I used to be able to pick up PAX on 31-1, but I haven't seen it come in for a few months now. When it did come in, it would suffer from a lot of freezing anyway. I can't really say that I miss it because there is no HD content and I don't watch any of the shows they bring anyhow.

Sent this note to the WNET programming folks a few days ago, but have yet to receive a reply:

"Finally started receiving WNET-DT over the air on channel 13.1. Unfortunately, it appears to be the PBS national feed, and not the regular WNET program schedule. Are there any plans to broadcast the actual NET schedule in HD and, if so, will it be on 13.1, 13.2 or 13.3?"

Has anyone on this forum heard what WNET's plans are for moving the regular channel 13 programming over to 13.1, .2 or .3 in either full 16:9 or 4:3?

I wonder if PBS stations nationwide are carrying just the national feed in 16:9? I know from the HDTivo Forum that in Chicago, D.C. and Binghamton, the local PBS station is carried 4:3 pillar-boxed on either the .2 or .3 HD channels.

I don't have cable, so I don't know if Cablevision or TimeWarner are also showing just the national feed in 16:9.

/steve

I don't have cable, so I don't know if Cablevision or TimeWarner are also showing just the national feed in 16:9.

/steve Cablevision's PBS HD channel 713 does not mirror the SD Channel 13s programming.

Cablevision's PBS HD channel 713 does not mirror the SD Channel 13s programming.

Thanks, Dan. So I'm guessing that it's going to be a long time (if ever) before I see a "Live from Lincoln Center" in 16:9 HD! :)

/steve

Was able to receive for a brief time between the hours of 10-11 p.m. some of the Philadelphia signals from my Bergen County location. KYW-DT, WPVI-DT and WCAU-DT all came in clearly, with a little help from moving around the indoor antenna. Channels 35 and 65 also came in, but with intermittent pixellation.

I believe this was caused by a storm that rolled through the Philadelphia/southern NJ region that allowed me to pull these signals in. :eek:


...Mel :cool:

I've seen the opposite the last few days. Lately I've been losing WB & UPN the last few days as the sun goes down.

Beginning a couple of weeks' ago I no longer receive WLIW. There is zero signal on 22. In the past it has been quite strong. Is it me or has something happened to their transmission?

I had serious OTA reception problems last night. I couldn't get 5.1 or 7.1 (13.1 has been iffy for weeks). I was trying to watch MNF so it had to be between 9 and 10 pm. I am trying to determine if I have an equipment problem as until now I've had 5.1 and 7.1 rock solid. Anyone else?

I had serious OTA reception problems last night. I couldn't get 5.1 or 7.1 (13.1 has been iffy for weeks). I was trying to watch MNF so it had to be between 9 and 10 pm. I am trying to determine if I have an equipment problem as until now I've had 5.1 and 7.1 rock solid. Anyone else?

I haven't had any problems at all. Everything (except 13-1) in the 90s and 100%. I heard this morning that parts on NJ had some serious weather last night. Do you think your antenna could have moved? Two weeks ago we had the same type of storm and my antenna moved 90 degrees.

I had no problems in Monmouth County with NYC-OTA last evevning except for 13-1 which never has been reliable since they went up on ESB!

Don't know what's up... but last night I was back to normal. It must have been a one-day glitch.

Did anyone catch this last weekend? How did it look? :eek:


...Mel :cool:

I caught part of it... it looked good.

Has WLIW increased their power output? I usually have trouble pulling it in at about 60-70 signal strength but the last few days I've gotten a solid signal in the 90s.

Does any one know if any one is tranmiting from this buillding on 59TH & central park s. I can see a tall tower on the roof.I live on the west side in New York City

Please clarify.

59th Street is Central Park South!

What do you mean?

Sent this note to the WNET programming folks a few days ago, but have yet to receive a reply:

"Finally started receiving WNET-DT over the air on channel 13.1. Unfortunately, it appears to be the PBS national feed, and not the regular WNET program schedule. Are there any plans to broadcast the actual NET schedule in HD and, if so, will it be on 13.1, 13.2 or 13.3?"

Has anyone on this forum heard what WNET's plans are for moving the regular channel 13 programming over to 13.1, .2 or .3 in either full 16:9 or 4:3?

I wonder if PBS stations nationwide are carrying just the national feed in 16:9? I know from the HDTivo Forum that in Chicago, D.C. and Binghamton, the local PBS station is carried 4:3 pillar-boxed on either the .2 or .3 HD channels.

I don't have cable, so I don't know if Cablevision or TimeWarner are also showing just the national feed in 16:9.

/steve


What's even more annoying is WNET's stranglehold on WLIW-DT. Give us HD, already! :)

What's even more annoying is WNET's stranglehold on WLIW-DT. Give us HD, already! :)


Very true, we need to see the "Visions" series in all its HD glory.

I've been having this problem for several months on and off (really since the combiner was finished) . There are few HD channels on my digital cable that every few weeks will have major interference. The cable company has not been able to figure out my problem. I look in the diagnostic screens of my cable box and the frequencies of these channels are 717 Mhz and to a much lesser extent 711Mhz. I did a lookup on UHF frequencies and saw that WCBS-DT 56 is UHF frequency 723 Mhz. I also happen to live on a hill in NJ and get very strong digital off-air reception. I am wondering if since the combiner, if somehow channel 56 could be interfering with my cable once in a while. I can't find any loose connections inside. Is this possible?

Please clarify.

59th Street is Central Park South!

What do you mean?
I mean Central Park South. THE building has a Lion in neon on it. Is it transmitting any thing?? :confused:

I have a quick reception question.

I just switched back to Directv, so obviously it would be best if I could get HD locals OTA. I am in East Brunswick, NJ and am using a Silver Sensor that gets a pretty solid signal for CBS. However, nothing else comes in. If the locals are now all on the Empire State Building, shouldn't I be able to point the antenna in the same direction and get all channels?

Would an amplifier really help since I am currently limited to an indoor antenna only. Are there better indoor antennas, similar in size to the silver sensor that will work just as well?

Thanks

Steve, I am in E Brunswick also. I can't help you with your question about indoor antennae, but I have an outdoor antenna with preamp and get all the networks.

Thanks Dan. Unfortunately, I am in a condo and I think most has to do with my elevation and a nearby tree line. I am hoping MPEG4 with Directv helps, but the Jets game last night looked too good OTA.

Try the Radio Shack antenna 15-1880. This is an indoor variety antenna that gets good reviews on the Antenna Topic forum. It's quick and light and more stable than the SS.

Anyone have a contact number or e-mail address for WPIX? No HD since 1pm on the Mets game.

As of 1:30pm it's in HD but the Mets are down 6-0 :(
One other note the SD WPIX feed ad's are not running on the HD feed.

Did anyone catch this last weekend? How did it look? :eek:


...Mel :cool:

Here's some stills from game 1.
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/9349/wnbc81305009ux.th.jpg (http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wnbc81305009ux.jpg) http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/7784/wnbc81305016zs.th.jpg (http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wnbc81305016zs.jpg) http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/7448/wnbc81305026fd.th.jpg (http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wnbc81305026fd.jpg) http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/1015/wnbc81305031wh.th.jpg (http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wnbc81305031wh.jpg) http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/170/wnbc81305048at.th.jpg (http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wnbc81305048at.jpg) http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/6953/wnbc81305057os.th.jpg (http://img224.imageshack.us/my.php?image=wnbc81305057os.jpg)

What's even more annoying is WNET's stranglehold on WLIW-DT. Give us HD, already! :)

Probably no point in offering WLIW in HD if they are just going to carry the PBS national feed again and not the regular ch 21 line-up. I still haven't received a response from WNET customer support and, as a contributing member, I'm ticked off that there's not even the courtesy of a reply, even if it's only to give me bad news!

/steve

Probably no point in offering WLIW in HD if they are just going to carry the PBS national feed again and not the regular ch 21 line-up. I still haven't received a response from WNET customer support and, as a contributing member, I'm ticked off that there's not even the courtesy of a reply, even if it's only to give me bad news!

/steve

That's surprising. I b!tched a few times about the combiner and they always responded within 48-72 hours.

Yummm! Veronica Mars is in HD tonight on WWOR-DT on 9.1. I don't know how long this has been going on.

Anyone interested in starting a New York, NY - DBS thread with a summary of the local specific offerings of E* and D* for NY?

There have been a number of recent threads about MPEG4 channel speculation, RSNs, etc. that would be better served in its own thread. Plus with the upcoming D* transition, there will likely be DBS related issues to discuss that are only relevant to the NYC DMA.

Anyone interested in starting a New York, NY - DBS thread with a summary of the local specific offerings of E* and D* for NY?

There have been a number of recent threads about MPEG4 channel speculation, RSNs, etc. that would be better served in its own thread. Plus with the upcoming D* transition, there will likely be DBS related issues to discuss that are only relevant to the NYC DMA.

It's never too early for wild speculation! :D

Anyone having issues with WABC HD 7.1? I'm in Suffolk and I used to get it with a good signal. Now a get a signal, but it come up can't find 7.1. I can get 8.1 out of CT , but it's a pain to have to rotate the anntena all the time. Thanks

I was once able to receive WPIX-DT/HD OTA in NYC on 11.1, but there is no longer any video or audio when I tune to it. There is a channel tag with program title, but that's it. Any ideas?

TIA....JL

I was once able to receive WPIX-DT/HD OTA in NYC on 11.1, but there is no longer any video or audio with I tune to it. There is a channel tag with program title, but that's it. Any ideas?

TIA....JL

Try re-scanning for channels.

Anyone having issues with WABC HD 7.1? I'm in Suffolk and I used to get it with a good signal. Now a get a signal, but it come up can't find 7.1. I can get 8.1 out of CT , but it's a pain to have to rotate the anntena all the time. Thanks

I'm receiving WABC-DT just fine in central Nassau.

Me too in Commack, and I'm using a indoor RS 15-1880 antenna.

Try re-scanning for channels.

Thanks for the suggestion. I rescanned the OTA channels and it appears the WPIX problem has been corrected.

One question: I can get all the "local" OTA HD channels, but cannot get PBS (WNET/WLIW) HD. Any ideas on this issue?

TIA.....JL

Thanks for the suggestion. I rescanned the OTA channels and it appears the WPIX problem has been corrected.

Did you find one digital channel or two? I was picking up 11.1 and 11.2 this morning, both at 1080i, but they seemed to be carrying the same content.

One question: I can get all the "local" OTA HD channels, but cannot get PBS (WNET/WLIW) HD. Any ideas on this issue?

WLIW broadcasts from a different location than the other locals. If you have a directional antenna, you may not be pointing at it. I don't know where the WNET-DT antrenna is. www.antennaweb.org dosn;t seem to list it.

Did you find one digital channel or two? I was picking up 11.1 and 11.2 this morning, both at 1080i, but they seemed to be carrying the same content.



WLIW broadcasts from a different location than the other locals. If you have a directional antenna, you may not be pointing at it. I don't know where the WNET-DT antrenna is. www.antennaweb.org dosn;t seem to list it.


First, 11.1 and 11.2 broadcast the same programs; at times, depending on the program, the audio for 11.2 is in Spanish.

Second, although WNET owns WLIW, as was mentioned, the stations transmit their signals from two different locations.

