yep, figured it out. Somehow channel 4's default setting got switched to look for the analog signal instead of the digital signal. I realized it when I noticed all other channels said "DTV" in the corner except for 4. I have a 4 yr old son so that usually explains it.

...I thought I was going to have to watch the Super Bowl at my parents for a moment there.
I used to get a lot of calls about SAP audio traced to remote control mis-punches. My own two problems are with closed captions and changing aspect ratio...occasionally I push the wrong buttons and suffer until I realize it was self-induced. As for the Super Bowl, I'll be watching from right at the Transmitter, just in case something needs immediate attention.

For about 3 weeks now I've been noticing on WNYW-DT and WWOR-DT SD commercials are airing with interlacing lines on the video.
The show airing on WWOR-DT in SD has interlacing lines on it.
How is it technically that a station broadcasting in 720p can have interlacing lines on the screen?

The other day during the Pro Bowl bore, Telo on 42-1 was presenting interesting info about heart/coronary issues, 20 Billion worth of unnecessary surgeries, on the shows there some experts use medical info, statics, published studies most of us merely mortals would not come to contact.
Sounds interesting! :)

And for all the fans of those seemingly lost classic TV shows which have fallen into the public domain, there is happy news to report :D HOT TV Network has returned to WKOB-LD channel 42-3 effective Friday, February 4, 2012 following a nearly four month hiatus during which time an EBR test pattern without audio kept HOT's seat warm. HOT's quiet return isn't entirely problem-free, however, as an audio problem is alternately muting the audio for several moments. Hopefully this technical problem will be repaired quicker than the hiatus so these vintage classics will once again be enjoyed in their entirety by HOT TV's New York City area audience.

For more information about HOT TV Network, check out their website: HOT TV Network (http://hottvchannel.com/) :D

Does anyone have the TVGOS Updating Schedule?

The hours that CBS sends out the signal.

Thanks

Does anyone have the TVGOS Updating Schedule?

The hours that CBS sends out the signal.

Thanks

MY Sony HDD-250 shuts down at 1 am for "program updates". TVGOS 8.

The only good thing I can see about the subchannel is that it is SD 480i. If they are going to destroy the only true HDTV picture in the NY area, at least this is less bandwidth taken.

I guess we'll have to use disc media / blu rays now to see the "best picture". Darn. That was one thing from the analog age I thought we were over with.

I'll be watching from right at the Transmitter, just in case something needs immediate attention.

Do you have a Paragon Valdez transmitter or a DCX?

Do you have a Paragon Valdez transmitter or a DCX?
Four IOX cabinets have been reconfigured into DCX over the years and operating now with two as Main for 50 kW TPO with ADAPT IV exciters and the other two as Alternate for 44 kW TPO with MODAP exciters.

Four IOX cabinets have been reconfigured into DCX over the years and operating now with two as Main for 50 kW TPO with ADAPT IV exciters and the other two as Alternate for 44 kW TPO with MODAP exciters.

Kewl beans. Happy thyratron crowbar to you!

Your private msg inbox is clogged.

wow this sucks I can't watch the game at all.. it's like they cut the power to WNBC I don't get a blip at all on the signal level.. I bet $100 in the morning everything will be back to normal!

wow this sucks I can't watch the game at all.. it's like they cut the power to WNBC I don't get a blip at all on the signal level.. I bet $100 in the morning everything will be back to normal!

Wow, I'm at least 35 miles northeast of you (63 miles from ESB). I recorded the game on 3 different DTV Pal DVRs. No signal problems on WNBC up here.

Wow, I'm at least 35 miles northeast of you (63 miles from ESB). I recorded the game on 3 different DTV Pal DVRs. No signal problems on WNBC up here.

Wow is right :-/

I was able to watch it but it was painful in a big way.. I found in order for it to get a signal I had to sit about a foot away from my 40" screen and hold my hand out near the antenna (outside the window) and the signal got clear.. but as soon as I moved and sat back in my seat or got up.. I got the message "Weak or no signal"

Ugh..

biggest turn off.. I only watched a bit of the half-time and near the end and that was it.

Sounds interesting! :)

And for all the fans of those seemingly lost classic TV shows which have fallen into the public domain, there is happy news to report :D HOT TV Network has returned to WKOB-LD channel 42-3 effective Friday, February 4, 2012 following a nearly four month hiatus during which time an EBR test pattern without audio kept HOT's seat warm. HOT's quiet return isn't entirely problem-free, however, as an audio problem is alternately muting the audio for several moments. Hopefully this technical problem will be repaired quicker than the hiatus so these vintage classics will once again be enjoyed in their entirety by HOT TV's New York City area audience.

For more information about HOT TV Network, check out their website: HOT TV Network (http://hottvchannel.com/) :D It's good to know, I have edited the 42-3,4 out, thank you

WSAH, channel 43 is no longer a RTV affiliate, They are now running MeTV programing, at least that's what is airing on DirecTV.

Supposedly Retro was moved to a sub-channel?

Yes, RTV should be on 43-2.

- Trip

With all the moving around of WKOB's digital transmission channel, when they finally finish their work, will the reception of it improve at all? I can't get it at all with an indoor antenna, and I'm less than 10 miles away.

With all the moving around of WKOB's digital transmission channel, when they finally finish their work, will the reception of it improve at all? I can't get it at all with an indoor antenna, and I'm less than 10 miles away.

Are you attempting to tune in after sunset? I have heard that the FCC approved a new channel out of the VHF Lo band currently used. With RF channel 2, the station is obscured in my area by street lights. If you are trying during the day, perhaps an indoor antenna is not enough. With my outdoor antenna, about 35 miles away from their transmitter, signal strength is about 65-70%.

Yes, RTV should be on 43-2.

- Trip
But here with signal level 0-15 0-15 ,well, you've got to work harder, Trip

Are you attempting to tune in after sunset? I have heard that the FCC approved a new channel out of the VHF Lo band currently used. With RF channel 2, the station is obscured in my area by street lights. If you are trying during the day, perhaps an indoor antenna is not enough. With my outdoor antenna, about 35 miles away from their transmitter, signal strength is about 65-70%.

Usually street lights quiet down after being on for a while.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-01-24/news/30661072_1_reports-and-correspondents-carolyn-gusoff-entertainment-correspondent

Usually street lights quiet down after being on for a while.

From what I have seen, WKOB vanishes about a minute before the streetlight in my sight even starts as a dim glow, and WKOB remains out through daybreak. Tried to tune in one morning before sunrise -- nothing. I left the set on ch 42, and as soon as the streetlight went out, WKOB was back on. From what I recall, WKOB is operating at just 300 watts.

Anyone know if WCBS made any changes to their encoder?
Tonight WCBS-DT 2.1 has almost no motion artifacts.
The Grammy's PQ was very good.

Are you attempting to tune in after sunset? I have heard that the FCC approved a new channel out of the VHF Lo band currently used. With RF channel 2, the station is obscured in my area by street lights. If you are trying during the day, perhaps an indoor antenna is not enough. With my outdoor antenna, about 35 miles away from their transmitter, signal strength is about 65-70%.
I didn't know that street lights were such a problem? I've probably tried mostly during the day. Given my distance from NYC, if I can't receive the station with a common indoor antenna, then it's simple not worth my time or effort. I was just asking whether WKOB would be joining the big time, or continue as, in my book, an irrelevant OTA station?

It's the nature of low-VHF, everything interferes with it.

- Trip

It's the nature of low-VHF, everything interferes with it.

- Trip


My water pik takes channel 11 out. The little DC motor inside must make tiny sparks. It is 75 feet from the antenna.

It's the nature of low-VHF, everything interferes with it.

- Trip

Just about everything is being converted to LED lighting and LEDS can have disasterous impact on VHF - LOW, Medium, High as I have found with my neighbors LED patio lights. Just wait as they convert traffic lights, street lights etc to LED. And what will happen when the lights on the Empire State building which are on all the time go LED (I hope not)? We may lose all of our reception!

LEDs are and have been illuminating the exterior of the Empire State Building!

The use of LEDs on the Empire State Building goes back to 2007 when the owners of the building began tests for its $5 million LED lighting contract!

LEDs are and have been illuminating the exterior of the Empire State Building!

The use of LEDs on the Empire State Building goes back to 2007 when the owners of the building began tests for its $5 million LED lighting contract!

I thought they used Floodlights?

Wrong!

Wrong!

Here is the latest info from the ESB Website. You will note NO mention of LEDs and the mention of floodlights and flourescent lighting.

How are the tower lights’ colors changed?

For the top spire, the lighting is done with five panels of fluorescent tubes containing five colors (red, yellow, green, blue and white), and these colors are changed by turning a switch. On the setback roofs, there are large white spotlights with metal frames; large colored, disk-shaped gels (red, blue, green, yellow, orange, lavender, purple, pink) are placed into the frames. These lights are pitched towards the building's façade, so that the colors are projected onto the building. The building's staff electricians are in charge of the color changes.

Whatever you say!

LED lighting on Empire would only be a inteference problem for the gorilla. Not sure if he even watches TV.

Here is the latest info from the ESB Website. You will note NO mention of LEDs and the mention of floodlights and flourescent lighting.

How are the tower lights’ colors changed?

For the top spire, the lighting is done with five panels of fluorescent tubes containing five colors (red, yellow, green, blue and white), and these colors are changed by turning a switch. On the setback roofs, there are large white spotlights with metal frames; large colored, disk-shaped gels (red, blue, green, yellow, orange, lavender, purple, pink) are placed into the frames. These lights are pitched towards the building's façade, so that the colors are projected onto the building. The building's staff electricians are in charge of the color changes.
Quite similar but not exactly the same: LED lighting upgrade for the Touchdown Jesus mural on Hesburgh Library at Notre Dame.

Whatever you say!

I copied the info from the ESB website. So technically it's what they are telling the public. Not what I am saying. Just go to their website and go to FAQS. That is my source.

If you could tell us where you got your info that they use LEDS then maybe we can clear this up.

From The New York Times

Empire State Building Seeks Best of the Brightest

By GLENN COLLINS
Published: April 20, 2007

Think of it as a smackdown between King Kong and Godzilla. Hours before sunrise today, two lighting behemoths faced off at the Empire State Building, vying for a $5 million contract to bring 21st century illumination to New York’s tallest skyscraper.

In the test early this morning at the Empire State Building, the existing lights, in white above, competed against L.E.D. lights from Phillips, the red light to the right, and Color Kinetics, the red light to the left.

From 3:58 a.m. to 5:09 a.m. Eastern time, the combatants projected a rainbow of colors from the 72nd floor parapet of the Empire, as its employees call the building. There were solid test-pattern blocks, vibrant stripes, spectrum cascades, strobe effects, and pattern sequences called “Fourth of July,” “New Year’s Eve” and “fireworks.”

The two companies, Color Kinetics and Philips Electronics, had installed test lights to illuminate floors 72 to 81 at the north and south sides of the Art Deco building’s western facade.

The contest bathed the building in “intelligent illumination,” employing a new generation of computer-controlled high-brightness light-emitting diodes — or L.E.D.s — that are capable of producing millions of different colors and an infinity of patterns.

For decades, only nine colors have been available in lighting the building, deployed by six maintenance workers who braved the elements on the parapets to install — by hand — colored plastic lenses on the tops of 208 old-fashioned floodlights, a job that can take six hours. They worked the color changes 200 times a year.

And a crew changed some of those outmoded lights again and again this morning, on the north facade of the Empire State, to provide a visual comparison for the building’s managers. They were watching the test through the windows of their command center on the 28th floor of an office building at West 38th Street and Broadway.

The color of the new lights will be programmable from a computer console. The L.E.D.s will give off less heat, will last much longer, and probably will be more energy efficient than the current metal-halide lamps.

The competition demonstrates “nothing less than the digitalization of an entire major industry, replacing archaic mechanical illumination with smarter lighting,” said William Sims, president of Color Kinetics, based in Boston, which has illuminated the Hollywood Bowl, the Los Angeles International Airport and the Broadway musical “Wicked.”

In an earlier test in January to gauge brightness and color intensity, both companies were banished from the 72nd floor parapets back to the drawing board to improve their colors, especially white. So today, “we were psyched and excited” about the test, said Govi V. Rao, general manager of Philips’s American solid-state lighting division, based in Somerset, N.J. The company has lit iconic buildings like Buckingham Palace in London and the Dolmabahçe Palace in Istanbul.

The Empire State’s lights, normally switched on from a bit before sundown to midnight, have long observed a complex annual cycle of ritual changes: blue and white for Hanukkah, red and green for the December holiday season, yellow and white for spring, green for St. Patrick’s Day, pink and white for breast-cancer awareness. This calendar has often been punctuated by special events, as when the building went blue in honor of the passing of Frank Sinatra, Ol’ Blue Eyes.

With the new lights, though, the Empire State would be able to feature “dynamic new patterns,” said James T. Connors, the general manager of the Empire State Building Company.

The lighting upgrade is part of a years-long, $400 million refurbishment of the building that he hopes will increase its value to prospective tenants.

Mr. Connors pronounced himself “happy with the test” today, but reserved opinion on which company won, saying that won’t be decided until the companies submit their formal bids for the job. Installation could begin as early as next fall, for a debut in 2008.

The new lighting systems have one serious shortcoming, however. The L.E.D.s will be projecting light onto the building, not densely covering its sides and projecting outward, as they would on Times Square billboard screens — “so you can’t,” Mr. Connors said, “create an image of King Kong with these lights.”

I can't find anything that indicates this ever happened.

From The New York Times



I can't find anything that indicates this ever happened.

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2008/07/28/technology/20080728_LED_SLIDESHOW_index.html

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2008/07/28/technology/20080728_LED_SLIDESHOW_index.html

Right, that's the slideshow that was published with the article about the test, so the test happened, but I mean did they actually pick a company and install the LED's?

Right, that's the slideshow that was published with the article about the test, so the test happened, but I mean did they actually pick a company and install the LED's?

I'm only saying that they don't mention LEDS at all on the ESB website. And the FAQ still talks about changing colors with lenses on the floodlights which was the old technology from what I can tell. It could be the LEDs worked well in the tests but the cost for them must be quite high.

Perhaps someone can find out more info? I could try to email them (ESB website) and see if I can get an answer.

