so whos taking down their antenna because of irene?

It would be interesting to see what goes out first, my cable service, or my OTA service.

Guess it does not really matter if my electric service goes out first.

Why don't you try answering your PMS first:rolleyes:
Tried 10 times.

really


I guess this is where a indoor antenna comes in handy. All that talk about forcing landlord to let me put antenna on side of building. Was all for NOT lol

is your aunt getting exceptional reception with the turk
maybe you can get her a leaf antenna :D

really




is your aunt getting exceptional reception with the turk
maybe you can get her a leaf antenna :D

Yes pls check your PM status again and send a test pm and a test e-mail to . Something I want to talk to you about

The terk-55 works just fine. She gets more stations then most. I heard the leaf antenna was pure garbage. Is that true?

...I'm definitely taking my antenna down.
Done!

And I see from the radar (see the link in that post) that some heavy rain is likely to hit me pretty soon. Given that I needed to be up on my roof to take that monster down, I wasn't interested in doing it in the rain.

Not to mention the wind.

If I'm lucky, I'll be able to put it back up sometime tomorrow afternoon or evening so's I don't miss my Sunday late-night recording session.

I'll probably be posting at times tomorrow to ask if ABC is still on the air. No point in hurrying to put it back up if they aren't operational.

Done!

And I see from the radar (see the link in that post) that some heavy rain is likely to hit me pretty soon. Given that I needed to be up on my roof to take that monster down, I wasn't interested in doing it in the rain.



you took it down allready, did you have any help with the behemoth ?

try installing a cheap preamp (radio shack see if it helps reception ?

do you get philly stations with indoor antenna ?

...If I'm lucky, I'll be able to put it back up sometime tomorrow afternoon or evening so's I don't miss my Sunday late-night recording session.
This storm track link -

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/26/national/main20097968.shtml?tag=strip#Scene_1

has Irene arriving here around 9:00 to 10:00 tomorrow morning. Judging by how far it's moved since 8:00 this morning, which is also shown on the track, I'd say I have a shot at getting my antenna back up by 1:00 AM Monday, which will be in time for my recording session.

Of course, it'll all depend on how quickly it moves away after it gets here. But I think I've got a good shot. If I can get it up anytime before 1 AM, I can check out my RTV station (WFMZ 69.4) and see what episode of Da Vinci they are showing. That is, assuming they are actually broadcasting it as they say they are.

... did you have any help with the behemoth ?
No.

Because of the way I have it mounted, I am able to just lower it down several feet (just slide it down) which then allows me access to the antenna itself (at the top of the mast). I had planned to remove the antenna from the mast after lowering it, but then I decided to just pull it back up and out of it's mount and move the thing with the mast attached.

Bad idea, but I got it done without any problems or damage.

I will almost surely take it off the mast tomorrow and put that in place before bringing the antenna up onto the roof and attaching it back onto the mast.

Doing it in two parts should be really easy.

I (of course) collapsed all the VHF elements before removing it (by folding them in) .

...Of course, it'll all depend on how quickly it moves away after it gets here. ....
That storm tracker now has the storm way up in northern Maine, well above Montreal, at 2:00 AM on Monday. So it looks like it should be well out of here by midnight tomorrow.

my antenna held up great. esb held up great. not one stutter or drop in my signal at all. it was just another sunny, clear day in my OTA reception.

my antenna held up great. esb held up great. not one stutter or drop in my signal at all. it was just another sunny, clear day in my OTA reception.
I assume you're getting ch 7.1 OTA?

Here in Bridgewater the winds are REALLY picking up. It stopped raining hours ago -- I think it was around 8:00 or shortly thereafter. It's 1:10 now. I most certainly would not put my monster antenna back up with these strong winds that are out there now. So those of you north of me have strong winds coming if they're not already there. Good news is that they should be pretty much back to just normal-type gusty winds by this evening.

I definitely done good when I chose to take my antenna down. The bad news is that since I'm OTA only, I missed all that good storm coverage on the TV.

I assume you're getting ch 7.1 OTA?

Here in Bridgewater the winds are REALLY picking up. It stopped raining hours ago -- I think it was around 8:00 or shortly thereafter. It's 1:10 now. I most certainly would not put my monster antenna back up with these strong winds that are out there now. So those of you north of me have strong winds coming if they're not already there. Good news is that they should be pretty much back to just normal-type gusty winds by this evening.

I definitely done good when I chose to take my antenna down. The bad news is that since I'm OTA only, I missed all that good storm coverage on the TV.

Yes I am. My signal is degraded to 92% with all this high wind ;)

Yes I am. My signal is degraded to 92% with all this high wind ;)
Thanks much. I hope to record @ 1:35 AM 'tonight' and it's good to know that 7.1 is still on the air. I'll put my mast up soon but not gonna top it off with the RS Model VU-190 XR monster until these winds calm down -- if they ever do today/tonight.

Of course, there's always the chance that these high winds could cause ABC problems later today even if I do get myself operational at some point today.

I assume you're getting ch 7.1 OTA?

Here in Bridgewater the winds are REALLY picking up. It stopped raining hours ago -- I think it was around 8:00 or shortly thereafter. It's 1:10 now. I most certainly would not put my monster antenna back up with these strong winds that are out there now. So those of you north of me have strong winds coming if they're not already there. Good news is that they should be pretty much back to just normal-type gusty winds by this evening.

I definitely done good when I chose to take my antenna down. The bad news is that since I'm OTA only, I missed all that good storm coverage on the TV.

antenna it didnt hold up well, i got a small diy antenna that i stick out my window that gets me all my stations, I don't think I'm going to put up another outdoor antenna anytime soon. I mostly watch dtv anyway.

I'm happy to report my 3 antennas held up very well! We did not get the big powerful gusts till after the storm passed and then we must have had some gusts over 50 mph! Lots of limbs down in the area.

Also reception was pretty good during and after the storm. Quite surprised.

Lots of people lost power in my town and surrounding towns but somehow we kept ours.

I'm happy to report my 3 antennas held up very well! ....
That's good news. I think I saw one of your antennas that you posted on another site (maybe you don't even have it anymore), but that one looked like it wouldn't catch a lot of wind. Also, Aero 1 said his antenna did fine but I don't know what sort he has.

Mine catches waay too much wind to have left it up during the winds we had here. And those winds lasted probably 10 hours or so. They finally began to let up ~ 7:30 PM and by 8:30 or so we were back to just "normal" gusty winds. Not a problem for my antenna, which was back in place by then. My ABC reception was fine for my "recording session" which was from 2 AM to 3 AM (pushed back a half hour due to apparent storm coverage by ABC after the 11:00 news).

One thing I now am sure of as a result of having taken my antenna down is this: When I put it back up, I had to re-mount it on the mast. Thus it's now level on the mast whereas it previously was mounted tipped upward a bit (which wasn't easy to do -- don't ask). Now that it's level and not tipped somewhat upward, my reception of ABC is 88-89% (solid) whereas previously it was 90-92%.

It doesn't seem to matter much for ABC since anything solid 85% or above is just fine, but it does matter a LOT for MY9 recepetion, which is now basically nil. So I need to do something in that regard because there's another MY9 Yankee game tomorrow night.

I also watched quite a bit of ch 13 last night and that reception actually seemed better than before (when the antenna was tipped upward). I'm not sure the percentage is up, but it seemed to be more solid than before. Hardly any glitches.

So I'm thinking I need to work out some kind of crazy way to tip the antenna up just for MY9 reception. How I'm going to do that, I have no clue.

I assume that tipping it upward means it's pointed more toward the top of the ridge that's got me blocked.

My main TV reception, out of Philly, actually seems to be better when the antenna isn't tipped up.

So, once again, it's just that troublesome MY9.

Also, Aero 1 said his antenna did fine but I don't know what sort he has.

antennas direct DB4 for UHF and CS5 for VHF

http://i.min.us/inkH14.jpg

My antenna's that weathered the storm. The highest up is a CM 4228 and the other 2 are GH6 models.

.... I think I saw one of your antennas that you posted on another site (maybe you don't even have it anymore ...
My antenna's that weathered the storm. The highest up is a CM 4228 and the other 2 are GH6 models.
None of those look like the one I saw, which was a home-made job. Maybe it wasn't yours but I thought it was.

My MY9 reception since my last post has improved to an almost solid 85% and an apparently quite solid 84% without my doing anything. I had ch 9 on for quite a while (watching Doug) and there were no glitches.

So either it's a weather / atmospheric thing, or perhaps MY9 had a bit of a problem earlier. I'll leave things the way they are for now and check it out tomorrow. Maybe I won't need to tilt the antenna.

I should go check out that RS preamp thing as well. That could be a simple fix.

My MY9 reception since my last post has improved to an almost solid 85% and an apparently quite solid 84% without my doing anything. I had ch 9 on for quite a while (watching Doug) and there were no glitches.

So either it's a weather / atmospheric thing, or perhaps MY9 had a bit of a problem earlier. I'll leave things the way they are for now and check it out tomorrow. Maybe I won't need to tilt the antenna.



imo wor9 raises the power for yankees games just like nbc, cbs does when they show a game, is their bread and butter.

My antenna's that weathered the storm. The highest up is a CM 4228 and the other 2 are GH6 models.

nice antennas. Len you must using a/b switch between your antennas? :D btw are you grounding your antennas don't see a ground wire in the pic

None of those look like the one I saw, which was a home-made job. Maybe it wasn't yours but I thought it was.

My MY9 reception since my last post has improved to an almost solid 85% and an apparently quite solid 84% without my doing anything. I had ch 9 on for quite a while (watching Doug) and there were no glitches.

So either it's a weather / atmospheric thing, or perhaps MY9 had a bit of a problem earlier. I'll leave things the way they are for now and check it out tomorrow. Maybe I won't need to tilt the antenna.

I should go check out that RS preamp thing as well. That could be a simple fix.

The 2 GH6 antennas are home made. I should know as I made them. I would have put them up higher but I have a thing about heights! The CM4228 was put up by a professional installer.

nice antennas. Len you must using a/b switch between your antennas? :D btw are you grounding your antennas don't see a ground wire in the pic

No A/B switch. The 2 GH6 antennas feed 2 PALDVRs on the first floor. The CM4228 is feeding a TV on the second floor.

While you could not see them in the picture the masts are grounded and the coax is grounded just before it enters the house.

Hello all,

Can someone recommend an OTA Antenna re-installer in Queens, New York or nearby location? Hurricane Irene rotated my OTA Antenna a bit so the signal is weak on most channels. Don't get me wrong, I am very grateful this is the only thing the hurricane impacted by me, but I miss my OTA TV!

As far as doing it myself, well, the antenna is attached to a 6 foot mast which is mounted to the chimney and I'm not a big fan of heights (OK, I'm afraid of heights). Even if I made it to the roof, which is unlikely, I would probably need a ladder to reach the antenna in order to rotate it and subsequently tighten its connection to the mast (it seems that it is now quite loose as even a light breeze now seems to move it).

Thanks for your recommendations.

Rich

Hello all, Can someone recommend an OTA Antenna re-installer in Queens, New York or nearby location?... Rich
You might try calling a home handyman type person for this job. Sounds like some tightening is needed and as long as you can tell him which way to point the thing, it's a simple fix that any handyman type guy could do. I dunno about Queens but here in central Jersey that home handyman business is quite popular and prevalent. Check online, newspapers, etc. to find one locally.

Just make sure he has appropriate insurance and isn't fly-by-night (in case he falls off your roof and decides to sue you).

My reception during the Yankee game last night was excellent. I noted that shortly before game time that the signal was a bit iffy, so I did tip my antenna up a bit (not very much, but upward maybe a foot to 2 feet). That did improve my reception just that little extra bit and reception from the start of the broadcast to the end of the game was excellent (virtually no glitches at all). So that was from 7:00 to 11:13 PM.

BUT

Literally 30 seconds to a minute after the game ended, I had bad glitches for a minute or two, then completely lost reception, then it came back but with glitches, then lost it again, ........

Long story short, by 10 - 15 minutes after the game ended, I had completely lost signal and it appeared that it was not going to come back.

Now, when that happened I decided to check signal strength on other channels. Channels 7, 11 and 13 appeared to be essentially unaffected. Channel 4 appeared to be about the same as MY9, which was largely zero signal with occasional bumps up to 81%, then back to zero, then up to 81 or maybe 83 (I need at least 84 to get reception), back to zero, and so on.

So it appears that maybe there is some sort of interference with UHF but not VHF. As I've noted before, it appears to be quite sporadic. I see no pattern, timewise, and it definitely happened last night literally at 11:13 or 11:14 PM. I'm guessing that it continued for probably a half hour to an hour or hours. I didn't monitor it last night but that's what I've seen before.

I did continue to watch ch 13 for at least a half hour (Charlie Rose) and reception of that was just fine.

So possibly it is some sort of interference (or other factor) that affects only UHF, ch 4 being at RF 28 and MY9 being at RF 38.

Could it possibly be a ham radio operator nearby?

Hey channelhunter,

Welcome to AVS Forum! I really like your username :)
Hello all,

Can someone recommend an OTA Antenna re-installer in Queens, New York or nearby location? Hurricane Irene rotated my OTA Antenna a bit so the signal is weak on most channels. Don't get me wrong, I am very grateful this is the only thing the hurricane impacted by me, but I miss my OTA TV!

As far as doing it myself, well, the antenna is attached to a 6 foot mast which is mounted to the chimney and I'm not a big fan of heights (OK, I'm afraid of heights). Even if I made it to the roof, which is unlikely, I would probably need a ladder to reach the antenna in order to rotate it and subsequently tighten its connection to the mast (it seems that it is now quite loose as even a light breeze now seems to move it).

Thanks for your recommendations.

Rich
Rich, you may want to contact a local company which cleans gutters, or a painter or roofer. All of these companies would require someone to go up on the roof. You may have to lend them some tools to use while they are up there, and you will have to supply any connectors, splitters, etc. needed.

A local guy will probably be glad to make a few extra bucks and your reception will be improved.

