I picked it up at Future Shop in Montreal for $13.99. and it's also available here at Costco.Ah. It's a Canadian thing. I remember when Mark Knopfler and a couple of Dire Straits DVDs came out in Canada - available all over the place - like in Wal-Mart and it was next to impossible to get them in the States.

Ed

Edit : Yup - just saw it on DDD.ca

[QUOTE=ekb] I remember when Mark Knopfler and a couple of Dire Straits DVDs came out in Canada - available all over the place - like in Wal-Mart and it was next to impossible to get them in the States.

Ed

Are there any good Knofler/Dire Straits DVD concerts out there? I've always been a big fan.

Are there any good Knofler/Dire Straits DVD concerts out there? I've always been a big fan.
There is a a DVD that has Mark Knopfler do 2 solos and some backup for other performers that is OUTSTANDING. It's "Music for Montserrat". He does "Brothers in Arms" which is as good as it gets (and I'm real picky). He also does "Money for Nothing" which I'm not too krazy about but Sting was at the concert and Sting was also on the original. The rest of the DVD is also very very good - including Clapton, Elton John, McCartney, Phil Collins ... Knopfler plays guitar with Clapton on Layla and it has the Straits kind of sound - again real real nice. You gotta get this DVD if you don't have it.

Other than that - there are 2 Dire Straits DVDs called "Sultans of Swing" and "Dire Straits on the Night". They're so-so. If you're a fan, then they're both worth getting - but the AQ and PQ are not the greatest. One is mostly the music videos - I think it's Sultans. I think the other is an older concert - it's been a while since I watched those two.

Then there is a Mark Knopfler DVD called "A night in London". The AQ and PQ are better than the previous two. He does a few Dire Straits songs - but he does more of his more recent solo stuff. Generally not anywhere as good as Straits. But the disk is relatively cheap and worth getting for the "good" songs. I'm not sure how easy it is to get these here - but they're common in Canada.

Ed

Just picked up the The Long Road Home DVD by Joh Fogerty and I have to say I'm really disappointed with the sound quality.Well I just got a chance to listen to this today from a borrowed copy. I agree - the audio quality is pitiful and therefore will not buy my own copy. Can't see myself listening to this again.

The other thing that struck me, was that there is a ton of songs on the DVD and they're all 3 minutes long. It's like he doesn't get into any of the songs - some of them would be great if he got into a jam. IIRC, wasn't "Run thru the jungle" like a 10 minute song originally? That was long back in the vinyl '70s. Well it ain't the same song here.

Ed

I think you're confusing it with one of their extended tunes, like "Suzie Q", "I Heard it Through the Grapevine", "Keep on Chooglin' ", or something else.

"Run Through the Jungle" is listed at 3:05.

The majority of their most popular hits were under 4, and sometimes even under 3 minutes.

There is a a DVD that has Mark Knopfler do 2 solos and some backup for other performers that is OUTSTANDING. It's "Music for Montserrat". He does "Brothers in Arms" which is as good as it gets (and I'm real picky). He also does "Money for Nothing" which I'm not too krazy about but Sting was at the concert and Sting was also on the original. The rest of the DVD is also very very good - including Clapton, Elton John, McCartney, Phil Collins ... Knopfler plays guitar with Clapton on Layla and it has the Straits kind of sound - again real real nice. You gotta get this DVD if you don't have it.

Other than that - there are 2 Dire Straits DVDs called "Sultans of Swing" and "Dire Straits on the Night". They're so-so. If you're a fan, then they're both worth getting - but the AQ and PQ are not the greatest. One is mostly the music videos - I think it's Sultans. I think the other is an older concert - it's been a while since I watched those two.

Then there is a Mark Knopfler DVD called "A night in London". The AQ and PQ are better than the previous two. He does a few Dire Straits songs - but he does more of his more recent solo stuff. Generally not anywhere as good as Straits. But the disk is relatively cheap and worth getting for the "good" songs. I'm not sure how easy it is to get these here - but they're common in Canada.

Ed

I do have the Music for Montserrat DVD and agree that it's very good.

I'll look for the solo one that you mention above as I like most of his recent solo stuff as well.

Thanks for posting the reviews.

Joel

I think you're confusing it with one of their extended tunes, like "Suzie Q", "I Heard it Through the Grapevine", "Keep on Chooglin' ", or something else.

"Run Through the Jungle" is listed at 3:05.

The majority of their most popular hits were under 4, and sometimes even under 3 minutes.
I think you're right - it's "Grapevine".
Ed

I just saw the song "Home by the Sea" by Genesis on The Tube and was wondering whether that's on some DVD and which one? And I mean the version that is on The Tube. I thought it was a Phil Colins performance since it featured him and seemed quite recent - so I was surprised that the credits showed Genesis. To help identify the version - there was a graphic of a 3D face pushing forward thru a membrane on the screen behind the stage.

Ed

Do you have a link? They did that song on both the MAMA and Invisible Touch tour DVDs for sure, and I think the We Can't Dance tour as well. Come to think of it, if there were screens on stage it has to be We Can't Dance.

Do you have a link? They did that song on both the MAMA and Invisible Touch tour DVDs for sure, and I think the We Can't Dance tour as well. Come to think of it, if there were screens on stage it has to be We Can't Dance.Thanks for the info. - but is there such a DVD? I don't see it on Amazon.

Link to what?

Ed

Link to the YouTube video. Anyway, the DVD is called Genesis: The Way We Walk.

Thanks for the info. - but is there such a DVD? I don't see it on Amazon.

Link to what?

Ed

Live at Wembley

Link to the YouTube video. Anyway, the DVD is called Genesis: The Way We Walk.
I didn't say YouTube. The Tube is an all music TV channel shown across the country. It's like MTV when they first started. And it's pretty good.

Ed

Live at WembleyOh-Oh - now I have a contradiction. But I see this is a much newer DVD (concert) than The Way We Walk - so I'd believe this one sooner. What struck me on The Tube is that it sounded like it might be very good AQ. But I was listening on the TV only. I have high hopes for the DVD - whatever it is.

Ed

Oh-Oh - now I have a contradiction. But I see this is a much newer DVD (concert) than The Way We Walk - so I'd believe this one sooner.

Ed
The DVD is newer but the show is older. Live At Wembley is from the '88 Invisible Touch tour. The Way We Walk is the '92 We Can't Dance tour, the last tour Genesis ever did (with Phil). I don't remember there being any rear-stage projection on the IT show but I may be wrong, it has been a while since I've seen it.

The DVD is newer but the show is older. Live At Wembley is from the '88 Invisible Touch tour. The Way We Walk is the '92 We Can't Dance tour, the last tour Genesis ever did (with Phil). I don't remember there being any rear-stage projection on the IT show but I may be wrong, it has been a while since I've seen it.So if people have these DVDs, I would be greatful if they could check which one has the face pushing thru the membrane (maybe not exactly what it is but the best way that I can describe from my fading memory ;) ) on the song "Home by the Sea".

Thanks,
Ed

When I get home tonight I'll check.

I just saw the song "Home by the Sea" by Genesis on The Tube and was wondering whether that's on some DVD and which one? And I mean the version that is on The Tube. I thought it was a Phil Colins performance since it featured him and seemed quite recent - so I was surprised that the credits showed Genesis. To help identify the version - there was a graphic of a 3D face pushing forward thru a membrane on the screen behind the stage.

EdSaw that one too. I only wished they would've played it into Part II.

It was definitely Genesis, not just Phil. I really cranked it up and it sounded great. I'd sure like to get ahold of that myself if it's available.

I really find myself watching The Tube a lot. It's the best new channel I've seen in years. Lots of great live stuff.

its from a dvd called "the way we walk", it includes second home by the sea, which in my opinion is even better... the big thing on the invisible touch tour was the light show. As in no screens. On the Way we Walk dvd there are 4 different camera selections to choose from. Video quality i would say is ok, sound quality is slightly above average.

its from a dvd called "the way we walk", it includes second home by the sea, which in my opinion is even better... the big thing on the invisible touch tour was the light show. As in no screens. On the Way we Walk dvd there are 4 different camera selections to choose from. Video quality i would say is ok, sound quality is slightly above average.
Sorry, I totally forgot to check that last night, but there you go.

its from a dvd called "the way we walk", it includes second home by the sea, which in my opinion is even better... the big thing on the invisible touch tour was the light show. As in no screens. On the Way we Walk dvd there are 4 different camera selections to choose from. Video quality i would say is ok, sound quality is slightly above average.I also saw on The Tube the other day, "I Can't Dance". It was most likely from the same concert. It was just so-so, and nowhere near as good as "Sea". But then, "Dance" has got to be one of their "barest, stripped-down" songs musically (that's a nice way of saying "simple" - actually, it sounds like a "filler" song that they wrote in 10 minutes), so naturally it wasn't as lush, engulfing and involving as "Sea", and really can't be expected to have the same kind of impact I guess.

oops didnt see this thread :p

I'm sure we all know there are poor recordings and good recordings when it comes to music on dvds. Some are just a crappy port over with nothing done and not even from a clean or good source tape. *cough old santana concert*
And then there are benchmarks like "Eagles - hell freezes over" which is superb and still one of the best to be beat.

Anyway I was at HMV the other day and they had this great music playing in the lower level. I wasn't familiar with the artist at all but it was very catchy and I couldnt help but tap my feet to the nice rythem. I asked a sales clerk what it was, he grabed the dvd and showed me, it was "Donavon Frankenreiter - The Abbey Road Sessions"


It was recorded in 2006, at Abbey Road studios, Im sure you're all familiar with that name. A very large studio with sound treatments and high quality equipment up the wazoo!

Anyway I picked it up and it sounds amazing. Not only is the music fantastic but the quality rivals Eagels - Hotel California. And this dvd is packed with music, 150min, includes a documentary and some studio rehersal sessions, which are also of fantastic quality. There is real nice percussion to the foundation of the music,! wow. great vocals, guitar is awesome. Overally a great showpeice or demo material kind of stuff.

Definately Recomend this one, 2 thumbs way up. The Track "Make You Mine" is superb. and there are many other great ones. check it out =)

http://www.abbeyroadsessions.com/do...nkenreiter.html


- Cheers

Does anyone know of any decent DVD's with Tower of Power? Saw one dvd from a show in Europe and they all looked bored......

Donavon Frankenreiter - The Abbey Road Sessions Review . . .
You convinced me. Sounded good. Bought it at DDD for <$12.

Ed

You convinced me. Sounded good. Bought it at DDD for <$12.

Ed

Convinced me, too!

I checked out a couple of songs online, liked them, ordered the DVD and a CD.

Thanks for the recommendation.

Any information on Michael Buble's new DVD, "caught in the act"?

A while back, John asked about two ska band release's, "English Beat" (aka the Beat) and "Bad Manners" Others comented on the English Beat DVD and I generally concur with the assessment: sadly low key, muffled sound level, and unneccesarily dark lighting. IMHO.

"Bad Manners" "Don't Knock the Bald Guy" DVD is a different story. The pq is so-so, the setting reminds me of a high school auditorium with booze. The DTS soundtrack is superb!!! The vocals are a bit muddied, but I suspect theat they were live, as well. ;)

The DVD starts with Glen Millers "In the Mood" and ends with "The Can-Can". The chant for an encore is the entire crowd screaming "You Fat Bastard" :p :D over and over again till the fat bastard comes back on stage. Gotta love it! :D

IMHO, if you're a fan of the English Beat, get the disc and be prepared to be dissapionted, but this seems to be the only shot at getting a concert of one of my favorite bands: it could have been worse.

If you have never heard (of) "Bad Manners", get the DVD and be prepared to be amused. It could have been better. But it's still pretty good.

Any information on Michael Buble's new DVD, "caught in the act"?

It's very good. One of my favorites. It was taken form the PBS Special and shot on hi-def. The sound is very good and the band is smoking. Higly recomended.

I'm thinking of picking up the Rory Gallagher Live at Montreux DVD.

Does anyone have it and have any thoughts.

Edit to add - I'm reading the Amazon.com reviews and sheesh, I'm not sure I've read anything but 5 star reviews.

I would second that...Buble's "Caught in the Act" has excellent PQ and the DD track has some nice bottom end. My only knock is that Buble tries to get too cute with the audience. It's a great bargain with a CD companion disc as well.

Highly Recommended!

The disc I can't seem to get out of my DVD player these days is: Neil Young "Heart Of Gold". Directed by Jonathan Demme (Talking Heads "Stop Making Since") This concert movie Rocks! Filmed at the Ryman Auditorium with special guest Emmylou Harris and others. The direction is superb...the way they all should be shot and the DTS is flawless. The AQ is in the same company as Eagles, Diana Krall, Allison Kraus...etc.

I can't Recommend this enough!

Also check out...Peter Cincotti "Live In New York" One of a collection of SuperDiscs
produced by MonsterMusic and Noel Lee. They call it High Definition Surround and is loaded with features: Filmed in HD (Outside on the streets of NY)
HD surround 1.54 DTS
96k/24bit Stereo Tracks
HD digital music files downloadable for iPod
Dolby Headphone Surround
THX certified

PQ/AQ excellent!
Sounds like a Master!
Highly Recommended

The disc I can't seem to get out of my DVD player these days is: Neil Young "Heart Of Gold". Directed by Jonathan Demme (Talking Heads "Stop Making Since") This concert movie Rocks! Filmed at the Ryman Auditorium with special guest Emmylou Harris and others. The direction is superb...the way they all should be shot and the DTS is flawless. The AQ is in the same company as Eagles, Diana Krall, Allison Kraus...etc.


