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Equipment: HDTV, outdoor vhf/uhf yagi, Dish Network vip622dvr with HD sub.
I can pick up all digital channels in Lubbock PBS, KLBK, & KCBD, KJTV, (I live off slide south of 82nd). I receive HD programming on PBS, KLBK, & KCBD, KJTV?. What is up with KAMC 28.1? The digital signal doesn't look any better than the analog. Don't know if they transmit any HD. Just wondering if it is me or the broadcaster. The HD from the other stations is awesome.
Thanks....

KAMC-DT does only SD. They and KLBK-DT are at very low power and KLBK just went HD for the Super Bowl.

Both are supposed to get new equipment by this fall to be at full power and HD.

I'll email KAMC-DT about their picture quality. It slips from time to time, often so much so that lettering on crawl at bottom is unreadable.

Thank you for your response. I am an old HAM geek new to this HD/DT stuff.
Now if I can just get the digital audio feed wired in I will be in good shape. I haven't quite figured out this fiber optic / HDMI audio stuff. Dont really know what kind of A/V receiver to run it through.

Scott

I had emailed KAMC and this was the very nice engineers response:
"I know we are having some issues. We were working around the clock trying to get KLBK up and running HD for the Super Bowl. KAMC will not be doing HD until later in the year, when we move it and KLBK to full power digital. I say later in the year, we were suppose to be up and running by March 1, but that is not happening. For now you will only get SD from KAMC. Hopefully next week we can do something about the noise on it. I’ve got some parts ordered that should be here this week, but we won’t be able to work on it until next week."
I applaud him taking his busy time to respond.

I applaud him taking his busy time to respond.

I think I will applaud him when they FINALLY broadcast in HD.

With my current rabbits ears, I can pick up PBS, NBC, and Fox. I live at 24th and University, but I can't seem to get CBS or ABC. How much content are they showing in HD for CBS? Do either ABC or CBS digital channels at least look better than the analog signal? I'm just wondering if I should take the time to buy a better antenna at this point.

KLBK-DT is carrying pretty-much all of CBS' HD lineup, but they are still only broadcasting at 0.96kW ERP. I have to use a pre-amp to receive them from the NW loop area.

KAMC-DT is SD only and at 0.98kW ERP. Right now they are waiting form parts to fix some problems with their digital signal, so it is not as good as analog if you are in town.

Both say they will be full power (1000kW ERP) and HD by this fall.

Anyone In the 28th and U area able to get KLBK, im gonna be moving there and would like to see what people are using in that area to recieve the KLBK right now I have the radioshack vu-90xr and channelmaster stealth stacked in my current location. Wanna know if there is anything different i should be doing since it is a two story house and do not want to keep going back to the top.

I am at 28th and Chicago. You would be about 2/3 as close as I am to the KLBK tower (which is at University and South Loop) and I use a Radio Shack U-75R with a Winegard HDP-269 pre-amp to get both KLBK-DT and KAMC-DT.

The tower is slightly west of south and about 3 miles from you. You should be able to receive it with just your antenna, if it is outside and line of sight. I had to add the pre-amp because of trees about 1/2 block away and I am 4.7 miles from KLBK-DT's tower.

Appreciate the help, Im currently at N Quaker and the Loop and have gotten KAMC constantly, never went the pre-amp route to get KLBK because I always got a zero on the signal, occasionaly would pick it up on a good day.

Klbk looks like crap fpr two and a half men tonight

Digital Signal Strength Reported By My HP HDTV
I am at Chicago & 84th.
13.1 KLBK:100%
11.1 KCBD:100%
11.2 :100%
28.1 KAMC:75%(but they are not broadcasting digital)
34.1 KJTV: 100%
34.2 : 100%
5.1 KTXT: 100%
5.3 KTXT: 100%
I am using a RadioShack VU-75XR piped into the back of my Dish vip622.

I figured that it was the program from the national cbs feed because the next show was great pq. By the way not that I want to watch it but does anyone pull in 16.1 it is some christian station I think. Just curious

I pull in 16.1 but they are low power and the signal stinks. (Programming is not my taste.) I think there is one other signal out there but I cant remember the channel.
There is a signal on 5.2 detected by my HDTV but there is not any programming on it.

There is a channel 25.1, but it has been off the air for several months. It is GLC out of Midland, a religious broadcaster with translators all over W Texas and E New Mexico. I believe their analog channels is 16, but I've always detected then as 25.1.

I was wondering if anyones knows if there are any ota channels in hd in Hobbs, NM. Trying to find out for my dad. Thanks

Currently KMYL is on ch 16-1 in Hobbs. It is being broadcast in digital but only in standard def.

Other than 16-1 the closest would be out of Midland Odessa (about 50-55 miles SE) then out of Roswell/Carlsbad (about 60-65 miles NW). Unfortunately nearly all these atations are operating at reduced power. I got my info from http://www.TVRadioWorld.com and http://www.2150.com/broadcast/default.asp. The latter requires you entering the location as decimal degrees longitude and latitude. I used 32.69664 latitude and -103.12810 longitude for Hobbs Magnetic declination of 7.

Ok I don't understand why my tv network is digital in Hobbs but not lubbock and it is a lubbock station. Also I heard that the lubbock FOX is in HD ota in Hobbs. Any one know?

The simple answer is $. It is very expensive to build a digital television station. FOX34 is only analog OTA in Hobbs. The current plan is to put My Lubbock TV, The CW and Telemundo on a digital channel sometime this year. It just takes time to get these stations on the air.

I think KHFT-DT (16-1) in Hobbs is a satellite of KJTV, not KMYL. I have no way to confirm, unless someone in Hobbs can. I know it is owned by Ramar, but a lot of them are.

does anyone know what power the midland odessa stations are operating at? Mainly nbc, cbs, and fox? It seems like nbc is operating at full power based on anntena web but I was curious if anyone knows?

KMID-DT ABC on ch 26 currently 1.36kW application for 1000kW.
KOSA-DT CBS on ch 31 currently 13.3 kW application for 912kW.
KWES-DT NBC on ch 13 currently 8.5kW application for 8.5kW (petition for rulemaking applied for).
KPEJ-DT FOX on ch 23 currently 1kW application for 600kW.

This is from FCC database using www.TVRadioWorld.com, one or more may have moved from their DS to DT power, but not indicated.

Unfortunately there is no active Midland/Odessa thread such as this one for Lubbock.

sorry but what is considered full power?

VHF low (ch2-6) is 45kWfor antenna HAAT (height a bove average terrain) less than 305 meters; VHF high (ch7-13) is around 600Kw; UHF is 1000kW, these are maximum allowed power but stations may use less.

Doing further research, the ERP (Effective Radiated Power) not only varies by the frequency the station is on, but also by the height of the transmission antenna above average terrain. The FCC calculates by signal level at a certain distance from the tower.

I am still doing research for my dad this last tuesday he had a hr20 and a slimeline installed he lives in Hobbs and the albuquerque hd locals are still not available. I was in Hobbs on wed and on his 55 inch mitisbishi the stan locals look terrible. So I am trying to find out if he got an antenna if he'd recieve the midland odessa hd locals. Since I am with Direct tv I want him to be happy so he won't cancel cause I get $50 off my bill lol.

You might try emailing the chief engineer at each of the M/O stations to see when they go full power and what that power will be.

Are OTA analog stations from M/O receivable in Hobbs?

they are and If I did the calculations right he is about 60-70 miles away for the digital signals. So with the right antenna he should be able to recieve the signals that are of high power.

Looking at the 41dbu maps from FCC database, when the Midland/Odessa stations are at full power, all of them nearly reach Hobbs with a class A signal, KWES-DT (NBC) whose tower is closer to Hobbs, their class A signal reaches nearly to Lovington. So when they are full power, a nice tall tower with a good fringe antenna and a low noise pre-amp would probably give him a steady signal from all 4 major nets out of M/O.

I heard from someone at Ramar that KLBK is turning off the HD after the tourney. Said they only rented the equipment and originally planned to turn it off after the super bowl, but then decided to wait until after the tourney.

that will piss me off I was ready for the masters in hd.

I wonder if the u-75r with a amp would do the trick for the m/o signals in Hobbs

The only way to tell would be to try it.

The only problem might be KWES-DT (NBC) being on channel 13. You might want to use a channel 13 yagi combined with the U-75R through a CM7777 which has both UHF and VHF inputs.

I don't know if the local translator for KJTV would tend to overload the CM7777 or not.

Digital TV reception is an art, not a science.

Experimentation is the best teacher.

I would start with the U-75R and add to it as needed to get signal.

Thanks Jim5506 I owe you if you ever need your taxes done lol! Nice info bud

when i spoke with the chief engineer he made it sound like it was a permanent deal. Doesn't really seem cost effective to rent equipment for a few months for only a small majority of people that can recieve it. Especially when the plan on having ABC in HD and CBS increasing the power when the upgrades on the new tower finish up end of summer, early fall.

Anyone besides me hear the crazy audio stream coming from NBC HD yesterday? It scared the crap out of me, because I thought my tv had gone beserko.

