Due to the weather conditions yesterday I lost my DirecTV reception for most of the day. Due to the fact that the storm was mostly rain as opposed to all snow, that didn't surprise me. What did surprise me though was the fact that I also lost my over the air TV last night. My antenna is in the attic and I normally rceeive all NYC stations very well. Last night the only stations I could receive without breakup were channels 2 & 25. Channels 4 & 5 had severe breakup and Ch's 7, 9, 11, 13 & 31, were not viewable. Today, only channel 50 is still not watchable. All others are back to normal as is my DirecTV reception.

I also have antennas installed in the attic. I am located less than 15 miles NNW of ESB. I have a RS VU-120XR pointed S and a Jerrold UHF Yagi pointed N. All stations due N were lost and continue to be lost today. All S stations remain on. What seems surprising is that the signal strength appear unchanged with over a foot of snow on the roof.

"I like to have $1 per hour I spent on playing with Antenna placement''
So, you are millioner, huh.

I have lost reception on 31, presumably due to the weather. all other stations are coming on normal and ok.

Due to the weather conditions yesterday I lost my DirecTV reception for most of the day. Due to the fact that the storm was mostly rain as opposed to all snow, that didn't surprise me. What did surprise me though was the fact that I also lost my over the air TV last night. My antenna is in the attic and I normally rceeive all NYC stations very well. Last night the only stations I could receive without breakup were channels 2 & 25. Channels 4 & 5 had severe breakup and Ch's 7, 9, 11, 13 & 31, were not viewable. Today, only channel 50 is still not watchable. All others are back to normal as is my DirecTV reception.

Do yu have a tuner that shows carrier to noise (C/N) ratio? That will show you how close to the cliff you are. As I'm sure you know, if you are only a dB or two above threshold (approx 16 dB C/N) you don't have to drop much to lose reception.

the splitter i'm using to send the signal from my antenna to my LCD and my converter box has a label that says:

5Mhz-1Ghz
RFI: 120dB
-8 db TAP

what is the "TAP" spec? is that an attenuation factor?

This means that its not a two-way splitter where the input is divided equally between the two outputs.

Rather, it means that the "tap" spigot is 8db less than the input, and usually the other output is almost the same level as the input, minus the 'insertion' loss.

For an 8db tap the insertion loss would probably be 1 db or so.

For a true two-way splitter, each output is 3db less than the input.

Snow on digital signal?

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For an 8db tap the insertion loss would probably be 1 db or so.

in other words: the outputs are approx -8db and -1db?

that explains why the LCD TV (which was connected to the TAP leg) had such a crappy signal compared to the converter box. i was attributing the difference in picture quality solely to the receivers' sensitivities.

living and learning.... thanks for the info!

the splitter i'm using to send the signal from my antenna to my LCD and my converter box has a label that says:

5Mhz-1Ghz
RFI: 120dB
-8 db TAP

what is the "TAP" spec? is that an attenuation factor?

Do you have 4 taps?

Ideal 2 way splitter is -3dB at each tap. Typical is around -3.7dB.

Ideal 4-way splitter is -6dB at each tap. Internally it is three 2-way splitters in two stages. The first splits in two, then those are split again. Due to these ganged losses, each output is -7.5dB compared to source.

Don't forget to terminate unused splitter outputs to minimize reflections (and interference).

Do yu have a tuner that shows carrier to noise (C/N) ratio? That will show you how close to the cliff you are. As I'm sure you know, if you are only a dB or two above threshold (approx 16 dB C/N) you don't have to drop much to lose reception.

You're kidding, right? What consumer-grade tuner at consumer-grade prices would display C/N?

I don't think these folks monitor their broadcast.

Arirang moved from 48.2 to 48.3 on January 11. Blue Ocean Network occupied 48.2 since then yet has had no audio. Wrote and called the folks in Westchester to no avail. The channel as it appears on FIOS and TWC seems to be okay.

Just as well, since MegaTV is supposed to take over BON on March 1. Perhaps nobody watches OTA.

Do yu have a tuner that shows carrier to noise (C/N) ratio? That will show you how close to the cliff you are. As I'm sure you know, if you are only a dB or two above threshold (approx 16 dB C/N) you don't have to drop much to lose reception.

No, but the signal strength reading on my TV's are normally full scale. I'm only 25 miles north of Manhattan. It's all an icing issue I'm sure. Could even be a problem with my passive DirecTV switch.

Can you tell if it's on channel 2 or channel 59? They have permits for both.

- Trip
Some more complicated conv.boxes after entering 2 go to wCBS2-1 other boxes go automatically to 42-1 Daystar WKOB-SD1-LP christian religious
the other 3 are still color bars only

Now I lost 11. Coming in the 20's as it was months ago when I could not get it.

i'm hearing WPIX is dropping LATV 11.3 soon

i'm hearing WPIX is dropping LATV 11.3 soon

Wow, if anything I'd have expected them to drop Estrella TV, now that WASA-LD is on the air. (That station is supposed to be sold to Liberman.)

- Trip

Wow, if anything I'd have expected them to drop Estrella TV, now that WASA-LD is on the air. (That station is supposed to be sold to Liberman.)

- Trip

estrella has broad distribution (cable & ota) in many major markets thru subchannel leasing. no way they can match the distribution by going to a low power. in nyc estrella is carried thru wpix-dt on rcn,verizon,cablevision. time warner has yet to pick them up but i suspect it may happen soon.

i'm hearing WPIX is dropping LATV 11.3 soon

Replacing with what? Or just dropping? My aunt likes the music videos lol:D

estrella has broad distribution (cable & ota) in many major markets thru subchannel leasing. no way they can match the distribution by going to a low power. in nyc estrella is carried thru wpix-dt on rcn,verizon,cablevision. time warner has yet to pick them up but i suspect it may happen soon.

But in Phoenix and Chicago they're on low-powered stations instead of subchannels. In Chicago they could have been on WGN (co-owned with WPIX), and in Phoenix they could have been on KTVK or KASW (Belo-owned, and Belo has Estrella on some of its other stations).

Well, if they drop LATV, maybe they'd replace it with This TV. I know the Tribune station is the This TV affiliate in several markets.

- Trip

But in Phoenix and Chicago they're on low-powered stations instead of subchannels. In Chicago they could have been on WGN (co-owned with WPIX), and in Phoenix they could have been on KTVK or KASW (Belo-owned, and Belo has Estrella on some of its other stations).

Well, if they drop LATV, maybe they'd replace it with This TV. I know the Tribune station is the This TV affiliate in several markets.

- Trip

This TV would be a positive add on. Since ION Subs are now showing movies. It will make it more like cable or Sat

Still missing 24/7 news

the addition of ThisTV would be a great development.
too bad if it comes as a PIX-11 sub.... i cant get it very well.

You're kidding, right? What consumer-grade tuner at consumer-grade prices would display C/N?

My On-Air GT shows this as did my old Fusion 5 and my Sony TV.

However, getting meaningful signal strength readings seems to be more difficult w/o an SA.

the addition of ThisTV would be a great development.
too bad if it comes as a PIX-11 sub.... i cant get it very well.

Understood, I tell my aunt to thank the TV Gods everyday. Since she can get 33 channels. Including subs. ALL the major networks come in the 80 to 98 range.

I tell her how lucky she is. Also the fact that I played with many antenna's. And moved them around the whole room. Different heights too.

I noticed a 1 foot move can make all the difference.

We got the Dish network Dishpal for Antenna's. Although the box is qwerky. What do you expect for $20 with $40 government coupon? Once in a blue moon it freezes. Common problem with that box. So I set up a power strip next to the tv. So she can unplug it by using the on/off switch and not bend down.

The Dishpal has the best guide with information of what shows are on with data on what the show is about. In fact it looks and acts like a smaller version of a cable or Sat box.

The other thing I like is that it automatically adds new stations or channels. So I do not need to explain how to scan it ect.

As I always said. This is a art form. To get the right Antenna with right box for your area. Lot of trial and error.:(

I noticed a 1 foot move can make all the difference.

exactly. the sweet spot for a given channel can be under the fridge, pointing up 10 degrees and facing NW.... even if the station is in the opposite direction.

crazy stuff.

exactly. the sweet spot for a given channel can be under the fridge, pointing up 10 degrees and facing NW.... even if the station is in the opposite direction.

crazy stuff.

I even tried the toilet. :D

I now tell people looking for help. If your not willing to get 3 to 4 antennas to try. Days of moving the antenna around. Then don't bother.

The correct setup takes time and energy. Unless you get lucky

Anyone else having problems with receiving WNYW (44)?

Signal is erratic - mostly just not there!

Anyone else having problems with receiving WNYW (44)?

Signal is erratic - mostly just not there!
WNYW is FOX

We get FOX on 5.1 I forget the virtual number. Could be 44.

Anyway I called my aunt and very strong signal just now. 88 to 93. No problems at all with signal

Hope this helps

Where does your aunt live?

Where does your aunt live?

Queens, few miles from 495

Northeast wall window. Straight line to NYC and ESB. TVFOOL says 7 miles from NYC

Thanks - still a big problem here in the East 60s near Second Avenue!

FOX-5.1 at 100% for me. 9mi from ESB.

Thanks - this is weird!

You're kidding, right? What consumer-grade tuner at consumer-grade prices would display C/N?
My DVICO FusionHDTV USB tuner shows "signal strength" and C/N. I don't assume everyone has such a device, but that's why I said "if."

i'm hearing WPIX is dropping LATV 11.3 soon

OMG what? That's the only channel where they show MUSIC VIDEOS and not just Spanish music american music to.

DTV OFFICIALLY HAS NOTHING BESIDES RELIGIOUS CRAP

Talk about an overreaction to a rumor...

And LATV was better when they were mostly English speaking, imo. They used to have a show that made fun of alot of the Spanish-language programming out there and now in many ways, they've become what they used to mock.

You're kidding, right? What consumer-grade tuner at consumer-grade prices would display C/N?

Motorola made a hd100 & a hd101. both had the signal to noise ratio along with the db level

All of my channels were their usual signal strength yesterday with the exception of CBS which was in the 60s and dropping out every minute. Anyone else have issues? I could not watch the Amazing race it was so bad.

Talk about an overreaction to a rumor...

And LATV was better when they were mostly English speaking, imo. They used to have a show that made fun of alot of the Spanish-language programming out there and now in many ways, they've become what they used to mock.

Well this is a one of a kind channel. So ya im little irritated.:o

In case you have had hard time to get WKOB42-1(2,3,4, still color bars)LP, I like to alert you what you are missing.
True, they have some prophecies interpretation, but most of the time they post toll free telephone # , some for U.S.A. and outside of USA, also for specific countries like U.K.,France, Germany, China etc and above the phone # they put sign - To Donate -
I wonder what they want You to donate, since the preachers wear at least $800 up suits, it can not be your dimes and nickels, it puzzles me what they want you to donate them, huh. alo.

The only station I can get at 100% is that old geezer Channel 66. Wish I could not get it?
Channel 11 came back in the 50's again. I lost it again on Saturday but now I can get it again. They really need to boost there power.

