The folks at Fair City News & Trip's site got a nice summation of it from an irate viewer: http://www.rabbitears.info/blog/index.php?post/2011/08/15/KRBK-Hires-SpokeSnuffy-to-Promote-New-FOX-Affiliation

I saw on KRBK's facebook and other pages that they are planning 5 additional transmitters around the area. I am guessing these would be digital (hopefully) translators to fill in the gaps. Has anyone (Trip?) seen evidence of these construction permits or licenses?

I saw on KRBK's facebook and other pages that they are planning 5 additional transmitters around the area. I am guessing these would be digital (hopefully) translators to fill in the gaps. Has anyone (Trip?) seen evidence of these construction permits or licenses?

Did you see my comment on that discussion thread? ;)

"KRBK: You say 5 antennas. Does this mean you're going to be putting Fox on the NLEC translators like K39IU-D in Springfield? I can't help but notice they have four transmitters in southwestern Missouri, not counting the one in Joplin, and add the main KRBK transmitter and that would make 5."

http://www.facebook.com/KRBKHDTV/posts/224804664238478

- Trip

Did you see my comment on that discussion thread? ;)

"KRBK: You say 5 antennas. Does this mean you're going to be putting Fox on the NLEC translators like K39IU-D in Springfield? I can't help but notice they have four transmitters in southwestern Missouri, not counting the one in Joplin, and add the main KRBK transmitter and that would make 5."

http://www.facebook.com/KRBKHDTV/posts/224804664238478

- Trip

Great FB post, Trip.

Did you see my comment on that discussion thread? ;)

"KRBK: You say 5 antennas. Does this mean you're going to be putting Fox on the NLEC translators like K39IU-D in Springfield? I can't help but notice they have four transmitters in southwestern Missouri, not counting the one in Joplin, and add the main KRBK transmitter and that would make 5."

http://www.facebook.com/KRBKHDTV/posts/224804664238478

- Trip

nope, I missed it! I dug around your web site and I don't see anything about translators for them. I'm guessing it would take months to go through the FCC red tape, get money, build the actual facilities, etc. Maybe longer.

Yes. A friend and I suspect they're probably going to be leasing bandwidth, but we won't really know until either it happens or they announce something. I'm hoping they don't just ignore my question.

- Trip

Considering the coyness with which "KBRK HD" has been tap dancing around the specific questions, I'd expect more lack of clarity will be the norm.

Considering the coyness with which "KBRK HD" has been tap dancing around the specific questions, I'd expect more lack of clarity will be the norm.Speaking of lack of clarity, I bet any translators they end up transmitting on will be 480i.

What do you expect from a broadcaster hiring Snuffy? ;)

Speaking of lack of clarity, I bet any translators they end up transmitting on will be 480i.

...or analog, even! :rolleyes:

:D

He said "you won't be disappointed with our coverage".

Bob and his Dad Hal had money and brains, but hold their cards pretty close to the vest.

Interested parties need to study up on these two links:

http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?list=0&facid=166319

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_transmission_system


Also note that the coordinates: 37° 13' 24.63" N Latitude 93° 14' 29.83" W Longitude are at a familiar address: 2650 E. Division St.

170 KW on Channel 49 should cover the Springfield Metro area nicely.

You might be disappointed if you live in Branson.

- Trip

He said "you won't be disappointed with our coverage".

Bob and his Dad Hal had money and brains, but hold their cards pretty close to the vest.

Interested parties need to study up on these two links:

http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?list=0&facid=166319

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_transmission_system


Also note that the coordinates: 37° 13' 24.63" N Latitude 93° 14' 29.83" W Longitude are at a familiar address: 2650 E. Division St.

170 KW on Channel 49 should cover the Springfield Metro area nicely.
What about those of us in rural areas, especially south and east of Springfield?

You might be disappointed if you live in Branson.

- Trip
Is it known where the five repeater towers are going to be?

http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1437928&contour=N&size=&map=Y&extras=&cir=&circen=37.7238888889%2C-93.2755555556

- Trip

http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1437928&contour=N&size=&map=Y&extras=&cir=&circen=37.7238888889%2C-93.2755555556

- Trip
I'm about 10 miles southwest of Ava, so it looks like I may be SOL. :(

Thanks Trip, for the map.

http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1437928&contour=N&size=&map=Y&extras=&cir=&circen=37.7238888889%2C-93.2755555556

- Trip

Great map! Thank you.

These are recent filings? I wonder if they will all be on the air this week.

They were filed late last week. I will be very surprised if it's on the air in the near future, but anything is possible..

- Trip

They were filed late last week. I will be very surprised if it's on the air in the near future, but anything is possible..

- Trip

There's the matter of the FCC approving them.

Its worth noting one of the sites they plan to use is at KOLR.

As for being on the air this week, I do know they have a plan in motion to make that happen. It just won't be on Channel 49.

I would rather not share all the details at the moment until it actually happens, but I can tell you they've procured a signal, they just have to get a digital transmitter going, and I'm told that is in motion.

There's the matter of the FCC approving them.

Its worth noting one of the sites they plan to use is at KOLR.

As for being on the air this week, I do know they have a plan in motion to make that happen. It just won't be on Channel 49.

I would rather not share all the details at the moment until it actually happens, but I can tell you they've procured a signal, they just have to get a digital transmitter going, and I'm told that is in motion.
Any idea if that signal will reach the Ava, Missouri area (the map supplied by Trip doesn't look good)?

Any idea if that signal will reach the Ava, Missouri area (the map supplied by Trip doesn't look good)?

The signal they've grabbed does not cover Ava. I've verified this one.

The signal they've grabbed does not cover Ava. I've verified this one.
That totally sux.
Thanks

And don't forget Northern Arkansas, which is still stuck in the Springfield DMA.

And don't forget Northern Arkansas, which is still stuck in the Springfield DMA.
The brass at Fox obviously don't give a damn about us.

There's a lot I can't publicly comment on due to the nature of the signal they're getting, but I can say that Springfield was a HUGE sticking point in this. As soon as I can, I'll post more of the details of what is going to happen. I've been asked (by the provider of the signal they're using) not to comment much more than I have.

I wonder if I can get a network waiver on Dish Network, since technically, I'm out of the coverage area of krbk and KFTA in Fort Smith. And I can't get krbk-HD on Dish, because I can't see the Eastern Arc satellites at my house.

As soon as I can, I'll post more of the details of what is going to happen. I've been asked (by the provider of the signal they're using) not to comment much more than I have.

I don't want to jeopardize your position in any way...so just consider this a stab in the dark and a wild, off-the-wall guess. So I wonder if there will be new revenue stream coming in for Marcus Lamb? :)

I don't want to jeopardize your position in any way...so just consider this a stab in the dark and a wild, off-the-wall guess. So I wonder if there will be new revenue stream coming in for Marcus Lamb? :)

No. Mr. Lamb's station is not where FOX is going. Even if it was, it doesn't cover Springfield.

No. Mr. Lamb's station is not where FOX is going. Even if it was, it doesn't cover Springfield.
I have it locked out, but Channel 31.1 comes in fine where I live.

New info on the KRBK viewing area. (http://www.foxkrbk.com/station/whats-happening/Making-the-Switch-to-the-new-home-of-FOX-this-fall-126140934.html)

Now that Sept 1 is here, I can comment publicly on KRBK's plans.

The Low power signal they've got is KRFT, which will be on 8-1, RF 21. This signal is being cut this weekend (probably as soon as the gear arrives to do it), and it should map to 8-1 (It can't map to 49 since they don't own it, they've just leased it in the short term from its owner).

http://www.news-leader.com/article/20110901/NEWS01/109010341/Fox-programs-make-switch-new-station-today?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

New info on the KRBK viewing area. (http://www.foxkrbk.com/station/whats-happening/Making-the-Switch-to-the-new-home-of-FOX-this-fall-126140934.html)

Great. OTA for most of this won't be until the 2nd week of October. Wonderful news for sports fans. Why not structure the deal to cut over in November, or some time when KRBK would be ready? Guess I'll be swinging my antenna to Columbia again.

Great. OTA for most of this won't be until the 2nd week of October. Wonderful news for sports fans. Why not structure the deal to cut over in November, or some time when KRBK would be ready? Guess I'll be swinging my antenna to Columbia again.
You're lucky to have that choice. My county (Douglas) is not listed,
nor is northern Arkansas. :(

A few viewers in North Ark. can get Fox via KFTA RF 27 (24-1). But not very many. I can (2 edge reception), thanks to being on a hilltop, but according to the FCC, my house is outside the KFTA coverage area (http://maps.google.com/?q=http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/contourplot.kml?gmap=2%26appid=1302647%26call=KFTA-TV%26freq=0.0%26contour=41%26city=FORT_SMITH%26state=AR).