I recently bought a Sony KD-34XBR970 and was planning on paying for ISF calibration. On their website they list two places, one of which doesn't even exist anymore (Southwest Home Theaters). The other is Advanced Electronics on 19th east of Ave Q. Does anyone have any experience with these people? I noticed some posts from two years ago on this thread about people flying someone in from Dallas. Is this a better option? I was hoping I could find someone with magnet experience, too, since I have some horizontal bowing issues in the corners of my set. Does anyone have any advice?

Advanced Electronics has done some warranty work on my TV before, but I didn't know they did ISF calibrations. I once thought about bringing in Steve Martin from Dallas, but flying him in + the ISf was just too much money. He is pretty highly regarded and will travel, so you might want to contact him. Good luck!

so is the word on klbk that it will stay hd even after the basketball tournament is done, or not

I love how I can get KLBK fairly strong all day every day.....except when there is something I want to watch on TV. The NCAA tournament final is skipping all over the place.

Well, "Shark" is in HD this evening.

WTF?! I musta missed the memo.

I thought it was "Waahahaaa, we got no money." Tough ****, you've had a decade to come up with it.

Crap, now I gotta go buy another HD tuner. Anybody else love the Hauppauge HVR-950? How can you cram an NTSC(non-encoding) and ATSC tuners into something the size of your thumb? Anyone tried the HVR-1600?

Spoke to someone thes am who does engineering for several LP's in the area.

He says KLBK-DT has the equipment in place now that they will use from now on so hopefully HD is with us on KLBK-DT for a lo-o-o-ong time!!

Current equipment is not rented.

Any word on dates for abc, or cw going hd?

The last I heard was KAMC-DT was scheduled for upgrade late summer/fall.

CW will probably flash cut analog to digital in Feb 2009 - HD is questionable.

what is the deal with mylubbock tv last few years they have shown the astros games that fsn doesn't show. Apparently this year they are not airing these games. Anyone know what gives?

back to doing ota research for my parents. I picked up pbs in hd in hobbs with rabit ears. I think it is based out of Portales. I am still trying to find info on Midland hd channels and if they would reach to Hobbs?

back to doing ota research for my parents. I picked up pbs in hd in hobbs with rabit ears. I think it is based out of Portales. I am still trying to find info on Midland hd channels and if they would reach to Hobbs?

Reception might be possible on some days with the right antenna setup. Take note. The PBS out of Portales is using low power DTV transmitters to cover their area. They are already up in Portales 1st on air (32), Roswell 2nd on air (31) and now Hobbs 3rd on air (guessing 47?) LP DTV. KENW is going with a distributed network of digital transmitters instead of one large transmitter in the center. (but that is not completely true now) Their current Ch.3 trans. is located north of Caprock and has limited coverage from its 1150ft tower. Unfortunately having a Ch. 3 allotment has not helped much. Impulse noise is only getting worse as the years go by, along with the power grid demanding 2% more each year only worsens reception on low channel V's. Back when you only had one or two channels you could pick up, 3 was great, it got out. People did not mind reception being nosy at times. But today with DVD's and satellite, people expect perfect pictures now. Or at least pictures with limited amount of noise in them, even if they are soft and low in resolution. VHS tape proved that.

It appears now, wherever KENW has setup a low power DTV that got licensed, they have applied to increase power to one megawatt and increased height. It looks like in Hobbs with one megawatt and a 1190ft tower they may reach pretty far into west Texas. (though I don't know if they have the funding to do this kind of upgrade, but it's in the FCC records) Lubbock may have a chance at getting a signal with the right antenna and on the west side. I've heard of people getting regular reception from 90 miles out in the midwest, and that's not as flat as West Texas.

Less then two years to go, it should get rather interesting when everyone is on digital and reception reports come in, along with DXing DTV from far away. Though it might be harder to know when distant signals are coming in, you won't be able to see sync bars anymore!

Marcus

I think you are right I think with the right antenna my parents could receive some of the midland odessa hd channels considering they are 60 miles away as I figure. It would just be nice if I could find someone in hobbs who has tried and what their results were first.

I would look at a Winegard HD8200P antenna. It is a BIG thing, but appears to be one of the best, if not the best UHF/VHF combo antennas. you will need a combo because KOSA-DT and KWES-DT are moving back to channels 7 and 9 in February 2009.

Another option (probably less expensive) would be to get an antenna tuned for VHF - high frequencies , like a Wade-Delhi vhf-high band http://www.wade-antenna.com/Wade/cutchannel.pdf and combine that with an Antennas Direct 91-XG (one of the best UHF antennas) using a Channel Master 7777 pre-amp. the 7777 has descrete UHF and VHF inputs and about 30dB of amplification.

And mount that baby as high up as you can - I'd try for 100 ft.

Hopefully the CW/My Lubbock TV/ Telemundo will go HD by the end of 2007. The goal is to put them on channel 43. CW and KMYL in 720P and Telemundo in 480i. If the transmitter comes in on time.

KMYL is in digital in Hobbs to protect the full power analog station. The reason KJTV is not in HD or digital is that Hobbs is in the ABQ DMA. Not Lubbock. You can probably still pick up 34-1 in Hobbs with a tall antenna.

Hey guys....new to this thread, and VERY new to HDTV....I have a couple of questions. I really am very interested in HD, but a few things are still confusing me.

I am looking at getting a Samsung LCD that has the "hd receiver/antenna...thing" built in. Does this mean I will be able to receive the local channels over the air without having to purchase other receivers? What type of channels will I receive with that already capable from the tv. I'm not planning on getting HD over the dish...yet...as right now I am only really interested in the networks...fox,abc,cbs etc. Do I need to buy something else so I can get the channels?

Sorry for the lack of more technical terms, but I am still very unsure about this whole HD business.

I think that's all for now. Thanks for the help!

BTW, I live on the southern side of lubbock near 82nd and Univerersity

juicy living where you live all you would probably need is a set of rabbit ears to hook up to the samsung to recieve nbc, fox, pbs, and cbs in hd. Cbs is the weakest of the full power hd feeds in Lubbock, so for most an outdoor anntenna is required to recieve klbk. In your situation being so close to their tower it probably wouldn't be a problem.

KAMC is planning to go HD on Suddenlink on June 4. OTA will be later this summer when both they and KLBK go full power.

Interesting well just my opinion Suddenlink is over priced and crappy service. I don't really watch anything on abc any way but It will be nice.

I hope KAMC goes HD before the British Open in July. Guess I'll have to wait until next year for HD NBA playoffs, since I'm OTA only.

KAMC is planning to go HD on Suddenlink on June 4. OTA will be later this summer when both they and KLBK go full power.

Do you know the channel number for KAMC using a QAM tuner and analog cable?

Thanks,
John

No, But as soon as it is detected I'll publish it.

I tried to get this info from Suddenkink for their other HD locals via QAM tuner, but they kept giving me their tuner virtual channels instead of the QAM channel.

KAMC is planning to go HD on Suddenlink on June 4. OTA will be later this summer when both they and KLBK go full power.
Man that is outstanding news!!
Are Channel 11 and 34 already at full power? What is full power?

Man that is outstanding news!!
Are Channel 11 and 34 already at full power? What is full power?

KTXT-DT (5.1 & 5.3) Ch39 are at fullpower - 890kW
KCBD-DT (11.1,11.2 & 11.3) Ch09 are at 15kW
KLBK-DT (13.1) Ch40 is at 0.96kW will be 1000kW
KAMC-DT (28.1) Ch27 is at 0.98kW will be 1000kW
KJTV-DT (34.1) Ch35 is at 58kW app to go to 5000kW

Source: FCC database through www.TVRadioWorld.com

I'm not seeing KMAC on the suddenlink channel guide. Did they delay it?

Maybe Wed or Thu.

Maybe next Tuesday.

Why the delays?

Suddenlink hardware changes.

I am new to HDTV and wondering how the antennas work and what I can pick up in Lubbock. I was looking at antennaweb. and it shows that I am no more then 5 miles away from the Towers. Can I get the Terk HDTVi VHF/UHF HDTV Indoor Antenna and beable to get all the main stations (ABC, CBS, Fox, NBC)?
Also how does the Terk Antenna conenct to the TV? Is it throught component, HDMI??? The TV I am looking at is the Sharp LC-37GP1U.
Do I need any special cables or anything to plug the TV into the cable outlet in the wall to reveive Standard Def. and plug in the HDTV antenna to get HD channels??

Right now KAMC (ABC) and KLBK (CBS) are both broadcasting at less than 1kW. I live at 28th and Chicaco and I have to use a CM4228 to receive those two with any regularity.

After both go to full power later this summer, an indoor antenna MIGHT work, but I would still advise against it. Indoor antennas are more prone to multi-path (reflections) and you loose at least 1/2 of your signal being inside rather than outside.

A small outdoor antenna can be hidden on the back side of your house and will give you more reliable reception.

I have a Radio Shack U75-R in my attic with a Winegard HDP-269 preamp on it that also is reliable in pulling in ABC and CBS.

If the TV you are looking at does not have an integrated ATSC HDTV tuner, you will have to buy an ATSC set-top box to decode the digital signals.

A TV with a digital tuner will have a coaxal cable connection on the back for the antenna to connect to.