The only station I can get at 100% is that old geezer Channel 66. Wish I could not get it?
Channel 11 came back in the 50's again. I lost it again on Saturday but now I can get it again. They really need to boost there power.

if u have your spare coax up there, try rabbit ears up there until u decide what outdoor antenna to buy. i'm sure u can pick up every major network and ut cant be worse that the reception you get now.

Does anyone know or can check if WABC has changed the bit rates for the main and sub channels again?

I noticed tonight Jimmy Kimmel Live had very soft video and even the abc bug was soft.
This happens when WABC gives to much bandwidth Live Well HD and the other sub channel. They had fixed it last year and WABC-DT was looking better.

Does anyone know or can check if WABC has changed the bit rates for the main and sub channels again?

I noticed tonight Jimmy Kimmel Live had very soft video and even the abc bug was soft.
This happens when WABC gives to much bandwidth Live Well HD and the other sub channel. They had fixed it last year and WABC-DT was looking better.

ABC is having a huge fight with Cablevision now. Be glad you have OTA. Seems all Major networks are fighting with cable and Sat company's. FOX and Time Warner was just a month ago.

I always wonder if OTA networks will pull their signal? There was talk about this very thing.

Of course apart of their fight Cablevision now saying that ABC is free on OTA.

It is strange that all this comes now during a bad economy.

Wished I could get OTA where I live. My aunt is so lucky to have OTA.

[Wow, if anything I'd have expected them to drop Estrella TV, now that WASA-LD is on the air

is anybody experiencing problems with WASA-LD, To me it comes it great for about 10 seconds, then it picture breaks up completely, then its unwatchable, picture breaks up, unlike pixeling from weak signal. it freezes then picture flutters up and down like it was riding a wave, then it stays frozen, it never goes away. :( my signal is s/n ratio is good one of my strongest stations. postulating could it be the signal is too strong ? Is anybody experience this weird problem.

I'm sure others are more knowledgeable than me, but it is my understanding that a company cannot merely pull their OTA signal. I believe that need permission from the FCC to do this.

I'm sure others are more knowledgeable than me, but it is my understanding that a company cannot merely pull their OTA signal. I believe that need permission from the FCC to do this.

OTA stations have one of two options:

1) Must-carry. Exactly what it sounds like.
2) Retransmission consent. The station negotiates terms with the cable company. Failure to reach an agreement means the station can be pulled.

- Trip

Does anyone know the status the WCBS Plainview translator (RF ch 20)?

OTA stations have one of two options:

1) Must-carry. Exactly what it sounds like.
2) Retransmission consent. The station negotiates terms with the cable company. Failure to reach an agreement means the station can be pulled.

- Trip

just to add to what trip said re:retrans consent. this is the route most major networks choose to go. PBS, religious stations usually request must carry on all cable systems in the DMA. OTA networks will usually look to package their signal with other networks it owns. Ex: WNBC may tie require cable company to carry channels like bravo,usa,msnbc,cnbc;

ABC may tie their contract negotiations to ESPN. Negotiations will vary from channel to channel and different cable companies. Disney/ABC may be looking for wider distribution (lower cable tier)of their less popular networks like ESPN-U, ESPNEWS.

Many may remember several years back when ABC was pulled from TWC over Disney wanting Disney to move from a premium channel to a standard tier channel.

The following is the observed lineup for WRNN-48 effective 3/1/10:

48.1 WRNN
48.2 Mega TV
48.3 Arirang

Audio on 48.2 was restored by 10PM on 3/1.
I guess RNN pays more attention to Mega TV viewers than BON.

Anyone else having problems with receiving WNYW (44)?

Signal is erratic - mostly just not there!

I can confirm this, though it happens mostly at night.
When that happens I watch 5.2(SD) on RF 38.

RF 44 was lost here for several hours Saturday afternoon.

It's nice that 5 and 9 back each other up.

I read the FCC letter dated November 5.
I thought the bureau closed the door on relocation, no?

Though MTB filed a petition for reconsideration, was that just a procedural move?

wPIX11-1,2,3 surely interesting what's going on there. The Primary 11-1 has fluctuating signals, sometime 80-90', other times lower, and it never ever locks to 100%.
The other two -2,-3 Estrella and LATV signal is locked into 100. It seems to me that the subs-2,3 are using higher Amperage than the Primary 11-1, as result their signal is
'heavier' does not bounce as the other, kind of like 4wheels drive- rear and front wheel drive for the subs as compared to rear wheel drive for 11-1 at whatever Kwpower.

Watched some of Lost OTA on WABC and it looked terrible. Even close up on some of the commercials when they showed text it was very pixelated and blurry. The Dish Network OTA feed although looking softer looks better. I can't beleive they have the nerve of putting the stupid Live Well network in 720p while they still have a 480i weather channel.

Looking at channel 5 OTA which is also at 720p it looks so sharp with vivid colors and very crisp. I can't believe the most watched station WABC has to have the worst picture quality.

WNYW is FOX

We get FOX on 5.1 I forget the virtual number. Could be 44.

Anyway I called my aunt and very strong signal just now. 88 to 93. No problems at all with signal

Hope this helps

Anyone else having problems with receiving WNYW (44)?

Signal is erratic - mostly just not there!

I am having trouble with both Fox WOR networks (both 5.1 5.2, 9.1,9.2 etc) in NYC through Hauppauge Wintv -HVR-1850 (W7 MC). I am in midtown Manhattan. I usually receive it but sometimes its erratic. I have no issue usually receiving it direct to my tv's astc tuner. I have an indoor amp Terk antenna pointing NW. NBC, ABC and WPIX are stronger signals.

I can't believe the most watched station WABC has to have the worst picture quality.

Yep. It looks like the engineers at WABC took a couple more mbits from the main channel over to LW recently and thought noone would notice.

Could it be the specific location? Because in my apt I get strong ABC and Weak FOX, WOR.

Yep. It looks like the engineers at WABC took a couple more mbits from the main channel over to LW recently and thought noone would notice.

As a test I recorded The View on WABC-DT and the total file size was only 4.1GB.
I recorded an hour of GDNY on WNYW-DT (FOX5) which is also 720p and the file size is 5.79 GB.
Since Monday WABC-DT is basically broadcasting at a max of 10mpbs which is not good for HD video.

There's just no way an hour of 720p HD video should be able to fit on a DVD-R.
WABC needs to give the bandwidth back to 7.1 WABC-DT.

Jimmy Kimmel Live is so soft from the reduced bandwidth it looks SD.

Since Monday WABC-DT is basically broadcasting at a max of 10mpbs which is not good for HD video....
Jimmy Kimmel Live is so soft from the reduced bandwidth it looks SD.

I noticed the difference with the newscast and have started watching Channel 5 news instead. Maybe I'm just not in the 7.1 LIVE WELL HD demographic, but I can't imagine ever watching that boring subchannel for more than 2 seconds.

Cablevision has always been greedy when it comes to money.
This time they are biting more then they can chew.;)

This is what I have for 7-1 WABC during the Grays broadcast:

Elementary Stream PID 49 (0x0031) MPEG-2 Video
MPEG Video: Bitrate 17.729 Mbps Resolution 1280 x 720p
MPEG Video: Framerate 59.94 fps Aspect Ratio 16:9 Chroma Format 4:2:0
Descriptor: STD Descriptor
Leak Valid Flag: 1
Descriptor: Smoothing Buffer Descriptor
SB Leak Rate: 48482 SB Size: 2048
Descriptor: Data Stream Alignment Descriptor
Alignment type: video access unit
Descriptor: ATSC Caption Service Descriptor
ATSC Caption Service Descriptor:
Language: eng Format: Captions service 1

That doesn't tell you anything useful. The encoder is sending 17.7 Mbps to the multiplexer, but then turns it down even more. Using TSReader, you have to use the green lines to determine actual bitrate.

- Trip

Cablevision has always been greedy when it comes to money.
This time they are biting more then they can chew.;)

It takes two to act like children. Both are in the wrong imo

That doesn't tell you anything useful. The encoder is sending 17.7 Mbps to the multiplexer, but then turns it down even more. Using TSReader, you have to use the green lines to determine actual bitrate.

- Trip

Here ya go after running it for a little over 10 minutes.

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3867/wabcbandwidth.th.jpg (http://img17.imageshack.us/i/wabcbandwidth.jpg/)

Ouch. Looks like 9 Mbps on average for 7-1, 7 Mbps on average for 7-2.

On other ABC O&O stations, those numbers are more like 12 and 4.5, which is much better.

- Trip

I noticed the difference with the newscast and have started watching Channel 5 news instead. Maybe I'm just not in the 7.1 LIVE WELL HD demographic, but I can't imagine ever watching that boring subchannel for more than 2 seconds.

Count me as one of the Live Well viewers. I guess I may be the tiny minority that thinks it has some great shows. I love "Motion" and the food shows. Also it probably has more health programming that benefits people than 7.1.

Weird thing this morning. ION is coming in at steady 92% signal (per usual) but picture is pixelating and breaking up very often. Happening on all my TVs. Usually when I have issues with ION it is b\c the signal is weak or fluctuating. Any explanations?

I also noticed ABC quality down a lot, I thought it was my tv setting changed.

I also lost my Qam signal while watching a show last night for 7.1, I have to re-scan now

Count me as one of the Live Well viewers. I guess I may be the tiny minority that thinks it has some great shows. I love "Motion" and the food shows. Also it probably has more health programming that benefits people than 7.1.

I guess a better question is. Do you think LW would be just as good in SD? Is there a need to see a grilled cheese sandwich in HD?

Weird thing this morning. ION is coming in at steady 92% signal (per usual) but picture is pixelating and breaking up very often. Happening on all my TVs. Usually when I have issues with ION it is b\c the signal is weak or fluctuating. Any explanations?


Sencor manuf a \TV signal meter years ago with sweep meter & a ear phone jack so you could hear the TV station. Then later they had one with a small TV screen so you could also see the signal for ghost, static & interference. Most dtv converter boxes have an option to show a signal measurement display on the screen. You would think they would have a low profile o scope showing like a spectrum analyzer the mast of the signal from the station. Or a converter to put in-between the TV if out put where the analog video detector is. It would sample the mast from the if amp in the TV & produce an display on the TV screen much like an external video game does using your TV. Or At least some way to see the wave form of the signal so you can see what is going wrong. I would guess that you have multi path issues [what cause ghost on the analog TV] or interference. But with out the expensive test equipment like an spectrum analyzer it is as hit & bull eye or hit && miss. I know there was a way to make an analog TV into an o scope but it was an audio frequencies. I just wish there was a way to make it show the digital signal [mask] signal on screen. If there was some one who really was an extensive experiment electronics person who had the know how & time to try such a project.

Addiotionally, when the signal meter is good/strong, and pixelation shows, sometimes
ION shows Dialog box like ' Unscrumbled Video"

Weird thing this morning. ION is coming in at steady 92% signal (per usual) but picture is pixelating and breaking up very often. Happening on all my TVs. Usually when I have issues with ION it is b\c the signal is weak or fluctuating. Any explanations?