WLIW's transmitting antenna is located in Plainview on Long Island.

WNET is now transmitting from the Combiner on the Empire State Building in Manhattan - 34th Street and Fifth Avenue.

Hope this helps.

Gary

WLIW's transmitting antenna is located in Plainview on Long Island.

WNET is now transmitting from the Combiner on the Empire State Building in Manhattan - 34th Street and Fifth Avenue.

Hope this helps.

Gary

Gary, thanks for the info. I understand why I cannot get WLIW, but not WNET. I can get all the major network stations because my UHF antenna is pointed directly at midtown Manhattan, but no WNET. BTW, what is the OTA channel # for WNET? Any ideas?

TIA....JL

Gary, thanks for the info. I understand why I cannot get WLIW, but not WNET. I can get all the major network stations because my UHF antenna is pointed directly at midtown Manhattan, but no WNET. BTW, what is the OTA channel # for WNET? Any ideas?

TIA....JL

WNET-DT transmits on channel 61. Unfortunately, although it's on the Combiner along with all the major stations (except WNYW-DT), it transmits with the lowest power and at the highest frequency - two killer problems separately, no less when "combined."

Also, depending upon your location, digital reception can drive you crazy with multipath anomalies.

Gary

WNET-DT transmits on channel 61. Unfortunately, although it's on the Combiner along with all the major stations (except WNYW-DT), it transmits with the lowest power and at the highest frequency - two killer problems separately, no less when "combined."

Also, depending upon your location, digital reception can drive you crazy with multipath anomalies.

Gary
That really is an understatement
I recently switched antennas from a Squareshooter to the DB4. Here are my readings.

WCBS-DT SS 92 DB4 82
WNBC-DT SS 72 DB4 92
WNYW-DT SS 86 DB4 92
WABC-DT SS 92 DB4 80
WWOR-DT SS 80 DB4 95
WPIX-DT SS 10 DB4 95
PBS-HD SS 61 DB4 10

As you can see with a different antenna in the same exact location some channels inexplicable went up while other inexplicably went down. Mind you I am less than 10 miles from the combiner.... so there is no reason why with a roof top antenna I should have any problems with any station.

I changed antennas primarily because I needed to get WPIX in HD which was the only one I was missing, in the process I lost PBS. Which was just as important to me.

DTV can be a very frustrating hobby at time... but we love it.

Thanks for the suggestion. I rescanned the OTA channels and it appears the WPIX problem has been corrected.

One question: I can get all the "local" OTA HD channels, but cannot get PBS (WNET/WLIW) HD. Any ideas on this issue?

TIA.....JL
The channel 11 issue was an easy one. They just moved their digital broadcast from channel 12 over to channel 33. From reading your post. I figured you didn't watch it very much and may have missed the changeover. For a while they were at both laocations and a channel scan would have given you two channels of 11-1 and 11-2. All with the same programing except one will go to Spanish sometimes. Channel 13 on the other hand can be a tough cookie. An outdoor antenna will work better than an indoor. Some people are able to get it with an indoor antena, but most won't. And some outdoor antennas are better than others. As mentioned here earlier the DB4 is a much better antenna than the Square Shooter. The antenna of choice for most people would be Channel Master 4228 or it's little brother the CM3021. Which are just about the same as the DB8 and DB4, but much cheaper. Depending on results, a pre-amp may be in order with any of them. CHannel 13's digital channel is 61 BTW

Thanks for all your reponses. WNET/61 is a hopeless cause for me. I live in northeast Queens and I cannot receive it OTA while I can get all the other channels transmitting from midtown. As for WLIW, my outdoor anntena in pointed in the wrong direction (west vs. east) and I have to be at least 25 miles from Plainveiw. I assume their antenna is the one I see from the LIE between exits 48-49. I can get PBS-HD via TWC, but being a native NYC/LI resident, it would be nice to see WLIW in HD. Is their anyway to add another UHF antenna and use a splitter to combine it into a signle coax connection to my HDTV? I am open to suggestions.

TIA.....JL

SRFast -

WLIW-DT no longer transmits in HD!

So, don't waste your time and energy!

The PBS-HD via TWC that you are receiving is WNET's signal, although the station is merely passing through PBS's national HD feed.

For the present, that's the best you can do other than attempting to pick-up channel 50.5, Montlair, NJ, which broadcasts in HD in the evening.

Gary

SRFast -

WLIW-DT no longer transmits in HD!

So, don't waste your time and energy!

The PBS-HD via TWC that you are receiving is WNET's signal, although the station is merely passing through PBS's national HD feed.

For the present, that's the best you can do other than attempting to pick-up channel 50.5, Montlair, NJ, which broadcasts in HD in the evening.

Gary
I can get 50.5. Are they carrying the national feed or their own selection of HD programming?

SRFast -

WLIW-DT no longer transmits in HD!

So, don't waste your time and energy!

The PBS-HD via TWC that you are receiving is WNET's signal, although the station is merely passing through PBS's national HD feed.

For the present, that's the best you can do other than attempting to pick-up channel 50.5, Montlair, NJ, which broadcasts in HD in the evening.

Gary

Gary:

Thanks again. I was hoping to get some "local" PBS programming in HD, but I guess I'm out of luck. From what I've seen, WLIW-21 is still transmitting in analog on TWC which is pretty sad.

Regards...JL

Thanks for all your reponses. WNET/61 is a hopeless cause for me. I live in northeast Queens and I cannot receive it OTA while I can get all the other channels transmitting from midtown. As for WLIW, my outdoor anntena in pointed in the wrong direction (west vs. east) and I have to be at least 25 miles from Plainveiw. I assume their antenna is the one I see from the LIE between exits 48-49. I can get PBS-HD via TWC, but being a native NYC/LI resident, it would be nice to see WLIW in HD. Is their anyway to add another UHF antenna and use a splitter to combine it into a signle coax connection to my HDTV? I am open to suggestions.

TIA.....JL
I live in Rockland County, and I am able to get 13-1 (61) I had to raise my antenna mast 5 ft to do it, but I did get it. What kind of antenna are you using? I know I read a post on here a while back of someone on LI (North shore I think) using a Silver Sensor and a pre-amp and he is able to get 13. I wish that would work for me but I am dealing with way to many hills and trees.

Gary:

Thanks again. I was hoping to get some "local" PBS programming in HD, but I guess I'm out of luck. From what I've seen, WLIW-21 is still transmitting in analog on TWC which is pretty sad.

Regards...JL

Rarely, at least for now, can a station afford local production of High Definition. I was pleasantly surprised to see that the pre-season Giant games are being produced and broadcast in HD on WNBC-DT.

Small correction concerning WLIW. WLIW-DT is transmitting not in analog but it is simulcasting the channel 21 analog signal in digital on channel 22.

Gary

is anybody in the Piscataway/New Brunswick area that can comment on what they are using to pick up NY OTA signals? From the looks of the countour maps NB lies just at the edge of city grade coverage so in theory a silver sensor should cut it, but thats all just in theory; hence why i'm asking :)

thanks!

Pats vs NYG tonight at 8:00PM on NBC-DT in HD!

is anybody in the Piscataway/New Brunswick area that can comment on what they are using to pick up NY OTA signals? From the looks of the countour maps NB lies just at the edge of city grade coverage so in theory a silver sensor should cut it, but thats all just in theory; hence why i'm asking :)

thanks!

i'd say go to a brick and mortar and get one to try.

I'm past NB in Flemington. There's a guy out my way who gets NY with a SS. Myself I have a 4228 in the attic- before the combiner I needed to use that- I haven't tried a SS since though.

Point being- it's probably I guess the silver sensot will work there but you never know for sure till you try.

HI, THURS.9/11/05 Channel 2, 5,7,9,11,13, OTA HD are off the air, anyone else having problems.

HI, THURS.9/11/05 Channel 2, 5,7,9,11,13, OTA HD are off the air, anyone else having problems.

I know last night at about 9:45 pm my ABC-DT/CBS-DT/WPIX-DT signals were getting "wiggy" on TWO different OTA antenna setups I'm running. The hiccup lasted for about 10 minutes or so....and while this was going on my DirecTV HD feeds for CBS and ABC were fine.

Go figure.... :rolleyes:

I know last night at about 9:45 pm my ABC-DT/CBS-DT/WPIX-DT signals were getting "wiggy" on TWO different OTA antenna setups I'm running. The hiccup lasted for about 10 minutes or so....and while this was going on my DirecTV HD feeds for CBS and ABC were fine.

Go figure.... :rolleyes:

This may be why:

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/space/09/08/solar.flare.ap/index.html

Anyone else having trouble with ABC ? Had no problems untill about 10 minutes ago. Signal meter reads 30, then 0, then 30 then 0.

Yeah me too, but hey I just ended up using rabbit ears, and got ch 8 (DTV ch 10) from across the sound

HI, posted on Thurs,9/11/05 that all OTA HD 2 4 5 7 9 11 13 were out, all are back except 13 HD,anyone else having a problem with 13.

HI, posted on Thurs,9/11/05 that all OTA HD 2 4 5 7 9 11 13 were out, all are back except 13 HD,anyone else having a problem with 13.

No one corrected your first post but 9/11/05 is this Sunday not yesterday!

HI, posted on Thurs,9/11/05 that all OTA HD 2 4 5 7 9 11 13 were out, all are back except 13 HD,anyone else having a problem with 13.

In answer to your question: 13 HD is on the air.

DM145, don't ever get old, forgot to flip Aug. on the calendar.

I've been having trouble at night with WPIX-DT in recent weeks. It was particularly bad last night at around 9:50PM. I lost the last 17 minutes of Supernatural.

Any ideas why this could be happening?

I've been having trouble at night with WPIX-DT in recent weeks. It was particularly bad last night at around 9:50PM. I lost the last 17 minutes of Supernatural.

Any ideas why this could be happening?

I've noticed it dropping out from time to time, but I was able to record Supernatural in its entirety. I have a roof-top UHF/VHF antenna and DirecTiVoHD.

Is FOX off the air right now or is my antenna really crapping out on me?

O-T-A in Midtown Manhattan - no reception. Not out of the ordinary for me.

DirecTV feed, which picks up WNYW-DT O-T-A , coming in lound and clear.

I'm just chalking it up to the crazy circumstances of digital transmission, mix in the high
humidity and we have no signal.

Gary

Is FOX off the air right now or is my antenna really crapping out on me?
I'm getting a signal of 77 normally it would be 93 or better

I am showing a signal level of 49 on FOX-5. I normally get it about 80. No picture at all. All my other channels are perfectly normal. Something has to be going on over at FOX.

Did anyone notice that during President Bush's address to the nation from New Orleans, analog UPN 9 and 5.2 were airing it, but on WWOR-DT 9.1, it was the regular prime time UPN widescreen programming (I forget the name of the show).


...Mel :cool:

Did anyone notice that during President Bush's address to the nation from New Orleans, analog UPN 9 and 5.2 were airing it, but on WWOR-DT 9.1, it was the regular prime time UPN widescreen programming (I forget the name of the show).


...Mel :cool:
Yes I saw that too. Yesterday analog CBS showed the regular line up while digital CBS showed the conformation hearing for most of the day commercial free.