A few viewers in North Ark. can get Fox via KFTA RF 27 (24-1).

I can get Fox OTA here via KFTA 51.2 Fayetteville, but alas, it's 4:3 SD. KRBK is still SD on Dish Eastern Arc, so, being the HD snobs we are, it looks like Fox has lost a viewer. I'm off the edge of that KRBK coverage map, and I'm not even going to try, as there's not enough room in the attic to swing that monstrosity around anyhow. I'm barely getting Fordland now, if you move the antenna more than a couple inches, it's lights out on all of Springfield.

Fortunately, the Stupour Bowl will be on NBC in 2012, so my annual party will still be HD OTA. Trouble is, I have to pick between KY3's superior picture quality, with 1990's era Dolby 2.0, or 51.1 KNWA's passthrough Dolby 5.1 audio, and pixelated video. (thanks to KFTA 51.2 being the secondary) But that's another rant :-)

Is KFTA the only Fox station in northern Arkansas?

Edit:
I found a list here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Fox_television_affiliates_(by_U.S._state))

KFTA, RF 27, Fort Smith (Tower at Mountainburg/Winslow).
KLRT, RF 32, Little Rock (Tower at Shinall Mtn., West of LR)

that's it for Arkansas.

KFTA, RF 27, Fort Smith (Tower at Mountainburg/Winslow).
KLRT, RF 32, Little Rock (Tower at Shinall Mtn., West of LR)

that's it for Arkansas.
Fort Smith is closest, but even if I aimed my antenna at it I'm sure its out of range. :(

If you have a C-band dish, I don't know how long it will last, but KRBK has an HD feed up on 99W in DVB-S2 8PSK from what I have heard.

- Trip

Tropo-ducting DX reception of KOZL (ex KSFX) in Southern Arkansas. One big signal wasted on syndicated programming and infomercials while another station with little OTA coverage tries to get by on the cheap.

Nexstar, you have created a real-life Frankenstein with the lust for Retransmission Consent revenue all these years. Now Frankenstein has grown up and FOX wanted their cut of the RC dough. When FOX couldn't get their cut of Nexstar's paytv "revenue", it was too happy to hand off their affiliation to a tiny QRP station in the middle of nowhere away from the bulk of the Springfield MO market.

September 1, 2011: A sad day for OTA HDTV viewers in Southern Missouri-Northern Arkansas.

Interesting speculation by Trip in VA on FOX's possible future for SW MO / NW Ark. viewers:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=20896595&posted=1#post20896595

Interesting speculation by Trip in VA on FOX's possible future for SW MO / NW Ark. viewers:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=20896595&posted=1#post20896595

Yay! That would fix my KBRK loss-of-Fox-HD problem quite well. When KPBI was live, it was a blowtorch here, far stronger than Springfield KSFX ever was. If I had problems with it, it meant the winds were strong enough I should probably be watching the radar instead of television :-)

...When KPBI was live, it was a blowtorch here...It's still on the air. See the Ft Smith thread...

It's still on the air. See the Ft Smith thread...

Ah, thanks. I remember reading about the PSIP problems awhile back. The Polaroid 40" was tolerant, but when KPBI went away on it, I assumed they went dark. Hard to believe that hasn't been addressed.

Its September 6th. Anyone in Springfield getting the KRBK signal?

Its September 6th. Anyone in Springfield getting the KRBK signal?

Not in Camdenton.

You should be getting ti at the Lake on Charter and so on.

You should be getting ti at the Lake on Charter and so on.
I'm only talking about the OTA signal.

Its September 6th. Anyone in Springfield getting the KRBK signal?
No, and I'm not surprised. They haven't posted any new information on their Facebook page, either.

ETA: They updated the info on their website (http://media.foxkrbk.com/documents/Master+Zip+Code.pdf) to say that September 8th is the new date for south Springfield.

I'm forwarding a message here I sent to the WTFDA (Worldwide TV FM DX Association) concerning a news story via Arkansas Business concerning KFSM's possible purchase of KPBI Eureka Springs. The commentary above and below the link is mine alone and is my personal observations.

Viewers in much of the Southern portion of the Springfield MO TV market will get access to another CBS station if the plan by Local TV owners of KFSM (18/5-n) Fort Smith AR goes to plan.

http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/article.aspx?aID=128320.54928.140443&view=all&link=perm

Currently, KFSM has good coverage in the Fayetteville and Fort Smith areas but Benton County AR and areas in the nearby Springfield MO TV market (such as Carroll, and Boone counties in AR)would benefit from a sat transmitter.

Of course with the demise of FOX affiliations with Nexstar Broadcasting (which owns KFTA and relays via a KNWA subchannel) this *could* bring KFSM/KPBI into the FOX fold if and when KFTA/Nexstar drops FOX. Currently KFSM carries My Network programming on its "5-2" subchannel in SDTV (CBS is in HD on 5-1).

If true, that is welcome news for a lot of CBS kolr10 viewers in N Ark./SW MO, that are tired of dropouts every time a cloud passes overhead.

If true, that is welcome news for a lot of CBS kolr10 viewers in N Ark./SW MO, that are tired of dropouts every time a cloud passes overhead.

Is it still considered a dropout if it lasts several months? :-) KOLR10 has been gone here since the switch back to VHF, and it's not from a lack of effort on our part. Although my personal preference would be to see Fox on KPBI, CBS would be a win too. Amazing how SW Missouri has managed to lose OTA coverage of two major networks.

If nexstar loses FOX on KFTA, KPBI will likely be the eventual new home for it, if KFSM's owner snags it.

Folks in and around Springfield, look for FOX on KRFT-21, mapping to 49-1.

- Trip

So you that channel doesn't have a Website yet.

Folks in and around Springfield, look for FOX on KRFT-21, mapping to 49-1.
I can confirm reception in central Springfield with a simple whip antenna. I'm not a fan of those sidepanels.

Folks in and around Springfield, look for FOX on KRFT-21, mapping to 49-1.

- Trip

I'm about 10 miles north of Springfield and I'm getting it. It's about 1 bar weaker than all my other channels but not bad. In Windows Media Center it won't populate the guide for the channel though, which is not good. Will the signal get stronger for me in the coming months?

Right now they're operating via KRFT-LD 21. When they get the KRBK DTS built on channel 49, the power will go from 3 kW to 170 kW with an increase in height as well.

- Trip

I'm not a fan of those sidepanels.
+1
Those are ridiculous. Maybe they will change them if enough of us email them to complain about it....

I'm about 10 miles north of Springfield and I'm getting it. It's about 1 bar weaker than all my other channels but not bad. In Windows Media Center it won't populate the guide for the channel though, which is not good. Will the signal get stronger for me in the coming months?

There's no guide data for KRBK yet.

I am recieving KRBK OTA in SW Springfield near Sunshine today.
Signal 56% & 100% quality Compare to KLOR at 67% and 80% quality
All others 98% signal. 100% quality.
Picture is very grainy but it is on Direct TV also.
Like watching low def on your big screen go to KRBK.

Very surprised, but I'm getting KRBK from 21 mapped to 49 through my dish 722 receiver at 60%. Now it dropped to 58% and blocking. Might be able to tweak my antenna and get it better. I'm about 35 miles SW of Springfield driving distants. And not on top of a hill. My 4228 is split about 7 ways, so if I hooked direct it would improve alot.
Now I have lost it while typing this.

Um, is anyone else missing KRBK SD on their Dish guide? It has disappeared here from both the 211 and 622.

Edit: KRBK is now mapped to channel 5 on both Dish receivers after rebooting them. It's still SD though.

I am getting KRBKHD OTA in Ozark near 65 & 14. I have an indoor antenna and am getting between 60-70% signal strength. I had to adjust the length of the rabit ears, which decreased my KOLR signal and now it is blocking, but atleast I will have NFL in HD this weekend.

I'm getting KRBK in 720P 5.1 at the south edge of Springfield. Signal strength is listed at about 52% on my Panasonic, and my Visio lists strength as a signal-to-noise ratio of 23 dB. Both these numbers are slightly higher than KOLR.

I've got a 40 year old VHF/UHF antenna in my attic. Wingspan is probably 8 feet, aimed at Fordland. My house is in a slight valley.

After tweaking my antenna tonight, I'm getting as much as 66% signal strength. Looks like the guide info on my dish receiver is feeding something in spanish.KRBK info off sat is ok. Hope dish adds KRBKHD soon, but atleast now I can get it off my antenna if they don't mess with it.I'm about 6 miles South of Crane.

