So when you get permission to flip the switch, does that mean OTA for KOLR only or is that FOX too?

Both KOLR and KSFX are ready to go OTA HD at the flip of a switch. All it will take is the proper document from the FCC.

AFIK QAM 16-1, 16-3, 62-1, and 62-2 are re-mapped to 712, 708, 702, and 709 respectively in Springfield. I hope the Mediacom HD boxes work better than my Samsung SIR-T451, because it cycles between perfect and non-existant during about a 5 minute period. I never got an HD box from Mediacom.

Let's hope that paper work gets here soon! Too bad Monday is a holiday! Hehe~!

They should, but they never will.

That's why Dolby thinks people will want to buy TVs with Dolby Volume™. The feature could easily be added to satellite and cable STBs, DVD players, etc.

Some equipment already comes with sound leveling (example: Magnavox SmartSound TVs), but it never has worked very well with the huge dynamic range of digital sound.
I spent 35 years in the broadcasting business and I can assure you there is no way to control "loudness" electronically because it has nothing to do with level. The perceived loudness has to do with the amount of sound not the level and commercials will always have more sound than dramas. Even if you run commercials 50% lower (3db) they will still "sound" louder. Any good broadcast system should act like a "piece of glass" and pass through exactly what it receives and as an old guru of mine taught me "accurately reproduce the "distortions" of the producers." In other words the producer is allowed to screw it up and the home viewer/listener is allowed to screw it up but the broadcaster is charged with "undistorted delivery" of the signal. I can also assure you that if I'm producing a commercial and my client wants it to sound louder than anything else to get attention, I can produce it in a manner that no one can reduce the loudness, except by muting it. All major networks do distribute commercials -3db in level but that has little effect on loudness.
-Leon

langlin,
We shall see.

I only posted the info on Dolby Volume because I had read about it online. See this article (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/01/07/BAGKDNDM7710.DTL), or google: dolby volume (http://www.google.com/search?q=dolby+volume&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)

Have you worked in the b'cast TV industry since the changeover to digital?

WOW! Our storms will hold things up, that is for sure. KSPR and KDEB are not even broadcasting right now.

Hope everyone is home safe and warm!

The ice shouldn't slow KOLR/KSFX from getting their alleged paperwork back from the FCC. But Monday's holiday certainly won't help.

rhoops, I don't see any new applications for KOLR or KSFX on file at the FCC web site (http://www.fcc.gov/mb/video/tvq.html).....?

WOW! Our storms will hold things up, that is for sure. KSPR and KDEB are not even broadcasting right now.

Hope everyone is home safe and warm!

All the more reason to test those new antennas this weekend!

The ice shouldn't slow KOLR/KSFX from getting their alleged paperwork back from the FCC. But Monday's holiday certainly won't help.

rhoops, I don't see any new applications for KOLR or KSFX on file at the FCC web site (http://www.fcc.gov/mb/video/tvq.html).....?

But here is the page describing KOLR's HD status:
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/asrRegistration.jsp?regKey=128978

Go down to Related Applications and click on A0534893 dated 1/11/2007 and it looks good to go to me! Flip the switch!

But here is the page describing KOLR's HD status:
http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/asrRegistration.jsp?regKey=128978

Go down to Related Applications and click on A0534893 dated 1/11/2007 and it looks good to go to me! Flip the switch!

Whoa! I just saw down at the bottom there is an AUTORIZATION dated 1/12/2007! Flip the switch!!!

langlin,
We shall see.

I only posted the info on Dolby Volume because I had read about it online. See this article (http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/01/07/BAGKDNDM7710.DTL), or google: dolby volume (http://www.google.com/search?q=dolby+volume&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a)

Have you worked in the b'cast TV industry since the changeover to digital?
arxaw, I did not mean to be critical of your posting information, I for one am glad you do and all information is useful and I hope something can be done to help. Anything that would help automatically would also be bad for any producer of programs because it would also distroy any dramatic use of audio loudness for effects in drama programs, what really would help would be if all consumers would not buy products of offensive commercials but the facts tell us that offensive commercial are very effective at selling products, go figure.

Yes I was fortunate to work with a large group that has made the complete conversion to digital broadcast. In fact we had operations that were 100% digital up to the transmitter as long ago as 10 years. And remember the actual transmit is an analog process, you can't transmit digital. I served in the engineering committees that defined the ATSC parameters and we looked at many schemes, I am really gratified at how well the system works. The old NTSC could not produce perfect pictures 70 miles away at UHF frequencies. The real delay was with the AES comming up with tuners and decoders for the home and that was caused by having to fight off congress and the computer industry efforts to make every TV set capable of displaying every possible digital signal.

Whoa! I just saw down at the bottom there is an AUTORIZATION dated 1/12/2007! Flip the switch!!!

My calendar says that 1/12/2007 was yesterday.

JUST DO IT!

anyone knows rhoops phone number - maybe he can run in and turn it on ;)

My calendar says that 1/12/2007 was yesterday.

JUST DO IT!

anyone knows rhoops phone number - maybe he can run in and turn it on ;)

LOL. :D

Okay, I'm posting here so that means I have electricity and DSL. Could be worse. But...

Many TV and radio stations are off the air. Those that are broadcasting are advising everyone to stay off the roads. So, like me, thousands are trapped in their homes. (Okay I've got yahoo radio too...) Anyway, given the cataclysmic ice storm, it is the moral responsibility of KOLR and KSFX to immediately broadcast HD so we can receive life-saving information in HD before it's too late.

rhoops... someone... help me. The walls are closing in!

LOL. :D

Okay, I'm posting here so that means I have electricity and DSL. Could be worse. But...

Many TV and radio stations are off the air. Those that are broadcasting are advising everyone to stay off the roads. So, like me, thousands are trapped in their homes. (Okay I've got yahoo radio too...) Anyway, given the cataclysmic ice storm, it is the moral responsibility of KOLR and KSFX to immediately broadcast HD so we can receive life-saving information in HD before it's too late.

rhoops... someone... help me. The walls are closing in!


I would totally agree.

And if they cant get in, they need to call Greene County Emergency Management. I am sure they will pick anyone up that needs to get "important information" (cough football cough) out on the airways

How about KOLR/KSFX 'creates' a 10-2 and 27-2 that have just graphics info up (and maybe radar) with information on closings and road conditions...and then they can say they're transmitting lifesaving information ;)

Ran across this forum a couple of weeks ago and have really enjoyed the posts, so decided to join and ask a couple of questions.
I live in the West Plains area at an elevation of 1138, approximately 65 to 68 miles from the transmitters at Fordland.
Last weekend I installed an old Channelmaster on the roof approximately 20 feet above ground and was able to get both KY3 and PBS Hd, Great :)
My first question, is based on this information, what is the opinion that I will be able to get channel 10 and 27 when they go HDTV.
Second, does anyone have a compairson of the Antennacraft antennas, I'm looking at the MXU59, vs other brands. The Antennacraft units seem to be significantly cheaper.
Or does anyone have a recommendation, I am only interested in the UHF channels.
Thanks

You should be looking at a VHF when KOLR moves back to Channel 10 when the analog cutoff hits.

Welcome to the ICY forum, molife!

KOLR-DT will be moving back to VHF in Feb. '09. Several UHF antennas can receive highband VHF (chs 7 thru 13) very well, including the popular Channel Master CM4228. I've heard the 91XG also works very well for high VHF, and it possibly works better on UHF than the 4228. It should, though. It's about double the price of the 4228. Warren Electronics and Antennas Direct are good online sources. Some UHF antennas do not work well for high VHF, so shop carefully if you're going to use the antenna past 2008. I don't have any experience w/ antennacraft antennas. Perhaps someone else will chim in with opinions.

As for reception of KOLR/KSFX, if you can easily get KOZK-DT, you will very likely get KOLR/KSFX very easily, IF they ever get on the air.
KOZK-DT is only broadcasting at 100kW ERP
KOLR-KSFX will each be transmitting close to or at 1000 kW ERP.

...Anything that would help automatically would also be bad for any producer of programs because it would also distroy any dramatic use of audio loudness for effects in drama programs.Dolby Volume will likely be a menu option that be toggled on/off. It will be interesting to see if it works as touted.

... the actual transmit is an analog process, you can't transmit digital.Very true.

arxaw, on the "ICY forum", we have had 1 and 1/2 inches of rain but the temp is still 36 here in Mountain Home and no ice, I wonder how far east the freezing nastiness reaches? Are you icy over there?

I agree the Dolby Volumn will be interesting and who knows, what is impossible today can still be done tomorrow.

Only rain so far here in Harrison. Temp is currently 37 degrees.

You've had more rain over there, langlin, but your temp is warmer. It's about 32°F here on our mtn. There is ice, but so far, only on the trees, and.... the antenna.

KNWA-DT is off the air in Fayetteville/Rogers

I have totally lost KSFX from the Dish Network feed and KOLR looks terrible, guess I won't have football today unless the power up the DT.

and KSFX is off the air as it is now. Their LP-DT is just showing a black screen and NOTHING going over the air on 27.

KOLR appears to still be broadcasting.

Sneaky, how does KOLR look off the air, on Dish it is about 16 reflections and smears.

Yeah, 10 looks just aweful on Dish... has all day (one it came back on that is)

KOLR looks so-so OTA right now.

KSFX is back on the air on both 27 and 27-1 (LOW POWER)

dish has KFSX back now

Is it KSFX or the Joplin station. It looked like they were broadcasting channel 14 from Joplin...

Strange

I'm surprised you guys even have electricity down there.

yes it is Joplin, Thank you Dish and we don't have ice down here in Mountain Home

I'm surprised you guys even have electricity down there.
are you putting down us Arkies, we've had electricity for several years now. :p

KSFX is off the air again. KOLR had to do a half-assed newscast from the newsroom tonight. 15 is off the air but available on 3-2.

I'm watching KSFX over mediacom and the Seahawks vs Bears game is in SD right now, even though it was in HD till before the kickoff.