Is anyone getting anything from NYC OTA stations right now? I'm getting nothing - no NBC, CBS, FOX, UPN, ABC, WB11 - nothing. I can't imagine anybody else is experiencing this or else there'd be a firestorm of complaining going on. I'm in trouble aren't I?

All stations fine here.

Is anyone getting anything from NYC OTA stations right now? I'm getting nothing - no NBC, CBS, FOX, UPN, ABC, WB11 - nothing. I can't imagine anybody else is experiencing this or else there'd be a firestorm of complaining going on. I'm in trouble aren't I?I'm working fine too, so yeah, it's you.

Hello, I am plannig to buy a Channel Master 4248 antenna to get OTA HD channels. I live in Brooklyn N.Y zip code 11208 and I have two questions.
1. Can I use my existing CATV cable that Cablevision installed when I Had cable (I have DirecTV now) to run the connection between the OTA Antenna and my HD ready TV? I ask this question because it will simplify my installation process in a big way.
2. I am mostly interested in getting the four big network in HD (ABC, CBS, NBC and FOX), Is the 4248 antenna good enough to pick up these channnels without an amplifier?.
Thanks for any help.

Hello, I am plannig to buy a Channel Master 4248 antenna to get OTA HD channels. I live in Brooklyn N.Y zip code 11208 and I have two questions.
1. Can I use my existing CATV cable that Cablevision installed when I Had cable (I have DirecTV now) to run the connection between the OTA Antenna and my HD ready TV? I ask this question because it will simplify my installation process in a big way.
2. I am mostly interested in getting the four big network in HD (ABC, CBS, NBC and FOX), Is the 4248 antenna good enough to pick up these channnels without an amplifier?.
Thanks for any help.


You will have good strong signals and assuming the cable is not VERY old or damaged you should have no problem.

Hello netman, your input is very appreciated. Thank you.

2. I am mostly interested in getting the four big network in HD (ABC, CBS, NBC and FOX), Is the 4248 antenna good enough to pick up these channnels without an amplifier?.

That's a nice antenna. I get good signals on all channels with that antenna and I'm quite a bit east of you on the border between Queens and Nassau. You won't need an amplifier.

Hello, Thanks Ruidh for your help also.

Sorry if this has been answered.

I live in a condo townhouse on the first floor. I have rooftop antenna reception. I bought the 42PX500U and only receive analog channels. I scanned it and no digital channels came up. I get clear reception with the broadcast channels (analog wise). Is it possible I'm not getting digital channels because my rooftop antenna from the condo doesn't have UHF? The condo was built in 1985.

I went to antennaweb.org and see that frequency assignments for each channel. Do I need to manually input "56" for CBS or "2-1" to see if I get the digital channels?

I went to Radioshack got two indoor antennas. They were useless. Can I just purchase a UHF antenna for the rooftop and "clip it on"?

Thanks in advance!

Do you receive UHF analog signals with the roof top antenna?

I don't know. Good question. I will check. I don't think so? Channels 41, 47 or 55 would be UHF, right?

25 is coming off the ESB. If you get that in clear you should be able to pull in digital signals as well.

Thanks dturturro. I highly doubt I do since when the tv scanned channels, I only got 2-13. If I don't, where can I get a inexpensive UHF outdoor antenna (where I can just clip it on)? Or I can live with my analog channels...since I refuse to pay for cable because I only watch broadcast.

I don't know. Good question. I will check. I don't think so? Channels 41, 47 or 55 would be UHF, right?

Do you already have an outdoor antenna connected to your HDTV? If you do, you should run the channel scan program of the set to detect digital channels. If you already have a UHF connection, your set should pick up the OTA HD channels. I live in northeast Queens and I can pick up the following OTA HD channels:

WCBS - 2.1
WNBC - 4.1
WNYW - 5.1/9.2 (FOX)
WABC - 7.1
WWOR - 9.1/5.2 (UPN)
WPIX - 11.1/11.2
WNET - 13.1 (Not Great Reception)
WNJN - 50.4 (HD in the evening)

Go to Radio Shack and pick an outdoor UHF antenna. Mount it high and aim it towards the Empire State Building.

Hope this helps...JL

You'd probably have to work with the townhouse about changing the antenna. Since the existing antenna is VHF only and you'd be adding a UHF only you may be able to combine them using a splitter (in reverse). That can be tricky though, perhaps someone could suggest a more appropriate solution.

The townhouse said it couldn't change the antenna. If I wanted a separate antenna, I can hook it up for my own needs (don't know if I'm that ambitious). I thought the easiest solution would add a "clip on" UHF antenna. Is Radioshack the only place that sells UHF antennas? I'm a little weary since I bought two indoor UHF antennas and they were useless.

The townhouse said it couldn't change the antenna. If I wanted a separate antenna, I can hook it up for my own needs (don't know if I'm that ambitious). I thought the easiest solution would add a "clip on" UHF antenna. Is Radioshack the only place that sells UHF antennas? I'm a little weary since I bought two indoor UHF antennas and they were useless.

There wass nothing wrong with the indoor antennas you purchased - it is your location that prevented them from working as expected. Search the Radio Shack website for "UHF Antenna" and research the ones they offer. I purchased a RS indoor "HDTV" antenna and it worked well.

Good luck...JL

dturturro, you are right. I do not receive analog UHF channels via my rooftop antenna! So that's my answer. Now, it's a matter of investing an outdoor UHF antenna for my condo. If it's easy to find one that just "clips on", then possibly. Otherwise, I'll just stick with what I have.

Thanks everybody!

hey i've seen a bunch of standard def. 16x9 plasma screens at sports bars in manhattan.

can any of you recommend any Manhattan sports bars that have true HDTV on a true HD plasma screens?
preferably without a cover charge?

(of course its not always on an HD channel.....)


-kspaz

Doesnt ESPN have one at 42nd and Broadway? Or is that CNN?
http://www.espnzone.com/newyork/

In fact, you gave me a good idea. A couple of sports shooters are visiting the studios and I'll take them over there tonight and check it out. Thanks.
George

hey i've seen a bunch of standard def. 16x9 plasma screens at sports bars in manhattan.

can any of you recommend any Manhattan sports bars that have true HDTV on a true HD plasma screens?
preferably without a cover charge?

(of course its not always on an HD channel.....)


-kspaz

I believe Scruffy Duffys (47th & 8th) is in HD. I can't be positive, but I would have noticed the bad PQ.

I think the NFL actually shuts down people that show their games in HD. They aggressivly enforce their copyright and prevented Las Vegas casinos from showing the Superbowl in HD.

I think the NFL actually shuts down people that show their games in HD. They aggressivly enforce their copyright and prevented Las Vegas casinos from showing the Superbowl in HD.

WHAT??? You gotta be kidding. What would be the purpose of that? Seems like I've been in several different Vegas suites with an HD (not EDTV) plasma screen. Granted I never watched the Super Bowl from there but many other footballs games in HD.

I think the NFL actually shuts down people that show their games in HD. They aggressivly enforce their copyright and prevented Las Vegas casinos from showing the Superbowl in HD.


If it is received OTA what legeal standing do they have to not allow it? :confused:

I live in lower manhattan and at 12AM for the past two nights it seems like the HD broadcast goes down...

I receive all the major channels, but as soon as midnight hits and David Lettermen ends, all the channels go dark, except for 5 (fox) and 5.2 (UPN?). The next morning everything is back up, which makes me think they're either doing maintenance or powering down at night (this would suck).

Anyone else getting this?

tonite about 12:30 AM i lost WCBS & WNBC digitals. still had ABC & FOX.

smile16 by "clip on" do you mean a UHF element you can add to an existing VHF antenna? i think something like that is available. try the RadioShack website. BTW how far are you from the ESB?

jim

Why are you guys losing HD signals that late at night?

HDntheCity, yeah that's what I meant. Adding the UHF antenna to existing VHF antenna on my condo building. I get all the analog channels clearly. Antennaweb.org says ESB is like 13-15 miles from where I live in Queens (Bayside). I looked at the Radio Shack website and saw the 40" Boom add on UHF antenna for $24.99. Now it's a matter of getting it installed. Looks complicated.

I think the NFL actually shuts down people that show their games in HD. They aggressivly enforce their copyright and prevented Las Vegas casinos from showing the Superbowl in HD.

Not true I know a few sports bars here in Massachusetts that show the games in HD. They either do OTA or via DirectTV NFL ST HD which costs alot around 1500.00 for up to 100 people business. Also ESPN HD is and 50.00 extra a month with the HD pak.

It seems like they're powering down at night, because I have all the digital channels back right now. Anyone hear of any maintenance going on?

tonite about 12:30 AM i lost WCBS & WNBC digitals. still had ABC & FOX.
WCBS and WNBC are on the "CBS Combiner." Fox is on the ESB, but on their own antenna. ABC is on a different tower, at 4 Times Square.

If it is received OTA what legeal standing do they have to not allow it? :confused:
Copyright law.

The programs are licensed for broadcast. That, by law, provides certain specific rights to viewers. It is not a blanket free-for-all to anyone who might received the broadcast.

HD isn't the issue; size of the screen and number of screens per public room as well as whether admission is charged or admission is free are.

The ESPN Zone is a great place to watch any sporting event that you can't get tickets to, which in New York is everything but the Nets and the Liberty. Tons of screens of all sizes (they even have TV's in the stalls), rowdy fans.... it's just like being there without the elements to contend with. However, when last I went there (and this was maybe a year ago) they didn't have a single HD screen... awful when you think that ESPN has two HD channels.

WCBS and WNBC are on the "CBS Combiner." Fox is on the ESB, but on their own antenna. ABC is on a different tower, at 4 Times Square.

ABC also moved to the combiner back in the winter.

How about the WB? Where are they broadcasting from? ESB?

With my rooftop situation looking hopeless, I am able to "borrow" two HD cable channels (FOX and UPN). I really would like the WB. Does the cable company scramble the HD local channels?

All 6 major nets plus WNET broadcast from the ESB. Fox has it's own antenna and the rest come off of the CBS combiner.

thanks dturturro.

And, fwiw, up in northern Westchester I can get WNYW (Fox), WCBS and WABC quite reliably, in that order of signal strength. I get WWOR-DT now and then, but it's often prone to signal break-up. WPIX comes in once in a blue moon -- or some other unusual atmospheric condition -- and WNET and WNBC are blank, i.e., nothing but blips of yellow on my signal meter.

All 6 major nets plus WNET broadcast from the ESB. Fox has it's own antenna and the rest come off of the CBS combiner.

Have they been doing any maintenance lately after 12AM that would explain the shut downs I've been experiencing?

ABC also moved to the combiner back in the winter.
WABC-TV is on ESB. I think WABC-DT is still on 4 Times Square. I'll have to check. I also heard that WNET-DT is on ESB at low power, but that wasn't questioned in the earlier post.

WABC-TV is on ESB. I think WABC-DT is still on 4 Times Square. I'll have to check. I also heard that WNET-DT is on ESB at low power, but that wasn't questioned in the earlier post.


Yes, WABC-DT is on the ESB Combiner as its primary transmission point with its previous facility now used as backup on the Conde Nast Building.

And, WNET-DT is on the ESB Combiner, unfortunately at the lowest power transmitted along with its highest channel allocation - both making for very difficult reception.

