An antenna that was used 30 years ago can still be used today, provided it is a VHF/UHF combo antenna since Ch7,11,and 13 are VHF and the rest are UHF.
The only problems I can see are:

1) There is a distribution amp in your bldg that only goes up to like 450Mhz, which does not pass through the UHF signals. It would have to be changed to like 1000 Mhz to pass through UHF.

2) There are splitters throughout the bldg that only go up to 450Mhz, which also block the UHF signals. Those too would have to be changed

3) The cable throughout the bldg is old RG59, which is ok for VHF, but the UHF signals are attenuated significantly. The cable shoud be RG6.

And tell your friend OTA is very much alive and well after the analog cut-off. If anything it is more popular now than before.


Thanks to all.
I'm not sure where the distribution is- I can say that building has probably 150-200 residences so I'd think there must be a lot of amplification needed.
Any easy way to check the cable type without ripping it out of the wall?

first of whoever told you this lied to you or dont their elbow from their knee. all you need is a converter box to get your tv signals if you bought a tv recently, 2 years or less, then you just plug the wire in the back of set. let the tv scan for channels. end of story.

Haven't bought one for longer about 5 years.
What kind of converter is it?

first of whoever told you this lied to you or dont their elbow from their knee. all you need is a converter box to get your tv signals if you bought a tv recently, 2 years or less, then you just plug the wire in the back of set. let the tv scan for channels. end of story.
The old Analog Antenna on roof will pull in HD direct to LCD HD TV?

Does he just use a Coax connection?

If it is anything like what my Aunt had (they Turned it off) You would use a coax cable from the wall?

Haven't bought one for longer about 5 years.
What kind of converter is it?

What kind of TV do you have? LCD, Plasma, or CRT (old)

They need this info to help

Thanks to all.
I'm not sure where the distribution is- I can say that building has probably 150-200 residences so I'd think there must be a lot of amplification needed.
Any easy way to check the cable type without ripping it out of the wall?


Usually the amp/equipment is in a machine room or closet on the last floor, or I've seen where they put all the equipment on the middle floor, then the cables get distributed from there


If you have a coax wall jack in your apt, you should be able to just remove the plate screws and look inside and see the cable.

Actually I am disappointed. My aunt has a CRT TV. I just bought a DTVPAL DVR for her. It was on firesale for $150 at Sears.

Well the HD in the DVR can record 135 hours of SD programs and 35 hours of HD. So if CBS for example is putting out HD it will record in HD. Even if I use the coax to convert to analog signal. So this means less time to record and no benefit in picture quality.

35 hours is still alot of time. That' the equal to about 5-6 VHS tapes. On the other hand if you can follow instructions and are handy with a screwdriver, go to the PALDVR forum and buy yourself a 1TB hard drive for about $75 (see the recommendations for drives there) and replace the 250 GB drive in the PALDVR. Then she will be able to record more shows than she is able to!

35 hours is still alot of time. That' the equal to about 5-6 VHS tapes. On the other hand if you can follow instructions and are handy with a screwdriver, go to the PALDVR forum and buy yourself a 1TB hard drive for about $75 (see the recommendations for drives there) and replace the 250 GB drive in the PALDVR. Then she will be able to record more shows than she is able to!

I said 35 I meant to say 30. It is good enough for my Aunt. I just hate using Space and get no picture benefit. I read the specs and the DVRPAL uses Western Digital HD. From my knowledge these are one of the best made drives. Used to be back in the Windows 95 era. Plus it sounds quite. Unlike my Cable DVR that is loud as hell.

You can not tell the DVR only to record in SD. What ever signal is coming over is what is recorded. I thought my old antenna only got SD (Terk Said) So I thought we had 135 hours.

I do not know why I believed TERK. Who told me old Analog antenna's are good for SD only and for HD you need a replacement.

Of course I believe people like TRIP in VA. He has much more experience then a Clerk who answers phones for TERK.

Also people here are so kind to share info and spend time to help others. No one here makes money from this board. Info is shared with kindness.

Of course I believe people like TRIP in VA. He has much more experience then a Clerk who answers phones for TERK.

Also people here are so kind to share info and spend time to help others. No one here makes money from this board. Info is shared with kindness.
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we all fall for false advertising everyday is not news, i fell prey to bs last year someone sold me uhf antenna that he said that it can pickup stations from 80 miles, it turn out not to be not so. its ok but not anywhere close to what he said. you get more wise as you get older. heh

we all fall for false advertising everyday is not news, i fell prey to bs last year someone sold me uhf antenna that he said that it can pickup stations from 80 miles, it turn out not to be not so. its ok but not anywhere close to what he said. you get more wise as you get older. heh

So any old antenna Even 10 years old can get HD? Amazing.

Why would terk lie?

To sell product!

To sell product!

I would expect that from a small or even BIG store. Not a manufacture who should know better.

There is no way they can make their antenna NON-hd compatible?

Are you serious? Terk IS hype. I bought my last Terk antenna maybe 8 years ago and it was a DirecTV dish.

here is no way they can make their antenna NON-hd compatible?

antennas work the same in hd sd analog there is no such things as hd antenna. they all work the same

antennas work the same in hd sd analog there is no such things as hd antenna. they all work the same

It just amazes me that guy I spoke to either lied or did not know. He said you would need terk 55 for HD. Man this kind of crapa makes me angry.


Thanks to all who set me straight

brazil looks pretty good so far, i think either brazil argentina is gonna hoist the w cup

There is no way they can make their antenna NON-hd compatible?

Yes. COnnect it to a non HD TV and using that antenna you won't pick up any HD at all.

What kind of TV do you have? LCD, Plasma, or CRT (old)

They need this info to help

It's a CRT currently.
May be upgrading soon.

Usually the amp/equipment is in a machine room or closet on the last floor, or I've seen where they put all the equipment on the middle floor, then the cables get distributed from there


If you have a coax wall jack in your apt, you should be able to just remove the plate screws and look inside and see the cable.

Cool, thanks.

Will check it out.

Cool, thanks.

Will check it out Originally Posted by NYCIcarus

seems to me, if you buy a converter box and plug in the wire to box you shoud be good togo

Yes. COnnect it to a non HD TV and using that antenna you won't pick up any HD at all.
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Ryan, N2RJ

how is the preamp from england holding out, i want to try it. i heard is pretty expensive to get one. im having issues with channel wnyw fox5

It just amazes me that guy I spoke to either lied or did not know. He said you would need terk 55 for HD. Man this kind of crapa makes me angry.


Thanks to all who set me straight

Just adding my two cents, in:

I use a twenty year old Radio Shack twin bow-tie set top antenna placed by my window, and I recieved most of the local stations, including channel 7, 11, and 13 with no problems.



Danny

how is the preamp from england holding out, i want to try it. i heard is pretty expensive to get one. im having issues with channel wnyw fox5

Holding out pretty good actually. Much better performance than the CM7777.

Still not 100% on WNYW here but it is watchable now.

Just adding my two cents, in:

I use a twenty year old Radio Shack twin bow-tie set top antenna placed by my window, and I recieved most of the local stations, including channel 7, 11, and 13 with no problems.



Danny

Are you saying in HD? Just to clarify.

Holding out pretty good actually. Much better performance than the CM7777.

Still not 100% on WNYW here but it is watchable now.

Ryan, N2RJ

not trying to jinx you, I read in some other site that there is bug with that preamp, that
has alot of returns cos of catches fire, or just simply stops working. I'm happy your not having issues.

Are you saying in HD? Just to clarify.

to really clarify i think the OP means digital

not trying to jinx you, I read in some other site that there is bug with that preamp, that
has alot of returns cos of catches fire, or just simply stops working. I'm happy your not having issues.

Yeah I heard about transients destroying it but they claimed to have fixed that with additional filtering. I'm not opening it until the warranty is up but it does seem pretty rock solid now.

The cafe on my block went out and bought a nice Panasonic Viera plasma HDTV so their customers could watch World Cup games.

Then they hooked it up to a dipole indoor antenna and one of those analog-to-digital converter boxes.

So, they are watching stretched out 480i letterboxed OTA 68-1 on a full 1080p set.

Why? Because they are morons.

When I told the woman who owns the place that she could get a picture that's a million times better just by removing the converter box, she said "No, we need that 'cause we don't pay for cable."

Someone please volunteer to come over here and slap her. I will hold her down for you.

That only proves that the cable and satellite companies have successfully conditioned people to think that they need a box of some sort to get programming for their TVs.

Are you saying in HD? Just to clarify.

Yes.

My tv is a Mitsubishi WS-55511 55 inch RP HDTV with an intergrated HD tuner. I've been receiving all the digital stations with this antenna since I bought the set back in 2003.



Danny

The cafe on my block went out and bought a nice Panasonic Viera plasma HDTV so their customers could watch World Cup games.

Then they hooked it up to a dipole indoor antenna and one of those analog-to-digital converter boxes.

So, they are watching stretched out 480i letterboxed OTA 68-1 on a full 1080p set.

Why? Because they are morons.

When I told the woman who owns the place that she could get a picture that's a million times better just by removing the converter box, she said "No, we need that 'cause we don't pay for cable."

Someone please volunteer to come over here and slap her. I will hold her down for you.

I don't do this often, but I would gladly volunteer. lol. Not because they hooked it up that way, but because they didn't at least let you show them the difference or give it a try to see.

I don't do this often, but I would gladly volunteer. lol. Not because they hooked it up that way, but because they didn't at least let you show them the difference or give it a try to see.

Incredibly enough, a lot of people can only tell the difference between 480i and 720p if the 2 pictures are side-by-side. In other words, if you turn off the TV, hook it up to the antenna, scan for channels, then tune to one of the found HD channels, the lady might say the picture looked better before, when the TV was hooked to the converter box. :D

Since WABC, WPIX & WNET went to VHF I've had problems tuning them in with an indoor HDTV antenna.
I did a rescan today and, though some if it might be due to weather conditions, WABC-DT is coming in clean.
WPIX and WNET can not get enough signal to be tuned in.

brazil looks pretty good so far, i think either brazil argentina is gonna hoist the w cup

What about Holland, they are better than expected, perhaps the dark horse of this tournament?
But you are right Brasil and Argentina are really good.

Is someone asleep at master control at WFUT-DT? They are currently showing windowboxed SD of the Slovenia-England game.

I ended up watching it on ESPN in SD 4:3 instead.

Maybe they're catering to people who connect SD converter boxes to their HD TVs.

Since WABC, WPIX & WNET went to VHF I've had problems tuning them in with an indoor HDTV antenna.
I did a rescan today and, though some if it might be due to weather conditions, WABC-DT is coming in clean.
WPIX and WNET can not get enough signal to be tuned in.

Where do you live?

I live 25 miles north of Manhattan and both WPIX & WNET (PIX is weaker than WNET) have signals which drop out ocasssionally. WABC is very strong and none of the NY UHF stations have any problems with dropouts.

I don't understand why WPIX (Tribune) hasn't filed for a power increase. WABC has a very good signal. According to what I've seen on the FCC website, WNJN is running 200 Kw ERP and yet they too have a marginal signal. I've limitd the amount of dropouts but their signal is fairly poor considering their location and transmit power.


On another note, last night WWOR's HD 1 channel was off the air. At the same time their SD second channel was solid, like usual. Too bad I'm not interested in their programing.

WPIX would need an interference waiver from WTNH-10 who may not be willing to go for it.

- Trip

I live 25 miles north of Manhattan and both WPIX & WNET (PIX is weaker than WNET) have signals which drop out ocasssionally. WABC is very strong and none of the NY UHF stations have any problems with dropouts.

I've seen them drop out occasionally but I've attributed that to weather related electrical disturbances (lightning/static crashes). Otherwise they are fine. However when the clouds roll in, all the high VHF starts to tile occasionally. Checking the ham radios I hear the static crashes.

Unfortunately with VHF that's what comes with the territory.

Hope someone adds NHK WORLD to there sub channel

Hope someone adds NHK WORLD to there sub channel

If any channel was going to do it, it would be WMBC but I think they're just a bit filled right now.

Maybe when the world comes to an end next year and harold camping sells the TV station they can put it on one of the 10 sub channels they have.

Hope someone adds NHK WORLD to there sub channel

Considering nobody outside of Hawaii PBS carries NHK in the whole US (and that's only a few hours per day), I don't think this is likely.

- Trip

Maybe when the world comes to an end next year and harold camping sells the TV station they can put it on one of the 10 sub channels they have.

As a non-commercial license, the number of potential purchasers of WFME would be very limited. I would suspect Word of God Fellowship (AKA Daystar) to be the buyer in such a situation.

- Trip

WPIX would need an interference waiver from WTNH-10 who may not be willing to go for it.

- Trip

What I find interesting is that WPIX has gone from a very low single bar (out of seven) to half scale on my less than properly calibrated strength meter. Considering that I have no problem getting into a NYC 440 repeater using a Yaesu VX5 from behind my house (which indicates that I have line of site into Manhattan) WPIX should not be an issue (and all of the NYC UHF's are full scale as is WABC, which is running substantially more power than PIX). I can only assume that there's work gioing on at Empire and it negatively effected WPIX. Yesterday evening WWOR's HD 1 was off the air while their HD 2 was fine. Nothing will be settled until early next year I suppose.

Nothing will be settled until early next year I suppose.

It certainly appears to be the case. However I expect the signals will be stronger during the next ratings period and likely a bit earlier when the new TV season starts. What I find most annoying is the lack of information provided by the stations. Generally the truth is beneficial, certainly to anyone trying to install or tune an antenna. I guess there is a disconnect between the engineering department and the folks that run the websites. Three thumbs down from my point of view.

It certainly appears to be the case. However I expect the signals will be stronger during the next ratings period and likely a bit earlier when the new TV season starts. What I find most annoying is the lack of information provided by the stations. Generally the truth is beneficial, certainly to anyone trying to install or tune an antenna. I guess there is a disconnect between the engineering department and the folks that run the websites. Three thumbs down from my point of view.

FYI, the New York DMA is rated constantly by Nielsen unlike smalltelevision markets that rely on Sweep Periods! So your trying to connect signal strength and rating periods - just doesn't work. Good try - no cigar!

The cafe on my block went out and bought a nice Panasonic Viera plasma HDTV so their customers could watch World Cup games.

Then they hooked it up to a dipole indoor antenna and one of those analog-to-digital converter boxes.

So, they are watching stretched out 480i letterboxed OTA 68-1 on a full 1080p set.

Why? Because they are morons.

When I told the woman who owns the place that she could get a picture that's a million times better just by removing the converter box, she said "No, we need that 'cause we don't pay for cable."