It seams that whenever I've be watching any of the local HD channels that the commercials are when it messes up the most. It's like someone is switching commercials to SD for some reason and forget to put it back to HD after. I don't understand that since the commercials that aren't local still come though just fine over HD, with some even being in HD.

Does anyone know how that works? Is it the local stations who make the switch from SD to HD or mediacom? I'd love to know cause I'd really like to be able to call someone when it messes up. Thx

That's the fault of the local station. Cablecos have nothing to do with it. They only pass along what the station is b'casting. Garbage in = Garbage out.

Most local stations have to manually switch to SD when going to local commercials or station IDs. Springfield stations do not have local HD capability and won't have it for many many years. When the local break ends, it's up to the MCO to "flip the HD switch" when the network HD feed resumes. If they're asleep at the switch, the programming will continue on in glorious 4:3 SD.

Since HD is all new to KOLR/KSFX, give 'em some time to figure out what they're doing.

There's a reason they're switching it to SD. On KSFX-DT (The analog version is off the air), they're scrollling emergency info...they want us to see that vs. the HD stuff.

Yep, that is another reason for SD. Any time they overlay radar/weather maps, school closings or election results, you're going to see the whole picture in SD, because they don't have the capability to overlay that stuff on the HD program.

That's the main reason I want to keep the NY HD stations from DirecTV. They don't do that crap. I'm hoping they don't take the NY networks away when Spgfld locals begin soon on D*.

Yeah, I just noticed the scrolling emergency info. That makes plenty of sense; that's much more important than HD. Earlier though there wasn't any emergency info.

I do understand that there will be hiccups in getting HD smoothly here. There's always a learning curve with any new technology. At the same time I know that when you work video (I did it for years) that there's always the aspect of people getting distracted by other things and failing to do their job. I'm not trying to knock the local stations, or their employees. I think that they're doing a great job getting HD up on all the stations.

there's also something else...(I'm sure rhoops would agree on this) KOLR/KSFX are running on about half power at the studios at the moment. KOLR/KSFX are also running from their newsroom since they are appearantly running on a generator of some kind.

They may not have the power to run the HD Switching stuff either.

Yep, that is another reason for SD. Any time they overlay radar/weather maps, school closings or election results, you're going to see the whole picture in SD, because they don't have the capability to overlay that stuff on the HD program.

That's the main reason I want to keep the NY HD stations from DirecTV. They don't do that crap. I'm hoping they don't take the NY networks away when Spgfld locals begin soon on D*.

Actually we will have the capability to put the weather bug, or crawl information over the HD signal. Give us a few days to get out of crisis mode and you will all be pleasantly surprised.

I just got power back on at my house. It had been out since 11:30 PM Friday.

Actually we will have the capability to put the weather bug, or crawl information over the HD signal.

Great! Sounds like the Ozarks will have a new leader in digital quality. Just resist the urge to add sub-channels and you will stay that way.

I'm glad your power is back, rhoops. Cold and dark gets old in a hurry.

Agree with motorhead. NO SUB CHANNELS. PLEASE.

well, I just hope to get power back within the next day or so. I don't know if I can keep my house warm enough for the next couple of single digit days!! I agree with no sub channels. It defeats the purpose of going HD really.

I hope a "few days" means this week, maybe, you think?

The applications are at the FCC! I just found both KOLR and KSFX's dated TODAY!

They've also filed for STAs for both KSFX and KOLR to operate the DTs at full power until the CPs are approved by the FCC.

see for yourselves:
KSFX: http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_list.pl?Facility_id=3659

KOLR: http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_list.pl?Facility_id=28496

I don't know why they didn't do the STA right away, I've used STA's many times in fact we flew a helicopter for 8 months once on an FAA STA, maybe this is because the engineers don't do the paperwork anymore, all stations use "Lawyers" instead. It's just a sad sign of the times, I saw an ad for positions that used to be engineering in a Kansas television station and they were defined as "News room assistants".

So will they go live today?

if they turn those onto to full power it might help melt the ice!

[QUOTE=sneaky snooper]The applications are at the FCC! I just found both KOLR and KSFX's dated TODAY!

They've also filed for STAs for both KSFX and KOLR to operate the DTs at full power until the CPs are approved by the FCC.

see for yourselves:
KSFX:

KOLR:


So what does this mean?
Will it be days, weeks or months before they can go live?
Does an STA have a public comment period?

Thanks in advance for any information

STAs can make it through the FCC in a week or so. (some of them can be turned around in a day or two depending on how busy they are)

I don't know why they didn't do the STA right away,The same reason nexstar/mission didn't file the Modification of CP to correct the tower height to begin with. They're dragging out going full power as long as they can. It was no different in other towns where nexstar has built DT stations (eg Little Rock, Ft Smith, Fayetteville).

They don't want the pay the power bill.

So what is the word on going live?

Dont have internet at home and checking here at work.

thanks

soon. maybe.

rhoops,

can you give us a definition of 'soon'

thanks

rhoops,

can you give us a definition of 'soon'

thanks


Less than 24 hours. Maybe before noon Friday.

SWEET

just like Christmas Eve. Won't be able to sleep now.

Thanks for the update

I don't have time to watch much tv now, with this ice storm. Bring it on anyway and I will sure check it out.

Less than 24 hours. Maybe before noon Friday.
Awesome. I pretty much just lurk here, but thanks rhoops for keeping all of us posted...sounds like a lot of these delays have been out of your hands. I'll probably be scanning for new channels every couple hours now :cool:

KSFX's application for the CP for full power (with the antenna) was granted YESTERDAY, as was KOLR's (with the modifications)

This makes the STA more or less un-necessary (since all they have to do now is turn it on and file for a license to cover construction)

They have 6 months to get it on the air, but I think we all know that it will happen today!

The realistic first HD shows we'll be seeing OTA:

KOLR: Young & Restless (if they get on the air by noon), otherwise we're looking at prime time, otherwise Ghost Whisperer tonight. KOLR has basketball on Saturday in HD

KSFX: We won't see real HD there until Football this weekend (The 2 shows scheduled for tonight don't have any HD)

Here's a related question:

When KSPR goes full OTA HD (which will likely be summer), ABC uses 720 HD instead of 1080. Now, for the purposes of multicasting, does it not make sense that KSPR would have more bandwidth to do multicasting, eg move the CW over to 33-2? 720 can't take up nearly the bandwidth that 1080 does can it?

...When KSPR goes full OTA HD (which will likely be summer), ABC uses 720 HD instead of 1080. Now, for the purposes of multicasting, does it not make sense that KSPR would have more bandwidth to do multicasting, eg move the CW over to 33-2? 720 can't take up nearly the bandwidth that 1080 does can it?This is correct.

720p is slightly more bandwidth-efficient than 1080i. Also, newer DTV encoders have improved encoding algorithms that can multicast a bit better than the 1st-generation stuff that KYTV-DT has. And a while back (before KY3 Inc. took over KSPR), I heard that at that time, the GM of KY3 was "looking at options" to solve the bandwidth/PQ problems that th CW causes for NBC-HD.

So, I'd almost bet that the CW will get moved from 3-2 to 33-2.

I'm seeing KOLR HD now. The PSIP equipment that was in use will be moved from Fordland back to the studio.

That means your tuner won't display it as 10-1 or 27-1, but default to something else. (until the PSIP equipment is installed at the studio ) My tuner shows channel 2-1.

Young and Restless 11:30 - 12:30 PM will be in HD, but after that it's 7-10 PM for Primetime HD. Y & R doesn't have 5.1 surround, but the tonight's primetime shows do.

Now I see KSFX.

Got 'em both here, though I'm baffled as to how to see them with an E* box. It finds them both on a channel scan through my antenna, but it lumps them in as "Digital" on "2-1", which then doesn't display in the program guide after I try to add new local channels.

Thanks rhoops.

Seeing both here outside Eureka Springs @ 70 mi away, off the backside of a CM4221 antenna. If I rotate the antenna away from Fayetteville, AR and toward Fordland, I get both stations 100%.

KOLR-DT is 1080i
KSFX-DT is 720p

schief2,
They'll have to get the PSIP (channel banner/program guide & info) equipment reinstalled before you see the stations on the right channels.

See this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9516803&&#post9516803) from rhoops.

schief2,
They'll have to get the PSIP (channel banner/program guide & info) equipment reinstalled before you see the stations on the right channels.

See this post from rhoops.

Ah ha, that makes sense. After playing around with the manual setup options, it doesn't seem like there's any way to "fool" the box into displaying a digital signal that doesn't have PSIP info. I guess I'll sit tight and wait for that stuff to get installed...hopefully soon! ;)

Rhoops:

I am seeing two channels, both mapped to 2-1:

2-1 (freq 52) appears to be KOLR
2-1 (freq 28) appears to be KSFX

I am in southwest Springfield, just northeast of 160 and farm road 156, and am getting a signal strength of 94-96 peak on 2-1 (52) and a signal strength of 96-98 peak on 2-1 (28). (Using a new TiVo Series 3 HD DVR - still waiting for Mediacom to come and set me up with two cablecards - looks like it may be awhile, since they're having to do so much extra work from the ice storm).

Just thought I'd report in. Picture looks good (my setup converts all signals to 1080i, as I currently have it set).

Automated recording from the program schedules will be complicated until the channels are re-mapped back to 10-1 and 27-1. I assume this current setup (mapping to 2-1) will not be in place for very long...

Thanks so much for keeping us updated. I appreciate your information very much.

(Using a new TiVo Series 3 HD DVR - still waiting for Mediacom to come and set me up with two cablecards - looks like it may be awhile, since they're having to do so much extra work from the ice storm).


Please let me know how the TiVo / Mediacom - Cablecard issue works out. I've had a series 2 TiVo for several years, but am holding off on the Series 3 because of horror stories about the cableco's and cablecard.

If it works for you, I'm getting a Series 3.

rhoops,

Does the PSIP equipment for both channels have to be moved?

KSFX is on 2-1 and I'm getting "Tandberg Service" "Event 25" in the program guide.