I'm glad I have alternatives to KRBK. Really. I can't believe for the life of me how a guy who ran a decent station in St Louis has dropped this one so bad.

On Charter cable, KRBK looks like it is SD. Fox NFL was in 4:3 with black bars on the sides, but looked like Fox was sending 16:9. I don't know what it looks like on D* or OTA. It was almost like someone pasted on black bars over top of a 16:9 feed. The ticker along the bottom was cut off. It is all just really lame.

It looked the same way on Dish. You could only see part of the score bug, (*) and the video quality was low bit rate streaming quality. Actually, that's being unfair to streaming. My dilemma, and now all of the southern Springfield OTA and Dish DMA, is that our only alternative for Fox is KFTA out of Fayetteville, which is also 4:3 SD, and only looks marginally better that KRBK on Dish.

* George Carlin: And now for a partial score, Green Bay 24.




On Charter cable, KRBK looks like it is SD. Fox NFL was in 4:3 with black bars on the sides, but looked like Fox was sending 16:9. I don't know what it looks like on D* or OTA. It was almost like someone pasted on black bars over top of a 16:9 feed. The ticker along the bottom was cut off. It is all just really lame.

...My dilemma, and now all of the southern Springfield OTA and Dish DMA, is that our only alternative for Fox is KFTA out of Fayetteville, which is also 4:3Actually, you're referring to KFTA's SD translator on RF channel 50 (remaps to 51-2). The "real" KFTA RF ch 27 (mapst to 24-1) is 16:9,720p HD. But the transmitter is much too far to the South for you to receive.

Hopefully KFSM's (Local TV LLC.) purchase of KPBI will go through and:
They increase KPBI's power to 1,000kW ERP.
KFTA loses their FOX affiliation.
KFSM picks up the FOX affiliation.
KFSM puts FOX HD on KPBI 34-1.

A lot of "ifs" but it might actually happen.

It looked the same way on Dish. You could only see part of the score bug, (*) and the video quality was low bit rate streaming quality. Actually, that's being unfair to streaming. My dilemma, and now all of the southern Springfield OTA and Dish DMA, is that our only alternative for Fox is KFTA out of Fayetteville, which is also 4:3 SD, and only looks marginally better that KRBK on Dish.

* George Carlin: And now for a partial score, Green Bay 24.

Hells kitchen looks great in full HD on Charter tonight. Wonder why they can't get it right for NFL. Those black side panels with KRBK plastered on them are just unprofessional. It looks like a high school TV station.

KRBK My Family Net as a Digital Sub Channel

KRBK My Family Net as a Digital Sub Channel
??? :confused:

Those black side panels with KRBK plastered on them are just unprofessional. It looks like a high school TV station.

Fortunately there are no side panels on the Dish SD feed, just black.

Looks we will have KRBK on dish in HD maybe today. It was uplinked yesterday.This is great news for those who can't receive it OTA. Plus we will have guide info to make it easier to record.

Looks we will have KRBK on dish in HD maybe today. It was uplinked yesterday.This is great news for those who can't receive it OTA. Plus we will have guide info to make it easier to record.

I sure hope your correct. Now if they can show the NFL games in HD instead of what they did last week.

If you have a C-band dish, I don't know how long it will last, but KRBK has an HD feed up on 99W in DVB-S2 8PSK from what I have heard.

- Trip

You heard correctly, and that feed is still up on C-band.

It's a good strong signal, I am getting it with a 10 foot mesh dish, but an 8', or even a good 6' should be sufficient.

I have KRBK guide info via OTA in Windows Media Center tonight. I had problems with quality last Tuesday night, but I think that was from the storms we had. While the strength meter is sometimes a notch below my other channels, I haven't had any problems other than on the stormy night.

I'm in a pretty ideal place though, about 4 miles northeast of Sunshine and highway 65 in Springfield with a CM4228 about 20 feet off the ground.

Looks we will have KRBK on dish in HD maybe today. It was uplinked yesterday.



A week later, I was hoping it would be made available. Oh well, at least it's uplinked. Maybe next week.

BTW, for those of you that get KRBK OTA, how are they handling Dolby Digital? Are they doing a pass-thru, thus preserving the 5.1 mix? Or are they fumbling around and only doing Dolby 2.0, like KY3?

BTW, for those of you that get KRBK OTA, how are they handling Dolby Digital? Are they doing a pass-thru, thus preserving the 5.1 mix? Or are they fumbling around and only doing Dolby 2.0, like KY3?

It's 5.1.

I have KRBK guide info via OTA in Windows Media Center tonight. I had problems with quality last Tuesday night, but I think that was from the storms we had. While the strength meter is sometimes a notch below my other channels, I haven't had any problems other than on the stormy night.

I'm in a pretty ideal place though, about 4 miles northeast of Sunshine and highway 65 in Springfield with a CM4228 about 20 feet off the ground.

I'm in Ozark and I got nothing. I didn't even know there was an issue until Fringe failed to record. This station is full power?

I'm in Ozark and I got nothing. I didn't even know there was an issue until Fringe failed to record. This station is full power?
There's a letter from the KRBK GM just posted here. (http://www.foxkrbk.com/station/whats-happening/Making-the-Switch-to-the-new-home-of-FOX-this-fall-126140934.html)

Thanks for the link. He talked about increased power in the coming WEEKS... so I guess FOX is dead to me for the forseeable future.

Thanks for the link. He talked about increased power in the coming WEEKS... so I guess FOX is dead to me for the forseeable future.
Me too. I live 10 miles southwest of Ava, so even when they have everything up & running its not certain I'll pick up their signal. :(

Maybe it's just me but the former FOX (channel 27.1) now looks completely worthless. I deleted it.

I've been able to pull in the new Fox affiliate for about a week now, using one of the new "helper" towers here in Springfield. However, I still have no guide data on my Tivo Premiere. So I don't watch anything on it, if I can't time shift and skip through commercials, it is the same thing as not getting the channel for me ;)

Anyone know the proper way to alert TiVo of this issue, what info I should send them, etc.?

Thanks,

IIRC, Tribune Media provides the guide for Tivo. Have the station contact them to get the data added. Also, check the AVS HDTV Recorder sub-forum (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=7&f=42) or the Tivo Community forums (http://www.tivocommunity.com/) for help with this issue.

Good luck.

IIRC, Tribune Media provides the guide for Tivo. Have the station contact them to get the data added. Also, check the AVS HDTV Recorder sub-forum (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?s=&daysprune=7&f=42) or the Tivo Community forums (http://www.tivocommunity.com/) for help with this issue.
KRBK has been added to Tribune/TMS Datadirect listings for the Springfield area. I opened a lineup trouble ticket a couple weeks ago and got a final response yesterday that it had been completed.

They're also finally sending PSIP guide data over the air now, although it seems to be titles only and no episode descriptions.

I have guide data for KRBK 49-1 RF 49, but nothing for KRBK 49-1 RF 21 which is what I get when I scan.

I've reported this problem twice using this page:

http://www.tivo.com/setupandsupport/contactsupport/lineup_tool.html

They alway respond by saying the lineup issue has been solved because their Mediacom QAM channels are correct. I can't get though to them that this is an OTA issue and has nothing to do with Mediacom or QAM.




I've been able to pull in the new Fox affiliate for about a week now, using one of the new "helper" towers here in Springfield. However, I still have no guide data on my Tivo Premiere. So I don't watch anything on it, if I can't time shift and skip through commercials, it is the same thing as not getting the channel for me ;)

Anyone know the proper way to alert TiVo of this issue, what info I should send them, etc.?

Thanks,

It may not be worth going through all the motions of getting the data moved to 21 when they're going to have 49 lit up in a few weeks and you'll have to get it all changed back to 49 again.

- Trip

Maybe it's just me but the former FOX (channel 27.1) now looks completely worthless. I deleted it.

What about TMZ now on @ 7:00pm? That doesn't do anything for you?

What about TMZ now on @ 7:00pm? That doesn't do anything for you?
They moved TMZ to 1:00 AM. :)

They moved TMZ to 1:00 AM. :)

The 3 viewers must have raised a stink.

We now have KRBK in HD on dish. Still haven't turned power up for ota that I can tell though. I guess more power will be from the new tower, is that correct? Then we will rescan or select channel 49 to receive the higher power, is that correct.
Can't figure dish and several other carriers using channel 5 unless some other change is in the future.

Still haven't turned power up for ota that I can tell though.

Not yet.

I guess more power will be from the new tower, is that correct?

Correct.

Then we will rescan or select channel 49 to receive the higher power, is that correct.

Correct.

Can't figure dish and several other carriers using channel 5 unless some other change is in the future.