Someone please volunteer to come over here and slap her. I will hold her down for you.

I have tried in the past to educate people about similiar set-ups, but I just reach the conclusion that some people are not technically inclined and have no clue what's going on.

this tv is downright herrendous to watch i recently was watchin a movie there, the macroblocking is so bad that youtube looks 3d they need to ditch estrella, or move to some other station.

Unlike so MANY other SUB channels estrella, has a purpose it's FOR SPANISH SPEAKING VIEWERS. What they should ditch is LIVEWELL,And WASA.

Huh? Explain how WASA should be 'ditched'?

FOR SPANISH SPEAKING VIEWERS

2 many latino stations already i can count 6 im latino i dont watch half em lol

Way too many. Do they offer SAP or CC in English? They should.
They really should.

Huh? Explain how WASA should be 'ditched'?

PLEASE TELL ME YOU NOT SEROUS. They dont show ANYTHING OTHER THEN PAID PROGRAMING. Unless you like that

I live 25 miles north of Manhattan and both WPIX & WNET (PIX is weaker than WNET) have signals which drop out ocasssionally. WABC is very strong and none of the NY UHF stations have any problems with dropouts.

I don't understand why WPIX (Tribune) hasn't filed for a power increase. WABC has a very good signal. According to what I've seen on the FCC website, WNJN is running 200 Kw ERP and yet they too have a marginal signal. I've limitd the amount of dropouts but their signal is fairly poor considering their location and transmit power.


Just a data point, but here in Poughkeepsie, 64.1 miles north of the Empire State building and by 2nd Edge diffraction, WPIX is one of my stronger signals. It usually booms in at around 50-75% on the Signal Meter. Unfortunately, WNET has only about half the signal and WABC barely registers at all.

PLEASE TELL ME YOU NOT SEROUS. They dont show ANYTHING OTHER THEN PAID PROGRAMING. Unless you like that

I didn't ask "why", I asked "how".

PLEASE TELL ME YOU NOT SEROUS. They dont show ANYTHING OTHER THEN PAID PROGRAMING. Unless you like that

There are a few stations like that in NYC DMA, WNJJ-LD, WASA-LP and even WRNN-DT (much of the time) comes to mind.

Also don't forget WFME-DT broadcasting Harold Camping all day every day.

But I'm sure there are people watching, so I guess that's why they stay on.

We need more people like this guy in our area. My roof climbing days are over.

http://www.siliconvalley.com/opinion/ci_15368990

There are a few stations like that in NYC DMA, WNJJ-LD, WASA-LP and even WRNN-DT (much of the time) comes to mind.
Originally Posted by raj2001 View Post 12057

you don't pick up wnju ch47 RF 36 there is a repeater a few miles from you ? maybe if you use a yagi antenna you can null it out

Trip, did you know cbs is bringing back hawaii5-o just thought you may want to know :/

2 many latino stations already i can count 6 im latino i dont watch half em lol

and the spanish OTA viewers are probably thinking there's too many english stations. bottom line is it's there because there's a demand for it or someone thinks they can make money from broadcasting whatever it is they are broadcasting!!!!!!!! just cause you don't watch it doesn't mean someone else isn't.

and the spanish OTA viewers are probably thinking there's too many english stations.

Unlikely. Most Spanish speaking people I know watch the English language channels as well.


bottom line is it's there because there's a demand for it or someone thinks they can make money from broadcasting whatever it is they are broadcasting!!!!!!!! just cause you don't watch it doesn't mean someone else isn't.

Yes that is true. Univision's newscasts are among the highest rated in the DMA. BUt I hate the attitude that X channel should get more priority because "ITS FOR SPANISH SPEAKING PEOPLE" or whatever. I don't think any group should have priority over one another. Let the market decide.

you don't pick up wnju ch47 RF 36 there is a repeater a few miles from you ? maybe if you use a yagi antenna you can null it out

W36AZ (NJN) is a few miles away and smack dab between myself and the ESB. Same direction. Nulling it out aint happening. When they go digital that's another story. I think they're planning to go digital on channel 35 which would be good.

I've heard about SFN for years, especially as a solution to the multipath problems found in the concrete canyons of Manhattan ... here's yet another article on it.

http://www.tvtechnology.com/article/102354

Can anyone verify if WMBC 63.1 is actually broadcasting?

Thanks!!

Can anyone verify if WMBC 63.1 is actually broadcasting?

Thanks!!

what makes you think they aren't? may be tough to pick up in arlington, va though

what makes you think they aren't? may be tough to pick up in arlington, va thoughThanks nyctveng,

Someone on another forum is having a hard time picking up this particular station. I was just verifying their status with someone in the New York metro area. And yes, it would be quite a challenge to get 63.1 in Arlington.:D

They are still broadcasting.

Any alternatives to "pitch pad" that can be found at a Lowes or Home Depot? something less gooey than a tube of roofing tar.

thanks

** I've moved this question to the Antenna hardware area,

Thanks nyctveng,

Someone on another forum is having a hard time picking up this particular station. I was just verifying their status with someone in the New York metro area. And yes, it would be quite a challenge to get 63.1 in Arlington.:D

if it helps i know of people that can pick it up in flushing queens (about 25 miles east of their transmitter) which is where most of their target audience is (koreans) much better coverage in nyc since they put up their dtv transmitter faaaaar from their COL newton.

if it helps i know of people that can pick it up in flushing queens (about 25 miles east of their transmitter) which is where most of their target audience is (koreans) much better coverage in nyc since they put up their dtv transmitter faaaaar from their COL newton.

It's a good thing they moved too! They were killing us with overload here.

Thanks raj2001 & nyctveng!!:)

Just to change the subject, I came across this newspaper article about Mobile HDTV.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/technology/bs-bz-mobile-digital-tv-20100628,0,6946936.story

A number of off topics have been removed. Politically related discussion is not permitted at AVS.

Just to change the subject, I came across this newspaper article about Mobile HDTV.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/technology/bs-bz-mobile-digital-tv-20100628,0,6946936.story

Not possible on VHF unless the devices are equipped with antennas much larger than the device itself AND then you have to find a "hot spot" immune from dynamic multipath.
There are hundreds of VHF stations...

Wow 2 years? Try today. You can get ATSC M/H receivers today and a few stations are already broadcasting. In the NYC market there's WNBC and WPXN.

WBNC

Any relation to WHDMI, WRJ-45, or WBananaPlug? :D

- Trip

He's must be well connected!

Any relation to WHDMI, WRJ-45, or WBananaPlug? :D

- Trip

I prefer WDIN78 and WNC

Anyone know of a place which will install a roof antenna in West Orange, NJ? I called one place and they couldn't believe I was serious, and then got upset with me when I insisted 7 and 13 were still on VHF (yeah, I maybe should have kept my mouth shut, but then I'd get the wrong antenna...).

and the spanish OTA viewers are probably thinking there's too many english stations. bottom line is it's there because there's a demand for it or someone thinks they can make money from broadcasting whatever it is they are broadcasting!!!!!!!! just cause you don't watch it doesn't mean someone else isn't.


There are A LOT of Latin KIDS in New York. They need to be entertained just as much as the English speaking folk

Anyone know of a place which will install a roof antenna in West Orange, NJ? I called one place and they couldn't believe I was serious, and then got upset with me when I insisted 7 and 13 were still on VHF (yeah, I maybe should have kept my mouth shut, but then I'd get the wrong antenna...).

I used Tom from ATB systems Inc. 973-927-3648. Mention Len in Randolph sent you and you might get the Len is afraid of Heights discount.

Anyone know of a place which will install a roof antenna in West Orange, NJ? I called one place and they couldn't believe I was serious, and then got upset with me when I insisted 7 and 13 were still on VHF (yeah, I maybe should have kept my mouth shut, but then I'd get the wrong antenna...).

I'm a bit jealous of your location. Unless you are on the wrong side of a hill, etc. you should get great reception for OTA!

I'm a bit jealous of your location. Unless you are on the wrong side of a hill, etc. you should get great reception for OTA!

I'm on the wrong side of South Mountain, about halfway up. The really great locations for OTA are wasted on golf courses :-). However, with a 91XG with one segment removed (in the interest of stress-testing), I can get a decent signal from my deck on all UHF stations of interest. I figure a Winegard HD7698P on the roof ought to do the job; with all the signals in the same direction, why go smaller?

I'm on the wrong side of South Mountain, about halfway up. The really great locations for OTA are wasted on golf courses :-). However, with a 91XG with one segment removed (in the interest of stress-testing), I can get a decent signal from my deck on all UHF stations of interest. I figure a Winegard HD7698P on the roof ought to do the job; with all the signals in the same direction, why go smaller?

I'm on the Western side of the mountain and can receive Philly TV. It might be worth a shot. I'm near Northfield Rd.

Well I finally got my first look at THIS TV at my aunts house. It looks Youtubish. Even on a CRT TV. Question:

WPIX has a total of how many megs to broadcast OTA?

What is the breakdown?

11.1 ----?

11.2 ----?

11.3----?


Seems LATV had more bandwidth?

Thanks guys

Well I finally got my first look at THIS TV at my aunts house. It looks Youtubish. Even on a CRT TV. Question:

WPIX has a total of how many megs to broadcast OTA?

What is the breakdown?

11.1 ----?

11.2 ----?

11.3----?


Seems LATV had more bandwidth?

Thanks guys

http://www.rabbitears.info/screencaps/ny-nyc/73881-0_0.htm

Also, WPIX is not broadcasting LATV anymore. They are broadcasting Estrella TV which is another Spanish language network.

http://www.rabbitears.info/screencaps/ny-nyc/73881-0_0.htm

Also, WPIX is not broadcasting LATV anymore. They are broadcasting Estrella TV which is another Spanish language network.

I know that. I wonder when they did. What bandwidth they were getting? Why is this tv so low? How does it compared to what LATV got. And what estrella is getting now

Check the link

It has the bandwidth from a TSReader output.

Basically the subs are variable but Estrella gets more.

Check the link

It has the bandwidth from a TSReader output.

Basically the subs are variable but Estrella gets more.

Not sure how to read this?

Can you maybe tell me what each gives in terms of mgs of bandwidth?

11.1?

11.2?

11.3?

ty:D:D

Scroll all the way to the bottom where it says "PID Usage chart"

PIX 11 - 14.33 Mbps
Estrella - 2.28 Mbps
This TV - 1.53 Mbps

But that was at that instant. the bitrate is variable, but generally This TV gets less

Basically the subs are variable but Estrella gets more Originally Posted by raj2001

what a tragedy that is. pix finally has a worthy programs to watch, they don't give a horse---t about us.

i dont watch pix anyway, im stickin to pbs only :)

Scroll all the way to the bottom where it says "PID Usage chart"

PIX 11 - 14.33 Mbps
Estrella - 2.28 Mbps
This TV - 1.53 Mbps

But that was at that instant. the bitrate is variable, but generally This TV gets less

WOW ty

now do you remember if LATV was always less then Estrella? This seems very unfair. 11.3 is not fun to watch with the low bandwidth.

Although I understand the NEED to keep 11.1 as pristine as possible. Both Subs should be the same. No favorites.

Before This TV came along Estrella was around the same, probably a bit more.

I would imagine if I were the owners of Estrella I'd be pretty P.O.'ed if a newcomer just came along and slashed bandwidth without my consent. Tribune most likely has contractual obligations with Liberman broadcasting (Estrella) about picture quality and bitrate.

Before This TV came along Estrella was around the same, probably a bit more.

I would imagine if I were the owners of Estrella I'd be pretty P.O.'ed if a newcomer just came along and slashed bandwidth without my consent. Tribune most likely has contractual obligations with Liberman broadcasting (Estrella) about picture quality and bitrate.

WAS LATV around the same bandwidth as Estrella? Do you remember?

I don't sorry. Maybe Trip knows, he probably has TSReaders going back that far. :)

I don't sorry. Maybe Trip knows, he probably has TSReaders going back that far. :)

Ok Well how about this question:

What amount of bandwidth is good enough to stop the Yahoo effect?

I don't know the answer to that question. My personal opinion is that there is really none unless you go to something like 5Mbps. There are a number of variables including what kind of images it is, such as high motion, lots of areas with nonmoving images etc.

I don't know the answer to that question. My personal opinion is that there is really none unless you go to something like 5Mbps. There are a number of variables including what kind of images it is, such as high motion, lots of areas with nonmoving images etc.

I saw a few minutes of WARGAMES the other day. It looked like it was on youtube.:confused:

I'm on the Western side of the mountain and can receive Philly TV. It might be worth a shot. I'm near Northfield Rd.

I haven't tried pointing towards Philly; it might work as I've got a clearer shot to the west over the next ridge. But I'd rather have the NY stations; I just moved from the Philly area actually.

I only keep archived data that is e-mailed to me (because I don't delete the e-mails). Data I collect myself gets tossed when it's updated.

I'll have to dig around and see if I can find some WPIX data, but I don't think I have any.

- Trip

I only keep archived data that is e-mailed to me (because I don't delete the e-mails). Data I collect myself gets tossed when it's updated.

I'll have to dig around and see if I can find some WPIX data, but I don't think I have any.

- Trip

Thanks Trip, you do not have to go that far. I was just curious if anyone remembered.:)

im blown away by wliw ch 21 bandwith allocation to their main, and subs, they put out a real good picture though is only 480i. i have compared their create channel to wedw ch49 create. it makes look like thistv on the picture quality. oh why oh why does pix have 2 subs. dump estrella life would be great.

oh i forgot, viva espana. go spaniards

im blown away by wliw ch 21 bandwith allocation to their main, and subs, they put out a real good picture though is only 480i. i have compared their create channel to wedw ch49 create. it makes look like thistv on the picture quality. oh why oh why does pix have 2 subs. dump estrella life would be great.

Our antenna can not get WLIW. Always wished they put a repeater in NYC. They have good PBS programing for my aunt. Heck I even watch it once in a while.

Originally Posted by keyboard21
Our antenna can not get WLIW. Always wished they put a repeater in NYC. They have good PBS programing for my aunt. Heck I even watch it once in a while.

they have quality programs to watch on wliw, i can watch their programming on all their subs all day, they have bbc news, all types of science shows, my favorite is travel shows also antique road show. just kidding about road show lol

Our antenna can not get WLIW Originally Posted by keyboard21

you should get rid of that terk 55 is crappy antenna. is basically a half wave dipole with a small amplifier, get small 2 bay, it would help tremendously, i bulit a single bay from coat hangers, im amazed what this thing can do, i pick up all uhf and vhf not only that i get bridgeport ct channel when i turn a bit, also, wliw, i cant get new jersey, cos i have buildings blockin my los. you can make one yourself. i can help in you need. it won't cost you much 1 hanger a couple of bolts and nuts. thats it. took me 20 minutes to do mine. it works pretty good, that i use most of time, my yagi on the roof i havent used for awhile, only when theres tropo;

Some good condtions last night and this morning,
seems to be starting again now..

