@LenL: Its a harsh reality that advertisement based models are not going to work these days with so many avenues of entertainment. It may have worked before when there were few choices of entertainment and few good shows with people sticking around these shows. Now a days people have so many options, internet, streaming media, viral videos that its simply difficult to convince business to spend more money on advertisement which only few people will watch. Ask yourself: when you do google search it embeds so many advertisement around your search result.. how many times do you care to look at those advertisements or even click through those links. Subscription based services provides steady stream of revenues and provides jobs to many people. Have you heard the latest news about Hulu? Hulu is also thinking of going to subscription model because obviously they can't sustain with a ad supported model. There is a cost to these programming content and somebody has to pay for it. The big-4 Network TV are still surviving because, people still watch them and follow them. But the fact is, a major part of their(big-4) revenue comes of cable service provider and satellite service provider. I have heard that 60% of their revenue comes from them. The cable service providers have such a upper hand that, hulu (joint venture between FOX and NBC) had to block Boxee (a media aggregator application for Mac/Linux and soon windowws) to access its content. The reason was that Boxee was percieved as a threat to the cable's subscription based model and cable service provider pressured FOX and NBC to block Boxee to aceess Hulu. Until and unless people in droves dump their cable and satellite and become exclusively OTA, ad supported OTA television content are not going to see any major change. And all these ramblings are coming from me with no cable/satellite service at my home. I am quite satisfied with OTA and its programming content. In fact I have so many shows scheduled and recorded in my HTPC (72 hrs of content of NJN PBS and other shows from the big network TVs), but still doesn't find any time to watch all these shows. I end up watching whatever is coming live. If I don't find anything worth watching, then only I watch those pre-recorded shows. I am pretty excited now that I will be able to get WNET 13 after June 12. I think their content is better than NJN PBS and have more HD shows compared to NJN. I think what might happen in the following years is that we might see a channel like TVLAND airing old shows or old movies. That'd be a real treat. Its already happening in few OTA market. It might happen in NYC market too.

All good points I can't argue with...but I can dream can't I. My wish is OTA grows as more people find it has HD and the networks rethink the limited programming and before I pass on, we get some more great programming......

@LenL: Its a harsh reality that advertisement based models are not going to work these days with so many avenues of entertainment. It may have worked before when there were few choices of entertainment and few good shows with people sticking around these shows. Now a days people have so many options, internet, streaming media, viral videos that its simply difficult to convince business to spend more money on advertisement which only few people will watch. Ask yourself: when you do google search it embeds so many advertisement around your search result.. how many times do you care to look at those advertisements or even click through those links. Subscription based services provides steady stream of revenues and provides jobs to many people. Have you heard the latest news about Hulu? Hulu is also thinking of going to subscription model because obviously they can't sustain with a ad supported model. There is a cost to these programming content and somebody has to pay for it. The big-4 Network TV are still surviving because, people still watch them and follow them. But the fact is, a major part of their(big-4) revenue comes of cable service provider and satellite service provider. I have heard that 60% of their revenue comes from them. The cable service providers have such a upper hand that, hulu (joint venture between FOX and NBC) had to block Boxee (a media aggregator application for Mac/Linux and soon windowws) to access its content. The reason was that Boxee was percieved as a threat to the cable's subscription based model and cable service provider pressured FOX and NBC to block Boxee to aceess Hulu. Until and unless people in droves dump their cable and satellite and become exclusively OTA, ad supported OTA television content are not going to see any major change. And all these ramblings are coming from me with no cable/satellite service at my home. I am quite satisfied with OTA and its programming content. In fact I have so many shows scheduled and recorded in my HTPC (72 hrs of content of NJN PBS and other shows from the big network TVs), but still doesn't find any time to watch all these shows. I end up watching whatever is coming live. If I don't find anything worth watching, then only I watch those pre-recorded shows. I am pretty excited now that I will be able to get WNET 13 after June 12. I think their content is better than NJN PBS and have more HD shows compared to NJN. I think what might happen in the following years is that we might see a channel like TVLAND airing old shows or old movies. That'd be a real treat. Its already happening in few OTA market. It might happen in NYC market too.

Over 35 million people USE OTA. Not a very small market. BUT a untapped market for a 24/7 movie or news station

@LenL: I think what might happen in the following years is that we might see a channel like TVLAND airing old shows or old movies. That'd be a real treat. Its already happening in few OTA market. It might happen in NYC market too.


That is going to happen and soon. The word is that WSAH channel 42 in Bridgeport is switching to a classic TV format via Retro TV. Channel 42 is available on most area cable systems including DirecTV and has a application to move their transmitter to Empire in NYC. If approved by the commission their signal will be available OTA to the general NY market viewer.



http://www.stationindex.com/tv/callsign/WSAH

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_list.pl

http://www.myretrotv.com/

If approved by the commission their signal will be available OTA to the general NY market viewer.

Unless you live in New Jersey.

- Trip

That is going to happen and soon. The word is that WSAH channel 42 in Bridgeport is switching to a classic TV format via Retro TV. Channel 42

according to this page (http://www.myretrotv.com/programming.html), RetroTV is broadcast over-the-air in Albany as a sub-channel of ABC. very interesting. i wouldnt mind if WABC 7 dropped the Weather channel like WNBC 4 did.

Over 35 million people USE OTA. Not a very small market. BUT a untapped market for a 24/7 movie or news station

"untapped" is really the best way to describe it! i'm sure more channels will come up as bandwidth is available and waiting to be used.

Retro TV Finds A Home In New York
http://www.tvnewsday.com/articles/2009/06/04/daily.3/

and btw, they are already available on cable. so a cable channel can go over-the-air.

Unless you live in New Jersey.

- Trip

That depends. I realize that they will be somewhat directional towards Bridgeport, but using real world conditions if we were to compare their coverage to that of WNYZ, which is highly directional, but puts in a terrific signal from it's transmiter site in Queens, the NYC market will be well serviced.

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=LD1113032.html


If WSAH gets their wish this will be their coverage map. If the FCC approves this, the NY market which includes suburban NJ will be well served.

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=DT1269857.html

That depends. I realize that they will be somewhat directional towards Bridgeport, but using real world conditions if we were to compare their coverage to that of WNYZ, which is highly directional, but puts in a terrific signal from it's transmiter site in Queens, the NYC market will be well serviced.

Um... if you look at the proposed pattern for WSAH, it is highly directional. Has to protect WTXF-DT in Philly.

If WSAH gets their wish this will be their coverage map. If it came to this the NY market which includes suburban NJ will be well served.

And those maps are hopelessly flawed.

Much of New Jersey would get 1.21 kW. That is, if you don't get WNET-DT now, your chances of receiving WSAH-DT are VERY small, as it will be 10 dB weaker than that.

- Trip

If Hulu was to charge content then screw them. I will never visit them again. I pay $41 dollars a month and I got to pay more. I will just watch the shows I missed on the network sites.

Another topic. How does high VHF carry with noise. Yesterday I had it tuned to analog and for about 10 minutes I was getting static noise on the picture. It was on the UHF channels up to channel 41 analog. Digital channel 25 which RF channel is channel 24 was breaking up. Also channel 11 RF channel 33 was breaking up. But channel 47 RF channel 36 was not breaking up because I get is so strong. Channel 66 RF 29 was not breaking up but channel 4 RF channel 28 was breaking up a bit. I am worried that high VHF might be worse when it comes to impulse noise. I don't know where the noise came from but it went away after 10 minutes and those channels were fine analog and digital.

Um... if you look at the proposed pattern for WSAH, it is highly directional. Has to protect WTXF-DT in Philly.



And those maps are hopelessly flawed.

Much of New Jersey would get 1.21 kW. That is, if you don't get WNET-DT now, your chances of receiving WSAH-DT are VERY small, as it will be 10 dB weaker than that.

- Trip
WSAH main shows is a HOME shopping station. Do you think that will be a Sub station of 43.1? I mean will we get more then one channel out of the deal

Home shopping and Retro TV?

To bad no movies, just seems like old shows. Better then Religious stuff

WSAH main shows is a HOME shopping station. Do you think that will be a Sub station of 43.1? I mean will we get more then one channel out of the deal

Home shopping and Retro TV?

To bad no movies, just seems like old shows. Better then Religious stuff

It's been announced that RTN will be on 43-1.

I'm sure This TV will eventually come to New York. That will be your old movie channel you are anxiously seeking.

- Trip

It's been announced that RTN will be on 43-1.

I'm sure This TV will eventually come to New York. That will be your old movie channel you are anxiously seeking.

- Trip

Thanks trip but two questions my friend.

1) Will there be a Sub channel to 43.1 or just the one channel?

2) The links for retro TV does not show movies I am only seeing old TV shows? Am I wrong? Got link to the movies?

Here's a link to THIS TV's site. They show old movies on numerous sub channels throughout the country hxxp://this.tv/

Here's a link to THIS TV's site. They show old movies on numerous sub channels throughout the country hxxp://this.tv/
I know about this.tv We are talking about this new Retro TV station moving to EBS from CT (tower is moving)

Rip said it was also old movie station and I do not see that

ION shows some old movies. last week they aired "Assassins" and "Batman". they will show "Just Cause" this week. not enough movies, i know.... maybe TV 10/55 will go OTA too some day.

WLNY (TV 10/55) is OTA. Their signal just doesn't cover the city that well.

I don't know why but WMBC went from a good signal on Friday night to none at all now.

Thanks trip but two questions my friend.

1) Will there be a Sub channel to 43.1 or just the one channel?

There already is a subchannel. I think it's ethnic programming, but I'm not sure.