My local CW affiliate here in Virginia brands as "CW5" with the 5 being the cable channel, and one of the two satellite companies carries it on channel 5 as well. (The other uses 21, if I recall correctly, which is the over-the-air mapped channel number.) I suspect the same is true for KRBK.

- Trip

Today, work started on a transmitter shack at the base of the 2650 E Division St tower, where they have a construction permit for 170 KW on channel 49.

It's hard to estimate the schedule, but it they haul in a pre-fab shelter with equipment inside like the cellular companies do, they could be on the air fairly quickly.

No sign of an antenna or transmission like on the property yet though.

Today, work started on a transmitter shack at the base of the 2650 E Division St tower, where they have a construction permit for 170 KW on channel 49.

It's hard to estimate the schedule, but it they haul in a pre-fab shelter with equipment inside like the cellular companies do, they could be on the air fairly quickly.

No sign of an antenna or transmission like on the property yet though.
Thanks. Please post any updates. :)

The transmitter shack is trapezoid shaped to fit within the existing chain link fence around the tower. It's over 12 feet tall and made of a wood frame with particle board sides. No roof yet.

Today they have an auger truck preparing to set a telephone phone, supposedly to put a satellite dish on. Since the Fox Network sat equipment is at the studio on Enterprise, the only thing they might need a satellite for is as a studio to transmitter link.

I wonder if they have to distribute the signal to the 4 transmitters via satellite to get the timing right. If so the existing sat feed would remain up indefinatey.

Does anyone have the exact parms (symbol rate and FEC)for this digital feed?

Thanks. Please post any updates. :)

The transmitter shack is trapezoid shaped to fit within the existing chain link fence around the tower. It's over 12 feet tall and made of a wood frame with particle board sides. No roof yet.

Today they have an auger truck preparing to set a telephone phone, supposedly to put a satellite dish on. Since the Fox Network sat equipment is at the studio on Enterprise, the only thing they might need a satellite for is as a studio to transmitter link.

I wonder if they have to distribute the signal to the 4 transmitters via satellite to get the timing right. If so the existing sat feed would remain up indefinatey.

Does anyone have the exact parms (symbol rate and FEC)for this digital feed?

Source: http://www.lyngsat.com/galaxy16.html
Symbol: 7328
Fec: 8/9

KRBK is on Galaxy 16/99 degree west.

They're going to use the satellite permanently to the best of my knowledge. It beats putting up numerous STLs to the various transmitters. As far as I know that's how they're feeding RF 21 as it is.

Source: http://www.lyngsat.com/galaxy16.html
Symbol: 7328
Fec: 8/9

KRBK is on Galaxy 16/99 degree west.

They're going to use the satellite permanently to the best of my knowledge. It beats putting up numerous STLs to the various transmitters. As far as I know that's how they're feeding RF 21 as it is.
When they go full power they'll be on RF 49, right?

Chuck44: Yes.

- Trip

Chuck44: Yes.

- Trip
Thanks.

When they go full power they'll be on RF 49, right?

Correct. RF49.

One other reason they'll use the satellite permanently...feeding cable ops outside of their core coverage area.

565 feet of transmission line has been delivered and the transmitter shack now has a door and a heat pump.

565 feet of transmission line has been delivered and the transmitter shack now has a door and a heat pump.
Thanks for the update.
So, are they going to use the pre-existing KOLR10 tower there, or build a new one?

It's the KOLR studio tower.

An earlier owner of KOLR/KDEB sold all four towers to American Tower. (one at each studio and one at each transmitter)

The KDEB transmitter tower fell down.


Thanks for the update.
So, are they going to use the pre-existing KOLR10 tower there, or build a new one?

The tower crew from Precision Communications is working on the tower at 2650 E Division St.

There is still no sign of the actual transmitter or antenna, but the transmitter shack is 90% complete and transmission line and hangers are on site.

It's quite a job installing over 500 feet of transmission line, but this is a good crew and they have perfect weather.

Hoisting the antenna and installing the transmitter and sat receiving equipment could happen pretty fast.

The tower crew from Precision Communications is working on the tower at 2650 E Division St.

There is still no sign of the actual transmitter or antenna, but the transmitter shack is 90% complete and transmission line and hangers are on site.

It's quite a job installing over 500 feet of transmission line, but this is a good crew and they have perfect weather.

Hoisting the antenna and installing the transmitter and sat receiving equipment could happen pretty fast.
Their latest update is here. (http://www.foxkrbk.com/station/whats-happening/World-Series-and-Over-the-Air-Update-5--132235233.html) They say they're going to try & raise the transmission cable today, then the antenna.

Here is the very latest update. (http://www.facebook.com/KRBKHDTV#!/notes/krbk-hd/world-series-and-over-the-air-update-6/273980735975833)

Signal maybe 7 times stronger, but I can't get a sniff of it. Still getting 74% tonight off RF21. Hope they don't shut it down to quick.

The KRBK engineering team says that some people may need two antennas and combine them. Having tried this in the past, I feel this is bad advice due to multipath issues combining the two. They also recommend using an antenna rotor or re-pointing your antenna. This is all good information for people who are interested in the technical details of TV or are hobbyists, but to the average old lady in Wherever, MO it is all a pain in the butt and probably impossible to do without help. Once upon a time it was simple to get an antenna and point it at Fordland. Now people have to jump through hoops to simply get OTA TV. Most OTA viewers have now missed Nascar, baseball playoffs and world series, NFL football, and many popular series premieres. This whole thing is a total, poorly planned mess and joke.

Still no signal in Ozark. Went to the local Radio Shack and their solution was to sell me another antenna. Told them I already had an outdoor antenna and they just shrugged. They did say they had never seen so many pissed off people... Lots of Cards fans around here.

A friend of mine in Fair Grove gets nothing on rf 49, even with a good antenna.
A 540 foot antenna, just can't provide line of sight coverage like the 2000 ft towers do.


Still no signal in Ozark. Went to the local Radio Shack and their solution was to sell me another antenna. Told them I already had an outdoor antenna and they just shrugged. They did say they had never seen so many pissed off people... Lots of Cards fans around here.

...A 540 foot antenna, just can't provide line of sight coverage like the 2000 ft towers do.True. And those 2000' towers also allow many viewers to receive perfect reception 70+ miles away, with only an indoor rabbit ear/loop antenna. At least for UHF channels.

I rescanned this evening and no improvement in KRBK. Apparently only one of my TVs can tell me what actual channel it picks up, and it says 49-1 is still on 21, with a blocky picture this evening.

There is no 49-1 on ch49. Should there be, or do my TVs ignore the weaker one, or what?

Some TVs pick the first channel they come across when they find two identical signals. 21 being lower than 49, that could be your issue.

- Trip

Stupid virtual channels.

Stupid virtual channels.

: popcorn:

:D

Stupid virtual channels.

More like "stupid equipment manufacturers who don't follow standards."

- Trip

More like both.

http://www.rabbitears.info/blog/index.php?post/2010/04/07/Opinion%3A-Virtual-Channel-Numbers

I wrote that to avoid having to have that argument again. :D

- Trip

A friend of mine in Fair Grove gets nothing on rf 49, even with a good antenna.
A 540 foot antenna, just can't provide line of sight coverage like the 2000 ft towers do.

Well, it looks to me like their coverage map http://media.foxkrbk.com/images/CoverageMapFinal3.jpg
is (1) an outrageous lie or (2) extremely wishful thinking.

Well, it looks to me like their coverage map http://media.foxkrbk.com/images/CoverageMapFinal3.jpg
is (1) an outrageous lie or (2) extremely wishful thinking.
Their system is one of the few new SFN systems.
For full coverage all 5 towers need to be operational.
So far only 3 are up & running.

Actually, only two are up and running, and neither of those are at full power yet.

- Trip

Actually, only two are up and running, and neither of those are at full power yet.

- Trip
I stand corrected.
Thanks Trip. :)

Actually, only two are up and running, and neither of those are at full power yet.

- Trip
I thought the new one at KOLR was at full power.:confused:

I thought the new one at KOLR was at full power.:confused:

Exactly. They said in their blog it was 7x the power of the temp transmitter. If that isn't full power they should say so.

Murphy's Law hit, thus the various outages that have been observed. I'm not really sure how much I'm allowed to say.

- Trip

World Series is now unwatchable due to drop outs.

Wonderful.:mad:

I have a large outdoor UHF-VHF antenna which receives all of the Fordland stations including channel 10. For appearance I would like to cut it down to receive UHF and channel 10 only. Anyone have a suggestion on how to do it right?
I can get a picture if someone needs it.
I am located in West Plains.