Gary

Without getting into RF wave propagation, is there a reason why WB & UPN tend to be harder to tune? IIRC both broadcast high power and are in the middle of the spectrum. Could the 33 & 38 being broadcast from CT be interfering with NY 33 & 38?

Can anybody tell me how come I'm getting WCBS-DT only if I select channel 56?

Same problem here. The stations PSID is wrong. Does anyone know who to email at WCBS to inform them?

I havn't been watching latenite TV for a while. But after reading some posts I got curious. First thing I saw David Letterman is now in HD long overdue. Second I did see that the CBS channel mapping is not working so it displays ch56. And third I witnessed the shutdown. After David Letterman about 3 seconds into the next program I lost signal and CBS was dead. Also NBC and FOX. Also WPIX (WB) I havn't been able to lock in at all lately but the last time I did was about a month ago and the channel map didn't worl for that station either. It displayed 33.1. Maybe they're getting the systems to work well for 2006?

GPCOPY

The Tonight Show is not in HD on WNBC-DT others outside NYC say the show is in HD tonight. Does anyone have a WNBC contact e-mail address or phone # we can call?

. After David Letterman about 3 seconds into the next program I lost signal and CBS was dead. Also NBC and FOX. Also WPIX (WB) I havn't been able to lock in at all lately but the last time I did was about a month ago and the channel map didn't worl for that station either. It displayed 33.1. Maybe they're getting the systems to work well for 2006?

GPCOPY

Does this mean the cable TV and dish co's still lose WCBS-DT also when they goof the air from the ESB?

I know when the ESB work was done last year we would lose WCBS-DT at 12am via Cablevision.

And, fwiw, up in northern Westchester I can get WNYW (Fox), WCBS and WABC quite reliably, in that order of signal strength. I get WWOR-DT now and then, but it's often prone to signal break-up. WPIX comes in once in a blue moon -- or some other unusual atmospheric condition -- and WNET and WNBC are blank, i.e., nothing but blips of yellow on my signal meter.What are you using antenna wise there how is it mounted? I'm in Croton on Hudson and hoping to pull all the locals, just haven't got set up yet. I'm planning on a UHF antenna in the attic.

I'm using the Channel Master 4228, the eight-bay one, mounted to my chimney with both an amp and pre-amp. While I'm in a generally high elevation area, my own house is one of the lower ones on the street and I think the Blue Mountain hills are a factor.

And, fwiw, up in northern Westchester I can get WNYW (Fox), WCBS and WABC quite reliably, in that order of signal strength. I get WWOR-DT now and then, but it's often prone to signal break-up. WPIX comes in once in a blue moon -- or some other unusual atmospheric condition -- and WNET and WNBC are blank, i.e., nothing but blips of yellow on my signal meter.

Same results in lower Fairfield, CT. Wonder if it has anything to do with transmission pattern - see http://www.2150.com/broadcast/default.asp which displays something called "Transmitter Antenna". This looks like a transmission pattern.

Why are you guys losing HD signals that late at night?

HDntheCity, yeah that's what I meant. Adding the UHF antenna to existing VHF antenna on my condo building. I get all the analog channels clearly. Antennaweb.org says ESB is like 13-15 miles from where I live in Queens (Bayside). I looked at the Radio Shack website and saw the 40" Boom add on UHF antenna for $24.99. Now it's a matter of getting it installed. Looks complicated.

sorry i took so long to reply-busy at work.

at 15 miles out an indoor antenna would probably work(like the Silver Sensor) but if you got a UHF element at that price it should be even better. good luck with it.

jim

I havn't been watching latenite TV for a while. But after reading some posts I got curious. First thing I saw David Letterman is now in HD long overdue. Second I did see that the CBS channel mapping is not working so it displays ch56. And third I witnessed the shutdown. After David Letterman about 3 seconds into the next program I lost signal and CBS was dead. Also NBC and FOX. Also WPIX (WB) I havn't been able to lock in at all lately but the last time I did was about a month ago and the channel map didn't worl for that station either. It displayed 33.1. Maybe they're getting the systems to work well for 2006?

GPCOPY
I too haven't been watching broadcast tv recently but I checked my channels recently and noticed I had lost CBS and ABC. Thinking the recent winds may have moved my antenna I went up and verified it's direction in accordance with antennaweb.org and it was right on. I even added a preamp and was able to pickup NBC for awhile during the day for the first time, but not at night and still no CBS or ABC. CBS used to have a booming signal for me.

A recan on my Dish 921 now shows CBS on 61 where I can pick it up. The channel maping is wreaking havoc with what used to be a stable 921.

Same results in lower Fairfield, CT. Wonder if it has anything to do with transmission pattern - see http://www.2150.com/broadcast/default.asp which displays something called "Transmitter Antenna". This looks like a transmission pattern.

I checked out this site and noticed that the direction given for the antenna is a few degrees different than that for antennaweb.org. I realize that antennaweb gives it in magnetic north. Is one more accurate than the other?

They alsoshow NBC 28 at around 10 kw. Why so low?

I've noticed ever since Thursday (maybe longer), that the New York NBC station has been broadcasting in Dolby 3.0 (left, center, right) instead of 5.1. Anyone else having this problem?

I checked out this site and noticed that the direction given for the antenna is a few degrees different than that for antennaweb.org. I realize that antennaweb gives it in magnetic north. Is one more accurate than the other?

They alsoshow NBC 28 at around 10 kw. Why so low?

Since this is from an FCC database my assumption is that it is more accurate.

I just loaded the page and it shows 200.2 kw trransmission power. The page was just updated today so perhaps your read was based upon an error in the earlier version.

The information is terribly old.

I'm amazed it takes so long for updates.

WNBC-DT moved from the G.E. Building to the Combiner on the Empire State
at the beginning of this year.

Gary

Yeah, but WNBC-DT is still much lower power than WCBS-DT, WNYW-DT and WABC-DT.

That's true, but it also is transmitting on Channel 28 - less power is need the lower the channel allocation!

Gary

Well, I still can't get it and those three others are pretty strong and reliable now.

Was something wrong with my reception, or was CSI Miami not up to its usual high quality broadcasting last night? It looked a little mushy to me.

I finally have all my ota stations. CBS NBC ABC FOX WOR WB. I manually deleted all the stations, did a hard reboot of my dish 921 rescanned, and there they are. CBS has been remapped to 00201 from 56 and I have a solid NBC for the first time.

I've noticed ever since Thursday (maybe longer), that the New York NBC station has been broadcasting in Dolby 3.0 (left, center, right) instead of 5.1. Anyone else having this problem?

i wouldn't call it a problem per se just the default audio sig. when the network airs a show in 5.1 WNBC-DT usually passes it along unless there's a tech problem.

jim

Question for you OTA folks…

When the Yankees game is on UPN 9, is it in HD?

TIA

As Bush's former spokesperson said back in 2001 about whether the president supported a policy of fuel conservation, "that's a big No."

Question for you OTA folks…

When the Yankees game is on UPN 9, is it in HD?

TIA
No, 4:3 probably 480P but if you can get the CT stations you can get a 14:9 picture on ch 59 though not quite sure if 1080i

Thanks,

What a bummer, Friday nights UPN and Saturday’s FOX Yankees games, two of the biggest games of the season, will not be broadcast in HD.

No, 4:3 probably 480P but if you can get the CT stations you can get a 14:9 picture on ch 59 though not quite sure if 1080i


not 1080i, unfort.

I live in Manhattan and I lost the DTV Signals of Thirteen WNET Ch 13 two days ago. Did someone know what's going on?

I also lost Channels 50.1 and 50.4. The curious thing is that Channels 50.2 and 50. 3 are working fine...

All these stations are PBS...somenthing happening with them?

Could someone else report the same?


Thanks

I live in Manhattan also and all 3 PBS subchannels come in fine.

Suggest that you phone the engineering department of WNET to ascertain whether or not they are transmitting rather than rely upon hearsay.

can someone please explain-

I thought about 50 pages ago that it was said that to be on the combiner everone would need to have the same power to balance it. It was back when everyone was getting ready to comnine and everyone was asking if the other channels would be using the same power as CBS.

It now appears evident that isn't the case. WNET is certainly a pile less then everyone else.

did I miss something? Or did I just not understand the original explanation? any explanation in laymans terms is appreciated....

I live in Manhattan and I lost the DTV Signals of Thirteen WNET Ch 13 two days ago. Did someone know what's going on?

I also lost Channels 50.1 and 50.4. The curious thing is that Channels 50.2 and 50. 3 are working fine...

All these stations are PBS...somenthing happening with them?

Could someone else report the same?


Thanks

The signal is there (WNET) but I can't receive it either. It started a couple of days ago. I believe the problem is with the PSIP. WCBS had a similar issue last week but it has since been corrected.

I'm assuming that they were working on the antennas last night again. After Leno there was no signal on 4-1 for Conan (was really hoping to see Jessica Alba in HD)....though I DID forget to try D*'s NBC-E HD feed. Also noticed that 11-1 and 9-1 were off the air as well at the exact same time.

And, for me in Central NJ, on Wednesday night (Soundstage),9pm Channel 50-5 out of Montclair had audio....but no video. ANd 50-1:50-4 had no pic/video as well.

PBS strangeness eh? Just like the old days..... ;)

Thirteen WNET Ch 13: DTV 13.1, 13.2 and 13.3 are back this morning.

I guess like Jaypb that they have been working in the combiner after Midnight in the last week.

If anybody's interested Saturday Night Live starts its new season broadcast in HD

what is the resolution of the channel 5 HD during sporting events? i'd swear it looks like a widescreen 480

You are correct. They won't go to HD until the playoffs.

You all are NOT gonna believe this. I have a SIR-T150 and a crappy Silver Sensor. I just made the SIRT150 rescan and I am now getting 4-1,2,3,4,5 6-1,2,3 (WPVI Phila) and 10-1,2 (WCAU Phila). Anybody else?

You all are NOT gonna believe this. I have a SIR-T150 and a crappy Silver Sensor. I just made the SIRT150 rescan and I am now getting 4-1,2,3,4,5 6-1,2,3 (WPVI Phila) and 10-1,2 (WCAU Phila). Anybody else?

Could be some skipping or trop going on...weather has a tendency to pull in signals from hundreds of miles away, especially if fog or other atmospheric conditions exist.

I pulled in many Philadelphia OTA signals during a fierce thunderstorm one Friday night in August, but sadly, the reception was short lived. :(


...Mel :cool:

Could be some skipping or trop going on...weather has a tendency to pull in signals from hundreds of miles away, especially if fog or other atmospheric conditions exist.

I pulled in many Philadelphia OTA signals during a fierce thunderstorm one Friday night in August, but sadly, the reception was short lived. :(


...Mel :cool:
Looks like a strong period for tropospheric ducting:

http://home.cogeco.ca/~dxinfo/tropo.html

But things should fade by 10/8 (sorry for the bad news)

Looks like a strong period for tropospheric ducting:

http://home.cogeco.ca/~dxinfo/tropo.html

But things should fade by 10/8 (sorry for the bad news)


Interestingly enough, yesterday I was able to pick up NUMEROUS OTA signals on my HD receiver.....but the only one strong enough to actually come in was WLIW (Digital 22) out of LI...which I never was able to get...other than other TROPO nights way back when. I was only checking up until about 9pm so I don't know if things got better later last night.

