The GE building is 40ft taller than Conde Nast. ABC just showed how to GET THINGS DONE!!!

STEP UP TO THE PLATE, NBC!!!

i'm on the south shore and am simply aiming west. if things dont get better i can get on the roof on Sunday and play with the position to see if i can dial in abc. when i 1st put up antenna for fox and cbs i found that it didnt matter how much i rotated it, i stayed locked on cbs and fox, so i should have plenty of play. if that doesnt work i can always try a pre-amp.

I have a suspicion that they lowered the juice just enough to throw me out of wack. Georges original post a few days ago said they would come up at a power just lower than CBS and FOX and slowly increase it over time. if thats accurate then i should be okay since i was seeing great pic just a few hours ago.

I am getting a solid signal here at Darien, CT. No drop outs so far.
I can't tell the strength since I have an old panasonic decoder. I am
using a RS double bowtie on the first floor family room.

Hopefully they will up the juice a lot!!, I now get only 10% In North Bronx/Yonkers...

Originally posted by antneye
i'm on the south shore and am simply aiming west. if things dont get better i can get on the roof on Sunday and play with the position to see if i can dial in abc. when i 1st put up antenna for fox and cbs i found that it didnt matter how much i rotated it, i stayed locked on cbs and fox, so i should have plenty of play. if that doesnt work i can always try a pre-amp.

I have a suspicion that they lowered the juice just enough to throw me out of wack. Georges original post a few days ago said they would come up at a power just lower than CBS and FOX and slowly increase it over time. if thats accurate then i should be okay since i was seeing great pic just a few hours ago.

Good Luck. You'll be fine. Get yourself a $5 compass and confirm your readings from antennaweb.org. There should be a 4 degree difference between ESB (285) and CN (281). Just point in the middle (283) and ENJOY!

Woo-hoo!

Just got home a half ago[after reading all of everyone's excited posts throughout the day about ABC]and quickly turned the set on.

Surprisingly enough, I didn't even have to twiddle my Radio Shack double tie at all --ABC pops right up on my Samsung t-150 on 7-1.

I was worried I would have to constantly turn the antenna each time I wanted to watch ABC which would have been a bit "annoying"

Right now I am getting ABC perfectly from out here in Woodside Queens. This is awesome. I will never pay for cable if I can help it.

This is way cool.

Thank you ABC!

Ok here is the deal some of us are viewing a signal from WABC-DT it is a temporary test signal there is NO guarantee that WABC will be broadcasting Monday night football there is a power issue that should be resolved in about a week.

Reporting from Jersey City, getting ABC-DT at 75%.


Nice Job ABC, now I just need to build a new PC so that I can record two HD streams at once. :(

Coming in loud and clear in Staten Island. A 100 reading on my Hughes E86.

Like several other posters with the Samsung T-165 STB, 7-2 (SD) causes the box to reboot, while 7-1 (HD) works fine including 5.1 Dolby sound and a strong signal.

Not sure if the 7-2 rebooting is caused by an incorrect broadcast setting or just a weak signal (although 7-1 is strong) - I occasionally experience the same reboot issue with a local PBS digital station (13-1/61) if the antenna is pointed in a certain direction.

Maybe this will just be while ABC is getting the kinks out...

Last night I was getting 0 to 10% on ABC-DT. (I live in Tarrytown about a 1 mile north of theTappan Zee bridge, close to the east bank of the Hudson river). But, I checked the signal strength this morning (@5:30AM) and it was bouncing between 42 and 56. It did drop to zero every now and then. Did not get a stable picture for too long on 7-1 or 7-2. But, it was much better than last night.

I did not make any adjustments to my antenna and did not rescan or reset my Hughes E86. Maybe it will get better with time. I still get both CBS and Fox at 100%.

As of 7:24 AM, I no longer receive a signal. Hope they are still just testing.

They must have taken it down for a little while. It has been a long time in coming since the towers fell and we lost the signal. A few more days of adjustments is fine.
Screw the taliban!

Originally posted by BuzaidC
Last night I was getting 0 to 10% on ABC-DT. (I live in Tarrytown about a 1 mile north of theTappan Zee bridge, close to the east bank of the Hudson river). But, I checked the signal strength this morning (@5:30AM) and it was bouncing between 42 and 56. It did drop to zero every now and then. Did not get a stable picture for too long on 7-1 or 7-2. But, it was much better than last night.

I did not make any adjustments to my antenna and did not rescan or reset my Hughes E86. Maybe it will get better with time. I still get both CBS and Fox at 100%.

Thanks BuzaidC, Funny when I checked this morning at about 4:30 am mine was still 3-9%. I could clearly see the Antenna when driving down the Deegan near the triboro this morning, so I think i just need to tweak my antenna slightly. I will check when I get home from work and after trick-or-treating with the kids. Thanks for your Info.... BS77

I have the Panasonic DST50 and since last night, I lost the audio on channel 2. In fact I have a second DST50, and it also lost audio on channel 2, and neither receivers could pick up channel 7. All the other DTV stations are fine. I Have a Sony HD tuner, and it works fine on all channels, including 7. Does anyone know if CBS changed anything that could cause the loss of audio on a first generation HD receiver?

For those who are NOT getting a clear signal, I would be hesitant to adjust anything just yet. As Wward said above they are still in the testing stage. Conceptually, there is no reason to change anything in you set up until you know for sure that things are fine and no further adjustments will be made. It would be silly to climb up on roofs or into attics (especially those due north of the city). From the North it shouldnt be too hard to pick up ABC if you're already pointing south for CBS and Fox. Be patient and wait before going crazy and changing things, you might just have to change it back anyway!

Doug

Still off the air as of about 9:50 AM

Originally posted by kcn823
I'm getting ABC-DT audio from my front left and right speakers, but nothing from the center. Anyone else?
I first noticed the center channel missing during the local news, which was in SD. Was your CC out during HD programming (Threat Matrix) too?

They will only give full power when HD is on.

As Ken H. suggested, let's continue this discussion in the new thread, "WABC-DT Is On the Air."

Originally posted by sr
I have the Panasonic DST50 and since last night, I lost the audio on channel 2. In fact I have a second DST50, and it also lost audio on channel 2, and neither receivers could pick up channel 7. All the other DTV stations are fine. I Have a Sony HD tuner, and it works fine on all channels, including 7. Does anyone know if CBS changed anything that could cause the loss of audio on a first generation HD receiver?

experienced the same thing. abc was loud and clear in hanover, morris county but with cbs, the audio would only be on for a second upon switching, then drop off completely with the dst50.

now if only nbc would also return, last night would have been threat matrix at 8, then csi at 9, then er at 10. fox had tru calling with the buffy babe but they're not hidef so they lose. anyway, still a historical day in ny dtv.

Does anyone know of anyone in the NBC engineering dept? They look really lame now!?

Early next year is what I've been told by an engineer there. That could be as late as next Spring. WABC-DT leapfrogged the slow process of getting aboard the Empire State Building combiner for digital broadcasting by moving over and doing their own thing on the CondeNast building. It would have been nice if WNBC did the same thing on top of their own "GE Building," but I guess nobody thought of that.

Probably because ABC cares more about HD than NBC. It's amazing to see a network that was once a technological leader become 3rd rate at best.

Originally posted by s2silber
It would have been nice if WNBC did the same thing on top of their own "GE Building," but I guess nobody thought of that.

Seems like that would have been perfect. Since it's their building, they wouldn't have had any hassles with the "landlord". It might even be taller than the Conde Naste. Anybody know?

Originally posted by fourthstooge
Seems like that would have been perfect. Since it's their building, they wouldn't have had any hassles with the "landlord". It might even be taller than the Conde Naste. Anybody know?

Originally posted by seldenpat
The GE building is 40ft taller than Conde Nast. ABC just showed how to GET THINGS DONE!!!

STEP UP TO THE PLATE, NBC!!!

Originally posted by fourthstooge
Seems like that would have been perfect. Since it's their building, they wouldn't have had any hassles with the "landlord". It might even be taller than the Conde Naste. Anybody know?

TheGE Building (http://www.skyscrapers.com/re/en/wm/bu/115419/) vs the Conde Nast Building (http://www.skyscrapers.com/re/en/wm/bu/113942/)

GE seems to be a wee bit taller....but the Conde Nast has a spire that takes it up a wee bit higher....so lets say they are somewhat "comparable" in height ?!?! :confused:

GE is a "Condo Owner" in the "GE" building. Tishman owns and operates the building. Putting a tower on the building would have to go through so many city agencies it isn't even funny considering the Landmark status.
I don't know what's going to happen now.
Consider that one of the signees pulled out, someone(s) is going to have to pick up the slack. Renegotiate contracts? Are the contracts contingent on everyone signing on? This presents a real problem. Not WNBC's doing.
Also, all the stations still have microwave rooms on EBS for the news trucks in the city. EBS management might make it tough for them in upcoming contract talks. Lots to consider.
GT

George,

Can you shed any light on WABC's present status. It appears they are off air as of this morning. From my own personal experience in East Islip, I think they lowered their power in the evening because i suddenly lost pic at about 10:30 PM while others retained pic (maybe earlier, i checked at 10:30).

Can I safely assume that since i had a pic at about 8:30 last night that when they complete their testing and go full power i will be ok?

Any news on the BEST HD OTA channel, PBS?

Can a preamp cause me to get a worse signal? I live 20 miles from the city and was using a CM7777. I would get a 100 signal from CBS and Fox and in the 90's last night from ABC. But I could not get a signal at all from WPIX. Today after playing with it for a while, I removed the preamp all together and now get 100 signal from CBS, FOX and in 80's from WPIX.

The only way I would receive WPIX using the preamp was with the settings set to seperate UHF and VHF and the FM switch off and inputing the antenna into the VHF input. Hopefully when they turn ABC back on I'll be able to get a good signal without the preamp.

So George, what do you think will happen, say, by this spring? Is the ESB combiner going to be completed? Is it possible to more stations, including WNBC-DT might go over to the 4 Times Sq site? What about WWOR getting it's own HD going, or WPIX boosting it's signal and going back to 33? Seems like there's now a lot of space available on the new site, you'd hope someone besides just ABC would take advantage...