Just about everything is being converted to LED lighting and LEDS can have disasterous impact on VHF - LOW, Medium, High as I have found with my neighbors LED patio lights. Just wait as they convert traffic lights, street lights etc to LED. And what will happen when the lights on the Empire State building which are on all the time go LED (I hope not)? We may lose all of our reception!
The Radio and TV broadcasters pay HUGE rents for the space to keep their antennas and transmitters at ESB, thus effectively operating their businesses from this midtown Manhattan location. I highly doubt it would be in the best interest of the landlords to create a scenario in which the tenants could not effectively conduct their business in the manner they have been doing so for nearly 70 years.

I'm only saying that they don't mention LEDS at all on the ESB website.?

Yes, you've already said that. I was addressing a different comment.

Noticing for the second time in a few weeks WNYW-DT 5.1 is keeping the WNYW NEW YORK id on screen on the bottom left during network programming.

watching it now and yes it's very annoying.. how is it they can get the Fox logo right but not WNYW-DT?

At the end of the second segment just before 8:30pm they turned it off.

Yep...

noticed a Bounce TV header on channel 9.3

WWOR-TV Launches Subchannel 9-3 for Bounce TV
Effective Thursday, February 16, 2012, WWOR-TV Secaucus has launched a new stream over its Channel 38 broadcast facility in the New York City market.

The new stream, which appears to over-the-air viewers as Channel 9-3, will be the home of Bounce TV, perhaps as early as today. According to the network's Bounce TV website (http://www.bouncetv.com/): "Bounce TV is the first African American broadcast network, featuring a programming mix of theatrical motion pictures, sporting events, documentaries, specials, inspirational faith-based programs, off-network series, original programming and more. Bounce TV’s founders include Martin Luther King III, Ambassador Andrew Young, Andrew “Bo” Young III, and Rob Hardy and Will Packer, co-founders of Rainforest Films, one of the top African American production companies in the world."

Bounce TV was founded on April 4, 2011 and began broadcasting on September 26, 2011 at 12PM EDT. In November 2011, it was announced that WWOR-TV would be the new network's New York City area affiliate.

The launch in this market could be bittersweet. Bounce TV plans to broadcast singer Whitney Houston's funeral from Newark, New Jersey in its entirety without commercials on Saturday, February 18, 2012 starting at 12PM EST. They will likely be the only broadcast outlet to present uninterrupted coverage.

Technical Specs

Presently, the WWOR-TV Secaucus .3 sub-channel simulcasts WWOR-TV programming. It is SD with a 3:4 static aspect-ratio. Language is English. PSIP TVCT displays the channel name as BOUNCE on virtual channel 9-3. Time is +1 hour. Program guide information is accurate. The current program airing is "WWOR Programming" which is described as "Program Description" It is a 60 minute program which airs hourly beginning at the top of each hour.

WWOR-TV Launches Subchannel 9-3 for Bounce TV
Effective Thursday, February 16, 2012, WWOR-TV Secaucus has launched a new stream over its Channel 38 broadcast facility in the New York City market.

The new stream, which appears to over-the-air viewers as Channel 9-3, will be the home of Bounce TV, perhaps as early as today. According to the network's Bounce TV website (http://www.bouncetv.com/): "Bounce TV is the first African American broadcast network, featuring a programming mix of theatrical motion pictures, sporting events, documentaries, specials, inspirational faith-based programs, off-network series, original programming and more. Bounce TV’s founders include Martin Luther King III, Ambassador Andrew Young, Andrew “Bo” Young III, and Rob Hardy and Will Packer, co-founders of Rainforest Films, one of the top African American production companies in the world."

Bounce TV was founded on April 4, 2011 and began broadcasting on September 26, 2011 at 12PM EDT. In November 2011, it was announced that WWOR-TV would be the new network's New York City area affiliate.

The launch in this market could be bittersweet. Bounce TV plans to broadcast singer Whitney Houston's funeral from Newark, New Jersey in its entirety without commercials on Saturday, February 18, 2012 starting at 12PM EST. They will likely be the only broadcast outlet to present uninterrupted coverage.

Technical Specs

Presently, the WWOR-TV Secaucus .3 sub-channel simulcasts WWOR-TV programming. It is SD with a 3:4 static aspect-ratio. Language is English. PSIP TVCT displays the channel name as BOUNCE on virtual channel 9-3. Time is +1 hour. Program guide information is accurate. The current program airing is "WWOR Programming" which is described as "Program Description" It is a 60 minute program which airs hourly beginning at the top of each hour.

And meanwhile the folks over at CBS can only put test patterns up on 2.2. How much longer do we have to endure that nonsense!

WOR 9-3 Bounce 704x480i 30 Hz Dolby Stereo

Last night glimpse and today morning glimpse of the same show, looks like they may be showing the one and only show 24/7, not much of gain

I checked 9.3 on Friday and today and it's been a simulcast of 9.1.

I checked 9.3 on Friday and today and it's been a simulcast of 9.1.
That is correct, and IMHO, Fox Television Stations - the licensee of WWOR-TV - forewent a unique opportunity to launch Bounce TV just prior to it airing this special coverage. In the New York City market, WABC-TV owned all the other broadcast stations as their solitary coverage of the Whitney Houston funeral was uninterrupted by both commercials and detracting pundit banter.

WNBC provided total coverage, commercial free!

WNBC provided total coverage, commercial free!
I didn't observe coverage from WNBC as I passed by their channel, but I won't dispute your observation...

That's very kind of you!

And meanwhile the folks over at CBS can only put test patterns up on 2.2. How much longer do we have to endure that nonsense!You don't have to endure anything. Don't watch.

You don't have to endure anything. Don't watch.

How about instead comments about my post you give us some useful info on CBS 2.2? Like why is a test pattern still up and when is programming going to be put in place. Surely your contacts can give you some info you can post on this forum.

How about instead comments about my post you give us some useful info on CBS 2.2? If you were to ask a reasonable question instead of making snarky comments, you wouldn't have to 'endure' my comments.

Like why is a test pattern still up and when is programming going to be put in place. Surely your contacts can give you some info you can post on this forum.I will ask for you and see what I can find out.

Some could learn manners and patience from Ken!

If you were to ask a reasonable question instead of making snarky comments, you wouldn't have to 'endure' my comments.

I will ask for you and see what I can find out.

Nice of you Ken. Thanks.

hey KEN. Is TVGOS now stable. Will there be anymore outages? Any word? Thanks

WASA-LD Port Jervis Fulfills Its Destiny
When viewers tuned-in to WASA-LD Port Jervis last night expecting the usual infomercial rotation that has been the stations' staple since its December 2009 launch over Channel 25, they instead encountered a black screen. Perhaps the DVD was again having problems as it had several times before? Not this time...

When Liberman Broadcasting, Inc. (LBI) purchased WASA-LD from Venture Technologies for $6 million on March 1, 2010, it was largely expected that LBI would place their Hispanic TV network Estrella TV on its new acquisition. But an earlier deal with Tribune already established Estrella TV on WPIX New York, Channel 11-2, on October 1, 2009, and subsequent deals with regional multichannel video programming distributors (MVPDs) expanded Estrella TV's potential audience in the New York City TV market.

With Estrella TV seemingly firmly established in DMA #1, LBI took a hands-off approach to WASA-LD, only modifying its channel lineup once in February 2011 to add Information Culture News (ICN), both the Chinese and English feeds. All the while, LBI maintained a looping rotation of five half-hour infomercials running 24 hours a day on WASA-LD's primary channel. The lineup consisted of: Nu-Wave Oven, TriVita Super B-12, Sweet Soul of the '70s, Montel William's Living Well Health Master Blender, and The H2O Ultra Steam Mop.

The looping rotation continued and continued... until February 18, 2012.

Then on Sunday, February 19, 2012, WASA-LD fulfilled its long expected destiny: Estrella TV. The LBI-owned network has finally been placed on WASA-LD's primary channel 24-1.

WNBC provided total coverage, commercial free!

So did WWOR.

So does that means that Estrella is no longer on WPIX? If so, what is now in its place?

- Trip

How about instead comments about my post you give us some useful info on CBS 2.2? Like why is a test pattern still up and when is programming going to be put in place. Surely your contacts can give you some info you can post on this forum.The plan is to light up 2.2 tomorrow.

hey KEN. Is TVGOS now stable. Will there be anymore outages? Any word? Thanks

TVGOS is stable for now in both NYC & Philly. There may be other technical issues but only time will tell.


Speculation On: Technical aside, I wonder how long the current contract runs for? I wonder if both parties will want to renew it?

The plan is to light up 2.2 tomorrow.

Good News. Thanks for digging into this for us OTA folks.

I look forward to having something meaningful rather than test paterns replete with noise!

WASA-LD Port Jervis Fulfills Its Destiny
When viewers tuned-in to WASA-LD Port Jervis last night expecting the usual infomercial rotation

..and how does this serve the people of Port Jervis?
The station does not and never has served that area.

TVGOS is stable for now in both NYC & Philly. There may be other technical issues but only time will tell.


Speculation On: Technical aside, I wonder how long the current contract runs for? I wonder if both parties will want to renew it?

Thank You Ken

Do you know why 9.3 (BounceTV) is just a simulcast of 9.1 ? I thought they had their own programing? They made a big stink about the launch.

Thank You Ken

Do you know why 9.3 (BounceTV) is just a simulcast of 9.1 ? I thought they had their own programing? They made a big stink about the launch.

Likely to test picture quality of primary and subchannels before official launch.

So does that means that Estrella is no longer on WPIX? If so, what is now in its place?

- Trip

Last time I was scrolling between channels earlier today, I do recall seeing Estrella on 11.2. Why would the network leave a full power station to go with an inferior station? If they do leave, I hope PIX adds MeTV. If not, I hope MeTV can at least end up on WNYW, as their sister station seems to be in the process of adding Bounce.

Also looking forward to tune in to 2.2 -- but why would they launch without any hype at all?

Last time I was scrolling between channels earlier today, I do recall seeing Estrella on 11.2. Why would the network leave a full power station to go with an inferior station? If they do leave, I hope PIX adds MeTV. If not, I hope MeTV can at least end up on WNYW, as their sister station seems to be in the process of adding Bounce.

Also looking forward to tune in to 2.2 -- but why would they launch without any hype at all?

Because it's kind of cheaper to put a network u own on a station u own than pay WPIX for carriage. They will however lose every viewer they had. If they don't get cable carriage soon, they won't survive.

Last time I was scrolling between channels earlier today, I do recall seeing Estrella on 11.2. Why would the network leave a full power station to go with an inferior station?

Perhaps WPIX did not renew their contract.

If they do leave, I hope PIX adds MeTV.

Why would Tribune make its chief competitor more available?

- Trip

Because it's kind of cheaper to put a network u own on a station u own than pay WPIX for carriage. They will however lose every viewer they had. If they don't get cable carriage soon, they won't survive.
Estrella TV already enjoys MVPD carriage. Of course, if they lose their spot at WPIX-DT2, it is doubtful that carriage will continue. An option would be to lease time directly from the regional MVPDs, as CaribeVision once did.
Why would Tribune make its chief competitor more available?

- Trip
Financial Prosperity :)

Actually, the possibility of Me-TV airing over a WPIX subchannel may not be as far-fetched as it seems at first glance. First, Me-TV is actively seeking an opportunity to enter the New York City market so long as they can have access to the same MVPD distribution opportunities as their friendly rival Antenna TV. Second, Me-TV's owner Weigel owns 50% of ThisTV, which already airs over WPIX-DT3. Finally, from a programming standpoint, Me-TV complements ThisTV and Antenna TV. But if this happened, and all else stayed the same, I wouldn't expect to see any promotions for Me-TV on WPIX-DT4 ;)

I had to adjust my antenna outside because WCBS was hard to get.. now that I have it I've got problems with WNBC lol..

What I need is elevation but it's hard to do in a apartment on the first floor.. I need to go up about 20-30 Ft.

Because it's kind of cheaper to put a network u own on a station u own than pay WPIX for carriage. They will however lose every viewer they had. If they don't get cable carriage soon, they won't survive.

That was my point exactly, yes they will save lots by placing their network on their station, however, they will be giving up most of their off air viewers and all of their cable viewers. In looking at the big picture, it seems odd -- unless of course PIX refused to re-up with them, but since they are still on PIX makes it even more odd.

Thanks, Giacomo, that was exactly what I was thinking -- MeTV is a prefect complement to This and Antenna TV. I would not expect them to "sell" MeTV, however if viewers sample MeTV, I am sure they will also watch the other two channels. Here's what I don't get -- PIX has promotions for their news programming on 11.4, spots along with news and weather updates. However, I have never seen any promotion for Antenna TV on 11.1 -- or did I overlook those? Anyway, if if PIX doesn't add Me, I hope Fox 5 is planning on adding a sub as their sister station is in the process of adding Bounce.

A bunch of interesting tidbits about OTA viewers from this article dated today:

http://moneyland.time.com/2012/02/21/the-return-of-television-rabbit-ears/?iid=pf-article-latest

2.2 is hot!

Signal at times goes in and out.

Wish the picture would fill entire screen, as does NY Nonstop.

Still on 11.2 from my location. Perhaps it's leaving 11.2 were premature!

A bunch of interesting tidbits about OTA viewers from this article dated today:

http://moneyland.time.com/2012/02/21/the-return-of-television-rabbit-ears/?iid=pf-article-latest

I like this info they had on this site..."Still, the number of Americans who receive broadcast channels over the air is tiny, estimated at less than 10%."

So what is 10% of 315 million people? 30 plus million! That's not tiny as this writer wrote. That's more people than the population in many countries. Sure compared to those getting cable, Sat etc. it is small but that is still a lot of buying power!

2.2 is hot!

Signal at times goes in and out.

Wish the picture would fill entire screen, as does NY Nonstop.

filling the screen would look even more shi&*y than it does now

my tuning into cbs+ to see if it was live will be my first and last time, just like all the other horrible sub channels that i will never watch

I just tuned in and will pass judgement after I have had some more time seeing the programming.

My first impression is it sort of reminds me of NEWS12 NJ that Cablevision broadcasts.

The picture size is strange but I can adjust it with super stretch on my TV to fill up the screen better.

CBSNY+ is a 480i 16:9 video feed incorrectly formatted as 4:3 letterboxed before going to the encoder so the video is being letterboxed and stretched on a 16:9 screen when it should be full fame.
Here's a photo from the TV screen adjusted to the correct aspect ratio.
http://t.imgbox.com/aawmiiHL.jpg (http://imgbox.com/aawmiiHL)

It's only the first day but I don't find the channel to be useful if most of the content is recorded video segments can I get on the web. The graphics area takes up to much space.
The channel should be full screen video and let people go to CBSNewYork.com for the more information.