Although the AQ on this disk is not bad, in no way is this disk in the same league as the Eagles (neither HFO or FT1). And BTW, Neil's wife was way better than Emmylou Harris - she was absolutely lifeless.

Ed

I Think jpmassey has good taste! :)

I'm thinking of picking up the Rory Gallagher Live at Montreux DVD.

Does anyone have it and have any thoughts.

Edit to add - I'm reading the Amazon.com reviews and sheesh, I'm not sure I've read anything but 5 star reviews.Even if the quality isn't top notch, I can't imagine the performance being anything but.

I say go for it! And give us your review if you do.

"Donavon Frankenreiter - The Abbey Road Sessions"
http://www.abbeyroadsessions.com/do...nkenreiter.html

- Cheers

Funny, I had never heard of Donavon Frankenreiter until a couple of weeks ago, when I downloaded some torrents of some live shows he did with Jack Johnson, G-Love, etc. I really dug his stuff, so I'll likely pick this DVD up at DDD. Thanks for the recommendation.

I picked up the Donavon Frankenreiter DVD based on swerveddy's recommendation. Thank you! I really enjoyed (and continue to enjoy) the DVD.

So many flavors to his music -- Memphis, Detroit, Austin, Hendrix, Gaye, Stevie Ray, Rock, R&B, Soul, Blues...on and on. A real pleasure to watch and listen to.

The audio is bright with great presence and when the band joins in it warms up to a very comfortable atmosphere. Several of the songs have multiple viewing angles and when you change the angle you change the DTS mix to correspond.

Lively edits to the video. I know many don't like quick edits, but it is well (and not overly) done here.

It's so difficult to find something new to listen to these days (at least for me). And this DVD is a great find. Thank you swerveddy.

This link just appeared in another thread on this forum : http://www.austin360.com/music/content/music/stories/xl/2006/09/28cover.html
It's a great article about the major problem we are all having with today's music being too compressed. I needed to post this here because I constantly complain about this problem on concert DVDs. And believe it or not, I often hold back so as not to come across too negative. But it's real nice to have credible independent concurrence.

Reading the article also made me realize why it's done - and I can't believe that I was so naive to have missed that. What a crying shame.

Ed

I knew something was going on here.Thanks for the article EKB.I have a large collection of dvd concerts but the two i keep going back to are based on the way they sound rather than content.i think the best sound i ever heard on a dvd concert is the DTS option on Procol Harum Live at Union chapel.Such beautiful soft and loud dynamics,truely a joy to listen to if you like keyboard based music.I also find James Taylors live at beacon theater in 5.1 to have that same kind of softness and then dynamic loudness when called for.Perhaps this article is the explanation for why some of my music dvds are just a sonic chore to sit through.

Thanks ekb... That was a great article.

A lady friend of mine, who is no audiophile, but has hearing that would rival a bat's, complained to me the other day about how dissapointing the sound was from some CDs she got from BMG. These were CD versions of LPs & Cassettes she had previously owned from the good old days of R & R. I don't think the fact that these came from BMG was the problem, but the lousy CD mastering that was applied to them, which that article explains.

I just discovered Goldfrapp. Their latest album is extremely clever synth-pop, but the sound is soooooooo horrific that I can't bear to listen to it. Upon my initial audition of the Goldfrapp CD I actually thought something had gone wrong with my audio system until I popped in a CD that I knew had good sound. What a pity :(

drive thru records has put out some fun dvd comps. over the last few years with behind the scenes footage, live concert footage & more...i always get a good laugh out of them

Anyone have a trusted vendor for rare dvd concerts? I was specifically looking for the 1991 MTV unplugged Nirvanna. I found it at heavymetalweb . net. Any thoughts?

oh ... Nirvana sounds precious airunz.

Please let us know if you get a copy, and how it looks/sounds.

eBay.

I was buying too many concerts too quickly and not really enjoying them that much. Once I watched Roger Waters "In The Flesh" I was not very interested in watching anything but that over and over again. Then I got into Rod Stewart "Live at the Royal Albert Hall" and really enjoy that.

I just got Neil Young "Heart of Gold" and David Gilmour Live. Just got done watching "Heart of Gold" and thought it was great. Have not yet played David Gilmour, but will either tomorrow or Saturday. If you watch "Heart of Gold" be prepared for an acoustic concert that is very good. I would like to see one with Neil rocking out on the electric guitar like with Crosby, Stills and Nash. Any suggestions?

Get Rust Never Sleeps or his Red Rocks Live dvd.

Get Rust Never Sleeps or his Red Rocks Live dvd.Which has the better AQ and is the AQ any good on either one?

Ed

They're both very good[the Rust Never Sleeps dvd was done in part by AIX btw]imho.....if you like Neil Young rockin out you can't go wrong w/either one.

[QUOTE=JimKW]I was buying too many concerts too quickly and not really enjoying them that much. Once I watched Roger Waters "In The Flesh" I was not very interested in watching anything but that over and over again.

Thinking I hadn't done a drive-buy to excite all you geezer rock fans recently when I received an E-Mail of the Day from this LA Music Pundit named Bob Lefetz.

Thought all you Floyd fans would like some new meat to chew on:

"Dear Bob, I saw your glowing review of Roger Waters at the Tweeter Center, Camden for which I thank you. I do, however, take exception to your myth that Roger Waters is an *******. You have no grounds to say that and it's just plain not true. A retraction at some later date might help redress this misconception. Regards, Mark Fenwick Manager, Roger Waters"

Myth, huh?

OK PW, where can I read the review?

Wow. I just listened to about 12 cds at HMV before deciding on this one.

(sorry its not a DVD, but I cannot hold back from sharing!) :eek:

http://www.amazon.com/Sacre-du-Printemps-Esa-Pekka-Salonen/dp/B000F39M9W


This one classical / orchestral.
some of you may be familiar with TELARC's famous recording of CSO's 1812 Overture by Tchaikovsky. That has been my REFERENCE benchmark for Classical audio reproduction/resolution for a long long time.

Until now.

Words cannot describe how fantastic this performance is, I'm floored. It is thrilling, the future of sonic bliss has arrived.

Not only do I like the 1812 overture a great deal, as being one of my favorite peices of all time, this is an equally incredible peice worthy of such high quality recording.

This is the first live recording from one of the worlds most exciting concert halls; Disney Hall

Esa-Pekka Salonen - Le Sacre du Printemps (rite of spring)
Los Angeles Philiharmonic.

http://img41.imagevenue.com/loc520/th_90487_943023_122_520lo.jpg (http://img41.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=90487_943023_122_520lo.jpg)

If i had to gauge the quality of the telarc 1812, I would give it an 8.5 -9 out of 10, this would be about a 12 out of 10 which doesn't make sense. I simply cannot gauge this performance because no its not perfect, but I need a new scale. The leap in real reproduction of the orchestra is astonishing.


Those who are familiar with Stravinsky's peice will absolutely fall in LOVE with this cd. I have to share it, ive listened to it about 5 times already today.

This recording is so realistic and the presence is so enormous, that I almost shed a tear during one of the big movements. This one is meant to be played loud, at reference levels, every detail is there, things that you probably have not heard in a classical peice before. Just listening to the buildup of Night on Bald Mountain, or the finale in Rite of spring gave me goosebumps like ive never felt before. It is hard not to right a rave review of this masterpeice. If you appreciate classical, i can't imagine not having this one in your collection.

By far the best $26 ive ever spent.

-E

Nine Inch Nails "And All That Could Have Been" is incredible.

I watched the "Police Synchronicity Live" DVD, originally recorded in the early 80s
Its DTS and Dolby, and Full Frame.

I would say its about what I expected... the quality is good for the time period, but suffers compared to today's concert videos. The sound is high fidelity, but a little sub-par at certain middle frequencies. The video upscaled looked fine, about like watching modern SD broadcast TV.

Still, you get to see this excellent band in their prime, playing to adoring fans ...
Sting's voice is strong and he can hit the highs, though he arguably sounded even better at Live Aid. They all look like they are 20, and my daughters' mentioned how good Sting looked.

They put some of the better song performances on a seperate "multi-camera" menu on the DVD, which was a big mistake. So you watch what you think is the whole show, but dont see "Roxanne" or "Invisible Sun". Then you search around the menu's and have to play them seperately.

Anyways, its worth a rental ... it was in my queue at Blockbuster for about 3 months before I got it though ...

I watched the "Police Synchronicity Live" DVD, originally recorded in the early 80s
Its DTS and Dolby, and Full Frame.

I would say its about what I expected... the quality is good for the time period, but suffers compared to today's concert videos. The sound is high fidelity, but a little sub-par at certain middle frequencies. The video upscaled looked fine, about like watching modern SD broadcast TV.

Still, you get to see this excellent band in their prime, playing to adoring fans ...
Sting's voice is strong and he can hit the highs, though he arguably sounded even better at Live Aid. They all look like they are 20, and my daughters' mentioned how good Sting looked.

They put some of the better song performances on a seperate "multi-camera" menu on the DVD, which was a big mistake. So you watch what you think is the whole show, but dont see "Roxanne" or "Invisible Sun". Then you search around the menu's and have to play them seperately.

Anyways, its worth a rental ... it was in my queue at Blockbuster for about 3 months before I got it though ...

I remember seeing this tour in Orlando many years ago. I will have to check this one out. Also, VH-1 is showing some british concert series this week/weekend with the Police and Lynard Skynard plus a few others. It takes place on some college campus with about a couple thousand fans. It's called British Crown Jewels. Pretty sweet!

I saw them on that tour also.

The only problem I had with them was that they ran through all of the songs at about 3x speed.

It was like they couldn't get it over with and get away from each other fast enough (which was probably the truth). It was a big disappointintment for me, considering they were, and still are, one of my favorite bands.

The only good part to that was watching Copeland drumming at that speed. He was the only thing that stood out in their whole performance. Joan Jett and the Blackhearts opened for them, and pretty much stole the show.

Maybe they were just pissed off about that too.

This link just appeared in another thread on this forum : http://www.austin360.com/music/content/music/stories/xl/2006/09/28cover.html
It's a great article about the major problem we are all having with today's music being too compressed. I needed to post this here because I constantly complain about this problem on concert DVDs. And believe it or not, I often hold back so as not to come across too negative. But it's real nice to have credible independent concurrence.

Reading the article also made me realize why it's done - and I can't believe that I was so naive to have missed that. What a crying shame.

Ed

I've been aware of this for a while - especially compression for radio. It's a shame and will ruin the long term viability of popular music of the last decade or so.

Everybody who buys recorded music should be aware of this issue and complain about it whenever they get a chance.

BTW, great thread. I found this today - it took me 3 hours to go through it.

Nine Inch Nails "And All That Could Have Been" is incredible.

I agree completely! I'm not really a fan of NIN, but a friend suggested this and it is very, VERY good. Much better than most of the crap that passes for modern music. :p There's some real brains behind this music & stage show.

2 of my all time best, that I listen to over and over and over again..
The New Eagles Farewell 1 tour
and the Peter Frampton: Live in Detroit just awesome DTS sound from both
both make me feel great.. it's awesome these guys now in their late 50's now
sound better than they ever have.




I agree completely! I'm not really a fan of NIN, but a friend suggested this and it is very, VERY good. Much better than most of the crap that passes for modern music. :p There's some real brains behind this music & stage show.

Everybody who buys recorded music should be aware of this issue and complain about it whenever they get a chance.Actually I find it amazing that people can't hear the problem. Just one example of many many - I've often complained in this thread that The Who - Live at Royal Albert Hall is a prime example of the problem. Yet there are many that disagree with me and think that there is something wrong with my DVD. I think that they get too involved with the music - which is wonderful of course, but they just can't hear the recording.

Ed

OK PW, where can I read the review?


Here you go Maxman:

http://www.lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php?s=Roger+Waters

This guy Lefsetz is said to have the most widely read and influential blog in the music business. Warning: He often comes off like a megalomaniac..but his "heart" does seem to be in the right place...

2 of my all time best, that I listen to over and over and over again...Peter Frampton: Live in Detroit .

Dont you find his music a little too simple to listen over and over again?

Frampton is a good guitarist, but half the songs on that DVD seem to be only one level above teenie-bopper :D

Anyone else here have the new Porcupine Tree's "Ariving Somewhere"? It's about as far away from teenie-bopper as I can imagine. This band can really play, no doubt about it, but they are certainly not for everybody. If you've totally outgrown hard-charging, head-banging music, intermixed with strange, beautiful sounds that you can't predict where they're going next, you should probably pass on this one.

In the audio dept., the bass is as deep and strong as I've ever heard on a rock DVD, and it will test how low your sub will go, just like a submarine movie. Same with the drums - it seems that you just don't see drummers having the impact on his band like this guy does. The guitar playing is first rate too and the overall sound is as tight as you'll find anywhere (must be played loud for best effect).

Audio is DTS but for some reason they decided to totally skip the center channel, and the surrounds are not used much either. I haven't yet tried the stereo PCM mix, but it can't be too much different. Very unlike their last two DVD Audio disks which makes heavy use of all speakers. The video is "creative" in that it sets the mood and "aura" of the band, but again some will not like the fast paced camera work with sporadic and intentional dark and fuzzy black and white camera work interspersed with regular color.

But overall, I like this DVD a lot, and if you appreciate fine muscianship in rock music you will probably like it too.

It's about as far away from teenie-bopper as I can imagine.


I guess you haven't been listening to much John Zorn lately...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5Q8dk_V3Io

:D :D

I guess you haven't been listening to much John Zorn lately...

After checking out your link, I would say that's a good thing! ;)

After checking out your link, I would say that's a good thing! ;)

*lol* He actually makes some relatively normal music at times, but he can get WAY out there!