I'm located in Kings Park and I'm watching a TV
station from Road Island..

** If this is not the area to discuss this, please let me know
and I will delete this msg.. **

Damn are they ever bringing back latv. Miss having a music channel

you should get rid of that terk 55 is crappy antenna. is basically a half wave dipole with a small amplifier, get small 2 bay, it would help tremendously, i bulit a single bay from coat hangers, im amazed what this thing can do, i pick up all uhf and vhf not only that i get bridgeport ct channel when i turn a bit, also, wliw, i cant get new jersey, cos i have buildings blockin my los. you can make one yourself. i can help in you need. it won't cost you much 1 hanger a couple of bolts and nuts. thats it. took me 20 minutes to do mine. it works pretty good, that i use most of time, my yagi on the roof i havent used for awhile, only when theres tropo;

Thanks for the offer. Maybe in the future. Would your homemade antenna do better then the ClearStream C2 or DB2? Are those two not two bay? I tried those and got same exact reception. Same numbers and channels.

I think the problem is the antenna MUST be inside an apartment. Yes I know the law that says you can put it outside window. Aunt will not make waves. So no bother talking about that further.

As of this morning, WLNY Channel 55 is now transmitting on UHF Channel 45-1 mapping to same, I assume from the ESB. Might be Brooklyn though as the signal is quite weak (67-72 on my Dishnet VIP722 DVR) and I have to rotate my antenna Southwest about 20-25 degrees. I am located in zip code 11021. I only received it once this spring from Riverhead on UHF 47.

Just tried it - and 45-1 is coming in loud and clear!

RabbitEars says its on the trump world tower. I'll pull out the laptop here at work and see if I get it.

It would be interesting to see if I can get it from home.

RabbitEars says its on the trump world tower.

Thank you raj2001.
I'm not surprised as I'm subject to all kinds of multi-path issues. Most of the channels I don't want come in beautifully, and the ones that I do, specifically CBS & NBC are nothing but trouble. http://www.comiccollecting.org/forum/images/smilies/icon_e_angry.gif

I'll post a list at some point showing the channels I receive and their signal levels.

Strange, I get the signal here but no video or audio.

So WLNY-55 has a transmitter at the Trump Tower? I have never been able to get their signal. Their info on Wikipedia does not mention any antennas in Manhattan. Is that new?

I am not sure. I think it was a translator they had before and it went off air. No idea if/why they are bringing it back.

Just tried it - and 45-1 is coming in loud and clear!

For some reason mine is coming in on 45-3.

So WLNY-55 has a transmitter at the Trump Tower? I have never been able to get their signal. Their info on Wikipedia does not mention any antennas in Manhattan. Is that new?

Not the Trump Tower - the transmitter is located at the Trump World Tower at 47th-48th Streets and First Avenue!

Sorry. That's what I meant. Trump World Tower.

So was that antenna there before? I have always received all UHF channels pretty well. However, I have never been able to get WLNY-55. And I still cannot receive it right now. I just tried it. If they are really transmitting from Trump World Tower, they must be using a weak signal. This is the first tine I cannot receive a UHF station transmitting from Manhattan. :confused:

I believe this is the station's first transmission from this facility - it was awaiting Verizon interconnection.

According to Trip, both WBQM-LP and WKOB-LD are also licensed to this transmission location.

Nada at home. Guess their directional antenna means no signal here. Oh well!

For some reason mine is coming in on 45-3.

Sounds like they don't have any PSIP up on it.

The station used to be WLIG-LD 26 in Mineola, on a short tower at 1 kW aimed out toward the Atlantic. They changed the call sign to WLNY-CD and moved to Trump Tower on channel 45. This is definitely new.

It's a very directional antenna meaning New Jersey and people in Yonkers and up that way likely will not see it. I don't understand why it's as directional as it is, but I'm sure there's a reason.

- Trip

The fact that they are using a directional antenna explains why I can't get it.
BTW, is it still a mere 1kW?

No, it's at 15 kW now, the maximum for a low-power digital. WASA-LD is at 15 kW but on a much less directional antenna.

Here's a link to what the directional pattern looks like:
http://www.rabbitears.info/oddsandends.php?request=ant_pat&ant_id=94001&rotation=0&erp=15

And for those on good connections, here's a "real world" coverage map which takes into account terrain but not buildings:
http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1321795&map=Y

- Trip

Sounds like they don't have any PSIP up on it.

The station used to be WLIG-LD 26 in Mineola, on a short tower at 1 kW aimed out toward the Atlantic. They changed the call sign to WLNY-CD and moved to Trump Tower on channel 45. This is definitely new.

It's a very directional antenna meaning New Jersey and people in Yonkers and up that way likely will not see it. I don't understand why it's as directional as it is, but I'm sure there's a reason.

- Trip
Do you know in which directing it is facing? North, South, East or West?

Just wondering if my Aunt can get this?

Also are there any Sub- channels to WLNY? Seems a waste not to have one sub? WLIW would be a great fit.

Although many here might not like re-runs of OPRAH, Dr. Phil ect. For people who are older. I think this is a great channel. Heck I even watch Judge Judy once in awhile. They do seem to have many infomercials.

It amazes me how FREE OTA is getting more and more choices and Basic cable is loosing channels.

I remembering asking you what NEW stations would becoming to NYC. You were completely taken by surprise by this move. lol Keeps you on your toes.

You give this board so much info. We all thank you Trip VA.

Now the only repeater I would like to see move to NYC is WLIW.

No, it's at 15 kW now, the maximum for a low-power digital. WASA-LD is at 15 kW but on a much less directional antenna.

Here's a link to what the directional pattern looks like:
http://www.rabbitears.info/oddsandends.php?request=ant_pat&ant_id=94001&rotation=0&erp=15

And for those on good connections, here's a "real world" coverage map which takes into account terrain but not buildings:
http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1321795&map=Y

- Trip

Not sure I know how to read this Image? Does this mean it is facing South East? Would seem wrong for NYC? Since that is facing away from NYC.

http://i25.tinypic.com/2ivi9hj.jpg

The other map shows Queens well in the GREEN area. Facing South is great for Queens and bad for NJ.

PS Are they no longer showing their signal from Mineola? Is it JUST Trump world tower or is the Trump world tower just a repeater?

Now the only repeater I would like to see move to NYC is WLIW.

Found this link on the WLIW website, http://www.wliw.org/about/digital-transition/digital-tv-tranisition-new-update-and-faq/. Note it states they are transmitting at full power from the ESB. Prior to June 12th, 2009, I received it with a weak signal from NYC and a very strong signal from Garden City. Now I get nothing from the ESB and a signal level that peaks at 72 if I'm lucky facing East-Southeast.

Found this link on the WLIW website, http://www.wliw.org/about/digital-transition/digital-tv-tranisition-new-update-and-faq/. Note it states they are transmitting at full power from the ESB. Prior to June 12th, 2009, I received it with a weak signal from NYC and a very strong signal from Garden City. Now I get nothing from the ESB and a signal level that peaks at 72 if I'm lucky facing East-Southeast.

If WLIW was on ESB. We would get it with a 90 plus signal. I remember Trip or someone else stating they are putting out signal. ONLY from Long Island.

Please be advised that Channels 13, 21, 7 and 11 are broadcasting at full power from the same antenna atop the Empire State Building.

Is anyone getting 21 (WLIW) From ESB?

We get every station at 90 plus signa. Why not 21 at all if this is true? Why would we get 13, 7, and 11

from WLIW21:

Several months ago, we attempted to obtain a waiver to increase the power for WLIW but were unable to obtain the increase for a number of reasons outside of our control. Some of these problems have now cleared and we may be in a better position to increase our power some time in the future, but we cannot be certain that this will resolve everyone’s problems.

Nice! Eagerly awaiting. :)

My signal strength meter says 50% for WLNY. This is 24 miles away on Wantagh, LI.

Also are there any Sub- channels to WLNY? Seems a waste not to have one sub? WLIW would be a great fit.

Haha, I remember hearing that WLNY is planning to go HD in January 2011 or something like that, plus they have Mobile DTV going, so I'm not sure extra subchannels are going to be coming from WLNY.

I remembering asking you what NEW stations would becoming to NYC. You were completely taken by surprise by this move. lol Keeps you on your toes.

In fairness, you asked me what new subchannels might be coming, not necessarily new stations. I knew WLNY-CD was being built but didn't consider it since the programming already existed via the main WLNY signal.

You give this board so much info. We all thank you Trip VA.

Glad to help.

Not sure I know how to read this Image? Does this mean it is facing South East? Would seem wrong for NYC? Since that is facing away from NYC.

[...]

The other map shows Queens well in the GREEN area. Facing South is great for Queens and bad for NJ.

You're correct. The bulk of the signal is going southeast for some reason. WLNY-CD is not the only station doing this; WPXO-LD 34 does the same thing.

PS Are they no longer showing their signal from Mineola? Is it JUST Trump world tower or is the Trump world tower just a repeater?

Mineola is gone. Just Trump Tower.

If WLIW was on ESB. We would get it with a 90 plus signal. I remember Trip or someone else stating they are putting out signal. ONLY from Long Island.

Please be advised that Channels 13, 21, 7 and 11 are broadcasting at full power from the same antenna atop the Empire State Building.

I don't know who at WNET/WLIW keeps putting out these releases about 21, but WLIW is most certainly not on Empire. I wish it was, but it is not.

And the power increase they are referring to is on the existing tower, so I'm not sure it will do much for anyone.

- Trip

So are they adding NEW STATIONS any time soon

If WLIW was on ESB. We would get it with a 90 plus signal. I remember Trip or someone else stating they are putting out signal. ONLY from Long Island.

Please be advised that Channels 13, 21, 7 and 11 are broadcasting at full power from the same antenna atop the Empire State Building.


There's no channel 21 on the common VHF antenna on ESB. Channel 21 cannot be multiplexed on that antenna.

Not the Trump Tower - the transmitter is located at the Trump World Tower at 47th-48th Streets and First Avenue!

that building is where derek jeter lives, i made a few deliveries there, i think he has a pad on 78th floor, I wonder if jeter watches ota. just a thought :)

There's no channel 21 on the common VHF antenna on ESB. Channel 21 cannot be multiplexed on that antenna.

Excatly what I thought. I said we get ESB very well. All stations in the 90's So not getting 21 means it is not there.

And for those on good connections, here's a "real world" coverage map which takes into account terrain but not buildings:
http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1321795&map=Y

- Trip

So basically 3/4 of their signal is broadcasted out into the sea. Hilarity.

So are they adding NEW STATIONS any time soon

I seriously doubt it, unless it's subchannels, mobile or reuse of existing channels.

So basically 3/4 of their signal is broadcasted out into the sea. Hilarity.

Not really.

The graphic shows that because that's basically calculated signal that's "left over" at the coastal boundary and spreads out to sea very easily as represented under the computer model (no terrain obstructions). Their antenna is set to cover NYC.

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=CA1321795.html

You will see the same thing when looking at any computer model of any broadcast station that is located on or near a coastline or major lake.

Haha, I remember hearing that WLNY is planning to go HD in January 2011 or something like that, plus they have Mobile DTV going, so I'm not sure extra subchannels are going to be coming from WLNY.



In fairness, you asked me what new subchannels might be coming, not necessarily new stations. I knew WLNY-CD was being built but didn't consider it since the programming already existed via the main WLNY signal.



Glad to help.



You're correct. The bulk of the signal is going southeast for some reason. WLNY-CD is not the only station doing this; WPXO-LD 34 does the same thing.



Mineola is gone. Just Trump Tower.



I don't know who at WNET/WLIW keeps putting out these releases about 21, but WLIW is most certainly not on Empire. I wish it was, but it is not.

And the power increase they are referring to is on the existing tower, so I'm not sure it will do much for anyone.

- Trip

Do you know when Mineola was turned off? What date?

Also why the move?

So basically 3/4 of their signal is broadcasted out into the sea. Hilarity.

wliw signal is aimed towards connecticut, and nyc and the island not the atlantic ocean

theyre still in mineola i still get them at 50-60 percent, i get refracted signal. as far as i know wlny still in riverhead 50 miles from me.

i mean wlny is 50 miles from me.

i noticed that 39-1 mast antenna is at top of citibank at court square i can see the antenna at top of building there is 2 of them one is facing south east towards brooklyn, the other antenna is pointed northwest towards new jersey, if anyone is interested

i noticed that 39-1 mast antenna is at top of citibank at court square i can see the antenna at top of building there is 2 of them one is facing south east towards brooklyn, the other antenna is pointed northwest towards new jersey, if anyone is interested

Do they ever broadcast anything on 39-1 besides the shopping channel?
All I see is the skyline picture with the test tone.

HI All
I am new to AVS and I am looking for advise on how to switch to over the air signal.
I live in Bronx, NY.
I am basically looking for the necessary and latest equipment to begin receiving and recording over the air tv.
I currently own a HDTV antenna which i bought from monoprice, and i think works great.
i own 3 samsung HDTV, two of which receive the signal from the antenna but one does not. I tried connecting the hd antenna directly to the hdtv but not a single channel was picked up, unlike the other two which picked up almost 50 channels.
What do you guys think about the radioshack amplifiers, do they actually help?
how about DVR, External tuners for that one tv that does not receive any channels, which tuners do you recommend?

thanks for the time in advance.

HI All
I am new to AVS and I am looking for advise on how to switch to over the air signal.
I live in Bronx, NY.
I am basically looking for the necessary and latest equipment to begin receiving and recording over the air tv.
I currently own a HDTV antenna which i bought from monoprice, and i think works great.
i own 3 samsung HDTV, two of which receive the signal from the antenna but one does not. I tried connecting the hd antenna directly to the hdtv but not a single channel was picked up, unlike the other two which picked up almost 50 channels.
What do you guys think about the radioshack amplifiers, do they actually help?
how about DVR, External tuners for that one tv that does not receive any channels, which tuners do you recommend?

thanks for the time in advance.

