Originally posted by tsienlin
hi everyone, i'm new to the forum as well as hdtv. just want to thank you all for the info that's in this forum. really helped me out when picking out a hd receiver.

was just wondering if people had problems with CSI last night.. i had so many dropouts that it was unwatchable. i usually get pretty good reception from cbs, was just bad last night.

thanks

Looked fine all the way down here in E. Brunswick NJ!

Is there an estimated time/date that NBC-DT is going to go full power? Are they at as much power as they're going to be?

Originally posted by lmitch55
Is there an estimated time/date that NBC-DT is going to go full power? Are they at as much power as they're going to be?

Not until the combiner is completed, which at this rate, it may not be until June.....................what YEAR is the real question! :eek:

Doh! What happened to March for the combiner. How hard is it to get this thing done already!!!!

What's going on with WPIX tonight? No HD for Smallville, and 11-1 has the sound all messed up....

Yes, same here. Static on the sound everything is out of sync. They are having obvious problems.

fmonkey-

Originally posted by trekkerj
What's going on with WPIX tonight? No HD for Smallville, and 11-1 has the sound all messed up....

yeah angel is messed up. whats the number?

The only # I have is the engineers room which is probably closed but you should get a machine. Voice your opinion :o) 212-949-1100/Or you can watch PBS a digi tv prg is on

f

also tell them not to CANCEL Angel, especially if they're going to screw up the HD on one of the final episodes.

What in the world is WNBC-DT doing ? It looks like they are multicasting and ruined their PQ. I am now getting channel 4.2 with 4.1 and the PQ on the news is terrible compared to normal. The PQ on the news almost looks like analog. Put it back the old way, please...

Scott

My integrated mits recognizes 4.01 & .02 also. But I can't really see a drop in picture quality. I would have to see an HD prg. to really notice the deteriation if any. I guess it is multi-casting for everyone

fmonkey-

I watch the news everyday on WNBC-DT and take my word for it the PQ has dropped dramatically. I have it now on Cablevision and OTA and it looks equally terrible on both.

Scott

Holy crap, you're right. It looks just like analog ch. 4 on cable. It used to be the best digital standard-def picture out there.

I wonder how the HD programs will look tonight.

I hope this isn't permanent.

On my OTA tuner, 4-2 is WNBC-SD. ABC does this, but their 7-1 channel doesn't suffer. I think they are pumping too much bandwidth into the SD subchannel. Why do they even need one?

I was just notified by an NBC engineer that they are going to be mulitcasting. Many of the decoders are picking up the wrong channel as the PSIP changed. Cablevision also has the wrong channel on. They shut down the multicasting for the weekend and it should be back to normal now. However, Monday hopefully Cablevision and the decoders picking up the wrong signal will be fixed when the multicasting starts again.

We actually were seeing 4.2 on Cablevision.

Scott

Interesting. Did he say why they are multicasting? Seems like a waste of one of the clearest digital pictures there is in NY. (in SD anyway)

However, now I'm not getting any sound.

Yup, no sound on Cablevision 704, but I do have sound on 4.1 OTA.

Scott

Good, at least I can fall back on that for Third Watch if CV is still a no-go. Didn't feel like hooking up my antenna to check. :)

Haven't noticed these poorer-image changes via Time Warner Cable's fiber pickup from WNBC-DT (haven't watched). But a Fox engineer in a recent programming forum thread said stations and cable headends prefer to send/receive the multicast versions of signals, with cable headends extracting their 1080i or 720p signals. Apparently is takes a separate and costly encoder if stations or cable headends want to pass along a 'full' 1080i signal without the bit rate reduction required for one or more subchannels. Other than special broadcasts there's nothing I watch on NBC, but if CBS and other stations follow with multicasting, with no 'full' 1080i made available to cable, suspect I'll be shifting almost entirely to HDNet, Discovery HD Theater, HBO, etc. and whatever else sloooowly trickles onto Time Warner Cable and RCN. (Greedily, I subscribe to both.) -- John

Anyone know if ABC has any "set" schedule when they throw up their test pattern/demo loop as they did a few weekends ago? I know the only 2 times I've seen them is on the weekends.....and I recently bought a 30" WS Directview TV that I'd like to "tweak" in the Service Menu......and since HDNET only does their test patterns on a Tuesday AM......I'm thinking ABC *may* be my only opportunity to tweak the 1080I signal input on my Philips 30pw850h.

Thanks.

Okay its March ..... where is the combiner!!!!!!:D

june

Is June a firm date or in June will we hear September on and on and on...

Scott

i'm only repeating what I hear from these forums. Someone posted a little while back that June seemed realistic to everyone involved. At this point, with all my shows likely going off the air next season, and based on the fact that I get pretty much everything either from cable or from the secondary sites in use, I could care less anymore. If they would have had it done last November, that would have been great. All i wanted it for is WPIX, which comes in quite poorly. Since I won't get it before the season ends in may, all it will be good for is a couple of weekend Met games this summer, but I'm a Yankee fan anyway. :)

That is what I want it for, the Met games on WPIX. That is the only one I cannot get.

Scott

The Met games are actually broadcast in HD?! I guess Freddy Coupons has nothing to do with the TV end. GOOD!

Yeah, they started broadcasting their home games on the weekend in HD via MSG's equipment. I assume they will be doing the same this year, hopefully more of them (if not all).

Most games on the WB looked great last year. I think PIX did a great job with it. They did have technical difficulties once in a while. Looking forward to this season. peace

fmonkey-

And hopefully YES network sometime this year, which hopefully means a couple of CBS games toward the end of the season.

Speaking of WPIX, I was looking forward to Angel in HD tonight, but because of my distance from ESB, and the fact that I cannot have an outdoor antenna, I rely on my altitude, as much multipath as I can get, and then I still need good tropo to get a signal. Tropo must be bad tonight as I can't even pick up a blip. Dammit.

Has ABC lowered power? The last two times I watched (Academy Awards and Kingdom Hospital) I've had a lot of freezes and dropouts, and the signal strength varies quite a bit. Prior to Sunday, I haven't had many problems. Appreciate any info. Thanks.

Rick

No problems for me. Actually seems stronger for me, which is strange because we are in the same direction. I have a higher altitude though...

When I ran the coaxial cable that I had from my OTA antenna to my STB I could reach but it was still a little short. I want to buy a new longer coaxial (+-100') cable. Is one better than the next - i.e. RG6 vs. RG59?

Remus -

Yes! - there is a huge difference.

Only use RG6 - NEVER use RG59.

In fact, go for extra bucks and get quad-shielded RG6 - depending on your inviornment, can be helpful.

Also, with a run longer than 100' feet, you well might need a pre-amp at your OTA antenna. Try in first without buying a pre-amp and judge the quality of your reception.

Gary

Concert for George

I was very disappointed that PBS's "Concert for George" while listed in the DirecTV Guide as airing on Channel 50-5 (WNJN-DT) in HD, did not air. They were running some PBS-HD New Jersey loop. Had to watch it on D*TV's Channel 13 in SD w/o Dolby Digital.
Was this some sort of blackout provision protecting WNET?:(

Hey guys.... i am a first-time poster in this thread and don't really have the time to read all 77 pages. ;)

I am a Time Warner subscriber. I am contemplating going to RCN to get ESPN-HD... however I am a bigtime Met fan. I would love to get WB-11 in Hi-Def.

I live in Queens in a six story building. What are my options using OTA equipment to get WB-HD and maybe some other channels as well like ESPN and INHD.

Help a newb out. Thanks.

You should be able to get WB 11 from Queens with an indoor antenna, if not, then adding a preamp would possibly work. But you are close enough for reception. Check antennaweb.org and put in your exact address.

Well I put in my address... and I got back a bunch of channels. I clicked "show me digital channels only" and WPIX-DT was listed. How do I know which ones are Hi-Def or not?

Also... how much am I looking at for an antenna and where can I get them? Any AVS-supported sites above sell these antennas?

One other point i'd like to make. I see this Zenith Silver ZHDTV1
indoor antenna. My plasma HDTV does not have a built on tuner (I use TWC STB for this). Would I need to buy a separate OTA tuner box along with the antenna?

Yes, you would need a OTA STB. DT channels are the digital/hi-def channels. Whether or not the channel is hi-def depends on the station/network.

Can I just buy the Zenith antenna and take the antenna over to my buddy's place that has a 34" Wega HDTV CRT with a built on HD tuner and not buy the OTA STB?

The STB is pretty pricey to risk not being able to get any decent channels.

Originally posted by DjPiLL
Can I just buy the Zenith antenna and take the antenna over to my buddy's place that has a 34" Wega HDTV CRT with a built on HD tuner and not buy the OTA STB?

The STB is pretty pricey to risk not being able to get any decent channels.

It depends where you buddy lives with respect to you. Short distances or elevations can change reception quite a bit. Particularly with an indoor installation.

Originally posted by s2silber
Concert for George

I was very disappointed that PBS's "Concert for George" while listed in the DirecTV Guide as airing on Channel 50-5 (WNJN-DT) in HD, did not air. They were running some PBS-HD New Jersey loop. Had to watch it on D*TV's Channel 13 in SD w/o Dolby Digital.
Was this some sort of blackout provision protecting WNET?:(

They started showing the loop again on Monday. Do not know why? Stinks.

As far as OTA reception and tuners, I'd look at eBay for tuners. I bought a Samsung SIR-T151 tuner last month on eBay. It isn't the most cutting edge tuner, but I wanted to get my feet wet with HD reception and not beak the bank. It does the trick so far while I'm waiting for RCN to upgrade my building.

The antenna was a different story. I'm in a high-rise in midtown Manhattan (close but no direct line of site of ESB), so I have to use an indoor antenna. I bought a Megawave and is works okay, but my best results are with either a really cheap FM ribbon (the cheap thing you get with a FM reciever) or a 20 year old Technics FM wing antenna. The Technics get the best overall reception.

I'm getting WCBS, WNBC (weak), WABC, and WPIX (and channel 40 - one of the Spanish stations). I've never been able to get FOX or any PBS.

Good Luck.

Gary - Thanx. I already have a pre-amp set up on my Channelmaster Stealthtenna 3010. My reception here in Rockland County is great as I get all the expected channels plus pull in a lot of CT. channels. I'll try the quad-shield RG6.

Ok.... I just picked up a very cheap samsung sir-t150 tuner and a zenith silver sensor.

Can somebody point me to a link or better give me the quick how-to for a newb on how to see if I can get wb-11hd. Antennaweb.org had it listed at 13 miles away.