Most of the digital signals in Lubbock come from the southwest quadrant of town. The only exception is KTXT-DT PBS which is near 19th and Marsha Sharp Fwy.

Thanks for the reply. The TV I am looking at has ATSC / QAM / NTSC tuner. If the antenna plugs into the coax on the back of the TV, then were would regular cable be plugged into? The TV seems to only have 1 coax plug. By looking at the pictures I cant see any other. I will be living in a apartment and there will be a cable outlet in my room. How would I also plug this SD cable into the TV?
Ill see what other options I have for antennas. I will be in a apartment so not sure if I can do an outdoor antenna.

Everything comes in through that one RF input.

If you have a QAM tuner and Suddenlink cable, you may not need an antenna, Suddenlink carries all local HD digital signals free on QAM. the channel numbers are wierd, like 94.1 and 111.8, etc. but they are there and KAMC is to join them soon (as soom as Suddenlink gets their act in order).

Most ,if not all, local cable systems carry OTA digital signals unenchrypted.

Did KLBK-DT stop their OTA transmission? I've been away a few weeks and upon my return 13.1 showed 'No Signal' on my TV. I rescanned for new digital signals, but didn't find a new channel for the CBS feed.

I do still receive the QAM channel in HD over Suddenlink, but I rely on OTA for one of my TVs.

Everything comes in through that one RF input.

If you have a QAM tuner and Suddenlink cable, you may not need an antenna, Suddenlink carries all local HD digital signals free on QAM. the channel numbers are wierd, like 94.1 and 111.8, etc. but they are there and KAMC is to join them soon (as soom as Suddenlink gets their act in order).

Most ,if not all, local cable systems carry OTA digital signals unenchrypted.

It should also be noted that if you are running suddenlink cable you'll need a HD/DVR box that does cost extra per month. You'll receive all the available local channels as well as some other specialty channels such as espn and discovery in hd. It's what I have running here at my apt and it seems to work well. The channel lineup is severly limited when compared to dish network which has twice as many HD channels, but living in an apt tends to limit my choices.

My son-in-law has a 50" plasma with a QAM tuner and he gets all the SD channels plus KLBK-DT, KCBD-DT, KJYV-DT and KTXT-DT all in HD. KAMC-DT is to be added soon.

No box needed if your TV has a QAM tuner.

Did KLBK-DT stop their OTA transmission? I've been away a few weeks and upon my return 13.1 showed 'No Signal' on my TV. I rescanned for new digital signals, but didn't find a new channel for the CBS feed.

I do still receive the QAM channel in HD over Suddenlink, but I rely on OTA for one of my TVs.
I don't have cable, and I am not getting OTA KLBK-DT right now. At first I thought it was my reception, which has been kinda crappy since the trees got their leaves back (I needed to move my antenna from the side to the top of the house anyway). But I'm actually locked on without a signal. :( Not sure what is going on.

I am new to HDTV and wondering how the antennas work and what I can pick up in Lubbock. I was looking at antennaweb. and it shows that I am no more then 5 miles away from the Towers. Can I get the Terk HDTVi VHF/UHF HDTV Indoor Antenna and beable to get all the main stations (ABC, CBS, Fox, NBC)?
Also how does the Terk Antenna conenct to the TV? Is it throught component, HDMI??? The TV I am looking at is the Sharp LC-37GP1U.
Do I need any special cables or anything to plug the TV into the cable outlet in the wall to reveive Standard Def. and plug in the HDTV antenna to get HD channels??
I live in the Lakeridge area and all I have is a Sears Silver Sensor indoor HD antenna plus extended basic cable from SuddenLink. My TV does have ATSM and QAM tuner. I'm also using a TIVO series 3. FOX, PBS, and NBC are all very reliable and most of the time CBS is good. I would recommend that you pick up the antenna from Sears and try it out. If it doesn't work you can return it.

Nee to this and need help with outdoor antenna selection. Live at 82 and Frankfort. Went to antennaweb and it really didn't make much sense to me. What antennae will I need and any additional parts and pieces?

Am looking at the Channel Master 3677.

Reading through this thread has me excited about the potential of hd on all the major networks. Is this a reality or just more of the same? Seems we have heard this befor about abc and cbs.

Thanks
Steve

Nee to this and need help with outdoor antenna selection. Live at 82 and Frankfort. Went to antennaweb and it really didn't make much sense to me. What antennae will I need and any additional parts and pieces?

Am looking at the Channel Master 3677.

Reading through this thread has me excited about the potential of hd on all the major networks. Is this a reality or just more of the same? Seems we have heard this befor about abc and cbs.

Thanks
Steve

We are already getting CBS-HD in Lubbock. ABC is right around the corner or so people are reporting here.

I live close to you near 87th and Slide and can pick up everything OTA except CBS using an indoor silver sensor. I have never bothered with a better antenna because I can get all the locals via QAM. You might want to look at Jim's configuration because he is further away and can get everything. ( Radio Shack U75-R in my attic with a Winegard HDP-269 preamp ).

Thanks, wasn't aware that CBS was transmitting so that is good to know.
Will look into the RS antenna.
Steve

See post #567 for details.

hmm..... my noob question hasnt really been answered yet, but good to know that QAM tunner is usefull.
If I were to buy a HD antenna how would I plug the antenna + cable outlet from the wall into the TV. The TV I am looking at only has 1 coax slot for ATSC / QAM / NTSC . Will I need to buy a splitter? One end goes in the TV, 1 goes to the antenna, and the other goes to the cable outlet in the wall.
Sorry if my question is dumb and confusing, I have no idea what the answer is.

hmm..... my noob question hasnt really been answered yet, but good to know that QAM tunner is usefull.
If I were to buy a HD antenna how would I plug the antenna + cable outlet from the wall into the TV. The TV I am looking at only has 1 coax slot for ATSC / QAM / NTSC . Will I need to buy a splitter? One end goes in the TV, 1 goes to the antenna, and the other goes to the cable outlet in the wall.
Sorry if my question is dumb and confusing, I have no idea what the answer is.


I think the point here (and correct me if I'm wrong Jim) is that if your tv has a QAM tuner there's no need for the HD antenna. You could run your SD cable from the wall into your one coax input and pickup basic cable there and using your QAM tuner pickup the local HD channels that are not encrypted from Suddenlink. Hope this helps?

You are correct, sir!

There may be a problem combining OTA signal with cable as they may overlap, ch 5 on calbe is not same as ch 5 ota. Use of an RF switch would be better.

If you have cable, all ota channels should be included, so an antenna would be superfluous.

ok, got my answer from Jim's post. Thanks for the help everyone.

Thought I would chime in on sssp's question. I have a QAM tuner on my set and get the unencrypted HD offerings via Suddenlink. I also have an OTA antenna hooked up as well. While I agree this is overkill, there have been times when the Suddenlink video or audio is messed up, and I have switched to OTA. I would think that since your tv has only one input that you could purchase some kind of A/B switch thru Ratshack and accomplish this.

Has anyone been able to pick up KLBK-DT lately OTA? I am definitely locked on with a strong enough reception, but I've had no signal for a days.

Beautiful HD picture of golf right now.

Has the wind moved your antenna, or dislodged a wire?

Beautiful HD picture of golf right now.

Has the wind moved your antenna, or dislodged a wire?
Thanks for the reply, Jim. I was actually planning on scoping things out today. Just wanted to make sure the signal was actually out there first. :) I think it's about time I moved the antenna to the top of the house instead of the side. When the leaves came back on the trees, it really messed with my reception (I live in Tech Terrace.)

Hey Jim, heard anymore on the progress of Suddenlink taking KAMC HD? I was holding my breath hoping they were going to get it going before the end of the finals but that didn't happen. Now I'm just hoping for the end of summer, before the new fall schedule hits the TV.

Word from KAMC-DT is that they (Suddenlink) are still working on it.

It would be nice to have all the unencrypted QAM channels listed here.

It would be nice to have all the unencrypted QAM channels listed here.

I posted this awhile back. I don't believe there are anymore since, but could be wrong.

Ok, here you go. These are the channel numbers that are showing up via QAM and Analog cable:

94.1 CBS HD
108.11 NBC HD
111.4 PBS HD
113.1 FOX HD

Beyond the above, I can pull in all the digal music channels and...

82.12 NBC's local digital weather
83.4 The Tube music channel
83.8 Fox local digital weather
83.9 Some preview channel for In Demand
80.13 FISD

I've lost signal on KLBK as well. Im getting 80+ on the signal, but its only displaying a black screen. Who here is still recieving the picture over the air and not through suddenlink?

I am not getting KLBK OTA either recently. I can get it via QAM and Suddenlink.

This morning I was getting NBC OTA but not via QAM and Suddenlink. Strange.

My Dish 622 still has KLBK-DT, but the DTV tuner on my Hitachi does not have it. Must be a PSIP problem.

I reported the problem to KLBK-DT and they are checking it out.

What type of tuners do you'all have that are not currently seeing picture and sound on KLBK-DT?