KSFX on 2-1 instead of 27-1 may affect DirecTV subscribers who have older Samsung HD receivers (models 160 or 360). If the PSIP info conflicts w/ the guide info furnished by D*, the station can't be received. Workaround is to remove the local zip code for the Springfield DMA in the installation setup. Then, reboot the D* receiver and rescan for locals.

Please let me know how the TiVo / Mediacom - Cablecard issue works out. I've had a series 2 TiVo for several years, but am holding off on the Series 3 because of horror stories about the cableco's and cablecard.

If it works for you, I'm getting a Series 3.

Always glad to be a guinea pig :-)

Rhoops:

I am now seeing 10-1 and 27-1 at 95+% strength (up from the mid-50's early this a.m. and at all prior times), broadcasting from frequencies 52 and 28, respectively. Does this mean I can remove the two 2-1's from my channel guide, and rely on the pre-existing program guide info for 10-1 and 27-1 for automating recording of HDTV program material?

Thx for any info you can share...

Getting 10-1 and 27-1 OTA through a DirectTivo HR10-250 with signal strength in the mid-90s in Bolivar.

Anxious to see the football games on Sunday in HD since I missed most of them last weekend (no power). And 24 on Monday, finally in widescreen HD!

Thanks rhoops and others for all the updates.

Rhoops:

OK, now no picture at all on 10-1 or 27-1.

Recording the soap in HDTV on 2-1 right now. Audio has started to act up, causing an instant of dropped audio approximately once every 3 to 10 seconds. Don't think it is my equipment - it wasn't doing it earlier, and isn't doing it on 3-1 or 21-2.

Damn, KOLR is very loud...

Just tried, we get nothing in Battlefield w/rabbit ears. No problem getting KY3 or PBS. Either KOLR/KSFX has a weaker transmitter than KY3 & PBS or they've been shut down at this very moment.

Will someone please post when they get the correct PSIP banners installed, I'm going to wait til then to scan it in because it screws up my system this way.

In Springfield, I'm getting ~65% signal strength on KSPR right now and 100% on everything else. No audio on KSFX right now, and there are still hiccups with the KOLR audio like TJCacher described. Ok, I just lost KSFX...

Picking up KSFX on 27-1 right now, without audio. picking up KOLR10 on 52-3 with no problems.

Both 10-1 and 27-1 seem to be on the air now - frequencies do not seem to be mapped to the 2-1 channel at this time. Things seem to be where they should be.

Unfortunately, am still picking up (very short but frequent) audio dropouts on 10-1.

Picking KOLR DT up with a 92 signal and KSFX DT with a 90 signal strength here in the Harrison area.

I'm getting KOLR-DT nice & clear now in Battlefield w/rabbit ears.
I don't get anything for KSFX though.

I don't get anything for KSFX though.
KSFX has been down a lot today. I'm not getting it right now.

Gnat,
KOLR & KSFX's transmitters are roughly 10 times more powerful than KOZK's. But KOLR/KSFX's new antenna height (above average terrain) is about 300' lower than KOZK's.

OK, now I'm getting 10-1 and 27-1 showing up on the channel scan of my E* box, but they're still justing showing up as "Channel" instead of KOLR/KSFX-DT. I guess just partial/no PSIP data is being transmitted still. Unfortunately that seems to be enough to confuse it into not actually adding them in to my channel lineup, even when I play with manually adding them.

For what it's worth, signal is excellent - 85-95 in central SGF with just a Silver Sensor.

EDIT: Tried scanning again, and I can get 10-1 and 27-1 on the box OK now, though they still don't have names. KSFX has no audio, either when my antenna's hooked up to the box or direct to the TV. Video looks just fine, though.

Springfield finally gets true OTA HD.

Ok, 27.1 is dropping in and out very bad digital artifacts, and I'm not getting 10.1 at all. I'm guessing they are testing?

Great picture on CBS/FOX. Just in time for conference championships this weekend.
Thanks rhoops :)

picture looks great. and the razorbacks are in hd saturday!

Ok, I am getting KSFX on 10.1 now, and no Kolr at all... (Nixa)

KOLR and KSFX both coming in now, woohoo! I guess I don't have to upgrade from the little rabbit ears after all. Now if only KSPR would hurry up!

Only one other person has acknowledged the audio dropouts on KOLR. Are the rest of you really not hearing it? I'm starting to get paranoid that it's a problem with my system, but it only happens on KOLR. KSFX, as well as KY3 and PBS do not have this problem. It's just a fraction of a second dropout of the audio, and it seems to happen anywhere from once every 30 seconds to several times in a 10-second period.

KOLR Did it! Weather bug on the HD feed! Now, let's see KY top this!

Only one other person has acknowledged the audio dropouts on KOLR. Are the rest of you really not hearing it? I'm starting to get paranoid that it's a problem with my system, but it only happens on KOLR. KSFX, as well as KY3 and PBS do not have this problem. It's just a fraction of a second dropout of the audio, and it seems to happen anywhere from once every 30 seconds to several times in a 10-second period.

Yes, I notice audio dropouts too, they're quick and I was just attributing it to having a tiny antenna since every now and then I'll get a quick video glitch too.

That's pretty cool that they got the weather bug on the HD picture! I was just watching Scrubs, The Office, and Earl that were recorded yesterday and it was very annoying how it kept dropping in and out of HD.

In Nixa with large UHF/VHF antenna - 27.1 at 35% 10.1 nothing, both 3.1 and 21.1 are at 89% with no dropouts.

Only one other person has acknowledged the audio dropouts on KOLR. Are the rest of you really not hearing it? I'm starting to get paranoid that it's a problem with my system, but it only happens on KOLR. KSFX, as well as KY3 and PBS do not have this problem. It's just a fraction of a second dropout of the audio, and it seems to happen anywhere from once every 30 seconds to several times in a 10-second period.

Oh yeah, I hear them in the control room. I just don't know what to about it. Sometimes it's long enough to lose more than one word. I've heard it both on 5.1 and 2 channel audio, so that may help locate the problem. At least once I saw a glitch in the video at the same time.

e-mail your reports to David Smith dsmith@kolr10.com

Looking forward to Sunday and the games.

Thanks for all your efforts rhoops!

Only one other person has acknowledged the audio dropouts on KOLR. Are the rest of you really not hearing it? I'm starting to get paranoid that it's a problem with my system, but it only happens on KOLR. KSFX, as well as KY3 and PBS do not have this problem. It's just a fraction of a second dropout of the audio, and it seems to happen anywhere from once every 30 seconds to several times in a 10-second period.
You're not the only one. Mine is doing the exact same thing.

One frustrating thing is that my Panasonic LCD can't get 27-1 at all. Its signal meter reads zero. My Sanyo tube TV gets 27-1 perfectly, and even gets 33-1 with about 65% if I aim the silver sensor toward downtown Springfield.

Is my 2.5 year old Sanyo really that much better (tuning-wise anyway) than my 4 month old Panny costing twice as much?

I am still getting Fox on 10.1 and no Kolr10. Anyone else have this issue? I thought they were both up and running according to other reports here.

Only one other person has acknowledged the audio dropouts on KOLR. Are the rest of you really not hearing it? I'm starting to get paranoid that it's a problem with my system, but it only happens on KOLR. KSFX, as well as KY3 and PBS do not have this problem. It's just a fraction of a second dropout of the audio, and it seems to happen anywhere from once every 30 seconds to several times in a 10-second period.

I heard it also. It's noticeable on Letterman right now. Seems like it's worse on the 5.1 than the 2.0. Numb3rs was tough to watch so I only saw the first 10 minutes or so.

Finally, finally, finally, they done it, hooray. I haven't got to see any HD yet on either channel, but I'm getting both channels with a good signal strength. No guide info yet on either channel.

Looking forward to Sunday and the games.

Thanks for all your efforts rhoops!

Who Dat Say Dey Gonna Beat Dem Saints?

I have been a Saints fan for 35 years, I am really looking forward to HD on KSFX Sunday as well.........

And the Razorbacks are on KOLR in HD this afternoon. A great weekend for them to power up to full strength.

This is the first non multicasted HD I have seen and the difference is striking.....

Ok, anyone getting FOX here in Nixa? And what channel are they actually on right now? 27-1?

OK, now I'm getting 10-1 and 27-1 showing up on the channel scan of my E* box, but they're still justing showing up as "Channel" instead of KOLR/KSFX-DT. I guess just partial/no PSIP data is being transmitted still. Unfortunately that seems to be enough to confuse it into not actually adding them in to my channel lineup, even when I play with manually adding them.

For what it's worth, signal is excellent - 85-95 in central SGF with just a Silver Sensor.

EDIT: Tried scanning again, and I can get 10-1 and 27-1 on the box OK now, though they still don't have names. KSFX has no audio, either when my antenna's hooked up to the box or direct to the TV. Video looks just fine, though.

I have both scanned in my E* box and they transfer to the guide menu but only as "Chan". They are on the right channel, ie. 010-1 and 027-1 but without guide information so I'm guessing that the PSIP is still not correct coming from the station so that the E* box does not identify them as proper stations

You're not the only one. Mine is doing the exact same thing.

One frustrating thing is that my Panasonic LCD can't get 27-1 at all. Its signal meter reads zero. My Sanyo tube TV gets 27-1 perfectly, and even gets 33-1 with about 65% if I aim the silver sensor toward downtown Springfield.

Is my 2.5 year old Sanyo really that much better (tuning-wise anyway) than my 4 month old Panny costing twice as much?

Does seem odd. However, the ATSC tuners I've used have both been TiVo units - the first a DirecTiVo and the second a series 3 TiVo. I can certainly report that the difference between these two ATSC tuners is unbelievable. I could only get KY3 and The CW on the DirecTiVo unit, and frequently PBS (but not always).

After switching to the series 3, I was absolutely astounded to receive 3-1, 3-2, 21-1, 21-2, 21-3, 10-1, 27-1 and 33-1 with perfect clarity (this was before the switch yesterday to the powerful HD transmitter by KOLR). In both cases the units were connected to the same rooftop antenna (no-name brand) mounted on the top of my chimney.