My reception during the Yankee game last night was e Channel 4 appeared to be about the same as MY9, which was largely zero signal with occasional bumps up to 81%, then back to zero, then up to 81 or maybe 83 (I need at least 84 to get reception), back to zero, and so on.


It sounds to me what you describe that your signal goes wildly from 83 to zero, that you got severe multipath, the only way that you can try to get rid off the multipath is by moving your antenna a few feet over or mounted higher. let me ask you did you get my9 with lots of trailing ghost (another image next to the first image) when my9 was analog?
I bet you did, to make story short I finally got rid of multipath I moved my antenna another 5 feet higher and got a 91xg which has much higher gain than my previous antenna. I doubt a preamp will do anything for you, uhf is much more prone to pixalate from any obstruction. vhf signal can travel around trees or buildings better than uhf can.

So possibly it is some sort of interference (or other factor) that affects only UHF, ch 4 being at RF 28 and MY9 being at RF 38.Could be tropo interference from RF38 in Baltimore. I lose a normally good RF26 due to a station about 100 miles away quite often at night when tropo conditions are favorable. Lot's of activity (http://www.dxinfocentre.com/tropo.html) in the northeast here lately.

I came across an interesting rant on HDTVExpert.com:

http://www.hdtvexpert.com/?p=1357

You might try calling a home handyman type person for this job. Sounds like some tightening is needed and as long as you can tell him which way to point the thing, it's a simple fix that any handyman type guy could do. I dunno about Queens but here in central Jersey that home handyman business is quite popular and prevalent. Check online, newspapers, etc. to find one locally.

Just make sure he has appropriate insurance and isn't fly-by-night (in case he falls off your roof and decides to sue you).
Thanks T-Max... that's a good idea.

I'll be sure to make sure he's insured!

Regards,
Rich

Hey channelhunter,

Welcome to AVS Forum! I really like your username :)

Rich, you may want to contact a local company which cleans gutters, or a painter or roofer. All of these companies would require someone to go up on the roof. You may have to lend them some tools to use while they are up there, and you will have to supply any connectors, splitters, etc. needed.

A local guy will probably be glad to make a few extra bucks and your reception will be improved.
Thanks Giacomo! T-Max suggested something similar. Will look some up.

Thanks again for your reply.

Regards,
Rcih

Could be tropo interference from RF38 in Baltimore. I lose a normally good RF26 due to a station about 100 miles away quite often at night when tropo conditions are favorable. Lot's of activity (http://www.dxinfocentre.com/tropo.html) in the northeast here lately.
Yea, I'm thinking it's some atmospheric thing myself. Either that or something like a ham radio guy that fires up only every so often -- assuming ham radio could cause what I'm seeing (which I don't know).

I do have maple treetops right in the way and less than 100 ft from the antenna, but that doesn't seem to be the cause here since they are always in the way and I don't always see whatever effect they would have. Like I said, I had solid reception for over 4 hrs, then virtually no reception at all. And there was no wind, so those leaves weren't moving. Or if they were moving (from a breeze), they weren't moving any more after the 4 hours than they were during the 4 hours.

So it's gotta be either atmospheric or some kind of irregular interference from some sort of local transmitter like a ham radio guy.

That's what I'm thinking. Thanks for the input on your experience. Kinda confirms my thinking.

After having no power for 5 days ( since Sunday morning 1:00AM) the power came back on tonight around 9:30. So I have not been doing much on the internet or watching TV, but the Radio Shack VU-75 held up good.

After having no power for 5 days ( since Sunday morning 1:00AM) the power came back on tonight around 9:30. So I have not been doing much on the internet or watching TV, but the Radio Shack VU-75 held up good.

mike consider your lucky lots of people couldn't stay at their homes and went packin to the shelters. good to see your back. I lost my 91xg and can't find receipt to get a replacement. I doubt I put another one up. with another tropical storm on its way .

mike consider your lucky lots of people couldn't stay at their homes and went packin to the shelters. good to see your back. I lost my 91xg and can't find receipt to get a replacement. I doubt I put another one up. with another tropical storm on its way .

Yes, I feel sorry for people in Jersey. Also in upstate NY, particularly Middleburgh, where the town was flooded out, and many roads washed away. I have a summer home up there, fortunately high up on the mountain. Did not get flooded, but no power for 5 days also. My Radio Shack VU-190XR held up good also. In fact, my mom was still able to watch TV up there. She had a small generator to power a 32" LCD TV.

Looking back, the 5.8 earthquake on 23Aug at 1,53 or 54 pm, on 5th floor of 6story bldg in Brooklyn was something to remember, the bldg actually swayed 2-3degrees 3-4 times from side to side like tree in wind back and forth, then shaking about 10 seconds, then second time again the same swaying from side to side, really scary.
Hey -Trip in Va- I hope you and your family, God willing are allright, how near is your mom house to epicenter? you seem to be close

Yep, all is well here. I'm 70 or so miles from the epicenter. There were a couple of jolts then some rumbling. Some things fell, but no damage.

- Trip

Since about 11:15PM tonight almost all theNYC stations are not being received here in central NJ. Anyone else having problems?

WCBS2.1, WNBC4.1,2,3, WABC7.1,2,3, WPIX11.1,2,3, WNET13.1,2,3 are all off.

WWOR9.1,2, WNYE25.1,2, and WNYW5.2 are still ok.

Since about 11:15PM tonight almost all theNYC stations are not being received here in central NJ. Anyone else having problems?

WCBS2.1, WNBC4.1,2,3, WABC7.1,2,3, WPIX11.1,2,3, WNET13.1,2,3 are all off.

WWOR9.1,2, WNYE25.1,2, and WNYW5.2 are still ok.

Nope, it's you.

Yep, all is well here. I'm 70 or so miles from the epicenter. There were a couple of jolts then some rumbling. Some things fell, but no damage.

- Trip

But as long as the MASTER STATION ANTENNA is still up lol;):D

Trip. rabbitears.info is great site, just thinking of making it better experience for everyone that visits.
I have suggestion or a request, maybe there is a way you can a design a database that displays a given frequency, their location and info. lets say I want to look up channel 12 it will display all the channel 12 that are in easter region, or near my dma. this would be tremendous asset where there are other stations in that frequency. It can be useful for someone who wants to minimize co-channel or adjacent channel interference. I know the old fcc site would let you do this. ps. I know this would be asking alot. I bring this up mostly because there is a good chance that some of us ota viewers are experiencing somewhat co-channel or adjacent channel interference, being that spectrum is so congested. trip enjoy your holiday :)

Trip. rabbitears.info is great site, just thinking of making it better experience for everyone that visits.
I have suggestion or request, maybe there is a way you can a design a database that displays a given station, their location and info. lets say I want to look up channel 12 it will display all the channel 12 that are in easter region, or near my dma. this would be useful where there are other channels in that frequency. this would be real useful for someone who wants to minimize cochannel or adjacent channel interference. I know the old fcc site would let you do a search for a channel# it would show all given channel#, their location and info. cheers mate.

There's actually code that does this already in existence on RabbitEars. It's currently only available to administrators (me, mainly) because it doesn't really work quite right and I eventually got to an impasse where I couldn't make it any better but I decided it also wasn't really of release quality. (This is the part of the conversation where you can point out all the bugs in the TV Query, among other places.)

At some point I'll probably try to clean it up and make it at least presentable.

- Trip

trip what program do use for coding ? visual basic

All my coding is in PHP, using one of many Linux equivalents to Notepad (I use kwrite).

- Trip

NJTV appears to be down. Anyone else having *new* problems with it?

All my coding is in PHP, using one of many Linux equivalents to Notepad (I use kwrite).

- Trip

cool, btw i did see the database that shows you all the channels by region. txs

NJTV appears to be down. Anyone else having *new* problems with it?

Likely weather related

NJTV appears to be down. Anyone else having *new* problems with it?

i read your attachment about your problem with wnet 13, did you get this station when it was analog station? I ask this because if you did receive 13, then it is very likely multipath is playing havoc. from what i read most combo antennas are weak on ch13. raising your antenna another 5 feet could certainly help. I did for me. with njn. have you tried another tuner like the zenith dtt900, thats what i use, is one the most sensitive and very good at handling multipath.

i read your attachment about your problem with wnet 13, did you get this station when it was analog station? I ask this because if you did receive 13, then it is very likely multipath is playing havoc. from what i read most combo antennas are weak on ch13. raising your antenna another 5 feet could certainly help. I did for me. with njn. have you tried another tuner like the zenith dtt900, thats what i use, is one the most sensitive and very good at handling multipath.

Yes, multipath is a killer for ATSC but it helps if you know how to position your antenna in order to reduce the echo's destructive effect. Here's a suggestion:
To my knowledge, the adaptive equalizers in consumer-grade tuners start reducing echoes at a delay of one symbol period, around 1 microsecond or 30 meters. There is no echo elimination for shorter delays. So look at an imaginary sphere, app 30m in radius, around your antenna for an object that might be the echo reflector and then move your ch 13 antenna in 15" (shorter for UHF) increments in some directions relative to suspected echo generator. Hopefully you'll find a sweet spot.

I came across an interesting rant on HDTVExpert.com:

http://www.hdtvexpert.com/?p=1357

I agree that the FCC has become a joke, but that's really not the FCC's fault - - it's Congress' fault.

As for the spectrum fight over the frequencies used for wireless microphones, while I agree with the audio industry, I go to plenty of concerts and performances and I haven't heard any interference yet caused by the new devices. So the fears may have been overblown. (Or maybe there just aren't that many interfering devices as yet.)

As for taking away over the air frequencies and making some TV stations relocate so that they auction off the frequencies for other uses, so what? A very small percentage of Americans get their signal over the air. And even if they do, they'll still get it, but their stations might show up on a different channel.

People are spending more and more time on digital devices and if that's where the spectrum is needed, then why shouldn't it be allocated there? And Uncle Sam makes some nice money on the deal, which we desperately need.

The only caveat is that since the OTA stations just went through the conversion to digital, they should get a 100% tax break for any costs relating to moving their signals again.

As for taking away over the air frequencies and making some TV stations relocate so that they auction off the frequencies for other uses, so what? A very small percentage of Americans get their signal over the air. And even if they do, they'll still get it, but their stations might show up on a different channel.
Maybe it would be helpful to prospective OTA users if they rationalized the VHF band completely and had all TV broadcasts on the UHF band. My UHF only roof antenna is very unobtrusive compared to a combo VHF/UHF antenna. Only problem is I can't pull in the few NY area hi-VHF channels (ABC, WPIX, PBS-13) with a UHF only antenna from 49 air miles east of the ESB.

If I could pull in all the major NY area stations with one single UHF antenna- OTA would be a big hit in my house. But a ugly VHF/UHF combo antenna just won't cut it with the boss.... so I'm UHF only :o

Maybe it would be helpful to prospective OTA users if they rationalized the VHF band completely and had all TV broadcasts on the UHF band. My UHF only roof antenna is very unobtrusive compared to a combo VHF/UHF antenna. Only problem is I can't pull in the few NY area hi-VHF channels (ABC, WPIX, PBS-13) with a UHF only antenna from 49 air miles east of the ESB.

If I could pull in all the major NY area stations with one single UHF antenna- OTA would be a big hit in my house. But a ugly VHF/UHF combo antenna just won't cut it with the boss.... so I'm UHF only :o

how about the letting the boss know vhf channels exist and grabbing a high vhf antenna like antennacraft y5-7-13 http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?mc=03&p=Y5-7-13&d=AntennaCraft-Y5713-HighbandBroadband-VHF-HD-Yagi-TV-Antenna-for-Channels-713-(Y5713)&c=TV%20Antennas&sku=716079000987

It was inevitable that CBS 2-1 some already CBS 2-2 would go for sub, NBC espeiacially on Sunday morning when people still go to church, beach or picnic with less wievers morning than evening, advertisers can argue to pay less $ to CBS-1 than to NBC-1 whose shows are shown on 4-2 PrimeTime suplement to ad revenues of morning shows.

Now with sub on CBS 2-1 is more competitive with others if they show rerun of morning shows on sub Primetime, adding to it specials like 60min.etc

how about the letting the boss know vhf channels exist and grabbing a high vhf antenna like antennacraft y5-7-13 http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?mc=03&p=Y5-7-13&d=AntennaCraft-Y5713-HighbandBroadband-VHF-HD-Yagi-TV-Antenna-for-Channels-713-(Y5713)&c=TV%20Antennas&sku=716079000987
She watches cable and Dishnet/youtube feeds mostly on a 26" set in the bedroom- unfortunately she's not concerned with the difference between Cablevision's sub-par bitstarved/compressed HD feed and the much better feed I get on my 47" LED TV via OTA on the UHF (CBS, NBC, FOX, My9, etc) channels.

I'd love to add a hi-VHF antenna to my current Antennas Direct 91XG- but the VHF antennas are just an eyesore that will cause grief with the boss and the neighbors alike.

You should have seen the rubberneckers on my street driving by when I was erecting my roof antenna... I thought I was going to cause a car accident. One car actually slowed down to watch long enough that I heard someone in the car say "is that an antenna?" like it was something illegal:rolleyes:.
Meanwhile when our cable went out for a day and a half from hurricane Irene last week... we still had TV.

If they only went to all UHF... one small antenna would do it all!

She watches cable and Dishnet/youtube feeds mostly on a 26" set in the bedroom- unfortunately she's not concerned with the difference between Cablevision's sub-par bitstarved/compressed HD feed and the much better feed I get on my 47" LED TV via OTA on the UHF (CBS, NBC, FOX, My9, etc) channels.

I'd love to add a hi-VHF antenna to my current Antennas Direct 91XG- but the VHF antennas are just an eyesore that will cause grief with the boss and the neighbors alike.

You should have seen the rubberneckers on my street driving by when I was erecting my roof antenna... I thought I was going to cause a car accident. One car actually slowed down to watch long enough that I heard someone in the car say "is that an antenna" :rolleyes:. Meanwhile when our cable went out for a day and a half from hurricane Irene last week... I still had TV.