Anyone else here have the new Porcupine Tree's "Ariving Somewhere"?

I'm waiting for mine to arrive any day now. I could not find it in any of the stores. This band is one of the finest new bands out there any though they have been around for some time. I know this dvd will be top notch. The guy who mixed Steven Wilson's 5.1 surround mixe of In Abstentia did the audio for this dvd. Even if the center insn't used, I know it will sound great. I have seen a few clips, I wish they would have done the lighting more for video than stage, it's always been an thorn in my side, but hey, I really want to see this band in a video format. I think this disc will soon become one of my favorites.
Greg

I'm waiting for mine to arrive any day now. I could not find it in any of the stores. This band is one of the finest new bands out there any though they have been around for some time. I know this dvd will be top notch. The guy who mixed Steven Wilson's 5.1 surround mixe of In Abstentia did the audio for this dvd. Even if the center insn't used, I know it will sound great. I have seen a few clips, I wish they would have done the lighting more for video than stage, it's always been an thorn in my side, but hey, I really want to see this band in a video format. I think this disc will soon become one of my favorites.
Greg

I ordered from Amazon and even with the slow but free super-saver shipping it arrived in about a week, more than two weeks ahead of schedule according to the original estimate. Report back with your opinion after you've played it - I do not think you will be disappointed.

Anyone else here have the new Porcupine Tree's "Ariving Somewhere"? Just saw that Sound & Vision reviewed this disk in the November issue. But you can take those reviews with a grain of salt - the very same review combined it with Pink Floyd's Pulse and the reviewer thought that it sounded "excellent". :rolleyes:

Ed

Audio is DTS but for some reason they decided to totally skip the center channel, and the surrounds are not used much either. I haven't yet tried the stereo PCM mix, but it can't be too much different. Very unlike their last two DVD Audio disks which makes heavy use of all speakers.

Regarding this part of my review above, as it turns out I WAS listening to the stereo mix the first two times I played it (duh!) and the DTS mix DOES make full (and heavy) use of the surrounds. The setup menu is a bit tricky compared to most as I thought I had selected DTS both times. Still no center channel but the sound is excellent either way.

P.S. I can't compare to "Pulse" as I don't own this one!

Same with the drums - it seems that you just don't see drummers having the impact on his band like this guy does.

Gavin is highly respected in drumming circles. He's a regarded teacher as well, with several books and dvd's to his name.

My favorite, Chuck Berry Hail Hail Rock n' Roll is on UHD tommorow morning and a few more times in Nov.

I can finally throw away my old munged VHS tape.:D

Actually I find it amazing that people can't hear the problem. Just one example of many many - I've often complained in this thread that The Who - Live at Royal Albert Hall is a prime example of the problem. Yet there are many that disagree with me and think that there is something wrong with my DVD. I think that they get too involved with the music - which is wonderful of course, but they just can't hear the recording.

Ed

Ed, I agree with you 100%. While I haven't seen/heard the Who/Royal Albert Hall DVD, I do own Rush R30. Haven't heard Rush in Rio so can't comment on that one. But, R30 is really compressed in my book. It's also quite harsh and the low frequencies are sometimes there, sometimes not depending on the complexity of the passages being played. I have been a Rush fan for over 25 years (yeah, I'm an old fart) and was hoping to get a good sounding concert DVD of them. After watching it the first time, I've watched just bits and pieces one other time. The reason? The sound is so darn crappy. It's so disappointing I'm considering selling it. Obviously, I'm in the camp that favors audio over video quality. But that's not to say video quality isn't a good thing too.

On a more positive note, after reading this entire thread, I ordered seven DVD's from DDD and am awaiting their arrival:

Norah Jones: Live in N.O.
The Corrs: Live in London
Bela Fleck and the Flecktones: Live at the Quick
Pink Floyd: Pulse
ELO: Zoom
Doobie Bros: Live at Wolf Trap
Heart: Alive in Seattle

Thanks for everyone's reviews and input.

Bill

My favorite, Chuck Berry Hail Hail Rock n' Roll is on UHD tommorow morning and a few more times in Nov.

I can finally throw away my old munged VHS tape.:D

This was actually released on DVD back in Jun of '06 in a 2-disc (http://www.amazon.com/Chuck-Berry-Rock-Roll-Disc/dp/B000F0UTTM/sr=8-2/qid=1161803417/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/104-3157970-8137501?ie=UTF8&s=dvd) and 4-disc (http://www.amazon.com/Chuck-Berry-Rock-Roll-Disc/dp/B000F0UTTW/sr=8-1/qid=1161803417/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-3157970-8137501?ie=UTF8&s=dvd) version. :D

Chieftains - Old Plank Road.

I've seen a lot of praises of this DVD, and since I am a big Chieftains fan and somewhat a fan of bluegrass I decided to rent it from Netflix.

To be honest I was disappointed, not because of the sound or video which seemed fine, or this individual musicians who were almost all very good, but because of the fact that the Cheiftains style didn't mix that well with many of the performers and the intermix of documentary and music. I could have done without the dancing as well, and maybe the backup band.

I am not a mainstream country music fan at all - and to my tastes there was too much of it on this DVD - and none of it worked well with the Chieftains. Some of the bluegrass + Chieftains was ok, but it had it's drawbacks too.

So be aware if you are Chieftains fan what you are getting is a mish-mash of musical styles that often don't work very well together.

What I would like to see is a DVD produced at this high level of video and audio featuring just the Chieftains with maybe a few Celtic guests.

If anyone knows of such a thing, I'd appreciate a hint.

This was actually released on DVD back in Jun of '06 in a 2-disc (http://www.amazon.com/Chuck-Berry-Rock-Roll-Disc/dp/B000F0UTTM/sr=8-2/qid=1161803417/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/104-3157970-8137501?ie=UTF8&s=dvd) and 4-disc (http://www.amazon.com/Chuck-Berry-Rock-Roll-Disc/dp/B000F0UTTW/sr=8-1/qid=1161803417/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-3157970-8137501?ie=UTF8&s=dvd) version. :DI know, and I'm glad I never got around to buying it. This way I have it in HD on DVHS for the price of a $3.50 SVHS tape.:D

If you've never seen it you're for a treat. It's kind of fun to watch Keith Richards try to get Chuck to practice for the film and see Chuck tell him to essentially "F-Off". They come to blows at one point in making the film/soundtrack (which unfortunately they don't show). If you've ever seen Chuck live this is exactly how he is. He pretty much sucks every time. He never tunes up and expects the back up band (one he's never practiced with) to know all his tunes straight up. You've got to hand it to Keith to making him actually sound good.

I checked it out briefly and from what I can tell it's one of the few movies on UHD that's true 5.1DD.

Chieftans - Hmmm yep i was the original reviewer here. A little country goes a long way with me, so the sampler-pack style fit me :D


I can definitely see how a real Chieftan's fan may get annoyed though :)

Ed, I agree with you 100%. While I haven't seen/heard the Who/Royal Albert Hall DVD, I do own Rush R30. Haven't heard Rush in Rio so can't comment on that one. But, R30 is really compressed in my book. It's also quite harsh and the low frequencies are sometimes there, sometimes not depending on the complexity of the passages being played. I have been a Rush fan for over 25 years (yeah, I'm an old fart) and was hoping to get a good sounding concert DVD of them. After watching it the first time, I've watched just bits and pieces one other time. The reason? The sound is so darn crappy. It's so disappointing I'm considering selling it. Obviously, I'm in the camp that favors audio over video quality. But that's not to say video quality isn't a good thing too.

On a more positive note, after reading this entire thread, I ordered seven DVD's from DDD and am awaiting their arrival:

Norah Jones: Live in N.O.
The Corrs: Live in London
Bela Fleck and the Flecktones: Live at the Quick
Pink Floyd: Pulse
ELO: Zoom
Doobie Bros: Live at Wolf Trap
Heart: Alive in Seattle

Thanks for everyone's reviews and input.

Bill


Then theres performance and material quality, that trumps all :D

The Norah Jones DVD i would have skipped (reasonalby good playing but forgettable material)

ELO: Zoom - People here disagree with me, but I think this is one of the most flacid performances I have ever seen. Lynn hides behind his glasses, emotionless and looks like he would rather be somewhere else.

ELO: Zoom - People here disagree with me, but I think this is one of the most flacid performances I have ever seen. Lynn hides behind his glasses, emotionless and looks like he would rather be somewhere else.

Of all my concert DVD's, this is in my top 3. I absolutely love the performance, the band is spot on, the backup singer is in perfect harmony. Just really good stuff I love it. And I'm only a casual fan of the band's music.
:cool:

Of all my concert DVD's, this is in my top 3. I absolutely love the performance, the band is spot on, the backup singer is in perfect harmony. Just really good stuff I love it. And I'm only a casual fan of the band's music.
:cool:

I like the ZOOM dvd too. I wasn't 100% into it the first time I watched it I only thaught it was ok but it grew on me. I have seen it 3 or 4 times now (and just listened once or twice) and now it's a FAV. I never have been a big fan but I grew up listening to ELO on the radio. I still don't own any albums/CDs by the band.Eric

Then theres performance and material quality, that trumps all :D

The Norah Jones DVD i would have skipped (reasonalby good playing but forgettable material)

ELO: Zoom - People here disagree with me, but I think this is one of the most flacid performances I have ever seen. Lynn hides behind his glasses, emotionless and looks like he would rather be somewhere else.

The only time I have seen Jeff Lynne without his sunglasses and/or heavily tinted glasses is when he was with his first group The Move. Any other time, with ELO, with the Wilburys or even solo, he has those dark glasses on.

The Zoom Tour was short lived due to lack of demand for tickets. I know I ordered a pair and got them in the mail and then a few weeks later got a notice of a refund due to the tour being cancelled. This may have had something to do with his lack of enthusiasm for the TV special that was recorded.

Though I rarely saw him animated in any ELO video recording either.

Could just be his style...

-t

I watched Pink Floyd Pulse in its entirety lastnight/this morning. I'm still in awe of this thing. True, I had never seen any previous recording of this, but holy xyz!!! The sound was great, esp. using the 5.1 640 (a marked improvement on my system). Video quality overall was pretty darn good. But the performance absolutely blew me away. I practically had a couple of flashbacks. This is one concert DVD, along with Stop Making Sense and Cream at Royal Albert Hall, that I will be watching many many times. BTW, I forget what track it was in during DSOTM, but there was a short part with some REALLY low bass. I have a Yello CD that has some known 25hz stuff on it, and the DSOTM part was as low or lower. This DVD more than any other has made me decide to get going into the DIY sonosub world asap.

Bill

I watched Pink Floyd Pulse in its entirety lastnight/this morning. I'm still in awe of this thing. True, I had never seen any previous recording of this, but holy xyz!!! The sound was great, esp. using the 5.1 640 (a marked improvement on my system). Video quality overall was pretty darn good. But the performance absolutely blew me away. I practically had a couple of flashbacks. This is one concert DVD, along with Stop Making Sense and Cream at Royal Albert Hall, that I will be watching many many times. BTW, I forget what track it was in during DSOTM, but there was a short part with some REALLY low bass. I have a Yello CD that has some known 25hz stuff on it, and the DSOTM part was as low or lower. This DVD more than any other has made me decide to get going into the DIY sonosub world asap.

Bill

I think the name of the tune is "Sorrow".
Yes, it does have incredible bass. Makes my SVS sub shine!
Glad I purchased it! Both the sub and the DVD.
-t

Robert Plant DVD 16x9, 5.1 & LPCM. From PBS Soundstage originally broadcast in HD. Great picture and audio. The ZEP songs, like Unledded have been reworked. Pretty good disc. Link below.

http://www.robertplant.com/index.php?l1=2&l2=0&l3=0&articleID=68&rt=NE&PHPSESSID=de9428100759379177c25a4f810813d1

A little off topic here since this is a Concert DVD thread, but all the talk about sound quality just makes me ask this question. Are any of you into SACD and DVD-A? I like the concerts quite a bit, but the sound quality does not even compare to the SACD and DVD-A sound. I watch the concerts just for the visual pleasure of watching the band and the sound is fine, but when I'm really into listening, it's one of the other formats. Elton John "Honky Chateau" is my favorite. I know there is a whole other forum for this topic with some excellent suggestions.

Concert DVDs can compete with studio formats by being more musically interesting and spontaneous. The players and backup singers can grab the audio focus from the lead singer ....

They can change the sound of a song, that was getting a bit boring after hearing the studio version 100 times ...

And audio imagery is arguably better when your watching the drumskin get pounded....

I find these 3 titles are about the highest quality recordings on Concert DVD:

Boz Scaggs in Concert (pukey performance though)
Eagles Live At Melbourne
David Gilmour in Concert

And an honorable mention goes to Bruce Springsteen live in NYC, for capturing the essense of a stadium show.

I'd recommend the Kissology Volume 1 dvd[even after only watching half of it so far].

A little off topic here since this is a Concert DVD thread, but all the talk about sound quality just makes me ask this question. Are any of you into SACD and DVD-A?IMO the overall sound quality is only as good as the weakest link - and almost always it's the quality of the recording/production that is the limiting factor. So yes, DD or DTS has lossy compresion and it's digital, but an excellent recording on DD surpasses a poor recording on your favourite/best medium. Personally I've not been wow'd by SACD (which has technical problems) or DVD-A. The ultimate is still vinyl for me.

Ed

Jimi Hendrix - Band of Gypsys - not great quality wise but does have footage of the best rock concert/album ever.

Steely Dan - Two Against Nature (It has some other name as well) - not widescreen but great quality recordings.

Diana Krall - Live in Paris - not great video wise but great audio quality and concert

The ultimate is still vinyl for me.