2) The links for retro TV does not show movies I am only seeing old TV shows? Am I wrong? Got link to the movies?

RTN does mostly old TV shows. I was referring to another network that does air movies. http://www.this.tv/ I imagine it'll be available in New York some time in the near future, though I don't know anything concrete.

- Trip

Rip said it was also old movie station and I do not see that

i just browsed their entire week programming on TitanTV and this is the only movie time i found:

Sat 5pm (To be Announced).

so apparently the answer is "no". RetroTV is comprised almost completely of old TV shows with a movie only once a week.

I get WSAH Channel 42 on Dish and all it is is all paid programming infomercial junk. If it becomes classic TV because anything is better than infomercials.

I get WSAH Channel 42 on Dish and all it is is all paid programming infomercial junk. If it becomes classic TV because anything is better than infomercials.

Why don't you need a Ronco Peeler?

I would have to agree.

I hope This tv comes to NYC soon. Wonder who would carry it?

Why don't you need a Ronco Peeler?

I would have to agree.

I hope This tv comes to NYC soon. Wonder who would carry it?

Tribune (owner of WPIX) carries it in a few places, but does not have more than one additional subchannel on any of its stations. If they were to pick it up, they'd drop LATV to do it. That is to say--if the ratings are good on LATV, don't expect This to show up there.

As for who would pick it up, that's a good question. I really do not know.

- Trip

Tribune (owner of WPIX) carries it in a few places, but does not have more than one additional subchannel on any of its stations. If they were to pick it up, they'd drop LATV to do it. That is to say--if the ratings are good on LATV, don't expect This to show up there.

As for who would pick it up, that's a good question. I really do not know.

- Trip

How about a avsforum STATION and we get to vote what goes on it? LOL

As for who would pick it up, that's a good question. I really do not know.

- Trip

Well if WNYW and WWOR decide to stop simulcasting each other on their subchannels, maybe one of them will pick it up.

Well if WNYW and WWOR decide to stop simulcasting each other on their subchannels, maybe one of them will pick it up.

No other Fox-owned stations have it. I wouldn't count on it.

- Trip

No other Fox-owned stations have it. I wouldn't count on it.

- Trip

I read that this channel 43.1 is Starting with RTV July 1st. So I wonder if the Transmitter will be in place on the ESB by then?

And that NJ pbs is also moving to ESB by Oct. Funny how OTA in NY is gaining stations. I think The Majors need to put some good content on their subs. They are really missing the boat here.

I read that this channel 43.1 is Starting with RTV July 1st. So I wonder if the Transmitter will be in place on the ESB by then?

Nope. The FCC has not acted on the application yet because of interference concerns with regard to WTXF-DT in Philly.

And that NJ pbs is also moving to ESB by Oct. Funny how OTA in NY is gaining stations. I think The Majors need to put some good content on their subs. They are really missing the boat here.

Not to ESB, but to Times Square.

- Trip

No other Fox-owned stations have it. I wouldn't count on it.

btw, since you seem to know, could you tell us which stations are CBS and FOX broadcasting in sub-channels in other parts of the country. it doesnt have to be a complete list, of course. just give us an idea.

Nope. The FCC has not acted on the application yet because of interference concerns with regard to WTXF-DT in Philly.



Not to ESB, but to Times Square.

- Trip

ESB or Times Square makes no difference for my aunt's reception. At 7 miles away it is excellent.

BTW she just told me as of 2 days ago TELEMUNDO 47.1 Has increased from pixelated picture and a signal strength to over 90. So they must of moved the transmitter to NYC early. It was planed by June 12th.

My aunt likes this station and is happy it is now watchable.

i just checked the "Main/Sub-channel" situation in other areas using RabbitEars's (http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php) market information. now i'm sure we'll get more and better channels in the future. we might never get MSNBC over-the-air, but we'll likely get something else (such as ThisTV) since there's a lot of room to grow.

for example: 1) FOX and MY9 are currently backing up each other on sub-channels 5.2 and 9.2. if they stop that, there's room for 2 new stations. 2) CBS is not using any sub-channel.

WHDH BOSTON airs NBC on main and ThisTV on sub.
WPHL PHILADELPHIA airs MyN on main and ThisTV on sub.
KRON SAN FRANCISCO airs MyN at 720p on main and MyN 480i on sub.
WXYZ DETROIT airs ABC on main and RetroTV on sub.
WDIV DETROIT airs NBC on main and ThisTV on sub.
WUSA WASHINGTON DC airs CBS on main and Weather on sub.
WDCW WASHINGTON DC airs CW on main and ThisTV on sub.
KIRO SEATTLE airs CBS on main and RetroTV on sub.
KTCI ST. PAUL MN airs PBS on main and Weather on sub.

Adding Albany stations to the List:


WRGB 39 - 6.1(CBS), 6.2 (ThisTV)
WTEN 26 - 10.1(ABC), 10.2 (Weather), 10.3 (RealTV)
WMHT 34 - 17.1(PBS), 17.2 (ThinkBright), 17.3 (World)
WXXA 7 - 23.1(FOX), 23.2(Untamed Sports TV)
WCWN 43 - 45.1(CW), 45.2(Universal Sports)
WNYT 12 - 13.1(NBC), 13.2(Weather), 13.3(Weather)


Sure, this is out of the NYC Market, but with a good antenna, those north of Mt. Beacon or along the Hudson might be able to pick them up.

i just checked the "Main/Sub-channel" situation in other areas using RabbitEars's (http://www.rabbitears.info/market.php) market information. now i'm sure we'll get more and better channels in the future. we might never get MSNBC over-the-air, but we'll likely get something else (such as ThisTV) since there's a lot of room to grow.

for example: 1) FOX and MY9 are currently backing up each other on sub-channels 5.2 and 9.2. if they stop that, there's room for 2 new stations. 2) CBS is not using any sub-channel.

WHDH BOSTON airs NBC on main and ThisTV on sub.
WPHL PHILADELPHIA airs MyN on main and ThisTV on sub.
KRON SAN FRANCISCO airs MyN at 720p on main and MyN 480i on sub.
WXYZ DETROIT airs ABC on main and RetroTV on sub.
WDIV DETROIT airs NBC on main and ThisTV on sub.
WUSA WASHINGTON DC airs CBS on main and Weather on sub.
WDCW WASHINGTON DC airs CW on main and ThisTV on sub.
KIRO SEATTLE airs CBS on main and RetroTV on sub.
KTCI ST. PAUL MN airs PBS on main and Weather on sub.




I hear CBS will NEVER have subs due to Quality issues for the main channel. I hope they change and put 1 sub in. In SD

Hopefully, network executives are watching this thread for people's wishlist. Even I would like to have thisTV. Also, fan of retro shows can already enjoy few popular shows in 11.1 late night and there are few shows in ION I think. Obviously you need a HTPC/DVR or TR-40/Zinwell CECB coupled with VCR/DVD-recorder to record these shows late at night if you don't plan to watch them late at night. WGN (owned by the same management as PIX11 - Tribune I think) have lot of retro shows/movies in their library and they can add all these shows any time they wish and if they find a market for these shows. Plus its cheaper to broadcast these retro shows because the cost to run these shows should be absolute minimum. Also now a days, My9 and ION have started to broadcast lot of movies in HD uring primetime.

The only network who have commited to add a new sub is I think NYC TV (25.x). In all their DTV advert, they mentioned that they will convert 25.1 to HD and add new channels to their lineup. Not sure whether they will be able to meet their ambitious plan or not.

Interestingly, today around 1 or so, channels 13 11 and 9 dropped for about four-five minutes. OTA 2, 4, 5 and 7 were normal.

The signals came back on channel 9, 11 then 13, with 9 showing low power and a double image before power came back up.

No mention "this is a test" or such.

That is going to happen and soon. The word is that WSAH channel 42 in Bridgeport is switching to a classic TV format via Retro TV. Channel 42 is available on most area cable systems including DirecTV and has a application to move their transmitter to Empire in NYC. If approved by the commission their signal will be available OTA to the general NY market viewer.


I can tell you for fact that WSAH is not on TWC at least in city limits.

ESB or Times Square makes no difference for my aunt's reception. At 7 miles away it is excellent.

BTW she just told me as of 2 days ago TELEMUNDO 47.1 Has increased from pixelated picture and a signal strength to over 90. So they must of moved the transmitter to NYC early. It was planed by June 12th.

My aunt likes this station and is happy it is now watchable.

Yeah, I noticed that too. I used to have trouble getting that station, then a couple of nights ago I did a re-scan and noticed it is way up there in signal strength.

btw, since you seem to know, could you tell us which stations are CBS and FOX broadcasting in sub-channels in other parts of the country. it doesnt have to be a complete list, of course. just give us an idea.

As lexus2108 already said, CBS-owned stations like WCBS have no subchannels to preserve quality for HD.

Fox-owned stations have nothing but weather in the few places they have subchannels.

As for subchannels, I see the big ones as:

Universal Sports
RTN
This TV
LATV
MHz WorldView (PBS stations only; I'm hoping it ends up on WNYE-DT, it would fit well there)

Plus the PBS subchannels (Create, World, and V-Me) which are already spoken for.

Untamed Sports seems like a waste, and their schedule looks to be heavy on infomercials. A lot of the rest have very limited coverage.

BTW she just told me as of 2 days ago TELEMUNDO 47.1 Has increased from pixelated picture and a signal strength to over 90. So they must of moved the transmitter to NYC early. It was planed by June 12th.

I don't think they moved it yet. They asked the FCC to allow them to put up another transmitter at 150 kW directional east toward Long Island.