I will say that AM Radio wise....where I live in Central NJ for some @$&$ reason the last few days (going back to the middle of last week) I'm getting some NASTY tropo in the sense that 1050 AM (out of NYC--ESPN Radio) is being overloaded when I drive into work in the morning from 1050KCHUM out of TORONTO!!! Pretty clear reception of KCHUM as well.

Go figure..... :eek:

A quick question for New Yorkers' who receive the fox and abc east feeds from D*tv.
I am hearing impaired and D*tv is not providing closed captions for those channels. I was wondering if you are receiving closed captions from those channels over the air?
Thanks for your help in tracking down the problem. Is it D*tv or the stations.

A quick question for New Yorkers' who receive the fox and abc east feeds from D*tv.
I am hearing impaired and D*tv is not providing closed captions for those channels. I was wondering if you are receiving closed captions from those channels over the air?
Thanks for your help in tracking down the problem. Is it D*tv or the stations.

Just got home and saw your message. Both the ABC and the Fox station here in New York City are providing digital closed captioning over-the-air.

I can get analogue closed captioning via DirecTV, not digital!

Hope this helps.


Gary

Gary, thank you so much for responding. last night the digital feed from d*tv of
abc New York finally had the captions, but the fox digital feed being sent by d*v did not .
I receive in Phila over the air ,the local channels provided hi def channels and closed captions . I think that the problem is with D*tv`.
They of course blame the network. I have called the FCC to try to correct this problem
Thanks again,

Marie[FONT=Arial Black]

Does anyone have Suscom digital cable in NY with the HDTV package? I was watching the MLB playoffs on ESPN and I just had the service installed yesterday. I kept getting some pixelation on the ESPN HD channel. The other HD channels seem fine. Tech support doesn't have any reported problems and they are sending someone out here Saturday morning to check. Hopefully it will fix itself by then....

As I was watching more channels, they'd be fine, then all of a sudden start to pixel up and sometimes freeze. I called support again and they resent me a signal, which fixed it sometimes, but not others. Now some of the HD channels don't come in at all. It's like having sattelite again! They have a tech coming out Saturday to check. This sucks... :mad:

My antenna is mounted on my roof (attached to my chimney) and I'm using a high gain amp that has both an outdoor mast mounted amp (pre-amp?) and an indoor amp that is connected to a power source. I live about 15 miles from the signal source (the Empire State Building) and am receiving my OTA channels via an HD TiVo's internal tuner. Without the amp, I am unable to get a signal, but with the amp, my signal readings are typically in the 90's. HOwever, about every five minutes or so the signal fluctuates and sometimes goes below 40 for about a half second. The signal fluctuates on some channels (e.g., ABC) much more than others. I should add that there are many trees in the direction that the antenna is facing, all about 60 feet from the antenna. Also, I'm about 10 miles from a very busy airport (Newark International). Does anyone have any thoughts?

Does anybody else have a problem getting the front channels on Cold Case? I just get the ancillary music no speaking parts

mw390,

The sound was supposed to be 5.1 as it became later in the show. Since they were sending out 2.0, only the music and sound effects could be heard. I waited until the end of the first commercial break to see if they corrected it. They didn't so I watched a previously recorded movie. I did watch their movie at 9 p.m. and noticed that they had switched to 5.1 by then.

Cynthia

mw390,

The sound was supposed to be 5.1 as it became later in the show. Since they were sending out 2.0, only the music and sound effects could be heard. I waited until the end of the first commercial break to see if they corrected it. They didn't so I watched a previously recorded movie. I did watch their movie at 9 p.m. and noticed that they had switched to 5.1 by then.

Cynthia


I switched back to HD about 1/2 way thru and they had gotten their act together. BTW all the commercials came out fine (Of course!)

For some reason I can not pick up WNBC-DT, but I can get 2.1, 5.1, 11.1, etc no problem. It says error can not recieve broadcast. I am about 18miles away in NJ from the broadcast station. Anyone else having problems with this station?

For some reason I can not pick up WNBC-DT, but I can get 2.1, 5.1, 11.1, etc no problem. It says error can not recieve broadcast. I am about 18miles away in NJ from the broadcast station. Anyone else having problems with this station?


Nope - it's working for me

I don't have surround sound but, had the same problem on both DirecTV NY CBS feed and over the air.

Does anybody else have a problem getting the front channels on Cold Case? I just get the ancillary music no speaking parts

I don't have surround sound but, had the same problem on both DirecTV NY CBS feed and over the air.

I had the same problem on Cablevision and OTA. I think it was a problem at the station because the full sound came back later in the program on both.

For some reason I can not pick up WNBC-DT, but I can get 2.1, 5.1, 11.1, etc no problem. It says error can not recieve broadcast. I am about 18miles away in NJ from the broadcast station. Anyone else having problems with this station?
I was not able to get WNBC until recently. May be the change of season is affecting reception. I am in Edison, NJ.

I was not able to get WNBC until recently. May be the change of season is affecting reception. I am in Edison, NJ.

I seem to be getting it now but the reception is really low and I can barely get a lock, most of the time it just says no broadcasting, which I know is wrong. I think it is just my small radio shack double bow-tie antenna. I just ordered a larger antenna from Antennas Direct and am going to mount it in the attic instead of my room, hopefully that resolves the problem. Thanks for the info.

Had awful reception on Sunday -- almost no signal on all OTAs. Could it have been the wind?

All of the OTA's have been coming with no problems for me except WNET. Saturday, 13 starting going crazy with frequent breakups and dropouts and it's still acting as such. This is the worst it's been since they first went up. I had a couple of months of perfect reception and now this. What gives?

Last night the reception from the ESB went in and out. I got 8 or 9 bars on my Samsung on Ch. 5 or 2 or 4 or 7 or 11, but from time to time it went down instantly to no bars and the picture would shatter for a moment. On the other hand, I received New Jersey PBS on Channel 50 with about 7 bars and it was perfect all night.

Wind? Multipath? Trees?

My CM 3022 antenna is in the attic in Northeast Queens.

My reception of WNET-DT is at the 3-4 bar level. 4 bars = picture. 3 bars = blank screen. Do I need an amplifier? Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Mel

Since we're talking about WNET-DT, are they still running at half power or have they ramped up to full yet?

It certainly looks as though they have not done so yet.

Are we certain that they will ramp up any time soon? Where does that info come from?

FWIW somewhere in this post, WNET went live at half power to test there equipment, but nobody ever posted that the power went to full.

All of the stations on the Combiner have been at full power for many, many months.

The problem with WNET-DT is that it transmits on Channel 61, the highest allocation in the area and at only 12.kW. To put this in perspective, WCBS-DT, also having a high position on the dial, Channel 56, transmits at 349 kw.

Put a high channel location combined it with very low power and you have what so many of us have, great difficulty in receiving a quality signal from WNET-DT.

Gary

All of the stations on the Combiner have been at full power for many, many months.

The problem with WNET-DT is that it transmits on Channel 61, the highest allocation in the area and at only 12.kW. To put this in perspective, WCBS-DT, also having a high position on the dial, Channel 56, transmits at 349 kw.
<snip>
GaryAre you saying that 12 kW is FULL POWER for WNET-DT and that we will never get more?

Mel

Last night [Sunday] the reception from the ESB went in and out. I got 8 or 9 bars on my Samsung on Ch. 5 or 2 or 4 or 7 or 11, but from time to time it went down instantly to no bars and the picture would shatter for a moment. On the other hand, I received New Jersey PBS on Channel 50 with about 7 bars and it was perfect all night.

Wind? Multipath? Trees?

My CM 3022 antenna is in the attic in Northeast Queens.

My reception of WNET-DT is at the 3-4 bar level. 4 bars = picture. 3 bars = blank screen. Do I need an amplifier? Any suggestions?

Thanks,

MelResponding to my own post, last night, Monday, reception was great. No breakups and WNET-DT at about 5-6 bars with no major disruption and only an occasional small blank rectangle in the picture.

Anybody know why it can vary so?

Mel

12.4kW is the power currently authorized by the FCC. I don't know if the station has asked the commission for more power. Also, PBS stations are having big financial problems.

When the switchover to digital is completed, WNET-DT will give up analog 13 and digital 61 and will transmit on digital 13.

I know that all of that doesn't answer reception problems.

Gary

Responding to my own post, last night, Monday, reception was great. No breakups and WNET-DT at about 5-6 bars with no major disruption and only an occasional small blank rectangle in the picture.

Anybody know why it can vary so?

Mel


It was the same for me as well. It seems to be back to normal. I'm thinking the heavy winds we had over the weekend were probably shaking the antenna and causing problems with the already weak WNET-DT signal? :confused:

Apologies if this is redundant, but does anyone know what the story is with NBC? This is the only local I can't get a lock on from Westchester. Thx

It was the same for me as well. It seems to be back to normal. I'm thinking the heavy winds we had over the weekend were probably shaking the antenna and causing problems with the already weak WNET-DT signal? :confused:Do you mean shaking the combiner on the ESB? Is it so easily shakeable? It looked like pretty sturdy stuff when the pictures of it went out during installation.

Any comments from an engineer?

My own antenna is now in the attic so it wasn't shaking.

Mel

Do you mean shaking the combiner on the ESB? Is it so easily shakeable? It looked like pretty sturdy stuff when the pictures of it went out during installation.

Any comments from an engineer?

My own antenna is now in the attic so it wasn't shaking.

Mel

No, I meant my antenna. Sorry for the confusion. :)

Apologies if this is redundant, but does anyone know what the story is with NBC? This is the only local I can't get a lock on from Westchester. Thx

I can't get it either. I think I may know why I cannot get it. There is low power analog in West Haven broadcasting on channel 28. I think this analog kills my chances of getting WNBC. I get CBS, Fox, UPN and ABC fine from the combiner (on a good night CBS and Fox are at 95%). I can't get WPIX but that is probably due to my proximity to WFSB CBS out of Hartford broadcasting on channel 33.

There is low power analog in West Haven broadcasting on channel 28. I think this analog kills my chances of getting WNBC. A tree might have to fall on that tower or something ;) Geezz I can't believe that something like that would be allowed to have such an impact on a major metropolitan area...

WNET-DT is only broadcasting with enough power to cover Newark, thier city of license. That's all they have to do. (I'm sure they will accept donations and memberships from areas outside Newark, though!) ;)

I don't know what the problem is with WNBC-DT I've got a full power station on channel 28 in Scranton, PA that I think kills it for me. (That's why there's cable.)

WNET-DT is only broadcasting with enough power to cover Newark, thier city of license. That's all they have to do. (I'm sure they will accept donations and memberships from areas outside Newark, though!) ;)

I don't know what the problem is with WNBC-DT I've got a full power station on channel 28 in Scranton, PA that I think kills it for me. (That's why there's cable.)

Concerning WNET-DT only broadcasting with enough power to cover Newark.

That was the case when the station transmitted from its building on W. 33rd Street using a direction pattern aimed specifically at Newark with only 2.66kW.