Ed

I would never argue with anybody saying that. I still have my old Thorens TD 160C with the Stanton cartridge down in the basement. And I never got rid of my albumns even though the wife tried to. Might just hook up the old system with the Rectilinear III High Boys and see how things sound.

I'd recommend the Kissology Volume 1 dvd[even after only watching half of it so far]. How is the sound quality of the concert footage?

The ultimate is still vinyl for me.

Ed
Hey, why stop there? Why not just listen to music on Edison's original wax cylinders?? Heck, if you want to be an analog dinosaur purist at least have the decency to say the ultimate is still open reel analog tape at 30ips using Dolby C and leave the surface noise and tracking error out of it. :D :D

Hey, why stop there? Why not just listen to music on Edison's original wax cylinders?? Heck, if you want to be an analog dinosaur purist at least have the decency to say the ultimate is still open reel analog tape at 30ips using Dolby C and leave the surface noise and tracking error out of it. :D :D


RIGHT ON FRED!!! :D

*Surface / tape noise was such a tremendous degradation that it always amazes me whenever someone proclaims the superiority of the old analog formats.

(* not to mention all the other analog issues that pollute, color & distort the signal. Especially with the vinyl format.) :eek: :p

The sq of the Kissology dvd's pretty good imho.

RIGHT ON FRED!!! :D

*Surface / tape noise was such a tremendous degradation that it always amazes me whenever someone proclaims the superiority of the old analog formats.

(* not to mention all the other analog issues that pollute, color & distort the signal. Especially with the vinyl format.) :eek: :p

My vinyl version of Who's Next sounds 20 times better than the origional release of the CD (not the remastered version). With that said most remastered CDs sound better than their album version.

ekb said he has never been wow'd by SACD or DVD-Audio which is too bad for him because I have been several times. Shoot I have been floored by DTS Cd's even!

*Surface / tape noise was such a tremendous degradation that it always amazes me whenever someone proclaims the superiority of the old analog formats. There's nothing amazing here. Nobody is saying that tape/records have less noise than digital formats. But that's only one metric - one that I find less important. Since record noise is largely uncorrelated from the music, it's easy to ignore it. Digital distortions tend to correlate with the audio and so that's hard to ignore. I'm just saying that FOR ME the best overall quality is still with vinyl.

Ed

Since record noise is largely uncorrelated from the music, it's easy to ignore it.

Ed

LP noise may be easy for you to ignore, and if you can, that's really quite an amazing feat.

I grew up with vinyl & every snap, crackle, swoosh & pop was totally distracting... for me. Hell, many times even a brand new LP had totally unacceptable levels of surface noise. Apparently the noise levels bothered a lot of other people too as noise reduction schemes like DBX started to be applied to vinyl. Thankfully, around this same time, CD made it's appearance which made the LP and its noise reduction schemes obsolete. If you’ve ever heard a great sounding CD, then you know the format is capable of sounding great. When it doesn’t sound great, it’s the recording that’s at fault, not the format. I’ve never heard a noise free LP.

Of course I'm only addressing vinyl's grossest flaw & wont even go into tracking error, cartridge frequency response deviation, acoustic feedback, etc.

I actually bought a turntable again about 2 years ago just to see what the vinyl lovers were clinging to. I was completely unimpressed with vinyl play-back and sold the table on eBay.

IMO, the (vinyl) emperor has no clothes... But, to each his own.

There's nothing amazing here. Nobody is saying that tape/records have less noise than digital formats. But that's only one metric - one that I find less important. Since record noise is largely uncorrelated from the music, it's easy to ignore it. Digital distortions tend to correlate with the audio and so that's hard to ignore. I'm just saying that FOR ME the best overall quality is still with vinyl.

Ed

Well, in all seriousness I really think that -and I'm not saying YOU- but a lot of people that prefer vinyl and have high end systems like the medium because vinyl actually hides a multitude of tracking, mixing and mastering sins that can easily become apparent in the digital medium. Early cds got a bad rap because they were using vinyl album masters with no dynamic range and that were generally heavily filtered to keep styluses from jumping grooves and sibilance out of vocal tracks. When cds started being properly mixed and mastered for the dynamic range and frequency response available there was really no reason to cling to vinyl any more- cd and especially hi-res digital simply have the potential to deliver far more than albums ever could. But, potential is often not realised. Digital still gets a bad rap because if you a lousy engineer it's gonna SHOW on a cd. If the cd sounds harsh it isn't digital's fault- it's the mix. Heck, the way modern rock is mixed and squashed these days it hardly matters if you listen to it on a telephone :D :D

Actually, I still like albums even though I don't miss vinyl for a second- I miss taking them out, cleaning them and putting them on.

Right again Fred... I also think nostalgia plays a large role in the affection for vinyl. Of course I too am nostalgic for the LP cover art. This is one area where vinyl reigns supreme over the other formats.

In a feeble attempt to get back on topic.... Overtime, by Lee Ritenour (previously mentioned in this thread) is a superior concert DVD that is a great example of how good digital can be. I would be stunned if anyone would fault its audio quality.

but a lot of people that prefer vinyl and have high end systems like the medium because vinyl actually hides a multitude of tracking, mixing and mastering sins that can easily become apparent in the digital medium.I'm not sure I buy this, but I will admit that one reason I like my record setup is because I can tailor the high frequencies (which can make or break a setup) to my liking by loading the MC section of the preamp with different resistors. Early cds got a bad rap because they were using vinyl album masters with no dynamic range and that were generally heavily filtered to keep styluses from jumping grooves and sibilance out of vocal tracks. When cds started being properly mixed and mastered for the dynamic range and frequency response available there was really no reason to cling to vinyl any more- cd and especially hi-res digital simply have the potential to deliver far more than albums ever could. But, potential is often not realised.I'm surprised that you made the 1st part of your statement because as you say in the last sentence, the potential for high dynamic range is usually not realised. I recently posted the link to the problem with "loudness" (ie high RMS levels with low dynamics) in recordings now-a-days. I think that many records of yester-year had higher dynamics than today's recordings - quite ironic since CD and DVD do have the higher potential.

Ed

I think that many records of yester-year had higher dynamics than today's recordings - quite ironic since CD and DVD do have the higher potential.

Ed

They did. They just didn't have the dynamic range that cds are capable of delivering. The fact that 3/4 of the music industry has gone even further backwards into the realm of low-fi awful sound isn't an argument to support vinyl though. I will concede that it's usually better to have an old album than a horribly "remastered" newer cd of it, but that's not the medium's fault, again.

You do have a point then- with vinyl you know what you're going to get. There were standards and they were adhered to. With cds it's a crapshoot for re-releases of classic material- might sound gorgeous, might sound absolutely awful (*cough cough Rush cough*). But in general the hi-res digital audio I've heard mostly tends to have been done lovingly and with care and sounds wonderful. I guess I just have a knee-jerk reaction from types that swear it's the medium of vinyl itself that is objectively superior to digital systems and not just the quality of the sources used to make the records.

Some very good points here, but we are seriously off topic.

Yeah, it is... we'll stop :D

A little off topic here since this is a Concert DVD thread, but all the talk about sound quality just makes me ask this question. Are any of you into SACD and DVD-A? I like the concerts quite a bit, but the sound quality does not even compare to the SACD and DVD-A sound. I watch the concerts just for the visual pleasure of watching the band and the sound is fine, but when I'm really into listening, it's one of the other formats. Elton John "Honky Chateau" is my favorite. I know there is a whole other forum for this topic with some excellent suggestions.


It's funny that the post that started the off topic discussion about vinyl wasn't even talking about a "Live" album!

dudes you guys are killin me.
Vinyl is fine, it has qualities digital doesnt have. Who wants accurate when your listening to an overdriven Marshall amp? Its a viciously analog device often best reproduced with analog.

That said, my albums sit in my closet, and have been pruned down to 500 cherished records.

Has anyone heard of the british bands called:
1. Trapeze
2. Man
3. Night


?

Ok, back on topic. I recently picked up Roger Hodgson's "Take the Long Way Home" and was pleasantly surprised.

I wasnt expecting much from an "unplugged" solo performer but it I found myself enjoying and singing along to all the ol' songs that were part of my teenage years.

I found his voice seemed to waiver off a bit in the beginning (so it seemed to me) but as the performance continued, the improvement in vocals seemed to get better and better.
"Sister Moonshine","School" and "Hide In Your Shell" were my faves.

PQ and AQ were very good, no disappointments there. DD 5.1 and filmed in HD.

Any Supertramp fans out there should pick this one up, not because there's really nothing else out there but because its a very good performance by a very talented musician.

Ok, ok, let me just add that I have 1 (read: ONE) vinyl record leftover from my youth and that is Meatloaf's Bat out of Hell picture album.....evident on the wall of my HT.

The matching picture CD is beside it.

dudes you guys are killin me.
Vinyl is fine, it has qualities digital doesnt have. Who wants accurate when your listening to an overdriven Marshall amp? Its a viciously analog device often best reproduced with analog.

Not going there, done... :D

Has anyone heard of the british bands called:
1. Trapeze
2. Man
3. Night


1) Of course
2) Yes
3) Hmmm, no... must Google!

Besides my parents classical collection of albums many of which would be hard if not impossible to get on CD I have one vinyl album that I actually bought within the last 5 years: The soundtrack to Peter Jackson's Meet The Feebles, on picture disk no less! (It's Heidi the Hippo going postal with a machine gun) Bought sealed, played once- to make a digital recording, naturally *lol* (Hey, it's not a concert but at least it's a soundtrack!!)

I watched 2 concert flicks in the last couple nights this week that you all might enjoy. They were on one of the HD channels (HD-Net or INHD) so I can't comment on the DVD. First was Collective Soul-Home. I'm not a fan of the band but it was on late so I gave it a shot and I enjoyed all of it. It sounded very good and it was filmed nicely. Full orchestra added to the performance. I only recognized 2 tunes but never got bored. Doubt I will buy the DVD but if it comes on again I could listen a second time. A bit sappy when he dedicates a song to his dad but other than that no too bad...

The other one was Crash Test Dummies (don't recall the name). I liked this one better. Once again I am not a fan, only knew 2 of the tunes but this performance was just short of mesmerizing. Maybe the location had something to do with it. Was recorded in a beautiful church in Duluth. The audience was subdued never standing till the end but they seemed to enjoy it. The songs were all short but concise. Of course the first thing you will notice is how the lead singers voice is well strange in a good way. Very distinctive one of a kind vocal tone. I liked how he set up most of the songs with a little background info. The other thing that struck me was the lack of a drummer. I didn't notice till after a few songs. Again strange in a good way. Give this one a listen. I plan to again.Eric

Could someone report on the new Van Morrison montreaux double dvd release.

I watched 2 concert flicks in the last couple nights this week that you all might enjoy. They were on one of the HD channels (HD-Net or INHD) so I can't comment on the DVD. First was Collective Soul-Home. I'm not a fan of the band but it was on late so I gave it a shot and I enjoyed all of it. It sounded very good and it was filmed nicely. Full orchestra added to the performance. I only recognized 2 tunes but never got bored. Doubt I will buy the DVD but if it comes on again I could listen a second time. A bit sappy when he dedicates a song to his dad but other than that no too bad...

The other one was Crash Test Dummies (don't recall the name). I liked this one better. Once again I am not a fan, only knew 2 of the tunes but this performance was just short of mesmerizing. Maybe the location had something to do with it. Was recorded in a beautiful church in Duluth. The audience was subdued never standing till the end but they seemed to enjoy it. The songs were all short but concise. Of course the first thing you will notice is how the lead singers voice is well strange in a good way. Very distinctive one of a kind vocal tone. I liked how he set up most of the songs with a little background info. The other thing that struck me was the lack of a drummer. I didn't notice till after a few songs. Again strange in a good way. Give this one a listen. I plan to again.Eric

I have been recording HDNet and InHD concerts to D-VHS and have a pretty good selection already. I will look for these two to add although I am not a big fan of either group. The one D-VHS recorded performance I have played more than once is the final performance of "Smokey Joe's Cafe" from HDNet.

Chris

Chris

In a feeble attempt to get back on topic.... Overtime, by Lee Ritenour (previously mentioned in this thread) is a superior concert DVD that is a great example of how good digital can be. I would be stunned if anyone would fault its audio quality.
I agree that this is a very good one. "Papa was a rolling stone" is my favourite and sounds awsome when cranked up loud.

Ed

Ok, ok, let me just add that I have 1 (read: ONE) vinyl record leftover from my youth and that is Meatloaf's Bat out of Hell picture album.....evident on the wall of my HT.

The matching picture CD is beside it.Ouch, my ears!! ;) :)

Hope this is not too far offtrack. I love to watch concerts on DVD. I have enjoyed reading your suggestions.

But has anyone listened to an opera on their home system???

I received "Carmen" and watched in the other day. Video was shot at the MET, I believe. Video was poor. Audio, more importantly to me, was also mediocre.

Does anyone have any opera suggestion that I could buy that would blow the socks off listeners at my place, while having acceptable to good quality video?

I already have the movie - Phantom of the Opera. But I was thinking more of live opera, not movie.

Thanks!

Hope this is not too far offtrack. I love to watch concerts on DVD. I have enjoyed reading your suggestions.

But has anyone listened to an opera on their home system???

I received "Carmen" and watched in the other day. Video was shot at the MET, I believe. Video was poor. Audio, more importantly to me, was also mediocre.

Does anyone have any opera suggestion that I could buy that would blow the socks off listeners at my place, while having acceptable to good quality video?

I already have the movie - Phantom of the Opera. But I was thinking more of live opera, not movie.