My aunt likes a Spanish Soap. I forget name or channel. She does not speak Spanish, but watches it anyway.

I tried putting the DTVpal on different Close Caption settings. I have not got ONE Spanish channel to work with any setting besides CC 1. I read that CC 2 or CC 3 would provide English Sub. I can not get it to work. I understand that not every program works with CC 3. Yet I had my aunt try CC with her Soap with no luck. Any suggestions?


I wish Spanish channels would have SAP like some English shows do for Spanish audiences.

The plan is to light up 2.2 tomorrow.

BTW Thank You very much Ken for the Heads up. You were right on the money.

My aunt likes a Spanish Soap. I forget name or channel. She does not speak Spanish, but watches it anyway.

I tried putting the DTVpal on different Close Caption settings. I have not got ONE Spanish channel to work with any setting besides CC 1. I read that CC 2 or CC 3 would provide English Sub. I can not get it to work. I understand that not every program works with CC 3. Yet I had my aunt try CC with her Soap with no luck. Any suggestions?


I wish Spanish channels would have SAP like some English shows do for Spanish audiences.

I have seen English language closed captioning on channels 41 and 47, though not on CC2 (those are analog captions) try the digital version. On my set they are labeled as Service (thus: Service 2 is in English) and are listed right after the CC options and before Text (which I have never seen in use by any station -- they could easily run news headlines there.) Hope that helps!

It's only the first day but I don't find the channel to be useful if most of the content is recorded video segments can I get on the web. The graphics area takes up to much space.
The channel should be full screen video and let people go to CBSNewYork.com for the more information.

I agree that the screen size is not optimal, however the wheel format is more annoying with top stories that run just three or four minutes and are repeated four times an hour.

Here is the wheel:

Minutes past the hour

00 Local news
05 Weather
07 Traffic
09 Sports
14 Local news
18 Weather
19 Traffic
23 World news from 1010 WINS
25 Feature (real estate)
30 Local news
35 Weather
37 Traffic
39 Sports
44 Local news
48 Weather
49 Traffic
50 Feature (tech)
53 Feature (dining)
55 Entertainment news

I noticed that sometimes when the "local conditions" are introduced in the weather report, we just see the radar. Temperatures for various areas in the tri-state don't always appear. The traffic report just displays maps and a handful of cameras -- none of the images are identified and there is no audio other than a music bed that is far too short (it ends and restarts each time).

With this format, no one is going to stay tuned in for more than a quarter hour. Too little content and too much repetition. At this point, they make News 12 look good.

:(

I agree that the screen size is not optimal, however the wheel format is more annoying with top stories that run just three or four minutes and are repeated four times an hour.

Here is the wheel:

Minutes past the hour

00 Local news
05 Weather
07 Traffic
09 Sports
14 Local news
18 Weather
19 Traffic
23 World news from 1010 WINS
25 Feature (real estate)
30 Local news
35 Weather
37 Traffic
39 Sports
44 Local news
48 Weather
49 Traffic
50 Feature (tech)
53 Feature (dining)
55 Entertainment news

I noticed that sometimes when the "local conditions" are introduced in the weather report, we just see the radar. Temperatures for various areas in the tri-state don't always appear. The traffic report just displays maps and a handful of cameras -- none of the images are identified and there is no audio other than a music bed that is far too short (it ends and restarts each time).

With this format, no one is going to stay tuned in for more than a quarter hour. Too little content and too much repetition. At this point, they make News 12 look good.

:(
Yes News 12 seems to have the niche. They beat Cbs + and Fios 1

You would not think it would be too hard to a get simple channel to look and work correctly

Yes News 12 seems to have the niche. They beat Cbs + and Fios 1

You would not think it would be too hard to a get simple channel to look and work correctly

Its week 1. Give it some time. Took NBC non stop like a year to get aspect ratio correct.

Just saw 2.2 is live and yeah the graphics on the right side are too large for the channel

32-1 CCTV Ne 720x480i 30Hz DolbyStereo English Asiatic/Regional News from China/Tibet, Philipines, Turkey etc.
32-2 CCTV4 720x480 30Hz D.Stereo non English chinese dialects
32-3 CCTV Sp 720x480i 30Hz D.Stereo non English chinese
Sometime the signal is solid 40% locked, as KenH said and Trip would have said, to deliver 100% reception in your TV, but other times too weak going to 0 with pixelation

Interesting piece from the Wall Stree Journal. It may have been posted before. Got the link from Solid Signal. I also saw something where antenna retailers are doing a booming business. They are selling antennas like crazy. So anyone saying OTA is dying is way wrong. It would appear it is growing by leaps and bounds and will emerge as a force to be reckoned with in the future! When you click on the link it will take you to a WSJ video and just click play button.

http://www.solidsignal.com/p/?p=3123&utm_campaign=email_7reasons_inhouse&utm_medium=email&utm_source=inhouse&location=01

Hey AloEuro,
32-1 CCTV Ne 720x480i 30Hz DolbyStereo English Asiatic/Regional News from China/Tibet, Philipines, Turkey etc.
32-2 CCTV4 720x480 30Hz D.Stereo non English chinese dialects
32-3 CCTV Sp 720x480i 30Hz D.Stereo non English chinese
Sometime the signal is solid 40% locked, as KenH said and Trip would have said, to deliver 100% reception in your TV, but other times too weak going to 0 with pixelation
Thanks for the reception report! Glad to hear WXNY-LD is back on the air and with multiple program streams. I notice signal activity on WNYX-LD channel 35, but unfortunately have always been unable to decode the former "Island LDs" Can you please check to see if channel 35 is on the air with the same CCTV programming?

WRNN-TV Kingston Update: WRNN-TV has added a new subchannel on 48-5. NHK World TV has recently joined the WRNN-TV broadcast lineup. NHK World is the international broadcasting service of NHK (Nippon Hōsō Kyōkai - Japan Broadcasting Corporation), Japan's public broadcaster. NHK WORLD TV provides NHK’s news and information programs in English.

As with each of its streams, the PSIP TVCT IDs with the call letters as WRNN-D5. It is SD with a 3:4 static aspect-ratio. No program guide information is available for any WRNN-TV channel.

has anyone noticed channel 9 has added another sub station :confused:, funny they all seam to air the same thing during the day hours but last night 9-3 had a movie while 9-1-2 played the same stuff as always. Yeah CBS has fianly added a sub station :eek:, i guess that has all you sub station haters pissed :mad:

has anyone noticed channel 9 has added another sub station :confused:, funny they all seam to air the same thing during the day hours but last night 9-3 had a movie while 9-1-2 played the same stuff as always. Yeah CBS has fianly added a sub station :eek:, i guess that has all you sub station haters pissed :mad:

9.3 is supposed to be BOUNCE TV. But the programing is just a copy of 9.1 and 9.2. We are hoping they will broadcast BOUNCE TV programing soon.

http://www.bouncetv.com/


2.2 is CBS PLUS It is NEWS, WEATHER, SPORTS, TRAFFIC

So far it is the same news all day. Some complained that it is the same news they could get over the internet in two minutes. Also they do not update the news and repeat the old news all day.

For the older viewers it is a good add on station. Every ten minutes you get the local weather. It is similar to news 12

9.3 is Bounce and is tranmitting its programming.

Noticed this as of yesterday and just checked it out - it's Bounce.

I can verify the following new adds/deletions/change from my location as of now:

2-2 CBSNY+ (add)
9-3 Bounce (add)
23-4 test pattern (change)
24-1 no signal (change)
47-2 Exitos (add)
47-3 SOI (add)
48-5 NHK World (add)
63-7 Aliento (add)
63-8 WDNJ (move)
63-9 KCBN (move)

as for the new signals on RF 32, from here I see 0 signal strength even though the Longley-Rice plots have my location as yellow-green. oh well...

For at least two or three days, I have not been able to receive/decode NJTV (channel 50) at all, when I previously had stellar reception of this channel. All other channels are still coming in fine.

I even just went and checked the antenna connection with my spectrum analyzer. This station, as well as every other that I can normally receive, has a good, strong, CLEAN signal - meaning no signs of multipath or noise, as per the analyzer's signal strength, carrier-to-noise ratio and error rate measurements. Even the spectrum chart of the channel looks great. I SHOULD be receiving this station just fine.

But still, I can't decode anything on the station.

Note that I am using a home theater PC, with tuners built by Hauppauge. Captured files are being recorded, but can't be decoded for watching or format conversion. Again, every other station is working fine for me.

Are any others having trouble viewing this station?

9.3 is Bounce and is tranmitting its programming.

Noticed this as of yesterday and just checked it out - it's Bounce.

Yea I was told it started today ,but I guess it could be yesterday

For at least two or three days, I have not been able to receive/decode NJTV (channel 50) at all, when I previously had stellar reception of this channel. All other channels are still coming in fine.

I even just went and checked the antenna connection with my spectrum analyzer. This station, as well as every other that I can normally receive, has a good, strong, CLEAN signal - meaning no signs of multipath or noise, as per the analyzer's signal strength, carrier-to-noise ratio and error rate measurements. Even the spectrum chart of the channel looks great. I SHOULD be receiving this station just fine.

But still, I can't decode anything on the station.

Note that I am using a home theater PC, with tuners built by Hauppauge. Captured files are being recorded, but can't be decoded for watching or format conversion. Again, every other station is working fine for me.

Are any others having trouble viewing this station?

I just noticed that myself a little while ago just killing time channel surfing.

Seems to be isolated to Ch. 50. Sister station Ch. 58 decodes fine.

9.3 is Bounce and is tranmitting its programming.

Noticed this as of yesterday and just checked it out - it's Bounce.

Heard there were some movies too. Anything good to watch?

You be the judge -

http://www.bouncetv.com/

You be the judge -

http://www.bouncetv.com/

Was asking your opinion

My taste has nothing to do with yours.

Why don't you look at the schedule and watch the channel.

I have found most sub-channels a waste of bandwidth and time.

So I'm prejudiced against them!!!!

Of the 4 (OR WAS IT 5?) OTA "lost" channels, Tuff TV, RTV, drive in tv, & Hot TV channel, the latter (which is back) is the WORSE of the 4!!!:mad: I don't even bother to watch it much except the cartoons. I miss the classic car shows, Starsky & Hutch, 70's the comedy shop, etc. on the other channels.:(
WILL ANY OF THEM EVER COME BACK TO NORTHERN NJ?:confused:
I can ONLY pick up Hot tv channel with the magnavox dig to anal converter & with the Big Lots $10 rabbit ears with adjustable signal dial.
I can NOT pick up hot tv with my Zinwell converter or any other antenna - including roof antennas. & I am only 12 miles from NYC.:eek: Go figure. lol
Thank goodness for the THIS network & antenna tv.
& with 100% signal strength & 100% signal quality, I still get macroblocking
all of a sudden say every 10 minutes for a few seconds & then goes away.:eek:
My dad says reception was a lot more consistent in 1949 lmao.
BRING BACK ANALOG.
I am going to keep my 32" TUBE toshiba tv. I still use VCR to record.:p
& all the programs (& movies too) are in the old aspect ratio ON ANT TV & THIS NETWORK.:D
ANY PLANS FOR MOVIES TO GO TO LETTERBOX ON THESE CHANNELS?:confused:
CAN THE BLACK BANDS ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS PICTURE USING A MORE RECTANGULAR MODERN SET CAUSE BURN IN ON LED, LCD OR PLASMA SETS?
I intend to keep my tube set till it breaks, or the classic tv channels go under, whichever comes 1st.
INTERESTING QUESTION - IF I GET A NEW FLAT TV WITH DIGITAL TUNER, OBVIOUSLY I CAN NOT RECORD FROM THIS TV'S TUNER WITH MY VCR, BUT IF I USE MY DIGITAL TO ANALOG CONVERTER & RECORD, CAN I PLAY BACK AN ANALOG SIGNAL ON THESE NEW TV'S? I HAVE SEVERAL VCR'S IN GOOD WORKING ORDER.
& DVR'S ARE NOT CHEAP.
I AM cheap. lol:D

On my TV I have 100% signal strength on channel 50 but it says "audio only" on my TV and I hear the audio perfectly - just no picture. Anybody know what is going on? I see comments below indicating that others are having problems with this channel as well.

On my TV I have 100% signal strength on channel 50 but it says "audio only" on my TV and I hear the audio perfectly - just no picture. Anybody know what is going on? I see comments below indicating that others are having problems with this channel as well.

Interesting that you can pick up the audio. With my home theater PC, captured streams from this channel simply don't decode, whether for live viewing or for DVR functions. But they will capture into a file.

I have some file analysis tools that I'll try to use against a new stream capture. Will report back later.

On my TV I have 100% signal strength on channel 50 but it says "audio only" on my TV and I hear the audio perfectly - just no picture. Anybody know what is going on? I see comments below indicating that others are having problems with this channel as well.

Here's a thought.

Channel 50.1 is WNJN-DT, but the station has a sub-channel - 50.3 which is
NJ Audiovision, an audio only channel.

Could it be that you're tuning into 50.3 instead of 50.1?

I have some file analysis tools that I'll try to use against a new stream capture. Will report back later.

So much for that.

A typical 1/2 hour program is usually a few gigabytes in size. I just tried a fresh capture, and it came out to only a few megabytes.

One of the captured-file analysis tools that I have - a freeware program called MPEG2Repair - can usually show me the error rates and error types in captured files. But it can't even identify a program ID in the stream.

In other words, I can't add anything more to this diagnostic effort.

INTERESTING QUESTION - IF I GET A NEW FLAT TV WITH DIGITAL TUNER, OBVIOUSLY I CAN NOT RECORD FROM THIS TV'S TUNER WITH MY VCR, BUT IF I USE MY DIGITAL TO ANALOG CONVERTER & RECORD, CAN I PLAY BACK AN ANALOG SIGNAL ON THESE NEW TV'S? I HAVE SEVERAL VCR'S IN GOOD WORKING ORDER.
& DVR'S ARE NOT CHEAP.
I AM cheap. lol:D
Yes, you certainly can connect a VCR's yellow composite video out to a corresponding video input on a modern TV. Also, the same with the red and white audio connections. Do be aware that the picture will not look as good on a HDTV as your old tube set. I would keep that old 32 inch tube as long as you are intersted in older shows and sub-channels with the use of a VCR.

Here's a thought.