- Trip

As lexus2108 already said, CBS-owned stations like WCBS have no subchannels to preserve quality for HD.

Fox-owned stations have nothing but weather in the few places they have subchannels.

As for subchannels, I see the big ones as:

Universal Sports
RTN
This TV
LATV
MHz WorldView (PBS stations only; I'm hoping it ends up on WNYE-DT, it would fit well there)

Plus the PBS subchannels (Create, World, and V-Me) which are already spoken for.

Untamed Sports seems like a waste, and their schedule looks to be heavy on infomercials. A lot of the rest have very limited coverage.



I don't think they moved it yet. They asked the FCC to allow them to put up another transmitter at 150 kW directional east toward Long Island.

- Trip

Well Queens is east of NYC so that must be it

Queens may be east of Manhattan, but it is in NYC.

How's the situation there in NYC with ABC and Live Well HD bitrates?

Most things on 7.1 now look like pictures from Barbara Walters' close-up camera!

Quite honestly, expected worse - but what a waste!!!!!!

We quickly approach shutdown in NYC. :D

Is anyone aware of the exact times when the NY stations, 2, 4, 5, 7, 11 and 13 are actually going to cut to digital ?

Are any stations planning a "sign-off" or is it going to be a flash cut ?

Any nitelight service here in NYC ?

As a ham operator, I look forward to a "birdie-free" six meter band.

And yes, the prior poster is correct. WABC looks like crap with the LiveBlurry signal on 7.2. I used to see no real difference between the HD signals on the evening news, but now 7.1 looks not so good. I even compared some "Grey's Anatomy" recorded on DVR prior to and after the change.

Yuk.

We quickly approach shutdown in NYC. :D

Is anyone aware of the exact times when the NY stations, 2, 4, 5, 7, 11 and 13 are actually going to cut to digital ?

Are any stations planning a "sign-off" or is it going to be a flash cut ?

Any nitelight service here in NYC ?

As a ham operator, I look forward to a "birdie-free" six meter band.

And yes, the prior poster is correct. WABC looks like crap with the LiveBlurry signal on 7.2. I used to see no real difference between the HD signals on the evening news, but now 7.1 looks not so good. I even compared some "Grey's Anatomy" recorded on DVR prior to and after the change.

Yuk.

12:30 pm

SIgn off? Yeah....you poor schlubs who didnt listen to this incessant commercials? "buh bye"


What is nitelight service?

We quickly approach shutdown in NYC. :D

Is anyone aware of the exact times when the NY stations, 2, 4, 5, 7, 11 and 13 are actually going to cut to digital ?

Are any stations planning a "sign-off" or is it going to be a flash cut ?

Any nitelight service here in NYC ?

As a ham operator, I look forward to a "birdie-free" six meter band.

And yes, the prior poster is correct. WABC looks like crap with the LiveBlurry signal on 7.2. I used to see no real difference between the HD signals on the evening news, but now 7.1 looks not so good. I even compared some "Grey's Anatomy" recorded on DVR prior to and after the change.

Yuk.

I wonder about this too.. would they have a message play or just a flash cut?

73,
KB1QXO

9 and 5 "back up" each other with SD versions on their .2 subchannels.

So this means 9.2 is a SD version of 5.1, and 5.2 is a SD version of 9.1.


correct.. and when I watch king of queens at 6pm I have to switch to the 5-2 feed because the 9.1 is so broken up the signal is less then 30% at points..

All anyone has to do is to go the FCC site and check Correspondence.

Nevertheless, I've done it and here's what I've found.

The Commission does not demand a specific time to be given, there are dayparts that a station must choose - and here's how it affects the major stations in the New York DMA:

Afternoon = 12:01 p.m. - 6:00 p.m.

Evening = 6:01 p.m. - 11:59 p.m.


Afternoon - 2, 4, 7 and 13 - Note: 7 has announced in PSAs - 12:30 P.M for its change.

Evening - 5, 9 and 11

What doesn't make sense to me is that 2 (WCBS-DT) has chosen to vacate Channel 56 during the Afternoon. No interruption of "Letterman."

2 will be taking over 11's Channel 33, but WPIX-DT has chosen to leave Channel 33 during the Evening option to move to digital 11.

2 and 11 must be a coordinated move.

Trip or Falcon, what am I missing?

For some of our other local market stations:

Early AM - 31 (Midnight - 6AM)

Morning - 50, 58 (6AM - Noon)

Afternoon - 21

Evening - 25, 41, 47, 68

I'm really waiting for 47 and 21 to go digital thus they can boost their power and I can get both signals.

Looks like Univision took the idea of local Fox O&Os and applied it to WFUT. It's new subchannel is WXTV.

Also I got a question, why does NY Nonstop have a SD 16:9 shot fit into a 4:3? When I look at this on my HDTV, it annoys the heck me. I don's see the point of doing SD 16:9 unless they make it true 16:9.

Looks like Univision took the idea of local Fox O&Os and applied it to WFUT. It's new subchannel is WXTV.

Univision has been doing this for a LONG time in other markets, it's just new to New York.

- Trip

Looks like Univision took the idea of local Fox O&Os and applied it to WFUT. It's new subchannel is WXTV.

what's the advantage of that strategy?
and btw, what does "O&O" stand for?

"...what does "O&O" stand for?"

A station that is Owned and Operated by a network.

For example, WCBS, NY is an O&O station of CBS Broadcasting, Inc.

Appears the Combiner stations are, as of earlier this morning, using the backup antenna panels below the 86th floor. WABC may not have switched over to 4TS as of yet.

Something has happened with Channel 36 (47.1). While others are reporting that their reception of this channel is better than ever, my signal is too intermittent and too low to lock on.

Combiner is back feeding the main antenna!

Looks like Univision took the idea of local Fox O&Os and applied it to WFUT. It's new subchannel is WXTV.


WXTV is channel 41 right?

"WXTV is channel 41 right?"

Yes, but transmits digital using Channel 40 which remaps as 41 on your set.

"WXTV is channel 41 right?"

Yes, but transmits digital using Channel 40 which remaps as 41 on your set.

ok so WFUT is subing WXTV

Just like 5.1 subs 9.1?

Why would they sub another channel? I do not understand the reasoning.

Same ownership - Univision, as with Fox owning both 5 and 9.

Same ownership - Univision, as with Fox owning both 5 and 9.

So even though it is a sub. WFUT is subing WXTV

It is not a NEW channel. Just a copy.

What a shame:(

Come on FOX, give us Fox News on a sub!!!

Come on FOX, give us Fox News on a sub!!!

this idea has crossed my mind....but only for a tiny nanosecond. :D

Univision 41-1 became 68-2, wonderful

Univision 41-1 became 68-2, wonderful

Soon every station will be a sub for the other:mad::mad::mad:

I hope to pick some extra stations up with a rescan after the 12th.

Come on FOX, give us Fox News on a sub!!!

Ken H mentioned one time that Newscorp had plans for a Headline News type network for their subchannels. Don't know if it's still on the table, though.

Just a reminder for those of you who would like to report your before and after 6/12 results. I am using the format below but please use anything to show us what you got before and after.

It would be great if you can also tell us briefly where you are located and what equipement (antenna, TV, converter box, preamps etc) you are using.

I'm not getting all of these now but who knows what will happen after 6/12.

Also I see no point in reporting on the sub channels as their reception is tied to the primary anyway.


06/11/09 06/12/09 06/13/09
Station Net Ch Ch Sig lev Sig lev Sig lev
WCBSDT CBS 2.1 56/33
WNBCDT NBC 4.1 28
WNYWDT Fox 5.1 44
WABCDT ABC 7.1 45/7
WWORDTMyN 9.1 38
WPIXDT CW 11.1 33/11
WNETDT PBS 13.1 61/13
WLIWDT2 PBS 21.1 22
WNYEDT Ind 25.1 24
WFMEDT Ind 29.1 66
WPXNDT i 31.1 30
WXTVDT USI 41.1 40
WNJUDT HBC 47.1 36
WEDWDT PBS 49.1 52
WNJNDT PBS 50.1 51
WLNYDT Ind 55.1 57
WNJBDT PBS 58.1 8
WMBCDT Ind 63.1 18
WFTYDT Tel 67.1 23
WFUTDT Tel 68.1 53

The formatting got lost when it got posted but you get the idea....

Just a reminder for those of you who would like to report your before and after 6/12 results. I am using the format below but please use anything to show us what you got before and after.

It would be great if you can also tell us briefly where you are located and what equipement (antenna, TV, converter box, preamps etc) you are using.

I'm not getting all of these now but who knows what will happen after 6/12.

Also I see no point in reporting on the sub channels as their reception is tied to the primary anyway.


06/11/09 06/12/09 06/13/09
Station Net Ch Ch Sig lev Sig lev Sig lev
WCBSDT CBS 2.1 56/33
WNBCDT NBC 4.1 28
WNYWDT Fox 5.1 44
WABCDT ABC 7.1 45/7
WWORDTMyN 9.1 38
WPIXDT CW 11.1 33/11
WNETDT PBS 13.1 61/13
WLIWDT2 PBS 21.1 22
WNYEDT Ind 25.1 24
WFMEDT Ind 29.1 66
WPXNDT i 31.1 30
WXTVDT USI 41.1 40
WNJUDT HBC 47.1 36
WEDWDT PBS 49.1 52
WNJNDT PBS 50.1 51
WLNYDT Ind 55.1 57
WNJBDT PBS 58.1 8
WMBCDT Ind 63.1 18
WFTYDT Tel 67.1 23
WFUTDT Tel 68.1 53


You may want to make some corrections concerning the correct channel numbers once the transition takes place.