The station is now using WCBS's omnidirectional pattern. So, whatever power it is sending to Newark it is sending to all other points on the compass. If the station were only interested in serving Newark, it would never have gone to the big expense of moving to the Empire State Building.

Yes, WNET-DT, as all PBS stations are having financial difficulties. Additionally, the station bought WLIW - another drain on resources. Also, as I mentioned before, the FCC will force WNET-DT to change its digital frequency - more money to be expended.

Bottom, line, I wish the station would increase its power to help me receive it with greater consistancy. I doubt if it will happen before the changeover.

Gary

Picky picky picky. All right, WNET-DT is only using enough power to reach Newark. It does go out in all directions from the ESB. It probably goes past Newark, but it does not reach me. As you intimated, they will increase power only when forced to do so. Multipath (ghosts) eat up a lot of threshold margin, so receiving them in NYC is not always assured with low power. I've used one of the "new" Radio Shack DTV tuners in Manhattan, and it gets most of the NY stations, even with the antenna pointed away from the ESB, but not 13/61. Not enough power to overcome multipath, I assume. It also seems like 13 may be moving back to channel 13 after the transition. And then there's the Freedom Tower.

WNET was loaned an additional frequency to transmit on during the transition. They will have to give one back. Unfortunately, their loaner channel ended up outside the "core" and couldn't be used (not that they would choose to stay on 61 if they could avoid it.) WCBS had a good chance that both of their channels would be outside the core, and had to build an omnidirectional, multichannel antenna to cover any eventuality. Time will tell where they end up, but I'd bet against them staying on channel 2.

It looks like I will still have to use a directional V/U antenna if I want to get HDTV OTA.

WNET-DT is only broadcasting with enough power to cover Newark, thier city of license. That's all they have to do. (I'm sure they will accept donations and memberships from areas outside Newark, though!) ;)Newark is about 11 miles from the Empire State Building. Here in NE Queens we are almost exactly the same distance away, exept in almost exactly the opposite direction. The signal here is quite marginal even with a CM 3022, and if I understand the set-up it must be marginal also in Newark. So they cannot be serving their "required" service area very well at the current level of power.

Am I missing something here? Anyone here in Newark?

All other NYC stations come in very strong as does the NJ PBS station at 51 remapped to 50. That station is about 24 miles away.

Mel

I'm using the Channel Master 4228, the eight-bay one, mounted to my chimney with both an amp and pre-amp. While I'm in a generally high elevation area, my own house is one of the lower ones on the street and I think the Blue Mountain hills are a factor.

forgive me if this is stupid and you already know i'm wrong- but perhaps you are overpowering the signal with 2 amps?

I'm at around 50 miles from ESB and just need the pre-amp. I'm about 40 miles from philly and can get by for all those without any amp at all with my 4228 in the attic. Since you are presumably closer maybe you need to use less amp. (Of course the hills there might be getting in your way...)

Does anyone know if or when we'll actually see the NYC channel 13 program schedule in 16:9, full-screen HD? The PBS national feed we're getting instead leaves a lot to be desired, IMHO.

I've e-mailed WNET support several times, and still haven't received a reply, in spite of the fact that I'm a contributing member!

/steve

I live hardly a stone's throw from the ESB, alright maybe half a mile away in the FDR direction and I can't get any channel except CBS-DT when my indoor antenna is in a specific position. I tried picking up analog signals and I got pretty much every terrestial station on analog but I can't get anything on digital. I got a Channel Master pre-amp and it does nothing to help my digital reception here. Does anyone think I need an attenuator more than I need an amp?

I am using the directional antenna that came with my ATI-HDTV wonder and the HDTV-Wonder card. Is this just a bad card for getting reception?

I live in the East 60s near 2nd Avenue. I'm on the 22nd floor of a high rise with living room windows facing west.

You mention that you can only get WCBS-DT when your antenna is in a specific position.

Well, digital UHF will drive you crazy in Manhattan - you have to walk your antenna around the room and try, if possible, to find one location that works for many stations. You are dealing with multipath reception - not direct signals from the ESB.

I use a Silver Sensor, very directional, and I'm very pleased with it. You may want to try one.

Gary

Just curious if anyone else had intermittent pixelation/breakups during the UT-UA game yesterday afternoon? I watched it on one TV and DVR'd it on another...with BOTH being hooked up to an OTA antenna...and BOTH had breakups at the same time. It was raining yesterday...and it was a bit breezy...so I'm not sure if it was my setup or the weather....or the transmission itself.

I didn't feel like tuning to D*'s feed of WCBS-DT so I couldn't tell if that had issues as well. And I haven't posted a thread or looked for one over on the HD programming forum yet.

Thanks!

sxr, you may be OVER driving your receiver. If you're getting analog signals without ghosts then you aren't suffering from multi path. If you're using a preamp you may want to take it out and see if that clears things up. If it does but you're still missing channels you may need an attenuator to cut down on the signal.

Was futzing around with my rotor tonight on one of my HD receivers/antennas and was actually able to pick up WNET-DT (13-1) this evening after 11 pm (Tornado program).

Signal strength was up near 70-80% on my D* receiver, but I will say with all the rain lately I've been having problems with steady reception on normally stable channels (i.e "CSI-MIAMI" last night) as well as other CBS shows over the last few weeks at times with all the rain/wind.

Haven't tried my other OTA setup to see if I can pick up 13-1 on that one yet.

Croton on Hudson, NY...

Must admit I was a little sceptical at first, but I'm now able to pull all the locals in HD from a DB4 in my attic. This was recommended to me as its the highest gain solution, and combined with a channel master 7777 gave me full strengtha across all the local stations with no dropouts. The RCA antenna I originally purchased from Home Depot just didn't cut it. I would highly recommend the DB4.

Croton on Hudson, NY...

Must admit I was a little sceptical at first, but I'm now able to pull all the locals in HD from a DB4 in my attic. This was recommended to me as its the highest gain solution, and combined with a channel master 7777 gave me full strengtha across all the local stations with no dropouts. The RCA antenna I originally purchased from Home Depot just didn't cut it. I would highly recommend the DB4.
What is the DB4? As you can see in my ID, I live right near you and all I can get with a roof-mounted CM 4228 and same amp'/pre-amp are 2-1, 5-1 and 7-1 -- and, lately, reception has been very spotty. :(

The DB4 was recommended to me by solid signal. It's a new product by Terrestrial Digital, has 2 bays and the bowties. Took a a little monkeying around to get it at the right angle and orientation in the attic but once positioned all the locals are locked in 90+% (CBS, NBC, FOX, ABC, WB, UPN) and PBS hovers around 30-50% but thats no biggie.

Manufacturer's website
http://www.antennasdirect.com/

Has anyone been experiencing any problems with CBS lately. Just for the past few days it has been jumping around all over the place.

Odd. Here in Croton, NY, I have 70-90 % for all the channels, save for NJN, which comes in 65%. Otherwise, I've eliminated all analog channels save for 13 and 25. I'm already fully digital. :D

Of Course, like any good radio amateur, I know any receiver is secondary to the antenna, so much of the credit goes to a Radio Shack Fringe antenna on the roof, and pointed down river toward NYC. I'm 42 miles north, but don't need a rotor or preamp-the antenna's big but so what ? I feed three sets, and the other two, normal NTSC 480i sets, get as perfect a picture as you can get at that resolution. I cannot watch most cable (CATV) feeds any more, as they are horrible.

As much metal, as high up, as you can get it, is a basic rule. If you have an apartment, then things are a lot tougher......but if you have a private home, then it's sorta silly to spend 4k on a TV, and complain about $250 worth of antenna, mounts and coax cable.

I can trip a ham radio repeater on the ESB with 10 watts from here, so I clearly have a line of sight from my position on the ridge.

13.1 etc were the last to arrive, but they are also rock solid. Only really bad weather will cause drop outs.

After having real HDTV in the house for a year or so now, we call regular TV Blur-o- Vision.

Hello everyone....I live in Staten Island and decided to do a scan for any new ch's and I came up with CBS from Philly! First time ever towards that I came up with that ch. I don't have my Ant pointing towards Philly , it points towards the ESB. I was suprised ....anyone else grabbing CBS from Philly in the Staten Island area....or from New Jersey? As I write this I have lost the sig for CBS in Philly...but it would be really cool if I could get the ch on a reg basis to pull in some more football in HD.

I'm in Jamaica,Queens,and have the Accurian hooked up to an analog set.Initially I used an old Recoton 575,I was able to receive 4.1,4.2,7.1,7.2 fairly strongly,with a moderate amount of glitches,and 9.1(UPN) and 9.2(WNYW) less strongly,but still watchable.2.1 comes in sporadically,sometime a few minutes goes by without glitches,but the inevitable picture freezes always occurs.I am unable to tune in WB11 or any PBS stations. I then hooked up the new RCA ANT 525,a 45db amplified antenna that's showing up at Best Buy and Sears,reception was much improved,less glitches, and I can get 41.1(Univision) sporadically.The Accurian scanned and stored the NJN 58 stations,but I am unable to see any picture,except for a few still frames ocassionally.Still can't lock onto WB11 or PBS.
Yesterday I picked up the RS 15 1880,after all the rave reviews,I was expecting incredible reception,I was unable to lock on to a station for any length of time,quite frankly it's a POS.It also seemed to degrade the picture quality,images looked somewhat "hazy".

One NJ NPR station 5 of them...perhaps they could put some music formats we can't get on FM on them.. country-standards-oldies... whatever

If every broadcaster put up 5 audio only channels we would have a whole new digital music service.

I got the new Sony A10 and it has a very sensitive over the air receiver.

Does anybody else have a problem getting the front channels on Cold Case? I just get the ancillary music no speaking parts

Sounds ok to me...channel 11 digital has a strange audio mix...way to much in the back speakers

I've read some posts about multipath issues causing OTA signals to jump around. I live near NYC and was wondering whether multipath problems could affect only one source, but not others, even when they are all coming from the same location. ABC, CBS and NBC all come from the combiner located at the Empire State Building. ABC and NBC come in great and are "locked" in, however, CBS jumps around all over the place. Is it likely that this is a multipath issue and if so, why doesn't it affect the other local stations? If not, is it likely that it's just the source? Any other thougths?

Sounds ok to me...channel 11 digital has a strange audio mix...way to much in the back speakers


The problem got corrected by the middle of the program. It was definitely the HD "guys" or whatever because the local commercials came in ok

I've read some posts about multipath issues causing OTA signals to jump around. I live near NYC and was wondering whether multipath problems could affect only one source, but not others, even when they are all coming from the same location. ABC, CBS and NBC all come from the combiner located at the Empire State Building. ABC and NBC come in great and are "locked" in, however, CBS jumps around all over the place. Is it likely that this is a multipath issue and if so, why doesn't it affect the other local stations? If not, is it likely that it's just the source? Any other thougths?

Yes, multipath distortion can disturb different signals from the same point source to different degrees. One reason is different channels have different wavelengths and their reflections may recombine in different ways. Another is power level which may affect the situation (more could be worse OR more could be better) The antenna may affect the equation also. Having said all this to then say this is your problem would not be an easy call. If the antenna can be moved or rotated you may want to try that and see what happens. Try an attenuator also. Check all your connections to be sure they are good. CBS is a high channel compared to the others and may be affected to a higher degree by a poor connection.