Thanks

Originally posted by DjPiLL
Ok.... I just picked up a very cheap samsung sir-t150 tuner and a zenith silver sensor.

Can somebody point me to a link or better give me the quick how-to for a newb on how to see if I can get wb-11hd. Antennaweb.org had it listed at 13 miles away.

Thanks

DOH!! Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the Silver Sensor is UHF only. Since the WB is on VHF frequency, you most likely will not pick it up. It's on Channel 12 (11-1). :eek:

I'm located in Manhattan on 22nd street on the west side. I use a Silver Sensor and can pick up CBS,ABC,FOX,UPN,WB, and WNET, everything except NBC-DT.

Larry

Originally posted by Calabs
DOH!! Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe the Silver Sensor is UHF only. Since the WB is on VHF frequency, you most likely will not pick it up. It's on Channel 12 (11-1). :eek:

UHF Antennas can usually pick up High VHF (7-13) as well.

Ok.... well i am trying this out.... but im getting zero reception. No signal whatsoever. I dont think i have it connected or setup properly. I am connected to RF Input with the antenna. I then go to test signal strength and i get zero signal. Nada. Its very possible i wont be able to get any channels clearly out here... but im not getting anything period. Not even any fuzzy pictures. Any ideas?

Originally posted by DjPiLL
Ok.... well i am trying this out.... but im getting zero reception. No signal whatsoever. I dont think i have it connected or setup properly. I am connected to RF Input with the antenna. I then go to test signal strength and i get zero signal. Nada. Its very possible i wont be able to get any channels clearly out here... but im not getting anything period. Not even any fuzzy pictures. Any ideas?

Again, I'm not familiar with your STB, but don't you have to scan for channels when you first set it up? :confused:

Ok... I can get 2-1 (CBS), 4-1 (NBC), 21-1 (PBS).... thats all I seem to be getting. Anything I can get to amplify this signal?

If you're in NYC, a preamp probably won't help much (may even hurt). Keep trying different antenna orientations. The silver sensor is HIGHLY directional, and you are very close to the transmitters. Rotating it even slightly can make a big difference. Keep playing around. ABC is very strong, try for that.

Ok.... I can get ABC I believe... and I can get parts of WPIX. Its a little pixelated at times. I can see the empire state building from my window... granted its about 15 miles away. I take it a preamp will still hinder me?

15 miles? I though you were in Manhattan. :)

A preamp might help you then.

Ok here is the deal.

I went out and bought a preamp but it really didnt help me.

However... I found the place in my apartment that gives me my best reception. I get a lot of channels now... including WB-HD which is the whole reason why I wanted this OTA setup.

I have west faceing windows in my apartment on the 5th floor and I can actually see the empire state building from my apartment... granted I live in Bayside/Oakland Gardens Queens. SO i guess I have a nice line to sight so to say. ;)

Anyways... I had to put the SS antenna.... outside... sitting on a window bracket that normally holds an air-conditioner. This is located in my second smaller bedroom... on the complete opposite side where my plasma is located. I bought a 50ft coaxial cable to tool around with this... and I am now watching Reba in HiDef on WB-11. The picture looks sweet. The Dolby Digital audio just flickered once in 10 mins of watching so far.

I don't have any cable wires or TVs ran into that room... so I will have to think of a more permanent solution. Also... the SS antenna isnt sitting too sturdy on the AC bracket... i might have to tie it down. Are these antenna's weather proof? Doesnt seem like there are any electronics inside the antenna... just metal. In fact right now its VERY foggy and misty-rain out... and im not having any issues.

Well this is seriously looking good. I might switch to RCN from Time Warner and ill just have the RCN guys run a permanent coaxial run into that room. Ill tell them i am going to put a TV in there... but ill just use that wire for the OTA antenna. ;)

I ended up buying two of these OTA receivers... SIR-T150 but I probably will only use one so ill just sell the other or ebay it i suppose.

My fiancee is gonna be real happy cause one of her favorite shows is Gilmore Girls.

Got in on the Samsung deal at Best Buy. I purchased the Sir-t151 and the Silver Sensor indoor antenna, outdoor antenna is not an option. I live in Brooklyn about 8 miles from the Empire State Building. I live across the street from a school and my reception quality is poor. Signal strength is less than 50% on all channels and I only get 2-1, 5-1, 5-2, 7-1 & 7-2. I have an old UHF & VHF antenna that nearly gives me the same signal strength on all channels. Last night I found out that I have an old roof mounted antenna and I hooked it up. The reception quality is a little better and I get the following stations 2-1, 4-1, 4-2, 7-1, 7-2, 50-1, 50-2, 50-3, & 50-4. But I really want 5-1 along with the previous stations. Is there any way for me to hook up a splitter or something so I can utilize both antennas? Also, why can’t I get WPIX at all, I know it is VHF but I should be able to get a signal with one of these configurations. Any help or suggestions to improve my PQ or setup will be greatly appreciated.

If you're able to pick up all those other stations, some of which are much weaker than 5-1, you should be able to get 5-1. Try some minor directional adjustments until you hit the sweet spot.

I've got the SIR-T151, an indoor antenna and live within a mile of both Conde Nas (actually line of sight to where WABC has their transmitter) and ESB. I've never been able to get the signal strength more than 55-60%. I get WNBC clear as a bell at only 20%. And no matter how I move antennas, signal strength for each channel remains constant at the same number. I think it might be a flaw in the tuner design.

I'm going to upgrade my cabling to RG-6 Quad Shield and gold fittings and see if it makes a difference. I think the levels will be close the same considering the length of my antenna cable is about 12'. But the cable will look nicer and it might shield out some of the interference from other things in my apartment. Who knows - maybe I'll be able to get FOX or PBS with better cable.

I'll keep you posted.

Originally posted by tpan413
Last night I found out that I have an old roof mounted antenna and I hooked it up. The reception quality is a little better and I get the following stations 2-1, 4-1, 4-2, 7-1, 7-2, 50-1, 50-2, 50-3, & 50-4. But I really want 5-1 along with the previous stations. Is there any way for me to hook up a splitter or something so I can utilize both antennas? Also, why can’t I get WPIX at all, I know it is VHF but I should be able to get a signal with one of these configurations. Any help or suggestions to improve my PQ or setup will be greatly appreciated.


This gave me an idea. My living room that has my plasma has my old building OTA cable jack that I never used. Well I plugged my tuner into that... and I do get a signal... but all I get is four channels of WB11-HD. I get 11-1, 11-2, 12-1, and 75-1. I take it this is a VHF only antenna thats on the roof of my building. PQ is ok. Its not as good as the SS as I get slight audio dropouts every few minutes, accompanied with pixelation. It seems like the commercials produce pixelation a lot more which is weird. Im waiting for a true-HD show to come on to judge for sure.

If this is watchable... as I only care about WB-HD for my OTA setup... this makes a good temporary solution as compared to running a wire throughout my apartment to an antenna thats hanging outside.

In my previous setup when I used the antenna in the window... i had a 50' cable i was using. It didnt seem to hamper the reception at all. Cable was RG-6.

Originally posted by DjPiLL
Ok here is the deal.

I went out and bought a preamp but it really didnt help me.

However... I found the place in my apartment that gives me my best reception. I get a lot of channels now... including WB-HD which is the whole reason why I wanted this OTA setup.

I have west faceing windows in my apartment on the 5th floor and I can actually see the empire state building from my apartment... granted I live in Bayside/Oakland Gardens Queens. SO i guess I have a nice line to sight so to say. ;)

Anyways... I had to put the SS antenna.... outside... sitting on a window bracket that normally holds an air-conditioner. This is located in my second smaller bedroom... on the complete opposite side where my plasma is located. I bought a 50ft coaxial cable to tool around with this... and I am now watching Reba in HiDef on WB-11. The picture looks sweet. The Dolby Digital audio just flickered once in 10 mins of watching so far.

I don't have any cable wires or TVs ran into that room... so I will have to think of a more permanent solution. Also... the SS antenna isnt sitting too sturdy on the AC bracket... i might have to tie it down. Are these antenna's weather proof? Doesnt seem like there are any electronics inside the antenna... just metal. In fact right now its VERY foggy and misty-rain out... and im not having any issues.

Well this is seriously looking good. I might switch to RCN from Time Warner and ill just have the RCN guys run a permanent coaxial run into that room. Ill tell them i am going to put a TV in there... but ill just use that wire for the OTA antenna. ;)

I ended up buying two of these OTA receivers... SIR-T150 but I probably will only use one so ill just sell the other or ebay it i suppose.

My fiancee is gonna be real happy cause one of her favorite shows is Gilmore Girls.

The Silver Sensor is not really an outdoor antena if you plan to leave it oustside I would put a weather boot on the coax to keep moisture out

I was wondering if anone has any info on where some of the digital ch's are on the UHF dial. I am getting CBS-DT at 56-1...and Im getting PBS CH's on 51-1 thrur 4 ....but my question is WABC-DT is listed as 7-1...but thats remapped from its original station which is somewhere on the UHF dial correct? WHat about NBC-DT, they are listed at 4-1...but where do you first pull that ch in from before it get remapped?

antennaweb.org

I live in Forest Hills Queens, about 9 miles from the ESB.
I am able to get all HDTV OTA from 2 through 9. I cant get anything above channel 9. I have a old/cheap antenea mounted on the roof of the six story buliding.

Do any of you guys in Queens have a similiar problem?

Thanks
Jason

WABC-DT signal is all over the place, is it just me?

Same here...

Wow, it's horrible, what are they doing? Have the aliens finally invaded? :)

Originally posted by vinnyv07
I was wondering if anone has any info on where some of the digital ch's are on the UHF dial. I am getting CBS-DT at 56-1...and Im getting PBS CH's on 51-1 thrur 4 ....but my question is WABC-DT is listed as 7-1...but thats remapped from its original station which is somewhere on the UHF dial correct? WHat about NBC-DT, they are listed at 4-1...but where do you first pull that ch in from before it get remapped?

WABC is 45, WNBC is 28.

I am having trouble with WABC also. I just spent an hour playing with my connections thinking it was only me. Hope they fix it soon.

Having problems here too - the signal on my Zenith jumps from zero to marginal.

I've been having dropout problems since the night of the Academy Awards. Before that, WABC was rock solid for me.

Rick

Same here. ABC was solid up to Academy Awards here in Bayside. I haven't looked at it since, but this evening it was unwatchable.