Channel 50.1 is WNJN-DT, but the station has a sub-channel - 50.3 which is
NJ Audiovision, an audio only channel.

Could it be that you're tuning into 50.3 instead of 50.1?

50.1 now has no audio or picture. This is with 100% signal sterngth. Obviously something going on there.

50.1 now has no audio or picture. This is with 100% signal sterngth. Obviously something going on there.

there also is now 51.1 showing NJTV

Could it be a PSIP error effecting some TVs and Tuners?
I did a channel search on my Insignia TV Saturday and NJTV-HD showed up on 51.1 with no PSIP ID and NJTV-AV showed up on 50.1 with a PSIP ID of NJTV.
On the Samsung TV the locations are still correct on 50.1 NJTV-HD and 50.3 NJTV-AV after doing a rescan.

I've noticed something similar with WNYE. My Insignia TV correctly maps the channels to their PSIP locations of 25.1 and 25.2.
The Samsung TV does not receive the PSIP information has them on 24.3 and 24.4.

Could it be a PSIP error effecting some TVs and Tuners?

It apparently wasn't "some TVs and Tuners." It was widespread. Some time before midnight last night, the problem was resolved.

It apparently wasn't "some TVs and Tuners." It was widespread. Some time before midnight last night, the problem was resolved.

Yesterday early afternoon I was at my mom's house trying to do a rescan on her TV to pick up the new subs for her and I could not get the 2 NJ PBS she usually receives 50.1 and 58.1. Not only that but her RCA converter box was actually freezing up during the scan for new channelsI tried about 30 scans and they all froze at the same spot.

When I went home I also found that the NJ PBS stations were gone. They were back at night.

Today I will go back to moms and try the scan again.

Hey AloEuro,

Thanks for the reception report! Glad to hear WXNY-LD is back on the air and with multiple program streams. I notice signal activity on WNYX-LD channel 35, but unfortunately have always been unable to decode the former "Island LDs" Can you please check to see if channel 35 is on the air with the same CCTV programming?

WRNN-TV Kingston Update: WRNN-TV has added a new subchannel on 48-5. NHK World TV has recently joined the WRNN-TV broadcast lineup. NHK World is the international broadcasting service of NHK (Nippon Hōsō Kyōkai - Japan Broadcasting Corporation), Japan's public broadcaster. NHK WORLD TV provides NHK’s news and information programs in English.

As with each of its streams, the PSIP TVCT IDs with the call letters as WRNN-D5. It is SD with a 3:4 static aspect-ratio. No program guide
information is available for any WRNN-TV channel.
Ch. 35 - 1,2,3 are identical to 32 -1,2,3 the 32ch. has stronger signal, the 35ch. is so bad I had to edit it out.
Correction -32-3 CCTV Sp apparently means Espanol, on 32-3 I have seen Chinese movie/serial with Spanish subtitles

I am going to keep my 32" TUBE toshiba tv. I still use VCR to record.:p
& I HAVE SEVERAL VCR'S IN GOOD WORKING ORDER.
& DVR'S ARE NOT CHEAP . Many people don't realize that for record keeping -not PQ- VCR tapes are superior to computer generated DVD copies, the fact that VHS tapes are rolled,100's rolls make the electromagnetic print preserved as compared to flat open DVD disk

last time i checked, 9-3 was still wwor

Could it be a PSIP error effecting some TVs and Tuners?
I did a channel search on my Insignia TV Saturday and NJTV-HD showed up on 51.1 with no PSIP ID and NJTV-AV showed up on 50.1 with a PSIP ID of NJTV.
On the Samsung TV the locations are still correct on 50.1 NJTV-HD and 50.3 NJTV-AV after doing a rescan.

I've noticed something similar with WNYE. My Insignia TV correctly maps the channels to their PSIP locations of 25.1 and 25.2.
The Samsung TV does not receive the PSIP information has them on 24.3 and 24.4.

Your speculation about a PSIP error was correct.

Yesterday morning, I sent a message to the Director of Engineering at WNET/NJTV/WLIW. He replied a little while ago:

Thank you for your email yesterday describing the problem you were
seeing with Channel 50 out of Montclair. We were experiencing issues
with the PSIP generation which resulted in some tuners not able to
receive and decode the signal properly. We were able to get this
resolved later in the afternoon at about 4:00 pm. Please let me know if
your problem has been resolved as I believe it has been. I would also be
interested in knowing which receiver or television set you were using.

Nice of him to reply. I'm just glad it's fixed.

What is going on with WWOR? Earlier today I was able to see WWOR-3 and now it's gone. It doesn't even appear on some of my sets, as though they've stopped broadcasting an HD-3 signal.(this on a variety of ADSC tuners) On top of that, WWOR-1 doesn't exist. All I receive is a blank screen. I get WWOR-2 and as said untill this evening WWOR-3 was solid. Obviously there are problems because they are the only full power NY signal I'm having trouble with. Channel 50 has also disappeared, but wher they had a great signal in analog, they've never had a goood digital signal here, which is about 20 miles at most from their tower.

Of the 4 (OR WAS IT 5?) OTA "lost" channels, Tuff TV, RTV, drive in tv, & Hot TV channel, the latter (which is back) is the WORSE of the 4!!!:mad: I don't even bother to watch it much except the cartoons. I miss the classic car shows, Starsky & Hutch, 70's the comedy shop, etc. on the other channels.:(
WILL ANY OF THEM EVER COME BACK TO NORTHERN NJ?:confused:
I can ONLY pick up Hot tv channel with the magnavox dig to anal converter & with the Big Lots $10 rabbit ears with adjustable signal dial.
I can NOT pick up hot tv with my Zinwell converter or any other antenna - including roof antennas. & I am only 12 miles from NYC.:eek: Go figure. lol
Thank goodness for the THIS network & antenna tv.
& with 100% signal strength & 100% signal quality, I still get macroblocking
all of a sudden say every 10 minutes for a few seconds & then goes away.:eek:
My dad says reception was a lot more consistent in 1949 lmao.
BRING BACK ANALOG.
I am going to keep my 32" TUBE toshiba tv. I still use VCR to record.:p
& all the programs (& movies too) are in the old aspect ratio ON ANT TV & THIS NETWORK.:D
ANY PLANS FOR MOVIES TO GO TO LETTERBOX ON THESE CHANNELS?:confused:
CAN THE BLACK BANDS ON EITHER SIDE OF THIS PICTURE USING A MORE RECTANGULAR MODERN SET CAUSE BURN IN ON LED, LCD OR PLASMA SETS?
I intend to keep my tube set till it breaks, or the classic tv channels go under, whichever comes 1st.
INTERESTING QUESTION - IF I GET A NEW FLAT TV WITH DIGITAL TUNER, OBVIOUSLY I CAN NOT RECORD FROM THIS TV'S TUNER WITH MY VCR, BUT IF I USE MY DIGITAL TO ANALOG CONVERTER & RECORD, CAN I PLAY BACK AN ANALOG SIGNAL ON THESE NEW TV'S? I HAVE SEVERAL VCR'S IN GOOD WORKING ORDER.
& DVR'S ARE NOT CHEAP.
I AM cheap. lol:D

Providing that your new TV has a composite video input (and analog audio in), yes...you can output your VCR to the TV. But be careful because not all new TVs have these analog inputs anymore - both TVs and receivers are starting to dump legacy connections. Few new components have s-video anymore, for example. My 2011 Sony TV has an accessory dongle (that was included with the set) that plugs into an accessory port and includes a composite and a component input.

But after you live with HDTV for a bit, you won't want to. Because even though you're living with SD today, it's going to really look like crap in comparison and you won't want to watch it.

As for reception, I'm in Queens without line of site to the Empire State Building living in a six-story building. I never thought our roof antenna would pick up HDTV signals, but I get perfect reception on every OTA channel. We're not far from the ESB (only about 7 miles), but as I said, no line of site.

And yes, reception might have been more consistent in 1949, but it was consistently bad. And there were far fewer tall buildings to bounce signals off of and get ghost images. The fact is that fewer than 15% of the population today gets their signal today OTA and the Government wants that bandwidth back and it's going to be making offers to OTA stations to buy it back so it can be used for cell phone bandwidth. I don't think the big stations in NYC, Los Angeles, Chicago, San Francisco, etc., will sell back their bandwidth, but a whole slew of smaller stations will take the money and run.

What is going on with WWOR? Earlier today I was able to see WWOR-3 and now it's gone. It doesn't even appear on some of my sets, as though they've stopped broadcasting an HD-3 signal.(this on a variety of ADSC tuners) On top of that, WWOR-1 doesn't exist. All I receive is a blank screen. I get WWOR-2 and as said untill this evening WWOR-3 was solid. Obviously there are problems because they are the only full power NY signal I'm having trouble with. Channel 50 has also disappeared, but wher they had a great signal in analog, they've never had a goood digital signal here, which is about 20 miles at most from their tower.

Earlier Monday I noticed the same thing that all I could tune in was 9.2.
Did a rescan and 9.1, 9.2 and 9.3 were there.

First, I meant to type ATSC tuner, so sorry for the mistake. I did a rescan and 9-3 actually disappeared from my available channels list. It appears that WWOR is not broadcasting an OTA HD signal. Looking at their webpage shows that there is no contact info.

Just checked and this is what I'm receiving OTA:

9.1 - 720p

9.2 - 480i

9.3 - Bounce - 480i

currently wwor and wnyw are no longer simulcasting each other in sd on x.2

wnyw hd is 5.1
wnyw sd is 5.2 (use to be wwor sd)

wwor hd is 9.1
wwor sd is 9.2 (use to be wnyw sd)
bounce is 9.3

CBS programming for their new sub 2.2 is doomed to failure. I tuned in late Sunday night to get a sports update and what I got was a review of the daytime sports schedule of games that already played many hours earlier and for which they should have been giving scores. This is very poor programming and something you would expect from a low budget college facility.

Quite frankly I was looking forward to the format expecting I could drop in on the station periodically and get an update on the weather, sports and news and not have to wait for the 6, 10 or 11 PM news. Considering that CBS has the resources of WINS 1010, CBS 880, and CBS NY TV it is hard to understand how they can run such stale news, weather and sports programming.

By the way this note is being sent to CBS too but will probably go in a black hole like the rest of my notes to them.

currently wwor and wnyw are no longer simulcasting each other in sd on x.2

wnyw hd is 5.1
wnyw sd is 5.2 (use to be wwor sd)

wwor hd is 9.1
wwor sd is 9.2 (use to be wnyw sd)
bounce is 9.3

Thanks for the update! I just happen to be at my moms over the weekend and did a scan of stations and all kinds of issues cropped up with her RCA Converter BOX. I thought it was the box as it froze up after scanning 61% of the frequencies. Sunday I worked on it again and when it froze at 61% I pulled the anntenna feed in and it started scanning again and I put the feed back in right away to pick up stations beyond the 61%. When it was done scanning there were no 5.1 and 9.2 channels. I thought I lost them but now feel better after reading your note. However something caused the RCA box to freeze on us. The work around I tried at least got her all of her stations back except for 1 as far as I can tell. Even NJN 50.1. NJ 58.1 is not there now for some reason.

I'll try again this week to see if the RCA box is dying or if there was some OTA feed that was causing it to freeeze up over the weekend that has now been fixed.

currently wwor and wnyw are no longer simulcasting each other in sd on x.2

wnyw hd is 5.1
wnyw sd is 5.2 (use to be wwor sd)

wwor hd is 9.1
wwor sd is 9.2 (use to be wnyw sd)
bounce is 9.3
Checking this on 2-28-12 at 4:30PM: This is false. There has been no change. The simulcasting continues in the same manner as it has been.
Thanks for the update! I just happen to be at my moms over the weekend and did a scan of stations and all kinds of issues cropped up with her RCA Converter BOX. I thought it was the box as it froze up after scanning 61% of the frequencies. Sunday I worked on it again and when it froze at 61% I pulled the anntenna feed in and it started scanning again and I put the feed back in right away to pick up stations beyond the 61%. When it was done scanning there were no 5.1 and 9.2 channels. I thought I lost them but now feel better after reading your note. However something caused the RCA box to freeze on us. The work around I tried at least got her all of her stations back except for 1 as far as I can tell. Even NJN 50.1. NJ 58.1 is not there now for some reason.

I'll try again this week to see if the RCA box is dying or if there was some OTA feed that was causing it to freeeze up over the weekend that has now been fixed.
Len, it is possible that at the time of your scan, RF 44 was off-air for some reason. As to the NJTV situation, rothe has reported that an NJTV engineer confirmed a PSIP generation error.

It is also worth noting that the recent changing weather pattern could have interrupted typical reception patterns. On Sunday night up until shortly after 8AM Monday morning, I had near uninterrupted reception of WDVB-LD, WTBY-TV and WRNN-TV. These visitors drop in on me from time to time, but rarely stick around long enough to make themselves comfortable. But Sunday night they were coming in pretty strong, about 75% at least. Once the weather pattern changed on Monday, not only did I lose them, I also briefly lost WEBR-CD and WKOB-LD, though I suspect the latter was also due to errant impulse noise.

WDVB-LD Edison Update: While there has been no change to the lineup on this low-power channel 23 operation, it is worth noting that 23-4 MATV is now an SMPTE test pattern under which you can barely hear the audio from 23-3 SAB TV. I suspect the test pattern is due to an issue with the transmission of Midlands Asian Television (MATV) to WDVB-LD, though I cannot determine whether this issue is caused by MATV or WDVB-LD. The good news is that the audio issues on 23-3 which prevented monaural receivers from adequately reproducing the sound have apparently been resolved.

Anyone seen Trip in VA?

If he sees this. I was wondering if he knew what other Sub-channels or Sub-changes we could expect this year 2012.

Now that CBS 2.2 and 9.3 Bounce Tv are up and running.

Can we expect anything else?

For example will NBC fill the void on 4.4?

Thanks Trip

Can we expect anything else?

KIN TV is signed with Fox whenever they get that up and running.

For example will NBC fill the void on 4.4?

No.

- Trip

Giacomo,

Yes all is back to normal. I saw that later.... after I posted and did a scan at my house. Whatever happened it was strange.

I found that when I moved my antenna a little to the west, WWOR 1, 2 & 3 returned. Considering the fact that all other NY stations have very strong signals and channel 9 used to be very strong as well (it's now only 2 bars-whatever that really means, where most NY stations are 5 bars). It's very odd because until a day or so ago I was able to receive WWOR 2 & 3 with no problem with the antenna in my attic. The antenna boom length is a little over 6 feet, so it's not a small TV antenna.