Originally posted by jackcs
Any news on the BEST HD OTA channel, PBS?

Yes, WLIW-DT 22 coming in loud and clear from Garden City, NY!

Antneye, from what was posted there is a power issue up there in the transmitter suite at 4 Times Square. Could just be a distribution thing and have to have contractors put in subpanels. I haven't heard the results of the tests last night as far as tuning the xmitter. I hope that the pattern is correct and puts a null over the ocean instead of to the north. I assume the project manager and Dielectric thought of that and got orientation right. I assume that they are putting out a cardioid pattern and not wasting RF out over the water like the World Trade antennas.
As far as the combiner is concerned, I haven't a clue at this point. Spring was the earliest that Dielectric could put it in queue. If they would stop squabbling maybe something could be done. Too much politics to get into.
GT

George,

Forgive my ignorance, but does that mean that if i was seeing ABC for a little while last night then i should be able to see it again when the power issues are worked out? Remember, I lost my pic at about 10:00-10:30 and they were still on the air. I am on Long Island (South Shore, 41 miles from city)

See my post in "WABC-DT is Back on the Air."

i didn't see ken's sugg. where is this thread? i heard theres no guarante for mnf. is it tech prob. i mean didn't they state nov.1. i invited half my office over for this! what a shmuck i am..oh well god giv it, god.....

john

Originally posted by s2silber
As Ken H. suggested, let's continue this discussion in the new thread, "WABC-DT Is On the Air."

Does anyone pickup wpix in brooklyn? Can you do it with a UHF yagi? Thanks.

I know that they are vhf but they are a high vhf and I'm only 3-4 mi. from ESB.

Will this be WABC-DT's main transmitter site? Or are they still going to be on the Empire State Building combiner, and 4 Times Square will eventually be a back up site?

I GET 4 WB'S IN S.BKLYN. i just pointed my crappy terk to the city. but right now,or as of yesterday they are not broadcasting there digi ch. ill holler if you want when they resume

john

Originally posted by kaiming
Does anyone pickup wpix in brooklyn? Can you do it with a UHF yagi? Thanks.

I know that they are vhf but they are a high vhf and I'm only 3-4 mi. from ESB.

kaiming, yes you can pick up pix in brooklyn with uhf only

Originally posted by BuzaidC
Last night I was getting 0 to 10% on ABC-DT. (I live in Tarrytown about a 1 mile north of theTappan Zee bridge, close to the east bank of the Hudson river). But, I checked the signal strength this morning (@5:30AM) and it was bouncing between 42 and 56. It did drop to zero every now and then. Did not get a stable picture for too long on 7-1 or 7-2. But, it was much better than last night.

I did not make any adjustments to my antenna and did not rescan or reset my Hughes E86. Maybe it will get better with time. I still get both CBS and Fox at 100%.

Hey BuzaidC, I was going to wait a few days but I couldnt resist. I went to my attic to tweak my Uhf antenna. I moved it about 2 feet counterclockwise and my signal jumped to 80%!! they only problem is the signal keeps going up and down from 50-90% and this is causing breakups ever few minutes. I guess this will fix itself when abc goes to full power! Thanks!!!

Wow, great news. Glad to hear you are getting it. My signal is between 0 and 20 right now. I will try and move around my antenna (it is outside on the roof) tomorrow morning. I hope they are still broadcasting in the AM so I can see if it improves.
Thanks for the tip. Do you still get CBS and Fox at 100%??

Yes CBS and Fox still at 100% !!!!!

as of 11:00 p.m.... ABC is now Unwatchable. My signal is on a roller coaster, it s jumping up and down from 30% to 70%. Breakups every 3 seconds... Maybe they lowered the juice

hey guy....is 100ft cable run from the roof of a 6 floor building to my apt on 2nd floor too long? that means i need a preamp like cm7777? i have 10-20% on abc and 40-80% on cbs and fox...but cbs drop out very often...fox locks in fine

We need to pick a thread to talk about each topic. People are starting to post the same thing in two threads and it is getting redundant.

Maybe this thread has run its course. And once the ABC-DT issues are resolved, it may be time to start a new "Where's WNBC-DT and WWOR-DT" thread. Once those two are back and WPIX-DT is at full power all will be well in DTV land.

My setup is a little unusual. I live on the Jersey waterfront with a direct view of Manhattan. I have a Zenith 420 receiver and no antenna at all. That is, I am only running a plain 6' antenna cable to my Zenith. The cable terminates with with one of those little black splitter boxes with a couple of spade lugs coming out of it. That's it. I put this box on top of one of my speakers. I am getting ABC-DT (7-1 and 7-2) at 80-90 strength, according to the little graphic on the Zenith. I can also pick up CBS-DT, Fox-DT (5-1 and 5-2), and PBS-DT (13-1, 13-2, 13-3) that way, all with close to 90 strength. No WPIX.

Originally posted by BuzaidC
I will try and move around my antenna (it is outside on the roof) tomorrow morning. I hope they are still broadcasting in the AM so I can see if it improves.

Hey BuzaidC, I just checked and My signal is going crazy this morning. It is up and down from 20-93%. I think I might have to tweak it a little more. I cant deal with it today, have to spend SOME time with the family. I might just wait a few weeks until ABC gets the bugs out, so you might want to wait also before climbing on your roof. Good Luck....

Is it too soon to start complaining about NBC :)

Originally posted by John Tuohy
Is it too soon to start complaining about NBC :)

No!

Maybe this way they will get their s**t together before 2004 Olympics, which will be shot largely in HD by NBC. It will still be shown tape-delayed and full of sappy general-interest stories, but in HD nonetheless.

So, let the whining begin!

Can someone post a relevant phone number to call???

Originally posted by bs77
I think I might have to tweak it a little more. I cant deal with it today, have to spend SOME time with the family. I might just wait a few weeks until ABC gets the bugs out

Well I couldnt wait, my compulsive disorder took over!! I decided to give it one more tweek. My 8 year old daughter was my lookout. I moved the antenna about 4 inches back clockwise and my daughter starting yelling 100% 100% we got 100%!! My heart was racing and iI threw my hands in the air!! I dare not touch the Holy antenna!! I ran down and it was true!! 100% on ABC 100% on FOX and 100% on CBS!!! My prayers have been answered!! The only trade off is I cant get 21.1 PBS anymore. But I now also can get 11.1 WPIX at 45%...

So ANDYNG and BUZAIDC, Get up to your roof and Tweak your Antenna's!! This is FANTASTIC!!! Now all I need to do is get a LIFE!!! Thanks to all

Originally posted by bs77
Well I couldnt wait, my compulsive disorder took over!! I decided to give it one more tweek. My 8 year old daughter was my lookout. I moved the antenna about 4 inches back clockwise and my daughter starting yelling 100% 100% we got 100%!! My heart was racing and iI threw my hands in the air!! I dare not touch the Holy antenna!! I ran down and it was true!! 100% on ABC 100% on FOX and 100% on CBS!!! My prayers have been answered!! The only trade off is I cant get 21.1 PBS anymore. But I now also can get 11.1 WPIX at 45% This is FANTASTIC, Now all I need to do is get a LIFE!!! Thanks to all

LOL!

Now if only we can get NBC-DT and more HD programming.

I am sooooo tired of NTSC crappy, fuzzy PQ. We've been stuck with NTSC for too long.

But it seems that lately the networks have started viewing HD as a selling tool. So there is hope...

my opinion is that this thread covers it all. i dont see the help having individual threads for local ota ch. this one has it all and you just have to go to 1 place. but where ever you guys add a thread i follow since its pertaining to my area but i think they should go here, hate the clutter plus i hang hr often, lata buddies

john

Originally posted by trekkerj
We need to pick a thread to talk about each topic. People are starting to post the same thing in two threads and it is getting redundant.

i like how abc is doing it. I am getting them at 95% whenever hd programming is on because i dont intend to watch sd under that station.

NBC should move their a$$es quick.

I think the idea of the HD channel and the SD when no HD is being broadcast is great! Especially with the truly excellent PQ of the SD channel. This is unquestionably the best SD I've seen anywhere!

Originally posted by Ken Ross
I think the idea of the HD channel and the SD when no HD is being broadcast is great! Especially with the truly excellent PQ of the SD channel. This is unquestionably the best SD I've seen anywhere!

and having the SD channel lets them pass EVERYTHING in DD5.1 on the HD channel!

amist the college football,some excellent jazz on pbs

Originally posted by fourthstooge
and having the SD channel lets them pass EVERYTHING in DD5.1 on the HD channel! Please explain?

Yeah, I didn't get that one either.

can anyone let me know, is channel 9 wor doing some low pwer testing? is there ch going to be 57? or the sub ch of 5 fox. the reason is im getting some popping crackeling sounds on 57. thanks

john

57 is WLNY-DT.

so do you know where wor will be?.thanks

Originally posted by trekkerj
57 is WLNY-DT.

WWOR-DT is going to be on channel 38

thankyou for that. im getting alittle popping static on 38 also. just wondering since some people from around the country reporting upn going hd. could the metro area have ch 9 dt soon. hope so. getting abc was christmas for me. not getting greedy, just asking.

john

Originally posted by harican
WWOR-DT is going to be on channel 38

Originally posted by Ed Barclay
Please explain?

My receiver shows that all audio from channel 7.1 is DD5.1.....including the commercials. Meanwhile, the audio on 7.2 comes through DD2.0

Originally posted by fourthstooge
and having the SD channel lets them pass EVERYTHING in DD5.1 on the HD channel!

My receiver shows that all audio from channel 7.1 is DD5.1.....including the commercials. Meanwhile, the audio on 7.2 comes through DD2.0 But how does having the SD channel affect the HD channels audio. Could they not do 5.1 on the HD channel whether or not there is a SD channel?

Hey Andyng and BuzaidC,

Did you guys tweek your antennas yet? ? I just checked and my signal for 45 (ABC) is still Great at 93-100% (FOX and CBS 100%) Im looking good for MNF... YEAHHH BABY

Just came in off the roof. I think that my neighbors must think I am a little strange since I was crawling around on the roof in the darkness. I was up on the roof, on my cell phone, talking to my wife who patiently read off signal strength numbers to me for 45 minutes.