For me it was fine until today. I watched NYPD Blue yesterday--no problems. Today, signal goes in and out.

For the last few days, during the bad weather we've had, I've only been able to get WCBS-DT over-the-air. It's clear today, so I'll have to check reception tonight.

Just did an antenna install...............Fox is coming in solid but CBS barely coming in and breaking up mostly..........ABC coming in good last night............Weird since CBS is strong...........Any ideas anyone?

Channel master 4228

Wineguard ap-4800

3ft tripod with 5ft mast.....

Thanks

That happened to me the first time I put up an antenna at my new house. It was surprising since I had received WCBS-DT strongest at the prior nearby location. Anyway, sometimes it's just a matter of finding a sweet spot on the roof where all stations come in strongly. Wondering why you chose the Winegard amp' rather than the CM 7775 which is mated to the antenna you have?

CBS-DT OTA is good here. Since last checking now I can't get WABC-DT. Also I am getting frequent drops from WNBC-DT *4.2* Sometimes when 4.2 pops back on there is a station ID that says Digital 4.2. I have never seen this before. Hopefully WABC-DT is off the air. Thanks

fmonkey-

Originally posted by pjwinstalls
Just did an antenna install...............Fox is coming in solid but CBS barely coming in and breaking up mostly..........ABC coming in good last night............Weird since CBS is strong...........Any ideas anyone?

Channel master 4228

Wineguard ap-4800

3ft tripod with 5ft mast.....

Thanks
CBS is at a higher frequency, so it is a little more directional and susceptable to multipath. Try tweaking the direction a little.

any recommendations for a indoor antenna and pre-amp. Right now I have the RS bowtie and get decent CBS but all others are very weak and I get alot of pixelezations.

For indoor, that's about the best you can do. Try a channelmaster 7777 preamp, and a long cable that will give you more freedom to position the antenna in different spots.

WABC was good last night. But I guess someone forgot to flip a switch because the seemed to show the entire left coast feed in HD, followed by their test tape.

C

Originally posted by cpto
WABC was good last night. But I guess someone forgot to flip a switch because the seemed to show the entire left coast feed in HD, followed by their test tape.

C

WABC-DT seems to do this mostly on Friday nights. They play the national feed of their Friday night programming on west coast time. They start this at 11:00, and use channel 7.2 for the news. They then have the HD test loop on until they go back to regular WABC-DT on 7.1 on Saturday.

Scott

I'm in Woodside, Queens right on the border of Maspeth. From my roof I have a clear shot of the Empire State Building. Can anyone recommend a rooftop antenna/amp combination that would work best for me?

From there you could get away with just a silver sensor. No need for the hassle of getting an antenna installed. Have you tried one?

No, I have not, but as I already have a rooftop antenna with a cable running to all six televisions in the house, I figured it would be best to just swap it out for an HD antenna. Besides, isn't the Silver Sensor UHF only? I would prefer a VHF/UHF option that would allow me to bring in all the SD channels as well as the OTA HD channels.

Originally posted by GoldenBoy
No, I have not, but as I already have a rooftop antenna with a cable running to all six televisions in the house, I figured it would be best to just swap it out for an HD antenna. Besides, isn't the Silver Sensor UHF only? I would prefer a VHF/UHF option that would allow me to bring in all the SD channels as well as the OTA HD channels.

HD antenna? What's that? Per say, there is no such beast. Any VHF/UHF antenna will work with both analog and digital reception. IS the antenna you currently have in good shape? Is it a VHF/UHF antenna? If so, you may not need another one. :rolleyes:

Really? I was under the impression that one needed an HD compatible antenna. Please pardon my ignorance as I'm new to all of this HD A/V stuff. So why do they sell antennas as specifically 'HD compatible' then? My current antenna works fine, besides the fact that it doesn't bring in CBS 2 too well and a couple of the UHF channels are poor also.

Originally posted by GoldenBoy
Really? I was under the impression that one needed an HD compatible antenna. Please pardon my ignorance as I'm new to all of this HD A/V stuff. So why do they sell antennas as specifically 'HD compatible' then? My current antenna works fine, besides the fact that it doesn't bring in CBS 2 too well and a couple of the UHF channels are poor also.

Strictly marketing! Perhaps when one markets an "HD antenna", they are merely stating that it is UHF, as most digital channels reside on the UHF band. But the likes of Radio Shack, antennas that have been around well before HD, have worked fine for many on this forum.

Well, I am grateful to you and this forum for you have saved me $$$! I really did not know that. Well, now I'm really pleased that I should be able to pull in the OTA channels without much fuss. OK then, one other question - do you think it would be worth it for me to get a rotary for my antenna?

Just a side-note for those who may be wondering - the reason I have the antenna in the first place is because when we first switched to DirecTV from Time Warner cable 10 years ago the local channels were not available through DirecTV. Who would have known that it would work out for the best in the end? I suppose the lesson here is it's always good to have as much versatility as possible.

Originally posted by GoldenBoy
Well, I am grateful to you and this forum for you have saved me $$$! I really did not know that. Well, now I'm really pleased that I should be able to pull in the OTA channels without much fuss. OK then, one other question - do you think it would be worth it for me to get a rotary for my antenna?

Try checking antennaweb.org, if you're in Queens most of your channels should be due west, in which case you won't need a rotary. If you want some of the PBS stations up North or in NJ you probably would need one.

Originally posted by GoldenBoy
Well, I am grateful to you and this forum for you have saved me $$$! I really did not know that. Well, now I'm really pleased that I should be able to pull in the OTA channels without much fuss. OK then, one other question - do you think it would be worth it for me to get a rotary for my antenna?

No problem. ;)

You mention that you had the antenna some 10 years ago (if I'm reading between the line right). What kind of cable are you using from the antenna to the TV? You should have RG6 coaxial cable for minimal loss of signal. If you've got the old flat wired stuff, it's best to change it out. You also mention you have the antenna hooked up to 6 TVs. How many will be hooked up in the HD setup? The more you split the signal, the more loss you will have.

Also, if the antenna hasn't been moved in 10 years, it is probably pointed toward the WTC site. With the NYC OTA's coming from midtown, you will probably do better moving it more northerly. If you are lucky, you can find a sweet spot and get everything in one direction. Since you already have it hooked up, grab a STB and see what you can get!

Well, the cabling is the same coaxial cable that is used for the DirecTV wiring. It will still be 6 televisions hooked up to it now. As far as the direction, I believe when the installers put it up 10 years ago they pointed it toward the ESB, not the WTC. Go figure. And pardon my ignorance once more but, what's a 'STB'?

STB = set top box. In your case the Directv receiver.

Ah, of course. Well, I have a Hughes HTL-HD DirecTV HD receiver and HD dish waiting to be installed, and I am awaiting the arrival of a Samsung DLP which is currently still on backorder. I suppose, just out of curiosity, I could hook up the Hughes box and see which channel I could get in HD OTA, of course they would be down-scaled on my current set.

Originally posted by GoldenBoy
Ah, of course. Well, I have a Hughes HTL-HD DirecTV HD receiver and HD dish waiting to be installed, and I am awaiting the arrival of a Samsung DLP which is currently still on backorder. I suppose, just out of curiosity, I could hook up the Hughes box and see which channel I could get in HD OTA, of course they would be down-scaled on my current set.

Ahhhhh...........maybe! What TV do you have now? If it is not a digital TV, you won't pick up the digital stations. The STB may MAP the stations in your area based on zip code, but you won't be able receive them (assuming you don't have a digital TV right now). :(

I do not have a digital set yet, but the Hughes does HD OTA as well as DirecTV and, AFAIK, it also scales down to 480i via S-Video and Composite Video Out.

Originally posted by GoldenBoy
I do not have a digital set yet, but the Hughes does HD OTA as well as DirecTV and, AFAIK, it also scales down to 480i via S-Video and Composite Video Out.

While what you say is certainly true about the ability of the STB to to pick up 480i via S-Video or composite, you won't be getting the DIGITAL stations..........only the analog versions from either OTA or D*. So there is no "scale-down". 480i in = 480i out. Follow?

Originally posted by Calabs
While what you say is certainly true about the ability of the STB to to pick up 480i via S-Video or composite, you won't be getting the DIGITAL stations..........only the analog versions from either OTA or D*. So there is no "scale-down". 480i in = 480i out. Follow?

No, He is getting the digital version station from the Hughes box. The box is capturing the signal is all its glory, 1080i or 720p. but it will be downconverted through the s-video or composite connectors to 480i. The fact that he can't display the HD version on his regular TV set is what he is missing.

BTW, on another note I used my RCA DTC-100 for months without an HDTV set, but it displayed nicely on a CRT monitor.

Originally posted by SteveWinNJ
No, He is getting the digital version station from the Hughes box. The box is capturing the signal is all its glory, 1080i or 720p. but it will be downconverted through the s-video or composite connectors to 480i. The fact that he can't display the HD version on his regular TV set is what he is missing.

BTW, on another note I used my RCA DTC-100 for months without an HDTV set, but it displayed nicely on a CRT monitor.

Hmmmmm...........now THAT'S interesting. I think I may see where MY confusion lies. My HD-SAT520 will either display HD or SD, but not at the same time. I never connected the SD portion of the STB, and when switching for HD to SD, I got sound, but no picture.............never thinking that the picture would be coming through the S or composite video. My bad.....sorry for any confusion! :eek:

Yes, That's why ReplayTv owners love the boxes that do both SD and HD at the same time, like the Samsung TS160. It's a way to record stuff on HDNET, etc in excellent widescreen quality. Although it's only 480p it looks nice! :)

(This point will be mute personally when my highly anticipated, pre-ordered HD Tivo arrives! :D )

Originally posted by SteveWinNJ
No, He is getting the digital version station from the Hughes box. The box is capturing the signal is all its glory, 1080i or 720p. but it will be downconverted through the s-video or composite connectors to 480i. The fact that he can't display the HD version on his regular TV set is what he is missing.

BTW, on another note I used my RCA DTC-100 for months without an HDTV set, but it displayed nicely on a CRT monitor.