If you have a tuner that works with TS Reader, see if it is finding any errors.

i.e., if TS Reader reports no errors and you have problems, it's likely in the source path somewhere.

I guess a better question is. Do you think LW would be just as good in SD? Is there a need to see a grilled cheese sandwich in HD?

Probably most of the programming on 7.2 would be OK at a lower quality signal. I would agree that 7.1 should get most of the quality signal. But I also think 7.2 has some very useful and informative programming.

Maybe I'm just not in the 7.1 LIVE WELL HD demographic, but I can't imagine ever watching that boring subchannel for more than 2 seconds.

maybe ABC gave Live Well more bandwidth because that sub is growing in popularity (i dont know if it is). all subs should be SD.

I guess a better question is. Do you think LW would be just as good in SD? Is there a need to see a grilled cheese sandwich in HD?

First they need to start airing programming that people will actually watch. LW SHOULD START AIRING RERUNS.
Starting with programing like Alias,NYPD BLUE,Life As We Know It.
So HD should be the last thing on there minds. Unfortunately LW is a complete wast of time.

First they need to start airing programming that people will actually watch. LW SHOULD START AIRING RERUNS.


I am sick and tired and tired and sick of reruns.
If the OTA networks want to retain market share they need to get out of the world of cheapo reality and court TV shows, invest in their offerings and come up with something imaginative that draws an audience without being an axe murder. Stop being so damn cheap to the point every one skips by your channel. Geese they can't even put on a news show anymore that provides all the facts for at least one story an evening. "See our web site for more info!!!"

I am sick and tired and tired and sick of reruns.
If the OTA networks want to retain market share they need to get out of the world of cheapo reality and court TV shows, invest in their offerings and come up with something imaginative that draws an audience without being an axe murder. Stop being so damn cheap to the point every one skips by your channel. Geese they can't even put on a news show anymore that provides all the facts for at least one story an evening. "See our web site for more info!!!"

I think he means that if house(not sure what network) runs at 8pm then a Sub could carry it later at 10pm

Well I guess I will have to watch Oscars at my Aunts OTA. ABC just took there signal off cablevision

Well I guess I will have to watch Oscars at my Aunts OTA. ABC just took there signal off cablevision

Pete Putman has a blog entry about that!

http://www.hdtvexpert.com/?p=308

He writes: "So I’d expect almost anyone who is 30 miles or less from Empire with a reasonably clear path will be able to pull in WABC’s HD signal, using an outside antenna. Within 15 miles, you may only need an indoor antenna, preferably one that can be rotated and has a switchable amplifier built-in."

Here in Poughkeepsie, I never had much luck with WABC off the VHF antenna since June 12, 2009, so I have a backup with the UHF antenna aimed north - WTEN, the ABC affiliate from Albany, NY. However I've heard that WABC is also raising their power on channel 7 - can anyone confirm this?

Pete Putman has a blog entry about that!

http://www.hdtvexpert.com/?p=308

He writes: "So I’d expect almost anyone who is 30 miles or less from Empire with a reasonably clear path will be able to pull in WABC’s HD signal, using an outside antenna. Within 15 miles, you may only need an indoor antenna, preferably one that can be rotated and has a switchable amplifier built-in."

Here in Poughkeepsie, I never had much luck with WABC off the VHF antenna since June 12, 2009, so I have a backup with the UHF antenna aimed north - WTEN, the ABC affiliate from Albany, NY. However I've heard that WABC is also raising their power on channel 7 - can anyone confirm this?

Looks like the FCC recently granted WABC a 2dB power gain with another 2dB in the future. If your converter box or receiver showed a signal just below display threshold in past months, it might be worth a try now.

OTOH, if it showed no signal then, it might remain a lost cause.

Let us know what you find.

Pete Putman has a blog entry about that!

http://www.hdtvexpert.com/?p=308

He writes: "So I’d expect almost anyone who is 30 miles or less from Empire with a reasonably clear path will be able to pull in WABC’s HD signal, using an outside antenna. Within 15 miles, you may only need an indoor antenna, preferably one that can be rotated and has a switchable amplifier built-in."

Here in Poughkeepsie, I never had much luck with WABC off the VHF antenna since June 12, 2009, so I have a backup with the UHF antenna aimed north - WTEN, the ABC affiliate from Albany, NY. However I've heard that WABC is also raising their power on channel 7 - can anyone confirm this?

No wonder why I have such a great ABC signal, I live within a 5 minute walk of the Empire State Bldg. FOX signal still sux though.

Just walked my parents thru setting up the standard cheap indoor antenna and the tv setting changes. With perfect placement, they were just able to find 7.1.

Their out on LI - about 25miles from the Empire State Building.

The government really should not have let any network move their digital signal to VHF.....

Well this is wierd. This morning I was pulling in ABC with SS@55% 24 miles away. Now I can't lock a signal. Anyone else notice problems? Kind of a coincidence with the Oscars starting within the hour.

I agree... I'm in Suffolk county on Long Island, 32 miles from the ESB. Using a indoor silver sensor uhf antenna sitting on a table pointed west out the window (ground floor) I get around 20 channels including CBS, NBC and FOX. No ABC, WPIX or WNET (7, 11, 13). As much as I would like to get those channels I have no desire to spend any more cash for another antenna. Why couldn't they all be uhf? However with the current cablevision bs I'm inclined to drop them & go all OTA & use the savings for a roof mounted antenna.

Funny that I pull in FOX WNYW the strongest of the stations on the Empire State Building. Channels 4 and 11 are the weaker ones.

a couple of weeks ago i posted that i could for, the first time, get ABC with a decent signal. i didnt even have to play with the antenna much. on the other hand, i lost the weak PBS signal that i used to have.

well, last night i tried to tune to the Oscars and i could not get ABC at all. i spent 30min playing with the antenna and nothing! could ABC have "un-boosted" their signal yesterday back to February levels?

today, without even touching the antenna, i'm getting ABC at 100%....
has anyone else had this dramatic change in signal quality from yesterday to today?

a couple of weeks ago i posted that i could for, the first time, get ABC with a decent signal. i didnt even have to play with the antenna much. on the other hand, i lost the weak PBS signal that i used to have.

well, last night i tried to tune to the Oscars and i could not get ABC at all. i spent 30min playing with the antenna and nothing! could ABC have "un-boosted" their signal yesterday back to February levels?

today, without even touching the antenna, i'm getting ABC at 100%....
has anyone else had this dramatic change in signal quality from yesterday to today?

I had the same problem yesterday. Went from 55% in the morning to 0 at night.

Just walked my parents thru setting up the standard cheap indoor antenna and the tv setting changes. With perfect placement, they were just able to find 7.1.

Their out on LI - about 25miles from the Empire State Building.

The government really should not have let any network move their digital signal to VHF.....

Too bad Cablevision made a deal just before the Oscars. All that work for nothing. Being over 70 miles away from NYC. I knew it would be impossible with an antenna. So I found streaming live. places on internet. Then I checked ABC on TV after 20 minutes and it was on.

All was just a scare. It is a shame they play with people.

The good thing was they offered a free payperview movie. No charge. For one day. So atleast I got a movie for today. Expires at midnight. They thought they would not have ABC.

could ABC have deliberately killed the OTA signal during the Oscars! it is 100% now! c'mom. that sucks.

No way would or could Disney jeopardize its license by "killing" its OTA signal.

Additionally, many other cable companies rely on OTA reception to distribute WABC's signal.

well, it's odd that i can throw the antenna at any position now and i get ABC at 100%. yesterday i couldnt get it at all, despite all effort.

PBS still sucks... i wish they boosted their signal a little.

could ABC have deliberately killed the OTA signal during the Oscars! it is 100% now! c'mom. that sucks.
I got the Oscars fine last night OTA. In fact, I get 7, 11, and 13 with no problem; I have many more problems with 2, 4, 5, and 9. (I do get 21, 25, and 50, so it's not a UHF problem).

well, it's odd that i can throw the antenna at any position now and i get ABC at 100%. yesterday i couldnt get it at all, despite all effort.

Today, up here in Middletown, NY 10940, I can not receive WABC 7.
Signal is way down, like they lowered power or changed the antenna pattern

could ABC have deliberately killed the OTA signal during the Oscars! it is 100% now! c'mom. that sucks.

NO my aunt got it at 98% signal. The OSCARS. Must of been something with you or area?

this doesnt make sense.... there was no bad weather. how can the signal be 100% one day and zero the next?

maybe the signal was restored 5-10min into the Oscars...(?) i was "playing" with the antenna during the red carpet warm-up and completely gave up once the time for the Oscars arrived. maybe that was the point at which the signal level went up.

well, no biggie. what really matters for me is PBS and it has looked bad since ABC got its signal boost. :-(

I, also am having problems with WNET, which shares an antenna with 7 and 11, for
the past 3 or 4 weeks.

The reading on my SNR % meter has gone way down and the signal for me has become unstable. I've e-mailed WNET, let's see if I ever get a response.

Channel 7 PQ is back to normal again. I am watching last weeks Lost on it now OTA and it is much clearer than it was last week. Guess they boost the bandwidth for the Oscars. Lets hope they don't screw around with it again.

this doesnt make sense.... there was no bad weather. how can the signal be 100% one day and zero the next?

maybe the signal was restored 5-10min into the Oscars...(?) i was "playing" with the antenna during the red carpet warm-up and completely gave up once the time for the Oscars arrived. maybe that was the point at which the signal level went up.

well, no biggie. what really matters for me is PBS and it has looked bad since ABC got its signal boost. :-(

Interference? Do you live near a airport? a power plant? Something big? All I can tell you is the signal was fine. So that leaves you or your area.


How far are you from ESB? You using indoor antenna?

it cannot be interference. i'm 9mi from ESB. no airports, no nothing.

but like i said, i played with the antenna for 30min, during the red carpet pre-show (the segment that immediately preceded the Oscars ceremony). once the time for the Oscars came (i think it was scheduled for 8:30pm), i gave up on ABC and "tuned" to Hulu to watch "Alfred Hitchcock Presents"! old, but great! :-)

so i dont know how good/bad the ABC signal was during the Oscars per se. all i know is: during the weeks that preceded the Oscars, ABC's signal was great, during the red carpet pre-show, it was zero, and since Monday, i'm getting 100% again!

P.S.: i dont watch ABC everyday so i dont know how often their signal fluctuates.

Watched the entire Oscar show OTA - no problems - signal never stronger!

yeh, I watched that 7-1 Oscar night, good PQ solid OTA, too bad I fell asleep, who won the best picture ? never mind.

yeh, I watched that 7-1 Oscar night, good PQ solid OTA, too bad I fell asleep, who won the best picture ? never mind.


Wings

The good thing about digital for us is the reception. We get all the main channels. I remember analog. The low numbers were terrible. 2 cbs (had alot of snow) 4 nbc (medimum snow) 5 fox (had some snow) Now all these channels are crystal clear. So we are happy for digital.