ATSC/NTSC hybrid with Clear QAM (8 VSB)

ATSC/NTSC hybrid with Clear QAM (8 VSB)
Let me be specific, what brand and model of tuner/TV do you have, and does it or does it not now receive picture and sound on KLBK-DT?

Sony 60 inch SXRD Model 60A2000 I think. It has an integrated tuner. Again, I can get KLBK via Suddenlink and QAM but not OTA.

Sony KD-34XBR970 with ATSC/NTSC tuner. No video, no sound. =[

Just checked out my Accurian 6000 - it has picture and sound on 13-1.

Any further info on the OTA broadcast powerup for kamc?

Anyone else picking up KLBK-DT over the air? I messed around with my antenna for a long time today, and I can't pick it up for the life of me. I stupidly deleted it from my TV's memory, and now I can't pick it up when rescanning. I rescanned many times today, moving the antenna multiple times, with the wife in front of the TV communicating via walkie-talkies. No luck. :( All the other digital channels are at least 80 in signal strength. Any thoughts on what the problem might be?

Not that I don't trust that you are picking it up, Jim, but just wondering if other people that were having problems have managed to pick up 13.1.

I pick up 13 OTA but no 13.1.

28th and Chicago:

I added a Dishnetwork VIP211 Sunday afternoon and it also picked up 13.1, signal strength about 85 on a 0-100 scale.

It is on a different antenna from my 622.

The 622 is on my RS U75-R with a winegard HDP-269 pre-amp in the attic, the 211 is on my CM4228 outside.

Well, I scanned again this morning and manged to pick it up. However, it was on 40.1.

40.1 is the actual frequency for KLBK-DT. Looks like their PSIP is flakey.

Well, I scanned again this morning and manged to pick it up. However, it was on 40.1.

Thanks for the headsup. I did the same last night and also found CBSHD at 40.1.

Any further info on the OTA broadcast powerup for kamc?

Probably toward the end of the year. Equipment is on order.

May have to move come September!

Probably toward the end of the year. Equipment is on order.

May have to move come September!


I was recently able to squeeze some info out of a suddenlink rep about this. I was told that the deal with kamc is still under negotiations between them and suddenlink but that it should happen soon. No word on ota. I was also told that the interactive channel guide is about to be completley rehauled and that all analog channels will be going digital within the next year.

Is suddenlink finally attempting to compete with dish??? :)

KAMC high up personnel told me that the KAMC end is done, the problem is hardware on the Suddenlink end, and KAMC hasn't even completed the transmitter building for their power upgrade much less the electronics inside.

KAMC high up personnel told me that the KAMC end is done, the problem is hardware on the Suddenlink end, and KAMC hasn't even completed the transmitter building for their power upgrade much less the electronics inside.

So I'm guessing that the hardware changes are going to be responsible for the channel guide rehaul as well? Makes sense. As long as it all done in time for football, I'll be happy. :)

The wait is over! Sometime today Suddenlink added KAMC to their local HD lineup. I was unable to view a program broadcasting in HD so I can't attest to the quality but the channel itself is there and running. I was also able to pick it up on my brothers' TV via the QAM Tuner. I can't recall the channel number at the moment....94-2???

When will we be able to get it on 28-1 in HD via antenna?

I will be moving into town next month near Indiana and 110th. I was wondering if there were any experienced souls out there who could guide me towards a good antenna for the area. I checked antennaweb for the neighborhood and I'm right on top of a number of transmitters. Will an indoor work well? Attic setup? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for your help...

PS I would search the thread for this info but it's HUGE! :)

I will be moving into town next month near Indiana and 110th. I was wondering if there were any experienced souls out there who could guide me towards a good antenna for the area. I checked antennaweb for the neighborhood and I'm right on top of a number of transmitters. Will an indoor work well? Attic setup? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for your help...

PS I would search the thread for this info but it's HUGE! :)

Indoor will probably work. you are very near (<2.5 miles) the two weakest sisters KAMC-DT (ABC) and KLBK-DT (CBS), but where you are a paperclip might work.

That failing, I use a Radio Shack U-75R - $30 at RS. Only one DT is VHF and it is on channel 9, moving back to ch 11 in 2009, but my U-75R picks it up. You are 4.4 miles from CH9 and 6 from KTXT-DT (PBS).

Anybody have a definitive channel number for KAMC-DT on Suddenlink QAM?

Anybody have a definitive channel number for KAMC-DT on Suddenlink QAM?

I'm almost positive that it was 94-2. It was the channel immediately after cbs which I remember being 94-1. I have noticed that even though the channel is now running on Suddenlink HD, it is still not running in HD. I tried watching 4 different shows that were supposed to be in HD but they weren't. Still waiting for someone to "flip" the HD switch.

I'm almost positive that it was 94-2. It was the channel immediately after cbs which I remember being 94-1. I have noticed that even though the channel is now running on Suddenlink HD, it is still not running in HD. I tried watching 4 different shows that were supposed to be in HD but they weren't. Still waiting for someone to "flip" the HD switch.

I noticed that too, very annoying. Is it on KAMC's side or Suddenlink's side?

I've reported it to KAMC-DT and they are looking into it.

Any word on OTA for KAMC? *crosses fingers*

Any word on OTA for KAMC? *crosses fingers*

See post #607.

Did the channel number change for receiving NBC HD over QAM? I had it down as 108.11 but haven't been able to receive it for quite awhile. Also, wanted to confirm that CBS HD via QAM is in fact 94.2 as birdieman thought.

One other observation: I have noticed my signal strength from Suddenlink gets weaker as the outside temperature rises. My next door neighbor is an engineer with AT&T and he told me it has something to do with the equipment that Suddenlink uses. Anyone else ever notice this or am I crazy? I wonder if Suddenlink would entertain adding some kind of line amp for free on my house.

I've reported it to KAMC-DT and they are looking into it.

Any word yet on why KAMC HD is not broadcasting in HD yet? I'm trying to watch The Open but it's still in SD.

I don't think the Open was broadcast in HD. They still have problems translating European HD to US ATSC.

Next HD offering by ABC is at 7PM, Disney - Princess Diaries - whoppie!

Any word yet on why KAMC HD is not broadcasting in HD yet? I'm trying to watch The Open but it's still in SD.
It should be 16:9 SD. That's what they are saying here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=873086

It's not even HD over the pond, so don't sweat it. BBC is looking to go HD for the Open next year.

I don't think the Open was broadcast in HD. They still have problems translating European HD to US ATSC.

Next HD offering by ABC is at 7PM, Disney - Princess Diaries - whoppie!

Have you been able to catch anything broadcasting in HD yet. I've tried tuning in some of the Hd primetime shows with no luck.

I don't think the Open was broadcast in HD. They still have problems translating European HD to US ATSC.

Next HD offering by ABC is at 7PM, Disney - Princess Diaries - whoppie!

It's not being recorded in HD but they are upconverting it. It should still be 720p in 16:9. If you've watched any of the Open on TNT, you'll see what I mean. It should be the same for ABC. Not recorded in HD but upconverted for "enhanced viewing experience".
For whatever reason, KAMC HD is running in SD 24/7. They've made the first step in getting the channel to Suddenlink but have yet to actually send any HD signal to Suddenlink.
Anyone have an explanation?

I think Grey's Anatomy was shown in HD Thursday night, but I was just clicking through channels and didn't leave it on there very long. It really seems the people at KAMC don't know what they are doing.

Part of this might be the old problem that the tech at the station fails to "throw the switch" when an HD show is coming from the network.

So they are sending Suddenlink an HD feed, but they do not send this signal out over OTA? Is this because they don't have the necessary equipment?

KAMC-DT's situation is different from KLBK-DT. They also must replace the microwave link from the studio to the tower. KLBK-DT has their tower on site, so they could just send the HDTV signal up the wire to the DTV antenna. KAMC-DT has to rebuild the link from station to tower, then send it up the wire to the DTV antenna.

I'm not sure if KAMC-DT has automated their switching from SD to HD when moving from SD commercials or programs to an HD program. They may be forgetting to switch sometimes on their feed to Suddenlink. I know it was some time before KCBD-DT got that working.

I'm not sure if KAMC-DT has automated their switching from SD to HD when moving from SD commercials or programs to an HD program. They may be forgetting to switch sometimes on their feed to Suddenlink. I know it was some time before KCBD-DT got that working.

Other issues could be in the way the network has setup the feeds off the satellites for HD. I know for CBS, the operator has to actively change feeds to pick up the right HD broadcast, particularly on the weekends with sports moving around during the day. FOX is much more automated, the network changes the feed for you, and FOX only has something like two HD network feeds available for the entire network distribution across the nation. So often the network is changing what is being broadcast on that particular feed, and the local has little choice but to take what they are given. A bit maddening during NFL, if you want Dallas, but are only getting Denver.. CBS will often allow the local affiliate choose what games they will pick up that weekend and it's up to the affiliate to get the right HD feed off the satellite to match their SD side. Fox’s system advantage is simplicity and allows for all FOX affiliates to get HD passed onto viewers no matter how small the market size may be, or local stations budget for HD conversion. FOX practically hands it to you ready made; you just need to get it to the transmitter. CBS, NBC, ABC require a lot more investment from the local to make HD work.