Exactly, but, thankfully, this situation will be rectified in the very near future. Once my back-ordered Samsung dlp ships, (hopefully in the very near future) I'll be able to see the HD in all it's glory!:cool: And I am so happy to know that I don't have to spend any more cash to change my antenna. I had already budgeted out money for my conversion to HD and the purchase of all the new equipment (including 2 new TV's). Now, with the great $99 deal from DirecTV and not having to put out more cash for an antenna - I have a lot more money to play with. Now all I'm waiting on are the HD DirecTV Tivos, my back-ordered Samsung HLN437W, and the Samsung HLP T-Models to be released and I'll be all set.:)

Originally posted by GoldenBoy
Exactly, but, thankfully, this situation will be rectified in the very near future. Once my back-ordered Samsung dlp ships, (hopefully in the very near future) I'll be able to see the HD in all it's glory!:cool: And I am so happy to know that I don't have to spend any more cash to change my antenna. I had already budgeted out money for my conversion to HD and the purchase of all the new equipment (including 2 new TV's). Now, with the great $99 deal from DirecTV and not having to put out more cash for an antenna - I have a lot more money to play with. Now all I'm waiting on are the HD DirecTV Tivos, my back-ordered Samsung HLN437W, and the Samsung HLP T-Models to be released and I'll be all set.:)

Yeah..it just keeps getting better for us early adoptors in the NYC area. Good luck with your Sammy DLP, and the $99 box makes up for the initial price of the HD-TiVo.

Now we just need the combiner project completed so we can TiVo our OTA HDTV! :D

Originally posted by SteveWinNJ
Yes, That's why ReplayTv owners love the boxes that do both SD and HD at the same time, like the Samsung TS160. It's a way to record stuff on HDNET, etc in excellent widescreen quality. Although it's only 480p it looks nice! :)

(This point will be mute personally when my highly anticipated, pre-ordered HD Tivo arrives! :D )

Indeed! Is there any information on when those Hughes HD DirevTV Tivos are supposed to finally be released?

Originally posted by SteveWinNJ
Good luck with your Sammy DLP, and the $99 box makes up for the initial price of the HD-TiVo.

Thanks, and I'm really going to need it if all the reports of sync problems with the Samsung DLP's that are being reported bare out.


Now we just need the combiner project completed so we can TiVo our OTA HDTV! :D [/B]

What is the 'combiner project'?

What is the 'combiner project'?
Slippery, dirty, politically incorrect, frustrating, disgustingly late and lastly, evil.

Or, on a more optimistic note, a way to replant all digital network broadcasters on the empire state building antenna.

Originally posted by John Tillman
Slippery, dirty, politically incorrect, frustrating, disgustingly late and lastly, evil.

Or, on a more optimistic note, a way to replant all digital network broadcasters on the empire state building antenna.

Personally, I prefer your first description! ;)

Originally posted by John Tillman
Slippery, dirty, politically incorrect, frustrating, disgustingly late and lastly, evil.

Or, on a more optimistic note, a way to replant all digital network broadcasters on the empire state building antenna.

Ok. Thanks for the explanaion. I'm for it - NOW.;)

Has anyone noticed drop outs on WNBC-DT the last couple of nights. I'm not talking about digital freeze but where there is snow on the screen for a couple of seconds and then the picture comes back.

Haven't visited the forum much lately. I didn't see much mentioned about the combiner project at ESB. Is there a seperate thread for it? Last I heard it was going to be March, but obviously things got pussed back. Will I be able to get Mets games from WPIX-DT any time soon? Can't receive their week signal on channel 12. Thank for any insite.

June is the working target.

Originally posted by s2silber
June is the working target.

Boy, that word "target" scares me. :D

This whole "combiner" thing has turned out to be a bad joke.

Originally posted by Ken Ross
This whole "combiner" thing has turned out to be a bad joke.

Yeah, if I got WPIX-DT I wouldn't even care about it. But I can't get
WPIX-DT at their current low power.

Scott

I am in the NY Metro area. Today (Sunday) I am having bad reception problems on the CBS Digital channel - my signal strength is jumping around from Good to Bad quite a bit.

I recently changed from an LG box to a Hughes HTL - I have been told they are identical in their reception ability.

Is tyhis a local reception problem or a problem with the box? Any thoughts?

I am in the NY Metro area. Today (Sunday) I am having bad reception problems on the CBS Digital channel - my signal strength is jumping around from Good to Bad quite a bit.

I recently changed from an LG box to a Hughes HTL - I have been told they are identical in their reception ability.

Is tyhis a local reception problem or a problem with the box? Any thoughts?

I don't know about the LG and Hughes boxes, but CBS is coming in clearly for me.

BTW - WCBS-DTV 56 is broadcasting the NCAA games from Kansas City in 1080i and Dolby Digital. Looks and sounds amazing!

Could be some other problem box, antenna etc... the signal has been excellent I have been watching the game OTA since tip off with no issues.

Mine has been dropping in and out also for some reason. It's very windy here, so maybe that's the problem. Usually the CBS signal is rock-solid. I'm watching on the DirecTV feed now thoug and that's had no problems at all (save for an audio drop in the very beginning.) By the way, when are we going to get one these HD games to be competitive? They've been yawners so far.

I think some in the NYC area are experiencing OTA reception problems today due to strong winds. It has forced me to switch over to the D* feed.

Sorry sangs . . . you owe me a coke.

Got it that probably explains it then. Its clearly a reception issue as I can see the meter jumping around. Winds would explain it then...glad its not an equipment issue!

Thanks everyone.

Originally posted by ghostman
I don't know about the LG and Hughes boxes, but CBS is coming in clearly for me.

BTW - WCBS-DTV 56 is broadcasting the NCAA games from Kansas City in 1080i and Dolby Digital. Looks and sounds amazing!

Best part about this was that D* and DT-56 were broadcasting different games (at least when I was watching) so I could switch back and forth.

I have a question about ota reception. I usually get about 98% or higher on abc ota, fox comes in at about 90%, but cbs comes in at around 65-70% and nbc comes in at 60% or lower, if at all. Considering antennaweb said the signals are between 144-147 degrees i am wondering why i get such good levels on 2 stations and such low on the others? the line is split once. One goes into my tv and the other goes into my hdtv capture card. The cable that goes into my computer is abuot 25ft long. should i get a signal booster? thanks for your help

Different stations transmit at different power levels. NBC is very weak at the moment. The other three are much stronger.

Originally posted by nez0r
I have a question about ota reception. I usually get about 98% or higher on abc ota, fox comes in at about 90%, but cbs comes in at around 65-70% and nbc comes in at 60% or lower, if at all. Considering antennaweb said the signals are between 144-147 degrees i am wondering why i get such good levels on 2 stations and such low on the others? the line is split once. One goes into my tv and the other goes into my hdtv capture card. The cable that goes into my computer is abuot 25ft long. should i get a signal booster? thanks for your help

That's funny, because while I get strong signals and no issues (usually) from CBS, ABC and NBC, FOX is a pain in the rear for me. I always have to rotate the antenna about 6-to-10 degrees from the other stations just to pick it up and much of the time it still drops in and out. I'm glad the only thing I need it for is "24" and football.

Originally posted by lirong
Got it that probably explains it then. Its clearly a reception issue as I can see the meter jumping around. Winds would explain it then...glad its not an equipment issue!

Thanks everyone.
waiting for my HD Tivo and reading all i can.

Why does wind have anything to do with signal strength? Is it because people's antenna's arent firmly mounted and they move around? Or is there some way that wind can effect a signal- i'm no physicist but i didnt think that was possible?

Anyone have the lastest word on the combiner? Is it really being built?

It is being built, but it's not ready yet. Possibly June.

Originally posted by michaelk
Why does wind have anything to do with signal strength?
CBS-station engineer Lee Wood had a good explanation 1-2 years back if you want to search the archive. Believe it's mostly swaying branches/leaves influencing the UHF/VHF signals. -- John

wow- interesting
thanks

Is anyone having problems with WABC HD tonight?

Originally posted by Ken Ross
Is anyone having problems with WABC HD tonight? A friend IM'd me at 10:37 to ask the same thing; I didn't see it till 10:50, but when I checked then I had no signal from WABC.

ABC out of Boston was fine; so whatever the issue was it must've been local.

Thanks Doug. I do get a signal, but it's jumping all over the place and never locks into a picture.

Originally posted by Ken Ross
Thanks Doug. I do get a signal, but it's jumping all over the place and never locks into a picture. Well, my Zenith HD-SAT520 doesn't really show any sort of signal strength if there's not enough there for it to be decoding something, so "No signal" is all it managed to say.

I've had bad reception for the past week, even on WCBS-DT.

Had the same problem last night with WABC (7.1) here in Flushing, NY. My Sony HD300 signal meter was bouncing all over the place and couldn't lock in. Was up till 2AM fiddling with connections around the house thinking it was that. Actually it had done it yesterday late afternoon also.

Before I start moving my Silver Sensor, I check this thread.

Will WPIX broadcast Met home games in HD this season ?

Thanks in advance !

Ken, I had one brief dropout (< 10 seconds) on WABC tonight during the practice, and that's a lot better than I normally get WABC. Other than that, the signal was fine.

Funny, I was just wondering if they'd boosted their signal.

Rick

I'm seeing NBC 4-2 tonight for the first time.
Has the normal local news program on right now. about 9:17 pm

Westchester, NY Antenna Recommendation
I am looking for some recommendations for an OTA Antenna.

I am in Thornwood, NY about 30 miles North of the Empire State Building.


I would perfer an antenna I could install in my attic. My house is a two story house with a plywood roof and one layer of shingles.


The Silver Sensor looks interesting but, I have a feeling I might be just a bit too far for that antenna to pull in channels from NYC.

The Square Shooter would also be an option and that I could even mount outside on the satellite dish mast.

Or I could go with something larger in the attic. Something like a Channel Master 3010?

Do I need a preamp?


Thanks,
Jim

jcon, I'm about 25 miles east of the ESB and I get all 6 networks a pbs and a spanish station with an RCA-3036 roof mounted antenna and a cm preamp. WB drops out a lot for me. Hopefully the combiner project will clear that up. The rest are pretty consistent (NBC blows once in a while).

On another subject I was wondering if anyone knew why WB multicasts 4 channels (11-1, 11-2, 12-1 & 75-1) all with the same programming? I could see if they had different programs, but all the same show? Would there weak signal be any more consistent if they just sent out 1 channel?

I just hooked up my Hughes HTL-HD this past Friday and I have been picking up all of the CBS, NBC, FOX, ABC, UPN, WB, and WNET digital broadcasts, but I cannot get WNYC, WLIW, WNJN or WXTV (41). This morning, however, I notice that I cannot get the WNET broadcasts in. It is showing 'No Signal'. I am positive, however, that I was getting them before because on Saturday or Sunday night I was watching Nature in HD and WNETD is the only PBS station that I have ever picked up in D.