One thing we would like back is the HSN. I would think that since HSN makes a living off of TV. They would be on digital?

And you would want to have the HSN for entertainment or shopping purpose?
The entertainment is like Window shopping, right ?

The good thing about digital in NY, at least for me, was before the transition when I was able to receive more channels and more often!

Now you have to share them with us, so you get less.
Still, the PQ is far better and reception far,far,far better if you get it, rain or snow no more -replaced by pixelation or worse

You've missed my point - it had to do with digital in NY before the transition and after the transition.

I was not comparing analog to digital!

And you would want to have the HSN for entertainment or shopping purpose?
The entertainment is like Window shopping, right ?

Yes my Aunt enjoys watching it.

As I said before we are lucky we get 33 including subs. ALL the Majors with a 90 plus signal. All from a indoor/outdoor antenna from 7 miles away.

With the dishpal she gets a full guide with show description. Almost like TVguide. Also the correct time.

So the benefits of digital for my aunt is great. Much better then analog.

Of course we are aware of people who lost stations. So we are thankful.

One thing we would like back is the HSN. I would think that since HSN makes a living off of TV. They would be on digital?

They have a permit for channel 41 but it's not on the air yet.

- Trip

hsn makes most of its money thru cable and satellite distribution. in fact they know exactly where the sales come from. on your 1st purchase they ask what channel you view them on. also they have different 800 ordering numbers on some providers like verizon and satellite.

The good thing about digital for us is the reception. We get all the main channels. I remember analog. The low numbers were terrible. 2 cbs (had alot of snow) 4 nbc (medimum snow) 5 fox (had some snow) Now all these channels are crystal clear. So we are happy for digital.

One thing we would like back is the HSN. I would think that since HSN makes a living off of TV. They would be on digital?

Can someone recommend a good indoor antenna for OTA HDTV in Manhattan? Preferably no more than $50-60 and unobtrusively cool looking is a plus.

AntennaWeb recommends a Midrange Directional. Any thoughts?

Can someone recommend a good indoor antenna for OTA HDTV in Manhattan? Preferably no more than $50-60 and unobtrusively cool looking is a plus.

AntennaWeb recommends a Midrange Directional. Any thoughts?

Why don't you try a Terk/Audiovox HDTVi - this is an un-amplified, VHF/UHF antenna.

It's available for less than $30 - try to buy it at a place where it can be returned if it doesn't satisfy your needs.

It should work well for you.

Good luck!

I remember when cable came around (twc) 1987 where i reside now. most of cable channels were advertisement free or very few commercials. i remember usa network ran no commercials, you paid cable tv, to watch programming without commercial, now all you see is commercial right after the another, I think hbo showtime are the only networks still left.

Can someone recommend a good indoor antenna for OTA HDTV in Manhattan? Preferably no more than $50-60 and unobtrusively cool looking is a plus.

AntennaWeb recommends a Midrange Directional. Any thoughts?

yes get a terk 1 antenna, ($10) is a great little antenna, i get all my hd channels clearly, with a strong signal, also im surrounded by buildings on all sides. im bout 7 miles from esb. strongly recommend

hsn makes most of its money thru cable and satellite distribution. in fact they know exactly where the sales come from. on your 1st purchase they ask what channel you view them on. also they have different 800 ordering numbers on some providers like verizon and satellite.

Last number I heard there were 34 million on OTA. That number is nothing to sneeze at. They need to be OTA

TW is 12 million, Cablevision is 3.1 million. See the difference? I do

They have a permit for channel 41 but it's not on the air yet.

- Trip

How long does a permit take? How long has it been in submitted?


ty

I ordered the RCA ANT751 from Amazon. Has anyone used a outdoor antenna indoors? I would like to try it indoors because it will take a while to put it outdoors. If I get good reception indoors I might just leave it inside. I am on the top 3rd floor.

How long does a permit take? How long has it been in submitted?


ty

Once a CP is issued by the FCC, the station has three years to build it. It's up to the station how fast they actually get it done which will depend on money, equipment availability/leadtime, money, work crew scheduling, and money.

I ordered the RCA ANT751 from Amazon. Has anyone used a outdoor antenna indoors?




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boom length: 65"
mounted to a camera tripod.
the direction it faces depends on the station i'm trying to get.
i get all stations very well, except:
CW-11 (30%) and PBS-13 (40%).

before ABC-7 boosted its signal, PBS used to come at a decent 70%.

LATV will be gone by 3/22. wpix has removed all references to it on their website.

Talk about an overreaction to a rumor...

And LATV was better when they were mostly English speaking, imo. They used to have a show that made fun of alot of the Spanish-language programming out there and now in many ways, they've become what they used to mock.

LATV will be gone by 3/22. wpix has removed all references to it on their website.


Yep. I saw a mention of that in my latest Cablevision bill that the channel was being removed from their lineup. Maybe those bits will go back to the main channel but somehow I doubt it. They'll just find something else to put there.

" As I said before we are lucky we get 33 including subs. " Certainly, you don't
include the 9 of 39, 2 of 39 is okay since they differentiate programming

LATV will be gone by 3/22. wpix has removed all references to it on their website.

I'm not a gambler, but if I was, my money would be on LATV being replaced with This TV. Any takers? :D

- Trip

i hope you're right.... even though my CW-11 reception sucks.

The reason I suggest it is that This TV has New York as a "coming soon" market on its listings, and I was told that when new markets show up on that list, they're added within four weeks.

- Trip

These are This TV shows:

A Miss Mallard Mystery
Bat Masterson
C.L.Y.D.E
Country Mouse and the City Mouse Adventures, The (E/I)
Emily of New Moon
Green Screen Adventures (E/I)
Horseland (E/I)
Journey to the West
Liberty's Kids (E/I)
Mister Ed
Misterjaw
Mummies Alive!
Potatoes and Dragons
Roland and Ratfink
Sea Hunt
Spider Riders
Stargate SG-1
The Outer Limits
The Patty Duke Show
The Pink Panther
The Pink Panther & Friends: The Ant & The Aardvark
Wimzie's House (E/I)
Wonderful Wizard of Oz (cartoon)


At least there are some shows I might watch. LATV I watch nothing as I unfortunately don't speak Spanish.

Just watched Outer Limits on 55. Does 55 broadcast in HD. I only pick it up through the cable coaxial.

The reason I suggest it is that This TV has New York as a "coming soon" market on its listings, and I was told that when new markets show up on that list, they're added within four weeks.

- Trip

Do you have a link to that coming soon list?

I e-mailed them for weeks and no reply. Not very nice customer service

On their website it said "coming to" Then asks you to sign up for a news letter.

What am I missing? link pls

" As I said before we are lucky we get 33 including subs. " Certainly, you don't
include the 9 of 39, 2 of 39 is okay since they differentiate programming

huh?

We all hope this TV comes to NY. Kinda pissed they never responded in weeks.

Do you have a link to that coming soon list?

I e-mailed them for weeks and no reply. Not very nice customer service

On their website it said "coming to" Then asks you to sign up for a news letter.

What am I missing? link pls

If you go to their website and use the channel selector list on the right you will see coming soon.

I tried to use their email form too. It wasn't displaying correctly in either FF or IE. Oh well, its not that important to me though I would not mind gaining an extra channel.

If you go to their website and use the channel selector list on the right you will see coming soon.

I tried to use their email form too. It wasn't displaying correctly in either FF or IE. Oh well, its not that important to me though I would not mind gaining an extra channel.

Maybe I am not too smart? I still do not see what your talking about. What channel selector? Do you mean local stations? It just says "Coming TO" When I put in NYC. Been that way for a long time I believe

Please point out on this picture on where I should click

ty

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Maybe I am not too smart? I still do not see what your talking about. What channel selector? Do you mean local stations? It just says "Coming TO" When I put in NYC. Been that way for a long time I believe

Please point out on this picture on where I should click

ty

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you are correct - i just saw the "coming to" as well - it probably appears on all markets where there is no service - so not sure what Trip is basing his speculation on

There are plenty of markets that are not listed. It has shown up in markets shortly after appearing on that list, or so I've been told.

Bluefield WV, for instance, is not listed, while Rockford IL is of similar size and is listed.

- Trip

There are plenty of markets that are not listed. It has shown up in markets shortly after appearing on that list, or so I've been told.

Bluefield WV, for instance, is not listed, while Rockford IL is of similar size and is listed.

- Trip

Hopefully you are correct.

I hope so too. I've been wrong before, but hopefully this time I'm not. :D

- Trip

There are plenty of markets that are not listed. It has shown up in markets shortly after appearing on that list, or so I've been told.

Bluefield WV, for instance, is not listed, while Rockford IL is of similar size and is listed.

- Trip

I truly hope you are right, but I thought I remembered that "Coming To" For NYC. It has been there a long time if my memory serves me correct. I hope I am remembering wrong? I do not think so.

I guess in 4 to 6 weeks we will know.


I just wished that they answer my e-mails.

Did anyone go on twitter or facebook and ask them about OTA in NYC?

Just watched Outer Limits on 55. Does 55 broadcast in HD. I only pick it up through the cable coaxial.

If you're talking about WNLY, nope. I'm guessing as small as the station is, they won't be anytime soon, if ever.

(Is) This TV ? from what you guys have shown it looks just another junked, recycled-
reruns, maybe kiddies shows, not for normal people.
Already missing the La-Flicks of LATV, I am too old for gangster movies but black comedies - spoof of spanish gangster flicks,sometime with subtitles, it's really fun to watch.
But (is) This TV ? wPIX-11 are you kidding me?

This TV is mostly old MGM movies with a few other shows thrown in. I find quite a bit that I'd like to watch on their schedule, I simply have no time. (And when I'm at home from school and would have time, I don't have a local affiliate to watch.)

- Trip

if anything i think this tv will appear on a WRNN subchannel


I hope so too. I've been wrong before, but hopefully this time I'm not. :D

- Trip

This TV is mostly old MGM movies with a few other shows thrown in. I find quite a bit that I'd like to watch on their schedule, I simply have no time. (And when I'm at home from school and would have time, I don't have a local affiliate to watch.)

- Trip

My Aunt loves old movies and ION is now showing movies on 31.3 and 31.1 They are newish older movies lol This TV would be a great add on to what ION shows.

if anything i think this tv will appear on a WRNN subchannel

That does not reach queens and would not help us.

That does not reach queens and would not help us.

i doubt this tv has enough money to lease bandwith from a major station like WPIX. keep in mind their last affiliate was a tiny station out of bridgeport that have smaller reach than WRNN. WMBC is another possibility.

i doubt this tv has enough money to lease bandwith from a major station like WPIX. keep in mind their last affiliate was a tiny station out of bridgeport that have smaller reach than WRNN. WMBC is another possibility.

yea what happened to the deal with bridgeport station? Fell apart right? That station still shows as a future station in NYC on tvfool. Under the pending stations

i doubt this tv has enough money to lease bandwith from a major station like WPIX. keep in mind their last affiliate was a tiny station out of bridgeport that have smaller reach than WRNN. WMBC is another possibility.