I was able to get ABC 45 up to a steady 72 from 0 to 10. So far, the picture comes in fine. Both FOX 44 and CBS 56 are still at 100. Minor adjustments do not seem to affect FOX 44 and CBS 56 at all but make a big difference to ABC 45. I live about a mile north of the Tappan Zee Bridge.

If I move the antenna about 5 to 10 inches to the left, ABC 45 comes in at a solid 100. The problem is that I will have to move my mast to do that and since the mast mounted on a vent pipe, I want to leave it where it is. Tomorrow, I will order the ChannelMaster 8 bay bow tie. (I currently have the ChannelMaster 4 bow tie). I think it is a much wider antenna and that it will get a better signal. I am going to try that rather than move the mast.

It is incredible to me how much difference a few inches makes in the signal. It goes from zero to 100 in the space of 10 inches.

Thanks for all your help BS77. I will let you know how I do with ordering/installing the new antenna.

hey guy, just follow your guys lead and crawled up the stair to the roof. move the antenna to the left a few inches. I have no one to help monitor the signal so i gotta go up twice. Here is the result
signal for cbs and fox are up to 80-90% now.
signal for abc is up but not enough to lock in.
Now i can get pbs at 21.1 which i didn't get before...along the way i got some small signal for other chanels.

However, i'm using a crappy preamp from rat shack. I tried to remove that preamp and here is what i found.
signal from fox and cbs are still strong but signal from other chanel drop off.

This lead me to the conclusion:
I need to tweak the antenna a little tomorrow in the morning with my wife help.
I need to get a good preamp. I will buy a cm 7777 tomorrow.

again..good job...thanks you all

recap....

East Islip, NY

on day 1 i had a signal @ 39% no drops for about 2 hours
day 2 until now i bounced between 0 and 36% with no picture.

Today i tried adjusting antenna.....nothing. So i put antenna back in original location.

all day no pic.

just checked @ 8:00..........

and...........................

Beautiful HD on abc....dont know whats on and i dont care. Signal is bouncing between 30 and 36%, but its locked in with no drops. I gotta believe that I am right on the fringe of reception and will be A OK once they fully ramp up their power. Someone had said that they are upping the juice during prime-time, and that may actually be true because it wasnt until prime-time that my pic appeared. This has me optimistic about MNF. Now if only my fantasy team would give me a reason to watch tomorrow night (Thats a whole different story).

it's gone again.....

but i'm so damn close to getting it that i'm sure i'll be ok once they are at full power.

Two things:
1) Is ABC transmitting full-time now, all the time? Because I can't get a signal for anything.:( I'm able to get CBS, UPN and Fox using a R.S. UHF/VHF amped antenna hooked up to a Samsung 165. But channel 45's a no go. What gives?
2) What format does Fox use during football games? I was watching a game tonight and I could clearly see a "normal" signal and a hi-def one. When they showed the entire football field it'd look terrible, but when they would close in on a player in the game or on the side-lines, it look great. Just curious.

Originally posted by Big L
What format does Fox use during football games? I was watching a game tonight and I could clearly see a "normal" signal and a hi-def one. When they showed the entire football field it'd look terrible, but when they would close in on a player in the game or on the side-lines, it look great. Just curious.

FOX uses widescreen 480P (I heard they actually shoot in 480i then double the signal before it's transmitted), but they are not high def capable yet. So you see more of the field than a standard 4:3 viewer, but that's about it.

Close-ups always look better than far-way shots, but there are cameras of different quality being used on the games. Usually the sky cam shots and the cameras on zip lines above the field look noticeably worse than the other cameras.

Originally posted by Chriš
FOX uses widescreen 480P (I heard they actually shoot in 480i then double the signal before it's transmitted), but they are not high def capable yet. So you see more of the field than a standard 4:3 viewer, but that's about it.
While FOX uses 480p for some of their filmed programs, the football does not approach 480p to my eyes, either close-ups or long shots.

It looks like standard definition in wide screen. I have no idea how they achieve this picture.

Perhaps someone can help me understand my strange reception problem.

I'm located in Bayside and use an old roof antenna with some missing parts together with a small RS amplifier. Using a T-351 STB, all my HD reception is razor sharp. I guess I'm within 20 miles of the ESB.

I get WABC, WPIX, and WNYW all perfectly.

However WCBS is spotty. Sometimes it's perfect and at other times it will often break up so as to be unwatchable. At times the T-351 willl even display the dreaded "no signal". The admittedly less than perfect signal meter on the T-351 will show about 70% and drop to absolute zero at these times. I have tried fiddling with my antenna, with limited success.

I have two questions:

What causes breakup on what is an essentially strong signal?

Since WCBS comes from the same antenna (and with comparable power ?) as WPIX and WNYW how is it that only one of the stations gives me this problem?

If a question like this has been answered before, perhaps I could be directed to a good search.

Thanks.

I would try it without the amp. It may be causing problems

Has anyone been able to record WPIX-DT with a HiPix card? I have no problem with any of the other networks and when I watch any of the available WPIX channels, it usually comes in fine. For some reason, when I set a timer or use Titan-TV, the recording fails with a "check your antenna" message.

Does anyone know if WABC has been at full power yet. I am using a Silver Sensor and can pull CBS in near the high 90's and sometimes 100 percent. I repositioned the antenna last night and the best I could get was a signal in the mid to upper 30's on WABC. Then the signal dropped all together. Will the signal ever be as strong as CBS or will I need to get another antenna with an amplifier. I would rather save the money if WABC signal strength will eventually improve.

Thanks guys..

WABC-DT is at only about half their eventual signal strength right now. Give it a couple of months.

I live in NE Bergen county. I have a model 6000 from E* and a RS Double Bow Tie on top of the TV. ABC-DT is coming in 75% with no drop outs and it's in 5.1. Watched ALIAS with no problems last night. FINALLY

I didn't think Alias had such great PQ. The Practice looked good.

Originally posted by Ed Barclay
But how does having the SD channel affect the HD channels audio. Could they not do 5.1 on the HD channel whether or not there is a SD channel?

I suppose that they could, Ed, just as WCBS does now; but having the separate channels saves them from switching back and forth like WCBS does and they often have audio problems. It also lets us choose how we wish to view the SD content; in 16:9 with DD2.0 on the SD channel or in 4:3 with DD5.1 on the HD channel.

No WABC-DT late Monday morning, and I must have tuned in the wrong times last week. That's assuming I should at least detect a signal only blocks away. With a Silver Sensor and my RPTV's built-in tuner, at a north-facing 'shielded location' (mid-town, eastside) I can tune CBS, and Fox sometimes, but haven't been getting the slightest signal flicker at UHF 45 (ABC). Perhaps I'm too close and the signal lobes are only reaching locations farther out. -- John

They are only on during primetime at the present time.

Thanks, trekkerj. Dumb assumptions here. I thought they were just performing periodic daytime tests, so haven't tried primetime. -- John

That's right. Except for random testing, they've got the power turned off during daylight hours while workers complete construction on the Conde Nast transmitter. That's going to continue for a couple/few weeks. Then, in another couple of months, they plan to increase power.

Originally posted by bs77
I actually have the Channel Master 4228 8-Bay Bowtie UHF Antenna (CM4228). I had ordered it from Solid Signal but I Never used it because it was too big to fit in the opening up to my attic.

I was able to fit my 4228 in the attic by partially disassembling the antenna. I first disconnected the bowtie arrays by removing the two screws (tap-off points) securing the rods joining the two arrays. Using a 1/8" drill, I drilled out the four rivets holding one screen and bowtie array to the cross brackets. I then was able to fit the antenna through the opening and reassemble in my attic replacing the rivets with four #8 galvanized screws, nuts & washers.

s2silber,

are you sure that they aren't transmitting during daytime hours? I constantly check my signal because i am on the fringe of reception (based on there present power levels) and I am definately seeing signal in daytime, just not good enough for a pic. Twice I have locked in ther signal between 8 and 9 in the evening, but then i lose it.

I am hoping you are correct about the signal increase coming shortly.

right now they are not broadcasting, the other day they resumed at 4pm/ its speratic but please for the grace of god let there be HDMNF tonight

john

Originally posted by antneye
s2silber,

are you sure that they aren't transmitting during daytime hours? I constantly check my signal because i am on the fringe of reception (based on there present power levels) and I am definately seeing signal in daytime, just not good enough for a pic. Twice I have locked in ther signal between 8 and 9 in the evening, but then i lose it.

I am hoping you are correct about the signal increase coming shortly.

Originally posted by antneye
s2silber,

are you sure that they aren't transmitting during daytime hours? I constantly check my signal because i am on the fringe of reception (based on there present power levels) and I am definately seeing signal in daytime, just not good enough for a pic. Twice I have locked in ther signal between 8 and 9 in the evening, but then i lose it.

I am hoping you are correct about the signal increase coming shortly.
The director of engineering at WABC told me that for the next couple of weeks the transmitter will usually be turned off during the day while workers complete the Conde Nast antenna tower. It's very possible that they do turn it on periodically during the day for tests, which may account for the signal readings you get. Nonetheless, it sounds to me like you're just out of range for decent signal reception at current power levels. I'll bet you'll be able to lock the signal once they boost kW's.

ABC-DT is broadcasting now.for you testers WPIX=DT also
j

hey i just noticed, i beacame a senior member. Ken h. how did i acheive this status, i dont feel that old and my birthday hasn't even come yet. (joking)

john

Originally posted by jscnyc
ABC-DT is broadcasting now.for you testers WPIX=DT also
j
WPIX-DT is testing where? On their regular Channel 33 slot, or low-power, temporary VHF Channel 12?

as of 4.05pm today, here is my test result
abc,cbs,fox,wpix-dt, wb are all in the 80% range. I spent half hour with the wife reporting the result downstair. Gotta move the antenna left and right for a while. I also bought and use the cm 7777. It helps alot.
I also lost signal of pbs 21.1 but i think abc more than make up for it.
Now, bring on the NBC

my tuner on my mits says 11.01,.02 &12.01 ive semed to loose a ch since the last time they broadcasted. i posted that for people who where directing there antennas, sorry if i confused you. thanks

Originally posted by s2silber
WPIX-DT is testing where? On their regular Channel 33 slot, or low-power, temporary VHF Channel 12?

