silly question. How do you know they're SD WS and not HDTV?
Based on the ways it looks -- notably softer than HD, and conversations with people who work there.

I'm posting this as an example of how lightning affects VHF!

Lightning is messing up KAIT Channel 8 Jonesboro AR causing pixilation and audio dropouts! Signal coming in the 80's bouncing into the 70's every once in a while.

Sometimes the lightning is so bad to my south it freezes the picture and sound up until the lightning flash has passed!

If the lightning gets too bad I will unhook the cable coming in from my antenna! Just as a precaution measure!

This next channel is not VHF!

Lightning is pixilating and causing audio dropouts on KTEJ Channel 20 probably because its only 50 kW! Signal in the 60's and 70's.

I don't know how long this is going to last!

This Morning at 7:00 AM all the UHF Memphis TN Channel's are coming in the 90's!

VHF coming in the 70's and low 80's!

Update 10:16 AM
Darn they died sometime while I was gone taking my dad to the doctor.

Didn't I remember you saying that before you got your new antenna, you didn't get any of the springfield stations? If your'e getting them at night now, then that must be an improvement. Hopefully things will get better in the next couple of weeks.


Sorry about the late response!

Thats right. Maybe once in a blue moon the old antenna would get Springfield. But usually never got them.

Based on the ways it looks -- notably softer than HD, and conversations with people who work there.

Not to mention its Nexstar...they're lucky to be in color let alone HD.

Not to mention its Nexstar...they're lucky to be in color let alone HD.

Now THAT is funny!

And ACCURATE

Skid

Now THAT is funny!

And ACCURATE

Skid

Yeah thats funny!!! Way to go Sneaky Snooper!

I'm surprized their callsign don't show up as KTTS-TV! Thats what KOLR-TV was called in the black and white days!

I bet their still operating on there 1953 technology? Do they trick the analog transmitter into working as digital?

I'm just kidding!!!

I sent emails today to Senators Bond and McCaskill, and Rep. Blunt, asking them to protect HD OTA broadcasts. I encourage all of you to similarly contact Congress.

Yeah thats funny!!! Way to go Sneaky Snooper!

I'm surprized their callsign don't show up as KTTS-TV! Thats what KOLR-TV was called in the black and white days!

I bet their still operating on there 1953 technology? Do they trick the analog transmitter into working as digital?

I'm just kidding!!!


You're more right than you care to admit! Rhoops admitted they converted the analog xmitr for digital.

In case you're wondering the main reason they had to change calls were FCC regs in effect when KTTS AM/FM/TV were broken up. Great Empire got the KT calls, and Harry Cooper opted to change the calls to KOLR.

Oddly enough, I think Cooper put more money into KOLR than Nexstar ever has.

AT & T has announced U-Verse service for Springfield.

They claim they will give Mediacom a run for their money.

I don't think the internet speeds compare and I'd don't even think they can deliver 2 HD signals at the same time.

Still it's good to have the upgraded infrastructure and yet more competition.

I like my 20 / 2 mbps internet service from Mediacom. I don't think you can get that from a twisted pair telephone line. I'd really love to see fiber to the home like Verizon's FIOS.

Still, it's incremental progress.

I don't think the internet speeds compare and I'd don't even think they can deliver 2 HD signals at the same time.They can do multiple simultaneous HD viewing of at least 2 HD channels in some cities, and multi-room DVR playback/control. Pause a show on one TV and pick up watching it where you left off, in another room. Channel change is virtually instantaneous.

Internet speeds may be slower than cable, but they are sometimes more consistent than an overloaded neighborhood cable system at certain times of the day.

Competition is good.

I sent emails today to Senators Bond and McCaskill, and Rep. Blunt, asking them to protect HD OTA broadcasts. I encourage all of you to similarly contact Congress.

I received a reply today from Sen. McCaskill. Here is the portion relevant to OTA broadcasts:

"I understand that there are many concerns with opening more spectrum for wireless broadband, such as possible interference between devices using similar frequencies or impacts on free, over-the-air television broadcasts. Please know that there are no proposals that would result in free-over-the-air broadcasts being limited or impacted. It is important that we maintain access to free broadcasts since many people still rely on over-the-air broadcasts for news, information and entertainment."