Welcome to the forum.
How are you splitting the signal? Are you using RG6 cable?
If one of the TV's can't pick up staions, take the TV giving you problems, and try it at the location of the good TV. If you still can't pick up anything, make sure you are searching for "antenna", and not "cable" on the TV menu.
If you can pick up stations, then somewhere down the line you have a bad connection.
As far as amps, it sounds like you don't need one being that you live close to Manhattan, and you can feed 2 TV's with no problems. What does the signal strength meter say for some channels?

If one of the TV's can't pick up staions, take the TV giving you problems, and try it at the location of the good TV. If you still can't pick up anything, make sure you are searching for "antenna", and not "cable" on the TV menu.

To complement that:

1) Make sure this 3rd TV set has an HDTV tuner inside. Some sets are "HDTV-ready" (http://hd.engadget.com/2005/08/30/hdtv-ready-vs-hdtv/) as opposed to "HDTV's. If you have the former, instead of the latter, you will need to connect your antenna to a DTV converter box, then connect the box to this HDTV-ready set.

2) However, if you are sure that the problematic set is truly an HDTV one (like the other two TVs you have), then the problem with this 3rd set lies on its tuner. That is, its tuner is probably not as sensitive as the tuners in the other two TVs. In such situations, you need a better antenna.

To complement that:

However, if you are sure that the problematic set is truly an HDTV one (like the other two TVs you have), then the problem with this 3rd set lies on its tuner. That is, its tuner is probably not as sensitive as the tuners in the other two TVs. In such situations, you need a better antenna.

If the other 2 TV's get 50 channels fine with a strong signal, but the 3rd TV gets nothing (assuming he's testing it in the same location as the other 2 TVs) I would have to assume the antenna is fine, and rather the TV is the culprit.

To the OP, are all 3 tv's the same? What is the model # of the TV with the problem?

Strange, I get the signal here but no video or audio.

A few days after I first announced that I received WLNY on 45-1 I no longer receive any audio on my Dishnet VIP722 DVR (http://www.dishnetwork.ws/hardware/dish-network-hd-722-dvr.html), yet I do on my Samsung SIR-T165 (http://www.samsung.com/us/support/detail/supportPrdDetail.do?menu=SP01&prd_ia_cd=03050100&prd_mdl_cd=&prd_mdl_name=SIRT165), (which I use for DVHS recording) and also on any of my 4 JVC HM-DT100U's (http://support.jvc.com/consumer/product.jsp?modelId=MODL027315&pathId=50&page=1&archive=true).

Also I rotated my antenna East-Southeast about 23 degrees East of where I receive WLIW and I'm receiving a stronger and more reliable signal than when pointing my antenna West towards the Trump Tower.

Can anyone please explain either of these issues? Thanks!!

explanation is dish makes crap products. i can pickup WLNY @ home & work on zenith & rca dtv boxes and my LG & Sony lcd tv tuners. cant get it on dish dtvpal box.



A few days after I first announced that I received WLNY on 45-1 I no longer receive any audio on my Dishnet VIP722 DVR (http://www.dishnetwork.ws/hardware/dish-network-hd-722-dvr.html), yet I do on my Samsung SIR-T165 (http://www.samsung.com/us/support/detail/supportPrdDetail.do?menu=SP01&prd_ia_cd=03050100&prd_mdl_cd=&prd_mdl_name=SIRT165), (which I use for DVHS recording) and also on any of my 4 JVC HM-DT100U's (http://support.jvc.com/consumer/product.jsp?modelId=MODL027315&pathId=50&page=1&archive=true).

Also I rotated my antenna East-Southeast about 23 degrees East of where I receive WLIW and I'm receiving a stronger and more reliable signal than when pointing my antenna West towards the Trump Tower.

Can anyone please explain either of these issues? Thanks!!

A few days after I first announced that I received WLNY on 45-1 I no longer receive any audio on my Dishnet VIP722 DVR (http://www.dishnetwork.ws/hardware/dish-network-hd-722-dvr.html), yet I do on my Samsung SIR-T165 (http://www.samsung.com/us/support/detail/supportPrdDetail.do?menu=SP01&prd_ia_cd=03050100&prd_mdl_cd=&prd_mdl_name=SIRT165), (which I use for DVHS recording) and also on any of my 4 JVC HM-DT100U's (http://support.jvc.com/consumer/product.jsp?modelId=MODL027315&pathId=50&page=1&archive=true).

Also I rotated my antenna East-Southeast about 23 degrees East of where I receive WLIW and I'm receiving a stronger and more reliable signal than when pointing my antenna West towards the Trump Tower.

Can anyone please explain either of these issues? Thanks!!

You know that reminds me. There was a Station with no sound. I believe it was LATV. First it had sound then it did not. Like what are experiencing. After people here wrote e-mails LATV had to correct something on their end. It took weeks or months? I forget. Then it was fixed. I am no expert. I think it was some sort of coding. Some Tuners get certain signals

Bottom line is. I would e-mail WLNY to let them know about the sound problem. In-case it is the same thing that LATV had a problem with.


Is the Dishnet VIP722 DVR anything like the DISHPAL DVR? I did not know they made another OTA box??

WOW this looks like everything we wanted the DISHPAL DVR to be.

The New 727HD DVR by: MBC inc.- Watch internet channels Streams and record with this HD 727 DVR, Plus plug it straight in to your network, Stream movies internet iptv channels and much more, Works with any cable company's connection. "Wireless connections supported" No contract No credit check, No Monthly fee, a one time price of $289.99 thats it will hold up to 2Tb Hard drive USB thumb drive Flash drive and 6 different flash cards. Basically plug just about anything into it and it will view it or play it. more info call 888-255-4161

Can you tell us. What you can do with this box. That the Dishpal DVR can not do? Thanks Very interesting

Bottom line is. I would e-mail WLNY to let them know about the sound problem. In-case it is the same thing that LATV had a problem with.


Is the Dishnet VIP722 DVR anything like the DISHPAL DVR? I did not know they made another OTA box??

WOW this looks like everything we wanted the DISHPAL DVR to be.

The New 727HD DVR by: MBC inc.- Watch internet channels Streams and record with this HD 727 DVR, Plus plug it straight in to your network, Stream movies internet iptv channels and much more, Works with any cable company's connection. "Wireless connections supported" No contract No credit check, No Monthly fee, a one time price of $289.99 thats it will hold up to 2Tb Hard drive USB thumb drive Flash drive and 6 different flash cards. Basically plug just about anything into it and it will view it or play it. more info call 888-255-4161

Can you tell us. What you can do with this box. That the Dishpal DVR can not do? Thanks Very interesting

I will place a phone call to WLNY next week and inform them. I do not know a thing about the DISHPAL DVR, however I was surprised at nyctveng comments about Dishnet receivers. Years ago I had the Dishnet 6000, which many owners had converted with firewire for DVHS recoding by 169time.com, (I never did cause the guy was arrogant and his prices ridiculous.) That and the VIP722 DVR had/have the most sensitive OTA tuners I have ever come across, picking up tropo and fringe signals both analog and digital that no other receiver I owned could. As far as I know every EchoStar-Dishnet receiver ever made had/has OTA tuners. I do not believe the audio issue with WLNY has anything to do with the VIP722, and I believe I also recall the LATV issue though I might have tuned to 11.2 only once or twice then deleted it. The only other info I can tell you about the VIP722 is that I don't own it, (a very reasonable $59 monthly rental) and Dishnet quoted me $100 something for the external Flash drive, which I wasn't interested in because I do all my HDTV archiving using DVHS. The VIP722 DVR has a 50-hour HD capacity and I believe they recently upgraded to a 100-hour HD capacity, but they demand that you sign another 2-year contract and I am done with that. (I won't be getting Fios for the same reason which will finally be available in my area in a few weeks.) Sorry I cannot tell you more.

I will place a phone call to WLNY next week and inform them. I do not know a thing about the DISHPAL DVR, however I was surprised at nyctveng comments about Dishnet receivers. Years ago I had the Dishnet 6000, which many owners had converted with firewire for DVHS recoding by 169time.com, (I never did cause the guy was arrogant and his prices ridiculous.) That and the VIP722 DVR had/have the most sensitive OTA tuners I have ever come across, picking up tropo and fringe signals both analog and digital that no other receiver I owned could. As far as I know every EchoStar-Dishnet receiver ever made had/has OTA tuners. I do not believe the audio issue with WLNY has anything to do with the VIP722, and I believe I also recall the LATV issue though I might have tuned to 11.2 only once or twice then deleted it. The only other info I can tell you about the VIP722 is that I don't own it, (a very reasonable $59 monthly rental) and Dishnet quoted me $100 something for the external Flash drive, which I wasn't interested in because I do all my HDTV archiving using DVHS. The VIP722 DVR has a 50-hour HD capacity and I believe they recently upgraded to a 100-hour HD capacity, but they demand that you sign another 2-year contract and I am done with that. (I won't be getting Fios for the same reason which will finally be available in my area in a few weeks.) Sorry I cannot tell you more.

Just a stupid curious question. Why pay $59 per month for a $289 box? With what you pay in 5 months you can own it. Do you get Dish service with this? Or just OTA? I know nothing of DISH recievers other than the PAL. Sorry if the question is stupid lol

Thanks in Advance.

Not at all http://www.comiccollecting.org/forum/images/smilies/icon_e_peace.gif I have the America Top 120 + Platinum HD package. It's a lot of bang for your buck, considerably cheaper than Directv which I cancelled last December and includes many channels that lame Cablevision refuses to carry, like HDNet, HDNet Movies, RetroHD, IndyHD, MGMHD, and most recently EPiXHD 1 and EPiXHD 2 which has beaten HBO with a number of premiere films like Iron Man, The Cove, and Star Trek (2009), and of course a terrific OTA tuner!!

Not at all http://www.comiccollecting.org/forum/images/smilies/icon_e_peace.gif I have the America Top 120 + Platinum HD package. It's a lot of bang for your buck, considerably cheaper than Directv which I cancelled last December and includes many channels that lame Cablevision refuses to carry, like HDNet, HDNet Movies, RetroHD, IndyHD, MGMHD, and most recently EPiXHD 1 and EPiXHD 2 which has beaten HBO with a number of premiere films like Iron Man, The Cove, and Star Trek (2009), and of course a terrific OTA tuner!!

So do you save money by having OTA? Why not just get total dish package?

Do I save money? No? I simply use the Dishnet DVR to archive programming that is unavailable on Cablevision and for time shifting. Any higher tier package, (with few exceptions), is just a duplication of the networks I already have on cable, and of course no firewire=no DVHS recording from Satellite.

DeadFormatLover, from my experience if the OTA station has missing PSIP/ virtual channel info, the DIsh DTV PAL box cannot tune the channel. i think some users here complained of losing WNYE 25 when they had issues with their PSIP. other threads that are more specific to DTV boxes and Dishnet service can probably give u more info. i would hope WLNY-CD will add PSIP and Dish equipment will be able to tune it.

I will place a phone call to WLNY next week and inform them. I do not know a thing about the DISHPAL DVR, however I was surprised at nyctveng comments about Dishnet receivers. Years ago I had the Dishnet 6000, which many owners had converted with firewire for DVHS recoding by 169time.com, (I never did cause the guy was arrogant and his prices ridiculous.) That and the VIP722 DVR had/have the most sensitive OTA tuners I have ever come across, picking up tropo and fringe signals both analog and digital that no other receiver I owned could. As far as I know every EchoStar-Dishnet receiver ever made had/has OTA tuners. I do not believe the audio issue with WLNY has anything to do with the VIP722, and I believe I also recall the LATV issue though I might have tuned to 11.2 only once or twice then deleted it. The only other info I can tell you about the VIP722 is that I don't own it, (a very reasonable $59 monthly rental) and Dishnet quoted me $100 something for the external Flash drive, which I wasn't interested in because I do all my HDTV archiving using DVHS. The VIP722 DVR has a 50-hour HD capacity and I believe they recently upgraded to a 100-hour HD capacity, but they demand that you sign another 2-year contract and I am done with that. (I won't be getting Fios for the same reason which will finally be available in my area in a few weeks.) Sorry I cannot tell you more.

Unfortunately it appears the DTV Pal is a poorly designed OTA tuner. There are quite a few locals that do not display PSIP info on the VIP722, but aside from WLNY it does not affect the video or the audio. I placed a call to Dishnet this afternoon and I'm awaiting a callback from their advanced tech department.

My other 2 previously mentioned OTA tuners have displayed PSIP info on WLNY since it began transmitting on 45-1.

WABC has already started ads saying that Time Warner may drop ABC-7 when their contract expires on Sept 2. They say "you have options" but DONT mention that you can actually receive ABC-7 OTA (and for free...)

Contact 7 On Your Side (http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/channel?section=news/7_on_your_side&id=7100036) and remind them. They're certainly not going to recommend Fios. http://www.comiccollecting.org/forum/posting.php?mode=smilies#

They want the viewers to call Time Warner and complain about the drop. They don't want people to watch ABC OTA. The whole point is to put people against TWC so that they (ABC) can keep their real bread and butter (TWC).

Unfortunately it appears the DTV Pal is a poorly designed OTA tuner. There are quite a few locals that do not display PSIP info on the VIP722, but aside from WLNY it does not affect the video or the audio. I placed a call to Dishnet this afternoon and I'm awaiting a callback from their advanced tech department.

My other 2 previously mentioned OTA tuners have displayed PSIP info on WLNY since it began transmitting on 45-1.

Perhaps when compared to other Tuners with DVRs. However compared to the tuners in my 2 TVs it does a better job and it is also as good if not better than the tuners in the 4 different digital to analog converter boxes I have tested and tried.

So it is all relative. Personally I am really pleased with the tuner.

WABC has already started ads saying that Time Warner may drop ABC-7 when their contract expires on Sept 2. They say "you have options" but DONT mention that you can actually receive ABC-7 OTA (and for free...)

Actually I heard a radio spot that did mention free OTA. Played Sun morning on WFAN.

45-1 and 45-3 WLNY CD 720x480i 30 Hz Dolby Stereo
at bottom right corner tv10/55
coming out of Mineola and or Riverhead (via TrumpTower ?)
signal level for -1 96-100 for -3 max. 100 locked
Seems to be CBC Affiliate lots of their reruns, but also good old like Matlock, newer Boston Legal, CSI, House etc

Does anybody know if WCBS is possibly working on boosting their power?
My signal has been ok during the day, and last night when it should be stronger (after prime time), it was non-existent.
It has been this way for about a week on and off. I was wondering if they were lowering power to do work on their system.

The station was supposed to ramp up to the new full ERP level by last month.

Have no idea if that ever occurred.

Sounds like they don't have any PSIP up on it.