All -

ABC Monday Night Football is looking GREAT here in Yonkers in HDTV on my Sony 60" Grand Wega II TV!

5.1 surround could be better mixed though - college football on HDNET (on DirecTV) sounded much better with the crowd mixed into the rear channels).

Still good though!!!!

Aaron

Thanks aaron.s for your help the other day. ABC is now coming in at 93-100% for me and MNF looked FANTASTIC!!!!! Isint life GREAT!!! :D

Now that ABC has joined the HDTV revolution when is NBC going to buck up? Does anyone have any information????

Assuming WABC-DT was broadcasting football at ~9-9:05 Monday night, I couldn't get the faintest whisper of a signal (mid-town, eastside), perhaps 9 blocks from the site, and haven't since they began testing. With my Silver Sensor and RPTV built-in tuner, the setup does register Fox and WCBS-DT. A mystery. -- John

I dont understand that. you are right there. WABC-DT looked great last night. i think they did a great job. i am one of the luckty ones and am appreciative. my 1080 set did a great job w/there 720p sing. i cant complain. good luck

john
Originally posted by John Mason
Assuming WABC-DT was broadcasting football at ~9-9:05 Monday night, I couldn't get the faintest whisper of a signal (mid-town, eastside), perhaps 9 blocks from the site, and haven't since they began testing. With my Silver Sensor and RPTV built-in tuner, the setup does register Fox and WCBS-DT. A mystery. -- John

Sometimes, being close in like that can hamper signals, especially if the transmission site isn't the tallest building and there are lots of other buildings close by that are blocking the signal. Hopefully, they will continue to tweak their signal to try and reach the most people.

ok, that explains why people 40-50 miles away where getting it. clear site.

j

Originally posted by trekkerj
Sometimes, being close in like that can hamper signals, especially if the transmission site isn't the tallest building and there are lots of other buildings close by that are blocking the signal. Hopefully, they will continue to tweak their signal to try and reach the most people.

Yeah, I'm 35 miles out, got 80%+ signal and no dropouts the whole game. Being close in like that, the signal is even more directional, so keep moving those antennas around-that's all I can think of. Anyone else have a recommendation? Don't you Manhattan people get ABC through Time Warner?

One of the problems with being close to the transmitter in midtown is that antennas do a great job of radiating horizontally, but not vertically. (Why waste power straight up or down?). Any signal that is usable underneath the antenna is blocked by buildings. However, the RF is also bounced around by the buildings too, multipath. When a news truck cannot see the receive site they just turn the microwave dish around until a signal is bounced off some building and pick up at the receive site.
Do the same with your Silver Sensor. Turn it around until you can receive a bounced signal. There is plenty of RF about 1000'? straight up, but not down on the ground.
I hope this helps.
GT

George,

any more info on WABC's power and the timeframe for upping the juice?

Still in the dark in East Islip

Originally posted by George Thompson
Do the same with your Silver Sensor. Turn it around until you can receive a bounced signal. There is plenty of RF about 1000'? straight up, but not down on the ground.
Thanks, George. Yes, I have to do that (receive multipath) for all my OTA. (My RPTV shows four separate readings that must lock for tuning, and none of them even flicker no matter how the antenna is oriented.)

Taping in 45 (UHF) with my remote brings up a WABC-DT not-available logo on screen. But believe that's stored in the tuner memory from the few times I managed to tune WABC-DT from the former WTC site. Perhaps there's some oddball digital-tuner blockage from this old ABC memorized data. Come to think of it, believe there is a setting for automatic swept channel storage versus manual entries. I'll try again tonight. Used to just using cable remotes for HD. :-) -- John

Not having talked to the project manager, I can only guess that it might have something to do with the fact that the last time I checked (last week) there were only two flat panel antennas on the mast and I think that there are suppost to be three. This is only conjecture from an old antenna/transmitter engineer.
When I heard power mentioned before I thought ConEd type power. I think it meant transmitter power. It may be capacity of couplings or combiners or antenna. I have no idea since my contacts at WABC maintenance (NABET brothers) are not on the transmitter project.
I'll let you know when they "leak" it to me, lol.
GT

Originally posted by John Mason
Assuming WABC-DT was broadcasting football at ~9-9:05 Monday night, I couldn't get the faintest whisper of a signal (mid-town, eastside), perhaps 9 blocks from the site, and haven't since they began testing. With my Silver Sensor and RPTV built-in tuner, the setup does register Fox and WCBS-DT. A mystery. -- John

Since multipath, in your situation, is your friend, might you not have better luck with something less directional than the Silver Sensor?

Originally posted by seldenpat
Yes, WLIW-DT 22 coming in loud and clear from Garden City, NY!
Wow it looks great in Greenwich. How did I miss this?
Thanks sel;denpat.
How long has WLIW been broadcasting at this strength?

Several months now.

Originally posted by jackcs
Wow it looks great in Greenwich. How did I miss this?
Thanks sel;denpat.
How long has WLIW been broadcasting at this strength?

What trekkerj said...:)

No problem! Enjoy the loop!

Yeah, it gets REAL boring after the 50th time.

But there's a nice travel program on at 7:30, makes you feel like you're in Europe.

Originally posted by RichYak
Since multipath, in your situation, is your friend, might you not have better luck with something less directional than the Silver Sensor?
Perhaps so. Might try something like the RS bowtie. Perhaps integrating all the reflections is the right approach. Thanks for the suggestion. Fortunately, my cable companies carry all the stations, but I like to A-B compare OTA vs. cable to help monitor quality. --John

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Originally posted by George Thompson
Do the same with your Silver Sensor. Turn it around until you can receive a bounced signal. There is plenty of RF about 1000'? straight up, but not down on the ground.
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You may want to also try tilting the Silver Sensor up so that the top is pointing straight up at 90 degrees. That places the active element in a vertical plane thus decreasing the Silver Sensor's directionality.

George, any inside info about this mediaweek article about NBC and the GE building?

http://www.mediaweek.com/mediaweek/headlines/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=2016900

Originally posted by trekkerj
George, any inside info about this mediaweek article about NBC and the GE building?

http://www.mediaweek.com/mediaweek/headlines/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=2016900
George could give more detail, but I understand from a source at WNBC that the article is correct. The good news is that they should go live in about two weeks. The bad news is that it will be at low power until ESB broadcasting resumes in March, although stronger than WPIX-DT's signal. My source did say, however, that they're optimistic about coverage because of the particular signal pattern they'll be using and that people throughout the metro area with good rooftop antennas may be able to lock the signal. Again, I defer to George for a better technical explanation.

Darn, so my indoor antenna won't work? Do you know what the signal strength will be and if it will still be on channel 28?

BTW, I'm on the base of a hill, so even in Morris County, I can still sometimes lock onto WPIX with a small indoor VHF antenna (hung outside my window, however). Hopefully, they are planning to stick with UHF so my radio shack antenna may pull it in. Looking forward to trying, anyway.

They don't seem sure yet exactly what the signal strength will be, but it will be less than WABC-DT's 222 kW ERP. I didn't ask about the channel position, specifically, but I got the sense that it's still Channel 28. Alot remains TBD until they flip the switch, so we'll all have to just see what happens when we try tuning in about two weeks from now.

Cool, hopefully it has good reach (better than WPIX anyway). Keep us posted!

Originally posted by s2silber
They don't seem sure yet exactly what the signal strength will be, but it will be less than WABC-DT's 222 kW ERP. I didn't ask about the channel position, specifically, but I got the sense that it's still Channel 28. Alot remains TBD until they flip the switch, so we'll all have to just see what happens when we try tuning in about two weeks from now.

All the more reason for me to *think* about upgrading from my current E86 to a more modern internal OTA tuner. My E86 (as do most) has issues with low power signals as well as multipath that *supposedly* the newer (i.e. Zenith, Samsung, Sony) generation STB's are able to handle better.

I just noticed on Circuit City's website that Hughes has a new D*/OTA HD box for sale ....$369. Anyone going to purchase it???

This NBC news IS great news if indeed the signal is solid enough to exist on a nightly basis in the backwoods of NJ for me :p

Originally posted by seldenpat
What trekkerj said...:)

No problem! Enjoy the loop!

Is WLIW only showing the loop?
Not the national PBS HD shows?

Ch 21-1 shows the HD loop and the National HD shows usually between 6-8 PM.... Ch 21-2 is the digital version of the regular Ch 21

Wow, NBC-DT back in NYC..this is awesome. what a great time to be alive. keep this up and ill get rid of cablevision.

Originally posted by jscnyc
Wow, NBC-DT back in NYC..this is awesome. what a great time to be alive. keep this up and ill get rid of cablevision.

Did you mean ABC? Haven't heard anything about NBC going HD in NYC.

Originally posted by jscnyc
Wow, NBC-DT back in NYC..this is awesome. what a great time to be alive. keep this up and ill get rid of cablevision.

Now we need Fox in 720p and more programming, particularly sports. Life will be good again, without having to pay for cable or sat.

Originally posted by cgardias
Did you mean ABC? Haven't heard anything about NBC going HD in NYC.

Read this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=322043).

just a shout out for all my buddies connecting,tweeking and antenna twirling:) ABC-DT is broadcasting sufficient enough to give me a great looking SD ch & there powerful HD ch. I say this to my eyes last night ABC-DT looked better than CBS-DT & WPIX-DT. something also, in bklyn, abc analog ch has always been the strongest out of the other local networks b'casting ota analog ch, this has always been. I wondered if this had something to do with the great pic i saw last night. sheer power.

john

Originally posted by RichYak
Read this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=322043).