As you can see, she claims no impact on OTA.

I disagree with her politically, but I think she's right about this.

I disagree with her politically, but I think she's right about this.
I agree with her politically, but I think she's wrong about this.

The FCC chairman wants to eliminate some OTA assignment and have stations "double up" on any given transmitter. Pretty much like 33-1 and 33-2 do now.

The good news for KOLR is that the telcos don't want anything below 225 Mhz.

http://reboot.fcc.gov/reform/systems/spectrum-dashboard

From http://www.broadband.gov/plan/5-spectrum/#s5-4

"With the appropriate regulatory structure in place, broadcasters could combine multiple TV stations onto single six-megahertz channels. The current broadcast TV rules provide each licensee a six-megahertz channel that is capable of transmitting data at a rate of 19.4 Mbps. Television stations broadcast their primary video signal either in high definition (HD), requiring approximately 6–17 Mbps, or in standard definition (SD), requiring approximately 1.5–6 Mbps.96

Two stations could generally broadcast one primary HD video stream each over a shared six-megahertz channel.97 Some stations are already broadcasting multiple HD streams simultaneously today and claim to deliver "spectacular" signal quality that "consistently satisfies [their] discerning viewers."98 Alternatively, more than two stations broadcasting in SD (not HD) could share a six-megahertz channel. Numerous permutations are possible, including dynamic arrangements whereby broadcasters sharing a channel reach agreements to exchange capacity to enable higher or lower transmission bit rates depending on market-driven choices.99The FCC should ensure that the framework it adopts retains carriage rights for the primary signal of each station with a modified license to share a six-megahertz channel.100 The FCC also should address any potential concerns regarding anti-competitive behavior or media ownership consolidation arising from such arrangements.

To date, although there are examples of individual stations employing these techniques to broadcast multiple HD streams or signals from two major broadcast networks, there are no examples of two or more stations combining transmissions to share a single channel. Television stations will need to consider their desire to multicast additional video streams, such as digital side channels and mobile DTV streams, relative to the possible sharing of channels. Multicasting mobile DTV streams and digital side channels requires additional bandwidth to ensure reception quality. Stations are just now beginning to deploy such services, and it is not yet clear whether they will be widely accepted or how they might affect the ability of stations to share channels. "

I agree with her politically, but I think she's wrong about this.

The FCC chairman wants to eliminate some OTA assignment and have stations "double up" on any given transmitter. Pretty much like 33-1 and 33-2 do now.

The good news for KOLR is that the telcos don't want anything below 225 Mhz.

http://reboot.fcc.gov/reform/systems/spectrum-dashboard

(you know what I'm about to say, right???)

The good news for Nexstar is they can cash in KSFX, dump it on the worthless KOLR 10 frequency and extort retrans.

This *MIGHT* Be a reason to protest.

Okay, we've all been waiting for it, and its here:

www.krbktv.com (yes, its live!)

In HD...coming VERY VERY soon to a TV near you.

DO NOT MOVE TO VHF 2-13!!! Heed the messenger!

These channels don't work! Period!

Flip on or off a light switch causes pixilation audio dropout for a second!

Pull a chain on a ceiling fan causes pixilation audio dropout for a second!

Washing machine kicks on causing pixilation audio dropout for a second!

Lightning causes pixilation and audio dropouts until the lightning stops!

Certain Vehicles going up and down the street in front of your house causes pixilation and audio dropouts until in passes!

Late afternoon your signal drops real low causing pixilation and audio dropouts until the signal level comes back up to normal! Early morning or late at night! Best Reception occurs!

FCC and Government do not take AWAY UHF 14-51!!! Start Listening to the Viewers they now what works!

VHF is not the best option for the viewers trying to receive it!!!! Most people can receive it reliably!

Move to a UHF Frequency as close to 1000 kW ERP if 1000 kW is not possible!