If they only went to all UHF... one antenna would do it all!

the 91xg has descent vfh reception i can get wtnh ch8 from new haven ct most of the time, is 65 miles from me. i get all vhf out nyc with it. but I'm only 6 miles from esb, what suprise is that 91xg can pick up low vhf, I get wkob retrotv with it. I also have winegard ya 1713 that never had put up on roof. don't take this the wrong way but you got lots snobbish folks where you live :eek:

the 91xg has descent vfh reception i can get wtnh ch8 from new haven ct most of the time, is 65 miles from me. i get all vhf out nyc with it. but I'm only 6 miles from esb,
No doubt the 91XG can pull in hi-VHF, but according to RabbitEars.info the NYC Hi-VHF stations push out a pitiful 7.5-26.9Kw ERP before the combiner so pretty much cut those figures in half for real worl ERP after the combiner so you're left with maybe 4-12Kw ERP for those Hi-VHF stations. That's pretty hard to pull in from 49 air miles away with a "UHF" antenna.

Compare those paltry figures to the major network UHF stations transmitting from ESB at 220-426Kw before the combiner or FOX blasting out at 990Kw from it's own antenna (no combiner) :eek:

don't take this the wrong way but you got lots snobbish folks where you live :eek:
Yeah, I agree... but that's what happens when you pay $9k property taxes for a 1/5 acre property.

She watches cable and Dishnet/youtube feeds mostly on a 26" set in the bedroom- unfortunately she's not concerned with the difference between Cablevision's sub-par bitstarved/compressed HD feed and the much better feed I get on my 47" LED TV via OTA on the UHF (CBS, NBC, FOX, My9, etc) channels.

I'd love to add a hi-VHF antenna to my current Antennas Direct 91XG- but the VHF antennas are just an eyesore that will cause grief with the boss and the neighbors alike.

You should have seen the rubberneckers on my street driving by when I was erecting my roof antenna... I thought I was going to cause a car accident. One car actually slowed down to watch long enough that I heard someone in the car say "is that an antenna?" like it was something illegal:rolleyes:.
Meanwhile when our cable went out for a day and a half from hurricane Irene last week... we still had TV.

If they only went to all UHF... one small antenna would do it all!

my uhf/vhf combo is pretty compact, probably just a tad bigger than those ugly looking Directv oval dishes with 6 LNB's attached to it. and it stands vertically, not horizontally. its mostly hidden by the chimney depending where you are standing.

http://i.minus.com/jnkH14.jpg (http://min.us/lnkH14)

my uhf/vhf combo is pretty compact, probably just a tad bigger than those ugly looking Directv oval dishes with 6 LNB's attached to it. and it stands vertically, not horizontally. its mostly hidden by the chimney depending where you are standing.


aero, i have no doubt you can probably get more stations that you're gettng now, if you got a tv rotor for your rig, you live in area with 200" agl which aids in tv reception. :)

Maybe it would be helpful to prospective OTA users if they rationalized the VHF band completely and had all TV broadcasts on the UHF band. My UHF only roof antenna is very unobtrusive compared to a combo VHF/UHF antenna. Only problem is I can't pull in the few NY area hi-VHF channels (ABC, WPIX, PBS-13) with a UHF only antenna from 49 air miles east of the ESB.

If I could pull in all the major NY area stations with one single UHF antenna- OTA would be a big hit in my house. But a ugly VHF/UHF combo antenna just won't cut it with the boss.... so I'm UHF only :o

It would have been so much better for all of us if they made OTA 100% UHF! It was the keep it simple stupid principle that was forgotten by the pencil pushers in Washington! Just think how much nicer it would be if we only needed UHF antennas. Let give away the VHF band and move everything to UHF NOW!

aero, i have no doubt you can probably get more stations that you're gettng now, if you got a tv rotor for your rig, you live in area with 200" agl which aids in tv reception. :)

you're probably right, but that wouldnt work with the TV workflow in my house. I have 3 tivos that wouldn't make a rotor useful. not counting that it can interfere with recordings, also the whole guided setup and picking the right zip code for the new channels would be a big mess.

besides, the other station that i could pick up (conn and Philly) are identical the NY nationals. i dont care about their local stuff.

Still No news on CBS sub-station. Anyone find this strange? We are now in 3rd quarter. Station was supposed to be in 3rd quarter

Still No news on CBS sub-station. Anyone find this strange? We are now in 4th quarter. Station was supposed to be in 3rd quarter

4th quarter of the year starts october 1

It would have been so much better for all of us if they made OTA 100% UHF! It was the keep it simple stupid principle that was forgotten by the pencil pushers in Washington! Just think how much nicer it would be if we only needed UHF antennas. Let give away the VHF band and move everything to UHF NOW!

I would agree for the most part, but vhf is much more easier to receive it travels further vhf also can go thru walls or obstruction while uhf does not.

you're probably right, but that wouldnt work with the TV workflow in my house. I have 3 tivos that wouldn't make a rotor useful. not counting that it can interfere with recordings, also the whole guided setup and picking the right zip code for the new channels would be a big mess.

besides, the other station that i could pick up (conn and Philly) are identical the NY nationals. i dont care about their local stuff.

yeah, your probably right. you would only gain, a couple of more pbs channels

I would agree for the most part, but vhf is much more easier to receive it travels further vhf also can go thru walls or obstruction while uhf does not.

yeah, your probably right. you would only gain, a couple of more pbs channels

VHF travels farther but UHF penetrates walls which is why cell phone companies want more UHF bandwith

VHF travels farther but UHF penetrates walls which is why cell phone companies want more UHF bandwith

Not exactly.

UHF TV signals tend to penetrate walls better because those stations often have up to a million watts of power pushing the signals. Most VHF TV stations are in the 10-30 kW category with only a relative handful over 100 kW. If the signals were of comparable power, the VHF signal would be superior for building penetration.

Wireless companies want the UHF band because they can still use relatively compact antennas within the portable device.

Free-space path loss is lesser at VHF frequencies than at UHF, that's one of the advantages VHF stations were thought to have going into the transition. VHF also diffracts more easily into mountainous terrain and is less affected by trees and foliage. Of course, we've all discovered the downsides of VHF in the last two years....

4th quarter of the year starts october 1

yep = real close:D

The point you choose to ignore is no more info from CBS

yep = real close:D

The point you choose to ignore is no more info from CBS

im not ignoring it, im just not obsessed over it

Not exactly.

UHF TV signals tend to penetrate walls better because those stations often have up to a million watts of power pushing the signals. Most VHF TV stations are in the 10-30 kW category with only a relative handful over 100 kW. If the signals were of comparable power, the VHF signal would be superior for building penetration.

Wireless companies want the UHF band because they can still use relatively compact antennas within the portable device.

Free-space path loss is lesser at VHF frequencies than at UHF, that's one of the advantages VHF stations were thought to have going into the transition. VHF also diffracts more easily into mountainous terrain and is less affected by trees and foliage. Of course, we've all discovered the downsides of VHF in the last two years....

My point is why do we need both? We should have gone with one or the other and since there is not much room on VHF for all the UHF stations it makes sense to move the few VHF stations to UHF and free up VHF for other use. My experience 30 miles out and in the hills is that I get UHF far better than VHF. 11.1 and 13.1 are problems. 8.1 and 7.1 are OK. I get 2.1, 4.1, 5.1, 9.1, 31.1, 41.1, 47.1, 50.1, 63.1 just great.

My point is why do we need both? We should have gone with one or the other and since there is not much room on VHF for all the UHF stations it makes sense to move the few VHF stations to UHF and free up VHF for other use. My experience 30 miles out and in the hills is that I get UHF far better than VHF. 11.1 and 13.1 are problems. 8.1 and 7.1 are OK. I get 2.1, 4.1, 5.1, 9.1, 31.1, 41.1, 47.1, 50.1, 63.1 just great.

Len I agree i wish all the stations would be on uhf, fcc screwed up by selling off the upper uhf band. should off sold vhf instead. why vhf is troublesome for most of us, if the vhf spectrum was alotted more power like 1000 kw like analog, this would be a moot point.

Anyone else besides me see it disappear all weekend? I still got 50.1 but none of my antennas could receive 58.1 (8.1). I did not check today yet.

Anyone else besides me see it disappear all weekend? I still got 50.1 but none of my antennas could receive 58.1 (8.1). I did not check today yet.


I have Sat afternoon/evening recordings of 58.1 on my DVR, but early Sun (2am) and Sun afternoon recordings are blanks. Nothing when I tuned the tv to 58.1 as well. Who knows? Quite a while for a channel to putting out dead air.

Anyone else besides me see it disappear all weekend? I still got 50.1 but none of my antennas could receive 58.1 (8.1). I did not check today yet.
I don't know about anytime other than right now, but it's fine at the moment (11:04 AM) and at it's usual strength for me (98%).

My DVR recording this morning on Ch 7.1 from 1:54 AM to 2:06 AM came up with the dreaded 'no signal' message along with the frozen last image from Grey's Anatomy at the time the signal was lost. Given that image, I could pretty much peg the exact moment I lost signal if I were to watch that episode online if it's available.

I had very good reception (91-92%) from 11:40 PM to the last time I checked at approximately 12:15 AM. And this morning's reception was fine @ a solid 88-89%.

Last night's schedule was pushed back a half hour due to a 9/11 special after the 11:00 news. So Grey's Anatomy started at midnight instead of 11:35 PM as per normal. Which meant that Da Vinci's Inquest would be starting at 2:00 AM (after the 2nd episode of Grey's Anatomy). So I set my recorder to start at I:54 AM.

It's clear from the frozen image that once I lost reception at that point, I never got it back during the entire recording time. So I'm assuming that either ABC was off the air all that time or whatever condition caused me to lose reception continued to completely shut me out for that entire time.

This is not a 'glitch' situation.

Anybody else see this or know anything?

I have Sat afternoon/evening recordings of 58.1 on my DVR, but early Sun (2am) and Sun afternoon recordings are blanks. Nothing when I tuned the tv to 58.1 as well. Who knows? Quite a while for a channel to putting out dead air.

The exact same thing happened to my recordings! I am also only seeing about 12 hours of program scheduling for 58.1.

OK if you're reading this subforum, you know that new NYC channels and subchannels show quite a bit of retro TV.

While flipping around, caught the end of a Three Stooges where the boys were setting up a new TV, and assembling and installing a rooftop antenna.

Later found it was The Three Stooges "Goof on the Roof" (1953). It was appropriately broadcast on Antenna TV.

If some feel the need to commiserate, it can be seen at

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xy27n_three-stooges-goof-on-the-roof_shortfilms

The TV/antenna stuff starts about ~6:36 on.

Hi there -- I live in Brooklyn and just went OTA. No more cable! It's exciting but I have an issue getting FOX in HD.

My setup might be a little odd. I'm using my old Time Warner coax line input to my HDTV's Cable input.

I did an automatic channel sweep a couple of times, but it just can't pick up FOX in HD. SD is no issue. It picks up all the standard HD/SD stations like ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, NY1, etc and then some...YES, SNY, TBS and more.

I'm thinking of picking up a Digital Antenna, but just wanted to come here and ask if this issue might be resolved without one first.

Thanks!

"AloEuro
Senior Member


Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 272 It was inevitable that CBS 2-1 some already CBS 2-2 would go for sub, NBC espeiacially on Sunday morning when people still go to church, beach or picnic with less wievers morning than evening, advertisers can argue to pay less $ to CBS-1 than to NBC-1 whose shows are shown on 4-2 PrimeTime suplement to ad revenues of morning shows.

Now with sub on CBS 2-1 is more competitive with others if they show rerun of morning shows on sub Primetime, adding to it specials like 60min.etc "







No disrespect intended but...huh?

Hi there -- I live in Brooklyn and just went OTA. No more cable! It's exciting but I have an issue getting FOX in HD.

My setup might be a little odd. I'm using my old Time Warner coax line input to my HDTV's Cable input.

I did an automatic channel sweep a couple of times, but it just can't pick up FOX in HD. SD is no issue. It picks up all the standard HD/SD stations like ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, NY1, etc and then some...YES, SNY, TBS and more.

I'm thinking of picking up a Digital Antenna, but just wanted to come here and ask if this issue might be resolved without one first.

Thanks!

If you're picking up Yes, SNY TBS & "More" (thank you Kai Winding), your still getting cable service. Those stations do not broadcast over the air.

Hi there -- I live in Brooklyn and just went OTA. No more cable! It's exciting but I have an issue getting FOX in HD.

My setup might be a little odd. I'm using my old Time Warner coax line input to my HDTV's Cable input.

I did an automatic channel sweep a couple of times, but it just can't pick up FOX in HD. SD is no issue. It picks up all the standard HD/SD stations like ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, NY1, etc and then some...YES, SNY, TBS and more.

I'm thinking of picking up a Digital Antenna, but just wanted to come here and ask if this issue might be resolved without one first.

Thanks!

You'll need to post in the Time-Warner thread, as you're receiving ClearQAM cable signals and not over the air signals.

- Trip

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Does anyone know if this translator CH. 22 WCBS 2-1 ever was turned on ?
According to several databases, it has, but I cant see it on my analyzer at all. I think it was supposed to be located on Channel 21 WLIW's tower and I can get WLIW very good.
I lost WCBS channel 2 from NY after the switch because of co channel from WFSB in Hartford and was hoping that this would resolve my problem.
Thanks in advance for any help.

you're probably right, but that wouldnt work with the TV workflow in my house. I have 3 tivos that wouldn't make a rotor useful. not counting that it can interfere with recordings, also the whole guided setup and picking the right zip code for the new channels would be a big mess.

besides, the other station that i could pick up (conn and Philly) are identical the NY nationals. i dont care about their local stuff.

you be picking up wliw ch21 which has 2 other subs world and create that you don't get with 13 or njtv. you said you use 3 tivos, what on earth is so great about ota tv, that you use 3 tivos to record. maybe is me but, I find ota channels pretty boring if pbs is not showing nature or nova shows.

you be picking up wliw ch21 which has 2 other subs world and create that you don't get with 13 or njtv. you said you use 3 tivos, what on earth is so great about ota tv, that you use 3 tivos to record. maybe is me but, I find ota channels pretty boring if pbs is not showing nature or nova shows.