Checked out KAMC-DT Last night on Suddenkink at my daughter and son-in-law's house.

It was on 94.2 and in HD.

6 more weeks until NASCAR is on ABC OTA - come on KAMC geter up!

Hi All,

Just moved down from Amarillo to 85th and Milwaukee here in Lubbock. I needed a Winegard amplified SquareShooter up there to pull in some of the weak signals around town, but I'm thinking that I'll do fine with an unamplified Winegard Sensar III here. Thoughts/experiences? I'd love to keep the cost as low as possible and still get good reception.

Try a Radio Shack U75-R. Only $30.

All locals are UHF except KCBD-DT which is full power now on ch09 moving back to Ch11 Feb 2009. I get it with no problem on the U75-R from 28th and Chicago.

Checked out KAMC-DT Last night on Suddenkink at my daughter and son-in-law's house.

It was on 94.2 and in HD.

6 more weeks until NASCAR is on ABC OTA - come on KAMC geter up!

I gave up trying! :) There's not too much on TV right now anyways. Just hoping that it will work fine by the time fall rolls around.

I have been gone most of the summer just got back. I am getting nothing on 13-1 and my signal strength is the same. It is just a black screen, I have Direct tv and nbc, pbs, fox, and abc are all still coming in. Any ideas.

I have been gone most of the summer just got back. I am getting nothing on 13-1 and my signal strength is the same. It is just a black screen, I have Direct tv and nbc, pbs, fox, and abc are all still coming in. Any ideas.

Try 40.1.

I tried to rescan my D* box to pick up cbs but it's still not working. I looked at the signal meter and I am getting around 75% for cbs just like always it is just black when I change to it though. Anyone else having this problem.

Is anyone else having this problem of cbs not showing up on D* box? I can't figure this out all the other locals are fine the signal strength is fine for cbs and the screen is just black. I called D* and ley say it is not a problem on their end. I am just trying to figure out what the hell is going on I am still pulling in kamac and the strenght of the signal is lower than klbk. Any ideas

I'm not sure about D*, but I'm definitely not getting KLBK OTA. I've got no signal on either 13.1 or 40.1. Perhaps they're installing the new transmitter for the 1000 kW upgrade? Anybody in the know?

(BTW, Jim, thanks for the antenna recommendation. I installed it in the NE corner of my attic, and I've got 100% signal on all the digitals with great analog reception to boot!)

I've still got KLBK-DT. Watching golf in HD right now. CBS does do a good job with their 1080i.

Have you emailed the station?

Occasionally there are peculiarities with a transmitter that cause certain receivers to fail to lock, etc.

My problem is KAMC-DT. While it is still SD, It still pixellates and drops out on me occasionally, probably due to low wattage and my being 6.5 miles away. I heard they have begun construction on their transmitter house - now word when they go HD OTA. I did watch the LLWS on Suddenlink yesterday, about half way through the game they had a picture breakup. It looked like they had to reboot their encoder or something. Lasted about 20 minutes.

I got KLBK-DT at one point right after I put up my antenna, but I'm not having any luck with it now on either of my DTVs. I've never gotten KAMC-DT, which makes me think that my problems with KLBK-DT are signal strength.

Any tips on pulling more in with the RatShack U-75R? I know you use a Winegard HDP-269 on yours, Jim, but I'm guessing you had signal to start with?

I find that location is more important than amplification. The east end of my house has trouble with KLBK-DT but 30 ft away near the center of the roof, both KLBK-DT and KAMC-DT are stable. I think the very low signal levels combine with reflections off buildings to make hot and cold spots everywhere. Probably the only solution is when they both go to full power, hopefully before the end of the year.

KLBK is back in HD for me finally. It had been gone for 2 weeks. I have missed my hd golf. Just in time to see the PGA playoffs!!!!!!!! And football. By the way how awesome would it be if KAMC went hd before College Football kicks off this Sat., well at least for those of us with just OTA

TitanTV.com has the Texas Tech/SMU Football game Monday afternoon labeled as Educational.;)

Anybody else notice that the Wake Forest/Boston College game was blacked out on ESPN yesterday?

Yeah. I noticed that. Did we even get that game locally?

The only place I could find it was on a Dish PPV channel - probably on game plan, but that is no excuse to black out ESPN is it?

I noticed the same thing very strange. I am sure missing not having abc in hd for college football

I noticed the same thing very strange. I am sure missing not having abc in hd for college football
I'm with you on that, but I don't miss it enough to pay for cable. ;)

I thought KLBK and KAMC were in HD on Suddenlink? The Sooners game on Saturday was in HD for about 10 minutes, then back to SD. And the Texans game today, which was available in HD, was shown in SD the whole way through. What's going on? I just resubscibed to cable to get some HD football. If they aren't going to actually carry the HD signal, what's the point of Suddenlink devoting a HD channel to these clowns?

I think that klbk and kamc are worthless personally. It is a joke that they aren't full power hd yet. They probably have poor management. It is painfull to watch abc for college football on saturday's on kamc's terrible digital feed.

Did they have a weather warning bug on the screen?
If so, then they have to drop back to SD.
It takes some very expensive equipment to inject an overlay into an HD picture stream, like they have to reformulate the whole stream instead of just passing it through.

There were no weather warnings. I've noticed this as well on KLBK lately. Letterman has been showing in 4:3. KLBK is now as unreliable as KAMC. I've come to expect it from KAMC but KLBK has been so consistent since coming on air last Jan.

It really says a lot when our publicly supported stations are the first adopters of HD technology (PBS for HDTV and KOHM for HD radio). PBS has the weakest signal but the highest quality. Scratching my head over that one…

Maybe KAMC and KLBK will be full power OTA HD by 2010 when I move out of Lubbock. =[

We need to obtain the control room phone numbers for these two so we can wake them up from time to time.

Yet another great saturday up coming that I will be watching horrid sd on kamc when I could be watching hd

We need to obtain the control room phone numbers for these two so we can wake them up from time to time.

There is some contact info on their websites but I have a feeling it's outdated. I've tried contacting an engineer there before but never received a response. The sites look outdated and usually have news from a few days ago on the home page. It looks like their websites are as well maintained as their broadcast are!

You would think they could skip a year without updating their Dopler 20000 and save up for the HD weather graphics.

We need to obtain the control room phone numbers for these two so we can wake them up from time to time.

They were actually on the ball at KAMC. The Sooner's game switched to HD after the first or second series, but almost immediately there were problems. The audio started having sort of a popping sound, and then there was a huge bar of static running through the middle of the screen. They switched to SD and never went back to HD. Who knows about KLBK :mad:

just got the slimeline installed maybe just maybe I will get to watch a tech game on fsn in hd before seasons end! I am still waiting for kamc it sure would be nice to have it for the neb. usc game sat. Those of you with cable hope they remember to flip the switch

Watched the game on hd cable tonight looked great. Hope to see kamc go hd soon for ota

Anyone having trouble with KCBD (NBC) and KJTV (FOX)? Mine went out yesterday and still hasn't come back on yet. I wanted to watch the chargers vs patriots game in HD...
I have suddenlink, the channel numbers that went out were 113-1 and 111-4. Also 108-11 which is PBS does not work either.

I had the issue with fox but not nbc

My issue is KAMC-DT. Not only is their picture SD, but the picture quality on the digital channel is poorer than the picture quality on the analog channel. On the weather and sports shows some of the smaller graphics are unreadable.

My issue is KAMC-DT. Not only is their picture SD, but the picture quality on the digital channel is poorer than the picture quality on the analog channel. On the weather and sports shows some of the smaller graphics are unreadable.

This is the weekend where I may snap with these guys. The Colts and Texans game is in HD, and KLBK is carrying it. If they don't pass the HD feed to Suddenlink, I will, for the first time ever, actually send a letter of complaint to the station. As the Big 12 enters into conference play, I want this to not be a niggling concern going into every weekend.

Anyone notice a problem with the sound on KCBD? It sounds like they're talking through wax paper at times.

The problems continue...

I have a question for those of you here is lubbock with dish hd. Do you get fsn southwest in hd? If so you are lucky the game is in hd tomorrow against ok st. I have Direct tv and I am still waiting for fsn southwest hd supposed to be up by sometime in october.

I have Dish and did see all 3 FSNSW games in HD yesterday. In addition, I got all ESPN, ESPN2, Big Ten Network( 5 HD feeds possible), Versus, NFL, and WSPOR ( Canadian football)games in HD. Now if only I could get the local networks' games in HD. Living in Ransom Canyon, on the lake ,makes local HD reception almost impossible.

Nice work by TexaSize this weekend. Both CFB games were in HD on KAMC and KLBK, as well as the Colts/Texans game. Via Suddenlink at least. Hopefully they've got everything sorted out now.

I only have KAMC-DT OTA, so I'm waiting...

Their SD digital picture (OTA) is still poorer than the analog one.

I feel your pain Jim

I predict no OTA HD for KAMC until next year.

Anyone notice a problem with the sound on KCBD? It sounds like they're talking through wax paper at times.

I've got the same problem. The sound is fine when KCBD's broadcasting SD content with stereo/Pro Logic sound, but when they're broadcasting HD content with Dolby Digital sound, there's a lot of upper-range compression and distortion that indeed sounds a lot like talking through wax paper.