Um, This TV does not lease bandwidth. They do an ad split. And further, other Tribune stations like WPHL (CW17) in Philly, KTLA (CW5) in Los Angeles, WDCW (CW50) in Washington, etc do carry This TV, so there's already an existing relationship between This TV and Tribune.

- Trip

ok didnt know they do ad split. if that's the case then i would think PIX would have chose to replace this tv after latv is scheduled to go off and leave it on 11.2 rather than moving it to 11.3. less tech savvy OTA viewers i'm sure did not bother to scan after estrella was moved from 11.3 to 11.2. also cable companies have already announced dropping latv with no replacement. my guess is PIX will just have estrella as a sub channel after next week. do u know if any other tribune stations have more than 1 sub? latv now looks little better than a webstream at this point.



Um, This TV does not lease bandwidth. They do an ad split. And further, other Tribune stations like WPHL (CW17) in Philly, KTLA (CW5) in Los Angeles, WDCW (CW50) in Washington, etc do carry This TV, so there's already an existing relationship between This TV and Tribune.

- Trip

Local TV and Tribune are now pretty much under the same management. Among the whole group, only a single station, WQAD, has more than one SD sub (besides WPIX at present).

You could certainly be right. I wonder if there was a reason besides PQ that they decided to drop LATV.

- Trip

when is LATV going off the air on 11.3 what date?


ok didnt know they do ad split. if that's the case then i would think PIX would have chose to replace this tv after latv is scheduled to go off and leave it on 11.2 rather than moving it to 11.3. less tech savvy OTA viewers i'm sure did not bother to scan after estrella was moved from 11.3 to 11.2. also cable companies have already announced dropping latv with no replacement. my guess is PIX will just have estrella as a sub channel after next week. do u know if any other tribune stations have more than 1 sub? latv now looks little better than a webstream at this point.

when is LATV going off the air on 11.3 what date?

It's leaving the Cablevision system on the 23rd, so I'm guessing that's the day it leaves OTA.

It's leaving the Cablevision system on the 23rd, so I'm guessing that's the day it leaves OTA.

OK cool, TY

Does cablevision show any replacement for 11.3?


Maybe I will try to email channel 11? See what happens?

This TV never got back to me


EDIT, Called Cablevision they are showing the 22nd of this month. For Off Air. They also said nothing to reoplace it at this time. Guess it is a wait and see

On the previous page is a photo of an outdoor antenna mounted on a tripod. That got me thinking I should share what I did this week. I've been repainting and remodeling the closet.

I took the old fashioned solid wood closet bar out and instead of throwing it away, I painted it the same color as the living room walls. Then, I put a metal hook on one end and a metal hook in the ceiling near the "sweet spot" in the corner. I mounted the DB-2 antenna from Antennas Direct, which is essetially an outdoor antenna, but often used indoors.

Now, I have a long pole with the antenna at the top. I can walk around the room with it and point it in any direction. I have it hanging from the ceiling hook. I found that by turning it 180 degrees, I am able to get 11.1 and 31.1, which I previously could not watch. Doing so, I don't lose the other channels, so I just leave it in that position now.

Also, I hung a length of swag chain from the ceiling hook in order to adjust the height of the antenna. I can hang the antenna pole from any link to keep it at any height. If I'm having any problem with an important broadcast, like the Superbowl, I am free to adjust the antenna position in several different ways, or even ask someone to stand in the corner and point the antenna where it needs to go!

It looks a little odd, but not outlandishly so. The long white pole reminds me of the one my elementary school teachers used to open and close the high windows and shades when I was a kid.

I'll keep your secret and not tell Martha Stewart!

On the previous page is a photo of an outdoor antenna mounted on a tripod. That got me thinking I should share what I did this week. I've been repainting and remodeling the closet.

better yet: post a picture as well! :D

I think that for wPIX11 to drop LATV is big mistake, with LATV they are more attractive
than the ratings would show, if any. Without LATV the PIX is less watchable.
Whatever they get I just hope it is not going to be another Buffy or UFO - unidentified flying oxen

I think that for wPIX11 to drop LATV is big mistake, with LATV they are more attractive
than the ratings would show, if any. Without LATV the PIX is less watchable.
Whatever they get I just hope it is not going to be another Buffy or UFO - unidentified flying oxen
Is WPIX dropping LATV, or is LATV going out of business everywhere?

I think that for wPIX11 to drop LATV is big mistake, with LATV they are more attractive
than the ratings would show, if any. Without LATV the PIX is less watchable.
Whatever they get I just hope it is not going to be another Buffy or UFO - unidentified flying oxen


Less attractive to whom? I'd like to see them run some older english language shows such as the Honeymooners on a regular schedule on their HD2 or HD 3 channels. Too bad they probably don't have the old Creature Features films or Officer Joe Bolton or Captain Jack Mccarthy shows. now that would be fun to watch again.

Is WPIX dropping LATV, or is LATV going out of business everywhere?

WPIX is dropping it.

- Trip

WPIX is dropping it.

- Trip

Cablevision told me no replacement at this time. Of course what do Operators know. During the Oscars fiasco. They told me to get an antenna for CBS. I said over 70 miles away? Your kidding right.

Even if you were only 5 miles away, an antenna to pick up CBS to watch the Oscars wouldn't do much for you since the Oscar telecast has been on ABC for years!

I think that for wPIX11 to drop LATV is big mistake, with LATV they are more attractive
than the ratings would show, if any. Without LATV the PIX is less watchable.
Whatever they get I just hope it is not going to be another Buffy or UFO - unidentified flying oxen

Noone is gonna miss LATV when 'PIX drops it.

i'm eagerly awaiting the debut of ThisTV in NYC. :)
i wish ABC dropped both LivWell and Weather in favour of RetroTV (in SD).

Even if you were only 5 miles away, an antenna to pick up CBS to watch the Oscars wouldn't do much for you since the Oscar telecast has been on ABC for years!

ooopppppsss but you get the idea

Gentlemen, it's obvious to me that at 1:30 or 2:am morning you have sweet dreams as you deserve good night sleep.
Do you know what more than 30 ch. of this digital era are showing at that hour? With exception of couple religious ch.there is only 1 film wPIX11-3 LATV the L-Flicks, black comedies often with subtitles.
All other ch., with exception here and there now and then, the principals and subs are showing buy, buy, buy, bye, bye, bye.

i'm eagerly awaiting the debut of ThisTV in NYC. :)
i wish ABC dropped both LivWell and Weather in favour of RetroTV (in SD).

i was shocked to see LIVWELL in HD what a waste. They should add THIS TV OR RETRO :confused:

i was shocked to see LIVWELL in HD what a waste. They should add THIS TV OR RETRO :confused:

Well This tv never answered 2 e-mails. Quite rude and not nice. You take time to write them only to be ignored.

Now trying WPIX. Will see if they answer

Less attractive to whom? I'd like to see them run some older english language shows such as the Honeymooners on a regular schedule on their HD2 or HD 3 channels. Too bad they probably don't have the old Creature Features films or Officer Joe Bolton or Captain Jack Mccarthy shows. now that would be fun to watch again.

Certaily BW shows are okay if they are good, worse yet - they would be syndicated at prices cash driven affiliates could not afford.
For brief time afternoon I saw on subs 11-2,3 English reruns shows, so your wish, my loss, may come true, enjoy.
The men have hockey, real futbol-FIFA, fake futbol-NFL, the little ball and
big ball for basket, etc.
The housewives have soap operas- good therapeutic tool to keep their
sanity, energies flowing etc.
The well to do and porngraphers have cable-direct TV to have good times in
spare time, in secret on job etc.
The girls and unattached ladies have their HSN for window shopping of their
dowries,meditating on their wedding which may never come.
And WPIX11 have LATV, and now the out of towners yankees from second
city want to yank it as they have done surely many times before.

Well This tv never answered 2 e-mails. Quite rude and not nice. You take time to write them only to be ignored.

Now trying WPIX. Will see if they answer
If they don't answer 2nd e-mail, use trick - write them in spanish.

just out of curiosity, i decided to double-check the programming of CW's sub-channels now (i had tried those subs a few times months ago).... i used www.TitanTV.com to check the full programming of LATV and Estrella till Thursday. TitanTV is free and no sign-up is needed.

neither LATV nor Estrella have English-spoken shows.... that's why many here favour RetroTV and ThisTV. maybe LATV can be allocated under Univision, Telemundo or Futura.... dont they have room for a new sub in SD?

that would be a nice solution.

I am not sure if this is new programing on 4.2 NBC. It is new to me and I thought I mention it.

It seems that 4.2 is now broadcasting some CNBC, CMBC, NBC, My9 and CNN shows?

I am seeing on my guide info

Shows:

The wall street Journal report

Law & order

my 9 news

The bernie mac show

Malcom in the middle

Meet the press

The chris matthews show


Seems that this NBC sub is now showing other programing. Other then just shows made for this sub station. This looks new to me. I think it is a great Idea. Better then just NY shows (places to eat) 24/7

Is this new? If not how long this has been going on?

Does anyone else notice this?

the TitanTV guide does not show any change.
same programming as always....

I am not sure if this is new programing on 4.2 NBC. It is new to me and I thought I mention it.

It seems that 4.2 is now broadcasting some CNBC, CMBC, NBC, My9 and CNN shows?

I am seeing on my guide info

Shows:

The wall street Journal report

Law & order

my 9 news

The bernie mac show

Malcom in the middle

Meet the press

The chris matthews show


Seems that this NBC sub is now showing other programing. Other then just shows made for this sub station. This looks new to me. I think it is a great Idea. Better then just NY shows (places to eat) 24/7

Is this new? If not how long this has been going on?

Does anyone else notice this?

No!

"Wall Street Journal Report"

"Meet the Press"

"The Chris Matthews Show"

are all properties owned by NBC Universal; the shows you listed that play on WWOR are licensed in the New York Market to News Corp., the station's owner and cannot, will not and do not play on 4.2!

No way!

No!

"Wall Street Journal Report"

"Meet the Press"

"The Chris Matthews Show"

are all properties owned by NBC Universal; the shows you listed that play on WWOR are licensed in the New York Market to News Corp., the station's owner and cannot, will not and do not play on 4.2!

No way!

So how do you explain me just watching the WALL STREET Journal report?

I just looked at my TV guide ON THE TV. These are some of the shows showing up. meet the press is at 9pm and 10 pm is Chris Mathews. If it does not show up in 30 minutes I will let you know

Maybe my TV guide is going bonkers? The guide is correct with the show on now. give and take with julie menin

I am not lying, So I guess we will see

Punked is showing up at 2 am


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It must be my tv that is going nuts? I went to yahoo TV and did see


"Wall Street Journal Report"

"Meet the Press"

"The Chris Matthews Show"


Are these shows new for 4.2?

So how do you explain me just watching the WALL STREET Journal report?