I have 3 tivos because I had them before I went OTA only a year ago. I've had these for 3+ years when I had fios. I've been using TiVo since 2002, from directiv, cable vision to fios. My wife has been using them as long as me before we moved in together years ago. They were all paid for with lifetime and paid themselves over and over when I paid for tv service because I didn't have to pay the ridiculous set top box fee.

Tivos simply just work. Back in the day of cable CO's dvr simply sucked. Missed recordings, dumb recordings and you still can't transfer recordings to a pc for editing and archiving. Also, TiVo has been doing internet recording management, multiple room viewing and pc video transfers and streaming for years, something unheard of just a few years ago. Don't forget Netflix and other services that an OTA only house uses.

It is just you, my wife and I watch lots of comedies, she watches soaps, I like to watch news and sports. With a new baby, and the fact that we never watched anything live anyway, 3 tivos are great. Replay that touchdown pass, pause live tv to go to the bathroom or Pause something downstairs and resume it in the bedroom, you can't beat that workflow.

I'm actually going to sell one of my older TiVo hds and recoup exactly my original cost from 4 years ago and buy a new TiVo premiere to take advantage of the new premiere to premiere features.

Did I really have to explain a dvr to you? ;)

im not ignoring it, im just not obsessed over it
Nothing wrong with obsession. It gave us the automobile, planes, miracle drugs, and many other things.:D

Hi all, need advice on an indoor antenna, my first attempt at getting OTA signals. My apartment faces South, directly across from the Port Authority on 41st street. I'm 11 floors up.

Thanks for any help!:D

Few people have 'wall to wall' HD TV which requires maximum output by the stations in order for you to receive good, solid ,undistorted images of the broadcast on the big screen, however, majority of OTA even paid TV still have boxes in range of 20 to 32 inches and then the subs are welcomed ( my time is up)

Hi all, need advice on an indoor antenna, my first attempt at getting OTA signals. My apartment faces South, directly across from the Port Authority on 41st street. I'm 11 floors up.

Thanks for any help!:D

Patience, next year broadcasters will (hopefully) be moving their transmitters south to 1 WTC and all you will need is a simple loop and rabbit ears (which should also work for you even now, being that close to the ESB transmitters). Something as simple as a RCA111 for $10 will probably work, although you may need to move it around a bit to find the "sweet spot" (near a window is probably a good bet).

Moving to 1WTC is so highly speculative - not much hope in my opinion.

Although the Durst Organization will now be involved with the leasing of space, and with the company's background in broadcast transmission (4TS), decisions will be made based on stations' finances. With the economy in its current shape, I don't see much of a possibility for the move.

although i dont live in the New York/New Jersey area...i would like to add on the fact that some NYC stations do have applications on their FCC database to move back to Lower Manhattan from what im seeing; mainly stations like WCBS, WPIX, WNBC, and WABC (just to name a few)...but i did notice that both WNYW & WWOR are staying on the Empire State Building (i wonder why)

as for the other main stations in the area, unless they are saving up some cash for the move to improve their "footprint" in the NYC Market, dont really see why they should NOT move...

Those applications are placeholders to protect their 1WTC coverage areas in case they want to use them in the future. I'm uncertain why Fox chose not to do the same with its stations, but that is the purpose of those applications.

As for why not to move? It's expensive to build and for what might be seen to the networks with their 95% cable/satellite penetration as marginal benefit.

- Trip

well i kinda figured building a new master antenna would cost the broadcasters 10's of thousands of dollars (of not more than that), since given the fact that the original master analog and digital antenna in the old WTC north tower was rather costly to construct

Tens of millions, I would imagine. Plus the cost of installing new transmitters, STL gear, generators/redundant power, etc.

- Trip

The original antenna mast on 1WTC was paid for and owned by the Port Authority. The present antenna mast at 4TS is owned by Durst and aperture is leased. So expect the same IF the stations move to the new 1WTC.
BUT as long as the prospect of channel repacking to 31 or lower is there, you cannot design an optimal, multichannel DTV antenna, on 1WTC.

Only problem is I can't pull in the few NY area hi-VHF channels (ABC, WPIX, PBS-13) with a UHF only antenna from 49 air miles east of the ESB.

If I could pull in all the major NY area stations with one single UHF antenna- OTA would be a big hit in my house. But a ugly VHF/UHF combo antenna just won't cut it with the boss.... so I'm UHF only :o
A VHF-hi/UHF Combo Antenna is not that much different appearance-wise from a UHF Antenna. Considering the antenna would be situated on a roof, nobody is really going to be staring at it. Unless it would be obstructing some awesome view, there is no reason you cannot erect it. If I were you, I wouldn't worry about the neighbors or some "boss", you're entitled to enjoy whatever you can legally upon your property. And, you are protected under federal law to install a TV antenna that permits you to receive all available TV channels.

A VHF-hi/UHF Combo Antenna is not that much different appearance-wise from a UHF Antenna. Considering the antenna would be situated on a roof, nobody is really going to be staring at it. Unless it would be obstructing some awesome view, there is no reason you cannot erect it. If I were you, I wouldn't worry about the neighbors or some "boss", you're entitled to enjoy whatever you can legally upon your property. And, you are protected under federal law to install a TV antenna that permits you to receive all available TV channels.

gio he is being humorous by saying "boss" he means his significant other. :)

gio he is being humorous by saying "boss" he means his significant other. :)

Usually translates to "She who shall be obeyed....or else."

Looks like Fox 5 WNYW is putting their giant station logo along with time/temperature over syndicated HD content now. :(

No logo on now!

New show on and the logo, time and temperature have appeared.

gio he is being humorous by saying "boss" he means his significant other. :)

Usually translates to "She who shall be obeyed....or else."

.... my 'boss' at work has a 250'+ tower on the roof of our building with assorted VHF paging, link and radio broadcasting antennas on it.

The 'boss' at home will have none of that- lucky she gave me a wavier for the 91XG UHF antenna on a 20' mast :D

New show on and the logo, time and temperature have appeared.


Not a fan :(

It's huge and obtrusive. Previously, it only appeared on non-HD syndicated content, but, it appears they now have the ability to place it on HD content as well.

Usually translates to "She who shall be obeyed....or else."
Actually, it's "She who must be obeyed"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumpole_of_the_Bailey

aka SWMBO

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/SWMBO

delivered with the appropriate solemn stare off into the abyss

Patience, next year broadcasters will (hopefully) be moving their transmitters south to 1 WTC and all you will need is a simple loop and rabbit ears (which should also work for you even now, being that close to the ESB transmitters). Something as simple as a RCA111 for $10 will probably work, although you may need to move it around a bit to find the "sweet spot" (near a window is probably a good bet).Thanks for the advice fredd! I ended up getting a $40 Terk amplified indoor antenna at B&H, they have 30-day return policy so I figured I had nothing to lose by trying. I was surprised to find I get a great signal on 2, 4, 5, 7 & 11, along with great signals for ion and the two spanish channels. 13 came through a little choppy but I think I can get it perfect-especially since I can see their building from my window, lol. Overall I'm really happy wth it.

My DVR recording this morning on Ch 7.1 from 1:54 AM to 2:06 AM came up with the dreaded 'no signal' message .... I had very good reception (91-92%) from 11:40 PM to the last time I checked at approximately 12:15 AM. And this morning's reception was fine @ a solid 88-89%....Anybody else see this or know anything?
I had the same thing happen last night (early this morning). I was watching at the time and ch 7 went out at 12:49 AM. Prior to that I had solid reception at 91-92% for at least the prior 50 minutes. And this morning it's back at a solid 89-90%

This situation continued until at least 2:45 AM when my programmed recording ended.

Because I was awake at the time I lost ch 7 reception, I checked my other channels. I had MY9 and ch 4 (both UHF) and no 7,11,13 (all VHF). Channels 11 and 13 showed up on my meter but were weakened to the point of no actual reception. Channel 7 basically didn't register on my meter.

Although I had both 4 and 9, they were at a somewhat reduced strength. So it does appear that all my NYC stations were affected, with the VHF stations being impacted more than the UHF stations and the low VHF taking more of a hit than the higher VHF.

Can anyone else out there confirm that ch 7 (or 11 & 13) were operating normally from 12:49 AM to 2:45 AM?

Or have anything to add about maybe why I'm seeing this?

Thanks

As has been posted, work in being done on the ESB's mast overnight.

This work may continue until the end of the year.

I had the same thing happen last night (early this morning). I was watching at the time and ch 7 went out at 12:49 AM. Prior to that I had solid reception at 91-92% for at least the prior 50 minutes. And this morning it's back at a solid 89-90%

This situation continued until at least 2:45 AM when my programmed recording ended.

Because I was awake at the time I lost ch 7 reception, I checked my other channels. I had MY9 and ch 4 (both UHF) and no 7,11,13 (all VHF). Channels 11 and 13 showed up on my meter but were weakened to the point of no actual reception. Channel 7 basically didn't register on my meter.

Although I had both 4 and 9, they were at a somewhat reduced strength. So it does appear that all my NYC stations were affected, with the VHF stations being impacted more than the UHF stations and the low VHF taking more of a hit than the higher VHF.

Can anyone else out there confirm that ch 7 (or 11 & 13) were operating normally from 12:49 AM to 2:45 AM?

Or have anything to add about maybe why I'm seeing this?

Thanks


7 was fine last night at that time. i was channel surfing and i remember seeing the end of greys anatomy. its just you.

7 was fine last night at that time. i was channel surfing and i remember seeing the end of greys anatomy. its just you.


And anyone else who's reception goes below threshold when Empire changes antennas during overnight construction.

As has been posted, work in being done on the ESB's mast overnight.

This work may continue until the end of the year.

7 was fine last night at that time. i was channel surfing and i remember seeing the end of greys anatomy. its just you.
So which is it??

Actually, it could be both. It could be that they are working on things and thus have reduced power somewhat. That would affect me but perhaps not folks closer. As I've said many times before, I'm really on the edge of NYC reception and it doesn't take much for me to lose some of it. Plus, I did note last night that all NYC stations (@ ESB) seemed to be somewhat adversely affected, some more than others.

In any event, thanks much for the feedback guys.

Anybody have an email for ch 7 engineering?

And anyone else who's reception goes below threshold when Empire changes antennas during overnight construction.
Thanks for your feedback (which I missed cuz I was posting my last)

So you're saying that they are definitely changing antennas overnight? That would pretty much explain everything I'm seeing.

Perhaps I need to email the ESB folks about this?

R.F. - What I meant was that I kind of was giving 'advice' to CBS to use their sub in similar fashion as NBC-1 does with -2 in particular on Sundays, the subs on wpix11 have different status than subs on NBC or ABC

7 was fine last night at that time. i was channel surfing and i remember seeing the end of greys anatomy. its just you.
Also (I should have noticed before), when you say you saw the end of Grey's, you would have had to been watching either at 12:33 AM or 1:33 AM. ABC runs two episodes of Grey's back-to-back starting at 11:35 PM Sunday night.

My ABC reception during the end of the 1st Grey's episode @ 12:33 AM was fine. And it continued to be fine into the 2nd episode and up to 12:49 AM, when it suddenly dropped out to virtually nil on my signal meter.

So if you weren't surfing at 1:33 AM, your observation isn't relevant to my situation.

If they are indeed switching to a different antenna on the ESB on Sunday nights, then you and I could both be right. You could see no interruption in your reception, and I could totally lose my reception.

So if that's the case, then it's not really "just me."

Then again, it is "just me" if only relative to you and others who are closer and thus continue to get reception despite it being reduced.

As 2VW astutely observed, it could well be me "And anyone else who's reception goes below threshold when Empire changes antennas during overnight construction."

So, were you surfing at 1:33 AM or 12:33 AM?

I can confirm that they are doing tower work late at night that causes a 10-15 second drop when they switch from the main antenna to the backup (whether that is lower on Empire or on 4TS, I don't know). There's a matching drop before 5AM when they switch back from the backup to the main antenna.

- Trip

I can confirm that they are doing tower work late at night that causes a 10-15 second drop when they switch from the main antenna to the backup (whether that is lower on Empire or on 4TS, I don't know). There's a matching drop before 5AM when they switch back from the backup to the main antenna.

- Trip
Thanks Trip. I'd say that pretty much settles the question. Assuming that's what I'm seeing, it's been the last 2 weeks that I've seen it. From a quick look @ my records it looks like the prior 4 weeks were fine. Then the 2 weeks prior to those 4 weeks had iffy reception and I got about half or less of my one-hour episode recording.

Last night's episode was the last episode and I won't be needing any further episodes for another 9 weeks or so when I want to record an episode that I previously missed. Hopefully, I'll get that one and the subsequent ones that I also missed for whatever reason.

Are they doing this work every night or just Sunday nights? Just curious.

BTW, my MY9 reception lately has been very good. Indeed, I even had pretty good MY9 reception even after they switched to the other antenna this morning.

So it seems that the work they are doing might be resulting in better MY9 reception for me.

I don't know that it's every night but it's not just Sunday nights either.

- Trip

.... So it seems that the work they are doing might be resulting in better MY9 reception for me.
Getting ready to watch the NY Giants on MY9 and my reception is very good at a solid 86-87%. I've not seen that kind of MY9 reception in a long time.

Channels 11 & 13 also seem improved, while ch 7 seems to have dropped off a bit @ 88%. But that could be my antenna position because I believe I need to be just a tad more to the left for optimal ch 7 reception.

Or it could be whatever work they seem to be doing @ the ESB. Channel 7 is typically a solid 91-92%, and was last night at this same antenna position.

In any event, I'm very happy with what appears to be improved MY9 reception.

I still cannot get WNYW-FOX 5.1 @ RF 44. That shows up on my meter as either zero or 81%, and mostly zero. I need 80 to lock a station and at least 83 for any kind of reception at all and at least 84% for any kind of quasi-decent reception. Solid 85% and above gives perfect reception and solid 84-85 gives solid reception with occasional glitches.

7 was fine last night at that time. i was channel surfing and i remember seeing the end of greys anatomy. its just you.