The station used to be WLIG-LD 26 in Mineola, on a short tower at 1 kW aimed out toward the Atlantic. They changed the call sign to WLNY-CD and moved to Trump Tower on channel 45. This is definitely new.

It's a very directional antenna meaning New Jersey and people in Yonkers and up that way likely will not see it. I don't understand why it's as directional as it is, but I'm sure there's a reason.

- Trip

Trip, and everyone, I just spoke with WLNY's engineer at their Melville, L.I. facility, (631-777-8855). He mentioned many things (very quickly) that I am simply not technically versed enough to understand. Something about if a digital tuner does not recognize the PSIP as with the Dishnet VIP722 DVR it will simply default to 1 thru 10 and not be able to display it, (even though I mentioned their video is perfect with no audio, and many other channels have both video and audio and no PSIP on the VIP722). However he confirmed there is nothing they can do on their end to restore the video and/or audio on the DISH PAL tuner, nor the VIP722. He also said as far as their signal on 45-1, (there is no 45-3 now), their transmission is polarized both horizontal and vertical, whereas all or most others are just horizontal. Due to that, he additionally mentioned there are quite a few people reporting issues with WCBS 2-1 transmitting on UHF 33. I know I'm not relaying this correctly. Perhaps you or someone with greater technical knowledge than myself can call this gentleman.

While on the topic of WCBS, last year immediately after the digital transition I was able to reach an engineer named Mike at CBS and told him their signal was the only one coming off the ESB that I cannot consistently receive. He said they did a mobile field test driving on the Long Island Expressway all the way out to Suffolk County and found their signal was very strong all the way to Montauk Point. I found this hard to believe, and have never been able to reach anyone at CBS again, leaving many messages with no return calls.

Over the past few years, I have spoken with many of the chief engineers at the major NY networks, (one in particular I still speak with quite often), and they were all furious, claiming they have lost hundreds upon hundreds of viewers because the FCC did little to no field testing.

Doesn't recognize it? The symptoms described only make sense if they're not transmitting any PSIP at all, which evidence via SiliconDust seems to support. I really need to see some TSReader on it; is there anyone who can receive it who is using a USB or PCI receiver in a 32-bit Windows computer?

I also don't understand the WCBS/WLNY-CD connection.

- Trip

They want the viewers to call Time Warner and complain about the drop. They don't want people to watch ABC OTA. The whole point is to put people against TWC so that they (ABC) can keep their real bread and butter (TWC).

exactly! wabc-tv may not care if u get their station via twc, rcn, satellite but their parent company would prefer you get it via a paid provider so that they also get subscriber fees for other channels they own such as disney, espn, abc family.

Doesn't recognize it? The symptoms described only make sense if they're not transmitting any PSIP at all, which evidence via SiliconDust seems to support. I really need to see some TSReader on it; is there anyone who can receive it who is using a USB or PCI receiver in a 32-bit Windows computer?

I also don't understand the WCBS/WLNY-CD connection.

- Trip

Hi Trip,

As I said, all this technical stuff and his explanation simply confused me, and I'm sure I didn't relay what I was told correctly, but I can tell you that I receive complete PSIP info on my 2 Samsung SIR-T165's (http://www.samsung.com/us/support/detail/supportPrdDetail.do?menu=SP01&prd_ia_cd=03050100&prd_mdl_cd=&prd_mdl_name=SIRT165) and all 4 of my JVC HM-DT100U's (http://support.jvc.com/consumer/product.jsp?modelId=MODL027315&pathId=50&page=1&archive=true).

The WCBS/WLYN connection simply came about because I brought up the topic about how frustrating it has been after spending nearly $2500 on 2 roof antennas with rotors & amps + installation and not being about to receive it. Then came his comments about WLNY's vertical transmission as being something that would aid reception of problematic channels.

Wish I could help you with the TSReader but I don't know how, sorry.

I was very active on this forum as you all know but now not so much because I rarely go on the computer and now I got a dock for my iPod Touch hooked up to my home stereo since most of the listing on it is from internet radio I don't undock it much. Anyway I can get channel 45 but it is very weak in the 40's. Still a stronger signal than that pathetic WNET which as you know comes in great some days and other days like today I can't get squat from a picture.

As for TWC might drop WABC it should not matter since it is the most powerful and easiest station to get at least for me. I am still peeved at Dish for dropping the Disney channels in HD.

Hi Trip,

As I said, all this technical stuff and his explanation simply confused me, and I'm sure I didn't relay what I was told correctly, but I can tell you that I receive complete PSIP info on my 2 Samsung SIR-T165's (http://www.samsung.com/us/support/detail/supportPrdDetail.do?menu=SP01&prd_ia_cd=03050100&prd_mdl_cd=&prd_mdl_name=SIRT165) and all 4 of my JVC HM-DT100U's (http://support.jvc.com/consumer/product.jsp?modelId=MODL027315&pathId=50&page=1&archive=true).

Interesting. SiliconDust usually chokes on bad PSIP and doesn't show anything, but it's treating WLNY-CD like it's transmitting none. I really will need to see TSReader data to know what's going on.

Maybe I'll call tomorrow. Have to see what my day is like.

The WCBS/WLYN connection simply came about because I brought up the topic about how frustrating it has been after spending nearly $2500 on 2 roof antennas with rotors & amps + installation and not being about to receive it. Then came his comments about WLNY's vertical transmission as being something that would aid reception of problematic channels.

Okay, okay, I must have misread your post. I thought you meant he was trying to say that the WLNY-CD signal signing on was interfering with WCBS because of the vertical polarity. :o

Wish I could help you with the TSReader but I don't know how, sorry.

It's not hard, just requires a USB or PCI tuner attached to a 32-bit Windows computer. Of course, without that hardware, it becomes very difficult. :)

- Trip

It's not hard, just requires a USB or PCI tuner attached to a 32-bit Windows computer. Of course, without that hardware, it becomes very difficult. :)

- Trip

I've never touched a PC, strictly Mac, ouch!!!

BTW, your knowledge and website is a blessing!!!

THANK YOU!!!!

I've never touched a PC, strictly Mac, ouch!!!

Haha, I'm a Linux guy and just keep Windows around for TSReader and the occasional game of Portal.

BTW, your knowledge and website is a blessing!!!

THANK YOU!!!!

Thanks for your kind words. I'm glad you find them to be useful. :)

- Trip

It's not hard, just requires a USB or PCI tuner attached to a 32-bit Windows computer. Of course, without that hardware, it becomes very difficult. :)

- Trip

I use TSReader on my 64 bit windows 7 system with no problems. You just can't use as many different types of tuners as you can on 32 bit. Mu Hauppauge QAM tuners for example don't work on Win 7 x64. But my Pinnacle PCTV 800e (woot special) works just fine on windows 7 x64 with TSReader. The downside of course is that it doesn't see and decode QAM.

I don't have my laptop at work with me today but I'll try to get a reading tomorrow.

I did not know that. I know I've had several people with 64-bit systems try it without success, so I've taken to just saying 32-bit.

- Trip

I did not know that. I know I've had several people with 64-bit systems try it without success, so I've taken to just saying 32-bit.

- Trip

There's really something that you don't know???

Haha, I'm a Linux guy and just keep Windows around for TSReader and the occasional game of Portal.



Thanks for your kind words. I'm glad you find them to be useful. :)

- Trip

What website?:confused::confused::confused::confused:

What website?:confused::confused::confused::confused:

The one which is in my signature and under my username at the left. http://www.rabbitears.info

- Trip

What website?:confused::confused::confused::confused:

I assume you're talking about Trip's website - www.rabbitears.info

Doesn't recognize it? The symptoms described only make sense if they're not transmitting any PSIP at all, which evidence via SiliconDust seems to support. I really need to see some TSReader on it; is there anyone who can receive it who is using a USB or PCI receiver in a 32-bit Windows computer?

I also don't understand the WCBS/WLNY-CD connection.

- Trip

So I have TSReader running right now (trying to find a good spot for the antenna among all of the multipath and electrical noise here in midtown) and they look just fine. But the signal is pretty weak.

I'll see if I can get a clean capture but it's pretty difficult.

So something else seems weird.

About 10 minutes ago they were almost all NULL packets, almost the full 19Mbps. Then all of a sudden the bitrates bumped up to about 3Mbps for video. Now it's about 3Mbps for video, 7Mbps for "ISO/IEC 13818-1 private_sections for program 6"

I have no idea what they are doing but it looks like they just did something.

There are two PMT PIDs by the way, one for program 3 and one for program 6.

That program 6 looks a lot like a video feed that's not being listed in the PMT. If I was up there with my full version of TSReader, I'd see if I could get anything out of it.

- Trip

Haha, I'm a Linux guy and just keep Windows around for TSReader and the occasional game of Portal
Originally Posted by Trip in VA

Trip do you know a tuner card that works decent with linux, i havent come across 1 yet.
if you let me know, txs

Trip do you know a tuner card that works decent with linux, i havent come across 1 yet.
if you let me know, txs

My DViCO FusionHDTV5-USB worked GREAT with Linux once the Bluebird firmware was stuck in /lib/firmware, but unfortunately, my heavy usage over three or four years wore out the USB port on the thing, so it no longer works.

I also have an AVerMedia USB stick which works decently, but the tuner is not as good as the DViCO was. (The DViCO had the actual LG 5th generation chip in it.)

I recently bought an Artec T18AR but it does not work with Linux at all. It's a shame too; all the individual chips on it have support in V4L as far as I can tell, but not in this specific configuration. I wish I could program; I don't think it would be too challenging to get it working. And the tuner in it is better, I think, than the DViCO.

- Trip

thx trip, i been thinking going with mythtv ubuntu supposedly has a kernel for it.

My DViCO FusionHDTV5-USB worked GREAT with Linux once the Bluebird firmware was stuck in /lib/firmware, but unfortunately, my heavy usage over three or four years wore out the USB port on the thing, so it no longer works.

I have always wondered how USB tuners perform. Can they handle fullscreen hi-def properly? Without choppiness? Can they handle "time-shifting" while you multitask (browsing the web or photoshopping)? I know PCI tuners (with built-in encoders) can do it fine. Even in old computers.

wLNY CD 45-1,3 via TrumpTower is actually better reception than ESB for Astoria,Q-
LICity, Greenpoint and Williamsburg, because of the UN building and WmsbrgBridge the BrooklynHeights to Downtown should have weak signal.
25- 3(1) shows (13-3)Vme kiddies in spanish, of course

wLNY CD 45-1,3 via TrumpTower is actually better reception than ESB for Astoria,Q-
LICity, Greenpoint and Williamsburg, because of the UN building and WmsbrgBridge the BrooklynHeights to Downtown should have weak signal.
25- 3(1) shows (13-3)Vme kiddies in spanish, of course

What is on 45-3? 45-1 Is 10/55

What is on 45-3? 45-1 Is 10/55

Nothing because there is no 45-3, there is also no 25-3, and WLNY acts as if there's no issues with their transmission. Yet all of a sudden my Dish VIP722 DVR displays WLNY below 45-1, but still no sound and no PSIP info, in addition, now one of my 2 Samsung SIR-T165's only shows a yellow light indicating a strong signal, but there's no longer any picture or sound.

Nothing because there is no 45-3, there is also no 25-3, and WLNY acts as if there's no issues with their transmission. Yet all of a sudden my Dish VIP722 DVR displays WLNY below 45-1, but still no sound and no PSIP info, in addition, now one of my 2 Samsung SIR-T165's only shows a yellow light indicating a strong signal, but there's no longer any picture or sound.

Did you e-mail WLNY and let them know that there is no sound? Many here did that with 11.3 and they fixed it.

Please view my post #12169, from 07-19-10, 02:15 PM (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=18927923&postcount=12169). These folks are in denial. I really don't much care as I never watch WLNY, but one would think others are trying to?

wmbc ch 63.4 seems to be adding a new channel. Anyone have any ideas??

Please view my post #12169, from 07-19-10, 02:15 PM (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=18927923&postcount=12169). These folks are in denial. I really don't much care as I never watch WLNY, but one would think others are trying to?

I must of missed that post. Does EVERYONE with the DISH PAL not get 45-1 with audio? Is it everyone with DISHPAL?

When I get a chance I will go to my Aunts house to check for you. Might be some weeks.

It is amazing that the main tec won't do anything. Did he say anything that there was SOUND before?


PS Do you have a e-mail for him?

PPS I almost forgot. Since I am in LI. The only two stations I got when I test the PAL DVR about 3 weeks or so ago. Was WLNY and some Spanish station. I got SOUND and VIDEO on Both. Something happened with the CHANGE TO NYC? imo Why did it work in my house with the DISH PAL DVR and the DISHPAL PLUS a year ago. Very strange indeed.

Did you try a total reset of your box? Did you confirm other DISHPAL users have same problem?

Just trying to help.

I must of missed that post. Does EVERYONE with the DISH PAL not get 45-1 with audio? Is it everyone with DISHPAL?

I really do not know anyone but you with the DISH PAL nor the Dishnet VIP722 DVR. I can tell you that shortly after my last post yesterday for a few hours there was no audio or video on any of my 7 OTA receivers. Then last night it returned as it was.

When I get a chance I will go to my Aunts house to check for you. Might be some weeks.

Great!

It is amazing that the main tec won't do anything. Did he say anything that there was SOUND before?

Only that the issue was solely with the VIP722 even though I explained there's quite a few other locals that do not display PSIP info but the audio and video are fine.

PS Do you have a e-mail for him?

No I don't, and I've learned sending e-mails to any of these guys gets less of a response than via phone. I continue to leave daily messages with a WCBS engineer and will do so until he gets tired enough to return my calls, ha ha! It would help if others called the WLNY engineer.

PPS I almost forgot. Since I am in LI, the only two stations I got when I test the PAL DVR about 3 weeks or so ago was WLNY and some Spanish station. I got SOUND and VIDEO on Both. Something happened with the CHANGE TO NYC? imo Why did it work in my house with the DISH PAL DVR and the DISHPAL PLUS a year ago? Very strange indeed.

This is true, the one and only time this summer that I received 55-1 (47) I got both audio and video on all my receivers. I would think the obvious answer to your question is that they are having technical issues.

Did you try a total reset of your box? Did you confirm other DISHPAL users have same problem?

Yes. No, because I don't know anyone. I'm still waiting for a callback from a Dishnet advanced rep re: the VIP722 DVR, however I was told a secondary company now handles technical issues with the DISH PAL receiver.

Just trying to help.

Appreciated!!!