(you know what I'm about to say, right???)

The good news for Nexstar is they can cash in KSFX, dump it on the worthless KOLR 10 frequency and extort retrans.

This *MIGHT* Be a reason to protest.
Ooooh, you are a clever lad! I'll pass that along to the folks in Irving, and maybe they'll give me a logo jacket or sweatshirt!

Perry Sook always talks about "monetizing non-strategic assets" (what ever that means).

Somewhere in all the wheeling and dealing all 4 towers were sold to American Tower. One of them fell down. Now we have to pay rent forever on the towers.

AT & T has announced U-Verse service for Springfield.

They claim they will give Mediacom a run for their money.
I went by an AT&T store at lunch today to see a demo of U-verse and see what the picture quality looked like. The stores do not actually have U-verse service to examine, they have a "simulation."

According to the rep, only one store is scheduled to actually get U-verse service (the one at S. Campbell and M highway) and they don't know when... only that it will be sometime within a year.

Is there anywhere in Springfield to actually see the service, short of knowing someone who already has it installed?

I went by an AT&T store at lunch today to see a demo of U-verse and see what the picture quality looked like. The stores do not actually have U-verse service to examine, they have a "simulation."

According to the rep, only one store is scheduled to actually get U-verse service (the one at S. Campbell and M highway) and they don't know when... only that it will be sometime within a year.

Is there anywhere in Springfield to actually see the service, short of knowing someone who already has it installed?

As far as I can tell, no one in Springfield can actually get U-Verse. They haven't set a single address I've tested (and I'm not even 1/4 mile from one of their switches) to get it.

However, even when its available, I will NOT be subscribing to the TV side unless I can block KOLR/KSFX and not have to pay for them. I do not and will not reward Nexstar for its bad behavior by giving them one penny of my TV bill. I do not pay for what I should be able to get for free. (Oh wait, Nexstar doesn't want me getting KOLR for free...if they did, they wouldn't be on a worthless VHF that I can't get)

I live about 20 miles south of the towers at Fordland, and KOLR is my strongest station.

YMMV. I live about 70 miles from Fordland and kolr is my weakest station. And too many dropouts to be watchable if there's lightning in the region.

I noticed this morning that KBNS-CA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KBNS-CA) analog 38, Branson is now KBNS-LD digital 36 (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?list=0&facid=168219).

http://www.fcc.gov/ftp/Bureaus/MB/Databases/fm_tv_service_areas/maps/LD1147777.jpg (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?list=0&facid=168219)

I noticed this morning that KBNS-CA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KBNS-CA) analog 38, Branson is now KBNS-LD digital 36 (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?list=0&facid=168219).

Yes, and brought to us in glorious Stretch-O-Vision. I really wish broadcasters would leave that up to the viewer, it's impossible to un***k once they do that.

I noticed a mix of true 16:9 material and 4:3 stretched to 16:9. K17DL does the same thing, and IMO, it just looks stoopid.

At least there's nothing to watch on those channels.

Incidentally, reports have KRBK getting its cable slot sometime between 4/23-4/27. I don't subscribe to Mediacom, but I've heard they wanted either 3 or 4 for KRBK (and I *think* those are about the only channel numbers available on the Springfield cable system...)

KRBK's talent hunt will be at the Shrine Mosque on Tuesday (why middle of the week?) details @ www.krbktv.com

Hey... I'm sure I could find this information somewhere else, but I don't know where... LOL

But do any of you all know where KRBK is transmitting from right now, or even if it is transmitting at all? Are they using the transmitter in Laclede County, or are they using the one in Polk County yet?

I wondering about it being up around Warrensburg; during the warmer I can get the Springfield channels quite frequently. I'm wondering if I should start to look for KRBK here soon. After all, the content is supposed to be good, and the signal looks to be closer than the others!
http://www.fcc.gov/ftp/Bureaus/MB/Databases/fm_tv_service_areas/maps/DT1274791.jpg
Maybe if it's good enough as a station, the Sedalia/Warrensburg cable companies will start to carry it.