I have the problem both watching live TV (via my TV's speakers) and watching prerecorded content on my TiVO HD using my audio receiver and speakers. I'm OTA-only, for what it's worth.

Anyone else having this problem?

I had a huge problem watching ER last night in HD. Got the full DD 5.1 reception, but the dialog was so hard to hear. I had to crank the sound way up to be able to hear what they were saying, but then the rest of the soundtrack was way too loud. fortunately my audio processor can adjust just the center channel, so I cranked it up by 10db and then "only" had to raise the main volume another 10. sheesh.

Well, I see that KPTB-DT channel 16 -1 is back with us after a 6+ month hiatus.

Have the QAM channels on Suddenlink changed? I haven't been able to get KCBD.

I recently came across another thread here on AVS regarding HD progamming (http://http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=419472) for all carriers, satellite and cable. Both major satellite carriers are planning massive upgrades over the next few months, adding a large number of new channels. Suddenlink is showing nothing as being in the works. I tried emailing them about this but was refered to my local office and not given an answer. My question is this...why is cable so incapable of upgrading and adding more channels. They charge twice as much as satellite yet you get less. Half of their channels are still analog. Does anyone know anything about any upgrades in the works? Any news would be good news!

Any advice for picking up 13-1 CBS better? It seems to come and go during the day for me and ok at night. I live out in Llano Estates. Close to 50th Ave and 179 (Inler). I have a Radio Shack antenna U-75R.

I live at 28th and Chicago and use a RS U75-R with a Winegard HDP-269 pre-amp in my attic.

KLBK-DT is steady at about 83 out of 100 signal level on my Dish Network 622.

KAMC-DT is in the lower 60's and during the day I get drop-outs.

I got the Winegard pre-amp because it is rated for urban use (12dB and resistant to overload) and I am only 2.5 miles from the KTXT-DT tower.

I live at 28th and Chicago and use a RS U75-R with a Winegard HDP-269 pre-amp in my attic.

KLBK-DT is steady at about 83 out of 100 signal level on my Dish Network 622.

KAMC-DT is in the lower 60's and during the day I get drop-outs.

I got the Winegard pre-amp because it is rated for urban use (12dB and resistant to overload) and I am only 2.5 miles from the KTXT-DT tower.


Do you think a pre-amp would help me? Can I purchase one locally?

Any advice for picking up 13-1 CBS better? It seems to come and go during the day for me and ok at night. I live out in Llano Estates. Close to 50th Ave and 179 (Inler). I have a Radio Shack antenna U-75R.

I've been told that both CBS and ABC transmit at the minimum digital strength allowable... that they just barely cover inside the loop and anything outside that area will be "lucky" to get a signal. I live in Levelland and get both NBC (11-1) and FOX (34-1) without any problems. I can't get either CBS (13-1) or ABC (28-1) at all. I do get the CBS and ABC analog stations.

I am using a Radio Shack 75mi outdoor antenna. I currently don't have a preamp, but I have one on order. I expect to get it Fri or Sat. I'll report back if it makes any difference with my signal strength with NBC and FOX. I don't expect anything to change with the others.

I've been told that both CBS and ABC transmit at the minimum digital strength allowable... that they just barely cover inside the loop and anything outside that area will be "lucky" to get a signal. I live in Levelland and get both NBC (11-1) and FOX (34-1) without any problems. I can't get either CBS (13-1) or ABC (28-1) at all. I do get the CBS and ABC analog stations.

I am using a Radio Shack 75mi outdoor antenna. I currently don't have a preamp, but I have one on order. I expect to get it Fri or Sat. I'll report back if it makes any difference with my signal strength with NBC and FOX. I don't expect anything to change with the others.

Yes. Please let me know.

Yes. Please let me know.
I live north of Levelland 12 miles......and from Lubbock 30.7 miles, Let me see if i can help you guys......

I have a Channel Master 4228 8bay uhf antenna on a 40 ft tower, running thru an HR20-700 Directv receiver(and that receiver is picky about signal)...and pickup 11-1 at 100%......34-1 at 100%......cannot acquire 28-1 but every now and again.....and am currently watching 13-1 at about 50%.....but running thru a splitter or diplexer kills it......so take it out of the loop.......I tried running a 30db gain amplifier in the mix but it will not work.....its too much gain........there is no substitute for a good antenna and that 4228 is awsome..(running straight to the tv and not the receiver, you can tune in Yokyo with that antenna, its that good...lol well nearly)...it is a UHF only antenna but has some VHF capibility say from 2 to 11.........but all Lubbocks digital channels are UHF, so no need for VHF or at least for me anyway........the 4228 is hard to find, none in Lubbock that i know of but i know where 2 Winegard 8800 8bay antennas are in town and they are practically the same antenna as the Channel Master and they are about half the weight of the CM but are very good antennas

KLBK and KAMC are transmiting at just .96 Kilowatt.on the digital side.....which is nearly nothing

I live north of Levelland 12 miles......and from Lubbock 30.7 miles, Let me see if i can help you guys......

I have a Channel Master 4228 8bay uhf antenna on a 40 ft tower, running thru an HR20-700 Directv receiver(and that receiver is picky about signal)...and pickup 11-1 at 100%......34-1 at 100%......cannot acquire 28-1 but every now and again.....and am currently watching 13-1 at about 50%.....but running thru a splitter or diplexer kills it......so take it out of the loop.......I tried running a 30db gain amplifier in the mix but it will not work.....its too much gain........there is no substitute for a good antenna and that 4228 is awsome..(running straight to the tv and not the receiver, you can tune in Yokyo with that antenna, its that good...lol well nearly)...it is a UHF only antenna but has some VHF capibility say from 2 to 11.........but all Lubbocks digital channels are UHF, so no need for VHF or at least for me anyway........the 4228 is hard to find, none in Lubbock that i know of but i know where 2 Winegard 8800 8bay antennas are in town and they are practically the same antenna as the Channel Master and they are about half the weight of the CM but are very good antennas

KLBK and KAMC are transmiting at just .96 Kilowatt.on the digital side.....which is nearly nothing

Thanks pt and welcome to the AVS Forum!

I am going to two tuners, so I have to have a splitter. With that alone, I know I won't get KLBK and KAMC. Such is life. So, PBS, NBC and FOX get my "money". I don't watch analog stations. :D

I've considered the CM 4228. I may end up moving to that in the future. Guess I'll have to order it online. Where are the Winegard 8800's? I may get inspired and pick one up on a whim. ;)

thanks i saw yalls conversation so thought i would join up........oh and i forgot about PBS yeah that is 100 percent for sure.....awsome 1080i...........those winegards are at Texas Electronics Supply Corp .....1409 34th.......i think they are around 70 bucks and Mark will work with you if it doesnt work......so worth a try

thanks i saw yalls conversation so thought i would join up........oh and i forgot about PBS yeah that is 100 percent for sure.....awsome 1080i...........those winegards are at Texas Electronics Supply Corp .....1409 34th.......i think they are around 70 bucks and Mark will work with you if it doesnt work......so worth a try

I know Texas Electronics very well. Thanks!

i thought about getting one of those and comparing the 2 side by side........Any news on when KLBK and KAMC will up the power?..I emailed the station engineer but cant get a response back......i heard near the end of the year but who knows~~

i thought about getting one of those and comparing the 2 side by side........Any news on when KLBK and KAMC will up the power?..I emailed the station engineer but cant get a response back......i heard near the end of the year but who knows~~

No, I don't know. They'll have to do something when they take the analog signals off the air.

TVFool.com shows all of KJTV (Fox), KAMC (ABC) and KLBK (CBS) broadcasting at 1000kw, but, we know that's not right.

http://www.marawinders.com/theater/Radar-Digital.PNG

I'm at 82nd & Milwaukee, and I've got the same RS U75-R as Jim, mounted up in my attic. According to my TiVo HD, I'm getting around 25-30% on KLBK-DT (so not tunable), and it's not even registering a signal on KAMC-DT (but 100% for KCBD-DT, KJTV-DV, and KTXT-DT, and crystal-clear on all the analogs). My signal gets split 3 ways, but I've tried a direct path to the TiVo as well with maybe 5% improvement.

I could try a pre-amp, but I don't want to spend the money to try to pull in those two stations IF they're going to go full power sometime soon. I wish they'd announce their plans... I've tried emailing their engineer as well, but got no response.

yeah no kidding..........that is what they applied for.....Nascar on ABC for the last few races and KAMC doing me wrong........lol..........I applied for a waiver so i could get the Networks out of New York and LA

yeah no kidding..........that is what they applied for.....Nascar on ABC for the last few races and KAMC doing me wrong........lol..........I applied for a waiver so i could get the Networks out of New York and LA

My brother got the waiver from them a few years ago and was able to get his locals from Dish out of west and east coast. But, this last summer they cut him off. Something about a court ruling in Florida, I think? he still has the waiver, but dish won't deliver.