Giacomo,

What antenna are you using to be able to receive wtby, wkob, wrnn and webr at times? And can you receive wsah, wliw and wlny (RF 47 or 45)? And does anyone in this forum know of a good indoor antenna to get that might receive these channels transmitting from the ESB that Giacomo speaks of. I'm about 5miles west of the ESB and I have no issues receiving all the other major networks using a bow-tie or rabbit ears indoor antenna.

ch.CBS 2 -2 has amateur format for small screen TV, ch.ABC 7-3 had much better format
2-2 uses 5 to 7days horizontally the present day and next day are not seen and only the following days are shown on weather report, idiots.
ch.ABC 7 - 3 used to have vertical format, easy to see and to discern.

KIN TV is signed with Fox whenever they get that up and running.



No.

- Trip

First of all thanks. Now I have something to ask the board over and over and over. Just joking.

The website looks simple. Not much there,but a flash intro and a little video. I can't really tell what it is. Or what KIN has to do with Rocky 3 as they shown in the video.

Just one follow up question. The only channel my aunt can not get. That she would like to get is WLIW 21 . Any chance there will be a NYC repeater this year? It is a shame they do not do that. Or maybe a huge boost in signal?

Icemannyr, I have the same issue with my Samsung tv set with virtual channel 25 mapping to 24.3 and 24.4. Also, when I'm able to pick WRNN at times, channel 48 would disappear for several hours during the course of the day and then reappear. My Zenith DTV converter box does not have these two issues. However, now when subchannels 48.1-4 disappears, my Samsung set is able to lock on to 48.5 (NHK World) and this sub was recently added. Does anyone know why this is happening? My Samsung set was manufactured in 2008 and the Samsung 2009 model does not have the mapping issue for virtual channel 25. I don't know if the 2009 model has issues with WRNN because my friend has this set and cannot receive WRNN because of her location.

currently wwor and wnyw are no longer simulcasting each other in sd on x.2

wnyw hd is 5.1
wnyw sd is 5.2 (use to be wwor sd)

wwor hd is 9.1
wwor sd is 9.2 (use to be wnyw sd)
bounce is 9.3

regardless of what giacomo claims
this is still the case for me
2-29-12
2:27PM

The guide data for 5.2 says "WNYW simulcast on WWOR-TV Transmitter" and 9.2 says "WWOR-TV simulcast on WNYW Transmitter".

With all of the changes lately does anyone have a current list of how much bandwidth each channel is transmitting?

regardless of what giacomo claims
this is still the case for me
2-29-12
2:27PM

U and only u. 5 & 9 simulcast each other in SD to supplement each others coverage just like 41 & 68.

U and only u. 5 & 9 simulcast each other in SD to supplement each others coverage just like 41 & 68.

Same here. Fox 5's SD backup is broadcast from WWOR's transmitter, they just adjust the PSIP to 5.2. It causes my converter box to act strangely, as someone mentioned earlier for their RCA box. I have a Craig digital to analog box, and it also stops at 61% with each scan. Apparently the flip of of channel numbering causes the box to freeze. I do not get Fox 5 nor the back up of WWOR. The simulcasts of 41 and 68 don't have this problem as they don't flip the PSIPs this way. I have not tried unplugging the antenna, but will give that a shot. How much longer will WNYW be transmitting 5.1 and 9.2 and the other way around for WWOR? I also have issues with WNYE on my Samsung TV appearing on 24. WNYE did respond some time ago that they are looking at the problem.

U and only u. 5 & 9 simulcast each other in SD to supplement each others coverage just like 41 & 68.

nope
not just me
that would be highly improbable

and no, i am not going to rescan
nor do i really care what is on the subs
was just pointing it out to the poster who had channel issues

Giacomo,

What antenna are you using to be able to receive wtby, wkob, wrnn and webr at times? And can you receive wsah, wliw and wlny (RF 47 or 45)? And does anyone in this forum know of a good indoor antenna to get that might receive these channels transmitting from the ESB that Giacomo speaks of. I'm about 5miles west of the ESB and I have no issues receiving all the other major networks using a bow-tie or rabbit ears indoor antenna.
An indoor antenna of any kind will prove insufficient for the reception you speak of. I use a large outdoor antenna with long VHF-Lo elements intended to receive stations from up to 200 miles away. However, I have it in my attic as opposed to outside.

My problem is elevation, which is approximately 45 feet. You wouldn't believe how many low-powers I see with a trace of signal that I suspect would decode if only I was at higher elevation :( And when I've tried using an amplifier, I've only impeded my reliable reception of existing stations.

As to WLIW and WLNY-TV, I again see a trace of signal that is too low to decode. As to WSAH-TV, I do not receive any trace of that signal whatsoever.

CBS programming for their new sub 2.2 is doomed to failure. I tuned in late Sunday night to get a sports update and what I got was a review of the daytime sports schedule of games that already played many hours earlier and for which they should have been giving scores. This is very poor programming and something you would expect from a low budget college facility.

Quite frankly I was looking forward to the format expecting I could drop in on the station periodically and get an update on the weather, sports and news and not have to wait for the 6, 10 or 11 PM news. Considering that CBS has the resources of WINS 1010, CBS 880, and CBS NY TV it is hard to understand how they can run such stale news, weather and sports programming.

By the way this note is being sent to CBS too but will probably go in a black hole like the rest of my notes to them.

I tuned in late Saturday afternoon and saw a tape of the weekday anchors still running. By Sunday afternoon, the weekend anchors added an update which was all of one minute followed by more from the weekday anchors. One to four minutes of news is far too little. Airing the same headlines all day is too repetitive, not to mention all weekend. By the way, the 24 concept isn't correct -- children's programming aired on Sunday morning. I guess you can get your news fix from Sunday Morning, Face the Nation, etc...

Same here. Fox 5's SD backup is broadcast from WWOR's transmitter, they just adjust the PSIP to 5.2. It causes my converter box to act strangely, as someone mentioned earlier for their RCA box. I have a Craig digital to analog box, and it also stops at 61% with each scan. Apparently the flip of of channel numbering causes the box to freeze. I do not get Fox 5 nor the back up of WWOR. The simulcasts of 41 and 68 don't have this problem as they don't flip the PSIPs this way. I have not tried unplugging the antenna, but will give that a shot. How much longer will WNYW be transmitting 5.1 and 9.2 and the other way around for WWOR? I also have issues with WNYE on my Samsung TV appearing on 24. WNYE did respond some time ago that they are looking at the problem.

NYC, I have the same issue with my samsung set (2008 model). What year is your model? My friend has the 2009 model and does not have this mapping problem. I believe that it's from Samsung's end. Do you pick up WRNN (ch.48), and if so, do you have issues locking on to the channel?

An indoor antenna of any kind will prove insufficient for the reception you speak of. I use a large outdoor antenna with long VHF-Lo elements intended to receive stations from up to 200 miles away. However, I have it in my attic as opposed to outside.

My problem is elevation, which is approximately 45 feet. You wouldn't believe how many low-powers I see with a trace of signal that I suspect would decode if only I was at higher elevation :( And when I've tried using an amplifier, I've only impeded my reliable reception of existing stations.

As to WLIW and WLNY-TV, I again see a trace of signal that is too low to decode. As to WSAH-TV, I do not receive any trace of that signal whatsoever.

My single bow-tie antenna picks up all the major English and Spanish local networks in addition to WMBC, WFME, WASA and WDVB. It also picks up WRNN and WPXO (ch. 34) only when it's hooked up to my Zenith DTA converter box. But when I hook it up to my Samsung's digital tuner, it usually doesn't pick it up and then sometimes it doesn't lock on to 48.1-4, but it locks on to 48.5 if it detects a signal. That's why I was asking if anyone knows of a better indoor antenna w/o amplification to try and get these low powered stations.

for 3 dB improvement get double bow tie for $12:
http://www.summitsource.com/channel-master-4149-indoor-uhf-hd-antenna-digital-bow-tie-tv-aerial-cm4149-allegro-local-signal-television-reception-gold-reflector-screen-with-balun-transformer-part-cm4149-p-7193.html

NYC, I have the same issue with my samsung set (2008 model). What year is your model? My friend has the 2009 model and does not have this mapping problem. I believe that it's from Samsung's end. Do you pick up WRNN (ch.48), and if so, do you have issues locking on to the channel?

Fiddlerontheroof:

I know I purchased the set in 2009. The model is 2333HD-TV/MTR. It is actually a computer monitor with analog, digital and cable QAM TV tuners. Aside from that one minor problem with WNYE, it works perfectly.

I was able to tune in WRNN only once, and even then it was a very weak signal, using an outdoor antenna, for me in the north east Bronx.

When I have a moment this weekend, I will try rescanning my Craig converter and see if I can get past 61% by detaching the antenna. I am convinced that it freezes when it comes upon channels 5.1 and 9.2 emanating from the same transmitter. I have heard that some other boxes that do process those channels, do it in an odd way by placing 5.2 first, as it is RF 38, then 5.1 at RF 44.

for 3 dB improvement get double bow tie for $12:
http://www.summitsource.com/channel-master-4149-indoor-uhf-hd-antenna-digital-bow-tie-tv-aerial-cm4149-allegro-local-signal-television-reception-gold-reflector-screen-with-balun-transformer-part-cm4149-p-7193.html

Thanks DTVintermods, but I've actually tried that one with no luck in receiving the low powered stations.

Fiddlerontheroof:

I know I purchased the set in 2009. The model is 2333HD-TV/MTR. It is actually a computer monitor with analog, digital and cable QAM TV tuners. Aside from that one minor problem with WNYE, it works perfectly.

I was able to tune in WRNN only once, and even then it was a very weak signal, using an outdoor antenna, for me in the north east Bronx.

When I have a moment this weekend, I will try rescanning my Craig converter and see if I can get past 61% by detaching the antenna. I am convinced that it freezes when it comes upon channels 5.1 and 9.2 emanating from the same transmitter. I have heard that some other boxes that do process those channels, do it in an odd way by placing 5.2 first, as it is RF 38, then 5.1 at RF 44.

My mom's RCA converter box was freezing at 61% and I finally decided to simply pull the antenna feed momentarily till it started scanning again and then I quickly attached it again (the feed is a push on coax) and I picked up everything except 5.1 and 58.1 for some strange reason. I will probably do a scan again in a week or so to see if the issue has corrected itself. She is happy and does not know the difference between 5.1 and 5.2. On an analog TV it doesn't matter.

Was asking your opinion

Looking at the web site would sum it up in word CRAP!

What is on 13-5 ?

Looking at the web site would sum it up in word CRAP!

What is on 13-5 ?

Trick question?

"What is on 13-5 ?"

According to RabbitEars, Artifact of Update TV - not showing programming.

WABC needs to give bandwidth from 7.2 back to 7.1 and drop the SD feed on 7.3.
I did a 57min recording of WABC-DT 7.1 this morning and the total file size was only 3.8 GB which is way to small.
Since WNBC dropped 4.2 an hour recording of WNBC-DT 4.1 is now around 6.5 GB, about 2.7 GB more then WABC 7.1.

Here's the info from the recording,
Type: MPEG transport stream
Duration: 0:57:07
Data Size: 3.55 GB
Bit Rate: 8.90 Mbps
Video Tracks: 1984 MPEG-2, 1280 × 720, 16:9, 59.94 fps, 24.00 Mbps, progressive
Audio Tracks: 1985 AC3 3/2, 48 kHz, 384 kbps
Stream Files: Video 008.m2t (3.55 GB)

Anybody else having ongoing problems receiving NJTV 50.1? Unlike last time, the PSIP *may be OK* because I can pick up SOMETHING, but for about a week now it's been too weak to record a complete program without dozens of dropouts.

Just an update: I checked this signal with my spectrum analyzer, and again, I have a good, strong signal with no evidence of noise or multipath. I suspect that the problem is upstream of the transmitter, and may again be PSIP-related.

Anybody else having ongoing problems receiving NJTV 50.1? Unlike last time, the PSIP *may be OK* because I can pick up SOMETHING, but for about a week now it's been too weak to record a complete program without dozens of dropouts.

You did not get any feedback so I will chime in. I had a problem a few weeks back as reported but so far it seems to be back OK. Everything I have tried to record seems to be good. I do watch/record quite a few shows on NJ PBS and so far no recent issues out my way since the hiccup a few weeks back.

You did not get any feedback so I will chime in. I had a problem a few weeks back as reported but so far it seems to be back OK. Everything I have tried to record seems to be good. I do watch/record quite a few shows on NJ PBS and so far no recent issues out my way since the hiccup a few weeks back.

Thanks for replying. I'm still having problems.

When the WNET/NJTV/WLIW engineer got back to me, he asked me what TV or tuner I was using. What brand and model of TV and/or DVR are you using? List them all, as I'm going to try to determine if there's a common tuner chipset that is having problems with their current configuration. I'm sure that's what he was after with his question.

Its tough to make any comparisons for you since I have 3 antennas at varying heights that get different reception issues. Plus I change feeds to TVs etc as the reception issues change.

Right now my CM4228 which is at the top of the chimney feeds with a 3 way splitter my main TV (Samsung LED) and 2 PALDVRs. I have no issues with 50.1 or 58.1 (except when my neighbors LED lights are on for which I have replacements that are supposed to fix the problem when they get installed ...probably in May or June)

My 2 TVs upstairs are fed by my home built antennas which are much lower on the Chimney. They are both Sharp LCDs. The older Sharp I bought before Digital OTA was available and so the tuner is not so good. I checked this AM and it has trouble with 50.1. While the other SHARP LCD can pick it up and they both have the same feed ( I combined the 2 antenna feeds before I send them up to the 2nd floor.

Has anyone scanned for an Active Analog Channels
in the NYC / Long Island Area recently ?

I saw nothing, have then gone to DTV Low Power ?

Just Curious,

Its tough to make any comparisons for you since I have 3 antennas at varying heights that get different reception issues. Plus I change feeds to TVs etc as the reception issues change.

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LenL - the issue last time was not one of RF signal strength or quality, but had to do with the Program and System Information Protocol (PSIP). That's part of the encoded information that is being broadcast, and apparently there were some changes made that impacted some tuner circuits that are built-in to certain TVs and DVRs. In such a case, it wouldn't matter what antenna system was being used because the problem was with the encoded signal. It's analogous to you hearing somebody loud and clear, but if you don't speak the same language, the message isn't going to get through.