Something is wrong with 7. I know because my mom said she had trouble watching dancing with the stars. ;)

The PSIP data is gone. HDHomeRun software can pick out the individual streams, but media center and TSReader can't pick up a thing.

Doesn't seem to affect the cable company from getting them though. They're either immune to this or are probably using a direct fiber feed.

Just watched and episode of "Without a trace" in HD on 31.1 (IONHD) and noticed a strong [over]sharpening effect during the whole show. Doesn't seem like a compression because there is not much resolution loss but this oversharpening effect just doesn't make sense.

Now they are showing "Criminal minds" and it suffers from the same.

Commercials don't exhibit this but they all seem to be SD.

I don't really watch it often but whenever I tune in I notice this oversharpening. It's not on any other channel I receive. I am in Brooklyn FWIW.

Can anyone explain this?

Looks like ABC 7 is back.

...Solid 85% and above gives perfect reception and solid 84-85 gives solid reception with occasional glitches.
I watched the entire game last night and I can't recall so much as one glitch the whole time, so it does seem that MY9 reception is much improved for me.

At the moment.

If it's improved for me, I assume it's improved for everyone else.

I have the Yankee game tonight (if they play) so we'll see how it is during this rainy weather.

If they play.

My antenna isn't toward NYC at the moment so I can't check it right now and I won't be turning it if the game is postponed.

...My antenna isn't toward NYC at the moment so I can't check it right now and I won't be turning it if the game is postponed.
It's now 1:58 PM and I did turn my antenna toward NYC and here are the current readings (all VERY good) -

- MY9 - solid 86%
- 11, 13, 4 - solid 87%
- 7 - solid 92%

I'd have to say that whatever work they're doin at the ESB is improving my reception.

Also, that maple tree I have in my NYC LOS is still fully leafed-out, so I guess I know that's not really any problem. The weather is very overcast and rainy but fairly warm. It's not actually raining anymore but was earlier and there's still a lot of moisture in the air.

I'll get a better feel for that tree's impact after the leaves go away.

It's now 1:58 PM and I did turn my antenna toward NYC and here are the current readings (all VERY good) -

- MY9 - solid 86%
- 11, 13, 4 - solid 87%
- 7 - solid 92%

I'd have to say that whatever work they're doin at the ESB is improving my reception.

Also, that maple tree I have in my NYC LOS is still fully leafed-out, so I guess I know that's not really any problem. The weather is very overcast and rainy but fairly warm. It's not actually raining anymore but was earlier and there's still a lot of moisture in the air.

I'll get a better feel for that tree's impact after the leaves go away.Don't get too excited as I am betting it is just tropo and your reception issues are still with you.

Don't get too excited as I am betting it is just tropo and your reception issues are still with you.
Could be, but tropo index is currently "NIL"

http://www.dxinfocentre.com/tropo.html

Could be, but tropo index is currently "NIL"

http://www.dxinfocentre.com/tropo.html
Not sure how accurate those indexes are. I'm sure they are only as good (and perhaps less accurate) as the weather service forecasts and we know how accurate they are.

The other day I've received 2nd invitation to get free cellphone/minutes the choice of 1 of 3 hardware Motorola - LG - Samsung.

I know it doesn't belong to this tread, but your opinion/recomendation which of the 3 is better I value more than Joe' wife $40 a month Samsung, Thank you, Alo

Not sure how accurate those indexes are. I'm sure they are only as good (and perhaps less accurate) as the weather service forecasts and we know how accurate they are.


The DXinfocentre tropo reports are based on actual communications taking place. They are very accurate.

Is the spire on that structure going to be a television mast? I read things that refer to it as a broadcast mast. If it is not true I would hope a new place for a taller structure would go up. Hopefully similar to the Tokyo Sky Tree. That beauty is 2080 feet tall. A true monument to television transmission service!

Is the spire on that structure going to be a television mast? I read things that refer to it as a broadcast mast. If it is not true I would hope a new place for a taller structure would go up. Hopefully similar to the Tokyo Sky Tree. That beauty is 2080 feet tall. A true monument to television transmission service!

with all the toll revenue they will collect from us. (bridges, tunnels) they'll have the funds to put a television array at freedom tower. :)

The DXinfocentre tropo reports are based on actual communications taking place. They are very accurate.

You believe what you want to believe. I do not find these any more accurate or reliable than weather forecasts. In fact not of any value for me at my location.

with all the toll revenue they will collect from us. (bridges, tunnels) they'll have the funds to put a television array at freedom tower. :)

Huh?

You believe what you want to believe. I do not find these any more accurate or reliable than weather forecasts. In fact not of any value for me at my location.
Weather forecasts? You need to stop livin in the 50's and get with the program. Weather forecasts these days are very accurate. It's not a matter of opinion, it's simply what it is.

Weather forecasts? You need to stop livin in the 50's and get with the program. Weather forecasts these days are very accurate. It's not a matter of opinion, it's simply what it is.We were supposed to have heavy rain Thursday and now they changed it to Friday.

Hurricane Irene forecasting was all messed up. There was supposed to be major flooding in lower Manhatten of epic proportions and instead it happened everywhere else.

Weather forecasting is an Art and NOT a science. They are right 99% of the time when they tell you what is happening right now. When they try to forecast what is happening 2-3 days from now they are wrong on the timing of rain, sun, wind etc. By the way most of the weather people forecast what is happening in NY City and get NJ weather wrong. Sunny in Morris county and raining in Monmouth county.

The weather forecasting is no better today than it was 100 years ago even with the satelites which only tell you what is happening now too. Not what is going to happen.

BTW, my MY9 reception during Tuesday night's game continued to be excellent and was also the same in the morning. I saw a couple of glitches during the game and maybe not more than the couple. So I'm still thinking that the work they're doing on the ESB is responsible for what appears to clearly be better MY9 reception for me.

Does anybody know exactly what work they are doin' on those late nites when they switch to the backup antenna? (Trip?)

I used to have a good email for one of the ch 5 engineers. Maybe I'll dig that out and give it a go and see if it still works (and he still works there). That was before the transition and before they switched things around after the transition (I think it was). Namely, they used to have 9.1 and 9.2 both at RF 38 and 5.1 and 5.2 at RF 44. When that was the deal, I got everything (5.1, 5.2, 9.1, 9.1). Then they switched things around and put 5.2 @ RF 38 and 9.2 @ RF 44. After they did that, I no longer got the RF 44 channels (5.1 and 9.2), and still don't.

You believe what you want to believe. I do not find these any more accurate or reliable than weather forecasts. In fact not of any value for me at my location.

I have TV reception from 16 states logged post analog shutdown. I find the DXinfocentre info quite useful. You may not. I don't like anchovies. Maybe you do.

I have TV reception from 16 states logged post analog shutdown. I find the DXinfocentre info quite useful. You may not. I don't like anchovies. Maybe you do.

everyone is has their opinion, dxinfo also factures in weather fronts and precipitation coming, i agree tropo map is 90% reliable for me.

with all the toll revenue they will collect from us. (bridges, tunnels) they'll have the funds to put a television array at freedom tower. :)

If we follow your logic,TV ad revenues then should go to maintain the bridges & tunnels.

Weather forecasts? You need to stop livin in the 50's and get with the program. Weather forecasts these days are very accurate. It's not a matter of opinion, it's simply what it is.

http://laacz.lv/f/img/weather_reporting_tool_.jpg

The Port Authority owned the analog TV mast on WTC1. They have the $$--as long as we pay the tolls

Why did you omit digital?

Still no CBS sub-station or any news? I am beginning to think it was a prank

Still no CBS sub-station or any news? I am beginning to think it was a prank

I posted an article a few pages back with an on air date and what it's going to have. What else do you want?

nyctveng, im not alluding that it was a wise idea to use the revenue from tolls for tv mast, what i'm saying is that tolls will cover all the expenses at wtc, hopefully, I don't like the idea, but like someone said before, silverstein insured the trade, for billions, (he made out like a bandit) this overrun budget should be coming from his pocket not the public. you know once the building is up, the city government is not going revert to what the tolls were prior. this city is good at one thing and one thing only, leaving you dead and broke. they being doing this to everyone since the english stole manhattan from the dutch :(

Why did you omit digital?

Because I believe that the small digital panel antenna that was added sometime before the attack 9/11 was paid for by the stations that shared it.

I posted an article a few pages back with an on air date and what it's going to have. What else do you want?

Can you copy any paste that post? I either missed it or it was old news.

It seems it was the latter. I totally missed your post. Sorry.

Oh Ok never mind I sifted thru your large amount of posts and did find the article. So late September? I guess they got a week to get this up and running.


Thanks for the info

There's no such thing as an "analog mast."

The buidlings - WTC and ESB own and provide masts to stations.
Stations pay rent to affix their antennas on those masts, analog or digital.
Additionaly, they rent space for their transmitters.

Can you copy any paste that post? I either missed it or it was old news.

It seems it was the latter. I totally missed your post. Sorry.

Oh Ok never mind I sifted thru your large amount of posts and did find the article. So late September? I guess they got a week to get this up and running.


Thanks for the info

strange. i lifted the article behind a paywall using google cache from one of those industry sitesand posted it in this thread. a mod had to delete it, i know im not going crazy. in fact it was a quote reply to Trip.

anyway here is an article that basically says this month:
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118042250

from what i remember from the article. its going to launch in NY at the end of this month or early october.

Can't wait for the re-treading of such questionable content!

strange. i lifted the article behind a paywall using google cache from one of those industry sitesand posted it in this thread. a mod had to delete it, i know im not going crazy. in fact it was a quote reply to Trip.

anyway here is an article that basically says this month:
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118042250

from what i remember from the article. its going to launch in NY at the end of this month or early october.
Hey thanks. Glad you have ways of getting things. Info about public TV, should not be payperview. imo

Can't wait for the re-treading of such questionable content!

Way to stay positive. :cool:

Maybe it will be the first really COOL :cool: Sub-station

strange. i lifted the article behind a paywall using google cache from one of those industry sitesand posted it in this thread. a mod had to delete it, i know im not going crazy.Wrong on at least one count.

You post referencing the CBS subchannel is still right where you made it: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=20862461&postcount=14485

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If this continues, those involved will lose the ability to participate at AVS. Permanently.

Just to let others know. HSN 39.5 stopped working on some boxes like Dishpal and others. When turning to the channel it would freeze in 3 seconds,but audio would still play. This has been going on for over a year. Even though when the channel first came out it was working just fine. I seen this before when the dishpal first came out. It happened on another channel. An e-mail campaign had the station fix the ENCODING issue on their end.

After a year of trying to email HSN and the station.

I am glad to report they fixed the Encoding Issue on their end and it is working normally.

I'm still waiting for the promised improvements since NJ Public TV was sold....

Just to let others know. HSN 39.5 stopped working on some boxes like Dishpal and others. When turning to the channel it would freeze in 3 seconds,but audio would still play. This has been going on for over a year. Even though when the channel first came out it was working just fine. I seen this before when the dishpal first came out. It happened on another channel. An e-mail campaign had the station fix the ENCODING issue on their end.

After a year of trying to email HSN and the station.

I am glad to report they fixed the Encoding Issue on their end and it is working normally.

couldn't care less for hsn, there is too many hsn stations allready 1 less i wouldn't sleep over.


I'm still waiting for the promised improvements since NJ Public TV was sold....

there is no njtv news program, took away a sub, I think we been had

couldn't care less for hsn, there is too many hsn stations allready 1 less i wouldn't sleep over.




there is no njtv news program, took away a sub, I think we been had
See the thing is I agree with you that HSN is worthless. My aunt likes to watch it. She can not get the one on channel 60. So she only gets 39.5.

I guess some like HSN. Maybe she learns about the new technology thru the annoying sales pitch?

Anyway I thought there might be others who also watch HSN and would want to know.

At least I am not talking about CBS new substation that is not here yet. So be thankful lol

I don't have access to any HSN channels where I am at. So I don't know that there are a lot of HSN channels on OTA. Sure there are infomercials running all the time hawking products but as to legit HSN on OTA I think a lot of people would like to have at least one station.

I have never bought a product from HSN but I know a lot of people have shopped HSN.

I don't have access to any HSN channels where I am at. So I don't know that there are a lot of HSN channels on OTA. Sure there are infomercials running all the time hawking products but as to legit HSN on OTA I think a lot of people would like to have at least one station.

I have never bought a product from HSN but I know a lot of people have shopped HSN.

Well where my aunt lives. She can get channel 39.5. Channel 60 is the only other HSN that I know of. The signal is not strong enough for us to get a steady lock.

I was e-mailing HSN and the channel 39.5 for over a year. I seen this before with one other station. It seems to be a problem with the ENCODED signal. Some boxes can not pick up certain codes. Or it causes freezing like we got.

It worked for 6 months when channel came on. Then locked (freeze) for over a year. They changed something in the signal encoding.

Anyway seems the one guy at the switch finally WOKE UP.

My aunt likes to watch. She gets to see the new TV's ect. Strange but it is like entertainment. I do not understand HSN for entertainment, but that is not my job to understand. As LEAD tech (lol) My job is to get the most channels as possible.:D

kb21 I get the opposite stations from you I can get 60.1 60.2 fine, both Hsn btw, I can't get 39 without breakup. sometimes is ok. also wlny tv55 i can get 45.1 some of time, but not all of the time. I think 60.2 and 39.5 are the same channel, i tried viewing both and theyre both the same. btw sorry if i confused anyone.

kb21 I get the opposite stations from you I can get 60.1 60.2 fine, both Hsn btw, I can't get 39 without breakup. sometimes is ok. also wlny tv55 i can get 45.1 some of time, but not all of the time. I think 60.2 and 39.5 are the same channel, i tried viewing both and theyre both the same. btw sorry if i confused anyone.

You would think that a channel like HSN. That makes a living selling stuff. Would make sure that Everyone can view their programing.

Apparently they did not care. Took over a year.

there is no njtv news program, took away a sub, I think we been had

When their news program, NJ Today, started up, it had very little original reporting. They're getting better, and are hiring more reporters, but if you appreciated NJN's reporting of local issues, then NJ Today is a far cry from what once was.