I just looked at my TV guide ON THE TV. These are some of the shows showing up. meet the press is at 9pm and 10 pm is Chris Mathews. If it does not show up in 30 minutes I will let you know

Maybe my TV guide is going bonkers? The guide is correct with the show on now. give and take with julie menin

I am not lying, So I guess we will see

Punked is showing up at 2 am

I mentioned that "Wall Street Journal" and the other shows that are owned by NBC Universal - yes - but the other shows, the ones that are on channel 9- no way.

I mentioned that "Wall Street Journal" and the other shows that are owned by NBC Universal - yes - but the other shows, the ones that are on channel 9- no way.

Could be my TV is messed up. Seemed impossible. That is why I posted in the first place


Also are the NBC shows a NEW ADD ON to 4.2 You ignore that question? I asked before.

No!

I have made referrence to it couple months ago when I was suggesting that CBS2-4
should get sub for reruns of 60 minutes, McL...show and other politically related shows in head on competition with Prime time reruns on NBC4-2 Meet the press, The Chris Matthews Show and other NBCproperties.
The Wall Street Journal Report is comparatively new 2-3wks, probably syndicated

So the 11-3 LATV is off the air,now there are only wPIX11-1,2.
But I checked the Estrilla EPG, interesting arrangement, the 11-2 is still listed as LATV and underneath is Estrilla. True, they do not give names of shows in EPG/Info, but
the general shows are listed in 2hours intervals from morning to night.
Today from 8-10 some provocative movie, no subtitles. it looks to me that Estrilla andLATV may be splitting time and revenue of their portion, also the movies on Estrilla are listed as L-Flicks of LATV.
This tv tandem of Estrilla/LATV could be powerful combination of bi-lingual movie channel competing not only for spanish audience, hope I am right.

I am not sure if this is new programing on 4.2 NBC. It is new to me and I thought I mention it.

It seems that 4.2 is now broadcasting some CNBC, CMBC, NBC, My9 and CNN shows?

I am seeing on my guide info

Shows:

The wall street Journal report

Law & order

my 9 news

The bernie mac show

Malcom in the middle

Meet the press

The chris matthews show


Seems that this NBC sub is now showing other programing. Other then just shows made for this sub station. This looks new to me. I think it is a great Idea. Better then just NY shows (places to eat) 24/7

Is this new? If not how long this has been going on?

Does anyone else notice this?

What? I never saw any of those shows.

What? I never saw any of those shows.

Seems my TV guide on my TV is wacky. Meet the press and Chris Mathews is showing on Yahoo TV website

Looks like CBS2-1 have been bounced from 2-4 to 2-5, some conv.boxes enter 2 go
to 42-1 Daystar, more complicated boxes go to 2-1CBS.
Seems Korean 17-4 Audio has virus, hard to surf

No more latv!!

what is going on with these stations, channel 5-1 is same as 5-2 and 9-1 same as 9-2 but the 9-1 is harder to get then 9-2 :eek:. Channel 11 still is almost impossible to pick up and 13 also, why the hell are they still on VHF and haven't gone back to UHF :mad:? It takes a big wind to piggyback channel 11 single 14 miles so i can pick it up, this is crazy.

another strange thing is my TV is jumping to 5-2 before 5-1 when either you go directly or scan with the remote.

what is going on with these stations, channel 5-1 is same as 5-2 and 9-1 same as 9-2 but the 9-1 is harder to get then 9-2 :eek:. Channel 11 still is almost impossible to pick up and 13 also, why the hell are they still on VHF and haven't gone back to UHF :mad:? It takes a big wind to piggyback channel 11 single 14 miles so i can pick it up, this is crazy.

another strange thing is my TV is jumping to 5-2 before 5-1 when either you go directly or scan with the remote.

Channel mapping is why. 5-1 and 9-2 is on RF 44. 9-1 and 5-2 is on RF 38. That is why you can get one and not the other. That's exactly why they did it that way (so if you can get 38 and not 44, you still get MY9 and Fox5. Same if you can get 44 and not 38). Previously SD Ch. 9 was mapped as 5-2 and SD Ch. 5 was mapped as 9-2. They recently changed that and this is the result.

Anyone find out if something new will go on 11.3 WPIX?

I tried to e-mail this TV and WPIX and no answer at all. Very rude. Why have a contact us section if they do not return e-mails

Among the conv.boxes, in your oppinion which box is better the one having Full/Add scan 2 passing under 5 min. or the conv.box with 1 pass Full Scan or Add Scan less than 1 min.?
What do you think, what's your oppinion, gentlemen ?

I think there is a forum for converter boxes.

Anyway I have NO idea what you are talking about.

However I own 4 boxes: RCA, Channel Master, PAL and Zenith.

They all have their pros and cons. There are also websites that give reviews.

If your TV has S-Video input the Channel Master will give the best picture.

The PAL has features similar to the PALDVR.

I put back up my antenna last week after I took it down last year. Looks like I might have to make a few changes, namely get a VHF antenna. 7 is the only VHF that really comes in here, I'm missing 11 and 13.

There's a local station WNJJ-LD that plays infomercials for health and beauty products 24x7. The problem is that it's on channel 41, so it wipes out WXTV-DT. No problem as my cable provider carries WXTV.

By the way I went to Target yesterday and they still had DTV converter boxes. So if you need one you can probably still pick up one.

Anyone find out if something new will go on 11.3 WPIX?

I tried to e-mail this TV and WPIX and no answer at all. Very rude. Why have a contact us section if they do not return e-mails

probably nothing. if they were going to put something on, they would have done it when LATV was dropped. other than the brief overlap of estrella and LATV, they've never had more than 1 subchannel so don't count them adding something.

There's a local station WNJJ-LD that plays infomercials for health and beauty products 24x7. The problem is that it's on channel 41, so it wipes out WXTV-DT. No problem as my cable provider carries WXTV.

So WNJJ-LD is on the air now? Mapping to 41-1?

- Trip

Yup...my TV actually picks up both when I go up and down the channels. I see two 41.1s. One with infomercials and the other with latin programs.

Ouch.

- Trip

probably nothing. if they were going to put something on, they would have done it when LATV was dropped. other than the brief overlap of estrella and LATV, they've never had more than 1 subchannel so don't count them adding something.

I was thinking the same. No e-mail reply from WPIX or This TV

So I guess nothing more for WPIX. Hope I am wrong

The bad weather had little affect on TV line up, ch.9wor was on 44,ch.13wnet had broken signal/pixelation, and wpix11 without LATV looks too empty - and they call it progress.

The bad weather had little affect on TV line up, ch.9wor was on 44,ch.13wnet had broken signal/pixelation, and wpix11 without LATV looks too empty - and they call it progress.

I would of been satisfied if they answered my e-mail

The way mind of men but women as well works is the sense of curiosity, go to library with English text ,aske them to translate into spanish (or Korean) and they will do it for you for free,of course, and E-mail It to the station, see what will happen,
If they have somebody on staff who speak Espanol they may respond, if it is in English everybody, anybody can read it but as far they are concerned they have no time for silly things.
And if they do not have anybody who speaks Spanish on staff, and they received 100+spanish E-mail, next time they go to hire somebody they may require bilingual that is Hispanic person to be hired, comprende?

The way mind of men but women as well works is the sense of curiosity, go to library with English text ,aske them to translate into spanish (or Korean) and they will do it for you for free,of course, and E-mail It to the station, see what will happen,
If they have somebody on staff who speak Espanol they may respond, if it is in English everybody, anybody can read it but as far they are concerned they have no time for silly things.
And if they do not have anybody who speaks Spanish on staff, and they received 100+spanish E-mail, next time they go to hire somebody they may require bilingual that is Hispanic person to be hired, comprende?

Alo, I understand your perspective as someone who obviously speaks Spanish as a primary or secondary language.

Let's turn things around a bit though. How is it the Ch's 41, 47, 68, 39 don't have any English language programing on their HD 2 channels?

At one time channel 47 was an English language station with studios in the Mosque theater in Newark. None of the current Spanish language stations have HD 3 channels either. If you want more Spanish language programs in NY, may I suggest you start there.

I realize that our politicians don't have the nerve to open up for a vote or even debate, the fact that English is the official language of the United States, but for those of us who have lived here our entire lives, English is the official language of this country and all other languages are foreign.

No one is going into Mexico or any of the hemisphers Spanish language countries and insisting that they have English language stations. Once you get away from the Mexican border there are no English language stations in Mexico.

In the 1970's Mexico City had XEVIP which was all news in English but that is long gone. I'm not suggesting that we should only have English language broadcasters, but why should it be such a loss when an English language station doesn't contain a Spanish language sub channel?

We could use more English stations in NYC. I can think of programing I'd like to see which isn't available any longer that would fit perfectly on one of the current sub channels.

Excellent points!

However as we both know it is a business and about making money. If money is to be made with Korean, Spanish etc centric broadcasting entrepreneurs will set up stations aimed at that market. If the market exists fine. If not the station will go away or the programming will.

Ditto for more English language OTA stations. If there is a market the stations will come. It may take more time but if the population of OTA viewers grows it will happen. On the otherhand if the OTA viewership declines there will be fewer OTA station options.

Its all about money and my understanding it there is not much in OTA. I hope OTA grows and I try to promote it with friends and family but a lot of people are hooked on ESPN and other programming only available on cable, FIOS or Satellite.

Excellent points!

However as we both know it is a business and about making money. If money is to be made with Korean, Spanish etc centric broadcasting entrepreneurs will set up stations aimed at that market. If the market exists fine. If not the station will go away or the programming will.

Ditto for more English language OTA stations. If there is a market the stations will come. It may take more time but if the population of OTA viewers grows it will happen. On the otherhand if the OTA viewership declines there will be fewer OTA station options.

Its all about money and my understanding it there is not much in OTA. I hope OTA grows and I try to promote it with friends and family but a lot of people are hooked on ESPN and other programming only available on cable, FIOS or Satellite.

I realize that what you are saying is correct Len. I have satellite service in my house and also a terrestrial antenna (which if the FCC gets its wish will be so much junk, once they sell off the remaining TV spectrum to the highest bidder) . By the way, the cable channels while fractionalizing the market each have a relatively low number of viewers when compared with the audience figures for ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS & Fox. Everything is relative. While Fox news boasts that they are the number one cable news network, numbers wise they'd be well seated in last place when compared with any of the major networks newscasts. Everythiing is relative of course.

Yup...my TV actually picks up both when I go up and down the channels. I see two 41.1s. One with infomercials and the other with latin programs.

How is that possible? If both are on the same channel I don't think you can pick them up reliably, unless you get both of them part time which is really a mess. What was the FCC thinking when it granted these low power DTV licenses to useless infomercial stations on established channels anyway?

WXTV is on 40, mapping to 41-1. WNJJ-LD is actually on 41 and apparently maps to 41-1 as well.

- Trip

WXTV is on 40, mapping to 41-1. WNJJ-LD is actually on 41 and apparently maps to 41-1 as well.