WLIW - 21

WFME - 29

WPXN - 31

WEDW - 49

WLNY - 47

WFUT - 30

Channel 51 will be the last channel assigned to television!

Today was the first day I was able to pick up WNYN-LP (39.1) digitally.

Ken H mentioned one time that Newscorp had plans for a Headline News type network for their subchannels. Don't know if it's still on the table, though.


I seems some folks are moving away from cable/sat to save a few bucks.(myself included). It think it would be great PR for the networks to provide their news channels on subs. I know it's unlikely but I shoot them an email every once in awhile for the hell of it.

Today was the first day I was able to pick up WNYN-LP (39.1) digitally.

& I can now receive them in Rockland County. That brings my number up to 51 digital channels. I'm thinking of moving my antenna to the roof and buying a rotor.

i think the table is over complicated. i'm only saying this because the lack of formatting will make it difficult to read. a few suggestions and an example table:

1) there's no need to point out new and old channel numbers. "virtual channel" number is enough.
2) also, either enter the call letters or the network. i prefer the network. call letters suck.
3) "underscores" can separate columns better than spaces.
4) no need to write sub-channels as their levels should be the same as the main channel, right?
5) the 2 readings should be taken at the same time of the day, preferably after sundown.
6) maybe the use of the "" tag can help formatting.


[code]

NET_______CH____LEV___LEV

NBC_______4.1___50%___75%
FOX_______5.1___40%___80%
NYCTV____25.1___70%___80%
ION______31.1___30%___50%
.
.
.
i'll make my readings tonight.

I'll use most of your ideas! I prefer using 2.1 to CBS.

Signal Test Spreadsheet (MS Excel)

I have attached the spreadsheet I use to test DTV signals throughout the country. I added NYC to this, for the post-transition setup. I left the other tabs available as examples on what I have done or for general info if anyone is interested.

Seems like WNYN is now also testing it's subchannels. I'm guessing Island Broadcasting (owner of WNYN and 4 other stations) do the same as Fox and Univision (with WFUT), but that is me speculating.

Seems like WNYN is now also testing it's subchannels. I'm guessing Island Broadcasting (owner of WNYN and 4 other stations) do the same as Fox and Univision (with WFUT), but that is me speculating.

How many subs?

How many subs?

4 sub channels (39.2-39.5)

4 sub channels (39.2-39.5)

Nything on them now? Or just preparing?

Another Attempt. You can use, modify, etc if it helps or ignore. The formatting still gets messed up when I paste it.

___________________6/11___6/12____6/13

NET_______CH_____LEV_____LEV____LEV

WCBS______2.1____00%_____00%____00%
WNBC______4.1____00%_____00%____00%
WNYW______5.1____00%_____00%____00%
WABC______7.1____00%_____00%____00%
WWOR______9.1____00%_____00%____00%
WPIX_______11.1____00%_____00%____00%
WNET______13.1____00%_____00%____00%
WLIW_______21.1____00%_____00%____00%
WNYE______25.1____00%_____00%____00%
WLIW______21.1____00%_____00%____00%
WFME______29.1____00%_____00%____00%
WPXN_____31.1____00%_____00%____00%
WXTV_____41.1____00%_____00%____00%
WNJU_____47.1____00%_____00%____00%
WNJN_____50.1____00%_____00%____00%
WLNY_____55.1____00%_____00%____00%
WNJB_____58.1____00%_____00%____00%
WMBC_____63.1____00%_____00%____00%
WFUT_____68.1____00%_____00%____00%

in there twice...so delete one if you use the template

in there twice...so delete one if you use the template

In order to get everything to line up correctly, you'd have to change to a fixed width font like courier new


1 2 3
4 5 6
7 8 9

Look at Falcon_77's post #8823 for a link to a highly professional NY DMA worksheet.

I bought a cheap $10 antenna (sorry?) from Best Buy on Sunday just to see what I could get. I got 5.1 easily but had issues with the others. Today , I also get 4.1 ,7.1 & 9.1 and their subchannels. I'm 15 miles east of Manhattan.

Note: I'm having signal issues with 68.1, if fiddle with the antenna and hold it , it comes in fine. Seems to be a Spanish Channel called "eTV"

Is WNBC forcing 4:3 on their OTA viewers with 4:3 analog televisions?

Up until today, I could use my Pal+ to change the aspect ratio on stations from "Normal" to "Full" to "Zoom". On WNBC, WCBS, WABC, etc etc, I could choose "Normal" and get their 16:9 broadcast picture in letterbox, which is what I prefer. Suddenly today, I get home from work, turn the set on, and I can no longer adjust the aspect ratio for WNBC 4.1 It seems that WNBC has added a broadcast flag to their signal that is overriding my box forcing my Pal+ to display 4.1 in "Zoom" mode, forcing me to watch programming in 4:3. WTF??? This PISSES ME OFF!!!::mad::mad::mad: It should be MY choice how I want to view the picture. Even though I have a 4:3 analog set, I want to see the 16:9 letterboxed picture!!! If I wanted to watch their broadcast in 4:3 I could "Zoom" it myself. I don't like WNBC forcing this decision on me, and none of the other stations are doing this! Anyone else in the NY area want to check it out on your set and see if you have the same issue??

Can anyone tell me if anything's on WNYN-LD's subchannels?

- Trip

Is WNBC forcing 4:3 on their OTA viewers with 4:3 analog televisions?

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2041/wnbcnn.png

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2041/wnbcnn.png

What kind of converter box do you have??? Was that picture taken this evening?

What kind of converter box do you have??? Was that picture taken this evening?

CM-7000, using the S-Video output.
screenshot taken tonight using analog Hauppauge PVR-250.

CM-7000, using the S-Video output.
screenshot taken tonight using analog Hauppauge PVR-250.

Thank you for doing that for me. I appreciate it very much.

Hmmm, well WNBC is the only channel I have this problem with. The others, as I said, I am able to adjust the aspect ratio. Any ideas what the issue may be? Anyone?

Can anyone tell me if anything's on WNYN-LD's subchannels?

- Trip

Trip -

Here goes:
39.2 - Infomercial Dubbed in Spanish

39.3 - Different Infomercial Dubbed in Spanish

39.4 - Same Programming as 39.3

39.5 - Same as 39.3 (Poorer PQ than .3 or .4)

39.6 - Same as Main Channel 39.1 (Appears to be same PQ at 39.1 -
PQ for these two channels - best of all)

39.7 - Same Programming at 39.3 (Poor PQ)

39.8 - Same as above

39.9 - Same as above


A lot of subs - too many! Most have very poor PQ and AQ.

Hope this helps.

Wow. I'd be curious to see what it looks like on TSReader.

- Trip

Okay, I reset my Pal+ to factory settings, and ran the whole set up again, and I don't have the problem anymore, I can set WNBC to "Normal" again and view the 16:9 picture.

Weird. Oh well. Thanks again.

EDIT: NOPE, I TAKE IT BACK! After less than a minute, WNBC reverted to "Zoom" and it's stuck again and I cannot put it back to "Normal". UGHHHHHHHH!! :mad::mad::mad:

EDIT: NOPE, I TAKE IT BACK! After less than a minute, WNBC reverted to "Zoom" and it's stuck again and I cannot put it back to "Normal". UGHHHHHHHH!! :mad::mad::mad:

maybe depends on the show that is on. right now they are airing Access Hollywood, which is 4:3.

maybe depends on the show that is on. right now they are airing Access Hollywood, which is 4:3.

It never used to matter what show was on. But my converter simply for some reason will not let me adjust the aspect ratio anymore for 4.1, and it's being set to "Zoom" automatically. I wonder if the Channel Master box you have ignores broadcast flags?

EDIT: Okay "I'm a Celebrity Get me Out of Here" just came on, and now I can adjust the aspect ratio back to "Normal". So maybe you are right, but if so, then this is something new, and it still doesn't explain why you were able to see "NBC Nightly News" in 16:9 but I was forced to watch in 4:3 and unable to switch it to "Normal". Same thing for the WNBC local news.

FYI...

(sorry for the spacing, etc. but dont have the patience to make tables)

Channel Station________Sign Off________Sign On

02________WCBS ______2PM
56________WCBS DT______1PM
33________WCBS DT_____________________1:30PM
04________WNBC ______12:30PM
05________WNYW ______11:59PM
07________WABC ______12:30PM
07________WABC DT_____________________12:30PM
09________WWOR ______11:59PM
11________WPIX ______12:30PM
33________WPIX DT ______1PM
11________WPIX DT_____________________12:30PM
61________WNET DT______12:30PM
13________WNET ______12:30PM
13________WNET DT_____________________12:30PM
21________WLIW ______12:30PM
25________WNYE ______Afternoon
31________WPXN ______?
41________WXTV ______11:59PM

Can anyone tell me if anything's on WNYN-LD's subchannels?

- Trip

I asked my aunt. Answer I got. Another sub with Spanish and one with a picture of some kind. Like a poster or painting. Then the others are Infomercials


Where you expecting (ThisTV) or a News channel? lol

So far I can not find one Sub worth watching

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/5397/signoff.png

source: http://www.myfoxny.com/subindex/about_us/dtv_change

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/5397/signoff.png

source: http://www.myfoxny.com/subindex/about_us/dtv_change

"What is your question for our engineer?"