Oh! Excellent!!!!
Now if I could only receive the damn signal from ABC. I live in upper westchester (Ossining) and I use a RCA double bow tie antenna. CBS comes in at 70 and FOX is at 50, ABC is only at a measly 5.
I wonder if the Zenith silver sensor antenna would do the job?

Having just moved from Ossining, I'm surprised you get those stations as well as you do with the RCA double bowtie. The Zenith Silver Sensor might work for you; it was intermittent for me. However, you may need to go rooftop. In Ossining, I got very good OTA reception using the Winegard Sensar w/pre-amp.

I wish I could go rooftop but I live in a condo complex and its verbotten!

Originally posted by cgardias
I wish I could go rooftop but I live in a condo complex and its verbotten!

Actually its against the law for them to prohibit you from installing a rooftop antenna. This has been discussed quite a bit. I'd recommend a search of the forums.

jscnyc, what kind of tv do you have that you say ABC looked better than CBS?

I have a 1080 mits, I realize abc is 720, not my native. but abc dt looked excellent to me last night compared to the other digi channels.i noticed it to be really clear and vivid. so if my tv does only 1080, and i receive the ota 720p sign. what happens is my 1080i set de-nterlaces it and then makes the 720p lines and scales them to 1080 interlaced lines to my screen? is this correct? it still looks awesome.

john

Originally posted by trekkerj
jscnyc, what kind of tv do you have that you say ABC looked better than CBS?

Hello all.

I am formerly from New Jersey, but moved to Virginia about 9 years ago.

At Thanksgiving, we hope to make a trip be visit and stay with my grandparents. I will be bringing the digital tuner.

They are located in Fair Lawn, and I will be using my Silver Sensor + CM7777 unless I can figure out how to get a signal from the antenna they haven't used since 11-01.

Here's what I'm expecting based on what I've read, tell me if I'm correct:

56 WCBS-DT CBS Receivable
28 WNBC-DT NBC Receivable if on air
44 WNYW-DT FOX Receivable
45 WABC-DT ABC Receivable
38 WWOR-DT UPN WAAH! No UPN HD...
12 WPIX-DT TWB Not Sure
61 WNET-DT PBS Not Sure
22 WLIW-DT PBS Not Sure
24 WNYE-DT PBS Receivable
30 WPXN-DT PAX Receivable if STA is operating by then
40 WXTV-DT UNI Not Sure
47 WNJU-DT TEL Not on air?
52 WEDW-DT PBS Not Sure
51 WNJN-DT PBS Not Sure
27 WTBY-DT TBN Not Sure
57 WLNY-DT IND Not expecting it
08 WNJB-DT PBS Not Sure
48 WRNN-DT News Hopeful, but not sure (are they on yet?)
18 WMBC-DT ETH Not expecting it
29 WFME-DT REL Not Sure
23 WFTY-DT FUT Not expecting it
53 WFUT-DT FUT Not Sure

Thanks!

- Trip

For me, the 720p (i was watching 8 simple rules) looked MUCH softer compared to sitcoms on cbs. Same for MNF. Looked darn good, but still lacked something due to the conversion. I have a Toshiba 57hdx82, with my STB set to output 1080i. What size is your tv?

I have a 65" mits diamond series, I didn't catch that show but did catch the one after. I think it was "I'm with her" a chick show with alot of bright scenes w/alot of color. I thought it really looked great

j

Originally posted by trekkerj
For me, the 720p (i was watching 8 simple rules) looked MUCH softer compared to sitcoms on cbs. Same for MNF. Looked darn good, but still lacked something due to the conversion. I have a Toshiba 57hdx82, with my STB set to output 1080i. What size is your tv?

Originally posted by Trip in VA
Hello all.

I am formerly from New Jersey, but moved to Virginia about 9 years ago.

At Thanksgiving, we hope to make a trip be visit and stay with my grandparents. I will be bringing the digital tuner.

They are located in Fair Lawn, and I will be using my Silver Sensor + CM7777 unless I can figure out how to get a signal from the antenna they haven't used since 11-01.

Here's what I'm expecting based on what I've read, tell me if I'm correct:

56 WCBS-DT CBS Receivable
28 WNBC-DT NBC Receivable if on air
44 WNYW-DT FOX Receivable
45 WABC-DT ABC Receivable
38 WWOR-DT UPN WAAH! No UPN HD...
12 WPIX-DT TWB Not Sure
61 WNET-DT PBS Not Sure
22 WLIW-DT PBS Not Sure
24 WNYE-DT PBS Receivable
30 WPXN-DT PAX Receivable if STA is operating by then
40 WXTV-DT UNI Not Sure
47 WNJU-DT TEL Not on air?
52 WEDW-DT PBS Not Sure
51 WNJN-DT PBS Not Sure
27 WTBY-DT TBN Not Sure
57 WLNY-DT IND Not expecting it
08 WNJB-DT PBS Not Sure
48 WRNN-DT News Hopeful, but not sure (are they on yet?)
18 WMBC-DT ETH Not expecting it
29 WFME-DT REL Not Sure
23 WFTY-DT FUT Not expecting it
53 WFUT-DT FUT Not Sure

Thanks!

- Trip You should probably be able to receive 51 WNJN-DT. I really enjoy watching the national PBS feed when they carry it - between 8 and midnight. There have been times when they didn't carry it; I believe it was because the feed only had the HD demo at the time. They have 5 sub-channels, though when the national feed is available, only 3 are present. The national feed sub-channel (51-5) is always present, but there will be nothing on the sub-channel outside of the 8-midnight range.

48 WRNN-DT is on the air, though just about every time I pass by that station there is an infomercial on. They were showing a college football game last Saturday, but the picture quality left a lot to be desired. (I don't think it was a recent game.) As Murphy's Law dictates - that is the station which my tuners receive the strongest signal strength (over 70 on the RCA DTC-100, while CBS on that same tuner only comes in at about 40). It's probably because their origin is to the North (relative to me) and there are fewer obstructions.

WWOR-DT (UPN affiliate) is currently a sub-channel on WNYW-DT's 44. The picture quality is usually very disappointing.

Originally posted by Alan Malka
You should probably be able to receive 51 WNJN-DT. I really enjoy watching the national PBS feed when they carry it - between 8 and midnight. There have been times when they didn't carry it; I believe it was because the feed only had the HD demo at the time. They have 5 sub-channels, though when the national feed is available, only 3 are present. The national feed sub-channel (51-5) is always present, but there will be nothing on the sub-channel outside of the 8-midnight range.

The problem is, how far away is their micro-transmitter from Fair Lawn? I'm concerned it won't make it.

48 WRNN-DT is on the air, though just about every time I pass by that station there is an infomercial on. They were showing a college football game last Saturday, but the picture quality left a lot to be desired. (I don't think it was a recent game.) As Murphy's Law dictates - that is the station which my tuners receive the strongest signal strength (over 70 on the RCA DTC-100, while CBS on that same tuner only comes in at about 40). It's probably because their origin is to the North (relative to me) and there are fewer obstructions.

I think they only run news during primetime.

WWOR-DT (UPN affiliate) is currently a sub-channel on WNYW-DT's 44. The picture quality is usually very disappointing.

I know. Boo-hoo. At least UPN will be clear for me, which is a big change. My nearest UPN digital that isn't at flea-power is 110 miles, but it's so screwed up I can't decode it. The one after that is 125 miles and HD in Virginia Beach. So any quality's fine, as long as it's not snowy. I won't notice.

- Trip

I have lost all reception of fox, sub ch wor & 7.01 .02 the only one is cbs dt, but that also dropped earlier. whats up, any testing? has anyone in the area noticing this. i mean cbs dt ota has always been solid. thanks

john-

Originally posted by jscnyc
I have lost all reception of fox, sub ch wor & 7.01 .02 the only one is cbs dt, but that also dropped earlier. whats up, any testing? has anyone in the area noticing this. i mean cbs dt ota has always been solid. thanks

john-

Lost All Major Networks On SD D* from 8:06 to present
No WCBS, WNBC, WABC or FOX
Everything else is coming in as normal

I can get all of them, but the ESB ones are harder than usual to pick up, for some reason. But I CAN get 2-1, 5-1, 5-2, 7-1, and 7-2.

I noticed I lost WPIX-DT & CBS-DT dropped and came right back immediatly. I hope its further testing to include everyon getting good reception. if not im screwed.

j

Originally posted by trekkerj
I can get all of them, but the ESB ones are harder than usual to pick up, for some reason. But I CAN get 2-1, 5-1, 5-2, 7-1, and 7-2.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=322699

I don't get it, so what happened? According to that thread, there were no locals. I was watching Friends on cable and had no problems.

I live in central NJ and noticed over the last week or so that I can no longer obtain the CBS HDTV signal with my indoor RS bowtie anntena. Has anyone else experienced the same problem?

ABC HDTV (7.1) has just been great the last week...

Can anyone give an answer to why i no longer receive ch 7, 5 sub 9 and 11 ota? fox is fine via cable but NO ota.

Recently it was noted that most of the NY area broadcasters are not including guide data in their PSIP. At some point since then, WCBS-DT has started providing the guide; I happened to notice that on Saturday. If my observations were correct, each entry had a program title and most of the entries had program descriptions.

I noticed the same thing. ABC has no program info WPIX has had it for a few months. Last week CBS had some incorrect psip data that was picked up by my zenith HDR230. It seemed to cause problems with my recorder. Thursday night from 8-11 showed the "price is right" each of the three hours

Bizarre situation tonight with channel 5 and channel 7.

Channel 5 appears as 5.01, 7.01, and 7.02 ????????

Channel 7 appears as 7.01 and 7.02.

If I input 7.01 I get the WABC HD PSIP (7.01) but the Fox channel 5 picture (5.01). If I go up one channel I again get WABC HD PSIP (7.01) and the ABC picture (HD). If I go up again I get the WABC SD PSIP (7.02) but I again receive the Fox channel 5 picture. If I again go up a channel I again get the WABC SD PSIP (7.02) and I now receive the WABC broadcast.

How can I have 2 different channels with the same PSIP ????

Has anyone else noticed this??