- Trip

Oh that explains it. I mistakenly thought that WXTV moved to 41 post transition. I still have a few antenna issues to iron out here which is why I'm not getting them.

They moved Azteca TV to CH 63.6

I looked at WNJJ on Google Earth, and it appears to be right next to the county line of Sussex and Morris counties, close to Lake Mohawk and about 10-15 deg (by my crude estimation) off my path to NYC.

I have to wonder if they were hoping to get placement on local cable systems since that would be a strategic place for them to do so.

I don't know if they have any future plans but looking at them in TSReader is almost comical, if not sad. 75% NULL packets and only one SD stream. What a waste of a 6MHz channel.

I looked at WNJJ on Google Earth, and it appears to be right next to the county line of Sussex and Morris counties, close to Lake Mohawk and about 10-15 deg (by my crude estimation) off my path to NYC.

I have to wonder if they were hoping to get placement on local cable systems since that would be a strategic place for them to do so.

I don't know if they have any future plans but looking at them in TSReader is almost comical, if not sad. 75% NULL packets and only one SD stream. What a waste of a 6MHz channel.

Could you send me an HTML Export for it?

- Trip

Sent

Thanks. :)

- Trip

I finally put up my roof antenna. It is the RCA ANT751. I have it pointed towards downtown Manhatten. Well the UHF channels like 2 and 4 and 9 come in better. I peak them in the 80's. Channel 31 is still a lost cause. Can barely get it around 50. I thought that channel was going to boost power because I think that it is pathetic that a channel that suppose to be full power I can barely get even outdoors yet I can now get that all infomercial low power station channel 64 stronger. Channel 41 I can finally get around the high 60's to 70's and channel 47 is really strong. The strongest. Channel 68 is also around the 80's.

The VHF channel 7 comes in the high 80's to sometimes 90's but channel 11 I don't see any improvement at all even with my old indoor Terk. I can only peak it in the mid 50's. Sometimes 60. I can't believe that channel has not boosted there power yet. Channel 13 suffers from great multipath issues. The day I put up the antenna it was going from the 60's down to the 40's. The next day it was not breaking up but still fluctuates a lot from the 50's to mid 60's. So except for channel 7 which I never had problems getting the other two channels there is no improvements actually channel 13 is worse.

Now I know I do have multipath issues as I will post pics later. Right where the antenna is pointing faces downtown Manhattan with all the tall buildings. I don't have a clear sight to the ESB.

With as much multipath as you have, it may be beneficial to try pointing in different directions to see if there's a direction where maybe the reflections are more stable than the direct path. I've seen that happen more than once, especially when, as in your case, you don't have direct line of sight due to obstructions.

- Trip

trip, you took the words right out my mouth, i was gonna suggest the same thing, i went to my roof yesterday and turn my yagi north, and i got a better signal pointed towards ESB, I have buildings right across my street that block most of my signal, i cant get any new jersey stations, but its weird i point the yagi towards the buildings i can get wedw ch 49 plus all the upstate stations around 90-100 signal level. look you said trip maybe you can get a good signal from bouncing from surface. thats my two cents worth. lol

My uncle put up the antenna and he was inpacent. I was talking to him on my mobile phone while he was moving the antenna. I used channel 41 and channel 7 to peak the antenna. Channel 13 was breaking up bad that day but now the last few days it has been fine but fluctuating a lot from the 50's to 60's. Channel 11 right now is on the border line of breaking up and losing it. Getting it in the high 40's. On my set anything below 45 is a black screen.

Also the UHF channels are mainly in the high 70's to 80's except for channel 31 which is pathetic at best to try to get a good signal. Also forgot to say that channel 50 is bad now since it is pointing in a different direction but channel 66 is now the same signal strength in the 70's as channel 4 which are next to each other. RF 29 and RF 28.

Is there Mobile DTV transmission now in NYC? If yes, which channel?
I believe that channels 36 (Telemundo) and 31 (Ion) experimented with mobile DTV. Did they hut this transmission down? If yes, Why?
Thanks,

Last time I was in town (January) it was on WPXN-31 only. I did not receive WLNY-47 but I assume that was still up as well.

It was not present on WNJU-36, which had been operating as a test signal when they had two transmitters going.

- Trip

Thanks. Would a TSreader help in determining?

Anyone remember in the 80's that ship off of Long Island. They called it PIRATE RADIO. They played rock until they were stopped

Since no major station will do movies 24/7

How about PIRATE MOVIES ship lol

Yes. Look for a bunch of data doing seemingly nothing at either PID 0x1eee or 0x1ff6; that's Mobile DTV.

- Trip

Yes. Look for a bunch of data doing seemingly nothing at either PID 0x1eee or 0x1ff6; that's Mobile DTV.

- Trip

I don't have one...
Would you folks who own a TSreader please find who in NYC transmits Mobile DTV?
Thanks much.

The CM4228 uses the reflective screen as the primary radiating element for VHF. It works at high VHF. Not as well as a log periodic or a long boom yagi, but it works.

I don't have one...
Would you folks who own a TSreader please find who in NYC transmits Mobile DTV?
Thanks much.

I'll check when I get home later (I forgot to carry my tuner stick with me today) but I'm pretty sure WPXN is still carrying mobile DTV.

Hey everyone, i got to see thistv last night it was coming in skip from wtxx ch20 hartford ct. i got to see an outer limits episode, (things unknown) it was shown at 4 am last night. got to see the program promos. and movies theyre showing this month. is not too bad its watchable, i hoping like everyone, that it shows up in nyc ota lineup soon.

Hey everyone, i got to see thistv last night it was coming in skip from wtxx ch20 hartford ct. i got to see an outer limits episode, (things unknown) it was shown at 4 am last night. got to see the program promos. and movies theyre showing this month. is not too bad its watchable, i hoping like everyone, that it shows up in nyc ota lineup soon.

What does coming in skip mean? You live in CT? Confused:confused:

Monday I made a mess out of the transformer that came with the antenna. It's defective to begin with. When you move the coax cable it would twist with it. Also one of the ends that connect to the antenna broke off. I walked to RadioShack and got a new one for $6 and it did improve reception. Channel 7 now stays in the high 80's and I even peaked it to 96.

Channel 11 was giving me major problems and last night I lost it completly. Today it is now coming in the mid 70's and it is stable but who knows for how long. For anyone who knows has channel 11 been running in reduced power because it sure seems like it was.

Channel 13 is still a frustration that I would like to end. It comes in the 60's but keeps fluctuating in the low 50's and sometimes 40's. At times it would start breaking up a lot for a few minutes then it would be fine. It is a bit better with the new transformer but still a major annoyance. I think that they are having reception problems must be a weaker signal and now it is not my antenna pointing because I get all the stations except channel 31 on the ESB strong.

@keyboard21

Skip refers to refraction or reflection of a radio or television signal by the atmosphere, resulting in the the signal being received significantly beyond its intended reception area. This is usually a temporary occurrence resulting from favorable weather or ionospheric conditions.

Basically, nycdigital09, who presumably lives in NYC, is saying that he was able to watch the ThisTV signal from Hartford one night, even though he cannot normally receive that station.

(see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_and_FM_DX )

Semi very nice explanation of what E skip , I live in queens near lga. reddice, i seriously think your reception (multipath) might be worse than mine, thats saying alot i got high rises (buildings) no more than 50 ft from my location in direct path to esb. i usually point my uhf yagi due north towards westchester. I wish that i had bought a signal meter like trip, then i would know where to put my antenna ?

I don't have one...
Would you folks who own a TSreader please find who in NYC transmits Mobile DTV?
Thanks much.

OK so based on what Trip said WPXN is not doing mobile DTV anymore.

I'll send him my latest TSreader and see what he says.

OK so based on what Trip said WPXN is not doing mobile DTV anymore.

I'll send him my latest TSreader and see what he says.

My inbox is ready to accept TSReader data. :D

- Trip

So it looks like I was wrong, the PID was 0x1ff9 and they (WPXN) are indeed transmitting mobile DTV... unfortunately my signal is fading a bit but I'll have a better signal later.

Raj2001 & Trip in VA:
Thanks very much for your help.
WPXN is then the sole transmitter of Mobile DTV at this time but their service in NYC is very poor because their antenna is side-mounted on the ESB face well below the top mast.
Please let us know if you find out that other NYC stations start transmitting mobile DTV. I'll try to get a tuner...

R.F., because of the Easter Holy Days, I could not respond, but basically I agree with
you that the English language stations should have more English programming, but for
the spanish usually affiliates like 47 even for network like Univision41 to have Engl.
sub. as LenL has indicated would be prohibitively expensive- it is called mismanagement,must go,Alo

I scanned everything I could pick up on my rabbit ears here in midtown manhattan. Only WPXN has mobile DTV thus far.

As for their signal strength, I have no problems picking them up 50 miles from the ESB. WNYW is a different matter though.

R.F., because of the Easter Holy Days, I could not respond, but basically I agree with
you that the English language stations should have more English programming, but for
the spanish usually affiliates like 47 even for network like Univision41 to have Engl.
sub. as LenL has indicated would be prohibitively expensive- it is called mismanagement,must go,Alo

I agree with you totaly Alo.Ch 47 is owned by NBC, not some mom and pop. their audience deserevs to be serevd fully. I have no problem with every TV station having Spanish subtitles (or Russian or any other language). I also believe it would be great if stations used some of their digital bandwidth to provide multiple language translations for their programs. There's so much that can be done to exetnd TV programs to more people without turning the TV landscape into an us vs them arena.

Also, happy belated Easter to you and your family Alo.

Telefutura (Channel 68) is airing "El Capo" (Colombian TV series produced by FOX and Telecolombia) with English Subtitles and in HD.

Also from 8-11PM the telenovelas from Channel 47 include English subtitles, some reruns at daytime also include the subs.

The English subtitles are on Closed Caption 3 (CC3). Telemundo has been doing this since 2002.

R.F., you have indicated that you have some ideas about the TV programming that some of the TV stations could do, what is it ?
I've got from BPL some new release of MI-5 probably 6 Volume 1DVD-2 one hour episodes of BBC, shockingly good, well written Rusian spies/terrorists-jihadists kind of stories a la Alias, it is as if they are begging to be picked up by TV stations, really worthy, good shows - would be good on 9 or 11- even 5ch to fill their subs.
Or the cult following French high octane action thriller film like 'District B13' I and sequel II, bad cops -with exceptions,gangs, hero - antiheros, hero is chased on foot he jumps out of window catches emergency ready rope slides down runs away - gangster see it, says to himself ,you do it-I can do it, jumps out and misses - on 8th floor. only french can think it.
or the Rusian Brother 1and 2,must go

Channel 11 & 13 & 31 are now breakup city. Pathetic even with a outdoor antenna they are not reliable. 7 stronger than ever. Typing this on my ipod so I can't day much.

I'm 40 miles north of NYC, on the Hudson river. I am lucky and get all NY digital channels with no real issues. CBS is 100, and the worst is 13 with 87. The on roof antenna is overkill for my distance, but allows me to split the signal four ways without an amp. I use quality splitters, properly terminated and the antenna is correctly grounded.