Does seem odd. However, the ATSC tuners I've used have both been TiVo units - the first a DirecTiVo and the second a series 3 TiVo. I can certainly report that the difference between these two ATSC tuners is unbelievable. I could only get KY3 and The CW on the DirecTiVo unit, and frequently PBS (but not always).

After switching to the series 3, I was absolutely astounded to receive 3-1, 3-2, 21-1, 21-2, 21-3, 10-1, 27-1 and 33-1 with perfect clarity (this was before the switch yesterday to the powerful HD transmitter by KOLR). In both cases the units were connected to the same rooftop antenna (no-name brand) mounted on the top of my chimney.
There are a couple of differences I'm trying to sort out. First, the Sanyo (30744 I think) has 2 separate antenna inputs, one analog and one digital. The Panasonic 32LX60 has the usual 1 antenna input. Second, the Panny is in the basement with considerable more RG6 cable and a splitter involved.

At the moment, both are using a silver sensor with a 2 output preamp. One output goes to the Sanyo via about 14ft of RG6 and the other output goes to the Panasonic via probable 50 ft of cable and the splitter.

I have tried an old multiple-rod style antenna with same results. Both antennas are in the attic due to neighborhood covenants. :mad:

This afternoon, I'm going to tote the LCD upstairs and hook it up to the cable the Sanyo is on for comparison, since I can actually lift the LCD. That should tell me if the tuners perform differently.

... I have tried an old multiple-rod style antenna with same results. Both antennas are in the attic due to neighborhood covenants. Covenants, schmovenants.

HOAs/POAs cannot prevent you from installing an antenna on your own non-common property.
http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html

If you're having reception problems, get a real antenna and put it outdoors where it will work.

Oh yeah, I hear them in the control room. I just don't know what to about it.When I lived in Little Rock, a station there had occasional dropouts. They fixed it by rebooting the ATSC encoder and/or the network sat IRD.

This is the first non multicasted HD I have seen and the difference is striking.....Makes a difference, doesn't it. Multicasting really degrades picture quality on a big screen set that can resolve full HD quality. You lose that "WOW" effect.

I'm glad KOLR/KSFX are not going for quantity over quality.

When I lived in Little Rock, a station there had occasional dropouts. They fixed it by rebooting the ATSC encoder and/or the network sat IRD.

Excellent idea. I'm a firm believer in the healing power of the on/off switch. We effectively re-booted the entire building on Thursday, when they took down the two active phases of power to restore all three. The "five minute" change over took over 2 hours.

We're on our second network IRD. The first one would sometimes have green bars all over the screen.

Green macroblockies also happen from time to time on KAFT-DT (PBS) in Fayetteville, AR. They reboot to fix the problem. But I also think some of their equipment probably needs to be replaced.

Covenants, schmovenants.

HOAs/POAs cannot prevent you from installing an antenna on your own non-common property.
http://www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/otard.html

If you're having reception problems, get a real antenna and put it outdoors where it will work.
Great info, arxaw. I was not aware of this.
I'll use the rule if I have to. Thanks!

Easier to get forgiveness than to get permission.

If you just put the antenna up, you're doing nothing illegal, and all burden of proving you have done something illegal gets put on the HOA/POA. And when they see the FCC rules, they would be foolish to persue legal action, which they would not win.

Easier to get forgiveness than to get permission.

If you just put the antenna up, you're doing nothing illegal, and all burden of proving you have done something illegal gets put on the HOA/POA. And when they see the FCC rules, they would be foolish to persue legal action, which they would not win.
I plan to do what I can to avoid putting up an antenna on the roof. I'll clean up the cabling, maybe get a better amp, move/re-aim the antennas, etc first. I have seen some OTA antennas that are small and look more like sat dishes. I may investigate them.
I'd like to keep the clean look anyway. And my roof pitch is 8/12 and makes me nervous!

so what's the deal are they at full power?

10.1 has no picture, and 27.1 is at 35% power. I'm getting perfect signal from 3.1 and 21.1 do I need to turn my antenna? I'm in Nixa BTW.

THanks

so what's the deal are they at full power?

10.1 has no picture, and 27.1 is at 35% power. I'm getting perfect signal from 3.1 and 21.1 do I need to turn my antenna? I'm in Nixa BTW.

THanks

What side of Nixa? I am on the east side, and get 10.1, but not 27.1 (at least I did before i left the house this AM)

so what's the deal are they at full power?

10.1 has no picture, and 27.1 is at 35% power. I'm getting perfect signal from 3.1 and 21.1 do I need to turn my antenna? I'm in Nixa BTW.


I'm near Ozark using a 10 yr old el cheapo Radio Shack antenna in the attic and both stations come booming in at 95%. Experiencing some sound dropouts on 10-1. Have not yet seen any HD programming on 27-1.

Here is my situation at the moment. When i do a channel scan, I get 10-1. Sometimes it is Fox, sometimes it is CBS. It seems to switch back and forth every time i do a channel scan. Is anyone else experiencing this?

I am using a Panny EDTV (42PD50U) with a set of rabbit ears at the moment. I get everything in great. No 27-1 though. Fox and CBS just take turns on 10-1

I'm in Nixa 1/4 mile south of 14 off main street, the antenna is in the attic but I'm on a hill, I can see over the house's behind me (that would be to the north east).

I might go up and turn the antenna later...

Here is my situation at the moment. When i do a channel scan, I get 10-1. Sometimes it is Fox, sometimes it is CBS. It seems to switch back and forth every time i do a channel scan. Is anyone else experiencing this?

I am using a Panny EDTV (42PD50U) with a set of rabbit ears at the moment. I get everything in great. No 27-1 though. Fox and CBS just take turns on 10-1

I brought my Panny upstairs to use the same antenna cable as my Sanyo was using, (see my earlier post) and rescanned. After the scan, KSFX showed up on 10-1! And there is nothing on 27-1. Before, downstairs 10-1 came in as KOLR. Now back downstairs, KSFX is still on 10-1 after another rescan.

So, pastorjay and I both have Panasonics, a 42PD50U and a 32LX60, and both are confused. I really think my cable is okay, but the Panny is confused by something that's not quite right in the signal. I say that because the channel ID is off (something about Event 32 or 33). Could that be causing this, rhoops?

Does anyone else have 10-1 switching between KSFX and KOLR? Do you have a Panasonic? :confused:

Here in Rolla I have been able to receive 27-1with a signal between 70-75( on my 942), but I have not once received anything on 10-1.

I say that because the channel ID is off (something about Event 32 or 33). Could that be causing this, rhoops?

Does anyone else have 10-1 switching between KSFX and KOLR? Do you have a Panasonic? :confused:

The PSIP equipment won't be moved until Monday. They guy who will do it still has no heat or electricity is his home and is staying at a shelter.

Try just punching channel 52 and 28 directly into the receiver and see what you get. That works with my Samsung tuner.

In Lebanon I am getting 10-1 and 27-1 at roughly 65-70% signal with a set of Philips Rabbit Ears. Reception seems to be good, but it does have a little audio dropout on CBS.

The PSIP equipment won't be moved until Monday. They guy who will do it still has no heat or electricity is his home and is staying at a shelter.

Try just punching channel 52 and 28 directly into the receiver and see what you get. That works with my Samsung tuner.
When I punch in 28, the channel is identified as 28 and KSFX-DT is shown. If I punch in 52, the channel is identified as 10-1, and again I see KSFX-DT. No KOLR-DT available now.

BTW, what does PSIP mean?

The PSIP equipment won't be moved until Monday. They guy who will do it still has no heat or electricity is his home and is staying at a shelter.

Try just punching channel 52 and 28 directly into the receiver and see what you get. That works with my Samsung tuner.

without the proper PSIP my VIP622 will not get the Tribune guide info from E*, Thanks for finally letting us know so we can quit trying to scan in the signal, now we can wait til Monday.

motorhead, Program and System Information Protocol (PSIP).

I plan to do what I can to avoid putting up an antenna on the roof. I'll clean up the cabling, maybe get a better amp, move/re-aim the antennas, etc first. I have seen some OTA antennas that are small and look more like sat dishes. I may investigate them.
I'd like to keep the clean look anyway. And my roof pitch is 8/12 and makes me nervous!
I have a Winegaurd SquareShooter www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?main_cat=03&CAT=&PROD=SS-2000]http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?main_cat=03&CAT=&PROD=SS-2000 mounted just above the gutter on my roof, single story house. I live in northeast Ozark, near 65&CC intersection, I receive KOLR, KSFX, KY3, KOZK all at 90-100%. Here's the kicker, I have the antenna aimed at downtown Springfield and receive KSPR at 40-60%, which is good enough, no pixelazation. I spray painted the antenna and pole to match my shingles, and it is pretty much invisible at 100 yards. By the way all of my DirecTV receivers, (2 HR20s and 2 H20s) are showing KOLR and KSFX at 10-1 and 27-1 respectively. Just wish the sound was consistent on KOLR, cutting out and and louder than the other channels.

KSFX-DT audio is out of sync with video by about 10 or seconds. No such problem on KSFX-Analog.

KOLR appears to be in Sync but with letters HI in the upper right corner.

on the Directv Side, no issues with either the HR10 or HR20 in picking up the signals although I will say that they're both very patricular about the signal.

Yeah, I noticed KSFX audio was out of sync. It was fine during the evening hours though.

I wasn't surprised to see the "HI" on the upper left corner on KOLR SD. It's been there for at least a year and a half on Dish.

Yeah, I noticed KSFX audio was out of sync. It was fine during the evening hours though.

I wasn't surprised to see the "HI" on the upper left corner on KOLR SD. It's been there for at least a year and a half on Dish.
Now KSFX-DT is in sync but with video and audio dropouts. It is unwatchable, even though signal strength is 93.

KOLR-DT is perfect on my Sanyo. No more audio dropouts.

KOLR-DT has completely disappeared from the Panasonic. Keying in 28 or 52 makes it go to 27-1. 10-1 no longer appears in the channel list.