I don't use SAT or cable, OTA only! (For broadcast programming)

oh really?..........Im with Directv and so is my buddy in Levelland, all but KCBD allowed the waiver for him....and he still has them.....that would be ok since i get them Loud and Clear OTA~

oh really?..........Im with Directv and so is my buddy in Levelland, all but KCBD allowed the waiver for him....and he still has them.....that would be ok since i get them Loud and Clear OTA~

It appears to be a Dish only "problem". I'm not sure, but I think this is the relevant information:

http://dtvfacts.com/latest/364/dish-network-distant-networks-2/

yeah seems to be.......guess ill have to see how mine pans out........Tim wish i had joined up earlier and saw you were going to try a sig amp.....i just took mine off the tower ....you would be welcome to try it and see if it would help before you ordered yours.....its that Radio Shack 30db with that FM trap

yeah seems to be.......guess ill have to see how mine pans out........Tim wish i had joined up earlier and saw you were going to try a sig amp.....i just took mine off the tower ....you would be welcome to try it and see if it would help before you ordered yours.....its that Radio Shack 30db with that FM trap

Thanks. I use my antenna for receiving FM radio, so the FM trap would be a problem (unless I don't understand what it's for). I already have mine on order anyway.

I really wanted to get the Channel Master 7777 amp, but I couldn't find it locally. Turns out I had to order an amp anyway, but couldn't get the one I wanted. Hope it works out. If not, I'll bring it back. Will report as soon as I get it installed (hopefully this weekend).

ill be curious to see how it works for ya..........mine i would hook it up then unhook it.....trying to get it to work.......and then when i put that 4228 up it was a no go......so just took it down...

oh really?..........Im with Directv and so is my buddy in Levelland, all but KCBD allowed the waiver for him....and he still has them.....that would be ok since i get them Loud and Clear OTA~

I've got a couple of hr20-700s with D* now. Are you enjoying all of the new HD channels? Any idea if/when D* will add Lubbock locals to a sat?

Rxman how you like it so far????.............I love the HD channels.....every wednesday is like christmas......lol......I was on the phone with D just a few days ago and asked the CSR to look up our zip and she said NO plans for locals thru D*........bummer.........But a bit of interesting news today, I had emailed the Director of Operations for KAMC and asked when we could expect enough power to lock into the digital signal , that a lot of us were wanting to know.........and i got the response and i quote...." Full power around the first of the year"....end quote

a bit of interesting news today, I had emailed the Director of Operations for KAMC and asked when we could expect enough power to lock into the digital signal , that a lot of us were wanting to know.........and i got the response and i quote...." Full power around the first of the year"....end quote

Full power! Now that's great news! Thanks for the info pt!

yeah i thought that was great news........and that means KLBK also.....cuz they are the same people i suppose..........

I have a CM4228 on the east end of my house (28th and Chjicago) about 30 ft up. I get all the local digitals, but since KTXT-DT is about 90 deg from the others it gets some multi-path and occasional dropouts (only 2.5 miles away) My RS U75-R with the Winegard HDP-269 pre-amp in the attic has about the same performance as the bare 4228 outside except KAMC-DT pixellates during the day time. My neighbor has an oak tree The 4228 has to shoot through. I'm thinking of moving it but with the low profile roof (about 4 ft clearance down the center) my house has it's difficult to get into most of the attic to run RG-6.

Here's my TVFool profile for digitals. Most of these stations don't even exist.

Only channels 5.1;5.3;11.1;11.2;13.1;16.1;28.1;34.1;34.2 are actually broadcasting digitally. Most of the rest will flash cut to digital in Feb 2009.

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Just thought I would chime in. I live on 34th and slide I have a radioshack U-75R seems to be a popular choice. It works great I don't have a tuner in me tv so I have it hooked up directly to my H20 from Direct tv. I get 100% on on kcbd (nbc), kjtv (fox), and ktxt (pbs). On klbk I get about 75% and it is locked in with no issues. I also recieve kamc but at 54% or so. Sure would be nice to see kamc go hd. As for those of us with D* those new hd channels looking amazing, watching the cubs choke as I write this on tbs-hd and it looks amazing. Looks like the days of hd lite on D* are over!!!!!!!! This is great to have so many posts lately also.

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Rxman how you like it so far????.............I love the HD channels.....every wednesday is like christmas......lol......I was on the phone with D just a few days ago and asked the CSR to look up our zip and she said NO plans for locals thru D*........bummer.........But a bit of interesting news today, I had emailed the Director of Operations for KAMC and asked when we could expect enough power to lock into the digital signal , that a lot of us were wanting to know.........and i got the response and i quote...." Full power around the first of the year"....end quote

I like it! I am looking foward to Fox Sports Southwest and a few more channels being added. It's nice to have a bunch of HD channels now though. Having all the majors via OTA will be nice too if/when it happens.

Yes. Please let me know.

It turns out what I ordered was a 50-900MHz amplifier. Not a preamp. I'm not quite sure what the difference is. It is from Philips, is A/C powered, indoor only unit. Has 1 input and 2 outputs. I removed the passive 1-to-3 splitter from the attic, ran an extension cord and replaced it with this.

I have two HD receivers. An HP 42" plasma and an LG LST-3410A HD DVR. The LG doesn't show signal strength as a %, just with a bar and relavitve strength rating. The HP does show a % of signal.

In the old setup, the HP showed 100% for 5-1 and 34-1 but only 91% for 11-1. In the new setup, it shows 96% for 11-1 and still 100% for the others.

The best part for me is at the LG which is in my equpment rack. I only have a single coax cable there. I use the same antenna for FM reception. I tried to put a splitter at that location, but with the splitter in the attic, there was too much signal loss and the LG wouldn't receive anything. :( Now, with the new amplifier in the attic, I can put a splitter at my equipment rack and run to the LG, a VCR and the FM tuner. The LG still receives digital signals (the signal strength before and after with the new amp and extra splitter in place is about the same, perhaps even a bit higher) and the FM tuner works!

I listened to the replay of the LSO inaugural concert last night. It sounded wonderful, even for FM!

I'm sure there are better solutions, and I'm not sure about the 50-900Mhz rating, but it seems to work for me, so I'm sticking with it for now. I will still probably try a new UHF antenna, keeping my exisiting radio shack antenna for FM reception. But then I have to figure out a way to combine the signals from the two. Perhaps the CM7777 in the mix would still be OK. Any ideas? Or, if I'm going to go with the CM7777, should I return the amp I just got?

Hey Tim check this discussion maybe it will help~~.....http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/mboard/rc-sat/thread.cgi?2894

Hey Tim check this discussion it might help~~.....http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/mboard/rc-sat/thread.cgi?2894

Thanks, pt. Will do...

Hey Tim check this discussion maybe it will help~~.....http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/mboard/rc-sat/thread.cgi?2894

OK. I've read through the discussion. What should I have been looking for? :p Perhaps answering my questions about the separator/joiner? I'm not sure. No one has jumped up and said "Dude, you're doing this all wrong" so, I'll just truck along with the Phillips amp and see what happens. As long as I can get all the stations, I'm happy. ;) Now just have to wait until CBS and ABC go full strength next year!

I used to live in Lubbock and had Cox cable (and Suddenlink or whatever it is now). I'm just curious if they still use the moto 6412s and pioneer echo... I'm in Houston now with Comcast and severely miss echo. This SA stuff is terrible...

I used to live in Lubbock and had Cox cable (and Suddenlink or whatever it is now). I'm just curious if they still use the moto 6412s and pioneer echo... I'm in Houston now with Comcast and severely miss echo. This SA stuff is terrible...

I'm with Suddenlink and using their Moto DCT 6416 HD/dvr box. I've got no complaints about the box, only the service. Although I am thankful they've been carrying KLBK and KAMC while they try to get up to full power. As soon as that happens, cable's out and satellite is in!

I recently came across another thread here on AVS regarding HD progamming (http://http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=419472) for all carriers, satellite and cable. Both major satellite carriers are planning massive upgrades over the next few months, adding a large number of new channels. Suddenlink is showing nothing as being in the works. I tried emailing them about this but was refered to my local office and not given an answer. My question is this...why is cable so incapable of upgrading and adding more channels. They charge twice as much as satellite yet you get less. Half of their channels are still analog. Does anyone know anything about any upgrades in the works? Any news would be good news!

I woke up this morning to find a new HD channel waiting for me from Suddenlink. They've added FSN Southwest HD! The channel itself is offair but the designation is there and should be only a matter of time before it's up and running. It's still not the 100 HD channels that satellite is committed to but it still makes me feel good that they're trying.

keep in mind with FSN HD that it's not always on the air... in fact it's not on the air very much at all, only when there's a sporting event it's covering. most of the time it will be the good ol' color test bars :)

DishNetwork has FSN Southwest HD.

What channel on Suddenlink is FSN HD? I have a new channel 725, but it has no name or information and only shows the color bars, is that it?

OK guys opinion question.

I've been using NTS's fiber for video service and they've been promising HD, but have not delivered and I'm tired of waiting now that I've got two HDTVs. The question is DirecTV, DishNetwork, or SuddenLink (though I hate them with a passion)?

I just want basic cable with a good DVR and HD content. I know neither Dish nor Direc have any of the locals in HD, but I'm on 108th and Dixon so pulling in the locals OTA is no problem (well, except that some who will remain nameless still aren't HD!).