Hello everyone....I live in Staten Island and decided to do a scan for any new ch's and I came up with CBS from Philly! First time ever towards that I came up with that ch. I don't have my Ant pointing towards Philly , it points towards the ESB. I was suprised ....anyone else grabbing CBS from Philly in the Staten Island area....or from New Jersey? As I write this I have lost the sig for CBS in Philly...but it would be really cool if I could get the ch on a reg basis to pull in some more football in HD.

Philly comes in very often here in Croton. I have had nights where I got 3, 6, and 8 from philly. OK, 6 and 8 are rare, but 3 is a very common sight. I've even had it come in better than 2 from NYC on occasion.

At these frequencies, tropospheric bending is the means of long distance propagation, usually when weather fronts come through. The higher the frequency the less likely the station to "bend" and follow the earth, so while I've seen channel 3 from philly many times, I think I've only seen channel 10 once or twice.

At UHF, this is much less likely, so any DX on digital is probably moreso a good antenna with a line of sight. Still, not impossible.......

News ran long due to election coverage and I guess WNBC still can't record and playback network HD programming so no HD for either show?

I've read some posts about multipath issues causing OTA signals to jump around. I live near NYC and was wondering whether multipath problems could affect only one source, but not others, even when they are all coming from the same location. ABC, CBS and NBC all come from the combiner located at the Empire State Building. ABC and NBC come in great and are "locked" in, however, CBS jumps around all over the place. Is it likely that this is a multipath issue and if so, why doesn't it affect the other local stations? If not, is it likely that it's just the source? Any other thougths?

Yes frequency plays a part in multipath problems. I also had a problem with CBS. I get all ESB stations at 100%. CBS however, would jump all around whenever it was damp or raining. After much experimentation I found that the SS-1000 Square Shooter antenna solved the problem for my location. It is circurally polarized and less susceptible to multipath. If possible try moving the antenna to a different part of the roof. Experimentation is key to solving problems like yours. Good Luck!

News ran long due to election coverage and I guess WNBC still can't record and playback network HD programming so no HD for either show?

Both late shows are watered down and unfunny.

PERSONAL EXPERIENCE W/ TERK HTDVi ANTENNA:

This thing is no better in receiving HD than a pair of broken dipole antennas that came with a 20 yr old TV. Granted I get better analog reception but that's only b/c the Terk's dipoles are much longer than my 20yr olds. I attached the Terk to a splitter so that i can get both analog and HD. The Terk is pointed west (that would be my living room wall) and the reception is ok, not great (stutters every 5 mins. or so). You guys think a silver sensor would be better? or a cheap $10 RCA antenna from Target??? I'll be returning this $40 piece of junk to Circuit City.

It's weird that i can't have both ABC and NBC optimized at the same time. I'd have to turn the Terk 180 degrees to watch either channel.

I live in an apt bldg in Bayside with no windows facing west or south, only north. But the bldg itself has a clear shot of manhattan. I am no longer receiving unencrypted TWC. Not even encrypted. Don't know why. cable cut in bldg??? oh well...good while it lasted...

It's weird that i can't have both ABC and NBC optimized at the same time. I'd have to turn the Terk 180 degrees to watch either channel.
with the RCA 525,basically the same orientation works for NBC and ABC,CBS requires a slight shift in position.UPN and FOX seem to be on the same orientation,If I tune in one,I know I'll get the other.

Hi everybody

I just like to say the DB2 is a great, I brought it around 2 weeks ago and the reception is awesome.

I live in a 2 story house with a big tree in the back, I just put it out the first floor window facing manhattan (live in Brooklyn) and the reception is awesome.

Highly recommended antenna for a great price too.

Monday night football was awesome.

Awesome! ;) Free digital TV... can't beat it.
-Phil

Has Telemundo gone live yet?

It's WNJU-DT (Enter zip code 11237 in antennaweb.org (that's in Brooklyn)). Channel 36.

During the showing of Volcano on Saturday, November 19, 2005

The audio for Volcano was normal, but the video was that of the SKYFOX helicopter flying over New York City filming in HD.

The logo on the top right was SKYFOX HD,

I guess this means that we will soon be seing HDTV news from FOX 5 with helicopter coverage in HDTV via this new means.

I will post some photos later.

saw it too, you beat me to it.

Yea, I just saw that too while flipping channels. It was a shot of the Empire State Building with Yankee stadium in the background. When it came on they were talking about an earthquake and it seemed like news coverage but it was the sound from the movie. Freaky!

Note, it was on the DirecTV feed too

WNYW just ran a promo for "SkyFOX-HD comming soon!"

Since the SD upconvert of local WNYW programming is real bad this should make the video much better if the news cast is not an upconvert.

Hi all, I am about to go up on the roof of my 3-story Brooklyn apt bldg to install a sat dish... I figure I'd better install an antenna while I am up there.

I need this antenna just to pick up the local CBS, NBC, ABC and FOX stations in HDTV to be displayed via my Dish 6000 and Sanyo Z2 projector. There are no obstructions and I believe all these stations transmit from the Empire State bldg.

I would really like to order one of the antennas from this page since I am ordering my LNBs from there... just in case outside links aren't allowed I will also post the model names of the ones I am interested below.

http://electrogalaxy.dtopinc.com/in...utdoor-antennas

I am really interested in the "Terk Hdtvo Amplified Outdoor Hdtv Antenna" seeing as how it is pretty compact and can go on the same mast as the dish.

But is an amplified antenna not recommended for my urban location? If not, how about the "ZENITH GEMDTV1 Outdoor UHF/HDTV/DTV/Analog Antenna"??

And what's up with the "Terk Tertv32 Uhf-only Small Directional Hdtv Outdoor Antenna" - it is a completely different style!?

Thanks in advance,

Huggybear

Where in Brooklyn are you. I am also in Brooklyn and I will highly recommend the DB4. I have a little experience with the Terk and didn't like them. I also tried the Winegard squareshooter. I found the DB4 performed the best. I am in the East Flatbush section of Brooklyn and manage to get all of my locals in HD OTA. Previously, I lived in Sunset Park Brooklyn and had similiar results.


Hi all, I am about to go up on the roof of my 3-story Brooklyn apt bldg to install a sat dish... I figure I'd better install an antenna while I am up there.

I need this antenna just to pick up the local CBS, NBC, ABC and FOX stations in HDTV to be displayed via my Dish 6000 and Sanyo Z2 projector. There are no obstructions and I believe all these stations transmit from the Empire State bldg.

I would really like to order one of the antennas from this page since I am ordering my LNBs from there... just in case outside links aren't allowed I will also post the model names of the ones I am interested below.

http://electrogalaxy.dtopinc.com/in...utdoor-antennas

I am really interested in the "Terk Hdtvo Amplified Outdoor Hdtv Antenna" seeing as how it is pretty compact and can go on the same mast as the dish.

But is an amplified antenna not recommended for my urban location? If not, how about the "ZENITH GEMDTV1 Outdoor UHF/HDTV/DTV/Analog Antenna"??

And what's up with the "Terk Tertv32 Uhf-only Small Directional Hdtv Outdoor Antenna" - it is a completely different style!?

Thanks in advance,

Huggybear

Hi Anthony, I am in Bushwick (DeKalb @ Myrtle area). Thanks for the tip - the DB4 sounds like a winner... so you get ABC, NBC, CBS and FOX all at good signal levels?

huggybear

I have some brand new Terk TV35 antennas in the box - sealed.

I am located in the Bronx, New York.

I am asking for $75.00, here is a link to the product on another website.



http://www.soundcity.com/products/2421.html?tr=froogle

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=ANTV35

Has anyone else been bothered by the very low audio levels on WNBC-DT?

I have to turn my volume to about 3/4s way up to get a normal listening level.
Of course, when I switch channels, the other stations just blast through.

DirecTV's feed, which is off-air, doesn't bother to compensate for the low audio level.

With all the problems that NBC has had with HD, I know this is a small problem and a local one - but it's so easy to remedy.

General Sarnoff just rotated, once again, in his grave.

Gary

Happy Thanksgiving all! My OTA signal was in and out all morning is anyone else having this problem?

Thanks, Tony

Only problem that I noticed this morning was with WABC-DT.

O-T-A, picture kept breaking up.

In fact, DirecTV used a courtesy card stating that they couldn't provide
this station's signal at this time.

Everything OK now.

Gary

Happy Thanksgiving all! My OTA signal was in and out all morning is anyone else having this problem?

Thanks, Tony
I noticed it on ABC and NBC,couldn't figure out why,since I was getting 80+ signal strength on my Accurian.

ABC-DT OTA is all mangled eh???

Just hooked up my HD TIVO and was about ready to go BALLISTIC till I checked D*'s ABC HD feed and noticed the "experiencing technical difficulties" card described a few posts back for NBC-DT.

Is the cable (Comcast/TWC/Cablevision) signal for ABC-DT available tonight?? I wanted to see how Finding Nemo looked with my new set up.....so much for that

I am getting the same problem. Looks like WABC's HD signal is all messed up.

Changed another thread to the New York, NY - DBS (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=607959) thread. Use that thread for discussion of satellite delivered locals, and the pending (December) rollout of MPEG4 NYC locals.

anyone not getting Surface in HD on WNBCHD?

Caught a bit of skyfox in HD on Monday night's news on FOX. I am recording tomorrows news to see if they show more of it. Looked really cool but, only saw it for about 5 seconds.

I have some trouble picking up WPIX, WNet. I currently have a square shooter antenna and CM777 preamp. Most of the other channels I care about come in well. With some occasion dropouts but, really not that bad.

I am considering maybe an antenna in the attic. I really don't want to put a big antenna on the roof.

Anyway do you think a CM4228 would pick up WNET on VHF 13? Some say the CM4228 picks up the upper VHF channels ok. Or should I look at some other antenna that also picks up VHF as well as UHF?

Thanks...

When the switchover to digital is completed, WNET-DT will give up analog 13 and digital 61 and will transmit on digital 13.

I know that all of that doesn't answer reception problems.

Gary

anyone not getting Surface in HD on WNBCHD?

I just watched it on my DVR and it was in SD widescreen the entire time. Who is in charge of flipping the HD switch at NBC? They seem to have a problem with that :(

Might be a good thing for many. Wont many people lose several stations that are moving to VHF if they have UHF antennas.

It is doubtful that any meaningful changes will be made until the switchover to the new channel allocations probably late in 2008.

So, I guess were stuck with what we have!

I have some trouble picking up WPIX, WNet. I currently have a square shooter antenna and CM777 preamp. Most of the other channels I care about come in well. With some occasion dropouts but, really not that bad.

I am considering maybe an antenna in the attic. I really don't want to put a big antenna on the roof.

Anyway do you think a CM4228 would pick up WNET on VHF 13? Some say the CM4228 picks up the upper VHF channels ok. Or should I look at some other antenna that also picks up VHF as well as UHF?

Thanks...

In your response above are you talking about WNET analog or WNET digital (Digital 61 or 63 IIRC)? Same goes for WPIX (Digital 33).