I'm in Maspeth (Queens) and my Antenna is pointed toward the ESB.

Just curious if anyone else has noticed a decrease in SS from 4-1 (Digital 28)??? I have two separate CM4228's with pre-amps hooked up for my 3 HD STB's......and on all 3 TV's I've noticed that 28's signal has decreased markedly. The last time I had checked the signal strength on WNBC-DT (2 weeks or so ago) I had a reading of 93 on my E86's....yet last night I noticed one STB was reading a 44 and a 2nd one (hooked up to a different CM4228) had a reading of 65. All the other NYC locals were pegged at 100. Wonder if it has anything to do with leaves coming in on the trees???

I only say that because IIRC WNBC-DT went live in the late fall....when foilage would have been decreased (if not totally gone).

Anyone else (more importantly those who HAD a solid lock on 28-1) see a decrease in Signal Strength/Quality lately???

I have 2 rotors.....but didn't have a chance to futz with them last night or this AM......and figured it strange that all the other locals were solid...and just 28-1 was down. I thought maybe the wind could've moved the antenna's a bit.....but, again, it was on the signal off of EACH antenna.

:confused:

I wonder if an amp would work for me? The only problem is, I have 6 sets hooked up to my antenna and, I'm not sure, but I think there may be splitters involved. It was installed professionally 10 years ago, so my recollection of how it was done is faded.

I've also got the LG LSS 3200A with a CM 4228 antenna, and no two days are the same when it comes to signal strength and locking in one or more stations. It's literally a day-in, day-out situation due to the fact that most of the stations are on temporary transmitters and whatever atmospheric conditions may be occuring at the time. I turn on the TV and it's just pot luck whether I'm going to get a solid signal on one, some or all stations. When it's good, it's good; when it's not it's not. Hopefully, it will all be more reliable when the combiner project is finished.

I've noticed the signal strength on 4-1 lower in the last week on my MYHD card, but still pretty strong on my STB. Maybe NBC is doing something.

Hi everyone,

I live in New Jersey with a clear view of the Empire State Building, about 5 miles away, I'm using a Silver Sensor to pull in my programming and am pleased with what shows up on my set. I get 2-1, 4-1, 4-2, 5-1, 5-2, 7-1,
7-2, 11-1, 11-2, 12-1, 21-1, 21-2 and 75-1 all without moving the antenna at all.

Are there any other stations I should be getting that I am not?

Wasn't fox(5-1) supposed to be HD capable by now...I never see anything but SD material on there?

A few questions about WPIX (11-1,11-2, 12-1, 75-1)...

-Why do they have all these stations?

-I mean am I seeing this incorrectly or do they have more broadcasting channels than abc, nbc and cbs combined?

-Also, it seems that they(11-1 etc.) are cropping the 4:3 source material to fill the widescreen format in kind of a reverse pan and scan scheme.....whereby from time to time Felix and Oscar's heads are cut off on Odd Couple reruns then upconverted....are they doing this and will they continue doing this for everything they broadcast?

Last month I remember watching The Tonight Show in widescreen and it looked awesome....the last couple times I watched it it had those gray bars, or whatever one should call them, but the info button always lists it as HD which is not the case unless it's widescreen right?

Finally, Conan O'brien I've been getting in that quasi widescreen mode where there are no bars bordering the image yet the image does not fill the screen width.....whatever the hell one calls that? Yet that particular show looks very much to my eye to be HD quality even though my understanding is that if it's not filling the width it's not HD?....even though the info button states HD content, which I suppose is just a matter of whether it's upconverted or native content?

Apparently, WLIW-DT has ceased transmitting the PBS HD Channel (21.1). The only other area station broadcasting this channel is WNET-DT, which most of us cannot receive! This is a major tragedy and loss for area folks who came to love it's wonderful programming and stunning PQ. Makes you wonder, what were they thinking!

I received WLIW-DT's PBS HD Channel with no trouble in Lower Westchester using a rooftop antenna. So did many other folks who came to feel it had the best programming of all area OTA channels. This is not progress towards bringing quality DTV to the area. It is a tremendous step backward! We will seriously miss this channel.

Maybe if everyone affected would let WLIW know that this is a tremendous mistake, perhaps we might have a chance to reverse the decision. Please call WLIW at 516-367-2100 to let them know how you feel, or visit their website wliw.org to send an email or fill out a viewer comments message.

Thanks for listening.

WLIW-DT is now showing up as channel 22.1 on antenna web but I'm not finding anything there right now.

Has anyone else been having issues with FOX and WPIX? I used to pull these in easily - especially WPIX - and now for the last week or so, no matter where I rotate the rooftop antenna (it's connected through an amp), I can't get the signals to stay solid. FOX is a stuttering mess and I haven't seen a picture on WPIX in a few days. I'm having no problem with the other channels, just these two. Anything up? Thanks.

Have you tried getting NJN on ch 50?

Is anyone not getting The George Lopez on HDTV? Its just showing black for me and is only showing the commercials on screen.

Originally posted by trekkerj
Have you tried getting NJN on ch 50?

Yes, that's actually been coming in gangbusters lately. I used to have to move the rotor quite a bit to get it, but in the last week or so, no movement and all the digital channels come in great.

Originally posted by sangs
Yes, that's actually been coming in gangbusters lately. I used to have to move the rotor quite a bit to get it, but in the last week or so, no movement and all the digital channels come in great.

All I get is the demo loop from 50-5. They stopped showing actual programming several weeks ago.

Do you guys think the square shooter can help me get this channel from Central New Jersey? I know the specs say over 50 miles, but I wonder if anyone here is doing more than 50. I have read this thread, but it was a while ago and I don't remember if anyone mentioned the distance they are able to pull in.

If not, can anyone recommed a good antenna guy to set me up with the right antenna. What one must do to watch Enterprise in HD!!!!

Thxs.

from antennaweb:

C.O. - Compass Orientation
M.F. - Miles From
F.A. - Frequency Assignment
**************************CO MF FA
WPSG 57 UPN PHILADELPHIA PA 257° 56.9 57

Originally posted by HDTVplus
Hi everyone,


Wasn't fox(5-1) supposed to be HD capable by now...I never see anything but SD material on there?

A few questions about WPIX (11-1,11-2, 12-1, 75-1)...

-Why do they have all these stations?

-I mean am I seeing this incorrectly or do they have more broadcasting channels than abc, nbc and cbs combined?

-

1) No FOX is not broadcasting HD at this time FOX is slated to start broadcasting in 720p sometime in September of 2004.

2) Not sure about the reasoning behind WPIX's multicasting scheme however channel 12 is the actual VHF assignment WPIX-DT is broadcasting from. 11-1 and 11-2 are the re-maps of VHF channel 12.

75-1 is the national WB network digital feed. The logic being that no matter where ever you go through out the country if you tune to channel 75-1 you will be able to watch WB network digital programming.

3&4) Multicasting (while not the best thing in the world for picture quality) is being done by a number of stations for various reasons. From what I have seen most (but not all) broadcast a SD version of their programming and an HD version (when available) of their programming.

Originally posted by slocko
Do you guys think the square shooter can help me get this channel from Central New Jersey? I know the specs say over 50 miles, but I wonder if anyone here is doing more than 50. I have read this thread, but it was a while ago and I don't remember if anyone mentioned the distance they are able to pull in.

If not, can anyone recommed a good antenna guy to set me up with the right antenna. What one must do to watch Enterprise in HD!!!!

Thxs.

from antennaweb:

C.O. - Compass Orientation
M.F. - Miles From
F.A. - Frequency Assignment
**************************CO MF FA
WPSG 57 UPN PHILADELPHIA PA 257° 56.9 57

Honestly it is very difficult to say if the Square shooter or any antenna for that matter will work for you. Reason being there are so many variables involved (terrain, elevation, distance from the transmitter etc...)

If someone in your area is using it; that can give you an idea of what to expect but that’s about it. For example I am in Freehold south of you and I am using the Zenith Silver Sensor indoors and I can pick up WPSG. I would recommend using a cheaper alternative first to get a feel for what you can receive in your location and work from there.

Just a suggestion.

Thanks for the response. Since you are in freehold you might be closer to WSPG than me since you are more south than me. But it gives me hope.

The distance is 57 miles according to antennaweb.

Originally posted by slocko
Thanks for the response. Since you are in freehold you might be closer to WSPG than me since you are more south than me. But it gives me hope.

The distance is 57 miles according to antennaweb.

You can try asking this question on the Central NJ thread on the local forum. I'm in Monroe and I have two different CM 4228's at different heights and 57-1 out of Philly was NEVER a problem on either one. It boomed as did 26-1 (KYW CBS) out of Philly on both antennas----before I put up a pre-amp as well.

Has anyone discovered whether WCBS-DT will be carrying Masters golf Thur/Fri afternoons? While CBS HD national is providing this weekday HD coverage, only certain HD stations are departing from their analog-station's schedule. Seems a shame if the network's flagship station doesn't provide weekday coverage while other cities do. Thanks. -- John

Originally posted by sangs
Has anyone else been having issues with FOX and WPIX? I used to pull these in easily - especially WPIX - and now for the last week or so, no matter where I rotate the rooftop antenna (it's connected through an amp), I can't get the signals to stay solid. FOX is a stuttering mess and I haven't seen a picture on WPIX in a few days. I'm having no problem with the other channels, just these two. Anything up? Thanks.

I have noticed troubles particularly with WPIX 11-1 (and/or 11-2, 11-3, etc.) over the last 4 or 5 days. Not sure if it's just the high winds or what, but holding a picture has been a chore. Also noticed that D* Sat. B was having trouble yesterday afternoon holding a picture while trying to watch Metrostars/Columbus soccer in HD, so maybe there's a relationship.

Originally posted by Remus
I have noticed troubles particularly with WPIX 11-1 (and/or 11-2, 11-3, etc.) over the last 4 or 5 days. Not sure if it's just the high winds or what, but holding a picture has been a chore. Also noticed that D* Sat. B was having trouble yesterday afternoon holding a picture while trying to watch Metrostars/Columbus soccer in HD, so maybe there's a relationship.

There appears to be a couple of different issues with SAT "B" (119) that have been going on for a while. Hop over to the HDTV Hardware forum there are a couple of current threads on the situation.

This one is currently going in the HDTV Programming forum
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=387412

Hello again!

As I did at Thanksgiving, I will be returning to Fair Lawn, NJ for Easter. Has anything changed digital-wise since then?