Thanks!

Not offtrack at all but to get recommendations for Opera DVD-V, I recommend you start a new thread. Opear fans probably aren't going to be reading this thread that started out with recommendations for Kiss and Jimi Hendrix concerts. I know there are some good ones and hopefully someone can help out. If you have SACD and DVD-A capability, you might find the audio from an opera to knock the socks off listeners in one of those formats.

Chris

I wouldnt mind hearing some opera banter on the thread ..

I think having opera and general classical discussion would be fine in this thread, although you would probably get more attention starting a new thread as noted above. I think there used to be a classical concert DVD thread but it hasn't been active in a long time. Depending on whether you're out for sound quality or performance, one opera disk you can't go wrong with is Bergman's 1975 version of Mozart's Magic Flute (sung in Swedish of all things). PQ and SQ is not the best but the performance is very nice, and as an artistic interpretation it's top notch. It starts out as a filmed live performance and sort of morphs into an abstract film as it goes.

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Thanks FredProgGH. I will look into the Magic Flute. My preference is audio quality. I do have opera SACDs that rock, but I was looking for a performance to show off on my projector.

As a audio/videophile newbie, I couldn't help but feel that the Carmen soundtrack was not up to par, nor the video (which I expected, considering the original performance was probably 20 yrs ago).

Anyway, I will try a new post dedicated to the topic. And continue to read the interesting comments here on more mainstream music concerts.

Some of the oddities of opera on DVD are that operas are stage shows, but the roles are cast by who is the best singer or biggest name. This isn't so bad live when a little makeup can go a long way toward making an older diva be able to play a young ingenue. This doesn't work as well in the up close world of film and video. Also, the large, 'playing and singing to the back of the theater', style of acting is also a detriment to making a show work for DVD. These are the same issues that make musical theater less successful, unless there is an adaption for the screen. Perhaps what you would want is something that was specifically made for the screen, as opposed to a concert.

Speaking of classical music on the Criterion label there's also The Archer's film of Tales Of Hoffman. Tragically, even as a huge Powell and Pressburger fan I actually don't own this so I can't give firsthand info but I understand it's really great. Of course, the sound will again be underwhelming though because it was made in the 50's.

Just watched Porcupine Tree's "Arriving Somewhere" concert dvd. I must say this is one of the best sounding concert dvd's I own (and I own alot of them) There is alot of use of the surrounds and the bass is big. Gavin Harrison's drums are the best mixed drums I have ever heard. Gavin's playing alone will amaze you. The rest of the band are virtuoso's of their instruments. I wasn't crazy about the lighting. I hate concert lighting for a video performance but I can tolerate it on this disc only because the performance is amazing. The editing is good, lots of shots of fingers doing their thing. The shots do go from some black and white to color. It's looks like they used a variety of different camera's. Some of the shots look grainy (I think for effect more than anything else) and some camera's look as if they were hi-def. Steven Wilson and his group is a must listen. Their music is prog rock of the new century. Part Pink Floyd, part Dream Theater, part Yes. I urge anyone to go ahead and buy this dvd. The sound and performance is worth the price alone. You will be amazed at how good this band is!!

Greg

Just watched Porcupine Tree's "Arriving Somewhere" concert dvd. I must say this is one of the best sounding concert dvd's I own (and I own alot of them) There is alot of use of the surrounds and the bass is big. Gavin Harrison's drums are the best mixed drums I have ever heard. Gavin's playing alone will amaze you. The rest of the band are virtuoso's of their instruments. I wasn't crazy about the lighting. I hate concert lighting for a video performance but I can tolerate it on this disc only because the performance is amazing. The editing is good, lots of shots of fingers doing their thing. The shots do go from some black and white to color. It's looks like they used a variety of different camera's. Some of the shots look grainy (I think for effect more than anything else) and some camera's look as if they were hi-def. Steven Wilson and his group is a must listen. Their music is prog rock of the new century. Part Pink Floyd, part Dream Theater, part Yes. I urge anyone to go ahead and buy this dvd. The sound and performance is worth the price alone. You will be amazed at how good this band is!!

Greg
I wholeheartedly agree with everything you've said. It's my new favorite.

I wholeheartedly agree with everything you've said. It's my new favorite.


Yep.....Mine too!

Just got Neil Young with Crazy Horse "Rust Never Sleeps". Could not watch the whole thing and may never play it again. The sound qauality was terrrible and the video was OK at best. Neil's performance was great, but rear speakers just sounded like static was coming through them. Actually bothered my ears. Think I'll go listen to "Heart of Gold" again, because that one sound great.

Just got Neil Young with Crazy Horse "Rust Never Sleeps". Could not watch the whole thing and may never play it again. The sound qauality was terrrible and the video was OK at best. Neil's performance was great, but rear speakers just sounded like static was coming through them. Actually bothered my ears. Think I'll go listen to "Heart of Gold" again, because that one sound great.

I don't remember this dvd sounding THAT bad but I do remember the PQ sux!

I have to agree with JimKW - the Neil Young "Heat of Gold" is great. It has been a while since I watched "Rust Never Sleeps" - if I remember right it was OK but to me the Heart of Gold is on the next level. The audio & video is right on.

I plan to buy The Band - "The Last Waltz" - I only have it on an old VHS.

Bjork: Anything by her, she's got the funky vocals happening for sure. Some of Tom Wait's stuff is pretty freaky, but sounds great.

Just saw an two year old Jools Holland show on cable and he had on a band that were amazing and i never heard of them called Granddaddy.Anyone know about them or if they have a concert dvd out? Thanks

Haven't made it all the way through the thread, but havent seen this one mentioned yet.

PQ was pretty nice on my ED plasma but not so much on my HD LCD. Sound quality (DD5.1) is quite good with nice surrounds especially during the audience sing-alongs on Maggie May. I'm not exactly a huge Rod Stewart fan, but I can appreciate his stature as a musician, and his charisma comes through well in this performance, which ranges from early rock & roll tunes (Stay with Me, Hot Legs), signature tunes (Maggie May), to his current "American Songbook" renditions (What a Wonderful World, As Time Goes By (a great duet with Chrissy Hynde)). A very enjoyable performance overall with an intimate feel and some terrific supporting musicians - in particular a female violinist who comes out and plays a mean electric mandolin all while decked out in a black evening dress.

I was a big Rod Stewart fan when he was still with Faces and always thought "Every Picture Tells a Story" was one of the best albums of all time. But lost all interest in Stewart as he became so commercial. Somebody told me that the "Live at Royal Albert Hall" concert was worth buying. I have watched it several times and I also really enjoy it. That duet he does with the skinny chick with the big smile is real good too. And the blond with the bag pipes, Holly Crap!!

Yea the duet with the skinny girl was oddly touching to me because of the back story he gave to her introduction. Stewart points out how he himself was discovered as a street performer and that he just plucked the girl (I think her name was Amy Bell) out from the subway station where he caught her performing. When she came onstage, the story certainly rang true because she looked absolutely terrified and overwhelmed but came through when it was her turn on the mic. Really touching to me to see the sheer nervousness in her eyes while she was waiting for her parts in the duet. Huge contrast to Stewart who was as at ease onstage as she was nervous.

Can anybody comment on the quality of the following:

Carlos Santana Presents: Blues at Montreux 2004

It was only released a month Oct 06 ago but I gotta ask

I bought Toronto Rocks and it has been a favorite...Great mix of music and performances by:
The Guess Who: American Woman and No Time
The Isley Brothers: Who's that Lady
AC/DC
The Stones
and..a great rendition of Time Won't Let Me by Dan Akroyd & Jim Belushi

on Rod Stewart - one night only


A very enjoyable performance overall with an intimate feel and some terrific supporting musicians - in particular a female violinist who comes out and plays a mean electric mandolin all while decked out in a black evening dress.

the vionlist is J'Anna Jacoby

info on her can be found in the net:

"Currently the fiddler and mandolin player for Rod Stewart, J'Anna Jacoby is a musician of mind-boggling versatility, virtuosity and creativity. She is equally comfortable in the studio, playing in an orchestra or on the Grand Ole Opry stage. J’Anna was the first female to win the Grand Masters Fiddling Championship and the second youngest national winner by just months.

A graduate of Interlochen Arts Academy, J'Anna also studied at the Vienna Conservatory of Music where she became fluent in German. She made the first of her many records and CDs when she was 11.

Widely sought because of her talent, flexibility and impeccable sight-reading, J'Anna has played in orchestras, recorded and toured with many artists including Michael Crawford, John Tesh, Tony Bennett, Glen Campbell, Shirley Bassie, Pam Tillis, Englebert Humperdink, Natalie Cole, George Benson, and Sir Bob Geldof. She plays with the Inland Empire, Riverside, Redlands and Crystal Cathedral Symphony Orchestras in Southern California.

When she is not touring with Rod Stewart, she works as a freelance musician in Southern California performing and recording a wide variety of styles that include classical, pop, rock, Celtic, country, jazz, Flamenco and TV and film soundtrac"


also the leggy blonde with the scottish pipe is now Rod Stewart's wife. Penny Lancaster. They have been together for 6 years and finally Rod proposed the marriage at Pairs' Eiffel Tower.

I think having opera and general classical discussion would be fine in this thread, although you would probably get more attention starting a new thread as noted above. I think there used to be a classical concert DVD thread but it hasn't been active in a long time. Depending on whether you're out for sound quality or performance, one opera disk you can't go wrong with is Bergman's 1975 version of Mozart's Magic Flute (sung in Swedish of all things). PQ and SQ is not the best but the performance is very nice, and as an artistic interpretation it's top notch. It starts out as a filmed live performance and sort of morphs into an abstract film as it goes.

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Also check out Die Zauberflote
http://www.amazon.com/Mozart-Zauberfl%C3%B6te-Keenlyside-Roschmann-Hartmann/dp/B0000C5RQF/sr=1-2/qid=1163996078/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/002-9648655-4357662?ie=UTF8&s=dvd

I just caught Styx with a youth symphony orchestra on HDNet.....looks and sounds very good.
The DVD is supposed to be released sometime this month.

I just caught Styx with a youth symphony orchestra on HDNet.....looks and sounds very good.
The DVD is supposed to be released sometime this month.

I just watched this tonight and throughly enjoyed this performance. I didn't think there was a lull in the entire show! I have always liked Styx and own many of their CDs. The Y.S.O. added to the performance but was not center of attention musically. They basically filled in for what would have been keyboard effects mostly.
Unlike the Metallica DVD the songs didn't change drastically if that makes sense.
I would buy this on HDDVD/BRD in a heartbeat. The surround mix was great.
When I saw this advertised I wasn't too enthused because the lack of DeYoung and the orchestra gimmick, but this was produced top notch to say the least! Highly recommended to anyone who likes rock music with melody!Eric

I hope its better than Styx's "Return To Forever" DVD. I love Styx and saw them twice in the 70s, but have always had trouble getting through their albums: too many formula songs at once!

"Return To Forever" was a notable show in that they managed to NOT rock out any of their songs,. :( In fact they seemed to cut back the instrumentals here and there. Us progressive listeners used to support their musical arses, despite their formula sound.

So you have a band with 2 notable guitarists ( Shaw and that the original Styx writer/guitarist), and a 3rd studio guitarist, and then Dennis DYoung, whose written some nice keyboard riffs in his life .. and

I was so disappointed.

The guitarists' sang and threw in the minimal necessary playing, and turned the vocals up to drown out half their playing. How can they play "Miss America", with its aggressive guitar dominating the studio version of the same song, and not rock? Such potential, all wasted :D

And they had way too many players on the stage, when Dennis is doing that memorable keyboard piece in "Grand Illusion", it ain't memorable when everyone else in the band is pretending like they are playing as fast as they can.

God give me a Styx tribute band anyday :)

Ok sorry for my rant, hopefully they've come to their senses on this new HD show :)

I hope its better than Styx's "Return To Forever" DVD. I love Styx and saw them twice in the 70s, but have always had trouble getting through their albums: too many formula songs at once!

"Return To Forever" was a notable show in that they managed to NOT rock out any of their songs,. :( In fact they seemed to cut back the instrumentals here and there. Us progressive listeners used to support their musical arses, despite their formula sound.

So you have a band with 2 notable guitarists ( Shaw and that the original Styx writer/guitarist), and a 3rd studio guitarist, and then Dennis DYoung, whose written some nice keyboard riffs in his life .. and

I was so disappointed.

The guitarists' sang and threw in the minimal necessary playing, and turned the vocals up to drown out half their playing. How can they play "Miss America", with its aggressive guitar dominating the studio version of the same song, and not rock? Such potential, all wasted :D

And they had way too many players on the stage, when Dennis is doing that memorable keyboard piece in "Grand Illusion", it ain't memorable when everyone else in the band is pretending like they are playing as fast as they can.

God give me a Styx tribute band anyday :)

Ok sorry for my rant, hopefully they've come to their senses on this new HD show :)

I can't comment on "Return To Forever" because I didn't see it but to answer some of your other points, first off there was nothing minimal about this performance. No "unplugged" songs at all. As a matter of fact I think they were trying to "show off" to the younger backing symphony orchestra. These were basically kids with amazing talent and they were not going to look "old" in their company IMO. As far as too many musicians on stage if you don't count the orchestra they had the minimal. 1 drummer, 1 bass player (until the encore), 1 keyboard player (not D DeYoung) and Tommy Shaw singin lead and doing some lead guitar. They did do a lot of their "formula" songs I have to say. But they stayed very true to the original recordings and sometimes surpassing them with the help of the orchestra and the Surround recording. But like I said in my last post they never went overboard by adding unnecessary strings and the sort like the Metallica DVD. Miss America was one of the highlights IMO! Shaw set it up by saying something like this is a song about a contest winner...and they completely rocked out from there. Again I think very true to the original release. Nothing wasted. I think you will like the keyboard player. He along with the band never speeded up any song. I was even thinking on one song near the end how slow he was playing because he was doing it behind his back yet the band was playing along perfectly. I wasn't expecting much from this show without Dennis but it surpassed my expectations 10 times over (old bands playing old songs usually suck!). This performance was fresh and very energetic thanks to the young people involved. Also there was 1 cover song (I don't want to give it away because it was so unexpected) and 2 new songs which were both good (one was a bit political). Check this one out you wont be disappointed!Eric

In reading my post over there was actually 2 cover songs both outstanding and unexpected! I won't give either away...