Now KSFX-DT is in sync but with video and audio dropouts. It is unwatchable, even though signal strength is 93.

KOLR-DT is perfect on my Sanyo. No more audio dropouts.

KOLR-DT has completely disappeared from the Panasonic. Keying in 28 or 52 makes it go to 27-1. 10-1 no longer appears in the channel list.

My experience is like yours with KSFX-DT, but I am unfortunately still experiencing the audio dropouts on KOLR-DT. In fact, KOLR-DT is probably experiencing worse audio dropouts (they're lasting longer, and are more frequent) than yesterday.

I should note that the dropouts on KOLR-DT seem now to correspond with flashing of the surround-channel indicators on my surround-sound receiver (this may have always been true, but I just noticed it this morning). Whenever a dropout occurs, the indicators flash off, and when the sound begins again, the indicators turn on again. To me, this seems like the surround-sound signal itself is actually dropping from the broadcast momentarily, but I really don't know too much about this stuff.

Yesterday, I followed Rhoops' advice and wrote an email to David Smith (dsmith@kolr10.com) thanking him for KOLR's exciting new HD technologies, and politely describing the problems I was having with the audio on KOLR. It was not a letter of complaint, but rather one of congratulations, along with an accurate and, hopefully, a helpful description of the problem. I included a list of my equipment, antenna, location and signal strength.

I assume that new and complex equipment of this type may be tricky to dial in and troubleshoot, and am willing to give KOLR a break while they use the time they will need to get everything right, so I thought it was important to give them feedback, but to avoid criticism.

Perhaps if others do the same, we will all help KOLR bring us the trouble-free high-quality HD we have all been waiting for just a bit sooner.

BTW, did anyone notice that the last 15 minutes or so of the third hour of the four-hour replay of the season opener for "24" on KSFX was not aired? The signal switched to some animated thing for a few seconds, then to part of a commercial, and then immediately to the opening credits of the fourth-hour episode. We were watching, and had to go on iTunes and buy the third hour and watch the last few minutes of the third-hour episode before continuing to watch the (TiVo'd) re-broadcast.

I'm sure they will fix the audio soon, but seeing "HI" on the screen is going to be a little annoying.

I'm sure they will fix the audio soon, but seeing "HI" on the screen is going to be a little annoying.That's a relief.

I thought I was seeing things! (HI)

Sweet, I guess they just fixed the audio on Fox (for now?)
That was good timing.

Does anyone here have DirecTV?

Late last year I called DirecTV and asked what I would need to do to get my local channels in HD once the local stations started broadcasting in HD. They told me I wouldn't have to do anything since I already have their HD package, and that the new channels would be available once they are available locally.

Now that the local stations are broadcasting HD I went to check my channels (I have all the channels you guys are talking about already showing in my channel list... 10-1, 27-1, etc), and there was still no signal on them.

So I called DirecTV and now they are telling me that even though the channels are being broadcast locally, I will not be able to get them on DirecTV until "later this year".

Does anyone know the true story? I've heard of the guys with cable boxes doing a "scan" to pick up the new channels, is there that sort of thing on a satellite receiver?

Since I got two different stories from two different folks at DirecTV, I'd like to get some more information and call them back to try and get the real story. Any help from you guys would be fantastic.

Thanks.

You need an antenna to provide your local HD content. DirecTV had annouced plans to implement HD LiL in this area late last year, that plan obviously changed mid-December. One of the problems is local stations wanting to charge DirecTV to pick up their signals, in several much larger markets DirecTV and/or DISH have been unable to come to terms with station owners, AFAIK, people in Green Bay can't watch their Packers in HD on the local FOX affliliate, because they are holding out against the sat providers. Pretty sad really, but no different than cable vs. local tv station battles. Buy a cheap antenna, throw it in your attic and run the off-air setup on your reciever and you will be good to go.

You need to connect an antenna and go into the Setup menu and add the ZIP Code for your area. Then, do a scan for local OTA/Antenna channels.

DirecTV will add the local HD channels to the satellite lineup later this quarter. You need the following to receive them:
A D* H20 receiver or D* HR20 DVR
A 5 LNB dish
A subscription to the local channels that D* includes with TotalChoice.

You will *NOT* have to subscribe to their HD tier in order to get the local HD channels over satellite. You just need the equipment listed above and a subscription to TotalChoice+locals.

I'm sure they will fix the audio soon, but seeing "HI" on the screen is going to be a little annoying.

You mean it's not just a friendly "HI"!

I didn't have any problems with scanning in the channels. They scan on my receiver as 10-1 Channel and 27-1 Channel, but we already know why. Both are coming in at 95% in mid Texas County. (The same as KYTV DT).

Rhoops, tell whoever fixed Fox in time for the game "thanks" for me. :)

Thanks arxaw, that's the info I was wanting to hear. Not thrilled about having to wait even longer, but at least I don't have to buy anything new that way. I really won't want to buy an antennae if I don't have to.

Do you know where I can track that information? I'd like to be able to see when "later this quarter" is, and be able to see if that information changes at some point.

Game looks really good on Fox today!!!

KY3 should be ashamed of their quality!! I wonder how KY3 will take being 3rd best in picture quality, AND sound quality in the area?

Yeah, the game looks good on Fox. And the audio seems to be ok on KOLR now. I'm glad they got everything straightened out in time for the games.

Game looks really good on Fox today!!!

KY3 should be ashamed of their quality!! I wonder how KY3 will take being 3rd best in picture quality, AND sound quality in the area?

Maybe this will force KY3 into action with their multicasting. Get KSPR HD OTA up to full power before this summer and then move CW to 33-2.

I'm in Nixa on the west side and am getting both 27-1 and 10-1 on my Dish 622 using a indoor antenna I got from best buy.

I've been using it for NBC and it works great. I get about 93% for NBC with no problems but yesterday I was having issues getting 27 and 10 to work. It was cutting out and the video would just drop and then come back.

I'll go try it right now. Hopefully it's now fixed like you said.

I'm looking forward to watching some shows in HD this week:)

Thanks arxaw, that's the info I was wanting to hear. Not thrilled about having to wait even longer, but at least I don't have to buy anything new that way. I really won't want to buy an antennae if I don't have to.

Do you know where I can track that information? I'd like to be able to see when "later this quarter" is, and be able to see if that information changes at some point.Antenna will always get you the highest quality picture. DirecTV downrezzes most of their HD channels. If you're not far from the transmitters, a small inexpensive antenna will do. I've never understood the aversion to OTA reception....

As for when D* will add Springfield locals... Just watch this forum. I, or someone else will quickly post their impending arrival.

If you want to turn off the obnoxious FOX commentators during the game:
Switch your audio setting to the alternate (maybe labeled spanish) audio, and POOF: No more announcers. Just the sound of the crowd in the stadium :-)

So can anyone explain to me why KOLR is so much louder than the other stations? With my TV on the lowest volume, it's still much louder than I want it to be.

Because the levels are set too high.
Send comments to:
David Smith:
dsmith@kolr10.com

Actually, I think KOLR's volume is better than the others. The others have their volume too low. KY3 is about 15dB lower than satellite and PBS-HD is a good 25dB lower than satellite. I have to crank my receiver to about 3/4 of the way up to get any decent volume. KOLR-HD is about right. I think the other stations just need to crank the volume up.

They are higher than average. They should crank it down to a level more in line with everything else.

On Mediacom, is anyone noticing audio dropouts frequently in KOLR 10 HD through the Motorola HD STB? I have another set that uses CableCard that doesnt have the problem.

Very Annoying!

Andy

Maybe this will force KY3 into action with their multicasting. Get KSPR HD OTA up to full power before this summer and then move CW to 33-2.
The newest HD stations (27-1,10-1) certainly look great but I'm curious to know why people seem to think they won't multicast eventually. KY3 did not start out multicasting after all. If memory serves, PBS started that crap in this area. Did I miss a statement that they (27-1,10-1) would not multicast?

I just spoke to someone @ master control/KOLR 10, they said they thought the problem was fixed last night, she mentioned the cutouts (audio) happeneing about once per minute, I told her that it was happening almost all the time.

She said they would call an engineer to try to get it fixed tonight,,their number is 417-862-6397, ask for mastrer control.

Well I tried out mine tonight and they are absolutely horrible. The channels aren't really even coming through. The video and audio just skips along. It was much better yesterday. Is anyone else having these issues.

This is my antenna that I'm using.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=6830968&type=product&productCategoryId=cat08081&id=1091101854252


I've heard something about multi pathing issues with the 622 so I'm going to hook it directly through my TV and see what happens.

It may just be them needing to work out all the kinks. I'm now complaining though. I'm just glad to have both good stations in HD.

audio is still cutting out on 10 with me. I am also noticing a bit of pixelation that I wasn't seeing with 27 earlier today. But it still looks good!

audio is still cutting out on 10 with me. I am also noticing a bit of pixelation that I wasn't seeing with 27 earlier today. But it still looks good!

I'm seeing and hearing it also on KOLR-HD. Audio drop outs and video stuttering. I think it looks better than multicasted KY3-HD and HD Lite on DirecTV (ESPN HD, NFL Sunday Ticket HD, etc.)

To report back I moved my OTA antenna...see link a few posts up for antenna directly to my Mit TV.

And both channels are doing much better. 27 I don't have any issues. Of course right now it's the simpsons and family guy not in HD but the color is so much better.

Football in on CBS and it's coming in much better. Pretty much no issues with video...at least no more than expected.

The audio was cutting out but now it's not.

I've heard the 622 has issues with locals and multi pathing so I might just buy another OTA and have one hooked to my dish and one to the TV. That way I can still record and eventually (Hopefully) they'll get it fixed.

Other problem with not using the dish is I have to use the TV speakers vs my 7.1 surround sound:(

After the football game, "Without A Trace" is very glitchy, video pausing and audio cutting out quite frequently. No problems at all when the game was on though. Just me?

... I'm curious to know why people seem to think they won't multicast eventually...rhoops said in this forum that they had no plans to multicast.