Looking at the FCC database:

WCBS is the same.
WNBC is still broadcasting their pathetic 10.5 kW signal.
WNYW is the same
WABC is the same.
WWOR has a 170 kW STA. Are they doing HDTV yet?
WPIX is the same
WNET is still broadcasting their pathetic 2.66 kW signal.
WNYE... are they back on the air yet?
WPXN still has a 100 kW STA... are they on the air yet?
WXTV is the same
WNJU... anything there yet?
WNJN said something about 200 kW a few months back... has this materialized?
WTBY... they still have a .5 kW STA listed. Weren't they supposed to go full-power?
WRNN is the same
WMBC is the same
WFME... have they increased from their 2 kW yet?
WFUT has a 150 kW STA, is that on the air yet?

Thanks!

- Trip

Originally posted by Trip in VA
Hello again!

As I did at Thanksgiving, I will be returning to Fair Lawn, NJ for Easter. Has anything changed digital-wise since then?

Looking at the FCC database:

WCBS is the same.
WNBC is still broadcasting their pathetic 10.5 kW signal.
WNYW is the same
WABC is the same.
WWOR has a 170 kW STA. Are they doing HDTV yet?
WPIX is the same
WNET is still broadcasting their pathetic 2.66 kW signal.
WNYE... are they back on the air yet?
WPXN still has a 100 kW STA... are they on the air yet?
WXTV is the same
WNJU... anything there yet?
WNJN said something about 200 kW a few months back... has this materialized?
WTBY... they still have a .5 kW STA listed. Weren't they supposed to go full-power?
WRNN is the same
WMBC is the same
WFME... have they increased from their 2 kW yet?
WFUT has a 150 kW STA, is that on the air yet?

Thanks!

- Trip

WWOR-DT is not doing HDTV.
WPXN-DT dont think its on the air.
WNJN-DT has upped the juice.

Just an FYI on WLIW no longer broadcasting:

"Dear Viewer:

This is a temporary situation while new programs and equipment are being worked on.

Thank you for your interest.

Sincerely,

WLIW21
Viewer Relations"

Originally posted by Trip in VA
Looking at the FCC database:



Just out of curiosity, what FCC database do you go to?

Originally posted by DumbLuck
Just an FYI on WLIW no longer broadcasting:

"Dear Viewer:

This is a temporary situation while new programs and equipment are being worked on.

Thank you for your interest.

Sincerely,

WLIW21
Viewer Relations"

DumbLuck-

If it is true that WLIW-DT has stopped broadcasting PBS HD Channel only temporarily, then that is very good news. But I spoke with them late last week, and at that time it seemed like a permanent decision. That's why my original post sounded so dire. No mention of programming or equipment issues.

The part about "new programs" doesn't make any sense, since the PBS HD Channel is a national PBS feed. It doesn't originate at WLIW. It already exists with complete programming, "fully packaged 24/7 channel" according to the PBS press release. Even before it debuted in early March, WLIW-DT was showing the HD loop every day (although I never checked it in the middle of the night).

If the interruption is for new equipment installation, then I suppose that might be a good thing. But, again, that was never mentioned to me.

I'll see if they respond to my feedback message the same as they did to yours. I'll also phone them before week's end to see if I can get more info.

In the meantime, WLIW must bring it back. Or WNET-DT needs to transmit so that folks can actually receive the signal. In other words, the NYC metro area needs the PBS HD Channel OTA!! I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Jezebel

Originally posted by dturturro
Just out of curiosity, what FCC database do you go to?

Try this link:
http://www.fcc.gov/mb/video/tvq.html
GT

Originally posted by jezebel
DumbLuck-

If it is true that WLIW-DT has stopped broadcasting PBS HD Channel only temporarily, then that is very good news. But I spoke with them late last week, and at that time it seemed like a permanent decision. That's why my original post sounded so dire. No mention of programming or equipment issues.

The part about "new programs" doesn't make any sense, since the PBS HD Channel is a national PBS feed. It doesn't originate at WLIW. It already exists with complete programming, "fully packaged 24/7 channel" according to the PBS press release. Even before it debuted in early March, WLIW-DT was showing the HD loop every day (although I never checked it in the middle of the night).

If the interruption is for new equipment installation, then I suppose that might be a good thing. But, again, that was never mentioned to me.

I'll see if they respond to my feedback message the same as they did to yours. I'll also phone them before week's end to see if I can get more info.

In the meantime, WLIW must bring it back. Or WNET-DT needs to transmit so that folks can actually receive the signal. In other words, the NYC metro area needs the PBS HD Channel OTA!! I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Jezebel

I think NJN may have made the same decision as well, I checked 52-5 the other night and it was dark all night.

wward -
I tried to get WNJN-DT for the first time last weekend. Was able to receive it by turning my antenna on its rotator toward Jersey. There was programming on the first four subchannels, but number five, which is the HD Channel, was dark.

So there it is ---- no PBS HD Channel OTA in the NY metro area. The PBS press release dated 2/25/04 states "the PBS HD Channel will be available from local PBS stations that have transitioned to digital broadcasting . . ." and then goes on to boast that "there are currently 236 local PBS stations on the air with digital signals, reaching more than 85 percent of U.S. TV households."

But if you live in the NY metro area and want to receive it, you're out of luck. Wish I knew what was up.

jezebel

Originally posted by George Thompson
Try this link:
http://www.fcc.gov/mb/video/tvq.html
GT

That's the database I use.

Thanks for the help. So WWOR-DT is on the air now? Last time I brought my tuner up to NJ it was on 5-2 rather than 9-1. Glad to hear that's finally fixed.

Hey, is WNYW-DT doing 720p yet, or are they still in 480p?

Also, what about WFUT-DT? Have they put that more powerful STA up yet?

And lastly, what is taking PAX so long? They were granted that STA at least 6 months ago. Not that PAX has anything good on, I just like seeing digital stations.

- Trip

Originally posted by Trip in VA
So WWOR-DT is on the air now? Last time I brought my tuner up to NJ it was on 5-2 rather than 9-1. Glad to hear that's finally fixed.
WWOR-DT, channel 38, is not on the air.

Tonight around 9 pm 4/7/04 wnjn was brodcasting a HD program on 50-5 , some new jersey four seasons promo , a real showcase program.

They've been doing that for months, at least.

Anyone know of a good (cheap) OTA antenna installer in Floral Park, NY?

Is it possible to get an update on the combiner thats supposed to up in June? Any word on if its on schedule or if its not. I really would love if this thing got off the ground. As it is right now ...I cant get NBC or WPIX at all. Anyone live in the Great Kills area in Staten Island have any success with OTA?

Originally posted by vinnyv07
Is it possible to get an update on the combiner thats supposed to up in June? Any word on if its on schedule or if its not. I really would love if this thing got off the ground. As it is right now ...I cant get NBC or WPIX at all. Anyone live in the Great Kills area in Staten Island have any success with OTA?

My parents are in Huguenot using a rooftop RS Yagi (the $19.99 one) that I installed 2 stories up (without a pre-amp). STB is an OTA Samsung T151(???)--they can pick up digital 2,4,5 (and 9), 7, 50 (or 52?) out of NJ and I think 53 (Spanish??) but NOT 11 or 13.

Originally posted by KJ_HD
Tonight around 9 pm 4/7/04 wnjn was brodcasting a HD program on 50-5 , some new jersey four seasons promo , a real showcase program.

No HD ON 52-5.

50-5 is only on at night.

Originally posted by trekkerj
50-5 is only on at night.

Thanks I realize that; its the same thing with 52-5 its also only availible in the evening. I was just commenting that 52-5 was dark again last night.

What's 52-5?

Originally posted by trekkerj
What's 52-5?

Channel 43-1,2,3,4,5 WNJT-DT maps to channel 52-1,2,3,4,5

52-5 is their HD channel

Hey jaypb!! My house is a single family low ranch. I tried that Ant at the highest point of my house with no luck....I have alot of trees blocking my way...but Im trying not to give up. Anyone else live near great kills in Staten Island?

Originally posted by vinnyv07
Hey jaypb!! My house is a single family low ranch. I tried that Ant at the highest point of my house with no luck....I have a lot of trees blocking my way...but I’m trying not to give up. Anyone else live near great kills in Staten Island?


I've tried to get NBC and WB a few different ways too Vinny. I have a clear view of the VZ Bridge no tress at all and still can't get ether one of them high enough to watch. I've tried pre-amp, real amps, moving the ant, other ants, nothing works for me.
Let me know if you get ether one of these high enough to watch and how you did it.


Heres my stats (from the last time I tweaked the ant.)

Staten Island, NY.
New Dorp

CBS 2-1 (56-1) 100%
FOX 5-1 (44-1) 100%
UPN 5-2 (44-2) 100%
PBS 13-x (61-x) 55%
PIX 11-1 (12-1) 20%
ABC 7-1 (45-1) 100%
NBC 4-1 (28-1) 06%
NET 50-x (50-x) 55%
FUT 68-1 (53-1) 55%


Rcvr- LST-3510A & DST-3000
Ant- RS 15-2152
Tv- Samsung HLN617w

Anyone else notice that NBC-DT is broadcasting with the Pro Logic flag on? Very nice. I'd prefer 5.1, but this beats having to switch to PL manually every time I change channels.

I thought if your a/v receiver was set to pro logic for a particular input, it would make everything pro-logic?????

Why would a flag make a difference?

My revceiver has an auto-digital option, which I need to select or some digital channels don't decode at all. If I select PL and change the channel (or audio drops out), the receiver resets itself to whatever that channel is broadcasting. I've seen this on a couple of receivers, so its not all that uncommon.

i'm a mile or two or 3 from ESB.. i get 100% on cbs and fox. NBC is like 48% and some spanish crap stations comes in @ about 65%

where is ABC? i'm using a silver sensor.

i'm in dumbo, brooklyn - clear shot of manhattan skyline.

The results are the same on my old sony HD100 and my Hipix.

does anybody when WPIX is going to increase their power? I live in rosedale, queens, about 17 miles away from ESB. With the stealth antenna i get about:
CBS-90
nbc-75
fox-80
abc-95
wpix-10-15 can't tune in a signal

When the combiner is completed, hopefully June.

We should all know by now to laugh at any combiner 'completion dates'. I've lost count of how many have come and gone by now. I'll believe it when I see it.