Thank you :)

I hope KC area to.

It's currently off the air entirely.

- Trip

Does KOLR-10 look like absolute garbage to anyone else during the final four games? Every time the camera pans it gets "fuzzy" on both OTA and Dish. It looked like crap when the wife was watching Survivor earlier in the week also.

I see that when they pan the audience on The Price Is Right.

Does KOLR-10 look like absolute garbage to anyone else during the final four games? Every time the camera pans it gets "fuzzy" on both OTA and Dish. It looked like crap when the wife was watching Survivor earlier in the week also.

It's been doing that the whole tournament. It's terrible.

Between games, I just called my brother in Kansas City. He has Comcast HD cable, and his picture is fine when the camera pans. So, it's a KOLR issue, which makes no sense because they have no subchannels.

No fuzzy problem here on CBS via KFSM 18 (5-1) out of Ft Smith/Fayetteville, Ark.

I spoke to David Smith and he seemed to know what I was talking about and mentioned rebooting something and that it'd happened before (NFL games seemed to have some problems last fall), fingers crossed.

KOLR-CBS looking much better tonight than it was for the Final 4 games. :cool:

As an FYI, DirecTV has announced that it will be launching HD locals for the Joplin market in June.

http://www.directv.com/DTVAPP/global/contentPageNR.jsp?assetId=P6030044

Direct has resumed the VS channel. Welcome back IZOD IndyCar Racing!!
Etc.:)

I read somewhere KRBK HD will air My Network TV Programing and is going to be on Dish Network, Directv, and some cable systems?

Begin Broadcast Date Estimated Spring/Sumer 2010?

Can anybody confirm this? Hopefully this is true!!!!

for the last 3 weeks cbs has been really bad for me. i get pixelization and audio drop outs and just really crappy picture. mostly on monday nights (course thats the only night i watch cbs, but i don't recall seeing this during the few basketball games i watched). but it got so bad last nigiht i couldn't even watch 2 and half men and big bang theory was almost unwatchable.

so im just curious before i crawl up into the attic to check on the antenna i wanted to see if anyone else was having issues this bad.

oletheos,
Is your TV tuner's signal strength meter fluctuating when the picture is breaking up?

i have a vizio so no strength meter. As soon as i wrote that i remembered that about 3 weeks ago my roomate was rummaging around the attic putting boxes up there so it makes me wonder if he hit the antenna or something.

i think i just need to go up there and check it out.

The problem could be interference, especially if you've added any new wireless devices to your house lately. Low power kolr 10 is really plagued with this problem.

See: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=18474662#post18474662

i have a vizio so no strength meter. As soon as i wrote that i remembered that about 3 weeks ago my roomate was rummaging around the attic putting boxes up there so it makes me wonder if he hit the antenna or something.

i think i just need to go up there and check it out.
That's what I would do. :D

The problem could be interference, especially if you've added any new wireless devices to your house lately. Low power kolr 10 is really plagued with this problem.

See: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=18474662#post18474662


i did get a new g/n router. Its in the opposite end of the house of the antenna and the tv sits about inbetween them off to the right a bit. I've disabled the N radio right now so its only running in G and wired. I might try changing the G settings a bit to see if it does anything.

I read somewhere KRBK HD will air My Network TV Programing and is going to be on Dish Network, Directv, and some cable systems?

Begin Broadcast Date Estimated Spring/Sumer 2010?

Can anybody confirm this? Hopefully this is true!!!!

Yes, they'll have MNT programming (although there isn't much of that)
Broadcast date: Any day now. They've started getting channel assignments from cable operators around here.
Channel: 49

i did get a new g/n router. Its in the opposite end of the house of the antenna and the tv sits about inbetween them off to the right a bit. I've disabled the N radio right now so its only running in G and wired. I might try changing the G settings a bit to see if it does anything.Power it completely down temporarily, plus anything wireless that is connected to it, to see if reception of anemic kolor 10 improves.

Anyone else find digital 6 showing KODE 12 (ABC) HD today?