That's why I asked what *MAKE and MODEL* of TV and/or DVR you were using. That info can tell me what tuner circuit is used in the device, and we can figure out which tuner circuits are impacted and which are not.

Regardless, thanks for responding on the NJTV 50.1 reception question that I asked. I'm still having problems with it, and I'm about to go and re-aim a second, unused UHF antenna towards Trenton to see if I can pick up NJTV on WNJT 52.1 (real 43).

Has anyone scanned for an Active Analog Channels
in the NYC / Long Island Area recently ?

I saw nothing, have then gone to DTV Low Power ?

Just Curious,

Last I heard -- months ago, there were two left:

Ch 6 WNYZ, operating as a radio station using a VHF TV signal, since the frequency is near the low end of the FM band. They were transmitting silent movies to fulfill the video requirement. I heard that their license was revoked in error. What happened after that, I do not recall. Did enjoy watching those films. I think I saw each one they had.

Ch46 WMBQ was, if I recall correctly, Cornerstone (a religious network). Again, no idea what the current status is. Have not tried tuning them in since.

WCBS filed to modify the permit for channel 22 on Long Island. They want to put it on the WLNY tower now.

http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1490007&site=1&map=Y

I find this interesting, because it makes me wonder if something reciprocal might happen with WLNY, and that might be why WLNY-CD was not included in the sale. It looks like a theoretical DTS could have a pretty decent coverage circle to use.

http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1291033&contour=Y&size=&map=N&head=Y&extras=&cir=111&circen=40.8%2C-73.38

Much to think about.

- Trip

LenL - the issue last time was not one of RF signal strength or quality, but had to do with the Program and System Information Protocol (PSIP). That's part of the encoded information that is being broadcast, and apparently there were some changes made that impacted some tuner circuits that are built-in to certain TVs and DVRs. In such a case, it wouldn't matter what antenna system was being used because the problem was with the encoded signal. It's analogous to you hearing somebody loud and clear, but if you don't speak the same language, the message isn't going to get through.

That's why I asked what *MAKE and MODEL* of TV and/or DVR you were using. That info can tell me what tuner circuit is used in the device, and we can figure out which tuner circuits are impacted and which are not.

Regardless, thanks for responding on the NJTV 50.1 reception question that I asked. I'm still having problems with it, and I'm about to go and re-aim a second, unused UHF antenna towards Trenton to see if I can pick up NJTV on WNJT 52.1 (real 43).

Undertand and I think I answered your question but had to clarify about my one TV. I am not having any issues with 50.1. Reception has been good and the program guide has been fine. Later today I will be at my moms and I will try to scan channels and see if her RCA converter box gets hung up at 61% which I think maybe is related to your 50.1 issue or maybe it was the 5.1 issue. No one else responded to your note so it may be something isolated with your location.

LenL - the issue last time was not one of RF signal strength or quality, but had to do with the Program and System Information Protocol (PSIP). That's part of the encoded information that is being broadcast, and apparently there were some changes made that impacted some tuner circuits that are built-in to certain TVs and DVRs. In such a case, it wouldn't matter what antenna system was being used because the problem was with the encoded signal. It's analogous to you hearing somebody loud and clear, but if you don't speak the same language, the message isn't going to get through.

That's why I asked what *MAKE and MODEL* of TV and/or DVR you were using. That info can tell me what tuner circuit is used in the device, and we can figure out which tuner circuits are impacted and which are not.

Regardless, thanks for responding on the NJTV 50.1 reception question that I asked. I'm still having problems with it, and I'm about to go and re-aim a second, unused UHF antenna towards Trenton to see if I can pick up NJTV on WNJT 52.1 (real 43).

Just came back from my moms. I did a channel scan with her RCA converter box and it froze again at 61%. Pulled the feed in and it resumed scanning. What was missing when it was over was FOX 5.1. 50.1 was there. There seems to be an issue with either the converter box or FOX 5.1. Or something else.

WLNY master control is moving to West 57 St In the next few weeks

WLNY master control is moving to West 57 St In the next few weeks

Does this mean that reception will improve for people in North Jersey or am I not understanding?

Moving Master Control will have nothing to do with the quality of your reception!

Basically, it's the location where engineers and computers switch between programming, commercials, promotional messages, etc. The element that is chosen to be broadcast at Master Control is then sent to the station's transmitter - that's the place that determines your reception.

The big question for viewers in New Jersey is what's going to happen with reception with the sale of WLIG-LD, Morristown, NJ (Channel 17.1) - not part of CBS buying WLNY.

Does this mean that reception will improve for people in North Jersey or am I not understanding?

I'm implying that changes are coming, nothing to do with reception.

We are going to get hit again with what is reported as a massive solar storm Thursday AM.

It is so a big a storm they say they can't predict how it may impact communications from satellites, power outages etc...

Stay tuned.

Is 5-1 down? I can't 5-2 fine Is this channel on a duplex?

Coming in loud and clear for me.

Odd I get 5-2 with no problems but when trying to key in 5-1 it jumps right to 5-2 instead.

Because the SD feeds never switched back to the original transmitters. Fox's SD feed is till being broadcast from WWOR 9-1 and 9-2 is still being transmitted from Fox aka 5-1.

The big question for viewers in New Jersey is what's going to happen with reception with the sale of WLIG-LD, Morristown, NJ (Channel 17.1) - not part of CBS buying WLNY.

Most can't get WLIG without a roof antenna, and don't even know it exists.

Because the SD feeds never switched back to the original transmitters. Fox's SD feed is till being broadcast from WWOR 9-1 and 9-2 is still being transmitted from Fox aka 5-1.

Man this sucks I can only move my antenna but so much (a few inches)

Odd I get 5-2 with no problems but when trying to key in 5-1 it jumps right to 5-2 instead.

I am now getting Fox 5 on 44-1 and My 9 on 44-2 on my Craig converter, 44 being the RF for WNYW. Other box and HDTV in usual spot.

I also noticed that the signal level for WKOB has dropped considerably -- it used to hover around 70, now it is around 30. I get it on the Craig converter box, impossible to tune it in on the Radio Shack box. Have not tried tuning it on HDTV yet. Anyone else notice this drop?

I have a relatively new SAmsung 23" LED monitor that I inadvertantly did not shut off last nite. How I found out was I turned to 11.1 at 10 PM expecting to see the news when my neighbor's LED patio lights went out. Only after their lights went out my TV had lots on interference on the screen. No sound and lots on noise on the picture. Could not view it. So I checked and sure enough when I turned the monitor off the reception came in perfectly.

The monitor is next to the wall where the antenna is.....about 5 feet away outside!

Just thought I would share this....

WEBR-CD becomes the latest station to be sold to a spectrum speculator. Michael Dell's OTA Broadcasting, which owns KTLN San Francisco, KFFV Seattle, and KVOS Bellingham (in the Seattle DMA) has purchased WEBR-CD for $6.6 million.

- Trip

I have a relatively new SAmsung 23" LED monitor that I inadvertantly did not shut off last nite. How I found out was I turned to 11.1 at 10 PM expecting to see the news when my neighbor's LED patio lights went out. Only after their lights went out my TV had lots on interference on the screen. No sound and lots on noise on the picture. Could not view it. So I checked and sure enough when I turned the monitor off the reception came in perfectly.

The monitor is next to the wall where the antenna is.....about 5 feet away outside!

Just thought I would share this....

I have an old TUBE CRT pc monitor. Get this - if my monitor or my westell dsl modem or my Desktop PC or my VCR!!! is on, I can NOT pick up 42.3 wkob. :eek: lol
This station from NYC has got to have 1 hell of a weak signal:mad: - not that it matters much - the program selection is pretty lousy on that channel - for some reason this station thinks people in northeast suburbs like westerns:mad: - I DON'T. Wonder why all stations REFUSE to air Mannix, room 222, the Rookies, etc., in this area anyway.
The ONLY way I can pick up the above lousy channel is with Big Lots rabbit ears (with adjustable signal strength) WITH ADDITIONAL rabbit ear extensions attached DOUBLING their length!! I can NOT pick up that channel
with even a motorized roof antanna. :eek:
Thank goodness the above devices don't interfere with Antenna TV channel's & THIS network's signals, else I wood go bonzo!! :eek:
NONE of this monkey business would occur with analog. I could put up with ghosts & even a fuzzy picture - at least I could watch the channel!! Like in the 1950's & 60's. :D & never experience the "joy" of macroblocking intereference, freezing of picture & even non synchronization of voice & lips sometimes !! . :mad:

Hey Trip,
WEBR-CD becomes the latest station to be sold to a spectrum speculator. Michael Dell's OTA Broadcasting, which owns KTLN San Francisco, KFFV Seattle, and KVOS Bellingham (in the Seattle DMA) has purchased WEBR-CD for $6.6 million.

- Trip
Thank you for reporting this.

This acquisition brings up a couple discussion points. First, WEBR-CD has an outstanding CP to build out a channel 49 facility, and this is stipulated in the sales contract. They filed for displacement a while back due to interference from channel 17 in Philadelphia, although now it is fairly obvious that the upward move to channel 49 was only to bolster an eventual sales price. Once channel 17 is vacated, presuming this happens, does that open channel 17 up to displacement from other stations or for a new station to be constructed on channel 17? I am aware there are issues with channel 17 operating close to the New York Metropolitan Advisory Committee (NYMAC) public safety frequencies on channel 16, but seeing as a mutual interference agreement was reached when WEBR built out its digital facility, could that be extended to a new facility?

The other discussion topic regards their intent for the station. I realize channel 49 is a prime target for spectrum speculation, but is it known for a fact that this is the lone purpose for their acquisition? I've checked the other holdings you cited they own, and all of them offer programming of various types. None of them appear to be turning the lights on once a year to keep the fcc placated.

They just closed on KVOS and then fired almost all of the staff. All the stations are either on skeleton staff or leasing subchannels. I feel safe calling them a spectrum speculator.

- Trip

TV 10/55's last "News at 11" will be on March 29. It will be replaced with Entertainment Tonight, and the station will be without any newscasts for about 10 weeks until the schedule is changed. It is reported that Richard Rose will be the only guaranteed holdover from the station's news team.

Question is it just me or do a lot of commercials on WABC have a lot of deinterlacing going on that's showing?

This article isn't about OTA, but still interesting enough to share.

http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/helloworld/27649/

In case the article isn't at the top of the blog, scroll down for the title "Aereo Has Landed (in New York): First Impressions".

Question is it just me or do a lot of commercials on WABC have a lot of deinterlacing going on that's showing?

I've not noticed it on WABC, the problem still exists on commercials on FOX5.
All taped SD programming including reports in the newscast and HD & SD commercials on WWOR-DT have interlacing lines on them.
Anyone have a contact e-mail address for WWOR?

I've not noticed it on WABC, the problem still exists on commercials on FOX5.
All taped SD programming including reports in the newscast and HD & SD commercials on WWOR-DT have interlacing lines on them.
Anyone have a contact e-mail address for WWOR?


I was just curious because I was watching that target ad with the people jumping around and that's when I noticed it, then the Stanly Steamer commercial as well.

I've not noticed it on WABC, the problem still exists on commercials on FOX5.
All taped SD programming including reports in the newscast and HD & SD commercials on WWOR-DT have interlacing lines on them.
Anyone have a contact e-mail address for WWOR?

You can send a message via their website, here's a link:
http://www.my9tv.com/subindex/only_on_my9/contact_us

WKOB-LD LAUNCHES TWO MORE SUBCHANNELS
On Friday, March 16, 2012, WKOB-LD New York (Channel 2, Virtual Channel 42) has launched two new subchannels, bringing their total to six unique streams. This marks the first time the station, owned by Nave Communications, has offered a sixth subchannel.

At present, newcomers channel 42-5 and 42-6 are broadcasting an EBR Test Pattern without text and/or audio.

In addition, two existing PSIP TVCT channel names were modified: DayStar is now Daystar, and HOT TV is now HOT. The channel lineup order remains unchanged.

Technical Specs

The WKOB-LD New York .5 and .6 subchannels are SD with a 3:4 static aspect-ratio. Language is English. PSIP TVCT displays the channel name as WKOB-LD on both virtual channel 42-5 and 42-6. The following specs apply to all subchannels: Time is -1 hour. Program guide information is non-specific. The current program airing is "TBA" which is described as "No Description" It is a 3 hour program which airs in looping blocks beginning at 1AM.

See other WKOB-LD related topics:

HOT TV Network returns to WKOB-LD 42.3 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=21595496#post21595496)
TELOS ALTERNATIVE HEALTH NETWORK NOW AVAILABLE IN NEW YORK CITY (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=21544485#post21544485)
MUNDO HISPANO TV (MHTV) RETURNS TO NYC TV AIRWAVES (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=21182979#post21182979)
RTV LOSES NEW YORK CITY AFFILIATE, LOCAL CLASSIC MOVIE STATION LAUNCHED (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=21012390#post21012390)

Here you go:

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Just hook up your antenna to the "Line" side, hook up your pre-amp to the High side, and put a terminator on the low side. This will give you a cheap and very effective "FM trap" that will drop off all FM and RF interference below channel 7.

If the LED noise is overloading the entire VHF spectrum and is originating below channel 7, then this will solve your problem.

Here is an update:

My neighbor installed the replacement Malibu LED walkway lights and I put the TV on high VHF channels and there was NO picture. I lost reception.

I went to Radio Shack and bought and installed per specs the RF Interference they sell and it did nothing. No impact.

I have now ordered this device from Solid Signal and I will install it and see if it helps. Keeping my fingers crossed as this is my last option.

I will also write to Malibu Lighting again and give them an update on their replacement lights still having RF issues.

Question: What can I use as a terminator on the low side? Home built? Or do I need to buy something?

Question: What can I use as a terminator on the low side?

http://www.solidsignal.com/pview.asp?p=SPTERM-EACH&d=Skywalker-75-ohm-Terminator-%281-Terminator%29-%28SPTERM%29

Keep in mind that the HLSJ will only be effective you have have low frequency signals causing harmonic inter-modulation. If the lights are actually emitting in the high-VHF band, then no filtering of the receiving equipment will help.

Hey Len,
Here is an update:

My neighbor installed the replacement Malibu LED walkway lights and I put the TV on high VHF channels and there was NO picture. I lost reception.
Sorry to hear you are still experiencing this problem. It was expected, however, when you reported the replacement bulbs were exactly the same as the originals.
I will also write to Malibu Lighting again and give them an update on their replacement lights still having RF issues.