Of course, that could change in the future, but for now, enjoy the highest quality OTA HD, not ruined by the bandwidth-starving of multicasting.

...I've heard the 622 has issues with locals and multi pathing so I might just buy another OTA and have one hooked to my dish and one to the TV....When you say "buy another OTA" do you mean another OTA receiver or an OTA antenna?

The current antenna you have is not very good if you have multipath. To see if you have bad multipath, tune to an analog channel using that antenna as the source. If you see bad ghosts, you have multipath problems, and a more directional antenna may help.

A good directional indoor antenna is the Zenith/Gemstar/Philips Silver Sensor, usually found online for ~20 bucks (http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=silver+sensor+antenna&lmode=online&scoring=p). Do not buy a TERK knockoff. They are overpriced imitations that doesn't work nearly as well. Best Buy pushes TERK antennas because of their high profit margin, not high performance.

CircuitCity (http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=158311&WT.mc_n=4&WT.mc_t=U&cm_ven=COMPARISON%20SHOPPING&cm_cat=GOOGLE&cm_pla=DATAFEED-%3EPRODUCTS&cm_ite=1%20PRODUCT&cm_keycode=4) also sells the Silver Sensor under the Philips brand for about $25. You can buy locally or online, and return it locally if you don't like it.

I have a Winegaurd SquareShooter www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?main_cat=03&CAT=&PROD=SS-2000]http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?main_cat=03&CAT=&PROD=SS-2000 mounted just above the gutter on my roof, single story house. I live in northeast Ozark, near 65&CC intersection, I receive KOLR, KSFX, KY3, KOZK all at 90-100%. Here's the kicker, I have the antenna aimed at downtown Springfield and receive KSPR at 40-60%, which is good enough, no pixelazation. I spray painted the antenna and pole to match my shingles, and it is pretty much invisible at 100 yards. By the way all of my DirecTV receivers, (2 HR20s and 2 H20s) are showing KOLR and KSFX at 10-1 and 27-1 respectively. Just wish the sound was consistent on KOLR, cutting out and and louder than the other channels.
Thanks, hawk. I noticed that antenna on the web and was wondering how well it worked.
Until a few days ago, I had my silver sensor (in the attic) aimed at downtown Springfield, and got KSPR at 65% with rare problems, and KYTV and PBS at over 80% with no issues. After KOLR and KSFX get things sorted out, I expect to be able to go back to my previous aiming and get all 5 stations digitally. We'll see.
Thanks!

arxaw: Thanks for the tip. I wasn't quite sure what was best. That crazy since I paid about $5.00 more for the RCA.

I'll run by circuit city at lunch and try to pick one up.

I'm just buying another antenna so we'll be able to record one show and watch another on the same set in HD......Which is required tonight with Prison Break and Heroes on at the same time:)

Does that antenna work ok at ground level. I have it a little elevated sitting above my tv set about 5ft high off ground level?

The Silver Sensor is a good antenna for the current channels in Springfield, but indoor reception is impossible to predict. There are too many variables like home construction, insulation materials, roof type, altitude and nearby terrain.

Check CircuitCity online (http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=158311&WT.mc_n=4&WT.mc_t=U&cm_ven=COMPARISON%20SHOPPING&cm_cat=GOOGLE&cm_pla=DATAFEED-%3EPRODUCTS&cm_ite=1%20PRODUCT&cm_keycode=4) and enter your ZIP to make sure the store you're going to has the antenna in stock. If not, order it online and you can return it locally if it doesn't work well at your house.

They're out of stock so I guess I'll order it online. If the rabbit ears pair I have are picked them up fine shouldn't this.

They pick up all the stations excellently but it's just a issue with them cutting in and out.

Thx again!

Unless a station itself is having problems, "cutting in & out" is usually due to multipath issues. A more directional antenna will help eliminate dropouts due to multipath.

BTW, all the digital stations in Springfield are currently broadcasting on UHF chs 19, 26, 28, 44 and 52, which are received with the round UHF loop thingy on your current indoor antenna. The dipole "rabbit ears" are for VHF channels.

You can probably collapse the long dipole antenna elements completely, without degrading reception of the UHF digital channels at all.

To report back I moved my OTA antenna...see link a few posts up for antenna directly to my Mit TV.

And both channels are doing much better. 27 I don't have any issues. Of course right now it's the simpsons and family guy not in HD but the color is so much better.

Football in on CBS and it's coming in much better. Pretty much no issues with video...at least no more than expected.

The audio was cutting out but now it's not.

I've heard the 622 has issues with locals and multi pathing so I might just buy another OTA and have one hooked to my dish and one to the TV. That way I can still record and eventually (Hopefully) they'll get it fixed.

Other problem with not using the dish is I have to use the TV speakers vs my 7.1 surround sound:(
Perhaps I misunderstand your post, but if you run an optical cable from from your TV's digital audio output to your surround receiver, you'll get your 7.1 (converted from 5.1 by your receiver) sound from OTA HD 5.1 shows.
That's what I did yesterday for the playoff games and it was like being in the stadium. :D

Excellent...I'm sure my wife will appreciate that:)

It's becoming near impossible to find that antenna anywhere. I've tried everywhere and they are all sold out. CC is out online and locally.

Any suggestions or alternatives. It's almost like they aren't making them anymore or are bringing out a new model.

eBay seems to be my only option at this point.

Plenty of Silver Sensor options HERE (http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=silver+sensor+antenna&lmode=online&scoring=p).

Many offer it but none have it in stock which is nuts...It must be that good. Most of those sites don't have it in stock and the only one I found was fotoconnection.com and in looking up their service on the net they had really bad ratings.

I even checked amazon and only one seller has it used for around $50.

Did you try Solid Signal (http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?main_cat=03&CAT=&PROD=ZHDTV1)?

Backordered at Solid Signal.

I found some in stock at AudioOutfitter.com

Ever heard of them.

I get nervous ordering from new online places.

CircuitCity in Fayetteville, AR has them in stock.

744 East Joyce Boulevard, Fayetteville, AR 72703

I'll go into the store today and see if they'll ship it up here.

Worth a try. You might try calling the Springfield store:
417 881-1588

I went into the store on lunch and it didn't really occur to me but they said they have no antenna's period due to all the people buying them with the ice storm we had. I'm going to call the AR store and see if they'll ship it to me if I pay over the phone.

Otherwise I'll just bid on ebay.

Either way doesn't look like I'll have it for tonight:( Looks like it'll be Heroes recorded in HD and Prison Break in SD.

Thanks for all your help.

Either way doesn't look like I'll have it for tonight:( Looks like it'll be Heroes recorded in HD and Prison Break in SD.


I assume there is some reason you can't split the signal?

Would it reduce the quality of the picture? I might go pick up a splitter but will still attempt to get the silver sensor if it'll help me be able to send it through my 622 better.

It won't reduce the PQ if the signal is still strong enough to be received. But if the signal drops below a certain threshold, the "cliff effect" takes over and you lose the picture complete or it freezes or has intermittent blockiness if the signal is coming & going.

It won't reduce the PQ if the signal is still strong enough to be received. But if the signal drops below a certain threshold, the "cliff effect" takes over and you lose the picture complete or it freezes or has intermittent blockiness if the signal is coming & going.
Very true. I'm near Ozark if that helps give a picture of signal strength relative to location. I split the signal sending one to my STB and one to a HD card in my HTPC. I still see 95 signal strength on my STB after the split. If the signal strength is good I would not worry. Try it. Splitters are a couple bucks in Walmart.

tch....what antenna do you use?

Just curious.

tch....what antenna do you use?
Just curious.
Cheap ($20) Radio Shack antenna purchased ~10 years ago and mounted in the attic.

A hybrid splitter is best.
Here's one from Radio Shaft:
http://www.livingvoices.org/setup/img10.gif

Just set up my Sony SXRD for an HD antenna (tired of watching locals in crappy SD). Bought a Philips MANT510 indoor antenna with 50 db gain at Wal Mart for 30 bucks.

Set it up through my Direct TV HD Tivo reciever and I'm getting about 70-75 on KSFX and KOLR. KY3 and PBS are spotty at best. KSPR--nothing.

I'm in the Marshfield area. Anybody else out this way getting better? And how?

HI

I have what I find to be a wierd problem. My antenna seems to have a short or something. Because when I hook it to a High Gain signal amplifier from Radio Shack the light goes off on the amp and it says in the instructions this is caused by a short. I have isolated the problem to my antenna and have tried two different transformer connectors. Also the antenna is a new Radio Shack VU 90XR and it seems to be put together correctly and it is in my attic. If anyone could help it would be much appreciated.

Just set up my Sony SXRD for an HD antenna (tired of watching locals in crappy SD). Bought a Philips MANT510 indoor antenna with 50 db gain at Wal Mart for 30 bucks.

Set it up through my Direct TV HD Tivo reciever and I'm getting about 70-75 on KSFX and KOLR. KY3 and PBS are spotty at best. KSPR--nothing.

I'm in the Marshfield area. Anybody else out this way getting better? And how?Any wallyworld amp with 50dB gain is full of noise. You shouldn't need an amp that close to the transmitters anyway. Try turning off the amp and see what you get.

If that doesn't help, get a better antenna. Scroll back a few posts and read about the Silver Sensor sold under the Zenith/Gemstar/Philips brands.

HI

I have what I find to be a wierd problem. My antenna seems to have a short or something. Because when I hook it to a High Gain signal amplifier from Radio Shack the light goes off on the amp and it says in the instructions this is caused by a short. I have isolated the problem to my antenna and have tried two different transformer connectors. Also the antenna is a new Radio Shack VU 90XR and it seems to be put together correctly and it is in my attic. If anyone could help it would be much appreciated.jtdhistory,
Where are you located?

Just set up my Sony SXRD for an HD antenna (tired of watching locals in crappy SD). Bought a Philips MANT510 indoor antenna with 50 db gain at Wal Mart for 30 bucks.

Set it up through my Direct TV HD Tivo reciever and I'm getting about 70-75 on KSFX and KOLR. KY3 and PBS are spotty at best. KSPR--nothing.