I used to get NJN weakly but readably. It was off axis for the NY stations, but I was able to get it every fall and winter, only losing it when the trees bloomed in spring. I watched the signal strength drop slowly, where my three oldest tuners would lose it in "age order" and finally my widescreen tuner would lose it. There is a large difference between my US Digital first gen tuner, the Sony HD 250 second gen, and the tuner in the Panasonic set.

NJN is now gone. I don't even get the unwatchable signal I used to get before. All other channels are as before, and there were no other changes in my antenna system. Even the best tuner does not see any signal at all.

Has NJN changed power, antenna patterns or locations ? I miss my Motorweek (actually just the car tests at the track) and WNET 13 does not carry Motorweek-or Tracks Ahead (rail buff too)

Thanks !

The on roof antenna is overkill for my distance, but allows me to split the signal four ways without an amp. I use quality splitters, properly terminated and the antenna is correctly grounded.


speedlaw what antenna are you using thats overkill from 40 miles out, are you using a preamp, which kind, i like to know cos i might be moving upstate

Might try a amp 4miles and 11, 13 & 31 are so weak. No PBS in HD for me.

Hi, I hope I am positing this in the right place. I am a noob to the whole OTA thing in NYC. I'm trying to work a system I "inherited" in the Bronx that uses a set of four Scientific Atlanta 9887 (aka Sencore 9854) receivers for OTA.

Three of the boxes are capable of receiving two channels, one box has only one tuner. The channels I'm trying to work are WCBS (33), WNBC (28), WNYW (44), WABC (7), WWOR (38), WPIX (11) and WNET (13).

I'm still trying to get information on the antenna(s) being used, what direction their pointed in, etc.

The SA9987 tuners don't have any "channel scan" functionality; basically all you can do is set it to a channel and see how well it tunes. I've been using antennaweb.org for my frequency information. However, a little farther down in the system I'm able to see the major/minor channels that are on the frequency that each tuner is receiving.

Generally, the system works pretty well, but there are occasional problems where one channel will be fine one day, dead the next day, then back to being fine the following day, with AFAIK no changes made to the antennas.

Over this past weekend, for a while it looked like the tuner that was on WABC 7 was playing out infomercials, but again AFAIK no changes were made to the tuners or the antennas.

So the long-story-short noob question is, are terrestrial channels in NYC "unstable" like this by nature? I know things were a little crazy around last June, but I would think that by now things would've stabilized a bit?

Hi, I hope I am positing this in the right place. I am a noob to the whole OTA thing in NYC. I'm trying to work a system I "inherited" in the Bronx that uses a set of four Scientific Atlanta 9887 (aka Sencore 9854) receivers for OTA.

Three of the boxes are capable of receiving two channels, one box has only one tuner. The channels I'm trying to work are WCBS (33), WNBC (28), WNYW (44), WABC (7), WWOR (38), WPIX (11) and WNET (13).

I'm still trying to get information on the antenna(s) being used, what direction their pointed in, etc.

The SA9987 tuners don't have any "channel scan" functionality; basically all you can do is set it to a channel and see how well it tunes. I've been using antennaweb.org for my frequency information. However, a little farther down in the system I'm able to see the major/minor channels that are on the frequency that each tuner is receiving.

Generally, the system works pretty well, but there are occasional problems where one channel will be fine one day, dead the next day, then back to being fine the following day, with AFAIK no changes made to the antennas.

Over this past weekend, for a while it looked like the tuner that was on WABC 7 was playing out infomercials, but again AFAIK no changes were made to the tuners or the antennas.

So the long-story-short noob question is, are terrestrial channels in NYC "unstable" like this by nature? I know things were a little crazy around last June, but I would think that by now things would've stabilized a bit?

If you inherited the system, I'd check the antennas first-rule out a loose connection at the antenna, as some folks don't really weatherproof the connections. Electrical tape and silicone are your friends, and make sure the wire is physically secured (zip ties !). The channels are usually there or not. Seasonal changes are slow, not 0-70-10-100 day by day.

Good luck with 13 I now lost it completly.

Well I've mostly been enjoying OTA reception in brooklyn - via my TivoHD (buh-bye Time Warner!). However, a couple of things are still bugging me from perfect reception nirvana.

Firstly, I was recommended here to buy the antennas direct db2 antenna, which I did, and mounted on my roof. The roof is a brownstone in boerum hill with no true line of site to the ESB - just a few buildings really, but one directly across the street from me. I thought that since the db2 was a multi-directional antenna that this would be a good thing.

But now, after exhaustive searching on this 'topic' (that should really be a separate forum ;) )I've read about multipath.

My main problem is with CBS 2.1 - It holds steady at about 67% and then will plummet - pixelate the screen for a second or two and then come back. I've had instances of this on 13.1 PBS as well but not as badly. I've done the tvfool thing and that other one and pointed my antenna in various directions but nothing seems to improve. Now I hear people saying that in locations/situations like mine a Directional antenna is the way to go?

Since I've already got the mounting bracket attached to the chimney, getting a new antenna isn't that much of a hassle, but I'm wondering if anyone would care to chime in on this?

TIA

Well I've mostly been enjoying OTA reception in brooklyn - via my TivoHD (buh-bye Time Warner!). However, a couple of things are still bugging me from perfect reception nirvana.

Firstly, I was recommended here to buy the antennas direct db2 antenna, which I did, and mounted on my roof. The roof is a brownstone in boerum hill with no true line of site to the ESB - just a few buildings really, but one directly across the street from me. I thought that since the db2 was a multi-directional antenna that this would be a good thing.

But now, after exhaustive searching on this 'topic' (that should really be a separate forum ;) )I've read about multipath.

My main problem is with CBS 2.1 - It holds steady at about 67% and then will plummet - pixelate the screen for a second or two and then come back. I've had instances of this on 13.1 PBS as well but not as badly. I've done the tvfool thing and that other one and pointed my antenna in various directions but nothing seems to improve. Now I hear people saying that in locations/situations like mine a Directional antenna is the way to go?

Since I've already got the mounting bracket attached to the chimney, getting a new antenna isn't that much of a hassle, but I'm wondering if anyone would care to chime in on this?

TIA

Are you using RG6 or better HD cable? From the Antenna to your TV or Tivo box? Makes a difference in strength. About 5 points vrs regular coax cable. For me anyway.

WNJN 50.1 is fine here in NWNJ. Apart from WNJJ they are my strongest signal.

I pass by the tower in Montclair every day so no it hasn't fallen down. :D

If you want to see the tower up close it's right next to the MSU train stop on NJ transit.

As for 47, hopefully when W36AZ (analog PBS) goes off air and switches to digital on another channel maybe I'll be able to pick up WNJU. But as it is not even the cable company will carry them, in fact the cable headend is right next to them.

( WNJN 50.1 is fine here in NWNJ. Apart from WNJJ they are my strongest signal )

raj2001 I cant believe you can receive any signal from ESB from your location your on the other side of high point park. extreme northwest nj. you must be on high terrain. you can probably get scranton/wb stations if you turn your antenna opposite direction.

( WNJN 50.1 is fine here in NWNJ. Apart from WNJJ they are my strongest signal )

raj2001 I cant believe you can receive any signal from ESB from your location your on the other side of high point park. extreme northwest nj. you must be on high terrain. you can probably get scranton/wb stations if you turn your antenna opposite direction.

I'm on the SE side of High point Park, so NYC is doable. If you look up my amateur radio callsign you'll see where I am. Heightwise I'm not the highest thing out here but I'm ~800ft AMSL which is good enough.

I receive everything from the ESB except for WNYW. But the catch is that the antenna has to be on top of my ham tower. Even on the roof I don't get much of anything.

I haven't tried Scranton/WB but that's on my todo list. I do get them via tropo from time to time though. A few times I even got WBNG from Binghamton.

Ever tried decoy antenna? Mount another old Analog era roof Ant.on 2-1 splitter or dead
pointed to ESB and the active Ant. 90degree 6-15 ft apart to the dead inactive, and
please, use also indoor Ant. 1-2 or more the main with rotating knob for cotrol

More people are pulling the plug on cable and considering OTA or Internet as alternatives. Check out this article.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ytech_gadg/ytech_gadg_tc1598

Now check out this article from someone who has done it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/10/technology/personaltech/10basics.html

Sorry about intruding into your topic, but we are all in this boat together.

The following are the links to a two part interview of Jim Goodmon, CEO of Capitol Broadcasting, by Broadcast Engineering Magazine. Jim Goodman was responsible for having the first digital HD television station back in 1996.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dvCwQ1ZAYs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFce7SNf9jw

He talks about former FCC Chairman Reed Hundt’s (Clinton administration) conscious decision to undercut TV broadcasting by purposely delaying the digital transition, and current Chairman Julius Genachowski’s academic mentor’s plan to use oppressive government regulation to eliminate broadcasting.

Also, an interesting article was posted 4/12/2010 on the TVNewsCheck web site.

http://www.tvnewscheck.com/articles/2010/04/12/daily.2/

It references an interview of Verizon CEO Ivan Seidenberg, which was given at a CFR general meeting.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/21834

Basic points:

1. Technology will make spectrum use more efficient. (4G, etc.)

2. Efficiency is market driven.

3. The cable industry has bought about 150 MHz over the last 10-15 years that they aren't using.

4. Verizon supporting reallocation of broadcast spectrum would be motivated by selfish self interest, not by need!

Please come join us on the official FCC & Broadcast Spectrum topic:

More people are pulling the plug on cable and considering OTA or Internet as alternatives. Check out this article.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ytech_gadg/ytech_gadg_tc1598

Now check out this article from someone who has done it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/10/technology/personaltech/10basics.html

Yes I read that today. Interesting. Too bad Conan is now on TBS. Guess they will never have a Antenna broadcast?

They are missing with over 35 million people in the USA.

I am back. Much easier now to type on a full size keyboad then on my iPod.

Channel 13 is still dead. Can't believe I can only get it as strong as it was when it was on RF 61 low 10's black screen that says low signal and with a outdoor antenna for peaks sake. Yes it did come in before a few days ago but with major breakups at times the same problem as thnmnt.

Channel 11 comes in good some days and bad others.

All the UHF channels on the ESB except channel 31 come in good mostly in the high 70's to low 80's. I really don't want to try to repoint the antenna to try to get channel 13 because right where it is channel 7 is in the 90's and the other channels come in fine.

I think it all has to do with location location. People have problems getting WNYW and WABC but they are the strongest for me. Others have no problem with WPXN, WPIX and WNET but they gives me major problems. Can't believe how bad digital is with reception. Yes it gives you a great picture but at least analog you had a picture which was poor quality but a picture still.

Announced that Emril Lagasse will be on with his cooking show. I might be wrong but I think it was on Sundays.

Just mentioning this because it's looking like there is beginning to be a crossover between cable programming and OTA. Let's hope this is the start of more cable programs coming over to OTA.