I really do not know anyone but you with the DISH PAL nor the Dishnet VIP722 DVR. I can tell you that shortly after my last post yesterday for a few hours there was no audio or video on any of my 7 OTA receivers. Then last night it returned as it was.



Great!



Only that the issue was solely with the VIP722 even though I explained there's quite a few other locals that do not display PSIP info but the audio and video are fine.



No I don't, and I've learned sending e-mails to any of these guys gets less of a response than via phone. I continue to leave daily messages with a WCBS engineer and will do so until he gets tired enough to return my calls, ha ha! It would help if others called the WLNY engineer.



This is true, the one and only time this summer that I received 55-1 (47) I got both audio and video on all my receivers. I would think the obvious answer to your question is that they are having technical issues.



Yes. No, because I don't know anyone. I'm still waiting for a callback from a Dishnet advanced rep re: the VIP722 DVR, however I was told a secondary company now handles technical issues with the DISH PAL receiver.



Appreciated!!!

When I find out I will let you know. Her place is far from me. So you will have to wait a week or so.

You can always ask others here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1099071&page=336

I can tell you that FACT when I tested the DISHPAL DVR here at my house. I got WLNY from the LI tower. 3 weeks or so ago. It had video and AUDIO.

I have not tested it in Queens. YET. From NYC tower

I do not understand how that guy can blame your box. When the DISH boxes worked from the Melville, LI tower. It is clear to me that it is on their end.

I really do not know anyone but you with the DISH PAL nor the Dishnet VIP722 DVR. I can tell you that shortly after my last post yesterday for a few hours there was no audio or video on any of my 7 OTA receivers. Then last night it returned as it was.



Great!





So They fixed it? It is working on the pal also?

Has anyone else noticed that on Saturday, channel 39-1 was showing videos of Argentine singer Sandro. I watched a few because of their 60s campiness.

But, this was apparently a DVD someone popped in there at the station, since when the last video was over, the DVD went back to the main menu.

For over 24 hours now, 39-1 has been broadcasting the endless loop of the main menu of a DVD.

I guess it's not much different than the usual skyline with call letters.

How poorly run, strapped for cash and amateurish does a TV station have to be for this to happen?

They also have problems with their HSN feed which constantly cuts out for hours at a time.

When I find out I will let you know. Her place is far from me. So you will have to wait a week or so.

You can always ask others here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1099071&page=336

I can tell you that FACT when I tested the DISHPAL DVR here at my house. I got WLNY from the LI tower. 3 weeks or so ago. It had video and AUDIO.

I have not tested it in Queens. YET. From NYC tower

I do not understand how that guy can blame your box. When the DISH boxes worked from the Melville, LI tower. It is clear to me that it is on their end.

Will do! Thanks for the link, I'm going to go backwards on it and catch up. It would seem strange that WLNY would work in one location and not another. Though I doubt it, perhaps there is something wrong with my VIP722. It did piss me off that when I asked Dishnet for an upgrade to their new 100 hr. HD capacity VIP922, they said I would have to sign up for another 2-year contract. I might just call their bluff and cancel my sub unless they back down from that.

So They fixed it? It is working on the pal also?

No, I just meant video and audio has returned on my JVC HM-DT100U's, neither on both my Samsung SIR-T165's, and video but no audio on my VIP722.

Has anyone else noticed that on Saturday, channel 39-1 was showing videos of Argentine singer Sandro. I watched a few because of their 60s campiness.

But, this was apparently a DVD someone popped in there at the station, since when the last video was over, the DVD went back to the main menu.

For over 24 hours now, 39-1 has been broadcasting the endless loop of the main menu of a DVD.

I guess it's not much different than the usual skyline with call letters.

How poorly run, strapped for cash and amateurish does a TV station have to be for this to happen?

The only thing that cruddy channel means to me is that I can no longer receive WCTX 59-1 (39) from CT. occasionally. So many of these rinkey-dink channels operate as if they don't give a darn if anyone is watching. Ever check out the Satellite feed on 42-1 (02) WKOB Daystar, 3/4 of the time it's breaks up 75% of the time it's on air, (no problems with 42-2 WKOB-LP SD2, 42-3 WKOB-LP SD3 and 42-4 WKOB-LP SD4.) If someone is trying to watch this channel they'd have to pray they can see it before praying with it's content.

They also have problems with their HSN feed which constantly cuts out for hours at a time.

The only thing that cruddy channel means to me is that I can no longer receive WCTX 59-1 (39) from CT. occasionally. So many of these rinkey-dink channels operate as if they don't give a darn if anyone is watching. Ever check out the Satellite feed on 42-1 (02) WKOB Daystar? 75% of the time it's breaking up, (no problems with 42-2 WKOB-LP SD2, 42-3 WKOB-LP SD3 and 42-4 WKOB-LP SD4.) If someone is trying to watch this channel they'd have to pray they can see it before praying with it's content.

The only thing that cruddy channel means to me is that I can no longer receive WCTX 59-1 (39) from CT. occasionally. So many of these rinkey-dink channels operate as if they don't give a darn if anyone is watching. Ever check out the Satellite feed on 42-1 (02) WKOB Daystar? 75% of the time it's breaking up, (no problems with 42-2 WKOB-LP SD2, 42-3 WKOB-LP SD3 and 42-4 WKOB-LP SD4.) If someone is trying to watch this channel they'd have to pray they can see it before praying with it's content.

In the case of WKOB-LD, I guess they can pretend nobody's watching since chances are that nobody IS watching. Channel 2... ugh.

- Trip

In the case of WKOB-LD, I guess they can pretend nobody's watching since chances are that nobody IS watching. Channel 2... ugh.

- Trip

Ha ha, tell ya what, WKOB-LD comes in better than WCBS 2-1 (33) from my location. Same thing with 3-1 (03) WMBQ-LD. If I'm lucky I get CBS once a week during evening hours. It's been stated here that once the sun sets, signals are stronger and more reliable, but here its the reverse with CBS. In addition 64-1 & 64-2 (25) WASA-LD comes in at a 100 signal strength. Like I said previously most if not all the channels I don't care about come in beautifully, and CBS and NBC are a constant battle. That's a real ... UGH!!!

Trip, do you have any inside info about what some have speculated here in regards to CBS increasing their signal strength from the ESB, or about a repeater being added somewhere on Long Island?

BTW, if anyone cares, this forum has now blocked me from posting alternate smilies.

Ha ha, tell ya what, WKOB-LD comes in better than WCBS 2-1 (33) from my location. Same thing with 3-1 (03) WMBQ-LD.

You must be in quite the spot for it.

If I'm lucky I get CBS once a week during evening hours. It's been stated here that once the sun sets, signals are stronger and more reliable, but here its the reverse with CBS.

I bet the signals are getting stronger and more reliable--specifically, WFSB-33 from Hartford. Thus it crushes WCBS.

In addition 64-1 & 64-2 (25) WASA-LD comes in at a 100 signal strength. Like I said previously most if not all the channels I don't care about come in beautifully, and CBS and NBC are a constant battle. That's a real ... UGH!!!

WNBC too? That one's interesting and not what I would have expected.

Trip, do you have any inside info about what some have speculated here in regards to CBS increasing their signal strength from the ESB, or about a repeater being added somewhere on Long Island?

I don't, unfortunately. I do know that they've upped the power once already, from 249 kW to 335 kW, and have a further permit to bump it to 426 kW. Honestly, at your distance, there's no reason you shouldn't get both it and WNBC just fine, depending on local building obstructions of course.

So what stations do you receive at your location?

- Trip

I have 2 TV's in my house. One is a Mitsu 57" DLP, and the other a Zenith (LG) 42" LCD.

For WLNY, both tv's say "audio only", there is no video. And the signal strength is 50%.

Ha ha, tell ya what, WKOB-LD comes in better than WCBS 2-1 (33) from my location. Same thing with 3-1 (03) WMBQ-LD. If I'm lucky I get CBS once a week during evening hours. It's been stated here that once the sun sets, signals are stronger and more reliable, but here its the reverse with CBS. In addition 64-1 & 64-2 (25) WASA-LD comes in at a 100 signal strength. Like I said previously most if not all the channels I don't care about come in beautifully, and CBS and NBC are a constant battle. That's a real ... UGH!!!

Trip, do you have any inside info about what some have speculated here in regards to CBS increasing their signal strength from the ESB, or about a repeater being added somewhere on Long Island?

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i know someone that lives in great neck, they get great reception of connecticut stations, maybe you should point your antenna towards ct see what happens

Will do! Thanks for the link, I'm going to go backwards on it and catch up. It would seem strange that WLNY would work in one location and not another. Though I doubt it, perhaps there is something wrong with my VIP722. It did piss me off that when I asked Dishnet for an upgrade to their new 100 hr. HD capacity VIP922, they said I would have to sign up for another 2-year contract. I might just call their bluff and cancel my sub unless they back down from that.



No, I just meant video and audio has returned on my JVC HM-DT100U's, neither on both my Samsung SIR-T165's, and video but no audio on my VIP722.

I guess I am confused. You have a VIP722, but do you also have a Dishpal?

IF not do these boxes share the same chip? If one gets no video/audio does that mean the other also does not?

TitanTV is showing new sub-channel under WNYE-25:

NYC Life - IND - 25.3
NYC Gov - IND - 25.4
NYC World - IND - 25.5

I have not performed a channel re-scan yet, so I cannot confirm whether the new subs exist.

SiliconDust says not yet.

I thought 25-1 was already NYC Life?

- Trip

TitanTV is showing new sub-channel under WNYE-25:

NYC Life - IND - 25.3
NYC Gov - IND - 25.4
NYC World - IND - 25.5

I have not performed a channel re-scan yet, so I cannot confirm whether the new subs exist.

Here in Brooklyn, I see 25-1 and 25-2. There are no others that I can find.

Their own website lists the same three subchannels as being available on various cable providers, but not OTA. (However, it also claims that NYC Drive, a/k/a 25.2, is not available OTA, which it clearly is.)

Just did a re-scan and only 25.1 and 25.2 show up.

And 25.1 is NYC Life.

station that has a little budget, inexperience staff ,etc

Here in Brooklyn, I see 25-1 and 25-2. There are no others that I can find.

Their own website lists the same three subchannels as being available on various cable providers, but not OTA. (However, it also claims that NYC Drive, a/k/a 25.2, is not available OTA, which it clearly is.)

Please excuse me for not quoting each response.

Trip in VA - No I doubt it as I have never received WFSB-33 from Hartford since prior to the June 12th 2009 digital transition. I believe I know what's causing my issues with CBS and NBC. What I don't understand is why it is only affecting UHF 33 and 28. I live in a two-story complex. In 2006 I moved 2 condos over, (about a 50 to 60 ft. move), and simply extended the cables from my old unit to my new unit. Last September we had a roof replacement and everything had to be removed. In mid November I had 2 new antenna systems installed. My installer really screwed me. I pleaded with him to place both at the same 20 ft. height as before, however he only had one assistant, (it's a very steeply pitched roof), and no longer had the others guys he once had. He refused and only installed both at 15 feet. Had I realized the results, I would have told him to pack up and leave and would have hired someone else. Now, everything will need to be taken down and reinstalled, which will cost a substantial sum, (2 techs $125 per hour, and this would take at least 3.) These 2 networks were occasionally problematic back then as well. If you recall CBS was on UHF 56, NBC stayed the same on UHF 28, but nothing like this. My location is in a bit of a valley and as the foliage has grown in since spring and now summer things have gotten worse and worse but only with these 2 frequencies. Thanks for the CBS info, I left yet another message for their engineer yesterday, and will do so again today.

The signal strengths below are based on the optimum orientation from both my antenna systems, and the average of those using the Dishnet VIP722 and the JVC HM-DT100U. The Samsung SIR-T165 does not display numbers but only a grid.

Antenna 1: Winegard VHF/UHF 7084P + Winegard HDP 269 SquareShooter Pre-Amplifier for SquareShooter SS-1000.
Antenna 2: Winegard UHF 9095P + Winegard AP8700.

2-1 (33) CBS 0-72-88
3-1 (03) WMBQ-LD 74-81
4-1 (28) NBC 74-82
4-2 USports
4-4 OLYM
5-1 (44) myFOX 87-98
5-2 My9
7-1 (07) ABC 100
7-2 LivW
7-3 Eyewitness News Now
8-1 (10) WTNH (ABC) 68-72
9-1 (38) WOR My9 76-83
9-2 myFOX
11-1 (11) WPIX CW 100
11-2 Estrella TV
11-3 thisTV
13-1 (13) WNET 86-92
13-2 KIDS
13-3 V-ME
17.1 (17) WEBR-SD 73-76
17.2 WEBR-SD2
17.4 KRB
21-1 (21) WLIW-SD 70-72
21-2 Create
21-3 WORLD
25-1 (24) WNYE NYC TV Life 100
25-2 NYC TV Drive
31-1 WPXN (31) ION 90-96
31-2 qubo
31-3 IONLife
34-1 (34) WPXO 70-76
39-1 (39) WNYN-LD TVL 74
39-2 TVL
39-3 TVL
39-4 TVL
39-5 HSN
41-1 (40) WXTV UNI 100
41-2 WFUT-DT
42-1 (02) WKOB Daystar 79-83
42-2 WKOB-LP SD2
42-3 WKOB-LP SD3
42-4 WKOB-LP SD4
43-1 (42) WSAH 57-64
43-2 KCNS-TV
45-1 WLNY IND 68-76
47-1 (36) WNJU Telemundo 83-85
48-1 (48) WRNN-D1 79-81
48-2 WRNN-D2 Megatv
48-3 WRNN-D3 arirang
49-1 (49) WEDW (CPTV) 62-75
49-2 Create
50-1 (51) WNJN NJN1(PBS) 100
50-2 NJN2
50-3 Audio Only
54-1 (27) WTBY TBN 68-76
54-2 Church Channel
54-3 JCTV
54-4 Enlace USA
54-5 Smile Of A Child
63-1 (18) WMBC DT 87-90
63-2 CBS KOREAN
63-3 CGNTV
63-4 MHTV (Off-Air)
63-5 NTDTV World News
63-6 Azteca
64-1 (25) WASA-LD 96-100
64-2 WASA-LD
66-1 (29) WFME-TV Family Radio 86-88
66-2 WFME-FM
66-3 KEAR-AM
66-4 Foreign Language Programming
66-5 RTI (Radio Taiwan International)
66-6 NOAA (National Weather Service)
68-1 (30) WFUT Telefutura 90
68-2 WXTV UNI