I said June...I didn't say what year. :)

hahaha, that's a trick Q. But if it is being built that is more hope then not. Brooklyn depending on your location isn't so bad. I get all local DT ch including WPIX & WNBC,ABC CBS FOX & WNJN and all it's subs w/a crappy dual band on a 2 story w/little obstruction. peace

fmonkey-

Originally posted by trekkerj
I said June...I didn't say what year. :)

Originally posted by jezebel
wward -
I tried to get WNJN-DT for the first time last weekend. Was able to receive it by turning my antenna on its rotator toward Jersey. There was programming on the first four subchannels, but number five, which is the HD Channel, was dark.

So there it is ---- no PBS HD Channel OTA in the NY metro area. The PBS press release dated 2/25/04 states "the PBS HD Channel will be available from local PBS stations that have transitioned to digital broadcasting . . ." and then goes on to boast that "there are currently 236 local PBS stations on the air with digital signals, reaching more than 85 percent of U.S. TV households."

But if you live in the NY metro area and want to receive it, you're out of luck. Wish I knew what was up.

jezebel

Is WLIW-DT still dark? looks like NJN is back I saw the demo loop on WNJT-DT 52-5 Saturday night.

Just curious when WABC-DT starting pushing through PSIP info for 7-2. I just noticed it yesterday AM whilst tooling around. I'm using a D* Hughes E86....so I guess the guide info came from D*?

WW, I also saw it up w/the loop. I was very glad to see it also. Maybe the rumors are not true. I kind of missed the loop

f

Originally posted by wward
Is WLIW-DT still dark? looks like NJN is back I saw the demo loop on WNJT-DT 52-5 Saturday night.

Hi Ken,

I am not questioning what you are saying, i just thought all receivers behaved like mine. Sorry.

On my a/v receiver, it automatically switches to 5.1 when ever it detects 5.1 and performs dolby prolic ii on everything else.



Originally posted by KenA
My revceiver has an auto-digital option, which I need to select or some digital channels don't decode at all. If I select PL and change the channel (or audio drops out), the receiver resets itself to whatever that channel is broadcasting. I've seen this on a couple of receivers, so its not all that uncommon.

Originally posted by jaypb
Just curious when WABC-DT starting pushing through PSIP info for 7-2. I just noticed it yesterday AM whilst tooling around. I'm using a D* Hughes E86....so I guess the guide info came from D*?

The guide data (what little there is) comes from the station. The only thing I see listed is DTV Program with ratings time and date.

What stations exactly are supposed to be broadcast via this 'combiner' project? And, is WNET-DT actually broadcasting or not? My antenna is on the roof, pointed right at the ESB, clear line of site only about 3 miles away in Maspeth, Queens and I don't pick up any PBS digital broadcasts (WNET, WLIW, WNJN, WNYE, etc.). Should that be?

GB, I could be wrong but from what I read all metro area broadcasters will be using the "Combiner" with a few having a back up in different location. Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Right now I am getting all 5 WNJN's. The only thing I can think of is try tweeking your antenny:) If that doesn't work maybe WNJN's transmission are being sent from the opposite direction of where you are. Good luck!

f

Originally posted by GoldenBoy
What stations exactly are supposed to be broadcast via this 'combiner' project? And, is WNET-DT actually broadcasting or not? My antenna is on the roof, pointed right at the ESB, clear line of site only about 3 miles away in Maspeth, Queens and I don't pick up any PBS digital broadcasts (WNET, WLIW, WNJN, WNYE, etc.). Should that be?

Thanks.

Originally posted by GoldenBoy
What stations exactly are supposed to be broadcast via this 'combiner' project? And, is WNET-DT actually broadcasting or not? My antenna is on the roof, pointed right at the ESB, clear line of site only about 3 miles away in Maspeth, Queens and I don't pick up any PBS digital broadcasts (WNET, WLIW, WNJN, WNYE, etc.). Should that be?

WNJN-DT and WNET-DT do not broadcast from Empire State. NJN Broadcast it’s programming from New Jersey, WNET-DT broadcast from their studios in mid-town at low directional power.

Anyone know if anything special has to be one on a DISH 811 receiver to show the OTA program guide?

I used to get the OTA program guide from WCBS and some other station when I used a Motorolla STB. The Dish 811 just says local digital.

Thanks

Originally posted by wward
The guide data (what little there is) comes from the station. The only thing I see listed is DTV Program with ratings time and date.

Hmmmm......I was under the assumption that any D* HD receivers received their guide data/PSIP from a database that (ZAPTOIT???) D* downloads to your STB. For example my parents have a Samsung OTA T-151 and IIRC it gets NO PSIP data for the NYC locals (or NJN stations) ?!?!

I was going to rotate back towards Philly to see if any of the Philly ABC subchannels showed any guide data (6-2/6-3) as opposed to the "regular programming" mantra that was pretty standard 6 months ago when I regularly faced Philly.

:confused:

Originally posted by GoldenBoy
What stations exactly are supposed to be broadcast via this 'combiner' project? WCBS-DT, WNBC-DT, WABC-DT, WWOR-DT, WPIX-DT, WNET-DT.

Originally posted by jaypb
Hmmmm......I was under the assumption that any D* HD receivers received their guide data/PSIP from a database that (ZAPTOIT???) D* downloads to your STB. For example my parents have a Samsung OTA T-151 and IIRC it gets NO PSIP data for the NYC locals (or NJN stations) ?!?!

I was going to rotate back towards Philly to see if any of the Philly ABC subchannels showed any guide data (6-2/6-3) as opposed to the "regular programming" mantra that was pretty standard 6 months ago when I regularly faced Philly.

:confused:

Not sure how the other STB's work but the guide info for my box (F38310)r comes from the stations.

Originally posted by wward
Not sure how the other STB's work but the guide info for my box (F38310)r comes from the stations.

That's the RCA STB buit into the TV correct?

Is it a D* receiver as well?

Originally posted by jaypb
That's the RCA STB buit into the TV correct?

Is it a D* receiver as well?

Yes thats correct and it is a DirecTv receiver.

Anyone else experience some Tropo last night? I was doing a channel scan around 12:30 last night and I had NJN lock in crystal clear for the first time.

Originally posted by wward
Yes thats correct and it is a DirecTv receiver.

I noticed that 4-2 still shows "Regular Programming" on my E86. Will be interesting to see if the guide info pops up there as well.

Originally posted by seldenpat
Anyone else experience some Tropo last night? I was doing a channel scan around 12:30 last night and I had NJN lock in crystal clear for the first time.

Saw a bump up on the NY locals starting around 7pm last night. I didnt pick up anyting new what clued me in was WABC-DT was rock steady all evening. I usually experience drop outs once in while due to the low power output.

What's tropo?

Originally posted by s2silber
What's tropo? http://www.iprimus.ca/~hepburnw/tropo.html

Interesting. Thanks. All I know is that my ability to lock in WABC-DT and, to a lesser extent, WNYW-DT, has been wildly erratic. It's literally day in and day out. Can anyone tell from this map whether reception during the spring months is going to be any more reliable? The best reception I've had since WABC-DT went back up was during those really clear, frigid days in January.

Originally posted by Bogney Baux
WCBS-DT, WNBC-DT, WABC-DT, WWOR-DT, WPIX-DT, WNET-DT.
I'm glad you knew the signers of the pact. The "Combiner" is not a panacea and has a limited useful rated power load as does the antenna panels. Coverage should be 85% of WTC. Let us hope everything goes as planned.
GT

Originally posted by s2silber
Interesting. Thanks. All I know is that my ability to lock in WABC-DT and, to a lesser extent, WNYW-DT, has been wildly erratic. It's literally day in and day out. Can anyone tell from this map whether reception during the spring months is going to be any more reliable? The best reception I've had since WABC-DT went back up was during those really clear, frigid days in January.

Keeping in mind atmospheric conditions are hard to predict from one day to the next the spring and fall months generally have some of the best tropo effects

who do you email to get WLIW HD back?
I emailed viewers_Choise@wliw
never got a reply.

Originally posted by bjohn
who do you email to get WLIW HD back?
I emailed viewers_Choise@wliw
never got a reply.

Is that a typo? The WLIW website (wliw.org) says the email address is viewers_voice@wliw.pbs.org. You can go to wliw.org and click on "contact 21."

I did a feedback message (the bottom part of that page) on April 3 and received no reply. Called again last week and received no reply.

It's unbelievable that just as the PBS HD Channel on WLIW was in full swing, they just delete that channel with no warning. It might be different if WNET-DT were an option, but no one I know can receive it. And WNJN apparently has very limited PBS HD programming (other than the loop) and is difficult or impossible for many New Yorkers to receive OTA.

You would never know that this area is the number one market in the country!

I'm going to send another message to WLIW. Please, everyone who is concerned, please let them know how you feel (again and again). Their phone: 516-367-2100, their fax 516-692-7629.

Thanks,
jezebel

No, it's not a typo actually. I just didn't bother to type the whole email address on the forum. But I Did email the right people. Like you, I send it to viewers_choice and I also used the feedback form. No response.

Maybe I'll give a call.

I noticed this week that Channel 53.1 WFUT is now full scale here on Staten Island!! I checked it a few times so it is not conditions, apparently they upgraded the signal, it is now as strong as Channel 2.1!! Also looking at the plan for the combiner project, if Channel 9, 38.1 is going on the combiner on the CBS antenna,why didnt Fox put it on their antenna with 44.1 at the same location??,they could have done it 2 years ago instead of the 5.1. and 5.2 stupidity???Both channels are owned by the same company!!!

Just curious if anyone else noticed a loss in guide info for 4-1 starting at about 9:30 last night? Was still missing this AM....on ALL 4 of my D* E86 receivers that I use for OTA reception.

:confused:

Originally posted by jaypb
Just curious if anyone else noticed a loss in guide info for 4-1 starting at about 9:30 last night? Was still missing this AM....on ALL 4 of my D* E86 receivers that I use for OTA reception.

:confused:

Yes, I noticed that last ngiht as well (standard "Regular Programming" lingo). Didn't get a chance to check this morning though!

Originally posted by WalterK
I noticed this week that Channel 53.1 WFUT is now full scale here on Staten Island!! I checked it a few times so it is not conditions, apparently they upgraded the signal, it is now as strong as Channel 2.1!! Also looking at the plan for the combiner project, if Channel 9, 38.1 is going on the combiner on the CBS antenna,why didnt Fox put it on their antenna with 44.1 at the same location??,they could have done it 2 years ago instead of the 5.1. and 5.2 stupidity???Both channels are owned by the same company!!!