From all I've read in the past about modifying an all-channel antenna to VHF-Hi + UHF, it's not a good idea unless you live in a strong signal area, where it probably wouldn't matter anyway.

If the excessive size is an issue, best to just replace it with a new, smaller antenna.

Looks like KRBK has cut the power on RF21. Haven't had a signal for 2 days now. From what I see in the updates, looks like no towers for us in the south. Guess I will wait and see.

Looks like KRBK has cut the power on RF21. Haven't had a signal for 2 days now. From what I see in the updates, looks like no towers for us in the south. Guess I will wait and see.
There's a coverage mat on their website, showing what the coverage will be once all 5 towers are operational and the new SFN is at full power.
Click here. (http://www.foxkrbk.com/station/whats-happening/Information-about-the-NEW-FOX-KRBK-133102508.html)

I wonder if channel 21 in Harrison will interfere with the southern part of their coverage area...

I wonder if channel 21 in Harrison will interfere with the southern part of their coverage area...
No. When complete the entire SFN will be on RF 49 (49.1).

What NFL game is being shown on 49 today? I saw for awhile it was Chicago/Detroit but then changed to San Fran or something.

There's a coverage mat on their website, showing what the coverage will be once all 5 towers are operational and the new SFN is at full power.
Click here. (http://www.foxkrbk.com/station/whats-happening/Information-about-the-NEW-FOX-KRBK-133102508.html)

RF 21 is still up for me in downtown.

RF 21 is still up for me in downtown.
They're in the middle of upgrading the transmitter on E. Division.

http://www.foxkrbk.com/station/whats-happening/Over-the-Air-Update--13-133492128.html

http://www.foxkrbk.com/station/whats-happening/Over-the-Air-Update--13-133492128.html
This one is a little more recent. (http://www.foxkrbk.com/station/whats-happening/Engineering-Update-11--134338908.html)

This one is a little more recent. (http://www.foxkrbk.com/station/whats-happening/Engineering-Update-11--134338908.html)

From the link above:
Bear in mind that antenna pointing is critical for viewers outside the immediate Springfield metro area (particlarly in the south).

I am in the "immediate Springfield metro area" (just south of the city limits) with an antenna and preamp in the attic, pointed toward Fordland, and I get frequent dropouts in the signal. I rarely watch Fox, but if I did it would be really annoying.

I am in the "immediate Springfield metro area" (just south of the city limits) with an antenna and preamp in the attic, pointed toward Fordland,

KBRK doesn't transmit from Fordland...

KBRK doesn't transmit from Fordland...

I am aware of that, but I see how my post could be confusing. The KRBK info implied that those in the Springfield metro area don't need to aim the antenna toward the KOLR tower on Division.

It looks like I would need to add a second antenna aimed north to get consistent reception on KRBK. I'm not really interested in doing that.

Two crappy network affiliates in Springfield.
A CBS on weak VHF that's unwatchable with lightning in the area.
A FOX that's not receivable in much of the Southern part of the DMA, including all of the Northern Arkansas.

This one is a little more recent. (http://www.foxkrbk.com/station/whats-happening/Engineering-Update-11--134338908.html)

Thanks Chuck, looks like I grabbed the wrong link when I posted that. :)

I rescanned my tvs yesterday and am locking KRBK 49-1 two times here between Chesapeake and Halltown.

The stronger of the 2 signals is running about 65% Q (and that compares to upper 80s-low 90s I see on 3, 21, 27 & 33), but pic is steady, no pixelation.

I guess I am picking it up from 2 different transmitter locations?

Thanks Chuck, looks like I grabbed the wrong link when I posted that. :)

I rescanned my tvs yesterday and am locking KRBK 49-1 two times here between Chesapeake and Halltown.

The stronger of the 2 signals is running about 65% Q (and that compares to upper 80s-low 90s I see on 3, 21, 27 & 33), but pic is steady, no pixelation.

I guess I am picking it up from 2 different transmitter locations?
Sounds like it. I envy you - where I'm at even with an outside antenna on a 15 foot pole I get a big zero.

Sounds like it. I envy you - where I'm at even with an outside antenna on a 15 foot pole I get a big zero.

Hopefully whatever tweaks that are still to be made will get you some signal, there's no good excuse for not adequately serving a big part of the DMA.

I have a CM 4228 (aimed towards Fordland) about 35' in the air, going into a CM 7777 preamp, feeding 4 tvs.

The last update on 11/19 said 2-3 weeks and the Polk tower should be up and operational. It's been over 2 weeks, I hope it gets turned on before Sunday for NFL. I had been getting 49 but lately it's been too weak to even tune in on Media Center. Maybe because it's been storming constantly.

I doubt anybody will be climbing towers in this weather.

one of the 49-1 signals has been remapped back to 8-1 with a slide telling viewers to tune to 49.1 to watch KRBK, and to rescan.

one of the 49-1 signals has been remapped back to 8-1 with a slide telling viewers to tune to 49.1 to watch KRBK, and to rescan.
Sounds like they may have shut down the temporary RF 21 channel.

Halfway through Person of Interest, KOLR became unwatchable. Dropouts and blocky. Nice.:mad:

8-1 has appeared. No video or audio though.

Halfway through Person of Interest, KOLR became unwatchable. Dropouts and blocky. Nice.:mad:

8-1 has appeared. No video or audio though.
Must be your antenna. Clear as a bell here - about 20 miles south of Fordland.

Halfway through Person of Interest, KOLR became unwatchable. Dropouts and blocky. Nice.:mad:

KOLR has been unwatchable for years. I just note since they switched to digital, it just became worse.



8-1 has appeared. No video or audio though.

Its airing INSP religion crap at the moment.

I live in Springfield and wondering if anyone in town can pick up a Reto TV, This TV, Antenna TV, or Me TV stations in Springfield?
i am trying to find out before i buy rooftop Antenna''':)

I live in Springfield and wondering if anyone in town can pick up a Reto TV, This TV, Antenna TV, or Me TV stations in Springfield?
i am trying to find out before i buy rooftop Antenna''':)

Go to http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php
Go to market #83, the "Expand/contract All" to see what is available.act address

Then, match your exact address TVFool with the potential channels to see what might be possible for YOUR particular location.

I live in Springfield and wondering if anyone in town can pick up a Reto TV, This TV, Antenna TV, or Me TV stations in Springfield?
i am trying to find out before i buy rooftop Antenna''':)According to this coverage map (http://maps.google.com/?q=http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/contourplot.kml?gmap=2%26appid=1369647%26call=K26GS-D%26freq=0.0%26contour=51%26city=HARRISON%26state=AR), it is not likely receivable in Springfield, at least not reliably.

ok what about Daystar 31-1 it shows on Wikipedia
that there sub channel 31-2 show RTN RETRO TV is this true anf if so can this channel be picked up from Branson to Springfield?

ok what about Daystar 31-1 it shows on Wikipedia
that there sub channel 31-2 show RTN RETRO TV is this true anf if so can this channel be picked up from Branson to Springfield?
Channel 31.1 is transmitted from Taneyville, Missouri.
AFAIK there is no 31.2 for that station.

Here (http://www.facebook.com/notes/krbk-hd/engineering-update-121611/305148292859077) is the latest update on KRBK on facebook.

Anyone here actually watch KRFT-LP 8.1 (Inspiration Channel)? The only thing I watch are The Brady Bunch and Happy Days (on at 4PM and 5PM respectively). What bugs me about the channel is how dark the brightness/contrast is. Anyone else seeing this issue (just want to make sure it isn't just me). All my other channels are perfect.

Anyone here actually watch KRFT-LP 8.1 (Inspiration Channel)? The only thing I watch are The Brady Bunch and Happy Days (on at 4PM and 5PM respectively). What bugs me about the channel is how dark the brightness/contrast is. Anyone else seeing this issue (just want to make sure it isn't just me). All my other channels are perfect.
Someone posted about the same thing on KRBK's Facebook page (unless that was you?).

Wasn't me. I did send an email to Craft Broadcasting asking about it. I doubt they'll answer, but thought it would be worth a shot. Being able to get somewhat of a classic television fix is great. I'd wish we'd get Antenna TV or RTV around here.

I have spoken with Mr. Craft and he is aware of the issues with 8.1 they are using an encoder that is pretty ancient and he's trying to secure newer gear.

Ozarks Public Television is currently replacing the transmission line at the KOZJ Joplin transmitter facility. This work will require KOZJ to be shut off periodically next week. Service will be restored as soon as possible.

Cable and satellite viewers may or may not be affected depending on whether the provider is able to temporarily use a signal from the KOZK transmitter.