TROPO
2-1 (19) WGBH BST (PBS)
2-2 WGBH-S
3-1 (26) KYW PHL (CBS)
4-1 (30) WBZ BST (CBS)
5-1 (20) WCVB BST (ABC)
10-1 (34) WCAU PHL (NBC)
12-1 (12) WHYY DE. (PBS)
12-2 Y Arts
12-3 Y Info
16-1 (50) WNEP Scranton, PA. (ABC)
16-2 WNEP2
17-1 WPHL MyPL17 PHL
17-2 THIStv
18-1 (46) WUVN CT. (UNI)
20-1 (20) WTXX CT (CW)
20-2 thisTV
23-1 (22) WNJT NJ (PBS)
23-2 NJN2
23-3 Audio Only
24-1 (09) WEDH CT (CPTV)
24-2 Create
30-1 (35) WVIT CT (NBC)
30-2 WVITW
30-3 US
35-1 (35) WYBE MIND PHL (PBS)
35-2 globalMiND
35-3 MHz Worldview
35-4 MINDtst
41-1 (141) WNJJ Paterson, N.J.
44-1 (49) WVIA (PBS) Scranton, PA
44-2 Local
44-3 Create
52-1 (43) WNJT NJ (PBS)
52-2 NJN2
52-3 Audio Only
55-1 (47) WLNY Riverhead, NY (IND)
56-1 (45) WOLF-D Hazleton, PA (FOX)
56-2 PA's C
56-3 WQMY
57-1 (32) WPSG PHL. (CW)
58-1 (08) WNJT NJ (PBS)
58-2 NJN2
58-3 Audio Only
64-1 (12) WNAC R.I. (FOX)
67-1 WFTY Telefutura Smithtown, NY
67-2 WXTV UNI

keyboard21 - No I have never owned nor had ever even heard about the DISH PAL receiver until post #12152 by nyctveng. I finally spoke to an "advanced rep" at Dishnet yesterday. Talking to this woman was like talking to a wall. Our conversation ended when I told her she had no idea what she was talking about. Her explanation is not even worthy of posting here.

mikepier - Pretty funny, you get audio and I get video. If we combine our systems we might get somewhere, lol!! Again, only my 4 JVC HM-DT100U's receive both.

nycdigital09 - Prior to 2003 I lived at the highest location in Great Neck, which I was told was one of the highest points on Long Island and it was amazing what I received there both analog and digital especially from the WTC. As you can see above, my reception from CT. is now quite limited.

Please excuse me for not quoting each response.

Trip in VA - No I doubt it as I have never received WFSB-33 from Hartford since prior to the June 12th 2009 digital transition. I believe I know what's causing my issues with CBS and NBC. What I don't understand is why it is only affecting UHF 33 and 28. I live in a two-story complex. In 2006 I moved 2 condos over, (about a 50 to 60 ft. move), and simply extended the cables from my old unit to my new unit. Last September we had a roof replacement and everything had to be removed. In mid November I had 2 new antenna systems installed. My installer really screwed me. I pleaded with him to place both at the same 20 ft. height as before, however he only had one assistant, (it's a very steeply pitched roof), and no longer had the others guys he once had. He refused and only installed both at 15 feet. Had I realized the results, I would have told him to pack up and leave and would have hired someone else. Now, everything will need to be taken down and reinstalled, which will cost a substantial sum, (2 techs $125 per hour, and this would take at least 3.) These 2 networks were occasionally problematic back then as well. If you recall CBS was on UHF 56, NBC stayed the same on UHF 28, but nothing like this. My location is in a bit of a valley and as the foliage has grown in since spring and now summer things have gotten worse and worse but only with these 2 frequencies. Thanks for the CBS info, I left yet another message for their engineer yesterday, and will do so again today.

The signal strengths below are based on the optimum orientation from both my antenna systems, and the average of those using the Dishnet VIP722 and the JVC HM-DT100U. The Samsung SIR-T165 does not display numbers but only a grid.

Antenna 1: Winegard VHF/UHF 7084P + Winegard HDP 269 SquareShooter Pre-Amplifier for SquareShooter SS-1000.
Antenna 2: Winegard UHF 9095P + Winegard AP8700.

2-1 (33) CBS 0-72-88
3-1 (03) WMBQ-LD 74-81
4-1 (28) NBC 74-82
4-2 USports
4-4 OLYM
5-1 (44) myFOX 87-98
5-2 My9
7-1 (07) ABC 100
7-2 LivW
7-3 Eyewitness News Now
8-1 (10) WTNH (ABC) 68-72
9-1 (38) WOR My9 76-83
9-2 myFOX
11-1 (11) WPIX CW 100
11-2 Estrella TV
11-3 thisTV
13-1 (13) WNET 86-92
13-2 KIDS
13-3 V-ME
17.1 (17) WEBR-SD 73-76
17.2 WEBR-SD2
17.4 KRB
21-1 (21) WLIW-SD 70-72
21-2 Create
21-3 WORLD
25-1 (24) WNYE NYC TV Life 100
25-2 NYC TV Drive
31-1 WPXN (31) ION 90-96
31-2 qubo
31-3 IONLife
34-1 (34) WPXO 70-76
39-1 (39) WNYN-LD TVL 74
39-2 TVL
39-3 TVL
39-4 TVL
39-5 HSN
41-1 (40) WXTV UNI 100
41-2 WFUT-DT
42-1 (02) WKOB Daystar 79-83
42-2 WKOB-LP SD2
42-3 WKOB-LP SD3
42-4 WKOB-LP SD4
43-1 (42) WSAH 57-64
43-2 KCNS-TV
45-1 WLNY IND 68-76
47-1 (36) WNJU Telemundo 83-85
48-1 (48) WRNN-D1 79-81
48-2 WRNN-D2 Megatv
48-3 WRNN-D3 arirang
49-1 (49) WEDW (CPTV) 62-75
49-2 Create
50-1 (51) WNJN NJN1(PBS) 100
50-2 NJN2
50-3 Audio Only
54-1 (27) WTBY TBN 68-76
54-2 Church Channel
54-3 JCTV
54-4 Enlace USA
54-5 Smile Of A Child
63-1 (18) WMBC DT 87-90
63-2 CBS KOREAN
63-3 CGNTV
63-4 MHTV (Off-Air)
63-5 NTDTV World News
63-6 Azteca
64-1 (25) WASA-LD 96-100
64-2 WASA-LD
66-1 (29) WFME-TV Family Radio 86-88
66-2 WFME-FM
66-3 KEAR-AM
66-4 Foreign Language Programming
66-5 RTI (Radio Taiwan International)
66-6 NOAA (National Weather Service)
68-1 (30) WFUT Telefutura 90
68-2 WXTV UNI

TROPO
2-1 (19) WGBH BST (PBS)
2-2 WGBH-S
3-1 (26) KYW PHL (CBS)
4-1 (30) WBZ BST (CBS)
5-1 (20) WCVB BST (ABC)
10-1 (34) WCAU PHL (NBC)
12-1 (12) WHYY DE. (PBS)
12-2 Y Arts
12-3 Y Info
16-1 (50) WNEP Scranton, PA. (ABC)
16-2 WNEP2
17-1 WPHL MyPL17 PHL
17-2 THIStv
18-1 (46) WUVN CT. (UNI)
20-1 (20) WTXX CT (CW)
20-2 thisTV
23-1 (22) WNJT NJ (PBS)
23-2 NJN2
23-3 Audio Only
24-1 (09) WEDH CT (CPTV)
24-2 Create
30-1 (35) WVIT CT (NBC)
30-2 WVITW
30-3 US
35-1 (35) WYBE MIND PHL (PBS)
35-2 globalMiND
35-3 MHz Worldview
35-4 MINDtst
41-1 (141) WNJJ Paterson, N.J.
44-1 (49) WVIA (PBS) Scranton, PA
44-2 Local
44-3 Create
52-1 (43) WNJT NJ (PBS)
52-2 NJN2
52-3 Audio Only
55-1 (47) WLNY Riverhead, NY (IND)
56-1 (45) WOLF-D Hazleton, PA (FOX)
56-2 PA's C
56-3 WQMY
57-1 (32) WPSG PHL. (CW)
58-1 (08) WNJT NJ (PBS)
58-2 NJN2
58-3 Audio Only
64-1 (12) WNAC R.I. (FOX)
67-1 WFTY Telefutura Smithtown, NY
67-2 WXTV UNI

keyboard21 - No I have never owned nor had ever even heard about the DISH PAL receiver until post #12152 by nyctveng. I finally spoke to an "advanced rep" at Dishnet yesterday. Talking to this woman was like talking to a wall. Our conversation ended when I told her she had no idea what she was talking about. Her explanation is not even worthy of posting here.

mikepier - Pretty funny, you get audio and I get video. If we combine our systems we might get somewhere, lol!! Again, only my 4 JVC HM-DT100U's receive both.

nycdigital09 - Prior to 2003 I lived at the highest location in Great Neck, which I was told was one of the highest points on Long Island and it was amazing what I received there both analog and digital especially from the WTC. As you can see above, my reception from CT. is now quite limited.

I Spoke to Dish once about the pal. They knew less then my dog. Their answer? GET a Brand new Satellite system. :mad::confused::eek:

Dish cares about one thing. DISH SALES. Sorry you bought a Dishpal DVR sir. Sorry it does not work. Why not get a Satellite system for a great price.

Please excuse me for not quoting each response.

Trip in VA - No I doubt it as I have never received WFSB-33 from Hartford since prior to the June 12th 2009 digital transition. I believe I know what's causing my issues with CBS and NBC. What I don't understand is why it is only affecting UHF 33 and 28. I live in a two-story complex. In 2006 I moved 2 condos over, (about a 50 to 60 ft. move), and simply extended the cables from my old unit to my new unit. Last September we had a roof replacement and everything had to be removed. In mid November I had 2 new antenna systems installed. My installer really screwed me. I pleaded with him to place both at the same 20 ft. height as before, however he only had one assistant, (it's a very steeply pitched roof), and no longer had the others guys he once had. He refused and only installed both at 15 feet. Had I realized the results, I would have told him to pack up and leave and would have hired someone else. Now, everything will need to be taken down and reinstalled, which will cost a substantial sum, (2 techs $125 per hour, and this would take at least 3.) These 2 networks were occasionally problematic back then as well. If you recall CBS was on UHF 56, NBC stayed the same on UHF 28, but nothing like this. My location is in a bit of a valley and as the foliage has grown in since spring and now summer things have gotten worse and worse but only with these 2 frequencies. Thanks for the CBS info, I left yet another message for their engineer yesterday, and will do so again today.

Wow, I see. That is strange that it impacts those two signals and no others.

[The unfathomable list of stations.]

Wow! It's a real shame you don't have a Windows machine. I'd love some data out of some of those stations you can receive. :D

- Trip

DeadFormatLover, with my xg91 aimed at hartford i can get wtxx at dusk, thistv pq, is solid, like i said earlier, my friend in great neck used to dx stations believe or not miami,fla on analog vhf stations.

I Spoke to Dish once about the pal. They knew less then my dog. Their answer? GET a Brand new Satellite system. :mad::confused::eek:

Dish cares about one thing. DISH SALES. Sorry you bought a Dishpal DVR sir. Sorry it does not work. Why not get a Satellite system for a great price.

I didn't buy a Dishpal DVR, nor the VIP722. I rent the VIP722. Aside from the PSIP issue on a number of channels and no audio on WLNY, it is the best OTA tuner I've ever used. I knew I was in trouble when the rep I spoke with asked me, "What's PSIP?" I was then being feed info via a Dish engineer through her, and I told her she was relaying what he/she said incorrectly. I told her I would call back and reach someone who knew what they were talking about, and I will. I have spoken to some very knowledgeable people at Dish, but this woman was a clunker.

Wow, I see. That is strange that it impacts those two signals and no others.

Wow! It's a real shame you don't have a Windows machine. I'd love some data out of some of those stations you can receive. :D

- Trip

Even stranger is that I cannot figure out the atmospheric conditions that do allow CBS to come in. For example, last Tuesday, July 20, it was perfect as it is tonight while I'm DVHS'ing NCIS Los Angeles. In addition it was perfect last Friday, July 23, while taping Flashpoint. Of all my OTA receivers, only the VIP 722 consistently receives NBC, but even CBS pops in and out when the weather is severe.

What's Windows, ha ha!

DeadFormatLover, with my xg91 aimed at hartford i can get wtxx at dusk, thistv pq, is solid, like i said earlier, my friend in great neck used to dx stations believe or not miami,fla on analog vhf stations.

I get WTXX quite often too, but it only qualified for my fringe list because it is not consistent. Somewhere I have a handwritten list containing well over 400 channels I received back in the analog days, once even channel 3 from Cuba during a hurricane here, which I video taped in VHS cause I figured no one would believe me!!

Has anyone else noticed that on Saturday, channel 39-1 was showing videos of Argentine singer Sandro. I watched a few because of their 60s campiness.

But, this was apparently a DVD someone popped in there at the station, since when the last video was over, the DVD went back to the main menu.

For over 24 hours now, 39-1 has been broadcasting the endless loop of the main menu of a DVD.



They broadcasted the DVD menu from Saturday afternoon until Wednesday morning. But, good news! Somebody came in to work this morning (the janitor?) and hit play. So, we can all watch Sandor videos again, until the DVD player goes back to the menu again in a few hours.

They broadcasted the DVD menu from Saturday afternoon until Wednesday morning. But, good news! Somebody came in to work this morning (the janitor?) and hit play. So, we can all watch Sandor videos again, until the DVD player goes back to the menu again in a few hours.

AVS should have their own station. We would run it better

No I doubt it as I have never received WFSB-33 from Hartford since prior to the June 12th 2009 digital transition. I believe I know what's causing my issues with CBS and NBC Originally Posted by deadformatlover

about your reception problem with the 2 stations i think youre definitely havin co-channel interference, i have issues with cbs 33-1 specially in winter time, my picture breaks for a few seconds then is fine, then it starts doing again. have you tried indoor antenna for the 2 channels to see if is only your outdoor gear. like you i use hdp 269 high input preamp. i been using a diy antenna is 1 bay bowtie, i can get everything clear without any issues, vhf comes in like bandit. hopefully i can be of some help

nycdigital09, as did Trip, thank you for helping me out with your hypothesis, but though I'm not positive, here's why I don't think co-channel interference is the problem I'm encountering. There's a woman a block away living in a traditional 5-story apartment building with a very old U/V antenna with no amp on it's roof that I would guess is at least at a 50-foot higher elevation than my antennas. It's connected using a tattered 300 ohm cable to one of those cheapo DTV receivers the government gave out coupons for, and she has no problem getting WCBS or WNBC at any time of the year. She does have problems receiving some of the low-power signals though. In regards to NBC, I cannot find any other network within my reception range that transmits on UHF channel 28. Finally, during the period when my old antennas were taken down before I installed my new ones, I did purchase the amplified Terk antenna only to discover they are ineffective in buildings which have Stucco wall construction as does my complex. I even called Terk and asked them why they do not state this anywhere on their website.