I tried one of those when I couldn't find a Silver Sensor locally. My reception with it wasn't much better than yours and I'm actually in Springfield. I noticed when I got it home that mine seemed to be a previous return, which given its poor performance isn't surprising.

I eventually returned it myself and ordered a ZHDTV1 from Amazon, though they now seem to be out of stock of it. It worked much better than the MANT510.

The ZHDTV1 is the same as the Silver Sensor.

is anyone else still without power? mediacom just got me back up today, but i am still running off an extension cord from the neighbor across the street. been off here so long its been like the whole springfield HD world changed while i was in a cave

arwax

I am in Springfield, South of St Johns.

You shouldn't need an amplifier at all where you are, using the antenna you have.

Just wanted to report, I am now getting both 27 and 10 on HD with no problems. :)
I am in the West Plains area on a hill, elevation 1138 with the antenna at approximately 1158. Using an old channelmaster uhf/vhf without an amplifier.

Does anyone know when 33 in projected to go to HD?, also has anyone lost the program guide on KY3?

KY3, Inc. took over KSPR. So, you might contact them to see when they plan full power HD for KSPR-DT.

KY3, Inc. took over KSPR. So, you might contact them to see when they plan full power HD for KSPR-DT.

Can do, will let you know if I learn anything

The ZHDTV1 is the same as the Silver Sensor.

Yeah, ZHDTV1 = Zenith, PHDTV1 = Philips. Same product, otherwise.

Okay, looking for the Silver Sensor and finding more of the PHDTV3 than the PHDTV1.

Any big difference in performance?

Okay, looking for the Silver Sensor and finding more of the PHDTV3 than the PHDTV1.

Any big difference in performance?


Never mind--found a PHDTV1 online for $24.99 with a free shipping coupon. Should be here in plenty of time for the Super Bowl to watch my Bears beat the Colts!

http://store.snapstream.com/phdtv1.html

coupon code: freeship

Thanks for your help, everyone.

Hello, does anyone know when Dish Network will be broadcasting our local channels in HD?

Thank You

Not any time soon on Dish Network.

According to an email from DirecTV, they will be adding them sometime this quarter.

Regardless, your best picture quality will always be with antenna.

Okay, looking for the Silver Sensor and finding more of the PHDTV3 than the PHDTV1.

Any big difference in performance?Yes.

The PHDTV3 is a piece of plastic junk.

Well last night in Nixa I got good reception on 27 during Prison Break with the very occasional audio drop. Splitting the signal worked great. I did notice on 27 though that before they started prison break the SD signals had the audio off some...When selecting 27 the audio would hesitate before started a few seconds and then would kick in but would be off sync a little.

When they started Prison Break (Going to HD) it was fixed.

I've determined I do have multi path problems though. Once the signal was split I switched between OTA and my Dish and the Dish signal were unwatchable constatly cutting in and out...The OTA was much better.

Hopefully the Silver Sensor fixes the issue so I can record my HD OTA other than NBC. It'll be nice when the guides fill in because it's near impossible to set my 622 to record.

I'm going to try that site for the Sensor....I've been watching some on Ebay but they still don't end for a few days. I'll try this store:)

Thx for the heads up.

Update: Sensor orded...will post when it arrives and I give it a shot.

Just like to thank rhoops and all the folks at his station(s) for making the HD happen! Watched Prison Break last night and it was amazing! I think my wife was sick of me commenting on how great the picture looked! No audio drop outs.

I'm going to do a test recording of some CBS HD show (only thing I really watch on CBS is CSI: las vegas) to see how the audio drop outs are there. I had them on a recording of cold case, on sunday.

Looks like Superbowl will look sweet this year!

Quick & dirty way to tell if you probably have multipath problems:
Tune to an old analog channel. If you see ghosts (multiple images) painted on the screen, your digital tuner is also having to deal with multiple digital signals coming at it with slight delays. A directional antenna is mostly blind to these extra bounced signals coming in from multiple directions.

Fortunately, many new TVs and tuners have chipsets that ignore multipath. Some actually use it to their advantage to increase signal strength. Two such tuners are the Samsung DTB H260F and the DirecTV/OTA H20-600 receiver.

And the 622 has been known to buckle under Multipathing. I have seen ghosting on analog....I'm excited to see if it works.

Lawdawg...Prinson Break did look great last night....I'm excited to see Jericho on CBS when it starts back up in Feb.

Since I"m going to have 2 antenna's now should I take out the splitter and just feed each signal.

Or will the new antenna benefit my TV signal as well?

I'll have the stuff to do both options and I have no other use for the extra antenna besides pulling SD in on a different set.

Hey rlu929s, you sound like you are having the same situation I have. I was wondering when you are talking about OTA vs Dish do you mean using the Dish OTA Tuner vs some other OTA tuner? I only have my Dish 622 to tune the HD OTA and I am getting loss of signal every 10 seconds or so on KOLR and KSFX. Sometimes the picture just freezes for a second or the sound drops out but every few minutes I totally lose the signal even though when it comes back it shows about 93-98 strength. I don't have any problems with KY3 HD at about the same strength. Is this a temporary problem or do I need to rotate my antenna or something? Thanks.

Four: I have a MIT 65831 as my TV and it has a built in tuner. So I'm comparing having the signal going to the back of my Dish 622 (Thus showing on the guide) and going directly to my tv set which has it's own antenna input. It loads the channels.

Just to tell you what I've found. I have the exact issues with CBS and FOX on my 622. From what I've read there is most likely multi pathing issues that the 622 is known to crap out on.

I'm not sure of your setup but you might try getting a silver sensor antenna and see if it helps. If you want to wait I just ordered one and will post how it works when I get it.

I'm not sure if it's something that can be fixed at the station end.

But the stations look and sound MUCH better when viewed from my TV input. The Dish input is pretty much unwatchable. Just like you NBC works great through dish. So I guess NBC does not have these issues.

Are you seeing any guide info on you dish for 27 or 10? That will be nice when that fills in.

Check out this thread which talks about the multipath some are having with the 622.

http://www.dbstalk.com/showthread.php?t=73419

No, I'm not getting any guide info yet. I have what is supposed to be a good quality HD antennae mounting on my roof near Battlefield and Golden so I wonder how that can be the problem. I'd love to hear if the Silver Sensor helps. Think one of us should report this to the stations?

rlu929s,
I'm not sure exactly what you mean.

I know you don't want to combine the antennas. That usually doesn't work well in multipath environments, except in certain cases using tuned antennas aimed in different directions to cancel multipath.

rhoops, Did the PSIP get moved Monday as scheduled?

rlu929s, I don't know if you saw the thread listed within that link but it looks like one station in Memphis has found the problem within their broadcast equipment: "The exciter is an Axcera DT2B, and the bad firmware is version 4.25a. The one that we rolled back to is version 4.18c." This fixed the problem for the Dish 622 users. Rhoops what do you think about this?

The Dish 622 OTA tuner has long been known to have difficulty dealing with multipath. Not good in a hilly environment.

Multipath varies, depending on the frequency of the channel you're watching, where you are and what surrounds your house (hills, trees, buildings etc.). One channel may be rock solid, while others come and go.

All you can do is try different antennas, locations and directions, and/or get a newer, better OTA tuner.

Four: Maybe we should report it. I think the main guy for CBS has his email posted above. Not sure about Fox....They are the same here so maybe it won't matter. From what I read in that forum it seems to be a problem with the 622 and it doesn't seem like we'll get a fix until HD locals are added to E*

We should try contacting them though. I'll see if I can find some contact info...maybe rhoops can shed some light as well.

Ara: I was meaning should I just use the Silver Sensor and split that signal between by dish/tv or should I use my current one going to TV and Silver going to Dish...Each having their own signal?

For questions or comments about KOLR10 programming:
Email: dwasson@kolr10.com
For comments about KSFX programming
Email nancyb@ozarksfox.com

Also started a forum thread on ozarksfirst.com...the new combined site for 10 and 27. Add to it so they can see it's effecting multiple users. I've emailed both emails above as well.
http://ozarksfirst.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=47

If you have marginal reception, I would try dedicated antennas and coaxes leading to the individual TVs.

rhoops, Did the PSIP get moved Monday as scheduled?

The PSIP computers were moved and installed in the rack, but are were not fully enabled yesterday.

All the channel and electronic program guide info should fall into place when it's online.

rlu929s, I don't know if you saw the thread listed within that link but it looks like one station in Memphis has found the problem within their broadcast equipment: "The exciter is an Axcera DT2B, and the bad firmware is version 4.25a. The one that we rolled back to is version 4.18c." This fixed the problem for the Dish 622 users. Rhoops what do you think about this?

The KSFX and KOLR transmitters are virtually identical. Since the audio stuttering happens on CBS and not on Fox, we're looking for the components that are different. The CBS HD rack has a dolby encoder and the Fox rack does it a different way, so that's the likely culprit.

I don't think the problem the Dish users are seeing is due to reception. See the post by DTV Dave on 1-18-07 (who is the station engineer) at avs-vb Forum.

He says "While we were getting the transmitter manufacturer to send us the old firmware this afternoon, one of their engineers told us that they just found out today that the new firmware was causing problems with some Dish and DirecTV receivers that are identical to the ones that we are having."

This appears to be the problem for Dish Users.

Yes...and when using my dish 622 both stations are pretty much unwatchable....

rhoops, I think for the Dish users there is an additional problem as I posted. The drop outs are on both CBS and Fox and seem to be worse on Fox. rlu929s, so you agree with that when viewing through your Dish tuner?

I agree rlu929s, both stations are unwatchable right now.

I agree rlu929s, both stations are unwatchable right now.

Can't speak for KOLR, but I would say the reason KSFX is unwatchable right now is that "Maury" is on... :-)

Got a reply from kolor10

This is not the exciter we use but we'll look into it. Thanks for your inquiry.