For people in N/NW Ark. and SW MO who have trouble with dropouts on CBS kolr 10:

Good news, the CBS affiliate in Fayetteville/Ft Smith has purchased channel 34 in Eureka Springs. Currently, they are running CBS-HD and MyNetwork-SD on sub channels of channel 34. Call letters changed from KPBI to KXNW.

The previous owner left the station in shambles and they are currently operating on a STA (https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101482776&formid=911&fac_num=81593) at very low power. They have a CP to increase power to 1,000kW. Here's a map of the eventual coverage area (http://maps.google.com/?q=http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/contourplot.kml?gmap=2%26appid=1251268%26call=KXNW%26freq=0. 0%26contour=41%26city=EUREKA_SPRINGS%26state=AR.kml).

For people in N/NW Ark. and SW MO who have trouble with dropouts on CBS kolr 10:

Good news, the CBS affiliate in Fayetteville/Ft Smith has purchased channel 34 in Eureka Springs. Currently, they are running CBS-HD and MyNetwork-SD on sub channels of channel 34. Call letters changed from KPBI to KXNW.

The previous owner left the station in shambles and they are currently operating on a STA (https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101482776&formid=911&fac_num=81593) at very low power. They have a CP to increase power to 1,000kW. Here's a map of the eventual coverage area (http://maps.google.com/?q=http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/contourplot.kml?gmap=2%26appid=1251268%26call=KXNW%26freq=0. 0%26contour=41%26city=EUREKA_SPRINGS%26state=AR.kml).

When are they expected to increase power? For some reason I have always gotten KFSM on 5-1 at 100% here in Boone County. I would guess we are outside the expected coverage area.

When are they expected to increase power? For some reason I have always gotten KFSM on 5-1 at 100% here in Boone County. I would guess we are outside the expected coverage area.Not sure when they expect to increase power on KXNW. From what I heard, they have a lot of repairs to do before they can increase the transmitter power to a decent level.

Here's the KFSM RF 18 service contour (http://maps.google.com/?q=http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/contourplot.kml?gmap=2%26appid=1128658%26call=KFSM-TV%26freq=0.0%26contour=41%26city=FORT_SMITH%26state=AR.kml) . It doesn't show Harrison in it, but the signal really gets out there if you have sufficient elevation. I easily pick it up in Carroll, with nothing more than an indoor loop antenna. They also have an application pending to boost RF 18 from 550 to 1,000kW ERP. But it may be on the back burner with the recent purchase of channel 34 in Eureka.

Anyone know what happened to KRFT-LP 8.1? That's what I get for complaining about the dark picture. Just yank the broadcast altogether. :)

i cant find out a phone listing for KRFT-LP 8.1 i hope its going to show back up soon :confused:

i cant find out a phone listing for KRFT-LP 8.1 i hope its going to show back up soon :confused:
There's a phone number in the FCC database on this page. (http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/sta_det.pl?Facility_id=52540)

They're retooling equipment.

Sitting here wondering when KY3 will catch up to the 1990's and start broadcasting in dolby 5.1? I feel like this has dragged on long enough.

Sitting here wondering when KY3 will catch up to the 1990's and start broadcasting in dolby 5.1? I feel like this has dragged on long enough.

When the cheapass gm over there upgrades his gear.

KRBK says they are running full power on Springfield tower, so I guess thats all we are going to get as this is the tower farthest South. Is this correct? I get nothing now and only about 20 miles South of Springfield. Did get them of RF21, now nothing.

KRBK says they are running full power on Springfield tower, so I guess thats all we are going to get as this is the tower farthest South. Is this correct? I get nothing now and only about 20 miles South of Springfield. Did get them of RF21, now nothing.
Because of the nature of the new SFN system, the actual range will not be known until all 5 towers are up to full power and syncronized.

Bottom line, they've basically said to hell with the Southern part of the Springfield DMA, including all of Northern Arkansas unfortunately stuck in that market.

Funny you should mention that. I emailed Kirk Lemons, their Chief Engineer, about that very thing a little over a week ago. Haven't heard anything back. Don't expect I will. Looks like I have to watch the Super Bowl on KNWA 52.1 out of NW Arkansas to get caught up to 90's Dolby Digital surround technology.

(sigh)

Sitting here wondering when KY3 will catch up to the 1990's and start broadcasting in dolby 5.1? I feel like this has dragged on long enough.

Did a scan on the Dish 622 Saturday to see if there was anything new going on, and ended up with K22H, mapped to 22.1. It was a 4:3 broadcast, highly pixellated, and was airing a basketball game. Google returned no results of those call letters. Anyone else seeing this?

I see you are located in Branson West, but it wasn't anything new. You were receiving K22HS Eureka Springs AR, which just shows K22H in the PSIP data.

They are suppose to be a GCN affiliate, but will occasionally show NW Arkansas sports. Only 5kw.

K22HS's 5kW coverage area shown here:
http://maps.google.com/?q=http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/contourplot.kml?gmap=2%26appid=1427826%26call=K22HS-D%26freq=0.0%26contour=51%26city=EUREKA_SPRINGS%26state=AR.k ml
They have an application for 10kW. Programming is mostly religious.

KXNW, Eureka Springs, has done some work on the transmitter and is now back up to 70kW ERP. They still plan to boost power to 1,000kW at some point. Current coverage area shown here (http://maps.google.com/?q=http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/contourplot.kml?gmap=2%26appid=1406145%26call=KXNW%26freq=0. 0%26contour=41%26city=EUREKA_SPRINGS%26state=AR.kml).

KXNW currently carries MyNetwork-SD on 34-1 and CBS-HD on 34-2.

I'm now receiving a signal from KRBK RF49. Got about 57% through my dish receiver, not good enough to watch. Adjusted antenna a little towards Springfield, improved it to 61%,locked in good now. Still able to get all other locals with high %.

I'm now receiving a signal from KRBK RF49. Got about 57% through my dish receiver, not good enough to watch. Adjusted antenna a little towards Springfield, improved it to 61%,locked in good now. Still able to get all other locals with high %.
Dish receiver? Are you OTA or satellite?

Many dish boxes have OTA tuners. Ours do.

Many dish boxes have OTA tuners. Ours do.
OK, thanks.

KXNW, Eureka Springs, has done some work on the transmitter and is now back up to 70kW ERP. They still plan to boost power to 1,000kW at some point. Current coverage area shown here (http://maps.google.com/?q=http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/contourplot.kml?gmap=2%26appid=1406145%26call=KXNW%26freq=0. 0%26contour=41%26city=EUREKA_SPRINGS%26state=AR.kml).

KXNW currently carries MyNetwork-SD on 34-1 and CBS-HD on 34-2.

Thanks for the update, good to hear some progress is being made. Still can't get a whiff of their signal here, but it will be nice to have CBS OTA again once they are up to full power.

I see you are located in Branson West, but it wasn't anything new. You were receiving K22HS Eureka Springs AR, which just shows K22H in the PSIP data.

They are suppose to be a GCN affiliate, but will occasionally show NW Arkansas sports. Only 5kw.

Sorry, my bad. I forgot about them, and didn't bother to check TVFool. I now remember seeing them listed back when I was putting up my antenna years ago. However, this was the first time they ever showed up in a scan. Must be that time of the year, I'm also occasionally getting KOLR-10 again, yet horribly pixellated. But, at least it's enough to re-populate my TVGOS, and set my clock correctly.

But, at least it's enough to re-populate my TVGOS, and set my clock correctly.
Does your TVGOS show program info for ch 33.2 the CW?

Does your TVGOS show program info for ch 33.2 the CW?

Just checked, and no, my guide stops at 33.1. It does show the subchannels for KY3 and KOZK, however.

Just checked, and no, my guide stops at 33.1. It does show the subchannels for KY3 and KOZK, however.
I just wondered because my DTVPal DVR shows all the OTA channels,
but since the CW moved from 3.2 to 33.2 all I get for it is PSIP info, not TVGOS.

I just wondered because my DTVPal DVR shows all the OTA channels,
but since the CW moved from 3.2 to 33.2 all I get for it is PSIP info, not TVGOS.

Same here, but my Dish OTA tuners channel lineup still show ky3's no longer active 3.3 subchannel, which was AccuWeather, or something like that.

My Dish OTA tuners quit showing the non-existent KYTV 3-3 channel after I rescanned the boxes for OTA channels. These are model 722K boxes with OTA modules, so YMMV.

My Dish OTA tuners quit showing the non-existent KYTV 3-3 channel after I rescanned the boxes for OTA channels. These are model 722K boxes with OTA modules, so YMMV.

Yup, my mileage varied. I have the 622 and the 211, and both refuse to drop 3.3 in the guide. If you go to 3.3, you get that horrid Windows 3.1 style dialog box #739 stating that you have lost signal.