I asked him for the best DELI in NYC. :D

___________________6/11___6/12____6/13

net_______ch_____lev______lev_____lev

wcbs______2.1_____60%_____00%____00%
wnbc______4.1____100%_____00%____00%
wnyw______5.1____100%_____00%____00%
wabc______7.1_____00%_____00%____00%
wwor______9.1_____90%_____00%____00%
wpix______11.1____60%_____00%____00%
wnet______13.1____00%_____00%____00%
wliw______21.1____00%_____00%____00%
wnye______25.1____70%_____00%____00%
wfme______29.1____00%_____00%____00%
wpxn______31.1____50%_____00%____00%
wxtv______41.1____90%_____00%____00%
wnju______47.1____00%_____00%____00%
wnjn______50.1____00%_____00%____00%
wlny______55.1____00%_____00%____00%
wnjb______58.1____00%_____00%____00%
wmbc______63.1____00%_____00%____00%
wfut______68.1____50%_____00%____00%

Ha ! have programmed the DVR's for sign off on analog 2, 5, 9 and 7. We'll see if it is flash cut or if anyone has a surprise or two. Checking youtube for shutoffs showed a wide variety of signoffs, ranging from retrospectives to "hiss".

well that helps.. right now fox 5 has a crawl going on the analog feed warning any remaining people who may think the switch is not going to happen..

(trust me people think it's just to get people worked up..)

5-1 is really broken up for me..

I'm really don't know if the signal levels are going to improve any after June 12th..

the funny thing is I thought the two stations 5 and 9 are they shutting off tonight or is it tomorrow night? I don't know if the 11:59Pm means tonight or tomorrow.

Ha ! have programmed the DVR's for sign off on analog 2, 5, 9 and 7. We'll see if it is flash cut or if anyone has a surprise or two. Checking youtube for shutoffs showed a wide variety of signoffs, ranging from retrospectives to "hiss".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4MaxAS31xw

and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgnAQVg_rME&feature=PlayList&p=00735B1BBFEE9970&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=7

From a different part of the country. Just shows you a few stations making the switch. I guess this is what we have to look forward too tomorrow

:mad::mad::mad:Screw WNBC and their aspect ratio #^¢&* broadcast flag:mad::mad::mad:

I'm calling their BOC tomorrow and complaining. It's so brainless. I fricken hate them.

I wonder if we will get a transmitter room view? but listening to WABC's news cast at 5Pm they hinted at it was just going to be a flash cut.. no special showings or anything like that..

Here's what was shown throughout WXTV's (Univision 41) news tonight on the analog feed.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8964/wxtvmessage.jpg (http://img31.imageshack.us/i/wxtvmessage.jpg/)

Then at 11:28, they went to the color bar, not ready for digital TV message for about 5 minutes.

well that helps.. right now fox 5 has a crawl going on the analog feed warning any remaining people who may think the switch is not going to happen...

I see it: "URGENT...If you are seeing this message, you are NOT ready for the DTV transition. You will lose this Analog TV signal today at 11:59 PM. If you need additional information on the Digital Transition, call 1-888 225-5322."

Edit: I see the same message on Channel 9

Where you expecting (ThisTV) or a News channel? lol

No, I just wanted to know so I had some idea what to put on my website.

- Trip

As of 6:20 AM, I just turned on my TV real quick to see if I notice anything, did not do a re-scan, and the only thing I notice is that I do not get ION anymore, but I don't know if they switched yet or if this is because of the weather overnight ( those were some thunderstorms).
I thought ION was suppose to increase power after today.

Update: Something must be up with ION, because at work, where we are closer to the city and get a stronger signal, cannot get ION OTA either.

Update: Something must be up with ION, because at work, where we are closer to the city and get a stronger signal, cannot get ION OTA either.

In Northwestern Brooklyn, as of 8:20 AM I am not getting ION either analog or digital OTA.

I have Comcast and this is the message being displayed when I tune to WPXN:

"WPXN is currently performing maintenance as part of the Federally mandated DTV transition. WPXN will be restored shortly."

I just did a rescan, seems ION is back. My TV doesn't let me see the actual channel only the re-mapped number, so I'm only assuming it's now on RF30.

I just did a rescan, seems ION is back. My TV doesn't let me see the actual channel only the re-mapped number, so I'm only assuming it's now on RF30.


WPXN-DT is now transmitting on RF31, its virtual channel number!

WPXN-DT is now transmitting on RF31, its virtual channel number!

That's right they were on RF30 previously. They are now at their perm location.

thanks for the heads up about ION

what about 13-1?

did they change as well?

I don't want to rescan right now because I might loose some stations I had before the weather got bad.

i will rescan around 2Am.

Should be transitioned today by 1:30 PM.

WPXN-DT is now transmitting on RF31, its virtual channel number!

Still can't get it. I barely peak it at about 15%. If they are running in full power I still can't get it. I hope channel 7 and 11 is not like this in a hour.

Still can't get it. I barely peak it at about 15%. If they are running in full power I still can't get it. I hope channel 7 and 11 is not like this in a hour.

I have the same issue.. it was fine before they switched over to the new channel location..

I liked watching the older movies.


I hope it's just the weather...

I wish this LG box would show a signal percent instead of a signal bar.

Yea but I was never able to get ION. So far the first station to switch to digital and I can't get it. Does not look like a good sign so far.

Yea but I was never able to get ION. So far the first station to switch to digital and I can't get it. Does not look like a good sign so far.

Look on the bright side.

At least you won't be missing it!

WOW I just saw fox news who said.

2 million people with OTA have yet to get a BOX. And people are waiting on BIG lines today. Man oh man. They had proper warning

They showed BIG lines like at Christmas time

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/06/dtv-transition/

Yea but I was never able to get ION. So far the first station to switch to digital and I can't get it. Does not look like a good sign so far.

I was able to get it at 70-80% but now it's less then 20% I don't know what the LG box starts to show a picture at but most of the time I get no signal now.

Coming in loud and clear!

Just slightly lower SNR% than previously, but haven't reoriented my indoor antenna until more stations switch.

WOW I just saw fox news who said.

2 million people with OTA have yet to get a BOX. And people are waiting on BIG lines today. Man oh man. They had proper warning

They showed BIG lines like at Christmas time

http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/06/dtv-transition/

Someone is always going to be behind.. like I said before most thought or might of thought..

1.) They would delay it again.. (we had how many delays?)

2.) government just wants to work us up.. (yes some fokes are like that...)

3.) They think nothing will change after the switch..

I wonder how much they are going to save not having to run both transmitters now.

2 million people with OTA have yet to get a BOX. And people are waiting on BIG lines today. Man oh man. They had proper warning

They showed BIG lines like at Christmas time

typical human nature.... postpone something till kingdom come.

i get 31.1 at 70%. it was 50% at 11pm last night.

WABC7 analog off the air now...they did a countdown on the noon news to it.

WABC7 analog off the air now...they did a countdown on the noon news to it.
Same with WNBC, WNET, WPIX
WNBC has some kind of infomercial going on now on DTV

WABC7 analog off the air now...they did a countdown on the noon news to it.

ABC:
Does the Digital Switch from 45 to 7 Happen at the same time?

WABC just switched lol anyone see the delay of the signal being taken out? Also WNBC is showing the DTV "nightlight"

Well I was right. Can't get digital channel 7, 11 or 13. I can only peak it in the 20's. This sux.

crap I forgot WABC switched back to VHF lol i'm left with a little issue.. my apartment antenna is VHF but my silver sensor is UHF do they have something where you can combine the two?

Also is it just me or did WABC-TV mean to show the eyewitness screen with the music before they signed off? i don't think I saw other markets do that.

I moved the antenna everywhere and the highest I can peak it is 51%

crap I forgot WABC switched back to VHF lol i'm left with a little issue.. my apartment antenna is VHF but my silver sensor is UHF do they have something where you can combine the two?

YES there is, I bought one as a backup for my Aunt. I will not know if it works till this weekend.

http://www.markertek.com/CATV-Headend-Interface/RF-Splitters/Pico-Macom-Inc/UVSJ.xhtml

or

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=UVSJ


It has a very low signal loss. However better to get a VHF/UHF antenna. I like the terk-55 for under 15 miles away. And I am going to try a Clearstream C2 this weekend

crap I forgot WABC switched back to VHF lol i'm left with a little issue.. my apartment antenna is VHF but my silver sensor is UHF do they have something where you can combine the two?

WPIX and WNET too

crap I forgot WABC switched back to VHF lol i'm left with a little issue.. my apartment antenna is VHF but my silver sensor is UHF do they have something where you can combine the two?

Did this VHF switch happen at the same time as Analog shut off

WLIW is still in analog as of this moment.

7.1 out.
11.1 out.
13.1 in (signal at 20%, though).
25.1 has gone from 70% (measured last night) to 90%. still 480i, though.

Well I was right. Can't get digital channel 7, 11 or 13. I can only peak it in the 20's. This sux.

Nor I. Lost indoor reception of 7, 11, 13. I'm 13 miles east of ESB with direct line of sight of the antenna. Can't get ION D31 either

7.1 out.
11.1 out.
13.1 in (signal at 20%, though).
25.1 has gone from 70% (measured last night) to 90%. still 480i, though.

When does these channels come back?

Nor I. Lost indoor reception of 7, 11, 13. I'm 13 miles east of ESB with direct line of sight of the antenna. Can't get ION D31 either

ION is back

Just found WPIX-DT on 11.3 (and LATV on 11.4)

WNET on 13.5


EDIT: ok nevermind - after a rescan at 1pm they are where they should be

When does these channels come back?

what i meant was: i cant see ABC or CW because they switched back to high VHF and my crappy home made antenna is a loop (good for UHF). gonna try some improvisation now with extra wires and hangers.