Digital 12 had disappeared and 6 just popped in. Why there instead of
12.2, I wonder?

It may have stopped, I haven't been on there for a couple hours.

Curious. :)

Were they actually broadcasting on RF channel 6, or did it just say 6 on the channel banner?

Were they actually broadcasting on RF channel 6, or did it just say 6 on the channel banner?

I use the Insignia box, and it said 6 on the channel banner. It has gone back to 12 now. While it was on 6, the guide called the programs 'events'. Regular
programing was on as usual. 12 usually is 12.1, and I think this just was 6....

Maybe testing for something? I'm bored, I could use more channels if they are in the mood. And it was definitely HD on the banner too.

Sounds like a PSIP error.

The move of KY3 24/7 from Real Frequency 44-3 to 44-2 or Virtual Channels 3-3 to 3-2 has turned KCZ CH17 on Dish Network into KY3 24/7 instead of Ozarks CW. On Charter crappy analog Cable in Thayer MO channel 13 which was Ozarks CW is now KY3 24/7 and channel 97 which was that now has the error message KY3 24/7 has moved to 3-3.

I'm sure this is just a temporary error!!!!

They must have forgot to tell Dish Network and Charter analog Cable in Thayer MO KCZ Ozarks CW moved to KSPR Real Channel 19-2 or Virtal Channel 33-2

Which Charter if Osage Beach then it has other Local Channels to.

The move of KY3 24/7 from Real Frequency 44-3 to 44-2 or Virtual Channels 3-3 to 3-2 has turned KCZ CH17 on Dish Network into KY3 24/7 instead of Ozarks CW. On Charter crappy analog Cable in Thayer MO channel 13 which was Ozarks CW is now KY3 24/7 and channel 97 which was that now has the error message KY3 24/7 has moved to 3-3.

I'm sure this is just a temporary error!!!!

They must have forgot to tell Dish Network and Charter analog Cable in Thayer MO KCZ Ozarks CW moved to KSPR Real Channel 19-2 or Virtal Channel 33-2

Update
KCZ CH 17 has been fixed on Dish Network noticed as of 12:24PM!

The move of KY3 24/7 from Real Frequency 44-3 to 44-2 or Virtual Channels 3-3 to 3-2 has turned KCZ CH17 on Dish Network into KY3 24/7 instead of Ozarks CW. On Charter crappy analog Cable in Thayer MO channel 13 which was Ozarks CW is now KY3 24/7 and channel 97 which was that now has the error message KY3 24/7 has moved to 3-3.

I'm sure this is just a temporary error!!!!

They must have forgot to tell Dish Network and Charter analog Cable in Thayer MO KCZ Ozarks CW moved to KSPR Real Channel 19-2 or Virtal Channel 33-2The "real channels" of KYTV & KSPR are just 44 & 19. The virtual channels are 3-n & 33-n.

For the last couple of weeks KSPR and KYTV start to work around 10 PM and die about 10 AM! Then dead! As usual. Signal any where from 60-85 on DTV Pal Plus. Note once a signal drops below 54 on this box its unwatchable. So the percentage on box must be higher than it really is. The % for channels is lower on other boxes I've tried.

I've even got KSFX and KOZK for a few minutes at 8 AM Hour. Yesterday!


But today unwatchable. Pixilates and signal dropouts. One second KSPR will be at 85% and perfect and the next second 0% then 74% then 0%? KYTV will be at 76% then 0% then 64% then 0%?

Turn the antenna to Jonesboro AR and can't even get KTEJ today?

The only thing that has changed with my sytem is I changed cable from homemade to Solid Signal RG 6 Quad Shield!

Probably change of seasons more than anything else.

There's some weather moving through the Ozarks today.

Reception Report from Thayer MO 92 Air Miles from Transmitters 4-24-10

KSPR 93%
KYTV 81%
KOZK 74%
KSFX 70%
KOLR 70%

Don't know how long this perfect reception will last? I got my fingers crossed it will!!!!!!

KRBK HD debuts on Tuesday for cable folks in the Springfield Area.