Same here, but my Dish OTA tuners channel lineup still show ky3's no longer active 3.3 subchannel, which was AccuWeather, or something like that.
It was "KY3 24/7" weather, which was moved to 3.2.

i tend to thing that channel 8 is closed up shop for good, i think a simple retooling would not take more than a month,,, so it looks like no more Happy Days
:confused:

They could be putting something else on 3.3
What's on Channel 8 besides Happy Days?

Can anyone recommend a signal booster for OTA TV? Here is the situation:

I live in Ozark and get all OTA signals fine, except Fox. I actually can get Fox but I have to split the signal four ways and that kills it (although other channels are not impacted by the split). I run one cable to the TV, two to a network tuner and one to a Win 7 computer used exclusively as a DVR. I thought a booster might work in this situation although I am unsure how much of a boost I really need. I'm a bit baffled by all the options and wonder if anyone can recommend a specific brand/model. :confused:

http://www.amazon.com/Channel-Master-Outputs-Distribution-Amplifier/dp/B001PI09SE/ref=sr_1_3

Thanks for the recommendation. I'll give that one a shot.

I haven't heard any recent reports on KRBK's various transmitter sites.

Have they completed the synchronization process and come up to full power?

Are there any reports from viewers roughly equidistant from two transmitter sites?

I'm line of sight to the Division St antenna so, of course, they come in like gangbusters.

I haven't heard any recent reports on KRBK's various transmitter sites.

Have they completed the synchronization process and come up to full power?

Are there any reports from viewers roughly equidistant from two transmitter sites?

I'm line of sight to the Division St antenna so, of course, they come in like gangbusters.
They have not posted any updates on Facebook for quite a while now. :(
Edit:
They did post a short update on Wednesday 22 Feb here. (http://www.foxkrbk.com/station/whats-happening/Over-the-Air-Update-022212-139982133.html)

Anyone in SW MO picking up KXNW?
http://i41.tinypic.com/14t3muu.jpg

Anyone in SW MO picking up KXNW?


Nothing so far here near Branson West. I noticed you had asked if anyone else had lost their signal the other day on the Fort Smith thread. Are they installing the new transmitter?

I don't know. I never could get an engineer to reply to my email. I called KFSM, who runs KXNW, and all they would tell me is that they were off the air for a while and were working on it. No info on power upgrade, but if you're not seeing them, I suspect it's not completed and may have been pushed back.

They are back on the air, though.
34-1 IDs as "KXNW-MY" (in SD) and 34-2 as "KFSMCBS" (in HD).

They are back on the air, though.
34-1 IDs as "KXNW-MY" (in SD) and 34-2 as "KFSMCBS" (in HD).

They must still be at low power, I just scanned again with no results. If they were running the same ERP as they used to, I would have no trouble seeing them.

They haven't run at that power level in a long time.

I don't think this on-channel multicast, or whatever it's called has ever been done in practice and at full power levels.

It could be a while before they get it all to work. Or maybe it will never work all that well.



They have not posted any updates on Facebook for quite a while now. :(
Edit:
They did post a short update on Wednesday 22 Feb here. (http://www.foxkrbk.com/station/whats-happening/Over-the-Air-Update-022212-139982133.html)

I don't think this on-channel multicast, or whatever it's called has ever been done in practice and at full power levels.

It could be a while before they get it all to work. Or maybe it will never work all that well.
Its called an SFN (Single Frequency Network (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-frequency_network)) and supposedly this one is only the third in the US.

Or maybe a distributed transmission system (multiple transmitters) in FCC parlance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_transmission_system

In any case it's pushing the limits of technology. That's a wonderful thing unless you just want to watch TV and can't do it.


Its called an SFN (Single Frequency Network (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-frequency_network)) and supposedly this one is only the third in the US.

...That's a wonderful thing unless you just want to watch TV and can't do it.Reminds me of trying to watch kolr10 during severe thunderstorm season.

Reminds me of trying to watch kolr10 during severe thunderstorm season.

Or KOLR in general. That VHF signal is TRASH.

Reminds me of trying to watch kolr10 during severe thunderstorm season.

I recorded a couple of shows on the 20th (KRBK) and they were so broken up and pixelated I just deleted them as unwatchable. I am unsure what the weather was on that day... Shows recorded on the 21st are fine.

Or KOLR in general. That VHF signal is TRASH.
That depends on where you live. In my location (about 20 miles south of the tower farm) the signal is great. :cool:
Edit:
If you're using a UHF only antenna I imagine the signal might be trash...

Their weak VHF signal is the problem.

KAFT to the south of us on VHF ch 9 at 40kW works fine, except during the worst of lightning events in the region. Since kolr can't raise power, they should get off the VHF band. Hell, swap with kozl, nothing's on that channel anyway.

Their weak VHF signal is the problem.

KAFT to the south of us on VHF ch 9 at 40kW works fine, except during the worst of lightning events in the region. Since kolr can't raise power, they should get off the VHF band. Hell, swap with kozl, nothing's on that channel anyway.

..except crap. Makes me long for Equity and My31. Oh wait, KRBK is even more entertaining (if you can get them)

I recorded a couple of shows on the 20th (KRBK) and they were so broken up and pixelated I just deleted them as unwatchable. I am unsure what the weather was on that day... Shows recorded on the 21st are fine.

I'm about 13 miles west of the towers and get an excellent signal with all of them (even KOLR10) except KRBK. I'm trying to watch American Idol, and I typically make it about 30 minutes into an episode before just turning it off, because sometimes the signal pauses for 5 seconds every minute or so. If it's going to be that bad, then I'm just going to watch online or download a non-pixelated version of the show.

I'm about 13 miles west of the towers and get an excellent signal with all of them (even KOLR10) except KRBK. I'm trying to watch American Idol, and I typically make it about 30 minutes into an episode before just turning it off, because sometimes the signal pauses for 5 seconds every minute or so. If it's going to be that bad, then I'm just going to watch online or download a non-pixelated version of the show.
They still have a long way to go before KRBK is at full capacity.
See their latest status update. (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxkrbk.com%2Fstation%2Fwhats-happening%2FOver-the-Air-Update-022712-140580363.html&h=DAQGo-PnvAQEunwSoW49j1NleQLs3H32wI1j1fO5QZLpHbA)

They still have a long way to go before KRBK is at full capacity.
See their latest status update. (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foxkrbk.com%2Fstation%2Fwhats-happening%2FOver-the-Air-Update-022712-140580363.html&h=DAQGo-PnvAQEunwSoW49j1NleQLs3H32wI1j1fO5QZLpHbA)

Well, that's encouraging. I can endure short-term hardship if they're working towards a good signal in the long term.

I've gotta admire KRBK for advancing the state of the broadcast art. Bob Koplar has never been afraid to experiment.

Several decades ago when interactive TV appeared to be the coming thing he was at the forefront.

If they get this to work, maybe they will add yet another site to the south.

Would that be too far from their city of license?


Well, that's encouraging. I can endure short-term hardship if they're working towards a good signal in the long term.

They can't add another RF 49 site to the south. KNWA pretty well blocks them (on RF50) from adding any thing further south. Co-Channel spacing is a major issue with that. The only way they can expand on a single RF would be to find a new channel number that doesn't interfere with anyone to the south, and that's going to be darn near impossible.

The only real option KRBK has is to buy KWBM and I don't see that happening.

Anyone, have any contacts at the FCC? KBBL is STILL broadcasting illegally on 56. That thing should have been turned off on Dec 31.

If they get this to work, maybe they will add yet another site to the south.

Would that be too far from their city of license?
Unfortunately, going by some of their posts on Facebook I'm afraid so.
Edit:
They have said they're looking into ways to extend their signal further south, but no details.

Would that be too far from their city of license?

Yes, it would. However, folks down south of Springfield should not think they've been abandoned. Can't say more than that.

In the mean time, a lot of folks in SW MO/NWA should be able to get fox-sd on KFTA-SD, RF 50 (virtual 51-2), by pointing their antennas here:
http://maps.google.com/?q=http://transition.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/contourplot.kml?gmap=2%26appid=1144035%26call=KNWA-TV%26freq=0.0%26contour=41%26city=ROGERS%26state=AR.kml

Yes, it would. However, folks down south of Springfield should not think they've been abandoned. Can't say more than that.
Here's the latest from KRBK. (http://www.foxkrbk.com/station/whats-happening/Over-the-Air-Update-031412-142673635.html)

My audio receiver is showing that ky3 is transmitting 5.1 audio to and through directv. Anyone else? What about OTA?