I can get channel 7 the same signal strengh if I point the antenna in the opposite direction that I had it but then 11 and 13 are weaker. Channel 11 is the weakest.

Here is the weird part. I am getting channel 13 and 11 in the high 40's and it is not breaking up.

Question:

Are these channels back after the switch or still BLACK screen in digital?

7.1
11.1
13.1
25.

WABC and WNET on my indoor amp. Antenna. The converter box sees WPIX and WPXN but their signal is too week to get a picture. On my other HDTV with monoprice outdoor antenna and pre-amp, it has all four stations.

WCBS-DT is off RF 56 and WLIW analog is off.

Hmmmm, I'm hoping not to have to buy a VHF antenna if I can help it [love my old UHF Radio Shack Double Bow-Tie].

Looks like there are still doing some tweaking....WABC and WPIX is still kind of pixelated and unstable, I might have to get that VHF antenna after all.

There is a combiner/separator you can buy to use both your UHF and VHF antennas.

EDIT: Looks like this transition affect early adopters also! :) Got to go pick up a VHF antenna.

I just did two scans and I can't get, WABC, WCBS or WPIX with my indoor powered antenna. I used to get them fine before the DTV transition.

The thing that annoys me is that I can get channel 7 in the 60's but then I lose channels 11 and 13. If I get those stronger then I lose channel 7. Talk about progress. With analog I got those channels fine anywhere I point the antenna but with digital it is a pain in the a$$ to get reliable reception.

I just did two scans and I can't get, WABC, WCBS or WPIX with my indoor powered antenna. I used to get them fine before the DTV transition.

WCBS will be missing until ~1:30 (moving from 56 to 33)

the other 2 shifted their HD signals to VHF channels... so if your antenna is UHF only...

The thing is I got to point my antenna towards the window to be able to get the UHF channels but with the VHF channels I got to point them in the opposite direction but then I loose channel 4, 5 and 9. 47 and 66 are fine any direction I point them.

crap I forgot WABC switched back to VHF lol i'm left with a little issue.. my apartment antenna is VHF but my silver sensor is UHF do they have something where you can combine the two?



Yes, Radio Shack sells a combiner. It isn't an expensive item.

All I know is I am glad channel 9 decided to stay on UHF channel 38.

Don't dismiss the Silver Sensor, it's doing just fine picking up High UHF -
7, 11 and 13 for me!

I just did two scans and I can't get, WABC, WCBS or WPIX with my indoor powered antenna. I used to get them fine before the DTV transition.


Scanned around 1 pm and same here ( about 20 miles west of ESB) using an attic antenna that had no problems before the switch.

All New York City stations except WCBS are strong signals in Hillsborough NJ (about 40 miles SW of NYC).

Setup- attic mounted suburban VHF-UHF antenna (Channel Master CM3016) and Zenith DTT901 converter.

What happened to WCBS??

Scanned around 1 pm and same here ( about 20 miles west of ESB) using an attic antenna that had no problems before the switch.

Hi, Can you also please post the antenna type/model you are using right now? Are you using CM-4221? I am losing hope on my Eagle-aspen DB2 in getting the High VHF. I am at work now, so I can't really test the setup.

Scanned around 1 pm and same here ( about 20 miles west of ESB) using an attic antenna that had no problems before the switch.

is CBS broadcasting in digital from the new channel? they were supposed to sign on the new channel at 1:30pm. maybe they havent yet.

is 13.1 still on? i was getting them at 20% but i lost them completely.

All New York City stations except WCBS are strong signals in Hillsborough NJ (about 40 miles SW of NYC).

Setup- attic mounted suburban VHF-UHF antenna (Channel Master CM3016) and Zenith DTT901 converter.

What happened to WCBS??

WCBS-DT, Channel 33 is due to sign-on at 2:00 p.m.

I'm using the RadioShack Indoor VHF/UHF/HDTV Antenna. Model: 15-1892.

Ch 13.1 strong signal in Hillsborugh NJ 40 mi SW of NYC (Channel Master CM3016 suburban antenna mounted in attic, Zenith DTT901 converter).

WCBS still no on ch 33 at 13:47

Can anyone get WLIW-21? Had it around noon lost it now.

Thanks

All New York City stations except WCBS are strong signals in Hillsborough NJ (about 40 miles SW of NYC).

Setup- attic mounted suburban VHF-UHF antenna (Channel Master CM3016) and Zenith DTT901 converter.

What happened to WCBS??

I'm in South Bound Brook, NJ. I rescanned my MythTV system about 1/2 hour ago. As of then, 11-1 is still using 33 (which will be used by 2-1) and the old 2-1 on 56 is off the air.

Looks like good news here so far. 13-1 moving to VHF 13 is a huge improvement for me. That was occasionally a real problem for me, and now I'm getting it at about 80%. I have a 120" Radio Shack combo UHF/VHF roof mounted antenna and a CM7777 amp. 7-1 is better on VHF 7 as well.

Tom

Ch 13.1 strong signal in Hillsborugh NJ 40 mi SW of NYC (Channel Master CM3016 suburban antenna mounted in attic, Zenith DTT901 converter).

WCBS still no on ch 33 at 13:47

So the 13.1 is coming fine at 40 miles. Atleast, now I am confident that I will be able to get all th VHF channels too. Question is whether my current antenna can do the job or whether I need a bigger antenna. I noticed today that solid-signal have decreased the price for CM-4221HD to $42 shipped from $55 (shipped before).

I just switched to a different tuner and did a re scan. Still can't find WABC-DT.

Now Ch11 and 13 are found but not strong enough to tune in.
The tuner could never find WNET-DT in it's previous UHF location.

WNYE has jumped to 100% signal.
WNJN-DT NJ PBS is now simulcasting their radio station on 50.3.

Did Univison merge WXTV Univision and WFTU TeleFutura
into one digital UHF channel 40?

WXTV Univison 41 is now 40.1 and TeleFutura is 41.2.

I figured out what's going on with WXTV and WFTU.
They have done a FOX and My9 by adding their sister channel as a sub channel.

WXTV 41.1 has WFTU as a sub on 40.2
WFTU 68.1 has WXTV as a sub on 68.2

Hi, Can you also please post the antenna type/model you are using right now? Are you using CM-4221? I am losing hope on my Eagle-aspen DB2 in getting the High VHF. I am at work now, so I can't really test the setup.


Model: U-75R
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103088

All fine for me here, except 2.1.

This is at work btw, in midtown on 6th ave.

The antenna is a straightened paper clip inserted into the antenna socket. :)

WCBS-DT, Channel 33 is due to sign-on at 2:00 p.m.

As of right now, I can still get analog WCBS at work, but no WCBS-DT on 33.1

All fine for me here, except 2.1.

This is at work btw, in midtown on 6th ave.

The antenna is a straightened paper clip inserted into the antenna socket. :)

How much do you charge for your paper clip antenna? Do they come in colors?:D

All fine for me here, except 2.1.

This is at work btw, in midtown on 6th ave.

The antenna is a straightened paper clip inserted into the antenna socket. :)

you bastard. :D

As of right now, I can still get analog WCBS at work, but no WCBS-DT on 33.1

they decided to stick with analog. and they're going back to B&W as well.

Ok got it now.

Boy this is frustrating

I read that WNYW 5 & WOR 9 are waiting until 11:59 PM to compete shutdown .

WCBS-HD is back on now.

Finally I am getting channel 2. Getting in the 60's to low 70's. Too bad the high VHF channels 7, 11 and 13 are still weak reception with channel 11 being the worse. I am getting 13 in the 50's but at least I can get channel 13.

Wow, analog WCBS is doing an official sign-off with the national anthem. Just like the good ol days (or nights). And right before sign-off it showed the old B&W CBS test signal pattern.
They said they will do a nitelight starting at 3PM

what happens if reception of the high VHF channels remains bad? can they easily strengthen their signals or would that be both bureaucratic and expensive? i'll get a Terk HDTVa this weekend i think, but now i'm not very confident about high VHF.

By the way what is a night lite. I see that channel 4 analog is doing it. For how long is it done for before they turn it off.

By the way what is a night lite. I see that channel 4 analog is doing it. For how long is it done for before they turn it off.

30 days.

WCBS-HD is back on now.

can get at 33-1 but no longer via 2-1 ?
are they going to get 2-1 working?

Wow, analog WCBS is doing an official sign-off with the national anthem. Just like the good ol days (or nights). And right before sign-off it showed the old B&W CBS test signal pattern.


I hope someone was recording that. I would like to see the classic sign-off.

Don't dismiss the Silver Sensor, it's doing just fine picking up High UHF -
7, 11 and 13 for me!


You live much closer to the ESB then me.. my signal level with the Silver Sensor is 0% when it switched back to VHF (I can use the roof antenna) it's peaking at 95% at all times same goes with channel 13 and it's sub channels.

WCBS-HD is back on now.

Not as far as I can see. They're certainly not using the new frequency (33) as 11-1 is still using it.

You'd think those two would have coordinated that one better ya know?

Tom

what happens if reception of the high VHF channels remains bad? can they easily strengthen their signals or would that be both bureaucratic and expensive? i'll get a Terk HDTVa this weekend i think, but now i'm not very confident about high VHF.

I am only 4 miles from the ESB. I have the Terk HDTVi the non amplified version. I am thinking about trying the HDTVa version. The problem is that I am adjusting those long antennas and if I move it too high or just move it a bit the reception fluctuates a lot. Also I can get channel 7 the way I use to get it but I have to have one antenna up and one antenna down. Also I have to point it away from the window which at the same time makes UHF channels except channel 47 and 66 weak.