They got cable channel 10 in Springfield proper. Mediacom has the channel ready for them.

Off air, they should be on 49-1.

Converter Box Comparison

Station / RCA / Dish

Springfield MO DMA
KSPR / 0-33% / 60-69%
KYTV / 20-24% /54-60%

Jonesboro AR DMA
KAIT / 80% / 80-86%
KTEJ / 43% / 0's%
KVTJ / 59% / 80's%

Note Signal Vary at different times of a day and at night!

KRBK HD debuts on Tuesday for cable folks in the Springfield Area.

They got cable channel 10 in Springfield proper. Mediacom has the channel ready for them.

Off air, they should be on 49-1.

Thats Cool!!!!

Any word when they will be on Dish or Directv? Please let me know when this info becomes available!!! Thank You!!!

KRBK HD debuts on Tuesday for cable folks in the Springfield Area.

They got cable channel 10 in Springfield proper. Mediacom has the channel ready for them.

Off air, they should be on 49-1.

Are they running full power yet OTA?

Are they running full power yet OTA?

Not at this moment. I figure they'll turn on the transmitter sometime today or tomorrow. I'm scanning every few hours to see when it shows up.

Not at this moment. I figure they'll turn on the transmitter sometime today or tomorrow. I'm scanning every few hours to see when it shows up.

they have been on Charter channel 15 analog I think for awhile. I could get them OTA when there was snow on the ground every now and then. Looking forward to it!

I've had a chance to get a copy of KRBK's programming schedule. Here's what all you can expect KRBK to offer:

Daily Buzz
Married With Children
Saber Rider & Star Sheriff + Voltron (This should come as NO surprise)
Cold Case Files
Reno 911
South Park
The Three Stooges (yes they're airing 3 stooges!)

and the biggest shocker:

NEWS! Yes, NEWS!

News at noon and 9p.

Now, its nice to see another news voice in town (I'm really glad there is an alternative to KSFX at 9, because you all know my feelings on Nexstar), but I have to bring up a question, *can* Springfield support a 4th newscast? (Granted KOLR/KSFX don't compete with one another, and KY and KSPR are seperate at this point) I really have to wonder how long Koplar can do news and be viable at it. If he's really smart, he dumps that Daily Buzz crap and does it himself in time.

...*can* Springfield support a 4th newscast? (Granted KOLR/KSFX don't compete with one another, and KY and KSPR are seperate at this point) I really have to wonder how long Koplar can do news and be viable at it. If he's really smart, he dumps that Daily Buzz crap and does it himself in time.

I think there's a good chance at his news being successful; if it's in HD like has been advertised, and they have good content, I'm sure they can have good ratings against KSFX. I'm sure I'd watch them!

The noon show might be a little harder, considering they're going against KY3; but if they have a whole hour of it, I'm sure they could get some good ratings during the second half-hour.

And maybe of a little irrelevance, why is KRBK's site (http://krbktv.com/) down? My guess is that they are updating it and changing it; and they are going to be back online once they are on air.

Married With Children and The Three Stooges two of my favorite shows not aired much anymore by other stations!!!!


If KRBK airs WWE Smackdown my dad will be happy he can watch it again! Since KWBM is not My Network TV anymore!

WWE moves to Syfy this fall, so don't get used to it.

- Trip

WWE moves to Syfy this fall, so don't get used to it.

- Trip

Thats even better!!! My dad watches Syfy all the time!!!! Its one of his favorite channels!

Theirs no station in Columbia/Jefferson City and Springfield that have a 4pm and 5:30pm Newscast. KY3 doesn't even have a Newscast on the CW and KOLR10/KSFX and Weekend Morning one and KQFX a live one from 7am to 9am and 9pm isn't evn a hour.
Know if we cloud find out who are on the News Teams that would be good.

KSPR has news at 4 PM weekdays.

You also have KTKO-LP IONTV.
http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/en/KRBK

At night your reception is perfect!

Of a daytime it goes to hell!

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Its probably lousy reception?

Its been windy? Might mess it up?