Wait, so this is basically Styx with Dennis DeYoung and James Young GONE!! That's my dream band!! :D :D I may get this.
So, since both Pannozzo (sp?) bros are gone and Tommy Shaw wasn't an original member that means there are no original members of the band left. Weird...

Wait, Wiki says JY is still in the band. Oh well :p

Wait, so this is basically Styx with Dennis DeYoung and James Young GONE!! That's my dream band!! :D :D I may get this.
So, since both Pannozzo (sp?) bros are gone and Tommy Shaw wasn't an original member that means there are no original members of the band left. Weird...

Wait, Wiki says JY is still in the band. Oh well :p

One of the original brothers (bass player) comes out for the encores. JY is still in the band.

great forum!!! I'm new here, but here are some of my favourites

Queen & Paul Rodgers - REturn of The Champions. STUNNING production on this one, a superb concert to

John Fogerty - the long road home - again, superb picture & sound

Queen - live at wembley; filmed in 86 but surpsingly good picture and sound for a 20 year old recording

Queen - again, - we will rock you. from montral in 81, the picture is stunning. the sound is good to, except that they have mixed the sound from both nights (the played to nights) but only used footage from one of them, which leads to some moments where picture and sound is out of synch (not many though)

Gary Moore & Friends - a tribute to phil lynott

The Who - Albert Hall 2000

Deep Purple - Pherihelion 2001 (shot somewehere in the US)

KISS - rock the nation

Roger Waters - in the flesh

from the top of my head

Btw the Deep Purple Perihelion dvd was filmed in Sunrise Florida.

I hope its better than Styx's "Return To Forever" DVD.

Yes, that one sits in my rack unplayed but once.....not very inspiring to say the least.
But this new one I'm pretty sure will be taken out of its case a few times.

The whole performance was top notch, I was in awe of their drummer, Todd Sucherman, who showed no mercy for the skins.

When I first noticed the keyboard player, I thought, "thats not Dennis". But his voice sounded very familiar. After a couple of songs and the clincher "Criminal Mind", I was kind of surprised that is was Canadian singer/songwriter, Gowan.
But it all makes sense, he blends in really well.

No worries John, I think we can finally agree on this one when it hits the stores.

No way, us agreeing?! Happy Turkey day.
Man the second dinner tonite was Sri Lanken, SPICY roast turkey and Jalopeno corn bread.

One of the original brothers (bass player) comes out for the encores. JY is still in the band.It could only have been the bass player (John Panozzo), and not the long, since deceased drummer (Chuck).

I'd like to know who that "3rd" guitarist is, though. If they were smart, they would've brought back the original 2nd guitarist, John Curelewski. I lost interest in the band to some extent after he departed and was replaced with Shaw (excepting the harder, J.Y. tunes), but really signed off as DeYoung's stuff got increasingly sappier.

It would be GREAT to see John Curelewski back in the band dueling with JY!!! :) :D

word from p-nut is look for the 311 Day 06 DVD to release soon. Chad is doing lots of the audio mixing while HDNET was doing the video editing. should be good, hopefully anamorphic this time.

It would be GREAT to see John Curelewski back in the band dueling with JY!!! :) :DYeah - they we're definitely more of a Rock 'n' Roll band back then :) . They did lose that dual guitar sound that they originally excelled in when he left. Actually, their vocal harmonizing just wasn't the same either. His voice fit in better with J.Y. & J.D.'s. They all sounded so similar.

Even though I do like some of their stuff after him (I can pretty much listen to anything but that "Babe"-type stuff - ack!), I'm perfectly content with just listening to their first 4 albums on Wooden Nickel, before they went more "corporate". Heck, even DeYoung rocked pretty good back then - his songs had much more of an "edge". They pretty much relegated J.Y. to the background after "Miss America", his last great rocker (at least that I'm aware of - I admit I've never heard a whole album of theirs since "Equinox" or "Grand Illusion").

If you like JY's rockers you should listen to "Half Penny, Two Penny" from Paradise Theater. It's a very close cousin to Miss America, and the hardest rocker on that album.

This past weekend I saw two music dvd's that I just loved. The first one wasn't live concerts but it was an entire compilation of Smashing Pumpkins videos. I didn't realize how creepy some of their video's were and then after that I watch live concert footage of Faith No More. I hadn't thought about them in so long. It was crazy, well Mike Patton was crazy.

This past weekend I saw two music dvd's that I just loved. The first one wasn't live concerts but it was an entire compilation of Smashing Pumpkins videos. I didn't realize how creepy some of their video's were and then after that I watch live concert footage of Faith No More. I hadn't thought about them in so long. It was crazy, well Mike Patton was crazy.


What was the name of the Faith No More dvd? Live at Brixton Academy You Fat B**tards?

It could only have been the bass player (John Panozzo), and not the long, since deceased drummer (Chuck)..

Actually, on the new DVD (and an HDNET show this last weekend) the concert "One With Everything - STYX & The Contemporary Youth Orchestra" has Chuck Panozzo on Bass Guitar for the final few songs of the set.

John was the Drummer, no longer with us.


If you like STYX, you'll love this show with the Contemporay Youth Orchestra backing up the classics, and a new Medley.

Oasis Live on INHD

its airing now and it was AWESOME on my HT.

Actually, on the new DVD (and an HDNET show this last weekend) the concert "One With Everything - STYX & The Contemporary Youth Orchestra" has Chuck Panozzo on Bass Guitar for the final few songs of the set.

John was the Drummer, no longer with us.


If you like STYX, you'll love this show with the Contemporay Youth Orchestra backing up the classics, and a new Medley.You're right , of course. I stand corrected. I wasn't really thinking while I was typing.

Here's what I've got & I love them all. Ranking them is difficult but here goes:

1. Pink Floyd Pulse (oh my!!!!!!!)
2. U2 @ Slane Castle (another oh my!!!)
3. Neil Young & Crazy Horse Rust Never Sleeps (classic Neil)
4. Red Hot Chili Peppers @ Slane (great concert all the way around)
5. James Taylor Pull Over (what an engaging performer)
6. U2 Rattle & Hum (ok, maybe not truly a concert DVD...)
7. Fleetwood Mac The Dance (a bit 'staged' but Buckingham is incredible)
8. Crosby Stills & Nash The Acoustic Concert (they still had it at that point)
9. Simon & Garfunkel @ Central Park (timeless stuff)
10. John Denver The Wildlife Concert (okay, I'm a bit of a homer here but I love Colorado)
11. Foo Fighters Everywhere But Home (a bit too much screaming over singing)
12. Barbra Streisand @ MGM (not really my taste, but can she ever sing!)

Every time I put in "Crosby Still Nash- The Acoustic Concert", i get disappointed with the audio.

Songs like "Wooden Ships" deserve a top quality production, not this sub-par recording :(

Every time I put in "Crosby Still Nash- The Acoustic Concert", i get disappointed with the audio.

Songs like "Wooden Ships" deserve a top quality production, not this sub-par recording :(

Have you listened to Crosby - Nash : Another Stony Evening on DVD-Audio. The sound quality is very good for the age and for being live. The banter between them between songs are funny as heck. They talk about Crosby being "sick" and the crowd looking like frogs. Great audio disc!Eric

3. Neil Young & Crazy Horse Rust Never Sleeps (classic Neil)

Bought this recently and never even listened to it all the way through. IMO audio was too bad to get all the way through it. Sounded like static coming from my rear speakers. The performance by Neil was good, but that's about it. If you like Neil Young, you have to get Heart of Gold.

3. Neil Young & Crazy Horse Rust Never Sleeps (classic Neil)

Bought this recently and never even listened to it all the way through. IMO audio was too bad to get all the way through it. Sounded like static coming from my rear speakers. The performance by Neil was good, but that's about it. If you like Neil Young, you have to get Heart of Gold.

Or Silver and Gold!

It is just him no band but it still rocks...

Ugh, another Neil Young Concert where you watch him try to play 2 instruments and sing simultaneously? For 2 hours straight?

I had enough of that action with "Rust Never Sleeps". Hire a band Neil!

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The only thing thats arguably worse, is when the band leader actually HAS a band, and still has to carry the whole show himself. Like watching Gilmour in "Pulse" where he has to sing both his parts and Roger Water's parts, and play that soaring guitar, and lead the band ... all work and no play for Gilmour!

Ugh, another Neil Young Concert where you watch him try to play 2 instruments and sing simultaneously? For 2 hours straight?

Don't like it? Then don't watch it!

Don't like it? Then don't watch it!

Hey, now there's a concept! :rolleyes:

Andrew Lloyd Webber Masterpiece, Live from Bejing is pretty good. I am playing it now and my only complaint is the singers are mostly unknown to me and although good, could be better. The production is first class. Here is a link to the IMDb description:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0321224/

I picked up the DVD/CD set sometime ago and hadn't watched it completely before.

Chris

Don't like it? Then don't watch it!
Fat chance with me :)

Fat chance with me :)


Love that response!!!!! I know exactly what you mean.

I'm a huge Neil fan, so I disagree with him "getting a band". It's all part of taking him as he is.

As with almost any concert DVD, if you like the band, you are probably going to like the DVD. It takes a pretty amazing performance to make me want to watch a concert more than once for a performer who's music I don't really care for.

Ugh, another Neil Young Concert where you watch him try to play 2 instruments and sing simultaneously? For 2 hours straight?

I had enough of that action with "Rust Never Sleeps". Hire a band Neil!

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The only thing thats arguably worse, is when the band leader actually HAS a band, and still has to carry the whole show himself. Like watching Gilmour in "Pulse" where he has to sing both his parts and Roger Water's parts, and play that soaring guitar, and lead the band ... all work and no play for Gilmour!

I'm with ya on the Pulse DVD (though I did enjoy that tour live) but I stand by my recommendation of the Silver and Gold DVD. Not many can pull off what Neil Young does and all the songs are new and fresh. None of his "classic rock" hits on this one.Eric

ps. So I take it you didn't like the "One Stony Evening" DVD-Audio because they didn't have a full band?

Not to take much from the rest of Floyd, because I hear that progressive music is very difficult to play. but sequencers and drums aint exactly front/center with this music.

I remember hearing some members of Jethro Tull say that playing on tour was about the most difficult thing they could imagine....

But look at Gilmour, where he has to get every bent guitar note more or less perfect ...or everyone will notice.

I would highly recommend " The Who 2006 Tour" DVDs just got mine the other day. The picture quality and sound is excellent and it from the show that I went to which makes it even more special. You can get it from any city on there tour wich is great and kill bootleggers. Bought a bootleg of Axl's Guns and Roses at the JLC and it sucked. Maybe the bigger bands should do this to kill bootleggers I know Metallica did this for mp3's on there last tour and I was happy with this also. For people who saw The Who's last tour,are Who fans or just want to a good concert DVD I would recommend this.

Fat chance with me :)
The thread is titled "What are your personal favorite 2 concert DVD'S", not "JohnR_in_la please critique everyone else's musical tastes and slam their favorite artists just so we all know what you don't like". :mad:

Your constant sniping at other peoples favorites gets old quick. And, quite frankly you've recommended crap that I wouldn't use to line the bottom of a bird cage. But that's cool. Everyone has different tastes. To each his own that is the path most here like to follow but you seem to like to get your little digs in just for good measure I guess. :confused:

Wrong thread Charlie ...

... but that aside, are you telling me, when you are considering a product, you dont search out criticisms? Do you only read the good reviews?

Because I've noticed that, when i look for the 1 naysayer, i discover as much about a product, as I do reading 5 positive reviews.

Yup.

Nothing wrong with criticism in this case - personally, I appreciate the diverse opinions (and that's all they are - opinions). But I do get tired of hearing every other band constantly getting compared to Pink Floyd here by the Congregation of The Church of Pink Floyd - Pastor: Roger Waters.

I think they were a great band too, but I actually WORSHIP none. They're just friggin' human beings.

I believe one's religion should be kept to oneself in a thread such as this ;) :) .

(And if it ain't them, it's U2 :rolleyes: .)

This thread is supposed to be about good concert DVD's anyway, not which bands anyone idolizes. Save that stuff for the dedicated threads on the particular bands where it really belongs.

Nothing wrong with criticism in this case - personally, I appreciate the diverse opinions (and that's all they are - opinions). But I do get tired of hearing every other band constantly getting compared to Pink Floyd here by the Congregation of The Church of Pink Floyd - Pastor: Roger Waters.

I think they were a great band too, but I actually WORSHIP none. They're just friggin' human beings.

I believe one's religion should be kept to oneself in a thread such as this ;) :) .

Can someone give me an "AMEN"?

Can I hear another "AMEN"?

I say "AMEN BROTHERS"

I am a huge PF fan too, but there is a lot of other great stuff out there too, much with much better PQ and AQ.

Speaking of religion, for the 'old timers' in the thread, I picked up Blind Faith, London Hyde Park 1969 last week and can't turn it off. Of course I always liked their stuff and to this day still play the first album on a regular basis.