I have a CM4228 (which I currently have hooked up to a CM UHF only--not sure what the model # is) but before I had it hooked up to the pre-amp, out here in Central NJ, I was actually able to pick up analog 2/4/5/7/9 and 11...not without static mind you....but they were watchable. Once I hooked up the pre-amp those channels were blocked out.

Not sure where you are located, but you *should* be able to pick up 13 Analog...but not sure why you'd want to ;)

In your response above are you talking about WNET analog or WNET digital (Digital 61 or 63 IIRC)? Same goes for WPIX (Digital 33).


I was talking about the digital channels. At some point WPIXDT will be on vhf-13 and 2 or 3 other DT channels that are currently UHF will be on even lower VHF channels.

I am considering the antenna you have and already have a Channel Master CM7777 preamp (this one I think does VHF as well). But, wondering if I would be better off long term with antenna that does VHF and UHF.

Or perhaps by then DirecTV or whoever I am using will offer WPIX and WNET in HD.

Looks like they may not be moving to VHF anytime soon (several years) if that is the case then I might just get the best UHF antenna I can and go with that for now.

First off I'm in Bergen County. I had my HDTivo installed this afternoon with an OTA antenna. Unfortunately the installer didn't install the antenna on my roof but instead put it about 60% up my house on the siding. It's a few feet on top of where my satellite dish is. Well my CBS HD, NBC HD and I think my UPN HD doesn't come in well. The signal fades in and out maxing at 45 or 50. Fox and ABC come in well. What's weird is that on antennaweb.org all of my networks are either at 11.2 miles or 11.7 miles all in the same direction. I copied my antenna web read out for digital channels. Is there anything I can do to fix this? The thing is I don't think I can reach the antenna.

One other thing about the installation. The installer used a coupler (the opposite of diplexor) out at the dish to put the antenna and satellite on to one wire running into the house. He then used a diplexor right before running the lines into a 4x8 multiswitch and ran the antenna line from the diplexor to the tivo. Could all of this splitting and combining be hurting the antenna signal?

I think I'm going to go out and buy the Zenith Silver Sensor indoor one and see if that works (probably won't because the tv is in my basement). If it does work I'll just ask directv to credit me the $50 since the installer didn't even put the antenna on the roof.


DTV Antenna
Type Call Sign Channel Network City State Live
Date Compass
Orientation Miles
From Frequency
Assignment
* yellow - uhf WWOR-DT 9.1 UPN SECAUCUS NJ 186° 11.7 38
* yellow - uhf WPXN-DT 31.1 i NEW YORK NY 193° 14.2 30
* yellow - uhf WNYW-DT 5.1 FOX NEW YORK NY 186° 11.7 44
* yellow - uhf WPIX-DT 11.1 WB NEW YORK NY 186° 11.7 33
* yellow - uhf WXTV-DT 41.1 UNI PATERSON NJ 186° 11.7 40
* yellow - uhf WNJN-DT 51.1 PBS MONTCLAIR NJ 263° 10.5 51
* yellow - uhf WNJU-DT 36 TEL LINDEN NJ TBD 193° 14.2 36
* yellow - uhf WFME-DT 66.1 REL WEST MILFORD NJ 248° 15.5 29
* yellow - uhf WCBS-DT 2.1 CBS NEW YORK NY 186° 11.7 56
* yellow - uhf WABC-DT 7.1 ABC NEW YORK NY 186° 11.2 45
* green - uhf WNET-DT 13.1 PBS NEWARK NJ 186° 11.7 61
* lt green - uhf WFUT-DT 68.1 TFA NEWARK NJ 186° 11.2 53
* lt green - uhf WTBY-DT 54.1 TBN POUGHKEEPSIE NY 18° 39.6 27
* lt green - uhf WRNN-DT 48.1 IND KINGSTON NY 18° 39.6 48
* red - uhf WMBC-DT 63.1 IND NEWTON NJ 295° 30.9 18
* violet - uhf WNBC-DT 4.1 NBC NEW YORK NY 184° 11.1 28

I am a newbie to OTA DTV and have been experimenting with a Zenith Silver Sensor using a Samsung SIR-T451 tuner. With the antenna indoors, I can get a lot of channels, but have to keep re-positioning. Outdoors, I get about 12 channels (not counting the sub-channels). However, I feel I must go the next step to a larger antenna.

My question is whether the antenna should be the non-directional (bow-tie) or directional (Yagi) type. I do not want to use a rotor and I am about 20 miles from the Roxborough transmitters. My preference for the next step is to try mounting it in the attic. I have heard that the non-directional could have ghosting and multipath problems, whereas the directional might be too directional and need rotating.

I would appreciate advice from anyone with reception experience in the Mount Laurel or Medford NJ area. Also, anyone's opinion on the directional vs. non-directional would also be appreciated.

Does anyone know what WNBC's status is i.e., are they at full power etc? I can't get a whiff of their signal. This is the only station in NYC I can't get in. WPIX is the second worse but at least I get a hit. I wonder if WNBC plan on expanding their signal profile. Last profile I saw shows their signal was primarily focused NE towards Ct. Thanks for any info.

WNBC-DT has been at full power since before the spring.

That's the signal and more than likely the way it will remain from
the Empire State Building.

Gary

reception on ABC-DT is extremely poor this morning.

Yes, major reception problems with WABC-DT.

In fact, DirecTV has courtesy card up stating that there are technical difficulties.

Gary

First off I'm in Bergen County. I had my HDTivo installed this afternoon with an OTA antenna. Unfortunately the installer didn't install the antenna on my roof but instead put it about 60% up my house on the siding. It's a few feet on top of where my satellite dish is. Well my CBS HD, NBC HD and I think my UPN HD doesn't come in well. The signal fades in and out maxing at 45 or 50. Fox and ABC come in well. What's weird is that on antennaweb.org all of my networks are either at 11.2 miles or 11.7 miles all in the same direction. I copied my antenna web read out for digital channels. Is there anything I can do to fix this? The thing is I don't think I can reach the antenna.

One other thing about the installation. The installer used a coupler (the opposite of diplexor) out at the dish to put the antenna and satellite on to one wire running into the house. He then used a diplexor right before running the lines into a 4x8 multiswitch and ran the antenna line from the diplexor to the tivo. Could all of this splitting and combining be hurting the antenna signal?

I think I'm going to go out and buy the Zenith Silver Sensor indoor one and see if that works (probably won't because the tv is in my basement). If it does work I'll just ask directv to credit me the $50 since the installer didn't even put the antenna on the roof.


DTV Antenna
Type Call Sign Channel Network City State Live
Date Compass
Orientation Miles
From Frequency
Assignment
* yellow - uhf WWOR-DT 9.1 UPN SECAUCUS NJ 186° 11.7 38
* yellow - uhf WPXN-DT 31.1 i NEW YORK NY 193° 14.2 30
* yellow - uhf WNYW-DT 5.1 FOX NEW YORK NY 186° 11.7 44
* yellow - uhf WPIX-DT 11.1 WB NEW YORK NY 186° 11.7 33
* yellow - uhf WXTV-DT 41.1 UNI PATERSON NJ 186° 11.7 40
* yellow - uhf WNJN-DT 51.1 PBS MONTCLAIR NJ 263° 10.5 51
* yellow - uhf WNJU-DT 36 TEL LINDEN NJ TBD 193° 14.2 36
* yellow - uhf WFME-DT 66.1 REL WEST MILFORD NJ 248° 15.5 29
* yellow - uhf WCBS-DT 2.1 CBS NEW YORK NY 186° 11.7 56
* yellow - uhf WABC-DT 7.1 ABC NEW YORK NY 186° 11.2 45
* green - uhf WNET-DT 13.1 PBS NEWARK NJ 186° 11.7 61
* lt green - uhf WFUT-DT 68.1 TFA NEWARK NJ 186° 11.2 53
* lt green - uhf WTBY-DT 54.1 TBN POUGHKEEPSIE NY 18° 39.6 27
* lt green - uhf WRNN-DT 48.1 IND KINGSTON NY 18° 39.6 48
* red - uhf WMBC-DT 63.1 IND NEWTON NJ 295° 30.9 18
* violet - uhf WNBC-DT 4.1 NBC NEW YORK NY 184° 11.1 28

i'm guessing two things:

1. your antenna needs to be higher.

2. the splitting & recombining is indeed weakening the signal that gets to your tuner.


to cure problem #1 you'll need to get an installer(a DIFFERENT one IMO) to reposition the antenna. and while he's there have him do solution #2 and run a dedicated cable from antenna to tuner(unless you don't want any more holes in your walls, in which case an in-line amp could compensate for signal loss).

also in think the parameters for WNBC-DT are outdated. they're at full power on the ESB combiner & the azimuth should be 186 degrees.



jim

What is the farthest point from the Empire State building that anyone here is actually receiving HD from CBS, NBC, FOX, and ABC???

Location? How many miles????

You may want to ask that ? in the Eastern Long Island and Central NJ threads. You may be surprised at how far away some people are.

i'm guessing two things:

1. your antenna needs to be higher.

2. the splitting & recombining is indeed weakening the signal that gets to your tuner.


to cure problem #1 you'll need to get an installer(a DIFFERENT one IMO) to reposition the antenna. and while he's there have him do solution #2 and run a dedicated cable from antenna to tuner(unless you don't want any more holes in your walls, in which case an in-line amp could compensate for signal loss).

also in think the parameters for WNBC-DT are outdated. they're at full power on the ESB combiner & the azimuth should be 186 degrees.
jim

I actually had him come back and he told me that his signal meter didn't give any better signal on my roof either. I wasn't home so I don't know if he was telling me the truth or not. Also, I thought that the diplexor's don't cause a signal loss. I guess I'm just going to use the Directv NY locals that they provide in the 80s channels. I just wanted to get WB and UPN also.

I actually had him come back and he told me that his signal meter didn't give any better signal on my roof either. I wasn't home so I don't know if he was telling me the truth or not. Also, I thought that the diplexor's don't cause a signal loss. I guess I'm just going to use the Directv NY locals that they provide in the 80s channels. I just wanted to get WB and UPN also.

I find it hard to believe that his meter gave him "the same" levels on the roof. At the very least there should have been a few db difference from cable loss going down to your TV. I'm not 100%, but i'm pretty sure diplexors have like .5db insertion loss to them.

where in Bergen co. are you? I was living in Hasbrouck Heights, in an apartment on the ground floor, and had a small terk outdoor antenna that i mounted in one of my closets and had no problem getting all the NY locals on a first generation HD tuner.

First what kind of antenna did the installer put in, since you say its mounted on teh side of your house by the dish i'm picturing one of those square plastic units. Go get a REAL antenna and put it on the roof if thats the case, most will agree those look nice but are crap.

not receiving any picture or sound on ABC-DT,although I am getting 70+ signal strength on the meter.

No problems, coming in loud and clear!

Gary

I just had to rescan on my 942 and I'm not getting WABC-DT either.

For some reason WABC-DT seems to have moved to its UHF channel number or 45.1 yesterday from 7.1. I had to rescan it in to my Dish Network 811 on channel 45.1 and it works. I think the PSIP is messed up for this channel.

thanks Scott,I just rescanned my Accurian and received ABC on 45.1.It also scanned in NBC 4.4,that's the first time this channel has shown up in a scan(there's nothing there,although I'm getting 80+ signal strength).