It's still early yet. Give it time....

My9 reception at the moment (8:42p) is very good. I've turned my antenna to NYC for the Yankee game. Looks like all the ESB antenna stations are improved:

- MY9: solid 86% with very occasional drops to 85
- ch 11: solid 87%
- ch 13: solid 87%
- ch 4: solid 87%
- ch 7: solid 91%

Anything 85% or above is solid reception. 84% gives more or less decent reception with some glitches, and anything below that is no good.

ch 5.1 is still coming in at 0-81% and I still can't lock it. My email address for the engineer there is still good and he advised that they had recently fixed some problems and that my reception should be improved, but it's same as always.

My9 reception at the moment (8:42p) is very good. I've turned my antenna to NYC for the Yankee game. Looks like all the ESB antenna stations are improved:

- MY9: solid 86% with very occasional drops to 85
- ch 11: solid 87%
- ch 13: solid 87%
- ch 4: solid 87%
- ch 7: solid 91%

Anything 85% or above is solid reception. 84% gives more or less decent reception with some glitches, and anything below that is no good.

ch 5.1 is still coming in at 0-81% and I still can't lock it. My email address for the engineer there is still good and he advised that they had recently fixed some problems and that my reception should be improved, but it's same as always.

Have u bothered to try a preamp yet or still just blaming your reception on the stations?

RTV LOSES NEW YORK CITY AFFILIATE, LOCAL CLASSIC MOVIE STATION LAUNCHED

Effective Monday, September 26, 2011, Luken Communications LLC's Retro Television Network (RTV) has lost its New York City television affiliate.

WKOB-LD New York, Channel 2.3 (Virtual Channel 42.3), had served as the networks NYC area affiliate since the Summer of 2010. Throughout the time it was carried on WKOB-LD, the retransmitted signal suffered from intermittent aural and color distortion issues which were isolated to the feed WKOB-LD received from RTV. This interference presented a challenging and often frustrating viewing experience to many fans who resoundingly welcomed the news that RTV, a classic TV network whose distribution consists largely of over-the-air digital subchannels, would be available to viewers in and around New York City.

Further complicating the experience for those viewers was and continues to be the interference-prone VHF-Lo signal WKOB-LD transmits over. The station has recently petitioned the fcc for a ten-fold power increase to help alleviate and combat some of the difficulties their audience has encountered when trying to tune into the station. No official action has yet been taken on this application.

Another Luken station, Tuff TV, aired briefly over WKOB-LD (42-4) between January 19 and March 30, 2011. Tuff TV suffered from the same intermittant distortion issues as RTV. WKOB-LD replaced the station with HOT TV: History Of Television.

WKOB-LD has chosen a similar fate for 42-3. On September 26, 2011, the station launched WKOB 42.3 24/7 Movie Network. It is locally produced and consists of 1930s through 1960s public domain movies (some of which likely air on HOT TV). A slate showing the road-sign for the defunct Buffalo Drive-In (closed since late 2007) places the legal ID and "24/7 Movie Network" in the marquee.

The only remnant of the former occupant of this subchannel is found in the PSIP channel name. 42-3 still lists as "RetroTV". The era of movies airing on the new WKOB 42.3 24/7 Movie Network do qualify as such.

RTV LOSES NEW YORK CITY AFFILIATE, LOCAL CLASSIC MOVIE STATION LAUNCHED

Effective Monday, September 26, 2011, Luken Communications LLC's Retro Television Network (RTV) has lost its New York City television affiliate.More bad news for RTN, losing the nations largest TV market. They also lost the #11 market, Detroit, in the last month.

RTV LOSES NEW YORK CITY AFFILIATE, LOCAL CLASSIC MOVIE STATION LAUNCHED

Effective Monday, September 26, 2011, Luken Communications LLC's Retro Television Network (RTV) has lost its New York City television affiliate.

WKOB-LD New York, Channel 2.3 (Virtual Channel 42.3), had served as the networks NYC area affiliate since the Summer of 2010. Throughout the time it was carried on WKOB-LD, the retransmitted signal suffered from intermittent aural and color distortion issues which were isolated to the feed WKOB-LD received from RTV. This interference presented a challenging and often frustrating viewing experience to many fans who resoundingly welcomed the news that RTV, a classic TV network whose distribution consists largely of over-the-air digital subchannels, would be available to viewers in and around New York City.

Further complicating the experience for those viewers was and continues to be the interference-prone VHF-Lo signal WKOB-LD transmits over. The station has recently petitioned the fcc for a ten-fold power increase to help alleviate and combat some of the difficulties their audience has encountered when trying to tune into the station. No official action has yet been taken on this application.

Another Luken station, Tuff TV, aired briefly over WKOB-LD (42-4) between January 19 and March 30, 2011. Tuff TV suffered from the same intermittant distortion issues as RTV. WKOB-LD replaced the station with HOT TV: History Of Television.

WKOB-LD has chosen a similar fate for 42-3. On September 26, 2011, the station launched WKOB 42.3 24/7 Movie Network. It is locally produced and consists of 1930s through 1960s public domain movies (some of which likely air on HOT TV). A slate showing the road-sign for the defunct Buffalo Drive-In (closed since late 2007) places the legal ID and "24/7 Movie Network" in the marquee.

The only remnant of the former occupant of this subchannel is found in the PSIP channel name. 42-3 still lists as "RetroTV". The era of movies airing on the new WKOB 42.3 24/7 Movie Network do qualify as such.

To be honest I could not get the station and knew it would die. Once Antenna TV was launched by Tribune. They could not compete.

Nothing worse then HALF A TRY. That is what they did with that cheap carrier they used.

To be honest I could not get the station and knew it would die. Once Antenna TV was launched by Tribune. They could not compete.

Nothing worse then HALF A TRY. That is what they did with that cheap carrier they used.

So true. And even when I could get the signal, it never enjoyable. Audio not in sync, audio only from the surrounds, colour only on ads, etc.

So true. And even when I could get the signal, it never enjoyable. Audio not in sync, audio only from the surrounds, colour only on ads, etc.

Instead of Promoting RTV with a great signal and great programing. They team up with a station that could not provide Signal, Quality Audio, and Quality picture.

So it makes RTV look like a garbage station.

I wonder why they could not use channel 39? They got empty slots and come in. Also I am sure they are cheap.

I also hear Antenna TV is popular. Shows you what a real network can do.

YET

There is a station that had a old man and his wife talking religion 24/7 I forget that channel since I deleted it. But the point is I bet he is still on the air and has more coverage. lol

Instead of Promoting RTV with a great signal and great programing. They team up with a station that could not provide Signal, Quality Audio, and Quality picture.

So it makes RTV look like a garbage station.
Keyboard21, RTV is the one at fault here. The same intermittent color and out-of-sync audio distortions are present on The .1 and .2 of WPVN-LD Aurora, Illinois, which carry RTV and Tuff TV, respectively. The remaining four of that stations subchannels have no distortion issues. From the public comments on a Facebook page that appears to be run by RTV, other affiliates experience the same problems also.

WKOB-LD can and now does provide quality audio and video on ALL of their subchannels. The signal issues are not the fault of the station, but the fault of physics and an inept fcc which requires archaic maximum power levels.

WKOB, as a low-power station, has actually been pushed around for years. They were originally on channel 53, but were forced out because of the digital transition (WFUT-DT was assigned channel 53 pre-transition), so they tried for channel 48. WRNN-TV spent about $1 million to prove WKOB was not worthy of the class A status they were seeking and, most importantly, to keep them off of channel 48. Then it was announced that channels 52-69 would be phased out, reducing the TV landscape. Finally, WKOB was granted channel 42 but had to operate with a stringent coverage pattern to protect WSAH-TV in Connecticut and a soon-to-be vacated analog WXTV channel 41. With the TV bands getting very crowded and other restrictions, channel 2 was the only logical option for them to go for, so they built-out their digital facilities and restarted operation there last year. I think they have done the best they can with the situation they have been dealt. They are trying now for a ten-fold power increase, but there is lots of red tape and they are dealing with an agency that for all intents and purposes hates broadcast TV.

The station is owned by Nave, and I frequently see PSAs on the station alerting viewers to the spectrum threat which exists and advises people contact their representatives to voice their opposition. The PSA is well produced. Nave deserves a lot of credit for not only bringing quality programming to the NYC area, but for doing what the major networks can't seem to find the courage or decency to do which is to alert the public about the threat to OTA TV. The irony is that Naves' channel 2 allocation is not even a target in the cross-hairs of the fcc's snipers.
I wonder why they could not use channel 39? They got empty slots and come in. Also I am sure they are cheap.
I have been unable to decode channel 39, WNYN-LD, and only get a trace signal when I tune to it. So I would prefer that channel not carry any programming that I would like to watch :D
I also hear Antenna TV is popular. Shows you what a real network can do.
Yes, in a way it is like a "real network" because most of the affiliates are Tribune-owned stations. Their affiliates consist of WGN-TV Chicago, KTLA Los Angeles, and WPIX New York, among others. I think just about every one of their affiliates is a full-power station with a large coverage area and cable carriage. They have also just picked up the NBCUniversal library rights that RTV allowed to expire. Many of the shows that had aired on RTV until June will be carried on Antenna TV beginning in a few days.
There is a station that had a old man and his wife talking religion 24/7 I forget that channel since I deleted it. But the point is I bet he is still on the air and has more coverage. lol
Are you referring to the guy sitting in the chair with the artificial plants surrounding him and calling into his show? If so, he's been off that station (which his company owns) since two weeks after the rapture he predicted to occur in May did not happen. He claims the world will probably end in October :rolleyes: I am thinking this is the station you mean since I don't know of any other around here that fits the description you provided.

Rtv Loses New York City Affiliate. not so, wsah tv ch43 is considered part of nyc. is in my locals on directv.

Rtv Loses New York City Affiliate. not so, wsah tv ch43 is considered part of nyc. is in my locals on directv.
WSAH is a television station licensed to Bridgeport, Connecticut. Technically, it is in the New York City television market, but it is a rim-shot signal ;)

Furthermore, the twelve hour RTV block WSAH alternates with twelve hours of infomercials means the Bridgeport station is not a full-time RTV affiliate as WKOB-LD, licensed to and transmitting from New York City, had been.

I think DirecTV is more inclusive with respect to which local OTA stations they retransmit than cable companies are. Price and content-wise, I think satellite companies are far superior to cable companies.

WSAH is a television station licensed to Bridgeport, Connecticut. Technically, it is in the New York City television market, but it is a rim-shot signal ;)

Furthermore, the twelve hour RTV block WSAH alternates with twelve hours of infomercials means the Bridgeport station is not a full-time RTV affiliate as WKOB-LD, licensed to and transmitting from New York City, had been.

I think DirecTV is more inclusive with respect to which local OTA stations they retransmit than cable companies are. Price and content-wise, I think satellite companies are far superior to cable companies.

have you heard if metv is coming to nyc. metv has a greater library of shows, imho is far superior to any other nostalgia type stations ei. antennatv thistv.

anyone else seeing a dramatic drop in signal quality and or strength on 5.1 lately? been seeing it for a week now.

Yes, am having problems even using my outdoor antenna!

Yes, am having problems even using my outdoor antenna!

thanks. i thought it was just me. i thought it was maybe the MOCA network i put in a month ago that was causing interference but i ruled that out.

i bought one of those Mohu leaf antennas to check it out (it works great by the way, better than other table top antennas) and i saw 5.1 coming in bad.

thanks for the assurance that its not just me.

Our both having problems receiving 44 doesn't necessarily mean it's
the station's fault.

These reception problems could be totally unrelated to what's happening with the station!

Our both having problems receiving 44 doesn't necessarily mean it's
the station's fault.

These reception problems could be totally unrelated to what's happening with the station!

never said that. i know that. only wanted to rule out that it was just me or my setup.

anyone else seeing a dramatic drop in signal quality and or strength on 5.1 lately? been seeing it for a week now.
I just passed your post on to my 5.1 engineer contact. As I said above, I recently had contact with him and long story short, my reception of 5.1 seems to be same as it has been for quite a long time.

Which is to say I can't get it at all.

See my prior post -- he told me that they'd been having some problems and replaced a tube just last Friday and wanted to know if I'm seeing a difference.

So maybe they're still having some issues. I'll let you know if I get any relevant feedback from him.

I just passed your post on to my 5.1 engineer contact. As I said above, I recently had contact with him and long story short, my reception of 5.1 seems to be same as it has been for quite a long time.

Which is to say I can't get it at all.

See my prior post -- he told me that they'd been having some problems and replaced a tube just last Friday and wanted to know if I'm seeing a difference.

So maybe they're still having some issues. I'll let you know if I get any relevant feedback from him.

thanks. if you want more info for the engineer, let me know. 15 miles out, never had a problem, always came in at 90+ now im seeing 45 - 50.

"never said that. i know that. only wanted to rule out that it was just me or my setup."

I inferred incorrectly!

thanks. if you want more info for the engineer, let me know. 15 miles out, never had a problem, always came in at 90+ now im seeing 45 - 50.
I told him he should read the followup posts, so he hopefully will because I think he'll appreciate your feedback about your current situation.

BTW, he confirmed that the ESB folks are doing quite a bit of overnight maintenance work which:

...centers on the Tower where the building is doing maintenance painting, mechanical repairs, inspections along with removing much of the old unused analog transmitter antenna systems (feedlines and antenna’s). This is expected to go on well into next year.

Perhaps this could turn out to be good news for me. If your reception goes back to where it was, maybe I should then start to get 5.1? Let me know if your reception gets back to its prior level. I don't know that I had checked 5.1 reception that much in the past until very recently, so maybe I've been getting it in recent months and just didn't know it?

Since I didn't have it locked in, I'd have to have done a re-scan to see if I was getting it and I don't normally do that when I turn toward NYC to watch a Yankee game, which is basically the only time I go to NYC for TV.

what a crappy time for 5.1 to have problems. football season and now the baseball LCS next week.

what a crappy time for 5.1 to have problems. football season and now the baseball LCS next week.
How's your MY9 reception? You can get the 5.1 programming on 5.2 as the MY9 subchannel @ RF 38.