I'm leaning towards Dish mostly for the 722 and its ability to feed recorded video to other TVs in the house, but now that D* has so many HD channels its tempting...

OK guys opinion question.

I've been using NTS's fiber for video service and they've been promising HD, but have not delivered and I'm tired of waiting now that I've got two HDTVs. The question is DirecTV, DishNetwork, or SuddenLink (though I hate them with a passion)?

I just want basic cable with a good DVR and HD content. I know neither Dish nor Direc have any of the locals in HD, but I'm on 108th and Dixon so pulling in the locals OTA is no problem (well, except that some who will remain nameless still aren't HD!).

I'm leaning towards Dish mostly for the 722 and its ability to feed recorded video to other TVs in the house, but now that D* has so many HD channels its tempting...


Are there specific HD channels you want to receive? If it's only local channels, then put up an antenna and grab the local stations OTA. If there are other "premium" stations you want, list them, as that might make a difference on which service to subscribe to.

Are there specific HD channels you want to receive? If it's only local channels, then put up an antenna and grab the local stations OTA. If there are other "premium" stations you want, list them, as that might make a difference on which service to subscribe to.

Other than locals in the order that matters:
Discovery (all the flavors)
TLC
TNT
USA
History
TBS
FX

Don't have HBO, Showtime, etc and don't care. Also, no home phone line and no intent to get one just to make a Sat. company happy :D

OK, did anyone get a signal on 725 (FSN HD) today at all? I checked at 12:30 and just now (just got off the phone with Suddenlink) and nothing. Would've liked to have seen OU-Mizzou in HD.

MarkTTU if those chanels are important we have those channels on Direct tv with the exception of FX, but it is rumored to be added this next week.

adgreer, how is DirecTV on no phone line these days? I know when I used them several years ago I had to take the receiver (and borrow a dish on a pole mounted in a 5gal bucket of concrete from a buddy) up to my office so I could activate with a land-line phone...

Maybe fsn will pick up the tech -mizzou game this sat in hd. That would be awesome!

Other than locals in the order that matters:
Discovery (all the flavors)
TLC
TNT
USA
History
TBS
FX

Don't have HBO, Showtime, etc and don't care. Also, no home phone line and no intent to get one just to make a Sat. company happy :D

Just a little side note, all of the HD Discovery channels (with the exception of HD theater) and History channel are stretched out and not true HD. I've yet to catch a program on any of these channels that has impressed me. The same is true for TNT. While sometimes they do look good, most of their stuff is poorly upscaled or stretched. I can't speak for USA, TBS, or FX since I haven't personally seen these.

As much as I despise Suddenlink, they are carrying local HD feeds of both KAMC and KLBK while they are building up to full power.

The poor quality of some of these new HD channels is making me hold off on leaving Suddenlink just yet.

Just a little side note, all of the HD Discovery channels (with the exception of HD theater) and History channel are stretched out and not true HD. I've yet to catch a program on any of these channels that has impressed me. The same is true for TNT. While sometimes they do look good, most of their stuff is poorly upscaled or stretched. I can't speak for USA, TBS, or FX since I haven't personally seen these.

As much as I despise Suddenlink, they are carrying local HD feeds of both KAMC and KLBK while they are building up to full power.

The poor quality of some of these new HD channels is making me hold off on leaving Suddenlink just yet.

I haven't even priced Suddenlink or looked at what they have for a HD DVR, but just now I looked and they don't appear to have anything useful on their website. Any idea what Suddenlink runs for a HD DVR and a HD receiver (two HD TV's, only one needs a DVR unless the price diff is small, then I'd do DVRs on both)? The rest of the TVs can all be good 'ole analog far as I'm concerned.

They are a little pricey. I believe that I'm paying around 80 to 90 per month for my cable. I do subscribe to HBO, Starz, and some of their other premium services. I would guess that for what you need, you're looking at the 60 to 80 range. It would help if they had a better website. Maybe they're scared of running off new customers?

I don't have a phone line just a cell phone and there have never been any problems. As far as Direct tv goes I was concerned with leaving the comfort of cable but I am glad I did. I am not bashing cable it is all about preference. For me I am a huge sports fan. If there is a game on Direct tv will carry it. Big plus for me, and as for hd birdetime79 is right about alot of the new hd channels that have been added don't have alot of content on the but I suppose that will change. I think the most important thing is that Direct tv carries them. It is up to the providers now. The only hd channel I am missing by not having cable is Kamc (abc) since it is not OTA yet. Hasn't hurt me yet I guess we will see this weekend for the Tech vs Mizzou game. I don't know if it is hd though.

P.S. The new Mpeg4 hd channels PQ is amazing. Ex: TBS for Post Season baseball. Best Hd I have seen in along time sure looks like true hd to me!

Hey guys I live on Erskine and Milwalkee...(just past 4th for those that dont know). I want to get ABC soooo bad for the Tech game this weekend....I cant right now...can anyone else??

Hey guys I live on Erskine and Milwalkee...(just past 4th for those that dont know). I want to get ABC soooo bad for the Tech game this weekend....I cant right now...can anyone else??

if you mean ABC in HD, then I think only about 3 people in Lubbock can get it. :p Rumors are they'll go full power after the 1st of the year, but who knows and that doesn't help you for this weekend.

Hey guys I live on Erskine and Milwalkee...(just past 4th for those that dont know). I want to get ABC soooo bad for the Tech game this weekend....I cant right now...can anyone else??

It's also possible that ABC won't be broadcasting the game in HD. Not sure what their plans are.

**edit: My channel guide isn't showing the game as being broadcast in HD. You're not missing much. :)

You can currently only get KAMC-DT in HD over Suddenlink.

Kamc digital ota was more painfull than normal watching the red raiders against mizzou

KAMC's analog SD station has a better picture than the DT.

I used to live at 4th and itasca which is very close to 4th and erskine, in order to abc i had to have my antennae on the roof, it was a stealthmaster, then upgraded to a large channelmaster style that i got from rat shack, abc was always constant but cbs was impossible, what signal strengths are you getting? also just to let you guys now best buy is now starting to offer isf calibrations, they are $300 for any tv, and there is a demo set up that shows the difference, since it is in the store and can not show just how great it is because of the lighting. the tech will also be local so no travel charges.

I used to live at 4th and itasca which is very close to 4th and erskine, in order to abc i had to have my antennae on the roof, it was a stealthmaster, then upgraded to a large channelmaster style that i got from rat shack, abc was always constant but cbs was impossible, what signal strengths are you getting? also just to let you guys now best buy is now starting to offer isf calibrations, they are $300 for any tv, and there is a demo set up that shows the difference, since it is in the store and can not show just how great it is because of the lighting. the tech will also be local so no travel charges.

Is it $300 per TV or do they offer a discount for more than one? I have a 42" plasma and also a projector in the basement which could be calibrated.

Is it $300 per TV or do they offer a discount for more than one? I have a 42" plasma and also a projector in the basement which could be calibrated.FYI: I'm trying to get Chad B to come in February, during his next Texas tour. He may be more inclined to come to Lubbock if there are a handful of people wanting calibration. As of a few months ago, he said he would start scheduling in November-ish.

If you aren't familiar, you can check him out here: www.hdtvbychadb.com

He also posts here at AVSforum; his screen name is Chad B.

Sorry I have been out of town, on the discount for multiple sets I will check for you.

on discounts for isf calibration it is a case by case basis

any new info on abc hd ota?

Last word was maybe January.

Just saw a couple of news blurbs on both KAMC and KLBK showing the arrival of their new HD equipment. They said it would be operational (both stations HD and full power) after the first of the year.

Is it just me or was there no HD signal coming from our Fox affiliate last night? I just got a new Samsung and was all geared up to watch Bones and House in HD, but no joy.

Is it just me or was there no HD signal coming from our Fox affiliate last night? I just got a new Samsung and was all geared up to watch Bones and House in HD, but no joy.

Not just you. I, too, recorded Bones on FOX (34-1) last night. I did get a digital signal, but it was not hidef and it was broadcast 4:3. :mad:

OK, has anyone been getting an HD picture using antenna from Fox 34, 34-1, for the past 3-4 days? I'm getting a digital signal as I mentioned before, but the picture is 4:3 and definitely not hidef. For instance, the Green Bay game yesterday was definitely in 4:3 OTA, no? I'm just looking to confirm, because the people at the station say that nothing is wrong.

Should have been in HD. I will Check.

My investigation revealed that the Game and Prime did not switch to network correctly yesterday. That is the reason the game was in SD not HD. Sorry for the inconvience.

Thanks much for looking into this. I was really thinking I was doing something wrong, that I had changed some setting or something.

I haven't seen HD on 34-1 in over a week.

I am getting my HD channels from Suddenlink.....for some reason the LSU-Tenn game is only coming through SD 4:3, when I know for sure the game is being broadcast by CBS in HD...does anyone have the KLBK control room number?

Did CBS loose the toss for who gets HD equipment today - the LSU Tennessee game is in SD here. The TitanTVlisting for DFW shows it in HD there.