My audio receiver is showing that ky3 is transmitting 5.1 audio to and through directv. Anyone else? What about OTA?

Yes, I'm seeing (hearing) that too. It's 5.1 now, both OTA and on Dish. Even their local commercials come from the center channel, with a shade of divergence to left & right. I wonder how they are achieving that, somehow I doubt they are posting in 5.1. Maybe using a Neural encoder? Anybody know? Please tell me they aren't using pseudo surround on the network audio, instead of doing a true pass-through :-)

Edit: Golf is on right now, so it's hard to say for sure, but it sounds like a Neural encoder on the network audio too. I only listened for a few minutes, but I'm hearing the same amount of divergence in the front LCR's as the local commercials, and the surrounds have some pumpy/breathy artifacts going on.

Here's info on the Neural:

http://www.daysequerra.com/ViewProduct.aspx?nProductID=79&CurTab=MODULATION%C2%A0MONITORS&CurPage=AM/FM%C2%A0HDRadio

The KY encoder bit the dust a couple weeks ago. KY's engineering department had to put a new one in as far as I know. When I have a little more time, I'll run a TSReader (yes, Trip) and get you some new readings on it.

The encoder though, suddenly died in the middle of the night, knocking them off the air for several hours. When it came back up, 3-2 wasn't there initially.

and something went bonkers the other day knocking them off the air for 15 minutes.

Mediacom to add 41 new HD channels next week

Here's the latest progress report from KRBK. (http://www.foxkrbk.com/station/whats-happening/Over-the-Air-Update-032812-144629255.html)

I recently cut the cord and ditched my Dish in favor of Hulu/Netflix + OTA signals. I live in Clever and can get great reception on every station except KOLR10 (using a Terk HDTVa Antenna (http://www.amazon.com/Terk-Amplified-High-Definition-Antenna-Reception/dp/B0007MXZB2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1333585846&sr=8-1)).

I've got the antenna pointed as close as I can to 60 degrees off north (the direction AntennaWeb.org says the KOLR10 tower is from my location), but I can't even get a weak signal unless I have the dipoles stretched all the way out while I'm standing 2' from the Terk Antenna with my arms spread while standing on one foot. Okay, that's exaggerating a little, but I can't get a signal unless very specific criteria are met.

I moved the antenna to my attic hoping the elevation would help, but still nothing. (I'm also using the powered amplifier that came with the Terk.)

Can anyone offer suggestions on getting reception for KOLR10? Anything from what direction to point the antenna to what's the best orientation for the dipoles. I'm gonna need my CBS come football season!

Edit: Oh, and I'll add that I have an FM Trap that I tried with no luck also. :/

First, you may be too far from the tower farm at Fordland to use an indoor antenna.
Second, try pointing it a little more south from north, say about 75 degrees instead of 60.

Just re-positioned it to 70 degrees and still no signal. I also made the dipoles a more vertical 'V' shape (they were fairly horizontal).

I don't think distance is a factor, I have a no-name indoor directional antenna from Radio Shack (cost about $15) that I just found out will pick up KOLR10 from my bedroom TV with perfect clarity, but not from my living room TV. I tried this antenna in the attic and it wouldn't get KOLR10 on either TV (using a 2-way splitter and about 100' of coax).

Does that sound like I just need a stronger amplifier? Maybe one like this Winegard amplifier (http://www.amazon.com/Winegard-ANWI8700-AP-Signal-Amplifier/dp/B001DFZ5EW/ref=pd_bxgy_e_text_b)?

I know you lose about 5db per 100' of coax and about 3.5db for a 2-way splitter. (If what I read on the internet is true.)

Sounds like your living room is in a dead spot.

...I've got the antenna pointed as close as I can to 60 degrees off north (the direction AntennaWeb.org says the KOLR10 tower is from my location), but I can't even get a weak signal unless I have the dipoles stretched all the way out while I'm standing 2' from the Terk Antenna with my arms spread while standing on one foot... Typically, that's what you have to do to get weak VHF channels like kolr10 indoors. Get a real outdoor antenna. The small outdoor RCA ANT751 (made by Winegard) should work well at your location.. Less than $40, including shipping. Scroll down to "GAC Wholesale" for the best price.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0052QMGRM/ref=sr_1_2_olp

If the dish is still on the roof, remove the dish antenna from the J-mount and install the antenna in its place. Reuse the dish coax. Easy.

I moved my cheap $15 no-name antenna back into the attic and angled it at 60 degrees (which is where I had it angled in the bedroom) and now I have KOLR10 in my living room just fine.

The bedroom, however, is not pulling it in now that the signal is on a splitter. The living room is amplified and the bedroom is not, though. So it looks like it's an amplifier issue.

Looks like I'll be sending the Terk back and buying another amplifier instead. Turns out more money doesn't always mean better quality.

Thanks for helping me work through this!

The antenna I suggested if installed outdoors, would provide enough signal to split to two TVs without futzing with amps; most of which just add more noise to the signal.

If you think the antenna is going to get better results than an amplifier, then that's what I'll do.

Question: Is the RCA ANT751R basically the same thing? It's $1.00 more from GAC.

Thanks again!

As far as I can tell, yes, they are the same. If you can easily put an outdoor antenna up, I would definitely go the proper antenna route, vs amp. It would be your most stable option.

Is the dish mount still on your roof?

Yeah, the Dish is still up there. I'll have to borrow an extension ladder to get up on the roof, but I went ahead and ordered the ANT751R. Hopefully that does the trick for me.

Surprised that my cheap little indoor antenna can pick up KOLR 10... just can't handle the load of splitting the signal.

Do signal combiners work? If KRBK ever gets their act together I may have to point one antenna at them and one at Fordland. I was thinking having two antennas might just create problems though as the antenna pointed at the Fox tower would still get the Fordland stations, although obviously not as well as the antenna pointed directly at Fordland.

Do signal combiners work? If KRBK ever gets their act together I may have to point one antenna at them and one at Fordland. I was thinking having two antennas might just create problems though as the antenna pointed at the Fox tower would still get the Fordland stations, although obviously not as well as the antenna pointed directly at Fordland.
It would probably depend on where you are in relation to the towers...

Do signal combiners work? If KRBK ever gets their act together I may have to point one antenna at them and one at Fordland. I was thinking having two antennas might just create problems though as the antenna pointed at the Fox tower would still get the Fordland stations, although obviously not as well as the antenna pointed directly at Fordland. It'll most likely cause more problems as there's the possibility of introduced multipath. It's always worth a try, but be ready to spend some $$ on notch filters and such. Or save yourself the time and get a rotor. Or, if necessary, an A/B switch. Combining is tricky.

It would probably depend on where you are in relation to the towers...

I'm near Ozark so Fordland is northeast and the the KRBK tower is a few degrees west of north. In other words, the antennas are about 45 degrees apart in relation to my position. I must point the antenna at KRBK to get it at all so naturally the other stations are weaker with the antenna pointed so far off optimum for Fordland. This causes problems with some tuners and some stations during storms, especially KOLR.

... This causes problems with some tuners and some stations during storms, especially KOLR.The problem during storms on kolr is "electrical impulse noise" a problem that mainly affects the VHF band, which unlike all other Springfield stations, kolr refused to vacate. Aiming directly at their tower increases signal strength, which may help mitigate the storm-related problem.... to a point.

Yeah, the Dish is still up there. I'll have to borrow an extension ladder to get up on the roof, but I went ahead and ordered the ANT751R. Hopefully that does the trick for me...Once you've removed the dish from its mounting post and replaced it with the ANT751, you should have hassle-free reception. If there are two coaxes at the dish that go to the locations of your TVs, reuse those. Put the splitter at the antenna. Don't use a splitter with more ports than will be used.

The problem during storms on kolr is "electrical impulse noise" a problem that mainly affects the VHF band, which unlike all other Springfield stations, kolr refused to vacate. Aiming directly at their tower increases signal strength, which may help mitigate the storm-related problem.... to a point.
I'm about 20 miles SSE of Fordland, and KOLR has always been (and still is) my strongest station. :confused:

Aiming directly at their tower increases signal strength, which may help mitigate the storm-related problem.... to a point.

Indeed it does. I never had a problem when I could just point at Fordland. However, if I did that I could not get KRBK.

Chuck44, it's the most difficult station to reliably receive in the outer counties of the Springfield DMA. And forget watching it when lightning's anywhere within 100 miles. A/V dropouts make it impossible to follow the programming. Specific VHF antennas have made no difference in the weather-related interference problem. Fortunately for those in NWA, there's an alternative for CBS - KFSM from Winslow and their translator station KXNW in Eureka Springs (tower at Garfield, near the MO border).