This concert is marginal video quality (1.3:1) as you would expect for the time. They have done some serious rework on the audio to make it sound decent, although there are still a couple of spots where the tape must have been damaged and unworkable. This show is worth it just to see Winwood try to hit those high notes. That day was not his best effort, but it is fun to see the attempt. Clapton is buried in the back on stage and the camera could hardly find him most of the time. Some of the video of his guitar work doesn't match the audio, but who cares. Ginger Baker does a drum solo that helps you appreciate why he is regarded as one of the all time greats. Rick Grech does a terrific job on bass but since he was in the front by himself gets a lot more video time than he deserves compared to his companions. Still, from a historical standpoint this is a great show from 'back in the day'. It will never win any awards for PQ or AQ, but it could easily win one for historical content and great music.

Thanks to everyone in this thread, I emptied all of my funny money (paypal) on ebay.
The first to arive was ( with my apologies to the poster above me!) was Lord Waters, and that DVD is awesome!
Have about 10 more on the way!

Clapton......Some of the video of his guitar work doesn't match the audio, but who cares. Kind of reminds me of Page in T.S.R.T.S. :D .

LOL the Church is perhaps a bit too vocal on this forum. I have more faults than 2 though, so I guess i should count my blessings :)

This show is worth it just to see Winwood try to hit those high notes. That day was not his best effort, but it is fun to see the attempt.

When Winwood went solo he still had immense promise with that first album, haven't kept up with his works in recent years, but how is he doin' these days, anyone know?

I think he may have a new album out, but I haven't heard any of it. Thought I saw it in an ad somewhere, though.

The last one was excellent. It was more of a return to the Traffic style (somewhat), and getting away from his more recent "pop" vein.

The Soundstage show he did a couple of years back was one of the best shows in the series' history. The band he has in it is great - super professional. They do all old Traffic (and one B.F.) songs, and a couple of newer ones, which are also excellent. If you haven't seen it, try to get ahold of it - I promise you won't be disappointed.

Van Morrison live at Montreaux-Two concerts for price of one filmed at Montreaux jazz festival,one in 1974 and one in 1980.The pq is fair but watchable but the dts sound is amazing.Cant figure out how material so old has been given a sound like this.The 1974 concert is a small four piece band and is very blues oriented with morrison playing sax,The 1980 show is more jazz oriented with a full band and two of the best horn players Ive ever heard.highly recommended

Funny how much people laugh about the church or PF or U2, especially since I "worship" both... OK, too strong of words, but they're still my favorite two bands & thus, my favorite two concert DVDs. Count me as part of the faithful, I suppose. As long as they're not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays.

Hi, great thread. I got the U2 Dvd because of the posts here and it was great. Loved it. I have The Last Waltz on order with the Eagles Hell Freezes Over Dvd. Should be here tomorrow.

Now my question is which Pink Floyd dvd to order for the best PQ and SQ?

I got the concert Dvd fever bad now. lol

Thanks

Funny how much people laugh about the church or PF or U2, especially since I "worship" both... OK, too strong of words, but they're still my favorite two bands & thus, my favorite two concert DVDs. Count me as part of the faithful, I suppose. As long as they're not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays.Yeah, but it sounds like you were never taught how not to play the game ;) .

I've been really enjoying 'Skin And Bones' by The Foo Fighters. I think I've watched it four times this week.....great concert DVD!

Yeah, but it sounds like you were never taught how not to play the game ;) .

No..."you had the whole damn thing all wrong "

-t

Well, I don't think you should care if they groomed you for success.

So I bought Porcupine Tree : Arriving Somewhere... since it got rave reviews (AQ in particular) here from several different people. But I have to say that I'm really disappointed. The AQ is just down right bad. The problem is that its very very compressed and therefore sounds real 2D and unexciting.

I tried to figure why people thought that it sounds good. First, the DVD has mid-bass (deep bass is almost non-existent on concert DVDs) - many concert DVDs have almost no bass - this is good - but the level of that bass is way too high. I love bass and I'm probably even considered a bass freak, but it's just wrong on this DVD. Second, the 5.1 mix actually uses the surround channels for music rather than just audience applause. So that's good too IMO - although I guess a lot of people think that's just wrong. Third, you can hear the drums mic'd quite well - I find that most recordings burry the drums - but the quality of that drum recording/mix is poor since it doesn't sound close to real drums.

Anyway, I'm interested to hear which cuts are considered to be good on the DVD or which are the bands best, so that I can pay special attention to them. Because of the poor AQ, I find it too hard to sit and listen through the whole DVD.

Ed

I've been really enjoying 'Skin And Bones' by The Foo Fighters. I think I've watched it four times this week.....great concert DVD!

I'll have to check that out, David Grohl knows how to run a good band!
Do they do anything from the Nirvana era? Probably not, they are more likely to cover some 70s band, than play some of David's own Nirvana material...

They have another Concert DVD, which is a few years old, recorded in Toronto I believe, also pretty good (but older material). I loaned it out, and havent seen it since :D

I'll have to check that out, David Grohl knows how to run a good band!
Do they do anything from the Nirvana era? Probably not, they are more likely to cover some 70s band, than play some of David's own Nirvana material...

They have another Concert DVD, which is a few years old, recorded in Toronto I believe, also pretty good (but older material). I loaned it out, and havent seen it since :D

Yeah, there is some stuff from 15 or 16 years back that Dave wrote while in Nirvana. 'Marigold' is the seventh track and one of the best tracks, in my opinion. Before the encore, Dave goes into a 5 minute speech about how he ended up in Nirvana and some of the history behind the songs (i.e. 'Marigold' and 'Friend of a Friend' , trk. #19). There is a lot from 'In Your Honor' as well as a good mix of older Foo tracks including, 'Everlong', 'My Hero', and 'Big Me' to name a few.

Pat Smear plays with the band as well as Petra Haden, Drew Hester and Rami Jaffee. I didn't think I'd like an all acoustic Foo show, but this one is very well done. The 5.1 mix is outstanding!

'Everywhere But Home' is a good Foo DVD as well. I have the jewel case version in my collection.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l290/sdmf2004/HPIM0169.jpg?t=1166421591

Now my question is which Pink Floyd dvd to order for the best PQ and SQ.


I don't have any actual Pink Floyd concert DVD's, but my favorite concert of the ones I have (maybe 15 total) is Roger Waters "In The Flesh". They do quite a bit from "Dark Side of the Moon", "Wish You Were Here" and "The Wall". My wife plays it all the time too. She doesn't even turn the TV on, just listens to it. The sound is that good. I have a David Gilmore live DVD that is not half as good IMO.

I have a David Gilmore live DVD that is not half as good IMO.
I would argue that the Gilmour In Concert disc is every bit as good from a PQ/SQ perspective, but couldn't be more different in content which is a good thing. As a whole it's probably not quite as entertaining as In The Flesh but, that said, it has some amazing moments that a true Floyd fan will die for. I defy you to not get goose bumps when he switches from acoustic to electric in the solos on Comfortably Numb!

I could not stand more then a few seconds of the David Gilmore In Concert DVD, what a waste of money. This guy is terrible, can not sing at all... "In The Flesh" is a million times better then what I saw of what David had to offer. Maybe at some point David stopped singing and it got better, but I played as much of it as I could stand.

Deron.

I could not stand more then a few seconds of the David Gilmore In Concert DVD, what a waste of money. This guy is terrible, can not sing at all... "In The Flesh" is a million times better then what I saw of what David had to offer. Maybe at some point David stopped singing and it got better, but I played as much of it as I could stand.

Deron.

Are you a Pink Floyd fan or does David Gilmour's singing in the majority of songs turn you off?

Why do you ask if I'm a fan?

I popped the DVD in expecting it to be pretty good, going off the reviews I had read before buying it. The very first song I just sat there thinking who is this bum they dragged in off the street, the guy is unshaven, wearing something I would wear if I was going out to work on the car. Then he tried to sing, all I could think of is all the rejects that had been booted off American Idol because they were soooooo bad, he must of been one of them. So I skipped to the next song thinking that there must be other performers that could save this DVD, nope just more terrible singing, so I skipped to the next song, that was it, that was all I could stand.

I have run into this problem before, reviews not adding up. I now throw out any review by a fan of the performer, for the most part I find they can find little or no fault in the performance. The problem is the fans usually provide most of the feedback. I have yet to find a really good site for DVD concert reviews. Anyone know of one?

Deron.

David Gilmour is one of the best voices in rock. If you don't like him that's fine- Aaron Neville is one of the best voices in music as well and I can't stand the guy- but don't try to say he can't sing like it's some kind of objective assessment.

Has anyone seen any of the Later With Jools Holland DVD compilations? He has a late night show in Europe that many popular British and European acts perform on.

There are quite a few listed on Amazon.com, looking for some feedback before I buy:

Later Best of 2000-2006
Later w/ Jools Holland 10 Years
Later, Louder
Later, Even Louder

I don't have any actual Pink Floyd concert DVD's, but my favorite concert of the ones I have (maybe 15 total) is Roger Waters "In The Flesh". They do quite a bit from "Dark Side of the Moon", "Wish You Were Here" and "The Wall". My wife plays it all the time too. She doesn't even turn the TV on, just listens to it. The sound is that good. I have a David Gilmore live DVD that is not half as good IMO.

Second that. In the Flesh is awesome. I saw that tour 3 times and the DVD really captures the live element.

Can't imagine what he thinks of Dylan!

Mahler Symphony #2
Lucerne Festival Orchestra conducted by Claudio Abbado, 2003

Can't imagine what he thinks of Dylan!
:D

Just watched The Eagles- Hell Freezes Over. Wow, that dvd rocks. I want to watch it again. The first DTS concert I have listened to, I had to turn the sub way down as it was just way to much bass for it. I think my neighbor was banging on the wall. I told him to "get over it."

I went with the Pink Floyd Pulse dvd and think I will order the In the Flesh one as well.

Want to find a concert with a big stage show like maybe KISS or AC/DC Black Sabbath . Al the lights and flames and stuff. I have 2 little kids 5 and 4 that I want to make rockers out of. lol

. Then he tried to sing, all I could think of is all the rejects that had been booted off American Idol because they were soooooo bad, he must of been one of them. So I skipped to the next song thinking that there must be other performers that could save this DVD, nope just more terrible singing, so I skipped to the next song, that was it, that was all I could stand.

I have run into this problem before, reviews not adding up. I now throw out any review by a fan of the performer, for the most part I find they can find little or no fault in the performance.
Deron.

Denon try listening to it again, here is why. Gilmour is about the only Male vocalist who can sing high octaves, without sounding effeminate; furthermore his voice is silky smooth and compliments his guitarwork nicely.

But Denron, you gotta give it a chance... this is one outstanding disk. Listen to how Gilmour replaces the bass guitar with 2 classical instruments, it really freshens up some of that old Floyd.

If you really want to give his voice a chance, listen to that French song he sings in the first set, its one of my favorite vocal pieces ...

And also, watch that man play that guitar, this is one stellar recording...

Hehe, I'll say one thing- while I don't agree with Deron's assessment of Gilmour's talents at all it still does my heart good to see such a vocal heretic against the Church Of Floyd- shine on, you crazy diamond! :D :D

Has anyone seen any of the Later With Jools Holland DVD compilations? He has a late night show in Europe that many popular British and European acts perform on.

There are quite a few listed on Amazon.com, looking for some feedback before I buy:

Later Best of 2000-2006
Later w/ Jools Holland 10 Years
Later, Louder
Later, Even LouderWho cares?

If it ain't in any way related to Pink Floyd, then I'm not interested :rolleyes: ;) .

I care and older Jools Holland shows have been on Comcast on demand for months and they are great.Lots of diverse acts in one huge studio and lots of interviews and everyone plays live.Each month a new selection of shows appears.Not sure what his show looks like now as is represented on the dvd but anyone with enough class to put the late Arthur Lee and Love on needs to be seen.

OK

I put the David Gilmore DVD back in to give it another try. I could not help it but I started laughing as he tried to sing "shine... then I just went on coughing and laughing, sorry just getting over a cold.

Reminded me though of why I was so let down, his guitar playing without the singing was awesome, why did he have to open his mouth and ruin it all. I guess he could have left the singing to someone with a killer voice, but that probably would have pissed off the die hard PF fans, but then again is he trying to sell DVD's to just die hard fans or to a wider audiance?

So John I will have to still say that this guys singing sucks big time.

Deron.

I will just politely disagree and say I think that concert has David Gilmour's voice at its absolute best. Did you listen to the French language song?

OK... So the PF Disciples are going to be disappointed, but the U-2 junkies might have their Bono passion satiated to some extent.

Here's the URL with the concerts coming up on HDNet:

http://www.hd.net/op_concertseries.html

Happy Holidays!

Oh yeah, IMHO the FF's Sticks and Bones IS primo!

The last waltz.

Is my dvd bad or it the encoding not right with it. I got singing coming out of the rear channels when it should be the front and center. The eagles work great as do all other dvds. I could only listen to like 3 songs, great songs but the mix turned me off.

Are all the The last waltz Dvds like this? Singing out the rear when it plain to see it should be the front or center channel.

Thanks

The last waltz.

Is my dvd bad or it the encoding not right with it. I got singing coming out of the rear channels when it should be the front and center. The eagles work great as do all other dvds. I could only listen to like 3 songs, great songs but the mix turned me off.

Are all the The last waltz Dvds like this? Singing out the rear when it plain to see it should be the front or center channel.

Thanks

Very odd. My copy of "The Last Waltz" works correctly and beautifully.