Hopefully now they recognize that there is problem particular to Dish tuners and will address it eventually.

rlu929s, I don't know if you saw the thread listed within that link but it looks like one station in Memphis has found the problem within their broadcast equipment: "The exciter is an Axcera DT2B, and the bad firmware is version 4.25a. The one that we rolled back to is version 4.18c." This fixed the problem for the Dish 622 users. Rhoops what do you think about this?

The exciters for KSFX and KOLR are Thales Adapt IV's. When we get our "Stream probes" working we should be better able to analyse the problem.

I am getting all digital channels from my home except kolr 10. All other channels have high signal strength. I can not figure this out. is kolr temp down? Or am I missing something?

I am getting all digital channels from my home except kolr 10. All other channels have high signal strength. I can not figure this out. is kolr temp down? Or am I missing something?

One of KOLR-10's, IOT cabinets ( Power Amplifiers ) has tripped offline. We're at reduced power at the moment.

thanks rhoops you are the greatest

I'm also having serious audio problems on my dish receivers 942, 622, on Fox only. Once in while on KOLR it drops out. I have a much better signal on 27 than 10, 60% vs 75% on 27.

It is most likely the same issue we are facing at the moment. Try hooking it directly to your TV if possible and see what it does.

KY3, Inc. took over KSPR. So, you might contact them to see when they plan full power HD for KSPR-DT.

I received an email from KY3, they indicated that they were still waiting for final approval of the sale of KSPR from the FCC.
After approval it would take approximately a year to convert to HDTV.

just got power back... glad that is over

I received an email from KY3, they indicated that they were still waiting for final approval of the sale of KSPR from the FCC.
After approval it would take approximately a year to convert to HDTV.

This is not good, I was expecting to see all the Nascar racing in HD this year.

How is QAM working on mediacom? Are the Springfield OTA HD stations stable on QAM? I would like to explore the world of QAM with a new HDTV tuner card for my pc. TIA!

How is QAM working on mediacom? Are the Springfield OTA HD stations stable on QAM? I would like to explore the world of QAM with a new HDTV tuner card for my pc. TIA!

I've never been able to get a stable signal on Mediacom QAM. One minute it's fine and the next it's gone. The only thing available on cable that's not OTA is KSPR. KOZK is not on QAM cable.

just got power back... glad that is over


I know what you mean. We had a severe ice storm in '99 that was very similar to the one in Missouri last week. We were without power for over a week and the temps fell into the single digits that whole week. The water in my toilet actually froze.

On the bright side, we had another one in 2001 but did not lose power because all of the weaker trees had been trimmed back or fallen from the previous storm.

So maybe the next one won't be as bad.

Here's part of an e-mail KOLR got from our transmitter manufacturer regarding the Dish 622 receiver:
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This has been brought to our attention at only one other site.
At this point, every receiver except the Dish 622 works OK.
We, and Dish, are looking into why this happens.
I don’t yet know of a solution. If the Dish viewers can bear with this for a little while, we should have an answer soon.

I will keep you informed.

Thanks,
Bill

I can do that:) Crazy that it's only the one box causing the issues. Hopefully we'll see a fix:)

Here's part of an e-mail KOLR got from our transmitter manufacturer regarding the Dish 622 receiver:
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This has been brought to our attention at only one other site.
At this point, every receiver except the Dish 622 works OK.
We, and Dish, are looking into why this happens.
I don’t yet know of a solution. If the Dish viewers can bear with this for a little while, we should have an answer soon.

I will keep you informed.

Thanks,
Bill

I'm also having the same audio, video drop outs on my dish 942. Sony SXRD tv tuner seems fine and my dish 921 is working fine. This is on channel 27 mostly, not channel 10.

I've read on other forums that all of the Dish HD receivers have this problem.

I've read on other forums that all of the Dish HD receivers have this problem.

No problem on my 921, and no problem on channel 3 and 21.

I've never been able to get a stable signal on Mediacom QAM. One minute it's fine and the next it's gone. The only thing available on cable that's not OTA is KSPR. KOZK is not on QAM cable.

I hope mediacom will resolve that issue in due time. I have the HD tier on my main set, so at least I can receive local OTA there. The picture quality is GREAT on all mediacom HD channels. I compared the mediacom HD PQ to my Panasonic TU-DST52F HD OTA receiver and I actually like the mediacom PQ better. That was a suprise to me? Thanks for all your efforts on the getting OTA HD squared away here in Springfield! :)

The PSIP computers were moved and installed in the rack, but are were not fully enabled yesterday.

All the channel and electronic program guide info should fall into place when it's online.
I still get only Fox on channels 28 and 52 on the Panny. When is the PSIP gonna kick in?
TIA

Hey motorhead0922 I have the same problem and I think I have the same TV. Panny 32" LCD?

I'm now picking up NBC, PBS, and FOX (on several channels) at about 80% on each in Nixa.

When is the first HD content on either channel? Titan TV doesn't have anything marked as HD for FOX or CBS.

Hey motorhead0922 I have the same problem and I think I have the same TV. Panny 32" LCD?

I'm now picking up NBC, PBS, and FOX (on several channels) at about 80% on each in Nixa.

When is the first HD content on either channel? Titan TV doesn't have anything marked as HD for FOX or CBS.
Yes, I have the 32LX60. Great picture. Weird how my Sanyo isn't bothered by all this. It gets 10-1 and 27-1 just fine.

American Idol is on Fox right now in HD if you wanna take a look.

Any Pannys out there that don't have this OTA problem?

Yes.

The PHDTV3 is a piece of plastic junk.

The PHDTV3 works very well for me. DIFFERENT ANTENNAS ARE GOING TO PRODUCE DIFFERENT RESULTS IN DIFFERENT AREAS. The PDHTV3 is just an amplified silver sensor in a plastic casing. It should work as well as a silver sensor, unless you are too close to the towers for an amplified antenna. I tried 3 different antennas and this one was by far the best and gives me pretty much every channel. So don't be so quick to rag on it.

- Arthur

surfinarfy,
Glad your PHDTV3 works. For you.

For some reason my DirecTV HR-20 reciever will not find KOLR 10, but finds KSPR at 100%. I have tried resetting all of the OTA antenna settings and still the same. Any pointers?

Thanks,
Bill

Does KOLR-DT appear in your guide?
Does your HR-20 find KSFX-DT?

My D* H20 receiver (not a DVR) finds both KOLR-DT and KSFX-DT, but it takes longer for those two channels to lock in than all the other OTA locals. I'm not sure why....

For my part, I'm still experiencing the same audio dropouts on KOLR-DT (not KSFX-DT, or any other digital OTA channels). Trying to watch "Criminal Minds" last night was a painful experience, as was NCIS the night before.

The engineer at KOLR wrote back to my email, saying they were working on the problem.

I am using a TiVo series 3 with dual ATSC tuners, and am getting very strong signal strength on 10-1 and 27-1 (high 90's, occasionally 100). The symptom on KOLR-DT seems to be complete loss of the dolby digital signal for about 1 to 1.5 seconds, followed by a short burst (.5 sec or so) of sound, and then a much shorter hiccup of no sound (about .5 sec), before returning to regular sound. This is happening anywhere from once every two minutes to 3-4 times in less than 20 seconds.

... Titan TV doesn't have anything marked as HD for FOX or CBS.That usually happens if a new station hasn't notified Tribune Media that they are now HD. Tribune Media provides the online guide data for TitanTV, Zap2it (http://tvlistings5.zap2it.com/tvlistings/GridAction.do;jsessionid=D43B2CA958430AA5CD688D1366AF337F?li neupId=PC%3a72632) and DirecTV, etc.

But Zap2it (http://tvlistings5.zap2it.com/tvlistings/GridAction.do;jsessionid=D43B2CA958430AA5CD688D1366AF337F?li neupId=PC%3a72632) and DirecTV both show HD listings for KOLR & KSFX, so it may be a titantv problem, instead of a case of the stations not notifying Tribune Media about HD.

For my part, I'm still experiencing the same audio dropouts on KOLR-DT (not KSFX-DT, or any other digital OTA channels).TJCacher,
I get the same audio dropouts you're experiencing. Signal strength is 100%.

At least they're aware of the problem (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9555780&&#post9555780) and are working on it.

Yes Titan is off on their listings. They didn't say Idol was in HD and it was.

For HD contect check out.

NBC: Heroes on Monday nights, Show that comes on right after it

CBS: So far I've only seen football but I'm looking forward to seeing Jericho

Fox: The OC on Thur nights, Idol, Prison Break on Monday Nights

And of course all your sporting events:)

Prison Break looked really good on Fox Monday.


UPS says my Silver Sensor is to be delivered today. I have bowling tonight but will hook it up and see what I get once I get home and will post results.

Does KOLR-DT appear in your guide?
Does your HR-20 find KSFX-DT?

My D* H20 receiver (not a DVR) finds both KOLR-DT and KSFX-DT, but it takes longer for those two channels to lock in than all the other OTA locals. I'm not sure why....

Both channels show up in the guide. When I look at the signal strength, I get 100% on KSFX-DT, and on KOLR-DT I sometimes get close to 100% on antenna B, but nothing on antenna and then after 30 sec or so it goes to 0 and stays there. Never get any sort of picture out of it. Very strange. That is why I reset and redid the OTA setup, but still the same outcome. I am guessing that my reciever is not mapping the channels correctly. It is almost like I am trying to pull in the Fayetteville channel. I need to try and turning the antenna when I have the signal meter up on that channel.

Thanks,
Bill

TJCacher,
I get the same audio dropouts you're experiencing. Signal strength is 100%.

At least they're aware of the problem (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=9555780&&#post9555780) and are working on it.

arxaw:

Thanks for the reply.

There seems to be some posting here attributing the problems to Dish and DirecTV receivers, and I just wanted to make sure everyone is aware that some of us have other models of receivers that are also having difficulty. There may be more than one problem, since some folks seem to be reporting not being able to tune 10-1 on their equipment at all.

my Panny 50" plasma will still not pick up KY3 with it's QAM tuner. Is there a way to connect an antenna to the damn TV without having to do the re-scan every time I go from cable to OTA? I need KY3 occasionally, but the friggin inconvenience is wearing me out. Any ideas??