Question: What can I use as a terminator on the low side? Home built? Or do I need to buy something?
In all fairness, Len, I don't think you should have to do anything else, except to make the fcc aware of this issue. In my view, those lights are impeding a federally licensed communication source upon which you rely for not only general entertainment, but for emergency notifications with respect to breaking news, traffic, and extreme weather. It is not your neighbors fault the lights were made so crappy, but it is this government's job, specifically the fcc, to disallow such faulty devices from being sold in the U.S. The fcc was quick enough to warn users of wireless microphones which operated above 700 MHz to cease and desist all further use so they wouldn't interfere with their cell phone buddies new frequencies. Well, these lights are presenting unwarranted interference to multiple licensed users and the fcc should be sending Malibu lighting a friendly notice advising of such.

The complaint will also shine another light (pun intended) on why the VHF-Hi band is not as reliable for broadcast TV operations as the lawyers at the fcc would like to make all interested parties believe.

In all fairness, Len, I don't think you should have to do anything else, except to make the fcc aware of this issue.Agree.

I would also alert Charlie Rhodes who's writing RF column for TV Technology.
<cwr@bootit.com>

Thanks guys for all the helpful info and suggestions. I just emailed Charlie Rhodes. I also emailed Malibu Lighting again. I will also put something together to the FCC this week.

Giacomo.....I wish the FCC would help but I think even if I contact them I can not expect any immediate relief. It is all in my court to find a solution if I can in the short term.

Thanks guys for all the helpful info and suggestions. I just emailed Charlie Rhodes. I also emailed Malibu Lighting again. I will also put something together to the FCC this week.

Giacomo.....I wish the FCC would help but I think even if I contact them I can not expect any immediate relief. It is all in my court to find a solution if I can in the short term.

Are there other factories that make these light bulbs? Can you try a different brand or maybe buy your neighbors some CFL light bulbs as replacements?

Yeah, don't expect too much from the FCC. Viewers who complain get told that they are unimportant, and only licensed broadcasters can make interference complaints.

- Trip

Thanks guys for all the helpful info and suggestions. I just emailed Charlie Rhodes. I also emailed Malibu Lighting again. I will also put something together to the FCC this week.

Giacomo.....I wish the FCC would help but I think even if I contact them I can not expect any immediate relief. It is all in my court to find a solution if I can in the short term.

Yeah, don't expect too much from the FCC. Viewers who complain get told that they are unimportant, and only licensed broadcasters can make interference complaints.

- Trip
You're welcome, Len. I can empathize with your predicament, and I understand how frustrating this must be for you.

I enjoy receiving OTA Television and TV/Radio DXing when the weather patterns are right. I am frustrated by my lower elevation which cheats me out of many low-power and even some full-power TV stations I'm sure I could get if only I were on higher ground.

Just to be clear: I don't expect the fcc to send out paratroopers to clear away these pathway lights. But any complaint is written documentation and another blow to the efforts of those pretend engineer attorneys who would like to shove UHF TV stations into the VHF band, despite the recent legislation which prohibits them from doing so.

Trip brings up a valid point. Perhaps the next step should be to e-mail a letter to the engineers at WABC-TV, WPIX, and WNET. And any other VHF station whose signal is interrupted by these lights. Mention the brand and model number of the LED lights in your communication. I will admit I didn't think of that, and you just might realize better results.

I would also alert Charlie Rhodes who's writing RF column for TV Technology.
<cwr@bootit.com>

Just FYI: Charlie has already responded to my note to him and asked for more info which I supplied.

Malibu Lighting has not yet responded to my note. I'm not sure they will want to keep in touch at this point.

Solid Signal has shipped the VHF hi/Lo splitter. I called them MOnday to see if I could add a terminator to my order before it shipped. The salesman said it was too late and that he thought the device would have a terminator with it.

Are there other factories that make these light bulbs? Can you try a different brand or maybe buy your neighbors some CFL light bulbs as replacements?

It is actually not just a bulb that can be pulled out and replaced. It is all wired together with what would appear to be a mini transformer.

Not sure buying replacements at about $30 or more a pop without knowing if they too have an issue would be financially justified.

Just FYI: Charlie has already responded to my note to him and asked for more info which I supplied.

I would wait for his response before spending too many $$. He's got a good lab and an audience. If he takes it on, the FCC will take notice to.
If you have a spectrum analyzer, scan the FM and Hi VHF bands (relative power). That will help him focus on whether the noise is 2nd order and/or harmonic FM.

I would wait for his response before spending too many $$. He's got a good lab and an audience. If he takes it on, the FCC will take notice to.
If you have a spectrum analyzer, scan the FM and Hi VHF bands (relative power). That will help him focus on whether the noise is 2nd order and/or harmonic FM.

He got back to me and he suspects the transformer. I am not going to argue with an expert. However the transformer in question is not new and was the same one used with non LED lights which I think were 4 watt bulbs. I think the new LEDS are 1 watt. They are not just bulbs though. They are a unit which I think include the bulb and a transformer or some electical gizmo with them. Here is just an excerpt of what he sent me:

LED lamps require low voltage Direct Current. As you wrote, the transformer steps down the 120 volt AC power to a very low AC voltage. Inside the transformer case there are Silicon Diodes that rectify this low AC power converting it to DC power. These diodes are generating electrical noise which is jamming your DTV receiver.

My guess is that the manufacturer, probably in far off Asia, did not provide capacitors across each diode to prevent those diodes from generating electrical noise.

This is “standard practice” in consumer electronics because it eliminates such RF noise, but these capacitors, cost money and so they may not be left out for that reason.

THE PROBLEM IS NOT WITH THE led LIGHTS, BUT WITH THIS “ TRANSFORMER”.

I remembered I did do an FM radio test a number of months back and it sort of proved the transformer was fine and it was the lights where the FM radio picked up RF interference.

I just sent this info on to the expert.

Also Malibu sort of acknowledged there was a problem with RF interference when they sent me NEW lights and insisted these lights had changes to the components even if the boxes/packaging were exactly the same.

So I'm not sure the expert has it right.

Just received a quick response from Malibu Lighting. Seeing as I only sent the note yesterday and I was my ever pesimistic self.... getting a response so soon, even getting a response, and what the response said was rather surpising in a very good way. The brief message I received follows:

"Len,



I am sorry to hear that the issue is still ongoing. I have notified my engineer and he has contacted our factory to have these shipped to him. He will personally install the low noise filters on them and send them directly to you. "

I don't know how long this will take but it seems that something is in the works here.

Thanks for perervering. This LED issue is a new man-made noise source that affects DTV--not just yours. We need to identify it, control it and taking it into account our link budget because LED are expected to be in widespread use in homes in the future

He got back to me and he suspects the transformer. I am not going to argue with an expert. However the transformer in question is not new and was the same one used with non LED lights which I think were 4 watt bulbs. I think the new LEDS are 1 watt. They are not just bulbs though. They are a unit which I think include the bulb and a transformer or some electical gizmo with them. Here is just an excerpt of what he sent me:

LED lamps require low voltage Direct Current. As you wrote, the transformer steps down the 120 volt AC power to a very low AC voltage. Inside the transformer case there are Silicon Diodes that rectify this low AC power converting it to DC power. These diodes are generating electrical noise which is jamming your DTV receiver.

My guess is that the manufacturer, probably in far off Asia, did not provide capacitors across each diode to prevent those diodes from generating electrical noise.

This is “standard practice” in consumer electronics because it eliminates such RF noise, but these capacitors, cost money and so they may not be left out for that reason.

THE PROBLEM IS NOT WITH THE led LIGHTS, BUT WITH THIS “ TRANSFORMER”.

Just curious. How many lights does your neighbor have? I recently found a website that said a 5 watt bulb or device that is on 24/7 ( we know your neighbors is not on 24/7) uses about $5 a year. If electric company charges $.10 per kilowatt/hour. So lets say he has 6 light bulbs. He has them on 8 hours a day. Lets even say 12 hours a day. 6 bulbs times 3 watts each savings. That is 18 watts savings. Just a guess, but he is savings anywhere from $5 to $9 per year. Pay your neighbor $10 a year and have him switch back to the old bulbs. Seems A MUCH work for $.41 to $.75 a month savings.
Plus $10 per year for free TV is well worth it.

I would say that is your fastest way out of this problem. Unless Malibu fixes the issue.

I did try some LEDs for my bathroom vanity light. It turned out to be a BLUE/GREEN ugly light that was emitted. I returned them.
It is a shame.

I did try some LEDs for my bathroom vanity light. It turned out to be a BLUE/GREEN ugly light that was emitted. I returned them.
It is a shame.There are a number of LED light bulbs on the market that produce decent color temperature and CRI, but they'll set you back $25 and up for 800 lumens (60-watt incandescent equivalent). Have a look at the Philips BC12A19 and the Ecosmart (Lighting Science) ECS 19 V2 WW, both at Home Depot. They generate quite a bit of RF noise (easy to hear on an AM radio, especially the Ecosmart), but so far haven't affected my OTA reception; but then my antennas are in the attic above any of the bulbs.

Keyboard,

My neighbor has 5 of them and they cost around $30-35 each. Yes each. These are not just bulbs that you can pop in and out like the regular walkway lights have. It's an integrated unit. My neighbor has the lights on at a bare minimum right now due to the problem it's causing me. I'm sure they would like to have them on much longer than they currently do.

LenL -

75 ohm Terminators:

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LenL -

75 ohm Terminators:

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103064

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-202276254/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=85-038&storeId=10051

http://www.lowes.com/pd_251861-12704-85-038_0__?productId=3178853

I had already ordered 4 from Solid Signal when I read your post.

Yeah, don't expect too much from the FCC. Viewers who complain get told that they are unimportant, and only licensed broadcasters can make interference complaints.

- Trip

Never say never... I've seen the FCC act when ham radio operators make complaints against other entities, for example electric utilities. Often the utilities get enforcement letters and some are even fined for interference they cause.

There are a number of LED light bulbs on the market that produce decent color temperature and CRI, but they'll set you back $25 and up for 800 lumens (60-watt incandescent equivalent). Have a look at the Philips BC12A19 and the Ecosmart (Lighting Science) ECS 19 V2 WW, both at Home Depot. They generate quite a bit of RF noise (easy to hear on an AM radio, especially the Ecosmart), but so far haven't affected my OTA reception; but then my antennas are in the attic above any of the bulbs.

In NJ you can get LED bulbs (philips) for as low as $10. 60w equiv will run you $15. This is at the home improvement stores (the orange one).

I have three of them, one on the back deck and two out on the front porch. I use mostly CFL in the house but I use LEDs outside where I can switch them on to almost full brightness from cold.

In NJ you can get LED bulbs (philips) for as low as $10. 60w equiv will run you $15. This is at the home improvement stores (the orange one).

I have three of them, one on the back deck and two out on the front porch. I use mostly CFL in the house but I use LEDs outside where I can switch them on to almost full brightness from cold.True, but they are older models; the ones with the nice color temperature are still in the $25 category - the older ones are generally way too blue and have a bad CRI (i.e. their phosphors are not broad spectrum).

Never say never... I've seen the FCC act when ham radio operators make complaints against other entities, for example electric utilities. Often the utilities get enforcement letters and some are even fined for interference they cause.

Ham radio operators are licensed.

- Trip

Ham radio operators are licensed.

- Trip

Nope that's not the reason.

They also deal with complaints of interference by illegal 11m sets or simply illegal sales such as truck stops selling them.

If the complaint is serious enough or enough people complain they will act.

True, but they are older models; the ones with the nice color temperature are still in the $25 category - the older ones are generally way too blue and have a bad CRI (i.e. their phosphors are not broad spectrum).

No these are the newer yellow philips ambientLED freakish looking remote phosphor ones (409904 a19 type). The light they give off looks exactly like an incandescent (5200k). This price is only in NJ though. I believe the state gives a clean energy rebate. Other states like MA may have them cheap.

No these are the newer yellow philips ambientLED freakish looking remote phosphor ones (409904 a19 type). The light they give off looks exactly like an incandescent (5200k). This price is only in NJ though. I believe the state gives a clean energy rebate. Other states like MA may have them cheap.Wow, I'll have to smuggle some light bulbs across the NJ-PA border :)

N.B.: The Philips BC12A19 is 409906, so the 409904 must be a special NJ-only edition. And that color temp is 2700K (they're very nice bulbs.)

I believe that 2700K is the color of most incandescent bulbs we are used to.

Getting back to OTA reception, I've noticed that the last few nights (except last night)
that Channel 44 on my two sets goes dark at approximately 11 p.m. Could it be that the station is working on its new facility on the ESB Antenna Mast?

I believe that 2700K is the color of most incandescent bulbs we are used to.

YOu're correct. 5200k is daylight (anyway the point was these bulbs are close to incandescents).

The FCC will respond if all else fails. Right now it looks as if the manufacturer of the lights is doing their best.

Looking at the FCC web page complaints from licensed amateurs appear to hold a little more credibility than the average Joe. This makes sense. Radio geeks should know a few things.

http://transition.fcc.gov/eb/AmateurActions/Welcome.html

Yeah, of course hams would have some credibility (despite some of the uhhh more "hamsexy" folks within the ranks).

I think it was either Riley or Laura Smith who said that the Amateur service provides the FCC a good amount of value or something of the sort so they are more than happy to help us.


The FCC will respond if all else fails. Right now it looks as if the manufacturer of the lights is doing their best.


Agreed. My point was that I don't think the FCC will just blow off the average Joe because they don't have a license...

Agreed. My point was that I don't think the FCC will just blow off the average Joe because they don't have a license...

I've actually complained to the FCC before. "Blown off" is a very good description. I couldn't tell where my interference was coming from, but it was obliterating half the TV band. The FCC told me, in no uncertain terms, that I had to get the station being interfered with to complain, and that complaints from viewers would not be taken.

- Trip

I've actually complained to the FCC before. "Blown off" is a very good description. I couldn't tell where my interference was coming from, but it was obliterating half the TV band. The FCC told me, in no uncertain terms, that I had to get the station being interfered with to complain, and that complaints from viewers would not be taken.

- Trip

What you described seems rather unusual. I know of people who were on the receiving end of letters from the FCC regarding TV interference complaints. The complainer wasn't licensed.

WMBQ-CD New York is On The Air

On March 28, 2012, WMBQ-CD New York, UHF Channel 46, has began actual transmissions for the first time under its new ownership, Prime Time Partners LLC.