Mine is fine also.

Hi, thanks I will take this one back "The Last Waltz" and get it replaced.

Thank you!

Edit: Turns out it is a bootleg dvd I got on Ebay. I got a full refund.

Some of my favorite Concert DVD's are:
Earthe Wind and Fire- the one that aired on PBS call in show a few years ago. Nice picture and incredilbe sound.
Eagles Hell Freezes over
Steeley Dan- awesome sound and a bass drum sound to really test your sub's punch. PQ is a little dark but still good
Eric Clapton Crossroads Concert
Journey live in Las Vegas

I have been looking for a great sounding hard rock DVD. Other than the sound a picture from Metallics Cunning Stunts I can't find a thing. All the AC/DC, Aerosmith and so on is horrible sounding.

I just got the new 3 Door Down live DVD from Monster Cable and the sound is OK but they forgot to mix in the bass player! Seriously there is no bass player to hardly be heard! WTF? The bass drum sounds good but the drummer toms are very dull sounding and mixed really low. there is a lot of picture and sound sync problems too.

If you like guitar, try G3 Live in Denver. Satriani, Vai & Malmsteen. Awesome!

Picked this up yesterday and what a great surprise. Performs all the old Supertramp hits from a concert in MOntreal in June of this year. Just him and a guy on sax. Recorded in HD with great 5.1 sound. You could see he was having a ball performing all the old songs again and for just two guys using only keyboards, sax and 12-string guitar it was a fantastic show. I'd highlyrecommend it. THere is also 90 minutes of extras (interviews, back stage pass etc) which I haven't gotten to yet !
I just got this. Overall it's pretty good and worth getting. I like that Hodgson was faithful to the original sound. His keyboards and guitar sound just like the original recordings. But it's not great because I really miss the sound of the whole band - the complete lack of drums is sorely missing. Its AQ is OK when cranked up - but a little too compressed when listening at moderate levels.

Ed

This is right up my alley. I too have more music related DVD's than movies. Many great discs have been talked about. I can confirm that the Roger Waters - In The Flesh DVD is awesome. The new Judas Priest DVD from Budokan is great too. The Who at Royal Albert Hall and The Isle of Wight. Gov't Mule - The Deepest end CD/DVD set and Rising Low. Metallica - Cunning Stunts. The Zep DVD is the best. Joe Bonnamassa at Rockpalast. Rory Gallagher at Rockpalast and Montreux Jazz Festival. I could go on and on and on....

I really wish there was a good The Doors concert DVD. I have not seen or heard of any DVD material for The Doors. Does anything exist that I am not aware of?

I really wish there was a good The Doors concert DVD. I have not seen or heard of any DVD material for The Doors. Does anything exist that I am not aware of?

Live at the Hollywood Bowl. I own the Laser Disc but not the DVD. I remember it sounding very good on LD.

I really wish there was a good The Doors concert DVD. I have not seen or heard of any DVD material for The Doors. Does anything exist that I am not aware of?

There is a DVD of the Europe Tour in 1968 called, "The Doors live in Europe 1968" oddly enough !! Came out in 2004.
It's about an hour long and has Grace Slick and Paul Kantner reminiscing inbetween songs about Morrison and the Doors. Jeffereson Airplane was touring with the Doors. It's part documentary part concert but does have a few performances and Jim swings from being totally drugged-out of control to pure joy to watch. Some of the tunes..Light my fire -- Love me two times -- Back door man -- Spanish caravan -- Hello I love you -- When the music's over -- Unknown soldier -- Light my fire (II) -- Five to one -- Alabama song.

There is also "The Doors collection" which has some outtakes and performances and newer material by the surviving members. Never seen it.

-t

Live at the Hollywood Bowl. I own the Laser Disc but not the DVD. I remember it sounding very good on LD.Did they perform without a bass player? ;) :)

Did they perform without a bass player? ;) :)
If it's the show I'm thinking of, absolutely. I don't recall ever seeing them with an actual bass guitar player live except possibly doing Touch Me on some tv show (Ed Sullivan????) and I think they were miming.

The song "Touch Me" was performed live on the Smothers Brothers TV Show with the orchestra. It is indeed live. The Doors only performance on the Ed Sullivan show came in 1967 when they performed 'Light My Fire " and "People Are Strange" live-no lip sync. The 'Light My Fire" performance is available on the Sullivan DVD boxset but not "People Are Strange". They did rerun many Sullivan performances on the Disney TV channel a few years back and the clip of "People Are Strange" was shown. Also a recommendation the new cd/dvd boxset of all the Doors studio albums that was released a couple of months ago--"Perception"--has a few nice Doors videos--a rare studio rehearsal of "Crawling King Snake" from LA in 1970 among them. Also a nice video version of The End and Unknown Soldier unavailable anywhere else. Recommended.

Cool- thanks for the clarification. But there was a bass player in the Touch Me clip, right???

I should probably know this - but I don't. The Doors didn't have a bass player? What was used for bass?

Ed

They used the foot pedals from the keyboards to produce the bass.

Just in case readers here don't look at the audio theory forum - there is another mention of the "loudness" problem. Here's (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=778779) the link. I mention it in this thread because this is the reason why most of our concert DVDs SOUND SO BAD. The first post has a link to the poster's article and that article has some good links in it. I especially liked the "You Tube" link that demonstrates the problem.

Ed

Its true that many bands and and their managers ( most radio bands) have built their sound around this, but the choice will always be there, and not all bands choose it, and nor for every recording. Because the choice is there, we dont need to jump off a birdge just yet :)

Also, amplified shows have always had this "problem", and a harried soundman in the middle of a major live performance will often be delighted when he can get all the sources even; is it a problem that everyone in the audience can hear all the parts? Who knows...

I'm generally delighted with many of the recordings; no they aren't studio, but live electric shows never have been for the most part. Acoustic is a different story, that has always been the land of great recordings. Hmmm ... acoustic tends to sound pretty good on concert DVD too .... <ponders>

I have an idea. The radio and TV stations should do ALL the compressing to boost airplay, leaving the original recording uncompressed :)

They used the foot pedals from the keyboards to produce the bass.

Actually, if we're going to get real technical (and I'm the keyboard geek to do it!!), Ray Manzarek used a really rare little keyboard called the Fender Rhodes Piano Bass and played it with his left hand. it was a sawed off fender Rhodes electric piano with only the low notes.

http://www.timeelect.com/basprkl-15.jpg

You can see it on his left on top of the Farfisa organ in this pic (it has the identical silver sparkle top to the one above):
http://www.raymanzarek.us/images/aquarius69_7_sm.gif

You can definitely hear it on the first album. I'm not enough of a fan to know when but at some point they started using session bass players on the albums but I think live they pretty much stuck with the keyboard bass, apart from special things like the Smothers' show.

The Cat Empire DVD

Forgive me if this has already been discussed, but how is the AQ/PQ on the new Robin Trower concert DVD? Any comments John, Ed, et al?

"Live Roadrunning" by Mark Knopfler and Emmylou Harris - 2006.

Unbelievably good.

"Live Roadrunning" by Mark Knopfler and Emmylou Harris - 2006.

Unbelievably good.Yes - I picked this up last week. I can't say I've listed or watched "critically" yet to mentioned audio/video quality. But I really like the songs (which for me accounts for 90% of my enjoyment).

I'm not a country music person, not by a long shot. But somehow Knopfler makes it okay that I like this ;)

"Live Roadrunning" by Mark Knopfler and Emmylou Harris - 2006.

Unbelievably good.Is the whole DVD the both of them? Is it all country(ish)?

Knopfler is one of my favorites and Harris is one of my least favorites!

Ed

Is the whole DVD the both of them? Is it all country(ish)?

Knopfler is one of my favorites and Harris is one of my least favorites!

EdI would say maybe 1/2 is country(ish) :D. But like I said, I don't like country and really like this recording. There is some fiddle and some of it rocks. I'm sure you can listen to snippets at Amazon or other places to get a better feel.

Oh, and most of the songs have them trading vocals. A couple feature vocals of one or the other.

BLACK CROWES Freak'n'roll... Into The Fog DVD AND (Blu-ray Disc) great picture mix and sounds.

U2 VERTIGO TOUR

MADONNA ALL

Is the whole DVD the both of them? Is it all country(ish)?

Knopfler is one of my favorites and Harris is one of my least favorites!

Ed

It's worth it just for Knopfler.

Some of the most understated, minimalistic vocals on Sonny Liston and Romeo and Juliet you'll hear from him.

Just great.

But there is a good slug of country on this DVD.

It's worth it just for Knopfler.Maybe yes. He's just so good. But I did hear a song with Harris on the radio and it was pretty hard to take.
. . . and Romeo and Juliet you'll hear from him.So he does this Dire Straits song? Amazon doesn't even list songs for DVDs. It also does not have samples for DVDs.
Just great.

But there is a good slug of country on this DVD.You've got to wonder how the lead from Dire Straits can have such a strong country flavour now. Anyway, lots of "great DVD" comments - but nobody explicitly commented on the audio. Is it first class? Does it suffer from loudness?

Ed

Does it suffer from loudness?

Huh? 'Splain yourself!

Huh? 'Splain yourself!
I used the term "loudness" because I've seen it so many times now that I know that it's legit and not too obscure. But it really boils down to a LOT of COMPRESSION (ie audio dynamics vs digital bit space). With lots of compression, you can have the average audio at a high digital level since you don't need headroom. It happens for the dumbest reasons and the end result is that the audio is absolutely horrible. MOST OF OUR CONCERT DVDS SUFFER FROM THIS. Follow the link from my post #2224 in this thread - the YouTube demo there is good. Also look at this thread to learn more about it : http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=731319&highlight=loudness

Ed

Can anybody say if PULSE is Better than In The Flesh, or vice versa?

Totally subjective... Who do you prefer -- Roger Waters or David Gilmore? I don't own In the Flesh, but I've heard it is great. I own Pulse and call it wonderful. Which branch of the Church do you sit with?

Totally subjective... Who do you prefer -- Roger Waters or David Gilmore? I don't own In the Flesh, but I've heard it is great. I own Pulse and call it wonderful. Which branch of the Church do you sit with?


hehe, too true. Lemmie put it this way, Gilmore has the voice while Waters has the lyrical ability. I'm largely looking for which one is better PQ and AQ and also if In The Flesh is on the same level as Pulse with regard to showmanship.

In The Flesh has a much better audio quality than Pulse.

Its essentially a very good stereo recording, with LFE and ambience added.

Another question. I'm sitting at home watching Korn on INHD and i'm curious: Is there a superb hard rock dvd out there?

In The Flesh has a much better audio quality than Pulse.

Its essentially a very good stereo recording, with LFE and ambience added.


Thanks, looks like i'll be buying both dvd's then :)

I own both and prefer "In the Flesh" but both are great. I would recommend getting both if you are a fan of the material.

Another question. I'm sitting at home watching Korn on INHD and i'm curious: Is there a superb hard rock dvd out there?




Thanks, looks like i'll be buying both dvd's then :)

I liked the Korn much more than I thaught I would. I can't stand that newer song "Twisted Transistor" but this live concert was way more than that crappy song. Even the Floyd remake was good live (absolutely hate the radio version). I watched it on INHD also so the editing sucked especally the last song! Good concert overall. If I remember right JohnR reviewed the DVD a while back and he also liked it.

also I liked the In The Flesh better than Pulse but you will have to judge for yourself.Eric

I agree that 'In The Flesh' is an overall better recorded DVD. However, I enjoy it more for Bramhall and White's contribution to the recording. Roger is a great musician, but Doyle and Snowy are awesome on this disc, IMO.

You've got to wonder how the lead from Dire Straits can have such a strong country flavour now.?

Knopfler has always had some pretty strong country leanings. It's pretty strong in D.S.'s 1st album. And I think it pops up occasionally in his solo stuff.

In fact, I've always sort of thought of him as somewhat of an English hillbilly. Well, a half English - half Hungarian Jewish hillbilly anyway :D .

Now that I remember, he had a side project/band called the (something-or-other) Hillbillies a few years back, if I'm not mistaken.

He even did an excellent duet album years ago with Chet Atkins (which I actually have). It's sort of a combination of their guitar stylings, recorded with a "Smooth Jazz" production sound (it came out when that genre was at it's "peak" - around the late '80's - very early '90's maybe). Sounds like it would be somewhat odd, but it's actually really good listening. They are after all, both pretty darned good guitarists.

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He even did an excellent duet album years ago with Chet Atkins (which I actually have). It's sort of a combination of their guitar stylings, recorded with a "Smooth Jazz" production sound (it came out when that genre was at it's "peak" - around the late '80's - very early '90's maybe). Sounds like it would be somewhat odd, but it's actually really good listening. They are after all, both pretty darned good guitarists.

I have this one as well, and have always really enjoyed it. I also have all of the old Dire Straits CD's and the DVD-A's of Sailing to Philadelphia and Shangrila, so I guess you might say I've always been a big fan of his. :cool:

Anyway, based on the comments here, I just ordered the new DVD even though I wish he would have done it without Harris.

I have this one as well, and have always really enjoyed it. I also have all of the old Dire Straits CD's and the DVD-A's of Sailing to Philadelphia and Shangrila, so I guess you might say I've always been a big fan of his. :cool:

Anyway, based on the comments here, I just ordered the new DVD even though I wish he would have done it without Harris.
Do you realize that there are 2 Dire Straits DVDs and 1 Mark Knopfler out already?

Ed

Do you realize that there are 2 Dire Straits DVDs and 1 Mark Knopfler out already?

Ed

No, can you provide some brief reviews?

Hows the light show in In The Flesh. Does it compare to Pulse?