It certainly is nice to have Monday Night Football in HDTV, and a great game it was last night. In comparing it to the HDTV football available on CBS I have two observations. I am watching on a 50" Panasonic LCD RPTV. Native resolution is 720p. STB is T351 using DVI. I sit 9' away.

First it is clear that the blurry movement as a result (probably) of 1080i on CBS is much reduced and the motion which is so much part of a football game is given better reproduction on ABC. That was not much of a surprise, except that the difference is clearer than I had anticipated.

What does surprise me is that the picture generally (without considering the movement) is a good deal sharper on CBS. It is razor sharp even at my close viewing distance. Textures are more discernable. I write here only of live football broadcasts.

Since my TV is native 720p, and an extra conversion stage which I have done in the STB is required by the 1080i CBS transmision, I am at a loss to explain this observation.

Is the ABC equipment less sophisticated or up to date, anywhere from cameras on up to transmission? Any other explanation?

Has anyone else observed what I have?

Originally posted by uncertainty
I live in central NJ and noticed over the last week or so that I can no longer obtain the CBS HDTV signal with my indoor RS bowtie anntena. Has anyone else experienced the same problem?

ABC HDTV (7.1) has just been great the last week...

I am located in Union County and like you I can no longer receive CBS 56 using a 4228 with pre-amp and rotator. Its been about 2 weeks for me too. I can receive channels 44 and 45 without a problem.

My best guess is that I needed the leaves helped with the reception for 56 and now they are gone.

Maybe it's my altitude in Morris Plains (400 ft), but I get all of those just fine with my RS double bowtie without a preamp, in the middle of the room away from the windows. CBS comes in the strongest as usual. Leaves would hurt your signal, not help it, so I am confused.

According to the Zenith HD channel guide WNBC will be available on Channel 28 12/31/03 and WWOR on Channel 33 1/1/04.

http://titantvretailzone.com/rz/retailzone/WhatChannels.asp?pid=zenith

I think you meant channel 38 for WWOR. Channel 33 is the UHF channel for WPIX, currently broadcasting at low power on channel 12 (VHF).

I just hooked up OTA about 20 minutes ago. These channels are there* I'm not getting WABC however. 11216 Brooklyn


WPIX
WNYW
WCBS
Some spanish channel* WFUT??

They're probably not on the air right now. You'll probably have no problem getting them when they are on since WFUT-DT is at the same location as WABC-DT and at lower power.

I would not hold my breath for the 12/31/03 release date of NBC digital. That is sounding quite optomistic, and probably quite wrong.

I too, have lost CBS-HD channel 2-1. It was working fine along with 5-1 and now I only get it at about 20% on my SAT520, yet 5-1 is strong. They both come from the ESB. Channel 7-1 is about 25%, but I still don't get a picture. I am using a cheap Radio Shack Terk knockoff of the amplified wing mounted on a mast outside. I am going to install a CM4228 this weekend and hope for the best. I've tried numerous rescans, but still nothing. Just seems weird that 2-1 just dropped off the screen here in Little Falls, NJ and other places at about the same time.

Wayne

I dont know about that Dave, My Sat520 locked onto channel 4-1 sometime this week. They may be testing but I am certain I did not have it prior to Monday.

Last night was the first night I actually relaxed and watched some television and oddly enough as I was flipping through the channels, I had a blank screen and no signal but channel 4-1 was there!!

Maybe, just maybe.........

Actually, they should be on in a matter of weeks from the GE building. Perhaps as early as next week. Find the WNBC thread.

CBS has been fluctuating drastically for me lately (between 27 and 72% signal strength) and FOX (ch 44) has no signal at all. did I miss a thread on the reason behind the signal disappearance of FOX ?

BTW, ABC NY is at 24% signal strength which is OK because I get CT ABC at 100%

I've also had alot of fluctuation on WCBS-DT, although the Fox digital station and WABC-DT have remained steady. I don't know what's going on with WCBS-DT. But sometimes the signal is good, other times it drops into the "Bad" zone and I get frequent break-ups. This has been happening for the past two months, or so. I've spoken to the chief engineer there and he says everything is the same. :confused: :(

This morning I was getting a steady 100% from CBS 2-1, but wild fluctuatins from 30% to 80% on 5-1 and 5-2. They have been a problem for the last 1-2 weeks for me in sysoset.

Whats up everyone? I live in Brooklyn, NY and about 10-15 miles away from the ESB, I just wanted to know if u think i would be able to pick up wpix with a indoor antenna. Does the wpix broadcast on uhf or vhf? And what channel does it broadcast. Thanks for any help.

Wpix is on 11 and 12 on VHF. I get it OK with a "UHF" antenna by my window with line of sight to the ESB. People have reported problems getting it without a VHF antenna.

Originally posted by CMR
I dont know about that Dave, My Sat520 locked onto channel 4-1 sometime this week. They may be testing but I am certain I did not have it prior to Monday.

Last night was the first night I actually relaxed and watched some television and oddly enough as I was flipping through the channels, I had a blank screen and no signal but channel 4-1 was there!!

Maybe, just maybe.........

Not to burst your bubble, but you may have gotten that if your Zenith did a channel rebuild that you weren't aware of. Every time my Sony HD200 builds a new channel list after it reboots, there's channel 4.1

I have a direct line of sight to the ESB, but the signal only comes in about two bars on my receiver. can some one with a indoor antenna tell me what signal strength they get.thanks for the help.

Wow, that sucks. I live all the way out in Ossining and I use a Radio Shack double bow tie indoor antenna (2nd floor) and I get aprox. 70% signal strength for CBS (2.1) during prime time hours.
I just received my Silver Sensor antenna today and I'm looking forward to hooking that up tonight to see if I can receive ABC. Crossing fingers!!!

Originally posted by Ken Ross
Not to burst your bubble, but you may have gotten that if your Zenith did a channel rebuild that you weren't aware of. Every time my Sony HD200 builds a new channel list after it reboots, there's channel 4.1


"POP" :(

Well, I hooked up my new Silver Sensor last night. I still can't receive ABC. Bummer! I get a stronger signal on CBS went from an avg. of 70% signal strength to aprox 80% (lots of fluctuation). Fox was fluctuating more than usual but that might have something to do with the high winds last night.

Did anybody get wpix last night? Also, I have a indoor antenna and i don't know if it is uhf or vhf, but i was able to get some type of signal from wpix. Do u think if i changed to a indoor uhf/vhf antenna I would get the signal better? I get all the other channels loud and clear. Thanks for any help.

cgardias -

I live in Yonkers by cross county and get a great signal from ABC. Make sure you play around with the position of the Silver Sensor - it's highly directional! I find that I cannot always get both CBS and ABC at the same position - one will usually cut out so I need to have a position for each.

ABC should be a little bit more west (to the right from where we're looking) than CBS.... Also - try doing a re-scan of channels on your HD receiver - especially if it doesn't even list 7-1.

Give it a try and let us know.

Aaron

yes receiving the WB last night and now. bring on wnbc

john

Originally posted by ragingd
Did anybody get wpix last night? Also, I have a indoor antenna and i don't know if it is uhf or vhf, but i was able to get some type of signal from wpix. Do u think if i changed to a indoor uhf/vhf antenna I would get the signal better? I get all the other channels loud and clear. Thanks for any help.

Originally posted by jscnyc
yes....bring on wnbc
I heard that WNBC-DT had been planning to get the transmitter up and turn the switch on this weekend until the high winds we've had these last couple of days interfered.
I guess the guys at WNBC didn't think it was worth getting blown off the roof of the GE Building just to make a few impatient HDTV enthusiasts happy.:D

Originally posted by s2silber

I guess the guys at WNBC didn't think it was worth getting blown off the roof of the GE Building just to make a few impatient HDTV enthusiasts happy.:D

HEY!!! Thats what teathers are for!!! :D

cool, good to know. hope so.

j

Originally posted by s2silber
I heard that WNBC-DT had been planning to get the transmitter up and turn the switch on this weekend until the high winds we've had these last couple of days interfered.
I guess the guys at WNBC didn't think it was worth getting blown off the roof of the GE Building just to make a few impatient HDTV enthusiasts happy.:D

If the weather cooperates, I'm told those of us within range might see some NBC HD programming some time next week.:cool:

this is great news, the weather states temps will be climbing and the metro-area should hit 50 degrees. so they wont have a prob. and they can catch some rays ;)

j

Originally posted by s2silber
If the weather cooperates

Originally posted by s2silber
...those of us within range...

There's the rub. Who knows how far that range will reach.

Yes. We shall see what we shall see.

Originally posted by s2silber
If the weather cooperates, I'm told those of us within range might see some NBC HD programming some time next week.:cool:

Yeah--then I can see the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade in HD!

But then again...maybe I should just go out and see it in person....

Nyaaah....;)

Originally posted by John Chu
Yeah--then I can see the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade in HD!

But then again...maybe I should just go out and see it in person....

Nyaaah....;)

I was planning to go down and see my daughter march with her high school band - - but if it's gonna be in HD, maybe it's not worth freezing my ar$$ off.

jscnyc, what type of antenna are you using?

Originally posted by s2silber
If the weather cooperates, I'm told those of us within range might see some NBC HD programming some time next week.:cool:

Have we heard anything as to what the signal strenght might be. Will it be similar to WABC-DT ?

Thanks,

Scott

I'm using a terk 35 which i bleive is a dual antenna capable of uhf & vhf. I know its not the best but i'm so close and get all the ch. that are b'casting dt in the metro area so i never bothered changing it for a better one. but you should go w/ an outdoor ant. good luck

john

Originally posted by ragingd
jscnyc, what type of antenna are you using?

Stronger than WPIX's VHF Channel 12 signal, but weaker than WABC's digital Channel 45. He couldn't be more specific than that, but it doesn't look like they'll go to anything too powerful until the combiner's done at the Empire State Building.

Does anyone know how far the WPIX signal travels? Can anyone outside of the boroughs of NYC get a signal on WPIX-DT 12? I live about 23 miles north of the ESB and only get a 3 to a 6 on my E86 signal meter for WPIX. I have a UHF only antenna (4228) but I doubt I would be able to get a good signal with a VHF antenna since I am so far away.