I've got CBS 2-1 on 33 now.

I soon as I punched in 33 it locked in CBS 2-1. I am getting it like I use it get channel 11 but VHF 11 I am getting real weak and crappy. The weakest of the stations.

Yes, Radio Shack sells a combiner. It isn't an expensive item.

I don't see it listed on the site I just see the one for the 75 ohm leads.

WOW. They had years to prepare for this and it's a mess.
What are the non tech people going to do tonight when they can't find CBS?
They aren't going to look for 33-1 that's for sure.
Nice job, I would get fired for this type of screw up!

I've got CBS 2-1 on 33 now.

I'm still getting 11-1 on 33. I can tell because of the current program (Judge Jeanine Pirro).

How is it possible for anyone else to be getting anything different?? That seems impossible.

Tom

I'm still getting 11-1 on 33. I can tell because of the current program (Judge Jeanine Pirro).

How is it possible for anyone else to be getting anything different?? That seems impossible.

Tom
Perhaps it's a readout "quirk" of your box/equipment.
Do A Re-scan.

my WABC-TV digital switchover is on youtube now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO2M4x7Rnq8

why wouldn't they just kill the analog and leave the digital alone?
why move things around and confuse people even more?

WOW. They had years to prepare for this and it's a mess.
What are the non tech people going to do tonight when they can't find CBS?
They aren't going to look for 33-1 that's for sure.
Nice job, I would get fired for this type of screw up!

do you work for a tv or cable station? it's not as easy as flipping a switch and punching a few buttons. you can do all the prep work in the world but if there are problems you can't forsee, problems will occur. especially in a situation where you're waiting for another network to vacate a frequency then flip your own.

Perhaps it's a readout "quirk" of your box/equipment.
Do A Re-scan.

Never mind...the rescan I'm doing right now appears to have finally changed it correctly.

Tom

what happens if reception of the high VHF channels remains bad? can they easily strengthen their signals or would that be both bureaucratic and expensive? i'll get a Terk HDTVa this weekend i think, but now i'm not very confident about high VHF.

it's not like turning a knob to increase transmit power. transmit power/height/etc are regulated by the fcc and yes its very expensive.
VHF high is better for DTV than UHF but if you guys are all equipped with UHF antennas that is the problem. VHF low (2-6) on the other hand is subject to all sorts of electrical and FM interference so its no good for dtv.

Yes, Radio Shack sells a combiner. It isn't an expensive item.

Is it nothing but a 2-way splitter?

why wouldn't they just kill the analog and leave the digital alone?
why move things around and confuse people even more?
One Reason:
Because for some stations, the Analog signal was on their "better" main frequency (channel), & they wanted to retain the "main" transmitters & antenna/ location for a better Digital signal after today.
This meant shutting off the "temporary" lower power Dig frequency, & moving digital to the (now) unused analog freq. ( Ch 7, 11, 13).

I moved the antenna everywhere and the highest I can peak it is 51%

give it time (a day or two or a week). all networks will be doing tweaking in the coming days. you don't reallly expect with all these changes, there will be no impact to your reception. for the most part people will see improvements in signal levels.

Is it nothing but a 2-way splitter?
You can use a 2-way splitter, but there are V/U combiners as well.
If all you can find is a splitter, go ahead & try it.

it's not like turning a knob to increase transmit power. transmit power/height/etc are regulated by the fcc and yes its very expensive.
VHF high is better for DTV than UHF but if you guys are all equipped with UHF antennas that is the problem. VHF low (2-6) on the other hand is subject to all sorts of electrical and FM interference so its no good for dtv.

Thats always what I thought. I remember in the "old" days my mother turning on the vacuum or hair dryer and Ch 2 or 4 turning to interference totally, while the higher channels, 7, 9,11 were hardly effected.

So then why are some stations, like Ch 6 in Philly, switching back to VHF low?

You can use a 2-way splitter, but there are V/U combiners as well.
If all you can find is a splitter, go ahead & try it.

I only asked because when I searched for "combiner" on the RS site 2-way splitters were the only thing that came up.. I will check the retail store in just a few but I should also have some splitters at home.

I only asked because when I searched for "combiner" on the RS site 2-way splitters were the only thing that came up.. I will check the retail store in just a few but I should also have some splitters at home.

Doesn't hurt to try, but Pico Micro makes a great little product:

http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=UVSJ

I've now got every channel but WPIX-DT and WABC-DT back in Northern, NJ.

One Reason:
Because for some stations, the Analog signal was on their "better" main frequency (channel), & they wanted to retain the "main" transmitters & antenna/ location for a better Digital signal after today.
This meant shutting off the "temporary" lower power Dig frequency, & moving digital to the (now) unused analog freq. ( Ch 7, 11, 13).

that's fine, but many are complaining that signals is weaker?

So then why are some stations, like Ch 6 in Philly, switching back to VHF low?


I'd give you an opinionated answer, but I'm impersonating a diplomat this week.

Needless to say, less than 40 full power stations across the country decided to stay on 2-6, so there's probably a comparison to a bag of hammers somewhere in that decision...

I'd give you an opinionated answer, but I'm impersonating a diplomat this week.

Needless to say, less than 40 full power stations across the country decided to stay on 2-6, so there's probably a comparison to a bag of hammers somewhere in that decision...

You sound like me, when talking about how CBS was assigned the SAME F'ING RF CHANNEL (33) IN ADJACENT MARKETS (NY and Hartford/New Haven)

give it time (a day or two or a week). all networks will be doing tweaking in the coming days. you don't reallly expect with all these changes, there will be no impact to your reception. for the most part people will see improvements in signal levels.

ah yeah, i did
this was years in the making plus four months
say what you want but this was poorly planned

to answer your earlier question about my line of work
i'm in IT for a medium sized company
any server or network upgrades we perform better go off smoothly
or in some cases heads do roll

So then why are some stations, like Ch 6 in Philly, switching back to VHF low?
6 is probably OK, it's the "highest of the V-lo freqs.
Ch 2 & 4 also require much longer antennas than what's practical for indoor "rabbit ears" .

that's fine, but many are complaining that signals is weaker?
A lot of that has to do with people who have UHF only antennas, or antennas that are more efficient at UHF suddenly trying to get VHF with them.
My guess is as many or More people will see an increase in sig strength on 7 - 13 .
Remember too, radio wave propagation is affected by many factors. There will of course be areas where a UHF comes in better than ch 11, & vice versa.

6 is probably OK, it's the "highest of the V-lo freqs.
Ch 2 & 4 also require much longer antennas than what's practical for indoor "rabbit ears" .

6 is right next to FM band and is subject to interference from the lowest of the FM broadcast frequencies. If your local PR, college, or religious stations is close by, you'd get a ton of interference from them.

Besides, when was the last time you saw an antenna for VHF-low that didn't cover all the way down to channel 2 at 54 MHz.

Hey, maybe FM antennas might work well enough for the channel 6 victims, er..., customers across the country.

Dangit! I picked the wrong week to pretend to be a diplomat...

ah yeah, i did
this was years in the making plus four months
say what you want but this was poorly planned

to answer your earlier question about my line of work
i'm in IT for a medium sized company
any server or network upgrades we perform better go off smoothly
or in some cases heads do roll

Jeez - talk about apples to oranges...

here's an analogy - would you plan a single-point-of-failure release, with zero downtime, on a server hanging in the sky, and unaccessable?

I didn't think so.

How much do you charge for your paper clip antenna? Do they come in colors?:D

I can give you one for free if you like. :)

I have a telescoping whip in a drawer around here somewhere but I'm lazy to look for it.

As for colors - I prefer the silver ones but I have all colors.

Besides, when was the last time you saw an antenna for VHF-low that didn't cover all the way down to channel 2 at 54 MHz....

They all claim to "cover" ...
But they are much less efficient at Ch 2 .. especially indoor "rabbit ears" & setop antennas ...
At 54Mhz, each "rod" of the ears would need to be almost 5ft long each to be a true 1/4 wavelength... So many of these indoor antennas use loads & other tricks to comprimise the full length, while at the same time they really are physically a full 1/4 or even 1/2 or more wavelength at the higher frequencies, resulting in higher receive gain at the higher channels.

I read that WNYW 5 & WOR 9 are waiting until 11:59 PM to compete shutdown .

Yes that's correct. We're analog to the very bitter end. :)

This is kinda strange - There are TWO 2.1's here. One of them is showing a still of central park, and the other is WCBS.

I wonder if it's someone in this building playing around with an ATSC transmitter or something. :rolleyes: Sick joke?

Same here

When I do a re-scan, I am getting 2 seperate 2.1's, one is CBS, and the other is just a live still shot of a rooftop. The channel guide just says "channel" and it says "digital audio" as opposed to "dolby digital" on all my other channels. Now here's the wierd part. When I switch to another channel, all my sound is gone. I have to shut off my TV and turn it back on to get the sound back. All this after I tune in to this "alternate 2.1" . apparantly its causing a glitch in my tv. Anyone else see this channel?

To people using Vista media center or some other PVR which relies on Guide data from internet for scheduled recording: Can you please also post your findings on guide data update and any recording behavior anomaly during the transition? I am really not sure whether the guide metadata uses the station callsign or virtual channel number or the physical channel number to associate a show. I hope that they are using virtual channel number to differentiate between the main and sub.

Oh no - big problems in NJ. 35 miles due west of NYC in Morris county. Was getting everything but 13 really good before changeover. As of noon today, no channel 7 or 11. Almost no signal (like 10%) on 7 or 11 and I am running a VHF antenna in addition to a UHF 4228 and amp. Very disappointing.