But, of course, it's SD, not HD.

Which does kinda suck but it's better than nothing.

I will have baseball coverage on the Philly Fox channel (29). For football, I'm forced to go to 5.2 for the Giants game only when the Eagles and Giants play at the same time and 29 quite naturally carries the Eagles game.

what a crappy time for 5.1 to have problems. football season and now the baseball LCS next week.

My reception for 5.1 FOX is excellent. Over 90% which is rock solid for me. There were storms that came through the past 24-48 hours that may have impacted you and others....

anyone else seeing a dramatic drop in signal quality and or strength on 5.1 lately? been seeing it for a week now.

yes, it seems like all the stations have dropped their signal somewhat, it could it be atmospherics. a cold front its on its way

yes, it seems like all the stations have dropped their signal somewhat, it could it be atmospherics. a cold front its on its way

Nothing unusual seen at my location up till now. I have 3 antennas for OTA and none of them have shown any changes from June/July/August. I usually see changes in the Nov/Dec period that impact my reception of one channel......CBS 2.1 goes south on my CM4228. That is the antenna that is the highest up at my house.

len i looked at signal propogation maps from rabbitears.com according to longley-rice coverage at your location you should a see a signal from allentown-easton stations wfmz ch46 which shows metv and pbs wlvt ch39. your fortunate you have cm4228a they go for a pretty penny these days. ps let me know if you ever want to trade antennas or sell. i got 91xg that i would part with. :)

Hey nycdigital09,
have you heard if metv is coming to nyc. metv has a greater library of shows, imho is far superior to any other nostalgia type stations ei. antennatv thistv.
The good news is that Me-TV is expanding its affiliates in several different markets rapidly and the list seems to be growing monthly. The bad news is that NYC is not on that list - right now, anyway.

Me-TV is looking to be carried on a channel that offers cable penetration or could offer it. That eliminates all of the low power stations as none of them have cable penetration unless they lease a spot on a cable companies lineup.

I don't have to rehash the existing issues in the NYC market - few independents and those which exist usually program exclusively to ethnic audiences, many networks which will not deviate from protocol, etc.

I agree they have an excellent lineup, with Antenna TV coming in second. Until RTV gets its act together, I don't think they qualify as a classic TV network at the moment.

Ironically, you may have provided an answer for getting Me-TV into this market when you referenced WSAH Bridgeport. They are about the only full-power TV station I can think of which is independent, offers cable and satellite penetration, is willing to LMA their time to a non-ethnic and non-religious entity, and is technically in the NYC market.

Hey nycdigital09,

The good news is that Me-TV is expanding its affiliates in several different markets rapidly and the list seems to be growing monthly. The bad news is that NYC is not on that list - right now, anyway.

Me-TV is looking to be carried on a channel that offers cable penetration or could offer it. That eliminates all of the low power stations as none of them have cable penetration unless they lease a spot on a cable companies lineup.

I don't have to rehash the existing issues in the NYC market - few independents and those which exist usually program exclusively to ethnic audiences, many networks which will not deviate from protocol, etc.

I agree they have an excellent lineup, with Antenna TV coming in second. Until RTV gets its act together, I don't think they qualify as a classic TV network at the moment.

Ironically, you may have provided an answer for getting Me-TV into this market when you referenced WSAH Bridgeport. They are about the only full-power TV station I can think of which is independent, offers cable and satellite penetration, is willing to LMA their time to a non-ethnic and non-religious entity, and is technically in the NYC market.

Well Today is the LAST day of September and still NO CBS sub channel?

Also the worst part is no news on the progress or lack of

Well Today is the LAST day of September and still NO CBS sub channel?

Also the worst part is no news on the progress or lack of

patience, patience my boy, what you seek you shall find :)

len i looked at signal propogation maps from rabbitears.com according to longley-rice coverage at your location you should a see a signal from allentown-easton stations wfmz ch46 which shows metv and pbs wlvt ch39. your fortunate you have cm4228a they go for a pretty penny these days. ps let me know if you ever want to trade antennas or sell. i got 91xg that i would part with. :)

If my CM4228a was on a rotor I would try to get other channels but right now it is locked in on the ESB and I will not attempt to climb up and manually rotate it. My other 2 antennas are not high off the ground and are not mounted where I could rotate tham anyway.

If my CM4228a was on a rotor I would try to get other channels but right now it is locked in on the ESB and I will not attempt to climb up and manually rotate it. My other 2 antennas are not high off the ground and are not mounted where I could rotate tham anyway.

you don't mention if youre using a dedicated hi-vhf antenna or not. from your location, you probably need one. ps i trade you my 91xg and brand new never put up winegard 1713 hi vhf antenna for your 4228a ;)

you don't mention if youre using a dedicated hi-vhf antenna or not. from your location, you probably need one. ps i trade you my 91xg and brand new never put up winegard 1713 hi vhf antenna for your 4228a ;)

I have the CM4228 and 2 homebuilt Grey Hoverman antennas sitting below the CM4228. I do not have a dedicated VHF antenna.

Hello everyone this problem started about 2 months ago. When watching 11.2 11.3 11.4 I get a consistent freezing picture every 3 seconds audio plays just fine. Every other major local chanel shows just fine. Chanel 11.1 also shows without this problem. I am watching on a sony branded hdtv.

Hello everyone this problem started about 2 months ago. When watching 11.2 11.3 11.4 I get a consistent freezing picture every 3 seconds audio plays just fine. Every other major local chanel shows just fine. Chanel 11.1 also shows without this problem. I am watching on a sony branded hdtv.

We were just discussing this problem on another channel 39.5 . I seen this issue on a major network year ago. It seems to be how the channel is encoding the signal. We have a Dish DTVpal DVR and that box has trouble with certain encoding signals. Channel 39.5 HSN Just fixed the issue on their end. Abet one year later.

You did not mention what equipment you have? I can tell you ALL Channel 11 is working fine with us.

I suggest that you try a reset on your box or TV. If you still have the issue also try moving antenna a little bit. If all this fails. Then it has to be an encoding issue with your box or TV. Do you just have this problem on one TV? Or more then one?

If you have a free digital box. Changing the box to a different brand could work as long as the new box uses different encoding.

OR

You can do what we did when the problem first happened. E-mAIL or Call Tribune and try to get the tech engineer's e-mail. Explain what is happening and with a little luck they will fix the problem on their end.

So bottom line is make sure you do hard resets of the problem equipment before you bother Tribune.

PS I just read that you are using a SONY HDTV. Sorry I missed that. I would call Sony and ask if there is a fix to this issue on their end. Like an update.

GLTY

I suggest that you try a reset on your box or TV. If you still have the issue also try moving antenna a little bit. If all this fails. Then it has to be an encoding issue with your box or TV. Do you just have this problem on one TV? Or more then one?

If you have a free digital box. Changing the box to a different brand could work as long as the new box uses different encoding.


GLTY

boxes and tv's do not encode. Do u mean decode?

boxes and tv's do not encode. Do u mean decode?

No I meant what I said. The Channels ENCODE the signals. Some TV's and boxes can not read (DECODE) them. Others know more then I. They can give you the math reason why. I just give it in Layman's terms

TECH Question:

Let's say I have an extra POWER splitter.


VSMA-601C

1-Port
Bi-Directional
15dB forward gain (32x)
52-1000 MHz (forward)
5-42 MHz (return)
Return Path Insertion Loss - 0.8 dB
Surge Protection 6000v

http://i55.tinypic.com/2d8f29h.jpg

Would this work with OTA (Antenna) As well as QAM cable?

Would a +15 DB signal boost get me the fringe stations?

Would it do any harm in trying? IE Damage to box or TV

I wanted to try this on my aunts Antenna. I am thinking worse case is that this power splitter will give too much signal to the good stations. In which case I can just take it off. So I ask again. Any harm in trying?

Thanks guys

The device you have posted is not a two way divider. It is a 15 dB amplifier. One port is the low level signal input. One port is the high level signal output. One port is where you insert power into the device to run the amplifier, which comes from a "wall wart" device. The amplifier also has return capabilities where signals below 42 MHz are shunted backwards around the forward amplifier. Cable companies use this return path for sending data from the subscriber to the cable company for cable modems, on demand, and other features. It will give you 15 dB boost but if the input signal is too strong the amplifier could get overloaded creating noise across all channels. It will work for OTA but could be overloaded by nearby FM stations or two-way communications radios (fire, police, etc.)

i use a similar booster for my modem connection, this would boost qam and ota signals but not to the point of bringing in fringe stations. is only a 15db.

no harm to your equipment. how much is it?

The device you have posted is not a two way divider. It is a 15 dB amplifier. One port is the low level signal input. One port is the high level signal output. One port is where you insert power into the device to run the amplifier, which comes from a "wall wart" device. The amplifier also has return capabilities where signals below 42 MHz are shunted backwards around the forward amplifier. Cable companies use this return path for sending data from the subscriber to the cable company for cable modems, on demand, and other features. It will give you 15 dB boost but if the input signal is too strong the amplifier could get overloaded creating noise across all channels. It will work for OTA but could be overloaded by nearby FM stations or two-way communications radios (fire, police, etc.)

Thanks, This is what I thought. But will it do any harm to my equipment if I tried this device?

i use a similar booster for my modem connection, this would boost qam and ota signals but not to the point of bringing in fringe stations. is only a 15db.

no harm to your equipment. how much is it?

I have an extra one. I am not using it now. So I can try it for free;)

Normal price if you wanted to buy one is about $45

There is one station that comes in and then goes out. A 1 to 5 point boost would get me the signal.

I do not know if the antenna is not getting the signal or the cable system is losing some DB signal. If it is the latter. Then it should work, I guess

hey kb21 did plug in the booster, are you getting stronger signal ? i have similar amplifier but is a motorola brand, is gets me stronger signals on my modem, i have 2 way splitter that i qam cable signals with. is works great. im looking to getting another one similar, but like you said they go for $40-50 kind of pricey. i seen other splitters for $20 is cheaper brand.

keyboard here is a pic of the booster i use http://www.buy.com/prod/motorola-484095-001-00-rf-amplifier/10412402.html i use this booster with 2 ports. split one for my cable modem, the other line goes strait into my lcd tv. i qam crime warner unscramble signals suprisingly the channels are hd quality just like dtv.

We were just discussing this problem on another channel 39.5 . I seen this issue on a major network year ago. It seems to be how the channel is encoding the signal. We have a Dish DTVpal DVR and that box has trouble with certain encoding signals. Channel 39.5 HSN Just fixed the issue on their end. Abet one year later.

You did not mention what equipment you have? I can tell you ALL Channel 11 is working fine with us.

I suggest that you try a reset on your box or TV. If you still have the issue also try moving antenna a little bit. If all this fails. Then it has to be an encoding issue with your box or TV. Do you just have this problem on one TV? Or more then one?

If you have a free digital box. Changing the box to a different brand could work as long as the new box uses different encoding.

OR

You can do what we did when the problem first happened. E-mAIL or Call Tribune and try to get the tech engineer's e-mail. Explain what is happening and with a little luck they will fix the problem on their end.

So bottom line is make sure you do hard resets of the problem equipment before you bother Tribune.

PS I just read that you are using a SONY HDTV. Sorry I missed that. I would call Sony and ask if there is a fix to this issue on their end. Like an update.

GLTY

This is what I tried previously.
The TV is a costco model Sony KDL-46VL160 I found on these forums that I can update the firmware using KDL-46Z4100. The firmware update worked but it did not solve this problem. I tried emailing on wpix website about a month ago no response received.

I have had this problem for 2 months beleive it or not after I posted the problem here magically without me doing anything all three chanels started showing like every other chanel. They must have done something because 11.2 and 11.4 are now spanish chanels. 11.3 is an sd chanel of 11.1. I posted this at 9:30am and programming could be different later but i never saw an sd version of 11.1 on 11.3 before.

This is what I tried previously.
The TV is a costco model Sony KDL-46VL160 I found on these forums that I can update the firmware using KDL-46Z4100. The firmware update worked but it did not solve this problem. I tried emailing on wpix website about a month ago no response received.

I have had this problem for 2 months beleive it or not after I posted the problem here magically without me doing anything all three chanels started showing like every other chanel. They must have done something because 11.2 and 11.4 are now spanish chanels. 11.3 is an sd chanel of 11.1. I posted this at 9:30am and programming could be different later but i never saw an sd version of 11.1 on 11.3 before.
11.4 are now spanish channels. NO 11.4 is ANTENNA TV in English. Only 11.2 is Spanish. Make sure you did not push your SAP button.

As I said this encoding problem seems to be on the CHANNELS end. I guess PIX is not the first to make a mistake and will not be the last.

But I also thought that SONY could of done something.

Anyway I am glad the problem seems to be fixed for you.:D

hey kb21 did plug in the booster, are you getting stronger signal ? i have similar amplifier but is a motorola brand, is gets me stronger signals on my modem, i have 2 way splitter that i qam cable signals with. is works great. im looking to getting another one similar, but like you said they go for $40-50 kind of pricey. i seen other splitters for $20 is cheaper brand.

It will be a sometime till I can try it. Will let you know the result when I do.

This is what I tried previously.
The TV is a costco model Sony KDL-46VL160 I found on these forums that I can update the firmware using KDL-46Z4100. The firmware update worked but it did not solve this problem. I tried emailing on wpix website about a month ago no response received.

I have had this problem for 2 months beleive it or not after I posted the problem here magically without me doing anything all three chanels started showing like every other chanel. They must have done something because 11.2 and 11.4 are now spanish chanels. 11.3 is an sd chanel of 11.1. I posted this at 9:30am and programming could be different later but i never saw an sd version of 11.1 on 11.3 before.

Check if 11.5 and 11.6 give you This and Antenna. If they do, do a completely new scan. Sony TVs do not deal well when PSIP is lost even briefly.

- Trip

Check if 11.5 and 11.6 give you This and Antenna. If they do, do a completely new scan. Sony TVs do not deal well when PSIP is lost even briefly.