Presently, the primary channel 46-1 known as WMBQ 1 is carrying an Hispanic station which has been airing infomercials in English and Spanish. Two PSAs and Station ID airs at the top of each half hour.

As of the time of this posting, this editor is uncertain whether this is an Hispanic TV network or independent programming. It can be confirmed that this is not Azteca America or Estrella TV.

Subchannels 46-2, 46-3, and 46-4 are each airing an EBR Test Pattern without Audio. A horizontal solid black bar runs through the middle of the screen. White dot-matrix style text sits inside the bar which reads "WMBQ-CD NEW YORK"

WMBQ-CD first came on the air for about a day in either November or December 2011 in a testing phase. During that incarnation, only one stream was transmitted over Channel 46-1. It was an SMPTE Test Pattern without audio. A thicker horizontal solid black bar ran through the middle of the screen. White dot-matrix style text sat inside that bar which read "WMBQ-CD NEW YORK". The aspect ratio was dynamic yet the program was shown in Stretch-o-Vision (Squeeze would return the image to a conventional 3:4 aspect ratio). No channel name information was available.

This editor experienced considerable reception difficulties during this initial testing phase. Conversely, reception is presently significantly better, albeit not without occasional dropouts.

Technical Specs:

WMBQ-CD New York presently transmits four subchannels. Each of them are SD with a 3:4 static aspect-ratio. Language is English. PSIP TVCT displays the channel name as WMBQ # (The # corresponds to each subchannel; eg. "WMBQ 1"). Time is accurate. Program guide information is non-specific.

See other WMBQ-CD related topics:

WMBQ-CA New York Sold for $5,250,000 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=20776449&postcount=14375)

Thank you Giacomo for the alert, the 46-1 shows so far only Infomercials - sell, sale, you buy, nothing else but sell, the Signal level on scale of 3 units strength -Weak-Normal-Good shows better than Normal, 704x480i 30 Hz DolbyStereo.
The other 3 streams, 46-2,3,4 as Giacomo has said, shows only color bars.

Does this mean that reception will improve for people in North Jersey or am I not understanding?

For what it's worth, WLNY-CD (45-1) is now dead.... :( My research shows that the repeaters were NOT part of the sale to CBS.

I can no longer receive WLNY programming in extreme Western Nassau County.


Cheers!
-Doug

Yes, no signal on 45.1 - recently, it had already changed its call sign
to WMUN-CD while it was still simulcasting WLNY-DT.

Wonder what the new owners plan to do with this very valuable real estate.

For what it's worth, WLNY-CD (45-1) is now dead.... :( My research shows that the repeaters were NOT part of the sale to CBS.

I can no longer receive WLNY programming in extreme Western Nassau County.


Cheers!
-Doug

Why would they take off 45.1?

I thought they announced NO changes except more news

Why would they take off 45.1?

I thought they announced NO changes except more news

CBS doesn't need 45-1 (they have WCBS-DT), so they didn't buy it. But since they no longer own it, they aren't repeating WLNY-DT on it anymore..

Maybe they eventually bring WLNY to a WCBS-DT sub-channel down the road... but for the meantime, 45-1 is dark.


Cheers!
-Doug

So I recently got an indoor/outdoor antenna (the one on sale at 1saleaday.com winegard... Something) and it seems very moody. First off, there's seemingly no way to get 2 or 4. Sometimes 5-13 work flawlessly and sometimes their a little choppy and I reposition it which might work for one channel but then screws up some other channel/s.

Its RIGHT by the window on the second floor is it really worth the effort to mount it outside?

CBS doesn't need 45-1 (they have WCBS-DT), so they didn't buy it. But since they no longer own it, they aren't repeating WLNY-DT on it anymore..

Maybe they eventually bring WLNY to a WCBS-DT sub-channel down the road... but for the meantime, 45-1 is dark.


Cheers!
-Doug

So why buy WLNY if they planed to take down 45.1 Some people liked that channel.

Man I hate mergers for this reason

So why buy WLNY if they planed to take down 45.1 Some people liked that channel.

Man I hate mergers for this reason

CBS bought 55 to reach all the cable and satellite homes.

CBS bought 55 to reach all the cable and satellite homes.

Speaking of. 10/55 is STILL on the AIR on Cable.

Why would they hurt OTA people?

Did they sell 45.1? Or just give it up?

CBS bought only WLNY, Channel 10/55 - Digital Channel 47.1 out of Riverhead, NY.

The other stations that carried the programming - Morristown, NJ; Mineola, NY and Stamford, CT were sold separately and will no longer have any connection with WLNY.

Speaking of. 10/55 is STILL on the AIR on Cable.

Why would they hurt OTA people?

Did they sell 45.1? Or just give it up?

Why wouldn't it be on cable? Most or all have a direct fiber feed from either WLNY facility in LI or CBS on West 57 St. The OTA transmitter is very powerful and covers most of LI, eastern Queens, southern CT. Sure they will lose some OTA viewers but a such a small percentage that it probably wasn't worth buying or leasing the translators.

Hey AloEuro,
Thank you Giacomo for the alert, the 46-1 shows so far only Infomercials - sell, sale, you buy, nothing else but sell, the Signal level on scale of 3 units strength -Weak-Normal-Good shows better than Normal, 704x480i 30 Hz DolbyStereo. The other 3 streams, 46-2,3,4 as Giacomo has said, shows only color bars.
You're welcome! But 46-1 isn't entirely infomercials. Check it out at 6:30AM each morning. The 6:30AM-7:30AM hour is quite unique and a partial throwback to WMBQ's ownership under Craig L. Fox :)

So why buy WLNY if they planed to take down 45.1 Some people liked that channel.

Man I hate mergers for this reason

WLNY is still broadcasting, but only on their original transmitter out east. The repeaters were not sold, so they won't be carrying WLNY programming anymore. You can only receive it OTA on 55.1 (RF 47) or via cable / satellite.

As I posted earlier, MAYBE WLNY programming gets put on WCBS-DT3 or something.....

Cheers!
-Doug

The three repeaters were sold, but not to CBS, they were sold to
Local Media TV Holding.

Highly doubtful WLNY programming will show up on a WCBS subchannel -
2.2 is enough!!!!

The three repeaters were sold, but not to CBS, they were sold to
Local Media TV Holding.

Highly doubtful WLNY programming will show up on a WCBS subchannel -
2.2 is enough!!!!

Some people watched 45.1 what a shame this is. They could of used 45.1 for TVGOS lol:D

Just wanted to provide an update.

1. I tried using the Radio Shack RF Interference filter Cat# 150025. It did not help at all. it did not block or even reduce the interference.

2. Another suggestion was to try a VHF HI/Lo band separator. I tried the Blonder Tongue VHF Hi/Lo band separator ZHL5J. It too failed to suppress the RF interference. The idea was it might be on the low VHF and by seperating it out I could get a good picture on the high VHF band.

So it looks like I have run out of options for the time being until I get 5 newly modified LED patio/walkway lights. On that note I have recently received another email from Malibu Lighting actually apologizing for the delay and explaining that a shipment of lights to their engineer who will be fixing the problem was delayed.

Over the past 6 months I have been in touch with 3 companies about various OTA issues. They are CBS, ROVI, and Malibu Lighting. The only one that has never gotten back in touch with me after 2 emails was CBS. For that I would give them an F in customer service.

WLNY has a new logo with the WLNY call letters in a white sphere. The numbers 10 and 55 are just to the right, one above the other with a line in between. They have also announced a 9pm newscast that will begin a few months as well as a 7am program that will be "unique" to this area. Newscasts will originate in NYC and will include segmentss with Richard Rose from Long Island.

WLNY has a new logo with the WLNY call letters in a white sphere. The numbers 10 and 55 are just to the right, one above the other with a line in between. They have also announced a 9pm newscast that will begin a few months as well as a 7am program that will be "unique" to this area. Newscasts will originate in NYC and will include segmentss with Richard Rose from Long Island.

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/482530-Berlamino_Tapped_For_WLNY_Top_Job.php

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/television/channel-2-takeover-wlny-brings-a-eye-focused-station-future-article-1.1054377?localLinksEnabled=false

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/wcbs-unveils-plans-for-wlny-with-new-morning-and-primetime-newscasts_b57108

WLNY has a new logo with the WLNY call letters in a white sphere. The numbers 10 and 55 are just to the right, one above the other with a line in between. They have also announced a 9pm newscast that will begin a few months as well as a 7am program that will be "unique" to this area. Newscasts will originate in NYC and will include segmentss with Richard Rose from Long Island.

How does this help OTA. They shut down a captive audience. Now with Cable channel 10/55 just blends in. I do not need them for news. That is what cnn is for and a bunch of other channels.

What a shame this is. Are we sure 45.1 is down for good?

How does this help OTA. They shut down a captive audience. Now with Cable channel 10/55 just blends in. I do not need them for news. That is what cnn is for and a bunch of other channels.

What a shame this is. Are we sure 45.1 is down for good?

Did you forget that their primary transmitter on LI still reaches a lot of households even if YOU can't pick it up. It helps LI OTA households that don't subscribe to cable and can't get News12 or CNN. Sorry changes that stations make don't revolve around just your needs.

Did you forget that their primary transmitter on LI still reaches a lot of households even if YOU can't pick it up. It helps LI OTA households that don't subscribe to cable and can't get News12 or CNN. Sorry changes that stations make don't revolve around just your needs.

The existing transmitter is north of Riverhead. It barely makes it into Nassau County. 45.1 was my only vehicle for receiving this programming.

Yeah, it reaches a lot of households. But it lost more than half of the households it reached before the sale.

Cheers!
-Doug

Did you forget that their primary transmitter on LI still reaches a lot of households even if YOU can't pick it up. It helps LI OTA households that don't subscribe to cable and can't get News12 or CNN. Sorry changes that stations make don't revolve around just your needs.

Not my needs. The elderly needs. Also how much could a repeater really cost?

CBS promised no changes except more news. This is a HUGE change

Did you forget that their primary transmitter on LI still reaches a lot of households even if YOU can't pick it up. It helps LI OTA households that don't subscribe to cable and can't get News12 or CNN. Sorry changes that stations make don't revolve around just your needs.

If CBS2 is going to promote tuning in to TV 10-55, would it not make sense for it to be available in the same areas as WCBS? WLNY's signal does not reach New York City and it is not even on some cable systems to the north and west. There was some speculation here about new technology to extend the coverage area -- any new details there?

By the way, WLNY will carry high school sports on Saturday afternoons this month. They also have an animated promo that explains the WLNY call letters -- We Love New York! And New Jersey and Connecticut too.

Here's the newest addition to the news department: http://libn.com/files/2012/04/WLNY_van.jpg

If CBS2 is going to promote tuning in to TV 10-55, would it not make sense for it to be available in the same areas as WCBS? WLNY's signal does not reach New York City and it is not even on some cable systems to the north and west. There was some speculation here about new technology to extend the coverage area -- any new details there?

By the way, WLNY will carry high school sports on Saturday afternoons this month. They also have an animated promo that explains the WLNY call letters -- We Love New York! And New Jersey and Connecticut too.

Here's the newest addition to the news department: http://libn.com/files/2012/04/WLNY_van.jpg

My guess and speculation is that WLNY is in "soft launch" mode right now and will do more promoting as they update the on air look and programming. Theres existing technology to extend coverage area and it's not new. Many of the cable systems in the NYC area have regional headends and share some local feeds with other non competing cable companies. Since WLNY's master control is now on West 57th, any provider with an existing fiber feed of WCBS can add WLNY with some additional equipment.When deals with carriage of WCBS on a cable system are set to expire, you can bet CBS will look to gain carriage of WLNY in areas it's not already carried.

My guess and speculation is that WLNY is in "soft launch" mode right now and will do more promoting as they update the on air look and programming. Theres existing technology to extend coverage area and it's not new. Many of the cable systems in the NYC area have regional headends and share some local feeds with other non competing cable companies. Since WLNY's master control is now on West 57th, any provider with an existing fiber feed of WCBS can add WLNY with some additional equipment.When deals with carriage of WCBS on a cable system are set to expire, you can bet CBS will look to gain carriage of WLNY in areas it's not already carried.

So how was WLNY was in NYC? Why would CBS change/cancel, if they will try to gain carriage? They had NYC.

The existing transmitter is north of Riverhead. It barely makes it into Nassau County. 45.1 was my only vehicle for receiving this programming.

Yeah, it reaches a lot of households. But it lost more than half of the households it reached before the sale.

Cheers!
-Doug

Much more then half. NYC is much denser in population then LI.

Much more then half. NYC is much denser in population then LI.

Densely populated areas with high rises especially Manhattan have historically had a higher penetration of cable/satellite customers than outer boros and suburbs therefore shutting off a LP translator may be a lost of a few OTA viewers but has little to no impact on reported ratings. How many people here have actually ever been a Nielson HH? The LP signal may have covered many homes but how many actually watched?

The main transmittern on LI is very powerful as claimed in this article:

http://www.tvtechnology.com/article/wlny-claims-most-powerful-digital-signal/202471

Densely populated areas with high rises especially Manhattan have historically had a higher penetration of cable/satellite customers than outer boros and suburbs therefore shutting off a LP translator may be a lost of a few OTA viewers but has little to no impact on reported ratings. How many people here have actually ever been a Nielson HH? The LP signal may have covered many homes but how many actually watched?

The main transmittern on LI is very powerful as claimed in this article:

http://www.tvtechnology.com/article/wlny-claims-most-powerful-digital-signal/202471

The point and question is WHY did they get rid of a great repeater?

because cbs didnt buy it they just bought only wlny. but im 65% sure that cbs will put a transmitter in manhattan to cover the rest of the tri-state.
KCAL 9 in LA is sister station to KCBS 2 in LA and the WLNY new logo looks just like the KCAL logo

If CBS2 is going to promote tuning in to TV 10-55, would it not make sense for it to be available in the same areas as WCBS? WLNY's signal does not reach New York City and it is not even on some cable systems to the north and west. There was some speculation here about new technology to extend the coverage area -- any new details there?

By the way, WLNY will carry high school sports on Saturday afternoons this month. They also have an animated promo that explains the WLNY call letters -- We Love New York! And New Jersey and Connecticut too.

Here's the newest addition to the news department: http://libn.com/files/2012/04/WLNY_van.jpgWhat's the truck doing on W 56th street in Manhatten?