Same here

When I do a re-scan, I am getting 2 seperate 2.1's, one is CBS, and the other is just a live still shot of a rooftop. The channel guide just says "channel" and it says "digital audio" as opposed to "dolby digital" on all my other channels. Now here's the wierd part. When I switch to another channel, all my sound is gone. I have to shut off my TV and turn it back on to get the sound back. All this after I tune in to this "alternate 2.1" . apparantly its causing a glitch in my tv. Anyone else see this channel?

I am.

Where are you?

I only asked because when I searched for "combiner" on the RS site 2-way splitters were the only thing that came up.. I will check the retail store in just a few but I should also have some splitters at home.

Check my posts a page back or two I posted two links for a good cheap combiner

Now the phantom 2.1 appears to be gone.

Now the phantom 2.1 appears to be gone.

Long Island. But what was really freaky was it killed my sound on the TV after tuning to that channel. I believe the actual channel was 30.

On a side note I'm happy to report I still have all my channels plus 13 now, which I could never get.
Still waiting for Ch5 and Ch 9 tonite.

I only asked because when I searched for "combiner" on the RS site 2-way splitters were the only thing that came up.. I will check the retail store in just a few but I should also have some splitters at home.

Here is the combiner refered to:

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062059

When I used the combiner I was using RG6 for my VHF feed and foam 300 ohm (Lower loss than coax) for my UHF feed. It combined both feeds into a single F connector output.

The picture is a bit deceiving. There's a F connector on one side of the little plastic box and on the other there's a 300 ohm input and a 75 ohm F connector jack.

I'm in northern Staten Island, I'm getting everything except WABC-DT. It's great to have Thirteen now!

Out here in Levittown, (Nassau County 25 miles east of ESB). Channels 2,4,5,6,7,9,11,13 93-100 % depending upon the device I'm using (DTVPAL DVR, Sony DHG-HDD250, Panasonic DMR-EZ27 DVD recorder)

Who is channel 6 in your case? WEDY-DT (PBS) of New Haven is using channel 6.

Still waiting for Ch5 and Ch 9 tonite.They are staying on channels 44 and 38 so what are you waiting for?

Oh no - big problems in NJ. 35 miles due west of NYC in Morris county. Was getting everything but 13 really good before changeover. As of noon today, no channel 7 or 11. Almost no signal (like 10%) on 7 or 11 and I am running a VHF antenna in addition to a UHF 4228 and amp. Very disappointing.

Did you really expect a 10 year old government mandated switch over to go without a hitch? ;)

Give it a few days or weeks, eventually it will be worked out. :rolleyes:

You have a lot of hard working engineers doing their very best!

Did you really expect a 10 year old government mandated switch over to go without a hitch? ;)

Give it a few days or weeks, eventually it will be worked out. :rolleyes:

You have a lot of hard working engineers doing their very best!

Sounds like a few who work in the TV industry are here on this board

How many BUCKS do they have to pass on to others?

You sound like me, when talking about how CBS was assigned the SAME F'ING RF CHANNEL (33) IN ADJACENT MARKETS (NY and Hartford/New Haven)


there are a few channels in nyc dma that are on the same frequency as the hartford dma but in the digital world its much less of an issue than in analog world. those in between the 2 markets probably have difficulty picking up either signal. keep in mind tv stations used to occupy ch2-68. as of today is 2-51. there's going to be lots of same channel usage in adjacent markets.

Here is the combiner refered to:

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062059

When I used the combiner I was using RG6 for my VHF feed and foam 300 ohm (Lower loss than coax) for my UHF feed. It combined both feeds into a single F connector output.

The picture is a bit deceiving. There's a F connector on one side of the little plastic box and on the other there's a 300 ohm input and a 75 ohm F connector jack.


I got this one instead since I did not find the other

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?currentTab=summary&productId=2103923&tab=custRatings#showReviews

I have couple quick questions. How many SD feeds does one HD feed take? I recently read that ABC O&Os will add ABC News Now to their subchannels in July. So I wondering with WABC-HD, Live Well HD, and weather feed, will they have space to have all three and ABC News Now?

I don't know about anyone else but what is on RF channel 8? Is that WTNH out of New Haven? the signal is just low enough not to get station info.

I don't think it can be WTNH because I could never get them period before the switch over and my antenna is not pointed that way.

I have couple quick questions. How many SD feeds does one HD feed take? I recently read that ABC O&Os will add ABC News Now to their subchannels in July. So I wondering with WABC-HD, Live Well HD, and weather feed, will they have space to have all three and ABC News Now?

IMO no I hear ABC now looks like crapa since they put two HD stations. I would think 1 HD and 3 SD subs would be ok.

BUT if they go with 3 HD's The picture will be really bad.


Where did you read about news now? Got a link? thanks

So much CRAP out there. Channel 68 (or is it 66?) 10 CHANNELS? Some of it
is FM radio. WTF?

Now the phantom 2.1 appears to be gone.

It was a roof top view of what?!?! it's unlikely it's going to ever happen again so I hope someone got a screen grab.

Just in case anyone missed this highly annoying and boneheaded move by WNBC-DT:

"As of June 11, 2009, WNBC began inserting a broadcast flag into their signal that overrides the manual aspect ratio control on digital converter boxes, forcing viewers using 4:3 analog television sets with converter boxes to view certain programs in a 4:3 aspect ratio, and denying viewers the option of viewing these shows in 16:9 letterbox format. Programming affected include WNBC's local news broadcast, Today, NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams and The Tonight Show with Conan O'brien, among others."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WNBC#Digital_television

WNBC is the ONLY channel that is doing this.

I am able to get channel 7 and 13 as best as I can but I still can't get channel 11.

currently, with my home made loop antenna, i get all UHF channels, but none of the VHF ones.

so here is a question for all those receiving well the high VHF channels (ABC 7.1, CW 11.1, PBS 13.1), which antenna are you using to pull off this miracle?

currently, with my home made loop antenna, i get all UHF channels, but none of the VHF ones.

so here is a question for all those receiving well the high VHF channels (ABC 7.1, CW 11.1, PBS 13.1), which antenna are you using to pull off this miracle?

Dipole rabbit ears that came with the set!

Dipole rabbit ears are so sensitive. If I move them just a bit I can lose the picture completely. With analog I did not have that problem.

So much CRAP out there. Channel 68 (or is it 66?) 10 CHANNELS? Some of it
is FM radio. WTF?

66 was channel 29 66.1 is an old man talking about Religion 24/7 The subs are religious radio.

Where did you read about news now? Got a link? thanks

It looks like I misread it as it seems that this time, channel will try to be sold as a cable channel and not apart of digital subchannel, but here is the link (http://articles.latimes.com/2005/apr/05/business/fi-abccable5).

BTW: WNYE analog is still going after their scheduled 6 hour window has passed.

Dipole rabbit ears are so sensitive. If I move them just a bit I can lose the picture completely. With analog I did not have that problem.


I live closer to the Empire State Building than you, my dipoles are frozen in position (meaning I found the position that works and haven't moved it) and everything comes in crystal clear. Just wish I could get WLIW.

currently, with my home made loop antenna, i get all UHF channels, but none of the VHF ones.

so here is a question for all those receiving well the high VHF channels (ABC 7.1, CW 11.1, PBS 13.1), which antenna are you using to pull off this miracle?

As of today. The terk-55 is getting all the VHF and UHF stations within 15 miles. With a 90 plus signal strength. I will try the C2 on the weekend

Dipole rabbit ears are so sensitive. If I move them just a bit I can lose the picture completely. With analog I did not have that problem.

Others will be saying the same...

I miss WLIW I don't think I can get a reading at all.. the transmitter might be too far or too low powered or both.

currently, with my home made loop antenna, i get all UHF channels, but none of the VHF ones.

so here is a question for all those receiving well the high VHF channels (ABC 7.1, CW 11.1, PBS 13.1), which antenna are you using to pull off this miracle?

For the HDTV, I'm using the MonoPrice Outdoor antenna (http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10901&cs_id=1090102&p_id=4730&seq=1&format=2) and for the digitial converter in the back, I'm using RCA ANT1251 indoor antenna (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000HKGK9I/).

I live closer to the Empire State Building than you, my dipoles are frozen in position (meaning I found the position that works and haven't moved it) and everything comes in crystal clear. Just wish I could get WLIW.

I don't feel so bad.. now that I can't get WLIW..

currently, with my home made loop antenna, i get all UHF channels, but none of the VHF ones.

so here is a question for all those receiving well the high VHF channels (ABC 7.1, CW 11.1, PBS 13.1), which antenna are you using to pull off this miracle?

I live 13 miles from ESB. I use a CM4149 directional double bow-tie UHF and get all UHF/VHF except ION.
It cost $11.95 at
http://www.summitsource.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=cm+4149&x=0&y=0

I don't feel so bad.. now that I can't get WLIW..

Aha, well there you go! It's a trade off right? You can get WLIW, and I can't! (I live in Astoria, in Queens).

I too can't get WLIW, which is odd because for a few times earlier this week, I was able to pull in. Also, I lost WMBC, which has been a constant battle since getting the monoprice antenna. In for a few days then out and repeat.

They are staying on channels 44 and 38 so what are you waiting for?

currently, with my home made loop antenna, i get all UHF channels, but none of the VHF ones.

so here is a question for all those receiving well the high VHF channels (ABC 7.1, CW 11.1, PBS 13.1), which antenna are you using to pull off this miracle?


Channel Master 4228 UHF antenna + CM7777 pre-amp