- Trip

They are on those channels now. But scanning for new channels did not find them also I cannot manually show/hide them.
update
I previously used the add digital channel function. This time I used the auto program function. It put This and Antenna on 11.3 and 11.4. The second spanish chanel and sd of 11.1 disappeared.
Now I have to rehide the spanish chanels and all the chanels that don't come in clearly.

Don't scan for just new channels, do a completely fresh scan of all channels. Wipe out what's in memory now. It's what you have to do with some Sony TVs to get them fixed when things like what you're observing happen.

- Trip

patience, patience my boy, what you seek you shall find :)

You are right, the other day I've found penny

Don't scan for just new channels, do a completely fresh scan of all channels. Wipe out what's in memory now. It's what you have to do with some Sony TVs to get them fixed when things like what you're observing happen.

- Trip

trip, i'm having a trouble with sony lcd that doesnt show any channels after i did a rescan you think maybe there is problem with psip on the sony's care to be more little more enlighting. :)

keyboard, you previously said that you have 2 of those boosters, now you said you don't. you are sending conflicting messages get your facts strait :eek:

If you're not getting anything in a scan, there's some kind of problem with the TV, be it a bad connection or problem with the set. I don't know that much about them.

I just know that Sony TVs don't handle PSIP changes well, such as if PSIP temporarily disappears.

- Trip

If you're not getting anything in a scan, there's some kind of problem with the TV, be it a bad connection or problem with the set. I don't know that much about them.

I just know that Sony TVs don't handle PSIP changes well, such as if PSIP temporarily disappears.

- Trip Indeed, on my 20inch Analog Sony the PSIP on remote is strictly for decoration

5.1 still coming in weak.....if anyone cares....

5.1 still coming in weak.....if anyone cares....

its gotta be on their end :)

5.1 still coming in weak.....if anyone cares....

No problems with 5.1 here. Must not be something that is impacting all of us.

No problems with 5.1 here. Must not be something that is impacting all of us.

i can still lock in and watch it fine. its just the signal strength drastically dropped. i can lock in and have fine viewing at 42% but there are the few instances where there is micro blocking.

i can still lock in and watch it fine. its just the signal strength drastically dropped. i can lock in and have fine viewing at 42% but there are the few instances where there is micro blocking.

Not seeing anything like that here. You having an issue but what the cause is will be hard to find out unless all of us are having trouble with 5.1. We need comments from other forum members to see how widespread the issue is.

Usually I see reception changes at my location when the leaves are off the trees. I have one channel only that I have problems with and that is 2.1 CBS which my CM4228 antenna for some reason loses.

i can still lock in and watch it fine. its just the signal strength drastically dropped. i can lock in and have fine viewing at 42% but there are the few instances where there is micro blocking.

all the stations have taken a hit for me, have you noticed that once in awhile the picture signal just goes out and returns seconds later? past few nights i seen tropo receiving wsah ch43 with indoor antenna tpo bad, they only show infomercials.

I have one channel only that I have problems with and that is 2.1 CBS which my CM4228 antenna for some reason loses.
What the heck is going on with 2.1 CBS this morning?
Just set up the TiVo to record the Jets game for this afternoon and did a signal strength test on 2.1 CBS- usual daytime reception is from 68-78% on the TiVo. This morning it started at 55% and proceeded to drop to 0% then back up to the mid 20's then slowly back up to the mid/high 50's again. Seems to be fairly stable around 55-58% which is a full 10-15 points below normal daytime readings.
Ch 4.1 is in the high 70's to peak of 81% which is a bit higher than it's normal of low 70's. 5.1 is steady at 96-98% which is normal for my setup.

But what is the deal with 2.1 CBS this morning?

(I'm 49 air miles east of ESB on LI using an Antennas Direct 91XG)

Sounds like interference from WFSB. How's your WPXN this morning?

- Trip

Sounds like interference from WFSB. How's your WPXN this morning?

- Trip
WPXN (31.1-3) seems steady @ 72%

What the heck is going on with 2.1 CBS this morning?
Lot's of tropo interference today & yesterday along the east coast. Seeing some normally reliable stations going in & out here as well. One station only 4 miles away is even shaky at times.

I'm seeing stations almost 100 miles away coming in well from the back of a 91-XG.

I'm in complete agreement with Digital Rules. I'm on a DX mailing list and someone in New Jersey reported hearing a radio station from Charlotte NC. I couldn't receive anything north of Fairfax VA from here, but I did get WRET from Spartansburg SC for the first time.

Short version: Probably the atmosphere causing WFSB to interfere. Should be temporary.

- Trip

Lot's of tropo today & yesterday along the east coast. Seeing normally reliable stations going in & out here as well. One station only 4 miles away is even shaky at times.
Wow.... hope it clears up by game time (4:15pm).
Guess I'll have the TiVo record from Cablevision on 702 on it's other tuner just in case 2.1 OTA is still unreliable.

I've had 2.1 CBS on for 30 min now- it's hovering around 78% to a peak of 81%... this is more normal for me.

It's crazy! :eek:

Thanks guys... was almost ready to head up onto the roof (again)....

Edit- 2.1 CBS is steady now at 81-83% and just peaked at 89%- highest I've ever seen it.

Yes, the tropo is about the strongest I've seen all year. Seeing numerous stations from North Carolina even coming in from the side of the antenna. Seeing Greensboro NC (about 300 miles) with the antenna pointed in almost any direction. (Ouch)

Yes, the tropo is about the strongest I've seen all year. Seeing numerous stations from North Carolina even coming in from the side of the antenna. Seeing Greensboro NC (about 300 miles) with the antenna pointed in almost any direction. (Ouch)
Yikes!
How the heck would you attempt to aim an antenna if you had to today under those conditions?

Just remembered- I have to go up on the roof today anyway- buddy at work gave me a Static dissipater (http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=344068&eventPage=1) for my mast and it seems like a nice morning to set it up. Thankfully I won't be messing with the antenna orientation...

I just happened to accidentally click on the NYC forum, and glad to see SOMEONE is receiving my locals (Greensboro) clearly today! haha. I am not. My usually strong Raleigh and Greensboro signals are unwatchable and the usually weaker statkions are perfect. I did a re-scan and got no fun tropo signals.

Perhaps it is troposphere or something else but lately 58.1 comes in great during the day and disappears on me at night. Zero signal down from the 80's during the day. Does tropo impact VHF more thasn UHF and at night in particular?

Or are the new owners of NJTV doing something at the transmitters?

If anything has been done to the transmitters, it's not the "new owners,"
the state continues to control them.

I've had extensive problems with dropouts on NJTV for the past few days. This was normally one of my most reliable channels. Since everything else was coming in fine -- well, except for WLIW, which I usually have problems with during any weather or tropo event - I just wrote it off as tropo or transmitter-tweaking.

Bottom line: it's not just you.

I've had extensive problems with dropouts on NJTV for the past few days. This was normally one of my most reliable channels. Since everything else was coming in fine -- well, except for WLIW, which I usually have problems with during any weather or tropo event - I just wrote it off as tropo or transmitter-tweaking.

Bottom line: it's not just you.

Likely a problem on their end, not weather or your setup. Their signal reliability has gone way down since NJTV took over operations with less technical staff.

Likely a problem on their end, not weather or your setup. Their signal reliability has gone way down since NJTV took over operations with less technical staff.

I respectfully disagree.

As much as I liked the content that NJN provided and as much as I feel NJTV is not yet up to speed, I can't say that I've observed any issues with their signal that didn't correspond to large weather events or well-publicized tropo events like we just discussed, above.

I respectfully disagree.

As much as I liked the content that NJN provided and as much as I feel NJTV is not yet up to speed, I can't say that I've observed any issues with their signal that didn't correspond to large weather events or well-publicized tropo events like we just discussed, above.

you still think the verdict still out on njtv, I think not, we been taken to the cleaners

Yes, the tropo is about the strongest I've seen all year. Seeing numerous stations from North Carolina even coming in from the side of the antenna. Seeing Greensboro NC (about 300 miles) with the antenna pointed in almost any direction. (Ouch)
I'm seeing a lot of weird stuff coming out of Baltimore (my antenna is currently oriented toward Philly) -
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=21068891#post21068891

I've had extensive problems with dropouts on NJTV for the past few days. This was normally one of my most reliable channels. Since everything else was coming in fine -- well, except for WLIW, which I usually have problems with during any weather or tropo event - I just wrote it off as tropo or transmitter-tweaking.

Bottom line: it's not just you.
I recorded the Clapton Crossroads guitar festival on 52-1 Sunday night and although my reception was a solid 96%, I saw minor pixelations throughout the program which almost appeared to be at somewhat regular intervals. Maybe it was tropo but that station is normally very solid for me and, as I say, it was registering a strong 96% at the time of the recording.

tmax youre watachin baltimore stations, that must be strong tropo in your neck of woods, now that yanks/phils are not in playoffs anyone you like to win ws. my bet is st louis

No tropo at the moment. I'm back to my usual Philly stations and glad for it.

According to Google maps, Baltimore is 160+ miles from me and nearly in a straight line so it's a pretty good estimate. Plus I'm apparently getting something out of Annapolis, which is even farther off. I may even be getting some stations farther yet.

But Baltimore is in a straight line from Philly, so it's natural that I'd get those stations when tropo is high.

No tropo at the moment. I'm back to my usual Philly stations and glad for it.

According to Google maps, Baltimore is 160+ miles from me and nearly in a straight line so it's a pretty good estimate. Plus I'm apparently getting something out of Annapolis, which is even farther off. I may even be getting some stations farther yet.

But Baltimore is in a straight line from Philly, so it's natural that I'd get those stations when tropo is high.

Every city in the world is an exact straight line to any other city in the world ;)

No tropo at the moment. I'm back to my usual Philly stations and glad for it.

According to Google maps, Baltimore is 160+ miles from me and nearly in a straight line so it's a pretty good estimate. Plus I'm apparently getting something out of Annapolis, which is even farther off. I may even be getting some stations farther yet.

But Baltimore is in a straight line from Philly, so it's natural that I'd get those stations when tropo is high.

I use to get baltimore station even dc stations when there was strong tropo when analog was still around. i use to get the annapolis pbs station all throughout summertime. harrisburg pa, I once got a virginia beach tv station.

Every city in the world is an exact straight line to any other city in the world ;)
Not when you can't get there from here.

Not when you can't get there from here.

huh ? whacha talkin bout willis

huh ? whacha talkin bout willis

It is secret code for the new CBS sub-station.;)

It is secret code for the new CBS sub-station.;)

I hear is coming giftwrap for christmas :rolleyes:

I hear is coming giftwrap for christmas :rolleyes:

Yea? What year?

The NY stations changed the PSIP time back to standard time three weeks early again. They screw up every season. In 2011, Daylight Savings Time is from 2:00 a.m. (local time) on March 13 until 2:00 a.m. (local time) on November 6.
See http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/faqs/qdaylite.cfm

Not sure if Brooklyn falls under New York, NY but I'm having some trouble.

My house has an antennae we can all hook into the wall, no problem however my TV is a LITTLE bit farther away from that wall so... I'm missing a lot of channels (2,4,5,9) and I was wondering if getting some kind of booster would help. I think it might because everyone else is getting every (or almost every) local channel and I think it might just be my overly long cable.

Not sure if Brooklyn falls under New York, NY but I'm having some trouble.

My house has an antennae we can all hook into the wall, no problem however my TV is a LITTLE bit farther away from that wall so... I'm missing a lot of channels (2,4,5,9) and I was wondering if getting some kind of booster would help. I think it might because everyone else is getting every (or almost every) local channel and I think it might just be my overly long cable.
The antenna you are connected to is probably an old VHF antenna because the channels you are missing are all UHF. You might want to try an indoor antenna for the UHF stations you are missing.

Yea? What year?

hopefully 2021

The antenna you are connected to is probably an old VHF antenna because the channels you are missing are all UHF. You might want to try an indoor antenna for the UHF stations you are missing.

But everyone else gets them and we're all hooked into the same antenna.

But everyone else gets them and we're all hooked into the same antenna.

Did you re-scan for channels after connecting the antenna?

I would also try the indoor antenna just to see if you can pick up the UHF channels on that to rule out something going on with your TV, for starters (unless you have another TV to connect to this antenna).

You can keep relying on "but other people can get those channels" but that's not going to help you until you start experimenting to see where the problem is.

Re-scan for channels while connected to the rooftop antenna, for starters. No difference? Connect an indoor antenna or even those cheapo-circular UHF antennas that come with a lot of TV's and re-scan. You will at least pick up something with one of those assuming there's nothing wrong on the set-end.

Not sure if Brooklyn falls under New York, NY but I'm having some trouble.

My house has an antennae we can all hook into the wall, no problem however my TV is a LITTLE bit farther away from that wall so... I'm missing a lot of channels (2,4,5,9) and I was wondering if getting some kind of booster would help. I think it might because everyone else is getting every (or almost every) local channel and I think it might just be my overly long cable.

There's no such thing as 2, 4, 5 and 9 anymore. There's 2.1, 4.1, 5.1 and 9.1 if what you're referring to is WCBS, WNBC, FOX and WWOR. And those are virtual channels - the channels that display on your TV, not the actual channels that they're broadcasting on. There are also additional channels on 4.2, 5.2, etc.

Also, when you have your set scan, make sure it's set to scan OTA channels and not cable channels.

Unless your long cable has a break in it, it should make no difference.

Not sure if Brooklyn falls under New York, NY but I'm having some trouble.

My house has an antennae we can all hook into the wall, no problem however my TV is a LITTLE bit farther away from that wall so... I'm missing a lot of channels (2,4,5,9) and I was wondering if getting some kind of booster would help. I think it might because everyone else is getting every (or almost every) local channel and I think it might just be my overly long cable.

When is the last time that antenna was used? Is this a sudden problem? Just beause there is an antenna on the roof doesn't mean it has a wire connected to it and the connection is good. If you are in Brooklyn chances are you should be able to get decent OTA reception with either an indoor or outdoor antenna.

All of us on this forum have different OTA setups with differing reception issues. So one size does not fit all and you will get lots of advice and some of it will work for you and some won't...