Somehow the antenna has got damaged? Nothing looks damaged!

Its been very windy. The wind can sometimes move the antenna's aim.

Does anyone know if K07XL (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?state=&call=k07xl&arn=&city=&chan=&cha2=69&serv=&type=0&facid=&list=1&dist=&dlat2=&mlat2=&slat2=&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&size=9) or K26GS (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?state=&call=k26gs&arn=&city=&chan=&cha2=69&serv=&type=0&facid=&list=1&dist=&dlat2=&mlat2=&slat2=&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&size=9) are on the air digitally (RTV affiliates)?

I don't think they are yet, but they will be soon. Last time I heard, the owner was in the process of getting the gear to do it.

- Trip

Trip,
Thanks.

I only list stations on my site as "off the air" if they've been on the air digitally before and went off for some reason, or if I have good information that they're signing on in the near future. :)

- Trip

What cities are those RTN'S in?

What cities are those RTN'S in?

K07XL transmitter is near Mountain Home, AR

K26GS transmitter is near Harrison, AR

These are Low Power Analogs or TX currently.

Which are in the process of becoming Low Power Digital or LD.

What cities are those RTN'S in?I linked to them in my post:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=18562891#post18562891

Springfield MO Locals Reception Report From Thayer MO

XG91 at 30 FT and YA1713 at 26 FT and CM7777 and DTV Pal Plus Converter Box.

KSPR 85-93%
KYTV 73-81%
KSFX 66-74%
KOZK 54-64%
KOLR 0-54% No Signal! Or Pixilated mess! No surprize there! Its VHF!

I'm enjoying these channels while the last OTA because they never last! Darn!!!

I don't know how I'm doing it but WMC Channel 5 is coming in from Memphis, TN and I don't have a Low VHF Antenna!

Their UHF's are coming in the 90's! WREG, WKNO, WPTY, WLMT, WBUY,WPXX!

Even WHBQ 13 is working surprize its VHF!

KSPR 90"s
KYTV 80's
KSFX drowned out by WREG
KOZK drowned out by Memphis TN Channel 23
KOLR 60's and 70's

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Does anyone know if K07XL (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?state=&call=k07xl&arn=&city=&chan=&cha2=69&serv=&type=0&facid=&list=1&dist=&dlat2=&mlat2=&slat2=&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&size=9) or K26GS (http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?state=&call=k26gs&arn=&city=&chan=&cha2=69&serv=&type=0&facid=&list=1&dist=&dlat2=&mlat2=&slat2=&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&size=9) are on the air digitally (RTV affiliates)?

They are waiting for parts to arrive from Europe that were delayed because of the Iceland volcano. Here is a link to the website you should be checking out now. http://www.hometowntv.net/ I talked to them a while back and they say that their coverage area should be greater on both 7 and 26 after the switchover. I'm anxious to see if I can get them since they will be running 4 channels at each location. :)

This stinks KSPR and KYTV will pop in good for a few seconds 64% then die the next second! This stinks!

Poor Reception on my end! I definately live in a poor reception zone!!!

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I signed up for Charter cable modem and as part of the deal, I get basic cable for a few months. I am getting several HD channels in clear QAM which is cool, including the local networks.

The stupid thing is, whenever there is even the slightest hint of bad weather, the VHF stations (KOMU 8, KOLR 10, KRCG 13) that the cable head end is receiving pixelate and break up! Audio drop outs and all that junk. And this is the way the cable company is receiving over the air and putting out on cable. I get the same garbage on my cheap antenna on the top of my house! I figured the cable company has a big tower with custom cut antennas and specialized gear to receive the locals OTA before sending them down the cable pipe. I guess they are suffering from the same VHF digital problems as the rest of us are. Charter's head end here apparently isn't getting a fiber feed from the local TV stations.

I thought it might almost be worth paying for the locals from Charter just to avoid the frustrations of the antenna at times, but it isn't any better and it is even a little worse, considering the compression the cable co does!

Lightning took out my preamp last night, so Charter is better than nothing I suppose.