I really do not know anyone but you with the DISH PAL nor the Dishnet VIP722 DVR. I can tell you that shortly after my last post yesterday for a few hours there was no audio or video on any of my 7 OTA receivers. Then last night it returned as it was.



Great!



Only that the issue was solely with the VIP722 even though I explained there's quite a few other locals that do not display PSIP info but the audio and video are fine.



No I don't, and I've learned sending e-mails to any of these guys gets less of a response than via phone. I continue to leave daily messages with a WCBS engineer and will do so until he gets tired enough to return my calls, ha ha! It would help if others called the WLNY engineer.



This is true, the one and only time this summer that I received 55-1 (47) I got both audio and video on all my receivers. I would think the obvious answer to your question is that they are having technical issues.



Yes. No, because I don't know anyone. I'm still waiting for a callback from a Dishnet advanced rep re: the VIP722 DVR, however I was told a secondary company now handles technical issues with the DISH PAL receiver.



Appreciated!!!

Ok as promised. I went today and we are GETTING 45-1 (CHANNEL 55) The signal strength is 73 to 83. We get VIDEO and SOUND with both the DTVPAL and the DTVPAL DVR. We get name of what is playing ,but no description. This might change when we get the TV GUIDE signal. NYC is a TVGUIDE market and we get CBS (where the TVGuide signal comes from) At 98 to 100%

I am still only getting PSIP info. I read that this box can take 24 to 36 hours to have the TVGUIDE info downloaded when you setup up DTVPAL DVR box for the first time.


Are you getting any AUDIO or NAME of what show is playing?


Hope this helps:D


PS 45-1 comes from what building in NYC?

Don't know if this has been brought up before, but how come I don't see WLNY listed on any online TV guide listings like TitanTV, etc?

Don't know if this has been brought up before, but how come I don't see WLNY listed on any online TV guide listings like TitanTV, etc?

New stations take time to update on those websites. At least in the past that is what happened

it can be overload that your pickin up those stations, if youre using a preamp like wg8700

Ok as promised. I went today and we are GETTING 45-1 (CHANNEL 55) The signal strength is 73 to 83. We get VIDEO and SOUND with both the DTVPAL and the DTVPAL DVR. We get name of what is playing ,but no description. This might change when we get the TV GUIDE signal. NYC is a TVGUIDE market and we get CBS (where the TVGuide signal comes from) At 98 to 100%

I am still only getting PSIP info. I read that this box can take 24 to 36 hours to have the TVGUIDE info downloaded when you setup up DTVPAL DVR box for the first time.

Are you getting any AUDIO or NAME of what show is playing?

Hope this helps:D

PS 45-1 comes from what building in NYC?

Thanks keyboard21!!

I get video, no audio no PSIP except below 45-1 it says WLNY on my Dishnet VIP722 DVR. I get everything fine including full PSIP info on my JVC DT100U, and nothing except a strong signal indication on my Samsung SIR-T165.

Transmitting from the Trump Tower.

it can be overload that your pickin up those stations, if youre using a preamp like wg8700

Not sure if your response was for me, but if so, I have wondered about that. Perhaps Trip can shed some light on this? Do CBS and NBC NY have the strongest transmissions?

I'll have to get back to you later in the day. Doing some moving. If you want to know what my new apartment's reception experience is like, though, go poke at the Charlottesville/Harrisonburg thread. :)

- Trip

Transmitting from the Trump Tower.


That explains why the signal is less then the Major stations coming from ESB. Those we get in the high 90's Except for WPIX which is in the high 80's With the PAL Boxs anything over 60 is a good signal lock ,but since SIGNAL is like running water and always fluid and moving. It is safe to have 75 or above to have no breakups.

I'll have to get back to you later in the day. Doing some moving. If you want to know what my new apartment's reception experience is like, though, go poke at the Charlottesville/Harrisonburg thread. :)

- Trip

Thanks Trip. Good luck with your new move!! I guess my searching skills are not up to par as I could not locate the Charlottesville/Harrisonburg thread, but I performed a TV Signal Analysis for my location using your website. The results are fairly accurate though it doesn't quite match up to the signal strengths I'm receiving, (see my channel signal strength list), and doesn't seem to justify a potential overload on NY NBC, though perhaps NY CBS, http://www.tvfool.com/?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29&q=id%3d9fbeafc558aeec. Again, I believe I simply need to raise my antennas as I'm surrounded by many tall trees. Last night I was again receiving CBS just fine and I'm beginning to see a correlation of what weather conditions are required for this to happen. I use the Weather Channel online. Simply add your zip code to this url. http://www.weather.com/outlook/health/general/hourbyhour./11021?from=36hr_fcstHourLink_health (http://www.weather.com/outlook/health/general/hourbyhour/11021?from=36hr_fcstHourLink_health).

On another note, I have been very surprised at how little tropo there's been here throughout July considering the many record heat waves we've had.

Thanks. I'm having really good reception luck here. I'm going to see if a full-sized UHF antenna will get me the things I want from Richmond.

And I don't run TVFool. ;)

Multipath definitely seems plausible in your situation. A peek at your signals with a spectrum analyzer would likely tell the story.

- Trip

Thanks. I'm having really good reception luck here. I'm going to see if a full-sized UHF antenna will get me the things I want from Richmond.

And I don't run TVFool. ;)

Multipath definitely seems plausible in your situation. A peek at your signals with a spectrum analyzer would likely tell the story.

- Trip

Going to Dinner in D.C?

picked up a nice tropo last night, i got ion affiliate from new london ct. on freq 26.1 now that freq 45.1 is taken up here by tv 55. i cannot dx ct pbs 45.1 any longer. anyone here on this forum have used a hd homerun, i like to hear your experience. trip, i got a short yagi, if you like, is similar to ad xg43

Going to Dinner in D.C?

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anyone here on this forum have used a hd homerun, i like to hear your experience.

I ordered one off of Woot.com over the weekend, so hopefully I'll be able to let you know soon. :)

trip, i got a short yagi, if you like, is similar to ad xg43

I'll have to see. I really just want to test an outdoor antenna here; I don't want to take an antenna if I don't know it's going to work. :)

- Trip

I never knew how many infomercials 55/10 had. Seems they have more then ION

I ordered one off of Woot.com over the weekend, so hopefully I'll be able to let you know soon
Originally Posted by trip in va View Post 12234

trip, i been thinkin of getting one also, but the only thing that has me scratchin my head is will it work on my network, i have linksys gear, i need for someone to have actually used it. then they comment on it.
appreciate your input trip.

Hello,

Last night, the night of Mon Aug 2, at about half past eleven, all my digital tv signals were lost.

I have a tv with built in digital tuner. I use over the air, no cable.

I scanned, and nothing was found. So after I assured myself no catastrophe has occurred, the A.M. radio was rolling smoothly along, I took my Converter Box which I had gotten with the coupon some time back and hooked the Co Axe into it and that into the tv.

Here is what occurred.

I regained the tv. I however did not have the clarity. I had lost the digital quality.


Then, today, when I rescanned without the converter box, the stations were found again. My digital had returned.


Last night, i tried several times, to no avail. I checked online and saw no news.

Here is my understanding, correct me if this is wrong.

Stations broadcast in digital. For instance, channel 11 or channel 5 broadcast in digital and I should be able to receive this digital signal without cable. Hence, over the air.

I saw some writings that the signals were being encrypted, but this should not have any effect on Over the Air, should it.

Also, what might have occurred last night. It was no fault of my own, I think.

Thank you in advance.

I will add I and my tv are located in the Bronx. If this has any bearing on anything.

regained the tv. I however did not have the clarity. I had lost the digital quality.

welcome to ota forum, from your post what i gather is that you lost your ota channels, monday night was a weird night, some of my channels signal were kind of low, i think it was atmospherics playing with digital signal.

There is a lot of solar flare activity now which may impact reception:

Scientists said two minor storms flared on Sunday and are shooting tons of plasma directly at Earth which could create a geomagnetic storm and aurorae.

To read the rest:

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/08/04/solar-flare-could-light-up-the-new-york-night-sky/

Without knowing what type of antenna system Moe has, it's impossible to troubleshoot what went on. There's no way with a good outdoor antenna system a channel scan wouldn't map out anything. With an indoor antenna I could see that happening. My guess is that the logic system of his monitor simply locked up momentarily as evidenced by his OTA tuner receiving channels. First thing I do whenever a digital component problem occurs with anything is to reboot reboot reboot.

I did notice some strong propagation from Philly Monday night just around that time, but it disappeared very quickly. I did not experience any drop in signal strength with the local channels except for my usual problems with CBS & NBC.

http://www.freewebs.com/skump/moe%20howard.jpg

Hello,


I regained the tv. I however did not have the clarity. I had lost the digital quality.



That's because the converter box only outputs 480i SD, unlike the HD you were receiving OTA.

kb21, trip lives further south than dc, he is closer to richmond. youre still using terk tv55 stick, i think you can do better with c4, aim it out of your window you see what it can get.

kb21, trip lives further south than dc, he is closer to richmond. youre still using terk tv55 stick, i think you can do better with c4, aim it out of your window you see what it can get.

Well I tried a C2 with the same results as the TERk 55. So why keep it? A C4 MIGHT do better?? My aunt is tired of antennas and wont let me put such a large antenna as the C4 in her apartment.

I did get her a new Dishpal DVR for firesale price of $150 at SEARS. With this she gets TVguide 7 days of Guide info. Also she can use just one remote for DVR and TV. Plus it has HDMI and Component connections. So it can grow with her.

With the new DVR Dishpal and the terk 55 she gets 36 channels including subs. Only 3 of them come in choppy and that is Koren stations 17-1, 2, 3
Everything else has 80 to 100 signal.

Channels she gets:

2-1
4-1, 2, 4
5-1, 2
7-1, 2, 3
9-1, 2
11-1, 2, 3
13-1 ,2 ,3
25-1, 2
31-1, 2, 3
34-1
39-1, 2, 3, 4, 5
41-1 ,2
45-1
47-1
68-1

17-1, 2, 4 (Very Choppy 60 signal)

What else would she need to get? What is she missing? Seems she gets most of what is offered. Of course I wish channel 21 had a NYC repeater. She gets more stations then some people on here. Overall I think she has enough. Of course I am the one who loves to tweak things. IF I had my way she would have 3 C4's and a preamp and a person 24/7 to stand there and turn the antenna to get get more stations. lol

Well I tried a C2 with the same results as the TERk 55. So why keep it. A C4 MIGHT do better?? My aunt is tired of antennas and wont let me put such a large antenna as the C4 in her apartment.

I did get her a new Dishpal DVR for firesale price of $150 at SEARS. With this she gets TVguide 7 days of Guide info. Also she can use just one remote for DVR and TV. Plus it has HDMI and Component connections. So it can grow with her.

With the new DVR Dishpal and the terk 55 she gets 36 channels including subs. Only 3 of them come in choppy and that is Koren stations 17-1, 2, 3
Everything else has 80 to 100 signal.

Channels she gets:

2-1
4-1, 2, 4
5-1, 2
7-1, 2, 3
9-1, 2
11-1, 2, 3
25-1, 2
31-1, 2, 3
34-1
39-1, 2, 3, 4, 5
41-1 ,2
45-1
47-1
68-1

17-1, 2, 4 (Very Choppy 60 signal)

What else would she need to get? What is she missing? Seems she gets most of what is offered. Of course I wish channel 21 had a NYC repeater.

No channel 13 PBS and it's subs?

No channel 13 PBS and it's subs?

Opps a typo Yes 13-1 ,2 ,3 at 97 signal

So make it 33 plus channels 17-1 -2, 3

No 50 or 58?

- Trip

No 50 or 58?

- Trip

Nope. What are they PBS? 50 is PBS What is 58? I do not even see it on titan TV listings?


PBS she gets on 13.1 , 2 , 3


Where does 50 and 58 come from? NJ? Or NYC?

They're both PBS from NJN. WNJN-51 and WNJB-8.

- Trip

They're both PBS from NJN. WNJN-51 and WNJB-8.

- Trip

Well I guess if I had a choice between losing one or two of the MAJORS AKA Cbs, NBC Ect

I would have to say who needs two more PBS stations when you have one. Remember Queens is far from NJ . That is why we do not get it.

You have to admit that 33 to 36 stations is pretty good.

I posted this in the Dishpal DVR section. Maybe you can answer it since it is a TVGOS question

Just to let everyone know. I checked today and the TVGUIDE logo is on the top right of my guide. I guess it does take 24 plus hours when you first turn on the box. We get 7 days of programing not 8.

One thing I noticed. The channels that showed NAME of program ,but no description of the show that is playing. It is still the same way even after we got the TV guide info. You would think all that would of been fixed?

Does the DESCRIPTION come from Tvguide (TVGOS) or still PSIP?

I finally had not one but 2 lengthy conversations with a WCBS NY engineer today. Here's what I was told.

1. Without a doubt co-channeling is occurring with WFSB CBS CT UHF 33 and CBS NY UHF 33. WCBS NY has been granted permission from WFSB CBS CT to increase power to 426 kW. However this requires a thicker cable connected to the ESB transmitter and they have become very difficult to deal with. No ET as to if or when this will occur.

2. A translator on UHF 22 pointing north & east from Mineola using WLIW's facilities has been granted but could take 6-8 months to happen.

3. Dead pockets for WCBS NY are the Northshore of Long Island which includes Great Neck and many other townships + those further east, along with Bedford in Westchester County NY.

4. His antenna guru is Oded Bendov, tvantenna.tv (http://www.tvantenna.tv) who recommends viewers having these problems try the Winegard Pro-star HD-440 using no amplifier.

Finally in regards to Congress and the FCC taking back a portion of the Broadcast Spectrum he feels that they will succeed by selling off UHF frequencies 31 through 51. He stated this will create a co-channel nightmare and will eliminate many networks if and when it happens.

It is time we all pay more attention to The FCC & Broadcast Spectrum (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1216722) AVS Forum thread, and these particular posts by Ionosphere on 07-23-10, 03:16 PM (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=18949681#post18949681) and by dkreichen1968 on 07-19-10, 02:37 PM (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=18928033#post18928033). Fight back!!!!