If the Macy's parade is in HD it will be upconverted..... no HD truck.
You can watch it in spanish on Telemondo too.
GT

Originally posted by BuzaidC
Does anyone know how far the WPIX signal travels? Can anyone outside of the boroughs of NYC get a signal on WPIX-DT 12? I live about 23 miles north of the ESB and only get a 3 to a 6 on my E86 signal meter for WPIX. I have a UHF only antenna (4228) but I doubt I would be able to get a good signal with a VHF antenna since I am so far away.
I get a solid signal on WPIX from Bergen County a few miles north of Paramus. However, I'm using an outdoor antenna and the geography is rather flat between here and midtown - almost line of sight. I had some trouble due to the wind on Thursday, but it's usually fine.

Their temporary signal is only 125 watts to protect stations in other cities, so it's remarkable they get out as far as they do. You might stand a chance with a good outdoor antenna, but did you try rabbit ears indoors? If you happen to have a 300 ohm to 75 ohm converter and an FM dipole, you might want to try that. You never know.

Hey all,

I am looking for some help. I live in eastern LI and am unable to get ABC on any consistent basis. I have a great signal on fox and CBS, and get a "pulsating" signal from ABC. A few nights I was able to get a solid picture on ABC but nothing for the past 2 nights. any guess as to why or any info on low power transmissions for testing??? I know during the day they were testing, but I was able to watch MNF and Alias earlier in the week. BTW I have a Radio Shack uv120 antenna with a CM7777 pre-amp on a 10 foot mast.

Thanks

Scott

I have lost my signal of CBS 56 but I am getting 100 readings on 44 and 45. If 44 and 56 are both transmitting from the ESB how can this be explained?

Can you guys look at your signal meter for FOX (5.1) and UPN (5.2) and tell me if you are getting wild signal strength fluctuations? They use to be very steady for me. Since ABC went live they now vary wildly (30-70) with lots of dropouts. However, CBS, ABC, WPIX and WLIW are all very steady in the 90-100 range with my TS-160. Fox is 44 and WABC is 45 and I am wondering if the ABC signal is stepping on the FX signal.

Steven,

I'm out in Coram and right now I see a pretty steady 69 from CBS, 77-79 from Fox, 77 - 86 from UPN, a 30 from ABC with frequent drop outs and a solid 69 from WLIW. While it would be nice to get ABC from NY with more regularity, I do pick it up from CT (WTNH) with a pretty steady 93-100 signal level on my TS160 (CM 4228, Winegard 1713 highband VHF & CM7777 preamp). My signals tend to deteriorate in bad weather, with ABC-NY going first, followed by CBS. Fox and ABC-CT seem to be more reliable though. I think the issue may be multipath related given my distance from the ESB but it is odd that Fox seems to remain fairly constant.

- Charlie

Originally posted by beatles6
I have lost my signal of CBS 56 but I am getting 100 readings on 44 and 45. If 44 and 56 are both transmitting from the ESB how can this be explained?


Happy to report that CBS is now back at 100. They must have been off the air late last night.

Thanks everyone,

11216 Brooklyn here. I didn't mess with an indoor ant. Got a used antenna/balun on the roof top. Nothing special, UHF/VHF. 100ft RG6, no amp, E* 6000 reciever.

I'm getting WABC,cbs,wpix, fox @ above 80%. I would like to get a PBS too, without a rotor, if possible. Is there one broadcasting near the same angle?

hey- I just hooked up a Silver Sensor to my sony HD-200 -After rebooting it will not bring any OTA stations all I get is snow and on the digital stations I get "No Signal"- Moving the antenna does nothing_ What am I doing wrong???? thanks-

Originally posted by charlieg
Steven,

I'm out in Coram and right now I see a pretty steady 69 from CBS, 77-79 from Fox, 77 - 86 from UPN, a 30 from ABC with frequent drop outs and a solid 69 from WLIW. While it would be nice to get ABC from NY with more regularity, I do pick it up from CT (WTNH) with a pretty steady 93-100 signal level on my TS160 (CM 4228, Winegard 1713 highband VHF & CM7777 preamp). My signals tend to deteriorate in bad weather, with ABC-NY going first, followed by CBS. Fox and ABC-CT seem to be more reliable though. I think the issue may be multipath related given my distance from the ESB but it is odd that Fox seems to remain fairly constant.

- Charlie

My ABC signal is steady, it is FOX\UPN I am having a problem with. They use the same transmitter which is why I think it is their problem, not mine.
ABC is not a problem for me. CBS, FOX and UPN are all from the ESB so I know it is not my antenna pointing. So, if your FOX is steady, I am a little baffled about why this is happening. Of, course if you are farther away, signal interference with ABC might not be a problem for you since ABC is a lot less power than FOX and distance may mitigate interference.

hey people, this is weird. my mits w/a built in tuner now shows 4 wabc-dt ch. the usual 7.01 & .02. but there are another 2 ch 7.01 & .02 but on those ch cbs is on. the ch id clearly says 7.01 .02 WABC-DT but has cbs's programming on. could the virtual id's be srewed up? thanks

john

jscnyc


Sounds like it. Last night I had a weird situation happen I had a third WABC channel. The PSIP info said WABC-TV 7 analog but there was no sound or picture.

Originally posted by wward
Last night I had a weird situation happen I had a third WABC channel. The PSIP info said WABC-TV 7 analog but there was no sound or picture. I get the 3 WABC channels on my DCT-100. It appears that the PSIP is capable of identifying the analog station. When I tune to channel 7 it says WABC-TV and I get video and audio from the channel 7 analog transmitter.

I am in Staten Island and get a steady 100 on CBS, FOX and ABC. Has anyone noticed that CBS has been turning off their signal late at night?

haven;t noticed them powering down, as long as they are on when hd content is broadcasting. I havent stayed up late in a while working 2 jobs 12/hr shifts to afford to hang out in this hd club. but about those gremlins giving me 4 WABC-DT ch with 2 of them having WCBS-DT programming, cant they just chuck one up and give it to WNBC-DT....geez look at those giants,..aaAAGGHH

j

Originally posted by jscnyc
hey people, this is weird. my mits w/a built in tuner now shows 4 wabc-dt ch. the usual 7.01 & .02. but there are another 2 ch 7.01 & .02 but on those ch cbs is on. the ch id clearly says 7.01 .02 WABC-DT but has cbs's programming on. could the virtual id's be srewed up? thanks

john

Jscnyc:

See my earlier post about duplicate 7.01 and 7.02. The only difference is that I had channel 5 instead of channel 2. I have a Mitsubishi ws65907 with the Promise Module. I had the duplicate channel 7's for days thinking that it would resolve on its own but it didn't. Finally I re-scanned the digital channels and it was gone.

thanks mike, i'll try that.

john
Originally posted by UroDoc
Jscnyc:

See my earlier post about duplicate 7.01 and 7.02. The only difference is that I had channel 5 instead of channel 2. I have a Mitsubishi ws65907 with the Promise Module. I had the duplicate channel 7's for days thinking that it would resolve on its own but it didn't. Finally I re-scanned the digital channels and it was gone.

i need some help, I bought a new indoor antenna from RS(15-1852) and i get cbs, abc, and fox at top strength. I also get wpix and on my samsung sir-t151 it says its at top strength but i get alot of pixelation and audio dropouts every second. I live in brooklyn, NY and have a direct view to the ESB. I also tried a radio shack preamp to get a better signal but i still get the same problems. I really need some advice thanks.

Originally posted by ragingd
i need some help, I bought a new indoor antenna from RS(15-1852) and i get cbs, abc, and fox at top strength. I also get wpix and on my samsung sir-t151 it says its at top strength but i get alot of pixelation and audio dropouts every second. I live in brooklyn, NY and have a direct view to the ESB. I also tried a radio shack preamp to get a better signal but i still get the same problems. I really need some advice thanks.


I am in Staten Island and get the same readings as you on CBS, ABC and FOX. I get 60-65 on WPIX with the break ups. They are not transmitting at high power so there is really nothing you can do.

beatles6 / jscnyc

WCBS powers down their digtal transmitter at 1am for transmitter work that is being peformed at the ESB.

I'm curious, I re-scanned my mits all the ch came back w/the correct id's except for the wb, it came back but now the id says 12.02,.03.04.05.06 I dont get WPIX-DT on 11 no longer just on 12. I was wondering if anyone knew why it changed? not complaining glad I receive it at all and am thankful.

john

im just wondering why it would pixel and audio drop if we have good signal strength coming from the receiver

Just need some help and advise, I live in Long Beach NY, which is about 22 miles from midtown. I just got a HDTV and need to pick out an antenna. From my roof I have a pretty clear shot to the city. Any suggestions, I would rather not have something that big, thanks.

I live about 22 miles north of New York and the ChannelMaster 3021 (4 bay bow tie) worked well in my location. It did better for me than the ChannelMaster 3023.

Originally posted by jschramm
Just need some help and advise, I live in Long Beach NY, which is about 22 miles from midtown. I just got a HDTV and need to pick out an antenna. From my roof I have a pretty clear shot to the city. Any suggestions, I would rather not have something that big, thanks.

The RadioShack 120" YAGI UHF/VHF should work fine for you. Take note that ATSC signals are very directional and you will either need someone to tell you where to point for max signal (an FRS radio works great for that) or use a rotor (Which is what I do). Use CBS to max your signal as they have a very strong consistent signal.

FYI, Newsday is reporting today that NBC will be broadcasting HD OTA this week. Yippee!!

Is there a Website Link to that Newsday Story ?

Originally posted by Keith
Is there a Website Link to that Newsday Story ?

Try the followiing:

Newsday Article (http://www.newsday.com/mynews/ny-plgear3547877nov18,0,1944115.column)

It's toward the bottom of the page.