WFUT has an STA for about 150 kW (a bit less than half of WCBS-DT's power) from the Times Square thing. Now if only WWOR-DT would bring on their 170 kW STA...

- Trip

Just got the following email from WLIW concerning their HD programming:

Thank you for your recent inquiry regarding WLIW's digital
service. WLIW Create launched April 1 as the first step in an exciting
evolution of digital content for New York public television viewers.
WLIW Create, broadcasting from Plainview, Long Island, is available
over-the-air on channel DT 22-3 to viewers with digital receivers
throughout the region. WLIWDT 21-1 is no longer broadcasting the PBS
HDTV schedule but viewers can still find that programming on Thirteen
HD* (see listings below). WLIW21's analog schedule will continue to air
on the digital 22-2 channel.

WLIW Create takes advantage of the new digital spectrum assigned
to both WLIW21 and our sister station, Thirteen/WNET, to offer new
viewing options for our community - presenting alternative air times for
popular programs and allowing us to go into our program libraries to
present content that doesn't currently air on channels 21 and 13.

WLIW Create invites viewers to take a hands-on approach to life
through a "do-it-yourself" library of series and specials on cooking,
renovating, collecting, painting, crafts, traveling, gardening, and
more. With this new service, and the others that will follow in the
coming months, public television enters a new era in which we have more
opportunities than ever before to give our viewers innovative ways to
focus in on the kinds of programming that addresses their interests and
perspectives.

The WLIW Create 24-hour digital service features such public
television favorites as This Old House, New Yankee Workshop, Jacques
Pepin Celebrates!, Lidia's Italian-American Kitchen, Martin Yan's
Chinatowns, Globe Trekker, Travels in Europe With Rick Steves, Passport
to Adventure The Best of Simply Painting, One Stroke Painting With Donna
Dewberry, and Antiques Roadshow - just to name a few. For your
convenience, the program schedule is broadcast after every show.

*Thirteen HD is available over the air (limited mostly to access
in New Jersey) and on:

Time Warner/channel 713
Cablevision/channel 713
Comcast/channel 190
RCN/channel 189 (Manhattan and Queens)
RCN/channel 184 (other locations)


WLIW21
Viewer Services



Since there's no mention of HD content on WLIW Create, it looks like HD may be dead at this point on WLIW.

Oh well, that sucks, NO HD.

http://wb11.trb.com/entertainment/hidef/wpix-dtvhome,0,2085891.htmlstory?coll=wpix-hidef-utility

That says 11 will broadcast part of WNET (still no HD)

don't know how old that info is...

What a load of crap! It's not like the damn HD signals were overlapping! No one in LI can even get channel 13.

So instead of HD, I get a load of crap do it yourself programming that is proliferating all over TV anyway.

Dolan must have forced them so more Long Islanders would subscribe to cable to get PBS-HD.

I'm glad I didn't donate now!

P.S. HD was the only reason I had to watch the damn channel. Now it gets deleted (hidden) from my box! NO PBS SD will be viewed in my household -- EVER! How do you like that WLIW?

Just when they had some cool Nova episodes in HD!

The evil Dolans can't be blamed for everything - just most things!

If there is blame, place it with WLIW's choice not to broadcast in High Definition. They have no legal obligation to broadcast High Definition, ever. Only market pressure, meaning viewers can change the station's mind.

The true villain is the FCC. In its total stupidity, the rules are written concerning Digital Television - not High Definition.

The powerful NAB (National Association of Broadcasters) I'm sure, lobbied like mad before the Commission and Congress to make sure that television stations would not be forced to transmit High Definition - only Digital.

Please remember that all High Definition broadcasting is digital, but not all digital is High Definition.

But if you want to bash the Dolans, go right ahead. I blame them for the terrible weather we've been having!

Gary Press

Good one, Gary! I was wondering who to blame about the weather!!!

Glad you picked up on the "tounge in cheek" nature of the Dolan comment!

Regardless, the news sucks and I always felt it was bad business to offer something and then take it away later on.

If viewers are upset with WLIW's decision, then they must call, e-mail, phone, write the station and let the station know of their displeasure.

Also, contact WNET, thirteen - it owns WLIW!

Gary Press

Originally posted by Gary Press
If viewers are upset with WLIW's decision, then they must call, e-mail, phone, write the station and let the station know of their displeasure.

Also, contact WNET, thirteen - it owns WLIW!

Gary Press

Guys, thanks for your posts regarding PBS HD Channel on WLIW-HD.

I just gotta say, this is an outrageously ridiculous turn of events. Tease us for a coupla months with the stunning programming, and then just take it away?? What's the point? What did they prove to themselves by broadcasting for only a few months?

Only around nine people can get WNET-DT OTA, and they all live on the same block in Jersey.

This is about forcing folks to pay big bucks for cable. Why did PBS create their HD Channel? So only the "elite" folks could view it? In the NY area there are tons of folks who do OTA only. What about low-income folks? Is there some discrimination at work here?

Sorry, I'm just venting. WLIW has not responded to my messages at all. But I'm not finished. Next stop on my message list -- EBC's Bill Baker and the other corporate officers.

Gary's right, we have to let them know --- more than once and to more than one entity.

jezebel

One more question:

On my Samsung 151, prior to April 1st, WLIW-DT channel 22 mapped to 21-1 (PBS HD) and 21-2 (regular WLIW programming). Now the new Create programming is on 21-3, and 21-2 is still the regular programming. So why was 21-1 deleted entirely? If they have no plan to ever bring back PBS HD, why didn't they put the Create channel or their regular programming on 21-1?

Seems odd to me. Any ideas?

jezebel

Who knows why they do what they do. Only they can answer that question. I can only hope that they're leaving 21-1 open to bring back HD.

If someone wants to search through the archives, I believe when WLIW first came on the lead engineer or someone posted the engineers phone number. I live local to the station and even called them up my self because I was having problems receiving it. Turns out I am in the shadow of the transmitter and that causes my problems. But again if someone wants to search you may be able to find out the guys name and number.... It was around feb of 2003

Check this thread out its from 2002 read the second post from the top it lists a phone number for WLIW engineering.

http://archive.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=1396059&highlight=WLIW+Engineer#post1396059

Are the two met games on Saturday and Sunday going to be in Hi-Def on WPIX-HD? I hope so... i specifically bought a cheap OTA receiver and antenna just to watch these games. Haven't seen one yet. I dont want to hook everything up tomorrow morning if it wont be in Hi-Def.

Also... any word on when WPIX is moving to that combiner package... and when WWOR is going Hi-Def?

They are all moving to the combiner at the same time, hence the name. WWOR will be hi-def once it is on the combiner.

Originally posted by wward
Check this thread out its from 2002 read the second post from the top it lists a phone number for WLIW engineering.

http://archive.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=1396059&highlight=WLIW+Engineer#post1396059

FYI, 516-367-2100 is the general number for WLIW. You can call that number and ask to speak to an engineer. The person will then pick up or it will go into his voice mail. I got lucky last week and an engineer picked up. He sounded as distressed about the situation as I was.

But it's still a good idea to call that number and register your dissatisfaction to anyone you can speak with. I plan to keep calling and writing.

jezebel

Just curious if anyone else noticed that no one hath lit a fire under the gerbil that runs the HD transmitter over at WABC........because "The Mummy Returns" isn't in HD.....although the screen graphic said "Where available".

Go figure.........

yeah, I just switched over to my WTNH-DT feed (Connecticut's ABC), they're showing the MUMMY RETURNS in high definition.

Im getting WNJN-DT good enough here on Staten Island NY....but when they show hd two of their sub ch's go out ...one of them is PBS kids which my son loves to watch at night. Does WNET do the same thing or does pbs kids show all night long? I get WNET at around 20% not enough to pull in a picture. Also, is there anyone that has said anything about the combiner or are we all just wishing here. Is there anyway of getting someone to tell u if it is going good for JUNE?

Originally posted by vinnyv07
Im getting WNJN-DT good enough here on Staten Island NY....but when they show hd two of their sub ch's go out ...one of them is PBS kids which my son loves to watch at night. Does WNET do the same thing or does pbs kids show all night long? I get WNET at around 20% not enough to pull in a picture.

I can't tell you what WNET does (I can't receive any PBS in Manhattan), but it sounds like a rather standard bandwidth issue. Stations are allotted a frequency space large enough for 1080i HD plus a smidgen extra. They have a choice about how they use that space. PBS stations for the most part are dividing it up into three signals. But when they broadcast a 1080i program, they switch to just one channel.

The Mets game on WPIX today was in beautiful 1080i. That one seemed to quietly slip by everyone.

Now if Yes could only get their installation at Yankee Stadium and a road truck done - the Yankees on WCBS paled in comparison.

WNET has 3 subchannels at all times. (All three are carried by Cablevision).

Originally posted by trekkerj
WNET has 3 subchannels at all times. (All three are carried by Cablevision).
Is one of those ch's PBS Kids after 8pm or do they switch to 2 ch's showing nothing that anyone wants to see and an HD ch...or do they keep PBS kids on at night. I have the installation from VOOM and I am using the diplexer that they installed. Im in Staten Island and Im not getting NBC, PIX, or WNET. All are rather low sigs, but Iwould like to get them. Im hoping for the combiner project to finish in June...but Im not holding my breath. The combiner project will make every ch on it as powerful as cbs? Is that correct?

Originally posted by ghostman
The Mets game on WPIX today was in beautiful 1080i. That one seemed to quietly slip by everyone.

The reason it quietly slipped by is because their signal is so weak and VHF so lots of us cannot get WPIX-DT. Where is that combiner when you need it ?

Scott

Speaking of which, how many folks ARE getting of WPIX? I'm in Jersey city, NJ,
and i'm wondering if anyone in this area can get it. Whats the channle #?

thanks,

Winston

I get it near Morristown, but very weakly, with lots of breakups, and that's only because I am using a simple pair of rabbit ear antenna, and I'm at 700ft elevation. Not worth watching a ballgame with these breakups. It's a little better at night, so I use it for Angel on Wednesdays if the conditions are right. The channel is VHF 12.

thanks very much, i'll see if i can pull it in, watching the METS game now.

Win

Originally posted by jaypb
Just curious if anyone else noticed that no one hath lit a fire under the gerbil that runs the HD transmitter over at WABC........because "The Mummy Returns" isn't in HD.....although the screen graphic said "Where available".

Go figure.........

Yep saw the same thing did WPVI-DT have it in hd? On another note looks like Monday is going to be a pretty good tropo night.