Lets see if this works....
http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?csz=New+York%2C+NY+10112&state=NY&uzip=10112&ds=n&name=&desc=&ed=Zmkv8.p_0Tr0QSDXL_75.C75VcA4ViqfDZ7Eaep.CENYqz5ALPMpv0ZLv h_hkTlgR5EgLdLqZ8Vc4zw-&BFClick=&BFKey=&zoomin=yes&mag=7&resize=l
Resize map to "5" on the right.
Delorme Topo software gives terrain mapping.
Here is a map of roughly what the coverage area of WNBC-DT will be. I say roughly because it depends upon terrain. The northeast and northwest areas will be in shadows of mountain ranges. This is a conservative estimation. I think the contours might extend another 10 miles if you are lucky north.
GT

Originally posted by George Thompson
Lets see if this works....
http://maps.yahoo.com/maps_result?csz=New+York%2C+NY+10112&state=NY&uzip=10112&ds=n&name=&desc=&ed=Zmkv8.p_0Tr0QSDXL_75.C75VcA4ViqfDZ7Eaep.CENYqz5ALPMpv0ZLv h_hkTlgR5EgLdLqZ8Vc4zw-&BFClick=&BFKey=&zoomin=yes&mag=7&resize=l
Resize map to "5" on the right.
GT

Looks like to the EAST the cutoff will be Suffolk County...

I hope it goes at least a little more east, like to the
Sunken Meadow Parkway :)

Thanks GT ... but I'm hoping the range extends another 20-25 miles east or I'm out of luck.

That sucks...I guess I have to hope for my friendly cable company to provide NBC-DT for me.

...Oh wait, I'm serviced by Cablevision...I'm SOOL!:mad:

Keith, Charlie, I dont think you will have any luck if you are east of say, Elwood, Commack or Brentwood.

I'm in Kings Park, Just East of Elwood, and north of Brentwood,
I have good UHF Antenna & Amp with Rotor, so I have my fingers crossed :) WNBC-DT is my only hope, since WVIT-DT in CT is
still not on the air :(

My UHF Antenna picks up analog ch. 18 from NYC, and
thats at low power...

So, George, I'm looking at the GE Building from about four blocks south and one block west and I see two transmitters of some kind near the Doplar radar globe and a set of five over the "E" of the big "GE" sign. Which one is it?

Pictures from top the GE Building ( Summer 2002 )

Here is the Link to the 8 pictures:

http://www.knip2.com/nbc

Man, I haven't been up there in years. You have to go through the mens room in the Rainbow Room for access to the microwave rooms and roof...lol.
I'll see what I can do...
GT

Hi George - I've taken a look at your topo map and I'm between 5 to 10 miles south of the most southern point - on the Jersey coast(Ocean Twsp.). While I know this is only a conservative estimate of the coverage area, I find it a little tough to accept as I receive 2-1, 5-1, and 7-1 at 100% signal strength on my E-86 with an attic installed Yagi. On the other hand it may just be hopeful thinking on my part. :D

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Keith
[B]Pictures from top the GE Building ( Summer 2002 )

Staten Island looks like it's a field goal kick between the goal posts of the ESB and CN antennas which should mean a good signal from NBC.

Question about WPIX: 8 pm 11/18. Is anyone have severe problems with their signal??? E* 6000 says 80%. but can't lock audio and major freeze/blocks all the time. (it's the gilmore girls)

I've got to get this fixed before Angel tomorrow @ 9. People are coming over!!!

All other locals ala OTA/DTV are perfect above 80% too.

Originally posted by kaiming
Question about WPIX: 8 pm 11/18. Is anyone have severe problems with their signal??? E* 6000 says 80%. but can't lock audio and major freeze/blocks all the time. (it's the gilmore girls)

I've got to get this fixed before Angel tomorrow @ 9. People are coming over!!!

All other locals ala OTA/DTV are perfect above 80% too.

Yes, I already spoke to WPIX Engineering about this. They made some changes on Thursday of last week. Not sure if this will be fixed by Tomorrow Angel/Smallville.

Call WPIX Engineering and ask for Nick Doshie at 212-949-1100. Or try to speak with Rich or someone else in engineering.

When I call it seems like i'm the only one calling to complain. I can't do this alone guys, we need to all chip in.

same erratic sign. here. I'm calling if it helps. thanks bud

john

Originally posted by Linux23
Yes, I already spoke to WPIX Engineering about this. They made some changes on Thursday of last week. Not sure if this will be fixed by Tomorrow Angel/Smallville.

Call WPIX Engineering and ask for Nick Doshie at 212-949-1100. Or try to speak with Rich or someone else in engineering.

When I call it seems like i'm the only one calling to complain. I can't do this alone guys, we need to all chip in.

George - thanks for your map and info. Looks like it will be iffy in the Morristown area. Oh well, only time will tell.

Rick

Originally posted by jscnyc
same erratic sign. here. I'm calling if it helps. thanks bud

john

great going. maybe if we get enough people to call, the WB engineers will get their act together and stop making changes to how they transmit their signal everyweek.

freakin annoying, the WB just cost me like $500.

Same here. Ill call in the morning.

Originally posted by jscnyc
same erratic sign. here. I'm calling if it helps. thanks bud

john

hey all, ok I spoke to Nick at WPIX got his direct # from the receptionist, I called about 5 times trying to get him directly. He seemed like a nice guy and apologized for the inconvinience. He stated that they had a problem w/verizon ans it should be cleared up this a.m. I told him I was stopping at home around 2 and would take a look he asked if I could call him and let him know. as I'm looking at WPIX-DT right now it looks a lot better then yesterday.I'm going to call him and let him know this.

I invited him to avs and he said he was familiar and reads the posts from time to time. I also reinterated some people where disapointed in the power of the WB right now. he said they can't go to full power till they get to the combiner and move to ther digi ch 33 early next year. thanks

john

Originally posted by Linux23
Yes, I already spoke to WPIX Engineering about this. They made some changes on Thursday of last week. Not sure if this will be fixed by Tomorrow Angel/Smallville.

Call WPIX Engineering and ask for Nick Doshie at 212-949-1100. Or try to speak with Rich or someone else in engineering.

When I call it seems like i'm the only one calling to complain. I can't do this alone guys, we need to all chip in.

And with the weather being what it is, no way I'm getting WPIX out here tonight for Angel. :(

Called today, Nick said that they seem to have fixed it, it was a transport problem. Checked it out on my CRT projector... cool... sharon osborne has a talk show... No hits, no blocks, no errors.

Go Team Angel!!!!

kaiming, what type of antenna are you using?

I'm using a rooftop ant. that a neighbor gave to me. Generic old VHF/UHF. Location 11216.

If anyone wants to watch Angel tonite LMK. We have 8" CRT projector here. Having people over is the best way I know not to feel terrible about not being able to record or timeshift.

Originally posted by George Thompson
Keith, Charlie, I dont think you will have any luck if you are east of say, Elwood, Commack or Brentwood.

Selfishly, I like that description better than the map. I'm just east of the map (Huntington Station, right near Rte 110 & Jerich Tpke) and west of Elwood. I'm getting ABC at 100%, but rarely get PIX (it might be more than rarely, but I rarely try to get PIX).

Getting NBC, now that they have more on than Leno would be a very nice early Christmas present.

thanks for helping me get this WPIX-DT situation under control guys. i honestly didn't notice there was a problem until this week because i work nights, and record all of my WB shows. when I get home, i assume it's the recording that's screwed up. whoever watches the WB, if you see a problem either let me know or just give the Engineers at the WB a ring, they are nice people.

**NOW** onto Smallville tonight. :D

Originally posted by Linux23
....give the Engineers at the WB a ring, they are nice people.
:D
Interesting you should mention that about WPIX's broadcast engineers. As just another ordinary viewer, I've called engineers at almost all of the major NYC stations and found all of them to be friendly, engaging, informative and, as you say, just "nice people." That's a far different experience than what you get calling alot of other representatives at outfits in New York.:)

It was a pleasure for me and I learned a bit. Nick and I conversed a bit and I asked him why did the virtual id's changed, he didn't realize that another engineer changed something and he couldn't beleive I was now getting the WB from ch 12 all the way to 12.06. he said he'd check into that. its great helping another hd'er in the pursuit of a happy smile:)

john

Originally posted by Linux23
thanks for helping me get this WPIX-DT situation under control guys. i honestly didn't notice there was a problem until this week because i work nights, and record all of my WB shows. when I get home, i assume it's the recording that's screwed up. whoever watches the WB, if you see a problem either let me know or just give the Engineers at the WB a ring, they are nice people.

**NOW** onto Smallville tonight. :D

kaiming
im live in brooklyn to but I have a indoor antenna. I get the wpix, but it has audio drops and it pixelates on me every second. But my signal strength comes in strong with my samsung. Location is 11226

anyone notice cbs and abc signal jumping up and down at the moment? I got it down to 20% and lots of break ups....hope it's just the rain and it will be back intime for the Victoria secret show....report if you have any problem

ABC and FOX were fine here, as usual, while WCBS went black. Fortunately I can pick up Philly CBS and am happily watching (and recording) Victoria's Secret right now. I posted a new thread about this on the Local HDTV forum.

Rick

Originally posted by jscnyc
It was a pleasure for me and I learned a bit. Nick and I conversed a bit and I asked him why did the virtual id's changed, he didn't realize that another engineer changed something and he couldn't beleive I was now getting the WB from ch 12 all the way to 12.06. he said he'd check into that. its great helping another hd'er in the pursuit of a happy smile:)

john

looks like the stuttering issue has cropped up again. it seems like every wednesday night, this issue repeats itself. i'm gonna check again in the morning, and if it's the same problem i will call Nick back and pinpoint why this keeps happening.

Originally posted by andyng
anyone notice cbs and abc signal jumping up and down at the moment? I got it down to 20% and lots of break ups....hope it's just the rain and it will be back intime for the Victoria secret show....report if you have any problem

That's strange. Out in the boondocks of LI, I found it strange the in spite of the rain, I had BETTER signal on CBS and ABC than normal (FOX is always the same for me) and it stayed there all night. I thought it was a Tropo effect, but saw nothing on the Hepburn web site.

Anyone else confirm in LI?

I had a couple of dropouts on CBS last night but not enough to force me to switch to SD DirecTV. Signal strength was higher than I would have expected given the weather. Perhaps it was the wind (moving my antenna around) more than anything else that caused the minor problems I did see.